Horrifying Hairy Man Encounters of Alaska with Fred Roehl

0:04 Every week I talk to individuals who have experienced sasquats in some way or another, so you won't want to miss an episode. Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to, and share this episode where the friend does not cost a thing and it helps the show continue to grow. If you'd like to hear Bigfoot Society episodes early an ad free, you can do so by becoming a Patreon supporter or a YouTube channel member. Links to those are in the show notes in Bigfoot Society. I've taken far too much of your time so far, so let's get on with the show. All right, Big Society, You've got the privilege of talking to mister Fred Roll tonight.

0:51 If Fred, this is a going to be a fun interview. I've never had an individual be requested so many times for me to get them on the podcast, literally probably three to four times a day. In the comments, I get someone saying, you need to have Fred from Alaska. You need to have Fred from Subarctic Alaska Sasquatch Channel, come on and talk about Alaska, Harry Man. So I'm just so happy to finally get you on, Fred. How are you doing tonight? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me, Oh fantastic, And just to give there may be some listeners that you don't know about you yet, but if you're not following and subscribe to Subarctic Alaska Sasquatch channel on YouTube, you really need to make sure that you do right after this. It's pretty cool because you're reporting, You're recording Alaska and hairy Man encounters, your first Nations Alaska native and your tribal council member from Dillingham, Alaska, which is just awesome that you have that connection.

1:57 You can really be connected to the stories that you are recording and reporting. So it's just it's it's awesome, Fred, And remind me that the area that you are based out of is it Dillingham, then I'm from there. I'm from Bristol Bay. I currently live in Wasilla, Alaska. There's no job opportunities in Bristol Bay unless it's seasonal because a lot of the good jobs there, whether it be hospital or otherwise, are already taken. So it's just not a very financially viable place to live. You around, gotcha.

2:39 Yeah, And it's from what I've gathered from other interviews, it's it can be a pretty hostile environment to live in Alaska. But it is a beautiful environment, but it's also a very it can be a very unforgiving. You don't get too many chances up there. Yeah, Like I tell people all the time, Alaska don't care. It really don't. It's irrelevant what you're prepared for. You never know what you're going to get up here. It's it's always different. M Absolutely, you know. I'd be curious, Fred, what was it that that first brought you into being so interested and involved with recording and reporting these encounters. Do you remember a time in your life when you were first introduced to this concept of the Alaskan hairyman? Oh, geez, I was a little kid my auntie. When we were young, we always had fish camp, hunting camp, and so on in the village.

3:49 And when we were really young, we were too young to participate in pulling and hauling nets and picking fish. So one of our aunties would watch us during those months. And you know, like especially my aunt Lucy, she was one of the most boisterous and outspoken people when it came to watching out for the hairyman. Because it wasn't just mythological folklore. It was a fact of life, just no different than beware of a moose at the end of the driveway. It may stop you to death type of things. So she would always warn us about, you know, don't follow strange whistles into the woods, don't go into the woods alone, don't turn your back on the woods, don't be out after dark. The harryman will get you, you know. And as a kid, hearing these things, you know over and over, you know, being a little kid, I thought I was savvy, and I thought they were just trying to keep us from having fun.

4:45 And so in nineteen eighty three, I remember it clearly. I snuck away from the group that was in the front yard of my grandma's house. Her property was right at the end of the runway next to the Dollingham Airport at the time, by Squaw Creek site, And I snuck away from the group because I wanted to work on my tree fort. And so I'm approximately about one hundred and twenty yards away from my grandma's house on this little trail, and it was open, but about seventy yards in front of me there was a big bunch of willows and they're about ten twelve foot tall roughly, and I had my path I had to take through those willows to get to where I was building my tree fort, and I was about seventy yards from it, and I was staring at my feet at the time. I remember at Claire's Day, and something just told me look up. And when I looked up, I saw this big shadow in the willows. And I immediately my uncle Leo was like six two, so I thought it was him that person. I thought, I'll crap, I'm gonna be in trouble. And it wasn't my Uncle Leo. This thing screamed at me, the most blood curdling, just scary thing I'd dealt with at that time, and I turned around and ran back. Of course, I got in trouble for it and whatnot. And then a little bit later that season, in the fall, we went up the Michigan River on a thirty two foot cross and fishing boat, and we used that as our base camp for moose hunting. At the end of fishing season. Because my family was deeply involved in commercial salmon fishing,

6:21 and so we would use that big boat as our base camp. We would anchor out in the river and use a small skip to go and get our moose and whatnot. And we had this a frame built in the back of it on the stern sides where we had a tarp over it and we could hang our moose meat and it wouldn't get rained on and it could hang and all that kind of stuff. Right, So we were on our way back from hunting camp basically, and there was a handful of us younger cousins, a few older cousins that were in their mid to late teens, and two of my uncles and my dad, and we got stuck on a gravel bar, just a black bluff by Angel Bay, which is the tidal area of the Nisha Gack Gun in the bay from the river, and it's right where the fresh water meets the ocean water. And we were stuck. There was no way we're getting up until the tide came in. And so one of my older cousins. After a little while, the adults were stressing that they you know, they didn't want the boat to tip over and then potentially you know, take on water when the tide comes in. So they were working things out, you know, how to stabilize the boat and all this so it didn't chip or whatever. But one of my older cousins was like, let me get the younger kids out of your hair. I'll take them sport fishing, you know, with rotten reel in the skiff and you know, get them out of your hair basically. So we all got our fishing poles into the skiff and we're backing away from the boat, and there was

7:54 a lot of commotion because you got the outboard running, you got the adults on the boat still talking, and we us kids, we were just concerned about fishing, you know, we're all excited or whatever, and there was this screaming going on, but we weren't putting two and two together. And then we were hearing the splashing going on, and my dad and my uncles were sitting there screaming, waving us back. We came back to the stern of the boat and immediately they were taking us kids off as quickly as possible. And when we all got on jack and we were going into the basically the cabin of the boat where the you know, the wheelhouse is, the screaming was really really loud. And we noticed because one of our other cousins was putting up to the Black Bluff, which was about seventy yards away and about sixty five feet above us roughly, and there was a silhouette up there of a harryman and he was screaming and started throwing rocks, and you know, everyone they were concerned, of course, because it's throwing rocks, but none of the rocks were hitting the boat yet, and then one hit broke through the tarp and hit a piece of moose hind quarter that was hanging there so hard it snapped off with its line and fell to the deck, and immediately they rushed us downstairs, and you know, there was a bunch of guns fire going on, and we would hear screaming, rocks thrown, and you know, another volleyt fired it. That was basically where the reality of

9:28 what we were doing with really sunk in as far as the dangers, because seeing something at a distance versus seeing its aggression or you know, the potential of that aggression, you know, play out in front of you, is really really eye opening. But we ended up, you know, sequestered down even lower into the sleeping quarters, which wasn't very big. And I couldn't tell you how long the screaming and the gunshots went on, but It went on for a while because they would shoot it, it would fall down, it would get right back up and and throw more rocks from what I heard later, and eventually we fell asleep down, you know, down underneath there. And when we walked back up, we were at the you know, dyn't have boat harbors. And you know, my uncles and my dad were taught my mom and antis, you know, everything that happened and whatnot, But that that was some of the most intense portions of my childhood. There was other sightings, you know, very picking and whatnot, and something a lot of people don't realize. I was talking to someone from the village earlier.

