Glenn Adkins, Boots On The Ground Investigator for the Ohio Bigfoot Flap

0:00 You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, Big Fat Society. We've got the privilege of talking to a gentleman who has been doing a lot of work lately, so let's just get into it. I'm going to talk about Glenn Atkins for a few minutes just so we're up to speed, and then we'll get further into the interview. But a lot of listeners will be aware of the Ohio Bigfoot flap that the public information happened between three six and three ten of twenty twenty six, and Glenn Atkins is the local bigfoot researcher along with his team, the Ohio Squatch project who's local to the area I've been partnering with, and so Glenn was able to come on for an interview, a timely interview to share a bit about, you know, his background and also what he has experienced in the area doing some investigations. So welcome to the show, Glenn.

1:24 Anything else we need to know about you, Bud. No, no, no, no. The As far as the guys that are helping me, I have a postmaster and a science teacher, so they're pretty good guy. He's pretty well educated, and they keep being balanced. I love it. And this man's future. People that are not that are down the road maybe a few years. It's it's a very intense time. Just to give a little bit of background, I mean, I I've talked to news organizations like Fox News and the New York Post has headed out there and it's been international. So but Glenn is man. Glenn is handling it like a champ.

2:12 He has. You know, Glenn, let's let's take some time and how did you get involved with this this bigfoot field to begin with? Way back in the day, you know, like a lot of people my age, it's when the movies were coming out, the Bogie Creek, the documentary about Robert Morgan, and I remember going to see that and watching it and I was totally just submerged in the hole. I want to be Robert Morgan when I grow up. I met Robert was in the area northeast Ohio. He's actually from Canton, Ohisle, which cracks me up. He's traveled the world. He's gone to Tibet, he's gone to Russia, all these places to look for Bigfoot. And he could have stayed home in his backyard and done the same thing. But back then it wasn't very popular. He was on the news on Channel twenty three news, which is a local old station.

3:09 Sens it's not there, but I saw him one night and they were talking to him about a Bigfoot sighting that happened east of Alliance, Ohio, and I said, man, oh man, Bob's in town. I got you know, this would be the coolest guy to meet. So I called the news station and I said, hey, I'm a reporter from Kent State and I'm doing a for Kent State paper. I didn't even know what the name of it was. I didn't know if they had a paper, but they gave me Bob's information. So I called Bob and I told Bob the same thing. Bob was like, sure, I'll meet, Let's have a beer. I'm like, you know, this is happening. So I met Bob. The hardest part about meet and Bob was telling him I'm not a reporter. I'm just one of those psychotic people that believe in Bigfoot and really enjoyed the movie you did. And you know, I always wanted to meet you. And he looked at me the only way, Bob. You had to experience it. But when Bob looks at you, like what are you talking about?

4:11 You know, he has that specific look that you just kind of like, is he gonna punch me or throat punch me? Or what is he gonna do? And we actually became best of friends. I worked for him for about ten years, constant right hand guy. I mean, if I wasn't at home, I was with Bob every day. And we started looking down in the Salt Fork area. We had some reports down there. He taught me so much about Native American history. And there's a whole other page too, you know them walking around as animals, there's you know, the Indian beliefs, the Native American beliefs, the history of what they've done and what you know, and a lot of times the question of wh they hear type thing come up, and he had answers for that too.

5:03 I recommend the books that he's written. He wrote a book called the Ohio Bigfoot Pocket Manual or the Bigfoot Pocket Manual. Sorry, it's a classic. It's my favorite book. Yeah, and you know I was his guinea pig for that. Steve Jones and I. We didn't realize it at the time. He didn't tell us, but Steve Jones and I we worked basically those whole all those things that he did or talked about. We worked with Bob and Steve and I had an encounter that was up close and personal. And I tell everybody they let us see them. They had no reason to let us see them, but they did.

5:51 It wasn't a I saw it crossing the road. I saw it duck over the hill or stand behind a tree. It was in the wide open, standing there waiting for us to look. And it changed me at that point and then I, you know, it's one of those I had to do it type things. Okay, So what what years would you say that you were spending this time with Robert W. Morgan. I would say like ninety two because my wife and I started dating in ninety one. And uh, that's a weird conversation you have with their girlfriend who just got out of you know, graduated with science degrees. And you say that guy on TV he looks for Bigfoot, he's my hero. She looks at me like you're an idiot, you know, but come to find out, she looks at me and says that a lot.

6:44 We but it keeps you humble, right, it keeps you humble. Yeah. You know, any guy who says he's smarter than their wife, he's not happy because she keeps me in mind. It's always conversation. Yeah, yeah, my wife's the same. She keeps me, she keeps me in line. I love it. So so when you're hanging out with Robert W. Morgan or Robert is this around the same time they went on art Bell and and that classic interviewer Is that different? That's the same time? Oh my goodness? Yeah with bugs wow? Yeah, with bugs down Texas? Right? Yeah, oh my. While he was on art Bell a couple of times with the doing that, he we had the Wall Street Journal fly in a reporter and come out in the woods with us. All the major news, all the major channels in Cleveland area did a We did a press release and we did a interview session with Robert and he went to Kent State and acronew and did all the public speaking. Mantell Williams was another one who had to take time off to fly out to La to do Montell Williams. Yeah, he was pretty popular. Right.

7:58 The thing is, Bob's kind of like the wind. He's there and then he's not. He disappeared for years and then he came back and then now you know, and then he would be gone for a while and then he'd come back into it. And he did that just too because it was so such a caddy group of people, the Bigfoot world. Do you know how that is? They He didn't want to play games with it. He didn't want to participate in that part. He wanted to go about his business and do what he was doing and just leave it at that. I mean there were times we hid from people. He said, Hey, we're going to park our cars here and we're going to drop off here.

