7-FOOT BLUE-EYED SASQUATCH COMMUNICATES WITH HUNTER NEAR DRAKE MOUNTAIN, MASSACHUSETTS | ARCHIVES

0:00 And he may put it both his hands up to his mouth like the megaphone thing that you would do, like yelling, and he makes these three whoop noises. Nobody's ever seen them do that, nobody, you know, it was unbelievable. You might as well just go down to the zoo and stand next to the lion cage and let one of them roar. It was equal. It was equal to that, But he made three whoop noises in between each one. It was a second and a half. You're listening to Big Flat Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

0:49 These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. To stay with us. The privilege of talking to Ernie Davio. He's an individual from out in the New England area, and he's got an interesting encounter that he had happened to him and he'll be sharing that today. But Ernie, it's a privilege to finally get to talk to you. And how are you doing today, sir. I'm doing pretty good. It's privileges speak with you today. With my past history on hunting, I've hunted pretty much all my life up until this point here. An Air Force veteran, I hold not just one black belt, but I hold four separate black belts and four different styles, and that that will come into play down the line here when you know, I've done quite a few of these podcasts and people always ask me, They go, why didn't you run? You know, and I'll get into that fight or flight thing here. But this actually happened in the state of Massage. Shoot. This up near Blamford Drake Mountain actually between Blamford and Granville, and it borders Connecticut within a couple of miles. I had hunted as many many times the area that I chose to hunt. I

2:20 usually hunted by myself in that area also, and I chose it because it was pretty steep in history and a lot of people were I don't want to stay afraid, but we'll just say really hesitant to go in there. And it didn't bother me. I had no I really, I don't want to say didn't believe in Bigfoot, because I seen the Patty film many years ago, many many years ago, even prior to that, when I was a young kid, and I just figured, well, that's probably just one of them in you know, by now there's no more, and that's how way far away from me. So but boy, it would be pretty cool to see one. So that was a long time before this had actually happened. And so I would push off, And people do this when you're out there hiking or whatever. You pretty much push off anything. It's not obvious. It's human done by humans, you know. And because there's a lot of things that animals in the woods do not do. These beings, I like that word, beings do do things. Some are very subtle and some are not so subtle. But I had planned my hunt in that area for that particular morning.

3:43 It was the last week of a shotgun season. Actually, it was like the last day or two of shotgun season in the state of Massachusetts, which is I believe the first week of December. My plan to get in there was to come up from the Grandville Cobble Mountain Reservoir side of Drake Mountain and gain access to the top of the mountain from there. The mountain is actually on two sides. It has apple orchards and the other sides obviously have the have the reservoirs and a lot of woods, a lot of ravines, gorges, everything else. It'll get you lost or hurt if you're not watching now.

4:33 But I had figured out that the weather patterns for that day were going to be fairly nice, low temperatures and the wind would be blowing in my favor if I entered that area from the Grandville Reservoir access road, which I did, and I had already scouted that area out, and I had figured out that the deer going to be vetted down and what I used to like to call like a stonehenge there. They're the Massachusetts Hilltown Hikers Association has hiking trails up through there now and they were nice enough to actually post a video of that actual route that I took up in through there, and those rocks are one of them, I think forty p call it's called Lookout Rock or a ladder rock or something like that. I don't I don't recall ever seeing them that those names before anywhere. But at the bottom of the mountain there was a big boulder there that I used for a marker, and that that boulder we never knew who painted it, but it was it would have the three faces of three different Indians on that boulder.

5:49 As you approached it from the side, from the right side, it would be one, then as you've got in front of it, be another, and as you got by it be another. And right after that there was an old fire road in there and it gained access to the top of the mountain. Later on I learned that that actually was called part of Unclemit's Path that goes all the way up into Pittsfield and up into the areas that you're familiar with that you kind of grew up in and everything, and went across the Russell Mountains Montgomery Mountains all the way up and through there. But I learned that later on after my encounter, because that was my thing is I never went and studied and looked at looked or anything that really had too much to do with Sasquatch. It was all about me, Why did this happen to me, and you'll you'll hear in the story that generally your your account, your encounter is only about maybe between five and eleven seconds long, and that's pretty much it. And had that happened to me, I would have been probably like the hero down local bar.

7:00 I could have gone down and got a couple of drinks. But it didn't go that way, Okay, so I basically had to shut up for a very long time. But anyways, as I got onto the access road to go by the Grandville Reservoir, and I just passed by my my my cutoff point here at the I call it Indian Rock, and took my left up. I knew, I knew from scouting area the deer were going to be bedded down up near these boulders. And as I got closer to those boulders, it was it was kind of crispy out, just a little bit this a little little tiny bit of frost out there, and I could see my breath, and sure enough, as I got closer to them boulders, I jumped the deer. And anybody who haunts knows what deer sound like, we call it jumping up. They just top right up to their feet and maybe stomped their foot or their feet or whatever, and then they start to take off a little bit, and that's what I heard.

7:59 I knew it was probably three or four deer anyways, and they proceeded to travel be traveling in the same direction that I was headed, across the top of the mountain to the other side where the apple orchards were. So my objective knowing the area was to just let him simmer down for a minute or two because they couldn't identify me, and then try to get out in front of them to set up an ambush point as they came through. That's what I was hoping for. So what I did was I started doing what I like to call a true step, rather than walk like a bipedal, like a man would walk or a woman would walk, you know, I walked tow heel, so it sounded more like a poor legged animal. Whenever I felt that they might hear me, and I tried my best not to be heard. So any place, there's a lot of shale on that pathway there, and a lot of rock out crops, I want to say, so you really kind of have to watch your putting a little bit there so I was using that method, and I had them now on my right hand side. I couldn't see them because of the ridge line, but I could definitely hear them, you know, in hindsight, I could hear something on the other side of them, too, but I passed it off to being

9:30 possibly another deer, you know, driving along with them. Some hunters will say, you know, deer don't push dear. That's not true. I've seen them do it. I've actually seen doe push a buck, drive a buck in a certain direction, actually rate up by me. But in this case here, that's what I figured it was. And probably from those boulders to where I was hoping to get to was probably maybe two to three hundred yards, i'd say, But you've got to operate really slow, and that path will go straight down towards that apple orchard straight ahead, but then it curves to the right, right where I wanted to set up my hand, which it does a dog leg, and they're in between the dog leg there there's a stone wall, okay, and there's a set of pines that would be on my side if they were going to come through there. That's where I wanted to be, and that's where the brook kind of came out of the mountain right there. So I proceeded to watch my wind direction move slowly, be as quiet as I could. I got out there. I managed to get out there. I was really kind of proud of myself doing something like that.

