Sept. 9, 2024

Bridge to Bigfoot: A Oregon Sasquatch Conversation

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, we talk to Alicia, who shares her remarkable paranormal encounters in Oregon. From eerie Bigfoot sightings in Astoria and the Siuslaw National Forest to strange experiences at Spruce Run campground, Alicia recounts...

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Season 1

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, we talk to Alicia, who shares her remarkable paranormal encounters in Oregon. From eerie Bigfoot sightings in Astoria and the Siuslaw National Forest to strange experiences at Spruce Run campground, Alicia recounts the unexplained phenomena that have left her and her family questioning the unknown.

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slash the Bigfoot Society and now let's get on with

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the show. All right, Bigfoot Society, you get the privilege

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of talking to Alisha. Alicia is an individual that I

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had the privilege of meeting at my booth in Sasquatch

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Summerfest out there in beautiful Elkridge organ just a few

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months ago, and she has agreed to come on. She's

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got some really interesting things that have happened to her

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over the years. But Alish, it's a privilege to talk

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to you again, and thank you for coming on the show.

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Yeah, thanks for having me. I've been looking forward to this.

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It was awesome to meet you at the festival too,

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and it's exciting to share. You kind of helped encourage

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me to set the appointment and do the interview, so

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I'm looking forward to it.

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Yeah, absolutely, And it looked like you were making some

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really good connections around the fair. I noticed you were

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talking all sorts of people when I was talking to

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lots of people myself at my booth, so that was

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pretty cool to see.

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Yeah, it was great. I just happened to stumble upon

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and meet Jeff Rohn, and I was talking with Tobe

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Johnson quite a bit because I'm in the Cottage Grove area,

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so I wanted to kind of talk his ear off

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a little bit and hear more about the Almon Lab stuff,

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and just met a lot of really great people.

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That is fantastic. That's one of my favorite books. It's

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such an incredible read, and big fan of everything that

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Tobe and those guys do. And I've talked to Jeff

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as well. But that's why I'm saying people, you need

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to go to festivals like this, especially the smaller, newer ones,

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because you're going to get connections that you're not going

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to be able to get on the internet, but that

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to the side, Alicia, that's kind of my plug for

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people to go to festivals in person. It's honored to

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have you on here. I'm going to go ahead and

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put things right over to you. But before we start,

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I am going to say this is going to be

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one of those interviews where it'll be kind of a

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more conversational back and forth, just because we want things

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to flow a certain way, and I always check with

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the individual to see if they'd prefer them just taking

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the reins and going or if we want to have

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more of a conversation. So we're going to go ahead

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and do that. So it might be a little bit

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different than you're used to, but it'll be great. And Alicia,

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I'm going to have you go ahead and start off

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where you'd like to start.

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Okay, sounds good. So I was born and raised in Astoria, Oregon,

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which is like the top left of Oregon, right at

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the mouth of the Columbia River there, and I when

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I was about nine, I think nine years old, I

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lived with my grandparents off not a lot in our childhood,

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and they decided to sell their house in town and

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purchased a five acre property out in called Spincon, but

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it's technically it's still the Astoria zip code, but it's

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about like twenty or thirty minutes east of Astoria off

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Highway thirty. And we moved out there. And the first

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summer I was out there, I had a sleepover with

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a four eight friend and she came over and spent

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the night, and we stayed up later because it was

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a summer night, and we probably went to bed around

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like twelve or twelve thirty and I could not sleep

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because it was just really hot and we didn't have

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ac and she fell asleep within like the first five

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minutes and was snoring. So between the heat and the

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snoring and probably like a leftover caffeine rush, I could

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just not sleep for the life of me. And it

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wasn't very uncommon for me to just lay in bed

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and kind of be in my head thinking about things,

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and so I know I did that for about like

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an hour and a half or so, and at one

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point I got so fed up with the heat that

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I just grabbed my pillow and decided to lay down

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on the carpet below the only window in my room.

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And I'm laying there, and I guess maybe I should

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kind of describe the property a little bit in the area,

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but so it's kind of like in the shape of

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a squoi and it's a corner lot, so the road

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wrapped around like the left and top side of it.

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and kind of back behind us, but we had a

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lot of elk and deer and coyotes around. We were

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really familiar with the elk and the deer coming into

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our yard and for some reason, they really like to

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enter in this one specific corner, which was like the

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top right corner, and it would lead from the road

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and they'd have to jump over a drainage ditch into

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our field. Our property was pretty open, like not a

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ton of trees, but if on our road because it

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kind of came to a te so it didn't matter

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if you took a left towards our property or right.

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Either way it would end up at like a gravel

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road with just tons of forest and there'd be you know,

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logging trucks coming in and out during the week, and

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so just a lot of forests land back there. But

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our property itself was pretty open, so going back to

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the story. So I'm laying there and it's probably between

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like one thirty two thirty in the morning, and I

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hear this really loud thump and I immediately woke up

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because I was like almost drifting off to sleep, and

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then the thud sound like woke me up. My eyes

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I opened wide open, and immediately after the thud, I

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started to hear running, and it sounded by pedal to me.

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come into our yard, I was familiar with the sound

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of them kind of entering our property because you'd hear

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kind of like a first thud and a second thud,

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like the front hoofs followed by the back hooves. And

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this was just like a single thud, So the thud

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and then running towards the direction of the house. I

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kind of heard it approach it, and it probably got

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like halfway through the field, and I started to hear

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really heavy breathing, and at this point I was kind

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of more like paralyzed in fear a little bit because

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I was realizing that it was heading in the direction

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of the house, and like my open window, and even

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though my blinds were closed, I was just like I

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guess nervous that this thing would somehow know whatever it

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was that I was on the other side of the

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window or something, and little paranoid thoughts. But so it

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booked it past my window, and it was so loud,

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like the footfall was really heavy. The breathing, of course,

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became a lot louder, and it just kind of went

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right past my window. It took a single step on

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our gravel driveway and then it hit the pavement, and

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as soon as it hit the pavement, I heard the

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sound of bare feet slapping on pavement, and that really

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kind of tripped me out because I was like a party.

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Me was thinking, there's a person running through our yard

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in the middle of the night, which is strange on

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its own, But why would they not be wearing shoes?

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Was my other thought. And then it continued running, and

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then there was like a short pause followed by another thud,

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and then I continued hearing the running again. So it

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actually I realized it ran just far enough to pass,

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Like we had a bordering treeline behind our house separating

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our property in the neighbor's property, and there was like

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old barbed wire in there too, So this thing whatever

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it was, just ran long enough to pass that tree

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wine and then jumped over the ditch and continued running

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in our neighbor's field, which was like three foot tall

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dry grass, and I could hear it like kind of

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pushing down the tall grass as it was running. And

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the other thing about it was just how fast it

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covered ground. Like I mean, I can't even really guess

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how long it took, but I just remember in the

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moment thinking like, wow, this thing is really fast, really heavy,

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and just had no idea. I had a hard time

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believing it was a person, and I didn't tell my

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friend or my family. I was just kind of like

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freaked out and wanted to forget it sort of a thing.

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But that was the first experience I had at that house.

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And then a couple of years later, I was probably

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like thirteen or fourteen, and this is one that I

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experienced with my mom, And by this time we had

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two dogs, and we had like a small Schnauzer mix

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and then kind of a medium sized pit bull rescue,

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and the two of them were like they would just

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and go running after anything on our property, like didn't

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matter if it was you know, big elk or the

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deer or people. They would just take off running. We

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actually had to be careful about letting them outside if

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we had elk in our yard and stuff like that.

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But my mom and I went shopping for the day

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and we had probably been gone about like five hours,

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i'd say, and no one else was home. So when

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we got home, first thing, we were like, oh, got

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to take the dogs out because they probably need to go.

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And so we let them out the back porch and

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we start walking out there with them, and we noticed

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that they wouldn't go down off the porch, so we

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kind of decided to walk down off the few steps

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and onto this little tile paver area and it's dark.

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I don't remember there being any source of light outside

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of like our porch light reaching as far as it did.

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So we can see stars and you know, no moonlight

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or anything, because it was pitch black beyond like the

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porch light. So and as we're walking down the stairs

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off the porch, we're kind of talking. I think we

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were just resuming a conversation we were having in the car,

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and we think the dogs came off the porch and

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are doing their thing, but we're just talking and not

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paying attention and then all of a sudden, in front

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of us, we start to hear something like trudging through

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the BlackBerry bushes, walking through them like it's no problem

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at all, and they'd probably be like, you know, kind

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of waist height BlackBerry bushes. And it's again like heavy footsteps,

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and it was kind of like a boom boom boom sound,

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and my mom's and I both stopped talking, and she's like,

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do you hear that? And you know what is that?

