Elk Hunters Terrorized by Aggressive Bigfoot Clan | Oregon

0:00 You're listening to Big the Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, Big the Society. You've got the privilege of talking to TW today. TW is a hunter in the great state of Oregon, and we got connected as Tw's got a very interesting experience to share.

0:44 He's been in the state for quite a long time. But welcome to the show. TW. How are you doing today? Doing really well? Fantastic. You were saying before the show that this is something that has stuck in your mind over the years, So I want to make sure that you know we're going to pass things right over to you so you can you can share with us what you experienced that day, and then we'll have a chat about it afterwards. There. Okay. This happened in southern Oregon. I believe it might have been at the end of the summer of nineteen seventy two. I was about eight or nine years old at the time. The house was vacant for quite a while.

1:36 When my mom and dad bought it. They came up from a vacation from southern California, and they came up and bought the house knowing that they had to go and sell their house before we can move up. In the meantime, the house was vacant. There was a lot of tall grass, regular deer there every day, saw raccoons, skunks, mice, bugs, all that kind of stuff. I meant just it was. It was pretty run down five acres. It was pretty close to the mountains, and there wasn't very many houses around us. And when we first bought the house, it was just the one bedroom, one bath house. And uh my dad immediately uh started adding on a master bedroom for him and my mom, and uh it was already built.

2:43 When this instant happened, I was sleeping with in the same bedroom as my two sisters, my two older sisters, and they were on the each side of a door that had a window that went to the outside, and I was on the opposing side of the room in my own bed, but I could see the window clearly, and basically the night in question, I know that the windows were closed, so it's probably it was. That's what makes me think that it was probably later in the summer because the window we usually keep the windows open, and the windows were closed, and the door that has the window panes has three steps to go down, so it was elevated, and if you were standing next to these steps, it would probably be imagine seven to seventy eight foot that if you were standing next to it, if you were able to look in the window, somebody regularly would not be able to do that. They would have to be on the steps. And so night, out the middle of the night, something woke me up. I

4:14 don't know why I was. I was kind of I was. I remember wondering why did I wake up, because it was there usually no reason, and I don't know if something hit the house or or what. But I was kind of looking, you know, from my bed to the window that has a door that hasn't one of the dune sort of the door the head window, and I saw some long hair that went by, and it reminded me of skunk care and I was like, I just like as it made no sense to me at all, you know, seeing reckons and skunk's practically every day. Why would a skunk be way up there, you know, unless something somebody was holding it, you know, and there's nobody around our property, so so, you know, so I was just kind of just kind of like staring at the window, like wonder what that was. And next thing I know it there's a face, a big hairy face looking right at me, a lot of hair, dark brown, and the eyes seemed to glow red, and I just was pretty much immediately shocked. I don't know what was looking at me.

5:31 I've never seen anything like it. And I did see I had seen Bary before too, and it didn't look like anything like that. And I immediately jumped into the bed of one of my sisters and told her that there was a monster outside. And she's like what, And I said, yeah, there's a monster outside, a big monster looking at me in a window. And she knew I was scared. She knew that I was not, you know, you know, she you know, tried to say that, well, did you have a bad dream? I said no, I was awake and I said no, there's something outside. And I was adamant about it. And she goes, well, you need to go, you know, tell dad, And I remember I didn't want to. Was underneath the covers and I didn't want to. I was scared. I was probably you know, I definitely a state of shock. And then I, you know, I got out really quick and I ran to my dad's bedroom and I told him, and he said, you know, he just tried to dismiss it because he wanted to go back to sleep. I'm pretty sure he had to go to go to work the next morning. And he'd just say, you know, you're like, I wasn't bugging him, you know, and he was like, a probably a deer, you know. I was like, I was like, yeah, there can't be a deer that they can do, but that did, you know, And and he's like, he goes, well, you know, you're you know, you can sleep, you can sleep in here,

7:03 but I'm not going to get up. I'm not going to look around. But that's all, you know, I'm not going to So we just that was it, and I went to sleep, but you know, with my mom and dad that night, the rest of the night and the next day we went out looking for foodprints and there wasn't because the ground was really hard. It hasn't rained for quite a while, so it was definitely some time in the summer. And I think we heard like a week later that right up the road actually into the mountains, it was a granite pit and somebody saw it running.

