Family Spots an Elk Near Mount Rainier—Only Two See What Walks Beside It

0:00 He did not look like a bear at all. Had a face, an actual face. I think the face is what's gonna stick with me for the rest of my life. On a rainy morning near Packwood, Washington, Donnie Wesson and his family took the scenic route around Mount Rainier. At a roadside stop, Donnie and his daughter saw a massive figure moving beside an elk. But what was it about the figure's face I'm Jeremiah Byron, and this is Bigfoot Society. So it was exactly four years ago from today. So this is the four-year anniversary. In the morning, waking up in Packwood, Washington, I had stayed overnight with my family for my brother-in-law's birthday the night before in a lodge in Packwood, Washington. So this is near Mount Rainier, and it's really at the base of the mountain range. And so in the morning we were on the way back and this is with my three kids, my wife at the time and mother-in-law and brother-in-law. And so we're all in the van and I'm driving. And on the way back, there was a, there was a decision to go the longer way, which is around the mountain, which is through the mountain or, you know, the regular highways back. And so decided to take the more scenic route through to see if we could get more of a view of the mountain and, And during the process, it was rerouted by Google Maps. There was like some type of construction or something. So a bunch of cars had to... We

1:32 ended up in a row of cars going around the mountain and through the mountain. And it was raining. And there was still really good visibility. It was just kind of misty like a normal Washington day. But when we got to the first stop sign after about two hours, this is just probably... an hour to an hour and a half around the mountain from Packwood back to Olympia, Washington. And so we stopped and everyone was like, whoa, look at that elk. And so everyone in the car kind of was like, wow, it's huge. And then I was like, whoa, what's that? And simultaneously, my daughter at the same time was like, oh my, like, what is that? And we saw a 10 foot tall, it had to be at least 10 foot. It was so big, but it looked so confident and just like sweat. I can't even describe how almost egotistical this thing looked. because it looked like it owned the forest. And in comparison to the elk, which is the first time that I've ever even seen an elk, it was making the elk look small, and the elk was huge. This thing was so unassuming, too.

2:54 It wasn't like something that Everyone in the van caught as we're at the stop sign. There was kind of like this social pressure, which I don't usually even feel, but because of the detour to like keep going at the stop sign because there was like three cars behind us. But we're all looking over and the rest of the van is just seeing the elk, not seeing the 10 foot tall creature, only me and my daughter at the time. ended up seeing it we're like but what was that though we didn't think oh immediately this is sasquatch this is bigfoot it was not the immediate thought the thought in the mind was like what is this is a very large creature that let that owns the woods that this is his forest it felt like it was his it just felt like it didn't feel like i was looking at like um like a deer or something that you're like, wow, this majestic thing of nature. It was this very unassuming, like being that obviously was completely self-sufficient.

3:57 And the timeframe to be able to pull out a phone or take a picture was not even there. We're talking about maybe under five seconds before this thing disappeared into the large trees right behind it. And the elk was still there, but it literally just saw, saw, saw the line of cars showing up and it just kind of strolled its way back into the, into the, into the wood. And it looked like it did not care anything around it being a threat to it. That was something that was very clear about its expression. Just looking at its expression was like, this thing was not like, I'm sure it could be spooked. Like, like an animal could be spooked or scared. Like you would think, but that would just be because it's just deciding to go do its own thing. It obviously looks like completely free of any like encumbrances. Like we think about maybe when I was looking at it, the first thing I thought was how I can't believe something out here exists like this and how I am going back to my life and just normal world. This thing is, seemed like it existed out there and was thriving. Not like some scared animal that is hiding from people. It looked like this is its woods and its world is perfectly... Fine and well cared for. And so after that ended up in

5:29 a conversation in the van that we're like, but me and my daughter were like, but you guys saw that too, right? And they're like, no, that was the elk. And I'm like, no, no, we were going back and forth each other. Like, no, but the huge, like 10 foot tall. thing that was definitely not the elk. And it wasn't a bear. I've seen bears in documentaries and bears in real life standing up and stuff. So this thing was walking around very human-like. Definitely a real thing. Not a hallucination. It didn't look like you're just seeing something and you don't know what it is. It was very clear that this thing knew what it is. And I knew that this was a very large thing that lived in the woods and that I just had never seen it before. And the first thing that comes to your mind, I bet people who have seen it, I would guess if there was other people that have seen it, they may not have even known what they saw because it is, it is really unassuming.

