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Sept. 10, 2026

He Spent One Night Alone Here. He Won't Go Back.

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Season 1

Mike Wanders has spent years traveling alone into some of North America’s most remote wilderness, searching the places where Sasquatch reports refuse to disappear.

In this episode, Mike joins Bigfoot Society to share what happened during his expeditions into Vancouver Island, Bluff Creek, Mt. Hood, Prince of Wales Island, the Hockomock Swamp, and other legendary locations.

Deep in Clayoquot Sound, a water taxi left Mike alone beside an abandoned cabin surrounded by old-growth rainforest. As darkness settled over the cove, the atmosphere changed. Hours later, something enormous moved over the treetops.
Mike also reveals the one experience he considers his strongest possible Bigfoot activity, including sounds captured on audio in an extraordinarily remote section of Vancouver Island.

Then there's Prince of Wales Island, Alaska—where nearly everyone Mike spoke with seemed to have a story.
This conversation goes deep into what happens when an experienced wilderness traveler enters some of the most active Sasquatch locations in North America and starts asking one question:

What is actually happening out there?
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I wouldn't go back to that exact spot just because,

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full disclosure, I like made a deal with the forest

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that night.

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Mike Wanders has spent years going alone into some of

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the most legendary Bigfoot locations in North America. But on

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Vancouver Island, he spent one night in a remote cove

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that scared him enough to make a promise to whatever

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might have been in those woods. And he says he

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still won't go back. Today, Mike tells me what happened

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there along with the one encounter he still can't explain.

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I'm Jeremiah Byron, and this is Bigfoot Society. You have

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all these different Bigfoot locations you've been to, but I

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got to ask you, what is the most freaked out

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you've been? Because you are going to so many places

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that I look at these place names, and I'm just

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going to go down them real quick. Bluff Creek, Mount St. Helens,

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Blue Mountain, Nordegg, Alberta, Mount Hood, Harrison Hot Springs, BC, Olympics,

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Ho Rainforest, Gifford Pinchot, vancouver island i mean there's some

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freaky freaky place and you're out there by yourself for

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the most part right.

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Yeah yeah yeah um so what's like the the most

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afraid i've been sasquatch well the most afraid uh i've

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always said to people you know like if if sasquatch

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is just behaving like you would expect a sasquatch to

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behave whoops knocks kind of ape like it's like okay

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that's scary but it's like that's kind of what i

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expect it's like the spookier stuff that really really scares

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me Um, like I, I'm like afraid of ghosts. I'm

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afraid of like, you know, the paranormal stuff. I, um,

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so I, I think like whenever I go out there, like, yes,

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I'm afraid of Sasquatch, but like, I'm mostly kind of

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afraid of people if I'm in like a relatively accessible

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place or I'm afraid of like, are there ghosts? Um,

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but I mean, I, I was pretty spooked on, uh,

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my first time on Vancouver Island and I don't think,

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I don't even know if that was like Sasquatch related.

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I went out there for Sasquatch and it just ended

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up being like really, um, a really terrifying night. I

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always said it was like the most terrifying night I've had.

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That's probably the most terrifying experience I've had in the woods. Um,

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for like weird, spooky reasons, paranormal, whatever it is. I throw,

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I throw Sasquatch into that same arena. Um, but I've,

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I've experienced like, you know, extreme levels of fear. because

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of like grizzly bears and stuff like that, backpacking and, uh,

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storms and, you know, fearing that like, something's going to

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go horribly wrong. Um, but I would say, you know,

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in my life, like I always say Klayakwat sound the

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first time I was there and I had a boat

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drop me off. And I, uh, that night was just

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petrifying and it, and then like, it's on paper, you know,

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the idea of being dropped off in a remote location

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where you're going to spend the night alone, like that's,

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that should be on, that should be an awesome experience.

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for the most part, like that's, that's, that's great camping

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in a remote place. And it's just you and nature. Um,

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it can be absolutely beautiful. Now there is sometimes like

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a tendency for you to freak yourself out, especially if

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you're hearing all these stories from people going into it,

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like don't go to that location or first nations, indigenous

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cultures being like, well, you can go there, but that's

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where the Zuna qual lives. And she stills children, uh,

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you know, just all these different things that can kind

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of put you on edge. Um, so I very much

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allow for the possibility that you can get lost in

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your own head when you go to these locations and

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easily freak yourself out. But when I went to that spot,

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it was more than that. Um, it was more than that.

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I like, I, I, I do this stuff all the time.

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I go out alone all the time and usually it's incredible. Um,

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but man, when we pulled into that Cove, uh, and

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the water taxi guy dropped me off, he had never

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been there. He was really excited to just check out

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this new location and, man, we all felt it. Like

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my wife was on the boat with me. And, uh,

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cause just because I paid for this water taxi, she

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wasn't going to spend the night, but she just, I

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was like, Hey, just come for this beautiful, uh, boat

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ride through Klaquat Sound and then just go back with the, the,

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the boat. So she did that. And, but yeah, when

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we all pulled in to the cove and just kind

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of shut off the engine and just kind of cruised

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in and man, the loons are going and it just

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like the, the energy just changed. There was this thickness of,

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in the air that, you know, I just overlooked for

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a while. Cause I was like, all right, you know,

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this is just, I'm, I'm freaked out. I've heard a

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bunch of scary stories, but like we all felt it,

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it was intense. And the longer the night went on,

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they dropped me off. And, uh, I remember, um, there

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was like this little rundown cabin that was there, um,

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that was originally built for good reasons to like protect

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the old growth in that area. Um, but that was like,

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I don't know, decades ago. but by the time I

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saw it for the first time, it was just run down.

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Everything is just like, there's a big old growth tree

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that had like fallen onto the cabin itself. And like the,

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there's no door on the, on the cabin. It's just

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wide open. And there's like knife slashes through some of

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like the plastic that's like covering up the windows. And,

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and I remember my wife was like, Mike, you gotta,

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you gotta check the inside of that cabin before we leave. Um,

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Because like, if there's something that you see in there,

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you know, that you don't want to see, like there's

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still a boat and you can get out of here.

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So I was like, oh, fine.

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I'll go check that cabin. I just remember like, yeah, yeah.

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So I remember like, you know, going in there and just,

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it was, it was the, the forest itself and the

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area itself was already just thick with dread is the

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easiest way to explain it. Um, and when I entered

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the cabin, it was even more so, it just felt

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terrible in there. Um, And I remember like climbing up

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this really rickety ladder that could have like broke at

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any time. And I like peeked my head up above

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the loft to just like make sure there was nothing there.

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And it just was like dark and spooky and cold feeling.

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And it just felt awful. And I remember thinking like, okay,

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I'm going to avoid this cabin at all costs. I'm

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not going to go near it. I don't care if

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it's torrential downpour. I'll deal with the elements. And I've experienced,

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you know, those moments of like kind of intensity and

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thick thickness in the air and feeling like there's something there.

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And then it kind of drifts, it goes away. And

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like this night, it never went away. It never went away.

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It only just kept getting worse and worse and worse

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and thicker and thicker and thicker. And as the night

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got dark, yeah, the feeling just became intense. And I

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was in, I was smack dab in some really, really

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thick old growth rainforest. Um, and these are like humongous, um,

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just big old growth trees and just thick, thick vegetation.

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So you really can't see too far. I had a

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fire going and, um, yeah, as it got darker, it

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just got, it just, it, I was like, I was,

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I just knew that there was something there. I don't

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know what it was, but I just knew that there

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was something there. It got dark. And then, you know,

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controversially I say controversial because I don't know, people can

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be crap about it. Um, and I would give me

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crap about it too, if I wasn't there, but, but

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something like there was a big wind disturbance that like

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went low over the tops of the trees and continued, um,

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past me and out to sea in a very like

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straight mechanical like trajectory. Um, And, and then nothing. And

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then it was silence. It's like, to me, it almost

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sounded like what you would expect a humongous drone to

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sound like if the drone wasn't making any noise whatsoever. Um, and, uh, I,

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you know, when things happen like that to me, when

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I'm alone, I, I am so quick that defense mechanism goes,

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goes off. And I, I am so quick to try and, um,

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disprove something and just say, oh, that was this I'm okay.

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You always want to like convince yourself that you're okay

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in the moment. And I would have done anything to

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convince myself that that was a bird, that that was

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an owl, that that was a great blue heron. And

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all the things that people tell me they hear, I've

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heard a hundred great blue herons, which is the biggest

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wingspan out there. I've heard all that stuff. There was

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no wing flap. There was no swooping from tree to tree.

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Like it was going for a while. It came from

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sadly the direction of the cabin over my head and

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then past me and then out to sea. And then

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and then it was just nothing. And I remember just

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sitting in that darkness for like the next 10 hours, um,

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as the feeling that there was something with me, like

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it just became more and more intense. And, you know,

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I didn't have, um, like a canoe. I didn't, I

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didn't have anything that even if something did go down,

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I still had the fear that there was maybe a

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recluse like hiding out here who maybe like lives in

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that cabin. I was really afraid that like, maybe there

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was someone, you know, if they want to try and

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get away from society, um, I remember I saw like

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a broken zip tie on the ground, which I wasn't

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a fan of. But I mean, of course, you know,

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that could just, you know, if someone's camping out there,

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but they could have used it for that reason. There's

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so many reasons to see a zip tie, but just there,

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it was just, you know, I was, by this point

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I had lost control of my mental toughness, I think

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I was spiraling. And I was really concerned about like

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a UFO. I really like in my mind, I was like, okay,

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like sadly that that was not a bird. That was

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not a bird. Um, that thing was huge. If it

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was bird, like it was pterodactyl and it never, it

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never flapped its wings. And I was like, literally concerned that, uh,

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I was like, Oh no, the UFO Bigfoot people are right.

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You know, like they were, they were right. Um, but yeah,

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that was a scary night for me. I was, uh,

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I was, I, I, I thought at any moment I

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was going to just see something like looking at me

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from behind my goodness behind a tree or something and

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i i was totally in my head and i was

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too afraid to go in the tent i remember it

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was like that blair witch line best line of Blair

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Witch Project by the way where she's like she says

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something along the lines of uh she's like I'm too

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afraid to open my eyes and I'm too afraid to

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close them uh like I was I was too afraid

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to go in the tent because because I I wanted

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to see if anything approached um because I felt like

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there was something there but then at the same time

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I did not want to see if anything approached uh

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you know because I was just so yeah I was

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so afraid. Anyway, that night.

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That's that night. Okay, so I've done a few of these.

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And so I've gotten to the point where if Spidey

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Sense starts going wild when it comes to talking. So

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are you opposed if I was to do a little

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prayer real quick? Is that okay?

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Go for it.

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All right, cool. Let's do it. All right, dear God,

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thank you for this conversation we are having and about

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to have. And please keep us safe. Keep all listeners safe.

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Bind any demonic activity, bind the devil and through the

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name of Jesus and your name.

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Amen.

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Thank you. Amen. Have you ever experienced being out in

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an area and let's say, have you ever experienced the

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lights out in the woods at all? Lights.

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Yeah. Sorry. Yeah.

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Like just balls of light. Yeah.

