Glowing-Eyed Skunk Ape Stuns Teenagers at Loxahatchee Wildlife Refuge, Florida

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0:42 Thank you all right, Big for Society, You goet the privilege of talking to Carol today. Carol is a individual. She's a human rights activist and author from the Palm Springs, Florida area. But we are talking today about a very interesting experience she had back in the nineteen seventies in Florida. And so Carol, welcome to the show. How are you doing today? Oh? Thanks for having me? How are you doing today. You know, I'm doing all right. We were talking a little bit before things started, and still at the point once this releases, i'll be into treatment. But right now, before treatment, I'm feeling pretty good physically.

1:24 We're just hoping and praying that that continues and not a lot of side effects once treatment starts, but hope and pray for the best, you know. But Carol, this sounds like a very interesting thing you had happened back in the nineteen seventies, but you have some interesting information that even goes further back that you would like to share as well. Right, Yeah, Yeah, we live on the edge of the Northern Everglades here in Palm Beach County. One of the well known sites is called the Locks that had Wildlife Refuge, and that's where many of the sidings in and around that area is. There's a big park there. There's actually scientists doing air, water and soil samples there, so it's kind of like it's kind of like Skunkate Central. So I guess I'll just go into the incidents that led up to the siding that my friends and I had up in the summer of nineteen seventy seven. So we're starting out with two sheriff's deputies called Marvin Lewis and Ernie Milner, and this was in the Lantana area in nineteen seventy four, and apparently they had come face to face with a rather large skunk ape I guess. I

2:55 guess it was very aggressive towards them. They took a shot at it. I do believe they gret and then I think it ran off into the woods. And then there was it was like a spate of different encounters. And then the second one is a gentleman by the name of Buddy Starrett. He was a farmer in Lantana, Florida, and this was also I think September of nineteen seventy four, and he came face to face with skuncpe in his barnyard, which proceeded to pick up one of his one hundred pound hogs and run off into the woods with it.

3:39 So that was very shocking for that poor gentleman. And then there was another incident right after that in Wellington, Florida, which is the equestrian center kind of like well I guess of the world actually, and it was a gentleman by the name of Carrie Canter, and I think he was a security guard in a wealthy neighborhood in the equestrian center, and an aggressive skuncatee came out of the woods, and I guess he came face to face with it, and he took a shot at it and apparently wounded it, and then I guess it just ran back off into the marsh. So those were the you know, those were the very credible sightings, you know, that led up to the sighting that my friends and I had, which fast forwards to August of nineteen seventy seven. We were just a bunch of hippies in Boynton Beach, Florida, which is where the Locks of Hatchie Wildlife Refuge is. It's a very well known place, and we had a rope swing out there, you know, just a bunch of kids, you know, having fun doing flips into the water. Sometimes there would be fifty two, one hundred of us, you know, that would go out there and just hang out in the summertime.

5:08 And in this balmy August day in nineteen seventy seven, we're just having a good time and it was getting to be around dusk and me and my two friends were packing up and my girlfriend, my girlfriend looks up to the tree line, which is about I don't know, maybe twelve maybe twelve or fourteen yards away from where we were standing, Like the tree line was on the edge of the marsh. And she looked up and she goes, y'all, what is that? And there was a eight foot auburn colored skunk ape that was staring at us. And it was so it was scary and it was comical at the same time because my my two friends and I froze and the skunk a froze and it was like a stand up. We were just standing there staring at each other. I mean, we were so incredibly, so incredibly scared, and this thing had like it was at dusk. This thing had glowing red eyes. And I'll tell you I've never been so scared in my life. And I'll tell you also that ever since that sighting in August of nineteen seventy seven, I've had a lot of supernatural experiences I believe because of that.

6:40 That is absolutely fascinating. Carol. I have a few questions for you. First off, regarding the accounts you were sharing at the beginning. Are those stories that you heard, are those from the newspaper articles you read. Yes, yes, and I did send you the links for. Those, gotcha? Okay, very good. Just wanted to double check on those, so I will have those, I believe. Yeah, you sent a few links in these show notes, so listeners can do some research on on those as well. So you your citing is about fourteen yards away, and what was the what was the do you remember like the muscular structure of what you were looking at? Was it lanky? Was it very muscular?

7:28 What were you talking? He was lanky like he was lanky like a basketball player, kind of like a maybe a Larry Bird or a or Michael Jordan. He wasn't he wasn't fat. He was just tall. He was like a It's like an oak tree. It was very very It reminded me of that movie Scared Stiff. We just we just stood there in suspended animation. We were so so scared. And my girlfriend, my best friend, is the one who spotted him standing in the tree line, right at the edge of the marsh. Okay, so just in the treeline, frozen, eight foot tall, auburn with glowing red eyes.

8:14 Yeah, and very stinky, wet dog and sulfur, mostly sulfur, very sulfur, and I still and it's funny, Jeremiah. Later on as an adult, I became a property manager, and I ended up going and and uh managing the properties where the scientists live out there. Now they're taking water, water and soil and air samples which is going to help to facilitate the rebuilding of the Kassimi River. And so I ended up working for doctor Eric Klein who's running the Lilah Project, which is the land assessment thing how they're trying to restore all of the ecosystem. So it's funny, it's things kept drawing me back to that, to that area. It's really strange.

9:08 That that is a really interesting way that you were able to get back to that area. So you mentioned it was at dusk, So were you able to see details about it? Maybe not one hundred percent because it was dusk or or what what do you feel about that? Yeah, he was very well he was very well defined and very very well capped like not. I mean it looks like he just came out of the marsh. Because that section of the of the everglades, which is called the Locks of Hatchet Wildlife Refuge. I think that section that hooks up to the other million or so is around forty thousand acres, So he came out of like a forty thousand acre like sawgrass marsh. But he didn't look like really messy. He looked like he was pretty well, pretty well, kept pretty well, you know, kept himself, groomed himself well, but very a lot of definition in the chest.