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And she thought maybe it was an elk and I

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was like, no, I don't hear like the hoofs, and

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and she's like, could it be a cougar? And I

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thought no, I think it would be trying to sneak

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up on us if it was a cougar. And it

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just keeps like a really steady pace of approaching us,

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and then it gets as it's getting closer, I start

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to hear deep, heavy breathing and I instantly think back

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and remember that night at the sleepover when that thing

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ran through our yard, and it reminded me so much

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of that sound, just like the heaviness of it and

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the breathing, and it wasn't slowing down, and it also

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wasn't speeding up, but it was just like beelining straight

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for us, and we should have been able to see it,

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but again, it was so dark and the porch light

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only illuminated so far. And then my mom is just like, wait,

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were the dogs, and because we hadn't heard a peep

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out of them, and we look up and they're still

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on the porch. They're actually standing at the back door

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with their tails tucked and their hackles up, and they

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look terrified, which is very abnormal for them. They always

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freak out when something's on our property. And we were like,

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this is weird. So my mom just goes get in

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the house and we ran in and she locked the door,

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and immediately she ran over and like closed the blinds

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to a window that, if it were daylight, would have

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been facing where that thing was walking towards us, Like

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we would have been able to see it had there

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been light, but we couldn't. Yeah, of course it was

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pitch black. So it weirded me out that she closed

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the blinds. I mean, I think that was just kind

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of like a mom instinct, like protective thing. But I

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remember thinking, you know, if it was an animal, why

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would you close the blinds, but and that freaked us out.

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We didn't really talk about it too much after that,

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but she'll still talk about it with me and agree

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that that was weird, and we both kind of question,

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you know, what it could have been, but I kind

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of I lean more towards the bigfoot stuff and she's

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open to that. But yeah, both of those things are

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I guess still up in the air. Just didn't sound

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like any animal I could think of. I guess.

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Was that the same property as well?

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Or yes, yeah, sorry, that was the same property. Okay, yeah, yeah.

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We were probably out there for like eight years, I

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want to say, but yeah, and those were the two

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main kind of experiences we had out there. And I

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asked other parts of my family, like my brother lived

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with us and then my grandparents, and I don't recall

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them sharing anything, but yeah, they were interesting.

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You said it was east of Astoria.

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Yeah, so if you take Highway thirty and head towards

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like Rainier organ and like we're the bridge is going

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over to long View out that way, I think it's

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about like maybe eighteen or twenty miles east of Astoria.

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It's still considered the same zip code, but there's like

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a little sign that says Spincon. But yeah, it's right

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before NAPA.

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So were you close to Rainier or not too close?

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I think from Spincon Rainier probably would have been another

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like thirty five forty minutes, but yeah, it's from Astoria'd

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probably be more like a forty five to fifty minute

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kind of track.

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Wow. Okay, So in terms of Bigfoot moving around, it's

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it's not that far away. Big for society will be

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right back after these messages.

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There's a lot of like forest land out there. Oh yeah,

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there's quite a bit.

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Yeah you've heard the have you heard there in years

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stuff I've had on this podcast that was that was.

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The first one I ever heard. Was it really really

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gotten hooked?

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Okay?

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Yeah, yeah, that was one of my favorites.

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Yeah, there may be more coming to that in a

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few years. We'll see. Oh cool, prass your fingers.

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Yeah.

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So thinking back to that time when you're I mean

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you're pretty young. We just heard that you were around

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thirteen to fourteen in the last account, did you ever

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notice any weird stuff on the property besides hearing the

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sounds the footprints, did you ever see like any weird

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things done to trees or other sounds that didn't make

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sense or just kind of out of place stuff.

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No, I mean, so I didn't really explore much of

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the woods or anything out that way. And like our

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property I mentioned, we didn't really have a ton of trees.

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Other people's properties would, but ours was fairly open. In fact,

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I think that there were like a lot of young

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trees that were just planted. And I drove past that

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property somewhat in the last recent and last pry three

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years and those trees have already grown. You can't even

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like see the house anymore as you drive by. But yeah,

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so I didn't notice any interesting structures or things like that.

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But to be honest, I don't think I would have

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an eye for it. It wasn't until I learned about

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that stuff that I like will see at anytime I'm

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out in the woods. But we did have a kind

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of a separate living room on the end of the house,

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or one end of the house that was kind of

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like a TV family room, and the porch kind of

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hugged around that side of the house but had a

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ramp leading up to it, And there was a lot

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of summer nights that I would fall asleep with the

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TV on like no volume, but leaving the TV on

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for kind of like light. And when I would be asleep,

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kind of in the middle of the night, I would

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be woken up to the sound of someone stepping on

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the creaky boards of that ramp, and I would wake

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up and listen, and I wouldn't hear any addition, any

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additional like footsteps leading off or continuing onto the porch.

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It would just be like the creaks of specific boards

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that I knew myself from just walking on it, and

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then there would be no other sound. So that always

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I always wondered about. But aside from that, I don't

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really remember much else. My brother saw a cougar at night,

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kind of backlit by the moonlight one night while he

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was out smoking on the porch, But yeah, I don't

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I asked him, and he didn't seem to remember any

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like strange non wildlife type experiences.

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Gotcha, And did that ever come up in conversations with neighbors, like, Hey,

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we had something weird running around on our property, Do

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you guys ever have anything or anything like that?

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No, not that I not that I'm aware of. I

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don't know if my you know, it's possible that that

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was you know, conversations between my grandparents and my mom,

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but I we only talked to about one neighbor in particular.

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They were on our right and they pretty much kept

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to themselves, but they would let us know if there was,

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you know, any sightings of cougars in the area, or

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you know, if animals, like their pets were getting messed

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with by coyotes or anything. But it was mostly just

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kind of your typical small talk with them. And yeah,

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they had a couple of horses and a couple of dogs,

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but we didn't really Yeah, it was just kind of

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a simple, you know, high neighbor sort of a thing.

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Weather's nice kind of talk.

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Yeah, I totally get it. Kind of similar maybe to

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New England a little bit in a way, which is

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where I grew up. But so abound that time of

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your your life, you had some interesting things happen and

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you're kind of open to well maybe this bigfoot, maybe not.

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And then did other things happen pretty close to that

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or was it another multiple year gap between something else?

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Yeah, there was probably another another good gap. So like

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my next experience was more like when I was twenty

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one or twenty two age range, I've grown up having

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kind of like paranormal activity stuff, and I moved around

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quite a bit in my childhood, so we'd be in

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houses and i'd kind of have more experiences surrounding like

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maybe quote unquote haunted house type of situation or things

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like that, but not as much in the realm of Bigfoot.

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So but when I was, yeah, that age range of

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twenty one twenty two, I was working in the service

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industry and befriended this gal and her boyfriend who I

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worked together with, and we decided to go camping together.

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And if you head down one on one from Astoria,

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you can go past Seaside and wind up at that

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junction where it splits off to either stay on one

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on one or take Highway twenty six. That'll go over

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a pass and it kind of spits you out towards

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Beaverton area. And on that pass is a campground called

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Spruce Run. So we decided to go camp that way,

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and they brought their dog with them, but otherwise it

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was just the three of us and we When you

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first pull off of Highway twenty six towards the you

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know the sign for the campground, it kind of the

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road splits and you can go left and up towards

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the lake, which is called Lost Lake, or you can

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go to the right and go down into the campground.

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We wanted to go out and check out the lake,

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but we decided to go grab our spot first and

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kind of set up a little bit. So we went

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down and we found our camp spot, and when we

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were driving down in, I noticed off to the left

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that there was a trailhead that kind of hugged and

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paralleled the road of the lake kind of drive up

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or whatever, and so I made a comment of that,

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and I was like, oh, I wonder if that, you know,

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that trail leads to the lake, maybe we should try

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to hike to it. And it's probably not that long.

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So we decided to do that. After we set up,

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we walked over to the trailhead and there was no

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like signs at that time, so it didn't like, I

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don't even know if the trail had like a name

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or anything. And then there was just kind of like

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a blink sign area. But we decided to take the

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truck anyways, and their dog was really excited, you know,

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kind of had the zoomies. You'd run up ahead of

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us and then come back. But then I was leading

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in front, and you know, besides the dog, and every

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like twenty feet probably I was running into cobwebs. And

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then the trail was pretty overgrown. You could tell it

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wasn't really maintained. And so I remember making a comment

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about partway, you know, about five minutes in or something

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that like, I don't think anyone's taking this trail recently,

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because I'm literally walking into gobwebs, you know, every fifteen

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or twenty feet, And pretty soon it turns into just switchbacks,

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and so the dogs like running up ahead of me

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kind of partially up the next switchback, and then he

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turns around and comes running back and he'll check in

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with his owners. And we get like twenty minutes into

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the hike, and all of a sudden, something like throws

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a decent sized rock up and over our heads, like

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this perfect arch, and it just like wax trees all

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the way down, and I stop and we all look

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at each other and we're just kind of like, what

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was that? And I'm trying to kind of look up

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because there's a bit of like a ridge up above us,

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and I don't, you know, I don't see anything, and

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the dogs like all perked up and curious. But I

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think I made a joke of you know, I think

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at that point I had heard about bigfoots throwing rocks,

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and so I think I cracked a joke like, oh,

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maybe it's a bigfoot. But we were we were kind

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of puzzled, but I was curious and also wanted to

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continue hiking, and so I think we just decided to

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keep going a little farther. I think I kind of

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encouraged it a bit.

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How did the other people in the party react to

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your joke.

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I think they just kind of laughed a little bit.

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I mean they were they'd be open minded to chatting

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about subjects like that, but I don't know if they

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personally were, you know, in that boat of believing in them.

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But yeah, I think I remember them just kind of

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giggling at it, and I think they were more concerned

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that it was a person maybe up there, like camping

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out or like, you know, maybe like a homeless person

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living up there. But I was like, oh, it's probably

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you know, it's probably nothing, or maybe it wasn't a rock.

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I remember us kind of trying to talk through it

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of like maybe it's not a big of a deal.