10:53 And I could hear them coming through these small saplings towards that stone wall. So I had set up my my ambush point right there. I had a twelve gage shotgun semi auto on me, and I crouched down a little bit and had my shotgun point to rate towards that stone walk. I knew they were going to come over that stone wall, and those those saplings, most of them were beach nuts, so it made a lot of sense that they were going to come in there. They're going to probably simmer down a little bit, and then they were going to come over that stone wall, and i'd have my harvest. Well. I heard them come in, and of course approaching that little cut off point right there, I made sure that I looked around and there wasn't anything in the vicinity. I didn't want to scare anything else that was there. Have them gear running back in the same direction they originally came from. And it wasn't anything there. I didn't see anything there. So now I'm set up facing that stone wall, and to my left on my nine o'clock about thirty five yards from me, I noticed movement at the base of a tree. Now I'm I'm thinking to myself, well, you know, really, what can that be? And I look at it and I thought it could have been a deer. So I got my twelve gage point at that I'm waiting for to move and get up a little bit, because a lot of some people frown on shooting a deer regardless while

12:23 it's laying down or sleeping. And it just started getting up a little bit more. But during this whole time period here, this is just the beginning of it, I'm trying to remain cognizant of those deer on the other side of the stone wall. Now this so called deer started scrunching up to the tree more, and now I'm getting the impression that it is not a deer. It's a heavy bodied animal and it's more than likely a bear. You'll hear this a lot of times from people. They'll say, you know, they'll question somebody like myself and say, how can you mistake it for a bear. Really, as you go out of the woods, you might mistake a log for a bear or a deer or a rather or even a squirrel or whatever. It's very easy to be done.

13:13 You know. You've got to be able to put something in that peg in a hole. You can't just kickling when you're carrying a weapon. You can't just assume that this is what it is and agree with yourself. You have to be looking for those cues. Well, it scrunched up to that tree quite a bit, and I'm thinking to myself, if it's a bear, I've got my shotguns back on it, because if it's a bear, I don't have a bear permit, and if it bum rushes me, I'm going to have to take action on it, you know. So then I see it getting really close to the tree, and this is my nine o'clock. Now, okay, And at that point it's kind of like up a little bit higher, but it's really close to that tree. And now I can make out this is the silhouette of a guy.

14:03 That's what it is. It's a silhouette of a guy. So this is this is another hunter in here, and I'm going he must have been sleeping on the ground and I didn't notice him. And now he hears them deer coming through, because now you can hear them deer coming through pretty good. They're moving around in there, and he starts to stand up someone because I'm put my shotgun back on that area where the deer are. I'm confident that it's pretty much another hunter. But at the same time, I don't want to get shot because I know he's Massachusetts. He's got to have a shotgun on him. He probably bloated with buckshot instead of slugs. And if them deer come over that stone wall, the distance between him, and if they come in between him and I and he doesn't know I'm there, I'm gonna get shot. So I figure I'm going to move up, maybe, you know, just just a foot or two, just so that he can catch me as peripheral as something does try to come in between us and he's I'd say he's like three quarters of away standing, about three quarters are away standing, and all heck broke loose on the other side of that stone wall. I mean I could hear limbs, not just branches. I could hear limbs snap, and I can hear boulders clanging against each other. And at that point I'm looking back at him see reaction, and he's fully standing there with his head on the other side of the tree, facing away from me. And it's at that point right there, I'm saying to myself, this is absolutely

15:35 the biggest man I've ever seen in my life. I said, this is an unbelievable I said, I've got to I've got to take a marker on the tree. I've got to find a twig, I got to find a branch. I got to find something in the tree so that I can measure it if everything turns out okay. Later on, and I actually seen a piece of moss on that tree, good side piece of moss, So I put that in my memory bank, that piece of moss and this, this, this, that, this little ruckus on the other side of the stonewall was going on, and I'm trying to maintain between the two of them there because I'm still not so sure.

16:22 I mean, I don't know anybody. It would be like right off, right off the bat well, that's a that's a sasquatch or whatever. I'm still kind of on the line, the borderline now ready to fall off that fence that this This is absolutely the largest man I've ever seen in my life. And I've seen some big guys, you know. I hacked my you know, six ft eight. You look at people around six foot eight. You know, we'll get some of these basketball players, you know. But he was huge. And that's when he he had his right hand on the tree and he had his right leg on my side of the tree. He put that right leg out and he leaned out on my side of the tree, and he looked directly over that stone wall. Well, when he did that, he caught me in his peripheral. That is just what I planned if there was another hunter.