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Really? Well, actually, when I was really young, before I

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was doing any of the YouTube stuff on the Hockamock Swamp,

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I was on that ATV trail I was talking about,

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and I just saw balls of light crossing the trail

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in front of me, which was crazy because I remember

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Googling back then the Hockamock Swamp and all that stuff,

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and one of the main reports were balls of light

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orbs specifically right there behind the um greyhound dog track

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there was there was like old dog track there and

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that's exactly where i was i was exactly behind the

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dog track heading into the swamp and there there were

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balls of light going back and forth and i i

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didn't think much of it um i almost to a

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to a fault um uh either just just um i

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don't know kind of papoose certain things and and and

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try to immediately find an explanation. Sometimes it's good. I

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think sometimes it's almost bad because I kind of overdo

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it sometimes. But yeah, I definitely saw those balls of light.

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Something may or may not have just recently happened on

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Mount Shasta.

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Um, I can't wait for that to come out.

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Oh my goodness. Yeah. We got to wait and see. Yeah.

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We got to wait and see you guys subscribe. So

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you don't miss it when it, when it comes out.

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Yeah. So you can yell at me when, when, when,

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when you're like, Oh, you didn't get that.

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Oh man. Yikes. Uh, I, I know about a few

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things that are coming out cause you had reached out

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and you've got some really, uh, potentially awesome ones coming out.

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I can't wait to see.

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Yeah. A whole lot going on, dude. And I really

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appreciate you, uh, reaching out to people, man. And, and

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just the fact that like, you're one of like four

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probably total people who somehow has like a connect on

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Prince of Wales Island. Like I now understand, I now

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understand like why, why that is such a hard thing,

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like a hard connect to come across. Like, Holy crap.

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It's like, it's like going to Vancouver Island. If you

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were to just remove all the people, um, And Vancouver,

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Vancouver Island doesn't have that many people, but like there's,

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there's like actual kind of like mini cities, um, that

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do not exist on Prince of Wales Island. Um, man,

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you just, you, you land, you land in like Clowak

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and it's just a shed, you know, it's like they

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call it a terminal. You just get off the plane,

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you have the plane, you just like go. Somebody was like,

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are you Mike? And I'm like, uh, yeah. And I

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was like, okay, here's your car. And it was like

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just some rundown car. It's not like anything. like any

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place I've ever been. And man, those, yeah, they're just

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tiny little towns. Cloac is tiny. Craig, the nearby town is, is,

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is like a couple, couple of shops and that's it.

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Craig's a good one too. Uh, Thorn Bay is a

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good one.

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Thorn Bay. So, so Thorn Bay, I was, uh, cause

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I mean, as you know, I was kind of winging

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a lot of my Prince of Wales Island plan. And

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the last second I kind of pulled together some connects and, um, Uh,

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Fred roll was really helpful with that.

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Oh, very good.

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Yeah. And, uh, so one of my like plans that

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I had just kind of said like, all right, I'm

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going to do this without talking to anybody. I was,

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I was going to go over to Thorn Bay and

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I was able to meet up with the Tlingit, um, and, um,

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in Kluwak and, you know, which was just awesome. Cause

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you know, they just rightfully so they can, you know,

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keep information to themselves, which, which I kind of feel

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like they probably should do. Um, but they were willing

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to talk to me and share a lot of stories, um,

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And I remember saying like, Oh, I might go to

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Thorn Bay and just hit up some forestry roads and

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see what happens. And they were like, well, you know,

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we've kind of heard that's where the witches are. And

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I was like, Oh, all right. Not going there. Wow.

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Bailed on that plan.

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Okay. Interesting. So, so there you go. Listeners, uh, there's

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Prince of Wales Island is coming on, on like Wander's channel.

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It's in the, out in the open, but that's going

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to be a great one, dude. That's, that is such a,

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it looks like a beautiful area. Um, is, Has there

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been a time, Mike, when you have been on one

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of these adventures and you've experienced something that you were like, oh,

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that is 100% I'm experiencing Bigfoot activity right now, or

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you're 99%?

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Only once.

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Okay.

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Only once. I feel like, you know, in meeting a

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lot of the Sasquatch enthusiasts throughout the years, I feel

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like there's a lot of times if I had somebody

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else with me, they might be like Sasquatch. Um, but

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for me, man, if there's anything else that that can be,

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I lean towards the anything else. Like if there's anything

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else that that can be, and I've heard strange noises

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in Nordegg, um, and you know, trees coming down in, um,

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Harrison Lake, uh, that I wasn't able to record or

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like a couple other times, just stuff like that, that

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I think like some Sasquatch diehards would be like Sasquatch.

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That was Sasquatch. Mike, you're an idiot. But for me,

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the one time where it's now been however much time

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it's been since I uploaded the video and since I

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experienced this for myself, nobody has had an explanation as

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to what this was, including myself. I still don't have

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an explanation. That was the second time I went out

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to Vancouver Island in Clayquot Sound with Eric DeCero. up

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on a, the video is called the Vancouver Island Sasquatch. And,

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and at the end of that, yeah, we heard like a, um,

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a clear as day would knock. Um, but it was

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because of the location that we were in that it,

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it completely, like we had everything crossed off, like because

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of where we were, you rule out people. We were

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flown into the most remote location on, on Vancouver Island.

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if anybody else was anywhere nearby, there would have had

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to have been a boat anchored. Um, and there was

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nobody nearby. There were fishermen when we landed. Um, but

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we watched them that we watched their boat leave the area,

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like take off. Um, there was nobody up on these

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mountains and the wind had completely died off by that point.

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It was absolutely no wind. And, and, uh, and, and, um,

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just by chance, which is like, so unlike everything that's

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ever happened to me, I actually happened to film the

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moment I film, I I'm filming myself talking because, um,

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I start recording myself talking because some, we heard some

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tree limbs being snapped right in front of us. Uh,

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we were kind of in like a bowl, uh, like

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these big kind of steep mountains on either side of

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like an amphitheater. And we were in this open grassy,

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I'm kind of almost kind of like a title zone.

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It was kind of sketchy. Um, but we were also

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like cut off by these slopes by like these salmon rivers. And, um, yeah, so,

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I mean, Eric had his audio going and on his audio,

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you'll hear the original tree limbs being snapped. And if

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that was all we heard, uh, we, we would have

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been like, wow, that might've been Sasquatch, but you know,

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who knows? but it was the series of events that

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led to it just being completely unexplainable. So like the

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original thing was like a couple of big tree limbs,

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just crack, crack, crack. And so I grabbed my, and

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he got that on his recorder. So I grabbed my

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camera and I started talking to the camera and I'm saying,

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we're hearing sounds right across the water here, right across

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the river. And then right after I say that, just

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a explosive whack. Um, and so, And that's not a bear.

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We literally, in the moment, went through the list of

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what this could be. And those original snaps, tree limb snaps,

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could have been a bear. It could have been, I

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don't know, a tree limb snaps off and slowly makes

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its way down the tree somehow and is breaking things

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as it goes. They sounded almost too thick to be

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an elk. But there was some explanation to that. But

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then for there to be like a 30-second pause of

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nothingness and then an explosive BAM! Um, like that's not,

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that's not an animal that 100% is not an animal. Um,

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I've heard all those animals and all the noises they

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make as they move through brush and trees. or whatever. Um,

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it's not, I was like, I went into that mode

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of trying to be like, okay, what is this? What

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is this? I mean, I can't be a Sasquatch even

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though I believe in Sasquatch and that's why we're here.

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But also like at the end of the day, I'm like, well,

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come on, what was that? Uh, and I'm like, was

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it a rock slide? I'm asking Eric and he's like, dude,

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I will play you all the rock slides and mud

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slides that I have recorded over the years. It's a trickling.

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You hear like all this different stuff trickling. You don't

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just hear a single explosive whack and then silence. Right. Um,

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so yeah, that for me, like even, even if a

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tree falls down, which I've heard now several times, um,

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without wind, they're, there's a chance that you're hearing it

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just at the end of its rot. And it just

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so happens to fall. Maybe, maybe there's another tree leaning

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against it. Maybe an animal just climbed up it. I

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don't know. There's a chance, however, slim, uh, that it's,

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that there's an explanation to that. Or even if you

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hear a scream, well, I mean, we heard screams that

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freaked us out. It turns out it was a sea lion,

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like those, those big fjords, those big fjords. And like,

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they can muffle sound. and twist it in a certain

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way that can kind of play tricks on your mind.

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But so like, to me, it was one of the

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most compelling things that could happen because I don't have

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any explanation for an explosive singular loud whack in the woods.

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To me, it sounded like somebody asked me a question on,

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in the comments. She was like, Mike, if you weren't

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going out there for like Sasquatch or you knew nothing

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about Sasquatch, like what would you think that was? And

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I remember telling people like at the time when I

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got home, I was like, it literally sounded to me

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like there was a gorilla up on the slope, snapping,

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breaking large limbs. It literally sounded like this thing took

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muscle to break several limbs off. And then there to

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be that silence and then, and then that whack. And

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it was, it was right in front of us. So

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if it was, if it was by chance, we were

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in the biggest, like these big walls of, of thickly

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covered forest. Like why wouldn't it be anywhere? If it's random, whatever, whatever,

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would have caused it. Um, why wouldn't it be literally

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anywhere else? Um, why right in front of us, right

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in front of us.

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It's man, it's that kind of thing that makes you wonder. Um,

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I have, I've only done, uh, kind of laughing at myself,

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but I got a little freaked out. Uh, I did solo,

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I've done solo multiple times in the remote woods of Iowa, which,

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you know, they're, It's not like PNW, but for Iowa,

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it's a lot of woods. I've had some random thing

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walk around my tent at 3 in the morning. That

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was weird. Because, hey, if it's not a Bigfoot, it's

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a random person at 3 a.m. in the morning.

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Two legs?

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Oh, yeah, two legs. Yeah, it's weird.

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Yeah, so at that point, you're hoping it's a Bigfoot.

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Yeah, you're hoping, right. And you're like, please, please don't

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let my blood pressure go through my my uh top

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of my head my goodness um it's just it's just

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wild wild stuff is there a place that you would

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not uh that you would not do a solo in

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yeah related.

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Well i wouldn't go back to that exact spot the

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first location on clayoquot sound with a rundown cabin and

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all that and yeah or something flew over the trees

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just because full disclosure i like made a deal with

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the forest that night i was so afraid i was

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like right i'm pulling on all the stops and like

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and like I know how afraid I am if I

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say a prayer. It's only been a few times when

447
00:23:36.210 --> 00:23:38.329
I'm out in the woods alone where like I said

448
00:23:38.349 --> 00:23:41.490
a prayer. That was one of those nights. But on

449
00:23:41.549 --> 00:23:44.710
top of that, I also like I talked to the forest.

450
00:23:44.730 --> 00:23:49.210
I was getting so spooked. And I said something like, listen,

451
00:23:50.410 --> 00:23:52.670
I'm just here for tonight. I'm just here for tonight.

452
00:23:53.190 --> 00:23:57.390
I'm leaving tomorrow morning. So I kind of feel like

453
00:23:57.829 --> 00:24:01.329
I wouldn't go back there. Because I would be lying.

454
00:24:02.029 --> 00:24:06.329
I'd be like, psych, coming back. I'm not going to

455
00:24:06.349 --> 00:24:08.690
come back there with a team of researchers and be like,

456
00:24:09.710 --> 00:24:12.289
you let me go. You shouldn't have. Now we're going

457
00:24:12.329 --> 00:24:15.519
to blow this spot up. I want to go back there.