6:31 It doesn't have the feeling of like, Oh my gosh, Bigfoot, Sasquatch. Even if you've seen documentaries about it. And even like, if you're into, you know, Cryptoid or just all of the lore, even if you've been into that stuff and you go into the woods there in Washington State or maybe somewhere else near a mountain and you actually see this thing, you're not going to probably immediately think Bigfoot. Even if that's something that you're into that lore, it just was not on the mind. The thing that just overwhelms you is how large it is. and how it's its own thing. I would imagine it's something like people who are really into whales, and then they finally actually go whale watching, and it's just not the same thing as reading about or seeing documentaries about whales. You go there and go, whoa, this is a huge thing. You don't immediately go, oh, these are the whales I've been watching or been reading about. you don't immediately think that what you think is like, wow, what is that? And so going back just to it, any of the other, you know, people in the family, in the car, they, their whole experience is completely separate, which is that they just thought out because they didn't see the 10 foot large thing, but you know, beside it, that obviously was

8:02 not anything that any one of us have ever seen before. I think the experience changed the way I look at the way everyone perceives things because you can have something standing right in front of you and two people see two different things. And so I think that that is probably why you would not have at this point some type of, you know, collection by modern society of, of Bigfoot or Sasquatch, Sasquatch, like, or bones or whatever is because I think that it's a perception or perceptive thing.

8:45 The ability for people to comprehend something that they haven't ever seen before does not hit everybody the same way. So that's just what I gathered from it, is that we all have our own perception of the world. And whenever that perception is broken by something that does not fit within the parameters that we're used to, we all kind of see different things. But sometimes... the ability to see those things is more prevalent for some people. And I think that that's what's going on. I think that's going on worldwide too on different phenomenons. People are becoming more aware of things like Bigfoot and Sasquatch. But I don't think that there's going to be a movement to actually get these things because whatever they are, They definitely know to stay far, stay away from human beings. And if they are advanced enough to live out in the forest and be completely self-sufficient and exist in a way of away from society, then they would be very aware that society is not a good thing to interact with.

9:59 That's just from my perspective. And so that's my opinion. But from my experience, I would say that if you were to put a hundred people into the same experience that I had, that me and my daughter had with seeing it, I would say that probably a good 30% to 40% would actually be like, whoa, we saw a massive Sasquatch Bigfoot, super hairy thing was so egotistical, and it looked like it did not even care. And the rest of the 60% you know, 70% would probably be like, well, I don't know. I'm not sure. I mean, I did see something that was just kind of weird to me.

10:52 It looked like something large and furry. They would probably be able to write it off a lot easier. And so I think that the skepticism makes sense because anyone seeing something new, no matter how many times they've read about it, just as if they were to find dinosaurs in the ocean that are really living or, you know, in the tropics or whatever, it's not going to be the same as them catching it and putting it in like a zoo. And I don't foresee that happening in the near future. I think that it might be a little more maybe spiritual or connected to the planet, connected to the earth in a way that we may not comprehend.

11:39 Just as we are finally studying more things that we weren't able to before technologies were developed, I think as technology develops, our ability to understand these things is going to get better. But is it a legitimate, factual, real being, flesh and blood? For sure, 100%. I think that that is going to eventually come to light, and everyone who's been talking about it for years... is going to be vindicated, but it's going to be at the point when it's almost boring. When people have been saying it for a hundred years or more, it'll just be this thing where it's like, Oh, people have been talking about that forever.

12:20 So to me, it's kind of a given and I'm just glad to be on here. And that's my, that was my experience. That's such, such a fascinating account. Donnie, do you mind if I ask you a few questions about it? Oh, of course. There was a part where we had interference, so I'm going to probably ask you some stuff you already said. We have weird interference on the show for some reason or another sometimes. So when you had the sighting, how long total do you think you were actually able to see it for? Because you were driving by it, right? Yeah, and at a stop sign. First stop sign in like an hour, hour and a half of driving around the mountains. and it's probably a good five to eight seconds definitely not 10 seconds just just if i'm counting it on my watch it's about five.

13:16 Seconds gotcha and it sounds like it was just standing there wasn't really moving around is that correct. It was strolling, if I could call it that. Yeah, I was strolling by the brush by the elk. So the elk was standing right across the road. So if you're at the stop sign looking across the road to the left, the elk was standing there and then to the left of the elk. standing about 10 feet tall as this thing's strolling, and it strolled towards the road, out of the trees, and it looked over, not at us, but just over at the brush, turned around, and walked back into the brush. But the attitude of its face was, like, the most egotistical thing I've ever seen. I can't even explain how much it did not care. It just looked like it was so self-sufficient and so, like... Did not, yeah, care at all. Right. Yeah, exactly.

