From Unexplained LBL Creatures to Virginia Dogman: Darrell Denton's Journey into the Unknown

0:00 Either you're listening to the Big for Society podcast and I'm Jeremiah Bron. Every week I talk to individuals who have experienced Sasquatch in some way or another, so you won't want to miss an episode. Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to, and share this episode where a friend does not cost a thing, and it helps the show continue to grow. If you'd like to hear Bigfoot Society episodes early in ad free, you can do so by becoming a Patreon supporter or a YouTube channel member. Links to those are in the show notes in Big for Society, I've taken far too much of your time so far, so let's get on with the show, all right, Big for Society we got the privilege of socking and mister Darryl Denton tonight.

0:49 He is, as he professes, an old country boy from the state of Tennessee. So great to meet you, Daryl. I've been waiting for a long time to chat with you, and I've heard so much many cool things about you. How are you doing tonight, sir? Hey, I'm doing here and I certainly appreciate you having me on. So we have a mutual friend mister Martin Groves, which is just a great guy. One of my favorite episodes is when we talked about his adventures in the LBL at his encounters, and he's got those great books, and I know you're in one of the books as well, correct the second one. He was kind enough to put me in there, and the whole second chapter, the life stack of the book is about our encounter at the LBL in October. Was actually the October the nineteenth of twenty two, and the reason we were there was due to the fact that was the thirtieth year, the twenty ninth anniversary of his actual encounter at LBA. We were there again a week about a week ago yesterday, the same spot, and that was his actual thirtieth anniversary, and we were also there at night, and that was pretty intense. We've been there a couple of times, but I've been really honored to be the only person that ever went there that I'm aware of. Martin stays that he

2:20 and I've been close friends and best friends for forty two years. We go backer was did you have any interesting things happened the last time you were there at the LBL. Just recently, there was four of us there and all my close closest friends, which courses Martin does and mister Ron moorehead his first time there with us, re hontor to have him, and of course Martin and he's normally always anywhere Martin does us three or together, and we didn't have anything happen at that particular spot we were hoping to. We had some very strange things happen not very far from there, but it was the cabin we stayed in that we haven't ever stayed in before. It was actually in the back part of the campground, and we had big Foot around us the whole every night we were there, and just being mischievous doing crazy things, breaking sticks and making noises and clacking rocks and just a lot of things that Bigfoot's known to do. Matter of fact, Barton and I were out there two o'clock in the morning trying to figure out where they were coming from the second night we were there, because they were walking by our window in the cabin. You just see the big shadow of them, and I believe Barton actually got a picture of two of them. I did not get a picture

3:53 of them, but we had a lot of a lot of They were just being mischief. They weren't trying to harm us, but they would definitely watch us. We had a campfire going and about ten o'clock every night they'd start up. It go on to about four in the morning. And of course we go out a lot at night and research. We'll go out into the area I was mentioned in a minute ago, and we'll do research there, then come back and usually we would get a cabin because it's a whole lot easier than bringing tents and that type of equipment. It's already set up. We'll go to our location and stay how alone we want, sometimes half the night. Got a good place to go back and sleep for a while, take a rest, but didn't have any accent like we had in twenty twenty one. That was probably the no by far, the strangest thing I've ever seen. It was so strange that I don't think I'll ever quite figure out that. And of course Martin is the same way. I was. Just he and I there that particular time, and we had pulled back in there.

5:02 If I remember right, it was twelve forty eight at night and we had pulled up and it's a dirt road, dirt gravel road that goes back in there. And if you've never been to the lb ale, and I know some people watching may not know what the lbl E is. That stands for Land between the Lakes. It's about one hundred and seventy thousand acres in Tennessee and Kentucky, and it's real. It's very remote. There's a north end in the south end. There's roads back in there. When you go if you don't know where you're going and know the location, you can easily get lost back in there. There's roads to the left and right. They're just about as far as you can drive back in there. When I say roads, there's a paved road leading in there, but when you get back into that remote area, it's mainly just dirt or gravel roads off in different locations. And it's a strange place anyway. We've had a lot of stuff happened there over the years, some of it strange, really strange, and had some real strange sightings there. But last year October of twenty I'm sorry, October of twenty two was when we've seen the strangest thing I've ever seen.

6:15 And I've had a lot of encounters in my life, but nothing like that it was. It looked like a myth. It was off to the right. We were driving very slowly on the start road, headed back to the area that Martin had actually had his original encounter in nineteen ninety, and I looked over to the right. I had no winded down, and he had his winning down, and you can't We're maybe going three mile an hour, just barely moving, and you really can't go very fast back on his roads, or you're end up off off a hollow or in a ditch. So I looked to the right and there was like a mist. And the closer I got, I looked down and there was just a huge creature laying right on the side of the road, and a lot of brush and weeds on the edge of the road, and it was laying down in like a ditch, which after we went back it was actually a creek bed next to our They went under the road there, and it was looking right at me, like just fixed on me. And I'm only probably six seven feet from this with my arm out the window. I just shot me when I looked and turned that way to look at it. And when I looked at it, I thought, what in the world is that and I looked. As soon as I looked over at Martin, I said, tell me you're seeing this and he goes, oh, yeah, I see it. And I said, what in the world is that? And it was so strange.

7:44 It had a head about half the size of our truck windshield, huge head. It had maine around its neck like a lion. It had it looked like tiny flashlight for eyes. They were real clear and real deep, and it was a blue silver color, grayssh blue. And then it had the very TIMPs of the hair on it. You could the very TIMPs of all the hair on it had, like the light on the edges of them. And the strange thing about it, it was in a stance like a cat with pouts on something. And at the same time, as strange as it sounds, it was it was transparent. You could see through it. It was like something out of a cartoon or something. I've never seen anything like that. And I looked back at Martin and I said, stop because I'm gon't to get out, and I he said. He didn't say anything.

8:39 He just kept going because frightened him a little bit too, because this thing't like he was going to jump on us. But I wanted to get out and see what it was. And about that time it was I caught it. I don't think it's Infrasund. I caught it zapped. I've been zapped a couple of times by the forest people or big Foot, but the by dog man. And all of a sudden, it filled the whole truck with this unbelievable smell. I can't smell good. I lost my smelling senses when I got COVID back in twenty twenty. But Martin was so sick and my legs were a little teenly, my arms, my upper chest felt pressure on it, and I had a massive headache all of a sudden, and I looked over it at Martin and he said, man, I can't breathe.

9:31 And the fact it had on him, he said, my chimed in my throat and swell together. I can't breathe. But I can't breathe, and I said, stop, pull over, let me drive. And about that time, this thing crosses behind us, and it didn't. Martin is looking in the mirror and I'm looking back toward it, and it crosses behind us, behind the truck, and it just like glides across behind us. Not like it ran went up this went into this field, then it went up this heelside and you can hear it. You can hear this thing breaking branches and stuff as it was going up the hillside. It sounded like it was real heady. And then we didn't I don't know where it went after that, We kept going. I was more worried about his health than anything.

10:16 He was pretty much almost paralyzed. He couldn't breathe, and I was thinking he was going to pass out. And we're way back in in the middle of nowhere, and quite frankly, I don't know the roads nowhere near he does. And I said, let me drive, and he says, now, let me get us out of this office road. And we drove on out, and he fortunately was casting for air, and I was feeling sick myself. And we got on out finally and turned to the left and drove the good ways and we finally hit the main paved road that goes back in there and turned to the right and finally to a rest spot back there that has street lights under it. And I immediately went over to help him get out of the truck and he and he said he could barely move at that time, and I said, are you going to be able to breathe?