458
00:24:15.539 --> 00:24:18.079
I want to go back there. I don't know if

459
00:24:18.099 --> 00:24:20.619
there's a spot that I wouldn't go Sasquatch related. There's

460
00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:24.339
definitely a million spots I wouldn't go Ghost related because

461
00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:25.420
I'm really scared of that stuff.

462
00:24:25.740 --> 00:24:29.589
Yeah, yeah. Don't really play those games either.

463
00:24:29.789 --> 00:24:30.269
Exactly.

464
00:24:30.390 --> 00:24:33.849
Can get wacky. Have you ever heard voices when you're

465
00:24:33.869 --> 00:24:34.170
out there?

466
00:24:35.109 --> 00:24:38.859
I thought I have. I thought I have. It's really,

467
00:24:39.130 --> 00:24:41.680
really easy, especially when you're alone, for your mind to

468
00:24:41.700 --> 00:24:42.440
play tricks on you.

469
00:24:42.660 --> 00:24:42.920
Oh, sure.

470
00:24:42.940 --> 00:24:45.119
And, man, when you're on edge, it's like your brain

471
00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:47.740
smells blood, and it's like, all right, we're really going

472
00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:51.059
to mess with them. And I think it's really– you

473
00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:55.380
start to get really spooked. And I think there's been

474
00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:58.329
times where I've heard subtle– where you feel like you're

475
00:24:58.380 --> 00:25:01.869
hearing like, like a, like a, like a, like a

476
00:25:01.910 --> 00:25:05.069
human voice talking. I think maybe like in the blue mountains,

477
00:25:05.130 --> 00:25:09.130
I like briefly thought I heard that. Um, but can

478
00:25:09.170 --> 00:25:11.930
I bank on stuff like that? No, no, because I'm,

479
00:25:12.099 --> 00:25:16.440
I'm super cautious when it comes to, uh, declaring something

480
00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:18.680
the work of Sasquatch. I mean, I mean, I just,

481
00:25:18.980 --> 00:25:21.369
I just, I figured there's so much going on in

482
00:25:21.390 --> 00:25:24.130
the woods. There's so many natural sounds. There's so many

483
00:25:24.190 --> 00:25:27.029
wild animals, each one of them with a wide array

484
00:25:27.049 --> 00:25:31.630
of sounds that they can make. Um, that chances are,

485
00:25:31.950 --> 00:25:34.359
if something weird is happening, if there's a disturbance in

486
00:25:34.380 --> 00:25:36.059
the brush, if you're, even if you're hearing what you

487
00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:38.960
think might be talking, it could just be like, it

488
00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:42.779
literally could be, uh, like, like an, like several different

489
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:45.980
bird species or an owl or just the trees creaking.

490
00:25:46.039 --> 00:25:48.839
And they, they, they like they're slowly moving in the winds.

491
00:25:49.619 --> 00:25:52.339
And you're sitting there and you're dead quiet and you're

492
00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:55.480
getting freaked out. But there's been times where maybe I

493
00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:59.700
thought I might have heard distant talking or something.

494
00:26:00.339 --> 00:26:05.329
Gotcha. Would you ever– I was looking through your videos

495
00:26:05.369 --> 00:26:08.930
and I was like, man. So definitely, as you said before,

496
00:26:09.630 --> 00:26:12.809
got to hit the PNW, the West Coast, all that

497
00:26:12.829 --> 00:26:17.289
good stuff. Have you ever thought of– I mean there

498
00:26:17.309 --> 00:26:21.329
are a few– pretty cool things in, in this, you know,

499
00:26:21.349 --> 00:26:25.049
the middle of the, of the States. I'm thinking specifically of,

500
00:26:25.049 --> 00:26:28.309
have you ever thought of like doing Southeast Oklahoma or,

501
00:26:28.329 --> 00:26:29.789
or Texas or.

502
00:26:29.730 --> 00:26:33.710
Anything like that? I'd love to. I think, um, I, yeah,

503
00:26:33.750 --> 00:26:36.869
I may start opening myself up to like winter excursions.

504
00:26:36.910 --> 00:26:40.339
So like places that I can hit up in the winter. Um, so,

505
00:26:40.390 --> 00:26:41.859
you know, the, for me, that would be like, you know,

506
00:26:41.890 --> 00:26:45.559
heading down South and yeah, there's a lot like the, the, the, the,

507
00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:53.000
the Smokies in general. Um, You know, that whole area, Texas, Oklahoma.

508
00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:58.859
It's not the Smokies in Texas, but, you know, the swamps.

509
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:03.410
I'm kind of scared of the swamps, but like, you know, Florida, Louisiana.

510
00:27:03.490 --> 00:27:06.430
I used to go down to we used to go

511
00:27:06.450 --> 00:27:08.309
down to Florida every year as a family. And like

512
00:27:08.349 --> 00:27:10.130
I said, I would like kind of sneak off and

513
00:27:10.150 --> 00:27:14.170
do Bigfoot stuff. And Myaka, the Myaka skunk ape, if

514
00:27:14.269 --> 00:27:17.369
anyone Googles the Myaka skunk ape, like that was right there.

515
00:27:17.390 --> 00:27:18.930
We used to go to Myaka every year because we

516
00:27:18.950 --> 00:27:21.029
used to go there and look for alligators and wildlife.

517
00:27:21.089 --> 00:27:25.190
And then I used to, you know, convince my mom

518
00:27:25.210 --> 00:27:26.990
at the time to like go pig footing with me.

519
00:27:27.049 --> 00:27:30.630
And I would– so, I mean, I would love to

520
00:27:30.670 --> 00:27:32.650
go down there and actually film it and make videos

521
00:27:33.230 --> 00:27:35.809
of the things that I like used to do. Oklahoma

522
00:27:35.849 --> 00:27:39.650
is– there are certain areas– Cause I'm also like, I'm also,

523
00:27:40.130 --> 00:27:43.730
I also think like there's certain places where an encounter

524
00:27:43.869 --> 00:27:48.549
is easier to have because the terrain is just easier.

525
00:27:48.670 --> 00:27:52.140
Like whether it's an open forest or whether they're just

526
00:27:52.180 --> 00:27:54.279
located at a bit of a pinch point because of

527
00:27:54.420 --> 00:27:57.700
urban development that like the chances of you maybe seeing

528
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:01.779
something is higher versus like Vancouver Island, Pacific Northwest. Like

529
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:05.029
I would assume their numbers are way higher than, but

530
00:28:05.049 --> 00:28:08.029
the vegetation and the terrain is just so impossible in

531
00:28:08.089 --> 00:28:10.289
places that like they can be 10 feet in front

532
00:28:10.329 --> 00:28:13.829
of you and you wouldn't see one. So, um, you know, there's,

533
00:28:13.849 --> 00:28:16.609
there's other locations that I'd like to travel to, like

534
00:28:16.630 --> 00:28:19.009
you said, like Texas or Oklahoma or something where like,

535
00:28:20.170 --> 00:28:21.990
I feel like it might just be easier to see one.

536
00:28:22.630 --> 00:28:26.349
Oh, sure. Dude, I would love to see you. And,

537
00:28:26.549 --> 00:28:29.329
and we'll, we'll say, we'll, we'll talk about it here

538
00:28:29.349 --> 00:28:33.390
and maybe the right person hearing it can start meddling.

539
00:28:33.750 --> 00:28:34.950
Um, Yeah. Man.

540
00:28:34.990 --> 00:28:39.819
Can you imagine like a solo expedition in like area

541
00:28:40.059 --> 00:28:43.779
X in Southeast Oak, which is like the epicenter of

542
00:28:43.819 --> 00:28:45.579
all the crazy Bigfoot stuff. Yeah.

543
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:48.099
Sign me up. It's during the day. It's every time

544
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:50.400
I hear about a cool idea during the day, I'm like,

545
00:28:50.420 --> 00:28:52.970
let's do it. And then I get there, I get

546
00:28:53.009 --> 00:28:54.769
there and I'm like, and it's nighttime. I'm like, Ooh,

547
00:28:55.130 --> 00:28:58.529
maybe you shouldn't have done this. Yeah. I've heard about

548
00:28:58.569 --> 00:29:01.660
that location down there. I'd like to do, I've always

549
00:29:01.700 --> 00:29:06.549
wanted to do an alone, uh, on Boggy Creek. I, um, yeah, dude, I, I,

550
00:29:06.630 --> 00:29:10.430
you know, everybody wanted me to do that location in

551
00:29:10.529 --> 00:29:14.170
Port Chatham, Alaska. And I tried, I really, really tried. And, uh,

552
00:29:14.849 --> 00:29:16.380
and I was denied. They wouldn't let me do it.

553
00:29:16.390 --> 00:29:19.210
Uh, really? Oh, you had to get like filming permits or.

554
00:29:19.650 --> 00:29:22.410
You gotta get, you gotta get permission from the, uh, yeah,

555
00:29:22.430 --> 00:29:25.390
the native Bay corporation that oversees the land. And they,

556
00:29:25.630 --> 00:29:29.269
they recently hired like a legal team, um, just to

557
00:29:29.309 --> 00:29:31.039
advise them because so many people were trying to go

558
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:34.099
in there and just for liability reasons somebody goes in

559
00:29:34.140 --> 00:29:37.319
there and gets injured uh, they'd be totally screwed. So

560
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:40.039
for that reason, like, yeah, I talked to like the chairman,

561
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:42.299
I had made it pretty far and I almost was

562
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:47.519
like approved until I just needed his approval. He was like, Nope. And, uh,

563
00:29:48.220 --> 00:29:49.119
I was like, huh?

564
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:53.819
Well, well maybe, maybe that happened. And man, that's so,

565
00:29:53.859 --> 00:29:56.180
that's so frustrating. I get why they're doing it. I

566
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:59.710
totally get it guys. Um, but man, give Mike a chance.

567
00:29:59.910 --> 00:30:03.690
Just give, give Mike a chance guys. I know you'd

568
00:30:03.710 --> 00:30:05.970
be respectful for sure. Oh yeah.

569
00:30:06.009 --> 00:30:06.990
Yeah. Yeah.

570
00:30:07.049 --> 00:30:08.589
I get what they're saying. Yeah.

571
00:30:08.630 --> 00:30:10.630
Yeah.

572
00:30:10.930 --> 00:30:14.670
You have had, I like, you've had a few episodes

573
00:30:14.869 --> 00:30:19.529
where you kind of, you team up with some, some

574
00:30:19.549 --> 00:30:24.519
other well-known people in, in the Bigfoot community. Are there

575
00:30:24.619 --> 00:30:29.710
any of those episodes that have been, really fun for

576
00:30:29.789 --> 00:30:32.089
you to experience or, or to film.

577
00:30:32.109 --> 00:30:34.930
Oh dude, it's like so much better. I like, I'm

578
00:30:34.950 --> 00:30:36.930
done with the alone stuff just because it's like, not

579
00:30:36.950 --> 00:30:40.380
even because like it's scary, but because it's just, you

580
00:30:40.390 --> 00:30:42.660
start to lose your mind. Like you start to lose

581
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:46.319
your mind and it's, uh, and, and it's like being

582
00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:51.220
alone in like a terrifying, haunted, cursed location for a night.

