He Spent One Night Alone Here. He Won't Go Back.

0:00 I wouldn't go back to that exact spot just because, full disclosure, I like made a deal with the forest that night. Mike Wanders has spent years going alone into some of the most legendary Bigfoot locations in North America. But on Vancouver Island, he spent one night in a remote cove that scared him enough to make a promise to whatever might have been in those woods. And he says he still won't go back. Today, Mike tells me what happened there along with the one encounter he still can't explain. I'm Jeremiah Byron, and this is Bigfoot Society. You have all these different Bigfoot locations you've been to, but I got to ask you, what is the most freaked out you've been? Because you are going to so many places that I look at these place names, and I'm just going to go down them real quick. Bluff Creek, Mount St. Helens, Blue Mountain, Nordegg, Alberta, Mount Hood, Harrison Hot Springs, BC, Olympics, Ho Rainforest, Gifford Pinchot, vancouver island i mean there's some freaky freaky place and you're out there by yourself for the most part right.

1:03 Yeah yeah yeah um so what's like the the most afraid i've been sasquatch well the most afraid uh i've always said to people you know like if if sasquatch is just behaving like you would expect a sasquatch to behave whoops knocks kind of ape like it's like okay that's scary but it's like that's kind of what i expect it's like the spookier stuff that really really scares me Um, like I, I'm like afraid of ghosts. I'm afraid of like, you know, the paranormal stuff. I, um, so I, I think like whenever I go out there, like, yes, I'm afraid of Sasquatch, but like, I'm mostly kind of afraid of people if I'm in like a relatively accessible place or I'm afraid of like, are there ghosts? Um, but I mean, I, I was pretty spooked on, uh, my first time on Vancouver Island and I don't think, I don't even know if that was like Sasquatch related.

1:57 I went out there for Sasquatch and it just ended up being like really, um, a really terrifying night. I always said it was like the most terrifying night I've had. That's probably the most terrifying experience I've had in the woods. Um, for like weird, spooky reasons, paranormal, whatever it is. I throw, I throw Sasquatch into that same arena. Um, but I've, I've experienced like, you know, extreme levels of fear. because of like grizzly bears and stuff like that, backpacking and, uh, storms and, you know, fearing that like, something's going to go horribly wrong. Um, but I would say, you know, in my life, like I always say Klayakwat sound the first time I was there and I had a boat drop me off. And I, uh, that night was just petrifying and it, and then like, it's on paper, you know, the idea of being dropped off in a remote location where you're going to spend the night alone, like that's, that should be on, that should be an awesome experience.

2:52 for the most part, like that's, that's, that's great camping in a remote place. And it's just you and nature. Um, it can be absolutely beautiful. Now there is sometimes like a tendency for you to freak yourself out, especially if you're hearing all these stories from people going into it, like don't go to that location or first nations, indigenous cultures being like, well, you can go there, but that's where the Zuna qual lives. And she stills children, uh, you know, just all these different things that can kind of put you on edge. Um, so I very much allow for the possibility that you can get lost in your own head when you go to these locations and easily freak yourself out. But when I went to that spot, it was more than that. Um, it was more than that. I like, I, I, I do this stuff all the time.

3:34 I go out alone all the time and usually it's incredible. Um, but man, when we pulled into that Cove, uh, and the water taxi guy dropped me off, he had never been there. He was really excited to just check out this new location and, man, we all felt it. Like my wife was on the boat with me. And, uh, cause just because I paid for this water taxi, she wasn't going to spend the night, but she just, I was like, Hey, just come for this beautiful, uh, boat ride through Klaquat Sound and then just go back with the, the, the boat. So she did that. And, but yeah, when we all pulled in to the cove and just kind of shut off the engine and just kind of cruised in and man, the loons are going and it just like the, the energy just changed. There was this thickness of, in the air that, you know, I just overlooked for a while. Cause I was like, all right, you know, this is just, I'm, I'm freaked out. I've heard a bunch of scary stories, but like we all felt it, it was intense. And the longer the night went on, they dropped me off. And, uh, I remember, um, there was like this little rundown cabin that was there, um, that was originally built for good reasons to like protect the old growth in that area. Um, but that was like, I don't know, decades ago. but by the time I saw it for the first time, it was just run down.

4:46 Everything is just like, there's a big old growth tree that had like fallen onto the cabin itself. And like the, there's no door on the, on the cabin. It's just wide open. And there's like knife slashes through some of like the plastic that's like covering up the windows. And, and I remember my wife was like, Mike, you gotta, you gotta check the inside of that cabin before we leave. Um, Because like, if there's something that you see in there, you know, that you don't want to see, like there's still a boat and you can get out of here. So I was like, oh, fine. I'll go check that cabin. I just remember like, yeah, yeah. So I remember like, you know, going in there and just, it was, it was the, the forest itself and the area itself was already just thick with dread is the easiest way to explain it. Um, and when I entered the cabin, it was even more so, it just felt terrible in there. Um, And I remember like climbing up this really rickety ladder that could have like broke at any time. And I like peeked my head up above the loft to just like make sure there was nothing there.

5:43 And it just was like dark and spooky and cold feeling. And it just felt awful. And I remember thinking like, okay, I'm going to avoid this cabin at all costs. I'm not going to go near it. I don't care if it's torrential downpour. I'll deal with the elements. And I've experienced, you know, those moments of like kind of intensity and thick thickness in the air and feeling like there's something there. And then it kind of drifts, it goes away. And like this night, it never went away. It never went away. It only just kept getting worse and worse and worse and thicker and thicker and thicker. And as the night got dark, yeah, the feeling just became intense. And I was in, I was smack dab in some really, really thick old growth rainforest. Um, and these are like humongous, um, just big old growth trees and just thick, thick vegetation.

6:37 So you really can't see too far. I had a fire going and, um, yeah, as it got darker, it just got, it just, it, I was like, I was, I just knew that there was something there. I don't know what it was, but I just knew that there was something there. It got dark. And then, you know, controversially I say controversial because I don't know, people can be crap about it. Um, and I would give me crap about it too, if I wasn't there, but, but something like there was a big wind disturbance that like went low over the tops of the trees and continued, um, past me and out to sea in a very like straight mechanical like trajectory. Um, And, and then nothing. And then it was silence. It's like, to me, it almost sounded like what you would expect a humongous drone to sound like if the drone wasn't making any noise whatsoever. Um, and, uh, I, you know, when things happen like that to me, when I'm alone, I, I am so quick that defense mechanism goes, goes off. And I, I am so quick to try and, um, disprove something and just say, oh, that was this I'm okay.