14:14 You had mentioned there were cars behind you as well. Did you get any feeling as that maybe the other cars had seen it as well? Do you see people pulling over or? I think I was more flabbergasted by the situation to really look. And I don't usually feel social pressure at a stop sign. So I thought that that was kind of strange. That was a little different. Like, usually I'm not the type to, like, care about that. driving forward when I'm you know in nature or something and there's a car behind me it's different than a car behind you at a stop stoplight or something in a city so I thought that was kind of strange it was kind of like there was a pressure to get out of there not like fear but more like oh wow let's go like that's that's crazy I can't believe that that's a that's that's too nuts let's go like it didn't even have the the feel of like, let's see who else is looking at it. I think it would have been really cool to looking back at it. If the elk weren't there to get out of the car and take some pics, that would have been amazing or get some video. But well, it was, it was kind of like jaw dropping. I see why people don't have pictures.

15:26 I mean, I was using my phone for maps and like it did not probably stand there long enough to get a solid picture. I bet if I had my video camera out, I bet it would have been able to focus for like a second. Cause it was five seconds. Usually video cameras take a, you know, a good second or two to, to focus. So I probably could have got two or three seconds of footage if I was really fast, but alas, no. It's situations like this where I think if I was in that car and I was driving and I, I would forever be, regretting not having a dash cam in that I would just every day I would wake up and be like, man, I didn't have that dash cam.

16:11 I don't know if I would have, that would have been cool. That's that I had thought about getting months prior just for, you know, safety reasons just to have one. But I don't think a dash cam would have caught it because it came out from the brush from the left after the fact, it probably would have caught the elk, but the dash cam, you know, it's going to be facing the front and this is out to the left. And yeah, It walked out, kind of stood there barely a second and then walked back in. And I mean, so tall and so big, like very humanoid looking, did not look like a bear at all. Had a face, an actual face. I think the face is what's going to stick with me for the rest of my life.

16:55 Just the attitude and demeanor of the face and how large it was. I definitely have some, some questions for you about that in a minute, but you, you mentioned that you saw it walk quite a bit. Did you notice anything out of the ordinary about the gate or the way that it moved when it walked? Yeah, I would say that the, the, the length of the gate was, was strolling like a strolling gate, but, but it was, the legs and thighs are so large that it, Like when we walk, when we're walking, it looks kind of like choppy and it looked smooth. Like the way it walked looked really smooth. It didn't look like it was encumbered much. You know how like when we, when a human being runs around and you see them, you see the legs moving back and forth almost geometrically.

17:50 This thing had more like a smooth movement, like a stroll, like a... But not like... it just looks so relaxed and so confident in its gate. Like I can't even describe how confident that walks looks. It's such a smooth and confident walk that maybe if you've seen somebody that's like a big football player or something, maybe that is really confident in the way they walk, you could probably see something closer to that, but it's just a very smooth and confident walk. Would you say it looked overly different than what, we have as a culture, what our image we have in our minds of, you know, what pop culture says Bigfoot is like Harry and the Hendersons.

18:41 Yeah, I would say that the videos and pictures and stuff and descriptions, I would say that maybe they get the outline, right? Like the, what's it called? The shadow or the, the inverse probably is pretty close, but the picturing, like the cartoonish images, and the imagery of it in shows, popular shows that I've seen, it makes it to where it's probably more difficult to actually have sightings because of what everybody has in their mind. I do think that, because it definitely has a very distinct look and face, and it's much more like shaggy and put-together. It's not cartoonish looking. It doesn't look like a suit. It doesn't look like... It looks like it was made for the forest.

19:35 So that is what's interesting about it that I think is different. It blends in with its environment. It doesn't look like it's standing out of the... The elk stood out of the environment way more. Like it's forgettable. Like it's super forgettable. If someone was hiking and they saw this big thing walking through the trees, they would just be like, that was a huge thing. I bet that was, I bet that was an elk or I bet that was a bear or something. They would not remember it a few days later. Guarantee that there's been Probably hundreds of thousands, tens of thousands of sightings of it where it is completely unassuming. And you would just forget it because it doesn't match anything that you would think of or that is in like a biology book or like a book of animals, zoology.

20:23 It's extremely interesting. Have you ever seen anything that even comes close to what you saw that day? No, there's nothing like it. I've even seen videos online and YouTube and stuff of other Bigfoot sightings and things like that, and it just does not even look like what I saw. So that's why I think that maybe they're put out there by people that want to see it. There was, coming through Olympia, the Bigfoot or Sasquatch Museum, traveling museum, and I saw that, and there was some...