10:07 And I just remember those big glowing coal like they were like glowing glowing coals, you know, on a barbecue. That's all I can remember. It was very, very scary, and we and we went back to my girlfriend's house that night, and we were so terrified we did we didn't. We closed the shades and we didn't want to see anybody or anything, just absolutely frozen with terror. Wow. How old would you and your friends ben around that time? I was fifteen and my friends were eighteen and twenty. Okay, that's that's wild.

10:48 Some witnesses describe what they see as having facial features more human like or sometimes more ape like. Would you describe what you saw towards either one of those or maybe something completely different? I would say the stereotypical of a picture of what a neanderthal looks like. Okayand a Neanderthal face is what we saw, and I will never I'll never forget it as long as I live, and my life has had my life has had a lot of supernatural and paranormal experiences ever since then, which is going to be fifty years, you know, next well, the following August twenty twenty seven.

11:42 And that's a conversation we wanted I would like to get into in a few minutes for listeners who have not seen a picture of Neanderthal, what are some features of that face that that that jump out in your memory that would make you lean towards Neanderthal features? Uh, very pronounced eyebrow ridges, deep set eyes and pronounced eyebrow ridges. Okay, interesting, were you and a. Big and a big like spread out you know, like a flat kind of well not an ape nose, but more of a flat spread out nose. But those but those eyes and those those those deep set eyes and those eyebrow ridges are really what what grabs you.

12:43 Was it completely covered with hair? Not the chest, uh, The the head had a very long mane, the the chest, the chest was bear You could see the definition in the chest. The arms, the arms had a lot of hair and and the legs, but but the but the chest was very defined and and no hair on it. Okay, and there was a very strong salt smell. Gotcha. How long was the. Main I would say maybe four to five inches long?

13:25 Okay? Were you able to tell if it was a male or female? In any way? I did not see any genitalia. I did. Maybe it was because it was obscured in the tree line and it was it was getting towards you know, dark dark mm hmm. Absolutely, but I did not. I did not, and I didn't see any and I didn't see any pronounced man mary glands either, So I can I can venture. I guess it may have been a male. Sure, yeah, absolutely. Remind me again how the end of the encounter when you I remember there you guys were staring at each other.

14:08 Everyone was frozen. It had glowing red eyes. But how did it end? Again? It seemed like an hour that we had this stare off, but it was probably more like about five minutes. And after we gained our composure and realized what we were looking at. And I don't know if it was my girlfriend or her brother said that is a f n BF, meaning a bigfoot, And I don't know. We still called it bigfoot here back then. I don't know why, but we jumped in his truck and we we burned rubber down the gravel road and we didn't. I never went back there again until I was an adult, which was like probably starting about fifteen years ago. That's when I started working for doctor Eric Klein, who runs the Lila out There Land Assessment. They take water, water, soil, and air samples, you know, for restoration of the Kassimi River to restore the you know, the to restore the habitat.

15:15 Fascinating. Let's see, after you burn rubber out of there, you guys are obviously talking amongst yourselves. Was there a time after that then you told someone else that wasn't there about what had happened, or did you wait a while to share that with anyone not present? Yeah? Yeah, because we figured everybody would think we were crazy. And you know, we did tell our immediate families about it, but they gave us the furral diye brows. But you know, Palm Beach County has had a lot of sightings, even more so than what I told you in the beginning of the interview. I mean, we're not We're not skunk eight.

15:56 This isn't a skunk ep theory. This is a skunk eight fact. Many, many credible people, including you know, cops, judges, lawyers, people from all walks of life have seen these things. And you know, I was, I was sober, insane as a judge, and so were my friends that day. And we know what we saw and there wasn't there wasn't anything else that could have been. Fascinating. I was actually just going to ask that if so, you were one hundred percent sober from any substances that would. Have Yeah, yeah, we weren't. Yeah, we were just out. We were just out having fun, doing flips on the the rope swing. There's like a little shell pit off to the side of the marsh, and you know, just having phone with our friends.

16:46 So you're fifteen years old after that. You know, sometimes you talk to witnesses and their experience makes their life go in a certain way based on you know, focused on if they are into bigfoot, they're trying to figure out what it is, or sometimes I don't want anything to do with it. Did it affect your future life in any way? Having that experience, I seem to be more protected in my life, like from from danger, you know, like like near missus with car accidents and stuff. It was really strange. It seemed like it didn't seem like it had a negative effect on my life. It seemed like it had a positive effect almost like I was like protected from like near miss you know, car accidents, all kinds of things.

17:40 It's really strange. I've seen a lot of a lot of supernatural phenomenon. That is fascinating. I definitely want to get into that. So how how soon after that was that you started to notice supernatural or paranormal type things happening in your life. It was probably when I got married a few years later. I got married very young at eighteen, which was you know, typical amongst the hippies, not only here in Palm Beach County, but pretty much probably nationwide, if not worldwide. And I just I've even seen people don't believe it, but I've seen manifestations of angels too, like I've seen the Angel Raphael.

18:28 I mean, I don't care who doesn't believe it, but I believe that the Angel Raphael is present in my life. And I believe he's my guardian angel because I have seen him. That's fascinating. Did you ever have any Some individuals report having everything from from. Dreams to. Messages in different ways. Is that anything that you've experienced as well? Yes, more like dreams of comfort, like you know, after a divorce and everything, I ended up in a very bad way, kind of like disenfranchise and like I had angelic What do you call it comfort? Like comforting dreams like it's gonna be okay, and you know, and and I'm okay now, I mean, I'm I'm an I'm a published author. I've been human rights activists even on a un level for twenty years. So I mean, I just feel like this encounter bestowed a lot of blessing. I feel like this encounter bestowed a lot of blessings on my life. Is the best way to sum it up.

