Aug. 9, 2026

Hidden Bigfoot Archives Reveal Southwest Secrets in New Mexico & Oklahoma | Archives

Hidden Bigfoot Archives Reveal Southwest Secrets in New Mexico & Oklahoma | Archives
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Season 1

Step back into the Bigfoot Society archives with two unforgettable interviews that first aired on October 2 and October 3, 2024 as Episodes 545 and 546.


Veteran researcher, actor, and investigator Jesus Payan shares decades of Bigfoot research spanning New Mexico, Oklahoma, and the American Southwest. From reports passed along by Forest Service employees and law enforcement to military sightings near White Sands Missile Range, strange encounters on Native lands, and firsthand experiences deep in the mountains, this conversation explores some of the most compelling stories from a lifetime spent pursuing the unknown.


Then, Oklahoma witness Mary takes us into the forests surrounding Grand Lake of the Cherokees, where generations of her family quietly accepted Sasquatch as part of everyday life. She recounts childhood sightings, mysterious knocks and whoops, oversized footprints, strange nests, intimidating encounters near homes, and decades of activity stretching across Delaware County, Mayes County, the Illinois River, and beyond.


These archive conversations capture the eyewitness accounts that helped shape Bigfoot Society into what it is today. Whether you're hearing them for the first time or revisiting these classic interviews, you'll discover why these stories continue to resonate with listeners years later.

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You're listening to Bigft Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us. Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers

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as he continues his fight against cancer. For more updates

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about his medical journey, please go to the caring Bridge

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link in the show notes. Thank you all right, Bigfoot Society,

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You've got the privilege of talking to mister Jesus Paian today.

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He is known for a variety of things. He's been

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a Hollywood actor, stuntman, and encrypted UFO researcher for over

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thirty years. Jesus, how are we doing tonight? That's awesome.

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Been looking forward to talking to you for quite a while,

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my friend. Thank you for coming on the show. I've

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heard that you've been into a lot of interesting the

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things regarding your bigfoot research. But let's let's start right

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from the beginning. What was it that first got you

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into researching sasquatch or Bigfoot.

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Well, when I first started out, I was about four

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years old and my mom had a book called Arthur

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She's It was Arthur she Clark's book, My Serious World,

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and that was like the first time I saw anything

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with Bigfoot related in there. And that's all the Luckiness Monster.

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I was living in England with my parents and we

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went to the Luckiness in Scotland and hunted mess you

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for two weeks on the rock. And yeah, so it

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started early from me. And also it was like I

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was seeing UFOs already, you know, by that time, it's

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barely between four and five. And when I was seeing

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my first UFOs that I can remember about a little

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over hours drive for me was the Randallstrom Forest incident.

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I have you heard of that. It's like England's rather.

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Well exactly, there was a lot going on.

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And then when I came to the States anytime, and

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you know, an elemental that we had have those scholastic

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little book sales, anything that was you know, cryptid related

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or ufolderything. I always would, you know, try to get

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and then it didn't. I would say, it didn't become

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actual research until after two thousand. Okay, so after two thousand,

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that's when I first got to experience it physically by

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being chased. Me and my family were chased by what

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I believe was an adolescent sasquatch. Well for us, it

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looks like a six foot tall, you know, full grown,

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you know, scary thing. But six foot tall sasquatch is

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pretty short for especially a male you know that world.

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But yeah, that was my first taste of the unknown,

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officially as in crypto wives. So my folks we moved

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to Ridolso, New Mexico. My mom got a job at

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the forest apartment, and my sensor got a job at

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the local police department, and we moved into a cabin there.

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And on the first couple of days we were there,

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I got to hear a bigfoot screen called yield, a long,

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high pitch, almost like if you if you were going

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really fast down the road and you just like at

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least ninety there was no anything to hit, and you

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just sland on your brakes and just held onto your

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backs until you stopped. It's a real long that's something

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I could describe something, something's skiddy, but it was just

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way too long. And we're in the mountains and the

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little straight roads to do that, everything in the forest

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shut up. My mom was right there, my ball was

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right there, and my central was right there, and it

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just got super dupery, you know. I was like, what

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the heck was I you know, and then it did

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it again, and my mom jodged. So maybe it's bigfoot

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and was not. I think it. I think it is.

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And I ran inside, jumped on the computer and looked

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up bigfoot audio calls, you know, recordings of sasquatch, and

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I found one that matched exactly what we just heard.

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And then that was when it got really I guess addictive.

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And my mom working with the Force apartment, they would

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get reports from campers and some of their their control

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guys and rangers, but they couldn't do the investigating because

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it's not supposed to exist. But there are allowed to

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tell me about it. You know. They didn't say who reported,

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but they tell me the area was reported, and my

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sister would also get you know, big The police department

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would get Bigfoot reports and we're gonna have to go

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check them out because it's not supposed to exist. So

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I would end up burning all the different areas that

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they were at and start That's when I really started

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doing my church, i'd say two thousand three ish, or

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what i'd call research versus just thinking it's real cool

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and trying to meet up on anything that I could find,

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because back then, YouTube wasn't what YouTube is today. The

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Internet wasn't really better what it is today. And you

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know that's your uber rich in that that time, you know,

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in two thousand and three, So I'd say that's when

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I officially started doing actual research into it.

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That is absolutely fascinating. How what was your age at

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that time period in two thousand and three?

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In two thousand and three, I was thirty three.

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Okay, that's cool. So you're thirty three, Your mom was

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getting you the reports from the forestry department, your sister

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is giving you other stuff from the police department. Man,

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that sounds like an absolute dream and you're living your

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your real life X files out there, but all.

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Oh times three.

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Oh thank goodness. What was the craziest thing that you

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saw coming through from your mom or your sister, I

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would say.

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A rancher called and he reported that his cattle were

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freaking out. His dog started freaking out, so he ran

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out to the field and he saw a sasquatch trying

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to steal a cow and it was grabbing it from behind.

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I'm basically you saw it look kind of its kind

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of suspect or sus the way it was grabbing it.

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But it was just trying to, I guess, carry it off.

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But I grabbed it from behind like it was gonna

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do a heimlicnumber to the cow, and the cow was struggling,

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and there was footprints left in the mud where the

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cow was moving forward a while the sasquatch is heels

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were digging in. And at the time, you know, I

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hadn't done anything casting. I didn't have any casting stuff either,

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so I didn't even think about it. I was just like,

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oh wow, because I found out where it was, I

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went to go talk to the guy, and yeah, there

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was tracks and everything still. So to me, that one

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was the weirdness from my mom's from the forest apartment

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unofficially allegedly, and then from my sisters the police department

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reade out some downs. She got a phone call from

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a at taxing woman from the reservation, and the lady

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was you know, there was other phone calls to name

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I want too because she was standing in the middle

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of the street and wouldn't move. It said, she wouldn't

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leave that spot until police came and picked her up

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because she was so scared. And what happened was this

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is in the middle of the daytime, early afternoon. She

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was walking by the Walgreens and was walked the street

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that goes kind of behind it and downward, you know,

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down to the canyon, and there was two sasquatch digging

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through the trash cans the big old you know, there's

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big trash cans of the flippy lids the sores have

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and we had just recently had major fires, so a

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lot of the sasquatch and other animals were coming into

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town for you, looking for food because everything was burnt.

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So she got so freaked out and when they when

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she you know, she she's screamed. They looked up and

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walked right back into you know, towards the canyon in

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the forest, and that's when she started freaking out and people, yeah,

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she was all the cops and then when my sister

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got there, she told her the same thing and told

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her that she's not moving from that spot unless she

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my sister gave her a ride anywhere. But there she

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wasn't to go anywhere explicitly just I don't want to

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be anywhere near this spot. Please just take me somewhere else,

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you know. So I thought that was out of the two,

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those are the most interesting from from her mom and

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my sister. Now, a very even more interesting occasion happened

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in the same area and Mescalero Apatri. I was on

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the reservation hanging out with you know, some friends were

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having a little get together, and this one lady comes

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up to me and she's hey, they say that you're

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into the whole you know, bigfoot sasquatch thing, the Harry boys,

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and like, yeah, yeah, I kind of hand. She was, well,

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my neighbor. She was a single mom. She's the story

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she told me. Her neighbor, just a single mom with

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two kids. They were in their cabin and a female

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bigfoot in her they believe, with the male child, which

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was like fighting tall just you know, how to use

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the handle, and walked in her cabin and her and

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the kids ran into the room, locked the door, and

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the mother sasquatch and the child Jashquatched, the juvenile rummaged

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through her kitchen in the fridge and we're eating stuff

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and just making a mess. And after about thirty minutes

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they had they finally had left and they came out

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of the room and the kitchen was all messed up,

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and she said, and can you believe it, they left

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the door open. Oh the you know, the cold air

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got out. But she was more mad at their conditioning situation.

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Then there's two freaking sps squatch in your house.

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That's that's that checks out, though, you know it's funny. Wow,

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well it sounds like there's quite a bit of activity

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in that area.

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Oh yeah. From all through all my research that I

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figured out, I've been like kind of following their trail, because,

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like I said, after two thousand and three later, I

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ended up becoming a law enforcement investigator Boughtyguard Pen detention

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Federal detention officer and worked as a you know, a

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hearing officer, And so I was able to now and

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like really improve my investigative skills and tracking skills, and

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took every opportunity that my mom's the Ports Department would

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give you know, classes, any type you know of anything

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to do with animals and tracks and you know the

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local fauna. Because of that, I was able to start

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really putting together where they travel and how far they travel.

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And I didn't realize that sasquatch do go through deserts

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and they're able to run one hundred miles and not

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a problem for them to just go and they'll travel

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all the way to a different mountain range here, because

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there was about sixty miles in between our mountain ranges

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and White Tins Missile Range, the Halmon Air Force Base

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that leads all the way to a Passo, Texas and

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what is Mexico. And I followed the trail because there

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were reports from the military guys doing their patrol at

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the missile range and they report seeing sasquatch out there

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at night, and one of them reported, you know, seeing

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one running with their hum V. They're driving the full

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full speed, you know, I think it was like forty

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five or fifty five or something, and it was keeping up,

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it was going all fours just running with them. And

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then you go farther down the mountain range, which I

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believe the Oregon Mountains. Eventually they'll get to the.

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Border patrol area where the where the the border is,

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and they have reports from the Border Club themselves at

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nine ten using their fleer, you know, so you can

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see the heat signature, and they would occasionally.

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See a sasquatch squad it inside a big bush, waiting

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for legal immigrants. And there's been bodies found out there,

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you know, dismembered, but they say it's cartel. We don't know.

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But I think it's really interesting that in that same

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area there's hills, there, mountains, smaller mountains that have tons

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of old mines, okay, old silver mines and Ochurber's mines.

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And the local urban legend for a long time in

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that area was that there's a witch that there's in

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those those caves and if you go up there, she'll

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she'll catch you and eat you. And the description of

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the witch is about an eight foot tall, hairy covered monster.

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Mm. Wow, yeah, I want to verify. I want to

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I guess just make sure I heard it right. Something

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you said a minute ago. So you're saying that there

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are actual reports you've taken from Border patrol where Sasquatch

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is pretty much just dispatching or believed to dispatch illegal

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immigrants as they cross the border.

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A passle. My family I have. My uncle's was one

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of a sheriff you know, Pasto, Texas. And my other

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uncle is a police officer and his son is a

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police officer. He's a detective there at the department now.

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And one of my other uncles was the border patrol.

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So I got to hear from you know them. And

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there's actually a video on YouTube with a Border patrol

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agent telling the same story. It's on YouTube, like he's

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in uniform and everything. He's talking about them seeing big yeah,

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big poots out there.

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You know, that's absolutely fascinating. Do you get a lot

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of reports from that hollom And Air Force Base and

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the White Sands area?

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Not really too like bunches. The base has a lot

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of wear crap going on because of the misshole range,

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Like do you remember that movie or hero of the

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movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Sure that happened

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here on that that missile age that it was based

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on that here. So there's there's more UFO reports here

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in that area of the of the base than Sasquatch.

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But they have been, you know, multiple reports of those

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weird things being found out there. I think it's a

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big Sasquatch files or big Foot files with Linn. Do

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you know her name? Lynn? Her name, yeah, Yeah. She

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used to have the playlists of different reports and one

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of was like the reports from you know wild Man

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from the eighteen hundreds and nineteen hundred reports, and then

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she had a section where it was military reports and

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in her in one of those videos, she also talks

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about Holloman Air Force Base, talking about, you know, some

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of the reports that have been turned in from there.

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So I would say the more the most reports out

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here is normally UFOs and closer to the reservation, it's

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more common to hear about the Bigfoot situation. It's occasional

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in Ridoso, which is everything from where I'm sitting right

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now in this moment. Everything I'm talking about is pretty

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much within an hour at most. Well, I do the

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majority of my research, which I do it everywhere now,

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but the majority of my research I live at the

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base of the mountain here and it's in Cloud Crop,

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New Mexico, and it's about fifteen to twenty minute drive

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to my location, so it's a right right here. And yeah,

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it's speaking if people are coming out more and more

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willing to talk about this because it's become mainstream, you know,

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the sasquatch deal, because of the Internet. But yeah, it's trip.

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It really, it really is. It's I mean, I've only

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been in this for about five years, and I can

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even see a difference over the last five years. It

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just continues to become more and more mainstream. The focus

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of the interview is definitely going to be on Bigfoot,

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but I am going to ask a question just because

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if I don't, my listeners would be like, why didn't

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you ask a question? So, but we'll twist it. You see.

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So you're you're greatly known for playing a role in

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the show Breaking Bad correct, Yes, yes, sir, so during

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the filming of that show, did the topic of Bigfoot

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ever come up? Yes, out of the stories you can share.

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Well, the when you're in between scenes, sometimes there's an

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hour in between or or less or more depending on

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how technical the scene is, and they have to reset

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you know, everything explosions or gunshots or whatever. So I

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would always be bored as hell and I'm curious and

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I'd go, you know, talk to the other you know,

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actors and the game man believe in Bigfoot, you know

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what I mean. And they'd be like, no, do you

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and I'm like and then I would tell him, you know,

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experiences that I've had. So the one person that showed

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the most interest in it was R. J. Mittie. He

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plays Walt Junior. I'm breaking bad and yeah, I ended

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up Me and him ended up being roommates and living

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in La together. So she was the most interesting, you

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know in Bigfoot, and I wanted to hear everything I

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had to talk about it and wanted to plan a hunt,

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and then his mom said no, that that would not

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be good for his career. And then yeah, I got

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offered two different TV shows. Do you remember the TV

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show Sons of Anarchy? Sure, yep, yeah, okay. There was

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a girl and an actress named Kristin Renton. She was

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the two main characters. The are brothers and one was

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named Toby and he had like a long beard. His

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wife on the show, girlfriend were pretty cool. They were

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going to do a big foot hunting show with me

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and her because it became so they heard so much

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about you know, me and being connected with that stuff,

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and they thought to me, but it didn't work out.

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She ended up doing some other project. And that never happened.

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Then I got offered another show that I was going

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to be doing it with Megan Fox and me, and

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it was gonna be the US doing investigations around the

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world of all the weird stuff, you know, not just

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big Foot, not just pupil, not just go she not

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even alive, bit of everything and where it was all

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ready to go. And then Victoria's Secret offered her, Oh,

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I was like quarter million dollars to go do a

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runway tour with them or something, and they paid price

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as much as that they were offering her to do

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the show. So she went with the Victoria's Secret tea

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and then met her new husband that you know today

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machine Bene Kelly Kelly.

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What could have been? That would have been a very

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interesting show, And I mean, who knows, you may even

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get something offered in the future.

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I mean right, yeah, well I had just got married,

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so that didn't work out too well. My wife was

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like no, no, she was like no other come on,

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you know no. So yeah, it was like the producers

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wuldn't mean in the Christien from the sense of anarchy

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to spend two weeks in the forest, no cameras, no

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nobody else just mean to her, and they wanted me

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to teach her for two weeks every single thing possibly

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I knew about hunting and tell squad you know, so

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for the show, and that was just did knock out

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you know.

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No, no, that that would have not made it better.

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I'm a professor, I'm a professional. I mean, I'm not

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I'm not a dog, and I think, man, I don't

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blame any women that would be mentioned, but doing that,

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they'd be like, no, sorrybody, you know.

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If that had happened that two week period, what kind

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of things would have you had brought up during that time?

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Well, first thing I would show her is how to

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recognize an area that has sasquatch in it more than likely.

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That's how I try. I don't just go to random

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spots first, of course, I'll i'll, you know, look up

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the areas where there's in reports. But I only go

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in certain areas that I see the telltale signs of sasquatch,

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which is their feelings there, their wooden hieroglyphs. You know

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pretty much that they're used to talk to each other.

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They're not for us humans to know. We're not supposed

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to know, you know, exactly what's going on with it?

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So you know, that would be the first thing to

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show that if you see these specific things like is

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that a tree lane? The giant x is trees that

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are sticking the ground upside down, things that humans can't

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do without a major tractor or say a crane. And

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if you know you're like, okay, well somebody came in

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here with a tractor or a crane, they could have

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moved these things. Then like you know, I would tell her, Okay,

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if that's the case, then where did it have to

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go through to get to that spot? And if those

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trees are knocked down for it to go through there,

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then probably wasn't one of those things. Anything that you

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see that's odd in the forest, you got to ask

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yourself first can a human do it? And if a

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human could possibly pull it off, then you got to

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ask yourself why, why would they do that? And how

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far are you into the mountains? Like would somebody go, Man,

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it would be so funny. I'm gonna make a wood

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structure and hopefully in the next like ten years, somebody

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accidentally walk on to it and it gets up big.

