Breaking Bigfoot with Jesus Payan, Jr.

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1:38 I am good. That's awesome. Been looking forward to talking to you for quite a while, my friend. Thank you for coming on the show. I've heard that you've been into a lot of interesting things regarding your bigfoot research. But let's start right from the beginning. What was it that first got you into researching sasquatch or foot. Well, when I first started out, I was about four years old and my mom had a book called Arthur she It was Arthur she Clark's Book in the Serious World, and that was like the first time I ever saw anything that bigfoot related in there, and I saw the Luckiness Monster. I was going in England with my parents and we went to the Luckiness in Scotland and hunted mess.

2:23 You for two weeks on the rock and yeah, so it started early for me. And also it was like I was seeing UFOs already, you know, by that time, it's barely between four and five. And when I was seeing my first UFOs that I can remember about a little over hours drive for me was the Rendell Randallstrom forest incident front of you heard of that. It's like England's rather well exactly, there was a lot going on. And then when I came to the States anytime, and you known element Shu, we had have those scholastic little book sales. Anything that was you know, cryptid related or UFO or anything, I always would you try to get and then it didn't I would say, it didn't become actual research until after two thousand. Okay, so after two thousand, that's when I first got to experience it physically by being chased. Me and my friend were chased by what I believe was an adolescent sasquatch. Well for us, it looks like a six foot tall, you know, full grown, you know, scary thing, but six foot tall sasquatch is pretty short for especially a maw you know, in that world.

3:40 But yeah, that was my first taste of the unknown officially as in cryptid wise, So my folks we moved to Ridelso, New Mexico. My mom got a job at the forest apartment and my sister got a job at the local police department, and we moved into a cabin there. And on the first couple of days we were there, I got to hear a bigfoot screen called yodle, a long light pitch, almost like if you if you were going really fast down the road and you just like at least ninety there was no anything but hit and you just slamed on your brakes and just held onto your backs until you stopped. IT'SOK, a real long That's something I could describe, something like something's skiddy, but it was just way too long. And we're in the mountains and the little straight roads to do that. Everything in the four shut up. My mom was right there, my ball was right there, my center was right there, and it just got super duper quiet, you know. I was like, what the heck was I you know, And then it did it again, and my mom joked, so maybe it's bigfoot, and I was not. I think it is. I think it is. And I ran inside, jumped on the computer and looked up bigfoot audio calls, you know, recordings of sasquatch, and I found one that matched exactly what we just heard.

5:00 And then that was when it got really I guess addictive. And my mom working with the Force apartment, they would get reports from campers and some of their their control guys and rangers, but they couldn't do the investigating because it's not supposed to exist. But there are allowed to tell me about it. You know, they didn't say who reported, but they tell me the area was reported. And my sister would also get you know, big the police department get big foot reports and we're gonna have to go check them out because it's not supposed to exist. So I would end up learning all the different areas that they were at and start that's when I really started doing my research. I'd say two thousand and three issue or what i'd call research versus just thinking it's real cool and trying to beat up on anything that could I could find, because back then YouTube wasn't what YouTube is today. The Internet wasn't you know what it is today, and you know, unless you're uber rich in that that time went on in two thousand and three, So I'd say that's when I officially started doing actual research into it.

6:07 That is absolutely fascinating. What was your age at that time period in two thousand and three? In two thousand and three, I was thirty three. Okay, that's cool. So you're thirty three. Your mom was getting you the reports from the forestry department, your sister was giving you other stuff from the police department. Man, that sounds like an absolute dream and you're living your real life X files out there, but all. Big five, oh times three, Oh my goodness. What was the craziest thing that you saw come in through from your mom or your sister? I would say. Rancher called and he reported that his cattle were freaking out. His dog started freaking out, so he ran out to the field and he saw a sasquatch trying to steal a cow and it was grabbing it from behind. I'm guessinally you saw it and look kind of a kind of suspect her sus the way it was grabbing it. But it was just trying to, I guess, carry it off. But I grabbed it from behind, like I gues it was gonna do a heimlicunumber to the cow, and the cow was struggling and there was footprints left in the mud where the cow was moving forward a while the sasquatch is heels were digging in.

7:25 And at the time, you know, I hadn't done anything casting. I didn't have any casting stuff either, so I didn't even think about it. I was just like, oh wow, because I found out where it was, I went to go talk to the guy and yeah, there was traction and everything still, So to me, that one was the weirdness from my mom's from the forest apartment unofficially allegedly, and then from my sisters the police department reade up some downs. She got a phone call from a taxing woman from the reservation, and the lady was, you know, there was other phone calls and now I want too because she's standing in the middle of the street when move it said she wouldn't leave that spot until police came and picked her up because she was so scared.

8:06 And what happened was this is in the middle of the daytime, early afternoon. She was walking by the Walgreens and was walked the street that goes kind of behind it and downward, you know, down to the canyon, and there was two sasquatch digging through the trash cans, the big old you know, there's big trash cans of the flippy lids the sores have And we had just recently had major fires, so a lot of the sasquatch and other animals were coming into town for you and looking for pood because everything was burnt. So she got so freaked out and when they when she you know, she screamed, they looked up and walked right back into you know, towards the canyon in the forest. And that's when she started freaking out and people, yeah, all the cops. And then when she since she got there, she told her the same thing and told her that she's not moving from that spot unless she my sister gave her a ride anywhere. But there she was go anywhere like specificly, just I don't want to be anywhere near this spot.