19:46 That's that's awesome. I love that. You mentioned working with scientists down the same area, and I have a few questions about that in your discussion with the scientists. Has it ever come up where you know, back in the seventies, I actually had something weird happen. Has that ever come up or you kind of just leave that off to the side. No, we were I worked for a property management company, and we kept the quarters for doctor Eric Klein, who's run the Lilah Land Assessment project there in the locks of Hatche Wildlife Refuge. I think that he's been out there for over twenty years, and I do believe he originates at the University of Iowa as well. Very nice guy and he's very focused, very focused on making sure that this restoration of the Kassimi River, you know, is seen through to its you know, completion. So no, you know, I you know, they said little things, they said little things. Yeah, we've seen stuff because those boys go out on those air boats in the back four thousand acres and of course they've seen it, but they're not going to tell the property managers, you know, outright what they've seen. But we all, we all have the knowing looks. We know that they're out there, but you know, we all have our reputations to protect as well.

21:17 Oh, I totally totally get it. Have you had any other big foot encounters yourself since that time in the seventies. No, I have not. That was the only one, but I would love to see another one. I was in northern California last year and I wished I could have got up to, you know, a Willow Creek or bluff what was it the bluff? The bluffs over there. I wish I could have done that, but I want to go back, or I'd even like to go to the Olympic Peninsula because I'm kind of a I kind of like laser focused on this. I've even got my T shirt, my classic Hide and Seek T shirt on today because I just I love I love the cryptive genre so much.

22:01 It is a really I think it's one of those and it's one of those genres and especially you know, Bigfoot related where there's so much information in our culture that's available online on the internet, on computers, and it's one of those where we don't have the information. So it's like one of those last great mysteries, you know, And I think that really draws us in as humans. We have to figure it out and or experience it, you know, there's different ways to look at it. But why is it that you would want to have another experience? Is there a certain reason why you would want to have another sighting? Yes, because it hasn't had a negative effect on my life.

22:43 I believe I believe that some type of spiritual goodness was just you know, bestowed upon my friends and I during that encounter. So, I mean it was fearful looking. I mean it was an imposing you're to look at something eight feet tall with glowing red eyes. But it hasn't it hasn't negatively affected my life. I feel like it's I feel like it's had a positive impact on my life. So I want some more of that. Absolutely, No, I get that too. It's like. You have these experiences and I've had some myself out in Oregon in Iowa where I'm from, and once you have a really awesome positive experience. I've never had a visual yet, but I've just had some really weird stuff happen.

23:37 It is very. You do want more of it. It's addictive, has such a bad connotation, but in a way, it kind of is. Now since that time in the seventies, have you heard of any other experiences or encounters happening in that same area or same region. No, And I believe the reason is is because we haven't experienced such a dramatic drought. And they even the cops around here said that they believe that the spate of bigfoot sightings that we had between let's say seventy two and seventy eight were precipitated by the drought, so the the skunk gates came more into the rim canals, you know, to get water and food and whatever the case may be. But that's that's the rationale that they give for why all that was happening in that like six year period.

24:37 That's really really interesting, Okay, very very very cool. It'd be interesting if they're listeners that have also had experiences in the same area or know of more recent ones. Feel free to send me an email a big facietygmail dot com, or you can send me. You can put it in the comments too. It's you're You're definitely have a better. Chance of getting through if you send me an email though, because the comments are pretty well there's a lot of them to get through. So now, just curious, in the same area down there, do you have to deal with other strange things or is it just skunky in this area?

25:24 Yeah, I've seen after that, Like I said, Jeremiah, after that encounter in seventy seven, I've seen I've seen floating orbs. Like I was at a barbecue one time, I think it was I think it was in the January of nineteen eighty, which would have been you know, almost three years later. We saw like orbs over my friend's house and like glowing, like glowing glowing orbs. Some of them were green, some of them were silver. Yeah, just like super natural like phenomenon and apparitions that there's a lot of that. There's a lot of that around here. And people are like, well, that's swamp gas or that's will of the wisp. Well some of it might be, but I don't think all of it is. I mean, if I'm at my friend's house in the suburbs, I don't think that's what the will of the wisp, you know.

26:21 No, absolutely How big were these orbs you were seeing in the eighties. One was pretty big. The green one was probably eight to ten feet in diameter. It was huge, and me and my friends were just we were just like gaga staring at this thing, and everybody was like trying to rationalize, you know, what it was. But like I said, Jeremiah, I link all of these other you know, strange encounters back to the original Skuncpe sighting in August of nineteen seventy seven. And you know, if I wouldn't have seen it myself. I wouldn't have believed all the other accounts. But like I said, we've we've had cops, judges, and lawyers in this county, and we know that they're.

27:07 Here one hundred percent. How far away from you, guys? Was that that eight to ten foot diameter or the green one? Would you say, oh it was? I'd say it was hovering maybe twenty feet above above my friend's house. Wow, okay, and this was during it like a barbecue. Did it just suddenly float away or how is the ending of that encounter? Yeah, it hovered for several minutes and then it just like it just like Rose. It just like Rose. I don't know if something like snatched it back up, if there was something else in the cloudset snatched it back up, but then it just rose quickly and it like dissipated.