21:04 like footprints and stuff of the size, but even that stuff was not the size of this thing. This thing was even larger than that, than what they had in their museum of like what the footprints were and what even the pictures were. This thing was huge. This is not like, this is not like, at least what I saw, like probably if you had a measuring stick, it would be above 10 feet. Like, and it was wide too. It wasn't like, like scrawny. Like its arms were wide, its legs were freaking massive. And it's, And I think that the fact that it's so unassuming is probably the most eerie thing. Just remembering how much like it wasn't scary. It's just like there are things out in our world that exist that we don't even know about. But everyone is just like we just walk around our daily lives without knowing that the stuff is out there. What else is out there is my question. This is probably the bottom of the barrel of what is really out in our world is my guess. There's probably stuff that we cannot even imagine that is just so profoundly outside of our perception. It's just guessing from somebody who has an experience like this. I think that there's definitely levels to this that are beyond our comprehension, and that's why we're not even able to interact with it or see it.

22:26 Oh, totally. I mean, I would extremely agree with you on that one. Just before I forget, just to make sure that you're aware, I don't know if you've looked online to see if you could find other Bigfoot sightings in the Packwood, Washington area. There's a ton. So it's a very, very intense area for Bigfoot sightings. Wow, that makes total sense. I mean... There's definitely one up there. I mean, I think that it... I would think... I mean, just looking at it, I think this thing lives hundreds, if not thousands of years. I don't think it lives a short lifespan, like 100 years. And I don't think that it's something that big. Just looking at its face and how old, potentially, it could have already been, it's like a freaking tree. Like, I mean, it definitely...

23:20 They definitely have longer lifespans than human beings. I am 100% sure of that after seeing it. You mentioned that it looked overly confident. Were there certain facial features that brought that emotion across to you when you were able to see it for a few seconds? Yeah. I mean, that is the part that's sticking with me forever. That is the part, just the facial features of its attitude. The attitude... So I can only describe it by almost describing the inverse of that experience. So how we live is many times people live in scarcity of, of having jobs and bills and different things. And it wears on our, I didn't even notice this difference until after seeing it, but it wears on our faces and on our attitudes and how we walk around. And the way this thing walked around was like so self-sufficient and so aware of its environment and itself that that it looked like a completely individuated being. Like it was itself.

24:26 It knew what it was. It knew its purpose. And it walked in that purpose. I know that just seeing it for five seconds is absolutely incredible to even make this judgment. But you can make those judgments sometimes when you even see other people and they have themselves put together really well. Like someone who is really well put together, you can get that pretty quickly from meeting them. This thing for sure is, was beyond what I can describe as confident. It was so egotistical in the sense of like, not in a negative way, but so completely self-sufficient and well in its own environment. It was like I was coming to visit it in its environment. This wasn't the road that I'm driving down. This was its road that it allows me to be around. it did not feel like I was entering a space that was Washington state run by the city or run by, it felt like this is its area and I'm coming through it just for a second. And that was also probably part of the social pressure to get out of there and like keep driving and not take pictures and not take photos or video. There's an internal feeling or sense when you see its face, and you see how it looks around at its reality or its world around it, that you're in its world. And it's not like looking at those documentaries where people get into territory with a bear or

25:56 a lion or something, and it's like, oh, this is its territory. It felt like you were on someone else's land, like a person, like an actual person's land or a person's property. Like, I felt like I'm entering into your domain and I need to slowly and respectfully get out of here, you know, just without making a bunch of sound or a bunch of problems. I've never had anyone in a few years explain it the way you are, but it's very, very cool. Thinking back to that time. where you were able to look at its face. Do you remember any specific details about the face that really stood out to you as you were able to see it?

26:44 Yeah, I would say that it didn't... It had a... It had a very... It was covered in fur, but, like, the parts around, like, the cheeks, the top of the cheeks... were visible and near the area of like the nose like that was you know less hairy it had less hair there but the hair was all like puffed out it wasn't like matted down like and the hair looked like the type of hair that even if it got wet that it wouldn't really go down and matte down.

27:25 It would just stay fluffy. It was the kind of hair that looked almost like that kind of waterproof, if you've ever seen hair or sponge that is like, you can't really matte it down. I think it looks like well, well, well insulated. And so the face itself, the jaw and the mouth and the eyes have a very wide, And almost like you could say, like if you've seen like a, I don't know, maybe a more human looking camel, that sounds kind of funny, but like it's definitely protruding farther out from the jaw than the forehead. And the forehead is, is very, is, is high. It's higher than probably what you would imagine would be normal, but it's also wider and, So in the depictions I've seen in video and different stuff since then and looking at stuff, I didn't see the same, that many of the videos just show kind of like a taller, thinner face. This is definitely wide and tall. As tall as the forehead was is wide, almost square-like, like block-like. And the body had a block-like appearance in that like the... The structure looked completely bulky.

