Aug. 30, 2025

From Denali To Prince of Wales: Alaska Sasquatch

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Season 1

What happens when an Alaskan medevac pilot takes a jet boat deep into the backcountry — and finds himself surrounded on all sides by owl calls that may not have been owls at all? In this chilling and eye-opening episode, we sit down with Craig, a longtime Fairbanks resident and pilot, who has spent decades listening to native Alaskans, nurses, ferry workers, and even fellow pilots share their raw encounters with Sasquatch. From owl-imitations along the Teklanika River, to jet pilots spotting “dark figures in the middle of nowhere” over Prince of Wales Island, to aggressive howls, glowing eyes, and vanishing presences across Alaska’s wilderness, Craig reveals what happens when you simply ask the question most people are afraid to. You’ll hear stories spanning Ketchikan, Dillingham, Bethel, the Denali Highway, Mount St. Helens, and even Fort Lewis — with whispered connections to portals, spirit worlds, and government secrets. This episode isn’t just about sightings — it’s about the violent, otherworldly edge of Sasquatch that few dare to discuss.

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's story is from a pilot, a man who's flown

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metavac jets across every corner of Alaska. But it wasn't

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in the cockpit where things turned strange. It was when

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he was alone on a river, his boat tied off

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the night still, when the owls began to call, one

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by one from every corner of the dark. And in

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the stories he's gathered from nurses, ferry workers, and native villagers,

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the pattern is the same. Alaska's Sasquatch isn't just watching,

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its closing in. So this is the story of Craig,

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the pilot who asked the question that no one else

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dares to stay with us. All right, Big Fat Society,

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You've got the privilege of talking to Craig today. Craig

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is an individual got connected too. And what Craig does

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is he flies a lear jet for a metavac company

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up there in Alaska, and he has a lot of

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really interesting connections with native people up there from all

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over the state about Sasquatch or harry Man, and he's

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had some things happen himself. So welcome to the show today, Craig,

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how are you doing, sir?

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Oh? Thanks man, I'm doing great. Beautiful day, another beautiful

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day of beer.

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Fantastic, fantastic. I don't get to talk to a lot

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of people from Alaska, but it's always great when I do.

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You guys have some really cool stuff going on up there,

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so you know, feel free to take us back to

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when you first started getting involved with this big foot

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stuff up there.

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Well started probably meaning back on the forum back in

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the middle seventies. You know, when the sun goes down,

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he gets dark, and I'd be out there in some

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field trying to back the tractor up to wagon. Then

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you start thinking, hey, is there anything to this big

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foot thing? You know? I was always scared of that

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when I was a kid driving a tractor out on

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the forum. It's good of what started. And then I

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lived here for quite a while. I've never really thought

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too much about it. Then one day I got one,

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if there's any thing through that up here? And then

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I started going down that rabbit hole, Holy cow. And

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then by not being afraid to ask questions, I can't

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go probably just every few days and run and not

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run across somebody who doesn't have a big foot story.

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You just got to be not afraid to ask, you know.

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And then then wow, everywhere everywhere you go, somebody's got

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a big foot story. And I'm thinking, hmm, now, have

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I actually ran across one or have I seen one? No,

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but I did have something kind of interesting happened to

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me one time. I didn't know about it at the time,

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but afterwards it's made me think. And I don't know

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if you want to hear about that or not. Absolute

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I took my jip boat from Fairbanks and I trailed

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it down to Nana and I got on the Neiana

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River and then I headed up the Techlanika River. And

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it's hiding out or camping out there along this property

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is look at it by him. And we always hear

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about the stories about how big footish and squats are

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really good at imitating different sounds. You know. Well, I

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didn't know about it at the time, but you always

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hear about the stories about how they imitate owls. Well,

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I'm sitting there in the boat. It's got full of

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vinyl campy on it, and I'm tight off and it's

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just one of those picture perfect moments, you know, life

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and listening to the river flew by, and I hear

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this owl start hooting off the left corner of the boat.

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We're corner them. Oh that's cool. And it wasn't too long,

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just a few minutes. Then I hear owl hooting off

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the right corner of the boat, not very far away.

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I was like, well, that's cool, and then I hear

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another one hooting off the front of the boat. Now

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I got an owl hooting on all corners of the boat,

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and I didn't know about it at the time, but

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now afterwards, I asked, what does this mean anything? Is

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it possible have three hours shooting off of each corner

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of the boat. I don't know, It's just that's one

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question I asked people. That was kind of the most

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ironic thing that I've had happen, and I've had family

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members have other things go on.

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When you hear the owls, it's such a weird thing

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because you know, first, I guess I got some questions

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for you. So did they sound like a normal owl

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or were they different in what you would usually hear

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from an owl out there?

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Well, for memory, I don't know that they sounded too

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much different. I think that the first one definitely sounded

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like an owl. And I don't remember thinking, wow, that

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sounds really like a strange owl, because I didn't know

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about this at that time, you know, so I can't

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really say all that, you know, the first one was

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good and the other two were definitely weird or sounded incorrectly,

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I can't say that. So, but then I don't call

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anything at that time being abnormal about.

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It, okay? And did it sound like the same size

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of an owl? Sometimes people will report like it sounded

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kind of big, which is a little strange.

