March 18, 2025

Face to Face on Mount Si! | Washington

Join us in this gripping episode as we chat with Rob, a 71-year-old hunter, fisherman, and BFRO member from Washington State. Rob shares intriguing accounts from a lifetime of outdoor adventures, including his first captivating Bigfoot encounter near...

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Season 1

Join us in this gripping episode as we chat with Rob, a 71-year-old hunter, fisherman, and BFRO member from Washington State. Rob shares intriguing accounts from a lifetime of outdoor adventures, including his first captivating Bigfoot encounter near Mount Si in 1967. The episode delves into various hair-raising experiences in locations like Bumping Lake and the Olympic Peninsula, where Rob recounts mysterious vocalizations, elusive tracks, and startling close encounters. His deep involvement with Bigfoot research and the BFRO offers a riveting journey through Washington's enigmatic Bigfoot history. Don't miss this in-depth look into Rob's encounters and insights into the elusive Sasquatch.

Contact Rob here: aimsafety@comcast.net

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slash the big for Society and now let's get on

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with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society got the privilege

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of talking to Rob today. Rob's an individual that I

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reached out to I believe, and ask him to come

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on the show. He's got an interesting background. He's a

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seventy one year old lifelong resident in Washington State. He's

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a hunter, fisherman, outdoorsman, and a member of the BFRO.

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So he's been involved with some very interesting things. So

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we were kind of chatting a little bit before the

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show started. But welcome to the show. Rob, how's it

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going today for you?

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Oh? Thanks, Jeremy, I very well. How are you doing?

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I'm doing great. It's a great day when I'm able

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to talk to some people about Bigfoot. I can't beat that.

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So I'm just excited to have you on so we

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can have this conversation. But you know, Rob, when I

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have a researcher like yourself on the show, I always

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like to start with you know, what was it that

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first got you into the passionate, passionate search for Bigfoot

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along the years?

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Okay, well, the story gets a little bit in depth,

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but I'll try to convince it as much as you can. Okay,

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you here, and let's see nineteen. I gotta go back here.

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Nineteen sixty seven, some friends of mine and I had

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had little trail bi ex Honda nineties, Yamaha eighties, that

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kind of thing, and we were growing up in Seattle,

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no place really to ride them, but I had spent

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a lot of time up in North Bend, Washington with

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my dad fishing the little rivers and streams and ponds

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and grouse hunting and all that up there, and it

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was an ideal place to go ride these little bikes.

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So a couple of us talked our dads into loading

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up trucks with these little motorcycles and taking us up

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for a nice long weekend in July and sixty seven.

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So there were four of us with motorcycles. One guy

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didn't have one. We all agreed to take turns carrying

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him around, and our parents dropped us off and we

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rode around for a little while and found a good

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camp spot. Now I should say that the area was

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supposedly closed due to fire hazard, but you know, we

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were kind of scofflaws and we could tuck the little

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motorcycles underneath the gates quite easily, So we kind of

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set up stealth camp down this dead end, old abandoned

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logging road and into the trees where we couldn't be seen.

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We did nav camp fires or anything like that. But

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one of my reasons for wanting to go to that

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location was up on top of Mount Sai, which people

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in North Bend are on the east side of Lake

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Washington would be familiar with. On the top of Mount

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Sai was an old beaver pond with a creek flowing

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out of it, and that creek always had a nice

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population of little cutthroat trot in it, so I wanted

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to take the guys up there and go fish that.

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that creek flows off the top of the mountain and

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goes through a little waterfall and collects and men's into

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the Snoquamee River. So our first night was pretty uneventful,

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and we get up that morning and we decide we're

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all going to go up the hill and go up

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to this beaver pond and do some fishing. So you

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ride the motorcycles up there, we kind of stuff them

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off in the bushes. We go through this little trail

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it's only about twenty five thirty feet long to get

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to the creek, and we get to the creek and

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we rig up our fish and raw uds, and we're

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all kind of spreading out along this creek and you know,

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just using a single salmon egg to kind of plunk

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along these little holes. And I'm working my way downstream

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and I get to a point where I'm probably maybe

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one hundred and twenty five feet from the next year's

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buddy of mine, and I'm just about to drop my

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line in this little hole when there was this absolutely

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ear splitting guttural, screaming, growl kind of noise. I just

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really can't even describe it. It was just so alarming

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and it was so loud, and it just shocked me.

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get my bearings and understand what it just happened. And

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it then just panic overtook me, and I raced back

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up the creek to where my buddies were, and the

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four of them were standing there all together, and those

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who had pocket knives had their knives out, and they're

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all staring at the skill side in front of them.

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usual thing. You guys heard that, Where is it? What

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was it? And they all heard it, and I'll start

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talking back and forth about what is it? Don't know,

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can't see, And we're looking over this hillside in front

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of us. It's been logged off, and there's a stump

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all bleached out white on top of it is like

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a salmonberry bush, and we see this big brown arm

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come out kind of sweep the bush to the side

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a little bit, and as it did that, this head

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appeared from behind the stump, peeking up over the top

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of the stump at us, and it did that a

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couple times, and we're just shocked. I mean, no idea

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what this might be. So after probably fifteen twenty seconds

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of this going on, one of the guys jumps up

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on this big rock beside us and starts waving his

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arms and yelling, and we did that. This thing stood

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up and it was monstrous. It was just this giant,

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air covered, nine foot tall, bodybuilder looking kind of thing

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standing behind this stump and staring at us, absolutely motionless,

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just staring straight at us. And we had never seen

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or heard of anything like this before. I think the

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closest any of us could come to describing it was

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not long before we'd all been spending the night at

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my buddy Rich's house and we had watched the old

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Peter Cushing movie about the Abominable Snowman, and one of

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the guys said, well, it's an abominable snowman, and the

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rest of us are like, no, those things are white.

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This things start brown. What is this? And it's just

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standing there staring at us. So finally one of the

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guys has had enough of it, and he jumps up

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and waves his arms and does this big kind of

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screen back at it, and it stood there and looked

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at us, and then it turned to its left and

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walked off, and it was probably about fifty yards to

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get into the trees across this old clearcut, and it

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just walked straight off into the trees, and that's you know.

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We didn't hear anything more from it. So we decided

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that getting the heck out of there was the best

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decision we could make, and we literally ran back to

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the motorcycles and took off, and I don't think we

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stopped to catch our breath or talk again until we

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were about probably ten twelve miles down the road from there.

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And then the agreement was we needed to find a

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place to stay and try and find a place where

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there were other people, which was quite hard to do

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because again Warehousard shut down the whole area due to

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fire danger and we had snuck yet. And a long

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story short, we did finally find a guy and two

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girls that had a camp set up, and the guy

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had a rifle, and so we decided to camp with him,

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and the next day we made our way home. So

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that was our first big event and we talked about

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it for years afterwards, and I talked about it with

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my dad, my grandfather, and they were both big time outdoorsmen.

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My grandfather had probably roomed just about every square inch

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of the state in his lifetime. And you know, nobody

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could tell us what it was. We saw, no one

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had ever seen anything like it. And so that went

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on for a little ways and then we, you know,

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we just kind of let it go away. And then

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probably in seventy or seventy one, my mother found an

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article in a newspaper about some guys going to a

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public library on Mercer Island and they were doing a

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presentation on sasquatch. So, okay, it sounds good to me.

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Let's go see what this is all about. So I

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went to that thing, and these two young men were

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talking about about well, I don't think the term bigfoot

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was being used quite then. Again, this has been seventy two,

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seventy three, but they were talking about the sasquatch that

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were known to be in California, in British Columbia and

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probably parts of Washington. And what they were saying is

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quite fascinating. And they made reference to a gentleman by

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the name of John Green, and they were selling copies

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of his books there and so anyway kind of logged

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all that into my memory banks there and went on

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about it. And then I finally looked up this John Green,

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and I wrote him a letter and said he had

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really interested in talking to you. This happened to me,

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if you want to know about it, long story short,

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He had a friend who lived in Bellevue sent me

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up with him to go tell him my story. He'd

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record it for John Green, and John Green could decide

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what he wanted to do with it from there. So

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I met this gentleman who was purple older than my dad,

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and he was kind of a pseudo investigator for John

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he'd take some reports down down here in the Seattle area,

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and apparently he thought I was credible enough that the

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next thing I know, John Green is calling me in

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saying he's coming to town. We'll meet at this mutual

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friend's house and he wants to take my story. So

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at the point in time I show up at this house,

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I meet John Green. John Green has brought with him

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a movie projector and he has his copy of the

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Patterson Geinman film. And probably one of the best nights

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of my life was sitting there at Nick's Coffee table

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or dining room table, drinking coffee and watching the Patterson

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Ginman film being you know that John had on this

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projector John would write back and forth and we'd stop

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and talk about motions and movements, and I was just

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I was hooked. That was it. That's all I needed.

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I was suddenly a firm believer in Bigfoot, that the

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scene was real, that it was what I had seen,

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and I needed to know more. So I agreed to

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work for John Green and take reports from the Seattle area,

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doing follow up investigations on them. And that's what I

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did for a number of years until career path and

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other obligations took me kind of away from the subject.

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As much as I wanted to spend on it, I couldn't.

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Rob That's a what a fascinating intro. I do have

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a few questions for you about that. The two gentlemen,

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the two younger gentlemen doing the presentation, was that Roger

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Patterson and Bob Giinnon.