10:33 Today, our heritage is so steeped in these supposed and mythological, full floored whatever you want to call it, but it's a day to day life and for a lot of villagers even to this day, and it's it's hard to convey that sometimes because a lot of people they're raised, you know, boy scouts, and you know, they get out to national parks to get their fill of getting into the woods and whatnot. And up here you step outside, you know, we don't have any park boundaries that animals abide by I get most bare fox all that they come through my yard, you know what I mean. So it's a different dynamic up here. It's totally different.

11:16 And when it comes to like things like the hairy Man, little people, uh you know, acoustaa whatever you want to call the otter Man, there's moose Man that. There's a bunch of different stories if you want to call it that, but they're all based in reality. And I think a lot of people just chalk that up to, oh, that's just mythological talk. That's just you know, keep kids in line and this and that, And it's not the case because I know many villagers that could go on for days about Harryman experiences they've had. Are their relatives head or you know, so on and so forth. So it's it's really it's basically day to day life for a lot of people in the village. That story you just told me, it sounded like, so did they actually hit the hairyman with their with their shots? Do you think, oh, yeah, one hundred percent percent? According to what I was told later, it just kept getting back up and throwing more rocks. We come from a long one of subsistence hunters.

12:30 We when we're when we're shooting, it's not braggadosia. We shoot to kill and make it quick. It's you know, we're not out there to take twenty shots on an animal just to wound it. We're from the mindset of one shot, one kill. My dad's a Vietnam bad My uncles were non that's they they're well versed when it comes to shooting. And the distance that thing was wasn't all that far. Wow, the stories that you've heard over the years, has anyone actually been able to successfully shoot one so that it will be you know, they got a specimen or or is it a thing where you'll try to shoot it and every time it just keeps getting back up. Well, no, I've I shared a story that Clinkett Elder shared with me. His name was Thomas. He's since passed, but he happened to have dispatch we'll call it, three of them over the course of a decade on one time. The first time was in the Tongus they were there for a logging job and what have you. The second time was up the Copper River Valley, and the third time was between Seliwick and Cowstag They where

14:01 he dispatched one and what he related to me, and this was just about a year ago that he had shared this with me, or a little over a year. It was a head shot through the ear or in the eye. That was the only way to get them to stay down and basically die. The first one they buried, the second one they burned, and the third one he claimed that he had cut it up and disposed of its body parts, some of it in the cave and its torso back at the end of the valley. So there's that. Now, this this gentleman was in his nineties. He had nothing to gain, you know, by sharing that.

14:50 He was mainly just trying to educate me because I told him my experience and how my shots were ineffective, and that's what he stopped me and was like, you got to shoot him in the soft shoe neck, eyes, gears, you know, something like that in order to get them to basically stop. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. That is extreme. Wow, that's extremely detailed in ways I've never heard before on that show. And you said clink it alter, and that reminds me I've talked to a gentleman before. It was that close to Prince of Wales Island, not horribly far from it. I think the Clink of Elders were involved with that area too, from what I remember. But the southeast Alaska area is very intense with I believe there's they say there's tribes of four toad sasquatch that are seen down there. Is that anything that you've into before in any stories that you've got, I've heard those accounts. Yeah, I've heard of those accounts. I talked to natives from all across the state, and you know, you get you get accounts of three toes, four toes, five and even six toes. But typically when you hear of the six

16:22 toe prints, they're like twenty four inches long and a good foot wide. So to me, that's more along the lines of what we'd call a mountain giant. And there's a council of those as well. And you still hear accounts from up near Ruby, up on the Yukon, where villagers will hear the trumpeting of like elephants and they claim to have seen mammoth in recent history, within the last decade. That is something I would love to explore, to see a wooly mammoth live and in person, just out in the middle of nowhere, that would be an experience. That's incredible. So you've actually you've talked to people that have personally encountered like the sounds of Willie mammoths you're saying, or oh yeah, villagers from Ruby and Galina right on the Yukon River within fifteen miles of the river, is what I was told. Man, that's wild. I mean, you never know the stories you hear out of the Yukon, and I've heard other things as well, and just that area is so remote, so wild man, it's it's crazy. And you'd you'd mentioned mountain giants as well. Man, that's a that's a new one.

17:44 I hadn't heard of either. Right, there was a guy, uh he was spotting for most or carabl I forget what it was, but he said he had you know, he had one of those big old I forget the power, but it was one of those huge spotting scopes where you can easily see a mile away, you know what I mean. And he was spotting and he noticed this big grayish green thing moving and it looked like it was trees on its back, and he said it was about thirty foot tall, and it had like a main going down its back. It was grayish green, had hair down its forearms and kind of cuffed around its wrist and was a little longer around the wrist the hair was. He said the back kind of reminded him of a snapping turtle, you know, with the splines on the back or whatever. Sure, and he said it kind of looked like that, but it was more like a bristly type of hair down the back. It had tusks from the lower jaw protruding up next to the nostrils.

18:48 And he said it just moved nonchalant, and he was just an awe watching this thing from roughly a mile away, and he heard a bush plane in the distance, and he looked, probably not where the plane was, and he spotted the plane. Then he looked back and this thing. As he looked back, he saw it just the tail into this thing, crunching down to the ground, and it blended in perfectly with the scenery. So when this thing was moving, it heard the plane as well, and just kind of laid low, stayed still and you wouldn't even see it. That's incredible, man. I wonder if anyone has ever captured actual like video evidence or anything of creatures like that is. That's a new subject for me.

19:37 Man. Well, I've personally seen footage of little people. I've personally seen way better footage in four K resolution of a sass watch. There's a homestead down on the peninsula and these people contacted me about a year ago. He had started getting goats because they you know, they wanted goes to keep the land clear, you know, the undergrowth kind of you know, to a minimum. And they had a couple of small pins and they had just basically started their homestead on about five to six acres roughly, and one of their goats came up missing one day, and so the husband went out kind of looked around, saw some weird tracks, thought it was a double bear in freshion, you know, and so, okay, it's a bear. So he kind of went outside of the property scouting around. Couldn't really find anything, no blood trail, no sign of this missing goat. Comes back that evening he saw a dark shadow in the trees and just fired around up into the trees to scare whatever this large looming thing was. He assumed it was a bear on its hind feet. Well, the thing disappeared, no harm, no foul kind of thought process. And the next morning, when they were drinking coffee at their table, they heard a loud just this monstrous scream that ended in the high pitch, and this thing it took their second goat, ripped it in half, and threw both halves at the cabin, one

21:11 after another. And that got their attention because they heard the scream, they saw what was left of the goat smacked up against their cabins, and so once it got a little lighter outside, he went out to investigate. Nothing was going on. It was dead quiet. He got rid of the remains of the goat, and Kara looked for more sign of what the hell this was. They had called the authorities at that point. The authorities told them the bears are around, you know, keep your goats close, put up electrical fence, you know, just basically shined them on. Wasn't listening to the scream part of it. They just just blew it off. And later on that day he was out in their front yard with his daughter. And this is rustic. It was freshly cleared, so it's not like they had a manicure lawn or anything, but they did have a fence up. It was about forty feet from their front window where the fence started, and that was basically their front lawn. And he was out there with his daughter and they heard a scream, and so he stood still, put his daughter behind him, and on video, the video portion I saw was the wife recording from inside from a little sony handicap, and this sasquatch walked between that fence and this guy who had his daughter behind him, and this thing was looking at him was such disdain and like hatred, like he wanted to end him, but for some reason he couldn't kind of look, and you can see

22:42 clear around video the thing just walked on by, stepped over the fence and went off into the trees. I tried for months to get them to release that footage anonymously. I told him I'd leave their names out, I'd wear faces, i would do whatever I had to do to make them at ease to release this footage. And they wouldn't budge. And you know, I wasn't gonna put on a bunch of high pressure tactics. That was their footage, it was their thing. I just left it at that, but I still wish I could get my hands on that footage, because you know, the Patterson gimbling footage is great, but this is on a different level of clarity. You could see the muscle moment clearly. You can damn their count individual hairs on this thing, and its face was very defined, very clear.