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Yeah, I don't remember anything like. I just I don't

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remember anything being really abnormal. But I just think it's

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strange now that I hear about it, about these stories

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and of all the owl stories that you hear about,

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and I think that's really weird. Strangest things have happened

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to myself.

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Right right, you know, being in the community of pilots

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up there. Actually, before we get into that, can you

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explain what it means that being a metavac pilot, what

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does that entail?

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Well, there's we have turbo props and we have jets. Yeah,

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and the turbo props go out to the shorter gravel

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strips and pick somebody up and these we uh you know,

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the beach graft can here for that, and then they'll

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go to gravel Strip to take them someplace, okay, and

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then we go with allergic to another airport, maybe like

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we have an ambulance, and maybe they'll run into an

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airport hospital or to the hospital and pick them up,

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bring them to the airport, and then we'll take off

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and fly them. Neither do Ancreage or Seattle. Usually that's

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our two destinations. Okay. So it's just transporting people around

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the state to need medical tear.

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Okay, gotcha. So you are not the guy that's in

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the turboprop going out into the bush, but you're the

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guy who's doing the last leg of the journey.

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Yeah, not today anyway. You know things can change, right,

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but yeah, no Reasonally we just take off the leergit

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and go some places. Look from Fairbanks for thirty years,

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and for thirty years I've been flying out of the

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airport in Fairbanks and all things have kind of changed

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a little bit and been flying mostly at it Am

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I going to Anchora, hep Out or Juno mostly or

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maybe once in a while kitchen can.

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Does it ever come up when you're talking with your

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your pilot buddies and maybe you know the ones that

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are going out into the bush with turbo props. If

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you ever get to talk to any of those, they

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ever share you with you any stories about like, yeah,

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I was, I was flying over this area and I

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did see something weird down there. I'm not quite sure

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what I saw.

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Oh yeah, one of the pilots I work with within

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this company down in kitchkn has told me that he's

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out there flying over the Prince of Wales and looks

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down and see this called dark thing dressed in black

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and out in.

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The middle of nowhere and no gun, no rifle or

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no backpack. You know. So yeah, he's not gonna say

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what it is, but we all kind of know. I

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feel like we all know what it really was, you know, here,

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especially in the Southeast. The Southeast is so many stories.

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Can I give an example?

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Oh yeah, I would love to hear some things you've heard.

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Well, one day. I usually ask questions. It's kind of

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a form of a joke. That's why it's easy out

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for the person if they don't want to talk to

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me or answer the question. So if I form a

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question like a joke or something they can just make

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fun of me, give me bad time, whatever, you know.

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So I'll go down to catch Can and the Southeast

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is an amazing country because everything's on islands down there. The

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airport is on one island and the town's on another island,

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so you got to take a ferry in between, right.

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So we go down there and it's kind of like

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in the middle of the night. It's pretty late, and

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we land there, and a lot of times the patient

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will have an escort, a family member or a friend

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or somebody right along with me. So I'm talking to

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this gentleman and I kind of phrase it like like

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a joke. Hey, buddy, you know, hey, I just saw

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something on TV about Bigfoot before we left to come

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down here, you know, which was not really true. But

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I gave him way out, you know, if you didn't

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want talked about it. And instantly, I mean instantly, I

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asked you, well, I asked him, is there anything about

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bigfoot down here? Do you know anything about that? Then

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he goes instantly, he says, you're not going to find

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him east of town. You're going to find the west town.

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My uncle used to know whether it's a family I mean,

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without no hesitation that was not made up. There was

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no time to I can't even think of something like that.

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And I'm a pretty good storyteller, but but you know.

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And then so I was the first one. And then

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I have the opportunity to meet Fred Role. Have you

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ever talked to him or do you know who he is? Oh?

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Yeah, I interviewed Fred once. He's a great guy. We

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talk every once in a while.

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Yeah, yeah, he's a great guy. So about And there's

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either two or three summers ago here in Fairbanks, we

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had kind of a big Foot conference and I went

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there and I listened to all you guys every night,

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you know, lay there in bed with headphones on, listen

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to the big Foot podcast. And I recognized him when

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he walked in. So I walked up to him and said, sirtady,

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you have time for a question. Man? So friendly, He

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took me outside. We sit on the steps for ten

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or fifteen minutes out there in Fairbanks at the Carlson

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Center talking about Bigfoot. You know. Then I texted him

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once and I know Fred's from dealing him. Well, I

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get to dealing them regularly with allergic So I'm sitting

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there and we land in the medic stine time with

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this lady, and so I'm talking to her, her husband

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and a really cool Native guy. You know, somebody really

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would like the guy to know better. But I gotta

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be careful kind of what I say, you know, when

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I'm working like that. So I said, sir, I can

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ask you a question, and he goes, yeah, I said,

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there's a gentleman here from Deiling Hand as a podcast

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on Bigfoot? Do you know anything about that? Have you

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ever seen Bigfoot? And he walks away. They don't really

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want to talk to it about that with a non

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native person, you know, right off the get go. When

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he doesn't know who I am. He's gone for about

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two or three minutes and he comes back. He comes

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up to me and he goes, I haven't seen him.

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I have friends who have. There is a spirit world. Wow,

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that was pretty interesting, you know. And it's just I

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bet stories after story after a story. I've talked to

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the native people, you know, asked another ladies you know,

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one day, and she goes, he I haven't seen them,

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but she's been screamed at and her dad had seen him,

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you know, And so it just goes on and on

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on everywhere you go, you can find a big Foot

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story if you're willing to be or not afraid to ask.

