Dec. 14, 2024

Face to Face by the Garage! | Central Illinois

Join us in this episode of Bigfoot Society where we hear from Butch, a listener from Central Illinois, who shares his first and only public recounting of an extraordinary Bigfoot encounter. Find out what happened on that cold November night when Butch...

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Season 1

Join us in this episode of Bigfoot Society where we hear from Butch, a listener from Central Illinois, who shares his first and only public recounting of an extraordinary Bigfoot encounter. Find out what happened on that cold November night when Butch and his wife locked eyes with a towering Bigfoot standing by their garage. Discover the details of this fascinating sighting, the context leading up to it, and the aftermath. Don't miss this gripping account that adds to the growing evidence of Bigfoot sightings in Central Illinois.

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slash the Big for Society, and now let's get on

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with the show. All right, Big Fort Society, You've got

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the privilege of talking tonight to Butch. Butch is a

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listener from central Illinois. He reached out to me through

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email and wants to share about a very interesting experience

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he had a few years back. Butch, it's a privilege

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to have you on the show tonight. How are you doing, my.

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Friend, I'm doing great. How about yourself?

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Oh so doing great. We had to move this one

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around a little bit to get it to work. But

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I'm glad we're finally chatting. I want to mention we

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had talked before this started up the recording that this

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is really the first time that you are sharing this publicly,

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which is a huge deal, and I appreciate you trusting

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me with your story. And Butch, I'm going to go

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ahead and pass the mic over to you, and feel

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free to bring us back to the time where that

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happened and let us know what you experienced.

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All right. It was in the month of November, and

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it was around twenty degrees and it was a little

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thing there before. Before you get into how it happened

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here late about a week or two before, the neighborhood

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was wondering where his chickens were disappearing, and we thought

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maybe coyotes and whatever we had gotten hold of them,

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and then that's a pretty.

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Normal thing around here.

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But I don't think that's what happened anyway. We even

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really getting ready to go to bed. This thing is

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on a Friday night, and we went in and went

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on to bed around eight eight thirty, and we got

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up right around eleven thirty, quarter twelve, and we both

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got up the same time. For those reasons, I don't

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know it happens once in a very wild but once

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in a while we do.

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And we're standing there in.

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The kitchen, and to the south of us is is

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the garage that we had. And I went in and

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Gord down and then but the foundation left an old

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garage out there in the back by edge of the pasture,

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by the edge of the pasture area, and we were

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looking out toward there, and we stood there and this

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is no kidd Me and my wife sit there and

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stood there and looked at him. And he's standing there

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next to the corner of the garage. His head is

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above the bottom part of the garage yourself. And we

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locked eyes, and I know he could see me, and

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I know he knew he could. I knew he's seen

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me and he and I know what I saw my

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watch all the same thing. And he was standing there

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and just standing and staring into the kitchen window. We

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stared at him for a good fifteen twenty seconds, and

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out of nowhere, he took his right arm and laid

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over the top like he said, waving goodbye, and bang

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he was gone. I went outside, and I don't know

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where he went. I have no clue whatsoever. But I'm

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telling you people, these things are real. How he got

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around with them? And my guess is.

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People's got pole lights around here. They're pretty stealthy.

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I guess they are. But why he was standing behind

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the garage, I think I don't have a clue on that.

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I was gonna go squirrel hunting that morning. I remember

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in the direction he was headed, and I just I

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postponed that for a while. Anyway, That's that's what happened.

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And but I never walked. But he was a He

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was brown with the grayish with christ grays patches on him.

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So I don't know if he was fairly old or

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he would just that's just his natural color or what.

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But he was there as real as I'm talking to

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you now. He was that we locked eyeballs and there

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was yeah, there was no more chickens left. And he,

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if he did it, he ate every one of them.

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I'm guessing I think that's what he did. He would

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come in from the timber and he come into here

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and grab the supper, and he had darted dark about

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got the back out west behind the house. That was

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my indication. But no, about a month or two before

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this all started, I got a fence out back, and

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it's about it's a solid wooden fence that separates properties

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the neighbor's property, and I'm outside. This is like four

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o'clock in the morning, and it was probably in the twenties.

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Then I walked out that door, out the back door

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of the kitchen, and I'm out in the yard with

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the dog, and something rattled that whole fence, and I

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don't know what it was. I couldn't see what it was.