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But I in my head, I was like curious and

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kind of hoping that it was a rock thrown by bigfoot.

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So I was encouraging them to keep going, and we

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went probably i think like one and a half more switchbacks,

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and a second one was thrown. So I immediately looked

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up the ridge or hill side again and I could

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see where I think it came from, because this bush

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was kind of shaking pretty like rapidly, and I pointed

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it out and they're like, oh yeah, and I could

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see on their faces they were weirded out, And I

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mean I was a little weighted out, but I was

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kind of more excited and curious than afraid. But at

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this point, the dog actually turned around and started descending

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the trail without us, like he wasn't having any of it.

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And I think at this point in the trail we

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were also wanting to know like how much farther it was,

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and it started to seem like it was taking longer

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than it should because the road leading up to it

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is very short, like it shouldn't take that long to

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kind of get to but this, yeah, the second time

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that the rock was thrown, it did the same exact thing,

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like the same exact perfect arch. It was way up

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over our heads and then hit multiple trees as it

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came down. But when I looked up where I think

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that it kind of came from, there were you could

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see that that wasn't a part of the trail, like

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the switchbacks were about to stop, and like maybe it

462
00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:38.720
continues farther off to the right or something, because you

463
00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:43.039
couldn't see. It was just all overgrown, and it didn't

464
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:45.279
make sense to me that a person would be hiding

465
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:49.759
up there and just like throwing rocks at people. And

466
00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:52.559
I think at this point too, I was still running

467
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:55.160
into cobwebs, maybe a little less, but there was still

468
00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:59.720
quite a few as we continued up there, and so

469
00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:03.519
we just kind of decided, Okay, like something is either

470
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:06.440
maybe not wanting us up there or is messing with us.

471
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:09.240
And because I could tell they were a little uncomfortable

472
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.359
and the dog was like ready to leave, we decided

473
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:16.720
to go back down to the campground and drive up

474
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:19.839
to the lake instead, And so we went and we

475
00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:24.039
did that, came back, had some food and things, and

476
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:27.599
I remember when the boyfriend was taking the cooler out

477
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:30.799
of the car, he was making a comment that the

478
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.599
cooler was really heavy, and my friend his girlfriend was

479
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:36.839
kind of laughing, like, you know, why did you pack

480
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:40.559
so much? And we were only going to be there

481
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:42.720
for one night, but he's a cook and so he

482
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:46.200
got really into bringing lots of good food. And then

483
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:48.680
my friend and I worked at a beer growler station,

484
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:53.039
so we had like heavy thirty ounce you know, jars

485
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:58.119
of craft beer in there, and then like the ice

486
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:00.279
and all that. So it was probably like a thirty

487
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:04.359
five pound or so cooler when he was taking it out.

488
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:09.519
And anyway, so I'm making that note because when we

489
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:13.759
went to bed that night, I was woken up at

490
00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:16.640
some point, you know, middle of the night to hearing

491
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:21.359
that cooler being dragged across the gravel on the ground.

492
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:25.880
And it wasn't like I didn't hear any other sound

493
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:30.559
of like something trying to open the cooler or scratch

494
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.440
at it. I didn't hear any footsteps or something like scamping,

495
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:38.799
like scampering around the camp. It was literally just the

496
00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:43.000
like it happened three times. You would hear it drag

497
00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:46.480
across the cooler, it would pause, and then it did

498
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:50.319
it again, and then there was kind of a longer pause,

499
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:53.920
and then it happened one more time, and I stayed

500
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:56.440
awake listening because I was like, if it's you know,

501
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:59.599
a small animal, I think you'd hear more or any

502
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:01.640
animal to hear more noises. If it was like a

503
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:05.160
bear or something, you probably you're like sniffing or you know,

504
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:08.000
something like that. And there was no other noise. It

505
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:11.400
was literally just something. And it almost reminded me of

506
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:15.519
like a paranormal type experience where an inanimate object is

507
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.799
like being moved, but you don't like hear any other

508
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:23.559
noises to kind of logically explain it. It reminded me

509
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:28.160
of that in a way. So, you know, little things

510
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:33.160
that were just weird enough to make you question or yeah, wonder,

511
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:36.599
I guess.

512
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:43.400
That is that's extremely weird. Yeah, I feel like we

513
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:49.960
are missing some foundation foundational information you because you alluded

514
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:55.480
to it, really and I just I don't know if

515
00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:58.200
you're you're if you're not comfortable with this, that's fine,

516
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:02.200
because is I do will be right back after these messages.

517
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:21.359
But what kind of stuff was also happening when you

518
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:21.880
were younger?

519
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:29.160
Well, so, like I said, I moved around a lot,

520
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:31.599
and yeah, I'm totally comfortable getting into it. I just

521
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.200
didn't know how much I should kind of keep it

522
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:38.240
strictly to bigfoot stuff, but or being out in the woods.

523
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:44.000
So I remember being woken up a lot from like

524
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:49.119
deeper sleeps and just having an overwhelming presence feeling in

525
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:53.440
the room. I was terrified of sleeping alone and like

526
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:55.559
in the dark. Even if I was like sleeping with

527
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:58.039
my mom, there had to be a night light because

528
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:01.079
I would get woken up so often. I like noises,

529
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:07.759
and not just not just your typical like floorboard creaking

530
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.920
or the house settling, you know, like wood expansion or

531
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:16.119
whatever it was. It would sound more like tapping or knocking,

532
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:20.079
or or it would be something that I didn't hear.

533
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:23.160
It would just be an overwhelming sense of like a

534
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:25.680
presence of something in the room. Might even be kind

535
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:30.440
of hyper focused on, like a certain corner, but not

536
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:32.480
stuff that you know, could probably be chopped up to

537
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:38.319
you know, kids fear and wild imaginations. But I woke

538
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:41.880
up in my grandma's house before they sold their house

539
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:45.200
and we moved out to Spencent. They had a pink

540
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:49.240
house up on the hill in Astoria, and one morning

541
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:52.559
everyone was downstairs eating breakfast and I was sleeping in

542
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:57.680
I must have been like five or six, probably, But

543
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:03.000
I woke up to the door just like slowly being

544
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:07.039
pushed open, which wasn't something that a breeze could do

545
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:11.160
because it was a really tall, like shaggy carpet and

546
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:14.599
it would require some effort to kind of push it open,

547
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:19.759
and that freaked me out. I booked it and ran downstairs,

548
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:25.759
and then I used to see like shadows in the

549
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:28.799
corner of my eyes that I would just kind of

550
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:33.720
brush off or ignore because I don't know. I think

551
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:40.400
I avoided for most of my childhood trying to understand

552
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:46.119
or explain things that would happen. But that's because it

553
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:49.359
was like too scary for me to really try to

554
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:53.799
understand or think about. I was pretty easily spooked as

555
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:55.400
a kid, Like I had to be careful of what

556
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:57.759
I watched and things like that because it would just

557
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:01.359
kind of linger for me, or it would feel so real.

558
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:03.359
Even if it was just like a you know, a

559
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:07.240
made up movie or something, it would feel very real.

560
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:10.840
And I've also always just had a very open mind

561
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:14.800
when it came to the possibility of things existing like

562
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:19.840
Bigfoot or you know, aliens, ghosts, you know, forest creatures,

563
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:24.559
things like that, and I kind of feel like because

564
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:30.639
I've had an open mind to it, that I've naturally

565
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:38.320
been like approached or like exposed to experiencing more because

566
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:41.599
I don't know, and that's just like my theory on

567
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:45.280
it is because I'm if other people tell me stories

568
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:47.679
or things that they believe, and I just kind of like,

569
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:50.840
I listen to them and you know, take them by

570
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:56.840
their word if they if they seem authentic and without judgment,

571
00:34:56.920 --> 00:34:59.199
and like, wow, you know, I personally don't know if

572
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.079
I believe in that specific thing, but I'm willing to

573
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:06.599
hear it and hear them out and not discredit them

574
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.280
for it. So I think a lot has to do

575
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:13.760
with my just open mindedness to the possibilities has made

576
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:18.360
me experience a lot more. And that stuff really vamped

577
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:23.480
up more in like my teenage years and my early

578
00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:28.079
to mid twenties, and I still get little things here

579
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:32.760
and there, usually when I'm by myself, but yeah, it's

580
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:35.559
something I'm more used to now and I've kind of

581
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:41.440
overcome the fear and became more curious about things. And yeah,

582
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:44.559
so if that kind of explains it, I.

583
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:48.039
Don't know that that really makes sense any weird dreams

584
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:51.519
or or any weird communication or anything like that.

585
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:59.559
Yeah, I actually have a specifically with bigfoot. I was

586
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:02.920
debating whether I should add it or not into the stories.

587
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:07.480
But when I was young, or probably like between five

588
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:11.360
and seven, I would have a reoccurring dream about a

589
00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:15.000
bigfoot like watching me through a window, and it was

590
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:19.480
always a square window. Weirdly enough, I should probably look

591
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:24.079
into like the symbology of you know, like dream symbolism

592
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:27.079
and all that stuff. But I would always be alone,

593
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.039
and typically in like my Grandma's house would be the setting.

594
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:32.360
But I'd be in the living room like watching TV

595
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:36.880
alone with nobody else home, and then suddenly I'd get

596
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:39.280
the feeling that I was being watched, and I would

597
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.239
look up, and sure enough it would be that square

598
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:45.440
window with just the shoulders and the head of a bigfoot.