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So it's kind of.

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The gist of the most man. Hats off to you

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for figuring out how you have to do it, which

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is you got to throw your pride right out the window,

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and yeah, you gotta be you know, not afraid and

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you're doing it the right way. What do you think

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he meant by there's a spirit world.

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Well, that's a good question, and there probably isn't anything

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about Bigfoot. I haven't heard, you know, just from listening

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to all you guys with the podcast and everything you know.

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And I definitely think from whatever from what all I

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hear that there's a spirit. Can I just come out

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and tell you what I think the an I would

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love that. I think they're definitely from the DNF DNA

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testing that I've heard people do about completed or died conducted.

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I guess for form and everything else that I hear

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about them. I definitely think the female side was human

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and they don't know seem to know what the male

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side was, right and talking with all these people about it,

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I think there's some kind of demonic dimension to involved

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with there somehow. I think maybe if you want to

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go talk about the NAT form, But I think they've

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been around here since way back when. And that's a

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question I have. You know, I can't say because I

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don't know anything. I'm never even seen. I can't prove

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they even exists, you know. But if I had to

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make a place of bet, I would bet in favor

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of you know, I would have to do that. So

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I think there's some kind of demonic side to them.

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If you know, you hear Fred some of these people

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talk about the demand on excreames and everything. I think

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there's something not good there. But that's just what I think.

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So many different ways to look at it. But uh, there,

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you haven't heard it yet, but there there's some interesting

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conversations that are coming out on the podcast. People listening

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to this will have already heard it. But but yeah,

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there's some some very interesting discussions out there. And sometimes

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when we have those discussions, phones quit working, which is

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always fun. Thankfully, we're good so far. But something I've

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noticed in talking to people from Alaska is a lot

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of the encounters usually are highly aggressive. Do you have

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any thoughts about about what why that might be the

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case or Is that something you've noticed yourself when you've

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talked to people.

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That's the one question I asked Fred out there at

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Carls Center the steps before he spoke at their bigfoot covers.

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Why do you see the big foot up peers seemed

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to be more aggressive or more violent? That was my

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first question for him. And he didn't really have He goes,

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I think if I remember correctly, He says, I'm really

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not sure why. You know, maybe it's a lot more

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open country. They don't have the exposure to people as much.

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You know, I don't know, but they definitely that's the

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word on the street that they seem to be a

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lot more violent, you know. Uh. I have another story,

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you know. I talked to one of the nurses up

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and hanging one day and I never talked to her

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one on one before, some kind of teasing a little bit,

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and they said, hey, where are your boyfriend working? You know,

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he's an engineer on the ferry some Seattle, Vancouver Island.

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You know. Oh cool? And I said, well, now that

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I think you're probably thinking that I'm funny or weird.

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Now I'm going to prove it to you. I said,

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did you know that Vancouver Island a hotspot for bigfoot,

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and I'm expecting her to laugh at me, you know,

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and she doesn't laugh. She just goes totally serious. She goes, no,

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I didn't know that, but I've seen their tracks. Well

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now I'm floor. Now the joke's on me, you know.

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And I said, where did you see big foot tracks at? Well?

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I was writing stow machines from Bethelo and any act

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on the Customhorn River and I was getting behind my boyfriend.

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I didn't want to get lost, but I saw the

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tracks alongside of everybody. Didn't have time to go over

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and take a close look at him, you know, or

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get off like at him. And here's just you know,

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you know, this nurse, this young professional lady talking to

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me about bigfoot tracks and the hangar just blew me away,

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you know. And I got family members who got stories.

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But one here's kind of a funny one. I was

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in catch Can and I stay at the hanging while

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I'm down there filling in and when every few days

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I'll get in a van, take the ferry cross over

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and go get somebody in town. And there's a little

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pizza really neat little pizza place that I go in there,

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and it looks like it's kind of slow. You know.

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I want this guy maybe be having a tough day,

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you know, so I want to try to cheer him

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out and make him laugh and give him someplace else

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if I can, you know. So I said, hey, buddy,

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I'm the only one in there, and I said, hey, buddy,

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I'm big in a big foot. You got any big

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foot story? You know, trying to strike up a conversation

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with this gentleman, and he goes, no, I don't really

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have any, And I thought that was going to be

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into it, he goes, but then he goes, I have

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two friends who do, and one was in California. Our

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family got congrassed by one, and the other one was

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just east to catch cat up in the mountains. Guy

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seen one hunting. So wow, cool, thanks for the story.

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I get in the van, I drive across town and

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I'm going up to the ferry term I'm getting on

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the ferry to go back to the hangar, and the

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fairy just get aut ready to stop running for the day.

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So I'm the only car on the vehicle. So I

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pull up there, roll down my window, and the deckhands

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talking to him, and I say, hey, buddy, where are

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you from Oregon? Cool? You got bigfoot stories from me?

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I do? And he goes, I used to see him.

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It's so good, you know, it's so good, dude.

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So you know, laugh at everything, you know, most people.

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But he goes, I do have stories. And he goes,

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when I was a kid, I had this flashlight. And

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he's telling me about this flashlight he had with his kid.

