Crying Alone—Then Bigfoot Appeared | West Virginia

0:00 You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails in remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, big for Society get the privilege of talking to Beth Duncan today from West Virginia. Beth is a Bigfoot researcher, investigator in witness and happy to have Beth on the show today. It's been a long time coming, but it'd be great to hear what she has to share from this area of West Virginia.

0:50 But welcome to the show, Beth. How are you doing today, I'm doing amazing. Thank you so much for having me. I want to start out. I'm from the southern West Virginia and I have quite a few stories, but I would like to start out with a few people in my family stories. First, I lived well. We lived in southern West Virginia and deep in the Appalachian Mountains. When my grandfather used to go fox hunting, and he would go back up into the mountains, and there was a place up in there that he always warned us about going, but he always liked going up there himself to hunt. And one time he went up and they called it the Meadow Hill Holler. And when he went up in that holler, something pushed him on both of his shoulders down a hill, and he dropped his weapon and had to grab and pick it up and start back down the hill. And he said that he was his feet was moving so fast that he couldn't keep up, and he kept tripping.

1:50 Down the mountain. My mama, now Papa, always called him the old men of the Mountain, and I always thought that they were some sort of hobo were I really didn't know what the old Men of the Mountain really was, but I knew that it was something that I was supposed to be afraid of, that makes sense. And I knew that there were certain places up in there that I wasn't supposed to go. Now, Mama, her family on her side. They always called them burgers, mountain burgers, or just burgers, and there was place up in the holler she would say, don't go up there. The burgers will get you. So we always had this healthy fear of certain places up in the holler. Now Oirland, we have one hundred acres of land, which it's a pretty big place up in there. And the way that this land is constructed is there is a road that goes up the haller and on both sides is mountains and in between this is the road and like the little garden plots, and when you get to the head of the holler is a big field and then it backs up. You go up back up the mountain and you get to the power lines and like the telephone poles and stuff. I'm trying to give you an idea, so when I tell my stories, you guys would kind of understand, you know, how.

3:18 Everything looks Now. When Mama used to tell us not to go up in there, they had stories that they always told about things happening to the m. And also when we were little and we. Was up at the head of the holler, up the spring, we were gathering water and they kept hearing something rustling in the tree line and we couldn't see anything. But eventually it got to the point where it nerved them enough that they told us that we needed to gather our things. And we needed to start walking out of holler. And I can see on Popaul's face, but it was something serious, and they wouldn't really tell us what it was. But I knew that I needed to listen to you and to do what they told us to do. And they kept telling us, and it was about a mile walk out of there, and they kept telling us, do not run.

4:08 Whatever you do, don't run. What you do is you just keep your head in front of you and just keep it steady pace and don't look up on the side of the hill, and just don't run. So we knew that there was something to worry about, but we didn't know what it was. And later on they kept saying it probably was a bear, probably was a bear. But when we got older, you know, it was kind of said to us that it was one of the woodburggers or the old men of the mountain. Let's see. Now, they always had this thing that they would tell us it was the ghosts in the creek, the ghost horses in the creek, and they always tell us about the ghost horses that at night time, that you would hear these ghost horses in the creek and they would go up and down the holler, all the way up and down the haller up and down the creek, and you can hear clint flint clunt, just like how horses would do. And when you would stop walking, they would stop walking. Well, later on, you know, like this is after I started investigating. I put my recorder out there and lo and behold, guess what it was. It was the Sasquatch. Let's see what else. Oh, my aunt, my aunt has had accounts of something throwing rocks at her house, and she's also seen it was like almost getting dark and she could see something that ran down the creek and up the hill. And my other aunt actually watched this big black shadow jump in her five foot dog

5:39 lot and jump back out and run up the mountain screaming. Right down the road from my holler is a state park that we have, and I'm not going to mention the names or anything, but it's a really beautiful place and you know, we played there since we were little and had no idea that anything could have like sasquaduch could inhabit that place. You know, we had no clue about that stuff forward a little. But anyway, so my friend Rachel actually had an account at the park. Her and her husband were parked right there. It's only two miles for my house, but they were parked at the park and they were in one of the parking lots and they were eating and it was nighttime, and she said that you couldn't see a hand in front of your face, you know. They turned out the lights and the vehicle and they were just sitting there and after they got finished eating, she flicked a cigarette out the window. And as soon as she flicked that cigarette out the window, something had jumped on the back.

6:38 Of their vehicle. And they had one of these little compact like SUVs, but it was compact. It was these like little tiny broncos, and whatever it was was jumping on the back of her vehicle, and it noticed that if it would jump a little faster and harder, that it could hold them the front of the vehicle up. So it was doing that and eventually it jumped off and the vehicle actually slammed back to the ground and her husband finally got it put in gear and took off because they couldn't go anywhere when it. Was up like that. But when it fell back down to the ground, they took off and this little road out of there was really really curry, and they got almost halfway out with something grabbed the vehicle again and almost pushed them off the road. And she actually said for years, whatever it was, they had the handprint of it on the tire where it grabbed the tire and tried to push the tire.

7:32 My brother was actually riding up the haller and he was on his four wheeler and he had his weapon and his gun ice hip, and he had my niece on the back of his daughter. And while they were riding up the haller, my knee cellar rock fly out of the woodline and it hit right on his gun, and that he said that they flew out of there. He felt it hit and he asked her what it was and she was like, I have no idea that it came flying out of the holler. One day last year, I was standing on the porch and this is so weird because my porch is like thirty feet from the woodline and I had just a rabbit foot, like a just the bone and all rabbit foot fly right in on my porch and land right at my feet. I'm not saying that it was sasquatch, but I'm just saying that that was.

