Hoopa Encounters! (and more!) | California

0:00 You're listening to bigflet Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. Hey there, how's it going good. I lived with my grandmother when I was younger in the summertime in Cumberland, Wisconsin, and she we're Native American Ojibways, and we've always had stories of Bigfoot and.

0:51 Stuff like that. So we were about eight of my cousins and I we were playing outside at night. I was already getting dark, and we were down probably about a block away from my grandmother's house, playing around in the woods done by swamp, and we started to hear something. At the time, it sounded like it was saying. Yummy, yummy, yummy, yummy, and we all stopped and we started listening, and it kept going, and then we heard another one off to our side, on the other side of us, and we started crying, and we took off, running back to my grandmother's house. And when we all got inside, all of us were crying.

1:35 You know, we're like ten years old. And she comes. My grandmother comes out of the bedroom and, you know, ask why is everybody crying, And we tried to tell her that we heard somebody saying yummy, yummy, yummy to us and that's what scared us. And then you know, she kind of told us to knock it off, and we didn't hear anything like that. So, probably about thirty years later. I get into law enforcement and I go back to work in that area and another one of our tribal members reported hearing one and seeing one in her outside of our house. So naturally we went down and took the complaint, and probably about another month after that, one of the Bigfoot societies came around.

2:27 And started to investigate that. Well. I happened to come across them. Down by done By a Lake. And I just I go down and say, hey, what's going on? What are you guys doing? Oh? We're part of the Bigfoot society here and we're here to investigate. Oh okay, So I kind of forgot about my experience and just kind of started listening to them, and one guy said, Hey, I got what recorded. Do you want to do? You want to hear it? So I humored them. I said, yeah, let me, I want to hear it. And the guy brought out his recorder and he started to play it, and right away it started to say yummy, yummy, yummy, the exact same thing I heard when I was ten years old, And right away it brought tears to my eyes and I kind of got choked up. And the guy could tell, and he asked me, you know, hey, what's going on?

3:26 And I told him my story and he. Said, wow, that's I'm honest, honest to say that you probably did hear one that night. My goodness, that's incredible. So how many years between the two events do you think? So it had to be, like said when I was, I had to be eighty five ish when I when I heard the first when when we first heard that, and I started working for the police department in two thousand and two, it was probably two thousand and five when I came or when we had that tribal member reported, and then a month after that, that's when I met with the Bigfoot Society.

4:16 That's incredible. I wonder if I wonder if that that was maybe the BFRO that was up there. Who knows, there could be some regional ones too. That's interesting. Thank you for sharing that that story. I appreciate you coming up. Is this a conversation I can use on my podcast? Sure, I've told you before. I've told it before the other cool to other people. So yeah, it's it's definitely something I'll never forget. Awesome. Well, thank you for coming up. I appreciate it. Thank you. Hey there, how are you pretty good?

4:58 How you did? Hey? Great? What brings you up today? Well, you know what, I've come by your show here a couple of times, and you know, I'm kind of particular about who I want to talk to, you know what I mean, who I want to give my story to. So I'm kind of particular about that, and you look pretty good, so I thought, you know what, I'll get on here if you want to hear. It, Yeah, absolutely, go right ahead. So my story begins in around nineteen eighty four, before I knew anything. I mean, you know, I'd seen big Foot books when I was a kid and all that. But I'm fifty seven. Just to give you an idea how the am. But so. In nineteen eighty four, we're up in West Virginia and we're in this trailer that we're living in, my mother, he and my brother and our next door neighbor, and we just hear this lady screaming in the woods. I mean, it's just rattling the trailer and we're like, what is going on? So we opened up the door of the trailer that had a back door on. It didn't have any stairs or whatever, but it was right back, backed up against the hill. And this is important to remember, by the way. So we are backed up against the hill, the setting is on the side of a mountain, and there's no houses behind us, but there are houses beside us.

6:10 And this is up in the Appalachians, so you know, so, yeah, this thing is screaming and we're thinking it's a woman being killed. And it sounded so much like what you would think that would sound like. That's but it was very, very very loud, and so we shut the door, loaded up all of our guns, put one of each of the doors, and you know, I called up my stepdad at the time. It was like, hey, you know, what's going on up here? And they're claiming it's a lion, it's of this or that or whatever. But you know, we're still scared. And that's that. So after that night, nothing happened. We did walk in the woods the next day to look to see if we could find something up there. There was nothing. So that was nineteen eighty four.

6:53 We didn't know what that was. Who knows, but later on we I did put two and two together and we figured this out. But so nineteen eighty six, this is a couple of years later, and this is just so you guys have an idea too. This is around the Morgantown area, up in the up in the mountains, but I won't give any specifics. So we're pulling up this October, cool October evening, just before sundown, and I told my stepdad, Hey, I'm gonna run up on the hill. We had this hill up there as a flat field on top of this mountain that we live below, and there was enough the sun was up high enough and it was up high enough that you could still hunt that for a good half hour or so before, you know, or maybe at even an hour. Anyway, I got out of the truck. I was gonna run up the hill.

