Sept. 26, 2025

Hoopa Encounters! (and more!) | California

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Season 1

What happens when tribal memory meets modern encounters in the misty forests of Northern California? In this powerful episode, we delve into the sacred stories of the Hoopa tribe, featuring firsthand accounts from a tribal descendant who shares never-before-heard knowledge about how Bigfoot — known as “the one in charge of the mountains” — once danced in regalia alongside their ancestors.

We also hear gripping encounters from a law enforcement officer in Cumberland, Wisconsin haunted by childhood cries of “yummy, yummy,” a hunter’s brush with death in the hills of West Virginia, and chilling sightings from Montana to British Columbia. These are not just stories — they’re living truths passed down through generations and etched into personal memory.

If you’ve ever wondered what Bigfoot means to Native communities, what it’s like to stand 30 yards from one, or why entire regions go silent before something steps out of the trees... this episode will stay with you long after it ends.

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You're listening to bigflet Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us. Hey there, how's it going good.

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I lived with my grandmother when I was younger in

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the summertime in Cumberland, Wisconsin, and she we're Native American Ojibways,

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and we've always had stories of Bigfoot and.

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Stuff like that.

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So we were about eight of my cousins and I

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we were playing outside at night. I was already getting dark,

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and we were down probably about a block away from

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my grandmother's house, playing around in the woods done by swamp,

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and we started to hear something.

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At the time, it sounded like it was saying.

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Yummy, yummy, yummy, yummy, and we all stopped and we

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started listening, and it kept going, and then we heard

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another one off to our side, on the other side

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of us, and we started crying, and we took off,

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running back to my grandmother's house. And when we all

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got inside, all of us were crying.

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You know, we're like ten years old. And she comes.

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My grandmother comes out of the bedroom and, you know,

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ask why is everybody crying, And we tried to tell

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her that we heard somebody saying yummy, yummy, yummy to

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us and that's what scared us. And then you know,

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she kind of told us to knock it off, and

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we didn't hear anything like that.

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So, probably about thirty years later.

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I get into law enforcement and I go back to

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work in that area and another one of our tribal

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members reported hearing one and seeing one in her outside

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of our house. So naturally we went down and took

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the complaint, and probably about another month after that, one

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of the Bigfoot societies came around.

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And started to investigate that. Well.

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I happened to come across them.

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Down by done By a Lake.

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And I just I go down and say, hey, what's

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going on?

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What are you guys doing?

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Oh?

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We're part of the Bigfoot society here and we're here

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to investigate. Oh okay, So I kind of forgot about

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my experience and just kind of started listening to them,

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and one guy said, Hey, I got what recorded. Do

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you want to do? You want to hear it? So

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I humored them. I said, yeah, let me, I want

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to hear it. And the guy brought out his recorder

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and he started to play it, and right away it

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started to say yummy, yummy, yummy, the exact same thing

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I heard when I was ten years old, And right

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away it brought tears to my eyes and I kind

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of got choked up. And the guy could tell, and

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he asked me, you know, hey, what's going on?

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And I told him my story and he.

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Said, wow, that's I'm honest, honest to say that you

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probably did hear one that night.

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My goodness, that's incredible. So how many years between the

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two events do you think?

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So it had to be, like said when I was,

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I had to be eighty five ish when I when

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I heard the first when when we first heard that,

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and I started working for the police department in two

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thousand and two, it was probably two thousand and five

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when I came or when we had that tribal member reported,

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and then a month after that, that's when I met

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with the Bigfoot Society.

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That's incredible. I wonder if I wonder if that that

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was maybe the BFRO that was up there. Who knows,

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there could be some regional ones too. That's interesting. Thank

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you for sharing that that story. I appreciate you coming up.

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Is this a conversation I can use on my podcast?

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Sure, I've told you before. I've told it before the

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other cool to other people.

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So yeah, it's it's definitely something I'll never forget.

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Awesome. Well, thank you for coming up. I appreciate it.

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Thank you.

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Hey there, how are you pretty good?

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How you did? Hey?

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Great? What brings you up today?

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Well, you know what, I've come by your show here

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a couple of times, and you know, I'm kind of

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particular about who I want to talk to, you know

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what I mean, who I want to give my story to.

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So I'm kind of particular about that, and you look

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pretty good, so I thought, you know what, I'll get

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on here if you want to hear.

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It, Yeah, absolutely, go right ahead.

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So my story begins in around nineteen eighty four, before

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I knew anything. I mean, you know, I'd seen big

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Foot books when I was a kid and all that.

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But I'm fifty seven. Just to give you an idea

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how the am.

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But so.

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In nineteen eighty four, we're up in West Virginia and

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we're in this trailer that we're living in, my mother,

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he and my brother and our next door neighbor, and

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we just hear this lady screaming in the woods. I mean,

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it's just rattling the trailer and we're like, what is

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going on? So we opened up the door of the

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trailer that had a back door on. It didn't have

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any stairs or whatever, but it was right back, backed

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up against the hill. And this is important to remember,

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by the way. So we are backed up against the hill,

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the setting is on the side of a mountain, and

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there's no houses behind us, but there are houses beside us.

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And this is up in the Appalachians, so you know, so, yeah,

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this thing is screaming and we're thinking it's a woman

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being killed. And it sounded so much like what you

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would think that would sound like. That's but it was very,

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very very loud, and so we shut the door, loaded

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up all of our guns, put one of each of

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the doors, and you know, I called up my stepdad

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at the time. It was like, hey, you know, what's

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going on up here? And they're claiming it's a lion,

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it's of this or that or whatever. But you know,

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we're still scared. And that's that. So after that night,

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nothing happened. We did walk in the woods the next

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day to look to see if we could find something

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up there. There was nothing. So that was nineteen eighty four.

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We didn't know what that was. Who knows, but later

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on we I did put two and two together and

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we figured this out. But so nineteen eighty six, this

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is a couple of years later, and this is just

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so you guys have an idea too. This is around

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the Morgantown area, up in the up in the mountains,

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but I won't give any specifics. So we're pulling up

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this October, cool October evening, just before sundown, and I

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told my stepdad, Hey, I'm gonna run up on the hill.

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We had this hill up there as a flat field

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on top of this mountain that we live below, and

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there was enough the sun was up high enough and

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it was up high enough that you could still hunt

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that for a good half hour or so before, you know,

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or maybe at even an hour. Anyway, I got out

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of the truck. I was gonna run up the hill.

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I didn't have anything with me. I wasn't armed or nothing.

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But I went walking up the hill, and you know,

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going up there at a fairly quick pace, I guess

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you could say. And I was just trying to get

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up there so that I could get back to my

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house if I saw any thing. And so as I

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walk up this hill, I start as I'm getting up

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the top of the hill, so as you know, as

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a hill caps off right, it starts to get flat

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on top right. So I see this head, this huge

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hairy head, and since I'm looking uphill, I'm looking at,

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you know, the head of this thing. And so I

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walk up a few more feet so that I can

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see more of it, because I'm curious at this point

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what this is. And then it just stops me in

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my tracks. I can see the shoulders, I could see

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the I could see the hair glinting in the sun,

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you know, playing as day. I didn't see any ears

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on it. As people have asked me that before, I

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didn't see any years it had real I mean manicured

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hair as opposed to some of the other bigfoot things

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you see where they're all hairy and dirty and all that.

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This thing was groomed and it was like an athlete.

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It was built kind of like that from what I

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could see now at this point, now this is all

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going down real quick, I had a fear come over

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me that I have never experienced in my life since then.