17:15 And when he caught me in his periphal, he looked over at me, looked back across at that stone wall, and then snapped his head right back at me like he like like he like he like he couldn't believe what he was seeing because I was not hidden. I was pretty much in the open. He just couldn't believe that I was standing there. And that's where if you everybody listening remembers when I said, that would have been great. I could have I could have gone to the local bar, got myself a beer, and said, I seen uh sasquatch. I knew instantly, instantly when it looked at me what it was beyond a shadow of a doubt at thirty five thirty six yards, i'd be on the shadow of a doubt. I would have got myself a beer. But no, Well, he had to do something else. He took a full step around that tree, bringing his left leg around and facing me directly, and he put both hands up in in front of him, between the chest and the waist, elbows in, elbows touching his sides. I will say because his arms weren't straight out, his arm were not straight up above his head. They're in between chest and waist, and his elbows were worked in towards his torso, and his palms were facing me, and his fingers were together, his four pointer fingers were together, pointing straight up in the air, and he pumped them twice. I got my

18:50 twelve gage right on him. I don't know what's going to happen. I'm just thinking to myself, you know, I mean, what do you think to yourself? You know, I'm like this thing bum rushes me. I'm I'm in trouble, and I I'm thinking also about them deer on the other side of the stone wall. Believer or not. I'm just saying to myself, there's I think there's more than one. I think there's more than one. I wasn't understanding some things like that, but I'm thinking there was. He proceeds to give me tholves that hand signal there, and he takes a step towards me, and he's he's walking gingerly.

19:31 I had lowered my shotgun because that's the hand signal he gave me, you know, and it's disturbing. It should be disturbing to some people. He knew how to approach me. He took his right hand, made a fist with his pointer finger sticking out, and he pointed directly to my chest. And he pointed directly to his chest. And again, I'm taking this stuff in and I'm like, you know, unbelievable. I mean, figure it out yourself, folks, who are you gonna tell this to? So he takes he's still kind of walking towards me. I got my twelve gage now slung over my shoulder, hanging off my shoulder, and he puts his hands out again as like the first time, except he puts his palms down towards the ground, and he's looking directly at me, directly at me, and he's closing different distance. He's he's pretty much about i'd say, more than halfway to me, and then he turns his palms up. Yeah. I took it to mean that they didn't have me food. He was looking for food. You know,

21:02 I do have interpretations of the hand signals that he did to me. I call him he because he didn't have memories, all right. I check him out because, let's face it, you know, he's kind of checking me out. I'm checking him out. I didn't want him to get the wrong impression or anything like that. So as he does that, I'm I'm I'm thinking that there's going to be a point here where I'm going to have to make some kind of hand signals back to him, because this is at that level. At that time, it was at that level. I had checked my before I slung my shotgun. I just want to throw it in there is I had check there's a compass on my on that shotgun, not that it really works. It was a hand me down from my great uncle, but there was a compass on air. I was trying to get in as much information as I possibly could. I let my breath out so I could see which way the wind was actually blowing that that morning, I could see my breath.

22:20 I would I would. I also looked at my watch. I can't tell you the exact time today, but I can tell you it was about ten or eleven minutes after the hour that this happened that I looked at my watch. At that point, like I said, he he kept walking towards me, and now he was extremely close, and he gave me another another hand signal, and that one was he pointed over my left should, pointed over my right shoulder. And at that point there I figured that that's probably it's going to be my turn to try to do something back, you know, like I said, I have. I had no knowledge of the forest people or these beings or anything before this zero on them.

23:26 I didn't. I didn't know what they could do, or what they understood or anything. But this one obviously appeared to understand quite a bit. And things have changed for me now I understand a lot more about them. But I parlayed back to him, Yes, indeed, we're what I deemed to be equal, because he pointed to me first you know what I'm saying. And then he planted himself. So I deemed that that was an important gesture right there, that that's cool where brothers were equal. Then I took my hand and I put my palms the same position as his and pointed him down to the ground. I had no food. I did not ask him for food.

24:10 I just said I did not have any food, and then I pointed over his shoulders. At that point, I'd say that he was probably five yards from me, and I can see the color of his eyes, I could see the wrinkles on his face. I could see absolutely of the length of his hair on his arms, how much hair he had before and after the knuckles, Which is kind of hilarious to me because I've been doing this publicly now for a couple of years, and it's just hilarious how people just you know, you're looking at him at fifty yards and trust me, while getting to this, you can't tell where the hair startups or stops or heads or anything. So at this point, pretty much he's close enough to me. And this is another thing that this does really bring a question in my mind, why did he do this next thing? Why? I just nobody has an explanation, and everybody wants to say this or that, but I'll tell you what he did. It was close enough to me, and at that point I was standing pretty much right next to him. I was below his

25:45 shoulder he was. I was a little bit above his bicep, but below his shoulder. Like I said, I could see the hair. At first I thought that hair was black, but the sun was hitting it a little bit. I just see the length of it. It was dark, dark, dark dark dark brown, dark dark dark brown. Skin tone pretty much the same thing. You would say it was ash colored, even maybe even black. Okay, some people would say black. Some people would say ash colored, or they'll say like black. That's another thing of it. When I listened to people, it's like what is like an apple pie? There is no such thing as you cannot describe something by saying, well, it's light yellow or whatever. You've got to come closer to that when you're describing something for an artist or anything. But he held his hand out down between the two of us, Tom up and I looked at his palm. I have no idea, absolutely no idea why he did this. Some people say he was asking me for his gun. Believe me. He didn't need a gun. Okay, he didn't need a weapon of any sorts.

26:59 I do not believe that was it. And when you hear this, you'll probably agree with this. At that point, when he was reaching his hand up for me to look at his palm and showing me his palm, I was dropping my hand to my side arm. I carried a sidearm on me and my right hand had the grip on my handgun was just touching my palm. I was just starting to get a purchase on it. He didn't like that, he tapped his palm. He wanted me to look at his palm, so I stopped doing that because I was watching his eyes. I'm a trained fighter.