28:01 It was really strange. Hadn't look it up, but I understand that a lot of these phenomenon happen on what's called lay lines, So that's something that I have to look up. I don't know if this section of South Florida, you know, is on a lay line, that would be something interesting to check out. Lay Lines are so weird. Because it is. It's a fascinating subject. But it's not like there's like, if you look up lay lines map, you're going to see tons of them, and it's not like they're Okay, this is the official lay lines map. But when you look at the map and you're like, Okay, it goes through this area, in this area, in this area, you're like, that kind of makes sense because these are weird areas, right, So I think it's something to consider for sure. You mentioned that you also have had experiences with apparitions as well.

28:49 Is that anything that you could share about. Yeah, it was really strange. I think it was about four years ago when my daughter was uh graduating from the University of Florida, and I decided to take the the amtrak UH to and from my daughter's graduation because I just wanted to, you know, enjoy looking at the scenery and have a couple of cocktails you know, on the h the bar car and stuff, and and so that was all good. I went to my my daughter's graduation, and then on the trip back, I was sitting I was sitting outside waiting for the return train, you know, to come to take me back to Palm Beach. From Gainesville and and I took a selfie of myself smiling with a peace sign to send to my daughter, saying, Okay, I made it to the I made it to the train station, and I'm okay, and I'm on my way back to Palm Beach and Jeremiah whenever, whenever. I took that selfie, and then I blew it up, and and the background of the selfie was, uh, the the tree line, the tree line that was behind the train station. It was the actually my backdrop of the selfie, there was like a it was like a picture of the Hell realm.

30:13 And my daughter still has that picture. There was like all these like goofy distorted faces. I mean, it wasn't like abstract you could make out that there's all these goofy, devilish faces like sticking their tongues out doing bunny airs on each other. I mean it was. I sent it to like a few of my friends and family and they're like, wow, it's like you captured the Hell Realm. And it was just by accident. You know. I know people won't believe this, but I've seen so many I've been through and seen so many things that I know that there's a spiritual realm, and I did capture the hell realm at the Gainesville Amtrak I think it was probably twenty summer of twenty twenty two.

31:00 No, there's definitely a spiritual realm. I'm with you on that for sure. No matter people don't like it or not, there is more going on than. We realize sometimes. For sure. Are there any other things that you would want to share that you feel are connected to what happened back in the seventies or that came about because of that. I don't know. I just felt like, I don't mean to keep, you know, keep repeating myself, but I just felt like my skunk ape encounter in August of nineteen seventy seven put some kind of an umbrella of protection on my life. I've had, you know, I've had problems like everybody's had. I've had health issues and everything, but something just always snatches me out of the fire, and I'm always okay. And maybe there's different maybe there's different factions of bigfoots and skun Gapes and sasquatches, maybe you know, maybe they're not of all of the same spiritual orientation.

32:12 But I just happen to think that the one that we saw, you know, in the locks of Hatchey Wildlife Refuge in seventy seven was a good one because I've I've had I've had a lot of good experiences because of it. It's fascinating to think about. For sure, there could be good ones, there could be bad ones, and there's many different ways to look at that. But you know, maybe one more question, Caroly, and thank you so much for spending some time with us today. Sure, I'm sure or most witnesses, you know, they have that one experience and then it's years and years and years and you're constantly replaying over in your mind. Have you ever tried to think of what you feel a skun gape is. Some people are thinking they could be some undiscovered ape, or it could be some ancestor of human or maybe something else completely. Do you do you have any thoughts about what it is you may have encountered that day.

33:16 Something something in me tends to think that it's some kind of human Neanderthal highbred that crossed the Bearing Straight land Bridge. However, many millennia go, you know, that's that's what I kind of lean towards. It's a it's a really good hypothesis. And I think. I think a lot of people if you're thinking about you know, it's a some kind of Neanderthal human cousin just kind of makes sense. It would come over the land Bridge as a lot of different things came over back then. But it's fast conversation. We don't get a lot of things from Florida on the show. And I'm glad that you you reached out again to me, Carol.

34:09 I know we had I think we had talked through email maybe a year or so ago too, And I'm glad you reached out again. It's fascinating conversation. For any other thoughts you had before before we wrap up our time together today. No, brother, I just want to say I love your show, I love your content. You know, keep on keeping on and you know, and I wish you. I wish you health, wealth and success. Love your show. Thank you so much, Carol. And just to make sure. You had mentioned you're an author, is there any but you're also going by first name only? Is there anything that you want to make sure people are aware of regarding your books or we'll just kind of cut that out and leave.

34:57 It at that. Well, now you can find me Caro stand Hope on s T A N H O p E. I'm on Facebook and I'm also on X and I do educate the public on child trafficking because I escaped child trafficking and then I became an active at about a little over twenty years ago, I worked with a ladies group called Persons Against Non State Torture, and so you know, you can educate yourselves, you know about that. I'm very passionate about it, And do support your local human trafficking shelter, either with donations or your time, because it really means a lot. There's a there's a big there's a big shortage in that area. So do do do support that, please one hundred percent.

35:46 It is a terrible thing that happens all over the world and in our country, and definitely more people need to know about it and they can. Thank you for sharing those specifically, people can check out and and get more information about that. Thank you so much for coming on the show, Carol. Has been a pleasure talking to you today. Yep, God speed brother, love you. How am I feeling all right? The steroids have me a little bit amped up, actually a lot amped up, but it is what it is it could be worse. I have a lot of nausea too, So we're just gonna take some time this afternoon see if we can chat for a bit. Just had a really fun interview with an individual out from Columbia County, Oregon, talking about a few things she experienced out in the re near area about ten years ago. So that's going to be a fun episode that comes out in mid August. Well, let's see. The first thing it really goes back to.