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It was not No. I later met Roger Patterson, and

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I subsequently met Bob Ginlan, of course, but no, I

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don't know who these guys were. I never ran across

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them again. It was just the my mother had seen

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this article in the newspaper about this presentation, and so

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I went and Yeah, I never met him again or

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knew anything about him.

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That's really interesting to kind of history. I wonder if

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anyone has any ideas, we'll see. But also, who was

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the gentleman that was working with John Green that you

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talked to initially.

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Oh, his name is Nick Carter.

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He was a ex pat Canadian, and I think that's

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what he had mostly in common with John. But Nick

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also fancied himself an outdoor writer, and he'd written the book,

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and he'd confabbed a bit with John Green on on

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bits and pieces of all the area around Harrison Hot

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Springs that Nick really wasn't familiar with, but John was.

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And I think that's how the two of them really

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got going together, you know, having Nick kind of do

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the filtering of stories or accounts, you know, here in

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the US, or at least in Washington State.

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Going back to your initial citing a few questions about that,

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from what you say, you'd mentioned that you did see

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the head a few times around the stump, and from

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what you saw was it would you describe it more

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as something that was ape like or human like, or

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maybe just something completely different.

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You know, it seemed to mostly be a combination. It

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definitely had a chronical head that was very pronounced and obvious.

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It had a very heavy brow ridge, but not really

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like a gorilla's brow ridge. It was somewhere between a

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grin and a pronounced human brow ridge. But the muscular

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churi the thing was just off the charts, you know.

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Shoulders had to be four to four and a half

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feet wide. It was probably close to nine foot in height.

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In fact, later on I went back to John Green

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asked me to go back up and spend some time

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investigating your You see what else I could dig up.

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So I did, and I measured the underbrush where this

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thing had been standing, and John transposed to the height

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of the brush to where I saw the brush coming

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to on this creature and determined it was nine feet tall,

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shoulders probably four foot in with just big massive thing.

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You were able to see it move across to the

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tree line that day. And then you have also seen

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the Patterson Gimlin film as well. You've mentioned did you

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note were there any similarities between the two different things

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you saw, or was it something completely different from Patty.

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I'd say it's exactly the same thing as Patty, a

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little bit larger, and I think the stride was a

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little bit longer than what I saw from the Patterson

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Gimmian film. But other than that, pretty much the same thing.

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Did you notice anything you need about its gait as

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it walked across to the tree line.

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Just the way it moved, it seemed to really float

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more than anything you know human walks, or is that

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little bounce as one leg transitions to the next one

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to the next, leaving legs kind of an upward rise,

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and this thing didn't. I mean, it was almost like

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you could have set a glass of water on its

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head and not spilled a drop as it walked.

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Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

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The scream that you heard that day, have you heard

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anything else that comes close to that scream?

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No? Never, And I have checked every source that's ever

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come down the pike in this since that time, and

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there's never been anything just like it.

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Okay, And I'm sure you have gone into animal databases

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and listen to all sorts of different animals and nothing

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comes close.

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You're saying, yeah, I think that we were all pretty

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much in common with thinking that it sounded like it

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was a mixture of an elephant trumpeting and a lion's war,

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which would seem to be quite impossible to blend the two.

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But that's what we came away with, describing it as.

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That's very interesting. That is a description that I get

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in my emails a whole lot. It just it's just

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one of those things. It shows up every once in

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a while, and man, I don't know what I think

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about it, but it's just a very weird thing, right,

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But people are hearing something similar to what you just described.

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Was there a catalyst event then that got you back

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into the bigfoot research field?

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I think probably, yeah, there was. When John Green met

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with me, he asked me what it would take for

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me to be able to go back up and spend

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maybe a week up there, and I said, you know,

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as menial as it is, it is a new job,

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I'm on, I don't I don't want to give it up,

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and you know, not have that source of income to

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go spend time me. So he ended up giving me

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ten copies of each of the three booklets that he

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had in publication at the time, and with the intent

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that I would sell the booklets, and that would give

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me the money to go up and spend more time

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back up in the North Bend, Montsei area. So it

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took a couple of months, but I did manage to

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get those books sold off, and a buddy mine and

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I decided we'd pair up and go back up there

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and spend time hanging out and see what we could find.

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And we did find more footprints. The best one was unfortunately,

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in a little drainage dish on the side of the

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side of the road coming down the hill, and so

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there was no possibility of casting that. I did photograph

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some other ones down lower in some leaf deaf but

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you know, other than that, we didn't find anything more

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at that time in that area. And so I'm sorry

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I kind of forgot what your question was as I

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started to ramble there.

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No, that is extremely interesting, and we'll swing back around

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to that in a minute. But I'm sure that the

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fact of selling, or the story of probably selling those

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books was probably interesting in itself. How did you did

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you just randomly go up to people or you had

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people that you knew that were into big foot, Hey,

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maybe you'll like to check this out, or.

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Well, I was still in high school at the time,

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excuse me, And so I was trying to sell them

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among my friends. And I actually sold a set of

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books to my American history teacher. She was interested in

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the subject. So yeah, I was just selling them to

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fellow students.

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Oh, man, imagine if you had those today. But you

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may have, you may have some. But uh, those those

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are pretty Yeah, those are pretty hard to get. Well,

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I maybe out there they're easier to get, but I'm

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in Iowa. They're kind of They're hard to find out here,

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of course. But yeah, how long or how what were

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the dimensions of the tracks that you had found that day?

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The track was about eighteen inches in length, and measuring across,

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the ball of the foot was about nine inches and

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then the heel was about four and a half inches

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around the on the back of the calcutaneous bone there.

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It's very interesting. So then after that what happened there?

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Were you then back into the subject from there on out,

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and you were going out and looking, and.

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You know, I tried to back away from it a

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little bit. It's kind of interesting because when when my

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buddy and I were up there for that week, you know,

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trying to fulfill the obligation of John Green. We met

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two guys in the jeep. So backing up a little bit,

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I was afraid to go back in the woods again

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after this event occurred John Green after meeting him, and

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he tells me what these things are in his best opinion,

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but he also tells me one needs to be shot

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in order for science to validate the existence. Then suddenly

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I was good with that, and I carried my hunting

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rifle and so my didn't I. After this trip, my

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buddy and I were walking down the road back to

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his car and we're carrying rifles and the guys in

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the cheap pull up and say, well, what are you

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guys hunting? I said, they wouldn't believe us if we

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told you, and they said, no, no, you know what,

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there's nothing open, there's nothing, you know, it's not deer season.

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And I said, no, we're actually we're hunting bigfoot sasquatch.

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And this guy says, oh, well, man, you got to

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go to a font lake Fontal outside of du Ball.

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Friend of ours had a cabin up there and he

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had one walk by and look in his window at him,

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and that's a great place to go. So sad gave

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us a new a new place to go hang out.

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And so after after you know, this stuff with John Green,

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John would call me periodically if there was if he

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had a report that he wanted to follow up on

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down here in this area. I'd go do that, uh,

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you know, do tape recording of the interviews or whatever

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the person was willing to do and get the information

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down to John. But that was that was kind of

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the momentum. And now all of a sudden, my group

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of friends are getting interested in this, and we're going

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out and looking for Sasquatch and more areas and had

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some interesting experiences look at remote leak out in Douval

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and just kind of branched out from there. I'd hear

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something from somebody, you know, you usually the friend of

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a friend kind of thing. If they found out what

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I was interested in, they'd say, oh, you need to

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talk with my brother in law, you need to call

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my cousin. He saw something over on the Olympic Peninsula,

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and you know, just kind of kept me bouncing around looking.

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And that's how it goes with this whole subject. It

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feels like, at least to me, you just you start

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going down these little rabbit trails, and then someone just

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gives you some info and it you're on another rabbit trail,

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or you're looking at one area a different way, and

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it's just it's a really fun time. I really enjoy it.

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It really scratches the itch that I have in my brain,

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so I cannot complain, and so I love doing it.

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What was the weirdest thing that you experienced up at

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Lake Fontale?

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So they went camping up there. I had my girlfriend

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with me and two of my buddies. I had my

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female German shepherd with me. My girlfriend had her Norwegional

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kind of her. We were camped on this little knoll

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halfway around this lake. The lake had at one time

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been the exclusive property of the Seattle Men's Club, and

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it was kind of very retreat. They used to have

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the lake stocked with rainbow trout, and then in later

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years the Archdiocese of Seattle acquired the property and they

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used the old the old resort as kind of their

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retreat facility, but they left the access to the lake open.

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So anyway, my girlfriend and I are tured our two

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dogs and two friends of ours, and we're halfway around

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the lake. There's there's a little bit of a knoll

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there that was flat on top, and we were set

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up for camping and it was too hot that night.

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I couldn't sleep in the tent, so I went out

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and strung my hammock up and was laying in my hammock,

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and my female German shepherd, as usual by my side,

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she was laying underneath my hammock. And I woke up

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to the sound of something, you know, moving around in

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the bushes, you know, you just hear Lynn's swishing back

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and forth. And I wasn't sure what it was, and

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so I sat up and turned on my flashlight and

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looked over it kind of this little bit of the hill,

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and I could see my girlfriends in Norwegian now count

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and he would charge into underneath the cedar tree and

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he'd kind of swroll around in and he'd come back out,

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and then he'd go back in at another angle. And

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he was playing with something down there, and I don't

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know what it was, but my German shepherd wasn't moving.