7:45 They said, a bigfoot that ran through the granite pit the week after and I said, oh, that must have been what was looking at me. It was a bigfoot. I didn't know what a bigfoot was. This was nineteen seventy two. You know, there's nothing on TV that was anything like it, and and I'm pretty sure it was before any kind of you know, any kind of thing on TV was about bigfoot. So I didn't know what bigfoot was. So that's what that's what made me think. You it could have you know, definitely notched the description, and you know, it makes sense that it would come back there. Not a way. Well, there was a lot of deer, but the house was vacant for quite a while, so I imagine it was probably you know, somewhat of a regular you know that that's that's probably something that they do come on that part of the property because the house is vacant. I don't know, seems to me like it was at least like nine months it was vacant, so you know, probably showed up there, you know, on a regular basis. So but that's uh, and the right The ironically thing is I live about three miles away from that location, on the same side of the mountain, so and I'm I'm a little bit farther away from the woods, but that's I see deer. There's deer quite quite a bit on the on the property I'm at

9:17 right now. So so yeah, so you know, it's still there's still a lot of wilderness that's not too far away from where this happened. So but that's that's that's basically it. Hm, that is that is so very interesting. I definitely have a few questions for you about your sighting. When you said skunk care, then are you also referring to the color of it. Yeah, it was more it was more black here. But it basically that the way that skunk care out how long it is and that's what you know, when I first saw it, that's what I first saw, the long the long hair that, yeah, there's that. I'm just trying to remember. There might have been a light out there that could have been it could have been the moon, but I saw clearly when I first saw I saw long hair go by the window, and it just reminded me of skunk hare. It was. It was just it was definitely it was definitely dark in color, and but it was kind of like the almost like the texture, you know, how how long how long that hair is and how the texture is. That's what it reminded me of.

10:42 Gotcha, you said you saw the eyes glowing red as well. Were you able to see the eyes themselves too, or did the red eye glow kind of overpower that. The just the red eye glow because it was it was dark enough for I could barely see a face. It was kind of like a and and it was kind of like an emotionless face that but I did see the eyes, but it didn't make any expressions at all. When I when it saw me and I saw, you know, I know that I screamed and it did. It kind of reminded me, I would say, of a rangutan type face.

11:24 It was kind of like big like that, and and and emotionless. It was just it was looking at me. And so I you know, if I was the guest, I would say it was a female. Looking at the pictures of orangutan faces, they definitely are very interesting. You know that the males have almost like the goatee at the bottom, they have like the large fleshy area around the sides of the face. Didn't have anything like that that that would have made you say, okay, this kind of looks like an orangutan.

12:07 I I it just had a big, big face and you know, it took up a lot of the window and and it was it was like I said, it was like emotionless. There was just no emotion that it was. I guess maybe if anything curious, but it was just like, you know, it was just looking straight at me. You know, It's like it was like looking, you know, right at me. And you know, I think you know, maybe it was you know, it was looking in but immediately caught it caught you know, me looking at it. You know, sure, So you know, you know, so, like I said, something woke me up, and it might maybe it might have you know, h the hit the side of the house or something.

12:54 But yeah, do you remember anything specifically about the nose that you on its face? I would say it looked flat, okay, gotcha? Were the eyes close together in proximity or wide apart? No, the white apart? Okay. Imagine you're looking at the face and the lower part of the nose and then kind of the top part of the lips. How much of a space is between those two things. I couldn't remember that much, but I do remember the flat nose, and and you know, I didn't see any kind of movement with the mouth. There was no movement, so I really couldn't tell where all that was. But I did see the nose in the eyes, and I couldn't see the bottom of his chin because it was taking up. It was almost like it was almost like it was crossed down to look in and and so it cross down where the eyes could eyes on them.

14:00 You know, the nose can definitely look into But I didn't. I don't remember even seeing the mouth. Gotcha. Did you notice anything about Could you see the hair on the top of the head at all? No, it was it was so long that it went beyond that, and I saw, you know, I saw I saw a hair sticking out, sticking out from the sides quite a ways. You know, it was like I guess you would say, matted hair. Okay, very interesting. Do you ever remember anything else weird showing up around the house at that time? Were there ever any items left or animals that were missing or that were killed in the area, or maybe trees that looked weird?

14:54 See, you know, that's what that's one of the things that you know, we had. We had a whole bunch of oak trees and so big oak trees, and but I don't remember anything happening to the oak trees. I mean, we would have branches that would fall off from time to time. We would we had chickens that that were they disappeared, so we'd have you know, if we had fifteen, fifteen to twenty chickens, we'd go in there sometimes will be eighteen, you know, and so we just you know, but we also let them free range, you know, so it was it was possible that they can go through another property, you know, that was there was a property that was behind us that was a I had a barn, and it's possible that you know, they could have went there.