28:54 There's nothing lanky about it. And this is, you know, September. So maybe they get maybe they actually get coats for the winter and stuff. So maybe that's what it was. And it was getting more puffed out with its hair and everything. But the eyes were very high set, the eyes and the eyebrows ridge. It was more of a ridge and it was all covered in hair. So it wasn't like, you know, just eyebrows, but probably a little more furry there on the eyebrows. But it definitely looked like the structure was moving together simultaneously. So we're not talking about what I know of any masks or suits that are out there like this. there was nothing animatronic about it very natural and you couldn't really see any type of ears, but it definitely was there. It was within the structure of the hair, but it was all puffed out hair. It didn't look like a bear at all because... They have more like wiry type hair. This is like a puffed out kind of fur that is like more fluffy, almost like a stuffed animal, but like a really fluffy stuffed animal. And I'd say the feet were almost like dreaded type hair, very kind of matted dreaded type hair. And The feet were so large with

30:27 the thighs, and I can't even describe how large. I've seen an elephant in a zoo before, and I swear this thing had larger thighs and larger calves and feet than an elephant. It was definitely larger than what even I've seen at the zoo of elephants. This thing was so large that you... probably wouldn't even comprehend it as Bigfoot or something. You would go, what is that? That's what the first thing that came to my mind and my daughter's mind. We didn't think, oh, that's Bigfoot. Even five seconds afterwards when we were driving off, we were like, what was that? What was that? Yeah.

31:11 The details about the hair, very, very interesting. Thinking of the face, what you saw, Would you say what you saw you could easily see in a zoo or as something walking down the street in your hometown? I think it's closer to something walking down the street than it would be in the zoo. But I think if you saw it walking down the street, you'd probably go right in your house, even if you liked Bigfoot stuff, even if you were into it and you were into that type of stuff. I think that that it's probably so frightening because it's not a, it's not, it's not, what's the word comforting. It's not comforting to see anything like that. It's not like, it's not scary you out of your mind. It's just more like it does make you feel smaller as like a human. You feel kind of the one immediate thing that I got afterwards was a feeling of, of kind of like, insecurity and lack not as myself but as human beings it made me feel like we kind of lost the way in in society that was my immediate thought like as I'm driving off I'm like wait we lost the plot on being human beings whatever we did that thing is doing it right and we're not doing it right that was the that was the vibe because I immediately was like wait so I'm going back to the world to like pay bills and and care about all this stuff that maybe

32:42 I don't care about so much with society. And I was never, I didn't have that feeling towards civilization or society as a whole. Like, I didn't have any negative feelings towards it. I just was like, that thing was so huge and so well put together and so in its own element. And I myself am not in my own element. So if you saw it walking down the street, if you saw it in the zoo, you would feel like this thing has been trapped. You wouldn't think like, you don't look at elephants and tigers and lions. You might think, like pity them or feel sorry for them and be like, they probably would rather be on the Sierra or just, you know, chilling out. But if you saw this thing, you would be like, Oh, we trapped something.

33:25 Like we like definitely trapped something. Like even if it was there for 50 years and everybody kept seeing it, it'd be like everybody going to see King Kong. Like it's definitely been trapped. It's not a, it's not a thing that can just sit inside of a, you know, area that we all look at. That's, it's not going to, it doesn't work like that. It doesn't even look like that. Yeah. Donnie, I'm going to say once again, your viewpoint is very unique. It's, I love it though. I mean, the way that you're describing how it made you feel is a very, very unique and it's going to stick with me for, for a long time. I have a few more questions about the facial features. details that you noticed the nosh or the nose the nostrils of it were they like gorillas or were they turned down uh like a human.

34:15 It was more it was more i mean it was more flat facing like front like like that's why i said camel because it definitely protruded outwards and then not like a gorilla when i had like large holes it definitely had a nose but it didn't have like a nose, like a gorilla's nose where it's like larger with the nostrils. It had more like a protruding nose. Like you would think I'm like a dog, like, but not that far out, like, like more smushed in maybe like, like you might see on like, I don't want to say a pug cause that doesn't really match, but it's definitely farther into the face. than a dog. But it's not like gorilla nostrils, and it's definitely not human nostrils. It's covered in hair, so it doesn't look fleshy. At least that was my experience.

35:08 There's not like a fleshy nose there. And the whole thing is kind of fur and covered up. It's not like that. The upper parts of the cheek towards the eyes is where the hair thins out. And just right above that is when the hair starts getting puffy again. But around the nose is all hair too. It's not like fleshy. It's more just hairy. So there was, was there hair in like the upper lip area as well? Yeah. I mean that whole, that you could think of like a beard, but like the whole part of it was just all hair. Yeah. That whole area. But you could see, you could see lips. Like it definitely had lips.