599
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:50.559
And I would immediately book it to the next room

600
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:53.039
over and find a hiding spot where I felt like

601
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:56.519
I was out of view and for a moment feel

602
00:36:56.800 --> 00:37:00.599
safe and like I wasn't seen. And then the feeling

603
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:03.519
would come back around and I'd feel it again, and

604
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:06.519
I'd look up and where on a wall there wasn't

605
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:10.639
a window before that same square window like manifested in

606
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:14.480
the dream, and that same exact Bigfoot would be right there,

607
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:20.000
and it was always during the daytime. I wish I

608
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:23.880
could like think of or remember more details about like

609
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:28.159
the face, but I in my dream, I would always

610
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:30.920
kind of book it as soon as I saw, like

611
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:35.039
the silhouette, and so I don't have much like memory

612
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:39.280
of the specifics of what it looked like or anything.

613
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:43.239
But yeah, and that one. I probably had that dream

614
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:46.039
like six or eight times, and it would just always

615
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:48.440
play out the same way, like maybe the house was

616
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:51.400
a little different, but the same exact thing would happen

617
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:55.360
every time. And I told my mom about it the

618
00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:59.840
other day, asking her, you know, when she might think

619
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:03.159
I was exposed to, like the idea of Bigfoot existing,

620
00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:06.639
because I don't remember, you know, I never saw Harry

621
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.440
and the Henderson's until I was like twenty three, so

622
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:14.320
and of course Bigfoot's marketed and used all over the

623
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:17.719
place now, But back then, I mean that would have

624
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.800
been like the mid to late nineties, it wasn't as

625
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:23.840
common to see that, you know, silhouette or be exposed

626
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:28.639
to the idea of Bigfoot. And you know, like I said,

627
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.800
she was careful about what I would watch or see

628
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:34.960
as a kid, so she she couldn't think of a

629
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:37.639
time when maybe I would have learned about the possibility

630
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:41.159
of them. So I kind of tripped out at the

631
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:43.400
thought of, like, whoa, what if I was having these

632
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:47.199
dreams before I even knew they existed. But I can't

633
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:51.079
like confirm or deny that.

634
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:55.599
That's that's super super interesting And thank you for sharing that,

635
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:59.960
because that's that's pretty personal. Well this all is. But yeah,

636
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:03.159
any questions I asked you, you can shut me down.

637
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.280
Do you have a religious background at all?

638
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:11.519
I do not. There's been times when like my mom

639
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:18.920
or grandparents would attend church, like Christian churches, and I

640
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:20.920
went to church a little bit as a kid, but

641
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:25.800
it wasn't super enforced and it wasn't something that stayed.

642
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:32.000
And then personally, I've dabbled in a lot more like

643
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:36.760
spirituality stuff. But I'm now at a point in my

644
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:39.559
life where, you know, if I kind of go through

645
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:44.960
phases where I feel more connected to spirituality and other

646
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.639
times I don't. It kind of just depends what I

647
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:50.760
do or how I'm feeling. But it's not like a

648
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:54.679
you know, it's like an everyday thing, or I don't

649
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:57.960
take it super seriously. I just kind of have a

650
00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:02.000
openness to the possibilities of all of it. I guess.

651
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:05.559
Yeah, when you say dabble with stuff is like meditation.

652
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:13.880
Stuff, I thought, yeah, meditation like divination like tarot cards

653
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:16.800
and pendulums. There was a time in my twenties where

654
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:18.760
I was really into that stuff, and now it's just

655
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:21.800
kind of like, yeah, I know about it and I

656
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:26.400
have it, but I don't always use them or mess

657
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:29.320
with those things. I just kind of when it feels

658
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:31.599
right or when I feel like utilizing them.

659
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:35.679
It sounds like you're probably a type of person where

660
00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:44.360
you're sensitive to different things, maybe even able to get

661
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:46.480
vibes about certain people that around you.

662
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:55.440
Perhaps, Yeah, I think some of my own personal like

663
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:59.159
like social anxieties or things like that, like mental health stuff,

664
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.639
tend to get the way of Like when I'm around

665
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:07.239
other people, I don't feel as sensitive to you know them.

666
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:09.800
I think I can pick up on, you know, whether

667
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:14.239
I think someone's being honest or authentic with me, But

668
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:18.039
I definitely don't pick up on you know, I don't

669
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:21.519
claim to have any specific like gifts, I guess if

670
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:25.800
that makes sense, But based off of you know, reading

671
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.920
about the different types like Claire buoyance or whatever, things

672
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:34.639
like that. A lot of my experiences have been audible,

673
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:39.599
and I tend to hear things that people other people

674
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:42.480
don't and so if anything, kind of leans more towards

675
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:44.880
like the Claire audience side of things. But I don't

676
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:48.920
like claim any of those as a label.

677
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.719
If yeah, that's that's really interesting. So you never have

678
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:56.199
like you're around someone who don't know and it's like, oh,

679
00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:58.159
I feel like it really should talk to them for

680
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:01.679
some reason, and.

681
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.599
Yeah, I haven't. I haven't had that. I mean, I'll

682
00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:06.599
be drawn towards people if I feel like they give

683
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:09.480
off good energy or good vibes, whatever you want to

684
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:14.159
call it. But I tend to think like I just

685
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:17.800
end up stumbling upon like being at the right place

686
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:21.199
at the right time and meeting people like I actually

687
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:24.159
view the festival as kind of that, because that was

688
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:26.559
the first time I attended one of those things, and

689
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:29.719
I was a little nervous to get out there and

690
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:32.800
you know, be put myself. I don't. I don't go

691
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:35.480
out too much and I've got a pretty small circle

692
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.480
and just kind of do my thing. So getting out

693
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:42.880
in the public or bigger events sometimes can like I

694
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:45.519
can talk myself out of going, but I made myself

695
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:47.920
go and it ended up being amazing.

696
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:53.800
So yeah, absolutely, Well thanks for thanks for backtracking a

697
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:59.880
little bit and going over some of the foundational stuff. So, yeah,

698
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:05.159
year we were last talking about the Campsite incident in

699
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:09.159
your in your early twenties, and.

700
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:14.239
Then oh, I actually do have a little like side

701
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:19.679
note spin off experience to that. So I can't remember

702
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.320
what year that was, but so when I was around

703
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:25.960
like twenty one two, and that was probably in the springtime,

704
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:28.159
I want to say, like late spring or early summer.

705
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:32.960
But anyways, that following December, my parents were living in

706
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:37.639
central Oregon at the time in Redmond, and we went

707
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:41.280
to their house around Christmas time and my brother and

708
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:44.840
I and one of my good friends at the time,

709
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:49.920
we decided to go hike at Smith Rock. And we

710
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:53.320
instead of going up and over you know the big

711
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:56.360
rock stuff, like the kind of the main trail, I

712
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:59.960
forget what the actual trail name is called, but there's

713
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.280
also you can kind of go down to the left

714
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:06.039
and just follow down along the flat canyon area. So

715
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.760
we decided to do that one and I was telling

716
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:14.000
them the story about the rock throwing the Spruce Run

717
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:18.480
campground and we're in like a single file line. My

718
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:21.119
brother's leading my friends in the middle, and then I'm

719
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:24.920
in the back. And at the time, no one was

720
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.840
like around us. I think we were on a part

721
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:31.199
of the trail that maybe other people weren't either at

722
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:34.199
yet or just wasn't like a high traffic time. It

723
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:36.159
was just mostly felt like it was us. We didn't

724
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:38.920
pass that many people. So anyways, I'm like kind of

725
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:43.639
telling this story as we're walking along, and my friend

726
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:45.679
in the middle just asked me, like, you know, I

727
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:48.679
can't remember how she worded it, but she was essentially

728
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:51.960
asking me if I thought that there was something more

729
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:58.320
to them, like intelligence or you know, stranger about them,

730
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:05.639
something like more complex, and you know, I immediately answered with, like, yeah, definitely,

731
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:10.280
like that was kind of where I was leaning towards.

732
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:16.800
And right after I said yes, absolutely, I we heard

733
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:21.840
this PLoP right behind us and we turn around and

734
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:28.400
this like flat, larger rock was thrown from somewhere and

735
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:32.039
was just dropped perfectly centered in the path behind us,

736
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:34.559
like we had just walked through there. We knew that

737
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:37.320
that rock wasn't there before, and we all heard like

738
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:41.639
the PLoP of it landing behind us, and I turned

739
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:44.360
around and saw it, and we all looked at each

740
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:48.320
other and they're like, that was weird, and we look around.

741
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:50.639
I think there was to our right more of like

742
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:51.360
a big.

743
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:54.480
Rock face wall, big so society who will be right

744
00:45:54.480 --> 00:46:13.320
back after these messages, So there.

745
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:15.519
Was nobody, you know, on our right, and then on

746
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:19.000
our left was like a moving kind of little like

747
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:21.639
ravine area and the water was kind of loud. But

748
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:24.320
on the opposite side of the running water there is

749
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:28.599
another trail, but it's a little bit farther out and

750
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:33.000
there's nothing but you know, like maybe knee hide rocks

751
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:36.559
and sagebrush, and there was nobody over there. And we

752
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:39.719
looked in front of us, behind us, and no one

753
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:42.280
was around us at that time. But also even if

754
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:45.320
somebody did throw, like a human throw a rock from

755
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:48.920
the other side, that water was pretty loud, and I

756
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:52.199
couldn't imagine that from there that they could really hear

757
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:54.760
us that well. And like the story I was telling

758
00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:59.599
and just the timing of it was really interesting. So

759
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:06.320
that felt almost like a confirmation to when I answered

760
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:13.159
that question to her, I was like, oh, that was funny. Yeah,

761
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:16.679
So that was just a little kind of spin off

762
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:18.719
of that story, just the timing and everything.