15:47 So didn't find you know, any kind of I don't remember seeing any kind of feathers anyway. They just they just went missing. And it wasn't you know, wasn't that big of a deal because my mom and dad does to keep on getting more chickens. They wasn't like you know, like you know, a couple of just a couple of couple of gun hopefully they come back, and sometimes they do it. They wouldn't come back sometimes they would. Is this a thing that you ever talked to, let's say, your sisters or your father at a later time when you're you know, you're you're growing up, you're an adult.

16:27 Did you guys ever have a discussion about this event? Yes, I've talked. I talked to my sister and she said that she thought that I was just having a bad dream. She she didn't, you know, she wasn't about to look out the window or nothing. But she just thinks that it was just me. I was eight and nine years old, so it had been a bad dream, you know. So she does she doesn't chalk it up as and she just discounts everything because she just feels it. She just puts it in a bad dream. She doesn't she she's a type of person that doesn't want to believe in something like Bigfoot? Interesting? Was there ever anything reported in that house or around it that could be considered paranormal activity or anything weird?

17:18 No? Okay, no, you mentioned that there's not or or how about that? Would you how far away would you say it was? Was the closest neighbor for you guys and you can just be approximate on it. Well, well, we had we had a neighbor that was their barn was you know, right behind our barn, so that was you know, you know, that's probably a quarter a mile away. Their their house was actually closer to another road, but the barn was closer. We had another neighbor that was probably he was probably about five hundred yards away. His house. It was just to it was kind of us. It was kind of secluded that he had a guard a big garden in between us, and so we didn't really you know, see much of him.

18:20 We have we had another neighbor and they had a big farm that was that was on the other side of us. They had cows and and horses, and we don't we we would actually go over and get fresh milk from them. But that was that was probably, you know, probably a block away. Uh did you ever hear anything making strange noises or anything weird sounding in the woods. And in the woods around that house? Yeah?

19:00 No, not no, Uh. Gotcha. Were there any ever conversations with neighbors about hey, yeah we heard some had some weird stuff happened too, or did it not really come up ever? Well? I actually actually I actually talked to that one neighbor had a big farm. They had a a boy that was he was kind of you would say that he's kind of with the do pranks. And I said, and I asked him, I said, hey, you know, did you put a did you put a mask on and come to our window? And and he's just like no, he goes, I would never do that, and you know, so so I did. I did, and you know, we did ask him about that, but they never said anything about you know, I never you know, it was actually those you know, the type of thing that you know, got to be a point where I didn't want to talk to too many people about it. I just asked him about that. It's as something something showed up for a window and he said, oh, that's weird. But he didn't, you know, he didn't say anything else about it.

20:09 Why would you feel important to come forward? Now? Is what happened to you that day? Because I see that it's a regular It's one of the regular things that that Bigfoot do. They do like the pick and windows, you know, So I, you know, whenever I see a story that's like mine, I was like, you know, I gravitate to it because a lot of the same similarities. You know, I've seen I've seen one where you know that there's a there's a definite face in the window, and it shows pictures that that face looks a lot more menacing than what that was that was looking in my window. Like I said, that's why I feel that it was it was probably a female because it wasn't menacing. It was you know, more like like I that I had a blank stare, you know, emotionless, and it was kind of like curiosity, you know, you know, more on the curious side.

21:08 Absolutely, did this affect you in any ways growing up as a young child or high school or anything like that, Well, it made. Me more aware that I because I you know that that became you know from a not only a believer, but a knower. So it made me more aware of that there's something else out there, because I knew when I saw when I thought that that was real. And that's something I've never seen before.

21:49 Have you ever experienced anything out of or have you ever experienced anything strange when you've been out hunting? Absolutely? Okay? Is that anything that you would be able to share share also in this interview? Sure? Sure, you know I can. There's an area that's I would say it's by Prospect, Oregon. We've been hounting it for this area for forty years. It's probably fifty square miles of wilderness that we know it very well.

22:32 It's mostly known for elk hunting. A lot I've got, I've got some deer out of there. I got an elk coff in this area, and my dad got a deer as well, and we had there's there's definitely there's definitely things that happen. One in particularly this we are camping off of a road in a wall tent and and this basically we're at the bottom of a road that you have to hike into over three miles. That's hike only. You can't drive, and but it's an old skid road and it goes into an a very interesting area and we found we found elk bones back there, not like like something you know, not a hunter, not a hunter would would would leave those, leave the rib the rib bones and all that kind of stuff. So we found we found lots of lots of different bones up there. Never really had much we really really really didn't have much go on before. But but this our first instances was in the middle the night, we heard a big whoop. It was a real high I say,

24:05 when you listen to a hollow monkey, that sounded a lot like a holler monkey. And I knew and I meant we were really tired, and it woke me up out of a cold sleep, and it was it was definitely you know, indicating that it knows that we were there. And my my thinking was when I when that happened, not only was it a primitive, it was primitive, but I felt that it was kind of on the younger side because of how high it had had really had had a high whoop, and so that was one of the things that happened. Also, we found some of the tent stakes were pulled up. That's when we went to go pack, so they came right behind the wall tent were pulling steaks. There's no those noble hunters around there.