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She was standing there ears of full attention. Her hacks

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were up. She wasn't going to leave my side for nothing.

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So I woke up my buddies and I said, hey, guys,

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something happening just over the hill here. And you know,

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my girlfriend's dog is going in and outlis brush and

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I don't know what it is down there, but but

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there's something in there playing with the dog. So we

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decided we were going to try and approach it the

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trail we came in on paralleled the lake shore, and

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so two of the guys decided they were going to

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go up onto the trail and I was going to

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take my dog and go down into where this whatever

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this was, and follow it or try and chase it

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out to where they might be able to see it,

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because the woods were much more open on the trail

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that they were walking. So we all started down and

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on end. And as I was walking through there, my

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dog was staying, My German Sheppard was just tight at

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my side, hacks up. She was on alert, moving very stealthily.

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But as we were going through, I could see tree

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limbs in front of us coming back into places after

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they'd been pushed aside. But I couldn't see anything itself,

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just these the motion of these tree limbs. Well I

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knew that very soon we were coming up into an

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area that was just a bunch of old rotten alders

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and visibility would improve greatly, So I just kind of

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kept pressing on. My buddies are still coming down the trail,

456
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and all of a sudden, whatever it was in front

457
00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:42.279
of the just exploded out of there, just, I mean

458
00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:46.279
just boom, busted out of the brush and took off running. Well,

459
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:48.160
I knew it had gotten to the clearcut and it

460
00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:51.000
was trying to get across the clear cut. So my

461
00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:53.319
buddies heard that and they started running down the trail

462
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:55.240
hoping to cut this thing off, and I'm trying to

463
00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:58.240
beat feet through the brush behind it. None of us

464
00:26:58.279 --> 00:27:00.160
caught sight of they were caught up to it. We

465
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:03.400
could hear it running off through the woods. So the

466
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:09.279
next day, daylight, well actually later daylight, we went back

467
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:11.279
up on the trail and tried to follow this thing.

468
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:14.400
And I don't recall what the track size was, but

469
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:17.319
we did find some big tracks. But in the trail,

470
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:20.359
in the path that this thing had taken, it was

471
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:23.839
a big old Douglas fir that had fallen down, as

472
00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:26.720
they do when they get too light, and the top

473
00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:29.119
of the truck, the top of the tree was about

474
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:31.240
four and a half to five feet above the ground

475
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:35.400
and whatever the thing was. It had put one foot

476
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:39.200
down on the ground in front of the tree and

477
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:41.680
then looked up and over this tree, which was to

478
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:43.319
the top of the tree was about five and a

479
00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:46.160
half feet high. It had cleared that tree and come

480
00:27:46.240 --> 00:27:49.319
down on the left foot on the other side of

481
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:51.599
the tree. I mean, it just made this running jump

482
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:55.440
over this big dog on tree and it continued off

483
00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:58.920
through the brush. So and again, you know, the track

484
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:05.039
was visibly enough or at least identifiable enough to recognize

485
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:08.160
it as kind of a human shape foot, but you know,

486
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:12.359
considerably larger. I don't think we well, I know, we

487
00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:14.519
didn't measure it because we didn't have anything to measure with.

488
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:17.200
But you know, I remember it was well beyond the

489
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:21.880
norms for a human size foot. And there wasn't anybody

490
00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:23.640
living back in there at that time. There are no

491
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:26.640
houses or anything else back there, So it was just

492
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:29.359
really a curious thing that it stayed around plain with

493
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:32.839
the dog and then it ran away from us little people.

494
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:37.960
It's really interesting, especially you know, you hear reports over

495
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:41.920
the years about supposed interactions with dogs, and you do

496
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:46.759
hear some some really interesting things, so it's not surprising.

497
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.039
It is it is interesting the way that the two

498
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:55.000
different dog breeds were reacting. Yeah, myself, my first dog

499
00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:58.240
was an Norwegian l count, so I can really picture

500
00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:02.319
it and it would get into some issues, you know,

501
00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:06.119
the porcupine quills in the face down by the reservoir

502
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:09.400
and things of that nature. But I could totally see

503
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:14.119
how that dog was definitely going after it. So how

504
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:17.279
old were you during that encounter.

505
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:21.759
Let's see that was eighteen or nineteen.

506
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:30.400
Oh wow, okay, that's really cool. So then what when

507
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.000
did you start to link up with the BFRORO. Is

508
00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:37.400
is that quite a time jump to get from you know,

509
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:40.920
your early twenties to when you linked up with the BFRO.

510
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:47.400
Yeah, that was probably in two thousand and twelve, I

511
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:50.720
think twelve and eleven or twenty twelve. Then I got

512
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:51.839
hooked up at the BFRORO.

513
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:57.160
And then that whole time frame between let's say, you

514
00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:00.119
know this Lake font Hall and then the bf or

515
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:04.599
that whole time are you still doing Bigfoot research with

516
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:05.680
your buddies.

517
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:10.480
Or yeah, we were continuing to look into things if

518
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:12.920
we heard about him.

519
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:15.200
Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages?

520
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:36.839
I remember there was a sighting and alleged siding made

521
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:42.640
the newspaper out in Maple Valley, Washington. Individual driving home

522
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:47.119
from Boeing one night after work said that he came

523
00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:49.519
around this corner and saw a cow sleeping on the

524
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:53.000
side of the road, and it concerned him and confused him,

525
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:55.839
and he stopped, rolled down his window to look at

526
00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:58.319
his cow. But what stood up and walked off into

527
00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:04.319
the woods was a bigfoot. So John had called me.

528
00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:06.039
John Green had called me and asked if I would

529
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:08.559
go look into that, and I did. My brother in

530
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:11.319
law and I went out there and spent considerable time

531
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:15.720
looking for this thing and looking for track. We did

532
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:20.000
find just off the road there was a piece of

533
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:22.839
sheet rock. People had been dumping stuff all over out there,

534
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.440
but there was a piece of sheet rock, probably like

535
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:30.720
four foot by five foot five eighth sheet rock, laying there,

536
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.079
and something had stepped on the middle of that and

537
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:35.519
there was a big impression. But because of the way

538
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:38.799
it broke, there was and you know, it's hard enough material,

539
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:42.079
there wasn't any definable toes or anything like that, but

540
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:46.160
just to kind of the overall outline of a very

541
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:52.119
large humanoid print was visible in the broken sheet rock

542
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:55.720
and so my brother in law and we went out

543
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:59.160
there several times. We went back and forth through the woods,

544
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:02.160
nothing down the power line and never found anything more

545
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:06.640
than that to substantiate the report or the plane. And

546
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:09.839
then I think one of the most interesting ones I

547
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:14.160
got on too, in the of an area of Pelop

548
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:18.680
called South Hill. There was a state trooper coming out

549
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:20.680
to go on the shift one night. And I don't

550
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:22.920
know how it is we are that our state patrolmen

551
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:26.240
they take their cars home with them, so from the

552
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:29.559
minute they lived to leave their driveway, they're on duty. Well,

553
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:31.839
the state trooper had come out of this little development

554
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:34.319
in his car, was coming down this road and a

555
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.799
bigfoot cross the road in front of him and then

556
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:38.960
went down through this delley off the other side of

557
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:45.200
the road and disappeared. Well, a news reporter who got

558
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:48.039
onto this story and was talking with people in the

559
00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:53.000
area said that they were also getting these very strange vocalizations.

560
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:56.880
So John Green had called me and asked if I

561
00:32:56.920 --> 00:33:00.559
would go out and follow up on this, and and

562
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:04.400
so I did. And the people that I met who

563
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:08.640
had reported it to the paper, Well back a bit

564
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.759
back up here, my uncle was a state patrolman and

565
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:15.200
I asked, asked him to get a hold of this

566
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:18.160
trooper and have him call me, because that was the

567
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:22.160
easiest way to find this guy. So Mark something, I

568
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.559
can't remember his last name at the moment, he did

569
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:27.160
call me. I talked with him, and he told me

570
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.359
where he lived and told me that there were people

571
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:32.920
in this development that had been reporting hearing this thing

572
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:36.559
coming down this power line, you know, periodically throughout the week.

573
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:41.079
So I took a buddy with me and we went

574
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:43.680
out there and I met with these people who had

575
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:48.759
supposedly gotten this recording, and they got it on a

576
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:50.960
reel to reel tape deck. They'd heard it several nights

577
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:54.119
in a row, and one night the wife just set

578
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:56.279
up the recorder in the bedroom window to capture it.

579
00:33:56.920 --> 00:33:59.440
So I took my reel to reel recorder and I

580
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:02.960
made a cop of her tape online, and it was

581
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:06.400
very compelling. It was a very high pitch screen certainly

582
00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:10.320
seemed to be much more forceful than any coyote wouldbuster,

583
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:14.039
but there were similarities in the overall sound to it.

584
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:17.400
We spent some time some nights down there, sitting out

585
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:21.320
along this power line, but one night we thought we

586
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:24.280
heard it coming, but it never did come any you know,

587
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:30.719
come close enough to make any any definitive thought on it.

588
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:34.679
But that was probably an interesting one. It was my tape.