11:16 And he was actually gasping for air. And we find he finally got a little better at least where he could breathe, and we drove on to the main trace area and got in got under a ranger chet station and got him out where he could move around a little bit and walk a little bit, and but he wouldn't he was better, he could breathe. I believe he was sick about seven days after that. He didn't get over it like I did. It was the strangest thing I've ever encountered. Just this sounds like something crazy. But if I hadn't seen it myself, I we probably wouldn't believe it. But something like that is doesn't seem to even be possible.

12:03 But Martin seems to think it must have come out of a portal or something. I don't know where it came from, but it was in the ditch, but it had a missed around it. At first, it was very strange. All I did to call it was some kind of translational huge dog creature is what I would call it. But like I said, the strangest thing I've ever seen, and he would tell you the same thing today if he's right here. And that account is in his book, which is based between the Rivers, the second book. He has two of them. They're both fantastic. Looking back at the creature when you saw it cross the road, how tall would you say that it was when you were looking back at it. It's dark out there, And when I say dark, you can't see your hand in front of your face if you're you know, if you're out of the vehicle. By just what I could see of it, I don't know the height of it, but it was visible over the bit of the truck. I really, I've never been asked that question. I've never thought about it. But it wasn't any any crazy high like ken foot or anything. Probably six to eight foot off the ground probably, but it was visible to see it. He could see it better than I could. Number was gasping for air and let riding in this rearview mirror, and I could hear it. It was the footsteps that was making It went into a grass field of real high grass, and then there's a bank that goes up real

13:37 steep rut there, and it went up that bank and that's when you could really hear it when it was breaking limbs and sticks where it was going up to the side of that bank. It sounded like something very heavy. It sounds like it sounds like it was a long time to view it, but it really was a long time. I don't know what the timeframe was of actually seeing it and everything. I'd say maybe five to ten seconds at the most. I wouldn't think that long. It definitely seen me, and it looked at me in the most evil way. It's just hard to explain, but I think the thing that I've seen a dog man before, but it was nothing like that. The one I've seen looked more flesh and blood.

14:22 This thing was like something that was it's almost like cartoonists. Like I said, it's so strange looking, so it's very the description is very sci fi, very alien. It's very weird. I've never seen anything close to that, and then neither has Martin. That man. I've talked about it so many times, and like I said, as crazy as saying, we've been back there numerous times hoping to see it again, and we've never seen it again or anything close to it. A matter of fact, I've never seen any other creature there, But just read your game dinner and other time.

15:03 We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. Besides that moment in October, I believe it was October nineteen twenty two. Is already seen that. But there's so many weird things that happen in the LBL. There's dog Man, there's Bigfoot, there's whatever you guys just saw right there. Do you have any have you ever thought why is it in this one place? There's so many weird things happening. Martin and Lee, Martin and I, Joe and Jesse have hel Ben Holler. They're good friends of mine and theirs two and they go there and just the best boots on the ground team ever and just fearless. They go out and just walk those hills in the middle of the night. And we do that too, but not as far, not as much as they do. And we've talked about that.

15:58 But I think it goes back maybe even before the that area was well known. I think I'm correcting the late seventeen hundreds, early eighteen hundreds, the Indians, the American Indian in that area. I had talked about a creature that was they called it a dog type creature. The settlers there in that time had animals attacked and even people attacked by some type of dog type creature. And I think it was in the sixties when they formed the actual waters of the Cumberland River in Tennessee that turns in Lake Barkley after you get past Cheatham Down and Barkley and the Tennessee River make I think those are the two rivers that makes the they turns into Kentucky Lakes what it turns into, and a large portion of it is in Tennessee and Kentucky. But there's when they flooded that area. They were homes people that refuse to leave that area.

17:03 The TVA came in there and these people had lived there for their families. They'd lived there for some of them for hundreds of years, and a lot of those people refuse to leave and they just flooded. There's so many graveyards in there, I think I'm correct. There's over two hundred graveyards into they'll be Yale and we found stones in the late seventeen hundreds. Some you can't tell what they ares, it's a stone. And there's a lot of those grave yards that were covered by water too, because this is a large light. It's just a massive body of water. And I think there's just some type of phenomena that's always been there. I don't know what makes it that type place, but when you drive into, they'll be there. You get a strange feeling just driving in. So it's just an area that I can't explain. You here people that go up there and spend a weekend and never having occurrence, or stay in the camping area and they fish and camp with their family, and then hear other people that go up there and leave and whenever come back they see something or they're getting scared off by something.

18:14 And we've been there so many times and most of the time it's just me our team, Me and Barnley and Martin Groves and Martin and I have been up there just us two plenty of times, but mostly it's just us three. And Ron came with us his time and he had a good time. He wished he could have stayed longer, and we're going back again gonna He's already said he would love to go back again and stay with us. And I wish he could have seen more because our main goal was hopefully for him to see some type of creature because he'd never seen a dog man and a lot of people haven't. We go back thirty years ago roughly when Mark and I used to conversate about our experiences. Back in that day, I was I was a commissioner, an alderman, and then a mayor for quite a few years in the same area that Martin that Martin Groves was a deputy sheriff, and he was a chief deputy. He was up there next to the sheriff and well respected. And he and I might experience my first one in ninety of a big foot that just scared me to death. I didn't even know they existed if they did not in Tennessee. And then he had his experience a year later. And you couldn't tell anybody back in the nineties if you told people I've seen a big foot or I've seen a dog name of

19:45 course that I thought we'd lost our mind. And now it's a lot easier to speak of it. And Martin held that, and he held that, and I pretty much did too for nearly twenty five years before I started speaking of it. I told members of my family and very few people, but being elected official. You don't run around the county in town telling people you've seen a big foot and it scares you to death. And he was afraid he would have gotten fired. So for telling me say it almost got killed or eaten by dog maw. Thank goodness for podcasters like yourself who have good quality shows that you can talk about this stop stuff. But that wasn't available when this happened to us, and there weren't There weren't any Facebook groups, you know. I think Mike Patterson, Michael Patterson think he started the first group, and I believe it was twenty fifteen, and I was helping him and with him for a long time there. And that was Blue Rids, Blue Red Asquats and Crypto and Michael, not Mike Patterson, but Michael Patterson.

20:56 He still has that group. He's still a close friend of mine. I left that and started my own in February, late February of two thousand and twenty two. But that was there was maybe three groups on Facebook when we started that It's wild. There wasn't any big foot of dog man groups. And I've cried, frankly ever even heard of a dog man until Martin Graves tell me about one, and then I didn't hear anything much about it until the last four or five years. You hear a lot about it. It seems to be added definitely the last few years, a lot of people have gotten interested into that creature. I would say, you take me back to the first time that you had an encounter with a bigfoot. What that was, What that situation was like for you. That was My grandfather had a large farm in Canon County, Tennessee, Woodberry, Tennessee, and it was very remote out there. My grandfather lived in that area all his life, and I pretty much grew up on that farm. My grand I stayed with those grandparents quite often and did everything kids do. My grandfather was a farmer, and he was pretty strict on me being in the field helping him when I was Even when I was five years old, we were either in a garden or a tobacco field, or I was helping him with hay in the field. Because he had animals and livestocks. I knew that area very well. I don't know how many acres my grandfather had, but he had

22:29 a pretty good sized farm and certain areas were sensed off for the cows. He had, and I'd hunted there for as long as I can remember, and captain the woods by myself when I was eleven twelve years old, Me and my dog and we'd count the woods and we'd hunt just regular game and wasn't scared of anything, and never see anything that I didn't know what it was. And this was I believe it was November the six of ninety two. Me and three of my friends, Scott, Jason, and Cody go up to my grandfather's farm on the opening day of black powder season, which is muzzle over that we call it in Tennessee. It's a rifle that you can only power one shot. It's like the old ramrod. You pack your bullet in it with a wide and a firing cap. And opening season is before gun season and your chances for a bigger deal A lot of times or that week. And we've been going up there five or six years, me and those three guys, and I had a big out of camper, a nice camper back then I pulled my truck and I would pull the camper up, open the gate and pull it next to my grandfather's barn and we would set the camper up there and they followed me with a truck and a trailer, and we all had ATVs or four eaters back then, all four of us, and we would go up there and we would get there to a

24:03 day or two before the season opened, and we had some stands built out in those woods, and then we had also a cane stand which you carry on your back and put around a tree, and climbing climbing stand. And we had got there that Sunday, which would have I could be off a day or two on the date. And I'm pretty sure it was November fifth of ninety two when we got there. And my granddad, of course, at that time, he was I believe ninety years old. I'd have been ninety two, but he was in tremendous shape. You would never think he was that old. He's still farmed and did everything farmers do. He even had cows and milk every morning. And he came out and greeted us, and we hung out with him a little bit, and we set camp up, and I went in and talked to him, and I was staying on his back porch. He had an old wood farmhouse on a heel, and I said, grand Dad, I'm going to this year, I'm going out after a trophy deer. I'm not really looking for one for the meat, and I probably won't kill one unless I see a trophy in I said, where do you think the best place would go to get a trophy deer would be? And I was standing on his back porch. He pointed out.