23:34 It was just amazing footage. And unfortunately, you know, they want no part of it. They want not even anonymously, they want to share. They were just asking my advice on how to keep them away from their property and that's as far as they wanted to take it. Unfortunately, that is a shame. But you do have to respect, you know, as they are the owners of the footage. But it sounds like footage like that could could totally you know, to a lot of people, could prove the existence of the creature. I would imagine. I mean, it would probably make a few people change their mind. But yeah, and it's intense.

24:18 I saw it with my own eyes in their cabin, in the same living room they filmed it from, and that I tried to you know, I was trying to be as you know, unintrusive as possible, but firm in trying to express to them. Look, a lot of people can gain from this, not financially, but just knowledge wise on the realities of what you're dealing with. You know, it could lead to more help because the best I could tell you is, you know, maybe put up some fire floodlights and you know, stay in at night. You know, that's that's the best advice I could give, you know, outside about right shooting the thing, and they wanted no part of that either. I offered to come in with a team of guys and take a look around. They wanted no part of that. Uh. You know, they were basically hoping that I had the silver bullet, so to speak, for their situation and you know, would make it all go away. But unfortunately I don't have that. You know, can you describe you know, when you looked at that that video and you saw that footage, what did you see in the face of the creature? It looked more Neanderthal than eighth, very similar to what I saw in oh six, just not quite as big. This thing was about ten foot taps, I would say the shoulders shoulder with just by simple just looking

25:52 at the footage and the husband's height, I would say the shoulders were about four four and a half foot white arms hung down just you know, just above the knee. The forearm was longer than the upper arm. The hands were huge. The jaw was really big, wide and pronounced. You could tell that its teeth if it were showing them, would it protruded out further than the nose. Ash, gray cord skin, pitch black eyes, real wrinkly faced. You could tell under the hair with the movement. The muscle definition was like these bodybuilders you see that are just you can see every sinew and every fiber of muscle under their skin. It was very similar to that, just coated in this hair. It was about four four and a half inches long for the most part, but the upper part of the head had a little bit of longer hair, so it would it wouldn't look like half Rocker style on the hair on the head, but then it, you know, it all went down to a shorter white On the rest of its body.

27:03 The genitalia was basically covered by hair. You couldn't eat. You could tell it was a big male, but it wasn't like its junk was hanging or anything like that. It was just a lot of hair in that area. The upper part of the leg looked longer than the lower part, and you could easily see in the footage when it was stepping, because I got the opportunity to watch it about four or five different times, you could see the foot almost looked like it was floppy because of that mid torsal break the way it was walking just and anthropologists would would kill their firstborn to have this footage to study. It was it's great, And I told them if they weren't going to share it, I would. I would destroy it, just what I told them, because I would never you know, give away their name or their exact location. I just wouldn't be trading like that. But you know, I tried to reach out to them just a few months ago to see how they were doing, but I didn't get a response. You know, I think for a lot of people, once they get some kind of confirmation that they're not crazy, they want nothing more to do with it.

28:21 I agree with you. That lines up with you know, people I've talked to is a lot of times they just want to share what they've experienced so they can go to sleep at night and feel like they're not crazy. I totally get it right because I mean, on my channel right now, I have one hundred and seventy two videos. If I was able to share every encounter shared with me that, you know, if they were open to it, even if they remained anonymous, I would have four or five hundred encounters on my channels. It's just a lot of people they want to talk to someone really going to judge them and get it off their chest. And it seems like a lot of them once they get it off their chest, they can let it go, so to speak. That you know for some people speaking it out loud. Because a lot of the people I interview, I talked to them three, four or five times just so I get their encountered down. So when I relay it in a video, I can give the finer details. I could walk them, you know, the viewer through it to where they feel like they're in that place at that time. And you know, talking to the people it helps me. For one, it's kind of like a form of therapy, but also it helps the listener to better understand, you know, terrain, time of day, circumstances, all that kind of thing. Versus if I was just like, let's say, reading an email verbatim, you know what I mean, Because those finer details

29:52 and nuances you're not going to pick up in an email. You get that from talking to them. The inflection and their voice when they're talking about their encounter, whether there was a comical moment or you know, outright deadly type of feeling that they felt. We'll be back with more big Foot society after these words from our sponsors. You know, there was a federal investigator. His name is Robert Johnson. He shared his name willingly his videos Unknown Fear in Denali, right, So when I talked to him, he said, you can use my name because I didn't see anything. He was at the White Loose Lodge at Gally, Alaska, just right there at Denali. He was on a motorcycle trip of visiting his son or whatever. He ended up having to stay there because the heavy rains. But there was a banging on the back of that hotel that scared him. Now, this is an investigator, anti terror, been to the sandboxes, he put it, you know, counter terrorism, well trained, been through the trenches with you know combat that they cycles, and this thumping, this banging on the back of this hotel scared him to his core. He said he didn't understand it because he didn't see anything. But just the presence of this thing and feeling the power behind the banging on the wall. It scared him. And to me, that speaks volumes. If someone that's been through something like that can be scared

31:26 to their core, like a little child who's been through that, that that to me, it says a lot about the creature we're dealing with up here. It's not your forced friend. They're not here to help you with anything type of type of creature, you know, And that that's one of the driving forces on why I want to share a list of experiences is because what we deal with up here it's far removed from some of the encounters you may hear about down in the States. You know, it's a totally different environment. I think they're more aggressive because the seasons up here are so short.

32:07 It's already in the fall, it's already been below freezing, you know, in the mornings already. Because of that short cycle we have up here, I think there are a lot more vicious because of the limited resources that can be attained in that short amount of time. So you get a lot of encounters from moose hunters, caribou hunters, salmon fishermans, berry pickers, you know, every resource people go out to attain up here is typically an encounter location, you know, our potential encounter location. I get accounts all the time from the villages like the ones outside of Bethel, Russian Mission Mountain village.

32:52 You know, places like this where out berry picking, these things have been known to try to lure women away, you know, with this slow motion wave. I've had a young lady in her early twenties share with me not too long ago, where they were just checking the conditions of the berries to see if they're almost right for picking, her and her little cousin. And they're in the wide open white open tons, are nothing around. They get to this it was basically a horseshoe shaped trail. They get to the apex of it roughly, and all of a sudden, there's this Harryman's about seventy ish feet away roughly, And initially she said she was almost in a trance like state, like she's felt peaceful with this thing waving at her.

33:40 And she's on a four wheeler with her little cousin. So the trail they were on was well defined. You know, you got your trenches from the tread tires of the many four wheelers that have been through there before, and she veered off and she pumped her knee getting off of that trail and had snapped her out of that trance and she saw it for what it was and realized the danger and you know, get out all that out of there. So you get accounts like that, like what are we really dealing with? It's something that can put you in a trance like state, you know, especially the vulnerable women and children. It's it's real creepy, man, you know. And I got no answer for it. It's just creepy stuff.

34:23 Have you ever heard of people being lured by the sound of a baby crying in the woods? Oh yeah, yeah, I've heard the baby crying myself. You have? Oh yeah. My cousin Elizabeth Osterhaus now Elizabeth book back in nineteen sixty seven or sixty nine, one of the two. She lived down on Unalaska Island. No trees, it's a wind swept that's Harvard, you know, it's just wind swept. You may get some scrub brush, but that's it. They had a neighbor, a young neighbor woman who had a child out of wedlock at the time with the fisherman. The fisherman went away and she was left with this baby, and so she would always ask for help from her neighbors and whatnot. But this baby's cry, everyone knew it because it was a colloquy young baby and the mom didn't know what it was doing, you know, she was doing, and so she would ask for help. And it was going in the dust, getting dark, and they heard this baby crying outside. They knew the cry and they recognized it.