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He's a probably the flashlight and he would he would

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hear him up in the trees when he's walking down

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from the house to the bar to do chores, and

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he goes, I just signed my light up and I

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can see the ice shine, you know, wow. And then

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he goes, this is a grown man, you know, probably

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at least in his fifties. And then he just you know,

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he just stops and he goes. And then last year

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I was I was someplace I wish I never was.

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And that's all he tell me, you know. But so

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many people I work with down in the Kenai area,

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you know, they got stories, you know, out there being

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kind of rapped with the family out on trail hiking,

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you know, and it's just it goes everywhere I go.

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Everywhere I go. I can't not get a big Foot

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story if I.

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Ask and Craig, when I laughed there, I was laughing

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at myself because it is so obvious what you did.

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But it's like people aren't realizing how you just have

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to like ask that you myself. I need to start

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doing that because I'm making it too hard. When I'm

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in person somewhere like just at a you know place

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like you're talking about, just just ask them. Hey, you

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gotten bigfoot stories? You're a genius.

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Man. I didn't mean to play. You were laughing at me.

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I didn't mean to do with but I had no way.

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But you know, I don't care. I'm getting old. I

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don't care if you laugh at me. I don't care

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as long as you're laughing. I don't care. As long

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as you I've had me, I don't care as long

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as you're laughing, right, they'll care about But yeah, it's amazing.

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The gal there on the gas station, people in the restaurants,

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you know. And you know, being in this job doesn't

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make me anything, but I get to hang out with

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some people, you know, a lot higher on the social

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lighters than I or I will ever be. You know,

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some pretty prominent business people, you know, and uh, you know,

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and I asked them. They're from the native community, and

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and you know, it's just everywhere I go, But everywhere

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I go. I'll make you promise it. I'll go around

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and ask and I'll bet you that I can come

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up with a bigfoot story today at some points out

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of the blue, you know, where somebody doesn't have time

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to think it up or make it up, you know,

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have I you can ask me if I do I

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know anybody who's ever seen them? I do? I know

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two people. One's a very close family member here in Fairbanks.

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So one jumped up in front of his truck and

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Idaho one time. He needs to if you ever go

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on the BFRO website and check out the database. I

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don't know if you've ever done that, or he's got

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a story there, okay, And and I'm I'll reveal too

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much because I haven't asked about but if I could

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talk about it. And then another lady saw one in

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early sixty stand alongside of the road in California, shoes

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down there, you know. So and Jesus, real, little lady,

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these people aren't gonna lie to you, you know. So

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there's two people that I do know that have seen them,

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and I'm always out in the woods by Sadden and

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I we kind of both worked two weeks and two

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weeks on and two weeks off, so we pulled another

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all nighter night before the ass got back. Late last

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night we went down to the Dinnale Highway and we're

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way back off in there with a side by side

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riding around and they go down there a lot. Since

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I worked too on and two off, I can't always

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find somebody has the same kind of schedule I do.

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Usually out there by myself, you know. And there's some

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podcasts out there that talk about that. You now I

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Highway in great detail, you know, So I'm always looking.

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And another thing I like to do is ride motorcycles.

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Last year last May, I took off myle was down

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there and rode ninety three hundred miles around the whole

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US and had a wonderful opportunity to stop in Bailey,

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Colorado and meet Kim Biles. And that man was incredible.

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He spent the whole day with me. He took me

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out in the woods, showed me things, and yeah, he

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was a great guy. So got to meet him and

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a few other people up here. It's been it's been

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pretty interesting to get to talk with those guys. You know.

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So when you were driving around the US on your motorcycle,

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were you then asking for Bigfoot stories no matter where

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you were?

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I usually I kind of playing that one out like that,

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that one I had planned, you know. I left Las

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Vegas and I was headed back and and kind of

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headed up to Sway, so I knew I wanted to

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stop that one. There's one I looked up. You can

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go on the internet and look at how many states

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have big flip museums. There's quite a few. Nebraska even

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has one, you know, And so we're going to stop there.

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I just missed you out there in the blowing Oregon's

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that one. You were there just a few days ahead

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of me. So I rode. I just did another three

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thousand mile right down there from Iowa clear up to Portland, Seattle.

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Then I got on the ferry and went out to

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spend the night on the San Juan Islands and a

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night out on the Van Couver Island. I finally made it,

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and why in we did, And I've probably been to

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Seattle three hundred times in the legit Fairbanks up here

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and flying over those iland. I'm saying, man, that's one

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of the most beautiful places on earth, you know. So

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someday I'm gonna ride my motorcycle there. And I just

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did it this month.

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You know, that is fantastic. I didn't get that what

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you said before the show starts. So you went to

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the NABC in Boring, and uh, they were like, Jeremiah

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was just here.

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Yeah, actually, hey do you know this guy? Yeah? I

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was just here.

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Was that Cliff?

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I don't, I don't. I don't know that June Okay, one.

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Of the guys there. Yeah, they're all good guys. Yeah, yeah, funny.

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Yeah. So I when I say that, even you told

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me you were going to be out of town, but

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I didn't. I was going to catch up.

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With and three thousand miles for probably two thousand miles

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from Iowa to uh Portland. And then I went up

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there world across uh uh ray the bridge at Tacoma,

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and I got friends that live up there. That's why

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thing about being Asian, You're going to have friends, a

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lot of friends.

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It's a small world, you know. And yeah, it was

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pretty cool. Got the right across the Comba Bridge and

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then you just take off, do not know where you're

458
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going to go. I see a ferry, get on the ferry.