27:41 I was watching his shoulders, his body movement, and that kind of scared me when he did when he did that. But now I'm all in, I'm looking at his palm, and I'm gonna tell everybody right now, Okay, their hands are like our hands. There's no doubt about it. Absolutely. You know, if you hear somebody else that was just close with me, I'm pretty one hundred and twent sure they're going to tell you the same thing. But if they seen the palm, which I have never seen, never heard of anybody. This is what I seen. They had the same mark He had the same markings on his hands on his palm that we have in our palms, the same markings except for a lifeline. There was no life lying there. And I'm thinking, was that the reason why he tapped his hand, that he was adamant about this whole situation. I don't know why, why would he do that? Yeah, it was pretty much at that point there.

28:47 I looked at him and he nodded his head at me, like bowed his head almost at me, a specter or something, because I think maybe they had something to do with the double take he did out of me, like how did you get this far? How did you get right here? And he looked over that stone wall, and that's where I was really able to measure myself on his body height, you know. Next next thing where I stood on him, and he may put both his hands up to his mouth like like the megaphone thing that you would do, like yelling, and he makes these three whoof noises. Nobody's ever seen him do that, nobody, you know, it was unbelievable.

29:32 He might as well just go down to the zoo and stand next to the lion cage and let one of them roar. It was equal, it was equal to that. But he made three whoof noises, and in between each one it was a second and a half. And people are gonna say, well, how do you know that. I'm pretty good with that. I'm pretty good at counting rounds being shot off, and I play a little bit of music myself, so it's all about keeping beat. But it's about a second and half in between each wolf noise, looks right back at me, nods his head, looks back over the stone wall, and he whistles. And I've heard that whistle before. That is the whistle that myself and my hunting party growing up. That has sounded just like a human whistle, just like a human whistle, and it was like a come on, was so like a that kind of a whistle. And he motioned with his right hand by swinging his arm to whomever was on the other side of as a stone wall that he wanted them to go in the direction where basically he originally came from. But it looks further out, okay, Obviously he could see whatever it was on the other side of the stone wall. He knew they were already there. He was taller than me as we could see, but he knew they were already there. And he gave that hand signal, looked back at me one last time, and he didn't

31:03 run off. He didn't speed walk off or anything like that. He just kind of smoothly just walked away from me and went past that tree where he where I originally seen him to equal out probably another to an about the fifty five sixty yard mark. I'd say, right in there between him and I at that point when he got to his standstill out there and he wasn't there maybe I don't know. I'll say I'll say four seconds.

31:46 And I heard this freight train coming through them saplings on the other side of that stone wall, headed towards Drake Brook. They had to cross that dog leg, and I knew that, and I knew that this was not a deer, that this was something very big, much larger than a bear, and it was booking. It was just slaughtering trees as it went through. It didn't care and it was like probably going through them trees like a parkour master, like just grabbing things and move it out. When I seen him him flash over that that brook, or this one here, I should say, flash over the path, the uncle of its path, that dog legs back down, then over the brook. That's when it was more clear.

32:35 And this thing was I'm talking fast. This thing could outrun a deer, absolutely no problem. This thing was was heels and elbows. Well, we got over to the other one and they're kind of standing forty five angled towards me, with the big one, the dark one on the left hand side, and this one here was smaller, not that much smaller, but smaller. And I'll tell you how big that one, how how I'm guessed I had to guestimate that one eric but that one was like a cinnamon colored. And this is when I heard them do this stupid chattering, murmuring thing that I didn't know what it was until sometime much after that that I heard the Sierra sounds.

33:22 That's what I witnessed. And it pointed I don't know if it was true the other one out or what it was doing, but it pointed directly towards me and that little old one. He looked at me, and he looked at big one. He did a double take on me also, and I'm like, well, I kind of got rated out there, but you know that could be what's going on, Like, you know, they're trying to pull me away from obviously the kill that they got with the deer, and he'd made a hand signal to that one to do a like a semi shirt. Look, he tells me to go around behind that person over there, but he pointed towards his chest, like you go out and around that way, and then he pointed to his own chest with his right hand and point of ringer again, and I'm gonna go this way to the left. So one swung left, one swung right, And I'm just a little bit concerned that for some unknown reason they're gonna thank me, maybe to watch me so I don't take their dear kill or whatever. But I knew, I knew that I had to because I was in awe. Quite truthfully, I was in awe and I had to sort of unfreeze myself from up from that state there because I needed as much information as I possibly could, like this wasn't enough, and I wanted to go over and measure up on the tree, which I did. I walked over to the tree,

34:57 and no, I didn't get on the ground. People asked that question. Did you on the ground and look for tracts? Nah, you don't see. You don't see anything coming at you when you're on the ground. Okay, you've got to be standing up if you want to see something plowing through the woods coming straight at you like it means business. But I found my mark on the tree, the little piece of moss, and I took today. I'm a butcher, so I can make some type of measurements. But I stood next to the tree, measured myself off with my hand on the tree, took a half a step back so I could leave my hand on the tree, and I measured up from my hand with my other hand, and I come up with seven foot eight inches tall.

35:39 And I guess to me that this being which had blue eyes. By the way, for everybody listening, I think maybe there's only two more accounts that are out there, or three of them that are, you know, blue eyed, But they had blue eyes. And I figured it somewhere's north of five hundred pounds in excellent shape. And when I say excellent shape, i'm I'm sure that if it wanted to, it could have just picked me up and used me as a spear, and I'm six foot three and probably at that time I weighed two hundred pounds anyway, as I was younger back then in better shape, but I figured I weighed like two hundred, two hundred and nine pounds somewhere's around there. But I could guarantee you that this thing could easily grab, grab, you know, even grab like the Hulk, you know, the wrestler the Hulk, and just throw him completely out of a ring. These things are just super super big. That's that's pretty much it here? Am I again? Where who was I going to actually tell this? Who was going to listen to something like this? Right?