35:31 Well. They go outside her and another cousin to look to see what was going on with the baby crying, you know, making sure the baby didn't need help. And they get outside, they go around, they don't see anything, and they're going back into their little apartment and right in front of the bay window, tim feet away looking at him as this hairyman imitating that baby craft to a t, to perfection it. She said that it sounded identic. Go to the baby crying. Now, to me, that's a level of cunning that is just unreal, because they're literally using a woman's natural instinct against them. They're using that baby cry to lure them out.

36:13 That's, man, that is some cunning stuff, man, Just just cunning. And yeah, go ahead, no I just it just boggles my mind, you know. And that's why we're raised up here. You know, there's nothing good that comes. We were never raised to follow them, we were never raised to track them. So when I got into this YouTube thing and I started going to look around, it was hard for me to get into it because culturally, in the way I was raised. For some of the years, we didn't follow. We didn't we weren't out to you know, take photos of tracks because we saw them often enough. You know.

36:54 We weren't out to capture video footage because we've seen them oft enough. It wasn't it wasn't on our to do list, it wasn't a big deal. It was just what it was, you know. So it's been kind of a strange transition doing what I'm doing now. It's it's just different because culturally the way I was raised. It's it's night and day difference. Because I still talk to elders that are like, you know, they'll tell me, you know better than to go look for them. You know, nothing, nothing good will come of it, and you know, I hate their warnings, but yet I feel it's important. I feel it's a public safety issue. You know, people go out there. You know, I've talked to hunters man that have been going to the same spot for forty plus years, never had an issue, never heard nothing crazy, never seen nothing crazy, but one twenty minute experience, and they will never go back there again.

37:49 They've given up hunting, they won't even go out in the woods because it's just one random encounter and that's all it takes. And that's another thing that bought of my mind is the randomness. You can have a group of one hundred guys go to the same spot every year for their cariboo, none of them have an issue. Then one year, one of them will have an issue, their cariboo gets taken, they have a siding or whatever, and it's done. For that, they no longer go on. You know, it's just so random in nature. It's Yeah, I want to address something really quick. If listeners heard me have like an interesting reaction a little bit ago, I just was having such just that the picture I had in my mind of that the hairy man imitating the baby cry and the person seeing that actually happened. That's just that's something that man, even if you're imagining it that I can't imagine actually seeing that in person. That's not a good thing to see. No, not at all. She's in her late eighties now and she's still she still gets an expression on her face of almost like shell shock about it, you know, and that happened back in sixty nine, you know what I mean? Like these? Okay? With my channel, I share people's encounters, and the way I do it is the way I was raised. We have an oral history and oral tradition. We don't write

39:22 things down. We just pass it down, you know, verbally, And so that's why I treat the encounters. If anyone who watches my channel, they know what I'm talking about, I try to bring the listener into that moment. And that's what our elders did with us. You know, whether it be oh, carible hunting, we were up here, we took the third slew on the right, and you go up past the berry patches, you get into the script rush and you know you'll find the cariboo back over there. You know. The level of detail we were raised with when sharing information with each other was it wasn't too I'm going to share all the details. It was life and death, you know what I mean. It had to be accurate information. And that's why I get upset with those who claim all history is just that it's a it's fanciful, it's folklore, it's mythology, you know, that kind of that kind of crap, that that's so inaccurate oral tradition, and our oral history allowed us to live this long.

40:28 I mean, Cambridge was what built in sixteen ninety two, Harvard, Okay, the first brick and mortar that everyone talks, you know, their education from book. Our oral history goes back a millennium pass that, you know, even further, so you know, when the educated get this idea that roll because they learned something in a book therefore has more relevance and validation versus something that was passed on orally. I scott at that that that's the level of arrogance. That is just I just don't I don't go for that, you know what I mean, because it's it's dismissive. You know. They want to they want to call it our chic you know whatever, and just chock it up the folklore. And that's not the case. It's not the case at all. That's extremely interesting. I've never thought of it that way before, but that is, that is very very cool. Fred. So you mentioned earlier how there are these times in your early childhood where you you know, experience things and saw things. There were there times also in your as you got into adulthood where you know, you had experiences that kind of cemented it into your mind at an older age as well. Oh yes, several different times. But okay, let me break down for you. So, sure, we would see him at a distance on a regular basis.

41:57 No I'm not saying every day, but on a regular enough basis, we would see him at a distance. And usually what would happen in those occurrences would they would either run off our scream at us and break something. We would run off. And it was always at a distance. It was never like right up on us, except for a few times in passing, but it was always just inside a vehicle, just inside a house and things like that, to where they would they would typically leave or we would leave. Uh. In ninety five, we me and my cousin, Spencer, and a couple of the people we were looking for woodland cariboo. They're a little bigger than your standard cariboo of what you would call a ranger, and we were we were checking these outpine meadows where some locals said, hey, they mill around up there. If you go up there and look, you you'll probably find one. So we wanted once, and so we're up there on foot. We had beached our skiff and we walked up this hill and there's loping kind of like steps as we're going up to each of these little alpine meadows. And we got up to the upper, the most upper one in this portion of the basically the Wood River mountains. And we got up to this step and it was a lot of grass and muskeg just at the beginnings of like a probably an ancient beaver pond, I would guess because of how the land laid. But it was all grass through there. And there was

43:30 trees off to our right hand side about eighty yards away roughly, and these are black spruce, so they're not very big, and you know, they're just you know, they were there. Well, when we get up there, there was no wind, and the grass was about four foot tall, and so we're looking around for sign a cariboo, and the wind blew from behind us and started, you know, the grass moved like you would see away crash against the beach, you know, what I mean. And this grass was moving and this one portion didn't move. It was a female sasquatch, and it was squatted down, and if the wind hadn't blown, we would have never seen her. But the wind blew we noticed, and immediately she stood up. Because the gig was up, we saw her. She stood up. She basically had a caramel kind of dead grass color, and she was dark on the lower portion of her body. But once we saw her, she made eye contacts, stood there briefly and let out the scream as she ran from our left to our right very fast. It was very very fast. But her coloring was such that as soon as she hit those black spruce, she blended in seamlessly, like a like a baby duckling in the grass, you know what I mean. Just natural camouflage made it appear that she disappeared, but she was still there. You heard her crash through the trees and stuffs, and she was still bellowing and screaming running away.

45:05 We'll be back with more big Foot Society after these words from our sponsors. And that was typically what we would deal with out in the bush. Typically, you know, some sometimes villagers will say it stole my fish or this and that, you know, but never for the most part, you didn't hear about outright attacks right when you did. It was always second third hand, you know, so and so what you mis seeing, you know, Harryman attack or whatever. And you didn't disbelieve. You just basically thought, well, at least it wasn't me, you know, kind of kind of frame a thought. Up until two thousand and six, I would have told you they screamed, they break stuff, you leave, they throw stuff.