25:15 He said, you see that third hollow over there and the heel and I said yeah. He said, that's probably where i'd go. And this was a good walt from his house. You're looking over the heels and this place is heels and hollows, just one after another. And it's pretty hard to even explain how much steep heels there are there, some of the forty five degree angle, so it's a climb. He said, I would go over there. Of course I did. I hit it off his back porch and I went back behind his porch and I had my climbing stand on my back, went back to the camp to get it, and I hited where he showed me to go, and I went over that way. And you go through his yard, through it down to a gate and you open the gate up. It's just a standard sized gate and it goes into the field where is that was fenced where his cattle were. And I went down there and went through that gate and crossed about a two hundred It's probably two hundred yard wide. At that time of the year, it was like a sage grass field. And I walked down through that until I got to a fence line.

26:26 It was a bob wire fence, and I climbed that bob wir fence and got over and started climbing his heel and it was, like I said, it was a steep hill. And walked up to the top of that hill, went over another hill, and by the time I got to the third heel, it was going down. It was real steep, and I came. He said, when you get over there, you know you're in the right spot. There's an old part of an old grist mill there to the left, and the old house that I was born in is still there, but it's fallen in. You'll see the remnants up tin roof and part of the chimney standing. And he said, you've been there, but it had been years since I'd been there. We had went by road gravel roads back in there to get there. But anyway, I got over there to that spot and had my stand on my back, and I walked around the side of this bank to the side of this hill, and I just said, it was real steep, like a forty five degree angle. And I seen a tree that was straight up all kind of overlooking the creek in front.

27:33 And when you and I went and put my stand around that tree and got it ready for the next day, climbed up in it and set back and cut a few limbs off of a little fotoble soil I had, so I i'd been able to set my stuff up in the morning. And then I come down and walked across that creek and there was a large cane thicket to my left. Cane is like it looks like caane. It is cane. It grows can or fifteen ft call all down creek and river banks in Tennessee. And it went all the way down the left side of that creek bank and crossed over walk down through the creek. And this creek's only probably ten twelve foot wide right there, but it's about two foot of water that runs all the year around, and it gets a lot wider on down from there, some probably fifty or sixty yards wide. And I went up.

28:22 There was a little clearing there, and I just was mainly looking for deer signs, and I found some a scrape. That's what a butt deer does. The male deer with their antors, they rub on trees and leave a mark when they're in the area. Found a couple of those, and I could see the deer down. There's a little game trail on top of that, right into the creek bank on both sides, and we're deer and stuff travel on and I see a lot of tracks. And I walked over a little bit to the right on the edge of that bank, right into the game trail, and there was a big tree lamp sticking out an oak tree, and there was a lamb up pretty good and I'm six five, so I jumped up and grabbed the lamb and i'd put it what's called a drag rag on your boot when you go in, and this elastic thing that goes on your boot and you put scent on it and covers the human sand as you go in and pull that off. I grabbed that branch and tied it around the end and let it go and it was up off the ground probably about eight foot, and that kind of lets the scent go down that hollow, and sometimes it'll bring deer in because they're trying to it smells like a female deer an aestra so or that time of year when they go into that which causes the bucks to chase them. And I'm hunting that tree. And let it go and come back across the creek and went through a little ravine to my left and climbed those heels again and came back and went down to

29:56 the camper and hung out all my friends that night, and we grilled out and had a good time. And I went up and untild my granddad. I said, I when you get up in the morning, when you came there and wake me up, we'll be back with more big Foot Society after these words from our sponsors, and because it's pretty good walk over there. I think it took me about forty five minutes to an hour that day just to get there. And he said, sure, so I'll do that for you. My granddad never called me by my name. He's called me boy all my life. And he said, I'll be down there, boy. He said, I get up about four point thirty. I said, that's fine. We all went all got in the camper that night and went to sleep, and about four thirty or a quarter to five, he banged on the side of the camper and he said, boy, time to get up.

30:49 And I got up and went out and spoke to him, and he was going to the bar and there in front of just a milk a cow, and I hit it that way when I went down on his house there, went through the gate and went through that field and had a fla slot with me I had. I had what it was called a fanny pack that I carried my extra powder load and extra firing caps and a powder horn in it, and a few other things I had with in and that also. And I went on down and I got to the bob wire fence there after going about two hundred yards through that field there, climbed over the fence and started climbing the heel and I got just a little ways up on the hill.

31:37 I don't remember. I don't think I was halfway up, but I was a pretty good ways up, and it's dark, and I didn't know that I knew I didn't know that area that well because I didn't normally go into that area. But I got about probably close to halfway up and I heard something walk into the left of me, and I stopped, and I thought, that's strange. Somebody be in here. I knew my three friends. I knew where they were hunting. They were hunting in pretty close to the same area that they hunt every year, and they were good ways for me, way off in a different direction and different hollows. They would hunt a different hollow, one would hunt one and one would hunt another. And so I didn't I knew it wasn't them, and I started shining the light and I didn't see anything, and but I heard it walking. It sounded like a person walking. Startled me a little bit. I thought, who, somebody's in here hunting, and then I started thinking, maybe it's a cow or a horse that's got in here. So I just climbed over the hill. And when I got over to the second heel, I was hurried because I was startled steal in my mind about what that was walking. And by the time I got to the there was a little bob war fence in the bottom hollow of the second heel that was old and it was rusty you could step on for most of it had been used in years, but by the time I got to the top of the third heel, the last heel, I started climbing down that hel and I heard it again, but this

33:12 time it was up on top of the hill. I just came down to my left and it was walking. I would stop and it would stop, and then I would walk a little further down, and you could hear anything walking these dead leaves. There was real crunch sound, and I thought, somebody's in here hunting. And I couldn't imagine anybody hunting on my grandfather's farm. First of all, he wouldn't allow him as we were there. And I went on down and I found the creek with my flashlight and I walked around the edge of the bank until I found the tree that i'd put my stand around the day before, and I pretty hardly got into it. I put my feet in the straps and I leaned back and started climbing the tree and I climbed on up. And that takes probably few fifteen minutes to get up there with a climbing stand. I was up about twenty five feet off the ground. That's about what I know. Mely like to hunt, and I've got a real good view, but it's still dark, and I got up and I leaned back. When you lean back, it makes the frame of that stick into the tree real good where it won't sleep. And I had a safety strap I put on and put on the lamb behind me around it in case of the stand fell, I wouldn't fall with it. And got my stuff hung up on those branches up there. I'm a pack on the right and my lunch, and I hung a pair of binoculars to the left, and I leaned back and got set up. They had this stand had a little camel cover that you pull this bar down in front of it

34:43 that goes around you in It covers you from right below your neck all the way down to your feet. It covers you real well. It looks like you can't see a person in it. It always wore a black out onto my eyes when I hunt, because the sun glare if it's sun shines that a major face sparkle a lot of times. A deer spot that. And I'm set up. It's still dark. I'm thinking, is what was that? I heard? And I didn't hear it anymore. I heard it go down to the left of me, on top of the hill, down toward that cane fidget and stopped. I didn't hear it anymore. I sat there a good while. I don't know quite how long. It was over an hour, and then it started getting a little light. I didn't hear any sounds in the woods. It was unusually quiet. There was no sounds at all. And then about daylight when I could really start to see across the creek and that clearing. There was a real foggy morning, and the creek had fogged on it, and I couldn't see across to the clearing, and I started hearing rigular animals then that you're hearing the woods, squirrels and birds and everything else. And as daylight were starting to come up and the sun was setting is somewhere around seven forty five or so, the fog get cleared a little across the creek and I could see the clearing on that side.