7:48 You always want to like convince yourself that you're okay in the moment. And I would have done anything to convince myself that that was a bird, that that was an owl, that that was a great blue heron. And all the things that people tell me they hear, I've heard a hundred great blue herons, which is the biggest wingspan out there. I've heard all that stuff. There was no wing flap. There was no swooping from tree to tree. Like it was going for a while. It came from sadly the direction of the cabin over my head and then past me and then out to sea. And then and then it was just nothing. And I remember just sitting in that darkness for like the next 10 hours, um, as the feeling that there was something with me, like it just became more and more intense. And, you know, I didn't have, um, like a canoe. I didn't, I didn't have anything that even if something did go down, I still had the fear that there was maybe a recluse like hiding out here who maybe like lives in that cabin. I was really afraid that like, maybe there was someone, you know, if they want to try and get away from society, um, I remember I saw like a broken zip tie on the ground, which I wasn't a fan of. But I mean, of course, you know, that could just, you know, if someone's camping out there, but they could have used it for that reason. There's so many reasons to see a zip tie, but just there, it was just, you know, I was, by this point I had lost control of my mental toughness, I think I was spiraling. And I was really concerned about like a UFO. I really like in my mind, I was like, okay, like sadly that that was not a bird. That was not a bird. Um, that thing was huge. If it

9:20 was bird, like it was pterodactyl and it never, it never flapped its wings. And I was like, literally concerned that, uh, I was like, Oh no, the UFO Bigfoot people are right. You know, like they were, they were right. Um, but yeah, that was a scary night for me. I was, uh, I was, I, I, I thought at any moment I was going to just see something like looking at me from behind my goodness behind a tree or something and i i was totally in my head and i was too afraid to go in the tent i remember it was like that blair witch line best line of Blair Witch Project by the way where she's like she says something along the lines of uh she's like I'm too afraid to open my eyes and I'm too afraid to close them uh like I was I was too afraid to go in the tent because because I I wanted to see if anything approached um because I felt like there was something there but then at the same time I did not want to see if anything approached uh you know because I was just so yeah I was so afraid. Anyway, that night.

10:23 That's that night. Okay, so I've done a few of these. And so I've gotten to the point where if Spidey Sense starts going wild when it comes to talking. So are you opposed if I was to do a little prayer real quick? Is that okay? Go for it. All right, cool. Let's do it. All right, dear God, thank you for this conversation we are having and about to have. And please keep us safe. Keep all listeners safe. Bind any demonic activity, bind the devil and through the name of Jesus and your name. Amen. Thank you. Amen. Have you ever experienced being out in an area and let's say, have you ever experienced the lights out in the woods at all? Lights.

11:15 Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Like just balls of light. Yeah. Really? Well, actually, when I was really young, before I was doing any of the YouTube stuff on the Hockamock Swamp, I was on that ATV trail I was talking about, and I just saw balls of light crossing the trail in front of me, which was crazy because I remember Googling back then the Hockamock Swamp and all that stuff, and one of the main reports were balls of light orbs specifically right there behind the um greyhound dog track there was there was like old dog track there and that's exactly where i was i was exactly behind the dog track heading into the swamp and there there were balls of light going back and forth and i i didn't think much of it um i almost to a to a fault um uh either just just um i don't know kind of papoose certain things and and and try to immediately find an explanation. Sometimes it's good. I think sometimes it's almost bad because I kind of overdo it sometimes. But yeah, I definitely saw those balls of light.

12:27 Something may or may not have just recently happened on Mount Shasta. Um, I can't wait for that to come out. Oh my goodness. Yeah. We got to wait and see. Yeah. We got to wait and see you guys subscribe. So you don't miss it when it, when it comes out. Yeah. So you can yell at me when, when, when, when you're like, Oh, you didn't get that. Oh man. Yikes. Uh, I, I know about a few things that are coming out cause you had reached out and you've got some really, uh, potentially awesome ones coming out. I can't wait to see. Yeah. A whole lot going on, dude. And I really appreciate you, uh, reaching out to people, man. And, and just the fact that like, you're one of like four probably total people who somehow has like a connect on Prince of Wales Island. Like I now understand, I now understand like why, why that is such a hard thing, like a hard connect to come across. Like, Holy crap.

13:20 It's like, it's like going to Vancouver Island. If you were to just remove all the people, um, And Vancouver, Vancouver Island doesn't have that many people, but like there's, there's like actual kind of like mini cities, um, that do not exist on Prince of Wales Island. Um, man, you just, you, you land, you land in like Clowak and it's just a shed, you know, it's like they call it a terminal. You just get off the plane, you have the plane, you just like go. Somebody was like, are you Mike? And I'm like, uh, yeah. And I was like, okay, here's your car. And it was like just some rundown car. It's not like anything. like any place I've ever been. And man, those, yeah, they're just tiny little towns. Cloac is tiny. Craig, the nearby town is, is, is like a couple, couple of shops and that's it.

14:06 Craig's a good one too. Uh, Thorn Bay is a good one. Thorn Bay. So, so Thorn Bay, I was, uh, cause I mean, as you know, I was kind of winging a lot of my Prince of Wales Island plan. And the last second I kind of pulled together some connects and, um, Uh, Fred roll was really helpful with that. Oh, very good. Yeah. And, uh, so one of my like plans that I had just kind of said like, all right, I'm going to do this without talking to anybody. I was, I was going to go over to Thorn Bay and I was able to meet up with the Tlingit, um, and, um, in Kluwak and, you know, which was just awesome. Cause you know, they just rightfully so they can, you know, keep information to themselves, which, which I kind of feel like they probably should do. Um, but they were willing to talk to me and share a lot of stories, um, And I remember saying like, Oh, I might go to Thorn Bay and just hit up some forestry roads and see what happens. And they were like, well, you know, we've kind of heard that's where the witches are. And I was like, Oh, all right. Not going there. Wow.

15:07 Bailed on that plan. Okay. Interesting. So, so there you go. Listeners, uh, there's Prince of Wales Island is coming on, on like Wander's channel. It's in the, out in the open, but that's going to be a great one, dude. That's, that is such a, it looks like a beautiful area. Um, is, Has there been a time, Mike, when you have been on one of these adventures and you've experienced something that you were like, oh, that is 100% I'm experiencing Bigfoot activity right now, or you're 99%? Only once. Okay. Only once. I feel like, you know, in meeting a lot of the Sasquatch enthusiasts throughout the years, I feel like there's a lot of times if I had somebody else with me, they might be like Sasquatch. Um, but for me, man, if there's anything else that that can be, I lean towards the anything else. Like if there's anything else that that can be, and I've heard strange noises in Nordegg, um, and you know, trees coming down in, um, Harrison Lake, uh, that I wasn't able to record or like a couple other times, just stuff like that, that I think like some Sasquatch diehards would be like Sasquatch.