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But you know, it's like, okay, if you ever lifted wood.

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If you're out there or done any wood chopping, a

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log that's long, it's longer than four feet and an

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inches thick, they get pretty heavy, you know. So when

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you're dealing with giant teepees forty fifty foot teepees and

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these logs, you go there and you got to look

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and see, did this just fall over? Is it snowfall?

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You know? Is it a dying tree? Is it a

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disease tree? If the root did not come out of

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where it's at, it was brought there. And if it

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was brought there, could a human have done it? And

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then a human couldn't have done it, which animal on

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that force could have done it? If you can't figure

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out all the noose species in that force that possibly,

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somehow strangely could pull that off, which usually isn't the case,

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then you then you fall into it might have been

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a bigfoot. Does it fall into the normal quote unquote

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normal huge structures situations that are commonly found in bigfoot areas.

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Then you can say, hey, I think it's a bigfoot.

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And then from there that's when you go deeper into

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looking for tracks for you know, seats where they'll sit,

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you know, and eat ups from the pine cones and

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watching certain areas, stuff like that, little things like that

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to look out for and to always I would tell

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her not to throw out the baby with the backwater,

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because a lot of bigfoot researchers do this. They'll see

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smaller things, small structures or something, and they'll just automatically like, yeah, no,

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it's too that's two way too low. It was a deer.

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A deer broke that branch. A deer did this. It

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was a deer. You can't throw away what you're finding

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because they have children. And how do we teach our

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children to do what we want them to do. We

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show them and they copy us. So if I'm a

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big old sasquatch and I'm making a big old you

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know TP or say like a wigwam a little shelter,

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or doing the grid patterns with the wood on the

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you know, making these weird strange grids with the fallen trees,

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and then you're finding the little versions of them, more

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than likely it's either a juvenile or one of the

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little sasquatches. The little feet, the sasquatches, what they're tying,

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they're like the wars. Yeah, there's so much to I

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would have the future, but I'd have two full weeks

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to go through it all and that would have been enough.

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Have you gotten to the point where you are you

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know exactly what bigfoot is or you've made the decision

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in your mind, Okay, this is what bigfoot is, this

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is what it's all about.

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Yeah. Well, one, without a question, that's real. What's real? Two,

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I believe it's a human. I don't think it's local

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fauna or just a big a a gorilla or a chimpanzee.

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Not that they're stupid or anything, but it's just it's

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not just an animal. It's actually it's a human, and

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it's just a really very large one that can now

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do everything we can do easily and survive, you know,

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way easier. But I really do believe that the Sasquatch

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were the first version of humans, and at some point

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they got well study you know, ancient history and the

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Sumerians and all the different Native American stories of the

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first ones that were here. Were mischievous. They were too big,

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they're too strong, they didn't want to listen. They were

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causing tons of problems. And call them gods, call them presidents,

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call them whoever was in charge got pissed off in

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pretty much kind of like banned them from interacting with us,

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and they were sent all to the depths of the

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forest around the world. They were toming going amongst the

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men again. And we're getting now people are finding a

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bunch of big, giant airy dudes in these forests. But

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it's way more complicated than that. I think it's not

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just you know, really comminents that have survived from you know,

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way back when, because there's reports of them being with

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aliens or gray's or retilions, whatever you want to call them,

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demons all the same little word guys are the big

452
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heads and the big you know, those big almond shape eyes.

453
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:30.039
Some are green, some are gray, some are white, some

454
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:33.599
are dark brown some but they've been seen with them.

455
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:40.599
UFO reports are often followed a big fociding or orbs glowing.

456
00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:42.559
Then you got the people that say, you know, they

457
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:46.039
can jump into different dimensions. I think that they're like

458
00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:53.519
humans in the sense that some are wild inbred and

459
00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:58.720
just kind of like Neanderthal men, but way way more

460
00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:01.799
primitive primitive. And then I think there's some that are

461
00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:05.039
like us in the hippy sense. Make love not war,

462
00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:08.319
We love you, We care about humans, they try to

463
00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:10.480
protect us. There's the stories that where you find, you know,

464
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:14.559
here little kids or somebody was saved by one. And

465
00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:17.359
then there's the ones that hate us with a passion,

466
00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:20.160
that'll eat us out of anger, not because they're hungry.

467
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:23.359
And then, like I said, this goes on the ones

468
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.920
that I'm guessing our military has that they're messing with.

469
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:30.400
And like I said, there's so much to them that

470
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:34.680
it's not I can't just stick them in one little section.

471
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:39.079
But for sure they are real and some sort of

472
00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:41.880
human because you know, we worked on the DNA of

473
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:47.160
Sasquatch with the other project. It's half human period. The

474
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:52.839
other half we're not. The military knows. But the mother

475
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.680
the mate Hundri DNA was a human mother, first one

476
00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:59.960
when they were first made, which goes to the story

477
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:05.039
with the the Sumerians of when they created man and

478
00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:08.480
the first one was covering hair they made it was

479
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:13.480
articles on the nation and they combining with a human mother,

480
00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:21.880
and uh commented from where they were occupying apparently in

481
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:26.759
local commented, Yeah, for slave slavery renisons.

482
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:31.559
Some really fascinating stuff. And the thing I love about

483
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:37.200
the topic is that there's literally something for everyone in

484
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:39.519
the field of big foot. I think people that aren't

485
00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:41.799
in the field of big foot, they're like, Oh, it's

486
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:44.519
just it's just whatever. But when you start looking into it,

487
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:46.759
you're like, oh, there's so many different ways I could

488
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:51.160
look into this. Now, you kind of mentioned military stuff

489
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:56.200
for a bit, and I'm curious what your your thoughts

490
00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:58.240
are on this. Do you think you know how right

491
00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:01.200
now we're kind of living through a u FO disclosure.

492
00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:04.519
It's starting, it's happening for the last few years, and

493
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:07.920
now it's it's becoming more and more even as we're talking.

494
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:12.680
Do you think maybe we will sometimes maybe we'll we'll

495
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:15.119
lift through that with with bigfoot or Sasquatch.

496
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:24.160
I would say not by then telling us. If it

497
00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:28.880
does happen, it'll be because they can't control a situation

498
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:32.200
with them. The only way I would see it coming

499
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:37.160
out because it's way too useful as an asset to

500
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:41.079
the military versus you know, like the UFOL thing. The

501
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:45.079
UFOL thing, we can't really touch. It's none in our backyard.

502
00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:50.519
It's very very elusive, you know, beyond you know, looking

503
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:53.160
in the forest, and of course you have a lot

504
00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:56.240
of technology themselves. They're using UFO wise that they can

505
00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:58.759
get away and say, oh, it's aliens, you know, But

506
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:02.559
with the Sasquatch, and I think they're more interested in

507
00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:05.440
the whole DNA aspect of it and using it for

508
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:11.759
some type of not not cool things, you know, because yeah, no,

509
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:14.880
because I you know, you'll hear from say there's no

510
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:20.000
evidence the reason some blury pictures, right, But if you

511
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:22.039
actually do the research and take the tony of the research,

512
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:26.279
there is more than enough evidence times ten, you know,

513
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:29.319
times twenty square to the root of you know what

514
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:32.839
I mean. We got we got footprints with dermal ridges

515
00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:36.279
that are not human. They're the dermal ridges run the

516
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:39.599
same direction as the great apes, you know, like gorillas

517
00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:43.839
and champs. We got video, We've got pictures. We've got

518
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:48.039
good pictures, and everybody complains about there's no clear pictures. Well,

519
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:50.599
we got clear pictures in the negatived it's a fake

520
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:54.519
because it can't be really too good, you know what

521
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:56.920
I mean. So like a lot of people out there

522
00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:58.599
that you know, are gonna hear I'm gonna say that

523
00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:04.920
that that word odd standing, don't don't.

524
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:07.920
Yeah, no, it's cool.

525
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:12.359
That Like a lot of people I.

526
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:14.519
Know, there's there's people all over the world there just

527
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:16.720
going click on this right now. It's like it's it's.

528
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:21.279
Fine, y'all, just listen now, I'll give you all some

529
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:25.599
good reasons to keep on listening. All right. So, I

530
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:29.160
think there's two reasons. A lot of people don't like

531
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:31.680
Todd sitting there. That's a huge problem in the Bigfoot

532
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:35.240
world and every other cryptid and paranormal group out there.

533
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:40.240
Oh it's so there's so much drama, silly dramas. Everybody

534
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:44.839
judges everybody by their personality, not on their evidence, but

535
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:50.160
by their personality and if they like them on it outstanding. Okay,

536
00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.400
he's abrasive. I mean know, respect you to Todd. I know

537
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:58.119
you're passionate and you're doing what you're doing. But a

538
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:00.720
lot of people don't like how passed him as he is.

539
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:05.359
You know, when he was out hunting with Jeff Meldrum, Jeff,

540
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.200
you know, Jeff, Doctor Jeff said, you know, he's a

541
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:12.119
little he's just really a little overly passionate, you could say,

542
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:16.920
and it's like, look, it's obviously bitquid. Look at tars bitquit,

543
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:21.359
which because he's seeing it out there, it's obvious to him.

544
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:26.200
But doctor Jeff. He isn't ready to just declare stuff,

545
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:28.920
you know what I mean, he's the works out of university. Still,

546
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:32.240
he's got to worry about that stuff. But so I

547
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:36.039
listened to everybody's complaints about Todd standing and their complaints.

548
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.359
The biggest one, I said, it's fake, And I asked him,

549
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:41.440
why do you think it's fake? They'll tell me, oh,

550
00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:47.039
there's there's footage of of him faking it, like, really

551
00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:51.759
show it to me. Okay, let's throw that out the water,

552
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:54.079
saying nobody's been able to show me the footage that

553
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:57.079
proves that he's fake. You know. The other the next

554
00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:00.359
answer is, you know, his sister in law works in

555
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:03.319
the movie industry as a makeup artist, so it was

556
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:07.440
made by her. She made the mask they put on Todd. Right,

557
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:11.400
and then it's outstanding himself or pretending to be a

558
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:16.039
big foot and taking pictures of himself. Well, Luckily, I'm

559
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:18.599
a professional, and I've been in the movie industry for

560
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:23.680
going on twenty years now, and I know special effects.

561
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:26.720
I went to coll the Mitology for makeup a long

562
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:31.359
time ago. Those are two different departments. The makeup lady,

563
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:35.720
she dusts her forehead in your nose, so it's not

564
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:39.599
too shiny for the camera. Show glue on, maybe a

565
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:42.799
fake mustache, or go to heuro put on a wig

566
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:48.079
on you. She's not a creature creator, she they don't

567
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:53.480
make animatronics, they don't make masks. You need special effects

568
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:59.039
people to do that. It's not cheap. What's soo okay

569
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:02.640
to do that? He does not scream wealthy to me.

570
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.680
Just that's just personal my own opinion to where he

571
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:10.840
would be wasting the money to do that, on what

572
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:13.760
it would cost. Do you remember the movie of the

573
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:14.800
Dark Crystal.

574
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.119
Sure, Yeah, classic Jim Henson movie.

575
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:21.599
Right exactly. So I'm friends with a guy that worked

576
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:25.760
with Jim Henson on that movie, Michael McCormick. Okay, he

577
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:30.360
needed a puppeteer, you know, for Jim Henson and helps

578
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:33.199
you know, build those type of things, and for that

579
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:36.159
movie they needed a little bit of everything. Somethings are animatronics,

580
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.119
some things are people in suits, some things are puppets.

581
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:41.559
You know that in that movie. So I asked him,

582
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:43.400
I said, I said, Michael, do me a favor. I'm

583
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.079
gonna send you some images and a video. I need

584
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:50.639
to know something. Is it a mask? Is it a

585
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:55.400
puppet or is it animatronic or do you think it's

586
00:34:55.440 --> 00:35:00.400
an animal? That's all I want to know. And if

587
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:04.599
you think it's animatronic or a puppet or a mask,

588
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:11.960
what kind of budget would I mean to pull that off? Okay? Now,

589
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.079
one of the images of the Sasquatch, it's next to

590
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:19.920
a tree which has a certain size of needles, you know,

591
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:23.800
the leaves, and with their needles of a specific type

592
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:27.920
of evergreen, you can literally figure out the size of

593
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:33.320
the head of that whatever it is by measuring those

594
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:38.280
needles next to its head, which it shows when you

595
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:41.119
do that that it's a giant freaking head. You know

596
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:47.400
it's head. It's huge. And so Michael said, it's not

597
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:51.000
a puppet for sure, it's not a mask. And if

598
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:54.920
it's animatronic, which he doesn't think it was, for that

599
00:35:55.239 --> 00:36:01.280
size of a head with movable blinking eyes, and that's large,

600
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:04.920
and you have to have a whole team to run it.

601
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:08.440
If you've ever seen that type of stuff actually done

602
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:13.760
in Hollywood, you literally have five to ten people all

603
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:18.480
working different parts of that animal, fake animal, whatever you

604
00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:20.920
want to call it, animatronic contings to make it all

605
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:24.719
work together to be believable for an audience, and you're

606
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:27.400
looking at a million dollars to build something like that

607
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:31.760
and have a whole team to do that, you know.

608
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:36.280
So there's a bunch of stuff points to me that no,

609
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:38.760
it's it's not fake. Sure, he may be a bracet,

610
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:42.639
he may be you know, considered a jerk or whatever,

611
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:48.599
but it's or sister in law whatever. Makeup. People don't

612
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:50.760
do that kind of stuff. And if she was doing

613
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.280
that kind of stuff, it would be an IMDb with

614
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:56.159
all her credits as a special effects artist in creating

615
00:36:56.239 --> 00:37:01.840
creature cool stuff, you know what I mean? Because that's

616
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:06.239
animatronic and fake or puppets. She needs an award. She

617
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:08.320
needs to be working in Hollywood way more than she

618
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:11.079
is instead of putting on a lipstick and eyeshadow on

619
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:14.320
people and dying gray hair is black, you know what

620
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:17.239
I mean. That's the only reason why I think. And

621
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:20.760
I also I measured the picture. There was a look

622
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.599
you're thoughts standing under her mask. If you measure the

623
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:27.519
eye of that sasquatch, the main one that he shows,

624
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:31.159
you know, and you check the distance between the eyes.

625
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:34.639
I went to our college, I was a commercial art college,

626
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.000
I know, and that I mean, I know the humans

627
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.760
have one eye in between the eyes we have the

628
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:43.119
size of your left eye and the same size as

629
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:45.039
your right. I unless you've got you know, you're born,

630
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:49.719
you know, mouth formed, it's one eye in between. If

631
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:52.559
you measure the one you know, the eye on that

632
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:58.960
you know alleged Sasquatch, it's three of its eyes in

633
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:02.599
between the two. Why which is physically impossable for a

634
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:05.599
human unless you've got like elephant man syndrome or something,

635
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:08.400
you know what I mean. So I don't care if

636
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:10.639
people are jerks. There's a lot of people in the

637
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:14.320
big Foo community that I can't stand. Me just want

638
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:19.719
to be like smack them just so hard. But that

639
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:23.880
does not have anything to do with real evidence, any

640
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:27.480
type of evidence. And we are dying for real evidence,

641
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:30.360
and we're going to throw it out. Some of the

642
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:35.840
best visual photography ever of Sasquage, well outside of you know,

643
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:42.199
government sources. I would try a little harder to scrutinize

644
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:45.079
it a little bit better than just doing a gift

645
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:49.280
image overlay and saying that his PI history of law

646
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:51.880
made it, you know what I mean, that's all the

647
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:56.800
evidence you got. Come on, guys, we're going backwards. We're

648
00:38:56.800 --> 00:38:59.800
going backwards when we should that should be like, you know,

649
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:01.920
cares if he's a weirdo or whatever we want, we

650
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:04.960
want to call him whatever, you know. It's like it's

651
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:08.400
like imagine people getting pissed off at doctor Jef Meldrum

652
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:11.960
because his beard. Well I don't like his task watch

653
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:16.960
theories and his work on feet because you guys stupid murdered.

654
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:21.440
It's like, come on, guys, really, you guys are killing me. Dude.

655
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:22.239
Well that's the thing.

656
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:24.719
I like the mustache better a little bit, you know,

657
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:33.280
mustache medic I'd say definitely h Todd. This Todd Standing

658
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:36.320
discussion is such an interesting discussion. I will tell you this.

659
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:40.559
I did interview a gentleman who had a wild encounter

660
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:45.599
outside of Oakridge, Oregon, and the way he was very

661
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:51.519
hesitant to describe the face of it, and he was like,

662
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:53.679
I know I'm going to get I'm going to get

663
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:56.880
crud for this, But I will tell you that what

664
00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:59.960
Todd Standing captured in that photo is what I saw

665
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:01.840
that day. And I know a lot of people after

666
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.400
I say this will not pretty much not take my

667
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:08.960
encounter seriously because there's just so many, so many people Yeah,

668
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:12.559
it's it's weird that it's such an interesting topic. But

669
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:16.920
I've never talked to Todd personally, right, but it's such

670
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:22.679
a weird how it's it's such a polarizing conversation, right, right.