25:07 It's a pretty remote area. And one time my dad was who wasn't the same, you know, he was actually farther away. It's probably at least at least three or three to five miles away, and he went into this area and he was leaning against a tree. I think he was laying down, leaning against a tree, and a pine cone goes flying past them. And said, I it wasn't just a pine cone. It was a silver tip pine cone that was hard and it probably weighed about probably weighed at least a half a pound, and I felt, you know, my we found it if we found it the next weekend, and it was hard and it would if he if it would have hit my dad said it would have he probably would have knocked him out, but it would it went past his head. It went, didn't go drop down and went it was thrown, and one of my dad said he got up and was wondering if it was me or something that why wouldn't you know something? Somebody was messing with them, he thought, And he turned around he saw a black figure go into the woods and just crashing and going away, you know.

26:20 So but but we had we had other encounters and other hunters in that area also we talked to that had encounters as well, things thrown at him, you know when they're sitting around the campfire and stuff. So, and another thing that's very interesting is like there's there's barely any elk up there anymore. It's almost like they wiped out the population. My thinking is that at at least a family and the population has completely changed. It used to be a real hot elk hunting area and you could go up there and now and with no problem and get a camp spot the night before elk hunting, and that was not never the case. So it really changed the dynamic of the area in the last twenty years.

27:16 That is extremely interesting. It reminds me of something I heard last year at Oakridge in Oregon. I had a few elk hunters tell me that they showed me on a map. They're like, these areas where all the big foot sightings and stuff are, that's where all the elk are, and it's almost like they will follow the el curds around and you can almost track it. So it's extremely interesting that you would bring that up, that that the situation with your dad getting that thrown at him and then having the visual did that change how he how he thought of the subject then, or how was he after that?

27:59 Oh? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, he he definitely said that. I don't think he will hunt alone anymore after that. And he used to be a regular. You know, well, I'm gonna hunt alone for a couple of days and then you can come up from work and then we'll meet up. Well, he won't do that anymore. Sure what approximate year would that have been when you guys had the tent stakes pulled up and your dad had that situation happen. Let me see, I'm trying to think we had a tent trailer. I'm sorry, we didn't know. I'm sorry that was a wal ten. I'm sorry, it's a wall ten. Yeah, that runs. I did have another instant as well, but that would probably that would probably have been thirty years ago, gotcha.

28:51 But we also have something else that happened. My uncle came up from LA and he came up with a sound recorder and and he came up in this and now in this area, this area was on a higher elevation area. This camp and there was another camp that was a kind of up the road, probably about a mile away from us. That was about the closest. And so the night before I was in a tent trailer so I can hear everything, and he had his recorder put on the hood of the truck so they'd record anything that's walking around or anything. And the next morning I told him, I said, I heard two knocks. I heard two knocks that was not too far away from here, and sure enough, well he found those three and so so that night he decided start making big foot howls and everything. And my dad didn't like him really doing that.

30:04 He goes, I really don't like them to come visit us, and that that so I was woken up at three o'clock in the morning with a very loud, deep Tarzan call and I was like, who this was? Like really I meant to And when I heard it, I was like, there's only one thing to make that noise. But I was in a tent trailer, and we had to set up that if there was anything that was gonna that was going to happen, that I was going to hit my car, my car horn. Well, I had a remote for my Chief Liberty, and I was doing that and I couldn't hear any movement from my uncle my dad, but I want to let them know that I would like to have one of them come over and get me, and and we need to figure something out because there I knew when I heard that, I knew that I was going to be coming in. I just I don't I don't know why, but I just knew that it was going to make a visit. And so then I had to hit my remote to turn the alarm on.

31:16 And and then my uncle said something, something's going on, you know me, And so he got dressed and came over. And by the time he got dressed and came over, something behind the trailer was urinating and it was loud. It sounded you know, it reminds me of like you know, I mean, I used to, you know, be in the barn and when you hear a you know, horse pee, That's what it sounded like. And and I when my uncle showed up with his gun, and I said, did you go to the bathroom before coming in? He goes, well, I did in the trailer. I said, no, what I heard was not in the trailer, and and I said, well, they're around here, And so I went back well, back in told them when I heard and everything else. The next morning we went out and he took pictures of a bunch of footprints. Oh I'm sorry, there's another another thing.

