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Sept. 23, 2026

Family Spots an Elk Near Mount Rainier—Only Two See What Walks Beside It

Family Spots an Elk Near Mount Rainier—Only Two See What Walks Beside It
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During a rainy family drive near Mount Rainier, Donnie and his daughter witnessed an enormous upright figure moving beside a roadside elk. Donnie estimates that it stood at least 10 feet tall, with a massive build, unusually thick hair, and a smooth, confident stride.


The figure remained visible for approximately five seconds before returning to the forest. Years later, Donnie can still picture its proportions, active facial expressions, and the face he says will stay with him for the rest of his life.


In this detailed firsthand account, Donnie reconstructs the sighting near Packwood, Washington, explains why the elk provided such a powerful sense of scale, and explores how the encounter changed his understanding of the wilderness.


Originally released as Bigfoot Society Episode 555 on October 12, 2024.

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He did not look like a bear at all. Had

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a face, an actual face. I think the face is

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what's gonna stick with me for the rest of my life.

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On a rainy morning near Packwood, Washington, Donnie Wesson and

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his family took the scenic route around Mount Rainier. At

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a roadside stop, Donnie and his daughter saw a massive

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figure moving beside an elk. But what was it about

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the figure's face I'm Jeremiah Byron, and this is Bigfoot Society.

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So it was exactly four years ago from today. So

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this is the four-year anniversary. In the morning, waking up

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in Packwood, Washington, I had stayed overnight with my family

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for my brother-in-law's birthday the night before in a lodge

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in Packwood, Washington. So this is near Mount Rainier, and

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it's really at the base of the mountain range. And

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so in the morning we were on the way back

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and this is with my three kids, my wife at

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the time and mother-in-law and brother-in-law. And so we're all

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in the van and I'm driving. And on the way back,

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there was a, there was a decision to go the

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longer way, which is around the mountain, which is through

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the mountain or, you know, the regular highways back. And

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so decided to take the more scenic route through to

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see if we could get more of a view of

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the mountain and, And during the process, it was rerouted

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by Google Maps. There was like some type of construction

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or something. So a bunch of cars had to... We

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ended up in a row of cars going around the

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mountain and through the mountain. And it was raining. And

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there was still really good visibility. It was just kind

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of misty like a normal Washington day. But when we

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got to the first stop sign after about two hours,

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this is just probably... an hour to an hour and

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a half around the mountain from Packwood back to Olympia, Washington.

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And so we stopped and everyone was like, whoa, look

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at that elk. And so everyone in the car kind

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of was like, wow, it's huge. And then I was like, whoa,

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what's that? And simultaneously, my daughter at the same time

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was like, oh my, like, what is that? And we

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saw a 10 foot tall, it had to be at

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least 10 foot. It was so big, but it looked

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so confident and just like sweat. I can't even describe

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how almost egotistical this thing looked. because it looked like

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it owned the forest. And in comparison to the elk,

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which is the first time that I've ever even seen

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an elk, it was making the elk look small, and

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the elk was huge. This thing was so unassuming, too.

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It wasn't like something that Everyone in the van caught

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as we're at the stop sign. There was kind of

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like this social pressure, which I don't usually even feel,

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but because of the detour to like keep going at

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the stop sign because there was like three cars behind us.

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But we're all looking over and the rest of the

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van is just seeing the elk, not seeing the 10

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foot tall creature, only me and my daughter at the time.

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ended up seeing it we're like but what was that

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though we didn't think oh immediately this is sasquatch this

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is bigfoot it was not the immediate thought the thought

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in the mind was like what is this is a

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very large creature that let that owns the woods that

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this is his forest it felt like it was his

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it just felt like it didn't feel like i was

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looking at like um like a deer or something that

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you're like, wow, this majestic thing of nature. It was

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this very unassuming, like being that obviously was completely self-sufficient.

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And the timeframe to be able to pull out a

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phone or take a picture was not even there. We're

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talking about maybe under five seconds before this thing disappeared

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into the large trees right behind it. And the elk

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was still there, but it literally just saw, saw, saw

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the line of cars showing up and it just kind

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of strolled its way back into the, into the, into

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the wood. And it looked like it did not care

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anything around it being a threat to it. That was

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something that was very clear about its expression. Just looking

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at its expression was like, this thing was not like,

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I'm sure it could be spooked. Like, like an animal

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could be spooked or scared. Like you would think, but

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that would just be because it's just deciding to go

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do its own thing. It obviously looks like completely free

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of any like encumbrances. Like we think about maybe when

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I was looking at it, the first thing I thought

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was how I can't believe something out here exists like

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this and how I am going back to my life

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and just normal world. This thing is, seemed like it

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existed out there and was thriving. Not like some scared

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animal that is hiding from people. It looked like this

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is its woods and its world is perfectly... Fine and

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well cared for. And so after that ended up in

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a conversation in the van that we're like, but me

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and my daughter were like, but you guys saw that too, right?

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And they're like, no, that was the elk. And I'm like, no, no,

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we were going back and forth each other. Like, no,

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but the huge, like 10 foot tall. thing that was

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definitely not the elk. And it wasn't a bear. I've

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seen bears in documentaries and bears in real life standing

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up and stuff. So this thing was walking around very human-like.

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Definitely a real thing. Not a hallucination. It didn't look

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like you're just seeing something and you don't know what

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it is. It was very clear that this thing knew

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what it is. And I knew that this was a

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very large thing that lived in the woods and that

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I just had never seen it before. And the first

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thing that comes to your mind, I bet people who

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have seen it, I would guess if there was other

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people that have seen it, they may not have even

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known what they saw because it is, it is really unassuming.

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It doesn't have the feeling of like, Oh my gosh, Bigfoot, Sasquatch.

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Even if you've seen documentaries about it. And even like,

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if you're into, you know, Cryptoid or just all of

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the lore, even if you've been into that stuff and

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you go into the woods there in Washington State or

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maybe somewhere else near a mountain and you actually see

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this thing, you're not going to probably immediately think Bigfoot.

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Even if that's something that you're into that lore, it

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just was not on the mind. The thing that just

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overwhelms you is how large it is. and how it's

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its own thing. I would imagine it's something like people

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who are really into whales, and then they finally actually

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go whale watching, and it's just not the same thing

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as reading about or seeing documentaries about whales. You go

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there and go, whoa, this is a huge thing. You

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don't immediately go, oh, these are the whales I've been

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watching or been reading about. you don't immediately think that

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what you think is like, wow, what is that? And

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so going back just to it, any of the other,

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you know, people in the family, in the car, they,

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their whole experience is completely separate, which is that they

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just thought out because they didn't see the 10 foot

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large thing, but you know, beside it, that obviously was

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not anything that any one of us have ever seen before.

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I think the experience changed the way I look at

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the way everyone perceives things because you can have something

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standing right in front of you and two people see

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two different things. And so I think that that is

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probably why you would not have at this point some

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type of, you know, collection by modern society of, of

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Bigfoot or Sasquatch, Sasquatch, like, or bones or whatever is

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because I think that it's a perception or perceptive thing.

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The ability for people to comprehend something that they haven't

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ever seen before does not hit everybody the same way.

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So that's just what I gathered from it, is that

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we all have our own perception of the world. And

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whenever that perception is broken by something that does not

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fit within the parameters that we're used to, we all

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kind of see different things. But sometimes... the ability to

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see those things is more prevalent for some people. And

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I think that that's what's going on. I think that's

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going on worldwide too on different phenomenons. People are becoming

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more aware of things like Bigfoot and Sasquatch. But I

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don't think that there's going to be a movement to

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actually get these things because whatever they are, They definitely

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know to stay far, stay away from human beings. And

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if they are advanced enough to live out in the

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forest and be completely self-sufficient and exist in a way

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of away from society, then they would be very aware

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that society is not a good thing to interact with.