45:54 Every once in a while, they may come around your house, but they eventually leave. Just leave them alone, you know that. That was my mindset up until oh six. And what happened in two thousand and six is it actually started in oh four when my uncle he wanted to go golf prospecting, and he knew he had to get portable sluice box, you know, everything portable because you know, we had limited capacity on the twenty two foot skift and he wanted to be a fishing and so it took a couple of seasons for him to cure all this stuff. And in oh six, at the end of the fishing season, he said, this is a year he got the time. I said, sure, do uncle, you know, just just named the time. Well, he wanted to leave September twelve, and that's my birthday. So I asked if we could leave the thirteenth so I could be in civilization at least some part of civilization from my thirty first birthday, you know what I mean. It was like, Okay, we'll leave the thirteenth. So we left Gillingham the thirteenth of September in two thousand and six, and we launched from Squaw Creek and we went up the New Shack River and it's roughly two hundred and forty eight river miles to the New Yorkuk River where we were going. And that was a couple of days process because my uncle was in his mid to late sixties at that time and he would get cold on the water. So we stopped in New Stuliahawk, visited with family for a day or so, and then went up river, refueled at kleig Nick, and then continued on up to the New Yakuk. And

47:30 we got to the New Yorkuk September seventeenth, and it was a couple hours before dark. We had got there, and me and my cousin we wanted to run up and down the river real quick, just check things out. But because it was getting late and had the boat to unload, we opted to wait till the next day. So we unload everything, and we weren't loud, we weren't boisterous, we weren't partying it up or just randomly shooting guns off in the woods or a thing like that. We just unloaded the skiff and went into this little sam account of power shack. It was eight foot square. Everything was made with minimal cutting because in remote Alaska, by state law, you can't have any permanent structures. So this thing was on skids. So it's an eight foot square. It's five eights plywood on two by four studs. Minimal construction, I mean bare minimal is basically a drive in shell. And on the back side of this place was a fifty style eggs shell kind of looking camper, you know, the kind of talking about little toe behind the front of that had been cut off and mounted to the back side of this little shack, and all the windows were blacked out.

48:45 In that back portion. It was a bunk punk area because land of the midnight sun, it stays light out there near day, you know, day and night, and so when you step in the door, you came up the bank. It's about twenty feet to the front of this place, and it's about a six seven foot climb because it's on a cut bank to get to the to the top of the bank there. And when you're looking at the place, if you're looking directly at it from the front, the door is to the left hand side of it. There's an old oil drum stand to the right hand side. And again this is only eight foot wide, and so when you open this door, it's framzy. It's two by four on five as plywood. All it had was this little jay hook to keep the door shut and a little bit of a old piece of driftwood screwed into the two by fourder as a handle. So when you step in, there's a little card table immediately to your left right there, and eighteen by twenty in window right above it, and mirroring that window across on the other side was a little miniature sink, a little tiny sink that drained right to the outside, and another eighteen by twenty four inch window on that side, and then you got the little entryway dead center on the backside that went into this fifty style trailer. So we get in there, manload everything, and my uncle cooks for us. He made some semon head showder and whatnot, and

50:20 we had gotten done eating. And that year I had spent some of my fishing money on a brand new Remington eight seventy shotgun. It was a rifle barrel. Is gonna be my slug gun, you know, just a gun with a brush, And I was real happy with it. But the rear sight I was trying to adjust it, and because I had shot at a couple of times one up river, and I noticed that the site was off a little bit. So as I was doing the adjustments. At this point in time, my uncle and my cousin are playing cribbage at this little table and we got a Coleman lantern going because it's about a half hour after dark at this point. And as we're sitting there talking, my uncle's giving us instruction on you know, I want a couple of buckets of padrick from over here that I want to try to say apple and this and that, because his overall goal was to basically stake acclaim and this is just south of the proposed pebble mind, which is according to what they say the largest gold and copper reserves in the world. Okay, so there's a reason for that, because there's gold everywhere over there, right, So that his idea was to basically start a goal mine, but you know, just start small and see what we could find. What's his line of thinking. So he's given us instruction on where he wants the buckets and this and that, and I'm still dinking with this were sight well as as he's talking, all of a sudden, the whole place kind of shifts. It just made this creaking kind of

51:50 sound, right, And so there was no wind blowing, because again this is just a glorified box. We would have known that the wind was blowing, you know what I mean. And there was no wind blowing. So when I looked over at my cousin where he's sitting, he's got the window behind him, in between his shoulder and the top of that window, I saw a dark movement. And the way I looked over there, he jumps up and says, hey, that ain't funny, and I was like, no, no, there was movement. So we're on a salmon river, right, there was farn ounce in the river as we're coming up, you know, so we immediately thought there, I mean, it was the only thing that made sense. Harryman wasn't on our mind. It had because it was around we just superstition wise, when it comes to most villagers, they don't talk about it because it could bring a bad omen and so there's a lot of superstition involved. So there was nothing we actually openly talked about a lot of time. So he grabs at thirty odd six. I got that shot there, and we had one of those million candle powered like six bowl spotlights right fresh battery in it. We opened that door, and to our right would be the river bank, and to our left, about fifty yards away would be the tree line. And so immediately I pointed to the side where we saw the movement. Well where I saw the movement, there's nothing there. And we being towards our left and more only about a step outside of this door, maybe a foot and a half, we're shoulder the shoulder.

53:21 We got guns ready, we're going to scare this bear off. And as apparent to the left, once we hit the tree line to our left, we come across three sets of eyes shine and the eye shine was red. We could see these creatures. They the ro Their eyes were huge. They reminded me of fence post markers, you know those three fence post markers they were. They were that big, and immediately like shock took over. It seemed it was ominous, an instant feeling of dread because typically from what we've experienced before, you've beam a flashlight at them that kind of ducked behind a tree, they kind of tried to hide themselves with. These three didn't move, they just stood there. So we duck right back inside and I shut that little jay hook. And what was really weird is it felt like we put on ear muffs as soon as we went in back inside and I shut that little Jahok. It was like everything was muffled. I was talking and it's you know, have you ever been on a plane where your ears haven't fully popped, so the person sitting next to you sounds like, you know that right there? You sound kind of far away. It was that kind of feeling. And so I'm talking and I'm talking to my cousin.

54:51 I was like, and I as I'm talking to my cousin about you saw what I saw? Right? And I tell my uncle, there's a hairman out there. There's three of them. As I'm saying at uh, within a moment, my cousin's on my left shoulder, and he's holding the barrel of that thirty odd six with his hands kind of like just down. He had the butt of the gun down between his feats. I had just set the spotlight down, and I'm holding that shotgun in my left hand, kind of off ended, trying to trying to discuss what we're seeing, and all of a sudden, my cousin is bam underneath that card table, had a death grip on that barrel, and he's kind of moving his arms up and down like he was turning butter a little bit. And he had wet himself and was just kind of not not writhing around, but kind of twitchy a little bit. And he's looking the opposite towards the opposite side, towards that window. But me and my uncle looked at each other, We looked down at him, we looked back at each other, and we realize he's looking across the little room to that other window by the sink. So I'm literally about three feet from this window, and we both turned at the same time, and once I made eye contact with this well. Once my eyes make contact with this thing, I could tell it was looking at my cousin.

56:13 But as soon as I was looking at it, it turned its gaze at me and furled its brow. I only saw from the bottom of its nose to the top of its eyebrow in that eighteen minute space. It had ash gray skin. Its eyes were like black, translucent marbles. There was a slight glow to him from the Coleman lantern, but it wasn't like a full on eyeshine. It was a little dulled down. Within two milliseconds, I immediately knew what it felt like to be prey. I knew what it felt like to be the rabbit in the hole with the wolf outside. It wasn't no mind speak. It was in the air. It was something about the energy in the air was that of death, like you know, and the way it looked at me and and furled his brow to kind of like glare right at me within middleseconds. It's taken way longer to explain it than how it happened. Because I turned, it gave me that look, and it started moving out of view of the window towards my right, and I just shot through the wall right there at three times with that shotgun. And what was weird is is I just charged a shotgun in the small room and there was no ringing of the ears. It just sounded like a thump, bump, bump because of that pressure. That and this pressure I'm referring to it.