7:46 I didn't have anything with me. I wasn't armed or nothing. But I went walking up the hill, and you know, going up there at a fairly quick pace, I guess you could say. And I was just trying to get up there so that I could get back to my house if I saw any thing. And so as I walk up this hill, I start as I'm getting up the top of the hill, so as you know, as a hill caps off right, it starts to get flat on top right. So I see this head, this huge hairy head, and since I'm looking uphill, I'm looking at, you know, the head of this thing. And so I walk up a few more feet so that I can see more of it, because I'm curious at this point what this is. And then it just stops me in my tracks. I can see the shoulders, I could see the I could see the hair glinting in the sun, you know, playing as day. I didn't see any ears on it. As people have asked me that before, I didn't see any years it had real I mean manicured hair as opposed to some of the other bigfoot things you see where they're all hairy and dirty and all that.

9:06 This thing was groomed and it was like an athlete. It was built kind of like that from what I could see now at this point, now this is all going down real quick, I had a fear come over me that I have never experienced in my life since then. It was a fear that I couldn't even explain. And so I was remember looking at it, thinking, do not turn around. This is what I'm thinking to myself while I'm staying there in dire straits, if you will with fear, I'm thinking, do not turn around and look at me, because I will have a heart attack right here on the ground, right here on the spot. And I was sixteen years old by there by the way at this time, and I'm thinking I'm going to be just have a heart atta. This thing turned around, and luckily it kept walking away, and when I realized it took another step going the other direction. That's when I turned around and hauled butt down the hill as fast as I could go ran down the hill, and that was my first experience ever seeing a sasquatch, and so I know they're all real, that's for sure. Yeah, there's no doubt about that.

10:26 Now I'll wind up here a little bit on it. So I contacted a couple of people that lived on that hill years later, and one of the girls that lived up there on that hill told me a story where she said that she was right behind my house on that hill picking blackberries, and she said, my mother had walked off to go take a piss, and she goes, I turned, I was picking blackberries, and then I just looked up. Here's a sasquatch looking right at me, she said. And it had to have been the same one that that I'm assuming that I saw on that hill. And this was around nineteen eighty six, so the same timeframe.

11:07 And she said, tears just started pouring down my face because I was so scared. And she said, I turned around to look where my mother was at because you know, she was so frightened, and she said, I turned back around and it was gone. That is really weird, right, it just gone. That is some wild stuff. So, regarding the first sighting that you had, how far away was that from you? Again, it was probably about thirty yards It wasn't very farful. Yeah, that's just over tennis court away, that's not.

11:50 Yeah it was. Yeah, it was about like that about a tennis court. Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't very far at all. And like I said, the sun was shining on that hill and the the I guess the clarity that I had of the sun gleaning off the fur or the hair, it was like hair. It wasn't fur. It looked like hair. I agree with a lot of other people when they say that, uh but yeah, but this one was groomed and uh, it just it just it didn't look like so many other big foots that I see on TV. So that's when you know, when you look around you're looking at all these videos, you're like, man, that's not exactly what I saw, But that looks pretty authentic, you know, right, So you know there's something going on there. I don't know exactly what's going on with that, but hey, I got more some more story for you here. Now. Not that I'm not that I'm a sasquatch magnet, because I'm not. But if you're in the right place at the right time, unfortunately, some stuff is probably gonna happen. So wind this up to two thousand and eight, and I'm living in Texas.

12:47 This is I grew up here as well, and I'm out in East Texas and I'm hogging in the dark. So I've got all CAMEO on and all that. Now, I didn't have all the camera on because I was trying to hide my body in the dark. But all those out there in the dark as the summer, this is just each You're alive. So yeah, so I'm really covered up for that. And I have a starlight scope with me on a seventeen hm R. Now, if you know what a seventeen hm R is, that's really not a very powerful round for you know, big game or anything like that. Is for all small game. Now, I had been shooting hogs with it and just having fun. So I did have a three O eight with me as well, but it only had a regular scope on it, and I had a pig light out there about seventy yards away where I could see in the dark with the three O eight, So I could actually shoot a three O eight in the dark with the regular scope.

13:37 But seventeen HMR on the other hand, with a starlight scope on it, you know Raccoonville, right, I mean it's just not a very big ground. But anyway, I'm in this tree and it's real quiet. Man. It just got real quiet, the same thing you hear from other stories about hunters out there. I mean, everything shut up. The cricket shut up, the mouse is quit moving. All the racket noise that I have that had been around me earlier that night had just shut up everything. And I was like, well, that's kind of weird. And then I hear this tree explode. I mean, just like a wooden tree, like a tree that I the tree that I could picture in my head was like an old tree just being bent over and then just exploding. And you would have thought I would have been scared, but I wasn't.

14:25 I was like, what, I actually remember thinking to myself, Well, I guess trees do make noise when no one's around. Of course I'm there, but you know what I mean, You get the point right, absolutely. So I'm still up in the tree and I'm looking around trying to figure out why that tree just exploded when everything was completely silent and quiet, and it wasn't very far from me. It was probably fifty yards from me. So I've just sit there in the tree. You know what else. I'm there to hunt hogs, you know. That's what I'm doing. That's what I'm thinking, is running around out there. I don't know what just happened to that tree. And behind me, I hear something and I'm in a by the way, I'm in a tree stand to say, you know, I'm in a tree stand about twelve feet off the ground, and it's a two man tree stand, so I got a little bit of leeway to walk around on this platform.