32:16 Before I went into trader, I looked over my Cheap Liberty and the passenger door was wide open, and that means something opened my door. And because I wouldn't there was no way that I would have I would leave it, you know like that. You know, I was that's where I had my gun, hunting gun, and I said something was here. And the next day we found a bunch of footprints. Wow, that meant quite the interactions in that area. That's also in the prospect area as well. Yeah, okay, yeah that's a prospect area. Yeah. Yeah.

33:00 What was the approximate length of the footprints that you found? I think he measured I think he measured sixteen Yeah, I think it was like sixteen inches. We found one that was pretty deep that we actually put a pepsi can next to it and you probably can put my foot probably four yeah, probably a little bit over four pepsi cans that belong. And we did find one deep, but the other one was on it was has hasn't been. It wasn't raining, It was on a it was in the October. We didn't have any rain, and so but we did see the definite bear footprints. You can see the you can see the toes, and my uncle, you know, took pictures of that.

33:51 Gotcha. And by saying that, you're saying that not that they were footprints of a bear, but they were. There was something not wearing shoes because there toes found. Yeah, definitely, definitely, yeah, definitely not wearing shoes, and it definitely was not a bear. Gotcha. Now, Yeah, did anyone go to look at the area where there was that loud sound of urination? Well, unfortunately, it was just so thick back there that it was right behind basically where I had there was that was that was off of that was off the path or where were that? What I heard? That was?

34:36 That was? That's what it was right behind my trailer was all this thick stuff and and then it went and then there was a path that went to part of it, but were that what I was hearing? There was no path there, so it was in the middle of that thick stuff. Gotcha. Any weird smells around that time as well? No, No, I mean we we we had we we came across areas before they had dad weird smells, but not not at that particular time. And you were saying, the other hunters you've talked. To, they were, they were, they were there were there were people that we we we used to run into them every year and and they used to be at this one camp and and so we found we went back to their camp and they weren't there, and so that was kind of weird. You know, at least they they're pretty much loyal. They'll they'll come to that area no matter what, because they got some pretty big bulls out of there before. And all of a sudden they showed up on one of the last days and we were My dad was saying, you know why, you know, he asked him, why are you guys move and they're like, yeah, you know, didn't really didn't really say, and he goes, he is, hey, you know, we had some we had some you know things happened to us. And they looked at each other. They knew exactly what we were talking about, and they told them about the pine cone thing and

36:08 he goes, well, yeah, he goes, he goes, that's the reason why we don't camp there anymore because basically it harassed us all night by shaking our trailer, by throwing things, rocks around. Why we were the campfire. They didn't want us here, and so we just we just thought we had tried somewhere else, but they didn't. They didn't want they didn't feel comfortable camping there anymore. That is really really interesting being a hunter out there and being in circles where you'd be talking to the hunters. Is that something that it's talked about a lot, or do people not really mention if they've encountered what they think might be bigfoot out there.

36:54 I hear a lot of people saying they're just trying not they're trying not to make the action. Those two guys, they actually have seen them before up by Diamond Lake. So it's not it's they're they're very familiar that they're around, but they also very familiar that they don't want to get harassed by him. Absolutely. You mentioned Diamond Lake, which has come up on the show before. There's definitely activity that happens in that area. Uh So you're saying that the other hunters had sightings in that or was that the people. That were in your group, right, No, that was that was that was the those other hunters they said they they said that they came up across a herd elk that they were following, and there's one guy, I think I think he was They were following them, and they said they're going to go in this area the next morning, and they know where they are. So he was sneaking up to where they were, and he was in the he could see elk and front of him. You know, they blend into a lot of things, but a lot of times when you're looking at five, there's another twenty that's around. And he was looking around and he said, crouched down that probably seventy five yards away. He said a sasquatch was honey of them too, And he said he could see it sitting there. It was behind trees,

38:25 but he could see it. And he'd got out of there and he told me, he told his whole camp. He goes, we got to get out of here. I don't feel comfortable in this area, because he said, even though that I was crouched down, I was still taller than he was. I don't know if I've ever heard an account where one was actually hunting elk or anything like that. I know that they're definitely that's one of the food sources. But do you know what, maybe what year that would have happened around at Diamond. Lake, Well, it would have to be probably I'm trying to think the last time we went in there hunting, so had it been probably twenty years ago?

39:12 Gotcha? That area is really interesting. I've also heard from another researcher's names Randy Sibley, where if you're looking at a map and you have Crater Lake and to the west of Trader is two thirty goes down past Union creaking down the prospect. I guess that area is also heavily active as well, and there's a lot of stuff that happens there that not the most positive encounters, you would say, pretty aggressive at times. Well what what what? I hear? What they say? I ran into one hundred and he says the Union Creek side, he goes, they'll firashu the Crater lakeside. They won't even bother you.