459
00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:16.200
I don't know where it was going. And it was

460
00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:18.880
pretty cool. I have that kind of freedom, you know.

461
00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:24.759
But if you ask me, Craig, where could I go

462
00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:27.279
to see a bigfoot? Well, let me ask Let me

463
00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:30.839
turn that around. If I asked you, hey, buddy, where

464
00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:33.279
could I go to see a bigfoot? Where would you?

465
00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:34.880
Where would you tell me to go?

466
00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:39.319
Well, you know, I think I don't know if I

467
00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:41.880
would say a certain area, but I would say a

468
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.680
certain type of area. I would say, you need to

469
00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:52.240
look for woods, probably a creek or river that's got

470
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:54.480
a lot of bends to it. There's got to be

471
00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:59.440
a pretty good food source in the area, not a

472
00:25:59.480 --> 00:26:02.039
lot of people around that might point you in the

473
00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:07.400
right direction. Or I just say probably around Mount Hood

474
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:08.039
in Oregon.

475
00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:13.200
Yeah right, I got the most beautiful picture on my

476
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:19.319
bike going past. I would say Fort Lewis on the airfield.

477
00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:21.039
Oh sure, yeah wow.

478
00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:27.119
And last May I went down to visit some classmates,

479
00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:30.039
a classmates and their family down there and I own

480
00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:32.799
just south of des Moin and uh, you know, it

481
00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:36.519
wasn't like I know this. She's a very sweet lady.

482
00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:39.960
But it wasn't like I'm really was close friends with her.

483
00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:42.119
You know. She's one of the pretty girls and I'm

484
00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:44.000
one of the dumb farm boys growing up, you know,

485
00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:46.880
so our pasting crossed a lot, you know. But I

486
00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:49.279
know she's a nice person, so we kind of become

487
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:51.799
friends on Facebook stuff. So you invited me down to go

488
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:54.839
see the family, and they have been a very nice

489
00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:57.319
home and I'm pretty nervous, but I'm not going to

490
00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:00.440
let on, you know. So I'm thinking I need So

491
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.559
we're sitting at this big table and I need something

492
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:07.240
to have a conversation piece, you know. Finally I hear

493
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:09.079
one of the family members say they were in the

494
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:13.039
military and Washington. Okay, here we go. Now I got something,

495
00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:17.359
you know, And so I say, hey, buddy, you're out.

496
00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:22.720
And for lewis they got any big Foot stories? And

497
00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:25.000
he goes it gets kind of quiet. He goes, no,

498
00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:28.839
I don't, but the guys that had been there before

499
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:32.960
me did, because all I can tell you is these

500
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:35.359
places the military won't let you go at night on

501
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:40.160
that airfore or on that base, you know. And then Steve,

502
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:43.240
he's done a kind of an episode on He talked

503
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:47.359
about it on one of his podcast episodes, so that'd

504
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:49.519
be But it was really cool getting to see these

505
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.440
places and drive by him. And I've landed there with

506
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:56.759
the Leer quite a few times at for McCord there.

507
00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:59.359
You know, it's kind of a joint pace, so I've

508
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:01.799
been on the big but and then I got other

509
00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:04.160
people that ran across that wanted to camp out there

510
00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:07.200
in the campground between flights, and they were kicked out

511
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:09.000
of there. They wouldn't let him stay, you know. So

512
00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:14.359
it seems to be all kinds activity around for Lewis.

513
00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:19.319
I'll tell you this much. I've talked to I believe

514
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:22.440
I talked to a few people over the years that

515
00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:27.480
have had things happen. I've had individuals that almost came

516
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:31.680
on the show and then pulled out at the last minute,

517
00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:35.559
which is no problem, right, But I agree with you man,

518
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:38.319
there is stuff that has happened at the area in

519
00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:41.880
the past that would just blow your mind. It's crazy, crazy,

520
00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:42.640
crazy stuff.

521
00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:47.559
So one day I'm flying in the Leer from Fairbanks

522
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:51.519
down the anchorage and fly with one of my buddies

523
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:55.039
and he was at someone he was kind of like

524
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:59.519
somebody in the Blackhawk world, you know, and in the military.

525
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:02.839
So I asked him, Hey, you got clearances, can you

526
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:05.640
do me your favor? What's that? Can you look up

527
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:10.359
Mount Saint Helen's Bigfoot and can you tell me if

528
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:13.680
they did sling load bodies out of there after the

529
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:17.400
eruption in May nineteen eighty And he goes, well, you

530
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:19.720
can do as much as I can. How freedom of

531
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:22.480
information act? So we get we laying in anchorage or

532
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.480
going a hangar there and start looking down freedom of

533
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:29.359
Information Acts? Mount Saint Helen's Bigfoot? Did that really happen?

534
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:32.440
Somebody already beat me to that one, you know. I'm

535
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:38.079
sure somebody started to get there, so then they I'll

536
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:41.000
hear things, but you don't always believe everything you hear.

537
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:43.880
But after you hear it about enough times, then it

538
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:47.480
starts to carry some weight, you know, So maybe that's

539
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:50.880
where they came from. I'm wondering did we transport those

540
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:56.079
from Mount Saint Helen's to Fort Lewis? You know, man,

541
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:56.599
I heard that.

542
00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:00.480
It's the one man. That's the main thing I hear

543
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:05.640
multiple times a month in emails and people asking about it.