8:25 Very weird, which I believe it was. There's this legend about the Poke Mountain monster that everybody talks about around this area, and it's a sasquatch. They talk about this sasquatch that lives in this area. And back in the fifties and sixties and seventies and eighties, like all, everybody seen this monster and it frequented so much that that back to the end, most of the residents around here had seen it. And since we're speaking about that here recently, in the last year, actually there were nine sides at the local park that I lived by. Not only that, but my neighbors four of them have solid in the last ten years. So now I want to go ahead and start out by telling my story because I wanted to let everybody know, like the history of this place and what we've had to endure all our lives before I tell my story. And I thought it would be good to tell about the Holler two, So you guys kind of get an idea of where I came from and about my grandparents. But my story what happened to me was back in two thousand and I think it was seventeen eighteen somewhere, and there I was going through a lot. I had ex boyfriend that was really horrible to me, and he had ended up in prison. I had split up with him. I told him,

9:56 you know, I don't want nothing to. Do with you anymore. You need to leave me alone. And when that happened, he got angry and he ended up in prison, and he would call me from prison and he would really really bother me, wouldn't leave me alone, and it was to the point where I would want to cry, couldn't cry in front of my kids, and I'd have to go for walks and you know, relieve myself and cry and just feel better. On this certain day, the day that all this happened, he had called me and you know, made me feel horrible and made me feel like I needed to cry, and I wouldn't cry in front of my kids. So I had my daughter, which was eighteen I was seventeen at the time. I had her to watch the two boys which was my little boy. The littlest one was one and TJ he was I think fifteen fourteen fifteen, and so I had her to watch them while I walked up the holler.

10:57 And I noticed as I was looking up the holler that it just things weren't feeling right, even in my emotional state, like things just in the holler weren't right. There were the birds I didn't see, and this this holler has so much deer, and there were no deer. It was so quiet. And you know, I thought about after I got so far up there, turning around and coming home. But I thought, you know, if I don't go up there and just you know, relax and and calm down, then it's not going to help it yet. So I continued up the mountain. I got up the holler and then turned back around to go up the mountain to the power lines in the graveyard, which is at the very top of their property on the one hundred acres. And I get up to the graveyard and I sit there for a little while, and then I get up and I walk up to the power lines, which at the power lines, it's absolutely gorgeous because it's on the top of the mountain, and you can see everything from the top of that mountain, and it's just beautiful up there. I was sitting there and I started to cry, and I was a mess, like emotionally a mess, and I was crying my eyes out, and you know, finally I was kind of getting a hold of myself and I took my glasses off and I was cleaning my glasses and over the hill to the left, I hear like this.

12:29 It was like a grunt, like a really deep grunt. And because I'd never heard anything like that, the way that my mind kind of thought of it was like a deer, a really deep deer grunt, but deeper, way deeper like, and I had a rest be kind of a sound to it, if that makes sense. And what I did was I wiped my glasses off and I put my glasses back on my face and I turned to the left and looked over the hill. And when I did that, I actually. It was such a shock to see what I saw because I had never in my life seen anything like that.

13:10 And what I saw was a sasquatch and he was standing over the hill and he was looking at me, and it was weird because he had one of his hands against a tree, and he was kind of leaning back and forth, like just going back and forth behind that tree, just leaning and looking at me, you know, peeking back at me. I mean, he stood just. A little bit further out from the tree and was just staring at me. And at that point, like I kind of got this. It was like an eye lock with him, and I couldn't break this. This whatever it was, it was like almost like everything around him was blurry that he was almost HD like tunnel vision kind of.

13:57 It is the only way that I can describe it, because I was in such a like I was freaking out, like I didn't know what this was and he was. It scared me to death. I'm gonna tell you, it was the most traumatic thing that had ever happened to me. And to this day it makes me kind of shake talking about it. It's scary. He was a cinnamon color. His hair was like had red in it and a brown brownish red, but. When the sun hit it, you could see like the red tint in his hair. He had full lips and the only way that I could describe the nose was like those eighty treasure troll noses on the treasure trolls, very distinct brow ridge, and he didn't have a lot of hair on the face.

14:49 And then on the top he had the knot on the head, which they piled a crest. But at the time I didn't know what it was. I just I just noticed that he had like a hump on his head, and he measured after we went back and measured it at seven and a half foot tall. But as I was standing there and I was eye locked with him, I almost it was like I couldn't break this whatever I locked that I was in with this being I was. It was almost like I was so afraid to look any other way. I was scared that I don't I don't even know it was. I couldn't take my eyes off of him. And I knew that if I went in the woods behind me, that there would could possibly be more of whatever these things were. See, the only choice that I would have was to walk in front of me, which was back down the hill I came. But the way what he was, he was diagonal in front of me down over the hills, so I would have to walk past, and which meant got a little closer to him to pass. So that's what I had to do. And I finally got an enough courage to do this, and.