36:09 Then, and to the left of me, I've seen a deer come out somewhere around that cane area, and it was a female deer, a dough. It came out over there, and it crossed through the creek, went up the other side of the bank and went on that game trail and walked down the side of that creek bank and I'm up high enough I'm almost looking over on it and this tree the creek by the angle I was. And then two more came out, and they were smaller ones following this one. And I watched these deer play over there. They were just walking around. There was two younger ones, probably yearlings, from that large dough, and they were just walking around. It was a real good year for acrens, and they were eating acorns and milling around, kicking the leaves like deer trying to find food in the morning. And I watched them walk around over there for a good bet they've never seen me, and I was real stealing and quiet, and I had my gun propped right against that bar in front of me, and I was feeling pretty excited. I have seen three deer.

37:17 Normally, when you see dough that time of year, there's going to be a buck somewhere close by, which is the mail deer. And I watched them for a good while, and it was a little after eight. I don't remember the only reason I remember this time because back in the day, I wore one of these old iron Man watches, if you remember those things, and I had what was called in to glow on them. You could push a button and it was a lot to glow up on it and use that to go in the woods before that light, and it lit up pretty good. But they also had a little stopwatch on it. I would I would always push that little stopwatch button when I seen a deer come out that way. I would have a relative of time of what time to be there the next time, because they normally follow a pattern. And I'd pushed that button that morning, and I believe it was eight point fifteen or right at that when I pushed it, And then when I didn't see another deer, I'd push it and have a time frame when I watched these deer play and they walk down and they never noticed me. They were just the two little ones were to the right and left of the bigger deer, and they were all eating, and they were facing to my left, looking straight ahead, and all of a sudden they turned to the left a little bit, and the lead deer, the larger female, just all of a sudden just thros.

38:40 All three of them were looking towards this cane thicket, and I'm thinking, here's a buck deer about to come out that's what they're looking at. The lead deer was just frozen, her ears sticking straight up, looking right toward that cane area. And I looked at the other two deer. They were doing the same thing. They were not even moving. And then the lead deer took a right front foot and raised it about three times like she was trying to get something to move, and she would hit the ground with her front hoof, and I thought, you know, there comes a buck. You better get ready here because one's about to come out. And then all of a sudden, she raised her nose like she was smelling, and she makes this real loud, blowing noise, and it almost sounds like somebody's sneezing, real loud, but it's a lot louder than a sneeze. She makes that real loud sound, and then she goes right back to that frozen moment, just staying right in that area. And my anticipation is there comes a big buck out of this somewhere over next this cane thicket. And then all of a sudden, she turns to the right and takes off, just running as fast as she can. She runs right by the front of me.

39:58 On this game trail, running as fast as she can. The other two deer followed her, and I watched them till they run out of site, and I thought, that's strange. I normally a deer doesn't do that with a buck coming there. Something that's normally like when you spook them or somebody scared them or shot at them. And I deer hunted all my life. I was real familiar with what deer would do. And I watched them go out of side, and it got real quiet, and I'm anticipating the big buck coming out over there somewhere, and I remember reaching down to my rifle, my muzzle loader, and I pull the hammer back on it, and that's a click. I did it real quietly, work I'd be ready if it stepped out. And I waited a few minutes, nothing happened, and a few more minutes nothing happened. And then all of a sudden, I see the cane. It's moving. And this cane is so thick that I couldn't walk for it. It's just right next to each other, large thick cane, and were over in the middle of it. The cane was moving. It's twelve or fifteen foot tall, and you can see it swaying from the back edge to the front, and I'm thinking, man, this must be a massive deer because the move that came like that, and I watched it move all the way to the front, somewhere down through the front of it, so it stopped and then it stopped moving, and I'm ready thinking this is a record whitetail because I couldn't imagine anything pushing that cane around

41:30 like that. And then outsteps this creature and I steal right now. Every time I tell the story, it was definitely a life change and experience. It was when I seen this thing step out. I kept looking. I thought, am I really seeing this? And it was just a tall, big black creature and it stepped out. It took one step and just leaked completely across to the other side of the crew and landing on that game trail on the other side, and I mean, I'm just what is this? It was just a terrifying moment. I was literally scared of death. I didn't never seen anything like this and didn't even know this. I didn't know there was anything like that in these woods. I never seen anything. And it walks right on the game trail, right across almost did in front of me. I'm looking down on it in this tree at an angle, and it's walks right down the game trail. It stops and turns and looks right at me. This thing knew exactly where I was at. They knew I was in the tree. I'm thinking, oh my gosh, what is this?

42:45 I was just I can barely breathe was I never I don't scare easy. I've never gotten scared of since like that. And this thing just looks at me. It shows me its teeth, it just like Gritsy's teeth, shows me its teeth, looking like it's really mad. And it was the ugliest meniu sligging thing I've ever seen. And it just stared at me for a minute. And then it walks over to that limb that wasn't very far from where it was standing where I had that drag rag hanging in there. It reaches up, it pulls it down, and its head was about the same heights as that, so I'm thinking it's real close to eight foot or a little more. And it reaches down, smells that rag, and then it just pulls that limb, rips the whole limb off the tree and this tree. Lamb was not a massive limb. It was probably three or four inches at the very base where it went into the tree. One thinking, what has that kind of power rip that limb out of the tree. And by this time I could barely breathe. I'm serious. I was thinking what do I do? Do I shoot this thing? Is it going to come across the creek and just pull me out of the tree. It was just a I had so many thoughts running through my mind. I remember just sitting there, just sweating and thinking what do I do here? And then it walks right back to the same spot it was that it looks at me again like it's really mad. It did not like me being there, and it

44:19 lets out a growl, a real low, long growl, and I've still never heard a growl like that, And I thought, this is it. This thing's coming across the creek. It's going to pull me out of this tree, and it's going to just kill me. So I just was just didn't know what to do. And I've got my hand on my gun. I thought, do I fire and shoot this time? And I said, now, I don't think one bullet will kill this time. And I don't have time to reload. And I just sat there, just frozen, trying to was just scared to death, trying to get my breath. And then it looks at me and then it it's out this yale that I've never heard before, and just an unbelievable scream, like the yale we'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors that echoed all down through that hollow, and it's just a terrifying yale. I've never heard anything like that saying, so I've heard big Foot yale, and I like that. This thing was really mad. I was there, I thought, well it freak, and I was ready to just pick my gun up. I was thinking should I just jump and run or should I fire? And it stares at me for a few more seconds, and then it turns and it walks straight behind where it's standing, and it continues to walk, and it turns and