8:39 Somebody else is going to park their car here, and you're going to hike back to where we're at, so nobody knows we're here. And we did that to get rid of people hoaxing us, trying to compete with us, coming in on us because we were you know, and if you look at the Bigfoot Pocket Manual, he talks about doing specific things over and over. Let them know you're here, let them know what you're doing, who you are. And I firmly believe that they knew when we were there because of music that we played every time. It was a habitual thing that we got there. We did these things and they knew it was us, so they knew that they weren't in danger. We never ever carried guns in that area. We never provoked them. We gave them areas to where we knew that they were in that we just didn't go. That's their home. You stay there and we're not gonna We're not gonna barge in on your living room.

9:36 It's so important. I think. I think something that the entire community needs to learn is there needs to be a respect when you go into an area and even maybe some kind of communication that hey, you know we're here. Tom Sewooed said, in a way, he's like, hey, you wouldn't just barge into someone's house and put your feet up. You might want to say, is it okay if I come in right? That kind of deal. But I also want to point out that just a footnote. You know Robert W. Morgan, I've met him before at a small town Monsters Monster Freest actually in Canton, and it was really cool to meet him and get my book signed, and he is just a gentleman. Where you know that documentary back in I Want today, he's the seventies filmed out in Cougar, Washington. Is it in Search of Bigfoot?

10:32 Is the name of it? It was change names over the years. Yeah, there are three different times when people bought the rights. True. True. So I'll have links to his book and to his documentary. He's at the point where you know, he doesn't do interviews for we'll say, for certain health reasons, and but he's just got an amazing life and it's such a motivation to me in itself and for what it's worth. Thank you, Robert for everything did over the years. But Glenn, a question for you, so then that kind of kicks you off. But were there any specific times over the years where you were actually did you ever get to that point where you're actually able to have a visual of a big foot in the field or has it been more like class B encounters?

11:19 No, No, No, lots of class B I guess they call them encounters. We've heard whoops, we've heard screams, We've heard you know, the knocking on trees. We've heard all these things. I was telling you the other day. My wife is hiking the Buckeye Trail and they're hiking along and she's here as wood knocks. Well, the friends with her just kept walking, didn't pay any attention to it. She knows what they are, and she's like looking around wondering what's happening. So there's a lot of activity in the area, but the biggest Steve Jones and I was in August of I want to say ninety one. But we were actually at Salt Fork doing our nightly thing that we always do. And Bob another one of the little Bob's, he's like Buddhists part of the time, I think, but he hated the fact that we went fishing. It's like, oh, you're pulling these poor animals out of the lake. They can't breathe. So Bob and he was with another guy in our group at the time. They left to go across the lake on a ridge to sit for the night.

12:28 As soon as he left, Steve and I are like, all right, let's get our fishing stuff out. Bob's down here, so we start. We started unloading our fishing stuff and it's only because we're gonna be here for hours. We're bored, so we're getting our fishing stuff. We walk up to the edge of the lake, set our stuff down and something flies in a rock we assume into the water ahead of us, a big splash. We've been here for nine months to a year doing it, working with this family or group of bigfoot, and we're walking back to the truck. I said, at least we're going to be entertained tonight. He said, yeah, it seems like one of those nights. And we took the rest of our stuff back up to the lake and another rock came find it.

13:13 I said, Steve, that didn't come from the woods. That came from the road. Now, this road was actually at Hassigs Cave and so forth, but the road dead ends into the water and at the time now there's like a cable goes across one once you drive down or anything, but nothing was there at that point. You know, that was before bigfooting was cool, and you know, I got stories all over the place, so they used to throw us out. But anyway, we uh, I said, Steeve, that came from down the road a little bit. That's not up in the woods. He says, yeah. I said, let's walk down there. So Steve and I started walking down and for some reason we weren't talking or anything, but we both turned our flashlights on at the same time, and there he was. He was standing fifteen yards ten yards away in the middle of the road looking at us.

14:14 And I remember one of the you know, people like why did you get a picture? I'm telling you right now, getting a picture was the last thing on my mind. I didn't know whether to run, poot my pants. What I was, you know, it was this is It was crazy. But I do remember watching it take a breath and thinking, for a split second's not going to be any more oxygen to breathe after it breathed that in, because it was so big and the breath you could hear it, and it was it just looked at us, didn't snarl, didn't growl, didn't, you know, try to intimidate or anything else.

14:58 It was kind of it sounds stupid, but it was kind of one of those we got our flashlights on it, We're looking at it, and it was kind of like, Okay, this is what you came for. Take your good look, you're done. Great. Turned around and walked up a hill that you can't walk up, but it walked up like it was going up the you know, steps to the bedroom. And I remember turning, taking two steps, turning back, taking two more steps, looking at Steve, saying Steve, He's like, I know, and he gets on a radio and he starts yelling, Bob, Bob, Bob. We have a sighting. We have a sighting. And I'm still running in a circle. I have no idea what I'm doing. You know, the panic, they're adrenaline, everything that's going on, and it was just total chaos in those few seconds afterwards.

15:52 Oh wow, that that is. That is one of when I'm thinking of, like, if I'm ever privileged enough to have a sitium in Dad is just like, that's right there. I mean, that's that's closer than the length of a tennis court, right, I mean, it's. Within thirty see, yeah, thirty to forty people. It was. It was definitely And like I said, it's it's hard to explain how you feel at that point, but afterward, I mean, it's just you have such an adrenaline kick and rush. I mean I was a fireman, I was a cop. You know, go play guns with bad guys and you know, going to burning buildings. Always go. You know, it's never too hot, it's never too scary. You just go and do it. You get this big adrenaline rush.