36:55 I would say, here's actually a guy in the chat, Tate who Tate Hornmus, who's a bigfoot researcher, and he was like, hey, you should come out researching with me one weekend to an area in Iowa, and we had some stuff going on out there. I mean wood Knox. The first time you hear wood Knox And I recorded a zipper noise of a tent on my audio and I didn't open up my tent same area. Let's see, I've had I've heard whoops, I've heard I had something walking around my tent early in the morning on two legs. When I went on to Oregon, that's when it got really weird. We went out to the Lamb at National Forest we were roared and screamed at by something out in the woods about two years ago, really really weird.

37:44 Stuff out there. Found fifteen sixteen inch tracks. When you find the tracks, that really that really makes it real for you too, because it's like we're like thirty forty miles out here. There's not just. Someone out here making tracks out in the middle the woods. It's a combination. I've not had a visual sighting yet, but I've had pretty much everything that you can have besides. That, hither, how are you. Hi? Can you hear me? Yeah? I just want to make sure you're coming up to share a Bigfoot experience you've had today. Oh definitely, I feel free to share what the experience was. So I have this. My belief with Bigfoot is that he is a third dimension kind of guy, like he goes they didn't and now like that's why we can't find him, and like he's kind of like a spirit, like he comes and goes.

38:41 So that's my belief. And my mom shared a story. And I live like kind of like in a family compound like where my grandparents live here. I live here and my parents live there, and we're all really close. We're on a big land and we're near like forests whatever, and my mom like dreamed the day. This was during the day, like close to the evening, and she said that she was home alone and we lived next to a farm, so there's cows and there's a fence and everything, and she said she heard the fence like moving, and she was like, oh, that's weird. Like it's summer day and her windows are open, and she heard a hoot, like a loud hoot, like you know what bigfoot does, like that big hoot, and she heard it and she like instantly thought about Bigfoot. But she's like, oh, I'm just gonna like not acknowledge that. I'm just gonna go about my day. And what was weird was that same evening, her bedroom is very high, like her bedroom window is very high, and there was like rocks left on her bedroom window. And she instantly like came and talked to

40:17 me because I'm all about Bigfoot. I love Bigfoot everything. So she was just like, I seriously think I got visited by Bigfoot. Like have you ever had anyone come tell you stories of Bigfoot leaving gifts? Oh? My goodness, yeah, I mean all the time. I mean I can I think it actually happened to myself, to be honest, the one time in Iowa when I had something to market around my tent. The next day I get up and on the picnic table there's a plastic fork with a squirrel tail put through the times of it.

40:57 That's hard to explain away, right, But. No, all the time, all the time, you hear everything from you know, sometimes crystals being left, sometimes deer legs. I had an individual I talk to in Maine where it was the head of a bear. Just really really stuff that really doesn't make sense, right, And yeah, that happens quite a bit, quite a bit. So can I ask and maybe not to get super specific, but does this happen in a certain region of the country or. So. I'm in Ontario, Canada, OK. Yeah, and I live on an island, and the island.

41:44 Is huge, It's very huge. It's big. I have so many stories of hearing of people, like you know, we live there. There's like a small community or town and then like the in the outskirts or like people have camps and there's so much stories that come out of it. That's Oh, that's wild. Ontario is a wild place for bigfoot. Have you ever heard anything around Snell Drove Lake. Do you know that area? No, I don't. Ontario is like I've I was born and raised in Ontario and there's so much of Ontario I haven't even known about or explored.

42:30 Absolutely well, well, man, I appreciate you coming up and chatting and sharing what happened there, and you know, keep us in the loop if anything else happens to you or your relatives in the future. Definitely, thank you. Thank you. All right, good stuff here, Let's see what we got. Hey, how's it going? Not bad? How about yourself? Hey? Good? First of all, Swanda, thanks for sharing that story. I'm in Ontario also, but I used to manage a fishing lodge in northern Quebec and I haven't seen one. I'm a big believer. But I had myself and my dog and we went for a hike kind of across from a lodge that I was managing in the winter. Now keep in mind, I'm gonna say this with the skeptical frame of mind. Winter time, when it's cold, trees do make sounds.

43:29 Yeah, yeah, sorry, some weird must have happened there. So you were saying something about maybe trees making weird sounds or. Yeah, so when it's minus twenty and colder, the trees do make popping sounds and things like that. However, what I was hearing, and I had my dog with me, one of the things that I've heard throughout a lot of podcasts and big Foot encounters and even less Stroud doing his current documentary is about the silence that happens in the woods. And it's bizarre. When you're out in the woods up in northern Quebec, northern Ontario, you still hear the ravens, you still hear the crows for a lot of the winter, or even blue jays. The woods went dead silent, and I heard several distinct tree knocks.

44:15 They weren't far off, and this part of Quebec is known for a lot of bigfoot activity. Where I live now, I'm not far from the northern end of Algonquin and there's been a lot of reports around here, so I'm a firm believer. But hearing the tree knocks, that was something that it sent chills down my spine. But it was my closest encounter and haven't seen one, but it was This wasn't the typical winter tree sounds that's wild. And did you start to look around see if you could find other reports in that area? Then yes, there's several for that area. I've been researching that area and my current area quite a lot. There's been quite a few, even in my area now, recordings of vocalizations and whether or not they're legit, I don't know, but very interesting for sure.

45:13 So what is your Do you have a goal with trying to look more into the subject. Yeah, so I'm actually starting to do some of my own research in my area because I'm surrounded by Crown Land up here where it's basically unowned land, and one of the latest vocalizations that I saw recording for was twenty minutes away from my house. So I definitely want to get out there and do some research. And I do a lot of solo camping because Crownland camping is completely free in Ontario, so I am doing some of that this summer. That is awesome. I have gotten things from Algonquin Provincial Park and I mean Sundra and in that area. That's that's cool man. Yeah, if you ever have anything else happened, you'll have to keep us up to date. But I appreciate you you coming up and chatting about what you've experienced so far.