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It was a fear that I couldn't even explain. And

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so I was remember looking at it, thinking, do not

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turn around. This is what I'm thinking to myself while

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I'm staying there in dire straits, if you will with fear,

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I'm thinking, do not turn around and look at me,

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because I will have a heart attack right here on

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the ground, right here on the spot. And I was

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sixteen years old by there by the way at this time,

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and I'm thinking I'm going to be just have a

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heart atta. This thing turned around, and luckily it kept

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walking away, and when I realized it took another step

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going the other direction. That's when I turned around and

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hauled butt down the hill as fast as I could

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go ran down the hill, and that was my first

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experience ever seeing a sasquatch, and so I know they're

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all real, that's for sure. Yeah, there's no doubt about that.

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Now I'll wind up here a little bit on it.

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So I contacted a couple of people that lived on

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that hill years later, and one of the girls that

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lived up there on that hill told me a story

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where she said that she was right behind my house

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on that hill picking blackberries, and she said, my mother

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had walked off to go take a piss, and she goes,

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I turned, I was picking blackberries, and then I just

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looked up. Here's a sasquatch looking right at me, she said.

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And it had to have been the same one that

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that I'm assuming that I saw on that hill. And

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this was around nineteen eighty six, so the same timeframe.

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And she said, tears just started pouring down my face

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because I was so scared. And she said, I turned

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around to look where my mother was at because you know,

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she was so frightened, and she said, I turned back

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around and it was gone. That is really weird, right,

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it just gone.

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That is some wild stuff. So, regarding the first sighting

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that you had, how far away was that from you?

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Again, it was probably about thirty yards It wasn't very farful.

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Yeah, that's just over tennis court away, that's not.

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Yeah it was.

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Yeah, it was about like that about a tennis court. Yeah. Yeah,

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it wasn't very far at all. And like I said,

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the sun was shining on that hill and the the

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I guess the clarity that I had of the sun

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gleaning off the fur or the hair, it was like hair.

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It wasn't fur. It looked like hair. I agree with

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a lot of other people when they say that, uh

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but yeah, but this one was groomed and uh, it

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just it just it didn't look like so many other

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big foots that I see on TV. So that's when

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you know, when you look around you're looking at all

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these videos, you're like, man, that's not exactly what I saw,

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But that looks pretty authentic, you know, right, So you

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know there's something going on there. I don't know exactly

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what's going on with that, but hey, I got more

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some more story for you here. Now. Not that I'm

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not that I'm a sasquatch magnet, because I'm not. But

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if you're in the right place at the right time, unfortunately,

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some stuff is probably gonna happen. So wind this up

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to two thousand and eight, and I'm living in Texas.

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This is I grew up here as well, and I'm

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out in East Texas and I'm hogging in the dark.

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So I've got all CAMEO on and all that. Now,

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I didn't have all the camera on because I was

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trying to hide my body in the dark. But all

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those out there in the dark as the summer, this

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is just each You're alive. So yeah, so I'm really

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covered up for that. And I have a starlight scope

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with me on a seventeen hm R. Now, if you

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know what a seventeen hm R is, that's really not

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a very powerful round for you know, big game or

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anything like that. Is for all small game. Now, I

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had been shooting hogs with it and just having fun.

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So I did have a three O eight with me

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as well, but it only had a regular scope on it,

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and I had a pig light out there about seventy

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yards away where I could see in the dark with

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the three O eight, So I could actually shoot a

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three O eight in the dark with the regular scope.

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But seventeen HMR on the other hand, with a starlight

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scope on it, you know Raccoonville, right, I mean it's

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just not a very big ground. But anyway, I'm in

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this tree and it's real quiet. Man. It just got

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real quiet, the same thing you hear from other stories

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about hunters out there. I mean, everything shut up. The

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cricket shut up, the mouse is quit moving. All the

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racket noise that I have that had been around me

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earlier that night had just shut up everything. And I

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was like, well, that's kind of weird. And then I

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hear this tree explode. I mean, just like a wooden tree,

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like a tree that I the tree that I could

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picture in my head was like an old tree just

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being bent over and then just exploding. And you would

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have thought I would have been scared, but I wasn't.

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I was like, what, I actually remember thinking to myself, Well,

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I guess trees do make noise when no one's around.

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Of course I'm there, but you know what I mean,

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You get the point right, absolutely. So I'm still up

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in the tree and I'm looking around trying to figure

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out why that tree just exploded when everything was completely

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silent and quiet, and it wasn't very far from me.

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It was probably fifty yards from me. So I've just

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sit there in the tree. You know what else. I'm

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there to hunt hogs, you know. That's what I'm doing.

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That's what I'm thinking, is running around out there. I

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don't know what just happened to that tree. And behind me,

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I hear something and I'm in a by the way,

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I'm in a tree stand to say, you know, I'm

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in a tree stand about twelve feet off the ground,

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and it's a two man tree stand, so I got

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a little bit of leeway to walk around on this platform.

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So I hear something behind me, and I'm thinking, oh, man,

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hog's gonna walk in on me. That's cool. I just

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killing right here. You're right in front of me. And

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uh so I'm waiting and waiting and waiting and it

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never comes out, and I'm thinking, what why I did

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not walk That's really weird. I did throw some corn

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and stuff out there in front of my tree stand,

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just for giggles, just to in case some hog did

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come through there, it would stop maybe and I would

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get a chance to pop it, you know. Anyway, so

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I decided to stand up in my tree stand and

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I turned around and I turned that starlight scope on

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and I looked down straight beside me on the ground

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and I see this human like body laid out completely

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flat on the ground, but its hands were like tucked

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underneath it, and its feet were straight up and down.

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It was like and you would have thought I was

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freaking it. I would have freaked out singing this, but

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I didn't. I didn't know what it was. Now, when

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you have a starlight scope, a lot of guys on

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them these days, so they know what they look like.

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It's a green, black and yellow kind of maybe some

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white sometimes, uh, but every this whole this thing that

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I was looking at was not very big. It was

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only about six and a half maybe seven feet tall.

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It wasn't very big, but it but it was real round.

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It had a real round gut on it. And now

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at this point when I'm looking at this, I am

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wondering what it is. And I'm not just gonna shoot

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something that I don't know what it is, right, So uh,

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I just I remember I sat back down in my

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seat and I'm thinking, what was that? And I'm thinking, well,

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let me take another look. So I stand back up,

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I got my scopes already on. I looked back at

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there again, and it had moved all the way up

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against the tree and it had its head if you

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could pitchre this, it had its neck butted up against

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the bottom of the tree and it had reached up

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and it was holding on to this branch. And the

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branch come all the way up to where I was.

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It was a real small little branch, it was only

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it wasn't even a half inch thick, but it was

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real long, and it came up that twelve feet where

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I was at, and it started waving that branch with

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his hand. And mind you, there's no noise, there's no wind,

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no nothing, but that branch is waving now in front

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of my face. And now you would have thought I

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would have just been shooting like a wild man or whatever,

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but I didn't. At this point, I'm thinking, what is that?

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But that was about the same time I was fixing

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the stand back up and looked back down there, which

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I did do, and that's how I could see it

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what it was doing. And you would you know, once again,

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you would have thought i'd have freaked out when been shooting,

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but I didn't. I still didn't know what it was.