45:50 looks at me one more time with a just a really mad evil look. And then I watched it walk on through the hardwoods. It was out of sight, and I was in such a panic. I thought, I don't have fifteen minutes to get out of this tree. Climbing back down or I just lowered the bar in front of it. I jumped out of the top of the tree stand and I landed. It was such a steep embankment. I landed it. When I landed on the levees, I had my gun above my head and I slid all the way down this bank into the creek, and I jumped up out of the creek and I looked back to see if it was there, and I didn't see it. And I run up out of the creek and I run up and up that heel. There was a little ravine to my right. There there was a little narrow spot that I went up and it went quite as steep, and I'm running as fast as I could run. I left everything, just ran with my gun and I climbed over that first hill, and I kept looking back and I didn't see it. I got over the first heel and I was running as fast as I could down the second one. And got down the second one, jumped that little small box fence and went up. I was going up to the other side of the second heel, and I looked back and there it was on top of the heel set, standing up there next our tree, just watching me. Now. I don't know if it was the same one or another one, but it was one of them standing up there looking at me, and that just gave me more adrenaline when I seen that thing, so I just kept running as fast as I could. I remember thinking what

47:23 it's going to get me before I get to the top of the heel, and I kept running. I got over the top of that heel and I was on the headed down the bottom of the last heel and the bob war fence that I climbed over that morning is probably about seven foot tile and I said, I'm not climbing, I'm jumping it. And I jumped it. I cleared it, but the bottom of my left pants led caught the bob wire and ripped it all the way up past my knee and cut a huge gash on the side of my leg. I didn't even know what it was cut at that time. But and I've cleared that, I'm running through this sage field between the fence line my grandfather's back gate. It's about two hundred yards wide, and I'm looking back the whole time thinking this thing's coming.

48:07 And I get to the gate, opened the gate real quick, shut it real quick, looked and didn't see it. And I ran into his backyard and I went up on his porch, his old wood back porch had an overhang on it, and went to the back door and shut the back door, locked it and looked out the glass. I didn't see it. And I went into the right which went through his kitchen into his sitting area and had this big, huge pot belly stove that was between the corner of his living room and the floor and his sitting area. I went over to just sit down in the corner and on the floor, and I was just completely out of breath. And my grandfather was saying, boy, what's wrong with you? And I couldn't even speak. I was so out of breath.

48:55 And I got up real quick and went and looked out the wind in the back door again and see it, and came back and sat back down. He said, boy, what's wrong with you? And I said, I finally got my breath and I said, I sang a monster in the woods. He said a monster, and I said, yeah, I've never seen anything like that. He said what do you look like? And I said, was this huge creature? Black? And it was a Meani slicking thing I've ever seen. And he said, oh, you sing a wood burger. And I was in shock. I said, I've lived on this farm and my granddad a lot or I stayed there with my grandparents. My mom and dad worked in Nashville, which was about ninety two miles away, and I stayed there. So we moved to our home and out side of Nashville, and I stayed there every summer with him and helped him in the fielden I wasn't in school. How does the shock? I said, what is a woodburger? He goes, all they live around here and I said, I've been with you all these years, Granddad, You've never mentioned anything about a woodburger. He said, oh yeah, he said I've seen four in the lifetime. He said, they don't bother you. They're real territorial.

50:09 He said, I should have thought, being over in that area, there was probably going to be one of them too you because nobody goes back in there. And I said, you never told me about one of them, and if you had it, I would have never went in there. And he said, that's why I didn't tell you. He said, you've hunted in these woods all your life and he Guss had slept in the barn loft, and he said, I didn't want to scare you about him, because they don't harm you. And I said this thing wanted to kill me and he said I didn't and he said I ain't. Doesn't worry about boy to be okay, And I said, oh yeah, I'm not going back there again. And he said, I've been in the field and I'll be working. I look up and when I'm standing there next to the fance er watching me work, I said, you had these things that close? He said, oh, they I've seen four of them and I've heard a lot hear them yelling. And I said, how did I miss out on them?

51:00 Because I've been here so often, I've never heard one that I know of. And he was real, he wasn't real nervous about him, and I was still just scared to death. And he said, boy, you look like you've seen a ghost. And I said, I feel like I did see a ghost. And it was just terrified me. And I got up several of the times and looked out their window to see if it was coming. I never seen it again. And I sat there for a couple hours and just scared to death, and my granddad was trying to calm me down. He said, then things. My granddad had a big chicken house out to the left of his back porchs and it was made out of loud him and his family had made it years before then and had a door on it, and he had a lot of chickens. He goes in the wintertime, they'll come up here and they'll take a couple of them. They get hungry, can't find any food, and they'll take a couple of chickens, and they'll leave a little pile of rocks and sticks like they're paying for it.

52:02 And I'm just sitting there amazed. I and my granddad were very close, and I never heard of one or seen one. And he said, you remember, your grandma used to tell you, don't y'all stay out after dog here, y'all get in the house, because the boogerman will get you in. I said that was the boogerman. He said, yep. And I'm still just flipped out a nervous wreck. And a couple of hours later, my friends come back and one of them had killed a big deer and they were down at the camper, and I walked down to see them, and I said, hey, guys, we've been coming up here a long time now. Have you ever seen anything in the woods? And they looked at me, like, what are you talking about, big dal I said, they were skinning the deer out. They hang you in a three only one, I may kill one. And I said something maybe like a bigfoot or something, and they started laughing. They looked at me and said, you had too much to drink last night, and I said, God, I didn't drink anything. And I didn't say anything else about it. I could tell they didn't. They thought I was crazy. So went on back to our grandfather's house and I actually I didn't stand another night in the camper.

53:14 I stayed in the house and my granddad slept in the bedroom in there, and they studied the camper, and they were concerned about me. They kept passing me when i'd go out there and stay with them till they went to bed, and they couldn't understand why I was staying in the camper, but I was staying there with him and I study, you know, the rest of the We stayed there a week, and I was in there the rest of the week with him at night and couldn't sleep just thinking this thing was coming looking in the window or something. It was like some type of fear I've never had, and it really messed me up for a while. I never thought if these things existed. I thought they were out in California or Oregon, or Washington or British Columbia. I think they were in Tennessee.

54:00 But they were. And we went up there a couple of years after that, and I didn't hunt. I told my buddies, we'll go up there. I didn't tell him I wasn't going to hunt till we got there. Y'all go ahead and hunt. I'm gonna hang out with my granddad. He's getting older, and he was I didn't want to spend time with him, but I didn't care to hunt. I didn't hunt for I didn't go in the woods for about seven years. What deer hunting I did do was with friends on a farm, at my farm or somebody else's. I'd pull up in my truck and set there out towards the woods and didn't get out of the truck. I just watch the woodline. But it missed it. It can really, it is definitely life changing. I've never had that kind of fear before since I think now looking back on it, if it wanted to kill me, it could have, and I realized that over time it didn't want to kill me. It just wanted to run me out of his area.

54:52 I probably messed up as deer hunt. That was my first encounter. Darryl, that's incredible. Do you mind sharing what county in Tennessee that was in? It's Cannon County, Tennessee, Cannon County, Okay. Interesting. Well, have you ever seen anything in like a drawing of it or an illustration that looked similar to what you saw that day? I actually, you know, after I got home, I started going to the library because there wasn't a cell phone. I didn't have a cell phone then or internet or anything. And I'm still not very good with technology, but I actually went to several libraries back home trying to find pictures a big foot, and I actually did find one that looked like it. And strangely, there was like there was a book where ten pictures a big foot in it. They said the ten different type, and the number two one on the book was called the Woodburger, and it looked identical to this time, except it didn't have red eyes. The one in the picture had red eyes. The one I said didn't have red eyes. It just had dark eyes, and like it was dark eyes in the middle was some yellowish white around. I'm just wasn't read. But everything else looked like the picture there was pretty terrifying. When I seen it, I thought, oh, gosh, there it is right there. Wow, that's incredible, man. And the great thing about like the listeners that I have is someone will comment within an hour after this is

56:24 posted and say, oh, it's this book and it's on this page. Yeah, they probably know it, and I've actually looked it up. I've actually got a picture of it. I say, over the years, I don't have the fear I had of it then. But it's definitely a life changing moment when you see one of those things. And this wasn't a friendly looking If it had been a friendly looking one or didn't act irritated or mad, I'm out of taken it a little better. But this thing we had an intention of really being mad at me. I could tell by this expression. The way it looked at this mouth was to the right kind of contortion, like it was just ready to kill me. It was really mad.