589
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:38.440
It was it was my recording off somebody else's tape,

590
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.880
the people who had originally reported this thing. In my

591
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.559
conversation with the state trooper as to what he'd seen,

592
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:48.000
that kind of brought all that forward. But that was

593
00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:52.679
a very interesting one. You know, a sworn law enforcement

594
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:58.360
officer risks his career and ridicule by giving a statement

595
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:01.159
about this same crossing the road, about his neighbors hearing

596
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:06.480
these sounds and these people making recordings. You know that

597
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.280
that's pretty concrete evidence in my opinion.

598
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:16.840
Absolutely. So you're saying these were audio tapes of the vocals, Yes,

599
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:19.440
do you still have those?

600
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:23.599
No? I don't. It was there were It was an

601
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:26.840
old you know, one of the before we had cassette tapes,

602
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:29.840
they had the little, real real ones. Yeah. Anyway, I

603
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:32.039
sent the tape to John Green because I was again

604
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:35.760
I was working for him, so Cliff Barkman might have him.

605
00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:38.360
As I understand it, he's in possession of most of

606
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:39.880
John Green's stuff.

607
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:43.199
Now I do know a little bit about this account,

608
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:45.960
just because I was like, man, the sun is really familiar.

609
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:49.000
So I just did a little search and so that

610
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:54.639
the State troopers name is Mark Pettinger, and this is yes,

611
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:57.360
and this is February seventeenth, nineteen seventy five. Is that

612
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:04.960
you may have seen a photo of a younger individual,

613
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:08.719
a young boy, well maybe around like twelve thirteen, holding

614
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:13.400
up a Bigfoot cast And it's definitely a nineteen seventies

615
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:16.800
photo going off of the hairstyle of the boy. But

616
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:22.079
that individual's name is Mark Pettinger Junior, which I've always like, Man,

617
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.840
I've always thought, actually looking at that photo, I bet

618
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:27.280
that guy has a really cool story, but I've never

619
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:30.719
been able to find him. But yeah, that's interesting that

620
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:34.960
that just came up. That that's part of your bigfoot

621
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.719
past as well. It's very cool. Thank you for sharing that.

622
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:43.679
The only thing that happened there was it confuses me

623
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:47.840
to this day. I have no no logical explanation for

624
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:51.840
what happened. But a friend of mine, man I he

625
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:56.639
wanted to go bear hunting, so we went up on

626
00:36:56.679 --> 00:37:01.280
the east side, south end, east of Mount Si out

627
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:03.920
of North Bend, where there we had always been a

628
00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:11.760
pretty good population of bear, and he likes hunting clearcuts.

629
00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:14.679
I like hunting the woods. So we decided that between us,

630
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:17.679
him going down this clear cut and me going through

631
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:20.639
the woods, we'd stand a better chance of cutting truck

632
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:24.400
and maybe figuring out where these bear were going. And

633
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:27.880
I'm walking along through the woods, and this particular patch

634
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:32.280
of woods it's all soft woods, popular and alder and

635
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:36.440
stuff like that, and it's just this deep, wonderful carpet

636
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:39.079
of mossy walking in. I mean, you walk through there

637
00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:45.119
so quietly. It was crazy. But I'm just probably I

638
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:50.000
don't know, maybe fifteen twenty yards at most inside the

639
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:52.800
woods from the clearcut where my buddy is walking, and

640
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:56.199
we're kind of going parallel. And I stopped for a

641
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:58.519
minute to lean up against this tree. Well, the tree

642
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:00.280
was dead and I need against it in the barren.

643
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:05.360
Tree fell over. Well I've stooped out whatever is in

644
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:08.480
here now, knocking this tree down. But I kind of

645
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:11.599
did this stupid thing. I mean, I'm like eighteen years old.

646
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:13.519
You know, I'm not the brightest guy in the world.

647
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:16.480
And so I'm walking along and I think, oh gosh,

648
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:18.599
these trees fall over off leasy, they're all dead so

649
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:20.639
I walk up to run and they just give it

650
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:24.119
a shove and it falls. So walking along to another one,

651
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:28.679
and it's probably a little bigger things, probably still I

652
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:31.239
don't know, twenty four to twenty five feet tall, about

653
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:34.559
eight to ten inch in diameter, and I give that

654
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.719
one a shove and it falls over. And the moment

655
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:41.639
that that thing fell over, it felt like i'd been electrocuted.

656
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:46.039
I just they're just just I don't know how to

657
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:48.199
describe it. I've never had a feeling like this before

658
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:51.840
or since. But it was almost like someone had run

659
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.639
a ramrod right up my back side, up through my spine.

660
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:58.679
I couldn't move. I was just kind of locked suddenly

661
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:02.280
in place. I hadn't anything, I didn't see anything. It

662
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:06.159
was just bam, I'm locked bolt upright and I can't move,

663
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:10.000
and it's panicking me. And I realize I've got to

664
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:11.880
settle down. I've got to get out of here. Whatever

665
00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:14.679
it is, I got to get out of here. So

666
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:18.519
I started to, you know, kind of breathe forcefully, and

667
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:21.239
I found that I could move a little bit. And

668
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:24.920
my rifle was an old sportized Argentine mouser. It had

669
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:27.360
a big, old safety level that flops one hundred and

670
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.440
eighty degrees, and so I flipped it up to half off,

671
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:34.280
and I'm looking and slowly turning and looking behind them,

672
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:37.360
looking all around, and there's absolutely nothing there, but I

673
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.960
can't shake the feeling. Well in front of me, maybe

674
00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:45.039
seven feet away at most, maybe eight, there's a vine maple.

675
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:50.440
And you know wine maples, they oftentimes they go right

676
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.800
back down to the ground. They just make these big clumps.

677
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:55.679
And I'm looking at this wine maple and I can

678
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:59.760
see that that underneath it, it's moss. And to me,

679
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:03.639
that vine maple was cover, and that cover was security,

680
00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:06.400
and I needed to get there, but I was afraid

681
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:10.079
to move, and I just I'm slowly trying to turn around.

682
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:12.199
I still can't see anything behind that. I don't hear

683
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:15.679
anything else again, but to me, that tree is my salvation.

684
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:19.440
So I just kind of gave myself the counter three

685
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:21.159
and I took a big leap and then half a

686
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:25.559
step and dove literally dove underneath this vine maple, and

687
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:27.800
I landed on the moss. It was nice. I immediately

688
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:30.400
rolled over, looking behind me with my rifle pointing out

689
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:33.760
in that direction. Man, there was nothing, but I still

690
00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:36.519
had that feeling that doing was imminent, but there was

691
00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:42.119
nothing there. Next thing, I know, I'm waking up. I'd

692
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:45.280
passed out or fallen asleep something, and I'm coming to

693
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:49.599
and I'm kind of doing inventory on myself and my rifle,

694
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.320
and I'm looking around and there's the feeling that i'd

695
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.760
had is completely gone. And I crawled out from underneath

696
00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:00.559
this vine maple and the world was normal again, shining

697
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:03.519
through the trees. Life was good. So I continued on

698
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:06.320
down and got let my buddy down at the lower road,

699
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:10.079
the rendezvous point, and you know that was I have

700
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:14.079
no explanation for that, but I have since had other

701
00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:17.920
witnesses tell me that they have had a paralyzing fear

702
00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:22.239
only to then see a big foot walk away from

703
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:27.639
them somewhere nearby. And I guess I'm attributing that sensation,

704
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:31.480
which I had never had before or since, to having

705
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:33.760
been in proximity to a bigfoot that wasn't happy that

706
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:34.400
I was there.

707
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.159
Absolutely, I was going to bring up. I was like,

708
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:41.840
I'm sure from talking to many witnesses over the years,

709
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:46.519
you've probably heard details of that account in their accounts

710
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:48.960
as well. I was just listening to you talking I'm like, man,

711
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:53.119
I've heard similarities to what he is saying right now

712
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:56.360
over the years. And also just the fact where you

713
00:41:56.519 --> 00:42:03.119
fall asleep directly after having something happen. Is it because

714
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:06.599
you know you are just you have so much adrenaline

715
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:10.960
adrenaline going on, or is it you know, directly related

716
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:16.119
to you know, maybe you did have well, you definitely

717
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:19.599
had some encounter happen. Is It's incredible. I've never heard

718
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:23.920
someone do you well, do you think that was infrasound?

719
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:28.400
Or I do? Yeah in years later, now you know

720
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:33.280
those days really talk about Bigfoot infrasound wasn't even on

721
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:36.960
the horizon, But yes, years later, I do believe that

722
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:37.760
that's what it was.

723
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:41.920
Man, that's one of the most intense infrasound accounts that

724
00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:44.960
I've heard. And I'm sure there's some other ones out

725
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:50.440
there as well, but I mean, wow, that's that's incredible. Rock.

726
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:54.960
Thank you for sharing. Sure, can you tell me the

727
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:58.519
story of how you got linked up with the bfurro then?

728
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:04.519
Yeah, So of course the Finding Bigfoot show came on,

729
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:08.639
and I've watched everything that I could ever ever see

730
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:11.199
or find on Bigfoot, the Sassquatch, anything that would come

731
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:14.360
on TV and I started watching those episodes and I

732
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:17.239
thought some of these guys seem to be pretty legit.