544
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:09.799
People I know a guy, and man, if that guy

545
00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:12.319
is still alive. I would love to talk to him

546
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:15.839
because it's like, you know, he's probably out there somewhere,

547
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:19.720
and I've gotten there's an interview I did where it

548
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:25.119
was a gentleman that allegedly knew the guy or a

549
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:28.400
guy that was involved. But it's like, man, there's got

550
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:32.240
to be like an even step, first steep step closer

551
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:34.160
to that that you can talk to the guy. So

552
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:37.319
it's putting it out there. Guys, if you know that guy,

553
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:40.839
have him reach out in Bigfoot Society gmail dot com.

554
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:44.759
I'd love to talk to him, right, that'd be really cool.

555
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.480
And then when I was to go through that museum

556
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.119
there and born, the one thing that I found the

557
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:55.799
most interesting was because I've watched the video with Roger

558
00:30:55.920 --> 00:31:01.559
Patterson interviewing Freid Beck. If you're yeah, that's great, Yeah,

559
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:04.440
well then you see pictures of that actual cabin there

560
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:07.440
and that log that was missing supposedly when they try

561
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:09.839
to open that up. Man, that was pretty cool to

562
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:13.720
preachers all that and fred Beck there, that's what a story.

563
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:17.640
So I'll go to people that don't know too involved

564
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:21.440
with this stuff and just say, hey, you got Google Earth, Yeah,

565
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.039
go to Google Earth in the search and just put

566
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:29.480
ape type and ape and guess where it takes your mounts.

567
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:32.720
Hell, there you go, There you go.

568
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:33.279
Man.

569
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:36.640
Yeah, you're good. You're good at what you do. I

570
00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:40.240
love it. Well, I've learned some stuff. It's good.

571
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:42.880
It's good. Man. Well, I don't know how much. You know,

572
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:44.799
at the end of the day, probably won't even buy

573
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:48.240
a cup of coffee. But you know, I find it

574
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:51.839
a very interesting subject. And here's why. I mean, it's

575
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:55.920
not a question really do Bigfoot exists? I think a

576
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:59.359
bigger question is what really goes on in this world

577
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:03.279
that we're not aware of, because everybody goes through life struggle.

578
00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:05.599
Most people, you know, working the butts off to get

579
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.440
through life, sport their family or whatever, you know, and

580
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:11.680
we don't have time. But I worked two weeks on,

581
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:13.440
two weeks off, so I have that two weeks a month,

582
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:17.880
and one day I'm riding my motorcycle down to Salt

583
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:23.480
Lake City and I can't. I'm horrible. Names the guy

584
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:29.200
that bought Skinwalker Ranch. I see his buildings, Fieulgal, thank you.

585
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:32.119
I appreciate it, and I've wanted to ride by there.

586
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:36.240
I've come pretty close, you know. But so last year

587
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:38.799
I told her. I went on a big bike ride.

588
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:41.640
I wanted to say, I've been to all forty eight

589
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:44.160
states on a motorcycle and I did it in three rides.

590
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:47.519
That's pretty cool, you know. I got to ride twenty

591
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:49.880
ten hond go wing down there. I keep it eyewall

592
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:53.200
at my sister's house and then I'll go on these rides,

593
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:56.920
you know. And it was pretty cool the things you

594
00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:59.279
get to do and learn. Having that two weeks off,

595
00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:02.279
you know, they took off on a road in ninety

596
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:05.640
three hundred miles and twenty three days all around the country.

597
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:08.359
Got to stop and see Jim Myers there, and I

598
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:11.319
told you that, what a great guy, what a great

599
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:14.680
role model. You know, if we could all be like him,

600
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:16.960
that would be good, you know for this world. Absolutely

601
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:20.880
awesome guy. And there's a lot a lot of good

602
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:23.640
outside the big Foot world for mankind too, you know.

603
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:27.319
So I want to put a plug in for him. Yeah.

604
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.680
I would like to get to meet David paul Otis

605
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:33.400
some day. That'd be cool, and come close to getting

606
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:35.480
to talk to him on the phone one day. Jeff Meldrum,

607
00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:38.160
he's another big name in the big foot world. Saw

608
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:40.519
him up here. I was talking about men of the

609
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:43.799
hacked people. Buy his book, got autographed. Talk to him.

610
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:47.880
Ron Morehead would be another great guy to talk to

611
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:49.960
you if you ever talked with him.

612
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:54.079
Actually, his booth was right next to mine at in

613
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:56.960
Oakridge last month, so we got to hang out a

614
00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:01.920
little bit. It was great. Really nice guy. This nicest

615
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:03.720
guy you'll meet. Such a good guy.

616
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:07.319
Yeah, it seems like that's well, I think cool about

617
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:10.079
all these people. He seems like to be very honorable,

618
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:13.480
decent down the earth people. You know, there's no like

619
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:16.400
you know, weirdose or anything like that, or you know,

620
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:20.559
misrepresenting it or anything like that. So I think they'd

621
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:24.800
be all fun to meet and talk with. And but

622
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:28.039
that southeast area of Alaska, that's the one that kind

623
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.840
of interests me. In the Yukon River, I got a

624
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:33.639
lot of friends. I wasn't home depot just the other day.

625
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:36.559
One of my native friends from Glenna was there and hey, hey, buddy,

626
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:38.400
I'm big in the big Foot. You got your stories?