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I didn't pay attention to the dog. He just watched

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like he wasn't gonna have any part of it. But

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I don't know if perhaps he was laying back there.

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I had no idea because it's pitch of black behind there.

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There's nothing there, and I wonder if he was just

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chilling out back there at the time. But it was

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its man. I haven't seen or heard any of him,

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of anything of him since, but it was I'll never

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forget it. That's about all. That's about all I can

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really tell you now. Fence is eight pen foot tall,

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a solid wooden fence, and he shook whatever it was.

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I don't know if I can't say it was him,

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but I can't say it wasn't but he shook the

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corner of that like it was nothing. And I think

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is he was getting up or he was moving around.

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I don't know. I can't tell you I was. I

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didn't have the I didn't have the cahunas to walk

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around the backside of the fence and see what I

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was looking at.

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I want to go to buck taking chance.

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But yeah, he was. Yeah, these things are real. I'm

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telling you, they're around here. There are places that you

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normally wouldn't he normally wouldn't think of. They're out there.

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I don't care what people say. I know the real

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I've seen them for myself. The wife both see him

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at the same time, and we looked at each other

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and go, did you just see that?

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Yeah, the squat Oh in the moment that that's what

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you guys said to each other.

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Yeah, wow, yeah right there to say. We both shared

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each other in the faith. Do you see what we saw? Yeah, honey, yeah,

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I think the same thing.

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I thought I was seeing a thing. No, uh, and

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he way, it's just so he had it. He had

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a sense of him or he took his arm and

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just waved over the top of the garage and he

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was gone.

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I went out there the next morning, I thought, for sure,

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as hard as the ground, I couldn't find anything. I

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wish there were snow on the ground. I would have

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had evidence, but there wasn't. It was it was in

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the twenties. I think maybe the ground that it's been

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was pretty cold for four or five days around that temperature,

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and it was pretty ground was pretty sturdy and stiff,

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stiff anyway. But I went to look and clear back,

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and I couldn't find anything where he went when any

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Devin is where he was even at, or even where

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he come in or he left, I couldn't find anything.

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And if disappointing because I wanted pictures of it. I

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know what I saw. There's no doubt in my mind

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that's what it was. I mean I and I'll argue

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with it. I argue with anybody till I'm blue in

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the faith. I know what I saw, and it was interesting.

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It was interesting, but yet it was scary at the

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same time, because you don't know what he would have

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done if I wasn't even interested in me. It's just

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he realized he's seen movement, probably in the kitchen itself

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when he was there, and he was just checking us

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out determining what's going on here? What is this? That's

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all I can really tell you. I know the guy

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intelligence they have to have I'm guessing they would, but no,

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I wish I'd like to see him again. I would,

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but I haven't seen traces or heard of anything since then.

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This has been this has been over a decade ago.

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Okay. I was going to ask you, because we know

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it happened in November, but you're saying it was over

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a decade ago.

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Yeah, ten years ago.

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Yeah. We haven't said anything to anybody about it because

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I don't think they would believe me anyway. But I

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let me and the wife know what we saw.

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Yeah. Absolutely, And the thing is, will be really careful

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how we talk about and you'll see why in a minute.

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But I don't know if you're a bigfoot guy since

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then or if you've got into the subject. But we

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do know you're from central Illinois. And if you look

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into the subject and go to places like the BFRO

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or the Bigfoot Mapping Project, there's a ton of sightings

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that are happening in the central Illinois area. And you've

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got that. I believe it's the Illinois River. There's a

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ton of sightings and even recent ones too. And it's

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like people think, oh, yeah, Illinois, there's not stuff happening

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in a Midwestern state. But guys, there's stuff happening in

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a Midwestern state. It's not even just southern Illinois, it's

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central too. Peoria area has a ton of stuff going on.

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Yeah, you had a thing on there about Peuy That's

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why I got me interested. That's why I emailed you, Okay,

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because that's I'm within fifty miles of that of yours,

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or sixty miles within Peoria, and I know, goodwell these

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if he's down here, he's they traveled. I'm really don't

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know how far the travel, but they probably traveled rivers

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just for simple fact of food and water source. I'm

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guessing we've watched the Bigfoot research there on a youth

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on travel channel. Oh yeah, yep, we've watched that a

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long time. Yeah, we I had a real interest in it.

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Then when I finally got to see one from myself, Okay,

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now I know what they're chasing. But they've been around

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for what hundreds of years? There have been sightings from way.