733
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:22.800
Some of their their findings or their encounters and experiences

734
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:28.280
are in line with what I've seen, and so I

735
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:33.840
just sent into an email and I got a response

736
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:36.800
back saying they'd like me to meet with this local

737
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:44.159
individual and talk about membership and participation, and it kind

738
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:47.920
of went on from there. I met with Kirk Brandenburg,

739
00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:51.480
who's the well known guy the BFI local gout here,

740
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:56.599
and Kirk and I went out and investigated a sighting together,

741
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:02.039
and I guess he decided I would worthy enough for

742
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:05.159
at least not a threat, and recommitted me for membership.

743
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:08.199
Well there you go, and the rest is history. You know,

744
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:13.920
we had been talking before the interview started, and you

745
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:18.719
had mentioned something that sounds really interesting, something that you

746
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:22.400
were involved with on the Olympic Peninsula. There was an

747
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:27.840
investigation where there was a group that had had some

748
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:29.039
weird things going on.

749
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:35.159
Yeah, it was interesting. So in my license plates in

750
00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:38.360
my truck pretty well indicate what I like doing. I've

751
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:41.440
got a big footsticker in the back and my license

752
00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:48.239
plate as Squatcher. So at work, I was a vice

753
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:52.280
president of environmental health and safety for a multi state contractor.

754
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:55.480
And I drove my own truck one day when my

755
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:59.039
company vehicle was in the shop, and one of the

756
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:02.519
subcontractor plays sat on my truck and asked me about it,

757
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:05.000
and so we about to talking and he said, well,

758
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:09.119
he said, I I live at this place that is

759
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:14.079
kind of remote, and in our little community, people have

760
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:17.639
been experiencing things, and you know, let me talk around

761
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:21.320
the around the community and see if they'd be willing

762
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:23.480
to have you come in and talk with them and

763
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:29.320
get some of their stories. So long story short, he did,

764
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.280
and and I was able to are allowed to go

765
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:35.360
in there. And they really are I mean they're not

766
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:38.360
it's not a survivalist. It's not a militia group.

767
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:41.679
Big for a SOCIETYHO will be right back after these messages.

768
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:00.440
They're just kind of like minded people. Well I think

769
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:03.599
they're they're certainly not enthralled with the government, but they're

770
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:06.079
not anti government people. But they just want to be

771
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:07.960
left alone. And so they've bought up to all this

772
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:14.079
property over on the Anthic Peninsula and they lived behind gates.

773
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:16.679
And I took my wife with me and we went

774
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:20.000
over and we up some really nice people who all

775
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:25.360
had had encounters around their area there, around their woods

776
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:28.639
and down to the ocean beach off the other side

777
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:34.639
of their habitats. So we walked around, talked to these people,

778
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:38.039
and you know, I said to them, you know, if

779
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:39.599
you guys don't mind, I kind of want to go

780
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:42.719
off down through the woods here see what we can find.

781
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:45.840
And that was fine with everybody. So my wife and

782
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.840
I started off down through woods, heading towards the towards

783
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:52.559
the bush and towards the ocean rather. And we could

784
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:56.000
see things here and there, little you know, indentations that

785
00:46:56.079 --> 00:47:02.960
could be imprints, but nothing really, nothing terribly definable. We

786
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:10.239
got down to the ocean and right where a river

787
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:13.719
comes out and joins the ocean, and I thought, man,

788
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:17.719
this is perfect habitat. You know you've got You've got Yes,

789
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:19.599
there has been some active logging in the area, but

790
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:23.400
you've got this community that has all this property. It's quiet. Uh,

791
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:27.239
there's nobody shooting guns up in here. They're surrounded by woods,

792
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:29.519
you've got fresh water, you've got salt water. So if

793
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:32.559
they want to go after shell fish and mollusks, they've

794
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:34.840
got that going for them. If they want, you know,

795
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:38.320
the summer in or the spawning salmon, or some are

796
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:40.400
in steel hit, anything like that. They've got that river.

797
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:43.840
It's a great place. And so with that in mind,

798
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:45.960
now that thinking, yeah, there could be more, we started

799
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:48.000
walking around the woods a little bit more and we

800
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:52.599
did find some some very interesting trackways around the perimeter

801
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:54.800
of this community, and we did talk with people that

802
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:58.119
had had had sightings. One house that we talked to

803
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:00.239
something that's coming up in the middle of the night,

804
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:04.199
slapping on the side of the house, and that was

805
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:07.960
very interesting. But I think the one that really got

806
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:12.920
me was again on one of our job sites, one

807
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:18.280
of our crew who all do my pastime, said, Hey,

808
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:19.719
you know, you got to go over and talk with

809
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:24.440
my grandparents over in Port Angelos. They've got the craziest property.

810
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:27.920
There's just weird stuff going on over there. So he

811
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:29.320
set it up for me to be able to go

812
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:34.440
talk with them and great people. They had this piece

813
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:38.360
of property on the outskirts of Port Angeles, but I

814
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:41.760
mean not really very far off the beaten path. There

815
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:45.079
maybe a matter of three blocks off, four blocks off

816
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:49.880
when the main drags through. PA and I took my

817
00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:55.960
son with me and we interviewed the grandparents and then

818
00:48:56.559 --> 00:49:00.480
their daughter and grandson were living in another house on

819
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:03.000
the property. And I think one of the funniest things

820
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:08.400
that I was told was her grandmother wanted to be

821
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:11.360
begun to keep pests out of her little truck patch guard.

822
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:16.840
So on one night she thinks she can hear something outside.

823
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:19.639
She's not sure if it's raccoon or whatever. She takes

824
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:21.719
her a little bbgun. She goes out the back door.

825
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:26.360
There are two nineteen forty eight Dodge pickups part side

826
00:49:26.360 --> 00:49:30.320
by side. One belongs to Grandpa, one belongs to his son.

827
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:33.719
They've bought these trucks to restore them, and they're sitting there,

828
00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:36.760
side by side, and she's looking and over the top

829
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:41.800
of the truck farthest from her, she sees a sasquatch

830
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:45.519
head pop up and stare back at her. In her panic,

831
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:51.840
she starts shooting her be begun the sasquatch and it

832
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.159
ducks back down. She slams the door, goes in and

833
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:56.760
tells her husband to turn on all the lights outside.

834
00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:03.119
Next morning, the sun in law comes over and he

835
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:05.440
comes in the house and they said, hey, you guys,

836
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:07.639
got any idea who shot all the windows up on

837
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:10.159
my truck. Apparently she'd never hit the big Foot, but

838
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:13.239
she was breaking windows out of the thing. But that

839
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:16.119
kind of cracked me up. But they had stuff going on,

840
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:18.639
and I said, and I wandered back up this creek

841
00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:21.880
that just kind of aimlessly comes down from a mountain

842
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:24.880
up there. Really wanted this creek. And we found the

843
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.400
occasional impression that looked like it could have been a footprint,

844
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:30.480
but now it's been washed out a little bit by

845
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:36.719
rising and falling creek. We found some patches of deer

846
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:41.239
for which isn't really unusual either, but these people had

847
00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:44.840
also told us that that deer would show up periodically

848
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:49.280
in the yards with a broken back leg, which sounded

849
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:52.800
odd to me until you know, kind of going over

850
00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:59.000
some bfr O reports. There's been some speculation and some

851
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:05.679
actual accounts a sasquatch cackling deer by by you know,

852
00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:10.599
breaking the legs the deer can't run away from them,

853
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:13.800
grabbing them by the legs and intentially breaking them. So

854
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:16.920
I kind of wondered if that was going on there too.

855
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:19.760
There was an interesting area. There was this creek that

856
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:22.719
came down off this mountain. It wound around through all

857
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:26.039
these little hobby farms up there in the foothills, you know,

858
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:29.039
covered over with brush, but a great pathway for something

859
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:31.400
to be able to come out down out of the

860
00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:34.599
deep woods and come down and pick off, you know,

861
00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:38.480
a shopping basket of food from these little hobby farms

862
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:39.199
as that went along.

863
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:46.480
What an incredible account of Grandma trying to take out

864
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:48.840
the Sasquatch, I mean, really just to protect the property.

865
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:55.880
I mean, that's that's fantastic good for her. Wow, let's

866
00:51:55.960 --> 00:52:00.400
let's pretend we're around the campfire and there's some new

867
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:05.079
BFRO recruits with us, and uh, where's just telling stories?

868
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:12.320
Are there any investigations that you could say, you know,

869
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:16.119
I was involved with that investigation? Uh, that was that

870
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:17.199
was pretty cool.

871
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:22.599
One of the most interesting ones to me. So I

872
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:26.360
live in Snahomish, Washington, and so I'm really kind of

873
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:31.159
in the foothills of the Cascades here, and I spend

874
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:34.559
a lot of time of what they call the Mountain

875
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:38.280
Loop Highway, which goes out of Granite Falls, goes up

876
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:42.920
along the Pilchuk River, connects into the Sok River and

877
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:47.079
down into Derrington. And that's kind of my my stopping

878
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:50.440
grounds and research area, and a report came into the

879
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:55.280
BFRO these young men had supposedly been up on Mount Pilchuck,

880
00:52:55.320 --> 00:53:00.920
which used to years ago be a it was a

881
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:04.960
ski area uh Mount Pelchuk, and that these young men

882
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:10.519
had from a church group after their youth meeting or whatever,

883
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:12.199
decided they were going to go out and look for Bigfoot.