57:04 That I was there, and like I said, I didn't hunt for years, didn't go in the woods. I had nightmares for weeks, I didn't sleep. This went on for a long time, and I still had nightmareers about it. For the only thing that saved me from that was I've been very fortunate. I don't understand how it works because I've got friends that's been in the woods for years and years hunting, even older friends that's been in there fifty years, deer hunting and all type of game hunting. And I'm con hunting that area not that far in but not far from it. When I was a kid with my uncles and never heard of a wood burger, and I never heard one of them mention it. They grew up there.

57:50 But I think that some people, for some reason, find these things find you. You don't ever find them. But I have something in me that they find me, and I don't know. I didn't know that till after that occurrence, but I would have never gotten over that. Martin Grows and I talked about this back then, back in the nineties. We'd go to lunch. I'd meet him for lunch and he was in a sheriff's apartment and I was going to a meeting or somewhere up in the county, and we would just talking about our experience. We had nobody else to talk to. And it's pretty crazy, and it's still today. It's still a fear in me from that. And I don't know why I still have it. But if I hadn't run into my if I hadn't had my second encounter, I don't think I would have ever gotten over it. I'm good with it now.

58:42 I don't have nightmares about it anymore. I did for a long time. But I think the worst thing about it is you're on your own back in that day. You can't tell anybody. You just have to live with it. And I even told my wife at that time, and really, you seen that? And I said, she goes, I believe you. I know you're honest, but you've seen that? And I said, yes, she goes, you've probably seen a bear. I said, now, what a bear? And I just left it at that. Since I've gotten since something older, she knows all about the story. And my granddad was oh shalot about it, like it wasn't a big deal. That was probably a shock and a thing that happened because I ain't ever told me about him, but I understand why he didn't. But he's been gone quite a while, right. But my second encounter was by accident. I wasn't out looking for big fit. I wouldn't even hunting, And if I hadn't had that encounter, I probably would have never gotten over it. That was what changed everything for me. And I've had so many encounters since then. I some people said, how do you say, and we don't. I don't know how I say them all? Have all your big foot encounters happened in Tennessee, Darryl, most of them. I had one in Virginia and I had actually I had two in Virginia. My nine year old daughter and I and

1:00:12 she's really into my nine row way of sage, really talks about bigfoot all the time. Because you know how much I'm up to it. We'll be back with more Bigfoot society after these words from our sponsors. You wouldn't believe all the gifts I did ever year. This room here's covered, we're bigfoot statues and everything else. I'm sure me and she even got me a big but me and her, it was incredible. It was about two months ago, we were coming through a rural area. I was taking her home to her mother's house. And it's a real rural area outside of Smithfield, Virginia.

1:00:52 And we're riding down this road and I'm taking her home and it's near dark and in summertime then it was hot outside. It didn't get dark to eight thirty or a quarter to nine at night. And I'm driving down this rural area road, a two lane highway and it's actually a four lane but they're split up, and it's real, real, and there's a car in front of me, and I'm watching this car keeps breaking and my daughter says, Dad, there's a man chasing a deer. And I looked to the right and this bigfoot is chasing a deer over toward the woods down the side of the road here. And I couldn't believe my eyes. And it wasn't a big one. It was a juvenile. It might have been six or seven foot tall, but it was real fan it was chasing this deer.

1:01:40 I said, no, I saw the deer. That's a bigfoot. And she looked at me, really, and then it turned Oh, we only seen it for a second, because when it seemed The lady in front of me was with her daughter and they had seen it too, and they pulled over to the side of the road, and I pulled over too and stopped. My daughter said, I handed her myself out, and she started filming, and she didn't get the picture of the big foot, but she got the deer. This deer was running as fast as it could run, and this sign was chasing it. My daughter thought it was a man checked his deer and I said, now that's a big foot. And it quickly turned and we got to back. His backside is one of these real thick brush area. When he'd seen the cars and realized we'd seen it, it ran into the woods where we couldn't see it. And I stopped, and this lady in front of me stopped, and I got out of the car and got out of my suv, and my daughter's sitting there and she goes, where are you going? I said, I'm going to talk to this lady a second. And the lady gets out of her car and she has a little girl with her, and she goes, what was that? And I said, looked like a big foot and she goes, what that's the way she acted. She goes, I've seen it. She goes, I don't know what it was, but nothing like i'd sing, and why I told her as a big fit. She jumped back in the car and locked her doors and heard her little girl just took off. They were getting out of there, but me and her pulled up and we pulled into where we seeing it running to the brush and it was almost dark at that time, you

1:03:13 could barely see light. And I walked down into the woods trying to get a picture of it. I took my camera. I said, you stay in the car, and I locked the doors. I said, if you see it or get scared, you blow the horn. And she goes, don't go down in there, and I said, I'll be okay. So I walked down. There was like a little trail or logging road or something that went down in there, and I followed it around probably about one hundred yards back in there, and I took a bunch of pictures in that area. I heard it walking. I could hear it walking in there, but I couldn't see it, and I just started taking pictures in the woods, and I actually got a silhouette of it. As matter of fact, Jennifer applet in my group, her and a couple other ladies found it in the picture. The silhouette of it sat next to a tree and it wasn't like I said, it wasn't a full grown when it was a juvenile. But that was so exciting for me for my daughter to actually see one for just a second. And since you've seen that, all she talks about is when can I go big footing with you? When can I go into woods?

1:04:13 And I said, I want to take you out there at nine years old. She goes to go out there if you will, and she knows how crazy I am. My lots of hope to come back, but I wouldn't want to take her out there. Darryl, you have seen you've seen a dog man as well, correct, I've seen. My first dog man I seen was actually in October of twenty one in Caswell County, Virginia, and that was just a crazy just so that was that I go to this is where I live at is it's mainly a farming area. There's lots of cotton and peanut farmers here and I live about an hour and fifteen minutes from where my children and I go to this little store in the morning and it's like a country stower, and I was going there's a bunch of older guys in there, I see, and I'll sit and drink some coffee with them in the morning. And I was sitting there one morning and this guy comes in.

1:05:15 The guy owns the store. As an Indian guy, it's hard to understand him all the time. And I'm sure it's hard for him to understand me with my country accident, but he knows me and his real friend. He real nice guy. And I'm sitting there at this table, it's along wood table. There's usually five or six old farmers sitting there, just talking about whatever. And we drink coffee in there. And I'm sitting there one morning and we're all talking and they know I talk about big footing, and some of them I've seen them. They believe in them. A couple of a couple of them don't believe in them. It's not an argument, just conversation. We don't talk about it all the time. But this man and his son comes in and they walk up to the counter and they had gotten gas out front, and he asked the guy who owns the stole the Indian guy. He goes do you know anybody around here that knows anything about creatures?