35:51 And I think those are probably harder to describe because they were moving. They were making grimaces. They were making different faces, like pretty active lips, like in the jaw area. It was moving around as it was like assessing its situation there. And the eye movements, the eyeballs were huge. I mean, freaking, if you're thinking about like... I don't know. If there's bones ever found, these are definitely giant bones. And there's got to be a massive cover-up if these are being found somewhere. But I don't know. I think it's very likely that they are aware of us. They are aware of humans. They know to stay away from us.

36:37 And wherever they're burying their dead... It's probably somewhere that they are all that they that they keep well far away from human beings. And they seem to be doing more than well than us. We seem to be the ones that are kind of like, you know, reactive and very just kind of not knowing what we're doing. It's very clear that they know what they're doing. That was the vibe. I mean, that was exactly what it looked like. That was the main thing that made me even just insecure as a human being. This thing knew exactly what it was doing. It's not trying to market anything or trying to have an idea about life or what is life or who am I or what's my purpose. It was completely in its purpose and completely was what it was and definitely not an animal. I would not describe it as animal-like at all. I mean, that's why when you said he's walking down the street or in a zoo, this is not a new animal. This is a thing that probably is more advanced than human beings. My guess is that it's well, well beyond human beings, probably hundreds if not thousands of years more advanced than us because we are able to have a phone and talk and we have all this technology and different things. We seem to think that we're really well-advanced But the experience I had from looking at that was like, there's different types of advancements. There's advancements that come along with probably communities where if you have a community of let's say a hundred people, but you've kept it going for a thousand

38:11 years and you have a purpose as that community throughout time, that probably that whole, if I were just gathering from what I was looking at, I think that it's definitely a part of some type of colony of them that is so well put together for such a long period of time that they know exactly what they're doing and why they're here and their whole purpose in reality. And human beings are very, very lost on that. And that's why I would say they're more advanced. Not advanced like cell phones, but advanced maybe spiritually and spiritually. advanced in a way that we aren't able to yet comprehend. And that's probably why we're not able to just see them every day because it's not like an elephant. It's not like something you're just coming up on like an elk, just from my perspective.

39:06 The next question, some people take weird and I'll explain why I ask it if I need to, but I think you'll get it. Do you mind if I ask, do you have any native American heritage at all? I do. I definitely don't think that weird. I mean, if you want to describe why you're asking it, I don't mind asking that first, but I'll tell you. It's more of a personal thing that I've noticed. from doing interviews all the time for the last few years that a lot of the witnesses I end up talking to do end up having a Native American heritage of some sort. Wow, that's profound. So I didn't actually even attach those things together, but my great friend, Great-great-grandfather was a Cherokee chief.

39:50 So on my dad's side, his father's grandmother was a Cherokee princess, and then her father was the chief. Wow. That is incredible. So that means your daughter, I would assume, would also have related heritage. Yes. Yes. Actually, she was the only other one in the corner that would have the related heritage. That would be cognizant enough. That's my next question. So the other people in the car, they didn't have any of that related heritage then? Yep. Okay. They were Italian. They're from Italian blood.

40:31 Not to say that people with Italian heritage can't see Bigfoot. I'm sure plenty have. That's a really interesting thing though, isn't it? That You know, the both of you had that heritage. Yeah. And you were the two that saw it. It's very, very interesting. I mean, that leads me more down the route of what I was saying earlier. I didn't want to go down this route too much to... you know, putting anybody's listeners out there that are really out there with tools trying to find it. But I definitely got from the experience that it was spiritual because I felt like the first thing I thought about is how humanity had spiritually lost its way. And I don't usually just immediately think about that when I'm like driving around a mountain and see an elk. Usually I just appreciate what's going on and go, wow, that's beautiful. What a nice scenery. I don't immediately drive away from seeing something in nature and go, wow, humanity really has lost its way. So that was the immediate experience was like, this thing knows the way and has been living in the way this whole time. And we are not doing that. Wow.

41:43 That is incredible. There's another question I want to, to ask as well, if this, if this was your, you and your daughter's first experience with something paranormal related. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I don't really, I don't really have any other ones I want to share. I mean, I have personal experiences that are more, more paranormal, but that would be, I mean, because the thing is, people can have experiences where they might think they've seen something, you know, ghosts, aliens, whatever it is. I might be more open to sharing that. But the thing about that is, is all of those experiences that any of those people have, including myself, those are not the same as seeing this thing. Because this thing's a physical thing. Like, it's not a, like... it's not like, Whoa, what was that? I can't believe it.

42:39 Did you see that? And it didn't really exist. And maybe it was kind of there like a ghosty thing or something. This is like a flesh and blood thing. Like it definitely has a body and like, whether it has technology to go through portals or like dematerialize or whatever else. I mean, that's, that's funny to think about, but maybe, maybe it does, but I think it's more like, more than that in that it definitely has a body. And that's it. That was the one thing that about it that was really interesting too, is it did not seem paranormal. It did not seem like, like, like a kind of like fighting where you're like, Whoa, I can't believe what I saw is more like, what was that?