15:14 So I hear something behind me, and I'm thinking, oh, man, hog's gonna walk in on me. That's cool. I just killing right here. You're right in front of me. And uh so I'm waiting and waiting and waiting and it never comes out, and I'm thinking, what why I did not walk That's really weird. I did throw some corn and stuff out there in front of my tree stand, just for giggles, just to in case some hog did come through there, it would stop maybe and I would get a chance to pop it, you know. Anyway, so I decided to stand up in my tree stand and I turned around and I turned that starlight scope on and I looked down straight beside me on the ground and I see this human like body laid out completely flat on the ground, but its hands were like tucked underneath it, and its feet were straight up and down.

16:01 It was like and you would have thought I was freaking it. I would have freaked out singing this, but I didn't. I didn't know what it was. Now, when you have a starlight scope, a lot of guys on them these days, so they know what they look like. It's a green, black and yellow kind of maybe some white sometimes, uh, but every this whole this thing that I was looking at was not very big. It was only about six and a half maybe seven feet tall. It wasn't very big, but it but it was real round. It had a real round gut on it. And now at this point when I'm looking at this, I am wondering what it is. And I'm not just gonna shoot something that I don't know what it is, right, So uh, I just I remember I sat back down in my seat and I'm thinking, what was that? And I'm thinking, well, let me take another look. So I stand back up, I got my scopes already on. I looked back at there again, and it had moved all the way up against the tree and it had its head if you could pitchre this, it had its neck butted up against the bottom of the tree and it had reached up and it was holding on to this branch. And the branch come all the way up to where I was.

17:13 It was a real small little branch, it was only it wasn't even a half inch thick, but it was real long, and it came up that twelve feet where I was at, and it started waving that branch with his hand. And mind you, there's no noise, there's no wind, no nothing, but that branch is waving now in front of my face. And now you would have thought I would have just been shooting like a wild man or whatever, but I didn't. At this point, I'm thinking, what is that? But that was about the same time I was fixing the stand back up and looked back down there, which I did do, and that's how I could see it what it was doing. And you would you know, once again, you would have thought i'd have freaked out when been shooting, but I didn't. I still didn't know what it was.

17:55 I still didn't know if it was a man that was effing with me or something else. And I didn't think it was a man, I'm out here on private land, you know. So I just sit back down in the seat and it backs back out. I hear it back back out and it walks off, and that that was my East Texas. I'm gonna call it a sasquatch and we I don't know what else to call it, but uh yeah, that how you would Yeah what else would you call that? Uh? Yeah? Surprisingly, yeah, I had heard some noises out there. I'm not I was at the time. I wasn't familiar with sasquatch calls, you know, like the whoops and stuff, But I had heard some of those noises out there. I had taken, ah, just for giggles, I had taken a one of those old satellite dishes that you get like for like Dish TV, and I put a recorder on the end of it, at the end where normally a signal would be coming through, and I knew that sound would bounce off of that and hit that hit that thing, and dude, I picked up I picked up all kinds of crazy nons out there in those woods. That works really good. So yeah, VIDI we got you know, good fans on here. You guys want to do something on the cheap but works. Use one of those little satellite dishes, put a recorder on the end of that thing, and you'll be surprised what you'll catch.

19:13 Absolutely, that's a good idea. It's making your own parabolic pretty much. Yeah, yeah, yeah, on the cheap man. Yeah. So but that was my East Texas story. Uh. You know. I I'm not out there currently seeking out sasquatch or anything like that, but I do keep up online. I pay attention to what's going on, or at least I try to. Well, man, you've had some you've had some really cool encounters over there, because I appreciate you coming up and sharing those. Is this a conversation I can use on a Bigfoot podcast I have? Yeah, you bet? All right, Well, thanks for coming up, man. Yeah, no problem, Thanks for inviting me on.

19:56 Hello GI. How are you? Oh, I'm good. How are you doing? Can I doing great? What brings you up today? Well? I had some questions first and then my story, if that's all right with you? Okay, So where is the majority of in the United States the most sightings at well or encounters. Let's see, I would say you have a I mean, there's a few few things let me bring my map up here. You're going to have, of course, a better chance if you're do you know where that like the cascades are that go up from on the Pacific Northwest over there? Yes, that's where a ton of reports I get are following that cascade range. Right, there's a ton of reports in Ohio, in Pennsylvania, believe it or not. East Texas is a pretty big hotspot in northern Georgia, eastern Tennessee, southern Missouri. I mean it's almost like ask where where not to go? The Midwest and the bratt the like central Midwest can get pretty spares, but your Pacific Northwest, Like, if you had one shot to try to go to a place, I would say Placamus County, Oregon or Pierce County, Washington.

21:25 Okay, so look that up. So my tale goes all the way back to ninety two when I was sixteen and our neighbors were really good friends, like I grew up, you know, with my friend and his parents were real close with my parents and stuff. And they decided to move to Montana and they bought this big plot of land and my friend's dad was kind of like an off the gritter type guy, and that was the plan them. So the first summer or not some sort not summer, it was the first hunting season that they had while they were there, they invited us to come stay with them. So my parents and I we packed up from Texas and we went up there, and we had penned to spend two weeks up there, and so we all the boys, all the men, go off hunting this one day. So we're in this big area that's pretty rushy and tree covered. Stuff I had never seen being here in Texas. And there's this trail that the dad described as having a lot of deer come through.