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I still didn't know if it was a man that

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was effing with me or something else. And I didn't

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think it was a man, I'm out here on private land,

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you know. So I just sit back down in the

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seat and it backs back out. I hear it back

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back out and it walks off, and that that was

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my East Texas. I'm gonna call it a sasquatch and

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we I don't know what else to call it, but

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uh yeah, that how you would Yeah what else would

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you call that? Uh?

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Yeah?

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Surprisingly, yeah, I had heard some noises out there. I'm

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not I was at the time. I wasn't familiar with

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sasquatch calls, you know, like the whoops and stuff, But

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I had heard some of those noises out there. I

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had taken, ah, just for giggles, I had taken a

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one of those old satellite dishes that you get like

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for like Dish TV, and I put a recorder on

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the end of it, at the end where normally a

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signal would be coming through, and I knew that sound

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would bounce off of that and hit that hit that thing,

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and dude, I picked up I picked up all kinds

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of crazy nons out there in those woods. That works

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really good. So yeah, VIDI we got you know, good

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fans on here. You guys want to do something on

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the cheap but works. Use one of those little satellite dishes,

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put a recorder on the end of that thing, and

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you'll be surprised what you'll catch.

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Absolutely, that's a good idea. It's making your own parabolic

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pretty much.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, on the cheap man.

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Yeah.

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So but that was my East Texas story.

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Uh.

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You know. I I'm not out there currently seeking out

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sasquatch or anything like that, but I do keep up online.

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I pay attention to what's going on, or at least

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I try to.

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Well, man, you've had some you've had some really cool

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encounters over there, because I appreciate you coming up and

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sharing those. Is this a conversation I can use on

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a Bigfoot podcast I have?

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Yeah, you bet?

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All right, Well, thanks for coming up, man.

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Yeah, no problem, Thanks for inviting me on.

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Hello GI.

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How are you?

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Oh, I'm good.

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How are you doing?

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Can I doing great? What brings you up today?

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Well?

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I had some questions first and then my story, if

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that's all right with you? Okay, So where is the

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majority of in the United States the most sightings at

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well or encounters. Let's see, I would say you have

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a I mean, there's a few few things let me

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bring my map up here. You're going to have, of course,

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a better chance if you're do you know where that

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like the cascades are that go up from on the

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Pacific Northwest over there? Yes, that's where a ton of

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reports I get are following that cascade range. Right, there's

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a ton of reports in Ohio, in Pennsylvania, believe it

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or not. East Texas is a pretty big hotspot in

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northern Georgia, eastern Tennessee, southern Missouri. I mean it's almost

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like ask where where not to go? The Midwest and

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the bratt the like central Midwest can get pretty spares,

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but your Pacific Northwest, Like, if you had one shot

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to try to go to a place, I would say

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Placamus County, Oregon or Pierce County, Washington.

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Okay, so look that up.

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So my tale goes all the way back to ninety

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two when I was sixteen and our neighbors were really

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good friends, like I grew up, you know, with my

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friend and his parents were real close with my parents

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and stuff. And they decided to move to Montana and

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they bought this big plot of land and my friend's

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dad was kind of like an off the gritter type guy,

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and that was the plan them. So the first summer

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or not some sort not summer, it was the first

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hunting season that they had while they were there, they

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invited us to come stay with them. So my parents

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and I we packed up from Texas and we went

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up there, and we had penned to spend two weeks

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up there, and so we all the boys, all the men,

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go off hunting this one day. So we're in this

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big area that's pretty rushy and tree covered. Stuff I

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had never seen being here in Texas. And there's this

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trail that the dad described as having a lot of

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deer come through.

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So we're there.

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Setting up these makeshift lines and it's about them maybe

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one hundred yards away from the football our football field

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away from where the trail is, and we hadn't seen

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anything like all evening, it was starting to get kind

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of late, and then finally at the very end when

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it was just going to become nightfall and we had

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to stop, this thing comes lumbering through that we can

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see from where our blind is at, and we got

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scared because we thought it was a bear. And right

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before it gets into the brush, because it was quadrupreed,

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it turned into biped. It stood up and literally just

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looked at us and moved off into the brush and

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the trees and stuff. And we were scared. We didn't

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know what to do, and my dad was like, we

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should investigate it. We were sixteen and fifteen. We didn't

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want it to go. But right before we took a

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few steps forward, you just heard these two loud knocks,

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like what everyone describes as like trees getting hit, and

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then every animal in the forest you could say, he

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just ran out of nowhere.

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And that was it.

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And we went.

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The following morning and we found the tracks of this

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I'm assuming Sasquatch, I want to say it, and.

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They were there.

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They were as real as day, but where we were

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at it was very rural, so he had to wait

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because he wanted to make a cast. And by the

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time we got back with supplies like the next day

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and stuff there in that, I guess that part of

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Montana was real rainy, so there wasn't anything left for

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us to do with it. But that was Yeah, that

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was my introduction to Sasquatch at sixteen.

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That's wild. What part of Montana was that?

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In Helena?

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I believe that's Lena. Oh sure, yeah, let me look up.

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I'm just curious. Okay, well yeah that is uh let's see.

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And I had never spoken to anyone about this, but

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when I found your TikTok, I was like, you know,

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maybe I should tell this story.

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Well, I appreciate you coming up. That's that's a huge

466
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deal to share something like that for the first time.

467
00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:25.839
Thank you.

468
00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:27.599
Oh, you're welcome.

469
00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:31.039
I appreciate your time. And I'm really interested in everyone

470
00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:33.720
that comes on in their encounters as well. See if

471
00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:36.359
there's anything similar to like what occurred with me.

472
00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:41.559
Absolutely, is this a conversation I can use on I

473
00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:43.279
have a big foot podcast or.

474
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:50.119
Oh yeah, yeah, you can use it for sure.

475
00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:53.880
Okay, awesome, awesome, Well yeah, definitely feel free to hang

476
00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:57.680
out and you should. You should start learning a lot

477
00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:00.680
of stuff from other people's encounters. But yeah, thank you

478
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:03.000
for being here. Man, all righty, thank you, have a

479
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:04.680
great night, you two.

480
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:12.519
Ronnie alec here again, Ronnie, how are you? Oh?

481
00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:16.160
Pretty good. I'm from Burns Dake, BC here. I've been

482
00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:18.000
trying to get ahold of you last week.

483
00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:18.400
Here.

484
00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:22.559
I have three sidings that I want to talk about.

485
00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:29.640
One was way up at fifty Helen Lake about fifteen

486
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:34.480
years ago, when me and my dad took him up there.

487
00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:39.000
He was talking about old stuff and sat well coming

488
00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:42.680
back down, and then all of a sudden, already in

489
00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:45.119
about forty feet.

490
00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:47.119
From us, he just about got on the road.

491
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:54.680
You can see his brown hair just he turns, swung around,

492
00:26:55.240 --> 00:27:02.440
walked back in the bush and from there that we

493
00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:06.400
couldn't believe it at first, But that's not the first time.

494
00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:12.200
The second time when I was about ten years ago

495
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:16.759
coming back from Babbin Lake at arnis landing about eleven

496
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:19.680
miles from Burns Lake. Here you go up to Babbin

497
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:26.200
Road and right there, that was in May. It was

498
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:31.079
about seven o'clock, seven thirty sunset, and I was coming

499
00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:36.759
around the corner and right there I couldn't believe. I

500
00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:40.000
just turned right there and right in front, probably about

501
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:47.160
good forty feet fifty and I stopped right there, and

502
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:51.079
then this thing had a long hair, probably about ten

503
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:56.920
feet And that was ten years ago, and he just

504
00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:00.839
went right across, and it just gave me the chills.