1:06:08 And of course I'm only keen foot from the counter. When I heard creatures, I turned around, thinking, what is he talking about? And this guy don't understand what he's asking him. He said, he said, we got a creature on our farm. And I looked up again and I got up and I walked up to him and the gentleman who owns the store there, real nice guy. I started talking to the guy. I said, what kind of creature are you talking about? And he said, we live about two hours from here and maybe a little mower, and we got something on our farm. Ha's killed our goats and we don't know what it is. And we call the game and Fish and the sheriff's partment, and they came out here and told us that it was probably some chyldies or something that killed them. He said, but this ain't no coyote. And I said, have you singing the creature? And he said no, but I've heard it and he told me some sounds that it made, and I said, I don't know. I said, I don't believe it's a coyote, And he said, you know anything about these things? I said, I don't know what kind of creature you have. I said, I know a little bit about some creatures. I said I would probably know if I seen a track what it was. And he said, do you mind coming out to our house and looking around the barn there He had a little shad that they kept their goats in. And I said, boy, yeah, where

1:07:39 do you live? And he said for two hours from here? And he said, if you want to, you can follow me on out there. And I said okay, And I got a call on the way out there, so I told him. I pulled him over and I said, give me your address and I'll come out next day. My kids said called. I had to go get to them, and so the next day I had his phone number, his cell number, and his address, and I had no idea where Taswell County for Taswell, Virginia was. There was actually about three and a half hours away, But so I went out there the next day and I couldn't find you and lost I lost my reception in my GPS, and I called the guy up. I went back away before I got reception. I said, can you meet me somewhere and show me how to get to where you're at And he said, sure, I'll meet you this old store. I think it was Highway sixty eight. I believe it was, I don't remember exact. So I went what I thought about. I found an old store that was closed, and I sat there for a few minutes and he pulled up and Saint Vicker, who's in before and he wrote the windy down, said just following. And I followed him a good ways back down the road and we went off and they were living really in the rural country, and you had to go down off the road through a creek.

1:09:00 He drove through a creek. It wasn't very deep, and then he went up over the creek and he turned and left and went back to the farm house they lived in, and he said, I live here with my excuse me, my great aunt. I live here with my great aunt me and my wife. And I believe you had a daughter or two and a son, but they were little, they were seven or eight years old. And he said, I'll show you where the goat house it is. That he cart of the goat house. It was like a little shed, and I parked my vehicle and went back through the gate there with him and walked up next to the goat house and I said, where're the goats? He said, this creature has killed them all And I said where are they and he said, I've already drug them off. And I had never seen the ghosts, but he said they were torn up pretty good. But I got to looking around the goat house and it was real money around one side there, and I knew exactly what it was. And I seen the track.

1:09:57 I knew it wasn't a big for it. There was there was a dog man track and a canine top track, and it was way too long to be a coyote or a wolf. And I said how long has this been going on? He said, I'll last year. He said first he started yelling at night and the goats would go crazy and the dogs would and then one morning we came out and one of the goats was dead and we moved the other two, and then it come back and kill those. And I said, well, where do you think it's coming in at? And he pointed up to a field and it was a huge field that was fence standing, barb wire fence stand or the goats said roamed up there, and he said, it's coming in from up there somewhere. I don't know exactly where, he said, but if you go around that feet, there's a gate that goes through to the top of a heel, and you can park upon that heel and overlook that field and you can probably see what's coming in there.

1:10:56 And I said, okay, I said, do you want me to come up here and do that? And he said, yeah, I'd like for you too, because scared for my family. I don't know what it is. And I said, okay. So I spent a lot of time over there. I was over there probably two and a half weeks. Early in the morning a couple of times, and then I'd stay till dark in the evening. I parked my truck up on the top of that little hill there. I could see the field. I didn't see anything. I was getting to the point where I just about giving up on it, thinking whatever it was gone because the goats were and what I said, I was about giving up. And I was sitting on a heel and I was just looking across that field. It was probably three four hundred yards wide, and it was a huge field. And he said, and he had told me he thought it was coming up in the very back part of it, because there was woods behind that. And I was sitting there one evening and there was lot enough to see, but it was getting later in the evening, and this was in the all so it was like close to six o'clock and I seen something in the corner of the field up there that caught my eye.

1:12:08 I had a pair of binoculars that I had with me, and I looked through the binoculars and it was dark, but I could see the figure moving, but I couldn't tell what it was. And then I've seen it come across the fence and it was running across the and it's a long, wide field. I could see it running across the field, but there was sage grass and the field in spots, and I would lose it when it went into the sage grass, and then it would come out again and then go into some more sage grass. But this thing ran so strange. It didn't run like a dog or something that galloped like a horse. And it ran all the way across the field, and it slowed down and right up above where my truck was, that was the fence line down below me. That ran up met the corner of the other fence, and there was woods to the right of and I've seen it run all the way to that fence.

1:12:58 It stopped, stood up on two legs. That's when I really went wild, and I've seen it really well. I couldn't see the I couldn't see its feet, but I could see the band and its legs as it stood up. And then it just stepped over the fence. It looked right at me, not right at me, the right in my direction. It didn't see me, but it looked in my direction. And then it stepped over the fence and wood into the woods. And that was the first dog man I've ever seen, and it was it looked like a German shepherd in the face. It was solid black, looked almost identical to a German shepherd who except it was a walking big dog. And this wasn't eight foot till it was probably six foot till I actually went down there. I went back the next day and spent the whole day there. I carried my gun and I went back in there try to track it. And I went right where across the fence and basing where it was standing next to a white spot on a tree. Was about six foot two inches from the ground to there, and that could have varied a little bit because it was the slope there. But I crossed the fence and walked on down in there, and it went around through a bluff. There was a bluff back in there, side of a small mountain, and there was tracks. I could see tracks. The ground was real moist in there, and I couldn't see tracks like I could next

1:14:30 the goat house, but I could see for something that had been going back in there regularly, and a lot of bones back there looked like deer bones and other top bones. And then I followed on around the side of this bluff and it was I got a little eerie back there by myself, because I don't know how many of these things were back there. But I found the bluff and it was a little indention up under this bluff or something that dug out, and you could see tracks going up like there was a cave or something up under his are. And I didn't go any further than that because I didn't want to take a chance of this thing attacking me. We'll be back with more big Foot Society after these words from our sponsors, So I just mainly looked around there and seeing a lot of evidence that's where it was going. So I came back out and it was getting close to dark, and I went on back home. And then the following weekend, I got all my gear and I was going to go back in there and stay the whole day and try to film it. And I was coming across the creek going into his place and coming out of his property was a game warden, a Virginia Wildlife Resources agency. God, he met me at a creek because I'm coming in, he's coming out and he rolls his window down and sticks his hand out and I wrote my window down. He said, what

1:16:00 are you doing up here? I said, this gentleman over here told me I could come up here and scout out. And he said what are you scouting for? And I said, just looking around for different game or I didn't want to tell him what I was looking for. He probably thought it was I didn't know what he would have thought, but anyway, he said, you got license here, and I said, yeah, I've got Virginia license. And he said, what you got weapons? And I told him I did and he said there was not any deer in season. I said, I'm not looking to kill anything. I'm just looking around. And he was real questionable, and he said, do you have permission to be here? And I said, yes, sir, I told you I did. And he said, you got a note or a letter stating that. I said, no, I don't. He said, let's go up to these people's house then, and I followed him up there in his truck and they came out. The guy did and he said, yeah, I've gave him permission to be here. He's been coming here for a little over a month.

1:16:59 And I told him he could go up on the heel there and just sit and watch for he said game, and he was good with that. He realized that I told him the truth. So he got this truck and I was going to go apart and go back in there, and he stopped me and he said, let me tell you something. He said, I don't know what you're doing back here, but we've had a lot of farmers in the area complaining about their livestop being killed by some type of animal. He said, i'd suggest you not go back in there. And I said what kind of animal is it? And he wouldn't tell me. They wouldn't say, and he said, I just suggest you not go back in there, and he's trying to tell me I needed to leave, and I went up there. I went up there several times after that, probably six or seven more times, and I never seen it again. So I don't know if they killed it or it moved on, or what happened to it.