671
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:27.360
You've heard of doctor bendon Nagel. Yeah, yeah, Okay, a

672
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:29.639
lot of people love that guy, A lot of people

673
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:33.639
love his research. Right, so that's all open with I

674
00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:35.920
love to do this because it's so funny. I'll tell

675
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:38.119
you you heard of doctor bender Nagel. Do oh, I

676
00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:41.239
love that old man. Rest his soul and you know,

677
00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:47.320
alright me and oh man, he was the reird deal, right. Well,

678
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:50.119
you know he went out with Todd Standing, and Todd

679
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:52.079
showed him videos that he had with from anybody else

680
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:59.599
of says asquatches, and doctor Bendernagel said, it's real. What

681
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:04.280
do you have us? It's not fake in his own

682
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:11.760
professional opinion, Outstanding is not making it up. So are

683
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:15.000
you saying that you think doctor bender Nagels are fake too?

684
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:19.719
Or is he just an old, stupid old man that

685
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:23.000
you guys don't trust, or are you going to trust

686
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:27.400
the thirty plus years of his work, knowing this creature

687
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:31.239
and deciding for himself while he was up there actually

688
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:33.840
with Todd going to the areas and seeing all the

689
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:35.840
footage that he had. Is he scared to show more

690
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.679
people because everybody's all, yeah, it's fake, you know what

691
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:39.000
I mean?

692
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:46.519
Right, Yeah, it's a very interesting conversation, especially tough when

693
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:49.360
some of the parties involved are no longer with us,

694
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:52.079
so you can't ask them, you know.

695
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:54.960
Well, he's going video saying it. That's the thing.

696
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:58.960
Yeah, right, literally, yeah.

697
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:03.480
Yeah, you know what I mean, that's right. Like my

698
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:07.880
issue is I don't care what other people think a

699
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.039
lot of people have gone out with me hunting, or

700
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:14.519
they've invited me to go with them, and for whatever reason,

701
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:19.800
I'm a weird magnet, okay, And I get interaction a lot,

702
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:22.960
especially at nighttime with all these people that I've gone

703
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:26.119
with and people that they don't like me, and they

704
00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:29.440
get mad because they've had nothing going on, and I

705
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:30.800
go with them, and then all of a sudden, there's

706
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:35.000
action whatever you wanna call it. So a lot of

707
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.760
people they can't they can't say, oh, you're breaking new

708
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:41.880
dope because that happened when I was with him. I've

709
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:45.280
got pictures of freaking dig pots looking in my tent.

710
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:48.280
I've seen the two of them, yeah.

711
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:52.239
Yeah, and a friend, a funny looking green guy, you know,

712
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:56.840
and I've got more photo nobody has. Not too many

713
00:42:56.880 --> 00:43:00.239
people I've really seen more recent because the original the

714
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:03.599
ten thing was in twenty seventeen, but this was it

715
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:06.599
last year. Yeah. I got my new phone. It's you know,

716
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:11.880
the Android Ultra thirteen twenty four or whatever, super zoom,

717
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:14.519
night pain shot honed. It talks way too much. I'm

718
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:17.800
still ain't on it type of phone, and I was.

719
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:20.440
I took my parents out campy man been camping together

720
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:23.000
in years, and we went to an area where there

721
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:25.760
was reports, you know, the campers saying that somebody was

722
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:28.559
throwing rocks in their tanner, you know, the usual you know,

723
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:31.800
silliness and the big flis like new But I was like,

724
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:35.000
I'm not hunting, I swear, let's just have enjoyed ourselves.

725
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:41.360
And yeah, eventually started hearing a weird crap and I

726
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:43.719
was like, what now the good time to try out

727
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:46.400
this night you know night shot that it has, but

728
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:48.400
there's at night vision or nothing like that. It's just

729
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:52.119
it's a five second delay and I get it. Teaching

730
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:54.840
all the light possible if there's absolutely no light. It

731
00:43:54.840 --> 00:44:00.199
don't work. At least some kind of light source even

732
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:04.400
in a small, small camp fire in the count does amazing.

733
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:10.239
And I brightened them up, and sure enough I have

734
00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:15.719
it looks like a juvenile sasquash from a branch. You know,

735
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:18.159
do you remember those those red little monkeys in a

736
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:22.079
barrel that you hanging with each other? Ye doesn't that

737
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:25.320
that cloes exactly? Okay, hanging down that's a branch. And

738
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:29.800
then but this is the wildest night because I experienced

739
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:31.760
a whole bunch of different stuff, not your bigfoot stuff,

740
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:35.519
for years and years, and this was the first time though,

741
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:38.480
that I ever got in a picture what I believe

742
00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:41.920
is the werewolf, wolfman, dog man, whatever they want to

743
00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:46.880
call him. They're going the same night a wolf person,

744
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:54.280
dude with this mean a big foot with his eyes blowing,

745
00:44:55.000 --> 00:45:02.400
and on the right side of bigfoot a gray So like,

746
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:04.760
what's going on? You know what I mean? How can

747
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:08.000
I categorize that? You know? It's like I already had

748
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:12.199
in twenty seventeen showing two sasquatch with green gray whatever

749
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:14.239
you want to call a rectilian, red eyes, green skin.

750
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:18.719
I don't know, I don't know. And I've been blessing

751
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:22.760
because of my my movie career. In being a semi celebrity,

752
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:26.559
a lot of different researchers they want to meet, they

753
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:28.000
want to talk to me, they want to buy me out,

754
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.360
you know when they're hunting and stuff. And they opened

755
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:33.360
a bunch of doors to being involved with from serious

756
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:38.039
you know, you know, cool things of researchers and working

757
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:41.280
with Jim Goodaw and you know the Falcon Project before

758
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:46.559
it tell apart, you know project, you know, yeah, you know,

759
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:51.000
I work with Jeff Meldrum, working in other anthropologists. How

760
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:56.239
do anthropologists, you know, heads of different universities coming to

761
00:45:56.360 --> 00:46:00.719
me asking me questions about it and say, that's wild.

762
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:04.239
That's pretty wild stuff, you know. And I've seen him myself.

763
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:08.840
I know it's real, videotaped, great footage, you know, nothing amazing,

764
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:11.599
But it was this asquatch. I was an the one

765
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:14.519
that saw it. We're driving home, you know, on the reservation,

766
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:17.039
no aut reservation. The couple that I was giving a

767
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:19.880
right to Walmart to get some food. The wife she's

768
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:22.480
we're talking, we're talking about bigfoot, and she's like, hey,

769
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:24.599
look there's one right there. And I was like what.

770
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:28.000
We turned to the right, and sure enough there's a

771
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:31.920
big foot just walking down the irrigation show doll Over

772
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:35.679
jumped out and filmed it, you know. But yeah, there's

773
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:40.239
too much evidence that I've gotten and I'm albot anybody

774
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:43.400
scrutinizing my stuff. I don't mind telling the truth. I

775
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:46.159
don't care at all. I ain't worried and scared about nothing.

776
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:49.440
Already a public figure, people ask me no word about

777
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:51.880
it destroying my career, and I'm like, what what are

778
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:54.559
they going to destroy? But they're not gonna want me

779
00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:58.079
to play a drug dealer. They won't let me play

780
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:02.119
a murderer carrying bodies in the desert. Oh no, not

781
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:06.840
the scary guy. Come on whatever, man. The only reason

782
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:09.639
I got into Hollywood is because I had to pay bills.

783
00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:13.000
I found out I had a daughter, and I was like,

784
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:14.400
I need to do something that's gonna make me money.

785
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:16.119
I don't have the money to go to twelve years

786
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:19.719
of school for a lawyer or doctor, you know, I need.

787
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:21.199
I need to get into a bog look, and I

788
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:23.079
know I can make a good a good amount of

789
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:25.119
money to take care of my parents and the kids.

790
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:31.000
And yeah, that's how I got in that because I

791
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:34.960
knew I was so stereotyped by society because I'm a big,

792
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:36.800
giant Mexican, you know what I mean, ball, I had it,

793
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:40.159
got tattoos, my tear drives a whole, you know, gambit,

794
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:42.920
And yeah, I've been screwed with. I faced tons of

795
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.920
years in prison on false charges. Never been convicted of

796
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:49.360
the family once, but I faced them how many years.

797
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:52.760
I'm stupid crab because I matched such a script shit,

798
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:55.880
you know. And so I was like, well, man, Hollywood

799
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:58.079
should need it up. They only got normal sized Mexicans,

800
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:00.880
you know what I mean. I'm a giant one of

801
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:03.800
normal sized Mexicans. You know, six foot three is huge.

802
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:06.199
But yeah, so that's how you know. It wasn't my

803
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:08.159
dream to be an actor. I wasn't like, you know,

804
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:11.840
taking acting classes. Oh I wish, No I was. I was.

805
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:15.400
I went to my first call as an extra on

806
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:19.480
a Steven Sagam movie and I was the only giant

807
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:21.199
Mexican where he was supposed to be in East LA

808
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:23.960
beating up his Mexican gang. But they were normal size,

809
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:25.719
So I like kids beating up little kids. He's six

810
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:28.400
foot five, you know. And I was already a bodyguarded

811
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:31.880
professional fighter, law enforcement and all that stuff. And I

812
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:35.159
was like, yeah, dude, I'm down to fight him, you know.

813
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:38.039
And they're like, okay, come on, come meet him. And

814
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:40.800
we met. He tried me out, you know, for my

815
00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:45.559
acting skills, you know, just some improv and he liked it.

816
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:47.960
It was good enough for his movie. And he said,

817
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:49.880
I want you to meet me at my hotel tonight

818
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.800
so we can fight. They wouldn't just see what I

819
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:56.960
could do. So I was like, hell, yeah, I don't care, nay.

820
00:48:56.960 --> 00:48:58.679
But he says about semysical all things. Oh, he's a

821
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:02.679
fake co martial artists. No, he's a sixty five giant

822
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:06.320
that is very strong. Don't care how chubby he is

823
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:11.480
or not. But he is the only Caucasian man ever

824
00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:15.920
given a permission by the to the in Japan to

825
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:23.840
chicha kido as a master fake martial arts. Can't do that,

826
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:26.920
you know what I mean. Well, yeah, so that's how

827
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:28.800
I got into Hollywood. Like that. I became just a

828
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:33.239
bad guy to fight and get shot and carry people. Yeah,

829
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:35.480
so I don't I'm not concerned about that because this

830
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:37.400
is all the big for stuff, the UNIFO stuff that

831
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:41.639
got stuff, all the weird stuff that I experience and

832
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:45.480
you know, share with everybody that was happening before any

833
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:47.159
job I had exactly.

834
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:51.639
Oh, it's you know, such an interesting path that you've

835
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:53.760
gone down. It's really cool. There's a few things I

836
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:56.840
want to circle back around real quick to make sure

837
00:49:56.880 --> 00:50:01.440
that they don't disappear. So that picture that you took

838
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:04.119
just last year, where it is like the bigfoot, the

839
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:07.679
alien and the dog man type creature, is that it

840
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:10.920
sounds like that's just that's not a public thing at all.

841
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:13.760
Not Unfortunately, I haven't cut up a video yet. Are

842
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:15.639
you able to receive a pictures while wearing the phone

843
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:15.840
or no?

844
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:20.320
I mean you can my email. I have an email

845
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:22.800
you could send it to. Yeah, it's big for Society

846
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:23.639
at gmail dot com.

847
00:50:26.679 --> 00:50:28.719
Yeah, I'll send you those pictures and you can tip

848
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:29.239
bottom up.

849
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:31.519
All right, cool, you know that's good.

850
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:35.199
I'll show everybody because I do enhance images. I'll tell them,

851
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:37.960
but I will let every you know exactly what free

852
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:41.239
app I'm using on my phone right the process in

853
00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:44.840
the original picture. I am happy to show them all that.

854
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:47.159
So I and all my videos on my channel on

855
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:50.239
my YouTube channel, I do that because I don't want

856
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:53.480
people doing here look at it. It's obviously been missed

857
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:56.280
with it. It's like, yes, it is. It has been brightened,

858
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:59.639
it has been sharpened. I have at a slight contrast

859
00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:02.960
I have, you know, just to the ambience, so you

860
00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:07.760
guys can see better. I know it's there, but not

861
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:10.880
everybody you can see what I'm seeing right now, So

862
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:13.079
I need to bring it out a little bit better

863
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:15.719
so you can see because like like I'll send you

864
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:19.239
some of the like the original shots before brightening and stuff,

865
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:22.199
like with the two bigfoots in my hand, no looking

866
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.800
in the tent. Some people haven't seen. I don't just

867
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:28.239
have those couple of pictures of them looking in the tent.

868
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:32.000
I've got to where they were freaking out. The guy

869
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:33.559
that I was with, he was about to, you know,

870
00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:37.039
like on the verge of the official panic attack. I

871
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:40.920
shine the flashlight in their face and you can see

872
00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:46.760
one of the sasquats grimace in the picture. That's right,

873
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:48.920
you know what I mean? If it was a mask,

874
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:52.559
how the hell did it do that? How can you grim?

875
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:54.679
You know what I mean? And then like you've heard

876
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:58.760
a thinker thunker, He's great, okay, it's a good friend

877
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:04.760
of mine. Little losses yeah, and I think he's gotten

878
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:10.719
too concerned with people what they say. He's always trying

879
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:15.480
to prove to them, and like the legs videos, they're

880
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:20.199
like more about that than just the research anymore. I

881
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:23.360
hope he works that out and stops keeping the crap

882
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:26.559
what people say, just what he does, because I love

883
00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:30.039
I love what he does, you know. But he came

884
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:34.760
out with a way to measure the faces a sasquatch

885
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:37.800
and their arms and legs is mainly you know, started

886
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:41.360
with but yeah, when you measure the face of the

887
00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:48.400
majority of actual possible sasquatch images, they're they're not human proportions,

888
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:52.719
you know, for normally, unless of course, there's you know,

889
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:55.519
they're born with, you know, mild formed like if you

890
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:58.360
get your finger right now, you put it under your nose,

891
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:01.360
the top of this touch your nose, in the bottom

892
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:04.559
of your finger should touch your upper lip or at

893
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:09.440
least quotes sasquatch, not all of them, but I'll say

894
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:13.280
the majority from what we're seeing, you put you hit

895
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:16.920
two fingers, not one, but two natural their mouth begins

896
00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:21.440
under that part. When he came out with that, it

897
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:25.079
was after my incident in twenty seventeen with those images.

898
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:29.320
I used his in anything he does for the face measurements,

899
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:33.360
be fit be fit. Wow, How would I know in

900
00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:35.960
advance that he was going to invent that thing by

901
00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:39.760
scrutinizing all these different images and videos? How would I

902
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:43.400
know that three years earlier? You know what I mean?

903
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:46.960
Exactly? I can't wait too to see those What was

904
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:48.719
it that you did with Jane Goodall?

905
00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:53.719
Well, she was on the Talking Project, Oh right, yeah,

906
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:56.800
and she and she was going to be part of

907
00:53:56.840 --> 00:53:57.960
the Gino project too.

908
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:01.599
Can you explaining real quick with the A lot of

909
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:03.599
people are not going to know what the Falcon Project is,

910
00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:04.119
I think.

911
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:09.119
Okay, So once upon a time, a long long time ago, right,

912
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:14.400
there was a guy named William Barnes. He was always

913
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:16.519
cool to me. I'm sorry everything went crappy with it,

914
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:19.760
you know, with the situation, because he meant well, got

915
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:23.079
dealt the hard hand. But the Falcon project was a

916
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:27.320
they're going to send up an airship drone, but not

917
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:29.639
the typical journal just you know, the propellers. But it

918
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:32.119
was going to look like actual blank panda, and they

919
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:34.519
were going to send it up way high and it'd

920
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:38.559
have all the different abilities of you know, lighterer and

921
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:41.159
I don't know about lighter, but you know, night vision,

922
00:54:41.639 --> 00:54:44.840
sheet sensing, you know, all that fun stuff, and they

923
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:48.920
were going to send it over areas so Bigfley wouldn't

924
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:51.440
know that they were passing by watching what's down there.

925
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:57.239
And they had multiple individuals that were going to be

926
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:00.239
on the ground. I was one of those individuals that

927
00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:04.199
was going to be there for six months in the forest. Yeah,

928
00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:08.000
living there and doing all the research with you know,

929
00:55:08.079 --> 00:55:11.639
several other people that have been chosen. And then you

930
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:15.840
had the the anthropologists that we're going to be. We'd

931
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:18.400
report to all our information and what we're getting, you know,

932
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:22.039
the evidences of But unfortunately, it holds all the funding

933
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:27.679
and people showed up to the to the locations and

934
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:30.519
there was no one there because nobody had told them

935
00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:34.119
that that had happened. Unfortunately, and luckily somebody reached out

936
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:37.119
to me before I headed out and said, hey, dude,

937
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:41.199
don't come, it's not happenying it pulled the plug, you know.

938
00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:44.320
But it was a really huge thing that was going on.

939
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:46.920
It was there was lots of excitement for it. I

940
00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:49.679
was excited for it. I was looking forward to just

941
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:53.280
being stuck in the forest for six months. Just you know,

942
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:56.800
I love that kind of stuff, you know, But yeah,

943
00:55:56.920 --> 00:56:01.480
so it tell apart. And then they came the Genome project.

944
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:05.760
There was one hundred she study. We're working with Oxford

945
00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:10.320
University on the DNA the sasquatch, and there was one

946
00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:15.440
hundred samples given. And then everybody started attacking Umble Kitchen

947
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:22.159
because she's sorry telling other stuff beyond the herr her

948
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:26.440
work as a DNA expert. And people once again are

949
00:56:26.679 --> 00:56:31.760
judging people on their personality or they don't like them,

950
00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:35.800
not on their actual physical evidence or you know, bigger

951
00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:37.039
evidence that they put forth.

952
00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:41.519
There is a lot of jealousy in the field as well.