505
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:06.880
And I can't believe. Nobody won't something like that. Nobody

506
00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:12.480
won't believe you. So all that time and then that

507
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:18.279
same place. And I tell you, he went across and

508
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:21.440
I stopped working, went across still. I got the goods

509
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:25.160
pumps from that thing, and he just went across like

510
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:30.279
in probably about eight ten steps, and then he was

511
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:32.680
a gone, and how fast he went.

512
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:38.880
And then that same place about five years ago.

513
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:44.960
Coming down, not coming down, but me and my friend

514
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:48.960
making woods there, and both of us who had changed

515
00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:54.759
are going cutting woods, and all of a sudden we

516
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:57.839
chopped two trees down and we're cutting away in that

517
00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:03.200
same area and right behind, yes, and man, you can

518
00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:07.839
hear that, And all of a sudden, I told my

519
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:11.759
I stopped myself and I told my friend to stop

520
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:15.799
his And I tell you their echo I can hear

521
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:19.240
is that. I can hear the dad, I can hear

522
00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:23.039
the mom, and we can hear the little one. They're

523
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:28.759
all just warning us, like they gave us the good spump.

524
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:34.559
You can hear their echo from quite a ways, quite away.

525
00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:37.359
And then I told my buddy, I said, this is

526
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:40.640
the same area where I say that let's get out

527
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:41.119
of here.

528
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:42.720
And load those fireworks up.

529
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:48.160
Will never ever move quick in our life that time

530
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:50.240
they gave us a good spump.

531
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:51.440
And that's a second time.

532
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:59.599
And then last three weeks ago another incident happened was

533
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:05.200
my my niece's husband. They were supposed to meet them

534
00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:09.720
down in uh Noranda Landing in grand Isle past grand

535
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:14.519
Isle at the old fort there they were supposed to

536
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:19.920
meet his father, and that was three weeks ago. Instead

537
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:23.799
of they were heading the right direction, but there was

538
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:26.240
a turn off up to the left we go to

539
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:31.359
grand Isle, BC and then up towards Fort by Being

540
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:36.799
And once there they got on the road and they

541
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:43.119
were heading down to Smethers Landing instead. And then right

542
00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:48.880
there there about a mile I guess down that smeters landing,

543
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:56.079
they heard some big steps footsteps, so they stopped and

544
00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:00.400
they looked over to their left and right there he

545
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:05.079
was looking at them. They got the goosebumps. They're never

546
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:09.480
ever going to look like they. You know, until this day,

547
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:14.240
nobody won't believe what's happening around our area here in

548
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:19.799
Burns Lake and Babin Lake. So there's lots of sidings

549
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:24.039
and they found the fish and wildlife. When they've seen

550
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:28.400
that bickfoot and they have the fish and wildlife, they

551
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:32.000
said that you're not the only ones. There's three people

552
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:37.799
of total of you seeing that Bickfoot around in Smanners

553
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:38.640
Landing area.

554
00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:43.240
So yeah, it's there's.

555
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:47.039
Quite a few around here that you know, there's a

556
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:51.640
lot of loggings and and a lot of things that's

557
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:57.000
happening around here, lots of things, and especially in Babin Lake.

558
00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:02.559
My friend also they were out fishing around and then,

559
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:08.480
uh that was about eight years ago, and his cousin

560
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:14.880
was taking a video on his phone. Besold this beautiful

561
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:19.920
and calm, and then all of a sudden he turned

562
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:25.480
around his back and taking the video Richard, look what's

563
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:31.079
that coming? Waves coming towards them. And then with in

564
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:37.839
three seconds, he went underneath their the Alumimum boat and

565
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:41.799
I tell you he just just about fell off the boat,

566
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:48.759
both of them. And then right there he video on

567
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:53.480
the whole thing. The phone fell off his hands and

568
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:58.000
into the boat, and then they turned around. That motor

569
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:03.279
just ripped that thing right out his back behind and

570
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:08.160
they were looking at the big huge tail was going

571
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:12.519
back down as the probably they said about at least

572
00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:20.359
about somewhere around ten feet, and it just ripped the

573
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:25.200
motor out. So they had to paddle to Bear Island

574
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:31.440
that same Babbin Lake area, and they found fish and

575
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:35.079
wildlife and our same peak. They came out to pick

576
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.960
them up and they told him the whole story, and

577
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:43.880
they showed the footage to the phone. But there's lots

578
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:46.920
of things happening around here in Burns Lake and Babbin

579
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:49.759
Lake area, so there's lots of silence.

580
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:53.960
That last one. You're saying that was a big foot

581
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:54.440
in the water.

582
00:33:55.440 --> 00:34:01.559
No, No, this was, oh, this was whatever was. And

583
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:07.200
babby In Lake they were, they'll talk to you about it.

584
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:12.440
It's their tail is so white, probably about something like

585
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:18.360
ten feet wide. When under underneath their boat and ripped

586
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:23.360
the motor off the aluminument boat and it just went

587
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:27.679
flying up and into the lake and they don't know

588
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:28.440
what it was.

589
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:31.400
Okay, so you might have some sort of lake monster

590
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:32.000
in that lake.

591
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:33.320
Then, yeah.

592
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:37.679
And then three years ago we had a derby going

593
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.559
down here and dance landing and bobbing lake. Me and

594
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:45.400
a wife went across, had a ten pound line on

595
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:49.000
that and my wife started screaming And now all of

596
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:51.559
a sudden look back and sees the rod was just

597
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:55.480
really bending down. So I stopped the motor and I

598
00:34:55.599 --> 00:35:00.360
grabbed the fishing rot from her, and I tell you,

599
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:04.559
I cannot reil that thing in. It's just like twenty

600
00:35:04.639 --> 00:35:09.480
pound line and it's just like going out with it

601
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:14.440
within seven minutes half of the line and then just

602
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:19.239
broke right out. There's lots of things happening around I

603
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:20.760
mean lake and BC.

604
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:21.760
Here, so.

605
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:24.960
Lots of sidings.

606
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:30.159
So if people want, they want to know about where

607
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:34.599
they can find Bigfoot or whatever it is in the

608
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:38.119
lake too, So there's something going on.

609
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:39.639
But there you go.

610
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:45.239
I appreciate you coming up and sharing your accounts. These

611
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:48.199
are incredible and we've never heard from this area of

612
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:49.679
British Columbia before.

613
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:53.840
Yeah, yeah, you guys are you know you want to

614
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:58.639
send some people up here to do some some really

615
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:02.920
own do whatever over that uh there, you guarantee you

616
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:09.119
guys will find something, especially up in Talban Lake when

617
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:12.800
you can't even see the bottom when you go out

618
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:18.920
camping when we want up shopping. We wound up fine

619
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:22.079
with the helicopter and we can't even see the bottom

620
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:27.800
in Talban Lake. And also our elders they used to

621
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:33.199
set a net up there and you know one day

622
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:35.239
the next day they were trying to take the net

623
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:39.440
out so long that whatever it is, it just wrapped

624
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:44.360
right around it. They just lit gold and like with

625
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:50.920
the elders, they say that underneath the lake between talban

626
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:54.719
Auger Lake Babine Lake and goes out to the ocean

627
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:59.400
and it's all connected. That's what they were saying. And

628
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:05.239
we believe you that because underneath that there's whatever that's

629
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:09.599
out there. We have so much of people learn to

630
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:14.400
talk about it, but not you know, nobody can't believe

631
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:14.960
our story.