9:09 Please just take me somewhere else, you know. So I thought that was out of the two, those are the most interesting from from a mom and my sister. Now, a very even more interesting occasion happened on the same area and muscalero'patri I was on the reservation hanging out with you know, some friends were having a little get together and this one lady comes up to me and she's, hey, they say that you're into the whole, you know, bigfoot sasquatch thing, the Harry Boys. And I was like, yeah, yeah, I kind of a She was with my neighbor. She was a single mom and she loves the story. She told me. Her neighbor, just a single mom with two kids. They were in their cabin and a female bigfoot in her they believe, with a male child, which was like fighting tall just you know, how to use the handle and a walk in her cabin and her and the kids ran into the room, locked the door, and the mother sasquatch in the child jasquatch, the juvenile rummaged through her kitchen in the fridge and we're eating stuff and just making a mess. And after about thirty minutes they had they finally had left and they came out of the room and the kitchen was all messed up, and she said, can you believe it? They left the door open.

10:27 Oh the you know, the cold air got out. She was more mad at their conditioning situation. Then there's two freaking SPT squats in your house. That's that's that checks out, though, you know, funny, wow, it sounds like there's quite a bit of activity in that area. Oh yeah, from through all my research that I figured out, I've been like kind of following their trail because, like I said, after two thousand and three later I ended up becoming a law enforcement investigator, bought the guard no parent detention for the retention officer, and worked as a you know, a hearing officer. And so I was able to now and like really improve my investigative skills and tracking skills, and took every opportunity that my mom's the Ports Department would give, you know, classes, any type you know of anything to do with animals and tracks and you know, the local fauna. Because of that, I was able to start really putting together where they travel and how far they travel. And I didn't realize that Sasquatch do go through deserts and they're able to run one hundred miles and not a problem for them to just go and they able to travel all the way to a different mountain range. Here looking there was about sixty miles in between our mountain ranges and White Tins missile range the Hollmon Air Force Base that leads all the way to a Passo Texas and what is Mexico. And I followed the trail because there were reports from the military guys doing their patrol at the missile range and

12:00 they report seeing sasquatch out there at night and one of them reported, you know, seeing one running with their hum V. They're driving that full full speed, you know, I think it was like forty five or fifty five or something, and it was keeping up. It was on all fours, just running with them. And then you go farther down the mountain range, which I believe the Oregon Mountains. Eventually they'll get to the border patrol area where the where the both border is and they have reports from the Border Club themselves at night ten using their flear you know, so you can see the heat signature, and they would occasionally see a sasquatch squatted inside a big bush waiting for legal immigrants. And there's been bodies found out there, you know, dismembered, but they say it's cartel.

12:49 We don't know. But I think it's really interesting that in that same area there's hills, there, mountains, smaller mountains that have tons of old mines, okay, old silver mines, and tigress minds and the local urban legend for a long time in that area was that there's a witch then there's in those those caves and you go up there, she'll she'll catch you and eat you. And the description of the witch is about an eight foot tall, hairy covered monster. Mmm wow horn. Yeah. I want to verify. I want to I guess just make sure I heard it right something you said a minute ago. So you're saying that there are actual reports you've taken from border patrol where Sasquatch is pretty much dispatching or believed to dispatch illegal immigrants as they cross the border.

13:44 My apastle my family I have. My uncle's was one of a sheriff in Pasto, Texas, and my other uncle is a police officer, and his son is a police officer. He's a detective there at the department now. And one of my other uncles was in the bar patrol. So I got to hear from you know them. And there's actually a video on YouTube with a border patrol agent telling the same story. It's on YouTube, like he's in uniform and everything. He's talking about them seeing big yeah, big poots out there. You know, that's absolutely fascinating. Do you get a lot of reports from that Holloman Air Force Base and the White Sands area.

14:27 Not really too like Bunches. The base has a lot of wear crap going on because of the missile range, Like do you remember that movie or or hero of the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Sure that happened here on that that missile range that it was based on that here. So there's there's more UFO reports here in that area of the of the base than Sasquatch, but they have been you know, multiple reports of of those weird things found out there. I think it's a big Sasquatch files or Bigfoot files with Lynn. Do you know her name? Lynn? Her name, Yeah, Yeah. She used to have the playlists of different reports and one of those like the reports from you know, wild Man from the eighteen hundreds and nineteen hundred reports, and then she had a section where it was military reports and in her in one of those videos, she also talks about Holloman Air Force Base talking about, you know, some of the reports that have been turned in from there. So I would say the more the most reports out here is normally UFOs and closer to the reservation, it's more common to hear about the Bigfoot situation. It's occasional in real big for society.

15:51 Who will be right back after these messages? Also, which is everything from where I'm sitting right now in this moment, everything I'm talking about is pretty much within an hour at most. Well, I do the majority of my research, which I do it everywhere now, but the majority of my research I live at the base of the mountain here and it's in Cloud Cropt, New Mexico, and it's about fifteen to twenty minute drive from my location, so it's a right right here. And yeah, it's spicking that people are coming out more and more willing to talk about this because it's become mainstream, you know, the sasquatch deal, because of the Internet. But yeah, it's trip.

16:47 It really, it really is. It's I mean, I've only been in this for about five years, and I can even see a difference over the last five years. It just continues to become more and more mainstream. The focus of the interview is definitely going to be on Bigfoot. But I am going to ask a question just because if I don't, my listeners would be like, why didn't you ask a question? So but we'll twist it, you see. So you're you're greatly known for playing a role in the show Breaking Bad. Correct, Yes, yes, sir. So during the filming of that show, did the topic of Bigfoot ever come up? Yes, out of the stories you can share.

17:32 Well, the when you're in between scenes, sometimes there's an hour in between or or less or more depending on how technical the scene is, and they have to reset you know, everything, explosions or gunshots or whatever. So I would always be bored as hell and I'm curious, and i'd go, you know, talk to the other you know, actors and be gay man believe in Bigfoot, you know what I mean. And they'd be like, no, do you, and I'm like and then I would tell him, you know, experiences that I've had. So the one person that showed the most interest in it was R. J. Mittie. He plays Walt Junior. I'm Breaking Bad and yeah, I ended up me and him ended up being roommates and living in La together. So she was the most interesting, you know in big Foot. And I wanted to hear everything I had to talk about it and wanted to plan a hunt. And then his mom said no, that that would not be good for his career. And then yeah, I got offered two different TV shows. Do you remember the TV show Sons of Anarchy? Sure, yep, yeah, okay.