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That's just from my perspective. And so that's my opinion.

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But from my experience, I would say that if you

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were to put a hundred people into the same experience

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that I had, that me and my daughter had with

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seeing it, I would say that probably a good 30%

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to 40% would actually be like, whoa, we saw a

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massive Sasquatch Bigfoot, super hairy thing was so egotistical, and

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it looked like it did not even care. And the

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rest of the 60% you know, 70% would probably be like, well,

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I don't know. I'm not sure. I mean, I did

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see something that was just kind of weird to me.

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It looked like something large and furry. They would probably

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be able to write it off a lot easier. And

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so I think that the skepticism makes sense because anyone

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seeing something new, no matter how many times they've read

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about it, just as if they were to find dinosaurs

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in the ocean that are really living or, you know,

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in the tropics or whatever, it's not going to be

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the same as them catching it and putting it in

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like a zoo. And I don't foresee that happening in

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the near future. I think that it might be a

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little more maybe spiritual or connected to the planet, connected

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to the earth in a way that we may not comprehend.

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Just as we are finally studying more things that we

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weren't able to before technologies were developed, I think as

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technology develops, our ability to understand these things is going

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to get better. But is it a legitimate, factual, real being,

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flesh and blood? For sure, 100%. I think that that

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is going to eventually come to light, and everyone who's

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been talking about it for years... is going to be vindicated,

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but it's going to be at the point when it's

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almost boring. When people have been saying it for a

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hundred years or more, it'll just be this thing where

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it's like, Oh, people have been talking about that forever.

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So to me, it's kind of a given and I'm

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just glad to be on here. And that's my, that

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was my experience.

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That's such, such a fascinating account. Donnie, do you mind

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if I ask you a few questions about it?

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Oh, of course.

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There was a part where we had interference, so I'm

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going to probably ask you some stuff you already said.

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We have weird interference on the show for some reason

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or another sometimes. So when you had the sighting, how

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long total do you think you were actually able to

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see it for? Because you were driving by it, right?

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Yeah, and at a stop sign. First stop sign in

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like an hour, hour and a half of driving around

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the mountains. and it's probably a good five to eight

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seconds definitely not 10 seconds just just if i'm counting

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it on my watch it's about five.

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Seconds gotcha and it sounds like it was just standing

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there wasn't really moving around is that correct.

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It was strolling, if I could call it that. Yeah,

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I was strolling by the brush by the elk. So

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the elk was standing right across the road. So if

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you're at the stop sign looking across the road to

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the left, the elk was standing there and then to

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the left of the elk. standing about 10 feet tall

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as this thing's strolling, and it strolled towards the road,

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out of the trees, and it looked over, not at us,

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but just over at the brush, turned around, and walked

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back into the brush. But the attitude of its face was, like,

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the most egotistical thing I've ever seen. I can't even

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explain how much it did not care. It just looked

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like it was so self-sufficient and so, like... Did not, yeah,

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care at all. Right. Yeah, exactly.

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You had mentioned there were cars behind you as well.

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Did you get any feeling as that maybe the other

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cars had seen it as well? Do you see people

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pulling over or?

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I think I was more flabbergasted by the situation to

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really look. And I don't usually feel social pressure at

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a stop sign. So I thought that that was kind

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of strange. That was a little different. Like, usually I'm

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not the type to, like, care about that. driving forward

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when I'm you know in nature or something and there's

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a car behind me it's different than a car behind

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you at a stop stoplight or something in a city

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so I thought that was kind of strange it was

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kind of like there was a pressure to get out

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of there not like fear but more like oh wow

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let's go like that's that's crazy I can't believe that

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that's a that's that's too nuts let's go like it

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didn't even have the the feel of like, let's see

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who else is looking at it. I think it would

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have been really cool to looking back at it. If

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the elk weren't there to get out of the car

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and take some pics, that would have been amazing or

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get some video. But well, it was, it was kind

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of like jaw dropping. I see why people don't have pictures.

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I mean, I was using my phone for maps and

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like it did not probably stand there long enough to

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get a solid picture. I bet if I had my

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video camera out, I bet it would have been able

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to focus for like a second. Cause it was five seconds.

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Usually video cameras take a, you know, a good second

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or two to, to focus. So I probably could have

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got two or three seconds of footage if I was

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really fast, but alas, no.

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It's situations like this where I think if I was

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in that car and I was driving and I, I

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would forever be, regretting not having a dash cam in

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that I would just every day I would wake up

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and be like, man, I didn't have that dash cam.

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I don't know if I would have, that would have

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been cool. That's that I had thought about getting months

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prior just for, you know, safety reasons just to have one.

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But I don't think a dash cam would have caught

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it because it came out from the brush from the

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left after the fact, it probably would have caught the elk,

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but the dash cam, you know, it's going to be

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facing the front and this is out to the left.

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And yeah, It walked out, kind of stood there barely

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a second and then walked back in. And I mean,

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so tall and so big, like very humanoid looking, did

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not look like a bear at all. Had a face,

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an actual face. I think the face is what's going

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to stick with me for the rest of my life.

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Just the attitude and demeanor of the face and how

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large it was.

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I definitely have some, some questions for you about that

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in a minute, but you, you mentioned that you saw

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it walk quite a bit. Did you notice anything out

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of the ordinary about the gate or the way that

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it moved when it walked?

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Yeah, I would say that the, the, the length of

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the gate was, was strolling like a strolling gate, but,

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but it was, the legs and thighs are so large

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that it, Like when we walk, when we're walking, it

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looks kind of like choppy and it looked smooth. Like

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the way it walked looked really smooth. It didn't look

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like it was encumbered much. You know how like when we,

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when a human being runs around and you see them,

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you see the legs moving back and forth almost geometrically.

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This thing had more like a smooth movement, like a stroll,

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like a... But not like... it just looks so relaxed

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and so confident in its gate. Like I can't even

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describe how confident that walks looks. It's such a smooth

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and confident walk that maybe if you've seen somebody that's

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like a big football player or something, maybe that is

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really confident in the way they walk, you could probably

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see something closer to that, but it's just a very

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smooth and confident walk.

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Would you say it looked overly different than what, we

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have as a culture, what our image we have in

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our minds of, you know, what pop culture says Bigfoot

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is like Harry and the Hendersons.

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Yeah, I would say that the videos and pictures and

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stuff and descriptions, I would say that maybe they get

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the outline, right? Like the, what's it called? The shadow

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or the, the inverse probably is pretty close, but the picturing,

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like the cartoonish images, and the imagery of it in shows,

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popular shows that I've seen, it makes it to where

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it's probably more difficult to actually have sightings because of

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what everybody has in their mind. I do think that,

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because it definitely has a very distinct look and face,

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and it's much more like shaggy and put-together. It's not

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cartoonish looking. It doesn't look like a suit. It doesn't

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look like... It looks like it was made for the forest.

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So that is what's interesting about it that I think

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is different. It blends in with its environment. It doesn't

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look like it's standing out of the... The elk stood

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out of the environment way more. Like it's forgettable. Like

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it's super forgettable. If someone was hiking and they saw

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this big thing walking through the trees, they would just

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be like, that was a huge thing. I bet that was,

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I bet that was an elk or I bet that

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was a bear or something. They would not remember it

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a few days later. Guarantee that there's been Probably hundreds

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of thousands, tens of thousands of sightings of it where

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it is completely unassuming. And you would just forget it

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because it doesn't match anything that you would think of

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or that is in like a biology book or like

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a book of animals, zoology.

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It's extremely interesting. Have you ever seen anything that even

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comes close to what you saw that day?