632
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:18.239
That's what's happening around in our area.

633
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:23.280
Here we see Bronnie. I appreciate you coming up. Do

634
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:26.679
you mind if I use this conversation in a bigfoot

635
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:27.559
podcast that I have.

636
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:31.639
Sure you can ask these boys to it about three

637
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:34.199
weeks ago when they seen this pitfoot. There's a lot

638
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:37.239
of people. You can ask the fish and wildlife here

639
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:41.599
in Smithers that they reported the sidings where they're seeing

640
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:42.840
these this speckfoot.

641
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:45.159
So there's more than three people.

642
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:49.960
So you're so hold on. You're saying, if I look

643
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:56.400
up Smithers fish and Wildlife in British Columbia, Yeah, it's

644
00:37:56.440 --> 00:38:00.440
that I'm trying to look for. As the town of Smithers.

645
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:09.400
Es Smethers PC, it's Buckley Valley and and Smethers Landing

646
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:16.760
and football being are connected in that area. You can

647
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:20.159
talk to these people too if you want to, I can.

648
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.519
We can arrange that and you know they'll all come

649
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:28.039
out and talk about it. And because there's a lot

650
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:32.440
of story about whatever that people out there are talking about,

651
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:37.639
it's real. There's definitely no doubt about it. There's lots

652
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:43.400
of bickfoot, different kind of animals out there that they're

653
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:44.119
talking about.

654
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:47.039
It's true. So I.

655
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:52.239
Believe it myself because I experienced it. I seen it

656
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:57.960
and how they move, and I'll tell you this is

657
00:38:58.280 --> 00:38:59.760
what you have to believe.

658
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:01.159
People are saying.

659
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:04.920
So many of them out there, different kinds, colors, and

660
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:09.960
this one with our clock long hair, and we have

661
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:17.440
tracks sometimes wherever we go hunt out there and in

662
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:23.360
October we see tracks. So there's lots of ideas, no

663
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:27.119
doubt about it. So be nice if you guys can

664
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:32.320
talk to us and we'll tell you the whole true story.

665
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:36.519
That's what people are saying out there. So for you,

666
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:39.199
Thank you, Thank you, Ronnie.

667
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:40.400
I appreciate it.

668
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:44.559
Thank you, Ronny alec So from Ursick. We see Nick

669
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:45.760
babbin Wyone.

670
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:49.679
Very good. Hey, well we'll chat later. Thank you so much.

671
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:52.760
For coming up thank you, Thank you for listening.

672
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:57.800
Yes, sir, okay, oh my goodness. That's and that's that's

673
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:02.719
a conversation. That's why do this live. If you're able

674
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:08.039
to come up, Jill, I'd love to talk to you.

675
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:12.840
I hear that you are related to the hoop a tribe.

676
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:15.400
Hi there, how are you Hi?

677
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:19.880
Sorry? I just was having some technical difficulties with my thumbs.

678
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:25.079
Oh, no problem.

679
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:32.000
Yeah. They those people used to participate in our ceremonies

680
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:35.440
many many, many many years ago before my grandfather was born.

681
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:38.840
He was born in nineteen oh nine or nineteen oh six,

682
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:44.719
and he's long got since gone, but he talked about

683
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:48.400
the stories that he was told as a child, that

684
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:52.400
you know, those people used to participate in our ceremonies.

685
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.280
And the way, if anyone's been to Hoopa, the way

686
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:58.360
our ceremonies work is, you know, Hoop is located in

687
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:01.960
northern California, so we're at the bottom of kind of

688
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:10.079
like the Pacific Northwest, and our ceremonies are shared by

689
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:18.079
the three tribes Hoopa, Iraq, and Kadok, and they are

690
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:24.800
when our seminaries happen, usually especially our healing ceremonies. The

691
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:28.239
Hoopa dance, then the the Uruk dance, and then the

692
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:33.599
Kadok dance. So they each take a turn. And at

693
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:36.920
one point these people also used to participate and take

694
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:40.679
a turn, and they also had regalia that they would bring.

695
00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:45.480
But there was a disagreement at some point and they

696
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:47.760
took their stuff and said that they wouldn't be back

697
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:54.000
with us because of this disagreement. And I will say

698
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:59.920
his name many many men, which means kind of loose

699
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.679
translated means he's the one in charge of the lids

700
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:04.159
or the mountains.

701
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:10.280
Oh my goodness, I love that. That's incredible. That's so cool.

702
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:17.639
He's not seen necessarily as a bad person. And of course,

703
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:20.440
you know, family and friends have seen him. I've never

704
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.920
been so fortunate as to see him. I would love to.

705
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:29.920
But you know the Tuley River tribe, which is more

706
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:35.039
kind of so central, you know, probably about seven eight

707
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:39.920
hours away south of Hoopa, it's they have they actually

708
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:44.400
have picked uh petroglyphs with a good, a good bigfoot,

709
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:47.039
and a bad bigfoot. So the red eyes and when

710
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:50.880
I say bad, they're the unkind ones. They have red

711
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:52.400
eyes and then the others have yellow.

712
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:59.440
Oh really yeah, Oh wow, Okay, So that's interesting because

713
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:04.519
I've so I've taken a lot of encounters and those

714
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.280
are things that come up. It's either red or yellow eyes.

715
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:10.639
So you're saying there's a distinction between if they're good

716
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:13.440
or bad going off of what type of eyes they have.

717
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.840
Well, yes, that's what I've been told. That's not our story.

718
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:22.639
That's not our Hoopa stories. That's the Tully River that's there.

719
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:30.880
That's their stories, which is kind of interesting, right, it's

720
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:31.800
very interesting.

721
00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:34.280
I've talked to who did I talk to? I talked

722
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:39.599
to Bear from who is I'm trying to remember the current.

723
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:44.239
It's not medicine man anymore. It's like a spiritual leader.

724
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:49.559
Apologies I'm saying it wrong, but he was involved with

725
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:54.119
the Tuley River tribe and he had some really interesting

726
00:43:54.400 --> 00:44:00.119
things going on down there. So when you say that

727
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:05.880
they used to be there with regalia, can you can

728
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.719
you explain what that means?

729
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:13.159
So for us, Well, so you see my picture there,

730
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:16.079
and we have a lot of we use a lot

731
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:23.000
of abalone shells, dentalium shells, which are like the mollusks

732
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:28.159
right that grow along the Pacific Northwest, and I'm assuming

733
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:31.360
pinets like pinetts are kind of a big thing these days,

734
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:33.119
but a long time ago it was like a poor

735
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:40.440
man's bead, So i'm I would think, And we also

736
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:44.719
used a lot of palliated woodpecker hits, scalps, and a

737
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:49.760
lot of our regalia along with our otter and mink hides,

738
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:54.280
So I would assume that when they said that they

739
00:44:54.400 --> 00:45:00.480
also owned regalia, it was probably very similar to to ours.

740
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:05.159
So they had pelt beaver, not beaver, well, maybe beaver belts,

741
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:11.559
but pelts from mink and otters, and probably had things

742
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:15.480
with decorated with abaloni and other types of shells. And

743
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:20.280
you know, I'm just making an extrapolation here.

744
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:23.519
I mean, yeah, absolutely, I have no idea.