763
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:22.760
So it's so weird because I've had multiple interviews recently

764
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:25.840
and some of them got really deep, and there have

765
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:29.519
been other people that have said a similar variant of

766
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:32.760
what you just said, where it's like they were saying

767
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:36.199
something in the exact second after they stopped saying it,

768
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:41.440
there was some physical like something fell or a tree

769
00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:45.159
was pushed over. That's a wild way. Yeah, it's a

770
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:49.119
very interesting thing that you just mentioned, because it's something

771
00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:51.639
that I'm starting to hear from other people that are

772
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:56.400
also very open to certain things like you are saying.

773
00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:00.159
So I don't know if there's a connection there, but yeah.

774
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.679
Yeah, I think I don't know. I mean, just based

775
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:06.000
off of my own experience, that's kind of where my

776
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:09.440
head leads and what I kind of theorized, but of

777
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:12.480
course we all have our own individual experiences. During that

778
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:16.039
time too, I was listening to and watching different YouTube

779
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:20.400
channels where I was kind of learning more about people's

780
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:23.800
encounters and things more beyond just like the flesh and

781
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:28.079
blood idea of them. So that was kind of already

782
00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:31.719
on my mind, and it seemed like once I would

783
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:34.599
learn something new, and I was like exposed to a

784
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:39.039
new idea or like maybe thing that people assumed that

785
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:41.960
they did, like rock throwing or the tree knocky and

786
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:43.960
all that stuff. It was like as soon as I

787
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:48.239
had read or listened to something that talked about it,

788
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:55.639
I would experience it or yeah, like encounter that. So

789
00:48:56.119 --> 00:49:00.440
and I kind of I always lead back to the

790
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:04.360
idea that you know, we kind of we tend to

791
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:07.159
perceive things based off of what we know. You know,

792
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:09.880
It's like if you don't know that something is a

793
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:12.880
possibility or exists, it's like your brain might not pick

794
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:15.719
up on that or even see it, like you'd walk

795
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:19.000
right past it, or you chalk it up to a

796
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:23.960
bird making a noise or whatever. So yeah, just trying

797
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:28.559
to like learn and listen to more people's encounters makes

798
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:30.960
me want to get out and kind of try to

799
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:32.360
experience more things.

800
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:39.760
I think. I think there's something to that, definitely. Yeah, Yeah,

801
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:43.320
I think when you're you're studying different things like this,

802
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:46.599
you are going to be familiar with certain things that

803
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:50.400
if you had just heard a weird bird in the

804
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:53.480
woods that didn't really sound like a bird, you'd probably

805
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:56.920
think that's just a weird bird. But then yeah, if

806
00:49:56.920 --> 00:50:01.079
you're maybe familiar with bigfoot stuff, you might be thinking

807
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:04.039
some other stuff too, So I totally get it. You

808
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:07.519
also had some some things happen after that. Correct.

809
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:13.159
Yes, it's kind of my most recent experience that I had,

810
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:18.320
and again it's a more like audible experience, but it

811
00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:22.639
was my first time going out with kind of the

812
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:28.840
newer knowledge and ideas and possibilities about them. And after

813
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:32.280
learning that, I had been wanting to go out and

814
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:37.840
find an area where I could try to maybe i'd like.

815
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:40.320
People use the word habituation. I think I learned that

816
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:45.079
from listening to your podcast, but basically something like that,

817
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:47.320
where I'd go and I try to bring gifts and

818
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:50.280
see if I could, you know, maybe stir things up.

819
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:55.599
And the other thing too was the method of people

820
00:50:56.159 --> 00:50:59.440
going out and just talking out loud in the woods.

821
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:05.119
And it felt very strange to me to like try

822
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:06.960
to do that, and you know, I kind of laughed

823
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:10.119
at myself or felt silly for doing it, but that

824
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:11.920
was kind of my intention, was to go out and

825
00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:16.480
find a spot and try those things. And at the

826
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:19.559
time I was living in Venitas before I moved out

827
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:22.400
to Cottage grove. I was twenty nine, so this was

828
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:27.920
spring of twenty twenty three, and I decided to head

829
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:33.239
west towards like the sayus Law National Forest. And I

830
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:36.880
was driving around for quite a while and nothing was

831
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:39.880
really you know popping out or there wasn't like the

832
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:44.679
perfect turnoff the area, and I wasn't really sure exactly

833
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:46.360
what I was looking for. I just kind of you know,

834
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:51.880
winging it. And then I noticed this gate that's blocking

835
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:56.840
off this cement bridge and I noticed it was going

836
00:51:56.960 --> 00:52:00.320
over the bridge was you know, over the saius Law River.

837
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:02.880
So I decided to just pull out. And I was like, oh,

838
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:06.599
I just want to see the water and maybe experienced

839
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:10.119
in like nice nature spot for a second. So I

840
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:13.519
just got out and took a break and parked my

841
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:16.519
car in front of the gate, and I walk around

842
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:21.039
the gate and onto the bridge, and there's a bunch

843
00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:25.119
of like old leaf debris, pine needles, you know, like

844
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:28.559
little twigs and stuff that had fallen. And so I

845
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:31.960
could tell that it wasn't like they hadn't used. I

846
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:35.280
assumed it was kind of like leading towards like a

847
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:39.840
logging operation road or something, but didn't seem like anyone

848
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:42.079
had driven across it for a while, and then on

849
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:45.280
the opposite side was kind of some overgrown grass that

850
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:51.800
maybe had old tire mark tread lines. But yeah, So

851
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:54.239
I start walking on the bridge and I get about

852
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:58.000
like five or six feet in and I hear this

853
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:03.280
knock from underneath the bridge. But it sounded metallic, like

854
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:06.440
something knocked on. Like the first thing that popped in

855
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:09.239
my head was like the metal support of beam underneath

856
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:13.320
or something like that. And because it definitely came from

857
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:18.039
below me, and it was definitely like a tin kind

858
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:22.320
of knocking sound, and I stopped and listened for a

859
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:25.639
second and was like, hm, maybe that was just kind

860
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:28.719
of something settling and making a noise. I don't know,

861
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:32.719
So I kept walking. I stopped in the middle for

862
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:37.920
a second, and then I continued towards the other end

863
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:40.840
of the bridge, and just before I reached the end

864
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:45.039
of the bridge on the opposite side, I heard it again,

865
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:49.800
except funny enough, it didn't sound like a perfect little knock.

866
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:55.159
It sounded like something tried to slap the metal beam

867
00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:58.280
or whatever it was with like its finger, and like

868
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:01.159
didn't hit it just right, so it was like it

869
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:05.400
didn't come out. It was like quieter, and it almost

870
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:08.400
sounded like a misfire knock. If that makes sense, I

871
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:12.199
don't know, because I don't know, And maybe that was

872
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:14.480
intentional the way it sounded, but it sounded to me

873
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:18.639
like I could hear the like fingers smacking it, but

874
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:21.239
not as you know, loud as they intended to kind

875
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:26.599
of thing. And then I so at that point I

876
00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:30.440
was like, Okay, that's weird those noises, and I started

877
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:33.639
to walk very quietly, like as quiet as I could,

878
00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:37.599
across the debris back to my car in case, you know,

879
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:39.519
I had the idea of like, oh, maybe there's a

880
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:41.719
person under there. I should maybe be conscious of that.

881
00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:43.559
And you know, I'm a girl out in the woods

882
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:46.079
out here all by myself without any cell phone service.

883
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:50.119
So I slowly start to walk back towards my car,

884
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:53.400
and when I hit almost the end of the bridge

885
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:58.960
again it happens and it's another more of a knock sound,

886
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:03.840
but it was even quiet, so I couldn't And at

887
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:05.840
this point I think I was recording on my phone

888
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:08.280
and I tried to pick it up, but I it

889
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:13.559
didn't pick up the knocking noises. And then I'm standing

890
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:15.960
at my car and thinking, you know, if it was

891
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:18.400
a person that I was trying to like scare me

892
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:22.960
out of here, there'd probably be more noises than just

893
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:26.239
the knocking, and you know, like maybe if they were

894
00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:29.480
trying to really get me out of this area. And

895
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:33.599
then I had the idea of like, oh, maybe those

896
00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:37.719
were you know, like knocks to tell me that I

897
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:41.199
found a spot. You know, like maybe that's what that

898
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:45.199
just was. I don't know, so, and I didn't feel

899
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:48.639
in danger or anything, like, it's really peaceful out there.