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Back right, Oh yeah, there's documented sightings at least eighteen hundreds,

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and then you've got oral tradition from different Native American

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tribes of course, that go way way back. Yeah, the

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sky's the limit for stories about these creatures or however

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you want to look at them. But let's talk a

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little bit about what you saw. So you were looking

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towards you had a garage, because you had mentioned that

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there's a foundation out there, But then there's also a garage, right.

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No, that's the foundation of what I got. I took

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the garage down. Okay, it just we just got rid

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of it, and it's nothing but the foundation out there.

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Now, gotcha, that's the same area, yeah, got it. So

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it's standing next to the foundation.

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Yeah, he was standing into the corner. He sat in

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the corner of the garage yourself, which will be by

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the in the north corner of the garage yourself, where

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you could see part of his leg and torsol, but

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his head was above the bottom part of the roof itself.

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You can see just about half of his face, And

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that's when I looked. That's when we both looked up.

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And he's staring right in the window of the kitchen. Okay,

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Now the kitchen sits up high, so we were about

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eye level with him in a rough sense. Grog sits

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down the hill, you know what I mean, and the

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lower part of the property, and it's probably it's probably

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maybe fifty to seventy five feet from the house, if

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even that's how close he was.

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Oh wow to.

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The house itself. Yeah yeah, Well, got the back door.

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You take about thirty steps and you're on the foundation.

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Got it now, you said, so, I'm just trying to

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wrap up. When I think of foundation, I think of

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a house foundation. How tall would you estimate that this creature.

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Was about about eight nine feet?

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Okay? Gotcha? Gotcha?

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So to the bottom because the garage is on a

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flat slab and it's got a four inch rat wall, okay.

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And then after that it goes up eight feet and

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then the raptors are hooked onto it. So it was

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eight feet four inches off of the slab, and you

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can see the you can see half of his face

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at the bottom of the roofline itself, at the very edge, okau.

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Or you stand it on the edge by the garage

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there behind the garage, on the edge of it, and

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you can see that much of his face looking over

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the top of it.

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I'm getting eight ninety feet.

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Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

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It was brownish with a little bit of gray or

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silver maybe, and he was looking at his a little

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silver runnings. Yeah, he was coming and he was yeah

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he had it was like him and walked over and

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he walked over there and then stood by the garage.

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I think is what he was. I don't know. You

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must have stopped when you realize you've seen the movement

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in here. I'm I don't know for quick second. Yeah,

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you look at something straight into the into the face.

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You know exactly what details there was.

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Oh, there's no denying that for sure. Yeah, what so

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you saw it? It was late at night. Now, did you

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have a light in the back, like a security light

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or was there enough?

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Yeah? We got a yeah, we got a yard light

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in the back poles about forty thirty five forty feet

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just to the east of that.

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Got it.

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It lights up the whole backyard. So I don't know

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how he everybody around here has whole lights. But there's

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also dark spots where you can maneuver through, and I

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think it's what I don't know, if you just taking

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a chance of shooting across the road. I have no

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idea I even went next door to even look in

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the yard and stuff, and then I come up empty handed,

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and she was asking what I was looking for, and

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I said, nothing, you're telling you anyway, you boy, tell

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me I was nuts.

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But anyhow, Yeah, that's a tricky thing with neighbors because

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that could make things weird. But you could also, you know,

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throw out the whole heye seeing anything weird around here,

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and you never know. That can sometimes work, but it's

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all depending on you're the one that knows how your

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relationship is and all that good stuff with the neighbors.

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Going back to what you'd seen there, you said it

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was brown with grayish patches. Now did you get a

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look as to what the shape of the head was.

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The sheep of the head was more of a cross

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between a human and a gorilla. In my opinion, he

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didn't have the protruit. He had the regular gorilla type

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nose and maybe a portion of the mouth itself, but

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more and other it just like it become a human

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type figure. Okay, he didn't look like a monkey. He

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looked like a cross between. It's really hard to explain,

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but it wasn't. It wasn't a full gorilla look.

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It was more.

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If if I would have seen a side view, I

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would I would I would probably give you a better

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answer on that. But from what I could tell, and

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like I said, only seeing about half of his face anyway,

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and what I can tell, he was more human.

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Like how long would you estimate that you were able

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to look at you mentioned that you were able to

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look in its eyes for a bit.