16:42 And then when I retired, you know, I replaces it a little bit. But you know, this was one of those times where you had to calm yourself, take a couple of breasts, think about everything, you know. And he has since passed on, but Steve was a great guy to witness it with. He was he was the host of w N I R K N R N I R of the Outdoor Hunting and Fishing Show, and that's how we got involved with him. He interviewed Bob and wanted to talk to you know, I listened to a show at work every night, so once I got in contact him, he wanted to interview Bob and he fit right in with us.

17:34 I love that. That's such a cool story. So after you get Bob on the radio, were you able to track anything down or was it just lost to We. Didn't track anything. Now we Bob came over and you know, it was back in the video cameras that were on your shoulder type thing. I remember him videotape of me sitting on a pic bench. Asked me what you see and I'm like yelling him, hey, I know what it's all it was. You know, He's like, stop yelling at me and tell me what you know. And those that's there's a I'm still in the process of working trying to get some of these videos. There's a lot of video of us doing our research and stuff that is in Pennsylvania right now with the guy who's taking care of Bob. And if you go online on Facebook, I think it's the Robert Morgan project. He has that that you can communicate with Bob look at some of the videos and stuff like that. But there was a video on there that I watched and took me two times to realize that's me and my wife. I mean, that's how long ago it was, you know how different we were.

18:49 But we talked about it. We it wasn't really safe for us to go walking in the woods in the condition is even I were in right then, But we also didn't want to pursue it to let him know, Hey, you let us see you. You came out here and talked to us. We're not going to chase you. Thank you. You know, we're not chasing you up through the woods tonight. Whether that was the right thing or wrong thing to do now, I don't know. Listen what an account Mike Gonnas suit. Were you able to see any details of the face in that encounter?

19:33 Yeah, yeah, it was a typical you know what everybody long hair, hairy everywhere, not in the face as much had you know, all the way across head hair, But it wasn't so thick that you couldn't see skin, dark eyes, flatter nose, brow, ridge, conical type head, all the basic things. But like I said, the thing I remember most is when it took a breath, And like I said, for that, and I don't know why I was stupid to have that thought for this, but second, like he's gonna suck so much air out that I'm not going to have any to breathe.

20:15 And I remember the biggest thing I thought of was Mighty's big. Now I've sat on the flour sheets for the cavaliers and I've seen these guys, and these guys are monster human beings, you know, just huge. They didn't compare. I mean they didn't compare. And it was more than just it being tall, close to eight feet tall. It was the mass and the size that it could have walked through and hurt anything that it wanted to. And there were times before that that, you know, Steve and I would lay down. He had one of those trucks and back in the nineties he had those aluminum caps they go on the back of your pickup truck up well, Steve and I would sleep in the back of his truck sometimes and as soon as we charch fall asleep, a stick or something would come flying out of the woods and land on top of that cap. Well, it's like a gong bell in your ear at that, you know.

21:13 So we had interaction there. They'd come down throw something and then you'd hear something run up in the woods up the hill. A lot of awl sounds, a lot of you know, different bird imitations that weren't birds. We we used to I used to hike a couple of miles. They would drop me off at the top of the hill and I would hike down through the horse trail back to the where everybody was sleeping, and you would have them following you, and it was normal for them to do that. We actually had interactions with this group, this particular group of. Bigfoot, my goodness, based on what you saw on it, you experienced. Would you just tribe what you saw that day as something more ape like or human or not even able to put in either camp?

22:09 You know what, I think. I hate using the word ape because I don't think they're apes. I think they're people. You know, every time I go to a talk at somewhere, they say, okay, well what are they? I don't know? They are what they are, and that's what I tell them. I said. It sounds like a cop out, but it's not. They're not okay, what as a human though almost you know, they're not us. But they're not a monkey that's overgrown either.

22:49 You know, you can they obviously are better at this than we are because we haven't, you know, got a hold of any they are who they are? They a mix? Maybe I don't know. I just know that they they're a special group. I agree. It's still one of the great the great mysteries of the world. Even even if certain evidence is proved wrong. We still have the personal experience, we have the thousands of witness reports, and we have the oral tradition passed down in multiple First Nations tribes over the years, and you can't discount that. So that's that's kind of how we'll will address certain things that are going on the news right now recently.

23:40 And that's I was thinking about that in the shower, and it's like, you know, it's terrible for the It's not either way, it doesn't matter. I you know, what happened back in sixty seven did not change what happened to me in two thousand and one exactly. And there are way too many people two that have seen this, and I'm still not convinced by anything that's going on, and we'll have to wait and see one. Can do you mind, h Do you mind talking a few minutes about how the Ohio Squatch Project came to be and what the goal of the group is and what you guys have done so far?

24:24 Sure? Sure, I uh, I got out of it for a little bit. I have two daughters, and when I got out of it, I kind of stayed back and you know, followed on the internet that type of stuff. I still went out and did some hiking and stuff like that, not to the extent that I did when I was, you know, a lot younger. I did that because of society. Society, you know, as a whole, looks at us like we're idiots, and I'm okay with that. Everyone will to be an idiot, you know, people looking at us and you believe in Bigfoot, you believe, okay.

25:11 You know. I did that to protect my daughters. I didn't want them to have the dad in middle school that was, you know, out looking for Bigfoot. So I didn't get in the media. I didn't do it. You know. I was offered a couple of times to do shows and things like that, and I turned them all down because I didn't. I didn't want to be whether because of my beliefs and because what I think is real. I didn't want to impact my daughters and their thoughts and their friends and everything else. So I just stayed out of it. I started going to the Ohio Bigfoot Conference, and I came up with this idea. I don't know if you even know about the squad stick.