900
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:52.599
So I decided to just go back on the bridge

901
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:56.119
and grab my phone and to lean over the edge

902
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:59.119
of the bridge in the middle and to try to

903
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:03.119
record with my camera like both sides underneath to see

904
00:56:03.159 --> 00:56:06.400
if somebody or something was down there. So I like

905
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:10.639
really carefully grabbed my phone, just like really hoping I

906
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:12.880
wasn't about to, you know, drop it in the water,

907
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:16.559
and I pan it from one side to the other

908
00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:20.280
and pull it back up, open my camera roll and look,

909
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:24.280
and there's nothing down there, Like there's nobody, and the

910
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:27.800
water's fairly high. There's like a little bit of a

911
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:30.320
ledge where somebody could stand, but it's kind of steep,

912
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:35.440
so I couldn't imagine someone hiding under there without you know,

913
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:39.559
struggling with balance. And you know, it's kind of like

914
00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:42.639
that clay type soil too, so it'd be kind of slick,

915
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:46.920
and I just I couldn't imagine how someone would be

916
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:52.000
down there hanging out. But and then there was a

917
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:54.320
lot of overgrown brush on both sides. I'm sure you

918
00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:57.039
could kind of move your way down there underneath the bridge,

919
00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:00.840
but there was no obvious, like even game trail leading

920
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:03.920
down there, and you'd make quite a bit of noise

921
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:07.159
walking around in it. There's just like a lot of

922
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:11.559
crunchy leaves and little twigs on the ground. So aside

923
00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:15.440
from the knox, I didn't hear anything else, so I

924
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:19.199
kind of just said, Okay, maybe that was confirmation that

925
00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:22.159
I found my spot. So I went back to my

926
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:28.599
car and I grabbed some gifts quote unquote, I just

927
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:31.920
kind of brought like I had some old stones or

928
00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:36.800
crystals that I didn't really need anymore, and I think

929
00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:41.719
I grabbed a couple of seashells, and then I had

930
00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:46.679
apples and ausie bites, which are really good. They're kind

931
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:49.400
of like a healthy snack or whatever. I just kind

932
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.880
of grabbed things that I had at home, and I

933
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:57.639
decided to set them on kind of the ledge on

934
00:57:57.679 --> 00:58:01.519
the side of the bridge there and them, and I

935
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:03.760
was like, Okay, I guess now would be a good

936
00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:06.800
time for me to attempt to talk out loud if

937
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:10.440
there's like anything out here. So I start talking out

938
00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:14.079
loud and I feel totally ridiculous, and I'm doing this

939
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:19.360
from so I yeah. I went back on the bridge

940
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:21.320
and I'm standing in the middle of the bridge kind

941
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:23.679
of talking in the direction of my car and the

942
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:30.880
road and that direction. And as I'm talking, I just

943
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:34.440
kind of like introduced myself and I was like, I

944
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:41.880
you know that I believe in them existing out here,

945
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:48.159
and that you know that it's hard for me to

946
00:58:48.199 --> 00:58:50.159
be out in the woods by myself because I had

947
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:52.599
an idea I had to like just be authentic, and

948
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:57.159
so I was like, I'm a little bit fearful, So

949
00:58:57.280 --> 00:58:58.639
this is like a lot for me to come out

950
00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:01.280
in the woods alone. And you know, it just was

951
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:03.440
kind of silly. I cut out that part of my

952
00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:06.639
recording because I can't like listen back to it. It

953
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:10.599
just sounds ridiculous. But as I was talking, I just

954
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:16.280
got this really strong just I guess the best I

955
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:18.599
can explain. It is like my whole body was just

956
00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:23.719
like zinging, just like I don't even know if I

957
00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:26.519
would call it like vibration or something. It just felt

958
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:30.639
like my whole almost like an adrenaline rush, and it

959
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:36.599
felt like something was very close and like listening to me,

960
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:40.320
and it was just all over, like my whole body

961
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:43.320
just took over and this like feeling of like I

962
00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:45.639
don't I don't even know how to really describe it.

963
00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:50.920
I had never felt anything that strong before and it

964
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:53.480
took me off guard and I had to kind of

965
00:59:53.559 --> 00:59:59.199
like take a deep breath and nothing. I wasn't hearing

966
00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:05.320
anything around me. I just had that moment of feeling that,

967
01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:10.360
you know, physical sensation. And so it was also getting

968
01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:13.960
dark at this point. The sun wasn't fully set yet,

969
01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:16.079
but there's a lot of tree canopy, so as it

970
01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:19.360
was starting to move that direction, it got darker and

971
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:23.480
darker pretty quick, and I didn't think I was ready

972
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:25.679
to be in the dark in the woods by myself,

973
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:28.679
So I was like, I better wrap this up, and

974
01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:31.239
you know, I'm not hearing anything, And in the moment,

975
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:36.480
I didn't really take very seriously the physical sensation that

976
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:40.679
I felt. I just tried to kind of move through it,

977
01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:47.159
and so but in my recording, I I after I

978
01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:49.800
was done talking, I was trying to wrap it up,

979
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:53.039
and I kind of dorkishly said like, oh, like you

980
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:58.280
live in a really beautiful place. And then I took

981
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:01.760
this big like saw, like trying to calm myself down.

982
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:07.519
And right after I took that big exhale, something in

983
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:10.639
the woods across the road in front of my car

984
01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:14.320
let out what sounded to me in the moment like

985
01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:19.480
a really deep sigh, and it was very loud, and

986
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:25.960
it completely caught me off guard because it sounded, I mean,

987
01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:29.039
it sounded perfectly like a sigh, almost like it mimicked

988
01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:33.679
my sigh. And I even heard pitch changed, like it

989
01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:38.679
was like a who, like you heard three tones change beig.

990
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:41.280
So a society will be right back after these messages.

991
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:01.880
And of course I can't do it justice, but it

992
01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:07.719
I just I was in shock, and weirdly enough, I

993
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:11.960
recognized I mean, you can't say you recognize the voice,

994
01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:17.880
but like I've listened to stuff from like a lot

995
01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:23.880
of audio from Sasquatch, Ontario or Mike I can't think

996
01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:27.119
of his last name, but the like the tone of

997
01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:31.639
the the voice or sound. I guess it reminded me

998
01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:33.559
a lot like that like that at the moment I

999
01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:35.599
heard it, it like clicked in my brain. It was

1000
01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:41.159
like that was one of them. And I immediately just

1001
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:43.519
like my stomach dropped and I was just kind of

1002
01:02:43.559 --> 01:02:48.440
in shock, and I was like, oh crap, like that

1003
01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:51.599
came from closer to where my car is, and I

1004
01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:54.400
have to walk that direction and it's getting really dark now,

1005
01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:59.760
like I'm I'm scared, and so I just out loud

1006
01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:03.440
said like okay, like thank you, I need to walk

1007
01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:05.639
back to my car now, so if you could please

1008
01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:08.719
just give me some space. And so I just like

1009
01:03:08.840 --> 01:03:12.679
my whole body is now shaking out of fear, and

1010
01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:15.880
I'm like trembling, and I'm walking back to my car

1011
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:18.400
and I and I get in the car and I

1012
01:03:18.440 --> 01:03:20.599
lock the door and I turn on my car and

1013
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:23.480
I immediately just start leaving because I couldn't handle it.

1014
01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:26.920
It was such a weird physical reaction, like my hands

1015
01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:31.079
were on the steering wheel and just like like shaking.

1016
01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:34.679
I couldn't calm myself down. I was like okay, like

1017
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:39.480
it's okay, We're in the car. It's safe, and you know,

1018
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:41.639
like realizing, you know, you kind of asked for this,

1019
01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:43.679
this is what we came out here to experience. But

1020
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:49.239
I just I didn't expect such a physical reaction to it.

1021
01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:53.840
And I really didn't think about that part of this

1022
01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:57.159
experience until I started listening to like more things on

1023
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:05.199
your podcast or some other people and listening or hearing

1024
01:04:05.239 --> 01:04:09.960
other people mention the physical reactions or yeah, responses that

1025
01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:14.920
they get from interactions. That was a piece that I

1026
01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:20.320
never really thought about, I guess, but yeah, that I

1027
01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:22.119
just kind of took away from it. You know. I

1028
01:04:22.159 --> 01:04:24.599
had the recording and I shared it with like my

1029
01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:27.639
mom and my sister, but of course it does not

1030
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:31.159
do it justice because it's so I was on the

1031
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:34.840
bridge with my phone recording and this thing. I'm not

1032
01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:37.800
good at judging distance as far as like, you know,

1033
01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:40.159
how many feet away, but you know, I was in

1034
01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:43.039
the middle of the bridge, and then there's the gate,

1035
01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:46.400
my car a road, and then it was a little

1036
01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:48.920
set back in the woods just on the other side

1037
01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:53.360
of the car or on the other side of the road,

1038
01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:56.760
and so it's a lot quieter, and I had to

1039
01:04:56.840 --> 01:05:01.079
kind of try to enhance the recording. I called it

1040
01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:04.400
the si Use law. Who, because in the recording it

1041
01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:10.079
sounds almost like a who instead of a sigh, but

1042
01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:13.760
in person, I heard like it seemed so much more

1043
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:18.280
drawn out, like a longer sound, and I heard the

1044
01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:22.840
pitch tone like three times, Like it doesn't do it justice.

1045
01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:27.159
But anyways, I have the recording of it, and it

1046
01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:30.960
was the most intense thing I think I've experienced the date,

1047
01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:34.639
and I've been a little too afraid to go back

1048
01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:37.840
by myself since then, but I want to muster up

1049
01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:41.199
the courage to go back out there because that's what

1050
01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:45.199
I was hoping for. It's just you just don't expect yourself,

1051
01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:49.039
you know. It's like until you experience something like more

1052
01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:52.280
than you ever thought you would, it's like it just

1053
01:05:52.360 --> 01:05:54.920
doesn't really set in that you know how that can

1054
01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:58.400
affect you, and trying to like overcome the fearful side

1055
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:03.519
of it and stay and collected or to return even

1056
01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:08.880
and try to experience more. So, Yeah, it's kind of wild.