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Fifteen to twenty seconds.

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We both had a stare off.

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Okay, yeah, I think I want when he moved his

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hand up there and waved goodbye and he was gone.

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Not many people can say that they want to stare

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off with the bigfoot.

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So congratulations, I take I take the one to stare

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off where he probably looked at me and said, oh man,

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that ugly. I got nothing to do with you.

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I got to go, you know, yeah, there you go.

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So we both looked right at him, just as plain

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as I'm talking to you. We and yeah, there was

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four eyeballs, starings and two staring back and big ones,

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two big eyeballs.

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So for people that it was interesting, it was interesting.

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Absolutely for people that aren't familiar with the gorilla, can

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you describe you'd mentioned the nose and mouth and maybe

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could you just drive a little bit there? What that

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what you actually saw? Yeah?

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Yeah, the nose was it was more of a flat

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broad with large nostrils like a gorilla would have.

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And the mouth itself.

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I couldn't see much of it because that's about all

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I could see of the faces up.

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But his eyes were.

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They weren't like a gorilla's eyes. They were just more

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of a oh not a humanized They're just a big

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human eyeball. They were just a little different, a little

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bit bigger than what ours would be. I wish I

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could stare at him a little longer. I wish I

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took a picture dog gone on And I couldn't. There's

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no way in the world I could ever do that.

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But he wasn't there long enough. But it was. Yeah,

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his face features simulated a gorilla, but he simulated a

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human also. He had human look to it, and an

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animal looked to him also, and a pridmate looked to

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him also.

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Wow, did you notice a color to the eye at all?

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They were just dark?

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Maybe there wasn't no glowing or no eye shine that

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I could see, no glowing or nothing. Oh, they were

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just brown, maybe black. I couldn't tell.

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You okay, so something dark?

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Yeah, it was. Yeah, I wish he was a little

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bit lighter out, but I think it was a little

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bit lighter out. He wouldn't have been her.

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Oh yeah, he was shopping.

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Yeah, he was making the chicken for supper.

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The mouth, he was getting the cheese, getting some chickens,

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for sure, the mouth did. It wasn't like you weren't

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able to see any teeth or anything like that, right, No.

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No, I'm sorry to tell you. I couldn't see anything

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like that. His arms are long, he were huge. They

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were huge. Because the thing is he wasn't completely behind

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the garage. He was like on the edge of it,

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and you could see his arm and his horsefow down

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to his legs. I couldn't see his feet because he

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was standing on the ground. And I got a concrete

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there's a ramp that goes up to the garage itself,

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but that somebody poured years ago because the garage says

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higher than the dirt and just make it easier for

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the car to be parked. And he was standing right

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there in that corner. But his arms were shoot, they

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had to be four foot long, didn't they every bit

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that they were long? And his hands were huge or

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he's Yeah, his hands were huge because he his hands

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was bigger than two of mine put together. And I

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don't have little hands that you could see plain his

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day in the bottom of it. And the bottom of

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his hands was a it was a pinky or a

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flesh pink color. Remember when you can see his hands

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plane is day his whole hand. Yeah, there wasn't any

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hair on him on the bottoms. It's like a human

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hand is a huge one or a gorilla hand kind

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of the knuffles and they simulated a primate hand.

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Okay, Yeah, if you had to first locking with the eyes,

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did you get any emotion from either the face of

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the creature or when you locked eyes with it? Was

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there any emotion conveyed? It all from it motion from me?

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Or Yeah?

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Probably more of a surprise curiosity because I probably stopped

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him in mid He probably stopped because he's seen movement now,

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so because maybe he froze and was curious to see

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what we were doing or what we are. Maybe he

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didn't know we were up, and he probably wasn't expecting

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anybody to be up. That's my opinion. But it was

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more of a stop. He just freezed to blend in

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with the surroundings for a second. I'm guessing absolutely, But

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it didn't take him long.

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He was gone.

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And yeah it was one eye contact. Yep.

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Could you see any muscles under the hair at all?

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They're muscular from the arm from what I could tell

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with the arm on let's see it had been on

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his left side. Yeah, his arms are. They're pretty beefy.

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They're not muscular as in lumpy. There they was. They

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were big. Is the big all the way to the

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elbow and then popeyed and then went to the hand.