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No, there's nothing like it. I've even seen videos online

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and YouTube and stuff of other Bigfoot sightings and things

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like that, and it just does not even look like

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what I saw. So that's why I think that maybe

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they're put out there by people that want to see it.

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There was, coming through Olympia, the Bigfoot or Sasquatch Museum,

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traveling museum, and I saw that, and there was some...

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like footprints and stuff of the size, but even that

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stuff was not the size of this thing. This thing

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was even larger than that, than what they had in

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their museum of like what the footprints were and what

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even the pictures were. This thing was huge. This is

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not like, this is not like, at least what I saw,

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like probably if you had a measuring stick, it would

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be above 10 feet. Like, and it was wide too.

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It wasn't like, like scrawny. Like its arms were wide,

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its legs were freaking massive. And it's, And I think

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that the fact that it's so unassuming is probably the

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most eerie thing. Just remembering how much like it wasn't scary.

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It's just like there are things out in our world

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that exist that we don't even know about. But everyone

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is just like we just walk around our daily lives

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without knowing that the stuff is out there. What else

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is out there is my question. This is probably the

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bottom of the barrel of what is really out in

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our world is my guess. There's probably stuff that we

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cannot even imagine that is just so profoundly outside of

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our perception. It's just guessing from somebody who has an

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experience like this. I think that there's definitely levels to

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this that are beyond our comprehension, and that's why we're

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not even able to interact with it or see it.

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Oh, totally. I mean, I would extremely agree with you

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on that one. Just before I forget, just to make

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sure that you're aware, I don't know if you've looked

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online to see if you could find other Bigfoot sightings

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in the Packwood, Washington area. There's a ton. So it's

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a very, very intense area for Bigfoot sightings.

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Wow, that makes total sense. I mean... There's definitely one

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up there. I mean, I think that it... I would think...

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I mean, just looking at it, I think this thing

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lives hundreds, if not thousands of years. I don't think

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it lives a short lifespan, like 100 years. And I

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don't think that it's something that big. Just looking at

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its face and how old, potentially, it could have already been,

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it's like a freaking tree. Like, I mean, it definitely...

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They definitely have longer lifespans than human beings. I am

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100% sure of that after seeing it.

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You mentioned that it looked overly confident. Were there certain

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facial features that brought that emotion across to you when

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you were able to see it for a few seconds?

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Yeah. I mean, that is the part that's sticking with

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me forever. That is the part, just the facial features

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of its attitude. The attitude... So I can only describe

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it by almost describing the inverse of that experience. So

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how we live is many times people live in scarcity of,

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of having jobs and bills and different things. And it

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wears on our, I didn't even notice this difference until

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after seeing it, but it wears on our faces and

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on our attitudes and how we walk around. And the

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way this thing walked around was like so self-sufficient and

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so aware of its environment and itself that that it

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looked like a completely individuated being. Like it was itself.

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It knew what it was. It knew its purpose. And

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it walked in that purpose. I know that just seeing

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it for five seconds is absolutely incredible to even make

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this judgment. But you can make those judgments sometimes when

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you even see other people and they have themselves put

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together really well. Like someone who is really well put together,

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you can get that pretty quickly from meeting them. This

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thing for sure is, was beyond what I can describe

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as confident. It was so egotistical in the sense of like,

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not in a negative way, but so completely self-sufficient and

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well in its own environment. It was like I was

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coming to visit it in its environment. This wasn't the

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road that I'm driving down. This was its road that

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it allows me to be around. it did not feel

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like I was entering a space that was Washington state

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run by the city or run by, it felt like

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this is its area and I'm coming through it just

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for a second. And that was also probably part of

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the social pressure to get out of there and like

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keep driving and not take pictures and not take photos

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or video. There's an internal feeling or sense when you

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see its face, and you see how it looks around

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at its reality or its world around it, that you're

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in its world. And it's not like looking at those

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documentaries where people get into territory with a bear or

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a lion or something, and it's like, oh, this is

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its territory. It felt like you were on someone else's land,

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like a person, like an actual person's land or a

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person's property. Like, I felt like I'm entering into your

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domain and I need to slowly and respectfully get out

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of here, you know, just without making a bunch of

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sound or a bunch of problems.

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I've never had anyone in a few years explain it

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the way you are, but it's very, very cool. Thinking

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back to that time. where you were able to look

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at its face. Do you remember any specific details about

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the face that really stood out to you as you

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were able to see it?

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Yeah, I would say that it didn't... It had a...

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It had a very... It was covered in fur, but, like,

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the parts around, like, the cheeks, the top of the cheeks...

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were visible and near the area of like the nose

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like that was you know less hairy it had less

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hair there but the hair was all like puffed out

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it wasn't like matted down like and the hair looked

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like the type of hair that even if it got

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wet that it wouldn't really go down and matte down.

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It would just stay fluffy. It was the kind of

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hair that looked almost like that kind of waterproof, if

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you've ever seen hair or sponge that is like, you

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can't really matte it down. I think it looks like well, well,

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well insulated. And so the face itself, the jaw and

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the mouth and the eyes have a very wide, And

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almost like you could say, like if you've seen like a,

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I don't know, maybe a more human looking camel, that

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sounds kind of funny, but like it's definitely protruding farther

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out from the jaw than the forehead. And the forehead is,

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is very, is, is high. It's higher than probably what

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you would imagine would be normal, but it's also wider and,

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So in the depictions I've seen in video and different

456
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stuff since then and looking at stuff, I didn't see

457
00:28:25.500 --> 00:28:29.259
the same, that many of the videos just show kind

458
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:34.480
of like a taller, thinner face. This is definitely wide

459
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:39.900
and tall. As tall as the forehead was is wide,

460
00:28:39.940 --> 00:28:43.980
almost square-like, like block-like. And the body had a block-like

461
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:54.490
appearance in that like the... The structure looked completely bulky.

462
00:28:54.890 --> 00:28:58.079
There's nothing lanky about it. And this is, you know, September.

463
00:28:58.140 --> 00:29:00.619
So maybe they get maybe they actually get coats for

464
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:02.680
the winter and stuff. So maybe that's what it was.

465
00:29:02.779 --> 00:29:05.089
And it was getting more puffed out with its hair

466
00:29:05.130 --> 00:29:09.009
and everything. But the eyes were very high set, the

467
00:29:09.210 --> 00:29:13.019
eyes and the eyebrows ridge. It was more of a

468
00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:15.220
ridge and it was all covered in hair. So it

469
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:17.920
wasn't like, you know, just eyebrows, but probably a little

470
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:22.160
more furry there on the eyebrows. But it definitely looked

471
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:29.509
like the structure was moving together simultaneously. So we're not

472
00:29:29.569 --> 00:29:33.690
talking about what I know of any masks or suits

473
00:29:33.750 --> 00:29:37.559
that are out there like this. there was nothing animatronic

474
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:42.630
about it very natural and you couldn't really see any

475
00:29:42.670 --> 00:29:46.619
type of ears, but it definitely was there. It was

476
00:29:46.670 --> 00:29:50.619
within the structure of the hair, but it was all

477
00:29:51.619 --> 00:29:54.140
puffed out hair. It didn't look like a bear at

478
00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:58.859
all because... They have more like wiry type hair. This

479
00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:02.539
is like a puffed out kind of fur that is

480
00:30:02.660 --> 00:30:06.380
like more fluffy, almost like a stuffed animal, but like

481
00:30:06.420 --> 00:30:15.410
a really fluffy stuffed animal. And I'd say the feet

482
00:30:16.369 --> 00:30:22.029
were almost like dreaded type hair, very kind of matted

483
00:30:22.089 --> 00:30:27.730
dreaded type hair. And The feet were so large with

484
00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:32.759
the thighs, and I can't even describe how large. I've

485
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:35.579
seen an elephant in a zoo before, and I swear

486
00:30:35.619 --> 00:30:39.660
this thing had larger thighs and larger calves and feet

487
00:30:39.700 --> 00:30:44.289
than an elephant. It was definitely larger than what even

488
00:30:44.930 --> 00:30:47.170
I've seen at the zoo of elephants. This thing was

489
00:30:47.250 --> 00:30:52.970
so large that you... probably wouldn't even comprehend it as

490
00:30:53.009 --> 00:30:57.549
Bigfoot or something. You would go, what is that? That's

491
00:30:57.589 --> 00:30:59.029
what the first thing that came to my mind and

492
00:30:59.049 --> 00:31:01.990
my daughter's mind. We didn't think, oh, that's Bigfoot. Even

493
00:31:02.029 --> 00:31:04.670
five seconds afterwards when we were driving off, we were like,

494
00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:11.779
what was that? What was that? Yeah.