953
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:46.119
Oh yeah that I've seen that in the last five

954
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:51.320
years destroy relationships that should have lasted for decades.

955
00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:52.159
Yeah.

956
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:55.079
That's that's all I'll say about that. But it's it's

957
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:58.199
it can be. Yeah, just guys, don't don't get.

958
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:03.679
From every every It's we can in film at regular jobs,

959
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:06.880
you know, changes in that where you are Humans are

960
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:10.880
just oh they can be so stupid sometimes, you know

961
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:14.480
what I mean. It's just it's the same everywhere. It

962
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:17.280
doesn't matter because I'm involved with so many different types

963
00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:20.119
of the paranormal and I've been, you know, an expert

964
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:25.280
for the UFO TV shows. I dealt with, you know, ichnology, ghosts.

965
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:29.119
I'm a pastor. I've done Clinton and how I deal

966
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:32.719
with my own issues with ghost systems. I've seen UFOs,

967
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:36.320
I have seen the little gray guys. I've seen so much.

968
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:40.880
It's just that the the bigfoot thing is what people

969
00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:44.119
find most interesting. I guess that I get requested to

970
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:47.639
talk about most sure, you know, and yeah, And that's

971
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:51.320
why I don't care. It's like, y'all can hate me

972
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.119
all you want. This is my normal life. I can't

973
00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:56.719
turn it off. I'm just sharing with you guys what

974
00:57:56.840 --> 00:58:00.320
what I'm experiencing with and what I believe is going on.

975
00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:05.559
I Am not here to prove anything to anybody. I'm

976
00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:09.599
just here to share what I'm finding out in the experience.

977
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:14.880
Have you done any research or any expeditions outside of

978
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:15.599
the Southwest.

979
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:26.000
I've done Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, California, Washington, Oregon, Oklahoma.

980
00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:32.000
I've got plans already set up for Florida and upstate

981
00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:35.559
New York. My research and I studied, I study every

982
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:40.239
continent in the United States of all possible sasquatch.

983
00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:42.960
Related where did you go to in Oklahoma?

984
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:59.320
The comententary reservation out there, Okay, the Anobia or Anobe

985
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:05.000
or no the yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so that that

986
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:08.119
kind of that area, you know what I mean? And yeah,

987
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:11.159
the big foots up there are mean, that's it's a trip, man,

988
00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:14.039
because like I said, there's so many different kinds you

989
00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:16.800
know that are out there. You heard the Three of

990
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:20.880
the tub Brothers. You know that whole Sasquats massacre war

991
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:25.280
between something natives in the cavalry in the big foods.

992
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:30.079
That's some wild stuff. You know, the whole Nabi incident.

993
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:33.559
That's a wild still. But like over here, you never

994
00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:36.800
hear the violent stuff. There's people that have gone missing,

995
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:40.000
I'm sure, but you never hear in this area of

996
00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:46.079
violent attacks or cannibalism. In Florida, it seems like they

997
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:52.679
have more of the more animalistic ape activity versus the

998
00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:56.719
much smaller too. But there is giant ones out there,

999
00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:59.280
but the ones that were mostly reported are you know,

1000
00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:01.840
six to seve to you that most you know, we

1001
01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:06.159
here the biggest one. We worked with jac Johnson. Again,

1002
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:11.039
I got pictures of that. It's like, at least I know,

1003
01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:14.440
this sound is ridiculous but the picture of the sasquatch

1004
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:17.320
that I'm talking about is between twenty and twenty five

1005
01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:17.840
feet tall.

1006
01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:22.679
Wow, I mean I've heard of them that that big

1007
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:26.639
as a gentleman two gentlemen up in Oregon. Well, I

1008
01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:28.960
don't know that was track size. I'm sorry. Twenty three

1009
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:30.039
and track size.

1010
01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:36.000
That what you like? Yeah, like Alaska, Canada up there,

1011
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:39.119
that's where you hear about the big ones. But here

1012
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:41.599
in New Mexico that's unheard of. The only reason why

1013
01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:43.920
I say it's that big is because the picture that

1014
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:47.559
we have of the sasquatch, it's sitting on its butt. Okay,

1015
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:50.159
it's sitting on the ground, and its legs are kind

1016
01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:54.599
of cross sort of, and it's sitting in the area

1017
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:58.280
where these they're called the juniper trees, you know, the

1018
01:00:58.639 --> 01:01:03.440
evergreen type juniper trees. The tallest ones grow to about

1019
01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:07.840
twelve feet. The average is between ten and eleven feet

1020
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:10.840
of these trees. And it's like if you ever approach

1021
01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:14.639
a mountain or a forest between the flatlands and the

1022
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:19.920
main forest, you usually have halfway sized trees, not to

1023
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:21.840
get an actual force to get the big boys. Right.

1024
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:25.840
So that's the same situation here. So these trees that

1025
01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:32.280
it's sitting next to. Okay, fully grown trees. I'm looked

1026
01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:36.000
through its chest, the lower part of its chest, and

1027
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:40.119
it's sitting down. I know that these are the trees

1028
01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:42.719
in the side of the tree because my mom wash

1029
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:44.800
to the forest apartment and I went there and showed

1030
01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:46.960
them the picture. I was like, don't worry about whatever

1031
01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:51.400
that is, but what kind of trees are those? Where

1032
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:55.199
is it at? I was like Madrid area. You're like, well,

1033
01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:57.280
those are guliber trees. You're like, well, how big do

1034
01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:00.000
they grow? They're like, what is that I look at about?

1035
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:02.599
I'm just worry asking about the trees. You know.

1036
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:07.519
It's funny. Yeah, when you're in Oklahoma in Honab, did

1037
01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:09.599
you have any interesting things happen out there?

1038
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:21.360
Honestly I didn't. Just stories people are saying, you know, Okay, yeah,

1039
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:24.000
so I had. I needed more time there, That's the thing.

1040
01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:26.119
I was only there for you know, a weeks maybe,

1041
01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:29.000
and to get you know, I didn't. I was doing

1042
01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:32.039
more because you know, you sart bottle of the reservations

1043
01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:35.280
and you know, doing ow wow and spending time with

1044
01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:38.400
family and stuff. So I was there. I wasn't there

1045
01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:40.639
for Bigfoot I was there to spend time with the

1046
01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:45.800
command Ches and I drum and singing with them. So yeah,

1047
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:48.559
just it's like I said, it's just part of my life. Honestly.

1048
01:02:49.239 --> 01:02:53.840
Now it's so strange. I want to there's this Bigfoot

1049
01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:57.199
quote unquote museum up here where I live that opened up,

1050
01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:01.400
and they did it for money. They didn't really know

1051
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:04.800
the big Foot there, you know what I mean. So

1052
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:06.679
they're already putting it for sell and I'm hoping to

1053
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:09.519
be able to buy it and do it right, you know,

1054
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:10.280
really cool.

1055
01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:15.800
Yeah, and the connections you have, you'd be able to

1056
01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:19.119
really set that up good, I mean, tell.

1057
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:21.519
So cool.

1058
01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:26.039
Cool. Jesus, this has been a really fun chat. Thank

1059
01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:28.679
you so much for coming on the show. As we

1060
01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:32.039
start to wind down, this is you know, a few

1061
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:35.840
few ending questions. Did you have any final thoughts or

1062
01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:38.840
or how people can keep up to date with with

1063
01:03:38.960 --> 01:03:40.840
all these different things you've got going on.

1064
01:03:43.079 --> 01:03:45.039
If you go on YouTube and you type in the

1065
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:49.000
search section, you can type in Breaking Discoveries. That's the

1066
01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:54.119
name of my channel, and Breaking Bigfoot is the series

1067
01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:57.159
on my channel. Because I do other things too, but

1068
01:03:57.239 --> 01:03:59.480
the majority of stuff is big for related But that's

1069
01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:02.079
Breaking big so you can pack in either one Breaking

1070
01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:05.480
Discoveries or Breaking Bigfoot. Then we'll see a picture of

1071
01:04:05.559 --> 01:04:08.559
a sasquatch with my face on it, and you'll see

1072
01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:11.400
the majority of everything I talked about tonight on on

1073
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:14.079
that channel. That's what i'd say, that'd be the most

1074
01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:18.360
direct source. I don't I have like ninety videos or something.

1075
01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:20.480
I only make a video when I have new evidence.

1076
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:22.239
If I don't have new evidence, and it takes a year,

1077
01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:24.000
you we'll see a video for a year.

1078
01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:24.559
You know.

1079
01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:27.199
I see a case it's so interesting. I got to

1080
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:31.039
do a breakdown myself. But yeah, Breaking Discoveries is the

1081
01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:34.679
YouTube channel the Breaking big Foot series. It's there. If

1082
01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:37.760
you want to hear the podcasts that I've done, not

1083
01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:39.840
all of them, but a lot of them, just go

1084
01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:43.639
to my playlists and you'll see the podcast interviews, some

1085
01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:47.239
other interviews for my movie stuff. There's another playlist called

1086
01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:51.280
the Promul three sixty that's more of my UFO videos

1087
01:04:51.320 --> 01:04:54.800
that I've filmed and stuff like that. But yeah, if

1088
01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:57.679
you just want to learn about me, go on Google

1089
01:04:57.800 --> 01:05:01.719
or whatever search engine you're using and type in Jesus

1090
01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:07.880
Ion Junior Actor or just Jesus junior actor, Breaking Dad's Gonzo.

1091
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:11.320
Any of those things will bring up the ridiculous amount

1092
01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:14.880
of stuff that I do, And yeah, it's it's that's me.

1093
01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:19.039
I'm here, I'm reachable. You can reach me on Facebook

1094
01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:22.840
just search my name Jess Jr. If you want to

1095
01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:26.079
write me an email, it's kind of a complicated email,

1096
01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:31.519
but it's Breaking Dad's Gonzo at gmail four twenty at

1097
01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:34.360
gmail dot com. So it's b R E A K

1098
01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:38.320
I N G B A D S g O n

1099
01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:41.719
z O four two zero at gmail dot com. If

1100
01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:46.360
you want to share your experience, images, video, hit me up.

1101
01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:49.960
I don't hate they need me to like enhance any

1102
01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:53.639
pictures or anything you think might be something interesting. I

1103
01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:57.480
don't charge. I'm happy to do it for free. I

1104
01:05:57.679 --> 01:05:59.679
just want to further the research and all that we're

1105
01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:01.159
doing in the strange and unknown.

1106
01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:05.239
That's fantastic. And I think probably because you have a

1107
01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:08.559
heart like that, that's why you have all the stuff

1108
01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:11.119
that happens to you, because you've got that pure heart.

1109
01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:15.760
That's just my personal opinion. But I've seen, you know,

1110
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:17.760
people that are in it for money, they're usually not

1111
01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:20.760
going to experience so much. So anyways, that's an.

1112
01:06:21.639 --> 01:06:23.639
I'm broken to joke. I got too for money and

1113
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:27.599
whatever else I can do for work. I worked my

1114
01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:30.119
ass off with my family and I am not riched

1115
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:34.159
by any means, and I haven't made any good money

1116
01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:39.440
off of the big foot world. Like no, no, I

1117
01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:41.519
just do it because I love it and I want

1118
01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:45.079
to get the truth out there if you can. You

1119
01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:46.199
know I love it.

1120
01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:48.800
Jesus, thank you so much for coming on. It has

1121
01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:50.840
been a pleasure chatting to you tonight.

1122
01:06:52.159 --> 01:06:54.039
Thank you for having me. A honored to be on

1123
01:06:54.159 --> 01:06:56.440
your show, brother, and let's do it again soon.

1124
01:06:56.840 --> 01:06:59.519
You've got the privilege of talking to Mary today. Mary's

1125
01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:02.199
an individu that reached out to me from the great

1126
01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:05.880
state of Oklahoma with some interesting things that she's experienced

1127
01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:07.760
over the years. So Mary, it's great to have you

1128
01:07:07.880 --> 01:07:08.760
on the show today.

1129
01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:10.719
Nice to be here.

1130
01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:15.079
Absolutely, we were talking a little bit beforehand, and it

1131
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:18.480
sounds like we'll definitely be getting into some interesting things.

1132
01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:21.599
Feel free to take us back to when all this

1133
01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:24.360
interesting stuff happened to you in your life.

1134
01:07:26.440 --> 01:07:32.559
I think the first time i'd actually experienced anything big

1135
01:07:32.599 --> 01:07:35.840
foot wise was when I was growing up on Grand

1136
01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:39.480
Lake and I lived with my grandmother and we would

1137
01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:42.440
pick cuckleberries stand the summertime, and we would be out

1138
01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:46.039
in the woods and we would hear strange knocks or

1139
01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:51.000
just strange noises that didn't sound like normal wildlife noises.

1140
01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:54.559
And anytime we would hear them, she'd be like, Okay,

1141
01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:57.679
we need to move to this area, or we need

1142
01:07:57.800 --> 01:08:01.239
to start thinking about moving back out. And I would

1143
01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:03.840
ask her one she'd be like, well, they don't like

1144
01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:06.320
us being around, and that was what she left it.

1145
01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:10.800
At night, you're young, you don't ask questions, but you

1146
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:14.880
learned to listen for the knox, and then at times

1147
01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:18.640
you would hear the whooping, and during certain times of

1148
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:21.000
the year there would be a lot of it, a

1149
01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:24.199
lot of activity of the whooping and knox late at night,

1150
01:08:25.079 --> 01:08:31.000
especially early summers, there was always seemed to would increase

1151
01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:33.880
and you could go out into the woods and you

1152
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:38.039
would see, you know, footprints sometimes, or you'd see tree

1153
01:08:38.079 --> 01:08:42.319
branches down where yesterday they have been just fine. You

1154
01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:48.119
would see where the undergrowth was kind of pushed. I

1155
01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:52.039
remember finding areas where the berries were just picked bare,

1156
01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:56.560
but over in another area they were fine, and just

1157
01:08:57.880 --> 01:08:59.800
there was all kinds of just I want to say,

1158
01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:04.279
at that time, I felt like its weird, but you

1159
01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:06.520
just got used to it, you know. You learned to

1160
01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:08.880
listen for the not she learned to listen for wolves.

1161
01:09:10.359 --> 01:09:13.439
If you heard any of that, you didn't, you know,

1162
01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:17.720
stay in that area. You moved. And while I was young,

1163
01:09:18.199 --> 01:09:21.159
the first time I actually saw one, my grandmother, myself

1164
01:09:21.199 --> 01:09:25.560
and her best friend, who was a debout Christian, never

1165
01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:28.119
said bad words, didn't do anything wrong. You know, I

1166
01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:29.800
didn't think she would be the type to believe in

1167
01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:33.399
a big foot. We were out on this one ridge.

1168
01:09:33.479 --> 01:09:35.880
It was really way back into the woods, i'd say

1169
01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:39.640
two to three miles, almost to the lake. And we

1170
01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:44.960
were standing there and we looked across the haller and

1171
01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:48.279
I saw something up in the cave a crossman holler

1172
01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:51.680
and the bluff, and she was standing there beside me

1173
01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:53.920
looking in that direction. I'm like, do you see what

1174
01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:55.640
I see? Because I wasn't going to tell her if

1175
01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:58.159
she wasn't going to say I wasn't seeing. I knew

1176
01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:00.479
what I was seeing was there was a big foot

1177
01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:04.479
standing there. And she goes, yeah, I think that's a bigfoot.

1178
01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:06.560
And I was like, it is a bigfoot and she goes,

1179
01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:08.399
it's looking at us I'm like, yoahn. She goes, we

1180
01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:12.600
might need to, you know, move out this area where

1181
01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:15.680
they can't see us, because it was just staring at us.

1182
01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:18.560
There was a bigger one, and then when we were

1183
01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:21.439
moving backwards, we glanced back and there was two others,

1184
01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:24.560
two smaller ones up in there. And we went to

1185
01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:27.920
go find my grandmother and bring her over to show her,

1186
01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:30.279
and they were gone. At that point, my grandmother goes,

1187
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:33.680
we need to leave. And as I got older, my

1188
01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:36.279
grandmother said that she had been taught when she was

1189
01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:40.199
little that you just if you hear them or see

1190
01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:44.479
something of them, leave, just go back to where you came.

1191
01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:47.239
They won't bother you as long as you're not messing

1192
01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:49.359
with them or in the area where they're at. You

1193
01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:53.359
would get you would get used to steeing like tree

1194
01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:56.399
limbs that are too high up for a person to

1195
01:10:56.479 --> 01:11:00.000
knock down or pull down. I would say pull because

1196
01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:01.800
it didn't really look like they were oct over. It

1197
01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:05.880
looked like they were deliberately broken along paths, and it

1198
01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:08.359
looked like they were a long game paths where you

1199
01:11:08.359 --> 01:11:10.159
would see the deers and stuff come through.

1200
01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:11.760
I know.

1201
01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:14.520
The one thing I did notice was there's a huge

1202
01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:18.760
spring down down on the Grand Lake. It's called the

1203
01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:24.239
Great Spring. The Indians used it because it was a

1204
01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:29.600
wonderful water source. The water there so pure and fresh tasting.

1205
01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:33.600
It's amazing. But you could always see where they were

1206
01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:36.640
around it. You could see the footprints of it, and

1207
01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:39.760
they would footprints would go back up the hills and

1208
01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:43.439
you could when you got down. There's just a different

1209
01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:46.720
feeling in that area. It's like you felt that they

1210
01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:48.800
were watching to see what you were going to do.

1211
01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:54.720
But I was never really scared of them because it

1212
01:11:54.880 --> 01:11:59.159
just wentn't something. It was just out, they're here, pay

1213
01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:06.920
attention for him. You know. They would get loud at night.