43:22 Like that. Hmm. And I asked that question, which the yes or no as an answer is perfectly fine. But I asked that because it's something I've noticed over years is that usually if I dig a little bit, the person who's had the sighting also has had, they tend to have other paranormal type experiences, like maybe you know, ghosts or aliens or, you know, there's a whole list of about six to eight that could be there. So more question for me, but yes or no by itself is perfectly fine with that one. Yeah, no, I wouldn't mind sharing it. I just don't want to go on down a segue.

44:04 No problem. That doesn't have anything. I mean, not to say it doesn't have anything to do with it, but I would just say this from my experiences in regards to anything paranormal is that I think from my life experiences, including seeing Sasquatch and seeing this being, I mean, we call it Bigfoot or Sasquatch, but I think it probably has its own name. It probably has its own name and we're just calling it that. And it's almost like just a decrypt. It's not really what it is. And I think that that's the more important aspect of all of this is that whatever it is, And my experience in life is not what we are termed as because what we're trying to do is we're trying to create a dialectical or like a language box for these things. And so I would say from my other experiences in life that we are not in a very, we're not in a, how do you want to call it? in a very materialistic world. Like I would have thought when I was younger, we're not somewhere that is very, everything looks cut and dry when you're at the store or you're driving around, like everything looks like it's supposed to be like the way that it is. But all of that information that's coming into our minds and into our brains that we're interpreted interpreting is from the perception of our previous experience all the way down to being a baby. So if there are things out there that don't match the things from our daily life, they could be in our peripheral.

45:29 They could be in our experience right in our backyard. But you're not going to probably see it or experience it unless you're in a specific environment. probably state of mind, which is open to that. If you're not open to it and you're thinking, I already know everything, everything about the world is already makes sense to me. And everybody has, has conveyed it to me and I'm educated enough to know everything. Then when you have that experience and you're in the car and you see the same thing, you're going to be like, I don't know what that was. Hmm. That's cool. And you'll just move on with life. That's what I think is happening. I think that's probably why you don't have it cataloged and you don't have anyone out there doing it, because it probably is connected to something more spiritual, which requires people to be a little more open to experiencing something different outside of their perception.

46:18 So I would say when it comes to paranormal things, at least in my experience, I now know that for sure, a hundred percent that it's not a, a believing thing. It's definitely a knowing thing. And once you get to the point of knowing, there's no, there's no going back. It's not like you go back and go, Oh, I guess I was wrong. I guess my, my senses were a little off. You never go back to that. You go, Oh, this is definitely something. And I was not aware of it before. Cool. Yeah. And, It definitely, from the people I've talked to, it definitely changes them. And you're right, there's a no going back thing after that, no matter what people say around you.

46:59 What would you say to people maybe listening that have a desire to see one of these creatures, but they haven't yet? I don't think that you can just go have it. I wasn't going out there to just go have it. I think that the reason why you could search forever and not find it is because it probably has something more to do with a human being and what they're going through and what their experience is. Like what I was going through in that part of my life and what I was experiencing. Another fascinating thing that had occurred is I had bruised my rib. I'd been playing with my daughter and she jumped on my rib and it bruised my left rib. And so at the time, I was very a lot of pain from that. Like I'd sat in the hot tub overnight and, you know, got it.

47:52 They got it feeling a little better. But I was in a lot of pain at that time. And so when I saw that, I forgot all about the pain. I didn't even feel it. I didn't even think about it. Going back to the memory, I can't believe that I wasn't even focused on that discomfort. And maybe it's adrenaline or something, but I would guess that if someone wanted to see something like that, they might want to have, they might want to be in a more, what do you want to call it? Maybe a downward spiral or negative experience in life in the sense that they might be looking for something outside of themselves to, to experience. So instead of like going out to find some type of, you know, beast in the forest or some kind of like being and we're going to find we're going to find Bigfoot. If you go at it with something along the lines of, wow, my life has gotten to a point where it's kind of painful. And I'm in I'm in a lot of I'm in a in a in a more negative state. Let me go out to the forest.