37:06 It's an incredible one. What kind of facial emotions did it have while it was making all those hand gestures towards you? That's an excellent question. That's a really excellent question. And nobody has ever asked that question before. And this has been out there for about four years now. Just so your listeners can understand this, how long it took me to come forward with this. If you can picture a teacher in first grade, will say even in second grade, if they're good at their job, when they're teaching something, they look at their student, like they're looking for that flash, like that light to go on. That's what it was like.

37:48 It was looking. It was looking at me from the beginning like hold on a second here, you know, until it started doing all the hand gusters. It was very it was it was a peaceful encounter. It was it's called it like a teaching moment in a way. It wanted me to know its intentions, and it did that very well. That's the way that it looked at me. I don't know if that is a good example or not, but when you look at a kid and you kind of like you're waiting for that life to go on, like do you understand? And then when the life goes on you could you continue from there? Wow?

38:29 That so it was definitely trying to It was hoping that you maybe would get what it was trying to convey through the hand motions. I would take away from that is what you saw. Would you Are you able to put it in a in a category of of more something that was more human or more ape or was it its own special that sort of thing. That's great. Yeah, we have a lot of things that happened to to us when we have a trauma or anything like that. It's called uncanny valley, right, And it's crazy when you when you hear people, uh, you know, they're they're adamant, they're they're very sure themselves on something like this. But keep in mind, you're looking at time, you're looking at distance, you're looking at light and conditions, you're looking at uncanny valley things like that, and then you're looking at the description that people might say, well, it's nose was like ape like, so now we've got that whole thing maybe programmed into our head's ape looking now, I can tell you right now is what I was looking at is if you looked up kind of like a solo man, which hardly anybody's ever heard of. But if you look up like a solo man, it's like a cross between a cave man, a Neanderthal, a Native American because of the cheekbones and stuff, and an African American with the skin tone in the nose that it

40:02 was kind of flattened out just a little bit, just a little bit, you know. So it was like stepping through and I had a chance. I actually was able to speak with this gentleman. His name is Chief Earnest, and I won't get into the whole story of how I got to speak with him, but this is what we were talking about. And he said that I walked in two worlds, I walked through the veil or whatever. I never understood any of that. But if we were to if we were to accept, just for a moment in our minds, that it was possible to do anything like that. And that's the question that he asked me.

40:46 Did I notice anything around me that was different, or the color tones or anything like that. This was like, this thing looked like it belonged in a museum. That's all I can tell people. And it looks like it belonged in the museum. It was It was like if you if you knew something was missing, how would how but you didn't know what it was? How could you say it was missing? So we we have we have the missing link? How do you know that? How do you know there's not more closer related to us? This thing quite obviously looked more way more human, way more human than ape, the hands, everything about it, way more human than an ape. I don't know if that that explains it well enough for you, But.

41:44 Yeah, I'm looking at it's really weird because I'm looking at a picture like a it's probably a museum exhibit of what solo man is. And it's wild how the face I'm looking at fits a lot of the encounter descriptions that I've taken from over the years. It's nuts, dude. Yeah, And people and people people throw these things out because of their bias a lot of times that they don't remember. That's why I stuck around for so long, because I've always felt that I had some pertinent information that I hear a lot of people say, what would you do if you came across when you're walking down the trail. You're actually out looking for him, You're walking down the trail and you've seen one, and they said, well, I would you know, poop my pants or whatever. I'd turn a run away. How about the next The next thing is communication. Just remember this, this didn't really know what I really and knew what I was, but it wasn't sure because it did that double take on me.

42:48 It was coming over to check me out too. So when we when we think of it that way, there our next step should be communication. Now, this didn't this didn't know if I knew us Sasquatch language or force people language or samurai chatter. This wasn't. I don't wouldn't think that it was. I'm not thinking that it ever used mind talk with me. It was using sign language. They trade, They traded with Native Americans. What kind of sign language. It was pretty pretty easy, pretty primitive to be something that I would be probably teaching a child, you know, no no, no no with my finger or whatever, you know, or give it here or whatever, things like that.

43:36 But yet they people throw out that will throw that description out when I say, if I say Neanderthal, you can throw solo man in there. You know, it's not the Anerthal, but it still is Neanerthal, but it's not you know, and it's as pretty pretty close as much as you can possibly get. The skin tone was that's what everybody actually puts in there. Also the skin tone on top of it. And the nose you know, in the in the in the brow ridge. You know, the hair. The hair length varies a little bit, but the hair lens is going to vary with distance, in time and how much light you actually have. It's out there, because I can tell you right now that when that other one met up with the big one there, when the cinemic colored one. I couldn't really make out facial features on it. Okay, even though I've been all through this already, I have not. I could not really make out facial features on that one. At fifty five sixty yards out, I couldn't do that, nor could I make out where the hair actually started and stopped. But when it was standing next to me, it's it's skin blended in so well with its hair that exactly where you have hair, like on the backs of your hand, It's exactly in the same position as theirs, except except that it's longer. Okay, So you take like ashy colored skin, it's dark dark

45:08 dark dark brown, or whatever you want to say that it is. I'm a hair colored blind and you had you had six inches to that hair on there, and and it is hair, then you're gonna you're going to see that boy. You you really can't tell at a good distance how much hair it actually has on his face or its its whole body. You know, that's how well that it blends in. I say this too, as I've heard other encounters. I've got some friends, and that's how this is basically how we met that I had encounters it was clean. This thing didn't stink, it was clean.