18:47 There was a girl and an actress named Kristin Renton. She was the two main characters, their brothers, and one was named Toby and he had like a long beard. His wife on the show girlfriend, pretty girl. They were going to do a big foot hunting show with me and her because it became so they heard so much about you know, me and being connected with that stuff, and they thought to me, but it didn't work out. She ended up doing some other project and that never happened. Then I got offered another show that I was going to be doing it with Megan Fox and me, and it was gonna be us doing investigations around the world of all the weird stuff, you know, not just big foot, not just pupil, not just go She did not even a litt bit of everything and where it was all ready to go. And then Victoria's secret offered her, Oh, I was like quarter million dollars to go do a runway tour with them or something, and it paid price as much as that they were offered her to do the show. So she went with the Victoria's Secret Team and then met her new husband that you know today.

19:59 But she done. Kelly, Kelly, what could have been? That would have been a very interesting show. And I mean, who knows, you may even get something offered in the future. I mean you get right. Yeah, well I had just got married, so that didn't work out too well. My wife was like no, no, she was like, no other come on, you know. So yeah, it was like the producers wouldn't mean and the Christien from the sense of anarchy to spend two weeks in the forest, no cameras, no nobody else, just meanto her, and they wanted me to teach her for two weeks every single thing possibly I knew about hunting and Ta squad, you know, so for the show and that was just did knocked out. You know.

20:49 No, no, that that would have not made it better. I'm the professor, I'm the professional. I mean I'm not I'm not a dog, and I think I don't blame any that would be mentioned. But doing that, they'd be like, no, sorry, buddy. You know if that had happened that two week period, what kind of things would have you had brought up during that time. Well, first thing I would show her is how to recognize an area that has sasquatching it more than likely. That's how I try. I don't just go to random spots first, of course, I'll, i'll, you know, look up the areas where there's in reports. But I only go in certain areas that I see the telltale signs of sasquatch, which is their feelings there. They're wooden hieroglyphs. You know pretty much that they're used to talk to each other.

21:44 They're not for us humans to know. We're not supposed to know, you know, exactly what's going on with it, So you know, that would be the first thing to show that if you see these specific things like is that a tree lane, the giant xes trees that are sticking in the ground up down, things that humans can't do without a major tractor or say a crane, And if you know you're like, okay, well somebody came in here with a tractor or a crane. They could have moved these things. Then like, you know, I would tell her, Okay, if that's the case, then where did it have to go through to get to that spot? And if those trees are knocked down for it to go through there, then probably wasn't one of those things. Anything that you see that's odd in the forest. You got to ask yourself first can a human do it? And if a human could possibly pull it off, then you got to ask yourself why, why would they do that? And how far are you into the mountains? Like would somebody go, Man, it would be so funny. I'm gonna make a wood structure and hopefully in the next like ten years, somebody accidentally walk on to it and it gets up big.

22:55 But you know, it's like okay, like if you ever lifted wood, if you're out there or then they wood chopping a log that's long, it's longer than four feet and an inches thick. They get pretty heavy, you know. So when you're dealing with giant tepees forty ft fifty foot teepees and these logs, you go there and you got to look and see did this just fall over? Is it snowfall? You know? Is it a dying tree? Is it a disease tree? If the root did not come out of where it's at, it was brought there, And if it was brought there, could a human have done it? And if a human couldn't have done it, which animal in that force could have done it? I mean, you can't figure out all the noose species and that force that possibly, somehow strangely could pull it off, which usually isn't the case. Then you then you fall into it might have been a bigfoot. Does it fall into the normal quote unquote normal huge structure situations that are commonly found in bigfoot areas, Then you can say, hey, I think it's a bigfoot. And then from there that's when you go deeper into looking for tracks for you know, seats where they'll sit, you know, and eat, upping on us from the pine cones, and watching certain areas, stuff like that, little things like that to look out for and to always I would tell her not to throw out the baby with the backwater, because a lot of

24:29 bigfoot researchers do this. They'll see smaller things, small structures or something, and they'll just automatically like, yeah, no, it's too that's two way too low. It was a deer. A deer broke that branch. A deer did this. It was a deer. You can't throw away what you're finding because they have children. And how do we teach our children to do what we want them to do. We show them and they copy us. So if I'm a big old sasquatch and I'm making a big old you know tepe or say like a wigwam a little shelter, or doing the grid patterns with the wood on the you know, making these weird, strange grids with the fallen trees, and then you're finding the little versions of them, more than likely it's either a juvenile or one of the little sasquatches. The little feet, the sasquatches, what they're tying, they're like the wars. Yeah, there's so much to I would have the future, but I'd have two full weeks to go through it all, and that would have been enough.

25:31 Have you gotten to the point where you are you know exactly what bigfoot is or you've made the decision in your mind, Okay, this is what bigfoot is, this is what it's all about. Yeah, well, one, without a question, that's Real's what's real. Two, I believe it's a human. I don't think it's local fauna or just a big just a gorilla or azi. Not that they're stupid or anything, but it's just it's not just an animal. It's actually it's a human, and it's just a really hairy, large one that can now do everything we can do easily and survive, you know, way easier. But I really do believe that the Sasquatch were the first version of humans and at some point they got well, if you study you know, ancient history and the Sumerians and all the different Native American stories of the first ones that were here were mischievous, they were too big, they're too strong, they didn't want to listen.