16:17 That was Sasquatch. Mike, you're an idiot. But for me, the one time where it's now been however much time it's been since I uploaded the video and since I experienced this for myself, nobody has had an explanation as to what this was, including myself. I still don't have an explanation. That was the second time I went out to Vancouver Island in Clayquot Sound with Eric DeCero. up on a, the video is called the Vancouver Island Sasquatch. And, and at the end of that, yeah, we heard like a, um, a clear as day would knock. Um, but it was because of the location that we were in that it, it completely, like we had everything crossed off, like because of where we were, you rule out people. We were flown into the most remote location on, on Vancouver Island.

17:13 if anybody else was anywhere nearby, there would have had to have been a boat anchored. Um, and there was nobody nearby. There were fishermen when we landed. Um, but we watched them that we watched their boat leave the area, like take off. Um, there was nobody up on these mountains and the wind had completely died off by that point. It was absolutely no wind. And, and, uh, and, and, um, just by chance, which is like, so unlike everything that's ever happened to me, I actually happened to film the moment I film, I I'm filming myself talking because, um, I start recording myself talking because some, we heard some tree limbs being snapped right in front of us. Uh, we were kind of in like a bowl, uh, like these big kind of steep mountains on either side of like an amphitheater. And we were in this open grassy, I'm kind of almost kind of like a title zone.

18:11 It was kind of sketchy. Um, but we were also like cut off by these slopes by like these salmon rivers. And, um, yeah, so, I mean, Eric had his audio going and on his audio, you'll hear the original tree limbs being snapped. And if that was all we heard, uh, we, we would have been like, wow, that might've been Sasquatch, but you know, who knows? but it was the series of events that led to it just being completely unexplainable. So like the original thing was like a couple of big tree limbs, just crack, crack, crack. And so I grabbed my, and he got that on his recorder. So I grabbed my camera and I started talking to the camera and I'm saying, we're hearing sounds right across the water here, right across the river. And then right after I say that, just a explosive whack. Um, and so, And that's not a bear.

19:11 We literally, in the moment, went through the list of what this could be. And those original snaps, tree limb snaps, could have been a bear. It could have been, I don't know, a tree limb snaps off and slowly makes its way down the tree somehow and is breaking things as it goes. They sounded almost too thick to be an elk. But there was some explanation to that. But then for there to be like a 30-second pause of nothingness and then an explosive BAM! Um, like that's not, that's not an animal that 100% is not an animal. Um, I've heard all those animals and all the noises they make as they move through brush and trees. or whatever. Um, it's not, I was like, I went into that mode of trying to be like, okay, what is this? What is this? I mean, I can't be a Sasquatch even though I believe in Sasquatch and that's why we're here.

20:01 But also like at the end of the day, I'm like, well, come on, what was that? Uh, and I'm like, was it a rock slide? I'm asking Eric and he's like, dude, I will play you all the rock slides and mud slides that I have recorded over the years. It's a trickling. You hear like all this different stuff trickling. You don't just hear a single explosive whack and then silence. Right. Um, so yeah, that for me, like even, even if a tree falls down, which I've heard now several times, um, without wind, they're, there's a chance that you're hearing it just at the end of its rot. And it just so happens to fall. Maybe, maybe there's another tree leaning against it. Maybe an animal just climbed up it. I don't know. There's a chance, however, slim, uh, that it's, that there's an explanation to that. Or even if you hear a scream, well, I mean, we heard screams that freaked us out. It turns out it was a sea lion, like those, those big fjords, those big fjords. And like, they can muffle sound. and twist it in a certain way that can kind of play tricks on your mind.

21:06 But so like, to me, it was one of the most compelling things that could happen because I don't have any explanation for an explosive singular loud whack in the woods. To me, it sounded like somebody asked me a question on, in the comments. She was like, Mike, if you weren't going out there for like Sasquatch or you knew nothing about Sasquatch, like what would you think that was? And I remember telling people like at the time when I got home, I was like, it literally sounded to me like there was a gorilla up on the slope, snapping, breaking large limbs. It literally sounded like this thing took muscle to break several limbs off. And then there to be that silence and then, and then that whack. And it was, it was right in front of us. So if it was, if it was by chance, we were in the biggest, like these big walls of, of thickly covered forest. Like why wouldn't it be anywhere? If it's random, whatever, whatever, would have caused it. Um, why wouldn't it be literally anywhere else? Um, why right in front of us, right in front of us.

22:13 It's man, it's that kind of thing that makes you wonder. Um, I have, I've only done, uh, kind of laughing at myself, but I got a little freaked out. Uh, I did solo, I've done solo multiple times in the remote woods of Iowa, which, you know, they're, It's not like PNW, but for Iowa, it's a lot of woods. I've had some random thing walk around my tent at 3 in the morning. That was weird. Because, hey, if it's not a Bigfoot, it's a random person at 3 a.m. in the morning. Two legs? Oh, yeah, two legs. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, so at that point, you're hoping it's a Bigfoot. Yeah, you're hoping, right. And you're like, please, please don't let my blood pressure go through my my uh top of my head my goodness um it's just it's just wild wild stuff is there a place that you would not uh that you would not do a solo in yeah related.

23:12 Well i wouldn't go back to that exact spot the first location on clayoquot sound with a rundown cabin and all that and yeah or something flew over the trees just because full disclosure i like made a deal with the forest that night i was so afraid i was like right i'm pulling on all the stops and like and like I know how afraid I am if I say a prayer. It's only been a few times when I'm out in the woods alone where like I said a prayer. That was one of those nights. But on top of that, I also like I talked to the forest. I was getting so spooked. And I said something like, listen, I'm just here for tonight. I'm just here for tonight.

23:53 I'm leaving tomorrow morning. So I kind of feel like I wouldn't go back there. Because I would be lying. I'd be like, psych, coming back. I'm not going to come back there with a team of researchers and be like, you let me go. You shouldn't have. Now we're going to blow this spot up. I want to go back there. I want to go back there. I don't know if there's a spot that I wouldn't go Sasquatch related. There's definitely a million spots I wouldn't go Ghost related because I'm really scared of that stuff. Yeah, yeah. Don't really play those games either. Exactly. Can get wacky. Have you ever heard voices when you're out there?