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I mean by popeyed, is you know how Popeye is

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with his fore arms. That's that's why I'm well, I

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would describe it there they could. Yeah, if they if

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you ever got a hold of anything, he would he

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made short work of caring in half. No doubt in

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my mind, they're not anything to mess with. I would

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think they're real.

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Do you think that what you saw was male or female?

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Or was it hard to tell?

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It was hard to tell, Like I said, I could

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only see.

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A part of the sword, part of the arm, and

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the leg and half of his head. But I know,

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but yeah, it looks like a male star on this

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side you could see.

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Okay, okay, if you said it look like a male to.

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Her, Okay, that's interesting.

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Different people are going to notice different things there you go.

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Yep, yep, it's true. And my wife is a stickler

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for detail.

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I get you. That's good.

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A lot of patients with that woman.

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Hey, that's what we need. That's what we need.

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Right. Oh yeah, she's Oh she looks things over like

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crazy for we've purchased on it.

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Sure to scratch its game?

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All Oh absolutely, I mean, and that's where she is.

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She been that way and that's the characters you gotta

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like about it. But anyway, so.

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Looking looking at what you saw in your mind, the

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size of the head, did it remind you of the

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size of any object that you have in your house?

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Oh yeah, I'm probably I'm guessing a closer zim was

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to the size of it would be probably our air fryer.

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Oh wow, yeah, he's pretty sized. Ours are the round

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air fryer. So it's about maybe fourteen inches tall, twelve

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inches wide type of thing. His head was proportional to

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his body. With that, I do know it wasn't out

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of proportion of it was being too small or too big.

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It was in proportion with his body. And I think

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with a head that the size of that air fire stuff.

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With n being nine foot tall, I think he's pretty

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well made, just like you're supposed to be.

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I'm guessing absolutely.

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I couldn't see it.

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I couldn't see any ears because his hair and his

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head was just pumped full of it. He's old, he's

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just completely fur all of it. For was no except

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for the bottom of his hands.

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There was one.

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And the only reason why I knew that is when

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he was hand over like saying I'm out of here.

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That's why you can see the bottom of.

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His hands now. So that actually reminds me because you

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had said that he made that he waved, I kind

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of looked like it and then you.

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Just got gesture, I'm out of here right now.

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Did did he actually disappear or did he just kind

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of move backwards into the dark.

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No, he was gone. He was as soon as he waved.

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I've seen him take off just just for a split second,

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and he was gone. Okay, he had a clear shot

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from that garage. There was no fence factor at that

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corner at that time, and he was he was gone.

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That's what I said.

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I went outside. Yeah, Leedy laughter that with a flashlight.

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I wanted to catch you limbs on him again. But no,

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I don't know where he wins and he there was

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no noises or anything like that. I could tell because

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the grain drivers were running in the back there. But no,

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he knew where he was going and he was being

465
00:24:58.440 --> 00:24:59.160
quiet about it.

466
00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:02.279
You actually saw him move away.

467
00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:05.960
Yeah, yeah, he was. Yeah, he just he was. But

468
00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:10.559
he was gone instant. I don't know how fast. I

469
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:12.880
don't have much of a stride. They take probably ten

470
00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:16.160
twelve foot stride. I don't know that my guess with

471
00:25:16.279 --> 00:25:19.319
his size of his body and from what I've seen

472
00:25:19.359 --> 00:25:22.240
on television, that's pretty normal for running.

473
00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:25.720
But no, he was he vanished.

474
00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:27.240
I don't know.

475
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:31.640
Now whether he now whether he tucked in and went

476
00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:34.799
by the in between the other two.

477
00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:37.359
Houses behind me in the dark.

478
00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:38.880
I don't know.

479
00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:40.400
He could have done that.

480
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:42.920
I had no clue and went out the back the

481
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:46.759
other way on the other side of the property. He

482
00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:49.279
could have done that too. But it's like I said,

483
00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:51.920
there's so many dark patches out here. You can go

484
00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:56.920
from locked lot and never be seen. I would guess

485
00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:59.640
because everybody's pole light's in a different area, and you

486
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.799
can only avoid the bright spots. He was Verry was

487
00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:06.640
whatever he was doing, he was being crafty at it,

488
00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:13.240
and he was he's making good. He's making what.

489
00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:18.079
No, he went far from the timber because the timber was.

490
00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:21.279
A mile and a half behind the house. But whatever

491
00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:24.880
he was doing, he was doing what he needed to do,

492
00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:29.400
probably eat. And now he found out that the chickens

493
00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:31.079
were around here, I'll never know.