48:55 and see if I can maybe have a different experience or have something that feels a little different. I would say that it probably is more likely that someone's going to have the experience of seeing something like that in a state of mind where they might be in discomfort or maybe a little out of their element than somebody that is like excited to find something. Someone excited to find something is might even see something and pass it off as just normal. But someone in a state of more discomfort, like even my daughter in the car, she didn't want, she was tired of the trip. She did not want the trip to go on anymore. She already wanted to be home. So I was in a state of discomfort too. I wanted to be home. I didn't want to be out in the forest. I don't think that it's going to come from that because I do think it's probably connected to consciousness. And I think that if your consciousness is in a state of discomfort and in a state of... That's why also I think there's probably been a lot more sightings than have ever been reported because I would gather that maybe people have done camping solo activities or maybe with their friends not going to see anything, but getting away from circumstances in their lives or maybe getting a break from their life a little bit. And then they see something profound like that, and they just don't say anything. I haven't said anything really to maybe one or two people in four years, and this is a four-year anniversary, and I'm talking to you, which is beautiful. But I don't go around telling people

50:27 about it because it's not something that– it doesn't feel like– it doesn't feel like– It feels so profound that there is a different way of looking at the world that it almost feels like you're grandstanding on other people if you try and go around telling them about it. It's almost like, oh, you had this experience. Oh, cool. You know, like you're so much better than other people. That's where it eventually gets, at least that's the feeling I get when you share it. It's more like, you know, like, whoa, you're crazy. That's crazy. Or that's wild. Or maybe someone's into it. But the rest are just like, oh, look at these people that think that they're so, so important that they've supposedly seen something that no one else has ever seen, that no researcher has found. It's just, it gives off an air of arrogance. which is so ironic after seeing the amount of arrogance and whatever that experience was.

51:22 And looking at it, I would say arrogance isn't even a term that you could call it because it looked– people want to make assumptions about it, at least in pop culture, that I see that don't even match it. When I'm saying arrogance and egotistical, I mean– beyond your even imagination of having life figured out. That was it. Like it looked like thriving. If you see somebody, maybe you've met somebody. I've met a few people that have themselves so well put together in their life. So good. So well put together in themselves that they barely have any negative emotion or negative experiences. That's what it looked like. This thing lives in complete positive bliss and perfection and While we're out here, like struggling and trying to figure out what we're doing. So to me, I think if you're struggling and trying to figure out what you're doing and you go in the forest, maybe to get away for a minute, maybe Washington state, maybe near a mountain or at least near some mountain ridges, my guess, probably more likely.

52:23 I would definitely agree with you from what I've heard. You're pretty much done. dead on with that assumption. Would you ever want to see one again yourself? I think under a different context, under the context of actually knowing what they are and what they're doing and what their whole thing is. Like if they were to, if we were to find out that they had an underground city or base or something, or they've lived here all along and they have knowledge to impart and wisdom to share, something like that, I wouldn't like to see one in the context of it being probably caught and kept in some kind of room or some kind of facility to try and test it. I think that that would be really ignorant. But that's just me because from what I saw, this thing knew what it was doing in the world and we don't. So from my perspective, I feel like we would be the ignorant ones in that case trying to figure out what's going on. I think it's a lot more likely that Maybe when human beings are ready, they'll contact us. My guess, just a guess, maybe all of these large blocks and architecture throughout history that human beings supposedly built, maybe not so much. I'm not saying for sure it was that, but it's definitely probably related to that thing more than it's related to us doing all that architecture.

53:58 It's a definite interesting hypothesis and something of that size could probably pick one of those up for sure. It's got a lot of power. Yes, I would definitely, I mean, that's something we didn't talk about, but I would say that this thing could probably lift 10,000 pounds easy, but it can lift a car and it would have no problem lifting a car or a truck. And I don't think anyone would probably catch it. If you really were trying to catch this thing, um, I mean, you'd have to have a small military or something. I don't think you're going to catch it. I think that you could probably have... I'm trying to think. I mean, just to even get the idea of getting out there and getting it. If there's just one or something and we're trying to figure it out. I mean, it is so huge. It could just... over cars and have no no it would be like butter i'm trying to think of how large something would have to be for it to be a problem probably like a semi trailer might have a little bit of trouble moving a semi around or probably not.

55:08 Much that's that's a very very interesting Way to put it. It definitely makes sense. Donnie, I just want to thank you for spending some time with me tonight. This has been an incredibly detailed account, and I'm so glad that we were able to make this happen. Thank you so much for coming on the show tonight. Glad to be here. I appreciate you for allowing me to share it, especially on the four year. Cool yeah it's it's it's very cool if there's anything else that if you ever need any help with anything regarding this in the future feel free to please. Reach out oh yeah definitely thanks for having me on.

55:49 A special thank you to mr donnie wesson for coming on the show if you've had a bigfoot encounter of your own i would love to hear from you you can send me an email with your encounter at bigfootsociety at gmail.com. I've come out with a free report about the top 10 Bigfoot hotspots. You can go over to bit.ly forward slash BFS report. I'm Jeremiah Byron. Thanks for listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'll see you In the woods.