16:04 I could. I could remember, like my legs when I would try to walk, it felt like my legs didn't work, and they were so shaky and tingly, and. That they wouldn't hardly walk. And I remember, you know, every step felt like it was taking an eternity to get past this being. And I remember turning around to see where he was and I watched him as he didn't turn his head, but turned his whole body to watch me, and he just watched me leave. He didn't try to do anything or follow me, but he watched me leave. And I remember I kept turning around, thinking I just just please walk the other way, just please walk the other way. And finally that's what he did, Like he just started walking the other way up the mountain. And I never felt so relieved in my life. And at that point, I started running, running down the mountain. I knew, you know, like I talked about before, they taught me not to do that.

17:08 But when you're. Faced with a situation like that, it's sometimes it's just it's hard not to you know, it's it's fight or flight, and I was flying I. Was gonna fly down that mountain. I was getting out of there, and I remember getting almost home and I peed. I peed everywhere, I peed all over myself. And I was standing when I finally got home, standing at the bottom of that mountain, and my legs just felt like jello, like they wouldn't move. I was shaking. My body just felt just it was horrible, like I couldn't understand what I saw. I couldn't go home because I couldn't tell the kids at that point what I saw. So I sat at the.

17:49 Bottom of that hill and tried to ponder on what all this was. And I remember thinking, I was this, you know, all the things that we've heard from were little Is this what they've talked about all these times? Like what it was? This? And finally when I did go home, you know, I had my daughter, of course, to watch the little ones that I got gain control of my motions and everything. And I started looking into it, and I got on the internet and I tried to figure out what was going on. And I looked and the only thing that came close to what I saw, and it was the Patty film, you know, and she.

18:35 Didn't look exactly like the one that I saw. The one that I saw, he was it looked like a man, just a big, hairy man, and you know, he had the brown eyes and like I couldn't see the teeth or anything, but he just looked like a big, muscular, giant man. And I always say, you know, he was it almost looked like he was like three and a half four wide, And I know that sounds huge, but he was. He was huge, like this guy was. I'd never seen anything like it. And but anyways, I started to try to figure out what this was. And I've gotten me an audio recorder and I set up some audio.

19:19 I set my audio recorder up and I got some Yeah, I got some audio after a while of some sounds that I got, like screaming and howling, and I got on the internet and I posted it on like a couple of bigfoot pages and I was asking people, you know, do you guys know have you ever heard this sound before? And a team from Wild and Weird West Virginia had contacted me, which there who I'm associated with now, but at the time I wasn't. And they contacted me and they wanted to do come down and do an interview and take a look at the holler. Well, I agreed. To that, and they came down and you know, did a very thorough investigation and actually came up with a footprint and cassid that it's one of the clearest prints that I've ever seen. You can see all five toes and it was right down from right down in the haller.

20:14 It wasn't at the top. It was down in one of the hallers that lead up to the power line. Because if you know anything about apple Achian Mountains, it's going up and down mountains constants. There is no flat land in the up lad especially down here in the southern southern West Virginia. It's just very it's crazy down here. But the terrain is unbelievable. But so they actually got a footprint down in one of the haulers and one of the researchers he had asked me, he said, you know, because that was so scared. And I toldally when I said, you know, I don't want to go up there with you. I'm too freaked out. I just want to stay here. I'll tell you where to go. And he was like, no, you know, it will really help you to come with us.

20:55 You need to come with us, and so like he helped me along the way him and both of them did. And his name was Joe and Ron from Wild Miard, West Virginia. And they had actually talked to me about, you know, not being scared and said, you know, maybe he was just curious. Have you ever thought about you know, maybe he. Heard your voice and maybe he was curious. Maybe that's all it was. And he said, well, did he try to hurt you? And I said, well no, and he goes, well, then maybe he just was curious. And you have to think about that. You know, if he's staying hidden here, then you know he's got to know you. So you know, that really made me start thinking that, wow, you know these guys have been here, well, the Sasquatch have been here all this time, and we really just you know, we knew kind of all the old folks knew that they stayed so good and hidden from us that we really didn't have much of an idea that's what it was making all these noises, which I mean.

21:57 We thought about it. It was the thought every once in a while, but not really you know, like we didn't really believe in them. Now when they left, I started on my own journey, and I started to investigate all this on my own, and I kept sending them things and you know, casts that I took and some of the audio that I did, and they were really impressed by some of the things that I got, and they asked me if I would like to be a part of the team, and I told them, yes, I would love to. So, you know, after that, I started going back out, you know, and for a while I was scared to get back into the woods. But after that, you know, I started to go little by little back into the woods. I mean I wouldn't go far at first. It was like maybe like a few yards in a first, and then back out.

22:50 And eventually I got myself to you know, walking trails and stuff again. But it took a long time, like it really did, to get me back to where. I was able to go into the woods. Because, like so, once that you have a traumatic experience, some people can't, like some people just can't after they see something like that. But I was able to because you know, I always have to remember that, you know, they didn't try to hurt me. It didn't try to hurt me. You know, I was walking into their house and he was just like, Hey, what are you doing? You know, what's going on with you? But anyway, so. I started to really hardcore research and finding things out about these beings, and what I found out was they're not an animal. I don't think that they're an animal at all. They've got a language. The audio that I've got, they actually have a language of their own. They sound like they're taking a breath in sometimes and they're like speaking while they're breathing in.

23:51 If that makes sense. They make the cooing noises I've got cooing on audio recording, the rock planks, the tree knocks, the water sounds that they do in their mouths, the whistles, the chest beats, they chattered that they chattered their teeth, what else'll see. It's just so many things that they do. I've actually caught like it sounded like them laughing on audio. I know that some people think that they're form of gig how do you say it, giganopithecus, that I absolutely do not. Yeah, I do not think that they are giganopithecus at all. The structures that I've found that they do, they do some very cool teepee structures. And one of the ways that I'm going they do it. They find like a really scar tall tree with a y and really high up in the top of it, and they will take these other long trees and in that why they'll stick the white part, the crotch of the tree up there.