24:35 I thought I have. I thought I have. It's really, really easy, especially when you're alone, for your mind to play tricks on you. Oh, sure. And, man, when you're on edge, it's like your brain smells blood, and it's like, all right, we're really going to mess with them. And I think it's really– you start to get really spooked. And I think there's been times where I've heard subtle– where you feel like you're hearing like, like a, like a, like a, like a human voice talking. I think maybe like in the blue mountains, I like briefly thought I heard that. Um, but can I bank on stuff like that? No, no, because I'm, I'm super cautious when it comes to, uh, declaring something the work of Sasquatch. I mean, I mean, I just, I just, I figured there's so much going on in the woods. There's so many natural sounds. There's so many wild animals, each one of them with a wide array of sounds that they can make. Um, that chances are, if something weird is happening, if there's a disturbance in the brush, if you're, even if you're hearing what you think might be talking, it could just be like, it literally could be, uh, like, like an, like several different bird species or an owl or just the trees creaking.

25:46 And they, they, they like they're slowly moving in the winds. And you're sitting there and you're dead quiet and you're getting freaked out. But there's been times where maybe I thought I might have heard distant talking or something. Gotcha. Would you ever– I was looking through your videos and I was like, man. So definitely, as you said before, got to hit the PNW, the West Coast, all that good stuff. Have you ever thought of– I mean there are a few– pretty cool things in, in this, you know, the middle of the, of the States. I'm thinking specifically of, have you ever thought of like doing Southeast Oklahoma or, or Texas or.

26:29 Anything like that? I'd love to. I think, um, I, yeah, I may start opening myself up to like winter excursions. So like places that I can hit up in the winter. Um, so, you know, the, for me, that would be like, you know, heading down South and yeah, there's a lot like the, the, the, the, the Smokies in general. Um, You know, that whole area, Texas, Oklahoma. It's not the Smokies in Texas, but, you know, the swamps. I'm kind of scared of the swamps, but like, you know, Florida, Louisiana. I used to go down to we used to go down to Florida every year as a family. And like I said, I would like kind of sneak off and do Bigfoot stuff. And Myaka, the Myaka skunk ape, if anyone Googles the Myaka skunk ape, like that was right there.

27:17 We used to go to Myaka every year because we used to go there and look for alligators and wildlife. And then I used to, you know, convince my mom at the time to like go pig footing with me. And I would– so, I mean, I would love to go down there and actually film it and make videos of the things that I like used to do. Oklahoma is– there are certain areas– Cause I'm also like, I'm also, I also think like there's certain places where an encounter is easier to have because the terrain is just easier. Like whether it's an open forest or whether they're just located at a bit of a pinch point because of urban development that like the chances of you maybe seeing something is higher versus like Vancouver Island, Pacific Northwest. Like I would assume their numbers are way higher than, but the vegetation and the terrain is just so impossible in places that like they can be 10 feet in front of you and you wouldn't see one. So, um, you know, there's, there's other locations that I'd like to travel to, like you said, like Texas or Oklahoma or something where like, I feel like it might just be easier to see one.

28:22 Oh, sure. Dude, I would love to see you. And, and we'll, we'll say, we'll, we'll talk about it here and maybe the right person hearing it can start meddling. Um, Yeah. Man. Can you imagine like a solo expedition in like area X in Southeast Oak, which is like the epicenter of all the crazy Bigfoot stuff. Yeah. Sign me up. It's during the day. It's every time I hear about a cool idea during the day, I'm like, let's do it. And then I get there, I get there and I'm like, and it's nighttime. I'm like, Ooh, maybe you shouldn't have done this. Yeah. I've heard about that location down there. I'd like to do, I've always wanted to do an alone, uh, on Boggy Creek. I, um, yeah, dude, I, I, you know, everybody wanted me to do that location in Port Chatham, Alaska. And I tried, I really, really tried. And, uh, and I was denied. They wouldn't let me do it.

29:16 Uh, really? Oh, you had to get like filming permits or. You gotta get, you gotta get permission from the, uh, yeah, the native Bay corporation that oversees the land. And they, they recently hired like a legal team, um, just to advise them because so many people were trying to go in there and just for liability reasons somebody goes in there and gets injured uh, they'd be totally screwed. So for that reason, like, yeah, I talked to like the chairman, I had made it pretty far and I almost was like approved until I just needed his approval. He was like, Nope. And, uh, I was like, huh? Well, well maybe, maybe that happened. And man, that's so, that's so frustrating. I get why they're doing it. I totally get it guys. Um, but man, give Mike a chance.

29:59 Just give, give Mike a chance guys. I know you'd be respectful for sure. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get what they're saying. Yeah. Yeah. You have had, I like, you've had a few episodes where you kind of, you team up with some, some other well-known people in, in the Bigfoot community. Are there any of those episodes that have been, really fun for you to experience or, or to film. Oh dude, it's like so much better. I like, I'm done with the alone stuff just because it's like, not even because like it's scary, but because it's just, you start to lose your mind. Like you start to lose your mind and it's, uh, and, and it's like being alone in like a terrifying, haunted, cursed location for a night.

30:51 It's like being alone for a week anywhere else. Like it's just, it's, it's so much more, uh, taxing. emotionally. Um, and so when I do like these long trips, like I did six weeks out West and there were some, there's just periods of time where I'm alone in these really wild locations or what I just did, um, which was over seven weeks straight. Um, and it's just like, yeah, you're, you're doing one alone after another, after another, after another, I now prefer for there to be somebody else there for my own sake, for my own experience, because like, it's just, uh, cause I do so much of the solo backpacking as well. So it's, it's just, it's nice to just sit around a campfire and frigging talk to someone. Like, I don't want a big group. I, I hate groups. Um, it's, it's fun. If you don't want to look for SAS, Hey, if you just want to go out and drink with your buddies, have a good time, tell stories. Great. But like, I was just in the woods for, um, my brother's birthday and in Maine. And, you know, this four of us sitting around a campfire and I heard like a loon for a second and just everybody's talking through it.

31:57 because everybody's telling stories. And I, and I just immediately thought like, man, that's yeah. Like how, how often would that happen with like an actual Sasquatch situation where people are just talking through it because they're not, they're not out there for that. They're not out there listening for it. Um, whereas like when I'm alone, that's why that's part of the reason why I do it alone is because I just, it, it heightens your senses. Um, and you're just so in tune with your surroundings and the subtleties of the forest and the noises. that you can really pick up on things, but, um, you can also lose your mind a little bit. So, so, so yeah, to answer your question in the longest way possible. Yeah. I, um, I've now, I now really see the value of, of just having like one other person, maybe two that I really, really trust. They're not going to go, Oh, that was big foot. And I was like, no, that was a woodpecker. Yeah.