495
00:31:11.980 --> 00:31:16.859
The details about the hair, very, very interesting. Thinking of

496
00:31:17.099 --> 00:31:21.700
the face, what you saw, Would you say what you

497
00:31:21.779 --> 00:31:25.119
saw you could easily see in a zoo or as

498
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:28.299
something walking down the street in your hometown?

499
00:31:31.700 --> 00:31:34.009
I think it's closer to something walking down the street

500
00:31:34.509 --> 00:31:37.390
than it would be in the zoo. But I think

501
00:31:37.430 --> 00:31:41.190
if you saw it walking down the street, you'd probably

502
00:31:41.210 --> 00:31:44.730
go right in your house, even if you liked Bigfoot stuff,

503
00:31:45.349 --> 00:31:47.049
even if you were into it and you were into

504
00:31:47.069 --> 00:31:50.150
that type of stuff. I think that that it's probably

505
00:31:50.630 --> 00:31:55.710
so frightening because it's not a, it's not, it's not,

506
00:31:55.789 --> 00:31:59.470
what's the word comforting. It's not comforting to see anything

507
00:31:59.529 --> 00:32:02.410
like that. It's not like, it's not scary you out

508
00:32:02.430 --> 00:32:05.279
of your mind. It's just more like it does make

509
00:32:05.299 --> 00:32:08.859
you feel smaller as like a human. You feel kind

510
00:32:08.900 --> 00:32:12.279
of the one immediate thing that I got afterwards was

511
00:32:12.339 --> 00:32:16.349
a feeling of, of kind of like, insecurity and lack

512
00:32:16.369 --> 00:32:18.950
not as myself but as human beings it made me

513
00:32:18.990 --> 00:32:21.839
feel like we kind of lost the way in in

514
00:32:22.130 --> 00:32:25.140
society that was my immediate thought like as I'm driving

515
00:32:25.259 --> 00:32:28.019
off I'm like wait we lost the plot on being

516
00:32:28.059 --> 00:32:30.539
human beings whatever we did that thing is doing it

517
00:32:30.619 --> 00:32:32.859
right and we're not doing it right that was the

518
00:32:33.019 --> 00:32:37.240
that was the vibe because I immediately was like wait

519
00:32:37.289 --> 00:32:39.730
so I'm going back to the world to like pay

520
00:32:39.789 --> 00:32:42.450
bills and and care about all this stuff that maybe

521
00:32:42.470 --> 00:32:46.839
I don't care about so much with society. And I

522
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:50.000
was never, I didn't have that feeling towards civilization or

523
00:32:50.019 --> 00:32:52.819
society as a whole. Like, I didn't have any negative

524
00:32:53.259 --> 00:32:56.539
feelings towards it. I just was like, that thing was

525
00:32:56.660 --> 00:32:59.339
so huge and so well put together and so in

526
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:03.859
its own element. And I myself am not in my

527
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:05.980
own element. So if you saw it walking down the street,

528
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:07.960
if you saw it in the zoo, you would feel

529
00:33:07.980 --> 00:33:10.470
like this thing has been trapped. You wouldn't think like,

530
00:33:10.569 --> 00:33:13.009
you don't look at elephants and tigers and lions. You

531
00:33:13.029 --> 00:33:16.109
might think, like pity them or feel sorry for them

532
00:33:16.170 --> 00:33:18.309
and be like, they probably would rather be on the

533
00:33:18.369 --> 00:33:20.990
Sierra or just, you know, chilling out. But if you

534
00:33:21.009 --> 00:33:25.529
saw this thing, you would be like, Oh, we trapped something.

535
00:33:25.589 --> 00:33:29.029
Like we like definitely trapped something. Like even if it

536
00:33:29.049 --> 00:33:31.049
was there for 50 years and everybody kept seeing it,

537
00:33:31.049 --> 00:33:33.599
it'd be like everybody going to see King Kong. Like

538
00:33:33.670 --> 00:33:37.460
it's definitely been trapped. It's not a, it's not a

539
00:33:37.539 --> 00:33:40.759
thing that can just sit inside of a, you know,

540
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:43.700
area that we all look at. That's, it's not going to,

541
00:33:43.779 --> 00:33:46.130
it doesn't work like that. It doesn't even look like that. Yeah.

542
00:33:46.430 --> 00:33:49.109
Donnie, I'm going to say once again, your viewpoint is

543
00:33:49.269 --> 00:33:53.210
very unique. It's, I love it though. I mean, the

544
00:33:53.250 --> 00:33:56.019
way that you're describing how it made you feel is

545
00:33:56.220 --> 00:34:00.240
a very, very unique and it's going to stick with

546
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:02.900
me for, for a long time. I have a few

547
00:34:03.140 --> 00:34:07.109
more questions about the facial features. details that you noticed

548
00:34:07.349 --> 00:34:11.349
the nosh or the nose the nostrils of it were

549
00:34:11.389 --> 00:34:15.309
they like gorillas or were they turned down uh like

550
00:34:15.349 --> 00:34:16.289
a human.

551
00:34:15.889 --> 00:34:20.489
It was more it was more i mean it was

552
00:34:20.510 --> 00:34:24.079
more flat facing like front like like that's why i

553
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:27.860
said camel because it definitely protruded outwards and then not

554
00:34:27.900 --> 00:34:30.880
like a gorilla when i had like large holes it

555
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:34.159
definitely had a nose but it didn't have like a nose,

556
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:37.719
like a gorilla's nose where it's like larger with the nostrils.

557
00:34:38.260 --> 00:34:40.260
It had more like a protruding nose. Like you would

558
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:44.690
think I'm like a dog, like, but not that far out, like,

559
00:34:44.909 --> 00:34:48.309
like more smushed in maybe like, like you might see

560
00:34:48.389 --> 00:34:50.510
on like, I don't want to say a pug cause

561
00:34:50.530 --> 00:34:53.679
that doesn't really match, but it's definitely farther into the face.

562
00:34:54.409 --> 00:35:00.510
than a dog. But it's not like gorilla nostrils, and

563
00:35:00.550 --> 00:35:04.230
it's definitely not human nostrils. It's covered in hair, so

564
00:35:04.250 --> 00:35:08.949
it doesn't look fleshy. At least that was my experience.

565
00:35:08.989 --> 00:35:11.769
There's not like a fleshy nose there. And the whole

566
00:35:11.829 --> 00:35:14.880
thing is kind of fur and covered up. It's not

567
00:35:14.929 --> 00:35:17.880
like that. The upper parts of the cheek towards the

568
00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:22.780
eyes is where the hair thins out. And just right

569
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:24.949
above that is when the hair starts getting puffy again.

570
00:35:25.489 --> 00:35:28.650
But around the nose is all hair too. It's not

571
00:35:28.710 --> 00:35:31.409
like fleshy. It's more just hairy.