745
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:25.320
What kind of regalia he had, but if it was

746
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:32.039
the same same thing, and that's kind of like certain

747
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:36.599
people hold regalia. So like our white deer skins, you know,

748
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:39.559
are out by no deerskins there these We're actually in

749
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:42.639
the middle of our world reninal ceremonies right now. We

750
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:45.679
just finished our white deerskin dance and are going to

751
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:47.239
be getting ready to do the jump dance.

752
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:52.840
Is it okay if I ask you a few questions?

753
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:58.280
Sure, okay for you for yours? So I'm really excited about.

754
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:07.480
So I've interviewed a few a few different First Nations

755
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:18.119
people and they all have stories about how sometimes they

756
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:23.159
will show up on the edge of ceremonies, sometimes when

757
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:26.639
there's there's drums involved. Have you ever heard that as well,

758
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:29.559
Like they will show up on the edges of the ceremonies.

759
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:35.800
No, but some of our sacred areas they're off limits

760
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:40.920
after the after the ceremonies. They're off limits usually because

761
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:43.760
our belief is that the little people and the others

762
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:49.000
come and do their ceremonies right after us. So nobody

763
00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:53.000
goes into those places following ceremony because they're left for

764
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:54.320
the others to do theirs.

765
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:59.239
So that's extremely interesting. I've also talked to an individual

766
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:02.199
of the europe Try as well within the last year,

767
00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:07.639
and a lot of people will allude to that in

768
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:12.599
so let's say, not exactly the Hoopa area, but like

769
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:16.360
usually we're talking about like Bluff Creek, you know, the

770
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:19.679
Patterson Gimlin film site, and they usually will allude to

771
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:24.239
there's like these areas. Yeah, exactly, there's areas there where

772
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:28.599
just people do not go and they're somehow related to

773
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:32.239
you're saying, like to other people.

774
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.360
That's just the term I'm using to try to Yeah, yeah,

775
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:44.079
more simplified. Yes, there's a place called the Go Road,

776
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.239
which was a road that was you've heard of it, right,

777
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:51.920
And that's actually in a very sacred area that was

778
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:54.880
used by all of the surrounding tribes and in that

779
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:58.800
particular area it is. And you know what's interesting is,

780
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:02.519
you know, I had family who worked for us for

781
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:06.639
service out that way who it was kind of a joke,

782
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:09.320
I guess to have them go out and mark timber

783
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:11.679
in the area. But it's a it can be a

784
00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:17.760
very eerie area. And we have rhododendron bushes, you know,

785
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:21.079
lots which people usually get from a nursery and plant,

786
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:23.920
but they're wild. They're a wild plant that grows all

787
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:29.519
over the place in this particular area. And I've never

788
00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:31.559
been there. I mean I've been there, but I've never

789
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:34.119
gotten out of my car and walked around in the woods.

790
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:37.599
But I'm told that you can clearly see that, you know,

791
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:41.559
they actually like to kind of pile those bushes up

792
00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:44.920
and lay in them, like it looks like something lays

793
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:48.760
in there. And the other thing is like that an odor,

794
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:53.039
like you know, sometimes there's a very strong odor and

795
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:59.360
it's really not a pleasant smell at all that you

796
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:01.159
can say, oh, he's around.

797
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:05.840
That's interesting as well, so you know exactly what I'm

798
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:08.000
talking about. Then there's a lot of stuff I've actually

799
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:10.920
cut out of interviews because I do I take this

800
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:17.159
extremely seriously. And yeah, there's that area, that area around

801
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:20.440
the Go road I think is I've never been there,

802
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:23.159
but I feel like it's it's to be taken extremely seriously.

803
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:27.599
So that's that's cool to hear that from your side

804
00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:31.519
as well. I hear from a lot of people. They

805
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:34.480
will say something to the effect of, you know, I

806
00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:38.239
saw it disappear, or I saw it fade away, or

807
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:43.039
there's even accounts where it comes through an area. Is

808
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:49.159
there anything that you've ever heard of that would that

809
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:53.000
would kind of lend credence that where it's able to

810
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:59.000
disappear or maybe travel to other places, other dimensions, anything

811
00:49:59.119 --> 00:49:59.320
like that.

812
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:06.679
I haven't heard. I haven't heard that. I guess just

813
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:10.039
on a personal basis, I've always suspected that they were

814
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:15.480
inter dimensional beings because if they're so, if they were

815
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:19.880
coming and participating in our ceremonies, and when I say,

816
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:22.840
you know, each tribe will take a turn at doing

817
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:31.119
a ceremony that's usually like forty people. So you know,

818
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:37.360
I would be I would I would think that when

819
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:40.840
they said that they participated in our ceremonies, that meant

820
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:44.880
there were at least forty of them or more who

821
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:48.840
would come right of all ages all age range. So

822
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:52.920
the flip side of that is, you know, and hoopahs

823
00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:58.480
are sire pits in our traditional houses have been dated

824
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:03.199
back to ten to twelve thousand years, so we've been

825
00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:06.320
in the same place for that long. So where did

826
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:12.679
they live? Right, Because there's no race of them living

827
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:16.039
in any things. But when we're talking about having regalia,

828
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:20.800
that all requires a certain process of you know, hand

829
00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:30.440
manipulation tool development. But I haven't heard, uh, you know,

830
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:33.239
there's not a place that they live. And it was

831
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:38.719
interesting because I was listening to another Bigfoot Cat podcast

832
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:43.559
and that they had a medium on there who said

833
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:48.199
she she's made contact with them to telepathically, right, and

834
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:51.199
she one of the questions she asked them was you know,

835
00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:53.199
what do you miss most or what do you do

836
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:56.880
you what do you what have you seen change? Or

837
00:51:56.920 --> 00:51:59.039
something about like what how has the world changed? And

838
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:03.159
one of the things that supposedly the Bigfoot had told

839
00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:06.920
her telepathically, was that she missed he missed interacting with

840
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:11.440
the tribes, with the native people. Oh wow, hmm, I

841
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:12.800
thought that was very interesting.

842
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:22.119
Do you feel would you feel comfortable sharing how the

843
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:25.639
Sasquatch is viewed in Hoopa tradition?

844
00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:32.960
Well, this is like I'm sixty years old, so i'm

845
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:38.480
you know, I'm My grandparents were all you know, had

846
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:43.599
served in World War One, which is you know, the

847
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:46.039
age ranges between their kids. My mom was the youngest

848
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:50.760
of the family. So oftentimes in terms of Bigfoot, this

849
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:53.920
would this this is one of those things where it

850
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:58.800
might be information helped family to family, so not necessarily

851
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:03.760
everybody would have same story or have different stories about it.

852
00:53:03.800 --> 00:53:09.159
And you know, I don't I don't think you know,

853
00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:11.880
we've never we don't really have stories of them being

854
00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:17.039
super destructive when except during the nineteen forties and fifties

855
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:22.639
when you had active logging engaged and they didn't like

856
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:26.920
people didn't even really talk about it. But the you know,

857
00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:31.239
they would leave their the logging equipment and the oil

858
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:35.840
and drums and stuff up on the landing and they

859
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:38.239
would come back after the weekend and find them all

860
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:41.480
picked up and thrown over the bank, and lots of

861
00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:44.920
big footprints room and things like that, but nobody had

862
00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:49.599
any you know. The response to that, I guess would

863
00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:51.400
be like, well, he doesn't really want us to be

864
00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:55.960
here doing what we're doing, right, But nobody was ever

865
00:53:56.119 --> 00:54:00.880
like like hurt. And even my friend who said that

866
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:04.960
when he saw look like an oranguting that he lived.

867
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:07.239
Him and his family lived kind of at the edge.