32:50 You know, but like someone like Shane Corson or Eric on Vancouver Island. One place you've been, you've been to multiple places I haven't been able to go to yet because I just get stuck in Oregon because I love it so much. Wait, do you live in Oregon? No, I live in Iowa, dude. Wait, so how do you get stuck in Oregon? Well, because it's a whole deal. Like there's so many, my first place I went to in the PNW was Oregon and And I was like, oh, there's this place and this place to go to. And like, I'll never hit a mall for the rest of my life. And like, I'll never get to Washington. I got to get to Washington. But it's just like, there's too many things. No, I've never been. Never been, dude. I know, man. Here's why. So, and that kind of leads me into, so I've never been to Washington. And I've never been to the Gifford Pinchot.

33:40 It's come up so much on this podcast. Does it live up? to the hype in your opinion? Cause I know you went to, to it with a Shane Corson. Yeah. I mean, I mean, it depends on like what you're going there for. Like if you're going there strictly for a Sasquatch encounter, you know, my answer might change. Maybe like I, I go into things with a mindset of like the chances of something Sasquatch related happening are very, very slim right now. So let's go to a beautiful place where it's just going to be frigging awesome to just be there. And, and, and, you know, if you're in the whole rainforest, if you don't have a Sasquatch encounter happen, Hey, you're still in the whole rainforest. And that's like the most magical experience ever. Um, but, and, and, but, but let's face it, the Gifford Pinchot is squatchy. And, uh, like, does that live up to the, to the, to the height? Like, yeah, I'd say so. Like seeing Mount St. Helens, um, Mount St.

34:38 Helens was just, man, it was cool. And the woods just had this darkness, like mystery to them. And there's just certain places like that where you go and you're like, you're like, man, you can just feel it. Like you can feel that there's this species out there just beyond reach, just beyond eyesight, like just beyond what we can comprehend that's there watching you. You can just like feel it. Um, and, and, and, and places like Mount St. Helens are, are there really like that, man, you can just picture something in those dark woods looking at you, not to mention like from an ecosystem standpoint, it all fully makes sense. That's something. Oh, sure. Yeah. Uh, if my wife ever listens to this, um, which probably not, but that's okay. Um, she will be mad because I have to take back what I said a minute ago. We have been to Washington. It was pretty Bigfoot.

35:32 We actually– I took her out on a surprise honeymoon out to Forks for Twilight. Dude, that's a big deal. You cannot forget that that happened. It's your honeymoon. Now you got to make sure she doesn't watch this. I'm going to have to edit this a little bit. I get out alive. But, yeah, I didn't– I wasn't into the Bigfoot stuff back then. So it was a total lost opportunity because I remember like we stopped at Lake Crescent, which is like the– a crazy epicenter for activity. Yeah. You know, uh, got, you know, anyways, that's a whole different podcast. Listen to my twilight podcast for that. I don't actually.

36:12 Yeah, man. Twilight, this twilight, that up there. Oh my goodness. For sure. For locals. Yeah. What was it like hanging out with the Browns on their property? I know that that is, there's been a ton of activity on there. Yeah. So I mean, all the places I've been, like, I always tell people like, I think the most guaranteed Sasquatch sighting that I could think of where I'd be like, all right, this person needs to experience something and they're willing to do whatever it takes. I think what you should do is not go to Vancouver Island, not Nordeg, not Bluff Creek, any of these places, go to the Brown property mid October and just go camp in their backyard for a week alone. And you can't tell me that something intense is not going to happen. Um, I like, I just, I, because I really feel like I just really, I think there's certain locations, whether it's like private land or Indian reservations where this species as intelligent as it is understands that these are places where outsiders don't really travel and there's not going to be development. A parking lot isn't going to go in like, and, and they just find, I think safety likely find like safety in knowing that and having trusted people like the Browns, like don't put out cameras. And these Sasquatch like come right up to their house. They come right up to their house and have cleaned out, you know, their, their, their vegetables and fruit and stuff. And, um, and man, they have all kinds of, you know, I'm sure, you know,

37:43 like photos and audio and thermal, but, but I was there, um, I think like mid September, but yeah, you go there in October a week, a week in a tent alone. There's no way something isn't going to go down. It's just can you handle it? Are you going to last the week? For sure, dude. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, I can't even imagine. Also, don't just show up at the Browns. Yeah, I'm sorry. Mike Wander said to just show up and tent here. No, you got to ask people before you just show up. Wild stuff. You've been to Mount Hood. I've been out in the woods in Mount Hood National Forest. What was it like tenting, camping out in the Mount Hood area?

38:24 I mean, I've heard some intense stuff out there. Yeah, it was awesome. Um, I, uh, where I, the first time I went out to Oregon, I did Mount hood. Yeah. I think it was in like the Clackamas area. And, uh, I just went to a place where Tyler from the NABC told me that he had one, um, like reached through his tent. Um, so I went there and, or, and again, then he said he also like heard them screaming or heard like two figures screaming at each other. Um, so I went to that spot and spent a couple of nights alone or, yeah, I think I was there for one night and then I spent a second night somewhere else. It was awesome. It was, it was, it was cool. It was like sometimes looking for Bigfoot, it's just a cool magical experience where it's like, maybe these, maybe these things are here and it's not like you don't get like overwhelmed by fear. Like I wasn't, I wasn't intensely afraid, um, in Mount Hood. Like that was, that was a, that was a really cool experience. Unfortunately, I think that entire area was clear cut since I've been there. Um, And yeah, Mount Hood was awesome. I actually went back recently. I still have to edit this video and I did Tillamook.

39:28 Um, Oh yeah. On the coast. Yeah. I did the, I did like coastal Oregon and, and, you know, Cliff kind of helped me out and like where to go and that, I mean, the rain ended up, but, um, but yeah, that's, I mean, that's a squatchy place too. Oh my goodness. Um, going back to where we started, uh, Bluff Creek is such an interesting area. Um, there can be a lot of weird, did you have any weird stuff happening in Bluff Creek? I've heard from some people that they have experienced things out of the ordinary. There was a pretty normal situation for you. I was pretty, yeah, I think it's pretty normal. I'm sorry.