1057
01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:13.480
That's that's absolutely wild. And it's another example of where

1058
01:06:13.639 --> 01:06:18.159
something responded to you almost immediately, which is really really cool.

1059
01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:21.199
Yeah, yeah, I didn't think about it that way.

1060
01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:24.079
But yeah, is that the audio that you had sent

1061
01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:24.639
over to me?

1062
01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:26.960
Yes, it is.

1063
01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:30.719
Should we should we try to put it in? Are

1064
01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:31.400
you okay with that?

1065
01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:36.559
Yeah? Totally fine. Maybe just like heads up to people

1066
01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:39.239
if they have hadphones on the white noise can be

1067
01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:43.760
a little bit loud, but yeah, yeah, go for it.

1068
01:06:44.199 --> 01:06:47.320
Yeah, good call on that. I'm gonna play it through

1069
01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:51.920
three times. It's it's quick, but you can always rewind

1070
01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:53.199
as well. So here we go.

1071
01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:01.199
Man.

1072
01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:05.360
Knowing the context of that sound now is incredible, just

1073
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:07.119
thinking of the story you just told.

1074
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:13.559
Wow, it was. Yeah. When I listened to that audio,

1075
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:15.840
I'm like, because it just doesn't do it justice. You know.

1076
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:18.000
I had to like I have to like sit in

1077
01:07:18.039 --> 01:07:20.320
my brain and think, Okay, this is how it sounded

1078
01:07:20.360 --> 01:07:23.400
in the moment, like remember that because that bool Just

1079
01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:27.800
thinking about that will give me chills. And I even

1080
01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:29.639
you know, I didn't have phone service out there, but

1081
01:07:29.679 --> 01:07:31.800
I found a single bar. On the drive home, I

1082
01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:34.400
couldn't make it home before I had to call my

1083
01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:36.800
mom and I told her what happened. And as I

1084
01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:42.159
was telling her, I got like emotional, which was so weird,

1085
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:44.440
Like it just popped up out of nowhere, Like I

1086
01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:48.239
just started getting emotional, like and it wasn't really the

1087
01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:50.800
fear it just like I think I was in just

1088
01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:54.639
complete shock, and it was like things I've heard, you know,

1089
01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:58.400
through other people that put out content or whatever, and

1090
01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:02.039
it was like I heard that in real life, and

1091
01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:06.079
I think I was just in awe that that happened

1092
01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:08.719
to me. It seems like something that very few people

1093
01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:13.239
get to hear, and yeah, I was just in shock.

1094
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:23.319
It is. It's very strange when as humans we you know,

1095
01:08:23.439 --> 01:08:27.399
start to look for certain things. And maybe there's an

1096
01:08:27.439 --> 01:08:29.319
old saying that has been said to me over the

1097
01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:32.199
last few years and maybe even you too, where it's

1098
01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:37.079
like be careful what you wish for. When that actually

1099
01:08:37.159 --> 01:08:40.119
when things start to change and you start to experience things,

1100
01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:44.640
it is a thing where it gets you get very

1101
01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:48.680
emotional and it is hard to deal with, especially in

1102
01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:52.840
the moment. I had some things happen out in Oakridge,

1103
01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:59.000
and it's really hard to control how you respond in

1104
01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:01.720
that moment. So yeah, I totally I totally get it.

1105
01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:06.359
Yeah, And it can take you, Yeah, I can take

1106
01:09:06.399 --> 01:09:11.159
you off guard. And I think it might have even

1107
01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:15.399
been in like Tobe's book or an interview he was saying,

1108
01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:18.640
but someone that he went out with and they were

1109
01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:21.880
trying to walk in the direction of a sound, and

1110
01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:24.319
this guy he was with was typically kind of like

1111
01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:27.520
a tough, manly man, and how he just like was

1112
01:09:27.640 --> 01:09:30.640
immediately just had so much fear rush over him, almost

1113
01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:32.880
to the point of tears, and he was like upset,

1114
01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:36.279
and I was like, oh, my gosh, that's I mean.

1115
01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:39.039
I wasn't like upset, but I was just the same thing.

1116
01:09:39.079 --> 01:09:42.760
And I was like, oh, other people are experiencing like

1117
01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:46.279
physical reactions to this, and that's just the side of

1118
01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:52.520
it that I didn't really think about before. So it's yeah, really.

1119
01:09:52.239 --> 01:09:56.960
Interesting having experienced that. Now, what is your viewpoint towards

1120
01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.319
that area. Is it that you want to go back

1121
01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:03.119
a lot? Or like man, maybe maybe.

1122
01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:09.279
Not, or I do. The timing was a little bit

1123
01:10:09.359 --> 01:10:12.079
unfortunate because I just kind of started a new career

1124
01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:17.439
and then I moved also down to Cottage Grove, So

1125
01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:21.560
at the time I was only like, probably I was

1126
01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:24.239
less than an hour away from the spot, and now

1127
01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:27.279
I'm probably more like an hour and a half hour

1128
01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:32.760
and forty five minutes, so it's not as easy to access,

1129
01:10:33.039 --> 01:10:35.319
like time wise and stuff for me. But I want

1130
01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:37.479
to make a point to go back out there because

1131
01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:40.920
I felt like, you know, I didn't feel like I

1132
01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:43.479
was in danger or anything. I just knew it was

1133
01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:47.359
my own fear bubbling up to the service. So a

1134
01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:49.640
part of me also wanted to work on trying to

1135
01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:52.279
I don't know how I could do that, but other

1136
01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:55.520
than just getting out there, but trying to work on,

1137
01:10:56.119 --> 01:10:59.920
you know, staying I guess grounded and not let my emotions,

1138
01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:03.439
you know, take over and make me want to leave

1139
01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:05.960
sort of a thing. But I know I would love

1140
01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:12.720
to go out there and continue like gifting and maybe

1141
01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:17.399
trying to car camp overnight there. And I'm not opposed

1142
01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:20.079
to like bringing a friend with me or like I've

1143
01:11:20.159 --> 01:11:23.840
been back out there since then with my mom, and

1144
01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:27.840
I brought my sister out there one time, and we've

1145
01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:34.520
heard some interesting stuff. But like, I tend to not

1146
01:11:35.079 --> 01:11:37.479
mention this one as much because of course it's easy

1147
01:11:37.560 --> 01:11:41.079
to you know, our brains can sometimes see things or

1148
01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:43.079
mess with us a little bit. But then one of

1149
01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:45.079
the nights I brought my mom back out there with me,

1150
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:47.720
and it was dark, but there was a little bit

1151
01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:52.920
of moonlight kind of shining through you know, the forest

1152
01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:55.800
a little bit, and We're standing out there and I'm

1153
01:11:55.880 --> 01:11:58.600
looking in the direction of this, like I can see

1154
01:11:58.760 --> 01:12:03.760
the outline of like this big trunked tree, and just

1155
01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:06.680
to the right of it, I'm like squinting my eyes

1156
01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:09.439
and looking because I noticed like a shape and I

1157
01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:13.479
just perfectly see like this head shoulders and then straight

1158
01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:17.399
down and I'm looking and I'm like, there's no way,

1159
01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:19.760
Like I think my mind's playing tricks on me, because

1160
01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:25.720
if that is something, it is massive, like really big,

1161
01:12:26.279 --> 01:12:31.079
and it's not very that was probably less than fifty

1162
01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:34.000
feet from us. If I was guessing, I'm not the

1163
01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:37.159
best of that. But and so I didn't say anything

1164
01:12:37.159 --> 01:12:39.079
to my mom. I just said, hey, can we go

1165
01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:42.000
sit in the car for a second, because in case

1166
01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:46.680
it was something, I instantly just got freaked out. And

1167
01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:49.359
then we sat in the car and listened for a bit.

1168
01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:52.039
I calmed down and I was like, Okay, I'm going

1169
01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:54.520
to get back out, like I'm kind I've kind of recentered,

1170
01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:56.760
and I go back to that same spot and I

1171
01:12:56.840 --> 01:12:59.880
look for that tree. In that spot where I saw

1172
01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:05.560
a head and shoulders. There was nothing there. It was

1173
01:13:05.560 --> 01:13:08.239
like an open spot back lit by the moonlight, and

1174
01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:11.159
there was so in that moment, I was like, Okay,

1175
01:13:11.199 --> 01:13:14.520
maybe I did see the silhouette of something there. But

1176
01:13:14.720 --> 01:13:17.800
I can't be totally for sure if my eyes were

1177
01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:21.000
just adjusting and playing tricks, but I was almost certain

1178
01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:24.279
that I saw a silhouette there.

1179
01:13:25.159 --> 01:13:27.560
And I mean that's the other weird thing, because it's

1180
01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:31.520
like we get to the point where we're like, we

1181
01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:34.000
want to see stuff like that, but then when it happened,

1182
01:13:34.279 --> 01:13:39.560
we're like our logic side tries to kick in really

1183
01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:42.520
hard and it's like, yeah, there's no way that this

1184
01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:45.000
is actually happening. It's got to be this or it's

1185
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:49.399
got to be a bear. And it gets really really weird,

1186
01:13:49.439 --> 01:13:52.119
the back and forth between what I call like the

1187
01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:54.359
logical side and the bigfoot side.