57:46 It stayed the whole time, during this whole encounter, So it was constant. It didn't bury, it didn't get less or heavier. It was a constant. But so I shoot the three times and immediately there is a scream and a simultaneous shift of this place. And you know, I thought it was going to push us in the river just I mean, we're less than twenty feet from the bank. You know, I really thought we were going in the river. But there's a scream that was so loud it shook everything in there that thought that the stewl was made in It rang like a tuning fork from the screen. The lantern was swinging. It almost took me off my feet, and everything went quiet. There was no more sound.

58:31 My cousin wasn't responding. My uncle said a couple of things, but he basically went and sat in the bunk room there and I'm freaking out. I was yelling at them to help me. I was. I felt all alone. And I'm amongst some of the most hardcore subsistence hunters that I have ever known. You know, my cousin, for example, he was shouldered the shoulder with me with a charging style, you know, over eight hundred pounds female brown bear charging us. He stood his ground, and to see him, he had wet himself. He's babbling underneath the table and my uncle isn't engaging me, And so I knew it wasn't over. Like something within me.

59:34 I knew we couldn't just oh, okay, let's call it at night and start fresh in the morning kind of thing, because that wasn't what was happening. The energy was very ominous. It was jake quiet. So what I ended up doing was is I slid one of the chairs over by that stupid little flimsy door for whatever good that would do. And I took the other chair and I put it right at the opening of that little cubby and I basically we sat there in that chair listening to that Coleman lantern hiss. I don't know if we've ever dealt with them and white gas Coleman lantern. You got to pump him every once in a while. We'll be back with more Bigfoot society after these words from our sponsors. But I sat there, for gosh, hadn't been five six hours, periodically asking for help. The only the only reason I was able to stop shaking like uncontrollably was I resigned myself to death. Am I had to. Literally, I'm a dead man.

1:00:45 I had to accept it, and I had to and that was the only way I could rationally think. I staged a bunch of AMMO. I tried to get the thirty out six for my cousin, but it was loaded and he wasn't letting go. He still wasn't responding. He was still in la la land like, and my uncle was basically shut down. He wasn't saying much. He had his bible, he was being quiet. He had basically no advice to offer, and he was he wasn't engaging whatsoever. And so I sat there pumping that lantern. Every once in a while, I was gripping that shotgun so hard that it hurts my hands. I would have to let go and shake life back in my hands because it my hands.

1:01:36 I was gripping it so hard. And you know, when a moth would hit the window, Oh my god, there were several times I almost switched cheese that place from the inside out, just from a moth hit in the window. There was moments of time where I was just screaming out loud, you know, f and come get me, you know, various things. Just it was rough because I was there with two other people I loved, but no one was helping me, you know. And so and I'm guestimating because I was in fits of terror, you know. So the time frame of how long I sat there without my cousin responding, I'm guessing five to six hours, give or take, because again I wasn't fully in my right mind, but I knew in my heart of hearts I couldn't just go lay down and call it at night. I just shopped this thing through the wall.

1:02:38 And I don't know what else is coming. You know, we saw the three sets, eyeshine. This one was looking at the in the window at us, so I knew it was it was going on. Whatever was happening was happening, and it's gonna be what it's gonna be. Kind of thing. Once my cousin did start coming out of his stupor, and it took a while because he was incoherent. He was babbling stuff, stuff that made no sense, gibberish. But once he once he was back more to himself and I got him talking, We got him changed, and I got him calmed down enough, you know, by reassuring him. I shot it, man, it ran away. I shot it. It's bond, and you know, that helped. It brought peace and calmed to him a little bit. But we were still in the middle of it, you know, and I asked him, I was like, what did you see? And once he pulled himself together, he told me that it showed him his teeth.

1:03:42 And from what he said, when he was standing next to me and I was talking, he looked out that window and there was enough of the light from the lantern that he saw it. It was a little further away from the window, and it showed his teeth and his body shut down, and he said when he was under the table, looked he was trying to tell us, but nothing would come out. He was just seizing up, basically. But that's when it came in closer to the window, and that's when we turned and I saw it, and so we realized we need to get out of there. It was not going to you know, we didn't want to be there. It was all bad. So we came up with a game plan. We were going to make it to the skip, which is twenty five feet away. You know, it seemed like ten miles away at the time, but it was literally just not very far, and we were going to drift out of there until we got further down river because it was pitch black. You know, there was no way to fire up the outboard and safely navigate the river. You know, there's too many deadfall trees, there's rocks, there's all sorts of things that could go wrong on that.

1:04:51 So we were going to use the spotlight our initial plan to basically keep ourselves going, you know, downstream, and you know, use the oars to kind of steer or whatever. That was our initial plan. And so we're sitting there quiet for a while, and as we're getting up, because it was so quiet, we were getting more brave, we were getting more courage to make this move, and my cousin brings up, let's use a spotlight and see if there's anything outside we can see. So we shut up the lantern because it was creating a mirrord effect inside, you know what I mean. And so with it being pitched black outside, the light inside just made the windows look like mirrors. So we killed that and we beamed out the riverside first, and we took a really good look. We saw nothing on that side, and believe me, we were really really looking. And so we went to the other side and we started at the point we saw the three sets eyeshine and we're beaming and we see nothing. I mean, there's nothing that's quiet, dead quiet. And this this beam, this spotlight had a fresh battery, so it's not like you know, it didn't have the candela. It was bright. And we beam in their kitty corner.

1:06:12 Off the back side of this shack, about forty feet there's this old outhouse that long out of use, but it was about eight eight and a half foot tall. It was built with minimal cuts and it had a one sided roof, but at its highest point it was about eight eight and a half feet tall. Once we beam back to that point, we noticed this big, hulking silhouette behind it. It wasn't immediately behind it. It was kind of back a little bit from it. But this silhouette was every bit of thirteen and fourteen foot tall. It was hulking, five five and a half foot wide, pitch black, the creepiest thing. Its size was immense, but it was absorbing the light. It was giving nothing back, no shine, even a black beerrif you beam it with a flashlight at night, it has kind of like a silky kind of chrome copper, you know, kind of reflection to it. To its high this gave nothing. It was like it was absorbing all the light. It was like a big black nothing there for us. So it started moving a little bit towards our right. We immediately killed that spotlight and we're all tucked back into that little cubby, pitch black. We were freaking out. I know we had the barrel's costs because I kept hearing the barrel of my shotgun butting against the barrel of the thirty odd six. And we stayed like that for gosh quite a while, again,

1:07:43 just dead quiet. All we saw was that minissing, whole king figure, and we hit and we heard nothing. So after a while, being dad quiet, we started reformulating our game plan. And as we're going over it and stuff. Often the near distance it sounded like rotor washed from helicopter. That bump bump bump bump sound. Well, we started feeling it in the ground and what it was was one of these things running by the shock and as soon as it ran by, because we felt it in the ground, and as soon as it ran by, it was like other ones were surrounding the place and they started running around as well. I don't know if they were trying to draw our fire or see if we were going to shoot again, or just outright terrorized us. I don't know, but they ran around and then they would it seemed like they would back off, and then they would do it again. And this continued, gosh, in a moment, it seemed like about roughly fifteen minutes, give or take, because we were white knuckle terror listening to this. And at one point, as the running was going on, it sounded like one of them was sniffing the little trailer attachment to the chat. And it's it's hard to express the level of

1:09:18 of sheer terror like we were. We were stuck, you know, and again, you know, one of my driving forces or factors that you know, propelled me forward to share people's encounters. They had us dead to rights. They could have smashed that place to nothing in a heartbeat, snatched us out of there, but yet they didn't. They could have, but they didn't. Anyway, Just something that dwells on my mind a lot when I think about it, is what they could have done, yet they didn't. But anyway, so that goes on for a little while, and then they back off and it gets quiet, like super quiet again. And again I don't know exactly how much time transpired, but it was starting to get the first glimmers of getting lighter outside, and with it being quiet for so long again, we were getting our courage up. We had our game planed down.