1214
01:12:07.439 --> 01:12:09.560
You know, you could hear them in the knocks and

1215
01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:13.319
the woofs really loud during the summertimes. Fallen winter wasn't

1216
01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:15.880
too bad, but summer was the main time we heard them.

1217
01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:23.239
And we'd see glimpses here there and yonder through the years.

1218
01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:27.000
You would just see like silhouettes of them.

1219
01:12:27.199 --> 01:12:31.840
The footprints that you saw over the years. How how

1220
01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:33.960
long would you estimate those footprints to be?

1221
01:12:35.479 --> 01:12:42.359
Goodness, definitely bigger, bigger than size thirteen. Okay, wow, some

1222
01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:45.760
smaller there. I had seen some through the years, it

1223
01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:50.359
was probably I would say about a woman's size four

1224
01:12:50.439 --> 01:12:54.079
or five, you know, like they were young, but the

1225
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:58.520
big ones were definitely over thirteen. Yeah, like at twelve

1226
01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:01.920
or thirteen. My kids boys were twelves, and they were

1227
01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:02.840
definitely bigger than that.

1228
01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:07.920
The area that we're talking about, this Grand Lake area,

1229
01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:09.239
Whatke County is that.

1230
01:13:10.239 --> 01:13:14.239
It's in Delaware County. Grand Lake its Cherokees is the

1231
01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:19.560
lake was actually built. They call it Grand Lake of

1232
01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:22.560
the Cherokees because it was actually built over the Cherokee

1233
01:13:22.720 --> 01:13:27.039
Indians where they burial mountains are or used to be.

1234
01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:30.239
They tried to get as many up and moved as

1235
01:13:30.279 --> 01:13:32.560
they could, but they did miss some and so they

1236
01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:35.119
just can't come refer to it as Grand Lake over

1237
01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:38.159
the Cherokees, and then they shortened it through the years

1238
01:13:38.199 --> 01:13:40.079
to Grand like the Cherokee. That's what I was told

1239
01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:42.159
by my grandmother who was actually there when the lake

1240
01:13:42.279 --> 01:13:46.560
was built. The original town is still under the water.

1241
01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:52.920
They just literally flooded it. Once they built out where

1242
01:13:52.960 --> 01:13:55.479
they wanted the lake to go, they flooded over it.

1243
01:13:57.079 --> 01:14:01.159
I'm assuming there's been a ton of big Foot sightings

1244
01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:03.159
beside yours in that area as well.

1245
01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:07.279
Yes, yes, my sister in law experienced them through the years.

1246
01:14:07.479 --> 01:14:11.279
My nephews have, my cousins. If you go out into

1247
01:14:11.319 --> 01:14:14.039
the woods hunting up there, you're gonna hear them if

1248
01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:17.079
you don't see them. Just last year, there was a

1249
01:14:17.159 --> 01:14:19.600
woman on Facebook. She's like, what in the world am

1250
01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:22.920
I hearing? She goes it sounds like weird Indian drums

1251
01:14:22.960 --> 01:14:25.840
and we're all like, okay, that's just the big foots knocking.

1252
01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:28.720
You know, I'll just leave it alone. They'll be fine.

1253
01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:32.640
You're not gonna die, It's okay. Because she was freaking

1254
01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:35.399
out about it, she thought something really strange is going on.

1255
01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:40.399
I think my grandmother said she first remember hearing about

1256
01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:43.880
them as early as when.

1257
01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:46.039
Some of her.

1258
01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:48.479
Ancestors had settled in the area and they come off

1259
01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:53.079
the trailott hears, and she said it was just, you know,

1260
01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:57.920
they've always been there. She felt like, I know. There's

1261
01:14:57.960 --> 01:15:00.920
one thing I noticed was weird to me was we

1262
01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:05.000
had actually seen one time one year we went out

1263
01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:09.159
and there was a cabin. It used to be an

1264
01:15:09.239 --> 01:15:16.520
old bootlegg cabin. Bootleggers would stay in it and did

1265
01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:19.600
their little moonshine stills and stuff in there. Anyway, I

1266
01:15:19.800 --> 01:15:22.640
was out there exploring one day and I thought, oh,

1267
01:15:22.720 --> 01:15:24.359
my going and see, you know what's in this thing.

1268
01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:29.039
I go inside and there's a big nest in the building.

1269
01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:33.279
Like they had actually discovered they could use the building

1270
01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:35.920
as protection from the elements, and they built a big

1271
01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:41.520
nest in there. And it stunk so bad. Oh my goodness,

1272
01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:44.760
did it stink. I remember coming out there thinking, oh,

1273
01:15:44.920 --> 01:15:48.399
that's where's I skunk. It was so bad because the

1274
01:15:48.520 --> 01:15:51.239
smell is just I don't even know how to describe it.

1275
01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:56.880
It's just awful. And even today where I live at now,

1276
01:15:57.039 --> 01:15:59.479
if I hear if I am out and I smell that,

1277
01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:02.520
I'm like, Okay, they're around here somewhere, because once you

1278
01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:03.960
smell it, you don't forget it.

1279
01:16:05.079 --> 01:16:08.039
What materials were was the nest made out.

1280
01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:14.359
Of brush leaves mainly. I think there was a little

1281
01:16:14.359 --> 01:16:18.560
bit of maybe pine stuff in it. That was mostly

1282
01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:24.600
brush and leaves. I would say about the size of

1283
01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:33.079
the love seats, and Diane in like with, yeah, yeah,

1284
01:16:33.359 --> 01:16:37.399
it was decent sized. It was a decent sized thing,

1285
01:16:38.600 --> 01:16:40.680
and I thought it was cool. But once I told

1286
01:16:40.720 --> 01:16:42.399
my grandmother, She's like, Nope, you're staying out there.

1287
01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:46.199
So this is a weird one. But did you get

1288
01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:49.800
close enough to see what specific type of brush was

1289
01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:50.800
used in the nest?

1290
01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:58.000
To me, it looked like young oak saplings, okay, brush

1291
01:16:58.359 --> 01:17:02.000
because up in that area is mainly the brush would

1292
01:17:02.039 --> 01:17:11.760
be oak or walnut about that material. That's mainly what's out.

1293
01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:15.800
There's oak and walnut trees, some elm, but not much.

1294
01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:19.239
But that's what looked like it was. And then, like

1295
01:17:19.319 --> 01:17:22.960
I said, the pine, there was pine needles and they

1296
01:17:23.039 --> 01:17:25.880
might have took some pine limbs off.

1297
01:17:28.079 --> 01:17:28.279
Wow.

1298
01:17:29.119 --> 01:17:34.319
So that that's very very interesting, especially the part where

1299
01:17:34.359 --> 01:17:35.239
it's inside.

1300
01:17:36.760 --> 01:17:39.039
See, that's what threw me was because before then I

1301
01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:41.920
had seen, you know, where you could tell where they

1302
01:17:41.960 --> 01:17:44.239
had not trees over to kind of make a protection.

1303
01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:47.960
And I know that they have been in the caves

1304
01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:52.960
from seeing the one the cave obviously, but also the

1305
01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:55.319
Great Spring has a cave behind it, and it was

1306
01:17:55.399 --> 01:17:58.319
common knowledge that something large lived in there, and you

1307
01:17:58.399 --> 01:18:04.199
didn't go in there, and so we're like, okay, what

1308
01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:07.800
would be in there that's large? And I asked one

1309
01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:09.399
of my cousins, I'm like, well, is it the panther?

1310
01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:13.119
And he goes, no, it's not the panther, Like oh, okay,

1311
01:18:13.960 --> 01:18:15.560
And I left at that because I knew what he

1312
01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:16.840
was talking about. It's not the panther.

1313
01:18:17.119 --> 01:18:20.560
The legend was that people would see a large creature

1314
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:22.560
then and in that area of the cave.

1315
01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:27.640
Yeah, yes, yep, they would hit in the cave. I think.

1316
01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:30.600
I don't know who, but there was a story that

1317
01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:33.960
I heard from my dad that some kids went down

1318
01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:36.800
in there and came hauling that out and never went back.

1319
01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:37.880
Wow.

1320
01:18:38.600 --> 01:18:41.520
So I'm like, I didn't try it myself because I

1321
01:18:41.600 --> 01:18:44.399
can't swim, so I was not to get to the cave.

1322
01:18:44.520 --> 01:18:46.720
You have to go through the water and obviously I

1323
01:18:46.840 --> 01:18:48.439
wasn't going to do that if I can't swim, because

1324
01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:51.840
it's a very deep spring. Oh it's a natural spring.

1325
01:18:51.920 --> 01:18:54.960
Yes, so I get it now. So in order this

1326
01:18:55.159 --> 01:18:57.520
is a cave behind the waterfall, you had to swim

1327
01:18:57.920 --> 01:18:58.760
through the waterfall.

1328
01:18:58.840 --> 01:19:01.840
Oh no, there's no waterfall. Oh, there's no waterfall. It's

1329
01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:05.640
a big spring about the size oh goodness of a

1330
01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:10.119
thirty but thirty house. It's that big around. I mean,

1331
01:19:10.199 --> 01:19:14.039
it's a huge spring and it fed into Grand Lake

1332
01:19:14.640 --> 01:19:16.640
and behind it was the cave, and you'd have to

1333
01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:19.159
go through the spring to get up into the cave.

1334
01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:27.880
Okay, that's that's wild. When you had the sighting, were

1335
01:19:27.960 --> 01:19:30.119
you close enough that you were able to notice any

1336
01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:32.119
details about what you saw.

1337
01:19:32.239 --> 01:19:36.039
Or I could just tell that one of them was tall,

1338
01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:40.079
you know, very tall, and then two smaller ones. I

1339
01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:43.640
could tell that they did have the long hair. It

1340
01:19:43.720 --> 01:19:48.000
looked like reddish brown to me. But I was a

1341
01:19:48.319 --> 01:19:51.039
holler away from them. I couldn't tell close up features,

1342
01:19:51.319 --> 01:19:54.119
but you could tell what they were because it was daytime.

1343
01:19:55.119 --> 01:20:02.399
It was like maybe about six It got out there

1344
01:20:02.439 --> 01:20:07.760
about seven thirty. It was probably it was mid mornings.

1345
01:20:07.840 --> 01:20:10.119
It's probably about ten or eleven when we saw them,

1346
01:20:11.159 --> 01:20:13.960
because I remember after that she's like, we're coming home

1347
01:20:14.079 --> 01:20:19.600
and it's a long walk back out and it's on

1348
01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:20.840
an old wagon trail.

1349
01:20:26.760 --> 01:20:28.920
Have there ever been any reports in that area of

1350
01:20:29.399 --> 01:20:30.479
aggressive encounters.

1351
01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:38.039
I've heard of some, but I don't know if it

1352
01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:44.039
was actual. I don't think they were physical, but they

1353
01:20:44.079 --> 01:20:44.680
were scary.

1354
01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:45.840
I know.

1355
01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:48.159
I've heard of hunters coming out just scared to death

1356
01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:50.560
of something they've heard or seen in there, but they

1357
01:20:50.600 --> 01:20:54.520
won't talk about it. We've noticed dogs, the hunting dogs

1358
01:20:54.960 --> 01:21:01.399
would come hauling out for no apparent reason. You can

1359
01:21:01.600 --> 01:21:04.800
tell when there's they're around two. Because you don't hear

1360
01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:08.640
as much wildlife. It's like the wildlife stays more quiet.

1361
01:21:12.760 --> 01:21:19.319
Does anyone ever poor any like weird communication or hearing

1362
01:21:19.359 --> 01:21:23.800
any like language type stuff or anything I've gotten in

1363
01:21:23.800 --> 01:21:24.039
the area.

1364
01:21:26.119 --> 01:21:30.960
I hadn't heard anything. I don't know if anyone else

1365
01:21:31.079 --> 01:21:34.560
has on that. They've never really said. I know most

1366
01:21:34.600 --> 01:21:38.520
of what we heard was always just the whoops and

1367
01:21:38.560 --> 01:21:42.520
the knocks. Now, when you could hear some knocks, you'd

1368
01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:46.680
hear like a series of knocks followed by whoops, and

1369
01:21:46.760 --> 01:21:49.159
then they'd knock again, and you could tell they're becoming

1370
01:21:49.199 --> 01:21:55.359
from different areas. You know, you could tell if you

1371
01:21:55.479 --> 01:21:57.720
stand out there and listen, you could tell like if

1372
01:21:57.760 --> 01:21:59.840
once to the right of you and then there from

1373
01:22:00.159 --> 01:22:01.720
left they would respond.

1374
01:22:02.359 --> 01:22:06.039
Okay, So you had situations where you were having multiple

1375
01:22:06.680 --> 01:22:11.319
talking to or yes, something communicating through knock patterns all

1376
01:22:11.359 --> 01:22:11.800
around you.

1377
01:22:13.239 --> 01:22:18.640
Yes, yes, yeah, that's common, especially in the early evenings.

1378
01:22:19.479 --> 01:22:22.279
I was always out in the woods. They're definitely up there.

1379
01:22:23.000 --> 01:22:27.760
They travel through this area regularly. I know today they

1380
01:22:27.840 --> 01:22:30.920
still have people here in them and seeing them and.

1381
01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:35.199
Just so listeners know what we're looking at here. So

1382
01:22:35.439 --> 01:22:38.560
we're in the northeast corner of Oklahoma here, which is

1383
01:22:39.039 --> 01:22:40.560
over by the Ozarks, right.

1384
01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:44.840
Yeah, there's areas where it's very heavily wooded, not a

1385
01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:50.319
lot of people. There's cave you know, caves that go

1386
01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:55.439
distances in there. I know it's closed up now, but

1387
01:22:55.520 --> 01:22:59.159
they're used to be a cave that did run from

1388
01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:05.000
what is now Grove and come out on the south

1389
01:23:05.079 --> 01:23:07.560
side of Grove up on a hill and you can

1390
01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:09.640
actually when the water goes down you can see the

1391
01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:10.640
one cave entrance.

1392
01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:11.399
Wow.

1393
01:23:11.560 --> 01:23:14.039
But the other side is now under a parking lot.

1394
01:23:15.319 --> 01:23:19.399
So I know the caves run through, and that could

1395
01:23:19.479 --> 01:23:21.399
be one way where they're getting from one area to

1396
01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:24.560
the other is through the caves. And I know there's

1397
01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:26.960
caves in there people have not been in because they're

1398
01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:32.039
up on hillsides or they're just too far to get

1399
01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:33.720
to very easily.

1400
01:23:35.359 --> 01:23:37.560
There's a question I want to ask you, mainly for

1401
01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:42.039
just my own curiosity because of the geography of the area,

1402
01:23:42.159 --> 01:23:45.039
that this is a factor I'd seen come up in

1403
01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:49.479
different areas that are like yours. Are there also reports

1404
01:23:49.720 --> 01:23:55.319
of other things besides Bigfoot that would also be considered

1405
01:23:55.680 --> 01:23:57.520
similar creatures in that scenaria.

1406
01:23:58.880 --> 01:23:59.720
There's ski laes.

1407
01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:00.960
What's that.

1408
01:24:02.439 --> 01:24:06.319
Ascily is like a little they call them little people. Okay,

1409
01:24:07.039 --> 01:24:10.960
but there's little creatures. You'll hear them, see them occasionally.

1410
01:24:12.439 --> 01:24:17.000
There is definitely a lot of paranormal activity, ghost lies,

1411
01:24:18.239 --> 01:24:20.479
that's just something else you get used to seeing and hearing.

1412
01:24:22.359 --> 01:24:29.640
That's just part of it. There's panthers up in there,

1413
01:24:29.720 --> 01:24:41.520
there's black panthers, there's haven't I personally haven't seen any

1414
01:24:42.600 --> 01:24:44.760
aliens up in there, but you know, I've heard a

1415
01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:46.600
couple of people say, swhear they've seen them.

1416
01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:48.399
I do know.

1417
01:24:48.520 --> 01:24:55.039
You know, you see weird bites occasionally. That just something

1418
01:24:55.079 --> 01:24:55.920
that's unexplained.

1419
01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:00.159
Those are all things that I was not expecting to

1420
01:25:00.680 --> 01:25:02.920
just come up. That's that's pretty intense.

1421
01:25:03.640 --> 01:25:05.680
I grew up, I grew up around there, so I'm

1422
01:25:05.720 --> 01:25:08.000
used to it, you know, I'm used to. I live

1423
01:25:08.039 --> 01:25:09.279
in a haunted house, I'm used to.

1424
01:25:09.560 --> 01:25:11.840
Okay, what was it like growing up in an area

1425
01:25:11.880 --> 01:25:17.279
where there's everything from little people to ghosts, to black panthers, aliens, bigfoot?

1426
01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:20.439
For me, it was normal. Okay, for me, it was

1427
01:25:20.479 --> 01:25:24.600
absolutely normal because I was just raised up that it's

1428
01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:27.079
part of what's up there. You know, it's just around.

1429
01:25:27.159 --> 01:25:30.760
You accept it, and they won't mess with you if

1430
01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:35.119
you don't mess with them, you know, if you don't

1431
01:25:35.159 --> 01:25:37.399
show no aggression towards them, or you know, and you

1432
01:25:37.680 --> 01:25:42.760
knowledge they're there, then you're fine. Yeah, that's just why

1433
01:25:42.800 --> 01:25:45.600
my grandmother taught me. And so I've never I've always

1434
01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:47.840
had the acceptance of it. So it's not like I

1435
01:25:47.920 --> 01:25:50.840
moved in I'm like, oh, no, what am I dealing with.