494
00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:36.599
Oh yeah, they find out for sure. After you had

495
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:42.160
that sighting that night, did either you experience anything out

496
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:46.839
of the ordinary, any weird dreams or or hearing anything

497
00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:48.240
weird or anything like that.

498
00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:52.519
No, not that I can remember.

499
00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:55.279
If there was anything funny and you know about it,

500
00:26:55.839 --> 00:27:00.000
but no, huh, this gym was one of words chickens

501
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:05.720
disappearance and has a heart to tell him? Yeah, oh man, yeah,

502
00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:07.839
I wasn't gonna start. You think if I have said

503
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:10.000
you think about that, He's look at me like he

504
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:11.440
put me in the nut house.

505
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:15.720
Guarantee you that try to leave. But Jimmy, he's a

506
00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:16.160
good guy.

507
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:18.559
He's been around. We've been thinking to extort each other

508
00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:23.880
for twenty five years. Oh wow, we know each other

509
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:27.960
pretty good. But yeah, he like I said, he they started,

510
00:27:28.039 --> 00:27:31.400
the chicken slowly started to disappear, and he was thinking

511
00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:32.559
it was Kyot's doing it.

512
00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:33.839
And we have coyots around here.

513
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:36.359
We can hear him barking like crazy, and they or

514
00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:40.720
have been some coming into this area. And I've seen him.

515
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:43.839
You can hear him happen no more than fifteen twenty

516
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:46.759
feet from my back door, so I know they're here,

517
00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:49.880
and that's what he was thinking. I don't think so.

518
00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:52.799
If it was, they contributed a little bit, but I

519
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:55.200
think big boys. He was grocery shopping on a nightly

520
00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:57.920
baby he had anything in his other hand because I

521
00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:01.640
couldn't see it. I can only see torso, but I

522
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:03.279
know he didn't have anything in the hand that he

523
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:07.279
waved on because that wasn't nothing. There was nothing in it. Now,

524
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:09.759
whether he went shopping and didn't come up empty handed

525
00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:11.880
and he was heading back to where he needed to go,

526
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:17.799
that I can't tell you. I don't know, but it was. Yeah,

527
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:20.799
we know what we saw, and these things are real.

528
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:23.160
I don't care what anybody tells you that they're out there.

529
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:27.160
They're real, and I'm here to tell you I've seen one.

530
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:29.240
No dot my mind.

531
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:32.519
And the thing is both of you saw it at

532
00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:36.079
the same time at the same time exactly.

533
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:39.480
We both looked at each other. What we just what

534
00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:47.519
did we see? Did you see that? That was good? Fu? Yeah,

535
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:51.799
I thought, wow, okay, it's on my bucket list.

536
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:56.880
Well there you go. Yeah, you can cross that.

537
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:00.359
Heca just need to find one in the timber next

538
00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:04.000
that environment. I can't go for a hunt the next day,

539
00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:09.559
neither I had. Uh. Now I smoke dynamite and I

540
00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:14.279
when I wasn't gonna go in there. Uh, because the

541
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.119
way he had it, he was in the same direction.

542
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:19.000
I'm guessing he was heading back to that direction. That's

543
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:22.640
the area I hunt. I wouldn't have bought to.

544
00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:25.640
Go in there. No, I went hunting somewhere else. I

545
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:27.359
got more than one place a hunt around here.

546
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:31.759
Have you ever gone back in hunted in that area.

547
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:36.119
Yes, I have. I have done it about a year later,

548
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:37.039
went back in.

549
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:37.680
But I never.

550
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:42.960
And when you when you see something like that, and

551
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.079
and you go back into the timber and he headed

552
00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:49.400
this direction, you just have a to me it was

553
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:52.680
not being on edge, but just be a little more

554
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:57.960
alert of your sounding and your surroundings because you don't know,

555
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:03.039
you know, I I mean, I know you're I mean

556
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:06.480
I hunt with you know, with I small game hunt.

557
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:08.599
That's all I hunt. I don't dare hunt or anything

558
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:09.000
like that.

559
00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:15.400
And what I carry for for firearms is really not

560
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:19.480
much more than a four to ten or twenty two. Sure,

561
00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:23.640
And that's when you're just a little more I think

562
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:28.160
you're just a little more, oh more sensitive about your

563
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:31.839
surroundings because in the back of your mind, maybe he

564
00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:34.839
is here, maybe he's not, but you don't know that.