22:40 So we're there. Setting up these makeshift lines and it's about them maybe one hundred yards away from the football our football field away from where the trail is, and we hadn't seen anything like all evening, it was starting to get kind of late, and then finally at the very end when it was just going to become nightfall and we had to stop, this thing comes lumbering through that we can see from where our blind is at, and we got scared because we thought it was a bear. And right before it gets into the brush, because it was quadrupreed, it turned into biped. It stood up and literally just looked at us and moved off into the brush and the trees and stuff. And we were scared. We didn't know what to do, and my dad was like, we should investigate it. We were sixteen and fifteen. We didn't want it to go. But right before we took a few steps forward, you just heard these two loud knocks, like what everyone describes as like trees getting hit, and then every animal in the forest you could say, he just ran out of nowhere.

24:05 And that was it. And we went. The following morning and we found the tracks of this I'm assuming Sasquatch, I want to say it, and. They were there. They were as real as day, but where we were at it was very rural, so he had to wait because he wanted to make a cast. And by the time we got back with supplies like the next day and stuff there in that, I guess that part of Montana was real rainy, so there wasn't anything left for us to do with it. But that was Yeah, that was my introduction to Sasquatch at sixteen.

24:52 That's wild. What part of Montana was that? In Helena? I believe that's Lena. Oh sure, yeah, let me look up. I'm just curious. Okay, well yeah that is uh let's see. And I had never spoken to anyone about this, but when I found your TikTok, I was like, you know, maybe I should tell this story. Well, I appreciate you coming up. That's that's a huge deal to share something like that for the first time. Thank you. Oh, you're welcome. I appreciate your time. And I'm really interested in everyone that comes on in their encounters as well. See if there's anything similar to like what occurred with me.

25:37 Absolutely, is this a conversation I can use on I have a big foot podcast or. Oh yeah, yeah, you can use it for sure. Okay, awesome, awesome, Well yeah, definitely feel free to hang out and you should. You should start learning a lot of stuff from other people's encounters. But yeah, thank you for being here. Man, all righty, thank you, have a great night, you two. Ronnie alec here again, Ronnie, how are you? Oh? Pretty good. I'm from Burns Dake, BC here. I've been trying to get ahold of you last week.

26:18 Here. I have three sidings that I want to talk about. One was way up at fifty Helen Lake about fifteen years ago, when me and my dad took him up there. He was talking about old stuff and sat well coming back down, and then all of a sudden, already in about forty feet. From us, he just about got on the road. You can see his brown hair just he turns, swung around, walked back in the bush and from there that we couldn't believe it at first, But that's not the first time.

27:06 The second time when I was about ten years ago coming back from Babbin Lake at arnis landing about eleven miles from Burns Lake. Here you go up to Babbin Road and right there, that was in May. It was about seven o'clock, seven thirty sunset, and I was coming around the corner and right there I couldn't believe. I just turned right there and right in front, probably about good forty feet fifty and I stopped right there, and then this thing had a long hair, probably about ten feet And that was ten years ago, and he just went right across, and it just gave me the chills.

28:00 And I can't believe. Nobody won't something like that. Nobody won't believe you. So all that time and then that same place. And I tell you, he went across and I stopped working, went across still. I got the goods pumps from that thing, and he just went across like in probably about eight ten steps, and then he was a gone, and how fast he went. And then that same place about five years ago.

28:41 Coming down, not coming down, but me and my friend making woods there, and both of us who had changed are going cutting woods, and all of a sudden we chopped two trees down and we're cutting away in that same area and right behind, yes, and man, you can hear that, And all of a sudden, I told my I stopped myself and I told my friend to stop his And I tell you their echo I can hear is that. I can hear the dad, I can hear the mom, and we can hear the little one. They're all just warning us, like they gave us the good spump.

29:28 You can hear their echo from quite a ways, quite away. And then I told my buddy, I said, this is the same area where I say that let's get out of here. And load those fireworks up. Will never ever move quick in our life that time they gave us a good spump. And that's a second time. And then last three weeks ago another incident happened was my my niece's husband. They were supposed to meet them down in uh Noranda Landing in grand Isle past grand Isle at the old fort there they were supposed to meet his father, and that was three weeks ago. Instead of they were heading the right direction, but there was a turn off up to the left we go to grand Isle, BC and then up towards Fort by Being And once there they got on the road and they were heading down to Smethers Landing instead. And then right there there about a mile I guess down that smeters landing, they heard some big steps footsteps, so they stopped and they looked over to their left and right there he

31:00 was looking at them. They got the goosebumps. They're never ever going to look like they. You know, until this day, nobody won't believe what's happening around our area here in Burns Lake and Babin Lake. So there's lots of sidings and they found the fish and wildlife. When they've seen that bickfoot and they have the fish and wildlife, they said that you're not the only ones. There's three people of total of you seeing that Bickfoot around in Smanners Landing area. So yeah, it's there's.