45:49 Its hands were clean, like it had gone down to the down to the reservoir and taken a bath. And I've heard encounters were people have actually seen one with a juvenile in like a creek or whatever, actually like playing around bathing. Why wouldn't they You know, some animals do get in the water. They might not be bathing, but you know they get in the water. Why wouldn't he get in the water too. I think they know the difference. This is smart enough to actually try to communicate with me. Then quite obviously we're underestimating them quite a bit, you know when people say, you know, jeez, you know, do you I've heard all kinds of ideas on how many are out in the woods and this and that. I've also seen handprints where it's actually grabbed the side of a hillside where they the people did the handprint of casting, say well it has short thumbs, not like ours. Well it grab something. You didn't get a complete casting of that. You know, there's still a lot of things out there about these beings. I think personally they have something to give to us. It's very spiritual, you know, Native Americans have talked about this that in the final days they refer to uh and being as big Brother will come again, dance around the sacred fire

47:22 one more time before like the final battle. Are you for real, dude, for real? Yeah, I've never heard that. Wow? Really well? Yeah, And that's why, that's why the the opening into that sacred space at pow Wow is always facing in the same direction no matter where you go in the world, that he will he will come again. And for me from what I what I've learned through people like Ron moorehead people, I won't go totally into it. And he talks about the quantum physics and everything. And then we just had somebody who's passed over. Gosh, I Henry Fransis, Yes, sir, Yeah, he talks, he talks about it. And I've been in this I've been Yeah, I've been in this position now for thirty eight years. And I just came out a couple of years ago to talk about it because I have a message together and for people to throw it away, it's like, stop your banging on the trees. It's foolishness.

48:33 They want nothing to do with us because we are warlike, we cannot be trusted but once you once you they trust you, then they trust you and then they have something to give you. And it would probably be something that you just take to your grade with you because nobody's ever going to believe it. Okay, I believe strongly. It's a very spiritual, rual thing. Now. Chiep Ernest told me, and this is a little bothersome that they have always known me. They have always been around me. And I assure you when I think pat back in my past in a childhood. Yeah, even though I was unaware, I am aware of a lot of things today. And they said they have always protected me from what. That's what I want to know. Yeah, from what? Yeah, there can only be one thing I could guess exactly. Yep.

49:37 So wow, Yeah, that's that's incredible. It's just it is really interesting because I've done this show for more than a few years and I have noticed a there's a big trend in the last especially half a year, where the people I've been talking to, almost all of them, have brought up some form of there was a communication started communicating to me. I started to get some form of mind speaking, and it's like these these people I talked to are from all different sorts of life parts of the US, and it's just it's a very very interesting, uh commonality that's starting to come out through all the different people that I talked to. So I'm not sure what's we make of it.

50:31 Well, I can tell you there's a lot of things that go on. And I don't want to say community or anything like that. You know, we don't want to put things in people's heads. But I've been pushing this very strongly, very strongly for four years now, and people are becoming more aware of a simple hand guster like crossing the road, maybe drop your end and put your put your palm towards the car. It's done that. So now people are actually thinking back on their encounters, you know before they weren't four years ago. We go back in our archives, we find people saying they're ten they're twelve feet tall, or fifteen feet tall, or even twenty five feet tall. Right, you know, what did you measure them on? You know? That was my main concern is I needed to take in as much information as I possibly could. Now you're actually hearing people saying they're seven and a half feet tall. Well, okay, okay, but I'm sure you probably have heard my story. Okay, some of these people, and how did you measure that? What did you measure it on? And how did you measure that item in itself? Sabyla Irwin is the one who who I did a show with and she did all she did all the artwork in that show. It's called Sasquatching's the sign language, and it was beautifully done. It took her months and months, two to three times a week

52:03 of her and I speaking back and forth, and she was just flown away by the blue eyes because how do you describe that? But now today I can describe that. I can tell you look at a husky, the husky blue, the husky blue, it's like unmistakable, you know. So anyways, you have these, you have all kinds of people who pick up little things, and now they're becoming more aware of that. Of course, we do have the hoaxers out there, the fakers, the people who want to who want to be the probe in the local bike club. Okay, and they just want to because they don't never belong to anything else. And that's okay, that's fine. You know, to go out there and camp and to give you a huge idea of what it is out there with the groups and everything that they all walked around in the woods, but not a single one of them that I know of, actually carries a survival bed, a go bag, a knapsack, not on one of them. And I just seen a guy fall down a hill fifty feet and tumble down.

53:08 He had his he had his cam quarter thing on his head and everything. And I won't say where he's located or anything like that, but I felt bad because he made a joke out of it, and they posted it on one of the forums. And it's like, buddy, you know you're supposed to you want, you want people to be following you around or whatever, but man, if you had broken your spine or your arm or your leg, you're dead man, because you have no way to take care of yourself out there in the woods. And these are essential things that if you're going to go out there and you're gonna prompt prance around the woods, know what you're doing. For God's sake, know what you're doing, and keep in mind these things are just as intelligent as I'm implying, plus more. And do you really think that they really want to be having you as their buddy?

54:08 You're you're not trustworthy. But to go back on the Native American prophecy, yeah, Chief Earnest told me that, and that blew my mind. So I really got really heavy into prophecies also, you know, and that one there was. So what what what tribe is Chief Earness from? Specifically me, I'm Iroquois. Oh gotcha? Okay, got it? Yeah, okay, your Chief Earnest? No, no, okay, well what about sorry?

54:50 Oh oh, Chief Earnest is the great great great grandson. He's still living, I believe, I want to say, sitting ball. Okay, wow, yes, sir, he's the tribal leader for I think three or four nations right now. Oh wow. And when I met him, yeah, yeah, when I met him, he was ashal I want to say, he was late seventies. So it was a privilege to meet him. And then him and I we got to dance around the sacred fire because it was right before the ceremonies with the combat veterans and everything. So we went out there and I got to dance around the sacred fire with Chief Earnest. You know, he knew about him.