627
00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:39.480
Nah?

628
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:42.639
I don't, but he's other naty body's there with you

629
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:47.039
because he probably does. Yeah, I got stories. I know

630
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:49.320
where he lives. I just hasn't seen the cav Listen

631
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:52.400
you know, that's just a spurt the moment they trying

632
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:54.199
to make any of that stuff up, you know.

633
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:58.480
Oh my goodness, so incredible, Craig, I got to ask

634
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:02.920
you this, Uh yeah, just for fun. So you focus

635
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:05.000
on Bigfoot a lot up there, But do you ever

636
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.559
hear any other stories that are just as weird but

637
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:09.639
not about Bigfoot?

638
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:15.639
I did one time. It stuck out and I used

639
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:18.400
to fly a piss and twin you know, around well,

640
00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:21.199
various airplanes around here, but I used to just go

641
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:24.800
to all the villages in a small twin or single

642
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:28.199
or whatever and mail and deliver mail and freight, you know.

643
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.519
And it's up in Ala Cack at one time and

644
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:34.599
talking to their agent and he said something about little

645
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:38.119
people and I said, well, there's no little people. Oh man,

646
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:41.039
did he get upset with me? So that was the

647
00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:44.920
other thing the little people say. Is there something to that?

648
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:48.920
You know? I don't know. It just seems kind of

649
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:52.880
strange to me. But man, yeah, I learned not to

650
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:55.239
not to make fun of little people around him.

651
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:58.199
Absolutely not. And why I will tell you this. So

652
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:01.960
it is a thing where, especially in the william At

653
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:06.800
National Forest around Oakridge, I've had people that will tell

654
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:12.039
me off record that, yeah, I've seen I've seen pretty

655
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:14.360
much little people around here. I've seen something that looks

656
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:18.679
like a gnome or a dwarf or whatever, a fairy.

657
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:21.599
And I asked him, hey, would you would you be

658
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.440
interviewed about what you've seen around here? And they're like, Nope,

659
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:27.920
not going to do it. So I think there could

660
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:28.719
be something to that.

661
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:35.119
Dude, right, do you think that I can ask you

662
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:44.480
a question? Absolutely think bigfoot are inter dimensional? H do

663
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:47.159
you think you think it can be there? And that

664
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:50.599
were some gentlemen I've already mentioned his name, took me

665
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:54.920
up and to a gifting spot one time and knocked

666
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:58.280
on a tree with a stick. Hi, I'm back. And

667
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:00.760
he introduced me and anything I can't tell anybody. They

668
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:02.440
just to put me in a rubber room. You know.

669
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:04.920
I can't be in it. I can't tell anybody. I

670
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:08.159
just was introduced to Sasquatch and bigfoot, you know. And

671
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:13.400
he goes, oh, they know we're here, and I think wow.

672
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:17.079
So it's made me open my mind to think about

673
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:19.280
things that I would have never thought of, or I

674
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:21.800
would have scoffed at or laughed at in the beginning.

675
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:24.679
Now I'm asking serious questions about them, you know.

676
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:32.440
So it's a really good question. I'll say right now,

677
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:36.760
there's nothing I've experienced that makes me think one way

678
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.280
or the other. But I did experience a really weird

679
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:44.000
thing just last month in Oakridge when we went up

680
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:48.440
into the woods one of the times. And what I

681
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:52.280
experienced was so I went off a little bit into

682
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:56.320
an area off the trail by myself, to the area

683
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:59.559
where I had found tracks the year before, and I

684
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:04.719
said verbally out loud, I was like, hey, if you're

685
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:11.599
out there, can you do something? And I will tell you,

686
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:16.719
Craig that within a few seconds this is weird. So

687
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:21.760
within a few seconds about i would say probably ten

688
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:28.719
twenty feet into the woods, wood knocks in response, and

689
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:32.719
I was like, oh my goodness. And I try it again.

690
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:36.239
I said again, I was like, hey, if you're out there,

691
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:39.679
you know, can you do something out loud?

692
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:40.239
Right?

693
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:45.599
And within a few seconds wood knock response a group

694
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:48.039
of three And I was like, I've never had anything

695
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:50.119
like that happen to me before. And I was like,

696
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:54.639
I'm not sure what just happened, but it was very,

697
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:59.960
very real. And so no I've heard stories about, you know,

698
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:03.800
individual one of My favorite stories is a saddle Blanket

699
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:07.519
Mountain story that was told on a BFRO expedition down

700
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:11.400
in Arizona that took place just outside of Oakridge. Pretty Much,

701
00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:16.519
this individual hiked in two days to this old Indian

702
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:21.960
Malala Indian trail saddle blanket Mountain. When he was out there,

703
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:30.159
he ended up walking through an area and he looks

704
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:35.199
around and it's no longer Pacific Northwest scenery. It's like

705
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:40.000
jungle scenery. This hairy arm reaches out of nowhere to

706
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:44.039
grab him, and he hears something say gotcha, And he

707
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:50.119
sees this hand go by, and it's a big hand

708
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:55.480
with like long nails and just barely scrapes the side

709
00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:59.320
of his neck, and pretty much he starts booking it.

710
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:02.760
He's able to get out of what he says was

711
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:07.719
a portal area and ends up running back to the

712
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:11.199
Oakridge area. It's the craziest, craziest story I've ever heard. So, yeah,

713
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:14.320
there are stories about like portals and other dimensions out there.