572
00:35:32.090 --> 00:35:34.849
So there was, was there hair in like the upper

573
00:35:35.130 --> 00:35:36.329
lip area as well?

574
00:35:38.449 --> 00:35:41.070
Yeah. I mean that whole, that you could think of

575
00:35:41.130 --> 00:35:43.800
like a beard, but like the whole part of it

576
00:35:43.820 --> 00:35:47.199
was just all hair. Yeah. That whole area. But you

577
00:35:47.219 --> 00:35:51.280
could see, you could see lips. Like it definitely had lips.

578
00:35:51.940 --> 00:35:55.260
And I think those are probably harder to describe because

579
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:57.880
they were moving. They were making grimaces. They were making

580
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:04.409
different faces, like pretty active lips, like in the jaw area.

581
00:36:04.429 --> 00:36:07.710
It was moving around as it was like assessing its

582
00:36:08.809 --> 00:36:12.670
situation there. And the eye movements, the eyeballs were huge.

583
00:36:12.949 --> 00:36:18.869
I mean, freaking, if you're thinking about like... I don't know.

584
00:36:19.369 --> 00:36:22.940
If there's bones ever found, these are definitely giant bones.

585
00:36:23.260 --> 00:36:27.500
And there's got to be a massive cover-up if these

586
00:36:27.539 --> 00:36:30.920
are being found somewhere. But I don't know. I think

587
00:36:31.059 --> 00:36:34.289
it's very likely that they are aware of us. They

588
00:36:34.349 --> 00:36:37.309
are aware of humans. They know to stay away from us.

589
00:36:37.530 --> 00:36:41.420
And wherever they're burying their dead... It's probably somewhere that

590
00:36:41.460 --> 00:36:44.739
they are all that they that they keep well far

591
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:48.230
away from human beings. And they seem to be doing

592
00:36:48.309 --> 00:36:50.670
more than well than us. We seem to be the

593
00:36:50.829 --> 00:36:54.409
ones that are kind of like, you know, reactive and

594
00:36:54.889 --> 00:36:57.750
very just kind of not knowing what we're doing. It's

595
00:36:57.809 --> 00:37:00.070
very clear that they know what they're doing. That was

596
00:37:00.110 --> 00:37:02.469
the vibe. I mean, that was exactly what it looked like.

597
00:37:02.510 --> 00:37:04.340
That was the main thing that made me even just

598
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:08.500
insecure as a human being. This thing knew exactly what

599
00:37:08.539 --> 00:37:11.320
it was doing. It's not trying to market anything or

600
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:16.349
trying to have an idea about life or what is

601
00:37:16.429 --> 00:37:19.730
life or who am I or what's my purpose. It

602
00:37:19.769 --> 00:37:23.449
was completely in its purpose and completely was what it

603
00:37:23.489 --> 00:37:26.869
was and definitely not an animal. I would not describe

604
00:37:26.909 --> 00:37:29.280
it as animal-like at all. I mean, that's why when

605
00:37:29.300 --> 00:37:30.900
you said he's walking down the street or in a zoo,

606
00:37:31.300 --> 00:37:34.239
this is not a new animal. This is a thing

607
00:37:34.260 --> 00:37:37.739
that probably is more advanced than human beings. My guess

608
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:41.760
is that it's well, well beyond human beings, probably hundreds

609
00:37:41.820 --> 00:37:44.650
if not thousands of years more advanced than us because

610
00:37:44.849 --> 00:37:48.550
we are able to have a phone and talk and

611
00:37:48.570 --> 00:37:51.630
we have all this technology and different things. We seem

612
00:37:51.670 --> 00:37:56.349
to think that we're really well-advanced But the experience I

613
00:37:56.389 --> 00:37:59.250
had from looking at that was like, there's different types

614
00:37:59.289 --> 00:38:04.710
of advancements. There's advancements that come along with probably communities

615
00:38:05.409 --> 00:38:07.400
where if you have a community of let's say a

616
00:38:07.460 --> 00:38:11.940
hundred people, but you've kept it going for a thousand

617
00:38:11.980 --> 00:38:17.360
years and you have a purpose as that community throughout time,

618
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:23.070
that probably that whole, if I were just gathering from

619
00:38:23.090 --> 00:38:26.590
what I was looking at, I think that it's definitely

620
00:38:26.630 --> 00:38:31.690
a part of some type of colony of them that

621
00:38:31.750 --> 00:38:34.789
is so well put together for such a long period

622
00:38:34.829 --> 00:38:38.219
of time that they know exactly what they're doing and

623
00:38:38.260 --> 00:38:41.579
why they're here and their whole purpose in reality. And

624
00:38:41.619 --> 00:38:44.579
human beings are very, very lost on that. And that's

625
00:38:44.619 --> 00:38:46.739
why I would say they're more advanced. Not advanced like

626
00:38:46.820 --> 00:38:52.460
cell phones, but advanced maybe spiritually and spiritually. advanced in

627
00:38:52.500 --> 00:38:56.159
a way that we aren't able to yet comprehend. And

628
00:38:56.199 --> 00:38:58.800
that's probably why we're not able to just see them

629
00:38:58.860 --> 00:39:01.579
every day because it's not like an elephant. It's not

630
00:39:01.619 --> 00:39:03.679
like something you're just coming up on like an elk,

631
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:05.579
just from my perspective.

632
00:39:06.780 --> 00:39:09.800
The next question, some people take weird and I'll explain

633
00:39:09.860 --> 00:39:12.360
why I ask it if I need to, but I

634
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:13.940
think you'll get it. Do you mind if I ask,

635
00:39:14.219 --> 00:39:16.449
do you have any native American heritage at all?

636
00:39:18.900 --> 00:39:22.250
I do. I definitely don't think that weird. I mean,

637
00:39:22.349 --> 00:39:24.150
if you want to describe why you're asking it, I

638
00:39:24.150 --> 00:39:26.769
don't mind asking that first, but I'll tell you.

639
00:39:27.010 --> 00:39:30.210
It's more of a personal thing that I've noticed. from

640
00:39:30.250 --> 00:39:33.010
doing interviews all the time for the last few years

641
00:39:33.070 --> 00:39:35.400
that a lot of the witnesses I end up talking

642
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:40.079
to do end up having a Native American heritage of

643
00:39:40.139 --> 00:39:40.639
some sort.

644
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:44.159
Wow, that's profound. So I didn't actually even attach those

645
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:49.949
things together, but my great friend, Great-great-grandfather was a Cherokee chief.

646
00:39:50.210 --> 00:39:55.489
So on my dad's side, his father's grandmother was a

647
00:39:55.670 --> 00:40:00.909
Cherokee princess, and then her father was the chief. Wow.

648
00:40:01.619 --> 00:40:05.900
That is incredible. So that means your daughter, I would assume,

649
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:08.460
would also have related heritage.

650
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:13.739
Yes. Yes. Actually, she was the only other one in

651
00:40:13.780 --> 00:40:17.059
the corner that would have the related heritage. That would

652
00:40:17.099 --> 00:40:18.139
be cognizant enough.

653
00:40:18.300 --> 00:40:21.309
That's my next question. So the other people in the car,

654
00:40:21.329 --> 00:40:24.949
they didn't have any of that related heritage then?

655
00:40:25.130 --> 00:40:29.869
Yep. Okay. They were Italian. They're from Italian blood.

656
00:40:31.469 --> 00:40:34.679
Not to say that people with Italian heritage can't see Bigfoot.

657
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:39.039
I'm sure plenty have. That's a really interesting thing though,

658
00:40:39.500 --> 00:40:41.969
isn't it? That You know, the both of you had

659
00:40:41.989 --> 00:40:43.110
that heritage.

660
00:40:43.170 --> 00:40:43.530
Yeah.