583
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:53.680
It's like being alone for a week anywhere else. Like

584
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:58.910
it's just, it's, it's so much more, uh, taxing. emotionally. Um,

585
00:30:59.470 --> 00:31:02.289
and so when I do like these long trips, like

586
00:31:02.349 --> 00:31:04.250
I did six weeks out West and there were some,

587
00:31:04.269 --> 00:31:07.380
there's just periods of time where I'm alone in these

588
00:31:07.470 --> 00:31:10.759
really wild locations or what I just did, um, which

589
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:15.759
was over seven weeks straight. Um, and it's just like, yeah, you're,

590
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:18.420
you're doing one alone after another, after another, after another,

591
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.500
I now prefer for there to be somebody else there

592
00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:24.660
for my own sake, for my own experience, because like,

593
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:27.869
it's just, uh, cause I do so much of the

594
00:31:27.930 --> 00:31:31.490
solo backpacking as well. So it's, it's just, it's nice

595
00:31:31.569 --> 00:31:34.049
to just sit around a campfire and frigging talk to someone. Like,

596
00:31:34.109 --> 00:31:37.450
I don't want a big group. I, I hate groups. Um, it's,

597
00:31:37.730 --> 00:31:39.150
it's fun. If you don't want to look for SAS, Hey,

598
00:31:39.170 --> 00:31:40.519
if you just want to go out and drink with

599
00:31:40.539 --> 00:31:43.759
your buddies, have a good time, tell stories. Great. But like,

600
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:48.140
I was just in the woods for, um, my brother's

601
00:31:48.180 --> 00:31:51.599
birthday and in Maine. And, you know, this four of

602
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:53.779
us sitting around a campfire and I heard like a

603
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:56.680
loon for a second and just everybody's talking through it.

604
00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:59.859
because everybody's telling stories. And I, and I just immediately

605
00:31:59.900 --> 00:32:03.440
thought like, man, that's yeah. Like how, how often would

606
00:32:03.460 --> 00:32:06.980
that happen with like an actual Sasquatch situation where people

607
00:32:07.009 --> 00:32:09.910
are just talking through it because they're not, they're not

608
00:32:10.210 --> 00:32:13.250
out there for that. They're not out there listening for it. Um,

609
00:32:13.269 --> 00:32:16.230
whereas like when I'm alone, that's why that's part of

610
00:32:16.250 --> 00:32:18.299
the reason why I do it alone is because I just, it,

611
00:32:18.450 --> 00:32:22.609
it heightens your senses. Um, and you're just so in

612
00:32:22.670 --> 00:32:25.450
tune with your surroundings and the subtleties of the forest

613
00:32:25.470 --> 00:32:30.259
and the noises. that you can really pick up on things, but, um,

614
00:32:30.579 --> 00:32:32.900
you can also lose your mind a little bit. So, so,

615
00:32:33.099 --> 00:32:36.859
so yeah, to answer your question in the longest way possible. Yeah. I, um,

616
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:40.200
I've now, I now really see the value of, of

617
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:44.170
just having like one other person, maybe two that I really,

618
00:32:44.190 --> 00:32:45.930
really trust. They're not going to go, Oh, that was

619
00:32:46.029 --> 00:32:48.990
big foot. And I was like, no, that was a woodpecker. Yeah.

620
00:32:50.380 --> 00:32:53.680
You know, but like someone like Shane Corson or Eric

621
00:32:53.740 --> 00:32:54.539
on Vancouver Island.

622
00:32:54.740 --> 00:32:57.140
One place you've been, you've been to multiple places I

623
00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:58.980
haven't been able to go to yet because I just

624
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.619
get stuck in Oregon because I love it so much.

625
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:04.220
Wait, do you live in Oregon?

626
00:33:04.779 --> 00:33:06.059
No, I live in Iowa, dude.

627
00:33:07.099 --> 00:33:08.359
Wait, so how do you get stuck in Oregon?

628
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:13.630
Well, because it's a whole deal. Like there's so many,

629
00:33:14.569 --> 00:33:17.230
my first place I went to in the PNW was

630
00:33:17.329 --> 00:33:19.130
Oregon and And I was like, oh, there's this place

631
00:33:19.190 --> 00:33:21.450
and this place to go to. And like, I'll never

632
00:33:21.509 --> 00:33:24.109
hit a mall for the rest of my life. And like,

633
00:33:24.430 --> 00:33:26.539
I'll never get to Washington. I got to get to Washington.

634
00:33:26.579 --> 00:33:29.380
But it's just like, there's too many things. No, I've

635
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:33.740
never been. Never been, dude. I know, man. Here's why. So,

636
00:33:34.380 --> 00:33:37.309
and that kind of leads me into, so I've never

637
00:33:37.329 --> 00:33:40.750
been to Washington. And I've never been to the Gifford Pinchot.

638
00:33:40.769 --> 00:33:44.829
It's come up so much on this podcast. Does it

639
00:33:44.910 --> 00:33:47.509
live up? to the hype in your opinion? Cause I

640
00:33:47.549 --> 00:33:50.880
know you went to, to it with a Shane Corson.

641
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:56.160
Yeah. I mean, I mean, it depends on like what

642
00:33:56.180 --> 00:33:58.700
you're going there for. Like if you're going there strictly

643
00:33:58.740 --> 00:34:04.509
for a Sasquatch encounter, you know, my answer might change.

644
00:34:04.630 --> 00:34:08.210
Maybe like I, I go into things with a mindset

645
00:34:08.250 --> 00:34:11.010
of like the chances of something Sasquatch related happening are very,

646
00:34:11.050 --> 00:34:13.840
very slim right now. So let's go to a beautiful

647
00:34:13.900 --> 00:34:15.989
place where it's just going to be frigging awesome to

648
00:34:16.030 --> 00:34:18.369
just be there. And, and, and, you know, if you're

649
00:34:18.389 --> 00:34:21.090
in the whole rainforest, if you don't have a Sasquatch

650
00:34:21.130 --> 00:34:23.269
encounter happen, Hey, you're still in the whole rainforest. And

651
00:34:23.289 --> 00:34:27.829
that's like the most magical experience ever. Um, but, and, and, but,

652
00:34:28.070 --> 00:34:31.280
but let's face it, the Gifford Pinchot is squatchy. And, uh, like,

653
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:34.219
does that live up to the, to the, to the height? Like, yeah,

654
00:34:34.260 --> 00:34:38.409
I'd say so. Like seeing Mount St. Helens, um, Mount St.

655
00:34:38.449 --> 00:34:40.889
Helens was just, man, it was cool. And the woods

656
00:34:40.929 --> 00:34:45.710
just had this darkness, like mystery to them. And there's

657
00:34:45.730 --> 00:34:48.239
just certain places like that where you go and you're like,

658
00:34:48.929 --> 00:34:51.280
you're like, man, you can just feel it. Like you

659
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:56.539
can feel that there's this species out there just beyond reach,

660
00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:59.579
just beyond eyesight, like just beyond what we can comprehend

661
00:34:59.619 --> 00:35:04.989
that's there watching you. You can just like feel it. Um, and, and, and,

662
00:35:05.150 --> 00:35:08.050
and places like Mount St. Helens are, are there really

663
00:35:08.110 --> 00:35:10.019
like that, man, you can just picture something in those

664
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:13.159
dark woods looking at you, not to mention like from

665
00:35:13.380 --> 00:35:16.019
an ecosystem standpoint, it all fully makes sense. That's something.

666
00:35:16.099 --> 00:35:16.380
Oh, sure.

667
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:17.599
Yeah.

668
00:35:18.340 --> 00:35:21.010
Uh, if my wife ever listens to this, um, which

669
00:35:21.050 --> 00:35:25.369
probably not, but that's okay. Um, she will be mad

670
00:35:25.429 --> 00:35:27.929
because I have to take back what I said a

671
00:35:28.250 --> 00:35:31.940
minute ago. We have been to Washington. It was pretty Bigfoot.

672
00:35:32.019 --> 00:35:37.280
We actually– I took her out on a surprise honeymoon

673
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:38.800
out to Forks for Twilight.

674
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:41.980
Dude, that's a big deal. You cannot forget that that happened.

675
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.159
It's your honeymoon. Now you got to make sure she

676
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:45.840
doesn't watch this.

677
00:35:45.860 --> 00:35:47.539
I'm going to have to edit this a little bit.

678
00:35:48.619 --> 00:35:51.000
I get out alive. But, yeah, I didn't– I wasn't

679
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:52.940
into the Bigfoot stuff back then. So it was a

680
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:55.880
total lost opportunity because I remember like we stopped at

681
00:35:55.940 --> 00:36:01.139
Lake Crescent, which is like the– a crazy epicenter for activity.

682
00:36:01.380 --> 00:36:01.840
Yeah.

683
00:36:02.260 --> 00:36:05.500
You know, uh, got, you know, anyways, that's a whole

684
00:36:05.539 --> 00:36:08.699
different podcast. Listen to my twilight podcast for that. I

685
00:36:08.739 --> 00:36:12.159
don't actually.

686
00:36:12.179 --> 00:36:14.329
Yeah, man. Twilight, this twilight, that up there.

687
00:36:14.429 --> 00:36:15.710
Oh my goodness. For sure.

688
00:36:15.750 --> 00:36:16.929
For locals.

689
00:36:17.449 --> 00:36:19.650
Yeah. What was it like hanging out with the Browns

690
00:36:19.750 --> 00:36:22.170
on their property? I know that that is, there's been

691
00:36:22.210 --> 00:36:23.889
a ton of activity on there. Yeah.

692
00:36:24.449 --> 00:36:27.139
So I mean, all the places I've been, like, I

693
00:36:27.179 --> 00:36:31.719
always tell people like, I think the most guaranteed Sasquatch

694
00:36:31.739 --> 00:36:34.519
sighting that I could think of where I'd be like,

695
00:36:34.659 --> 00:36:37.760
all right, this person needs to experience something and they're

696
00:36:37.780 --> 00:36:40.530
willing to do whatever it takes. I think what you

697
00:36:40.570 --> 00:36:43.789
should do is not go to Vancouver Island, not Nordeg,

698
00:36:44.110 --> 00:36:46.289
not Bluff Creek, any of these places, go to the

699
00:36:46.329 --> 00:36:51.210
Brown property mid October and just go camp in their

700
00:36:51.250 --> 00:36:54.969
backyard for a week alone. And you can't tell me

701
00:36:55.010 --> 00:36:59.030
that something intense is not going to happen. Um, I like,

702
00:36:59.110 --> 00:37:02.110
I just, I, because I really feel like I just really,

703
00:37:02.389 --> 00:37:05.980
I think there's certain locations, whether it's like private land

704
00:37:06.219 --> 00:37:09.820
or Indian reservations where this species as intelligent as it

705
00:37:10.019 --> 00:37:13.760
is understands that these are places where outsiders don't really

706
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:16.840
travel and there's not going to be development. A parking

707
00:37:16.860 --> 00:37:19.599
lot isn't going to go in like, and, and they

708
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:23.679
just find, I think safety likely find like safety in

709
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:27.070
knowing that and having trusted people like the Browns, like

710
00:37:27.090 --> 00:37:31.590
don't put out cameras. And these Sasquatch like come right

711
00:37:31.650 --> 00:37:33.340
up to their house. They come right up to their

712
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:36.820
house and have cleaned out, you know, their, their, their

713
00:37:37.019 --> 00:37:40.739
vegetables and fruit and stuff. And, um, and man, they

714
00:37:40.780 --> 00:37:42.960
have all kinds of, you know, I'm sure, you know,

715
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:47.400
like photos and audio and thermal, but, but I was there, um,

716
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:50.400
I think like mid September, but yeah, you go there

717
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:54.139
in October a week, a week in a tent alone.