1436
01:25:51.039 --> 01:25:53.640
I always knew what I was dealing with, and so

1437
01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:56.560
it never bothered me. I mean, I ran free all

1438
01:25:56.640 --> 01:25:59.439
over those woods, and I was a kid grown up

1439
01:25:59.479 --> 01:26:03.079
in the eighties and I was all over the place

1440
01:26:03.199 --> 01:26:04.920
up in there. Never phase me a bit to be

1441
01:26:04.960 --> 01:26:06.680
out in the middle of nowhere by myself with them.

1442
01:26:06.760 --> 01:26:11.239
Even today, you know, you just you accept it and deal.

1443
01:26:11.079 --> 01:26:11.680
With it and go on.

1444
01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:17.000
Did you ever have any interactions with the Skeees that.

1445
01:26:17.079 --> 01:26:17.399
You know of?

1446
01:26:18.920 --> 01:26:22.399
No? No, Thankfully they chose to leave me alone because

1447
01:26:22.399 --> 01:26:25.560
they're achievous little things. But my cousins have told stories

1448
01:26:25.560 --> 01:26:27.840
about them, you know, stealing their stuff and putting it

1449
01:26:27.880 --> 01:26:33.279
in different spots or terrorizing them. But thankfully they chose

1450
01:26:33.319 --> 01:26:35.479
to leave me alone. I think it's just because I'm like,

1451
01:26:35.560 --> 01:26:36.880
you know whatever, right, is.

1452
01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:38.119
This another name for the fay?

1453
01:26:38.399 --> 01:26:38.840
Do you think?

1454
01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:39.920
Have you ever heard that term?

1455
01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:42.880
I think so. I believe so. I believe so because

1456
01:26:42.920 --> 01:26:46.079
skeely is an Indian term from what I've understood, and

1457
01:26:46.199 --> 01:26:49.720
so it very well could be. To me that it

1458
01:26:49.840 --> 01:26:50.720
makes perfect sense.

1459
01:26:51.119 --> 01:26:57.840
Okay, So you mentioned you have you've lived with in

1460
01:26:57.960 --> 01:27:01.880
a haunted house, which is I'm sure you have all

1461
01:27:01.960 --> 01:27:04.279
sorts of weird stories to do with that.

1462
01:27:05.119 --> 01:27:10.279
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got well, I've lived

1463
01:27:10.319 --> 01:27:12.720
in hont house grown up through the years, we've lived

1464
01:27:12.760 --> 01:27:14.560
them on the one ware and Nail is currently haunted,

1465
01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:21.039
so yeah, it's done. While I was growing up with

1466
01:27:21.319 --> 01:27:26.720
the where we lived at was on the old wagon trail,

1467
01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:30.520
it was on the actual settlers trail. My family farm

1468
01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:34.119
was one of the first farms actually put as a

1469
01:27:34.239 --> 01:27:41.079
farm when Indians got land, and there was numerous areas

1470
01:27:41.119 --> 01:27:43.399
where you could have cold spots or you'd see just

1471
01:27:43.520 --> 01:27:48.680
a white figure. There was an old cabin that was

1472
01:27:49.880 --> 01:27:56.439
it had to have had something to do with cowboys

1473
01:27:56.520 --> 01:28:00.279
or something, because when it's rainy nights and thunder storm

1474
01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:03.079
and if you stand outside where the cabin used to be,

1475
01:28:03.840 --> 01:28:08.520
you can hear the bottles clanking, and you can hear

1476
01:28:08.560 --> 01:28:11.159
it sounds like they're playing cards. And you can't hear

1477
01:28:11.239 --> 01:28:14.800
what they're saying, but you hear the chatter the little mummers.

1478
01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:16.479
You can't make up what they're saying, but you can

1479
01:28:16.560 --> 01:28:20.199
hear them. And then also in that same area, and

1480
01:28:20.359 --> 01:28:22.119
this is also, you know, this is all in the

1481
01:28:22.159 --> 01:28:25.199
same area where you've had the sightings and stuff, there's

1482
01:28:25.479 --> 01:28:29.359
an Indian. You'll see an Indian. He's got a headdress

1483
01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:37.039
on and he's tall, very solemn looking. But we call

1484
01:28:37.159 --> 01:28:39.560
him the Guardian because he'll watch you while you're out

1485
01:28:39.560 --> 01:28:41.640
in the woods and you'll see him ever so often,

1486
01:28:41.960 --> 01:28:43.800
and it's just like he's there making sure you get

1487
01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:47.039
in and out of the woods. Okay, he just said,

1488
01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:49.159
so watch just so. We just call him the Guardian.

1489
01:28:49.239 --> 01:28:51.000
That's what my cousins and I grew up calling him.

1490
01:28:51.479 --> 01:28:55.479
And you've seen that yourself personally, Yes, how tall would

1491
01:28:55.520 --> 01:28:55.840
you say?

1492
01:28:56.119 --> 01:28:56.479
That is?

1493
01:28:57.760 --> 01:29:03.159
About six foot? Yeah, five eight to six foot, very tall,

1494
01:29:03.399 --> 01:29:10.439
very solemn, weathered face. You know, even through even though

1495
01:29:10.479 --> 01:29:12.880
it was you know, obviously white, you could still see

1496
01:29:13.199 --> 01:29:15.960
the weathering. You could still tell he was very old.

1497
01:29:18.279 --> 01:29:21.039
When you say that there are reports of aliens in

1498
01:29:21.159 --> 01:29:24.399
this area. Are you saying more like UFO encounters or

1499
01:29:24.439 --> 01:29:26.479
there's actually like aliens being seen.

1500
01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:31.560
Well, the two guys I went to high school with

1501
01:29:31.760 --> 01:29:36.239
swear they saw Yova. They swear to goodness they saw Yova.

1502
01:29:36.319 --> 01:29:39.359
Whether they did or not, I don't know, but they

1503
01:29:39.399 --> 01:29:44.760
were definitely serious about it. And from where I grew

1504
01:29:44.840 --> 01:29:45.560
up it would.

1505
01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:45.760
Have been.

1506
01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:53.960
About halfway going into growth up been another really wooded area,

1507
01:29:55.520 --> 01:29:59.600
which that area itself is kind of crazy. It's got

1508
01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:04.880
weird activity. There's a cemetery up there that has the

1509
01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:10.359
grave of stan Waiti from the Cherokees, and it's said

1510
01:30:10.439 --> 01:30:13.199
that if you go to his grave at night and

1511
01:30:13.319 --> 01:30:17.439
you listen, you can hear a fiddle band play. I've

1512
01:30:17.479 --> 01:30:19.600
not got to hear it, but I've had friends that's

1513
01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:21.880
told me they've heard it, and there's just some very

1514
01:30:22.239 --> 01:30:24.239
weird stuff over in that area as well.

1515
01:30:24.479 --> 01:30:26.800
I can only imagine there's there's got to be. Are

1516
01:30:26.840 --> 01:30:33.760
there situations where these different players have been seen in

1517
01:30:33.880 --> 01:30:38.119
the same location, Like skily activity with aliens, do they

1518
01:30:38.159 --> 01:30:40.039
cross over or are they usually separate?

1519
01:30:41.520 --> 01:30:44.279
I don't know on that part, but I do know

1520
01:30:44.560 --> 01:30:46.359
that if you go out in the area where the

1521
01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:50.399
bigfoots route generally were at when I was younger, you

1522
01:30:50.439 --> 01:30:53.920
would definitely have some other activity, well, skila wise or

1523
01:30:54.039 --> 01:30:58.920
just other weird. I can't really describe it as anything

1524
01:30:58.960 --> 01:31:02.920
but weird, because you'd feel audensation that went from the

1525
01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:05.319
big Foot, but you couldn't quite place it at times.

1526
01:31:06.000 --> 01:31:08.920
The funny thing is when they just started talking about

1527
01:31:09.079 --> 01:31:12.399
whatever you just said, the phone did some really weird stuff,

1528
01:31:12.560 --> 01:31:15.039
like someone was trying to mess around with the phone.

1529
01:31:15.800 --> 01:31:18.079
Do you mind repeating that what they would do.

1530
01:31:20.279 --> 01:31:25.880
Like the skies, Well yeah, okay, Well from what my

1531
01:31:26.000 --> 01:31:29.079
cousin said, they'll either pull pranks on you, or they

1532
01:31:29.119 --> 01:31:32.520
will terrorize you, like pick on you like peck on

1533
01:31:32.560 --> 01:31:34.680
your shoulder but no one's there, or they take your

1534
01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:37.560
stuff and move it from one spot to another. Yeah,

1535
01:31:37.640 --> 01:31:40.680
especially if you were outside doing something outside, you'd have

1536
01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:42.800
a tool besides you. You turn around, look and it's gone,

1537
01:31:43.239 --> 01:31:46.920
and then it'd be way over in another spot. That

1538
01:31:47.039 --> 01:31:49.119
happened to my cousins a lot. I was very thankful

1539
01:31:49.159 --> 01:31:50.039
they left me alone.

1540
01:31:50.239 --> 01:31:52.960
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I'm sure that stuff like this that

1541
01:31:53.159 --> 01:31:55.720
was happening to your cousins out there that would probably

1542
01:31:55.800 --> 01:31:57.399
follow them home, I'm kissing.

1543
01:31:58.039 --> 01:32:02.199
Yes, yeah, yeah, sometimes I do know that. There was

1544
01:32:02.319 --> 01:32:06.279
one time where one summer there was a weird big

1545
01:32:06.399 --> 01:32:09.960
foot coming through. And I say weird because this one

1546
01:32:10.000 --> 01:32:15.880
would actually come up and like steering your windows and

1547
01:32:16.159 --> 01:32:20.680
rattle doors, and it terrorized my nephew's something awful and

1548
01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:23.279
entire summer, to the point where they would sleep in

1549
01:32:23.359 --> 01:32:26.439
the hallway with their bedroom doors shut, refusing to go

1550
01:32:26.520 --> 01:32:27.520
in the rooms after dark.

1551
01:32:30.159 --> 01:32:30.840
It was so bad.

1552
01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:32.920
And they lived just down the road from me. We

1553
01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:38.159
found hamprints that would have been in ninety four, Okay, yeah,

1554
01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:42.359
because I was pregnant with my first one, so yeah,

1555
01:32:42.600 --> 01:32:44.560
ninety four ninety five, somewhere right in that area.

1556
01:32:45.079 --> 01:32:45.399
Oh wow.

1557
01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:48.920
And you were saying the handprints were being found around

1558
01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:49.680
the houses as well.

1559
01:32:49.840 --> 01:32:52.760
Yes, on the yes, we could. We found handprints on

1560
01:32:52.800 --> 01:32:55.279
the window a couple of times. And then our neighbors.

1561
01:32:56.439 --> 01:33:01.039
The neighbor next to them, had been hearing weird stuff

1562
01:33:01.079 --> 01:33:03.960
at night, and her dogs were scared to go out.

1563
01:33:03.960 --> 01:33:06.560
They wouldn't even leave the yard and usually them things

1564
01:33:06.640 --> 01:33:10.800
ran all over hell in creation, cows would be clustered

1565
01:33:11.159 --> 01:33:16.479
more than normal. So it was definitely weird that year.

1566
01:33:16.520 --> 01:33:18.560
And that's why we just thought it was a weird one.

1567
01:33:18.840 --> 01:33:21.279
You know, he was more aggressive than others, but he

1568
01:33:21.399 --> 01:33:24.319
never actually, you know, hurt anyone, but he was sure

1569
01:33:24.439 --> 01:33:25.159
terrorizing people.

1570
01:33:27.039 --> 01:33:32.000
The one I wanted to ask you about specifically, were

1571
01:33:32.039 --> 01:33:34.520
there ever any reports of dog man in that area?

1572
01:33:38.720 --> 01:33:46.720
I don't remember any dog man, I do know. I

1573
01:33:47.119 --> 01:33:50.079
could never get her to describe it, but my daughter

1574
01:33:50.319 --> 01:33:57.279
was terrorized by what she called the shadow man, and

1575
01:33:58.039 --> 01:34:01.640
we spent and this was something and again that different

1576
01:34:01.720 --> 01:34:03.920
kids in the area once we got to asking around,

1577
01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:08.600
had experienced this thing just terrorizing them, and it was

1578
01:34:09.079 --> 01:34:10.880
it was scared them to the point they would not

1579
01:34:12.479 --> 01:34:15.439
leave their parents' side. I mean, we spent six months

1580
01:34:15.479 --> 01:34:19.600
with her right next to us, inside and out, because

1581
01:34:19.640 --> 01:34:23.159
she swore it could get her. But she would never

1582
01:34:23.319 --> 01:34:26.159
describe it to us, and none of the other kids

1583
01:34:26.199 --> 01:34:27.960
had seen it would describe it to us as well.

1584
01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:31.960
So we don't know for sure what that was. But

1585
01:34:32.159 --> 01:34:35.359
you could you could feel when you could feel when

1586
01:34:35.399 --> 01:34:38.920
it was around, because it felt it literally felt evil.

1587
01:34:40.199 --> 01:34:42.520
It felt like it was the worst thing, and you

1588
01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:47.640
would get really bad, like something bad's going to happen feelings.

1589
01:34:47.920 --> 01:34:48.800
That's why we thought of it.

1590
01:34:48.840 --> 01:34:51.840
As evil, so they wouldn't say what it was like.

1591
01:34:52.479 --> 01:34:55.479
They wouldn't give us a description. Okay, they wouldn't tell

1592
01:34:55.560 --> 01:34:56.039
us anything.

1593
01:34:56.520 --> 01:34:56.720
Wow.

1594
01:34:59.199 --> 01:35:02.159
Yeah, And the only time any of us ever saw

1595
01:35:02.199 --> 01:35:05.159
it was we caught a glimpse once my cousin and

1596
01:35:05.319 --> 01:35:08.560
I because we had raced home. A bunch of the

1597
01:35:08.600 --> 01:35:10.840
teenagers have been home alone and they had seen it

1598
01:35:10.920 --> 01:35:13.359
in a freak to called us. And we got there

1599
01:35:13.439 --> 01:35:19.119
and you could see something with red eyes. But that's

1600
01:35:19.159 --> 01:35:20.920
all we could tell was the red eyes. It was

1601
01:35:21.239 --> 01:35:22.159
total blackness.

1602
01:35:25.039 --> 01:35:28.119
Were the red eyes higher up or low to the

1603
01:35:28.159 --> 01:35:29.159
ground or no?

1604
01:35:29.800 --> 01:35:34.680
No, they were like maybe I would say maybe five

1605
01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:38.680
four five five, They weren't, you know, they wouldn't be

1606
01:35:40.359 --> 01:35:43.000
higher up. They wouldn't to me. It didn't look like

1607
01:35:43.079 --> 01:35:46.119
it would be a height for anything else. It was

1608
01:35:46.199 --> 01:35:48.720
definitely weird though. The eyes were definitely weird.

1609
01:35:50.479 --> 01:35:54.159
Wow, there's some some really strange things going on in

1610
01:35:54.279 --> 01:35:55.840
this Delaware County area.

1611
01:35:56.159 --> 01:36:00.560
Yes, Delaware County definitely has activity. Oh in this area

1612
01:36:00.600 --> 01:36:04.640
of Oklahoma really does. Mace County, where I'm at now,

1613
01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:09.680
is definitely weird and unusual stuff as well. I mean

1614
01:36:09.760 --> 01:36:11.800
there's been I've had a big foot sighting down here

1615
01:36:13.119 --> 01:36:15.880
that this was where my husband actually saw his first bigfoot.

1616
01:36:18.279 --> 01:36:24.600
There's a story of from back in the fifties that

1617
01:36:25.760 --> 01:36:28.600
the Army Corps of Engineers actually had a fight with

1618
01:36:28.760 --> 01:36:35.079
big foots before they built one of the dams down here. Really, yeah,

1619
01:36:37.079 --> 01:36:38.439
you'd have to give me a couple of days to

1620
01:36:38.520 --> 01:36:40.680
find my information on that, but I've got some information

1621
01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:46.279
on it that I have saved from what a friend

1622
01:36:46.359 --> 01:36:50.079
sent me about it. The story is is that they

1623
01:36:50.520 --> 01:36:53.119
told them forced them to move, and if they didn't

1624
01:36:53.439 --> 01:36:56.239
move then they were going to be killed, and they

1625
01:36:56.359 --> 01:36:59.800
flooded the area. And now that's Spavana Dam is.

1626
01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:02.239
Now you know, you've got all the time you need

1627
01:37:02.279 --> 01:37:05.439
because I've never heard of that one. That sounds really interesting.

1628
01:37:05.560 --> 01:37:08.560
Well, I'll definitely get I'll definitely get the information together

1629
01:37:08.640 --> 01:37:11.199
for you because that's one of those ones I'm like, ooh,

1630
01:37:11.359 --> 01:37:14.159
I want to, you know, dig into that myself. But

1631
01:37:15.119 --> 01:37:22.279
there's all kinds of activity. As I said, there's an

1632
01:37:22.319 --> 01:37:26.079
option over here on Highway for twelve and my husband

1633
01:37:26.119 --> 01:37:28.640
and I were there late one evening and all of

1634
01:37:28.680 --> 01:37:31.479
a sudden he comes running up to our vehicle and

1635
01:37:31.560 --> 01:37:33.079
he's like, get the kids loaded. Let's get out of here.