40:09 I tried my best to be pretty grounded. I'm not going to be like, yeah. Um, uh, I, uh, I think I remember when I was there, I ended up maybe for the first time feeling, I think I was hiking around on the forestry roads and I, I kind of just, one of those things where you're turning around every five seconds. I think that was kind of the first time I'd really felt that granted. I absolutely allow for the possibility that you're freaking yourself out. Um, but yeah, it was one of those things where I just kept turning around every five seconds and we start walking a little faster and suddenly it just feels like there's something behind you. I remember I felt, I felt that there. Um, but other than that, nothing, nothing happened in, uh, bluff Creek.

40:51 I actually just went back to bluff Creek. Um, but I was on the other side of the go road and I did like the six rivers national four. I met up with a, um, a guy who works for like the six rivers ranger district. Um, And, uh, we did some stuff out there. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah. We did, um, no, no, no. We did some stuff out there. We didn't, I don't know if, I don't know if we, uh, experienced, I heard a mountain line, which is crazy. Um, he took me to a spot where I spent one night alone up on the go road like towards the end of it where it's like cut off where it doesn't continue onto the, uh, bluff on the Willow Creek, Buff Creek side, whatever it is. Um, cause like the tribe wouldn't let them finish it. Um, so I, I spent a night up there alone and then I met up with, uh, yeah, this guy who works for the ranger district. And, um, he took me to a spot where he had just seen one like a couple of weeks beforehand. Um, apparently. And, uh, I don't know if, I don't know if anything too bizarre happened. I get to listen to my audio. on all these excursions that I just went on. I haven't listened to any of that, but he was telling me something interesting where like, I think he talks about this on camera where he woke up one night after they heard all this stuff in the middle of the night and there was a little green army man in front of his tent. Um, and I was just like, I was saying to him, you know, again, I'm being annoying.

42:17 And I was like, all right, they're like, well, like there, there's no chance that like you had something like that in your pack or, you know, and, and, you know, and he's like, no, no, no. And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But what's really crazy is that he just texted me the other day and he was camping somewhere else in the Sierras. And he said, little green army man in front of his tent again. No way. Oh, that's wild. Um, Okay. So were you able to, uh, did he share like his account then? Were you able to. Get that on film? Yeah. Yeah. He was, he was talking about it on, on camera. I deal with a lot of people who don't want to be on camera, which sucks, but also, you know, I totally get it.

42:58 Not only do I find their stories sometimes more credible when they don't want to be on camera, like in no way, I'm like, Oh, screw it. Then I'm not meeting with you. I'm kind of more interested when, uh, you're not in this for all the reasons that you know, someone might fear you're in it for like you, you had something happen to you that you, that they usually wish didn't happen and they're terrified and they have no interest in getting any type of attention for it. Um, and, and they just want to share their, their story with me. Um, and so that happens a lot. Just, you know, people who don't want to be on camera. So that happened a lot on this recent trip where, uh, man, I wish these people would appear on camera, but they wouldn't.

43:38 Oh, I'm Prince of Wales. Uh, yeah, well, I got, I got someone awesome on Prince of Wales Island. There were a couple other people. There were like 10 people. Every person I talked to on Prince of Wales Island had a crazy story. I, I now, I now I'm like Prince of Wales Island is the squatchiest place I've ever been. I think it is because it's just, there's nobody going in there, knocking on trees, doing whoops, doing anything like that. It's just, it just doesn't happen. And it is massive. It is just you flying in. It's just, endless mountainous valleys all covered in what looks like untouched forest. Like there was a big logging system in there, but not really anymore. And it's just wild wilderness in Southeast Alaska. And every single person I talked to up there had a crazy story.

44:25 Like if they didn't have something directly themselves, they were like, they were like, Oh no, that's stupid. But my best friend swears in his life that he saw something, blah, blah, blah. So that kept happening. The Tlingit were telling me all kinds of stories. But there was a couple people who wouldn't appear on camera on Prince of Wales Island as well as outside Ketchikan. But they still were with me off camera sharing their stories. Absolutely. Man, that place is– I'm thinking of one of the most weirdest interviews I had was a forestry worker where he was just out in the woods– doing some hunting or something like that and he like looks over and it's what looks like a huge orangutan is like getting fish out of the water and it's just like it's so strange the orangutan type ones always weird me out i've heard it a few times um you've you've not had a visual yet do you have anything in mind of like if you were to visualize okay i'll know it's bigfoot Cause it looks like this or you're just open to anything weird. Like it could look like anything and you'll just know.

45:38 Uh, man, I hopefully it's relatively clear. Otherwise I'm going to live in doubt for the rest of my life. Like even like anything that I don't record ends up eventually just getting like gray as it goes. It just gets grayer and grayer in my mind. And even what happened to me, you know, what flew over the trees, like that's that memory is fading. Cause I didn't record it. And, you know, as time goes on, I myself will be like, well, you know, was it really as dramatic as, but like, like, and I, I, but I remember in the moment being like, don't let this fade. This was intense. And if I didn't record that knock up on clay, a quad sound with Eric, that too would have faded. And if I was there alone and I didn't have someone there to corroborate what happened, like, I think that over time it would have, I would have been doubting it. You know, and I would have said, ah, was it really that loud? Like, and if it wasn't that loud, it could have been this.

46:34 It could have been that. So hopefully if I see something, it's clear as day. Otherwise, I'm going to doubt it for the rest of my life. But, you know, I'm almost expecting it to just kind of look pretty human-like. But who knows? Who knows? Expect the unexpected. No, 100%. I agree 100%. Right with you on that one. So your channel is not just Bigfoot, but you also have some really cool videos where it's like you've gone into national parks. I believe you've gone to Glacier and Yellowstone, right? Everywhere, man. Now it's like freaking everywhere. It's crazy. I'm exhausted, dude.