714
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:17.960
Have I personally experienced that, not yet, But I'm not

715
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.440
saying that I never will.

716
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:23.480
You know what I mean, Well, that's what I was

717
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:28.599
because you just answered my next question. Besides the big

718
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:35.159
flat thing. You know, the portal things is what really

719
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:38.599
interests me. And that Oak Grade is that out there

720
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:39.159
in Oregon.

721
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:41.519
Yeah, so you know where Eugene is.

722
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:46.320
I do. I was there and I spent the night

723
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:49.639
in Klamba Falls on my motorcycle trip. Oh yeah, and

724
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:52.800
I wanted to drive food there, but I kind of

725
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:54.679
a hurry to get up to that other place, so

726
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:56.599
I kind of didn't drive the Oak Ridge. But I

727
00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:59.280
heard you talk about it one time and tell that

728
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:01.519
story a little bit, so I wanted to go through there.

729
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:04.000
So you'll you'll need to go there someday because that

730
00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:07.679
is actually where another Bigfoot museum is. It's a newer

731
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:11.760
one in just the last year, but it's called the

732
00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:15.880
Area fifty eight Bigfoot Information Center. It's an Oakridge and

733
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:18.880
you'll need to look it up, but that's right there,

734
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:22.360
and they're owners, great people. They also do the festival

735
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:26.079
there too, so it's a good newer museum.

736
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.880
Awesome because I left my motorcycle and storage in Billingham

737
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.800
right across the road from the airport there right fly

738
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:35.440
and once in a while, so I'm planning on riding

739
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:39.239
it back to Iowa and October and I'm looking for

740
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:42.599
places adopt that are Bigfoot related along the way, so

741
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:47.199
that could definitely be one of them. Absolutely, Yep, that'd

742
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:50.599
be cool. And I was hoping it's being through northern Minnesota.

743
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:55.480
Hopefully gang Gang connects with that Randy well he's got

744
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:58.119
going on. Yeah, that'd be pretty cool, I.

745
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:02.000
Man, and especially after time I can see it, you

746
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:08.000
could definitely probably do that. And yeah, I would say

747
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:11.320
check out that. I think I have that Facebook group

748
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:17.239
linked on the episode of Randy from Minnesota. Okay, cool, Yeah.

749
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.639
Because we used to hope there for vacations and I

750
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:23.559
can't Yeah, I think I can say I've been to

751
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:27.119
every airport in Minnesota, you know, and I'd love to

752
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.800
go see him and swing by there. And I know

753
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:33.480
northern Minnesota pretty good. He used to live in Minneapolis

754
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:36.639
for five years, you know. So I mean, so that's

755
00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:38.960
one one thing cool about aviation is allowed me the

756
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:41.679
opportunity to get it out, you know. On that last

757
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:44.000
year motorcycle ride, I wanted to be able to say

758
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:46.559
I phoned an airplane in all forty eight states and

759
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:49.679
had five left, and I knocked out four of them

760
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:52.880
on last year's bike. Right now, I only got Wyoming left,

761
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:55.719
so Wyoming is the only stated I have phone an

762
00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:58.719
airplane in the lower forty eight, you know, And that's

763
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:01.360
that's pretty cool for just so dumb farm boy from

764
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:02.280
teams out.

765
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:06.719
You know, that's that's quite the accomplishment. I did find

766
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:11.920
his group, so it's called Randy's Bigfoot Research on Facebook groups.

767
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:14.199
If you join that, that's how you can get in

768
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:15.239
touch with them.

769
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:18.519
Oh. Thanks man, I'll definitely look into it.

770
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:21.440
Craig, it has been it's been a fun chatting with you.

771
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:25.559
I mean, you've got more stories that you've heard then

772
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:30.360
you may realize, and I just appreciate you sharing them.

773
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:33.440
And also I think you taught everyone a little bit

774
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:37.000
about how easy it is to get accounts if you

775
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:39.599
just kind of, you know, chill out a little bit

776
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:42.440
and just ask. So thank you for just don't be.

777
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:45.519
Afraid to ask, absolutely, And what you find out is

778
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:49.760
you can see a lot of the times in their face, like, wow,

779
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:52.559
I'm glad you brought that up because that's not something

780
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:57.960
I would have ever talked about, right, And yeah, so

781
00:43:58.079 --> 00:43:59.960
if you can, you know, it's all about helping people

782
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:01.679
if you can. So if you can be an idiot

783
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:04.599
or don't mind acting like an idiot. You know, you

784
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:05.119
don't know.

785
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:06.639
What you're going to do for somebody else, you know

786
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:10.239
absolutely well, Craig, you know keep us in mind. If

787
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:12.920
you ever have any interesting things happen in the future,

788
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:15.480
don't be afraid to reach out and you'll be able

789
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:17.199
to catch up when in the future.

790
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:21.360
So thank you so much, appreciate great talking with you, Brad.

791
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:24.760
Thanks for listening to this episode of The Big Society podcast.

792
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:28.519
Craig's stories remind us that sometimes the scariest encounters aren't

793
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:31.199
the ones we live through, but the ones told to

794
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:33.920
us by people that we trust. So huge thanks to

795
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:36.239
Craig for sharing what he's seen and what he's heard

796
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:39.760
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