1188
01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:58.880
Yeah. Yeah, because it's good to keep that, but like, yeah,

1189
01:13:58.880 --> 01:14:03.119
it can become kind of a gray area sometimes.

1190
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:08.279
So your mom didn't didn't say anything, though, sounds.

1191
01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:12.960
Like she no. She heard some you know, we'd hear

1192
01:14:13.079 --> 01:14:17.000
like stick breaks and sounded like something walking around us

1193
01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:20.079
in the woods. But she got creeped out because in

1194
01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:24.800
the distance we actually heard barred owls and I don't

1195
01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:28.199
know if you've heard them go off, but they tend

1196
01:14:28.279 --> 01:14:32.520
to almost sound a little bit like a monkey, and

1197
01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:36.359
it sounded like babies in a nest and I instantly

1198
01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:39.039
knew what it was when it went off, but that

1199
01:14:39.159 --> 01:14:41.439
freaked her out and she's like, what is that like?

1200
01:14:41.680 --> 01:14:43.199
And I tried to tell her. I was like, it's okay,

1201
01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:45.800
like those are barred owls. And she went and sat

1202
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:49.119
in the car for a minute. But she was able

1203
01:14:49.159 --> 01:14:52.239
to like come back out and hang out for a bit,

1204
01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:55.720
and she's she's fun to go and listen with. She'll

1205
01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:57.640
just kind of be quiet and listen to all the

1206
01:14:57.720 --> 01:15:02.439
sounds with me. And yeah, she's a fun one to

1207
01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:04.399
go big flitting with.

1208
01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:07.640
And so this is a this is a pretty recent

1209
01:15:07.680 --> 01:15:11.079
thing though, So this is like now we're we're pretty

1210
01:15:11.159 --> 01:15:13.079
much this all is happening current day.

1211
01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:18.279
It sounds like, yeah, I have I think the last

1212
01:15:18.279 --> 01:15:22.279
time I went out was maybe in May, and I

1213
01:15:22.359 --> 01:15:24.079
just wanted to go out there and see if like

1214
01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:26.760
the area had changed, and I have a dog now,

1215
01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:31.079
so I brought my dog out with me and nothing,

1216
01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:32.760
you know, it kind of looked the same. It looked

1217
01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:36.399
like they were utilizing that road again because the bridge

1218
01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:40.600
was totally cleaned off, but the gate was still closed.

1219
01:15:40.760 --> 01:15:43.760
And then I didn't really pick up on any noises

1220
01:15:43.800 --> 01:15:46.880
out there, and I think that's pretty normal for the daytime.

1221
01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:50.199
It's just kind of like the bird sounds. But no,

1222
01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:54.760
my plan is to maybe do an overnight car camp

1223
01:15:54.760 --> 01:15:56.560
out there if I can make it, and I'll probably

1224
01:15:56.600 --> 01:15:59.960
bring a friend with me, just so that I'm not

1225
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:03.840
like is easily freaked out and try to work on that.

1226
01:16:04.079 --> 01:16:06.039
It feels a little safer when you're camping in your

1227
01:16:06.079 --> 01:16:07.199
car versus a tent.

1228
01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:10.600
Right, But yeah, I think that's that's a smart idea too, Definitely,

1229
01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:14.720
just to have that other person with you. Does your

1230
01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:17.600
dog react in any weird ways When you're out there.

1231
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:23.479
With the dog, he'll perk up to sounds and things,

1232
01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:25.720
but he didn't out there. He was just kind of

1233
01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:30.399
more interested in sniffing around. And there was a moment

1234
01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:32.960
where he was kind of looking across the other side

1235
01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:36.039
of the bridge towards like the woods that way, uh,

1236
01:16:36.520 --> 01:16:39.000
and he was focused on something for a minute, and

1237
01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:41.800
I kind of watched over there with him, but I

1238
01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:44.600
didn't see anything, and I didn't hear anything. But maybe

1239
01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:48.279
he was picking up on stuff that I just couldn't

1240
01:16:48.279 --> 01:16:53.880
see or hear. But yeah, another time I've been there,

1241
01:16:54.039 --> 01:16:56.560
I actually heard this sound. It was the daytime, just

1242
01:16:56.600 --> 01:17:01.640
sitting on the bridge from like almost below us. It

1243
01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:06.479
kind of sounded like it's a weird thing to hear,

1244
01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:09.119
but like I literally pictured it in my head as

1245
01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:11.560
I listened to it. It was another metallic sound, but

1246
01:17:11.640 --> 01:17:15.800
it sounded like somebody had put rocks inside of a

1247
01:17:16.359 --> 01:17:20.119
like metal cage kind of thing, like a you know,

1248
01:17:20.399 --> 01:17:23.840
kind of a woven mesh metal cage thing, and we're

1249
01:17:23.920 --> 01:17:26.640
just like shaking it almost like a Morocca kind of

1250
01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:30.800
thing where you just heard like the but like rocks

1251
01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:33.159
falling into each other and stuff inside of it is

1252
01:17:33.159 --> 01:17:35.359
what it sounded like to me. I heard it three

1253
01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:38.920
times and I thought that was a peculiar kind of

1254
01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:43.680
out of place sound. But yeah, I don't know what

1255
01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:48.199
that was. And there weren't other people around us. We

1256
01:17:48.239 --> 01:17:51.199
were just pretty much just us and the birds out there, So.

1257
01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:58.640
That is very interesting. You mentioned you're done in Cottage Grove.

1258
01:17:58.960 --> 01:18:04.439
Have you ever to Tobe about any places you might

1259
01:18:04.479 --> 01:18:06.479
be able to check out down there in Cottage Grove

1260
01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:08.439
since who's really really familiar with.

1261
01:18:08.399 --> 01:18:15.560
It, Yeah, definitely, and and Jeff too. I'm just like

1262
01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:20.119
my time is like tends to be limited to the

1263
01:18:20.119 --> 01:18:24.079
weekends and Jeff and I have actually gone out into

1264
01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:26.960
the woods and we haven't had too much happen. We

1265
01:18:27.000 --> 01:18:30.119
did kind of a daytime trip out into the woods,

1266
01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:35.560
and we did an evening I think it was last Sunday,

1267
01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:38.880
and it's kind of just turned into us like sharing

1268
01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:42.479
our own personal stories and you know, talking about the topics.

1269
01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:47.800
But hopefully, like you know, some we'll get some stuff

1270
01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:51.520
down the line. But I just I'm limited because I

1271
01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:54.880
drive like a Prius and so my car does not

1272
01:18:55.079 --> 01:19:00.039
really handle some of the back roads that well. So

1273
01:19:00.199 --> 01:19:04.319
I kind of either have to like hit your ride

1274
01:19:04.319 --> 01:19:07.560
and line it up with one of them or with Jeff,

1275
01:19:07.680 --> 01:19:11.039
or wait till I have kind of a four wheel

1276
01:19:11.079 --> 01:19:15.199
drive option. But yeah, and I plan on making it

1277
01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:21.359
too tobes puting together that the Olympic Strange Days. I

1278
01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:23.600
don't know if you've heard about that, but I'm planning

1279
01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:27.359
to attend that as long as I can find either

1280
01:19:27.439 --> 01:19:32.479
hitch a ride or find a rig that I could

1281
01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:36.399
drive because those roads get pretty gnarly. But yeah, I'm

1282
01:19:36.600 --> 01:19:39.279
planning to get out into the woods more and kind

1283
01:19:39.319 --> 01:19:42.800
of just dive a little deeper into all of this

1284
01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:45.000
because it's you know, when I have my free time.

1285
01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:46.760
That's what I want to be doing.

1286
01:19:48.079 --> 01:19:51.199
Alicia, thank you for coming on the show and sharing

1287
01:19:51.199 --> 01:19:53.920
what you've experienced over the last few years. Definitely keep

1288
01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:58.960
us in the loop with what goes on in the

1289
01:19:58.960 --> 01:20:02.600
future in this area that you've found. It sounds very

1290
01:20:02.600 --> 01:20:05.279
interesting and there could be some really cool things that

1291
01:20:05.319 --> 01:20:06.439
happen from it.

1292
01:20:07.359 --> 01:20:13.159
Yeah, definitely, I will. Hopefully maybe in a year from

1293
01:20:13.159 --> 01:20:17.079
now or something, I'll have plenty of activity or experiences

1294
01:20:17.119 --> 01:20:18.840
to share with you. Thank you.

1295
01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:22.760
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1314
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you there, and again, thanks for listening.

1315
01:22:17.439 --> 01:22:18.880
Her and I can get on here. We can tell

1316
01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:22.199
our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening that's

1317
01:22:22.239 --> 01:22:25.159
too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give

1318
01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:27.960
them the courage to come out. And I feel so

1319
01:22:28.119 --> 01:22:28.720
bad about it.

1320
01:22:29.159 --> 01:22:30.880
Who cares what anybody's thinks.

1321
01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:33.239
I know what I saw, I know what's out there.

1322
01:22:34.119 --> 01:22:53.279
That's all I care about. Please let people know, Please

1323
01:22:53.439 --> 01:22:56.640
let them know. If you ever see one of these things,

1324
01:22:57.119 --> 01:23:00.560
you need you tell because if you don't, and shame

1325
01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:13.720
on you, you know, shame on you.