24:49 They'll stick these other sticks in between these trees and they'll make like these teepee little structures like that or not little big. The biggest one I found was like twelve thirteen feet tall. They like to twist tree branches around here like when they break, and they just don't break, and they'll twist them and it'll splinter off, like all these little shards of splintery. Well you know how you do when you twist trees. But and they liked it, Like I found a weave, an intricate little weave here that they did. And the way they did it, it was like forty feet up in the tree, and it was this limb that they had pulled down against it the tree itself. And when they did that, the limb had like two branches that they pulled around the tree and they twisted it toward it almost looked tide. And then they started it was like with the ends of the little branches that they taught right. Therefore they tied was actually like little intricate weaves and designs, and it was absolutely beautiful. And then they'll do these other little small structures that they'll lean up against these trees, and these small structures they'll take like ten or fifteen of these little little not little like six and sticks and they'll stick stick them up against this tree like and only doing it like halfway around the tree. And sometimes they'll put like these ladies rocks on these sticks that they're placing on the trees, and it looks really really neat. Sometimes still do that.

26:21 They also stack rocks here too. I've found a bunch of stacked rocks in the woods. Now I'm not gonna say that some of them aren't human, because humans do that also, but the ones that I found and the places that I've found them, sometimes it's just really hard to believe that a person would get back. In there and do it. The footprints that I've collected, the casts, I've got about I think ten or fifteen of them, maybe a little more. I've gave some to the team to put with the collection. But actually doctor Jeff and Meldrum has authenticated a few of those and Cliff Barritt and also he's got to check out my stuff, and so he thought he bragged on one and thought it was really neat. Now the way, it's hard to get a good cast from West Virginia because the terrain is so like the leaf litter New terrain.

27:11 It's just really hard to get a good cast. But when you do, you treasure it. They love to stick sticks in the ground, like a lot of the things they do here, and I think it's to mark trails and stuff, but they will stick these sticks in the ground like everywhere. You'll see them everywhere. And then they will like sometimes they'll lean another stick in one of the whe sticks, like the sticks with the V shape, they'll stick another stick in it and just leave it there like that. Or they'll lay the stick, the white stick up against a tree on both sides. And then sometimes they'll do that and they'll take a big stick and they'll lean it up against both sides of a tree and then take little sticks and put it all down.

27:57 The big stick on both sides. So they do that also, and I found that most of the tree breaks, like if they're really large tree breaks, they'll lead to like large water sources. And then I found like, if you find these smaller tree breaks, they usually lead to like smaller streams or like smaller water sources like springs or natural springs or small ponds and stuff like that. So I thought that was really interesting. Let's see, But now I found like one of my favorite structures that they'll do is when a big giant tree will fall and it makes like this divot in the ground where the roots used to be, and they'll take these big long sticks and they'll lay them from the bottom of the on the ground right before the whole, and they lay them up against the root. And it makes when they do that and they all these sticks up against it, and then they'll start throwing east on it.

29:01 It makes like this perfect little blind or this little little hole for them to crawl back up the in. And I've seen that numerous amounts of times that they do. And I also found that they use creeks and streams as like highways to get to point A and B. And especially in the Appalachian Mountains, they absolutely love to run up and down these streams because usually one of these streams will lead to the next holler. So from these creeks and these streams. They can get anywhere they want in southern West Virginia and not be seen. And I've noticed also that the lakes. They absolutely love staying around the lakes around here. I find a lot of evidence around lakes. I think that's honestly all I've got.

29:52 Yeah, I think that's about it. You definitely live in an area that sounds like it's extremely active, and I believe the way that you you you explained it to me in one of your emails, is that it's not just bigfoot in the area. There's a lot of weird stuff that happens, yeah, in this area and almost kind of like a skinwalker ranch type setup. And I can definitely get that from from things that you've told me so far. When you had your visual sighting and you were actually able to you know, you weren't breaking eye contact, which that's that's incredible. Was there any emotion to the bigfoot at all when you were looking at its face?

30:40 It was almost, you know, it was almost like empathy, like like it was almost like that it felt like I was it knew I was hurting. And it was weird because at the time, like I almost noticed I noticed that, but I was so scared that I didn't care, you know, I just I'd never seen anything like that, and it scared me. It was it was the most traumatic experience I'd ever had. And yeah, the you know, and it was weird because it had human emotion, like and that's when I started to do my research. That's another thing. That I kept hearing people talk about how they're just animals, they're just this or just that. But you know, as I'm getting like the sandwich chatter and then language and mouth clicks and pops and mouth swishes, and I'm getting like tree language even like the little glitch on the ground and all this other weird stuff like that's intelligent.

31:40 And not only that, but like I when I. Was listening to my audio, I heard, like this, a juvenile, like one of the little juveniles, like say something. Then one of the big ones like it almost it was a laugh. Like that. That's intelligence. You know, It's not just they're not just these things that I'm just a dumb animal. There's very smart. Very very smart from things I've heard over the years. And actually I can say now things i've experienced. I've not had a visual but i've experienced some weird stuff. There's definitely an intelligence there, something that can respond if you verbally say hey, are you there, can you do something?