39:58 Oh really? Yeah? Wow? So is that like on the other side of two thirty then where the distinction is or. Yeah, yeah, that so the Union Creek Union Creek area, he said, on that side, I'm saying. I'd say what he was trying to say is basically the you know, there's like the Rogue River kind of guys has a little you know, it's like it's like a line. And he said, left of the Rogue River, you know, if you're going towards Bend, he says, they're they're aggressive, they're territorial. They will let you know they don't like you. But you go in Crater Lake and they don't. They don't bother you. He said. You'll see footprints and everything else, but you will not get bothered at night, you know, because you know, they said, most people that are going in that Crater Lake area, they're not they're not you know, parady in or nothing like that. But the other people on the other side, that's where they're more. You know, you'll you'll get the hunters to have the whole big camps.

40:59 They'll be playing music and whatever, and and they don't like them. You know, it's they just they don't like that at all. You're disrupting, you're disrupting their area. Wow. Have you heard of any accounts where there's there's really aggressive interactions with hunters. Well, just you know, you know, just the just the throwing things, throwing sticks and and the rocks and want to add the pine cone they're they're just basically seemed to me more like a warning. You know, you know we we don't want to hear you know that I that I forgot to tell you that when I had the incident, that one came in the camp at three o'clock in the morning, we went up to the other camp and we we asked him, did you have any did you hear anything around or anything? And they said this guy says, well, we had our heater going, but I he said, I heard was sounded like something taking his hand on the top of the trailer and run in his hand through the whole side of the trailer. Now, I mean these these fifth little trailers. It was a big one. And that thing that that that had been at least what he was talking about was like, I don't know, I imagine eight to nine feet off, you know that if it would have to be something that tall that can at least reach that high to do what he said, But it sounded like he said, it sounded to him that that something took her hand and

42:29 we're all along along the whole side of the top. He can hear it scraping, he said, he said, I heard that last night, but he goes, I don't. He goes, I don't know what it was, you know, he goes, He said, it sounded to me like a branch or something or something. But he knows I heard something that that's what it sounded like to me, you know. But he didn't hear any any calls or anything. And I'm trying to think that you see that happened. I think the next weekend and we went in there, and I think we're deer hunting, and my dad was on one side, you know, it was close to that area, and I was on the other side, and we both have walkie talkies. Well, he said he can hear one making all kinds of noise, and he was trying to he was trying to play it for me on my walkie talkie. He was that loud, so he was that close that he could hear him that like that. And it's pretty funny when I find it, because I don't like to turn my walkie talkie until I get into a good hunting area that I can that I can sit and and observe and I turned it on, and then he was calling me and he told me this this thing, and I said, well, we're that and he goes, well the rate below me. And I said, well that's where I'm at. So I got out of there, you know. But uh yeah, like I said, we had, we had many many encounters in this area.

43:54 They seemed to they seemed to be in there pretty thick. And but you know, there there's just a lot of area back there, Like I said, probably, I don't know, it's probably you know, twenty five to fifty square miles that we hunt, you know for the most part, you know, you know, depending how long we're up there, we hunt the first, you know, the first big circle, and then we go beyond that if we are still looking for tracks or whatnot. Wow, those those sounds that he was trying to get to come over the walkie talkie. Yeah, how would you describe them? Would you think?

44:40 He described that? He described it making we are making all kinds of vocals. He said, it wasn't making one long vocals, making a whole bunch of vocals. And he said, you know, I mean we're talking My dad back then was still was still probably you know, like early seven and not the best hearing, so he probably wouldn't pick up a lot when somebody had better hearing. But he just said that you were making all kinds of vocally noises, maybe even trying to talk, he said. He said he really could make sense of what was going on, but he said they were definitely making a lot of noise.

45:24 Wow, that's incredible. And that was Prospect area in the nineties. Yeah, it was. And it's probably an elevation where we were at. We're probably mostly in the elevation of probably four thousand up to I mean, we can look over to see that. We can actually where we're at, we can look over and see the rim of the crater lake. So we're up there, you know, sixty six to seven thousand feet maybe, so yeah, we're up there. Oh wow, So yeah, you're out there. But you're also up there too, which is which a perfect combination. My goodness. Yeah, this is some of the most detailed hunting and encounter stories I've heard, especially the one that the sticks out just because you know, you think about what what can pull up stakes of a tent? I mean has to have something, Yes, it has to be someone with a hand, right.