25:57 I've seen it before, okay, photo. I came up with that idea when I was working with Morgan on the top of Hassick's cave. One time. We had a wood knock and He's like answer, answer, answer. So I'm trying to pick up I'm picking up trees, I'm picking up rotten stumps and everything, and I couldn't get a knock back. So I started making those sticks called the squatch stick. I went to one of the obc's and sold out, and I was making these out in the garage and my wife came out the one day said what are you doing. I said, I'm making a stick to knock on trees to alert big Food that you're there. She said, you're what I told her again, and she looked at me says, you know what, You're an idiot, and if anybody buys this, they're an idiot.

26:51 I'm like, oh, fair enough. So I sold out, gave her the money, and now I'm not such an idiot. But we started making that. They used them on Animal Planet with the Finding Bigfoot show. Okay, those are the same ones that they used on Finding Bigfoot. Really, that is fascinating. Renee got a hold of me actually because I talked to one of her producers who saw me at a show. I gave him a stick to give to them. They got a hold of me and wanted to use them. So that's what Cliff and Bobo and you know, they told me stories that you know, Bobo had somebody on staff to keep track of his stick because he would leave it everywhere he went. But Cliff used it on a couple of his shows that he did, and anyway, it became pretty popular and so we sell those and I needed a website to do it. So I thought, ohio a squatch project that keeps me located local, and found out quickly that running a website is not something you can do once a month. No, and like what you're doing, I just don't. And that's where Jeff started taking over the website. And now he's running it, putting more stuff on it, more pictures, and we're trying to get it up and going a little a little more than we did. But I was running it because I just I'm not that guy either.

28:16 So that's cool and so well, I guess this might come up and when we get to our next segment. But you guys are also I know you have this last week. You're going out as a group to certain things, areas and investigating, et cetera. Right right, And you know the initial I guess purpose for having this website was, you know, somebody's gonna call me and say, hey, I have a big foot chained up in the backyard, come and investigate. And that never actually happened. So that's what you know. We wanted to hear some sightings. Wanted to do this, and there's so much involved in it. I started looking at BFROS website, which has hundreds and thousands and somebody's doing crazy amount of work on that website. But you know they post all the sightings and you try to look at those and what you get and go from there. Got a little more time since I've retired, and I have some guys to come help me. Now that you know, that's what I actually reached out to you at the one time.

29:31 I said, hey, I'm here if you need anything, love to go work out or go look at some of these things. I'm close, And that's what I wanted. I think it's awesome to hear about sightings in West Virginia, Washington, Oregon, Indiana and all these other places. Let's be honest, I'm not going to travel that far on a whim because somebody saw someone across the road. It's just not possible. You know, I have family, I've got people here that I have to take care of my dogs. You know, just life is going on. So you know that was part But you know, you and I have managed to catch a big one. I guess what you.

30:17 It's it's it. You know, we'll get to that story in a minute or two, but it is. Uh. I just wanted to lay that foundation where there are so many questions right now, where do you have a guy that's or do you have an individual that's helping you? Like are you just letting all this slide? And like what's with the guy that you're working with? Like this is Glenn and so you can see his background who he worked with, who was an incredible Robert W. Morgan's incredible and individual in the Bigfoot space knows this stuff. So Glenn knows this stuff. He's he's had a class a sighting. Uh, he knows knows what he's doing. So it is in I would say it's in great hands.

31:00 No, I just and you again. You We've had these conversations with us before that there are different types of people that want to do research, those who said at the computer, those who you know, and we've ran into some of these people during these investigations that are calling themselves researchers that you look at and like, okay, you go, do you And there are people that I would love to work with and there. But the biggest thing is I don't think that I'm that guy that is off my rocker type thing, you know, Like I said, I was a cop, I was a ranger, I was a firefighter, paramedic.

31:47 I have a family, my wife's got multiple science degrees. We it's hard to and I was having this conversation last night with somebody in the field of law enforcement. It's hard to get yourself away from that typical persona of bigfoot researcher into normal person, you know, because you walk up the cop or somebody like that, Hey, I'm looking for bigfoot. Great, could you walk this line for me and tell me that you're sober while you're doing it. It's a very fine line of crazy not crazy, and you're not.

32:32 Yet dance in the edge so so that being said is your skills have definitely come into play. Having those prior law enforcement investigative skills in the non bigfoot and in the bigfoot world, it makes for quite the combination which has really gotten some interesting Uh there's been some interesting results because of it. But you know, Glenn, what I would like, do you mind just kind of sharing with us your experience so far through the beginning of this.

33:14 I mean, how you even knew like I should reach out to this guy right away? Like, how did you how did you know to reach out so early? I don't know. I honest to god, I don't know. I've seen your podcasts and things like that. I don't do a lot of them as far. I've given interviews. Don't get me wrong, but I don't listen to a lot of them because at some point you're just like, you know, I don't know. And right. It was weird because I don't usually reach out like that saying hey, if you need something, I'm a hero, and if you do, you don't usually hear back from them because a lot of people, and here's the unique thing about this is a lot of people that are doing this type of thing are very protective, you know, of their lawn. It's like, you know, you're not going to come over and pee on my lawn. I you know this is mine. I'm not going to tell you anything, but I want you know. So a lot of those conversations don't go very far. And it was weird that yours and I did. But when I saw I can't explain to you, Like I said, I don't usually do that, but I know the area. I've investigated things up there before.

34:41 The one guy who started working with me, his name is Mike, and he told me years and years and years ago, probably ten, fifteen, twenty years ago, whatever it was, he was in that area at night doing geocash and he had something screamed at him and he had no idea what it was at the point, so he uh told me the story and it was just like, oh, that's, you know, kind of weird that there's been a lot of sightings in that area and he happened to have one or an encounter and it could have been a bobcat, it could have been something else. I'm not saying it was bigfoot, but it was just one of those extra bit of story, I guess.