31:43 Quite a few around here that you know, there's a lot of loggings and and a lot of things that's happening around here, lots of things, and especially in Babin Lake. My friend also they were out fishing around and then, uh that was about eight years ago, and his cousin was taking a video on his phone. Besold this beautiful and calm, and then all of a sudden he turned around his back and taking the video Richard, look what's that coming? Waves coming towards them. And then with in three seconds, he went underneath their the Alumimum boat and I tell you he just just about fell off the boat, both of them. And then right there he video on the whole thing. The phone fell off his hands and into the boat, and then they turned around. That motor just ripped that thing right out his back behind and they were looking at the big huge tail was going back down as the probably they said about at least about somewhere around ten feet, and it just ripped the

33:20 motor out. So they had to paddle to Bear Island that same Babbin Lake area, and they found fish and wildlife and our same peak. They came out to pick them up and they told him the whole story, and they showed the footage to the phone. But there's lots of things happening around here in Burns Lake and Babbin Lake area, so there's lots of silence. That last one. You're saying that was a big foot in the water. No, No, this was, oh, this was whatever was. And babby In Lake they were, they'll talk to you about it.

34:07 It's their tail is so white, probably about something like ten feet wide. When under underneath their boat and ripped the motor off the aluminument boat and it just went flying up and into the lake and they don't know what it was. Okay, so you might have some sort of lake monster in that lake. Then, yeah. And then three years ago we had a derby going down here and dance landing and bobbing lake. Me and a wife went across, had a ten pound line on that and my wife started screaming And now all of a sudden look back and sees the rod was just really bending down. So I stopped the motor and I grabbed the fishing rot from her, and I tell you, I cannot reil that thing in. It's just like twenty pound line and it's just like going out with it within seven minutes half of the line and then just broke right out. There's lots of things happening around I mean lake and BC.

35:20 Here, so. Lots of sidings. So if people want, they want to know about where they can find Bigfoot or whatever it is in the lake too, So there's something going on. But there you go. I appreciate you coming up and sharing your accounts. These are incredible and we've never heard from this area of British Columbia before. Yeah, yeah, you guys are you know you want to send some people up here to do some some really own do whatever over that uh there, you guarantee you guys will find something, especially up in Talban Lake when you can't even see the bottom when you go out camping when we want up shopping. We wound up fine with the helicopter and we can't even see the bottom in Talban Lake. And also our elders they used to set a net up there and you know one day the next day they were trying to take the net out so long that whatever it is, it just wrapped right around it. They just lit gold and like with the elders, they say that underneath the lake between talban

36:51 Auger Lake Babine Lake and goes out to the ocean and it's all connected. That's what they were saying. And we believe you that because underneath that there's whatever that's out there. We have so much of people learn to talk about it, but not you know, nobody can't believe our story. That's what's happening around in our area. Here we see Bronnie. I appreciate you coming up. Do you mind if I use this conversation in a bigfoot podcast that I have. Sure you can ask these boys to it about three weeks ago when they seen this pitfoot. There's a lot of people. You can ask the fish and wildlife here in Smithers that they reported the sidings where they're seeing these this speckfoot.

37:43 So there's more than three people. So you're so hold on. You're saying, if I look up Smithers fish and Wildlife in British Columbia, Yeah, it's that I'm trying to look for. As the town of Smithers. Es Smethers PC, it's Buckley Valley and and Smethers Landing and football being are connected in that area. You can talk to these people too if you want to, I can. We can arrange that and you know they'll all come out and talk about it. And because there's a lot of story about whatever that people out there are talking about, it's real. There's definitely no doubt about it. There's lots of bickfoot, different kind of animals out there that they're talking about.

38:44 It's true. So I. Believe it myself because I experienced it. I seen it and how they move, and I'll tell you this is what you have to believe. People are saying. So many of them out there, different kinds, colors, and this one with our clock long hair, and we have tracks sometimes wherever we go hunt out there and in October we see tracks. So there's lots of ideas, no doubt about it. So be nice if you guys can talk to us and we'll tell you the whole true story.

39:33 That's what people are saying out there. So for you, Thank you, Thank you, Ronnie. I appreciate it. Thank you, Ronny alec So from Ursick. We see Nick babbin Wyone. Very good. Hey, well we'll chat later. Thank you so much. For coming up thank you, Thank you for listening. Yes, sir, okay, oh my goodness. That's and that's that's a conversation. That's why do this live. If you're able to come up, Jill, I'd love to talk to you. I hear that you are related to the hoop a tribe.

40:13 Hi there, how are you Hi? Sorry? I just was having some technical difficulties with my thumbs. Oh, no problem. Yeah. They those people used to participate in our ceremonies many many, many many years ago before my grandfather was born. He was born in nineteen oh nine or nineteen oh six, and he's long got since gone, but he talked about the stories that he was told as a child, that you know, those people used to participate in our ceremonies. And the way, if anyone's been to Hoopa, the way our ceremonies work is, you know, Hoop is located in northern California, so we're at the bottom of kind of like the Pacific Northwest, and our ceremonies are shared by the three tribes Hoopa, Iraq, and Kadok, and they are when our seminaries happen, usually especially our healing ceremonies. The Hoopa dance, then the the Uruk dance, and then the Kadok dance. So they each take a turn. And at one point these people also used to participate and take a turn, and they also had regalia that they would bring.