46:14 Absolutely, and you mentioned Sundridge. I'm in South River, which is ten kilometers from Sundridge, so I go the area very good. Well, thank you for hanging out. Man, yep, hey buns, how are you? I'm good? Are you hey? Doing great? Feel free to share what your experiences were. Well, I see, I'm a Native American Shina Rappahole tribes from Oklahoma, and our reservation is at Concho, Uh next to Arena, Oklahoma. And well, we have housing there and stuff. So I grew up there when I was younger, and they've always had stories.

46:58 There's been stories of. Them people my own tribal members, like feeding them, leaving plates out for them and stuff like that. And they don't think they're like harmful or anything like that. They just leave them to them, but they see them a lot. But my counter was, there's this old Indian school that is back there that burnt down long time ago, and you have to you have to walk away in the woods to get back there to where the old cement platform is at where the school was, and everybody goes there if you're on a reservation. It's like a place to go. So we went back there and there's a springs there, it's called Cattle Springs, and.

47:49 There's a bridge over it that they built. So we were walking over it, and there's like a steep hill, and I've already been back there, you know, like hundreds of times, and I was taking some peace people back there to check it out. And I was like, y'all, go ahead, go ahead and go up front, and then I'll just stay back here on the bridge and I'll wait for you guys. So I was just standing there, and I was smoking a cigarette because you know, they teach us that whenever you feel something like as spirit or something uneasy, that tobacco it kind of like blesses you off in protection. So I had that cigarette with me and I was standing on that bridge and.

48:31 These trees, Okay. We have cotton woods here, and they're tall, they're super you know, super tall. And I was just standing there and it got really really quiet, like you couldn't even hear bugs. The only thing you could hear was the water, the spring water. Even the birds quit like and all I could hear was just like the wind of the rustling of the leaves, you know, and branches and stuff, and then I just started getting I started getting hit with bitty like rocks like pebbles, just like random. Like I was like just looking. I was like, where where this, Like how's the rock falling run? Because there's no place like a mountain or nothing like that, you know, it's flat.

49:14 I was like, where's these? And I looked up and I was looking up and I was like trying to see where, like where this rock. Was falling from. And something was throwing it so far over the trees and it was hidden me and it was like from a couple of directions, not just one. And I got scared and so I called my my friends and they came back. But that that was the that's when I but the first time. That was one instance and then we left. But and then I seen him. We were at a we we're having a pow wow and they they say they come and listen to the music. Sure, and we were were, uh, we were inside of a building and you can't smoke in there, so you had to go outside. So we're stepping outside and we're just outside of the building and we're smoking and there's me and three other people and three people are like standing together, and I'm on the opposite of them, just by myself, and then I have my back towards the like the woods and stuff like the open area, and they're like they just they just they were about to light this cigarette.

50:28 Then they I was looking at their face and they just pulled. They just like, don't move, don't move too fast, just turn around real slow and walk backwards towards us. I was like, oh, I was just I was like, you guys just made me really scary. I was like, what's behind me? What's behind me? They was like, just calm, dowt down, that's okay, just turn around. So I turned around real slow, and there was a bigfoot. He was sitting down next to a tree, like kind of far from us where you can't really you couldn't see his face because it was in dark time, but you could see the silhouette of him eyes. We could see him and his eyes he was looking right at us, and we didn't even know if we walked a little bit further, we would have walked upon him. Like you didn't expect this to come out there. And we were standing there and we just stood there for a second, and because we were like stunned, and we just stood there for like I think like five eight minutes, just staring at it, and he was just staring at us, and we just stood there for a minute, kind of like we was in like a trance or kind of like stunned for a second because he was like his eyes were red. You could see his like beady eyes, and it I me, me and my friends were like swore up and down. It looked like he was wearing some kind of like cloth or something like some kind of like it looked like he was wearing clothes, but

51:59 they got too little for him, you know what I'm saying, and like like you couldn't take him off or something. It looked like super super small. I don't know what it was, but it looked like he was wearing something. It was wearing something. And then we just turned We turned around and we went back into the to the dance. Then we went and told my uncle because they've been trying to like trying to get catch him or get pictures or you know, trying to do anything to try to get evidence of him. And my uncle came right back out and went out there and tried to get him, try to like look for him. He went out there, tried to chase him, but he was gone. He was already gone that fast.

52:45 Okay, I remember why I know this area. Do you so, since you're from the area, And first off, thank you for sharing your out from the powow. I mean, it is fascinating how those dances seem to draw activity like that, and I love hearing things like that. I've also heard of there's a situation that happened. You're by the Lucky Star casino, right, Yes, have you ever heard about how there was supposedly a security camera video recording of a bigfoot that was captured.

53:29 Do you know any information about that? They have it at Lucky Star. My tribe they owned the casino. Yeah, and they have that owner. I think, if I'm not mistaken, they put it on one of their on. The Facebook facebook pages. Oh, I can. Look it up and find it because I'm a member on there on the CNA Tribes Facebook page. And yeah, that would be fantastic. Yeah, I can. I can that to you. Okay, Yeah, yeah, I just followed you. If you could send me if you take a look after this sometime later on and just send me a message, that would be great, because.

54:11 I think it's a thing. Where we, you know, not being in in that group, we wouldn't have access to it. Probably so and a lot of people have looked for that. That would be interesting just to see if it's a real thing, you know. So, yeah, I've seen it. Oh you have you seen the video? Yeah? Oh wow? How would you describe it? It looked it looked like it I can say, honestly say it looked like it looked it looked abnormal. If I could say that, it looked like it wasn't a person like a normal person, you know, it wasn't. It looked it was real. It was real. It looked real to me.