1:10:20 And it dawned on me at that point that we drugged the anchor and bow line from that skiff shifty to seventy yards. It was a long bow line because that skiff was used for a settinet site, and so your anchor had to be long enough to put the bottom and still not get swamped when high tight came in. Right, So we had taken that anchor when we first got there and drug it back over onto the tundra and dug it into the tundra so we're basically tethered into the place, and luckily just ten foot of that bow line was chained and then it went to a regular rope. And so I told my cousin, you know, when you go first, you're gonna have to cut that battle line. And I'll make sure that you know your dad falls behind me, and I'll keep a guard while you start the outboard and all that stuff. Right that that was our game plan.

1:11:16 And so we're sitting there and we're just getting our courage up because it's getting lighter out and all of a sudden, that same side of the wall that the doors on the front side, it sounded like a pellet gun shooting it. At first, it was just that that sound, right, and then the cadence increased where and then all of a sudden, it was like a hail storm against that side. So again immediately we retreated back into that tubby darrels crossed again, Like what the hell? It was like every time we were getting up the gumption to make a break for it, it was almost like they sensed it and they would do something to terrorize us. I felt toyed with. I really felt like cat and mouse type of ship and so that still bothers me to this day. Anyway. So we're in this cubby and we're all being quiet, and after it's quiet for a while, we start whispering because it's getting a lighter outside. And we sat there to where it was light enough where we could easily see the tree line. We couldn't really see into the trees too much because it was still silhouetted, but there was enough daylight to where we could see the open ground and what they've been so quiet for so long. After that, we've we've got our courage up, and so my cousin's in front of me, I'm in the middle, and my elders behind me, and I have the thirty odd six. At this point, my cousin has this shot one and I have my uncle's his

1:12:51 twelve gays old wing mastered, big old long goose gun. It was at twelve gage, but I had that swung over my shoulder for more rounds if I needed him. Because he was in his sixties, he wasn't imbalent, but he wasn't spry, you know what I mean. He kind of walked with a little bit of a hobble, So you know, I wanted to make sure I had enough firepower on me as possible. So it's quiet, and so you know, it's go time. So he has my pocket knife. He has to cut that bow line and jump in the skiff and started. That was our game plan. So we kicked the door open and boom, We're at the edge of the bank in no time. My cousin immediately jumps down. I stopped paying attention to him because my uncle's behind me.

1:13:38 And it's a six seven foot drop on a cut bank, so the dew on the grass and everything it was a little slippery. So I had to help him get his footing so he could make it down the bank safely and not just topple over. And the way I positioned myself with his shot gun on my back, the shoka was kind of pushing me forward the way I knelt down, so I scooped back about four to six inches maybe before I stood up to wait, you know, wait for my turn to get down this bank. And as I get up to full standing height, this rock a little bigger than a basketball, whizzed by the front of my face. Had I not scoot it back, and I just stood up from where I was. We wouldn't have this conversation. Man. As soon as that rock whiz by in front of my face, everything went slow motion and my eyes locked on that rock, and it impacted about part of the river that was about roughly three feet deep, fast moving water. It impacted so hard that rock hit the bottom and sounded like a shotgun blasts before the water could close over it. I mean, pal And as soon as I heard that sound, it was like those ear muffs came off and I could hear clearly.

1:14:54 Again. Everything was still quasi slow motion, but I turned the Actually the rock came from. No, this thing was coming out of the tree line fifty yards away. We'll be back with more big Foot Society after these words from our sponsors. That rock had to have been in flight before I started standing up, you know what I mean. It was like anyway parts. I turned and that big black silhouette was coming out of the tree line. It still wasn't giving anything back. I could. I could tell it was moving, but it was like it was gliding. And immediately with that thirty OT six I put three round center mass bam, bam, bam, and I heard the bullets impact this thing. Now, this thirty OT six is a powerful rifle. Anyone who's hunted knows. We used the same rifle to kill walrus, bear, moose. Thing we've come up against with that rifle, we've killed it. This thing took all three rounds and all. It didn't flinch or nothing. It just stopped moving forward. It just stopped.

1:16:10 It didn't buckle nothing. Well, once I put those three rounds on it and they didn't do anything. I was getting this tunnel vision going on from the shot. Everything was kind of closing in and I turned around. I jumped down because at this point, my uncle's making his way into the skiff and the bow line wasn't cut. My cousin got the motor running, but he didn't cut the ballot line. So I'm yelling at him, throw me the knife, throw me the knife. He does the knife. I set the thirty out six into the bow of the skiff and I'm cutting that line, and I'm telling him idle down, idle down, because he had it idle too high to shift gears right. And of course it was cold and he could only do so much. But you know, it was a tense moment. We're kind of yelling back and forth and as I cut the bow line and I'm putting the chain, and my uncle's kind of got his butt on the edge and he's kind of turned the shimmy in. I shoved him in. I felt bad later because it bruised his wrist pretty bad, but I shoved him in, and when I jumped down, I noticed that my cousin had dropped my shotgun right there on the beach, on this little small landing where we had the skiff perch, And so in my mind eye, I was going to grab my shotgun. I don't know why. I never got an answer of why he dropped my shotgun on the little beach there, but anyway, so I shoved my uncle and I'm thinking I'm gonna grab that shotgun, and the chain was hanging a little more, so I dumped the rest of the chain in there. And as I'm looking at him, and

1:17:44 I'm still yelling at him, the idol down and the idols down, and it shifts right, and all of a sudden, his eyes get little big. My uncle when he landed, he turned around and was looking back towards the direction of the bank, and they're both looking over my shoulder up at the bank and I turned around and as I'm looking up, I saw just up to about mid shin before I realized, this thing is towering over me. And I pushed off from this from the shore and he kicks it in gear out of reverse and we start getting up on step to get out of there. And when we were leaving, he was kind of swaying the skips back and forth, and I thought he was just trying to get up on steps. I thought he was trying to, you know, break the friction of the water to get up on step, you know a little sooner.

1:18:31 But what I found out many years later was he wasn't doing it to get on step. He was doing it to avoid the rocks that they were throwing at the outboard. One rock hit the transom so hard it left a partial puncture hole in the transoms, and you know, we skipped on out of there, and it wasn't gosh. I was in the bow and I'm still having this bit of every thing closing in kind of tunnel vision, and I'm looking for the two hundred and twenty grain bullets for the thirty odd six that we we typically would use for bear and what was in it was one hundred and eighty grain corlock soft tips, you know, the deadliest mushroom in the woods up until that point anyway, and we I mean, that's basically where the encounter ended. When we got down to where the new ya Kok in the confluence of the Lucia Gek River met, we finally took a minute to take a breather, and immediately I felt like I weighed a thousand pounds man from up all night with the tense muscles and everything, and finally feeling like we're we got away, I felt like I weighed a thousand pounds, and that that shrip ruined our relation relationship because when we got back to the village,

1:20:04 anyone with a pair of ears, I was telling them, hey, you know, they tried to get us. You know, my uncle and cousin were there. You know, I was telling anyone who would listen. And my uncle was in a position at that time where he didn't want it made public because of this particular position he had, and I pushed the issue. I inadvertently kind of did no good to our relationship either by pressing it so hard, but because of what had happened, I wanted to tell everybody watch out that they tried to get us, you know what I mean, and they were more wanting to just keep it hush hush and leave it where it was. And because what we went through, I just I couldn't not tell somebody and warned them, you know, and it ruined our relationship.