1636
01:37:33.119 --> 01:37:35.399
Let's get out of here. And I'm like, why, what's

1637
01:37:35.439 --> 01:37:37.680
going on? I noticed the cows were movment, but I

1638
01:37:37.800 --> 01:37:42.800
have been distracted with kids, so I didn't pay much attention. Well,

1639
01:37:43.039 --> 01:37:46.600
I glanced up when he said that, and he goes

1640
01:37:46.680 --> 01:37:50.680
about the time he's telling me, I'm seeing there's, you know,

1641
01:37:50.800 --> 01:37:54.600
familiar silhouette walking across the field. He goes, I just

1642
01:37:54.680 --> 01:37:59.479
saw something literally cross that creek in one step. I

1643
01:37:59.560 --> 01:38:01.479
was like, you may have stepped once into the Greek

1644
01:38:01.479 --> 01:38:03.520
and he goes, no, he goes, it stood on one

1645
01:38:03.560 --> 01:38:05.840
side and stepped across to together. We're getting out of here,

1646
01:38:07.479 --> 01:38:08.800
and I'm like, oh, you just saw a big but

1647
01:38:09.159 --> 01:38:12.000
that's not because that's right there and we had to

1648
01:38:12.119 --> 01:38:14.840
leave immediately. And up to that point he had never

1649
01:38:14.920 --> 01:38:17.600
believed in it, but after that he's like, Okay, yep,

1650
01:38:18.760 --> 01:38:20.840
I'm a believer. I'm a believer.

1651
01:38:21.319 --> 01:38:26.359
Oh yeah, definitely, that's the same county area as Delaware.

1652
01:38:26.720 --> 01:38:30.960
No, it's a it's a county over Okay. Yeah, it's

1653
01:38:31.119 --> 01:38:32.640
just they're connecting counties.

1654
01:38:33.000 --> 01:38:35.960
Very very interesting. If you don't mind me asking, do

1655
01:38:36.000 --> 01:38:37.800
you have any Native American heritage yourself?

1656
01:38:39.199 --> 01:38:41.079
Yes, I do I have cherokey dilare I'm pot of

1657
01:38:41.079 --> 01:38:41.680
autom Indian.

1658
01:38:41.880 --> 01:38:47.840
Okay, awesome. Wow, It's just I can almost you know,

1659
01:38:47.920 --> 01:38:50.159
when I when I do interviews like this, I can

1660
01:38:50.319 --> 01:38:56.560
almost bank on the person definitely has some some heritage.

1661
01:38:56.600 --> 01:38:59.640
I mean it's like every single time it's it's incredible.

1662
01:39:00.520 --> 01:39:02.760
I don't know quite what it is, but there's definitely

1663
01:39:02.920 --> 01:39:03.960
a connection there. I think.

1664
01:39:05.399 --> 01:39:10.279
I think it's because you know, with us having that background,

1665
01:39:10.359 --> 01:39:13.199
if you're raised up in it like I was, I

1666
01:39:13.399 --> 01:39:17.399
was taught the old ways and whatnot, that you're more

1667
01:39:17.439 --> 01:39:20.800
accepting of it and you're more open to it. Yeah,

1668
01:39:20.880 --> 01:39:22.439
so it doesn't bother you as much.

1669
01:39:24.119 --> 01:39:26.119
Oh, I agree. I think once you know what to

1670
01:39:26.199 --> 01:39:28.520
look for, you you're going to start to see stuff

1671
01:39:29.199 --> 01:39:29.640
for sure.

1672
01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:37.039
Oh yes, absolutely, absolutely. Yeah. And I tell my kids

1673
01:39:37.039 --> 01:39:38.479
when they're out in the woods, I'm like, okay, keep

1674
01:39:38.479 --> 01:39:39.840
an eye out. You know, if you hear this or

1675
01:39:39.920 --> 01:39:43.680
you spell this, you need to be watching and just

1676
01:39:43.800 --> 01:39:44.439
leave them alone.

1677
01:39:44.479 --> 01:39:46.800
The interview you kind of turn into something I wasn't expecting.

1678
01:39:46.840 --> 01:39:49.199
I mean, there's a lot more going on in this area,

1679
01:39:49.319 --> 01:39:51.720
so we got a little bit distracted. But I think

1680
01:39:51.760 --> 01:39:54.760
it is definitely worth having the conversation. Are there also

1681
01:39:55.000 --> 01:39:58.640
other times that you've had what you think are Bigfoot

1682
01:39:58.680 --> 01:40:00.000
interactions in your life?

1683
01:40:00.039 --> 01:40:05.720
Yes, we were. Let's see, we had what year would

1684
01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:14.199
have been around two thousand, two thousand, two thousand, two

1685
01:40:14.239 --> 01:40:16.680
thousand and one, somewhere right in that area. I can't

1686
01:40:16.680 --> 01:40:20.359
remember exactly how old my third child was at that time.

1687
01:40:20.479 --> 01:40:23.079
We lived up on Coffeeville. I actually lived in South

1688
01:40:23.119 --> 01:40:29.760
Coffeeville on the Illinois River on a ranch, and so

1689
01:40:29.920 --> 01:40:33.520
we would go through the hayfield through this really thick

1690
01:40:33.920 --> 01:40:36.680
area of trees to go down to a river which

1691
01:40:36.800 --> 01:40:39.000
was actually the Illinois River for the kids to swim

1692
01:40:39.079 --> 01:40:43.560
and whatnot, and you would feel like you're just they're

1693
01:40:43.680 --> 01:40:48.279
just there watching you. And a couple of times it

1694
01:40:48.399 --> 01:40:51.279
made my husband so uncomfortable. He actually said we're leaving

1695
01:40:51.399 --> 01:40:56.760
now because of how intense the feeling felt. But one

1696
01:40:57.079 --> 01:40:59.800
night we were out there, there was a very bad

1697
01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:02.640
I'm coming in. We had fifteen hundred bales hey on

1698
01:41:02.720 --> 01:41:07.079
the ground, and so I was helping my husband hauled

1699
01:41:07.439 --> 01:41:09.960
hey in and my son goes, Mom, what's over there

1700
01:41:09.960 --> 01:41:12.800
in the woods? And I look and you could see

1701
01:41:13.920 --> 01:41:19.119
the outline of the of the bigfoot and edged the woods.

1702
01:41:19.199 --> 01:41:21.720
They were in enough where you couldn't see all of them,

1703
01:41:21.760 --> 01:41:23.359
but you could tell they were there, and you could

1704
01:41:23.399 --> 01:41:28.399
see its eyes and they're just watching. And when you

1705
01:41:28.520 --> 01:41:31.399
get closer to that area, it would like step closer

1706
01:41:32.039 --> 01:41:34.079
to where you're gonna it's going to come out into

1707
01:41:34.119 --> 01:41:38.479
the headlights, but not quite. And so I made them

1708
01:41:38.479 --> 01:41:41.279
a couple of the rounds getting haybales. My son kept

1709
01:41:41.319 --> 01:41:44.399
getting uneasy, so I pulled over and my husband's like,

1710
01:41:44.600 --> 01:41:47.359
what's going on. I showed him and he goes, okay,

1711
01:41:47.479 --> 01:41:51.439
he goes, i'll do that area. You just you know,

1712
01:41:51.640 --> 01:41:54.760
stay up this way because we didn't want to, you know,

1713
01:41:54.880 --> 01:41:56.720
scare my son. He was like three at the time,

1714
01:41:57.760 --> 01:42:00.960
and I was back up the way and then pretty

1715
01:42:01.000 --> 01:42:03.680
soon he's coming over. He goes, don't forget it, and

1716
01:42:03.840 --> 01:42:06.119
I'm like why and he goes, well, I just got

1717
01:42:06.159 --> 01:42:08.560
a rock throat at me. I'm like, okay, they threw

1718
01:42:08.600 --> 01:42:10.399
a rock and he goes, no, I've got a rock

1719
01:42:10.479 --> 01:42:12.560
throat at me and he held it up and it

1720
01:42:12.680 --> 01:42:16.600
was a decent sized, little little boulder and it was

1721
01:42:16.680 --> 01:42:18.640
like they were warning him to stay have that area.

1722
01:42:18.840 --> 01:42:21.119
So he actually did not get the Hay in that area.

1723
01:42:21.640 --> 01:42:24.600
He left it and I was like, well, I guess

1724
01:42:24.640 --> 01:42:26.239
they just don't want you over there, and he goes,

1725
01:42:26.319 --> 01:42:28.760
I guess not. And we left it and went home,

1726
01:42:29.720 --> 01:42:31.840
and then we went back out the next day and

1727
01:42:32.039 --> 01:42:35.000
it all you could see because of how bad the

1728
01:42:35.079 --> 01:42:37.640
storm was, well, you could tell something had been standing there,

1729
01:42:37.680 --> 01:42:40.279
but you couldn't tell any real footprints or anything, but

1730
01:42:40.439 --> 01:42:43.800
you could tell where it was sunk in from something standing.

1731
01:42:45.680 --> 01:42:45.720
That.

1732
01:42:45.880 --> 01:42:47.880
That's the only time I'd ever had anything that was

1733
01:42:48.359 --> 01:42:50.520
It wasn't even toward me, it was towards him, and

1734
01:42:50.720 --> 01:42:52.960
I think that he might have just got too close

1735
01:42:53.000 --> 01:42:56.279
for their comfort, and so they chunked the rock at him.

1736
01:42:57.239 --> 01:42:58.760
I told him, I was like, well, I told you

1737
01:42:58.920 --> 01:43:02.680
there's bigfoot around here. Just gotta watch them. And yeah.

1738
01:43:03.079 --> 01:43:05.960
Was that before or after his sighting?

1739
01:43:07.399 --> 01:43:11.840
After after? If you're in South Coffeeville, you're about fifteen

1740
01:43:11.880 --> 01:43:14.039
minutes from the border because once you get into Coffee

1741
01:43:14.079 --> 01:43:15.880
Bills when you hit the border, and it takes about

1742
01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:19.439
ten to fifteen minutes to get up in there. But

1743
01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:23.760
there's also if you get into looking to sidings, there's

1744
01:43:23.840 --> 01:43:26.800
a lot of sidings up in that area because the

1745
01:43:26.880 --> 01:43:28.479
river is one of the best places for them to

1746
01:43:28.560 --> 01:43:30.760
catch the fish. The Illinois has got some of the

1747
01:43:30.840 --> 01:43:31.680
best fishing there is.

1748
01:43:32.119 --> 01:43:35.239
Okay, the Illinois Illinois River gotcha. So a lot of

1749
01:43:35.279 --> 01:43:40.600
sightings along that interesting. I will have to look into

1750
01:43:40.680 --> 01:43:43.920
that for sure. I don't hear a lot from I'm

1751
01:43:43.960 --> 01:43:46.119
sure there is, but I've never gotten a lot from

1752
01:43:46.159 --> 01:43:49.199
that area of Kansas or Well.

1753
01:43:49.399 --> 01:43:52.359
Most people don't talk about it. You're That's the other

1754
01:43:52.439 --> 01:43:54.399
thing is you're taught not to talk about because people

1755
01:43:54.479 --> 01:43:57.920
think you're crazy. Yeah, Like I was taught from an

1756
01:43:57.960 --> 01:43:59.880
early age, don't go to school talking about any of

1757
01:43:59.880 --> 01:44:02.880
the because people are going to think you're crazy. You know,

1758
01:44:03.039 --> 01:44:05.439
something weird happens, just pass it off. Don't go, oh,

1759
01:44:05.520 --> 01:44:09.279
well that's a ghost. Oh that was weird. You're taught

1760
01:44:09.560 --> 01:44:14.800
not to talk of it. So it's just something you're

1761
01:44:14.920 --> 01:44:17.439
used to. You go out looking for it me personally,

1762
01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:20.880
any chance I get, I'm gonna go hunt. I'm gonna

1763
01:44:20.880 --> 01:44:22.319
go look, see if I can bind me a ghost

1764
01:44:22.439 --> 01:44:24.680
or see if I can do something. But most people,

1765
01:44:25.239 --> 01:44:31.279
they're taught not to acknowledge it. Yeah, my husband was.

1766
01:44:32.479 --> 01:44:36.079
Growing up or over your lifetime, do you ever remember

1767
01:44:36.840 --> 01:44:39.800
anyone saying Hey, I've got a I got a photo

1768
01:44:39.880 --> 01:44:42.079
a big foot. I got a video from a big foot.

1769
01:44:42.079 --> 01:44:44.119
I mean they probably wouldn't have said anything anyways, to

1770
01:44:44.159 --> 01:44:45.479
be honest, that's what it sounds like.

1771
01:44:45.640 --> 01:44:48.439
Unfortunately, not I know, my cousin tried one summer.

1772
01:44:48.760 --> 01:44:49.079
He was.

1773
01:44:50.680 --> 01:44:52.800
Dead set on getting one, but he he even put

1774
01:44:52.840 --> 01:44:54.720
Troe cams up and everything, but all he got was

1775
01:44:54.760 --> 01:44:58.520
a bunch of blurr and a lot of your So

1776
01:44:58.680 --> 01:45:00.960
I was like, well, you know, you're just not on

1777
01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:01.880
the right spot.

1778
01:45:01.920 --> 01:45:02.239
I guess.

1779
01:45:02.319 --> 01:45:05.199
He goes, no, I'm I'm near that, I'm across from

1780
01:45:05.239 --> 01:45:07.000
that cave where you set. And I was like, well,

1781
01:45:07.319 --> 01:45:10.159
I don't know. I guess they don't like you. It

1782
01:45:10.279 --> 01:45:13.520
was just harassing, you know, because he was he was

1783
01:45:13.680 --> 01:45:15.640
very determined to get a picture, but he never could

1784
01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:18.159
because we had come back and I told him what

1785
01:45:18.239 --> 01:45:20.520
we'd seen and so he was like, I'm gonna go

1786
01:45:20.600 --> 01:45:24.520
ski if I can find it. But he was never

1787
01:45:24.600 --> 01:45:26.840
able to. I know he had some sightings for the years,

1788
01:45:26.880 --> 01:45:30.720
but photograph wise, unfortunately, never got to get one.

1789
01:45:31.880 --> 01:45:34.720
Gotcha. Now, growing up in that area, was there ever,

1790
01:45:35.039 --> 01:45:38.840
was there a person where everyone be like, oh you

1791
01:45:39.000 --> 01:45:41.640
saw bigfoot? Go talk to this guy. He's kinda the

1792
01:45:41.760 --> 01:45:43.399
guy who's into and around here.

1793
01:45:43.560 --> 01:45:49.520
No, no, it was all you kept quiet about it, gotcha, okay, Yeah,

1794
01:45:49.560 --> 01:45:51.920
but it was old timers up in that area, and

1795
01:45:52.000 --> 01:45:54.439
it was people that had grew had grown up in

1796
01:45:54.520 --> 01:45:55.000
that area.

1797
01:45:55.199 --> 01:45:58.239
So it was just you know, it was common knowledge.

1798
01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:01.479
You know, it was common knowledge that they were there.

1799
01:46:04.560 --> 01:46:07.479
I have families still live up there. I know that

1800
01:46:07.600 --> 01:46:13.000
they still hear stuff, they still see stuff. I definitely

1801
01:46:13.119 --> 01:46:15.640
know down in the area where I grew up at

1802
01:46:15.840 --> 01:46:18.760
there is people having you know, hearing the knocks and

1803
01:46:18.840 --> 01:46:21.760
the woofs and stuff like that.

1804
01:46:22.119 --> 01:46:24.000
It's not an area a lot of people talk. I

1805
01:46:24.079 --> 01:46:26.800
think everyone's too distracted by Southeast Oklahoma.

1806
01:46:27.039 --> 01:46:31.000
You know, yes, yes, yes, And you know, if you

1807
01:46:31.119 --> 01:46:37.079
follow the river, the Illinois comes right up and then

1808
01:46:37.359 --> 01:46:40.119
the Grand is up here and the Grand River and

1809
01:46:40.239 --> 01:46:43.039
it all flows right up well, actually flows down from

1810
01:46:43.079 --> 01:46:46.840
all of the lakes because Grand Lake, the Cherokees, flows

1811
01:46:46.920 --> 01:46:54.680
down into Lakoucci, Lakuci flows down into Lake Hudson. You know,

1812
01:46:54.720 --> 01:46:57.359
they're all just connected and everything flows down through the rivers.

1813
01:46:57.960 --> 01:47:02.279
So it's not very hard to think. If you track it,

1814
01:47:02.800 --> 01:47:07.319
they can walk, you know, and go from one area

1815
01:47:07.439 --> 01:47:10.640
to the other during the different times of the year

1816
01:47:11.039 --> 01:47:14.520
for food, for where the fish are at, you know,

1817
01:47:14.600 --> 01:47:20.399
where the game's at. Yeah, it would make sense now,

1818
01:47:20.600 --> 01:47:21.600
like a natural migration.

1819
01:47:23.680 --> 01:47:29.279
Absolutely. The longer I talk to people about this, I

1820
01:47:29.439 --> 01:47:32.920
find that one of the common factors is there's usually

1821
01:47:33.720 --> 01:47:37.600
it's by a river, and you can just follow the

1822
01:47:37.680 --> 01:47:40.359
reports up and down. For example, I'm from Iowa. You

1823
01:47:40.399 --> 01:47:43.319
can just follow the reports up and down the Des

1824
01:47:43.399 --> 01:47:47.439
Moines River through southeast Iowa. It's incredible. It sounds like

1825
01:47:47.479 --> 01:47:48.960
it's a very similar thing down there.