41:41 But there was a disagreement at some point and they took their stuff and said that they wouldn't be back with us because of this disagreement. And I will say his name many many men, which means kind of loose translated means he's the one in charge of the lids or the mountains. Oh my goodness, I love that. That's incredible. That's so cool. He's not seen necessarily as a bad person. And of course, you know, family and friends have seen him. I've never been so fortunate as to see him. I would love to.

42:26 But you know the Tuley River tribe, which is more kind of so central, you know, probably about seven eight hours away south of Hoopa, it's they have they actually have picked uh petroglyphs with a good, a good bigfoot, and a bad bigfoot. So the red eyes and when I say bad, they're the unkind ones. They have red eyes and then the others have yellow. Oh really yeah, Oh wow, Okay, So that's interesting because I've so I've taken a lot of encounters and those are things that come up. It's either red or yellow eyes.

43:07 So you're saying there's a distinction between if they're good or bad going off of what type of eyes they have. Well, yes, that's what I've been told. That's not our story. That's not our Hoopa stories. That's the Tully River that's there. That's their stories, which is kind of interesting, right, it's very interesting. I've talked to who did I talk to? I talked to Bear from who is I'm trying to remember the current. It's not medicine man anymore. It's like a spiritual leader. Apologies I'm saying it wrong, but he was involved with the Tuley River tribe and he had some really interesting things going on down there. So when you say that they used to be there with regalia, can you can you explain what that means?

44:09 So for us, Well, so you see my picture there, and we have a lot of we use a lot of abalone shells, dentalium shells, which are like the mollusks right that grow along the Pacific Northwest, and I'm assuming pinets like pinetts are kind of a big thing these days, but a long time ago it was like a poor man's bead, So i'm I would think, And we also used a lot of palliated woodpecker hits, scalps, and a lot of our regalia along with our otter and mink hides, So I would assume that when they said that they also owned regalia, it was probably very similar to to ours.

45:01 So they had pelt beaver, not beaver, well, maybe beaver belts, but pelts from mink and otters, and probably had things with decorated with abaloni and other types of shells. And you know, I'm just making an extrapolation here. I mean, yeah, absolutely, I have no idea. What kind of regalia he had, but if it was the same same thing, and that's kind of like certain people hold regalia. So like our white deer skins, you know, are out by no deerskins there these We're actually in the middle of our world reninal ceremonies right now. We just finished our white deerskin dance and are going to be getting ready to do the jump dance.

45:49 Is it okay if I ask you a few questions? Sure, okay for you for yours? So I'm really excited about. So I've interviewed a few a few different First Nations people and they all have stories about how sometimes they will show up on the edge of ceremonies, sometimes when there's there's drums involved. Have you ever heard that as well, Like they will show up on the edges of the ceremonies.

46:30 No, but some of our sacred areas they're off limits after the after the ceremonies. They're off limits usually because our belief is that the little people and the others come and do their ceremonies right after us. So nobody goes into those places following ceremony because they're left for the others to do theirs. So that's extremely interesting. I've also talked to an individual of the europe Try as well within the last year, and a lot of people will allude to that in so let's say, not exactly the Hoopa area, but like usually we're talking about like Bluff Creek, you know, the Patterson Gimlin film site, and they usually will allude to there's like these areas. Yeah, exactly, there's areas there where just people do not go and they're somehow related to you're saying, like to other people.

47:34 That's just the term I'm using to try to Yeah, yeah, more simplified. Yes, there's a place called the Go Road, which was a road that was you've heard of it, right, And that's actually in a very sacred area that was used by all of the surrounding tribes and in that particular area it is. And you know what's interesting is, you know, I had family who worked for us for service out that way who it was kind of a joke, I guess to have them go out and mark timber in the area. But it's a it can be a very eerie area. And we have rhododendron bushes, you know, lots which people usually get from a nursery and plant, but they're wild. They're a wild plant that grows all over the place in this particular area. And I've never been there. I mean I've been there, but I've never gotten out of my car and walked around in the woods.

48:34 But I'm told that you can clearly see that, you know, they actually like to kind of pile those bushes up and lay in them, like it looks like something lays in there. And the other thing is like that an odor, like you know, sometimes there's a very strong odor and it's really not a pleasant smell at all that you can say, oh, he's around. That's interesting as well, so you know exactly what I'm talking about. Then there's a lot of stuff I've actually cut out of interviews because I do I take this extremely seriously. And yeah, there's that area, that area around the Go road I think is I've never been there, but I feel like it's it's to be taken extremely seriously.

49:25 So that's that's cool to hear that from your side as well. I hear from a lot of people. They will say something to the effect of, you know, I saw it disappear, or I saw it fade away, or there's even accounts where it comes through an area. Is there anything that you've ever heard of that would that would kind of lend credence that where it's able to disappear or maybe travel to other places, other dimensions, anything like that. I haven't heard. I haven't heard that. I guess just on a personal basis, I've always suspected that they were inter dimensional beings because if they're so, if they were coming and participating in our ceremonies, and when I say, you know, each tribe will take a turn at doing a ceremony that's usually like forty people. So you know, I would be I would I would think that when they said that they participated in our ceremonies, that meant there were at least forty of them or more who would come right of all ages all age range. So the flip side of that is, you know, and hoopahs are sire pits in our traditional houses have been dated

50:58 back to ten to twelve thousand years, so we've been in the same place for that long. So where did they live? Right, Because there's no race of them living in any things. But when we're talking about having regalia, that all requires a certain process of you know, hand manipulation tool development. But I haven't heard, uh, you know, there's not a place that they live. And it was interesting because I was listening to another Bigfoot Cat podcast and that they had a medium on there who said she she's made contact with them to telepathically, right, and she one of the questions she asked them was you know, what do you miss most or what do you do you what do you what have you seen change? Or something about like what how has the world changed? And one of the things that supposedly the Bigfoot had told her telepathically, was that she missed he missed interacting with the tribes, with the native people. Oh wow, hmm, I thought that was very interesting.