26:36 They were causing tons of problems, and call them gods, call them presidents, call them whoever was in charge got pissed off in pretty much kind of like banned them from interacting with us, and they were sent all to the depths of the forest around the world. They were toming, going amongst the men again. And we're getting now people are finding a bunch of big, giant, hairy dudes in these forests. But it's way more complicated than that. I think it's not just you know, really comminents that have survived from you know, way back when, because there's reports of them being with aliens or grays or retillions, whatever you want to call them. Demons all the same little word guys in the big heads and the big you know those big almond shaped eyes. Some are green, some are gray, some are white, some are dark brown, some but they've been seen with them. UFO reports are often followed a big foot siding or orbs glowing. Then you've got the people that say, you know, they can jump into different dimensions. I think that they're like humans in the sense that some are wild, inbred and just kind of like Neanderthal man, but way way more primitive primitive.

27:59 And then I think there's some that are like us in the hippy sense, make love, not war. We love you, we care about humans, They try to protect us. There's the stories that where you find, you know, here little kids or somebody was saved by one. And then there's the ones that hate us with a passion, that'll eat us out of anger, not because they're hungry. And then, like I said, this goes on the ones that I'm guessing our military has that they're messing with. Like I said, there's so much to them that it's not I can't just stick them in one little section. But for sure they are real and some sort of human because you know, we worked on the DNA of Sasquatch with the other project, it's half human period. The other half we're not the military knows, but the mother the mate Hundri DNA was a human mother first one when they were first made, which goes to the story with the Samarians of when they created man and the first one was covering hair they made. It was artifics on the nation and they're combined with a human mother. And uh commented from where they were occupying, apparently in local commented, Yeah, for slave slavery minions.

29:27 Some really fascinating stuff. And the thing I love about the topic is that there's literally something for everyone in the field of big foot. I think people that aren't in the field of big foot they're like, Oh, it's just it's just whatever. But when you start looking into it, you're like, oh, there's so many different ways I could look into this big for society. Who will be right back after these messages Now you kind of mentioned military stuff for a bit, and I'm curious what your your thoughts are on this. Do you think you know how right now we're kind of living through a UFO disclosure.

30:20 It's starting, it's it's happening for the last few years, and now it's it's becoming more and more even as we're talking. Do you think maybe we will sometimes maybe we'll we'll live through that with with Bigfoot or Sasquatch, I. Would say not by then telling us if it does happen, it'll be because they can't control a situation with them. The only way I would see it coming out because it's way too useful as an asset to the military versus you know, like the U of faulting, the ufoilting can't really touch it's not in our backyard. It's very very elusive, you know, beyond you know, looking in the forest, and of course they have a lot of technology themselves.

31:12 They're using UFO wise that they can get away and say, oh it's aliens, you know. But with the sasquatching, I think they're more interested in the whole DNA aspect of it and using it for some type of not cool things. You know. Yeah, no, because you know you'll hear some say there's no evidence, the resvery pictures, right, but if you actually do the research and take the time to do the research, there is more than enough evidence times ten, you know, times twenty square to the root of you know what I mean. We got we got footprints with dermal ridges that are not human there. The dermal ridges run the same direction as the great apes, you know, like gorillas and champs. We got video, We've got pictures.

32:01 We've got good pictures, and everybody complains about there's no clear pictures. Well, we got clear pictures and then said it's a fake because it can't be real. They're too good, you know what I mean. So, like a lot of people out there that you know, are gonna hear I'm gonna say that that that word odd candy, don't don't. Yeah, it's cool. That, Like this is a lot of people. I know, there's there's people all over the world there just going click on this right now. It's like it's it's fine. I want you all, y'all just listen now. I'll give you all some good reasons to keep on listening. All right.

32:42 So I think there's two reasons. A lot of people don't like Todd sitting there. That's a huge problem in the Bigfoot world and every other cryptid and paranormal group out there. Oh, it's so there's so much drama, silly drama. Everybody judges everybody by their personality, not all their evidence, but by their personality, and if they like them on it outstanding. Okay, he's abrasive. I mean, know you respect you to talk. I know you're passionate and you're doing what you're doing. But a lot of people don't like how passionate he is. You know, when he was out hunting with Jeff Meldrum, you know Jeff, Doctor Jeff said, you know, he's a little he's just really a little overly passionate, you could say. And it is like, look, it's obviously big quid. Look at talks a bit quod, which because he's seeing it out there, it's obvious to him.

33:39 But doctor Jeff, he isn't ready to just declare stuff, you know what I mean. He works out of university. Still, he's got to worry about that stuff. But so I listened to everybody's complaints about Todd standing and their complaints. The biggest one they said it's fake. And I asked him, why do you think it's fake? They'll tell me, oh, there's there's footage of of him faking it, Like, really show it to me. Okay, let's throw that out the water, saying nobody's been able to show me the footage that proves that he's fake. You know the other the next answer is, oh, his sister in law works in the movie industry as a makeup artist, so it was made by her. She made you know the mask they put on Todd, Right, And then it's it's outstanding himself or pretending to be a big foot and taking pictures of himself. Well, luckily, I'm a professional, and I've been in the movie industry for going on twenty years now, and I know special effects.

34:42 I went to call the Mitology for makeup a long time ago. There's those are two different departments. The makeup lady she dust her forehead in your nose so it's not too shiny for the camera, show glue on, maybe a fake mustache, or go to year, put on awig on you. She's not a creature creator. She they don't make animatronics, they don't make masks. You need special effects people to do that. It's not cheap whatsoever, okay to do that. He does not scream wealthy to me. Just that's just personal my own opinion to where he would be wasting the money to do that on what it would cost. Do you remember the movie of the Dark Crystal.