884
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:14.079
And they went up this Mount Pelchuk road and then

885
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:16.880
there was a little side road they went up, and

886
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:18.440
they were all sitting up there and they'd get out

887
00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:22.880
periodically and you know, look around these ridges. Good kids

888
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:26.480
just out having fun being in the woods, and they

889
00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:30.000
got spooked off. They started hearing things approaching them. They

890
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:34.000
got back in the car and one of them said

891
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:38.559
he saw red eyeshine coming through the rear window of

892
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:40.719
the car towards him, and then they decided to get

893
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:43.800
out of there, so they reported this to BFRO O.

894
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:46.000
My wife I went up there to look into it,

895
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:50.480
and I had just recently bought a game call and

896
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:53.719
I took that along to play with. And so where

897
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:57.000
these guys were there was an old access road. It

898
00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:59.920
was an old maintenance road on Mount Piltchuk, and it

899
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:07.199
actually goes up around to the west side and then

900
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:10.360
veer your south. It's all overgrown. You can't drive up

901
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:12.599
in there. You can walk up in there, but not.

902
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:16.280
Pilchrick is a popular climbing trail, and that's something they

903
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:18.559
do over in a little different area of it. So

904
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:21.360
we went up there. We got there about the same

905
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:23.599
time of evening that the young men told me that

906
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:29.239
they'd gone up there originally. And so I hadn't use

907
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:32.079
this game called before, and I thought, well, we'll see

908
00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:34.559
what happens. So the first thing I do is I

909
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:38.320
play the phone in distress call and then I stop

910
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:40.079
and I give it a few minutes, and then I

911
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:43.559
play it again, stop a few minutes, and play it again,

912
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:46.119
and then they stop everything, and I wait for about

913
00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:49.760
oh I was probably ten to fifteen minutes. And on

914
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:53.239
my game Caller, there's like the coyote reunion. It's a

915
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:57.000
coyote pack all yipping and howling and one thing or

916
00:54:57.000 --> 00:54:59.239
another at each other, and it's the thing you hear

917
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:02.360
when coyotes together at night before they go off to hunt.

918
00:55:03.079 --> 00:55:06.480
So I played that and all of a sudden, something

919
00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:12.920
there's just this thunderous steps started coming down through the woods,

920
00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:18.480
just just boom boom, boom, boomuse me something coming down

921
00:55:18.519 --> 00:55:21.840
the hill towards us all this access road. And I'm

922
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:25.360
starting to get a little bit panicked about this because

923
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:27.960
as far as I don't want the only guy there

924
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:30.039
with a gun, and what I've got under my shoulder

925
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:32.039
is just a ninth millimeter and I don't have a

926
00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:35.039
lot of faith in that. But I think we're going

927
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:38.719
to be run over and eating well all this. Everybody

928
00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:40.719
hears it. You can almost feel it in the ground,

929
00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:42.760
and we're all standing there, like what we're going to

930
00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:45.480
do now? You know? I called up the demon and

931
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:49.440
it stopped, came to an abrupt halt just beyond where

932
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:53.079
we could possibly see it back in the trees, and

933
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:55.199
we decided it was probably a good time to leave.

934
00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:57.440
And I never never ever did that again, and I

935
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:00.880
don't recommend that anybody do that. Guys. I think that,

936
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:05.000
you know, it's almost like ringing the dinner bell. If

937
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:06.920
you're gonna ring the dinner bell, you better have food

938
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:10.280
that you're gonna give it, otherwise you might you might

939
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:12.400
find yourself in harm's way.

940
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:17.559
Yeah, And that's that's a great thing to say. Is

941
00:56:18.440 --> 00:56:21.800
on the show, there's a lot of accounts shared about well,

942
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:23.760
I did this and then I did this. Guys, we're

943
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:27.159
not saying to do it. We're saying this happened, and

944
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:33.760
probably don't do it, because really, stuff can happen. And yeah,

945
00:56:33.800 --> 00:56:37.760
if you ring the dinner bell, make sure you got

946
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:40.679
the food there. That's a very interesting way to say it.

947
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:45.239
But I think you're you're dead on. You had mentioned

948
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:49.760
before the interview that you had some dealings around the

949
00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:50.760
Bumping Lake area.

950
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:57.000
Yeah, so I used to all count in the in

951
00:56:57.039 --> 00:57:00.239
the early seventies, my brother in law and I kind

952
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:04.480
of out of Bumping Lake and no idea that there

953
00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:06.559
had ever been a big foot sighting or report in

954
00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:11.079
that area at all. But we hunted the heck out

955
00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:13.360
of that place for three years and there was a

956
00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:15.440
trail that went up to At the time, they called

957
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:18.119
it Twin Sisters Lakes. I think they've changed the name now.

958
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:21.559
It was a great place. I mean, there was an

959
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:27.360
old old mining town back up in there. We just

960
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:30.039
never had anything happen. It was just just a nice

961
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:32.800
place to go. All cutting wasn't great, but it was

962
00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:36.400
fun country to be in. And then all of a

963
00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:40.159
sudden people are reporting seeing bigfoot up in there and

964
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:44.760
having these encounters, So I took some guys that my

965
00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:47.320
son and I decided that well, he knew somebody and

966
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:52.719
I knew somebody. We had my secretary's husband was very

967
00:57:52.719 --> 00:57:56.119
interested in Bigfoot, So my son and I took a

968
00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:58.079
couple of guys with us at the Bumping Lake and

969
00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:02.719
we made a camp at night. We did a little

970
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:06.079
bit of a road walk and we get up to

971
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:09.280
me there was a kind of a turnaround area in

972
00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:11.920
this road, and the gates were all locked so you

973
00:58:11.920 --> 00:58:15.079
couldn't drive through there. So I just had everybody sit down,

974
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:17.840
let the woods settle down around. It was probably ten

975
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:21.239
o'clock at night. It was full on burk. And after

976
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:24.039
you know, probably fifteen twenty minutes of sitting there and

977
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:26.000
let in the wood settle down, I said, okay, let's

978
00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:30.320
start back to camp. Well, my son's leading the way,

979
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:32.360
and then the next two guys, and then I'm bringing

980
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:35.559
up the beer. And as we start to walk way,

981
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:37.559
I hear this rock can fly through the trees, you

982
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:41.199
know that sound, and it goes PLoP in this bit

983
00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:43.239
of snow right out there in front of me. So

984
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:45.760
we all stop and we look at this rock, and

985
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:48.639
I said, okay, we don't anybody react to this. And

986
00:58:48.679 --> 00:58:52.360
I think that's the key thing, big football. You'll do

987
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:55.880
things to get your attention. If you overreact, you just

988
00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:58.960
ended the experience with him. If you just react to

989
00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:03.079
a little curiosity or I have to bring nonchalant about it, now,

990
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:04.960
they want to do more to make sure you know

991
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:07.199
they were there. So we kind of ignore it and

992
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:11.559
we start walking along and we get probably a wire

993
00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:14.519
twenty thirty steps away from that spot, and all of

994
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:18.280
a sudden, I hear this, right. I turn around. I

995
00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:21.199
look on my headlamp and that same rock that had

996
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:25.000
been thrown at me earlier has now been bowled up

997
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:27.239
to me. And I said, I turned around, looked back

998
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:29.519
in the way from from where it came, and yeah,

999
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:32.920
of course there's nothing to be seen there. So okay,

1000
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:34.760
keep the quiet and so I'll get back to camp.

1001
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:37.880
We all get back to camp, get the fires looked up,

1002
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:39.719
and I said to everybody, I said, I want you

1003
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:44.440
to stand up, put your hands out, palms open flat

1004
00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:47.280
at your side, and just turn a slow circle. Sure

1005
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:49.960
that you're not carrying any weapons or anything. And so

1006
00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:53.320
we all did that, sat back down, and it didn't

1007
00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:57.599
take long before we could hear something on the periphery

1008
00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:00.920
of camp going through the brush, and it would make

1009
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:03.800
this circle where semi circle around us and then you

1010
01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:07.159
go back either way. We didn't turn on flashlights again,

1011
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:13.079
We're trying to have a little closer in positive encounter

1012
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:18.440
with whatever this is. And so for probably forty five

1013
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:20.440
minutes to an hour, it would just kind of move

1014
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:22.960
from one side to the air or another around us.

1015
01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:27.360
And so finally I said, you know, it's not going

1016
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:30.880
to do anything more than this, and I've had it.

1017
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:32.039
I got to go to bed.

1018
01:00:33.039 --> 01:00:35.880
Big for SOCIETYHO will be right back after these messages.

1019
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:54.920
So I get up, I walk into my tent and

1020
01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:57.119
I'm just getting tucked into my sleeping bag when all

1021
01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:59.360
of a sudden, there's all this commotion. Well, it turns

1022
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:02.760
out this thing had come in a little close close

1023
01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:04.960
enough my froont my son thought that he could get

1024
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:08.719
a look at my son's a big guy. I don't know, six',

1025
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:12.920
one two hundred and forty pounds OF i mean solid.

1026
01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:17.360
Muscle he's a big, guy and so he takes. Off

1027
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:19.719
the sink came around and he took off after it

1028
01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:21.440
to get a look at. It and it was a

1029
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:23.559
sound of it running from him and him and running

1030
01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:26.000
after it through the woods THAT i was listening to,

1031
01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:29.599
say why he comes comes back into the. TENT i

1032
01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:31.400
asked him about it and tell me what, happened AND i,

1033
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:35.800
said you, know, look please don't do that. Anymore don't

1034
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:37.840
chase the bigfoot because you might catch him and you

1035
01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:41.400
don't want to do. That but that was there At

1036
01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:45.280
Bumping lake and that was probably again didn't see. It

1037
01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:48.960
but what was curious to me is where this was going.