1:21:01 I was never able to fully make amends with my uncle. He's since passed. And my cousin that was with us. I talked to him once and I went over the encounter of what I remember of it with him and I asked him, am I leaving anything out? And that's when he told me that they're throwing rocks at the outpot. But out of seventeen years we had one fifteen minute conversation since that incident. That is that's incredible, Fred, And thank you for putting yourself back And that must is that hard to retell that? I mean, that's easier than others. Yeah, there's sometimes it doesn't bother me at all, and other times I get caught me emotion of it because like it ruined my relationship with my family. We were thick as thieves. Man. We were three p's in the pod. Us three were always the ones on an adventure, like always it was us three were the main ones that if there was an adventure to be had, we were on it. And since oh six, that all went away. Do you do you blame those creatures for for having a relationship with your relatives ruined? I

1:22:40 can't. I can't blame them. I blame the high stress and their unwillingness to like collaborate. Our basically backed me up. Sure, you know what I mean, because I felt in that moment it was going on, I was by myself because my cousin was under the table, my uncle wasn't responsive. So it was just a further continuation of that. When we got back to the village, you know, I was told I was a crazy drawn. I was told, oh, you're just making sit up for attention. Like why, why in the hell would I make that up for some attention?

1:23:23 You know? I mean I gained nothing from that, you know what I mean? There, I gained nothing. I lost so much. I have gained nothing from it. Have you ever been back to that area or you never go back there? Uh? No, I want to go back. I want to film a documentary. And the documentary I want to do is going to be a cultural thing with just native people's on how our old history from the past kind of meets up with the present, that type of thing. I haven't fully worked it out, but that place is going to be the pinnacle of that documentary, you know what I mean. That it's gonna revolve around that spot. But logistically it is a nightmare to get there.

1:24:18 It was expensive for us, and we lived in Dillingham, you know what I mean. So for me to go from where I'm at now back to Dillingham for the same price, I could go to Hawaii twice. Wow, that's wild man. Yeah, so's Yeah, it's a logistical, a logistical thing. And I sure as hell ain't gone by myself. I need to bring some qualified people. Not that my relatives weren't. They were the most qualified I could think of, even to this day that I know of personally. But everyone's different. You know. I wasn't a hero in that when I made eye contact with that thing. Man, I wasn't going, oh, I'm going to shoot now, I'm going to protect us. No, it was get off me, get you know, get off me.

1:25:11 It was. It was nothing heroic. It was self preservation in that moment when I started shooting through the wall. Initially my uncle and cousin didn't even exist in my mind in that moment. It was such a shock to my system. It was like every fiber of my being wanted to flee, but it was stuck in my skin. It was like an electrical charge, like a just a shock. Hmm. It's it's probably one of the most intense I would say it is the most intense encounter I've ever heard. Fred that that is incredible that you guys actually survived that and thankfully you did. Man.

1:25:58 Well, yeah, and that's another reason I have the channel. I also have a website, Subartic Alaska sasquats dot com. I have an interactive map of Alaska and you can zoom in on an area and there's marker pins and if you touch the marker pin, it's are you click on it. It's embedded with my YouTube channel, so it'll bring up the encounter video from that area. So, fellow Alaskans, are people traveling here, can let's say they're going to Kenai Peninsula, They're going to be by Skilac Lake. Let's say, just as an example, they could zoom in on the map, see the skil Lake, touch a pin and they could hear and encounter someone it had from that area, not to scare them away, but to make them aware. It's like bear aware sides, be aware of the bear.

1:26:43 You know. It frustrates me that so many people have these encounters, but yet it's treated like, oh, they're they're making up a story for attention. Man, No one needs this kind of attention, you know what I mean. It's not it's not a badge of honor. But what drives me is no one asked for it. No one asked to be accosted by this big thing out in the woods when they're doing their day to day shit. No one asked for that, you know what I mean. And so I'm biased though. I don't trust them for nothing. And when I hear what I consider fanciful, happy go lucky stories about my forest friend, I ain't my friend. I could never be comfortable with one near me ever again.

1:27:34 And I can't honestly say that if one wasn't near me, I wouldn't just open fire on it. But that's my own personal bias, and so I leave that out of the encounters I share from people, I just share what they shared with me. I don't put a spin on it. I just I give what I was given, you know what I mean, and I leave my personal bias out of it. There is a guy that he shared an experience where he was rescued by a female near the Gulkana River back when he was ten, and I asked him. I was like, man, that's pretty cool. I haven't heard anything positive, so you know, how did you feel? And his words were, I felt like they were trying to get rid of me because of the search and rescue efforts. They had helicopters, small planes, you know, the troopers out in mass looking for him. And he said he didn't feel good about it. He felt like they're getting rid of the nuisance versus really being helpful. Wow. This has been an incredible conversation. Fred. As we start to head towards the end of our time together, do you have any words for people that might be thinking, you know, I'm going to go out I'm going to find a big foot this weekend. Do you have any the words of advice of

1:29:08 how they should maybe change their thinking a little bit. I would say, be careful of what you wish for. Uh, and it's not going to be what you think. It's not it's not going to be a harmonious whatever maybe going through your mind. Don't don't go in naive. They're they're not our and now this is my opinions. They're not our force friends. And I can only speak for Alaska because I know it's different than in the States. There's a different level of aggression. Just be careful what you wish for you. You don't want what you think you do, You really don't.

1:29:54 Uh, there's there's a level of understanding that you're lacking, and you don't want that. Nothing good is going to come of it. There's so many people that have had encounters who had a camera in their hand and did nothing with the camera. They were soon shot. If you have a weak cart, be prepared because you may need a defense. It's not what you think it's going to be. It's not going to be that exciting oh yea moment. No, it is life altering, terrifying some wise. Words from someone who has had multiple encounters themselves. Fred, thank you so much for coming on and sharing what has happened to you. Do you mind taking a few more minutes and sharing with people how they can keep up to date with sub our to Alaska Sasquatch and what's the best way to do that. Well, yeah, I mean I have a couple of email accounts. They could easily be found in the description of the channel. I leave my phone number, and you know, people can contact me that way during daylight hours Alaska, if you're on the East coast, I'm four hours behind, so you know,

1:31:25 wherever you may be, just keep that in mind. I've gotten calls at you know, three in the morning and at seven am someone's having their copy and they're waking me up, you know, just to ask some questions. I don't mind the questions. I put my number out there for a reason. But I'm easy to find, man, I'm really not hard. You know Alaska and Harryman Project at gmail dot com or no comp I know seven at gmail dot com or you know my phone number which is listed in the opening of my most current videos. So I'm easy to find, and I upload content when I can. I live in Alaska, so I'm in winter prep mode and you know, I got background stuff going on. But I'm very easy to find. You know, if if an eighty something, your old woman in New Orleans, can find me, then anyone can there.

1:32:20 You go man it is. It is incredible the type of people that find people like us. I totally agree with that, but we appreciate it. And Fred, thank you so much for coming on. I hope to be talking to you again sometime in the future. But keep doing what you're doing. Man Yeah, I appreciate it, Manna, and thanks for having me on here. A Big Society article is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can and explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com then we can start the conversation. I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through and I appreciate every one of you listening