1826
01:47:50.359 --> 01:47:55.359
Yes, it is, because if you look at the geography

1827
01:47:55.399 --> 01:47:57.279
of the area and then you look at the sidings,

1828
01:47:57.319 --> 01:47:59.199
there's not a lot of sightings out in the western

1829
01:47:59.239 --> 01:48:02.039
parts of Oklahoma because there's not as much river, there's

1830
01:48:02.119 --> 01:48:06.840
not as much woods. But over in the southeast corner

1831
01:48:06.920 --> 01:48:08.840
all the way up to the northeast corner, that's all

1832
01:48:08.920 --> 01:48:13.880
we are is river and woods and creeks and lakes.

1833
01:48:14.039 --> 01:48:16.680
And it's the perfect area for them because there's also

1834
01:48:16.800 --> 01:48:21.640
lots of caves dripping spring state parks over here and

1835
01:48:21.760 --> 01:48:26.319
that is a huge state park that has you know,

1836
01:48:26.800 --> 01:48:33.920
natural waterfalls, caves, all kinds of stuff. Yeah, there it's

1837
01:48:34.000 --> 01:48:35.319
the perfect area for them to be.

1838
01:48:37.000 --> 01:48:43.600
Did anyone ever see anything that looked like like a tall, pale,

1839
01:48:43.800 --> 01:48:48.600
skinny like creature just really kind of weird, kind of

1840
01:48:48.640 --> 01:48:51.039
like if you remember the Lord of the Rings movies,

1841
01:48:51.119 --> 01:48:52.000
like you had Gollum.

1842
01:48:54.199 --> 01:48:56.760
I've never actually watched The Lord of the Ring. Oh okay, sorry,

1843
01:48:57.239 --> 01:48:59.399
I think the strangest creature we've seen around here and

1844
01:48:59.479 --> 01:48:59.960
be a skimwall.

1845
01:49:01.359 --> 01:49:04.399
Okay, so that could be similar, depending on what your

1846
01:49:04.439 --> 01:49:07.239
definition is. So what would be your definition of that.

1847
01:49:08.840 --> 01:49:16.560
Well, we've traditionally around here we've got two types from

1848
01:49:16.600 --> 01:49:20.600
what we call skin walkers or I personally, we have

1849
01:49:21.760 --> 01:49:24.880
a gentleman in Taallequaw or lips kind of around Talaquaw

1850
01:49:25.640 --> 01:49:30.880
that he's said to turn into a bear, and then

1851
01:49:30.960 --> 01:49:34.479
we have this one that it to me, it's creepy.

1852
01:49:34.640 --> 01:49:39.359
It's like the top half looks kind of human with

1853
01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:45.479
antlers and a very creepy face, but the bottom half

1854
01:49:45.560 --> 01:49:49.039
is like more animal. I've heard stories of people seeing

1855
01:49:49.079 --> 01:49:53.279
stuff like that, but I just like, oh, well, it

1856
01:49:53.359 --> 01:49:56.000
must be a skinwalker and pass it off because it

1857
01:49:56.159 --> 01:49:58.680
probably is something to do with that or something.

1858
01:49:59.039 --> 01:50:02.920
I've never heard of that before, especially the deer antlers.

1859
01:50:03.079 --> 01:50:03.439
Is it is?

1860
01:50:03.479 --> 01:50:06.840
It usually called labeled as a female or male.

1861
01:50:08.680 --> 01:50:12.600
Usually male. Okay, what i'd heard, And like I said,

1862
01:50:12.600 --> 01:50:15.000
I've not personally saying it. I've just heard the stories

1863
01:50:15.039 --> 01:50:18.760
of it. One of my friends, she is a full

1864
01:50:18.800 --> 01:50:24.119
blowd Turkey Indian and she lives out near Kinwood, which

1865
01:50:24.199 --> 01:50:28.760
is kim Wood. Is uh, pretty much if you're not Indian,

1866
01:50:28.840 --> 01:50:31.800
you stay out type area.

1867
01:50:31.960 --> 01:50:32.680
Why would you do that?

1868
01:50:32.920 --> 01:50:41.920
And she well, they don't like okay, yeah, yeah yeah.

1869
01:50:42.319 --> 01:50:45.159
And if they don't like you, you're not going in there.

1870
01:50:46.319 --> 01:50:50.119
And anyway, she was always told never welcome after dark,

1871
01:50:51.399 --> 01:50:54.199
Well she was. And if you welcome after dark, if

1872
01:50:54.239 --> 01:50:59.000
you hear something behind you, do not turn around. Well,

1873
01:50:59.119 --> 01:51:01.520
she was walking home the dark, she heard something behind her.

1874
01:51:02.279 --> 01:51:05.199
Well she's smart. She didn't turn around, but she held

1875
01:51:05.239 --> 01:51:08.199
her camera and took a selfie over her shoulder to

1876
01:51:08.279 --> 01:51:10.960
try to catch what it was. She described it as

1877
01:51:11.000 --> 01:51:16.359
a demon. It's pale, white, walking on all fours, red eyes,

1878
01:51:17.720 --> 01:51:21.680
scurrying after her. She made that mile walk in four minutes.

1879
01:51:23.600 --> 01:51:25.760
She was done. She goes, I don't even remember how

1880
01:51:25.800 --> 01:51:29.560
I got home. And I'm like, well, now we know

1881
01:51:29.640 --> 01:51:31.479
why they told us not to be out of dark

1882
01:51:32.600 --> 01:51:34.640
and it was just in that one area up and

1883
01:51:34.720 --> 01:51:38.560
there because they said it was really haunted and it

1884
01:51:38.680 --> 01:51:41.720
was evil and this and that's what you heard growing up.

1885
01:51:43.399 --> 01:51:47.399
And then she took this picture. Unfortunately the phone got

1886
01:51:47.439 --> 01:51:49.239
broke so she didn't get to get the picture off.

1887
01:51:49.840 --> 01:51:54.279
But it looked like a pale white creature on all fours,

1888
01:51:55.359 --> 01:51:56.199
like it was scurrying.

1889
01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:01.319
Yeah, that's what I was asking about right there. Yeah, yeah,

1890
01:52:01.399 --> 01:52:01.680
that's it.

1891
01:52:03.239 --> 01:52:05.680
Okay, Well, see I didn't know what they were called.

1892
01:52:06.560 --> 01:52:09.720
We just called we was told it was a demon.

1893
01:52:10.600 --> 01:52:12.399
We really didn't know what it was, but that's what

1894
01:52:12.560 --> 01:52:14.000
they her mom had called it.

1895
01:52:16.079 --> 01:52:16.439
Oh wow.

1896
01:52:16.640 --> 01:52:18.079
So that's Kenwood, Oklahoma.

1897
01:52:19.479 --> 01:52:23.319
Yeah, up around the Kimwood Rose area, and that's about

1898
01:52:24.279 --> 01:52:26.439
from where I live now. It's about twenty minutes.

1899
01:52:29.520 --> 01:52:31.880
That's an unincorporated community. It looks like.

1900
01:52:33.439 --> 01:52:39.560
Yes, okay, yeah, yeah, you don't like breaking down out there.

1901
01:52:40.920 --> 01:52:45.720
M that is man. That kind of thing makes me

1902
01:52:45.800 --> 01:52:47.399
want to look into it, But I don't know how

1903
01:52:47.800 --> 01:52:50.600
how far I want to look into it. People they're

1904
01:52:50.800 --> 01:52:55.279
probably not want to talk at all. I would guess, no, no, no,

1905
01:52:55.920 --> 01:52:58.039
unless they reach out, no, which they're more than welcome

1906
01:52:58.119 --> 01:53:03.399
to but yeah, you don't go knocking on doors around there.

1907
01:53:04.880 --> 01:53:07.560
No, not in that area.

1908
01:53:07.960 --> 01:53:12.239
No, No, definitely not. It's been it's been some fun

1909
01:53:12.359 --> 01:53:16.039
talking to you. It's fascinating area of Oklahoma. Definitely looking

1910
01:53:16.119 --> 01:53:16.960
more into this.

1911
01:53:19.039 --> 01:53:23.479
Oh absolutely, yeah, get in touch with me anytime. I'm

1912
01:53:23.520 --> 01:53:25.039
more than happy to go out and help you hunt.

1913
01:53:25.840 --> 01:53:29.840
Absolutely, And if you ever run into any other information,

1914
01:53:30.039 --> 01:53:31.319
if you're able to pull.

1915
01:53:31.239 --> 01:53:34.600
Up what you have about, I will definitely find that

1916
01:53:34.920 --> 01:53:36.680
and send it to you because it was to me.

1917
01:53:36.840 --> 01:53:41.600
It's what I found fascinating about it was I remember

1918
01:53:41.680 --> 01:53:45.000
because when she first gave it to me, I went

1919
01:53:45.119 --> 01:53:48.760
looking and you can't find anything about it, like it's

1920
01:53:48.880 --> 01:53:52.359
they don't want you to know about it. And so

1921
01:53:52.640 --> 01:53:54.560
I was like, hmmm, I'm going to go to the

1922
01:53:54.720 --> 01:53:58.520
historical societies and I'm gonna try to pull you know,

1923
01:53:58.800 --> 01:53:59.960
more information that route.

1924
01:54:02.760 --> 01:54:05.680
Oh that's where you feeld it was the historical Society.

1925
01:54:07.079 --> 01:54:10.159
Well, she found it there and she sent it to me,

1926
01:54:10.560 --> 01:54:13.199
and so I'm going to go back and try because

1927
01:54:13.239 --> 01:54:15.520
I have to go to the historical society for a

1928
01:54:15.640 --> 01:54:21.840
grave I'm trying to find, so it won't be a

1929
01:54:21.960 --> 01:54:24.119
very hard thing for me to look into and try

1930
01:54:24.159 --> 01:54:27.520
to find more information. If I can't get that route,

1931
01:54:27.560 --> 01:54:30.279
then I know there's still some old timers alive from

1932
01:54:30.319 --> 01:54:33.760
that time that might talk to me, because I've learned

1933
01:54:34.640 --> 01:54:37.960
here in Oklahoma anyways, once these old timers get this

1934
01:54:38.079 --> 01:54:40.000
certain age, they don't care what they tell.

1935
01:54:40.479 --> 01:54:43.039
Oh yeah, it's great, it is so good. That is

1936
01:54:43.119 --> 01:54:46.039
a lesson I've learned myself. You need to figure out

1937
01:54:46.600 --> 01:54:50.680
where they're at and become friends with them, like buy

1938
01:54:50.760 --> 01:54:51.560
the coffee or something.

1939
01:54:52.960 --> 01:54:55.319
Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I've learned. And I'm like, ooh,

1940
01:54:55.399 --> 01:54:58.239
I'm loving this because I can find out so much

1941
01:54:58.279 --> 01:55:02.079
more information from there than I can't any historical society

1942
01:55:02.159 --> 01:55:06.039
half the time. Absolutely, and that's actually why I'm what

1943
01:55:06.159 --> 01:55:09.279
I'm relying on to find this grave. I'm looking for

1944
01:55:10.079 --> 01:55:12.399
is to try to track down some Oldzheimer's that were

1945
01:55:12.399 --> 01:55:17.520
alive when this incident. Are not when it happened, but

1946
01:55:17.640 --> 01:55:21.399
they would have been little kids and their parents might

1947
01:55:21.439 --> 01:55:25.279
have talked about it and try to locate it. And

1948
01:55:25.359 --> 01:55:27.520
I'm like, ooh, I love these Oldzheimer's. Man, you give

1949
01:55:27.560 --> 01:55:29.560
the cup coffee, You're there for three hours learning.

1950
01:55:30.600 --> 01:55:37.119
No, that's absolutely the same is with older librarians in

1951
01:55:37.199 --> 01:55:42.439
a town, yes, and historical societies I've had I've had

1952
01:55:42.560 --> 01:55:43.479
luck with them as well.

1953
01:55:44.840 --> 01:55:51.079
Oh yes, absolutely absolutely. Now while I'm thinking about it,

1954
01:55:51.199 --> 01:55:56.199
there is enough up in Ucci. There is a cemetery

1955
01:55:57.119 --> 01:56:02.039
and there has been sightings of walking behind the cemetery,

1956
01:56:03.279 --> 01:56:07.159
and I know they're fairly recent. Where is this up

1957
01:56:07.199 --> 01:56:07.720
in Ucci?

1958
01:56:08.079 --> 01:56:08.439
Ucci?

1959
01:56:08.800 --> 01:56:14.600
Which is yeah, it's on this If you are south

1960
01:56:14.640 --> 01:56:19.800
of Grove on Highways twenty. Yeah, you take fifty nine

1961
01:56:20.399 --> 01:56:24.399
down into Jay and then from j you go like

1962
01:56:24.520 --> 01:56:27.000
you're going down fifty nine to Tahlequah, but you turn

1963
01:56:27.079 --> 01:56:30.680
onto twenty and you go into Ucchi. And when you're

1964
01:56:30.720 --> 01:56:35.239
going into Uchi, there's a huge cemetery on the left

1965
01:56:35.279 --> 01:56:39.800
hand side, and there has been as recent as last year,

1966
01:56:40.119 --> 01:56:45.479
I know for sure sightings a bigfoot behind that cemetery

1967
01:56:45.640 --> 01:56:47.560
or walking through the back edge of that cemetery.

1968
01:56:48.399 --> 01:56:50.720
I'm gonna definitely look into that. So as late as

1969
01:56:50.840 --> 01:56:53.319
last year, you're saying there's been reports and then yes,

1970
01:56:53.439 --> 01:56:54.079
that's cool.

1971
01:56:54.520 --> 01:57:00.239
Yes, yeah, yeah, I've talked to people that's had Yeah,

1972
01:57:00.640 --> 01:57:02.319
they live up in that area and they're like, man,

1973
01:57:02.399 --> 01:57:05.039
we see them all the time, you know, we hear

1974
01:57:05.159 --> 01:57:05.840
this all the time.

1975
01:57:07.760 --> 01:57:08.000
Wow.

1976
01:57:08.880 --> 01:57:12.760
Mary, Thank you so much for spending an hour of

1977
01:57:12.800 --> 01:57:15.880
your time with me and just sharing some absolutely really

1978
01:57:16.000 --> 01:57:20.880
interesting things of what's going on in this area you're

1979
01:57:20.920 --> 01:57:24.640
familiar with, and hopefully if people are listening to this

1980
01:57:24.760 --> 01:57:29.239
and they know of things going on around ucci in

1981
01:57:29.319 --> 01:57:33.079
the cemetery and all this. Man, there's even a place

1982
01:57:33.119 --> 01:57:34.359
called Monkey Island.

1983
01:57:34.279 --> 01:57:34.600
Near this.

1984
01:57:36.399 --> 01:57:40.000
Crazy Okay, so Monkey Island. Monkey Island got its name

1985
01:57:40.119 --> 01:57:43.359
because a circus was coming through a month. You've actually

1986
01:57:43.399 --> 01:57:49.920
got loose. They captured them. But yeah, yeah, this whole

1987
01:57:49.960 --> 01:57:53.960
area is. I mean, you ever come down here, you'll

1988
01:57:54.000 --> 01:57:54.399
have fun.

1989
01:57:55.560 --> 01:58:01.000
Yeah, it's it's as crazy as there's another la. It's

1990
01:58:01.079 --> 01:58:02.039
down by Texas.

1991
01:58:02.279 --> 01:58:03.279
The lake.

1992
01:58:05.000 --> 01:58:08.079
It's called Lake Texoma. Has a lot of weird stuff

1993
01:58:08.159 --> 01:58:09.159
like you guys.

1994
01:58:09.199 --> 01:58:12.600
Oh yeah, I've drove over that one. That's cool. Cool

1995
01:58:12.680 --> 01:58:16.079
areas down there, Yeah, fun stuff.

1996
01:58:16.279 --> 01:58:18.439
They both look like dragons. That's weird when you when

1997
01:58:18.479 --> 01:58:23.159
you look. Anyways, man, Mary, thank you so much. Keep

1998
01:58:23.199 --> 01:58:24.640
me in mind if you ever run into any other

1999
01:58:25.560 --> 01:58:25.960
in your area.

2000
01:58:26.159 --> 01:58:27.560
Oh absolutely, thank you.

2001
01:58:27.600 --> 01:58:28.760
So much for coming on today.

2002
01:58:29.880 --> 01:58:30.479
You're welcome.

2003
01:58:32.359 --> 01:58:34.600
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

2004
01:58:34.720 --> 01:58:37.920
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

2005
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in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

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01:58:41.720 --> 01:58:44.600
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

2007
01:58:44.600 --> 01:58:47.880
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

2008
01:58:47.920 --> 01:58:51.279
to stay quiet, if you're a pilot who's seen something

2009
01:58:51.439 --> 01:58:54.279
strange down on the ground, or if you're with the

2010
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FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled

2011
01:58:58.399 --> 01:59:01.239
upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if

2012
01:59:01.239 --> 01:59:04.800
you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's

2013
01:59:04.840 --> 01:59:08.479
heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If

2014
01:59:08.479 --> 01:59:12.119
you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,

2015
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or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

2016
01:59:15.439 --> 01:59:18.840
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

2017
01:59:18.840 --> 01:59:22.680
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

2018
01:59:22.760 --> 01:59:26.039
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

2019
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If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

2020
01:59:29.159 --> 01:59:32.600
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

2021
01:59:33.359 --> 01:59:36.439
or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA, or

2022
01:59:36.520 --> 01:59:39.840
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

2023
01:59:41.199 --> 01:59:44.600
then I want to talk to you. Even if it's anonymous.

2024
01:59:46.439 --> 01:59:49.760
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

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2026
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carry alone. And you're not alone. You've got the story,

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We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

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