35:29 And was that around man Away or just yeah, region around. The Raven Arsenal that's up there as always always always intrigued people. And you. I had that conversation. I was talking to it and for some reason, I said, talking about the Arsenal, and she said, you know what, that's just a weird place. They do things there that we don't know about and they don't want us to know about. And to be honest with you, I don't think I want to know about what they're doing there, which just adds to the whole mystique of the Arsenal.

36:12 Let's throw a huge allegedly in there too, yes, sorry, alleged, Yeah, because my goodness, there are people going to watch a huge. But yeah, I remember that came up in our conversation early. You were like, You're like, you're pretty much like be aware of this area that the arsenal. Well, I got drawn. They have a real big deer population in the Arsenal itself, and every year, like every weekend, they have a controlled hunt. You know, those are they want people come in and call the population a deer down, a huge deer. There's a deer called Hole in the Horn that was killed right outside the fence it's a ravenna arsenal that's a world record type deer. But they have a large population. They want you to come in.

37:08 They want you to kill all these deer. Every weekend they have a gun hunt there to try to kill them. Well, when you get there in the morning, you have to get there at like five am, and you go to this big hallway it's an empty barracks like building, and they tell you I've done this a couple of times, and they tell you you know, you're going to be taken to an area by a chaperone and dropped off. You're not allowed to leave that area. You're not allowed to take any cameras, you're not allowed to take any photos, you're not allowed to pick up anything, you're allowed to not allowed to take anything out, you're not allowed to wonder from where you're supposed to be. And real, real, real strict, I mean real. It's just one of those Okay, it's a munitions area, but are they really leaving you know, bombs outside in the middle of the field that they don't.

37:59 Want because it's it's federally owned, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody told me recently that Trump talked about it. There is last run a president or this one that they've talked about, and it was actually selected because northeast Ohio, and I don't know if you know this or not, we're horrible when it comes to sunshine. We're second only to like Seattle, Washington when it comes to overcast skies. So no spice adellites or anything you could pick up what we had at Ravenna because it's always cloudy. Oh, that's really interesting. That's a great piece of information right there. Okay, So I think that's great because and there's other areas where I mean, I think I know West Branch State Park, there is a history of activity over there. We can so these these are south of the sighting reports, right.

39:02 And you've got a lot of those south West Branch, Berlin. I've had sightings at Walbourne Reservoir, Deer Creek Reservoir, and these are all reservoirs that drained into the Ohio River. They're meant to maintain the level of the Ohio River to be able to keep shipping going during the summertime when drought occurs. So a lot of times these lakes are very low or depending on what the water levels needed. Down Street. Gotcha. So as as we've gone along this last week, pretty much how it would work is if I was at the point where I would be able to get a phone call from a witness, and then I would talk to them and just to make sure things felt pretty good, and then I would be Okay, would you like to talk to local bigfoot researcher that I've been talking to so he can check things out and maybe look for tracks, et cetera. And there are a few of these individuals, not all of them, but definitely maybe a few that you're able to to talk to over the last few days. Are there any any events you can share from from checking out these properties?

40:23 Yeah, and that was very helpful you talking to them, like pre screening. I didn't run into the crackpots that sometimes I run into. And I don't mean that a negative. Some people just want to like watch this. I'm gonna get a big foot researcher out here to look at my property, and nothing's happened, but let's pull them. Okay, that's fun. Great, glad you had fun, but you know that's not fun for us. I was in Washington, d C. Six seventh and eight, and I remember coming back and this was like really peaking, and you and I talked and I got the guys together. I think it was Tuesday night. We were heading up north from where we were to investigate the man Away Trail, the one I forget the name of the.

41:15 Trailhead, Oh, is that the one over in Garrettsville, the Headwaters Trail. Direct Headwaters Track, And Mike had actually geo cashed that trail before, so he knew where we were going. And we actually got to this intersection in Porters County and I turned left to head down the road and you called me and said, Hey, where you're at. I said, well, we're almost at the trailhead. You knew where were going there. I said, we're six minutes out. And I said, well, I don't know if you're interested or not. But in the last hour there was another sighting and she saw it in the front yard within the last well, was it like seven o'clock. Then at six o'clock is when she saw it somewhere in that timeframe, and I'm like, where's Jeff, who was sitting in the front seat with me, was typing in your phone as you were talking, and he's like, you're eight minutes away. I'm like, we'll be there in eight minutes. And we hadn't even called the lady yet. We were right down the road. So we ended up going there, and we pulled into this road and we get out and she comes out and starts talking, and we're trying to slow her down a little bit and.

42:31 Get a younger individual or the older one the younger one. And because she and the lady who had the sighting was actually still in the house looking out the window at us, like I don't want to go out there. She wanted nothing to do with us. So I asked her, I said, you know, that's what she come to find out, that's her mom. I said, can you ask your mom to come out here and talk to me? And she said, yeah, hold on, and she went back and got her mom. Mom came out and pointed out where everything was. It was about one hundred yard eighty to one hundred yards probably from her house. But they had the big, big front window. Look it out. She's sitting watching TV. And you know, as we were talking, it's like, how many times does this lady look out this window? You know, in her lifetime, millions looked out saw something walk from the edge of the woods. There was a clear area, and that's where it didn't come out of the woods.

43:32 It walked along the edge of the woods, inside the woods. But they had a tornado a couple of years ago and all the trees in that little area had been cleared out. They cut away, and the guy who owns the property cleaned it up real well. So it didn't walk out of the woods. It stayed in the woods, but it walked through the opening and stayed back and then went back down into the swampy area where the brush was. Art was pretty believable. It didn't come out, you know, and dance a jigger or anything, telling hey, I'm here. But she was definitely and she made the comment to me, which was really funny because of what you had that comment made to you you talked about on another podcast of I don't know what I saw, but I saw it. It's there, And she doesn't believe, right right, she's a non believer. Her daughter's a believer.