1038
01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:51.719
On back in the. Woods The Game department had left

1039
01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:54.119
a bear trap back in, There so it made me

1040
01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:58.760
wonder if someone had had big foot encounters and they

1041
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:02.440
said it was a, bear Because i've never seen beer in.

1042
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:05.039
There i've seen mountain lion in, there but never ever

1043
01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:06.639
HAVE i seen a bear or any sign of a

1044
01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:09.119
bear in. There so the fact that The Game department

1045
01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:11.440
had a bearcage set up right in that area was

1046
01:02:11.639 --> 01:02:12.519
a little curious to.

1047
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:17.519
Me, yeah that's very, suspect ESPECIALLY i mean. Listeners probably

1048
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:21.119
now The Bumping lake area has had so, much so

1049
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:23.480
many things happen over the. Years you can go on,

1050
01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:28.039
YouTube there's so many different bigfoot videos and documentaries that

1051
01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:33.639
have been made. Recently so your son went on when

1052
01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:36.599
chasing after the? Bigfoot did he? Did he get a

1053
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:38.880
pretty good look at it then while he's chasing after.

1054
01:02:38.920 --> 01:02:42.039
It, no all he could see was he could see

1055
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:44.119
like the back of it before you, know we go

1056
01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:47.079
through the brush and the tree limbit move out in

1057
01:02:47.079 --> 01:02:49.400
front of, it and then you know how there swings

1058
01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:51.920
back behind when you pass. It he, said you could

1059
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:55.280
just see something as it then swung. Back he could

1060
01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:57.119
just see this this object moving.

1061
01:02:57.159 --> 01:03:01.639
Away that is so as like the gutsiest Thing i've ever.

1062
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:06.239
Heard my, GOODNESS i can't imagine. That, so, like if you,

1063
01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:09.559
now this is Where i'm. NOT i, mean this is

1064
01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:11.639
going to be a shocker. Surprise But i'm not really an.

1065
01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:16.000
Outdoorsman so if you, Were let's, say if you were

1066
01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:18.960
to chase a, bear what would?

1067
01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:23.519
Happen ordinarily they'll run away from.

1068
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:27.039
You oh, okay all, Right, yeah the.

1069
01:03:26.639 --> 01:03:30.599
Bears are are pretty shy and pretty easy to spook.

1070
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:35.440
OFF i wanted to tell you something else about, bumping, like,

1071
01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:38.519
yeah which? One AND i had really an interesting one up.

1072
01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:42.320
There we had gone up or just three years. Ago,

1073
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:46.039
now we just wanted to get away from from, town go, camping,

1074
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:48.440
somewhere and so let's go up to Bumping. Mike it's

1075
01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:51.920
always been nice up. There so we get there and

1076
01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:54.639
this area that we used to camp at WHEN i

1077
01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:57.559
hunted has all changed and now it's all for horse.

1078
01:03:57.599 --> 01:04:01.920
Camping so they have kind of these these elevated pads

1079
01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:06.000
all over for horse. Traders and THEN i mean there's

1080
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:08.039
no toilets in the running water or anything like that in.

1081
01:04:08.079 --> 01:04:11.960
There but it's really predominantly a horse. Camp so we

1082
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:14.320
get in. There there's nobody. There we set up our. Tent,

1083
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:16.480
anyway we can't have a. Campfire that's. Fine we got

1084
01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:18.440
a lantern we put on on the picnic, table and,

1085
01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:22.079
yeah we're just kind of having a nice time just

1086
01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:26.960
being together away from the hustle and, bustle and gets

1087
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:29.480
on TO i don't, know, midnight maybe a little, laughter

1088
01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:32.920
AND i decided it's time for me to go to.

1089
01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:35.679
Bed so the ground is we can't have a. Campfire

1090
01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:38.159
the ground everything is just so terribly. Dry. Geez when

1091
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:39.920
you put your foot, down there was a puff of

1092
01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:41.920
dust to go, up you, know a couple of feet

1093
01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:45.159
off the. Ground so we just had a lantern that

1094
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:51.880
set out. There so there was a spot AND, i you,

1095
01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:54.320
KNOW i back up. There so, anyway we shut down.

1096
01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:58.679
Everything we go into the can go to bed about

1097
01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:00.719
four four th in the. Morn THEN i wake. Up

1098
01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:02.639
i've got to answer the call of. Nature it's still,

1099
01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:06.119
dark SO i go right out straight out the, tent

1100
01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:11.599
across kind of this deff dusty bit of a trail

1101
01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:14.800
and go over to where this salal brush is AND

1102
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:17.760
i do my. Business AND i come back into the

1103
01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:23.639
tent And i'm standing there And i'm trying to debate

1104
01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:25.480
and debating WHETHER i want to go back to, bed

1105
01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:26.639
If i'm going to be able to get any more,

1106
01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:28.360
sleep or AM i just going to get dressed and stay?

1107
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:31.039
Up and my son WICH, I he, said what are you?

1108
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:33.559
Doing AND i, said, WELL i Think i'm just going

1109
01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:36.400
to get dressed and stay. Up and no sooner DO

1110
01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:40.239
i say, that than right outside the, tent a great

1111
01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:44.800
horned owl goes off the. Thing you, Know i'm right

1112
01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:47.239
outside the tent and be looking to Other hey that's pretty,

1113
01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:51.840
cool said, hey wait a, minute there's no tree outside that.

1114
01:05:52.039 --> 01:05:55.239
Tent AND i wasn't don't when they're on the. Wing

1115
01:05:56.239 --> 01:05:59.039
so we quick like get dressed. Again back out the

1116
01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:02.000
tent we go with flash, lights and sure, enough there's

1117
01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:06.119
no tree there and there's no. Owl but WHERE i

1118
01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:10.599
had just, urinated about five feet to the left of

1119
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:15.519
me is a much larger wet spot in the road

1120
01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:19.599
that wasn't there when we went to, bed and that's

1121
01:06:19.639 --> 01:06:23.320
certainly not WHERE i had. Urinated but there's this huge wet.

1122
01:06:23.360 --> 01:06:26.519
Spot and going away from the wet spot and down

1123
01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:29.719
through This oregon grape, STUFF i can't remember what they call,

1124
01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:33.840
it here's this great big, imprints like sixteen seventeen inch

1125
01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:36.800
long imprints leading off AND i, know darn will they're

1126
01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:40.239
bigfoot because they go one directly in front of the,

1127
01:06:40.239 --> 01:06:43.679
other you, know their tracks are typically. Inline and it

1128
01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:45.519
went one in front of the other right down over the,

1129
01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:48.199
hill through this death and down into the area where

1130
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:52.480
there was an airhorse camp down. Below so that to

1131
01:06:52.519 --> 01:06:54.559
this day that cracks us up to talk about, that

1132
01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:58.559
about the owl that wasn't an owl and the huge wet.

1133
01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:01.440
Spot it was kind of, like you, KNOW i, LIKE

1134
01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:03.559
i went out and marked my territory in this head

1135
01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:06.840
had to come out in remarkets. Territory it was just

1136
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:07.239
kind of.

1137
01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:14.079
Humorous it's extremely extremely. Interesting it's ANOTHER i, mean there's

1138
01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:18.280
a lot of things from from that account where you

1139
01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:21.039
hear bits and pieces and and. Others you hear the,

1140
01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:26.800
owl but also the wet spot that that is that

1141
01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:31.400
is very cool as. Well IT'S i love how you're

1142
01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:36.000
able to have some really cool experiences with your son in.

1143
01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:38.559
That it sounds like he was kind of into it as,

1144
01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:41.000
well but you're at least able to get out there

1145
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:45.880
and and enjoy. It the The Bumping lake, area you,

1146
01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:49.000
know it's it's you're going a little bit south. There

1147
01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:55.559
and did you ever do anything down In Schamania? County?

1148
01:07:56.360 --> 01:07:57.119
No, NO i.

1149
01:07:57.159 --> 01:08:03.719
Haven't, okay Gotcha and has all your research and the

1150
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:06.199
things you've been involved with just have they been In

1151
01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:09.760
washington or have you done other states as? Well?

1152
01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:12.760
Yeah Only washington.

1153
01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:23.039
Being involved With Bumping, lake it is relatively close to

1154
01:08:23.119 --> 01:08:26.399
some other. Areas did you ever do have you ever

1155
01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:31.520
done anything in The packwood Or randall Or mountaineer? Area?

1156
01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:39.239
YEAH i participated in A bfro expedition In packwood and

1157
01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:43.600
actually that was my first. One Kirk brandenberg had invited

1158
01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:46.359
me to come on that and that was kind of

1159
01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:49.399
my get introduced and see IF i like them and

1160
01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:51.920
they liked. Me kind of a, trip and it was.