35:33 Sure, yeah, classic Jim Henson movie. Right exactly. So I'm friends with a guy that worked with Jim Henson on that movie, Michael McCormick. Okay, he is a puppeteer, you know, for Jim Henson and helps you know, build those type of things, and for that movie, they need a little bit of everything. Something are animatronics, some things are people in suits, some things are puppets. You know that in that movie. So I asked too, I said, yeah, said Michael, do me a favor. I'm gonna send you some images on a video. I need to know something. Is it a mask, is it a puppet or is it animatronic or do you think it's an animal? That's all I want to know. And if you think it's animatronic or a puppet or a mask, what kind of budget would I mean to pull that off? Okay? Now, one of the images of the Sasquatch, it's next to a tree which has certain size of needles, you know, the leaves, and with their needles of a specific type of evergreen, you can literally figure out the size of the head of that whatever it is by measuring those needles next to its head, which it shows when you do that that it's a giant freaking head. It's you know, it was like I said, it's huge, and so Michael said,

37:05 it's not a puppet for sure, it's not a mask. And if it's animatronic, which he doesn't think it was, for that size of a head with movable blinking eyes, and that's large, and you have to have a whole team to run it. If you've ever seen that type of stuff actually done in Hollywood, you literally have five to ten people all working different parts of that animal, fake animal, whatever you want to call it, animatronic contings to make it all work together to be believable for an audience. And you're looking at a million dollars to build something like that and have a whole team to do that. You know, So there's a bunch of stuff points to me that no, it's it's not fake. Sure, he may be a brace if he may be you know, considered a jerk or whatever, but it's or sister in law whatever. Makeup people don't do that kind of stuff.

38:07 And if she was doing that kind of stuff, it would be an IMDb with all her credits as a special effects artist in creating creature cool stuff, you know what I mean, because that's animatronic and fake or puppets. She needs an award. She needs to be working in Hollywood way more than she is, instead of putting on a lipstick and eyeshadow on people and dying gray hair is black, you know what I mean. That's the only reason why I think. And I also I measured the picture. There was a look you're thought standing under her mask. If you measure the eye of that sasquatch, the main one that he shows, you know, and you check the distance between the eyes. I went to our college. I went a commercial art college. I know anat I mean, I know the humans have one eye in between the eyes.

38:58 We have the size of your left eye in the same size as you're right. I unless you've got you know, you're born to you know, mouth warmed, it's one eye in between. If you measure the one you know, the eye on that you know alleged sasquatch, it's three of its eyes in between the two eye, which is physically impossable for a human unless you've got like elephant man syndrome or something. You know what I mean. So I don't care if what people are jerks. There's a lot of people in the big Foo community that I can't stand. Me just want to be like smack them just so hard. But that does not have anything to do with real evidence, any type of evidence. And we are dying for real evidence, and we're gonna throw it out. Some of the best visual photography ever of Sasquatch, well outside of you know, government sources. I would try a little harder to screw iognize it a little bit better than just doing a gift image overlay and saying that his pistroom law made it.

40:09 You know what I mean, that's all the evidence you got. Come on, guys, we're going backwards. We're going backwards when we should that should be like, you know, cares if he's a weirdo or whatever we want to call him whatever, you know. It's like it's like imagine people getting pissed off at doctor J. F. Meldrum because his beard. Well I don't like his task watch theories and his work on feet because you got stupid better. It's like, come on, guys, really, you guys are killing me, dude. That's the thing. I like the mustache better. A little bit, you know, mustache made. I say, definitely, uh, Todd.

40:50 This Todd standing discussion is such an interesting discussion. I will tell you this. I did interview a gentleman who had a wild encounter outside of Oakridge or again, and the way he was very hesitant to describe the face of it, and he was like, I know I'm going to get I'm gonna get crud for this. But I will tell you that what Todd's standing captured in that photo is what I saw that day. And I know a lot of people after I say this will not pretty much not take my encounter seriously because there's just so many, so many people. Yeah, it's it's weird that it's such an interesting topic. But I've never talked to Todd personally, but it's such a weird how it's it's such a polarizing conversation, right.

41:40 Right, you've heard of doctor bend Nabel. Yeah, yeah, okay, A lot of people love that guy. A lot of people love his research. Right, So that's all open with I love to do this because it's so funny. I'll tell you that you heard a Dougler benber Nabel do oh, I love that old man rest is soul and you know are at oh man, he was the reird deal right. Well, you know he went out with Todd Standing and if Todd showed him videos that he had to fill anybody else of says assquatches and doctor Benderangel said it's real, but he has it's not fake in his own professional opinion, Outstanding is not making it up. So are you saying that you think doctor Bender dangles are fake too? Or is he just a whole stupid old man that you guys don't trust, or are you gonna trust the thirty plus years of his work knowing this creature and deciding for himself while he was up there actually with Todd going to the areas and seeing all the footage that he had, is he's scared to show more people because everybody's all, yeah, it's fake, you know what I mean?

42:58 Right a lot. Yeah, it's a very interesting conversation, especially tough when some of the parties involved are no longer with us, so you can't ask them. You know, Well he's going video saying it. That's the thing, right, you're literally on here, Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. So it's like, right, like my issue is I don't care what other people think. A lot of people have gone out with me hunting, or they've invited me to go with them, and for whatever reason, I'm a weird magnet, okay. And I get interaction a lot, especially at nighttime with all these people that I've gone with and people that they don't like me, and they get mad because they've had nothing going on, and I go with them, and then all of a sudden there's action whatever you want to call it. So a lot of people they can't they can't say, oh, you're making new dope because that happened when I was with him. I've got pictures of freaking bigfoots looking at my tent.