44:29 Her daughter's into it. Her daughter has all the books, which you know people have. I've been questioned by other people from other groups, well, how do you know this is legit or why is all of a sudden he getting all the information. Like, guys, you start talking about state dinners at your house and state dinners start popping up on your cellphone. What happened was the lady she worked in man Away, her friends saw the Man Away sighting, sent her to link to your show. She popped it up on her phone, watched what was going on. So what's going to come up on her phone next time? Same thing? So you were the first thing that popped up on her phone after she had seen the Man a Way sighting. So it was very or easy to understand why if she called you, and why you're the person getting called because you were you know.

45:24 And I want to Actually, that is a really good thing to bring up. So we'll pause for a second because a lot of people have been like, why is Bigfoot society getting the only person getting these and not this outlet or this outlet. Guys, it's because I use social media that is newer, and the algorithm on TikTok is so incredibly strong. And what happened was those algorithms went insane, and then different news outlets started picking it up, and then major news outlets and international news outlets, and it was a domino effect. So that's the easiest way to explain it was that that happened. And that's why it happened, man, you know, and I think that that's why a lot of people that have the bigger websites were questioning things like, well, why is he getting all this stuff and we're not because he's the one who started it and his sign is coming up first. Yeah, that's the way it is.

46:23 Also, I did not I just want to say I didn't ask for this, and I'd rather just hang out in my studio room and talk to witnesses alter instead of having to do interviews. So but uh, let's let's get back to did you good with your phone call? Uh? Yeah, we'll talk about this later. It's actually from the conversation we had last night. It's a response to that. Oh geez, that's funny. That's funny. Okay, So let's continue that we have paused during the Windham sighting. Sorry, And this is probably what's been happening to Glenn. I would think during this week is he's just getting some interesting calls, so I can only imagine. But so back to Wyndham.

47:16 So you're you're talking to the daughter and the mother, and you were kind of explaining how how the daughter is definitely into Bigfoot, but the the mother is, uh, definitely a skeptic. And the way she said that to me was, I'm trying to remember the exact way she said, I know what I saw, but I'm not sure what I saw, which is kind of a It's very interesting. These people have really been going through a lot. But continue with your. Base. Oh yeah, you know. She says it was a reddish, you know, uh, light brown, and they have a one of those type dogs that was running around with us, great dog that it was a tan color. And I said, oh, like this, and she says, no, it's a little darker, which you know, and we've gotten black brown, you know, all kinds of colors now, a lot of that is the one. There's always been more than one big Foot. They never travel alone, and Bob Boys told me that that they are never alone. Now, when I say alone, I don't mean hand in hand.

48:29 I mean within a hundred and two hundred and three hundred yards of each other. Number two, With the light and shadows and different times of day that we have right now, that sunshine on a dog or on any animal is going to reflect a different color at certain times of the day. So yeah, that never bothers me when they well, I saw a black one, I saw a red one over here, okay, the one. It could be two animals or two people, or it could just be the way the sun is coming through the trees and reflects off of that to you know, make that color appear to be that way to a person. So I never got too much in the color when people calling them out on, well, you can't have two different.

49:22 You okay, yeah, right, okay, interesting. Interesting when you were there, was there anything you notice? That's a question I've been getting a lot, I guess I should say, is that, you know, are you guys finding anything, any evidence anything when this is being investigated that you know or you know, people just really want to know what's going on boots on the ground. I guess that's what I'm getting over and over. Right, And there wasn't anything that we were sent some pictures of supposed prints. I have a real hard time with them. I didn't. Yeah, And you know, just because there's deer traction doesn't mean there's deer there all the time either. But just because there's not deer tracks doesn't mean deer aren't going through there either. So you know, the ground was a lot harder than I thought it was going to because we had been raining and I thought, man, that'll be really nice getting some soft ground. And we tried like heck to make some tracks jump up and down in our boots, and it didn't make any in print at all. So I wasn't surprised to not find tracks.

50:38 I was. There are some things that we look for when we go in the woods that Bob taught us about, structures, different things like that. We look at a map and see, well, how does it get from point A to point B? Look at this, There's a nice little corridor for it to go through. There's a railroad track there, there's power lines that go through there. There's different stuff that you know, we look at could have beat you absolutely. And again we you know, we pointed out some places where we thought it was going to go, and when we left there that night, within two miles of where it was, we ran right into where we thought it would go that we talked about days.

51:22 Before, which is wild. How that's that's a great thing to point out, is that you ask, we've been talking quite a bit over the last few weeks. The last week, you have pretty much been able to say, uh, it's going here next, and then I'll be like, hey, Glenn, got a call for you. Guess guess where the sighting was next? Yeah, it's there, Like it's it's wild how you have had a really good forecast, which we haven't been putting out there because we don't want to. You don't want to influence things right. Right, and you know people are like, well, you got to go investigate everything, and you and I I don't want to sound like a prude or anything, but you can chase them all you want to. You're not going to catch them. Sure, Yeah, you know if you tell me at that point a B and then C. I've got to be a D or E. I can't go to A B or street because they're gone. They're not there anymore.

52:21 You gotta be a step ahead if you can, if. A step ahead, and guess correctly and hope that they're there because, like I said, unless you know within the hour, heck, yeah, I'm going to that call because if it's taking a nap or chilling out, I want to be there when A wakes up. Yeah, a day two days afterward, you're back to being cold. I mean you're not. You're looking at places that it was instead of places it's going to be, and only because you know, I wasn't predicting the future. I was predicting where the others sightings have been in the past and saying, hey, I know that they go here, here, and here. I know there's legitimate sightings here, here, and here. It's moving this way.