868
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:11.079
They're the last house as you head out towards kind

869
00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:15.679
of the mountain area, towards the place called Horsemint, which

870
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:21.000
is where settings have been occurred. Anyway, he said his

871
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:23.800
dogs were barking, and they have They had a little

872
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:29.920
Pomeranian that was just he was barking so hard that

873
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:34.360
it wouldn't take a breath. So they thought it was bears,

874
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:38.000
because it was not unusual to have a bear sniffing

875
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:42.599
around at the smokehouse or whatever. So he went out

876
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:46.719
there with his gun. He wasn't gonna kill the bear,

877
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:50.639
he was just gonna shoot near it and scare it off.

878
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:54.159
So they went up there with his gun, and the

879
00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:58.320
little Pomeranian dog was barking at the bottom of this tree.

880
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:01.599
All the big dogs we're all sitting on the porch

881
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:07.840
not saying anything. They were probably sitting back waiting to

882
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:12.039
become a snap. And he said, on the tree, he

883
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:14.800
looked up to where it was looking there was this,

884
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:18.679
he said. It was the color of an orangutan. And

885
00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:21.079
he goes, and I tried, I was trying to he knows,

886
00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:23.800
it was sitting on this branch, kind of squatting on

887
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:27.719
this branch. And when you know, we have some pretty

888
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:33.440
big trees, so when I say branch, the branch itself

889
00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:37.199
could have been the size of a tree, right, so

890
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:41.679
so it's not like a small branch. This thing was

891
00:55:41.960 --> 00:55:45.360
kind of squatting on the branch and then it stood up,

892
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:47.440
and he goes, and I was trying to get my

893
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:49.360
gun to go in, and I ran in the house,

894
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:51.519
and I thought somebody else has to seize besides me.

895
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:55.360
He goes, He you know, kind of backed up. But

896
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:58.599
as he was backing up, he said, the thing jumped down.

897
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:01.960
He said it was probably about a nine to twelve

898
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:05.239
foot drop, jumped down on the ground and then ran

899
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:09.000
down the embankment. And he said, it was, you know,

900
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:13.559
very hairy. The hair on its arms was long and drapy,

901
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:15.880
but it was orange color and he said, all I

902
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:17.760
could get out was a rangu tang he was. He

903
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:20.079
went into where his wife was and was like a

904
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:22.000
rang a tang a rang and tank he was because

905
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:24.239
my mind was not even wanting to work.

906
00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:28.880
Wow, And that was that was on the reservation.

907
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:34.440
Yeah, but you know, that's the only one that I've

908
00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:38.519
actually heard was like there and he said it was

909
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:41.840
just so I think his story actually ended up on

910
00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:48.000
the big Foot, you know, with Bobo or Bilbo ended

911
00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:48.519
up that.

912
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:52.760
Okay, that's very on one of those shows. Yeah, that's yeah.

913
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:55.840
And but you know I knew him. I knew him.

914
00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:59.320
He's gone now, but I knew him really well. And

915
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:03.760
you know, you like people who say these things, they

916
00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:05.239
are people who make it.

917
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:09.079
They just they aren't exactly you know.

918
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:14.840
So and you know when you when you are raised

919
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:18.920
in the mountains, hunting, fishing, gathering, like you know, I

920
00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:21.840
used to go trout fishing and we were always walking around.

921
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.880
And one of the things that I was taught about

922
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:27.480
my grandfather was that you always sing, you know, our

923
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:30.320
traditional songs or you know, make noise because you have

924
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:33.119
to be talking so that the animals know where you are.

925
00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:35.719
And that you don't run into a bear or you know,

926
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:40.400
whether it's picking huckleberries or or mushrooms or whatever you're gathering,

927
00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:44.880
that you are making noise to make certain that the

928
00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:51.639
wilderness knows that you're there. And we've had, you know,

929
00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:54.920
hunters who have seen it, who have heard it and

930
00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:59.079
are like, this isn't the whooping, you know, Like my

931
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:01.960
son heard the whoo whooping one night and he said

932
00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:08.000
it was it was big. They didn't wait for it.

933
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:11.320
It was crashing through the woods and it was making

934
00:58:11.480 --> 00:58:15.239
those whooping sounds. And he called me in the middle

935
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:16.760
of night. It was like two o'clock in the morning.

936
00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:19.119
I don't know, one o'clock in the morning. I was

937
00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:21.079
already in bed, but I go to bed at nine,

938
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:24.960
so I have no concept, you know. So he said

939
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:27.880
that he goes, I will find the sound, because he

940
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:29.800
was trying to imitate and he's like, I can't do it.

941
00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:32.000
And so then he found the sound and it came

942
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:37.000
off of a the sound of a recording that happened

943
00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:41.760
in Washington state somewhere, and he said, this is the

944
00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:45.880
sound that was making And you know, our men in

945
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:48.960
our area know the sound of every bird, like you

946
00:58:49.039 --> 00:58:50.960
know what a blue jay sounds like you know what

947
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:53.159
a you know, a grouse sounds like, you know what

948
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:56.039
a clowd sounds like. You know, you know what a whooppeper.

949
00:58:56.079 --> 00:58:58.559
So like, you know all the sounds around you and

950
00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:02.199
what the animals make. And so when you have someone

951
00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:05.559
who has those kind of experiences, who doesn't know the

952
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:07.559
sound and you know, these are people who will walk

953
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:11.679
miles by themselves, you know, might go hunting, you know,

954
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:14.320
out where they have to hike in for five hours

955
00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:18.199
and are completely by themselves and are fine being in

956
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:22.400
the wilderness alone. These aren't people who scare at the

957
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:23.119
slightest thing.

958
00:59:28.039 --> 00:59:29.000
How are.

959
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:32.199
And you may not.

960
00:59:32.960 --> 00:59:35.920
It's I'm just going to ask it. So let's say

961
00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:39.719
you have the current generation of the Hoopa tribe being

962
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:45.079
brought up right now. Are they taught to react to

963
00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:49.239
an interaction with a sasquatch in a certain way?

964
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:50.400
No?

965
00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:54.239
Okay, No, I mean I think most of them would

966
00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:57.719
just leave the area, Like if they saw something, they

967
00:59:57.760 --> 00:59:59.519
would just leave, and they might tell us few friends,

968
00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:02.800
they might not tell everyone. I mean, I don't think

969
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:08.880
we've had anyone with an iPhone be out there being recording.

970
01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:11.559
I mean, one of the things is you know, when

971
01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:14.159
you're in the mountain, your iPhone's pretty much useless because

972
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:18.719
there's no service. So unless you're just gonna take pictures,

973
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:23.280
most of the time it's not with you. But I

974
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:27.400
haven't heard of anyone recently having those kinds of experiences.

975
01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:33.320
These are all almost approaching twenty years now. Doesn't mean

976
01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:35.639
that they're not there, doesn't mean that they're not there.

977
01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:39.800
It's just that's you know, I think there's a certain

978
01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:41.920
amount of healthy respect for like, if you feel like

979
01:00:41.960 --> 01:00:44.039
you're being watched, you probably are, so you leave.

980
01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:51.119
Yeah, that makes sense. In have you ever heard anything

981
01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:55.079
where there was any there was a has there ever

982
01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:59.960
been like a form of communication between tribal members and sasquad,

983
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:06.199
whether that's verbally or using you know, telepathic or anything.