44:04 I've seen the two of them, Yeah. Yeah, and a friend, the funny looking green guy, you know. And I've got more, but does nobody has? Not too many people I've really seen more recent because that the original the tent thing was in twenty seventeen, but this was it last year. Yeah. I got my new phone. It's you know, the Android Ultra thirteen twenty four or whatever, super Zoom night pain shot phone. That's way too much. I'm still ain't on it type of phone. And I was I took my parents out camrapy me hadn't been camping together in years, and we went to an area where there was reports, you know, the campers saying that somebody was throwing rocks in their tanner, you know, the usual, you know, silliness and the big foots like new But I was like, I'm not hunting, I swear, let's just have enjoyed ourselves. And yeah, eventually started hearing a weird crap and I was like, well, now we'll good time to try out this night night shot that it has but doesn't night vision or anything like that. It's just it's a five seconds delay, and I get it takes in all the light possible. If there's absolutely no light, it don't work. At least some kind of light source, even in a small, small fire in the count does amazing.

45:23 And I brightened them up and sure enough I have it looks like a juvenile sasquattion from a branch. You know, do you remember those those red little monkeys in a barrow that you hang with each other. Yeah, doesn't that closes exactly? Okay, hanging down off the branch. And then but this is the wildest night because I experienced a whole bunch of different stuff, not a biquit stuff. Big for a society will be right back after these messages.

46:09 Okay for years and years, And this was the first time though that I ever got in a picture. What I believe is the werewolf, wolfman, dog man, whatever they want to call him. They're going the same night a wolf person, dude, just mean a big foot with his eyes blowing, and on the right side of bigfoot a gray So, like, what's going on? You know what I mean? How can I categorize that? You know, It's like I already had in twenty seventeen showing two sasquatch with green gray whatever you want to call him, a rectilian, red eyes, green skiing. I don't know. I don't know. And I've been blessing because of my movie career in being a semi I celebrity, a lot of different researchers. They want to meet me, they want to talk to them, they want to invite me out, you know, when they were hunting and stuff, and they opened a bunch of doors to being involved with from serious you know, you know, cool floods of researchers. And we're working with j Goodall and you know, on the Falcon project before the Tell Apart you know project, you know, yeah, you know, I work with Jeff Meldrum, working in other anthropologists, how do anthropologies, you know, heads of different universities coming to me asking me questions about it and say, that's wild, that's pretty wild stuff, you know. And I've seen him myself. I

47:42 know it's real. I videotaped different not great footage, you know, nothing amazing, But it was this asquatch. I was the one that saw it. We're driving home, you know, on the reservation about reservation. The couple that I was giving to ride to Walmart to get some food. The wife she's we're talking, we're talking about bigfoot, and she's like, hey, look there's one right there. And I was like what. We turned to the right and sure enough there's a big but just walking down the irrigation show. We were jumped out and filmed it, you know. But yeah, there's too much evidence that I've gotten and I'm Albert. Anybody scrutinizing my stuff, I don't mind telling the truth. I don't care at all. I ain't worried and scared about nothing.

48:24 Already a public figure, people ask me I'm worried about it destroying my career, and I'm like, what, what are they going to destroy it? But they're not gonna want me to play a drug dealer. They won't let me play a murder carrying bodies in the desert. Oh no, not the scary guy. Come on whatever, man. The one reason I'd gott into Hollywood is because I had to pay bills. I found out I had a daughter, and I was like, I need to do something that's gonna make you money. I don't have the money to go to twelve years of school for a lawyer or doctor. You know, I need. I need to get into a bo Look, I know I can make a good a good amount of money to take care of my parents and the kids. And yeah, that's how I got in that because I knew I was so stereotyped by society, because I'm a big, giant Mexican, you know what I mean. Ball, I haded, got tattoos, I teared drives a whole you know, gambit, And yeah, I've been screwed with. I faced tons of years in prison on false charges, never been convicted of the family once, but I faced on many years. I'm stupid crap because I matched such a screw shit, you know.

49:32 And so I was like, well, man, Hollywood, shold need it up. They only got normal sized Mexicans, you know what I mean. I'm a giant one in the realm of normal sized Mexicans. You know, six for three is huge. But yeah, so that's how you know. I wasn't my dream to be an actor. I wasn't like, you know, taking acting classes. Oh I wish, No, I was. I was. I went to my first call as an extra on a Steven Sagam movie and I was the only giant Mexican when he was supposed to be in the East La beating up his mess Can gang. But they were normal size, so look like kids beating up little kids. He's six foot five, you know. And I was already a bodyguard, professional fighter, law enforcement and all that stuff. And I was like, yeah, dude, I'm down to fight him, you know. And they're like, okay, come on, come meet him.

50:15 And we met. He tried me out, you know, for my actuting skills, you know, just some improv and he liked it. It was good enough for his movie, and he said, I want you to meet me at my Hotel tonight so we can fight. They wouldn't just see what I could do. So I was like, hell, yeah, I don't care anybody says about sumusical things. Oh he's a fake co marcial artists. No, he's a six foot five giant that is very strong. Don't care how chubby he is or not. But he is the only Caucasian man ever given a permission by the Accusa in Japan to Ticha Chito as a master martial arts. Can't do that, you know what I mean. Well, yeah, so that's how I got into Hollywood. Like that. I became just a bad guy to fight and get shot and carry people.

51:10 But yeah, so I don't I'm not concerned about that because this is all the big Foot stuff, the UFO stuff, the ghost stuff, all the weird stuff that I experience and you know, share with everybody that was happening before any. Job I had exactly. It's, you know, such an interesting path that you've gone down. It's really cool. There's a few things I want to circle back around real quick to make sure that they don't disappear. So that picture that you took just last year where it is like the Bigfoot, the alien and the dog man type creature. Is that it sounds like that's just that's not a public thing at all. Not Unfortunately, I haven't cut up the video yet. Are you able to receive a picture you're we're on the phone or.

51:55 I mean you can my email. I have an email you could send it to, yeah for society at gmail dot com. So okay, okay, yeah, I'll send you those pictures and you can trip out of them. You know. That's again. I'll show everybody because I do enhance images. I do. I'll tell them, but I will let every you know exactly what free app I'm using on my phone, the process in the original picture. I am happy to show them all that. So I and all my videos on my channel, on my YouTube channel, I do that because I don't want people doing here look at it. It's obviously been missed with it. It's like, yes, yes, it has been brightened, it has been sharpened. I have at a slight contrast. I have, you know, just to the ambience, so you guys can see better. I know it's there, but not everybody you can see what I'm seeing right now, so I need to bring it out a little bit better.