46:27 Hand hand and strength because we we were we were not we were having to. It was basically, we're almost hammering these stakes in the rock. And that's what that's what surprises more than anything is because I mean we had to really hit with a big sledgehammer to get them to go in all the way to the ground. And my dad asked me, he goes, did you pull these elements? Like no, and you know, there's there there's kind of a funny but I I think one of the things that brings them to me during the evening is that I snore, and I snore pretty bad, and it's almost like they're curious about it. That's what that's, you know, and that that's and I can imagine that one when I was in the wall tent and that one that that made that that that's almost like a scream.

47:26 He might have been really agitated by me, you know, that might you know because when I sometimes when I snore, I'm pretty loud. That's a pretty solid theory. T W thank you so much for for coming on the individual that had the sighting up by Diamond Lake. Do you think he might be an individual that would be interviewed about that? Oh, he had had no problem, but I don't. We don't have the contact deformation. Okay, well, yeah he used to be he used to be. Uh, he used to work at the local gas station. He does them and pump cash. He doesn't do that anymore, gotcha. If he's listening, he can definitely reach out emails Big for Society gmail dot com or if any hunter that has had weird stuff like this happen in the woods, guys and girls, reach out and I'd love to talk to you press. Hunters have some incredible experiences to share, but tw I want to make sure that you were able to share everything that you came to the show to talk about today.

48:32 There's only there's only just a couple more things that are interesting in this area. One we found completely different areas we found. We found drag marks. Now, these drag marks are on like limestone, and and what they do and when they drag something, they're not dragging it down the road, They're dragging it from from the woods across the woods, deeper into the woods. And and that these drag marks are like there's no gravel, like like six six inches, So I'm thinking that's at least an elk And because and it's being drug and it just completely wipes out the gravel on the road. And we've seen two of those. That's one thing that we noticed that area.

49:26 On On the very bizarre side, my dad found a metal cylinder that he has never seen before. He described as the longers. They never even heard what he's talking about. And it probably weighed at least he said. He said he could even budget, and he was going to show me the next weekend and it was down, not down in an area where you could not drive, you can only walk, and it was down probably five hundred yards and we went there the next weekend it was gone, and my dad said it probably weighed at least two thousand pounds. Oh wow, how big was it?

50:08 So he said it was probably he said it was probably I think about eight foot long, about eight foot long, but it was all like chrome cylinder and it had some really weird markings on it, and it was kind of laying off of the side like in a ditch. And for it to be gone the next weekend was really really strange because it was something so heavy and we didn't see any indication where somebody tried to back up a truck to get closer to it or anything like that. So it's just that's just one of those things we chalked up. Is weird, we don't know.

50:52 But also in the prospect. Area, yeah, the same area, were there. Any pictures taken as a. No, no, we no, my dad didn't have anything like that, and he was just hoping to show me next the next weekend. Absolutely he remembers it. He you know, I think he went home and he drew maybe drew a picture of it and drew the simples took it to a longer and the guy because I don't know what you're talking about. It has nothing to do with logging. Yeah. Wow. But but one time I went up there with my youngest son, which is my youngest son is not a hunter, and I was there was some very unusual branch breaks on a big tree, and so I wanted for perspective, I wanted to take a picture of my son next to these big branch breaks off the tree. I mean there were there was the biggest, the big at the tree, and so I took you know, I took a couple of pictures and and and I showed this one lady that she was she went up with us one time and she said she's never seen an area like that.

52:05 Had so many breaks and what you know, a lot of a lot of branch breaks and trees bent over all kinds of stuff. She says, she's never seen anything like it before. Well, I said, he that picture about a year after I took that picture, and she said, did you see what was in the background. I said no. She goes look in the background, and you look in the background and there's a clear head and shoulders just crouched down. So I mean someone can say, oh, you can say it's a stump, but it's head and shoulders. It's like it's shaped like head and shoulders. And you know, my my son, my still my son still has that picture.

52:50 But we went back. We went back to try to find that area. We couldn't find it all. All those branch breaks were gone, so we couldn't find that same area to see if it was a stump. But it looks like clear. I mean I showed it to a lot of people and they're just like, they're like that, that's pretty clear. That's head and shoulders there. But yeah, it's an interesting area. And that's the one where I believe you also sent that to me on on Facebook Messenger is yeah, it's I can see it's on the left side of the photo.

53:33 It's just wild. I mean it looks just like what you would imagine if you see something just kind of front view of something hunched over and dark in the tree line. Yeah. Yeah, h like goodness, I'm guessing that that's a private photo. Correct. Yes, yeah. Have you ever experienced anything out there where you're like, this is not bigfoot, but maybe you know any weird lights or anything, balls of light, anything like that in the woods.