47:17 I'm like barely alive at this point. I was like crawling to the finish line of my last trip that I did because I just– you know, I, I'm not really like, uh, I, I don't know. I, I used to go on like these week trips with my wife, maybe 10 days and we would jam pack it. And my theory was like, well, what happens if I just do that for like six weeks? You know, if I just jam pack six weeks and like every day you're really going for it, whether it's the Bigfoot stuff and taking a float plane to a remote location alone or having a boat drop you off or going to places where people tell you not to go, uh, probably for good reason or like backpacking alone with grizzlies and some of the wildest places. Like I want to do that on paper. Like I talk about during the day, it all sounds great, but then it's just the cumulative effect of that is just exhausting. Um, but yeah, with this last, like nearly two month trip I just did, I was all over the place, all kinds of different national parks and took a lot out of me. What is interesting is a lot, all the backpacking I do, I really don't, um, see or hear or feel a lot of the Bigfoot related things that I do feel, see and hear when I'm in these red hot Sasquatch locations. Um, like you don't, you really don't like hike around for a week and constantly go like what's behind me. You're like, it doesn't actually happen. Um, and, but it does happen when you're in these really spooky places. Um, but so many, so many different, just life changing things in, in, in, in

48:48 my backpacking trips. And I always say this to people like, if it somehow came out tomorrow, which it wouldn't because Sasquatch is real, but if it somehow came out tomorrow that Sasquatch doesn't exist and it never existed, I wouldn't spend one less day in the wilderness because there's already infinite reasons to get out into the most beautiful places in North America. Agreed. I mean, if there was one grizzly bear in North America, the whole world would be talking about it and be like, there's a grizzly bear. But it's just like, it's the fact that there's all these animals that we're just used to existing that we've just grown completely with. Like, like, like, like the fact that there's grizzly bears walking around is insane. Like the fact that Africa has all these well documented, documented animals that we all know about. It's crazy. It's, it's crazier than Sasquatch that there's giraffes and lions and tigers and polar bears. Like, So to me, there's already like infinite beauty and infinite reasons to get out there. But I mean, yeah, man, to be alone at the top of like the Cascades, watching the sunrise or watching a sunset in Glacier National Park with waterfalls around you or just to be amongst an old growth forest, old growth rainforest, wherever that is, it's just incredible. Or to be, you know, alone with grizzlies is ridiculously heart pounding in Alaska. Yeah.

50:08 What's the closest you got to a grizzly? Way too close, especially this last trip, man, this last trip. I'm always excited to go have a grizzly experience. I'm always excited to go see some grizzlies. And for me, if I go out to Yellowstone and I backpack for a week, the highlight is if I maybe see a grizzly. But even if you don't, to me, it's always so exciting, the idea that they're around. and that like, man, you're not on the top of the food chain and you got to do things right. Don't screw up. There's big tracks everywhere. It's so exciting. It's, it's electric. Um, but it's always like the best moment if, man, if you do happen to see a bear, but for me to go out to cat, my national park where the, the highest concentration of brown bears are in the world and, and, and have all those close run-ins that I had with a, with gigantic, like SUV size brown bears. Um, like that was, It was kind of exhausting after a while. At first, it was like the beginning of Jurassic Park when they first see the dinosaurs and everyone's like, oh, and there's beautiful music playing. And then after a while, it's like, all right, get me out of here. We're not in control.

51:18 Everything we're doing is being dictated by the behavior of something else. Like, oh, guys, there's a bear outside. Nobody can leave. Or there's a bear attacking the plane. For real? And we can't get the bear to stop attacking the plane. Are you serious? Yeah. The Rangers are like trying to get it to stop. And it's like, screw you. They're like, stop it. And they're like throwing sticks at it. It was like not doing anything like guys, this is not, I don't love the idea that they seem to be running the show here. Um, and then in Denali, I backpacked Denali. I did a, uh, I closed on my whole trip recently doing a solo backpack in Denali. That was the sketchiest thing I've ever done. And, um, just because I'd never, there was one day where I know I saw, I saw six Grizzlies in the first two days. Um, and it was just like, I was already grizzlied out from Katmai and I just wanted to have like a nice backpacking experience. And instead it was like, it was constant grizzly. So you just, you're not able to rest and your heart is just pounding the whole time. Um, and there's no trails there. So, you know, you could, you could come upon one through thick bush at any moment.

52:26 Oh, that's horrifying. Yeah. Oh my goodness. I didn't think about that. Cause it could be right there. Um, I saw this TikTok with, it's always good sentence starts with that. I saw this TikTok where a rep from Colossal was being interviewed and someone was like, would you bring back the short, was it short-faced bear? No, no. And they were like, probably we wouldn't. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's circle back to you saying probably. Like that should be a blanket no for all time, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, hey, as long as you're keeping it in a cage. By the way, like Jurassic Park, you ever been in like a good zoo? Like it's just like their enclosures are better than the Jurassic Park enclosures.

53:15 So the animals aren't going to get out for the most part. But yeah, I mean, they're not really like releasing these animals into the wild, but, but, but yeah, we don't need any bigger bears. We don't need any bigger bears. The bears on catmine can be 10 feet tall when they stand up 1500 pounds. Like you don't need a bigger bear. I can't, I cannot imagine. Let's say the owner of Skinwalker Ranch calls you up and is like, Hey, Mike Wanders, big fan of the YouTube channel. What if you do a solo for a week on my property? What would you do? That's a good question. If they called me, that might be different. That might be different. I don't know. So I was actually– I started that process of trying to contact everybody on Skinwalker Ranch.

54:03 Oh, you did? Yeah. I was going to go down there. And then I was like, hold on a second. Hold on. Hold on. Like– you know, I, so speaking of the Browns and Jonathan Brown, when I was doing six weeks out West, I was on their property and I was like, yeah, when I get back, I think I'm going to branch more into like, I'm going to start including like some spooky paranormal stuff. I'm gonna start doing ghost stuff. And he was like, dude, you're going to have something attach itself to you. And then I was like, done, forget it. Like, I'm just not doing that. So with skin Walker, no, I, I have no interest in, um, really attaching myself to anything like that. You know, if it's just Sasquatch, that's one thing. Um, But with all that other stuff that seems to surround that area, I'm not too interested in it. Yeah, absolutely.

54:47 But who knows? Yeah. I mean, you never know. He could be a big fan of the show. And if you are, rock on. Yeah, if they sell me. If they pitch it. If they pitch it really well. Yeah, if they pitch it. I've already made that decision years ago. I was like, if they ever reach out, I would definitely say no. I just, I could not do it. I could not do it. Would you, would you, would you visit though and just not spend the night? I don't even think I would visit to be honest. Um, just cause like the weird medical stuff. Like, so this is my first time with cancer. Like I had cancer when I was a little kid too. And so I don't know, just something about me is like, I, that's like poking a bear big time, you know, because you never know how you're a person's going to react on that property. If you're going– well, I mean it's in the books too, not just the show. If you read the books that documented the history of that place, it's crazy.

55:37 I don't– I just don't want to meddle. I don't want to meddle with that stuff. When I left Vancouver Island the first time, that really spooky night I had, my main takeaway was like, oh, we have no idea what's going on. we have no idea what's going on in our own world and in our own reality. Like our five senses, our five senses are just barely scratching the surface. Um, it's like, there is infinitely more going on in our reality, in our universe than what we are actually able to perceive. You know, it's like, imagine explaining the complexities of the universe to a cockroach. Like their mind can only understand so much. Our mind can only understand so much and, and to leave that location.