52:51 So you can see because like, like I'll send you some of the like the original shots before brightening and stuff like the two bigfoots in my hand look in the tent. Some people haven't seen. I don't just have those couple of pictures of them looking in the tent. I've got to where they were freaking out. The guy that I was with, he was about to, you know, like on the verge of the official panic attack. I shine the flashlight in their face and you can see one of the sasquats grimace in there. That's right, you know what I mean. If it was a mask, how the hell did it do that? How can you grim? You know what I mean? And then like you've heard a thinker thunker. He's great, Okay, it's a good friend of mine. Yeah, And I think he's gotten too concerned with people what they say, and he's always trying to prove to them, and he's having like the legs videos, they're like more about that than just the research anymore.

53:58 I hope he works that out and stops keeping the crap up. People say, just that's what he does, because I love I love what he does, you know. But he came out with a way to measure the faces of sasquatch and their arms and legsies mainly you know, started with But yeah, when you measure the face of the majority of actual possible Sasquatch images, they're they're not human proportions, you know, for normally, unless of course, there's you know, they're born with, you know, mouth formed. Like if you get your finger right now, you put it under your nose, the top of it should touch your nose, in the bottom of your finger should touch your upper lip, or at least quotes sasquatch, not all of them, but I'll say the majority from what we're seeing, you put you hit two fingers, not one, but two. Naturally their mouth begins under that part. When he came out with that, it was after for my incident in twenty seventeen with those images. I used his in anything he does for the face measurements, be fit be fit. Wow, How would I know in advance that he was going to invent that thing by scrutinizing all these different images and videos?

55:17 How would I know that three years earlier? Yeah, you know what I mean exactly. I can't wait too to see those What was it that you did with Jane Goodall. Well she was on the Falcon Project. Oh right, yeah, and she and she was going to be part of the Geno project too. Can you explain real quick with the A lot of people are not going to know what the Falcon Project is, I think. Okay, So, once upon a time, a long long time ago, right, there was a guy named William Barnes. He was always cool to me. I'm sorry everything went crappy with it, you know, with the situation, because she meant well he got dealt to hard hand. But the Falcon Project was a they're going to send up an airship drone, but not the typical journal just you know, the propellers. But it was going to look like actual blank panda, and they're going to send it up up way high, and it'd have all the different abilities of you know, lighter and I don't know about lighter, but you know, night vision, sheet sensing, you know, all that fun stuff. And they're going to have send it over areas so bigical we wouldn't know that they were passing by watching what's down there.

56:30 And they had multiple individuals that were going to be on the ground. I was one of those individuals that was going to be there for six months in the forest. Yeah, living there and doing all the research with you know, several other people that have been chosen. And then you had the anthropologists that we're going to be. You know, we'd report to all our information and what we're getting, you know, the evidences of But unfortunately it holds all the funding and people showed up to the locations and there was no one there because nobody had told them that that had happened, unfortunately. And luckily somebody reached out to me before I headed out and said, hey, dude, don't come, it's not happening. It pulled the plug, you know.

57:19 But it was a really huge thing that was going on. It was there was lots of excitement for it. I was excited for it. I was looking forward to just being stuck in the forest for six months just you know, I love that kind of stuff, you know. But yeah, so it fell apart, and then later came the genome project. There was one hundred she study. We're working with Oxford University on the DNA the sasquatch, and there was one hundred samples given. And then everybody started attacking up the kitchen because she's started telling other stuff beyond her work as a DNA expert, and people once the game are judging people on their personality or they don't like them, not on their actual physical evidence or you know, visual evidence that they put forth.

58:16 There is a lot of jealousy in the field as well. Oh yeah that I've seen that in the last five years destroy relationships that should have lasted for decades. Yeah, that's that's all I'll say about that. But it's it's it can be. Yeah, just guys, don't don't get. In every every It's in everything. It is in film, regular jobs. You know, changes in that where you are. Humans are just oh they can be so stupid sometimes, you know what I mean. It just it's it's the same everywhere. It doesn't matter because I'm involved with so many different types of the paranormal and I've been, you know, an expert for the UFO TV shows. I dealt with you know, ichnology, ghost I'm a pastor. I've done Clinton and Houses. I deal with my own issues with ghost systems.

59:08 I have seen UFOs, I've seen the little gray guys. I've seen so much. It's just the bigfoot thing is what people find most interesting. I guess that I get requested to talk about most sure, you know, And yeah, that's why I don't care. It's like, y'all can hate me all you want. This is my normal life. I can't turn it off. I'm just sharing with you guys what what I'm experiencing with and what I believe is going on. I am not here to prove anything to anybody. I'm just here to share what I'm finding out and experiencing. Have you done any research or any expeditions outside of the Southwest.

59:54 I've done Texas, Arizona and New Mexico, California, Washington, Oregon, Oklahoma. I've got plans already set up for Florida and upstate New York. My research and I study. I study every continent in the United States of all possible sasquatch related information. Big for society will be right back after these messages.

1:00:38 Mm hmmmm. Where did you go to in Oklahoma? The commentary reservation out there? Okay? Yeah, what's it called the the Anobia or Anobi or Noba. You went, yeah, yeah, yeah, so that that kind of that area, you know what I mean? And yeah, the big foots out there are mean, that's it's a trip man, because, like I said, there's so many different kinds you know that are out there. You heard the three of the two be Brothers. You know that whole Sasquads massacre war between something natives in the cavalry in the big foods.