718
00:37:54.179 --> 00:37:57.630
There's no way something isn't going to go down. It's

719
00:37:57.650 --> 00:37:59.409
just can you handle it? Are you going to last

720
00:37:59.449 --> 00:37:59.909
the week?

721
00:38:01.190 --> 00:38:04.269
For sure, dude. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, I can't even imagine. Also,

722
00:38:04.289 --> 00:38:06.809
don't just show up at the Browns.

723
00:38:07.829 --> 00:38:08.630
Yeah, I'm sorry.

724
00:38:09.849 --> 00:38:12.650
Mike Wander said to just show up and tent here. No,

725
00:38:12.710 --> 00:38:15.010
you got to ask people before you just show up.

726
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:18.320
Wild stuff. You've been to Mount Hood. I've been out

727
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:21.039
in the woods in Mount Hood National Forest. What was

728
00:38:21.059 --> 00:38:24.260
it like tenting, camping out in the Mount Hood area?

729
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:27.400
I mean, I've heard some intense stuff out there.

730
00:38:28.110 --> 00:38:31.570
Yeah, it was awesome. Um, I, uh, where I, the

731
00:38:31.590 --> 00:38:34.369
first time I went out to Oregon, I did Mount hood. Yeah.

732
00:38:34.389 --> 00:38:37.489
I think it was in like the Clackamas area. And, uh,

733
00:38:37.730 --> 00:38:39.610
I just went to a place where Tyler from the

734
00:38:39.690 --> 00:38:43.110
NABC told me that he had one, um, like reached

735
00:38:43.139 --> 00:38:47.320
through his tent. Um, so I went there and, or,

736
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:49.880
and again, then he said he also like heard them

737
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:54.039
screaming or heard like two figures screaming at each other. Um,

738
00:38:54.179 --> 00:38:56.000
so I went to that spot and spent a couple

739
00:38:56.019 --> 00:38:58.369
of nights alone or, yeah, I think I was there

740
00:38:58.389 --> 00:38:59.889
for one night and then I spent a second night

741
00:38:59.909 --> 00:39:01.760
somewhere else. It was awesome. It was, it was, it

742
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:03.900
was cool. It was like sometimes looking for Bigfoot, it's

743
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.579
just a cool magical experience where it's like, maybe these,

744
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:08.780
maybe these things are here and it's not like you

745
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:11.429
don't get like overwhelmed by fear. Like I wasn't, I

746
00:39:11.449 --> 00:39:15.429
wasn't intensely afraid, um, in Mount Hood. Like that was,

747
00:39:15.530 --> 00:39:17.690
that was a, that was a really cool experience. Unfortunately,

748
00:39:17.710 --> 00:39:19.719
I think that entire area was clear cut since I've

749
00:39:19.739 --> 00:39:24.300
been there. Um, And yeah, Mount Hood was awesome. I

750
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:26.570
actually went back recently. I still have to edit this

751
00:39:26.610 --> 00:39:27.670
video and I did Tillamook.

752
00:39:28.769 --> 00:39:30.550
Um, Oh yeah. On the coast.

753
00:39:30.570 --> 00:39:34.320
Yeah. I did the, I did like coastal Oregon and, and,

754
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:35.780
you know, Cliff kind of helped me out and like

755
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:40.559
where to go and that, I mean, the rain ended up, but, um,

756
00:39:41.099 --> 00:39:43.300
but yeah, that's, I mean, that's a squatchy place too.

757
00:39:44.260 --> 00:39:49.079
Oh my goodness. Um, going back to where we started, uh,

758
00:39:50.190 --> 00:39:54.789
Bluff Creek is such an interesting area. Um, there can

759
00:39:54.809 --> 00:39:56.449
be a lot of weird, did you have any weird

760
00:39:56.489 --> 00:40:00.320
stuff happening in Bluff Creek? I've heard from some people

761
00:40:00.429 --> 00:40:03.539
that they have experienced things out of the ordinary. There

762
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:06.119
was a pretty normal situation for you.

763
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:09.539
I was pretty, yeah, I think it's pretty normal. I'm sorry.

764
00:40:09.780 --> 00:40:12.760
I tried my best to be pretty grounded. I'm not

765
00:40:12.780 --> 00:40:18.050
going to be like, yeah. Um, uh, I, uh, I

766
00:40:18.110 --> 00:40:19.789
think I remember when I was there, I ended up

767
00:40:19.989 --> 00:40:22.559
maybe for the first time feeling, I think I was

768
00:40:22.579 --> 00:40:24.719
hiking around on the forestry roads and I, I kind

769
00:40:24.739 --> 00:40:27.019
of just, one of those things where you're turning around

770
00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:28.920
every five seconds. I think that was kind of the

771
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:32.809
first time I'd really felt that granted. I absolutely allow

772
00:40:32.829 --> 00:40:37.780
for the possibility that you're freaking yourself out. Um, but yeah,

773
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:38.780
it was one of those things where I just kept

774
00:40:38.820 --> 00:40:41.239
turning around every five seconds and we start walking a

775
00:40:41.260 --> 00:40:44.550
little faster and suddenly it just feels like there's something

776
00:40:44.610 --> 00:40:48.130
behind you. I remember I felt, I felt that there. Um,

777
00:40:48.329 --> 00:40:51.610
but other than that, nothing, nothing happened in, uh, bluff Creek.

778
00:40:51.630 --> 00:40:54.389
I actually just went back to bluff Creek. Um, but

779
00:40:54.409 --> 00:40:55.989
I was on the other side of the go road

780
00:40:56.070 --> 00:40:59.690
and I did like the six rivers national four. I

781
00:40:59.710 --> 00:41:01.730
met up with a, um, a guy who works for

782
00:41:01.750 --> 00:41:06.119
like the six rivers ranger district. Um, And, uh, we

783
00:41:06.139 --> 00:41:13.519
did some stuff out there. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah. We did, um, no, no, no.

784
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:15.530
We did some stuff out there. We didn't, I don't

785
00:41:15.570 --> 00:41:18.369
know if, I don't know if we, uh, experienced, I

786
00:41:18.409 --> 00:41:21.789
heard a mountain line, which is crazy. Um, he took

787
00:41:21.809 --> 00:41:24.980
me to a spot where I spent one night alone

788
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:27.130
up on the go road like towards the end of

789
00:41:27.210 --> 00:41:29.130
it where it's like cut off where it doesn't continue

790
00:41:29.349 --> 00:41:31.949
onto the, uh, bluff on the Willow Creek, Buff Creek side,

791
00:41:31.969 --> 00:41:34.179
whatever it is. Um, cause like the tribe wouldn't let

792
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.039
them finish it. Um, so I, I spent a night

793
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:40.639
up there alone and then I met up with, uh, yeah,

794
00:41:40.659 --> 00:41:42.860
this guy who works for the ranger district. And, um,

795
00:41:43.219 --> 00:41:44.579
he took me to a spot where he had just

796
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:49.570
seen one like a couple of weeks beforehand. Um, apparently. And, uh,

797
00:41:50.650 --> 00:41:52.769
I don't know if, I don't know if anything too

798
00:41:52.829 --> 00:41:55.559
bizarre happened. I get to listen to my audio. on

799
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:57.940
all these excursions that I just went on. I haven't

800
00:41:58.099 --> 00:42:00.340
listened to any of that, but he was telling me

801
00:42:00.380 --> 00:42:02.949
something interesting where like, I think he talks about this

802
00:42:02.989 --> 00:42:06.829
on camera where he woke up one night after they

803
00:42:06.849 --> 00:42:08.090
heard all this stuff in the middle of the night

804
00:42:08.110 --> 00:42:09.829
and there was a little green army man in front

805
00:42:09.869 --> 00:42:14.030
of his tent. Um, and I was just like, I

806
00:42:14.050 --> 00:42:17.420
was saying to him, you know, again, I'm being annoying.

807
00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:19.440
And I was like, all right, they're like, well, like there,

808
00:42:19.539 --> 00:42:22.260
there's no chance that like you had something like that

809
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:25.059
in your pack or, you know, and, and, you know,

810
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:28.800
and he's like, no, no, no. And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

811
00:42:29.260 --> 00:42:31.360
But what's really crazy is that he just texted me

812
00:42:31.409 --> 00:42:33.289
the other day and he was camping somewhere else in

813
00:42:33.309 --> 00:42:35.949
the Sierras. And he said, little green army man in

814
00:42:35.969 --> 00:42:36.750
front of his tent again.

815
00:42:37.409 --> 00:42:41.989
No way. Oh, that's wild. Um, Okay. So were you

816
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:45.559
able to, uh, did he share like his account then?

817
00:42:45.619 --> 00:42:46.579
Were you able to.

818
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:49.519
Get that on film? Yeah. Yeah. He was, he was

819
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.179
talking about it on, on camera. I deal with a

820
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.760
lot of people who don't want to be on camera,

821
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:57.940
which sucks, but also, you know, I totally get it.

822
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:00.989
Not only do I find their stories sometimes more credible

823
00:43:01.030 --> 00:43:03.489
when they don't want to be on camera, like in

824
00:43:03.530 --> 00:43:05.130
no way, I'm like, Oh, screw it. Then I'm not

825
00:43:05.150 --> 00:43:08.110
meeting with you. I'm kind of more interested when, uh,

826
00:43:08.349 --> 00:43:11.230
you're not in this for all the reasons that you know,

827
00:43:11.269 --> 00:43:14.130
someone might fear you're in it for like you, you

828
00:43:14.170 --> 00:43:16.409
had something happen to you that you, that they usually

829
00:43:16.469 --> 00:43:20.250
wish didn't happen and they're terrified and they have no

830
00:43:20.329 --> 00:43:24.550
interest in getting any type of attention for it. Um, and,

831
00:43:24.820 --> 00:43:28.619
and they just want to share their, their story with me. Um,

832
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:30.880
and so that happens a lot. Just, you know, people

833
00:43:30.900 --> 00:43:33.480
who don't want to be on camera. So that happened

834
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:36.400
a lot on this recent trip where, uh, man, I

835
00:43:36.420 --> 00:43:38.159
wish these people would appear on camera, but they wouldn't.

836
00:43:38.980 --> 00:43:39.840
Oh, I'm Prince of Wales.

837
00:43:41.559 --> 00:43:44.460
Uh, yeah, well, I got, I got someone awesome on

838
00:43:44.500 --> 00:43:46.340
Prince of Wales Island. There were a couple other people.

839
00:43:46.699 --> 00:43:48.639
There were like 10 people. Every person I talked to

840
00:43:48.699 --> 00:43:52.239
on Prince of Wales Island had a crazy story. I,

841
00:43:52.420 --> 00:43:54.400
I now, I now I'm like Prince of Wales Island

842
00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:56.880
is the squatchiest place I've ever been. I think it

843
00:43:56.980 --> 00:44:00.949
is because it's just, there's nobody going in there, knocking

844
00:44:00.989 --> 00:44:03.469
on trees, doing whoops, doing anything like that. It's just,

845
00:44:03.530 --> 00:44:06.869
it just doesn't happen. And it is massive. It is

846
00:44:06.909 --> 00:44:11.449
just you flying in. It's just, endless mountainous valleys all

847
00:44:11.489 --> 00:44:14.510
covered in what looks like untouched forest. Like there was

848
00:44:14.550 --> 00:44:17.110
a big logging system in there, but not really anymore.