32:26 And then it does it right, does something that's there's some intelligence there and definitely in the way that you're experiencing as well. I do wannestay. You mentioned friends Joe and Ron. They're great guys. Talk to them. They are super super guys. And I know we'll have lots of really good link links in this show because you've been on I believe you've been in some of the Small Town Monsters shows that Joe and Ron have. Out right, Yes, paranormal horizons, Yeah, there were, Yeah, there's three of them, and I'll write them down. I always forget because the. Names of them are so similar, and the names of them are the Sasquatch Mountain of Madness, Sasquatch Unleashed, and Mystery Lights and Sasquatch Holler. And I was actually on Small Town Monsters also just Thirst, which is the Mountain State edition and it's called What's in Those There Woods.

33:22 I also did a podcast on the Crypted Quest Bigfoot Hollers in West Virginia, and it's you know, and the reason I guess the reason why I want to do these podcasts that I and I want to talk to people about this is because, you know, I get I get so tired of hearing the giganopithecus theory and hearing them treat the Sasquatch as if they're just these monkeys running around not knowing what they're doing in the mountains, when there's a reason why you don't see them. You know, absolutely, I mean, they have got to be the best, I mean, the the best I had and go seek for sure. It's and it's wild too. It's not just way out in the woods. It's it's on the outskirts of civilization. As it the towns start to go into the woods, we're starting to find that out as.

34:21 Well, that you was talking about, on the outskirts of civilization. And I've noticed that a lot of national and state parks, like that's where most of these things are at, like these national parks, state parks, these these recreation national recreation centers, like the lakes, the county recreation places the Lakes, isn't that And sometimes I wonder if they go there because they know there's no hunting there, or because you know, like there's there's got to be a reason why that they're always always right there in the areas more than anywhere else. It is some it is some weird weird things for sure.

35:03 After you, after you started getting more and more into this and you know, you had your visual sighting and then other things happen as well, did you notice that this affected you when you would go back to your home or did it seem like, you know, the bigfoot stuff would stay out in the woods. They following me, like they threw rocks on top of the house. They'll slap the walls, which you know what I think of it as now you've heard of ding dong ditch, right, how the kids will run up and they'll ring the doorbell and they'll run off. Yeah, we have that. Think of it as yeah, think of it as their juveniles, these small guys, right, they have nothing else to do.

35:48 They're bored in the woods and one of mess with humans. What they're doing is they're running up, slapping the house and running off. It's nothing malicious. And you'll hear people get on there and very freaked out about this, and I'm like, oh my, this it's the end of the world that I know, it's just a game they're playing. And they'll like when they throw rocks at the top of the house. I mean last year, I got in my gutter and I got like probably two hundred bu of stones out of my gutter. I mean, it's just little things that they do. Or they'll they'll just go in the right on the edge of my property, right where the trees are, and they'll shake the trees. You can see the tops of the tree shaken. Or they'll make some try to imitate some and they're good at that. They like to imitate owls a lot. And you know, because I've been out here so long listening and I've taught myself to.

36:40 Here are things other people don't hear. I guess because I'm always listening for things, and I can tell kind of the difference when they're trying to imitate something, or when it's a real owl, or when they're trying to imitate even there's so many different things that they imitate, you know, I've learned, and a lot of researchers don't know this, but I have actually learned from listening to my audio and finding the evidence from it that they'll take a stick and they will take one of those the hye shaped trees with the crotch trees where they'll take the stick and they'll beat it in between it real hard and they'll make it sound like a woodpecker. And I found this out because when I was when I had my audio placed out in the woods, they actually did this near my audio recorder and I found the tree that they were hitting in between it. Both sides were scratched up and the tree stuck in the ground right the side of it. So and it didn't sound like you can tell kind of the difference when you listen to the audio. It's you can hear it sounds like a woodpecker, but it doesn't sound like a woodpeir like you can hear.

37:47 That's a little bit off. But for a normal person that's out in the woods and they hear them like, okay, woodpepper. So it's just little things they people don't realize there's more things that they will mimic. Then you know they're really good at that. It sounds like you're using probably normal types of audio recorders in your research. Are you using any any devices that might not be conventional maybe on on the fringes, I know if you're hanging out with Joe and Ron, you're probably you might have access to some some cool toys out in the field. Yeah, we've we've about used about everything.

38:28 Now they have found out that there are there is a small amount of radiation comes from footprints. So I thought that was really cool. Like when they had found some of the plants in the ground, they actually put the Geiger counter next to it and it had the rings, So I thought that was really neat. But speaking of which, you know, even down here. Like like it's very there's a lot of I didn't I didn't talk about this because I wanted to kind of focus on sasquatch. But you know, down in this area, it's very paranormal. It's you know, there's been UFOs. I actually on my YouTube channel, I recorded quite a bit of them forbes. UFOs just all kind of an angel in my graveyard on my game camera.

39:11 I actually captured it looks just like an angel. Before I stopped recording the sasquatch, like because I won't try to record them anymore. It's pointless, like it just makes them any You know, when you get to a certain point in your research, you start realizing things and I noticed that every time that I would try to record them, put game cameras up or try to mess. With them like that, they'd leave. If I want to learn about them, the best thing to do is or if anybody does, stay away from the like the visual recorders, anything with visual trying to record them like that. Now audio they don't mind so much, but if you try to get them on video, they're just gonna leave and they're not gonna give you anything.