54:59 In your area, would you say most of the sightings happen around powows or are there other sightings that happen outside of those. Too? Honestly, I think it is the music, you know, because it's not just pow wows, because we also have Native American Church which is our sweat lodges, and we sing in those two and we also and they come around there too. When we have sweat lodgers, they come out there and we have them on the reservation. We have we have them still there like the sweat, lodgers and stuff, and they'll come out there. Like I thought my uncle was crazy at one point because they said he was out there feeding him every day.

55:49 Like every day. There's a place out there on the Red. Everybody knows that the play that you go out there and they set food out for him and stuff for them. Wow, what kind of things are they feeding them? Like our traditional foods? Like okay, we have you know, like meat, meat, bread, meat bread, fruit, and like coffee. And like a vegetable. That's so cool. That's that's really cool. But Bonds, thank you so much for coming up and sharing your experience at the at the POW. I I greatly appreciate it.

56:30 Oh, no problem, I got I've got a couple of more and I got other people too that like experience Bigfoot as well. All right, well, you know, make sure you're falling if you ever want to share those other experiences or you know, share this with your your friends there if they want to share, hopefully we'll see them. Or they can send me an email and you can send me email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com and we can always chat later that way too. But oh yeah, yeah, I got another story too, but I can tell another time it made people scared not to them out to my house in the backyard, because we've seen them out there too at my at my house I currently live at that they we're having. A share now.

57:11 I can yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, feel free to share that and then, yeah, that would be awesome. I appreciate it. Okay. My me and my brother moved in with me, so we were, you know, he's anyway, we were having to get together in the backyard. So we're having a. Bonfire, so, you know, so it's going down later on today, later in the night time, so it was about to shut it down, you know. So we're about to you know, put the fire out. So we're out there and we just come outside and we're about to smoke a cigarette and my brother's like looking, he said, he just said, do you do you see that? I was that what. And we're at my house in the back of my house and the bonfires, you know, a few hundreds you know, in front of us, and he's like, do you see that right there? I said, what is that? He said, Look been down and we bent down. We crouched down like kind of you know, crouched down and we were looking looked towards the fire, and there was two two figures crouched down like us, kneeled down by the fire, and we just came from there, me and my brother.

58:21 We was looking. I was like, we just looked at each other. We automatically know both in our heads that you know, that was that's bigfoot. There's somebody, there's somebody right there, and nobody was just there and then they're right there and everybody knows, you know, the typical silhouette and what a you know, what a bigfoot would look like, and that's that's what it was. And they were crouched down. Like that, there was two of them. And then we just got so scared because it just gave us a like eerie, eerie, eerie feeling like we ain't supposed to be there. And we just. Turned it right back around and we just came in the house and we just sat here for a minute and didn't, you know, in case they try to come up to the house or anything, because they weren't.

59:06 They weren't that far away from my house. And that's yeah, it was. It was so crazy. We didn't go back out there. We kept looking out and kept looking out and they were still out there. They were just around the fire, and we were just waiting and way in Then I was like. Man, we got to go out there. I don't know what, but we got to do. We got to chase them all for something. And then by time we go. Out there, I don't know if they hurt us or anything like that, but they were already gone by time we went out there. How long do you think they were out there for? They were at least out there for like at least maybe an hour. Wow, well that's wild. I bet people were not going to your place for a while.

59:50 Ye After that, oh yeah, they still won't come out here. At nighttime in the back they my friends tried to come over here, and they were like, hey, look I don't believe you. I don't believe you. I said, okay, go ahead and go back there. I have let them go spend the night back there. They didn't even last at night. They came back and they was like, I'm never coming over here again. I don't want to be out here. There's something in your yard. There's something in your backyard. There's something out there. Did they share what happened to them to make them leave. They just said they were here and stuff like something was following them and it was They just said they just felt like something was watching them. Okay, Oh my goodness, that's some creepy stuff.

1:00:32 Wow. Oh yeah, Buns, we gotta we gotta get you up here again. Someday. You are into some wild stuff out there in Concho. Thank you so much for hanging out with us. All right, anytime, Yeah. You got it. Talk to you later. All right, Roy there, how are you. I'm good. How are you doing well? Feel free to share your experience. Okay, So I have always been I'm thirty three now, but since I was a kid, I've always been into like conspiracies and all types of stuff. So I've known about bigfoot sasquatch for years now, but it wasn't until I want to say, like two years ago that I started really, really really like diving into the topic a bigfoot, sasquatch, like the dog Man, all that type of stuff, and me personally, Okay, researching this, I came to the conclusion I am a Christian, and I tend to lean into like Bigfoot being a physical and like a spiritual being with like supernatural powers, if that makes sense. There's a there's a YouTuber I forgot. You probably know who it is.

1:01:48 I forgot his name. He died recently. He was a bigfoot researcher. Oh Scott from Tennessee. Yes, So I started watching this video. It was during this time that I'm researching all this, and I was just like mind blowing, Like I I realized that not only the. Sasquatch, but there's all types of creatures out there that like in the woods and stuff like that. So one time we for like the we stopped traveling. But for the past of three years, me and my husband and my four kids were like non stop traveling, mostly like the East Coast for my husband's work, going all over the place like rural area, city areas. And like I said, during this time, I had been really really invested in the whole bigfoot stuff, so I would always I would always have that in the back of my mind, like bigfood could be anywhere at any time.

1:02:47 Right. Well, I started kind of like, it's so crazy. Look listen to this because Scott Carpenter also talks about how they know like when you're talking about them, when you're thinking about them. Really weird stuff, right, Okay, So I started like kind of sharing, like my husband, my kids certain things about Bigfoot and this and that. Well, one time we ended up staying at a property at an Airbnb, a property in Virginia that was literally on on the lake. So it was the house in the backyard was a little bit of backyard and a big lake that you could go kayaking and stuff, and it was woods everywhere everywhere, very remote. Well, during this time, like my kids would go play outside a lot, and I would always hear like, uh, specifically my son always uh, like you know how kids are. He would always be talking about like the sasquatch out loud, super loud outside pretending to play with the sasquatch games.