849
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:23.300
And it's just wild wilderness in Southeast Alaska. And every

850
00:44:23.340 --> 00:44:25.960
single person I talked to up there had a crazy story.

851
00:44:25.980 --> 00:44:28.809
Like if they didn't have something directly themselves, they were like,

852
00:44:29.710 --> 00:44:31.829
they were like, Oh no, that's stupid. But my best

853
00:44:31.889 --> 00:44:34.809
friend swears in his life that he saw something, blah, blah, blah.

854
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:38.619
So that kept happening. The Tlingit were telling me all

855
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:40.829
kinds of stories. But there was a couple people who

856
00:44:40.849 --> 00:44:43.550
wouldn't appear on camera on Prince of Wales Island as

857
00:44:43.590 --> 00:44:47.289
well as outside Ketchikan. But they still were with me

858
00:44:47.469 --> 00:44:49.469
off camera sharing their stories.

859
00:44:50.369 --> 00:44:53.539
Absolutely. Man, that place is– I'm thinking of one of

860
00:44:53.579 --> 00:44:59.400
the most weirdest interviews I had was a forestry worker

861
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:03.820
where he was just out in the woods– doing some

862
00:45:03.860 --> 00:45:05.559
hunting or something like that and he like looks over

863
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:11.300
and it's what looks like a huge orangutan is like

864
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:13.699
getting fish out of the water and it's just like

865
00:45:13.929 --> 00:45:17.670
it's so strange the orangutan type ones always weird me

866
00:45:17.730 --> 00:45:20.889
out i've heard it a few times um you've you've

867
00:45:20.949 --> 00:45:24.510
not had a visual yet do you have anything in

868
00:45:24.590 --> 00:45:29.119
mind of like if you were to visualize okay i'll

869
00:45:29.179 --> 00:45:32.070
know it's bigfoot Cause it looks like this or you're

870
00:45:32.110 --> 00:45:35.150
just open to anything weird. Like it could look like

871
00:45:35.389 --> 00:45:36.809
anything and you'll just know.

872
00:45:38.170 --> 00:45:42.489
Uh, man, I hopefully it's relatively clear. Otherwise I'm going

873
00:45:42.510 --> 00:45:43.949
to live in doubt for the rest of my life.

874
00:45:44.409 --> 00:45:47.909
Like even like anything that I don't record ends up

875
00:45:48.230 --> 00:45:51.909
eventually just getting like gray as it goes. It just

876
00:45:51.929 --> 00:45:54.389
gets grayer and grayer in my mind. And even what

877
00:45:54.429 --> 00:45:56.710
happened to me, you know, what flew over the trees,

878
00:45:56.769 --> 00:46:01.019
like that's that memory is fading. Cause I didn't record it. And,

879
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:06.320
you know, as time goes on, I myself will be like, well,

880
00:46:06.619 --> 00:46:09.460
you know, was it really as dramatic as, but like, like,

881
00:46:09.610 --> 00:46:11.309
and I, I, but I remember in the moment being like,

882
00:46:11.570 --> 00:46:14.710
don't let this fade. This was intense. And if I

883
00:46:14.750 --> 00:46:17.050
didn't record that knock up on clay, a quad sound

884
00:46:17.070 --> 00:46:19.789
with Eric, that too would have faded. And if I

885
00:46:19.829 --> 00:46:21.510
was there alone and I didn't have someone there to

886
00:46:21.550 --> 00:46:24.960
corroborate what happened, like, I think that over time it

887
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:29.070
would have, I would have been doubting it. You know,

888
00:46:29.329 --> 00:46:32.610
and I would have said, ah, was it really that loud? Like,

889
00:46:32.650 --> 00:46:34.510
and if it wasn't that loud, it could have been this.

890
00:46:34.530 --> 00:46:37.449
It could have been that. So hopefully if I see something,

891
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:39.360
it's clear as day. Otherwise, I'm going to doubt it

892
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:42.460
for the rest of my life. But, you know, I'm

893
00:46:42.500 --> 00:46:44.960
almost expecting it to just kind of look pretty human-like.

894
00:46:48.539 --> 00:46:51.059
But who knows? Who knows? Expect the unexpected.

895
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:57.880
No, 100%. I agree 100%. Right with you on that one.

896
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:03.070
So your channel is not just Bigfoot, but you also

897
00:47:03.110 --> 00:47:05.110
have some really cool videos where it's like you've gone

898
00:47:05.150 --> 00:47:11.170
into national parks. I believe you've gone to Glacier and Yellowstone, right?

899
00:47:11.869 --> 00:47:17.650
Everywhere, man. Now it's like freaking everywhere. It's crazy. I'm exhausted, dude.

900
00:47:17.670 --> 00:47:20.010
I'm like barely alive at this point. I was like

901
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:22.840
crawling to the finish line of my last trip that

902
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.780
I did because I just– you know, I, I'm not

903
00:47:25.820 --> 00:47:28.679
really like, uh, I, I don't know. I, I used

904
00:47:28.699 --> 00:47:30.340
to go on like these week trips with my wife,

905
00:47:30.380 --> 00:47:32.559
maybe 10 days and we would jam pack it. And

906
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:34.469
my theory was like, well, what happens if I just

907
00:47:34.510 --> 00:47:36.250
do that for like six weeks? You know, if I

908
00:47:36.510 --> 00:47:40.949
just jam pack six weeks and like every day you're

909
00:47:40.989 --> 00:47:43.449
really going for it, whether it's the Bigfoot stuff and

910
00:47:43.670 --> 00:47:45.690
taking a float plane to a remote location alone or

911
00:47:45.730 --> 00:47:48.150
having a boat drop you off or going to places

912
00:47:48.170 --> 00:47:50.469
where people tell you not to go, uh, probably for

913
00:47:50.489 --> 00:47:53.590
good reason or like backpacking alone with grizzlies and some

914
00:47:53.610 --> 00:47:56.829
of the wildest places. Like I want to do that

915
00:47:56.909 --> 00:47:58.949
on paper. Like I talk about during the day, it

916
00:47:59.070 --> 00:48:01.550
all sounds great, but then it's just the cumulative effect

917
00:48:01.590 --> 00:48:06.199
of that is just exhausting. Um, but yeah, with this last,

918
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:08.619
like nearly two month trip I just did, I was

919
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:11.940
all over the place, all kinds of different national parks

920
00:48:11.980 --> 00:48:15.019
and took a lot out of me. What is interesting

921
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:18.920
is a lot, all the backpacking I do, I really don't, um,

922
00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:23.489
see or hear or feel a lot of the Bigfoot

923
00:48:23.670 --> 00:48:26.429
related things that I do feel, see and hear when

924
00:48:26.449 --> 00:48:30.780
I'm in these red hot Sasquatch locations. Um, like you don't,

925
00:48:30.820 --> 00:48:33.500
you really don't like hike around for a week and

926
00:48:33.699 --> 00:48:36.320
constantly go like what's behind me. You're like, it doesn't

927
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:40.219
actually happen. Um, and, but it does happen when you're

928
00:48:40.260 --> 00:48:44.590
in these really spooky places. Um, but so many, so

929
00:48:44.610 --> 00:48:48.090
many different, just life changing things in, in, in, in

930
00:48:48.130 --> 00:48:50.429
my backpacking trips. And I always say this to people like,

931
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:53.420
if it somehow came out tomorrow, which it wouldn't because

932
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:55.780
Sasquatch is real, but if it somehow came out tomorrow

933
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:58.260
that Sasquatch doesn't exist and it never existed, I wouldn't

934
00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:01.800
spend one less day in the wilderness because there's already

935
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:04.949
infinite reasons to get out into the most beautiful places

936
00:49:05.010 --> 00:49:08.010
in North America. Agreed. I mean, if there was one

937
00:49:08.110 --> 00:49:10.269
grizzly bear in North America, the whole world would be

938
00:49:10.289 --> 00:49:12.469
talking about it and be like, there's a grizzly bear.

939
00:49:12.849 --> 00:49:15.590
But it's just like, it's the fact that there's all

940
00:49:15.650 --> 00:49:18.889
these animals that we're just used to existing that we've

941
00:49:18.929 --> 00:49:23.519
just grown completely with. Like, like, like, like the fact

942
00:49:23.539 --> 00:49:26.360
that there's grizzly bears walking around is insane. Like the

943
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.409
fact that Africa has all these well documented, documented animals

944
00:49:29.429 --> 00:49:32.030
that we all know about. It's crazy. It's, it's crazier

945
00:49:32.070 --> 00:49:36.190
than Sasquatch that there's giraffes and lions and tigers and

946
00:49:36.250 --> 00:49:40.019
polar bears. Like, So to me, there's already like infinite

947
00:49:40.059 --> 00:49:45.110
beauty and infinite reasons to get out there. But I mean, yeah, man,

948
00:49:45.139 --> 00:49:47.670
to be alone at the top of like the Cascades,

949
00:49:47.750 --> 00:49:52.269
watching the sunrise or watching a sunset in Glacier National

950
00:49:52.309 --> 00:49:56.869
Park with waterfalls around you or just to be amongst

951
00:49:56.909 --> 00:50:00.289
an old growth forest, old growth rainforest, wherever that is,

952
00:50:00.349 --> 00:50:04.489
it's just incredible. Or to be, you know, alone with

953
00:50:04.510 --> 00:50:07.360
grizzlies is ridiculously heart pounding in Alaska. Yeah.

954
00:50:08.659 --> 00:50:10.559
What's the closest you got to a grizzly?

955
00:50:11.239 --> 00:50:15.719
Way too close, especially this last trip, man, this last trip.

956
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:20.730
I'm always excited to go have a grizzly experience. I'm

957
00:50:20.769 --> 00:50:25.449
always excited to go see some grizzlies. And for me,

958
00:50:25.489 --> 00:50:27.409
if I go out to Yellowstone and I backpack for

959
00:50:27.429 --> 00:50:30.920
a week, the highlight is if I maybe see a grizzly.

960
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:33.199
But even if you don't, to me, it's always so exciting,

961
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:36.289
the idea that they're around. and that like, man, you're

962
00:50:36.309 --> 00:50:38.010
not on the top of the food chain and you

963
00:50:38.030 --> 00:50:40.250
got to do things right. Don't screw up. There's big

964
00:50:40.309 --> 00:50:43.739
tracks everywhere. It's so exciting. It's, it's electric. Um, but

965
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:45.539
it's always like the best moment if, man, if you

966
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:47.659
do happen to see a bear, but for me to

967
00:50:47.699 --> 00:50:50.760
go out to cat, my national park where the, the

968
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:54.519
highest concentration of brown bears are in the world and, and,

969
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:58.440
and have all those close run-ins that I had with a,

970
00:50:58.619 --> 00:51:03.150
with gigantic, like SUV size brown bears. Um, like that was,

971
00:51:04.010 --> 00:51:07.070
It was kind of exhausting after a while. At first,

972
00:51:07.130 --> 00:51:08.829
it was like the beginning of Jurassic Park when they

973
00:51:08.849 --> 00:51:11.530
first see the dinosaurs and everyone's like, oh, and there's

974
00:51:11.570 --> 00:51:14.550
beautiful music playing. And then after a while, it's like,

975
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:18.039
all right, get me out of here. We're not in control.