39:51 And the best thing that I could tell anybody trying to figure out what's going on on your property is to go buy some audio recorders because they'll tell you a lot. More than what the visual will. And there's a lot of paranormal Sorry I got off tracks. There's a lot of paranormal in the holler, like all kinds of orbs, Like if you watch the Small Town Monsters, we were Me and Eli were seeing orbs all over the holler, like it's just very very supernatural. And they do call it the little Skinwalker Ranch of West Virginia. Southern West Virginia because there's so much going on here, like it's just it's unbelievable. I remember talking to them a few years ago and the radiation thing came up. Then have you found that that's just associated with the track itself in the in the ground or is that also associated with casts as well.

40:46 Now I've not got to buy me Giger. Counter yet, Okay, gotcha. So anytime that they're down here and we do research, you know, we find things out like that together. But like I mainly stick to you know, the best thing that have for me is the less equipment that I use, the better evidence I can collect, to be quite honest, and I know that that sounds crazy, but like the audio is about as much as I use anymore. I mean I used to use the game camera, and I used to use Now I do have like a parabolic mic, which I use that a lot, and I do have like night vision and stuff like that. But honestly, like you use this, if I go out, I.

41:29 I get using my night vision, they know something's going on. They can see me that they know before I walk in them woods. They know I'm already there. I've got this weird thing on my eyes glow and they're not gonna like stick around to see that if I go in there and just me being me and doing what I do they're more apt to want to kind of stay close and they're not going to try to flee. And so the best evidence that I've ever got was with my audio or just being out in woods with them without anything. So you just mentioned being out out in the woods. Are you one that takes the approach more of go to an area and just kind of sit down and see what happens, or are you actually, you know, going out finding an area and maybe hitting sticks on trees and et cetera.

42:21 Nope, No, no hitting sticks on trees. Now. I used to do all that when I first started. They know what's you know, they know they know what's you. When you go out there and you start beating on trees and start whooping and all this stuff. They're probably you know, I don't know that they're doing this. They're probably just sitting there when what in the world is wrong with that person? You know. But I don't do any of that. I'll go out out in the woods. I'll sit in nature, you know, I'll speak softly, sometimes I'll sing. Sometimes I'll bring like a little tiny set of hand drums or or something small like that, and just you know, just sit out there with them and talk and seeing, and I found that there's there are ones that are not so good, and there's ones that are are pretty cool.

43:15 You know what I mean. But my advice is to be safe. Like I don't want to tell anybody to go somewhere and just wander out there and start doing all this. You know, there are bad ones out there, and I don't want to get anybody hurt. I went out and I was casting a print one time I found in the bottom of a ravine, and it's the best I have a picture of. It's the best print that I had ever seen in my life. Like like, if I would have been able to cast this, it would have been absolutely amazing. But when I got down there, it was getting dark and I didn't have my plaster with me, so I had to walk back up the mountain get my plaster and then try to walk down before it got dark.

43:56 But I didn't quite make it. And it was I was down in the bottom of the ravine and it was really dark, and it wasn't really dark. It was getting dark and I had just poured the plaster in that track and I have stepped about. I don't even know how far. I'm not good measuring measuring things in my mind, but I think it was like maybe maybe fifty feet away from it. And as soon as I stepped away, a giant tree fell on that cast. And then I heard whooping up on the right side of me, and then on the very top of the other side of the band band of tree knocks, and I was I was flanked and followed out with little stones and stuff. I tossed me the whole time, all the way out.

44:39 And so like sometimes you know, you take to anything you do, you take a chance on it. I don't want to deter people from nature, because nature is amazing. Going out and just barefoot grounding is amazing. Being out in the woods is amazing. And as long as you're not messing with them or try to train to get their footprints, trying to aggravate them, they usually stay pretty good and far away from you, unless they're curious sometimes so they'll just take a peek of gander at you and watch you. A little bit. But for the most part, they're usually not malicious.

45:19 Absolutely, I would I would think that most most accounts I hear from witnesses, if they start, if you start getting in trouble, it's because you may have been trying to trick them in some way, and not to say that's what you are doing, but I'm saying I was, Oh you were okay, all right, fair enough, Okay, Well there you go. Yeah, it's I wouldn't recommend. I've heard a lot of really really not good scenarios that can come come up when when you're trying to trick. So it's better just to I think, you know, and this is just my way of thinking things, you know, just kind of just kind of be out there, be open with what you're doing. Have good intentions, although you can't really force that. If you're a good person, you're gonna have good intentions, right and vice versa. Oh oh, have you heard anything out there like strange humming or buzzing noises? Okay, can we talk about that for a bit.

46:25 Yeah. Actually, if you go and watch hold on this truck saying goodbye, hold on just a second. He has activity on his property too. He lives right above me. When if you watch the Paranormal Horizons, we were out there investigating and this strange buzzing sound. It sounded like a swarm of bees everywhere, but it was like it wasn't a swampye. It was like it almost sounded like it but didn't, And it was everywhere, and no matter which way you turned, it was everywhere. You couldn't distinguish which direction it came from. And it was really strange and.

47:09 We couldn't come to any conclusion on what that was. Like. It was just the weirdest and you know, that's not the first time I heard it. And the crazy part is it must have been happening my whole life up there, because it took them going, hey, what is that noise for me to kind of like, wait, what And then as they was explained, I'm like, yeah, wait a minute, I do hear that, and. I've got accustomed to it. That's been happening my whole life, So you know, whatever this is up here, it's weird. And they tried every which way to figure out what it was and they couldn't figure it out. And that's not the only strange thing up there, Like, it's just that this place. You know, when I was young, they tried to shelter us a lot from all this paranormal and craziness up there.