1:03:56 And I don't know what. And some for some reason, I told myself that I would hear him from the inside of the house, and I told myself, like, I probably need to stop talking about. Bigfoot with the kids because. I don't know why I got that feeling like it's not a good idea for my son to be talking about sasquatch outside. I don't know why I got that feeling. It's like something told me that to stop. Well, during these days that we were staying at this house. I actually did end up telling my son, he is ten years old. I had told him. I was like, hey, let's not let's stop talking about sasquatch out loud. I don't know why, but that's it was just something that I felt like a weird feeling at that house. And then during the same time, during these days, my husband had shared with me that he and my husband is a big dreamer. He had and my husband does not care for anything. He thinks Bigfoot is demonic, he said, if he doesn't want to know anything about them. And he had told me that he had a dream, that a very vivid dream, that there was a sasas squatch outside in the backyard of that house. Right, so I was really creeped out. But again nothing, nothing came out of it. One night, we had two things happen, well, yeah, two things happen at this house.

1:05:16 Okay. One day we had spent the day outside with the kids. I think my husband had been off and we were cooking outside. They had like a little fire pit and we were making food until it got really really late. Mind you, this is like a really remote ara. There's no street lights, it's really dark outside and it's covered by the like surrounded by woods in the lake. So we stay out all like until it gets really dark and before we go and we decide to have a prayer, all of us, my whole family outside. Mind you, it's pitch black outside except for the light of the fire.

1:05:59 So we're and then everybody starts making their way inside. Me and my son stay outside, cleaning up, like, you know, the plates and everything that we have left, and my son is just like they're still and just like still, and I could just tell like he was just all quiet, like he didn't want. To go inside. It's like it's as if he was waiting for everybody to go inside so he could tell me something. Everybody goes makes their way inside, and my son like, as soon as everybody goes inside, and I stay outside with my son cleaning up, my son is like, Mom, He's like, I don't know if you're.

1:06:39 Gonna believe me or not. But and I get I get so like, oh my gosh, I get chill thinking about it because I know he's not lying. He said, I don't know if you're gonna believe me or not. But when we were praying, Mom, because I was praying I was the one praying out loud. He said, when we were praying, I looked up and I saw a big foot on the tree staring at you while you were praying. And he said that the thing, Yeah, he said that the thing. He said that. When he when the bigfoot noticed that my son was looking at him, he turned his head to look at my son, and it's like he just like jumped off the tree and just like disappeared and into the woods.

1:07:21 And I believe my son because my son is like they my kids don't there's no way he's gonna I know my kids, they don't make up stuff like that. And he was really like shaken up. He was extremely shaken if. He was like shaking and just like he was scared out of his mind. And I I literally I told him. I was like, okay, well I believed him right, And you know you would think that I was. I would go inside scared, but because of Scott Carpenter's videos and everything that I had seen it, because of my our beliefs, I told my son okay, and I had to remember like my husband's dreams and everything.

1:08:03 I ended up I. Was like, okay, well we're going to go prayer, pray around the property so this thing doesn't come back, right And my son was like, what do you mean. Like, I'm like, no, we're going to do it, like we have to do it. So we just we just prayed around the whole property. I literally said out loud. I was like, you're not welcome here. You cannot come over here. And after that, I literally I stopped like entertaining so much the whole thing about. Sasquatch and Bigfoot because it's so weird. It was just too coincidential everything and that feeling that I got about, you know, my son and my kids playing Bigfoot outside, it was it was just crazy. It's so wild. I think there is something to it that younger you know, younger children have access to see things that we might not be.

1:08:52 Readily noticing. Right. Yeah, And just the way he described it, I asked my son, I was like, what did it look like? And he said that it was just like the movies. I mean he literally said it was there was the moon behind and the sky, then the tree the sasquatch in front of the moon. Like he said that he couldn't really make out his face, but he could see like his hair and the color. He said that his hair was like orangey brown, like so weird, and it was crazy that we didn't I didn't hear anything, but like I said, my son was super shaken up. Well, that was the first thing that happened at that property. Another thing happened, Yeah, it was I don't know, there was something.

1:09:35 I guess because it was such in a remote area. And you know how they say about the sasquatch and like the bodies of water and stuff like that. Right, one of those days, we had gone kayaking, all of us around that lake and we were kayaking, we were singing worship songs, YadA YadA. Well, that night we come back and that night, like we go to bed and everything, and. I just have like a really eerie feeling for some reason. That night, and I just feel like there's something like there's like a presence, like I can't explain it, just like a really like I'm being watched. I'm trying to go to everybody sleeping. I try to go to sleep, and I as soon as I fall asleep, I have a very extremely extremely vivid I have a vision that I'm looking into like the dock of the property and under the dock. There was a like a reptilian standing in the water with water up.

1:10:32 To his eyes, like just staring at the house. It was just so weird. There's some weird stuff going on that property. I don't know if i'd go back again. Yeah, no, we're not going back. But yeah, so those are the things happen. Yeah. Wow, Yeah, that's as far as my bigfoot encounters. Well, I appreciate you coming up. Hopefully you've got things under control now, but hopefully you also figure out what you're looking into as well. So thank you, thank you for coming up. Man, Yeah, thank you. All right, guys, Wow, what a great group of conversations today here. We've got a lot of people wanting to come up, but I need to go take a rest because I am fighting cancer, guys, and I'm getting tired.

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