55:36 My ancestors definitely knew about him. You know, when I go back in my history and I think about areas that we hunted and things that I was told by our hunting party that they knew, but they didn't want to tell us about it. And I think it was probably all a matter of trust, you know, they had an agreement, because I do remember a situation where we were My great uncle came back with my father and said we were asked to leave, you know, and I was like, geez, you know, and it's because we had found these Derek Wood tracks and everything. But I was a young guy. I was young, I should say a young boy I was. I think I was maybe nine years old and I was prancing around the woods for a twelve gage going deer hunting with everybody. So it's something you learned early on on how to track and everything.

56:31 But indeed they are definitely that that intelligent plus more. You know. Morgan Freeman. There's a movie that Morgan Freeman did and it deals in I think the awareness a lady gets injected with a drug. I don't know if you're familiar with it, and it has to do with the levels of awareness and like a dog is like a four an adult, like okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and a human is like what an eleven or a nine, and a dolphin is above us. And there's something that very something, very special that happens after like level twenty. Okay, if you've seen the movies, then you know what I'm alluding to here. And you got to take a look at it and say, well, what if? I mean? It's either that or when people say their house is haunted and you got orbs in your house, and why couldn't you have orbs in the woods from all the Native Americans and colonists and everybody else was passed away in the woods or even the forest people. What if? You know?

57:44 But then again, back when I started this four four plus years ago, four plus short years ago, everybody believed strongly they did not eat meat. They believed strongly they did not get in trees. Okay, I assure you that they do. And if they didn't, if they didn't eat meat, and they could poof themselves in and out of a portal, then it had no need to run away from me or move away from me, or you know, it could have taken it. It could it could just take a dear through a portal or whatever. And ghosts don't need to eat meat.

58:27 True, Yeah, you know, no, that's true. Yeah, you're not gonna have You're not going to eat meat if your ghosts usually Uh, it's man, I just have this over the last few months. I just have. This this theory thought that I can't shake. It's just weird. It's like, what if being around or in close proximity to whatever these individuals are, what if it affects us as a human and unlock something, even something that's old or innate and allows us to be able to And I sound I'm going to say, I sound crazy for saying this, but its just it feels like I'm thinking of all the things I've talked to people about, all the different encounters. There seems to be different commonalities that come out. It's almost like people are able to do things or hear things or interpret things after they have like those interactions. It is weird stuff.

59:30 Man. I don't know if I if I said it was true, would you think I was crazy? I don't know, not anymore, you think and Ron Morhana doesn't want to say it either, nor did anybody else. I can, I can. I can tell you that yes, and we don't. Some people don't want to talk about it, particularly close up when it was that close, you know, because you can imagine I could have got a drink off or just spot in it, and they had to do all those other things. Can you imagine if I continue on with the story. Yeah right, it's way beyond that.

1:00:16 So now who's going to listen to me? Tell them that your next step should be communication. People are going to go, no, this ain't just this just cannot be if your mind can't wrap on it. Yep, mm hmm. There's something that they have, there's something they can do. It's long forgotten. There's something on a spiritual level, highly spiritual, and it's a gift. And yes, yeah, no, it's it's it's something I'm working through and it's I don't know, I I think, I think you're I think it's that there's other people that have definitely uncovered that before, and definitely Ron Moorehead is one of them, and I need to dig more into his stuff.

1:00:57 Yep. But God knows, I've got cart under. Oh yeah, true, yep, yep. And and there's a funny thing about that too, because he was on the same path as me. And one thing that I did notice that a lot of people don't know that the Cherokee language has a lot of letters from the Hebrew alphabet in it. It has a lot of words from the Hebrew language. It also contains some Japanese words. And that's what I picked up on when I very first heard the seeer sounds. Not every word, when I heard this out in the out in the woods that that morning, that's what I was hearing. It was just uncanny. It was just this chatter that you know, is just weird. But being in the area that I am in now, Ohio, the Ohio Valley, Yeah, the great, the Great Inland Sea, where the three Sons of Ham came.

1:01:58 I've done a lot of reading and I try to tell you right now that this is in a way, it's kind of biblical, you know, in a way. And what if, what if? What if what we're fighting is a I'm just prolling out there for you, Jeremiah. What if what we're going to be fighting, or what we're fighting right now is a spiritual war, and these things beings spiritual as they are, maybe that's what they are alluding to. A spiritual battle every day exactly. Yeah, there's no question about that, dude. So on. On your level and other people's levels. I'm just saying for them, because the spiritual aspect of this rate here is the man that's doing the research in the area where I had my encounter is he broke off with three of the other guys that he was with, you know, sent them packing, and that was like two years ago or whatever, and he started doing it in a different way. Okay, they communicate with you, and they can communicate with you in several ways, but they are just super spiritual and I think they have something for us that they would like us to learn, you know, it would like us to learn. Hmm. Maybe beneficial to us.

1:03:29 That's for another discussion. But I think I might know that. I think I might have in mind the individual you're talking about. We'll talk about it afterwards. You mentioned off off air, and I don't know if you want to get into this, but you mentioned you were also able to interview multiple other people that have had encounters in the same area as DN you had, where their encounters similar to yours. Or there's one man that I cannot find this guy, but I know I know the story, uh uh. I know that it's true. It was probably within i'd say a quarter a mile from where I was, under the identical circumstances that he swore. I don't know if he's still living or not, that he swore up and down that what he's seen try to use sign language while he was Boham and it took a deer great in that same area. Yep, yeah, and then yep. And then the father of the people of the woman I spoke with his daughter on that apple orchard. He used to travel from his house the back roads all the way up to Bradley International Airport, and he got right at the base of the mountain right there between Coble Mountain and Granville or Coble Mountain in the Granville Reservoir. And

1:05:04 he's seen it come down the side of that mountain across the road, right directly in front of him, you know. And in his description given it, even though it was second handing him to his daughter, was the same description. Wow, pretty much the same description. And then I've got several that are pretty much the same. I've got one that there was I think three or four. They are grown up adults now kids on the opposite side of that mountain that's seen the group of them several times on the opposite side of that mountain. And then there's another one that I know that he was a hunting partner with my brother Bryan, and he he told me the story of him seeing I believe it was four of them, a male appeared to be a male, a female, and two siblings or two adolescents behind them walking the fence line an old uh called bar wire bench bench line pretty much in pretty much in the same area. I'd say that was probably half a mile from where I was.