984
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:11.679
I thought, I know, you know, when I was asking,

985
01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:14.480
like when my grandpa was telling us this about that

986
01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:16.559
they used to you know, he was always told that

987
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:19.800
they used to come and participate in our ceremonies, it

988
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:24.159
didn't we didn't think to ask, like was it talking

989
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:28.199
like what language? I mean, because he's talking about a

990
01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:32.039
time what you know, a time where Hoopa people would

991
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:38.639
only be speaking Hoopa. You know, our our language. And

992
01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:43.880
that's kind of the other interesting thing about our tribes

993
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:48.400
is that you have Hoopa that's Athabascan, you have Uruk

994
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:53.360
who's Algonquin. When I'm saying Atabascan in Algonquin, I mean

995
01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:56.719
language bases. And then you have the Kudak, who are

996
01:01:56.760 --> 01:02:02.199
ho Coon. So we we participated in each other's ceremonies,

997
01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:07.320
we intermarried, but we all spoke languages that were as

998
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:13.440
foreign to each other as Chinese and French. So and

999
01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:18.320
there was no known sign language system. So we have

1000
01:02:18.519 --> 01:02:22.760
to make the broad assumption that because we did intermary,

1001
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:27.880
that we were actually trilingual, which saved us. Saved us

1002
01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:31.400
in the sense that the hoop of people were able

1003
01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:34.719
to retain much of their aboriginal territory, not all of it,

1004
01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:37.760
but much of it as a result of being able

1005
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.639
to pick up English so fast and understanding what the

1006
01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:47.360
soldiers were saying. So I would say, if in fact,

1007
01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:49.840
the big Fits do speak a language that a long

1008
01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:55.559
time ago, our ancestors probably spoke it with them, or

1009
01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:57.920
they had some other form of communication.

1010
01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:07.079
Makes sense. Are there any things you've ever heard of, like, well,

1011
01:03:07.159 --> 01:03:11.119
there's there's some Sasquatch in this area, that have four

1012
01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:14.039
toes as opposed to five, and you've really got to

1013
01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:16.480
watch out for the four toes. Is that something that's

1014
01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:18.079
present in the hoop of culture?

1015
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:21.760
I personally have not heard that. That's not to say

1016
01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:24.719
that they, you know, there aren't your stories like that,

1017
01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:30.199
but I haven't heard that.

1018
01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:34.320
That might just be a Prince of Wales clinket thing

1019
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:38.679
that I've heard, So okay, that's cool.

1020
01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:40.079
And it might be the same being I don't know

1021
01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:40.840
how many these.

1022
01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:43.440
Things live true true, true true.

1023
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:44.039
Man.

1024
01:03:44.119 --> 01:03:47.360
Wow, this is this is a really cool conversation. I

1025
01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:51.280
love these because it is so extremely rare to be

1026
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:54.800
able to talk to someone like yourself who knows the

1027
01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:57.960
ins and outs of the culture. So I appreciate you

1028
01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:00.360
coming up and chatting for the little bit.

1029
01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:01.519
Yeah.

1030
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:05.199
Well I heard my friend there from obviously the Pacific Northwest,

1031
01:04:05.239 --> 01:04:10.960
and I was like, yeah, I was really pleased. I

1032
01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:12.800
get to go to Alaska and I get to eat

1033
01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:15.920
some what they call black gold, which is a golden

1034
01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:21.880
bearded seal blubber. That was absolutely delicious. That is very delicious.

1035
01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:26.559
Yeah, good stuff. Hey, is this a conversation I can

1036
01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:27.639
use for the podcast?

1037
01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:28.920
Yeah?

1038
01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:33.039
Absolutely, okay, cool. Would you also would you be able

1039
01:04:33.199 --> 01:04:36.280
Would you mind sending me an email at Bigfoot Society

1040
01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:39.599
at gmail dot com. It would be cool if just

1041
01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:41.920
if I have another question in the future, if you

1042
01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:46.079
wouldn't mind, sure, I'd be happy. Okay, awesome. Thank you

1043
01:04:46.119 --> 01:04:48.360
for coming up and chatting. I really appreciate it.

1044
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:50.679
Yeah, thank you for having me on. I appreciate it.

1045
01:04:52.159 --> 01:04:57.079
Good stuff. Oh, my goodness, that is incredible. That was

1046
01:04:57.119 --> 01:04:58.360
an incredible conversation.

1047
01:04:59.199 --> 01:04:59.440
Op.

1048
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:00.800
Hey, what's up?

1049
01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:02.159
Hey?

1050
01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:05.920
I was on earlier and I called my buddy to

1051
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:08.519
let him know that I shared this story with you.

1052
01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:09.639
Okay.

1053
01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:14.280
He reminded me about something I had long forgotten since

1054
01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:18.480
this happened in the early nineties. But at the end

1055
01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:20.760
of my story, I told you how my friend's dad

1056
01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:25.800
wanted to get some stuff to cast the footprint we found,

1057
01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:30.000
but he couldn't because it had rained when he was

1058
01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:34.960
getting that stuff at that store. The people there recommended

1059
01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:39.639
that they that he talked to the local wildlife the

1060
01:05:39.719 --> 01:05:45.360
fishing game, and so in doing so, he started off

1061
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:48.840
with his story. I know you're gonna find it crazy,

1062
01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:53.280
and the wildlife fishing game guy was like, let me

1063
01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:59.360
guess you saw something walking through your property and he

1064
01:05:59.559 --> 01:06:02.559
was like yeah, and he was like, yeah, we get

1065
01:06:02.599 --> 01:06:08.679
a lot of that here in uh Helena, no Way. Yeah,

1066
01:06:08.719 --> 01:06:14.000
so it was kind of cool but spooky. Yeah, but

1067
01:06:14.119 --> 01:06:16.840
it was just an overall i mean, once in a

1068
01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:18.480
lifetime experience type thing.

1069
01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:18.719
You know.

1070
01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:24.199
That's incredible, that's very cool. Thank you for coming back

1071
01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:25.639
up to share that.

1072
01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:28.599
Yeah, I'm sorry I didn't remember earlier on me, but

1073
01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:30.599
I mean it's been thirty some id years, you know.

1074
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:35.599
Oh, totally understandable. You know, that brings up a great play.

1075
01:06:35.719 --> 01:06:43.960
I've never tried to contact fishing game departments, and I

1076
01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:46.599
think I might put that on the list because sometimes

1077
01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:52.880
I will randomly call places and ask and sometimes have

1078
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:56.440
some people. I mean I've talked to sheriff deputies in

1079
01:06:56.519 --> 01:07:01.079
Tennessee and they've shared their sightings over the phone. It's crazy,

1080
01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:02.079
so you never know.

1081
01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:06.039
Yeah, he was, he was doing it and the people

1082
01:07:06.039 --> 01:07:06.280
with it.

1083
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:06.559
You know.

1084
01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:08.760
At first thought he was going to start talking about

1085
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:15.320
a grizzly bearer, I guess because grizzy prevalent there in Montana,

1086
01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:20.760
but no, it was the conversation turned real quick when

1087
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:22.920
he was like, let me guess you saw something stand

1088
01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:27.159
up or walk or whatever. It was, However, the conversation went,

1089
01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:29.039
but he was like, not surprised at all.

1090
01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:33.039
Absolutely well man, thank you so much for coming up

1091
01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:40.239
and for sharing that. I appreciate it. Thank you, thank

1092
01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:43.119
you for listening to this episode of The Big Society Podcast.

1093
01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:45.599
Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is

1094
01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:48.800
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1095
01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:51.679
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