976
00:51:18.400 --> 00:51:21.599
Everything we're doing is being dictated by the behavior of

977
00:51:21.659 --> 00:51:24.500
something else. Like, oh, guys, there's a bear outside. Nobody

978
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:30.139
can leave. Or there's a bear attacking the plane. For real?

979
00:51:30.380 --> 00:51:32.619
And we can't get the bear to stop attacking the plane.

980
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:33.449
Are you serious?

981
00:51:33.940 --> 00:51:36.159
Yeah. The Rangers are like trying to get it to stop.

982
00:51:36.219 --> 00:51:39.380
And it's like, screw you. They're like, stop it. And

983
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:41.610
they're like throwing sticks at it. It was like not

984
00:51:41.619 --> 00:51:44.630
doing anything like guys, this is not, I don't love

985
00:51:44.670 --> 00:51:47.809
the idea that they seem to be running the show here. Um,

986
00:51:48.590 --> 00:51:51.199
and then in Denali, I backpacked Denali. I did a, uh,

987
00:51:51.690 --> 00:51:53.789
I closed on my whole trip recently doing a solo

988
00:51:53.809 --> 00:51:57.389
backpack in Denali. That was the sketchiest thing I've ever done. And, um,

989
00:51:57.670 --> 00:52:00.710
just because I'd never, there was one day where I

990
00:52:00.730 --> 00:52:03.130
know I saw, I saw six Grizzlies in the first

991
00:52:03.190 --> 00:52:06.480
two days. Um, and it was just like, I was

992
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:10.150
already grizzlied out from Katmai and I just wanted to

993
00:52:10.190 --> 00:52:13.309
have like a nice backpacking experience. And instead it was like,

994
00:52:13.789 --> 00:52:16.449
it was constant grizzly. So you just, you're not able

995
00:52:16.489 --> 00:52:20.409
to rest and your heart is just pounding the whole time. Um,

996
00:52:20.869 --> 00:52:22.690
and there's no trails there. So, you know, you could,

997
00:52:22.809 --> 00:52:26.380
you could come upon one through thick bush at any moment.

998
00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:29.239
Oh, that's horrifying. Yeah. Oh my goodness. I didn't think

999
00:52:29.300 --> 00:52:32.860
about that. Cause it could be right there. Um, I

1000
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:38.070
saw this TikTok with, it's always good sentence starts with that.

1001
00:52:38.449 --> 00:52:42.769
I saw this TikTok where a rep from Colossal was

1002
00:52:42.809 --> 00:52:48.159
being interviewed and someone was like, would you bring back

1003
00:52:49.409 --> 00:52:51.090
the short, was it short-faced bear?

1004
00:52:51.110 --> 00:52:51.809
No, no.

1005
00:52:52.429 --> 00:52:56.210
And they were like, probably we wouldn't. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa,

1006
00:52:56.230 --> 00:52:59.489
let's circle back to you saying probably. Like that should

1007
00:52:59.510 --> 00:53:02.010
be a blanket no for all time, right?

1008
00:53:02.150 --> 00:53:04.610
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, hey, as long as you're

1009
00:53:04.630 --> 00:53:08.829
keeping it in a cage. By the way, like Jurassic Park,

1010
00:53:08.989 --> 00:53:11.150
you ever been in like a good zoo? Like it's

1011
00:53:11.170 --> 00:53:14.949
just like their enclosures are better than the Jurassic Park enclosures.

1012
00:53:15.090 --> 00:53:18.070
So the animals aren't going to get out for the

1013
00:53:18.110 --> 00:53:21.170
most part. But yeah, I mean, they're not really like

1014
00:53:21.210 --> 00:53:24.730
releasing these animals into the wild, but, but, but yeah,

1015
00:53:24.789 --> 00:53:27.590
we don't need any bigger bears. We don't need any

1016
00:53:27.610 --> 00:53:30.340
bigger bears. The bears on catmine can be 10 feet

1017
00:53:30.380 --> 00:53:33.340
tall when they stand up 1500 pounds. Like you don't

1018
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:33.980
need a bigger bear.

1019
00:53:34.739 --> 00:53:37.940
I can't, I cannot imagine. Let's say the owner of

1020
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:40.780
Skinwalker Ranch calls you up and is like, Hey, Mike Wanders,

1021
00:53:40.860 --> 00:53:43.500
big fan of the YouTube channel. What if you do

1022
00:53:43.579 --> 00:53:46.420
a solo for a week on my property? What would

1023
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:49.840
you do? That's a good question.

1024
00:53:51.809 --> 00:53:54.869
If they called me, that might be different. That might

1025
00:53:54.909 --> 00:53:59.210
be different. I don't know. So I was actually– I

1026
00:53:59.250 --> 00:54:02.949
started that process of trying to contact everybody on Skinwalker Ranch.

1027
00:54:03.190 --> 00:54:03.889
Oh, you did?

1028
00:54:04.250 --> 00:54:07.199
Yeah. I was going to go down there. And then

1029
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:09.900
I was like, hold on a second. Hold on. Hold on.

1030
00:54:09.940 --> 00:54:12.349
Like– you know, I, so speaking of the Browns and

1031
00:54:12.369 --> 00:54:14.570
Jonathan Brown, when I was doing six weeks out West,

1032
00:54:14.590 --> 00:54:15.829
I was on their property and I was like, yeah,

1033
00:54:15.849 --> 00:54:17.159
when I get back, I think I'm going to branch

1034
00:54:17.219 --> 00:54:19.199
more into like, I'm going to start including like some

1035
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:22.079
spooky paranormal stuff. I'm gonna start doing ghost stuff. And

1036
00:54:22.099 --> 00:54:23.519
he was like, dude, you're going to have something attach

1037
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:26.079
itself to you. And then I was like, done, forget it.

1038
00:54:26.380 --> 00:54:27.900
Like, I'm just not doing that.

1039
00:54:28.219 --> 00:54:32.960
So with skin Walker, no, I, I have no interest in, um,

1040
00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:36.849
really attaching myself to anything like that. You know, if

1041
00:54:36.909 --> 00:54:41.530
it's just Sasquatch, that's one thing. Um, But with all

1042
00:54:41.570 --> 00:54:44.650
that other stuff that seems to surround that area, I'm

1043
00:54:44.690 --> 00:54:47.280
not too interested in it. Yeah, absolutely.

1044
00:54:47.300 --> 00:54:47.579
But who knows?

1045
00:54:48.260 --> 00:54:48.480
Yeah.

1046
00:54:48.699 --> 00:54:50.480
I mean, you never know. He could be a big

1047
00:54:50.500 --> 00:54:52.139
fan of the show. And if you are, rock on.

1048
00:54:52.900 --> 00:54:54.739
Yeah, if they sell me. If they pitch it. If

1049
00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:55.780
they pitch it really well.

1050
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:58.800
Yeah, if they pitch it. I've already made that decision

1051
00:54:59.690 --> 00:55:02.429
years ago. I was like, if they ever reach out,

1052
00:55:02.610 --> 00:55:06.139
I would definitely say no. I just, I could not

1053
00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:07.280
do it. I could not do it.

1054
00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:09.360
Would you, would you, would you visit though and just

1055
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:10.079
not spend the night?

1056
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:12.579
I don't even think I would visit to be honest. Um,

1057
00:55:12.900 --> 00:55:15.900
just cause like the weird medical stuff. Like, so this

1058
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:17.960
is my first time with cancer. Like I had cancer

1059
00:55:17.980 --> 00:55:20.429
when I was a little kid too. And so I

1060
00:55:20.429 --> 00:55:22.630
don't know, just something about me is like, I, that's

1061
00:55:22.710 --> 00:55:25.230
like poking a bear big time, you know, because you

1062
00:55:25.269 --> 00:55:27.289
never know how you're a person's going to react on

1063
00:55:27.329 --> 00:55:31.079
that property. If you're going– well, I mean it's in

1064
00:55:31.099 --> 00:55:33.539
the books too, not just the show. If you read

1065
00:55:33.579 --> 00:55:36.719
the books that documented the history of that place, it's crazy.

1066
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:39.940
I don't– I just don't want to meddle. I don't

1067
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:43.340
want to meddle with that stuff. When I left Vancouver

1068
00:55:43.409 --> 00:55:45.989
Island the first time, that really spooky night I had,

1069
00:55:46.690 --> 00:55:50.530
my main takeaway was like, oh, we have no idea

1070
00:55:50.550 --> 00:55:53.300
what's going on. we have no idea what's going on

1071
00:55:53.340 --> 00:55:55.429
in our own world and in our own reality. Like

1072
00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:59.130
our five senses, our five senses are just barely scratching

1073
00:55:59.170 --> 00:56:03.849
the surface. Um, it's like, there is infinitely more going

1074
00:56:04.050 --> 00:56:06.510
on in our reality, in our universe than what we

1075
00:56:06.590 --> 00:56:10.210
are actually able to perceive. You know, it's like, imagine

1076
00:56:10.250 --> 00:56:12.949
explaining the complexities of the universe to a cockroach. Like

1077
00:56:12.969 --> 00:56:15.309
their mind can only understand so much. Our mind can

1078
00:56:15.349 --> 00:56:19.500
only understand so much and, and to leave that location.

1079
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:22.380
And I was just like, Whoa, We don't know. I

1080
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:25.679
picked up on it for a second. It's like my

1081
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:28.179
ancient sixth sense seems to kick in a little bit

1082
00:56:28.780 --> 00:56:32.039
and picked up on like, whoa, there's something else. I

1083
00:56:32.059 --> 00:56:34.119
don't know what it is. Yeah.

1084
00:56:34.739 --> 00:56:36.469
Yeah, absolutely.

1085
00:56:36.489 --> 00:56:39.349
That would definitely be the whole Skinwalker thing.

1086
00:56:40.489 --> 00:56:42.730
A place like that for me would definitely be when

1087
00:56:42.750 --> 00:56:45.670
I went to Tennessee in April, experienced a lot. I

1088
00:56:45.710 --> 00:56:47.550
would say, man, if you do make it down to

1089
00:56:47.590 --> 00:56:52.159
Tennessee for this series, do not underestimate it. the Smokies.

1090
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:54.679
And if you get out to the Cumberland plateau, just

1091
00:56:54.719 --> 00:56:58.219
in case, do not underestimate that area at all. It's

1092
00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:02.980
absolutely insanity. They were like, I was hearing voices in

1093
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:05.980
the woods. Uh, there's another place there was, uh, we

1094
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:08.739
were surrounded by orbs. Like it was, I was like,

1095
00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:10.619
what's happening right now, man.

1096
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:12.840
Well, the East coast almost freaks me out more. I like,

1097
00:57:12.889 --> 00:57:14.739
I wanted, I want to do it. There's something about

1098
00:57:14.780 --> 00:57:16.789
the East coast that for some reason scares me a

1099
00:57:16.809 --> 00:57:19.269
little bit more. I've been talking to Alex Petikoff about this,

1100
00:57:19.329 --> 00:57:21.730
where it's like, Oh yeah. there's something, are there something

1101
00:57:21.789 --> 00:57:25.030
about the East coast woods? Maybe it's like the, it's

1102
00:57:25.050 --> 00:57:30.030
just the, the, the denser history of bloodshed and wars, um,

1103
00:57:30.150 --> 00:57:32.010
that have just gone on on the East coast, just

1104
00:57:32.050 --> 00:57:34.349
because this is where, that's where it's been really developed

1105
00:57:34.389 --> 00:57:37.650
for such a long time. Um, that there's just been

1106
00:57:37.670 --> 00:57:42.170
so much bloodshed here for so long, um, that it

1107
00:57:42.230 --> 00:57:48.070
just adds a, such a spook factor to the woods. Um, yeah, but,

1108
00:57:48.570 --> 00:57:50.119
You saying that really makes me want to go to

1109
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:52.900
that location.