1:17:59 That actual homeowner and I think he's an has passed a white. He's saying it so that they may have moved. I don't know. He was talking about moving because he didn't feel safe with his children being there and he hadn't heard of it or saying of it since it may have killed out his livestock and moved on somewhere else, or maybe the game officials took it out. I don't know. But that was the first one I'd ever seen, and it was nothing like the second one that I was seen with Martin Groves. It was more of a flesh and blood creature. This was. There wasn't anything that was cartaneous, smoking or anything. So it's it's wild. Darrel, oh Man, you've got the wildest you've you've had, the wildest encounters happened to you. It's just in stuff I didn't know about the Virginia stuff.

1:18:51 Man, that's crazy. Man. Oh, it's been going off of or thinking of the time you've seen dog men versus the thing, the times you've seen bigfoot. Which one do you think is which one was more of a terrifying experience to you? Would you say, I don't think anything will ever top my first encounter or big foot? What Martin grows and I say, was pretty terrifying, but not like my first encounter. I think anytime you realize there's something like that, especially thinking no way possible there's a big foot in this area. I would even sure they existed when I had my first encounter, because I've never seen one, but I believe they probably did.

1:19:38 I've always been open minded and heard stories some people and took it as a credible story because I don't know what they've seen. Maybe they didn't. I'm still that way. I'm at the point in my life now I've had so many encounters since then. Is somebody call them tell me there was a terror doctor flying around New York City, I would probably say, what street is it on? I would probably believe it. I don't know what all's out there. I know there's a lot of things I haven't seen because I've got close friends and seen stuff I haven't seen. I've got a friend that's seen a retinin a tear doctor flying over Kentucky. I've heard a lot of stories and I don't think these people are just making this up. Why would you make something like that, It's pretty I think the thing that bothers me so much is how critical some people can be toward other people's terror. These people scared to death or what they think, and somebody wants to laugh about it and make a joke about it, and they really have to live that to understand it. I'm a true believer. It's a saying I've been saying for thirty years. You don't find any of these creatures, they find you.

1:20:50 And that's a true story. Just don't go out in the woods banging on trees and shining lights and doing whoops and yales and have a big come visits. You have to live in their environment and respect them. And I have Indian and me and my grandmother was Indian and American Indian, and she told me a lot of tales about things that exist, and I'm sure they probably do. I've never seen some of them, but encounters for me I wonder myself for so many years why I see all these things. And I do know some other people that have things like I have, and they see them. I know other people don't see anything, and they go into the woods all their life. So it's hard to understand how some people do and some people don't. So I've learned a lot from friends and especially the Native Americans. They believe that these creatures feel the person inside their spirit. And I believe that because I feel like I have a good heart and I'm honest and easy going, and I think the creatures, I know, the bigfoot, there's no doubt they can read what you're thinking and they know what your intentions are. You go running around in the woods with a gun and the camera, and your chances of seeing one are pretty slam because these creatures know what a gun is and they I'm sure that they probably have stories themselves or

1:22:21 their family or members of their family being shot by human beings or shot at or keel. Possibly. I think they're I don't think. I do think they're a bad Bigfoot. I've had bad experiences, and I think they're like people. There's good and bad and everything, and I've been very fortunate that I've run into more good ones than bad ones. But I've been pretty scared a few times with these things. But the two guys I go in with all the time, and then three guys, including Ron Moore, those guys aren't scared of anything. Martin Grows are going in the middle of the night, aren't nonely to do it, and Ron is not fearful either. You don't want to go into the woods being fearful. If you have fear, I know for a fact Bigfoot will play off of it because they want to scare you. They will throw sticks and rocks at you the ground, or bluff charge you. They they'll do things they're not harmed you to get you out of their area. They don't want you in there. It takes a long time to gain trust from these creatures, and a lot of work and a lot of hours to gain trust. And I know that from my experiences with some of them and a family of one of them. I've had some terrible encounters. It's amazing all the stuff I've had. I don't even know how it happens, but it does. It feels like you should, Daryl, you should really have your own book. Have you considered just I'm gonna

1:23:55 put it all down in the book mark grows. And I've talked about that a thousand times. Martin and I've talked about it. Even told Ryan every time I start writing a book, I'm one of those types of people that is a perfectionist. I feel like I've left something out or I feel like I didn't put everything in there, and I'll tear it up and start over. Oh man, man, it takes me. I have started on one, but it's a slow process for me, and I can never write down all my encounters and things I've seen in one book, so it would be a thick book. So I would probably have to write a couple of books. But maintain is finding the time to do it, because you know, I sad weeks or two or three weeks out of the month, and then I go home for ken or fourteen days to be with my mom and dad and my farm and Martin and Barton and hang out with him and go with him for some time and visit my oldest daughter, my grandson. So a timeframe and plus trying to work on top of all that. Oh sure, it's seemed like there was not enough hours in the day to get that accomplished, but I didn't plan on doing one. Eventually, I would, I would jump in there with the other guys and say, hey, it might be a good idea to try to get that all down for future people to learn from. But Darryl, this has been just a really fun chat and

1:25:26 I feel like I could talk with you for hours and hours, but I want to be respectful of your time. So I want to say thank you so much for coming on this show today. And what are do you mind sharing? What are some ways if there's any ways that people can keep up to date with what you're doing or contact you or anything like that. Pretty much just most of the advance that I really just besides the podcast that I'm honored to be on, I get asked often, and besides telling my stories on these You got a great show, and I appreciate you being in my group. But I also usually post what we're seeing or something. A lot of times I don't a lot of times I don't get into detail one some things we see, but I'll put you in the group regularly me or Martin and Martin do and and Ron was with us this last three up. I put a bunch of stuff in there while we were there. We were there last week, we were we stayed Martin, I stayed there four days and they were up there with us for three four three nights. But I would probably just big Foot believers and other creatures is the name of my group.

1:26:41 And we have a really good, really good bunch of people there. We don't allow any criticism. And I know a lot of people say that's not a good group then, but we're just all allow it. If you don't come in there and bas somebody, you won't be there very long. I would appreciate anybody of want Joe. We have a great ad man, carter By Shaw, and they've got some many ad man's Ron moorehead as I had man, Martin Grows, Martin Andley, Rinda k. Pucket, my close friend Jennifer Appleton, Robin Haynes, Rebecca cart Uh, Snuffy Dyer. We have a Kenny Busy Busby. Oh my gosh. They have a credible and store of that Bigfoot that they're friends with for quite a few years. They go out and sit with them. But I got to talk to them.

1:27:26 Wow. We have a lot of people. All my ad men have had a lot of experience, and most of them I've known a long time. Some of them, like Martin grows not as long as they am, but close. But we try to treat everybody good and we learn a lot in our group. We have a lot of people that have joined that don't know anything about it with they're open minded. And I just want to thank you for letting me come on. And I'm honored to be here, and I appreciate you posting in our group all the time and big we're fan of yours. Me and Martin both tell me to not he said that guy's a good guy. I I didn't tell anybody in the Grape I was going to be on a short on time. But I appreciate you have me on and come down to help sometime. I'll let you know, man, I mean it's on the list to go down there. I would love to take you up on that. And listeners, if you want to read more about what Darryl has experienced over the years, you can get The big Foot Phenomenon by Josh Turner, and then it's also in Martin Grove's second book as well, and in the future it'll be in Darryl's book too. When he gets that out.

1:28:36 Yeah, one of these days I'll get it. Anyway, there's so many good books to read, as I've got them behind Martin and Lee's, Martin Groves, Josh Turner's. There's a lot of good books out there that people can read, but counters are something that I live through, and that's why I guess I'm a little more skied to go and make sure I've got everything right in there, and eventually I'll get it about anyway, I just want to thank you for having me on and appreciate it. Thank you, Daryl, thank you so much for coming on, and well we'll be in touch all right. Thank you. I appreciate it. I've good aidmen. You're at Bigfoot Society. Our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1:29:36 Then we can start the conversation. And I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest, and then you can get some well deserved for rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through, and I appreciate every one of you listening