52:16 Do you feel would you feel comfortable sharing how the Sasquatch is viewed in Hoopa tradition? Well, this is like I'm sixty years old, so i'm you know, I'm My grandparents were all you know, had served in World War One, which is you know, the age ranges between their kids. My mom was the youngest of the family. So oftentimes in terms of Bigfoot, this would this this is one of those things where it might be information helped family to family, so not necessarily everybody would have same story or have different stories about it.

53:03 And you know, I don't I don't think you know, we've never we don't really have stories of them being super destructive when except during the nineteen forties and fifties when you had active logging engaged and they didn't like people didn't even really talk about it. But the you know, they would leave their the logging equipment and the oil and drums and stuff up on the landing and they would come back after the weekend and find them all picked up and thrown over the bank, and lots of big footprints room and things like that, but nobody had any you know. The response to that, I guess would be like, well, he doesn't really want us to be here doing what we're doing, right, But nobody was ever like like hurt. And even my friend who said that when he saw look like an oranguting that he lived.

54:05 Him and his family lived kind of at the edge. They're the last house as you head out towards kind of the mountain area, towards the place called Horsemint, which is where settings have been occurred. Anyway, he said his dogs were barking, and they have They had a little Pomeranian that was just he was barking so hard that it wouldn't take a breath. So they thought it was bears, because it was not unusual to have a bear sniffing around at the smokehouse or whatever. So he went out there with his gun. He wasn't gonna kill the bear, he was just gonna shoot near it and scare it off.

54:51 So they went up there with his gun, and the little Pomeranian dog was barking at the bottom of this tree. All the big dogs we're all sitting on the porch not saying anything. They were probably sitting back waiting to become a snap. And he said, on the tree, he looked up to where it was looking there was this, he said. It was the color of an orangutan. And he goes, and I tried, I was trying to he knows, it was sitting on this branch, kind of squatting on this branch. And when you know, we have some pretty big trees, so when I say branch, the branch itself could have been the size of a tree, right, so so it's not like a small branch. This thing was kind of squatting on the branch and then it stood up, and he goes, and I was trying to get my gun to go in, and I ran in the house, and I thought somebody else has to seize besides me.

55:52 He goes, He you know, kind of backed up. But as he was backing up, he said, the thing jumped down. He said it was probably about a nine to twelve foot drop, jumped down on the ground and then ran down the embankment. And he said, it was, you know, very hairy. The hair on its arms was long and drapy, but it was orange color and he said, all I could get out was a rangu tang he was. He went into where his wife was and was like a rang a tang a rang and tank he was because my mind was not even wanting to work. Wow, And that was that was on the reservation. Yeah, but you know, that's the only one that I've actually heard was like there and he said it was just so I think his story actually ended up on the big Foot, you know, with Bobo or Bilbo ended up that.

56:49 Okay, that's very on one of those shows. Yeah, that's yeah. And but you know I knew him. I knew him. He's gone now, but I knew him really well. And you know, you like people who say these things, they are people who make it. They just they aren't exactly you know. So and you know when you when you are raised in the mountains, hunting, fishing, gathering, like you know, I used to go trout fishing and we were always walking around. And one of the things that I was taught about my grandfather was that you always sing, you know, our traditional songs or you know, make noise because you have to be talking so that the animals know where you are.

57:33 And that you don't run into a bear or you know, whether it's picking huckleberries or or mushrooms or whatever you're gathering, that you are making noise to make certain that the wilderness knows that you're there. And we've had, you know, hunters who have seen it, who have heard it and are like, this isn't the whooping, you know, Like my son heard the whoo whooping one night and he said it was it was big. They didn't wait for it. It was crashing through the woods and it was making those whooping sounds. And he called me in the middle of night. It was like two o'clock in the morning.

58:17 I don't know, one o'clock in the morning. I was already in bed, but I go to bed at nine, so I have no concept, you know. So he said that he goes, I will find the sound, because he was trying to imitate and he's like, I can't do it. And so then he found the sound and it came off of a the sound of a recording that happened in Washington state somewhere, and he said, this is the sound that was making And you know, our men in our area know the sound of every bird, like you know what a blue jay sounds like you know what a you know, a grouse sounds like, you know what a clowd sounds like. You know, you know what a whooppeper. So like, you know all the sounds around you and what the animals make. And so when you have someone who has those kind of experiences, who doesn't know the sound and you know, these are people who will walk miles by themselves, you know, might go hunting, you know, out where they have to hike in for five hours and are completely by themselves and are fine being in the wilderness alone. These aren't people who scare at the slightest thing.