661
00:40:43.670 --> 00:40:46.590
And you were the two that saw it. It's very,

662
00:40:46.730 --> 00:40:48.289
very interesting.

663
00:40:48.670 --> 00:40:51.269
I mean, that leads me more down the route of

664
00:40:51.289 --> 00:40:52.789
what I was saying earlier. I didn't want to go

665
00:40:52.829 --> 00:40:55.630
down this route too much to... you know, putting anybody's

666
00:40:55.670 --> 00:40:58.190
listeners out there that are really out there with tools

667
00:40:58.250 --> 00:41:02.230
trying to find it. But I definitely got from the

668
00:41:02.289 --> 00:41:05.829
experience that it was spiritual because I felt like the

669
00:41:05.889 --> 00:41:08.820
first thing I thought about is how humanity had spiritually

670
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:12.059
lost its way. And I don't usually just immediately think

671
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:14.760
about that when I'm like driving around a mountain and

672
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:18.150
see an elk. Usually I just appreciate what's going on

673
00:41:18.190 --> 00:41:21.030
and go, wow, that's beautiful. What a nice scenery. I

674
00:41:21.489 --> 00:41:26.530
don't immediately drive away from seeing something in nature and go, wow,

675
00:41:26.670 --> 00:41:31.659
humanity really has lost its way. So that was the

676
00:41:31.699 --> 00:41:35.519
immediate experience was like, this thing knows the way and

677
00:41:35.579 --> 00:41:39.280
has been living in the way this whole time. And

678
00:41:39.340 --> 00:41:43.579
we are not doing that. Wow.

679
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:47.530
That is incredible. There's another question I want to, to

680
00:41:47.710 --> 00:41:51.809
ask as well, if this, if this was your, you

681
00:41:51.869 --> 00:41:55.760
and your daughter's first experience with something paranormal related.

682
00:41:55.780 --> 00:42:03.300
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I don't really, I don't really have

683
00:42:03.619 --> 00:42:06.269
any other ones I want to share. I mean, I

684
00:42:06.309 --> 00:42:10.090
have personal experiences that are more, more paranormal, but that

685
00:42:10.130 --> 00:42:14.300
would be, I mean, because the thing is, people can

686
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:20.079
have experiences where they might think they've seen something, you know, ghosts, aliens,

687
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.989
whatever it is. I might be more open to sharing that.

688
00:42:23.329 --> 00:42:25.469
But the thing about that is, is all of those

689
00:42:25.530 --> 00:42:30.090
experiences that any of those people have, including myself, those

690
00:42:30.150 --> 00:42:32.570
are not the same as seeing this thing. Because this

691
00:42:32.610 --> 00:42:36.929
thing's a physical thing. Like, it's not a, like... it's

692
00:42:36.989 --> 00:42:39.610
not like, Whoa, what was that? I can't believe it.

693
00:42:39.670 --> 00:42:42.329
Did you see that? And it didn't really exist. And

694
00:42:42.369 --> 00:42:44.329
maybe it was kind of there like a ghosty thing

695
00:42:44.369 --> 00:42:47.980
or something. This is like a flesh and blood thing.

696
00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:52.820
Like it definitely has a body and like, whether it

697
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:56.659
has technology to go through portals or like dematerialize or

698
00:42:56.699 --> 00:42:59.480
whatever else. I mean, that's, that's funny to think about,

699
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:02.739
but maybe, maybe it does, but I think it's more like,

700
00:43:03.539 --> 00:43:05.760
more than that in that it definitely has a body.

701
00:43:05.980 --> 00:43:08.210
And that's it. That was the one thing that about

702
00:43:08.230 --> 00:43:10.409
it that was really interesting too, is it did not

703
00:43:10.469 --> 00:43:14.469
seem paranormal. It did not seem like, like, like a

704
00:43:14.510 --> 00:43:18.380
kind of like fighting where you're like, Whoa, I can't

705
00:43:18.409 --> 00:43:22.179
believe what I saw is more like, what was that?

706
00:43:22.860 --> 00:43:23.360
Like that.

707
00:43:24.900 --> 00:43:27.940
Hmm. And I asked that question, which the yes or

708
00:43:28.019 --> 00:43:30.980
no as an answer is perfectly fine. But I asked

709
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:33.579
that because it's something I've noticed over years is that

710
00:43:34.579 --> 00:43:39.969
usually if I dig a little bit, the person who's

711
00:43:40.010 --> 00:43:43.389
had the sighting also has had, they tend to have

712
00:43:43.409 --> 00:43:48.750
other paranormal type experiences, like maybe you know, ghosts or

713
00:43:48.869 --> 00:43:52.539
aliens or, you know, there's a whole list of about

714
00:43:52.659 --> 00:43:55.960
six to eight that could be there. So more question

715
00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:59.280
for me, but yes or no by itself is perfectly

716
00:43:59.340 --> 00:44:00.300
fine with that one.

717
00:44:00.860 --> 00:44:03.079
Yeah, no, I wouldn't mind sharing it. I just don't

718
00:44:03.099 --> 00:44:04.300
want to go on down a segue.

719
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:04.940
No problem.

720
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:06.559
That doesn't have anything. I mean, not to say it

721
00:44:06.579 --> 00:44:08.719
doesn't have anything to do with it, but I would

722
00:44:08.739 --> 00:44:13.550
just say this from my experiences in regards to anything

723
00:44:13.650 --> 00:44:18.190
paranormal is that I think from my life experiences, including

724
00:44:18.530 --> 00:44:22.750
seeing Sasquatch and seeing this being, I mean, we call

725
00:44:22.789 --> 00:44:24.750
it Bigfoot or Sasquatch, but I think it probably has

726
00:44:24.809 --> 00:44:27.289
its own name. It probably has its own name and

727
00:44:27.309 --> 00:44:29.769
we're just calling it that. And it's almost like just

728
00:44:29.829 --> 00:44:33.260
a decrypt. It's not really what it is. And I

729
00:44:33.300 --> 00:44:35.900
think that that's the more important aspect of all of

730
00:44:35.940 --> 00:44:39.409
this is that whatever it is, And my experience in

731
00:44:39.449 --> 00:44:42.960
life is not what we are termed as because what

732
00:44:43.019 --> 00:44:45.440
we're trying to do is we're trying to create a

733
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:50.929
dialectical or like a language box for these things. And

734
00:44:51.050 --> 00:44:54.050
so I would say from my other experiences in life

735
00:44:54.130 --> 00:44:57.769
that we are not in a very, we're not in a,

736
00:44:57.909 --> 00:44:59.619
how do you want to call it? in a very

737
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:02.780
materialistic world. Like I would have thought when I was younger,

738
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:06.360
we're not somewhere that is very, everything looks cut and

739
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:08.880
dry when you're at the store or you're driving around,

740
00:45:08.980 --> 00:45:11.840
like everything looks like it's supposed to be like the

741
00:45:11.889 --> 00:45:14.949
way that it is. But all of that information that's

742
00:45:15.010 --> 00:45:17.449
coming into our minds and into our brains that we're

743
00:45:17.489 --> 00:45:21.489
interpreted interpreting is from the perception of our previous experience

744
00:45:21.610 --> 00:45:23.630
all the way down to being a baby. So if

745
00:45:23.670 --> 00:45:26.599
there are things out there that don't match the things

746
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:28.980
from our daily life, they could be in our peripheral.

747
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:31.579
They could be in our experience right in our backyard.