48:02 They knew that this place wasn't right. When I was young. They knew that when. We got a little bit older, they would like kind of throw things out, you know, out out to us to try to beware of this or beware of that. Because I ride dirt bikes and four wheelers and all this other stuff all my life. So I was riding up in the mountains my whole life, and you know, they would always try to, you know, not directly tell us things were up there, but tell us things were up there, you know what I mean? Absolutely, And I wonder if it was a thing where they almost felt locked into the area where they're at, you know, not most people. If you live in an area, you got to live there. You don't have the luxury of just moving because you feel like it, right, which should make it even more exactly more crazy, you know that have an issue or have a really paranormally charged area and you're just locked into it and you can't do anything, man right.

49:08 And not only that, but this was their property, you. Know, like for generations, our families, for generations upon generations. They're not just gonna and we're apple Appalachian people, we're real tough people. Stuff like that is not going to run us off. It's it's going to aggravate us for a little while until we get used to it, and then we just deal with it, to. Be honest, And that's how you know, we were raised to just deal with stuff and it'll pass. You know, say the Lord's prayer if it gets too bad or you know, like we were taught that stuff, say the Lord's prayer. If you say say Lord's prayer, things will get easier. It'll go away. And like there were there were time. If you want me to tell you a couple of the paranormal things that there, I can.

49:53 Real quick, just so it doesn't go away. So was the humming noise ever recorded? They tried to record it? Okay, it didn't. You can almost like it's like you think you can hear We think we can hear it, but I don't think it was really loud enough for the. Audio. It was it was like how you with hear bees in the distance, but a lot of it you can't really record that. It's hard to record that. Yeah, I just just bring it up. There's a Doug Hijack's group has been really looking into that recently. They noticed that has a Yeah, it's a it's a pretty big deal. Over the last few months and different researchers from around the US are recording this. They're doing experiments with certain a certain type of tuning fork. The sound from the tuning fork has been replicated back to them from the woods in certain areas that have high bigfoot activity, which is really really interesting. That's everywhere from I think the main place is Connecticut that's been going on, but I'm pretty sure it's been other places as well throughout the US, but that might be something to look into as well. Chris ryan Hart has been doing a lot of stuff with that. So you mentioned that there's been paranormal things that have been going on as well.

51:13 Yeah, we've had the paranormal going on since we were little. My mom has seen her doppelganger in that holler. My aunt has seen her doppelganger in that holler. There have been black shadow figures seen there numerous times. There's one of the black shadow figures that likes to jump off of the top of the buildings and run around the holler. It's weird. We've had let's see, when my mom was a little now, when the railroad, when they worked on the railroad, they had people from all over come over and work on the railroad in the Appalache and mountains, and they were Chinese people that were to work on the railroad tracks. Well, when my mom was sleeping one night, she woke up to a chinaman standing above her looking down.

52:01 Now the house that that that wood that. Was used to build that house was also pulled off of a honted house to build that little house, so that probably could have had something to do with it. Also because in the big house they used to hear footsteps walking up and down the steps, and you could all feel a person sitting down on the bed with you, but there wasn't nothing there. And then they tore apart the big house and built that part of the little house. So I'm not sure if that had something to do with it. There, my grandfather witnessed a wagon wheel that was on fire that ran across the top of the mountain and went down. The holler goes numerous amounts of ghost like there is so I could probably speak on this for hours and still not get done telling all the true ghost stories in this holler. And they're not just stories, their lives.

52:56 We've lived. What people don't understand is we've lived and we we've had to endure it our whole lives. And the things here, they're not normal. This is not a normal area. And there's got to be something. Hold on. There's got to be something drawing out this end. I mean, this has got this area has got to be a high frequency area. It's got to have something going on with it. You know, we've got creaks and streams and and there's six natural springs up in that hollar, a lot of things.

53:37 To to to produce energy. It's just it's so paranormal. I have tried and tried to figure out, you know, why why is this area so active? And still I'm I'm I can't. I don't know. It's just and you know, like the orbs in the sky at night time, Like the other night I recorded one that was just it was an orb in the in the sky, just blinking and I got a picture of it, and if you zoom me in, it looks like it has little lights all around it. It's round and it's got little lights all around it in a circle in the middle.

54:18 Like these things are weird here. It just it just it gets weird here. And then in my house, like I'll be laying. Here there watching TV or in bed trying to sleep and an orb just float right by, like the things that we experience. And you know, it's funny because we get used to this stuff. So any other person would probably jump up and freak out, but where we've had to deal with this all our lives, it's like, oh, they're in an orb, you know, like, oh there's an orb out there, or I just heard something weird about in the woods like and then we'll go about our day like so, so this is how we have to live our lives because if we wasn't dwell or or you know, get freaked out about everything that we have to encounter, we wouldn't have a life to live.

55:03 It would be just living if fear constantly. Absolutely, so it almost sounds like, man, you're really investigating this just because you'll live there and you have to deal with it. I mean there's no way you could. You could, You couldn't notice it. It's happening all around you, right. Yes, yeah, Now the paranormal I do. I do investigate that also, but like that is why I investigate Penrmal. Now the sasquatch is a little bit different. The reason I investigate them is because I'm intrigued, Like you know, I want to find out the truth. And it doesn't matter what anybody thinks about me or says about me, or I don't even care if anybody goes to my channel to bequa once. I like that, But it doesn't matter to me because the truth is what matters to me.