59:28 How are. And you may not. It's I'm just going to ask it. So let's say you have the current generation of the Hoopa tribe being brought up right now. Are they taught to react to an interaction with a sasquatch in a certain way? No? Okay, No, I mean I think most of them would just leave the area, Like if they saw something, they would just leave, and they might tell us few friends, they might not tell everyone. I mean, I don't think we've had anyone with an iPhone be out there being recording.

1:00:08 I mean, one of the things is you know, when you're in the mountain, your iPhone's pretty much useless because there's no service. So unless you're just gonna take pictures, most of the time it's not with you. But I haven't heard of anyone recently having those kinds of experiences. These are all almost approaching twenty years now. Doesn't mean that they're not there, doesn't mean that they're not there. It's just that's you know, I think there's a certain amount of healthy respect for like, if you feel like you're being watched, you probably are, so you leave. Yeah, that makes sense. In have you ever heard anything where there was any there was a has there ever been like a form of communication between tribal members and sasquad, whether that's verbally or using you know, telepathic or anything.

1:01:06 I thought, I know, you know, when I was asking, like when my grandpa was telling us this about that they used to you know, he was always told that they used to come and participate in our ceremonies, it didn't we didn't think to ask, like was it talking like what language? I mean, because he's talking about a time what you know, a time where Hoopa people would only be speaking Hoopa. You know, our our language. And that's kind of the other interesting thing about our tribes is that you have Hoopa that's Athabascan, you have Uruk who's Algonquin. When I'm saying Atabascan in Algonquin, I mean language bases. And then you have the Kudak, who are ho Coon. So we we participated in each other's ceremonies, we intermarried, but we all spoke languages that were as foreign to each other as Chinese and French. So and there was no known sign language system. So we have to make the broad assumption that because we did intermary, that we were actually trilingual, which saved us. Saved us in the sense that the hoop of people were able to retain much of their aboriginal territory, not all of it, but much of it as a result of being able

1:02:37 to pick up English so fast and understanding what the soldiers were saying. So I would say, if in fact, the big Fits do speak a language that a long time ago, our ancestors probably spoke it with them, or they had some other form of communication. Makes sense. Are there any things you've ever heard of, like, well, there's there's some Sasquatch in this area, that have four toes as opposed to five, and you've really got to watch out for the four toes. Is that something that's present in the hoop of culture?

1:03:19 I personally have not heard that. That's not to say that they, you know, there aren't your stories like that, but I haven't heard that. That might just be a Prince of Wales clinket thing that I've heard, So okay, that's cool. And it might be the same being I don't know how many these. Things live true true, true true. Man. Wow, this is this is a really cool conversation. I love these because it is so extremely rare to be able to talk to someone like yourself who knows the ins and outs of the culture. So I appreciate you coming up and chatting for the little bit.

1:04:01 Yeah. Well I heard my friend there from obviously the Pacific Northwest, and I was like, yeah, I was really pleased. I get to go to Alaska and I get to eat some what they call black gold, which is a golden bearded seal blubber. That was absolutely delicious. That is very delicious. Yeah, good stuff. Hey, is this a conversation I can use for the podcast? Yeah? Absolutely, okay, cool. Would you also would you be able Would you mind sending me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. It would be cool if just if I have another question in the future, if you wouldn't mind, sure, I'd be happy. Okay, awesome. Thank you for coming up and chatting. I really appreciate it.

1:04:48 Yeah, thank you for having me on. I appreciate it. Good stuff. Oh, my goodness, that is incredible. That was an incredible conversation. Op. Hey, what's up? Hey? I was on earlier and I called my buddy to let him know that I shared this story with you. Okay. He reminded me about something I had long forgotten since this happened in the early nineties. But at the end of my story, I told you how my friend's dad wanted to get some stuff to cast the footprint we found, but he couldn't because it had rained when he was getting that stuff at that store. The people there recommended that they that he talked to the local wildlife the fishing game, and so in doing so, he started off with his story. I know you're gonna find it crazy, and the wildlife fishing game guy was like, let me guess you saw something walking through your property and he was like yeah, and he was like, yeah, we get a lot of that here in uh Helena, no Way. Yeah, so it was kind of cool but spooky. Yeah, but it was just an overall i mean, once in a lifetime experience type thing.

1:06:18 You know. That's incredible, that's very cool. Thank you for coming back up to share that. Yeah, I'm sorry I didn't remember earlier on me, but I mean it's been thirty some id years, you know. Oh, totally understandable. You know, that brings up a great play. I've never tried to contact fishing game departments, and I think I might put that on the list because sometimes I will randomly call places and ask and sometimes have some people. I mean I've talked to sheriff deputies in Tennessee and they've shared their sightings over the phone. It's crazy, so you never know.

1:07:02 Yeah, he was, he was doing it and the people with it. You know. At first thought he was going to start talking about a grizzly bearer, I guess because grizzy prevalent there in Montana, but no, it was the conversation turned real quick when he was like, let me guess you saw something stand up or walk or whatever. It was, However, the conversation went, but he was like, not surprised at all. Absolutely well man, thank you so much for coming up and for sharing that. I appreciate it. Thank you, thank you for listening to this episode of The Big Society Podcast.

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