53:11 You know, how were you able to forecast that it would probably follow the sightings would follow a certain direction. Is there a maybe a do they usually follow a river in this area or or what was it that gave you that clue? There are there are rivers, and there are pathways. I guess what would call them. I hate using the word migration route because it's not like a migration. It's when they're going from point A to point B. Now, you and I talked about what caused all these sightings this quick? Why are they having them? And I told you I think that you need to look at what a sighting needs to happen to have a sighting, and you need a big foot, of course, which is pretty rare. You need people out there. That's why salt Fork is such a big place for sightings is because it's one of the most populated state parks in the state of Ohio.

54:20 You have a huge lake, you have a huge amount of woods, and a huge number of visitors, and all these people are put in there, and you have bigfoot. They go through that area. Sometimes they hang out in that area. And when you mix it two, the more people you have looking for something, the more likely you're going to find it. What you had was kind of a you know, I don't know how you needle in a haystack situation where you had bigfoot that they would walk through here this time of year and usually in Ohio and Northeast Ohio at the beginning of March, it's not really a hospitable place. I mean it was all of a sudden, she had like three or four days of seventy degree weather. Everybody and their brother was outside walking these trails. Everybody and their brother were out there getting air and getting some fresh air and stuff because they hadn't. But you go outside now we have two or three inches of snow on the ground, so that you have a window of all these people at warm in Ohio. We've got to get outside yeah, and that's what we do. You know, it's not an everyday thing.

55:35 But you had thousands of people and the outdoors hiking trails getting the fresh air that they haven't gotten in months, and you have bigfoot crossing them, and now all of a sudden, you have a perfect storm. That's incredible. So really, what you're kind of saying, and just let me know if I heard this right, is that this movement happens every year, but the humans haven't been out to see the movement happen. That's the only thing I could think of. Yeah, now I've gotten out because I've gotten a lot of reports even north of where you're at now, and they said early early spring. I'd love to tell you the name of the place, but I can't really. Back when I was working with Bob, we got about this laces every for about a week. We have these abandoned railroad tracks behind my house, and for about a week every spring we hear hows and whoops and stuff like that, and then it goes away, and then the next spring we hear the same thing. So they're moving through there, and you know there's been movement all over you know that northeast Ohio and whether it's that week or that month, or just that time that they felt like doing it.

56:54 I don't think things were expected to be so nice to introduce all this huge population of people being outside. So I think that's one of the most logical explanation theories I've heard so far. That and the mushrooms are starting to come into season. Did you so? I didn't tell you this before, but there so, I'm getting a lot of emails right now because of what happened in northeast Ohio a few hours ago. Did you see that meteorite come down? So everyone, we're getting out of there. I like your theory a little bit better. But well, I'm.

57:36 Hoping that I'm not going out in the woods with meteorites. There's something that. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, no meteorites. Guys, careful out there, but good stuff. So did you have any other thoughts on the window investigation. No, I think that they're telling the truth, okay, just because we can't find tracks or we just you know, I believe talking to people and hearing things from them up close and personal is important to an investigation to know the truth or not. I have investigated, you know, plenty to where I knew that they were lying, and sure, yeah, I hate to say that they were lying, but they weren't being truthful. And it's happened a lot of times.

58:30 Were you guys able to go back to Headwaters at all after that? No? Okay, No, I know that that place has been super active, and I don't even know if it'd be worth investigating right now because there's so many it's so accessible, right like right. And yeah, once some of the other places started getting I mean, you know I talked about there's actually the one of the people who sent us the call, and you know, I don't fault them for it. They wanted somebody to come out, and we weren't those people. Then they contacted other people, and you know, I've had those people call me and say, hey, I've talked to your witness, and I'm like, okay, great, you know have that it.

59:12 I don't believe going back there. It's like if you tell everybody you know, free Hamburgers and McDonald's, right, you go buy McDonald's, that's going to be busy. This is this is a really actually another good footnote to put in here. So when you have a situation like this that has so much media presence on it, and like people looking at it like this is back. It feels like it's back in the nineteen seventies, even though I wasn't around, And like, so people need to realize you have bigfoot researchers from all over the US coming in and like, all this investigation going on, and we're not going to know the whole story probably for years because some of these people probably they won't even talk about maybe what they found. And that's just how it is with some people in the community. And so you have all this investigation going on at the same time.

1:00:02 And so I just have a connection with Glenn because I've been, you know, talking to him through this. And the funny thing about that one is I remember getting up for school one day and my dad showing me, who was like maybe late elementary or early middle school, showing me the headlines of paper Bigfoot in Minerva. Oh wow, And I'm. Like, where's Minerva. Yeah, I was. This was when we lived in Porties Lakes area, and I'm like, where's Minerva And he told me, and he's like, you want to go, I'll drive you there. I'm like, no, I'm good. You know.

1:00:43 I was a teenager at the time. I was more interested. I'm not gonna be able to talk to my girlfriend tonight if I go to Minerva. So but and I never told you this, and I meant too. I just conversations. Let other places I'd met with that family. I wentt with them several times. Bob was actually there during that flat and Bob took me there back in nineteen ninety one or ninety two, and we sat in their living room in or a kitchen area, right by the window where they saw it the first time, and had coffee with them for two hours.

1:01:26 Oh my goodness. So I learned a lot about what happened. Later, when I was a ranger, I met a deputy that told me. I ended up being partnered with a retired deputy in Stark County that was on the scene of those calls. So, oh man, it was one. Of those I wasn't old enough to be involved. But I really ended up learning a lot from every aspect of it, from Bob, you know, taking me the end of the woods there, from the interviews to the police talking to me. You know, my partner and I had nothing else to talk about dinner, So you're just telling me what you know his opinions. Part of the deputies saying, oh, no, it was fake. Part of the deputies are like, I ain't going back here at night ever. No, So it was sorry to spring this on.