1110
00:57:53.500 --> 00:57:56.659
Are there any places on your bucket list that you

1111
00:57:56.719 --> 00:58:00.659
have not been able to go to yet for the series,

1112
00:58:00.739 --> 00:58:04.340
but you are kind of hoping that maybe someday it

1113
00:58:04.360 --> 00:58:04.840
would happen?

1114
00:58:05.469 --> 00:58:07.449
Oh yeah. So many places. Well, first of all, I'd

1115
00:58:07.469 --> 00:58:09.170
like to go back to so many of the locations

1116
00:58:09.210 --> 00:58:12.969
that I've already been to. Of course, because what I

1117
00:58:13.010 --> 00:58:16.219
do is like totally like, counterproductive in terms of having

1118
00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:18.239
a Sasquatch encounter. Like what you should really do is

1119
00:58:18.260 --> 00:58:20.570
like post up in one location for like, and just

1120
00:58:20.610 --> 00:58:22.389
keep going to that same location over and over and

1121
00:58:22.449 --> 00:58:23.110
over and over again.

1122
00:58:23.269 --> 00:58:23.489
Right.

1123
00:58:24.090 --> 00:58:26.449
Um, but I have way too much ADD and also

1124
00:58:26.489 --> 00:58:31.119
I like to show people the beautiful, different, beautiful landscapes. Um,

1125
00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:34.400
so that's kind of why I bounce around. Um, so

1126
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.980
in the name of seeing something new, like Yeah. I, I,

1127
00:58:38.099 --> 00:58:40.760
I have an interest in, in, in seeing, uh, you know,

1128
00:58:40.780 --> 00:58:43.260
the Boggy Creek area and doing down in the swamps

1129
00:58:43.300 --> 00:58:46.340
of like Florida, maybe, and, and, and, and Texas and

1130
00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:49.059
the Smokies. Uh, I'd like to go to the Nahanni

1131
00:58:49.659 --> 00:58:50.739
up in Yukon.

1132
00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:53.280
I was gonna, I was gonna say you should do

1133
00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:55.519
that to the Headless Valley, right?

1134
00:58:55.800 --> 00:59:00.130
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, you know, certain places, it almost

1135
00:59:00.170 --> 00:59:04.590
feels like I want, like, like, uh, Are you going

1136
00:59:04.820 --> 00:59:08.309
because it's what everybody knows about on social media or

1137
00:59:08.329 --> 00:59:10.289
are you going because you legit think this is your

1138
00:59:10.309 --> 00:59:13.469
best shot at having like some type of encounter i

1139
00:59:13.809 --> 00:59:16.269
love that um you know and like portlock is like

1140
00:59:16.289 --> 00:59:19.360
one of those places like that just seems like okay

1141
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:23.480
that's gonna get a gazillion views and because everybody's obsessed

1142
00:59:23.500 --> 00:59:25.860
with it and these stories have run wild on the

1143
00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:30.409
internet but is there really a sasquatch there maybe But

1144
00:59:30.449 --> 00:59:34.170
there's also other locations where you could go and have

1145
00:59:34.190 --> 00:59:34.789
an encounter.

1146
00:59:35.670 --> 00:59:35.869
Oh, 100%.

1147
00:59:35.869 --> 00:59:38.429
The thing about Alaska, the thing about the Yukon and

1148
00:59:38.449 --> 00:59:41.820
the Nahanni is it's so vast. It's so big and

1149
00:59:41.900 --> 00:59:46.139
wild that not only is it a logistical nightmare to

1150
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:52.090
get in there and financially apocalyptic, but it's just, man,

1151
00:59:52.179 --> 00:59:55.190
I don't know. It's just so big and expansive that

1152
00:59:55.530 --> 00:59:58.329
the chances of something happening, I don't know. I could

1153
00:59:58.349 --> 00:59:59.929
be wrong. Maybe I'd end up losing my head.

1154
01:00:01.150 --> 01:00:04.380
I think that– hopefully not. I think that that area

1155
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:08.860
is the best chance on earth for you to see

1156
01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:12.460
a living dinosaur or a woolly mammoth just because– Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1157
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:16.460
If you look into it, it's like this crazy forgotten

1158
01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:20.010
valley that time forgot and it's just like so many–

1159
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:24.110
and people lost their heads too. There's that. But it's wild.

1160
01:00:24.650 --> 01:00:27.869
The stories are– are wild uh so.

1161
01:00:27.849 --> 01:00:31.449
Yeah the last woolly mammoth hiding up in the nahanni

1162
01:00:31.489 --> 01:00:34.110
area yeah even where i was in denali like there

1163
01:00:34.170 --> 01:00:36.489
you know people talking about how like the first people

1164
01:00:36.530 --> 01:00:38.869
to develop these areas 10 000 years ago would hunt

1165
01:00:38.929 --> 01:00:41.369
up on these ridges here and look down where i

1166
01:00:41.429 --> 01:00:44.050
was and like the teclanico river valley and hunt woolly

1167
01:00:44.070 --> 01:00:47.860
mammoths and giant bison um and they still find you

1168
01:00:47.900 --> 01:00:50.820
know tusks and all kinds of things kind of melting

1169
01:00:50.860 --> 01:00:55.070
out of not only permafrost but also just glacier it runoff.

1170
01:00:55.130 --> 01:00:58.530
And I was in Katmai and I'm so tall that

1171
01:00:58.650 --> 01:01:01.849
I almost like totally took some, something off the wall.

1172
01:01:01.909 --> 01:01:03.590
Like I almost bumped into it and then I backed

1173
01:01:03.710 --> 01:01:06.409
off and saw it was a woolly mammoth tusk. And

1174
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:09.019
I was like, wait, is that like real? And they're like, yeah,

1175
01:01:09.139 --> 01:01:11.599
that's a real 10,000 year old woolly mammoth tusk. And

1176
01:01:11.619 --> 01:01:13.889
I was like, can you put it higher up?

1177
01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:18.300
Oh my goodness. Alaska is so wild. This story, I

1178
01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:21.849
saw a story recently where have you There's a story

1179
01:01:21.889 --> 01:01:27.880
floating around where supposedly all these hunters are seeing Siberian

1180
01:01:27.929 --> 01:01:32.820
tiger tracks and seeing tigers on the western side of Alaska. Yeah, absolutely.

1181
01:01:32.900 --> 01:01:33.599
Oh, no.

1182
01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:36.860
So like they just swam across the area where it's

1183
01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:38.260
like really close, you know?

1184
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:40.179
That would not be good news.

1185
01:01:40.659 --> 01:01:41.400
Yeah, that would be terrible news.

1186
01:01:41.420 --> 01:01:45.239
Well, I kind of consider tigers my favorite animal, but man. Okay.

1187
01:01:45.530 --> 01:01:50.809
They don't also need tigers there. No. Wow, really? Where?

1188
01:01:50.829 --> 01:01:53.889
Like right by where the land bridge kind of used

1189
01:01:53.929 --> 01:01:54.250
to be?

1190
01:01:54.909 --> 01:01:59.099
I think so. I don't know the ultra specifics. I

1191
01:01:59.139 --> 01:02:01.639
have to look it up. But let's see.

1192
01:02:02.260 --> 01:02:03.739
Dude, that's a video in and of itself.

1193
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:04.619
It really is.

1194
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:06.599
Tigers. Look over tigers in Alaska.

1195
01:02:07.099 --> 01:02:08.219
That would do really well, man.

1196
01:02:09.219 --> 01:02:09.449
Yeah.

1197
01:02:09.510 --> 01:02:10.010
That would be good.

1198
01:02:10.269 --> 01:02:11.269
Get killed by a tiger.

1199
01:02:12.329 --> 01:02:14.750
Yeah, that's true. Uh, you'd be like the guy who got,

1200
01:02:14.929 --> 01:02:17.429
who's the guy who got taken out by the bears, um,

1201
01:02:17.489 --> 01:02:18.170
who filmed it?

1202
01:02:18.570 --> 01:02:19.710
Timothy Treadwell.

1203
01:02:19.889 --> 01:02:20.750
Timothy Treadwell.

1204
01:02:20.789 --> 01:02:22.789
Yeah. That's it. Couldn't stop thinking about that, man. I

1205
01:02:22.829 --> 01:02:24.929
could not stop thinking about that when I was, when

1206
01:02:24.969 --> 01:02:27.010
I was backpacking in Denali. Yeah. Yeah.

1207
01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:33.260
Wild, wild stuff. Uh, man, what, what a fun conversation.

1208
01:02:33.340 --> 01:02:36.639
Just talking, talking about all the areas you've been to

1209
01:02:36.940 --> 01:02:40.059
and what's coming up. And I mean, uh, listeners make

1210
01:02:40.099 --> 01:02:44.300
sure that you are, totally subscribe to the Mike wanders channel, uh,

1211
01:02:44.449 --> 01:02:47.800
double check. Sometimes people get unsubscribed somehow. I don't know how,

1212
01:02:47.940 --> 01:02:51.380
but they do. And it happens. I'm not going to

1213
01:02:51.500 --> 01:02:55.579
point fingers YouTube, but, uh, but there's some cool stuff coming.

1214
01:02:55.639 --> 01:03:00.469
There's a Prince of Wales and, uh, there's, uh, I'm,

1215
01:03:00.610 --> 01:03:02.949
I'm excited to see it come out, but Mike, is

1216
01:03:02.969 --> 01:03:05.469
there any other things you would want listeners to be

1217
01:03:05.530 --> 01:03:08.739
aware of, um, to follow you or, uh, Ways to

1218
01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:11.539
reach out if they're like, hey, I want to share

1219
01:03:11.579 --> 01:03:13.219
with Mike specifically about something.

1220
01:03:15.679 --> 01:03:18.659
I don't know, man. Just my biggest message to everybody.

1221
01:03:18.679 --> 01:03:20.659
I don't care if you follow my channel. Just get

1222
01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:23.260
out into nature, man. Go out, go out, connect and

1223
01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:27.079
enjoy the beautiful places of North America. And Sasquatch is incredible,

1224
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:30.679
but it's also just a part of this bigger, beautiful

1225
01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:33.539
picture that we have going on on planet Earth. So, man,

1226
01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:36.139
get out and enjoy our beautiful places. Absolutely.

1227
01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:40.300
Absolutely. And subscribe to Mike's channel because I said it was.

1228
01:03:40.219 --> 01:03:43.559
A good idea. Do it, guys. Yeah, that's it.

1229
01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:46.510
All right. Thanks for coming on, Mike. I appreciate it.

1230
01:03:46.539 --> 01:03:48.079
Dude, my pleasure. Thanks for having me, man.

1231
01:03:50.199 --> 01:03:52.159
Thank you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot

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01:03:52.179 --> 01:03:55.269
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1233
01:03:55.309 --> 01:03:58.429
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01:03:58.449 --> 01:04:00.889
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01:04:24.769 --> 01:04:27.710
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1244
01:04:27.750 --> 01:04:32.059
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01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:34.900
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01:04:57.670 --> 01:05:00.030
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