56:19 And I was just like, Whoa, We don't know. I picked up on it for a second. It's like my ancient sixth sense seems to kick in a little bit and picked up on like, whoa, there's something else. I don't know what it is. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. That would definitely be the whole Skinwalker thing. A place like that for me would definitely be when I went to Tennessee in April, experienced a lot. I would say, man, if you do make it down to Tennessee for this series, do not underestimate it. the Smokies. And if you get out to the Cumberland plateau, just in case, do not underestimate that area at all. It's absolutely insanity. They were like, I was hearing voices in the woods. Uh, there's another place there was, uh, we were surrounded by orbs. Like it was, I was like, what's happening right now, man.

57:10 Well, the East coast almost freaks me out more. I like, I wanted, I want to do it. There's something about the East coast that for some reason scares me a little bit more. I've been talking to Alex Petikoff about this, where it's like, Oh yeah. there's something, are there something about the East coast woods? Maybe it's like the, it's just the, the, the denser history of bloodshed and wars, um, that have just gone on on the East coast, just because this is where, that's where it's been really developed for such a long time. Um, that there's just been so much bloodshed here for so long, um, that it just adds a, such a spook factor to the woods. Um, yeah, but, You saying that really makes me want to go to that location.

57:53 Are there any places on your bucket list that you have not been able to go to yet for the series, but you are kind of hoping that maybe someday it would happen? Oh yeah. So many places. Well, first of all, I'd like to go back to so many of the locations that I've already been to. Of course, because what I do is like totally like, counterproductive in terms of having a Sasquatch encounter. Like what you should really do is like post up in one location for like, and just keep going to that same location over and over and over and over again. Right. Um, but I have way too much ADD and also I like to show people the beautiful, different, beautiful landscapes. Um, so that's kind of why I bounce around. Um, so in the name of seeing something new, like Yeah. I, I, I have an interest in, in, in seeing, uh, you know, the Boggy Creek area and doing down in the swamps of like Florida, maybe, and, and, and, and Texas and the Smokies. Uh, I'd like to go to the Nahanni up in Yukon.

58:51 I was gonna, I was gonna say you should do that to the Headless Valley, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, you know, certain places, it almost feels like I want, like, like, uh, Are you going because it's what everybody knows about on social media or are you going because you legit think this is your best shot at having like some type of encounter i love that um you know and like portlock is like one of those places like that just seems like okay that's gonna get a gazillion views and because everybody's obsessed with it and these stories have run wild on the internet but is there really a sasquatch there maybe But there's also other locations where you could go and have an encounter.

59:35 Oh, 100%. The thing about Alaska, the thing about the Yukon and the Nahanni is it's so vast. It's so big and wild that not only is it a logistical nightmare to get in there and financially apocalyptic, but it's just, man, I don't know. It's just so big and expansive that the chances of something happening, I don't know. I could be wrong. Maybe I'd end up losing my head. I think that– hopefully not. I think that that area is the best chance on earth for you to see a living dinosaur or a woolly mammoth just because– Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you look into it, it's like this crazy forgotten valley that time forgot and it's just like so many– and people lost their heads too. There's that. But it's wild.

1:00:24 The stories are– are wild uh so. Yeah the last woolly mammoth hiding up in the nahanni area yeah even where i was in denali like there you know people talking about how like the first people to develop these areas 10 000 years ago would hunt up on these ridges here and look down where i was and like the teclanico river valley and hunt woolly mammoths and giant bison um and they still find you know tusks and all kinds of things kind of melting out of not only permafrost but also just glacier it runoff. And I was in Katmai and I'm so tall that I almost like totally took some, something off the wall. Like I almost bumped into it and then I backed off and saw it was a woolly mammoth tusk. And I was like, wait, is that like real? And they're like, yeah, that's a real 10,000 year old woolly mammoth tusk. And I was like, can you put it higher up?

1:01:14 Oh my goodness. Alaska is so wild. This story, I saw a story recently where have you There's a story floating around where supposedly all these hunters are seeing Siberian tiger tracks and seeing tigers on the western side of Alaska. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, no. So like they just swam across the area where it's like really close, you know? That would not be good news. Yeah, that would be terrible news. Well, I kind of consider tigers my favorite animal, but man. Okay. They don't also need tigers there. No. Wow, really? Where? Like right by where the land bridge kind of used to be?

1:01:54 I think so. I don't know the ultra specifics. I have to look it up. But let's see. Dude, that's a video in and of itself. It really is. Tigers. Look over tigers in Alaska. That would do really well, man. Yeah. That would be good. Get killed by a tiger. Yeah, that's true. Uh, you'd be like the guy who got, who's the guy who got taken out by the bears, um, who filmed it? Timothy Treadwell. Timothy Treadwell. Yeah. That's it. Couldn't stop thinking about that, man. I could not stop thinking about that when I was, when I was backpacking in Denali. Yeah. Yeah. Wild, wild stuff. Uh, man, what, what a fun conversation. Just talking, talking about all the areas you've been to and what's coming up. And I mean, uh, listeners make sure that you are, totally subscribe to the Mike wanders channel, uh, double check. Sometimes people get unsubscribed somehow. I don't know how, but they do. And it happens. I'm not going to point fingers YouTube, but, uh, but there's some cool stuff coming.

1:02:55 There's a Prince of Wales and, uh, there's, uh, I'm, I'm excited to see it come out, but Mike, is there any other things you would want listeners to be aware of, um, to follow you or, uh, Ways to reach out if they're like, hey, I want to share with Mike specifically about something. I don't know, man. Just my biggest message to everybody. I don't care if you follow my channel. Just get out into nature, man. Go out, go out, connect and enjoy the beautiful places of North America. And Sasquatch is incredible, but it's also just a part of this bigger, beautiful picture that we have going on on planet Earth. So, man, get out and enjoy our beautiful places. Absolutely.

1:03:36 Absolutely. And subscribe to Mike's channel because I said it was. A good idea. Do it, guys. Yeah, that's it. All right. Thanks for coming on, Mike. I appreciate it. Dude, my pleasure. Thanks for having me, man. Thank you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is bigger and stranger than we think and that the truth is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to subscribe to the channel on YouTube. Hit the bell so you don't miss the next episode and share this with a friend who's into mysteries, monsters, or the unexplained. And if you're listening to us on Spotify or Apple Podcast, please follow the show there and leave us a five-star positive review because all that helps more people discover the show.

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