748
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:34.650
But you're not going to probably see it or experience

749
00:45:34.750 --> 00:45:39.960
it unless you're in a specific environment. probably state of mind,

750
00:45:40.019 --> 00:45:42.519
which is open to that. If you're not open to

751
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:46.199
it and you're thinking, I already know everything, everything about

752
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:48.710
the world is already makes sense to me. And everybody has,

753
00:45:48.929 --> 00:45:51.190
has conveyed it to me and I'm educated enough to

754
00:45:51.289 --> 00:45:55.690
know everything. Then when you have that experience and you're

755
00:45:55.769 --> 00:45:58.159
in the car and you see the same thing, you're

756
00:45:58.179 --> 00:46:00.219
going to be like, I don't know what that was. Hmm.

757
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:03.519
That's cool. And you'll just move on with life. That's

758
00:46:03.539 --> 00:46:05.730
what I think is happening. I think that's probably why

759
00:46:05.750 --> 00:46:08.690
you don't have it cataloged and you don't have anyone

760
00:46:08.730 --> 00:46:11.030
out there doing it, because it probably is connected to

761
00:46:11.070 --> 00:46:14.510
something more spiritual, which requires people to be a little

762
00:46:14.530 --> 00:46:18.380
more open to experiencing something different outside of their perception.

763
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:20.579
So I would say when it comes to paranormal things,

764
00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:24.969
at least in my experience, I now know that for sure,

765
00:46:24.989 --> 00:46:27.880
a hundred percent that it's not a, a believing thing.

766
00:46:28.070 --> 00:46:30.179
It's definitely a knowing thing. And once you get to

767
00:46:30.219 --> 00:46:32.699
the point of knowing, there's no, there's no going back.

768
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:34.460
It's not like you go back and go, Oh, I

769
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:38.260
guess I was wrong. I guess my, my senses were

770
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:41.900
a little off. You never go back to that. You go, Oh,

771
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.510
this is definitely something. And I was not aware of

772
00:46:44.550 --> 00:46:47.650
it before. Cool. Yeah.

773
00:46:47.789 --> 00:46:50.380
And, It definitely, from the people I've talked to, it

774
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:54.550
definitely changes them. And you're right, there's a no going

775
00:46:54.590 --> 00:46:58.750
back thing after that, no matter what people say around you.

776
00:46:59.429 --> 00:47:04.210
What would you say to people maybe listening that have

777
00:47:04.230 --> 00:47:07.789
a desire to see one of these creatures, but they

778
00:47:07.829 --> 00:47:08.309
haven't yet?

779
00:47:12.349 --> 00:47:14.510
I don't think that you can just go have it.

780
00:47:15.050 --> 00:47:16.940
I wasn't going out there to just go have it.

781
00:47:17.619 --> 00:47:20.260
I think that the reason why you could search forever

782
00:47:20.320 --> 00:47:22.690
and not find it is because it probably has something

783
00:47:22.750 --> 00:47:25.610
more to do with a human being and what they're

784
00:47:25.630 --> 00:47:30.590
going through and what their experience is. Like what I

785
00:47:30.610 --> 00:47:32.489
was going through in that part of my life and

786
00:47:32.530 --> 00:47:38.179
what I was experiencing. Another fascinating thing that had occurred

787
00:47:38.219 --> 00:47:41.420
is I had bruised my rib. I'd been playing with

788
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:43.039
my daughter and she jumped on my rib and it

789
00:47:43.099 --> 00:47:45.719
bruised my left rib. And so at the time, I

790
00:47:45.739 --> 00:47:48.880
was very a lot of pain from that. Like I'd

791
00:47:48.940 --> 00:47:52.349
sat in the hot tub overnight and, you know, got it.

792
00:47:52.500 --> 00:47:54.469
They got it feeling a little better. But I was

793
00:47:54.510 --> 00:47:56.809
in a lot of pain at that time. And so

794
00:47:56.909 --> 00:47:59.690
when I saw that, I forgot all about the pain.

795
00:47:59.929 --> 00:48:01.909
I didn't even feel it. I didn't even think about it.

796
00:48:02.010 --> 00:48:04.090
Going back to the memory, I can't believe that I

797
00:48:04.590 --> 00:48:08.239
wasn't even focused on that discomfort. And maybe it's adrenaline

798
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:11.639
or something, but I would guess that if someone wanted

799
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:14.920
to see something like that, they might want to have,

800
00:48:15.739 --> 00:48:18.019
they might want to be in a more, what do

801
00:48:18.059 --> 00:48:21.199
you want to call it? Maybe a downward spiral or

802
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:24.719
negative experience in life in the sense that they might

803
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:29.769
be looking for something outside of themselves to, to experience.

804
00:48:30.469 --> 00:48:33.289
So instead of like going out to find some type of,

805
00:48:33.670 --> 00:48:35.969
you know, beast in the forest or some kind of

806
00:48:36.050 --> 00:48:38.059
like being and we're going to find we're going to

807
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:41.639
find Bigfoot. If you go at it with something along

808
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:45.360
the lines of, wow, my life has gotten to a

809
00:48:45.420 --> 00:48:48.940
point where it's kind of painful. And I'm in I'm

810
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:51.570
in a lot of I'm in a in a in

811
00:48:51.590 --> 00:48:54.730
a more negative state. Let me go out to the forest.

812
00:48:55.929 --> 00:49:00.130
and see if I can maybe have a different experience

813
00:49:00.210 --> 00:49:03.030
or have something that feels a little different. I would

814
00:49:03.070 --> 00:49:05.500
say that it probably is more likely that someone's going

815
00:49:05.539 --> 00:49:08.719
to have the experience of seeing something like that in

816
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:12.940
a state of mind where they might be in discomfort

817
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:15.650
or maybe a little out of their element than somebody

818
00:49:15.710 --> 00:49:19.909
that is like excited to find something. Someone excited to

819
00:49:19.969 --> 00:49:23.110
find something is might even see something and pass it

820
00:49:23.210 --> 00:49:26.110
off as just normal. But someone in a state of

821
00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:29.340
more discomfort, like even my daughter in the car, she

822
00:49:29.380 --> 00:49:31.739
didn't want, she was tired of the trip. She did

823
00:49:31.780 --> 00:49:33.980
not want the trip to go on anymore. She already

824
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:36.860
wanted to be home. So I was in a state

825
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:39.039
of discomfort too. I wanted to be home. I didn't

826
00:49:39.059 --> 00:49:41.139
want to be out in the forest. I don't think

827
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:43.500
that it's going to come from that because I do

828
00:49:43.539 --> 00:49:46.639
think it's probably connected to consciousness. And I think that

829
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:51.139
if your consciousness is in a state of discomfort and

830
00:49:51.579 --> 00:49:55.750
in a state of... That's why also I think there's

831
00:49:55.769 --> 00:49:58.329
probably been a lot more sightings than have ever been

832
00:49:58.510 --> 00:50:02.829
reported because I would gather that maybe people have done

833
00:50:02.909 --> 00:50:06.670
camping solo activities or maybe with their friends not going

834
00:50:06.710 --> 00:50:09.809
to see anything, but getting away from circumstances in their

835
00:50:09.829 --> 00:50:12.329
lives or maybe getting a break from their life a

836
00:50:12.369 --> 00:50:15.250
little bit. And then they see something profound like that,

837
00:50:15.329 --> 00:50:17.909
and they just don't say anything. I haven't said anything

838
00:50:18.369 --> 00:50:21.150
really to maybe one or two people in four years,

839
00:50:21.190 --> 00:50:23.119
and this is a four-year anniversary, and I'm talking to you,

840
00:50:23.150 --> 00:50:27.070
which is beautiful. But I don't go around telling people

841
00:50:27.110 --> 00:50:30.039
about it because it's not something that– it doesn't feel

842
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:35.329
like– it doesn't feel like– It feels so profound that

843
00:50:35.530 --> 00:50:37.809
there is a different way of looking at the world

844
00:50:37.909 --> 00:50:40.780
that it almost feels like you're grandstanding on other people

845
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:42.730
if you try and go around telling them about it.