1:06:20 And then there's a bunch of other things that have happened there. But you know absolutely you know? And does the does the government know about them? Yeah, they sure do. Yeah, absolutely, I know for a fact. You know, And I'll tell you, okay, because you can't just say things like that the people. Yeah, a coble reservoir. They blocked the whole thing off. And you're not supposed to be in there. You're never you're never were supposed to be in there fishing. There's two cemeteries in there. One day when they leave on the map, one you might still be able to find, but one they took up the map for obvious reasons. When I tell you what it was. It was called I believe it was Warfield Cemetery, and it was a black community during the underground railroad that that made a little kind of little town in there, Okay, So they tried to hide it so they can still get money off the federal government by making another uh cemetery, because they swore that they would never uh tear that down. But you were not allowed in there in that area of fishing or anything. And when I had my store, I knew of a couple of friends that I had that went in there fishing, and actually, uh a helicopter came down and got them guys out of there, took them out of there, you know, right off the ice their ice fishing or along the shore line, you know, got them on there. But me thinking I'm you know, okay, I'm ex military. You're not. You're gonna have a You're gonna

1:07:51 have a tough time finding me in here, you know, little that I realized that what was about to happen. When I went fishing in there with my my that I grew up with. As we got in there, we had all set we had set up that I made a little lean to on the side of this ridge line, and we had just pulled back almost the lean to and I heard a helicopter coming, so we got way back inside it lean to. It was really dark in there because I was underneath a bunch of pines and everything. The helicopter came right down pretty much rate in from of this new rate where we were. There's only one way they could have known that there's ground sensors and these things were spotted in here. I also have I Winness Accouncil then being spotted in there, which is really not far half a mile from where I had my encounter or so, so if they knew I was in there with the ground sensors, then you knew anything was in here. You would have known if it was a deer, if it was a bear or a moose or whatever.

1:08:45 You knew where we were, so therefore you know those things are there most definitely. Wow, that's extremely interesting. This is a part of Massachusetts that I didn't really have my eyes on. Like I've talked of people from October Mountain and Bear Mountain up by Great Barrington, like that area is pretty wild, but like I never would have thought this area over by. I mean it's not really close, but like you know, Westfield, Springfield, but it's so so interesting. It's really hard some of the terrain in there. You know, people say, well, why don't we why can't we find a Sasquatch body? Well, you know what, you ain't going to find out where they bury cheap shikura either up in New Hampshire. Okay. And when you look at it like that is why can't you find these? Well, I can give you two examples. One one would be like an analogy that they go where you don't want. You can't go, you don't want to go, you're afraid to go.

1:09:44 You're not built to go into those areas. That's where they go, and they stay and they'll venture out from there. Now, there's a gentleman from Mississippi. I believe it might be Arkansas, but anyways, his name's Earl and his grandfather he had his first encounter. Earl did on the farm and his grandfather used to feed them watermelons and stuff. You know, it's kind of like a Mary Green type thing. And long story short, you know, I know his encounter quite well, and he's got on a show to give it before. But what had happened was his grandfather had passed away, and this was just a few years back. So Earl decided he's going to go to the farm, you know, and stay at the farm you know, and you know, see it one last time and maybe sell the property. Whatever.

1:10:38 So he gets up in the morning and this is going to be in relation to the why you can't find the body. And he gets up in the morning and he goes out on the back porch and there's two watermelons out there on the back porch. So Earl was like a little bit freaked about it. He said, I got to go to my my grandfather's grave. So he goes to his grandfather his grave, okay, with tombstone, and what do you think he finds around the tombstone. He finds these briers that are like braided okay, like a tumbleweed around around the tombstone. And inside the ring he finds some apples and pears in a piece of watermelon. WHOA, they're not they're they're gonna put their their their their relatives where You ain't gonna find it. You ain't gonna want to find it. You even if you think you found it, you ain't gonna want to dig it up in a bunch of briers.

1:11:35 Oh man, that is wild. Wow. Yep. So these are all things that there are no coincidences. These are things that just present themselves ever since I've had my encounter they I I can't get into all the stamp, but that they have a way of presenting themselves and I know them to be true. Absolutely. Oh man. This has been a really extremely interesting conversation Ernie, and I'm just I'm thankful that you came in. I think we had a really really eye opening conversations, especially for listeners.

1:12:19 I do want to make sure that we share that you have an interesting side project going on as well. Right, yes, yes, I have one that that we I felt that it was necessary to try to push to people to take that next step on communication. And this is on a site that's called It's all one word New England encounters dot it'sy dot com and it's under the heading of Sasquatch uses sign language and this is pretty much most of the artwork is from the artwork as Sibylla did on the sign language that this being used with me, so you can see it firsthand and perhaps even where it to communicate with the public. What these things can actually do to take a stand with me, and you can have any of those sign language things put on anything you want. You just send us a message, We'll put it on anything, because they don't carry a whole lot, you know, and I don't really do the AI thing or anything like that, but some of it might be on there, but you'll know when you see it. Anyways.

1:13:39 But I just want to get maybe people educated on this end to make a bit of a stand with me and say our next Our next step is communication, and it's going to be with the use of sign language because at fifty yards you're not going to yell to them, but at fifty yards you can definitely tell it that you're its friend or whatever it all. But that's very cool, Yeah, and I'll have I have that link in the show notes or the description, so people can definitely go and check that out. But Ernie, thank you so much for coming on the show. Has been a real privilege to talk to you tonight.

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