1161
01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:59.840
Interesting the second, day people were still coming in for

1162
01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:04.000
anticipate and a police officer off duty and his wife

1163
01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:07.760
were driving in and he had a bigfoot across the

1164
01:09:07.800 --> 01:09:10.720
road in front of, him and when it came across

1165
01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:13.359
from the up hill, side crossed in front and dropped

1166
01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:16.760
off the downhill. Side he said it had reached up

1167
01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:21.119
and grabbed this limb and kind of swung itself over

1168
01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:25.039
the side of the road and him. Down so we

1169
01:09:25.119 --> 01:09:28.680
did a recreation of, that and we got this this

1170
01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:33.800
guy to go with. Us and so it turns out

1171
01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:38.560
THAT i can't remember who it. Was it Wasn't kirk

1172
01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:40.760
and had Been. John somebody went back and beat the

1173
01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:43.119
breast for a little ways back along the route of

1174
01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:46.960
things supposedly came, from and they came through this this alder,

1175
01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:50.840
thicket and you, know there's order been great and you,

1176
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:53.319
know on the ground there and so they were able

1177
01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:55.600
to see where this thing had, wants but there wasn't anything.

1178
01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:57.840
Definable and then of course we were trying to measure

1179
01:09:57.840 --> 01:10:00.479
to see how tall this thing, was and the only

1180
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:04.199
thing we really had as a measuring point was this

1181
01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:06.479
limb that it had reached up and grabbed onto to

1182
01:10:07.239 --> 01:10:10.600
swing off the. Road and at the point where the

1183
01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:13.840
witness said it had reached up and grabbed this, thing

1184
01:10:14.319 --> 01:10:17.279
this limb that was like eleven feet off the, ground

1185
01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:21.239
so they knew it was well beyond human dimensions to

1186
01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:23.640
be able to reach up to that eleven foot off

1187
01:10:23.680 --> 01:10:26.720
the ground and grab this limb and swing and and

1188
01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:32.680
really the witnesses response and reaction to, this you, know

1189
01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:36.239
all night. LONG i, mean here's the guy who's a police.

1190
01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:40.720
OFFICER i suspect he's faced some, hardened you, know bad

1191
01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:44.239
guys from time to, time and but he wouldn't leave

1192
01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:47.640
the wouldn't leave the, campground wouldn't leave the, campfire and

1193
01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:50.560
he couldn't even turn his back to the. Woods he

1194
01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:55.760
had to keep rotating around like he. Was he was quite.

1195
01:10:55.840 --> 01:11:00.239
Terrified his response WAS i, thought very, genuine and it

1196
01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:02.600
was one of the few TIMES i think on an

1197
01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:08.640
expedition THAT i saw someone had a valid.

1198
01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:15.800
Experience what a what a first first, Expedition what a

1199
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:19.800
way to start that. Out that's very very, Cool. ROB

1200
01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:22.920
i just wanted to say thank you so. MUCH i

1201
01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:25.960
do you, know we'll throw one more out. There this

1202
01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:29.600
has just been such an incredible. Conversation you are wealth and,

1203
01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:33.720
knowledge and we've gone a lot of different places in

1204
01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:37.000
the state Of washington in this. Interview BUT i do

1205
01:11:37.119 --> 01:11:40.359
want to ask your initial Mount sigh, encounter when you

1206
01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:43.479
had that visual and it was behind the, stump do

1207
01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:46.760
you think that's the best look that you've ever gotten

1208
01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:49.119
at a bigfoot over the? Years?

1209
01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:53.119
Oh, ABSOLUTELY i mean it was broad. Daylight, yeah absolutely.

1210
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:59.279
Awesome and, YEAH i guess we'll end with. This spending

1211
01:11:59.319 --> 01:12:03.920
so many, years you, know looking into the, subject and you,

1212
01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:07.520
know talking to people and going on, expeditions et, cetera

1213
01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:12.239
have you come to a realization about what you think

1214
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:17.600
these creatures can be classified as or is it something

1215
01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:19.079
you're still trying to figure out.

1216
01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:23.520
Yourself you, KNOW i tend to go back and forth

1217
01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:26.039
on that a little. Bit you, know at one TIME

1218
01:12:27.239 --> 01:12:32.560
i was firmly in The gigantopithecus. Camp but in the

1219
01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:37.359
ensuing years there's been discoveries. Made if you want to

1220
01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:42.479
look into, it look Up Professor Lee berger in his

1221
01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:48.159
findings Of Australia pithecus sediba and what is the latest,

1222
01:12:48.199 --> 01:12:57.680
One homo no, LETTY i look for an origin for,

1223
01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:03.600
bigfoot and you, KNOW i don't hold with extraterrestrial kind of.

1224
01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:09.760
Stuff BUT i look for where in the human line

1225
01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:13.680
or in the hammeted line could bigfoot have split off

1226
01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:18.479
and evolved separately and. Differently and it wasn't UNTIL i,

1227
01:13:18.479 --> 01:13:23.079
Mean i've looked at tons of research and archaeological reports

1228
01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:27.000
and what have. You And Lee burger has in the

1229
01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:31.439
past few years convinced me without intending to convince, me

1230
01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:37.119
but he has convinced me that this goes back alongside of,

1231
01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:40.760
us back to when we had finally decided to stop

1232
01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:45.560
swinging in the trees and became ground. Dwelling there are

1233
01:13:46.079 --> 01:13:51.840
fossil indications of you, know Doctor Jeff meldrum makes an

1234
01:13:51.840 --> 01:13:55.439
awful lot about the, footprint and he talks about this

1235
01:13:55.439 --> 01:14:00.159
this calcutaneous bone in the heel which dictates how all

1236
01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:05.960
the foot of the big foot rotates and and where

1237
01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:14.640
the flection point is on this, Well australopithecus, sediba discovered

1238
01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:17.680
By Lee berger just a few years, back has that

1239
01:14:17.800 --> 01:14:24.560
same calcutaneous bone that Doctor meldrum talks. About so is

1240
01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:29.319
it a direct ancestor relation To? BIGFOOT i don't, Know

1241
01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:34.079
but here now we have fossil evidence that shows linkage

1242
01:14:34.199 --> 01:14:39.239
between then and. Them and now and them, uh and

1243
01:14:39.279 --> 01:14:42.199
Then homo ne leetti is more recent find and that

1244
01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:45.119
was just he just got that class found In class

1245
01:14:45.159 --> 01:14:47.479
bied a couple of years, ago found in the same,

1246
01:14:47.640 --> 01:14:52.960
cave much more human looking. Characteristics now granted they were

1247
01:14:53.000 --> 01:14:55.359
they were, small you, know four and a half five feet,

1248
01:14:55.359 --> 01:14:59.000
tall but so was everything in those. Days we know

1249
01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:03.399
and can sign physically proved That gigantopithecus is not surviving

1250
01:15:03.439 --> 01:15:05.760
to this. Day it could not possibly have because of

1251
01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:08.119
the bamboo die offs and it was a specialized. Beater

1252
01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:12.000
BUT i look to those kind of, discoveries and those

1253
01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:15.319
two in, particular as being relevant to what we're seeing,

1254
01:15:15.359 --> 01:15:18.840
today and maybe why we see so many is that

1255
01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:24.560
they they thrive around. Us they actually seek us out

1256
01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:27.600
for a direction for what we leave behind that they can.

1257
01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:30.239
Use that's my thoughts on.

1258
01:15:30.319 --> 01:15:35.000
It that's really. Interesting it's a part of the Subject

1259
01:15:35.079 --> 01:15:40.039
i'm not extremely familiar, with but just looking up photos

1260
01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:46.399
of a sideba and you're looking at artists, recreations it

1261
01:15:46.439 --> 01:15:50.720
does have some definite similarities to what you hear from

1262
01:15:50.920 --> 01:15:54.439
from witness. Accounts so that's very. Cool it might be

1263
01:15:54.479 --> 01:15:57.840
Something i'll look a little bit more, into But, ROBIN

1264
01:15:58.079 --> 01:16:02.079
i just want to say thank you for coming on the.

1265
01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:06.680
Show do you prefer to be an individual that kind of,

1266
01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:09.000
WELL i guess you have already said. It you prefer

1267
01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:15.159
to be in the. Background but, YEAH i guess.

1268
01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:19.359
If somebody somebody has questions that they want help with

1269
01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:22.479
and they THINK i can, help on board and willing

1270
01:16:22.520 --> 01:16:22.720
to do.

1271
01:16:22.760 --> 01:16:26.640
That, okay very. Good is that a thing where we

1272
01:16:26.760 --> 01:16:32.960
can share your email or just if someone reaches out type?

1273
01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:35.079
Deal, yeah email would be, Fine, yes.

1274
01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:39.600
Okay SO i can put that in the show. Notes, yes, okay, Perfect.

1275
01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:41.800
Rob it's been a pleasure chatting with, you and thank

1276
01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:45.880
you for sharing different experiences that you've had and that

1277
01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:49.479
you've been involved with throughout your life regarding, this and

1278
01:16:50.520 --> 01:16:52.960
we'll definitely be in. Touch but thank you so much

1279
01:16:53.000 --> 01:16:53.720
for coming on the show.

1280
01:16:53.760 --> 01:16:56.760
Today oh you're very. Welcome evan joined it.

1281
01:16:56.800 --> 01:16:59.760
TOO i just want to take a few minutes to

1282
01:16:59.760 --> 01:17:03.000
say thank you to you all my listeners for listening

1283
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1291
01:17:31.119 --> 01:17:34.720
or know someone who, has please reach out to me

1292
01:17:35.119 --> 01:17:38.720
At Bigfoot society at gmail dot com or pass on my.

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