846
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:47.489
It's almost like, oh, you had this experience. Oh, cool.

847
00:50:47.590 --> 00:50:50.059
You know, like you're so much better than other people.

848
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:54.480
That's where it eventually gets, at least that's the feeling

849
00:50:54.539 --> 00:50:57.460
I get when you share it. It's more like, you know, like, whoa,

850
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:00.480
you're crazy. That's crazy. Or that's wild. Or maybe someone's

851
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:03.300
into it. But the rest are just like, oh, look

852
00:51:03.340 --> 00:51:06.519
at these people that think that they're so, so important

853
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:09.340
that they've supposedly seen something that no one else has

854
00:51:09.409 --> 00:51:13.050
ever seen, that no researcher has found. It's just, it

855
00:51:13.090 --> 00:51:16.500
gives off an air of arrogance. which is so ironic

856
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:22.420
after seeing the amount of arrogance and whatever that experience was.

857
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:26.260
And looking at it, I would say arrogance isn't even

858
00:51:26.280 --> 00:51:28.449
a term that you could call it because it looked–

859
00:51:28.650 --> 00:51:32.110
people want to make assumptions about it, at least in

860
00:51:32.130 --> 00:51:35.280
pop culture, that I see that don't even match it.

861
00:51:35.829 --> 00:51:39.989
When I'm saying arrogance and egotistical, I mean– beyond your

862
00:51:40.070 --> 00:51:43.210
even imagination of having life figured out. That was it.

863
00:51:43.349 --> 00:51:47.070
Like it looked like thriving. If you see somebody, maybe

864
00:51:47.090 --> 00:51:50.000
you've met somebody. I've met a few people that have

865
00:51:50.059 --> 00:51:52.639
themselves so well put together in their life. So good.

866
00:51:52.820 --> 00:51:55.760
So well put together in themselves that they barely have

867
00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:59.400
any negative emotion or negative experiences. That's what it looked like.

868
00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:05.340
This thing lives in complete positive bliss and perfection and

869
00:52:06.050 --> 00:52:08.440
While we're out here, like struggling and trying to figure

870
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:11.260
out what we're doing. So to me, I think if

871
00:52:11.300 --> 00:52:13.280
you're struggling and trying to figure out what you're doing

872
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:15.420
and you go in the forest, maybe to get away

873
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:19.280
for a minute, maybe Washington state, maybe near a mountain

874
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:23.219
or at least near some mountain ridges, my guess, probably

875
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:23.800
more likely.

876
00:52:23.820 --> 00:52:28.449
I would definitely agree with you from what I've heard.

877
00:52:28.510 --> 00:52:32.849
You're pretty much done. dead on with that assumption. Would

878
00:52:32.889 --> 00:52:35.610
you ever want to see one again yourself?

879
00:52:35.889 --> 00:52:38.909
I think under a different context, under the context of

880
00:52:39.030 --> 00:52:44.039
actually knowing what they are and what they're doing and

881
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.760
what their whole thing is. Like if they were to,

882
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:48.980
if we were to find out that they had an

883
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:54.300
underground city or base or something, or they've lived here

884
00:52:54.340 --> 00:52:56.639
all along and they have knowledge to impart and wisdom

885
00:52:56.659 --> 00:53:00.980
to share, something like that, I wouldn't like to see

886
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:04.900
one in the context of it being probably caught and

887
00:53:05.179 --> 00:53:08.099
kept in some kind of room or some kind of

888
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:10.780
facility to try and test it. I think that that

889
00:53:10.820 --> 00:53:13.900
would be really ignorant. But that's just me because from

890
00:53:13.940 --> 00:53:16.820
what I saw, this thing knew what it was doing

891
00:53:17.099 --> 00:53:21.099
in the world and we don't. So from my perspective,

892
00:53:21.659 --> 00:53:24.690
I feel like we would be the ignorant ones in

893
00:53:24.730 --> 00:53:27.130
that case trying to figure out what's going on. I

894
00:53:27.170 --> 00:53:31.250
think it's a lot more likely that Maybe when human

895
00:53:31.349 --> 00:53:36.750
beings are ready, they'll contact us. My guess, just a guess,

896
00:53:37.210 --> 00:53:42.570
maybe all of these large blocks and architecture throughout history

897
00:53:42.630 --> 00:53:47.489
that human beings supposedly built, maybe not so much. I'm

898
00:53:47.510 --> 00:53:50.050
not saying for sure it was that, but it's definitely

899
00:53:50.550 --> 00:53:53.300
probably related to that thing more than it's related to

900
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:56.679
us doing all that architecture.

901
00:53:58.380 --> 00:54:03.190
It's a definite interesting hypothesis and something of that size

902
00:54:03.269 --> 00:54:06.849
could probably pick one of those up for sure. It's

903
00:54:06.869 --> 00:54:08.690
got a lot of power.

904
00:54:10.650 --> 00:54:13.250
Yes, I would definitely, I mean, that's something we didn't

905
00:54:13.289 --> 00:54:15.239
talk about, but I would say that this thing could

906
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:19.489
probably lift 10,000 pounds easy, but it can lift a

907
00:54:19.510 --> 00:54:21.440
car and it would have no problem lifting a car

908
00:54:22.019 --> 00:54:25.440
or a truck. And I don't think anyone would probably

909
00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:28.139
catch it. If you really were trying to catch this thing, um,

910
00:54:29.110 --> 00:54:33.440
I mean, you'd have to have a small military or something.

911
00:54:33.460 --> 00:54:36.079
I don't think you're going to catch it. I think

912
00:54:36.139 --> 00:54:42.019
that you could probably have... I'm trying to think. I mean,

913
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:44.610
just to even get the idea of getting out there

914
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:47.909
and getting it. If there's just one or something and

915
00:54:47.929 --> 00:54:50.150
we're trying to figure it out. I mean, it is

916
00:54:50.630 --> 00:54:56.260
so huge. It could just... over cars and have no

917
00:54:56.820 --> 00:55:00.159
no it would be like butter i'm trying to think

918
00:55:00.179 --> 00:55:02.039
of how large something would have to be for it

919
00:55:02.059 --> 00:55:05.260
to be a problem probably like a semi trailer might

920
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:07.559
have a little bit of trouble moving a semi around

921
00:55:08.139 --> 00:55:09.000
or probably not.

922
00:55:08.900 --> 00:55:16.139
Much that's that's a very very interesting Way to put it.

923
00:55:16.139 --> 00:55:18.860
It definitely makes sense. Donnie, I just want to thank

924
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:21.559
you for spending some time with me tonight. This has

925
00:55:21.579 --> 00:55:25.400
been an incredibly detailed account, and I'm so glad that

926
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:27.920
we were able to make this happen. Thank you so

927
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:29.659
much for coming on the show tonight.

928
00:55:32.650 --> 00:55:34.889
Glad to be here. I appreciate you for allowing me

929
00:55:34.909 --> 00:55:36.829
to share it, especially on the four year.

930
00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:41.469
Cool yeah it's it's it's very cool if there's anything

931
00:55:41.610 --> 00:55:44.050
else that if you ever need any help with anything

932
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regarding this in the future feel free to please.

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Reach out oh yeah definitely thanks for having me on.

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A special thank you to mr donnie wesson for coming

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on the show if you've had a bigfoot encounter of

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your own i would love to hear from you you

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can send me an email with your encounter at bigfootsociety

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at gmail.com. I've come out with a free report about

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the top 10 Bigfoot hotspots. You can go over to bit.ly

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forward slash BFS report. I'm Jeremiah Byron. Thanks for listening

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to Bigfoot Society, and I'll see you

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In the woods.