1:02:19 You, like, no, no, this is incredible because it just proves even more how you're one thousand percent the right person to be involved with this since you were also had that that caught that common Uh you know that that connection with the Minerva. I started by there all the time, not all the time. It's so cool. Yeah, I actually had to be three years ago. Four years ago, maybe I stopped buying. Talked to him a little bit, and she says, well, there's still some activity goes on, especially around the fourth of July. They liked the fireworks, right, okay, okayo fourth of July?

1:03:05 Yeah, exactly? Were there any other uh so right now the public ones go through Lake Milton on the tenth. Were there any others that you were able to investigate. In that most of them? I talked to a couple of them on the phone. Again, I don't think they're lying, but again I think that we're too late and were there. What happened, right was not something that you know it was just staying there. It was passing through there, and they saw it passing through, and it wouldn't be a whole lot of good for us to waste time and resources doing that.

1:03:48 Makes sense, makes total sense, man, yep. And I hate to I hate to be that way. I just you know, and I told you before what I was really looking for, And yeah, chasing things around that aren't there anymore, it's just wasting time, effort, resources everything else too. You're you're wanting something that's more substantial. It's been in the same area for a long time, and it's like in that you said, like the term habituation, right. Something like that, And that's what it was when I worked with Bob, when we saw it.

1:04:28 Oh, it makes sense. Okay. We dealt with that family for so long and they got to know us, and they got to experience us as well as we got to experience them. We left it stuff we traded, not traded, but I guess traded would be you know, we would leave stuff at a site, come back and there'll be stuff there. We found a baby doll woven out of grape vines. Again, I think that's just in Pittsburgh. I'm still trying to work it out to go see that. Yeah exactly. Yeah, yeah, you know. One of the weirdest things that we saw when I was with Bob were turkey feathers, large turkey feathers. We would walk up a trail, drop something or do whatever, walk back down the trail and there would be a turkey feather stuck upright in the mud, right in the middle of the trail that we just walked out.

1:05:25 That's wild, man. I've heard that from other witnesses a lot actually over the years. That's really interesting. Were there any other individuals that you were able to check out, like Lake Milton or anything? I thought not in Lake Milton nothing. Lake Milton was extremely populated the other day. That makes sense on and not by just a general public. There are a lot of groups and investigators that were at Lake Milton Lake. Oh yeah, yeah, you could tell. I saw it on Facebook that they a bunch of them were I was at, Like, no, and I think I found tracks, well the pictures or whatever they were posting. No, I didn't think there are tracks, but I wasn't.

1:06:14 There, so and this is a great example of why then. So this will address another question which a lot of listeners would be like, well, there are these public reports and then there's been nothing, and so it's not like it stopped. It's just at this point there's so much attention on it. Is that so I'm giving Glenn information and he's able to investigate these areas and not have to worry about cross contamination from people that are just like, let me check it out or other researchers, and it makes things much easier on Glenn, I would say. And that's a common thing that.

1:06:55 Yeah. I was talking to Mark de Werth the other day and he showed me I looked at his website or Facebook page and somebody got on there said, oh, look the bigfoot are headed down as Salt Fork for OBC coming up in May. Then Mark even he even put on there, says the last place in the world a bigfoot wants to be is OBC Salt Work on OBC weekend with all you guys outside chasing at it, howling at it, knocking on trees and everything else. And we kind of laughed about it. It's like, could you imagine going up knock on a three outside your hotel room and I guarantee you're going to get six answers.

1:07:35 You know you're going to get whoops all over the whoop fest. Ever. Yeah, that's just how it is. But a great, great event for sure. Oh it is. And you laugh about it because he says, the last thing I need is advertisement, you know. Oh he doesn't. Yeah, it's everyone knows about it, but. You don't want to. And it's not that we're keeping secrets and I hate that thought, but we are keeping secrets because we're trying to look into something that you know. We don't want people to tarnish not you know, or or cause any issues with what we're looking into. We don't want there to be any other variables.

1:08:17 It's been a learning experience, definitely for me because I've never lived through anything like this, and uh yeah, it's it's been a learning experience for sure. But so those are kind of the public things right now and what's the what's the plan for the future, Glenn? As you go along looking at these things and talking to people. We're gonna still go to a couple of places that I think were you need to go look at after the fact or not. I'm sorry, we need to go to some instead of A B and C. We need to get to E and F right exactly, and I don't want to tarnish n F until we get there and make sure that they're clear and you know, nothing that I have to worry about.

1:09:05 But also I'm waiting to hear from anything else because that will tell me how far ahead they are. I think that's a great way to put it. It is a little cryptic, but it needs to be. And Glenn Atkins with the Ohio Squatch Project, is been awesome to finally get you on so that we could have face to face talk about your background, talk about what's public from your viewpoint, and just thank you so much for spending some time on the show. This will be a special episode, and thank you so much for hanging out well. Thank you, it's been great working with you. You just can't give me all these sightings and expect me to jump on the show too. I can't do both.

1:09:47 I know it's it's it's unprecedented times, isn't it. Let's get together this day. It's like, dude, you told me to go here. What do you want? What do you want? Yeah? Good stuff, good stuff, good stuff. Thank you for Chatt and glenns have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity around Oakridge, Oregon, and you think to yourself, Man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it for myself. Well, guess what This year you can. If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's going to be even better than the previous year's. Reason number one, I'll be one of the speakers. It's gonna be wild. I'll probably I'll say this. There may be stuff you haven't heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well, you just got to be there. We'll leave it that more about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can not only go to the festival, but you can also sign up for a track deep in the wild forest outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the bigfoot spots

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