55:50 The data is what matters to me, and getting down to the bottom of all this is what matters to me. And without disrespecting the Sassquatch people, of course, like I. Did, absolutely so just to talk a few minutes about this. So you have your own channel now, and so are you actively putting going to put up videos that have to do with things that are happening in the hall? Are then? Yeah? I have been like I try what void recording Sasquatch Like, I don't I when I go into the woods, I'll. Always say, you know, I'm I've got a video because like that, that taught me a lesson. When that tree came down and it crushed that cast like it was the cast was still wet and it just destroyed it.

56:36 That could have been me standing over there. So when I'm recording, when I have my video recorder and I'm walking, I'll say, you know, don't get in the frame. I'm just recording your structures. I'm just looking around. Da da dah dah da dad that. You know. It taught me a valuable lesson about you know, if I was to walk straight and somebody's home and shove a recorder in their face, They're not going to be too happy about it. And I'm not doing that to them. And I could care less if I get a video of them. That's not the point of this right now. You know, the point of this is to learn, and I'm not gonna learn nothing if I shove a video camera in the face. But yeah, I am. I put a lot of stuff on my channel, like the I even caught a triangle UFO.

57:18 It had three white lights and one red light in the middle blinking. It was really strange. And I've caught numerous of them orb things, numerous amounts. Of those I have. When I first started this, I did get pictures of Sasquatch. I think about three or four pictures of Sasquatch. They're not clear, of course, but I went there, and you know, I do research. I researched my stuff, and I'll go back to the area and take pictures and make sure that that's not It wasn't there before. But I got on game camera. When I used to put my game camera up, I got a sasquatch stepping over a log and it's really really distorted, but you can see that he's there, you know. And I checked the next frame and nothing there.

58:01 Also, when I was driving down the haller, I got one that was hiding sitting down over a bank and his shoulders and head was up and it's blurry, of course, because that's. All you get with him. And I caught him there. And then at the park where I was at, I was walking around telling how I set my audio recorders out, and when I panned the camera around, there was looked like a female sasquatch. You can see her body and it looks like she even has breasts and you know, a female body. And there was one more. When we were camping, I actually took a picture of something looking in the window at me and the kids, and you can see clear forehead and eyes, and I mean you can see the eye and everything, but it's blurry, of course, like all their pictures.

58:48 You can't. It's hard to get a good picture now, the one good picture that I did get. You can see at the head, you can see the face, you can see the eyes, ears and mouth, the hump ahead everything Now it is zoomed in a little pixlade, but you can see it all. So and I did used to do all that. I don't know more. I don't try to get them on video, but yeah, when I used to do that, when I used to try to disrespect them like that, I did get some videos. I even got one with with eye glowing their their eyeshine. And I've noticed with the eye shine it's not always a red eye shine. They can have red ordering eyeshine.

59:29 I noticed that the mother will have the babies to walk in their footprints, and a lot of other things do this too to avoid the smell, and a lot I've casted like quite a few prints with a baby print inside of it. And they had stopped gifting, I mean they stopped accepting my gifts for like eight and a half nine months, and when they started accepting my gifts again, I find these little prints inside mother's print, So that tells me that they carry also about the same time that we do, which I thought that. Was really cool. Yeah, like the same duration. Yeah, that's cool, and they stop gifting. I don't know why that they stop accepting gifts. Maybe for protection, like in case that it's tainted or whatever.

1:00:18 Right, right, the pictures you were talking about, are those on your YouTube channel? Then? Okay, cool? Yeah, they're on the posts. I think they're on the posts on my YouTube on my posts. Some of my casts are on like the thumbnail and I put them on my page too. You just you have to look around for some of my stuff because, like I said, my main intention is not like anything other than getting the truth. And that's what's important to me. Like I'm telling the truth. Like I I. Can't stand here in people when they refer to them as animals. It bothers me because I guess where, I've learned so much from them and being out there with them, knowing that, you know, how intelligent that they really are and seeing all the things that they do. When I hear people talk about, you know, just being a animally bothers me.

1:01:17 I can get that definitely, especially after you've had things shown to you as you have with you know, Beth. I just want to say thank you so much for coming on the show. And for sharing what you've experienced over the years and what's going on down there in that holler. It sounds like it's a really intense time and it's probably not going to let up. Stuff will still continue to happen, for. Sure, It most definitely will, and I'll keep you guys updated on it. Before we go. Do you mind taking a few minutes to remind people how they can keep up to date with what you've got going on in that area.

1:02:01 Yes, you'll find my YouTube channel. It is Sasquatch and Paranormal in Wineberry. My name is Beth Dungeon. If you go on Wild and Weird West Virginia and you look under Wineberry, you'll find the very first video that we did where Joe and Ron found the very first footprint in the holler, and it's called did we Find Evidence of Bigfoot in West Virginia. Also Joe and Ron's work the Paranormal Horizons with small Town Monsters. I did three with them, which is Mystery Lights in Sasquatch Holler, the Sasquatch Mountain of Madness, and Sasquatch Unleashed. I did a little hour thing on the Cryptid podcast. It's called Bigfoot Hollers in West Virginia. I also did with Just small Town Monsters the Mountain State edition What's in in There Woods?

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