565
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:38.440
And that's the way it was when I finally went back,

566
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:41.960
and that was a year later. No, I never went

567
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.000
hunting back there ever since that happened, not till not

568
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.680
till the following a year they come back, then squirrel

569
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:51.400
season rolled back around. I never went back to that

570
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:56.559
timber again till then. So he just got mistick in

571
00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:58.519
the back of your mind. I don't really want to

572
00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:01.079
run across team. I don't know what would happened. I

573
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:01.759
have no idea.

574
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:04.079
He'd probably just some squares here to me.

575
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:07.359
As I am a him. But you don't know that

576
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.839
if anything ever happened, I can't say.

577
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:13.119
Yeah, at the end of the day, it sounds as

578
00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:14.960
he said, he was just grocery shopping.

579
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:19.000
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking of, grocery shopping. Yeah, he

580
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:21.880
wanted chicken for supper and he was trying to get

581
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:25.119
it or he did have it or something, but there

582
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:30.119
you go. I've never seen any feathers around here either. Nothing,

583
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:32.279
So when he caught him, or if he did, but

584
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:34.440
if he was the one that he took him home

585
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:37.319
winning and not to me, you would have hurt the

586
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:43.240
chickens going crazy, but no, never did not around here.

587
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:48.720
We'll see. Here's the thing, because I think, so this

588
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:52.519
is just me personally. I think what might happen is

589
00:31:53.759 --> 00:32:00.279
they use something like infrasound to just paralyze him and

590
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:01.119
then just pick him up.

591
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:02.240
Oh well, and then.

592
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:04.640
There they go. Because I took a report where it

593
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:10.119
was an individual who saw one walk across pick up

594
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:14.079
a goose and the goose was like whatever about it,

595
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:18.599
didn't even move, didn't even freak out, really just walked off. Yeah,

596
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:22.039
so I think there could be potentially some you know,

597
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.960
his apple with infra sound, and then that's why you

598
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:25.920
didn't hear anything.

599
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:31.960
But who knows anything possible, and that would justify not

600
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:35.880
hearing anything going on, right, And that's what I said,

601
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:38.240
he's stealthy.

602
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:41.039
He knew what he was doing, and he was good

603
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:41.440
at it.

604
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:44.000
It's just his way of surviving.

605
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:44.759
I'm guessing.

606
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:47.279
But yeah, with that, and.

607
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:52.240
He he disabled the goose and picked him up. Huh, exactly,

608
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:57.000
Well he does something. Yeah, if possible, anything possible.

609
00:32:57.400 --> 00:32:59.799
After you see something like that, anything is possible.

610
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:01.720
Yeah, that's absolutely something.

611
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:06.480
But thank you so much for coming on the show,

612
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:11.279
for both of you sharing what you experience. Most encounters

613
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:14.039
that are shared just one person seeing it. This is

614
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:17.160
cool because it's the both of yous. So appreciate you, uh,

615
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:20.839
details about what you saw, and if anything else ever

616
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.839
happens around your area, feel free to reach out.

617
00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:26.599
You will be the first to know exactly.

618
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:28.279
I appreciate that, guys, and.

619
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:30.279
I hope and I hope I do. I hope I

620
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:35.119
like to see another one again, because they're like I said, there,

621
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:41.240
they're their own breeds, their own deal, and there's been

622
00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:44.680
tons of sightings and you just got to respect the creature.

623
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:46.920
That's all. I'm not out there.

624
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:49.519
I'm not out to the trophy hunting or nothing like that.

625
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:51.599
He's doing his life and I'm doing mine.

626
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:55.279
It's just we met up one night, but you're God.

627
00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:01.000
I personally think I want the staring, but he's the

628
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.680
one that blamed first, or wait said goodbye. But that's

629
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:08.320
the way I feel about it. But anyway, there you go.

630
00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:11.960
It was it's a lifetime. It was the once in

631
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:15.360
a lifetime thing. I'd like to see it again. But

632
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:17.480
we'll see the only time will tell.

633
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:20.079
That's right, And butch I hope you hope that maybe

634
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:23.320
you get that opportunity to see it again. Guys, thanks

635
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:25.480
so much for coming on and chatting tonight.

636
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:29.440
Yeah, absolutely my pleasure.

637
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.920
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