54:14 One time, I was in the area that was closer to Diamond Lake. I believe it's probably the same area where these guys were were at before. I was on a side of a like a clearing, and I was just walking. I think there was an old schedule on the top of it that I was walking to get to another area that I saw there before. And I was there and all of a sudden, I was I was rushed by a sound that was so loud that it sound like like a jet taken off, And and it wasn't that windy, and I didn't see anything. It was a sound that that Yeah, it was so loud, but I couldn't. I never did see anything, so that was it was just one of those weird things. But as it startled me, it was so loud.

55:19 That is that's extremely weird. I mean that's that's a pattern too that you hear in in accounts. Is the loud sound that doesn't it shouldn't be there logically and you can't find anything. Yeah, that's the culprit. So so very weird. Yeah, there's another instance that that I forgot. Like I said, there's we had a lot of different weirdness and encounters. But before before that we heard any you know, any ones that whooped or anything. I went down to this area and I was and it's it's like a hole.

56:02 It was like it's in the canyon and there's water there. And I went down there. I went down there before and it was really dark and spooky. It was almost like and it was like it was like junglelike. And anyways, I was sitting on a clearing above that where anything that comes in front of me I might be able to get a shot at it. Wow. While I was sitting there, I can hear something down in this canyon area just making all kinds of noise, and I went back, and I mean I heard elk. I heard elk. Heard the elk going through the woods. I know what kind of sound they make, that make a very steady sound. It sounds like a car just driving through the woods.

56:44 But this was something where I can hear things being broke. It sounds like something was being beat up. It just it just sounded vicious. And and I told my dad about it. I said, I said, God, it sound like an elephant was down there. It was just and never I never made any connection. I don't like, I wasn't even thinking bigfoot, you know. I was just thinking something was down there, you know. I mean, if it was if it was bear, or had it been you know, at least two big bears, if it was making that much noise, I mean I could hear, like you know, small trees breaking, branches breaking, just like you know, all kinds of noise. So something was down there was was making a lot of noise. And I and there isn't that much bear activity to think that there would be two bear. I mean, I've seen I seen one bear.

57:37 I've probably seen this maybe one bear the whole time I was up there in the last forty years. So yeah, there's not a big bear population, but something was down in this canyon making a whole bunch of noise, and I, you know, told me about that about it, and we just kind of talked to that. Okay, you know, so I gotta I gotta say one more, one more, one more, one more. Little story. Okay, So my dad brought a young hunter up there during elk season and this guy was planning. He brought his wife and they were planning.

58:19 They had a real nice trailer, they had a bunch of food. They were going to stay there the whole week. So he said, so we knew that I was going to snow the next morning. So he said, well, I want to go from here to there. And it's really it's really in the active area. This there's a there's a definite active area. And they went right in the middle of it. And we told them that, well, if you can follow it, you're gonna if you go that way enough, you're going to follow this road and we'll meet you at that road in like three hours. And and so after three hours we started calling for him, are you are you heading in there? You know this and that we're calling for him nothing, And we stayed there for another hour, nothing and it was until like four o'clock that day. Daytime he showed up. His wife was exhausted. He was exhausted, and he says, yeah, my wife doesn't want to be here. So we're packing our stuff a leaving and we're like, like, we kept on asking what what do you mean? What's you were planning on being here for the whole week? And he goes, well, she got scared because she we saw a bear and she says that was no bear. That was her immediate response.

59:42 She goes, that wasn't a bear, and he kind of laughed, and we're like, well, why didn't you Why were you not responding? He goes, because I lost one of my walking talkies and these are high grade walking talkies. These were I'm probably eighty dollars a piece. And we're like, well, why don't you just call it and go go get it? And he goes he is, no, it was too much work to go through there, he is, it's just better off that I'm just going to pack and leave. So you know, he lost he lost a walkie TALKI. They boss up and that he says a bear and his wife said, no, that was no bear. And they they packed up immediately and got out of there.

1:00:26 Oh wow, oh Man, Prospect area, Yeah. That same yeap, that same area. Wow Yeah, that that area sounds sounds pretty pretty wild for sure. I'm gonna have to keep it an eye out for reports regarding the Prospect area. But wow, t W. I mean, you've got you've got a wealth of stories from over the years about things that you've experienced. I want to say thank you so much for coming on the show today. Thank you, thank you for listening to this episode of The Big Society Podcast. Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to subscribe to the channel on YouTube hit the bell so you don't miss the next episode, and share this with a friend who's into mysteries, monsters, or the unexplained. And if you're listening to us on Spotify or Apple podcast, please follow the show there and leave us a five star positive review because all that helps more people discover the show. And remember, if you or someone you know has had a Bigfoot sighting, please I'd love to hear from you, so email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com and let's start the conversation.

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