1:01:24 That's some wild still. You know, the whole Nabi incident. That's a wild still. But like over here, you never hear the violent stuff. There's people that have gone missing, I'm sure, but you never hear in this area of violent attacks or cannibalism. In Florida, it seems like they have more of the more animalistic ape activity versus the much smaller too. But there is giant ones out there, but the ones that were mostly reported are you know, sixty seventeet at most. You know, we here the biggest one. We worked with jac Johnson. Again, I got pictures of that.

1:02:08 It's like, at least I know this song is ridiculous, but the picture of the Sasquatch that I'm talking about is between twenty and twenty five feet tall. Wow, I mean I've heard of them that that big as a gentleman two gentlemen up in Oregon. Well, I don't know that was track size. I'm sorry twenty three in track size. That what you said. Yeah, Like Alaska, Canada up there, that's where you hear about the big ones, but here in New Mexico that's unheard of. The only reason why I say it's that big is because the picture that we have of the Saasquatch, it's sitting on its butt. Okay, it's sitting on the ground and its legs you're kind of cross sort of, and it's sitting in the area where these they're called the juniper trees. You know, they're the evergreen type juniper trees. The tallest ones grow to about twelve feet. The average is between ten and eleven feet of these trees. Because it's like if you ever approach a mountain or a forest between the flatlands and the main forest, you usually have halfway sized trees not to get to the actual fort to get the big boys, right, So that's the same situation here. So these trees that it's sitting next to, okay, fully glown trees. I'm up to its chest, the lower part of its chest, and it's sitting down. I know that these are the trees

1:03:39 in the side of the tree because my mom was to the forest apartment, and I went there and showed them the picture. I was like, don't worry about whatever that is, but what kind of trees are those? They're where is it at? I was like Madrid area. You're like, well, those are gulber trees. You're like, well, how big do they grow? They're like, what is that? I don't worry about that. I'm just worrying asking the trees. You know. It's funny. Yeah, when you're in Oklahoma, in Honab, did you have any interesting things happen out there? Honestly I didn't. Just stories people saying, you know, okay, yeah, so I had I needed more time there, That's the thing.

1:04:23 I was only there for you know, a weeks maybe and to get you know, I didn't. I was doing more because you know, you sort of a bottle the reservations and you know, doing ow wow and spending time with family and stuff. So I was there. I wasn't there for Bigfoot. I was there to spend time with the command ches and I join and singing with them. So yeah, just it's like I said, it's just part of my life. Honestly. Now it's so strange. I want to there's this Bigfoot quote unquote museum up here where I live that opened up, and they did it for money. They didn't you know the big Foot there, you know what I mean. So they're already putting it for sell and I'm hoping to be able to buy it and do it right, you know, really cool. Yeah, it'd be fun.

1:05:12 And the connections you have, you'd be able to really set that up good. I mean, I tell so cool. Cool Jesus, This has been a really fun chat. Thank you so much for coming on the show. As we start to wind down, this is you know, a few few ending questions. Did you have any final thoughts or or how people can keep up to date with with all these different things you've got going on. If you go on YouTube and you type in the search section, you can type in Breaking Discoveries. That's the name of my channel, and Breaking Bigfoot is the series on my channel because I do other things too, but the majority of stuff is big for related, but that's Breaking Bigfoot. So you can pipe in your one Breaking Discoveries or Breaking Bigfoot. Then we'll see a picture of a sasquatch with my face on it, and you'll see the majority of everything I talked about tonight on on that channel. That's what I'd say. That'd be the most direct source. I don't I have like ninety videos or something.

1:06:17 I only make a video when I have new evidence. If I don't have new evidence, and it takes a year, and we'll see a video for a year. You know, I see a case, it's so interesting. I got to do a breakdown myself. But yeah, Breaking Discoveries is the YouTube channel, the Breaking Big for threies. It's there. If you want to hear the podcasts that I've done, not all of them, but a lot of them, just go to my playlists and you'll see the podcast interviews, some of the interviewser for my movie stuff. There's another playlist called the Prenmum through sixty that's one of my UFO videos that I've filmed, and stuff like that. But yeah, if you just want to learn about me, go on Google or whatever search engine you're using and type in Jesus Ion Junior Actor or just Jesus Junior Actor, Breaking Dad's Gonzo. Any of those things will bring up the ridiculous amount of stuff that I do, And yeah, it's it's that's me. I'm here I'm reachable. You can reach me on Facebook. Just search my name j Junior. If you want to write me an email. It's kind of a complicated email, but it's breaking. Dad's Gonzo at gmail four twenty at gmail dot com. So it's b R E A K I N G b A D S g O n z O four two zero at gmail dot com. If you want to share your experience, images, video, hit me up. I don't hate they need me to

1:07:48 like enhance any pictures or anything you think it might be something interesting. I don't charge. I'm happy to do it for free. I just want to further the research and all that we're doing in the strange and unknown. That's fantastic. And I think probably because you have a heart like that, that's why you have all the stuff that happens to you, because you've got that pure heart. That's just my personal opinion. But I've seen, you know, people that are in it for money, they're usually not going to experience a much. So anyways, that's an. I'm broken to joke. I got too for money and whatever else I can do for work. I worked my ass off with my family and I am not riched by any means and I haven't made any good money off of the Bigfoot world like no, no, I just do it because I love it and I want to get the truth out there. If you can, you know, I love it.

1:08:45 Jesus, thank you so much for coming on. It has been a pleasure chatting to you tonight. Thank you for having me. A honored to be on your show, brother, and let's do it again soon. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube tube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much. Make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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1:10:50 Her and I can get on here. We can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening it's too. Afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will. Give them the courage to come out. And now I feel so bad about it. Who cares what anybody's thinks. I know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's all I care about. Please let people know, Please let them know. If you've ever seen one of these things, you need to tell because if you don't, then.

1:11:33 Shame on you. You know, shame on you.