I Drove Past Something Massive on a Dark California Mountain Road!

0:00 You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, Bigfoot Society, welcome back. We have the privilege of talking to Doug today. Doug is an individual I got connected to and he had a very interesting thing happen out there in northern California.

0:46 A little background about Doug. He is a retired prison maintenance worker and up there in Dell, Nork County. This is a very interesting story, Doug. I'm going to go ahead and pass things over to you so you have the time to share what happened, and then we will chat about it afterwards. I had received a promotion up to the Pacific Northwest. I worked for the Department of Corrections for the state of California, and I went to a very remote northern prison along the coast, and I had moved up to the area. I was new to the area, only been here for maybe about five six months, seven months. And there's a very very narrow winding canyon pass that goes from Crescent City over to Grant's Pass. It travels through O'Brien and then Cave Junction in Selma, Oregon. And I was going over into Medford once a week and also over to Grant's Pass once a week while I was up here, so I was still learning the canyon because it's a big canyon and it's deep. The roadway, I found out later, actually parallels the one of the forks of the Smith River. So the region is known as the Great American River region because there's a Great American River every twenty miles up the coast. So it goes

2:16 from you know, like five or six of them, and it's just a beautiful area. So I had had an older truck. Yeah, it was new to me. It was a nineteen ninety five Chevy. It was a duallye in a diesel. It didn't have the UH horsepower of the modern trucks, so that when you step on it, it goes. My truck was you step on the gas and wait for it to kind of catch up. Otherwise, if you step on it full, nothing would really happen in the gas gage you go down. So it was a it was a towing vehicle. It was a full eight foot bed quodcab had running boards, lights on it and stuff. So I was coming home. It was in the month of February of two thousand and six.

3:00 Like I said, I was still new to the area. It was cold, and I pulled over at one of the bug stations that as you enter into California from Oregon you have to get your stuff looked at while it was closed, and I pulled off there because I knew I could rest. It was late, I was tired. It was a little bit after midnight, so I just laid there with the engine running to keep my feet warm and close my eyes because I had to go to work the next day. It was a Thursday. So I sat there at the engine running and it's dark. There's no lights around there. It's not like the city, and I just kept the cab lights on with the doors locked and was idling with my eyes closed, And after about twenty thirty minutes, I said, okay, you know you wake up every now and then just because you didn't want to make sure your feet are okay because it was cold, and I go, you'll be okay because it's a good hour and twenty minutes home from there.

3:56 It's still i'd been driving. It was late, and I left the bug station about maybe twelve thirty five, twelve thirty somewhere in there. So as I drove, you go up and you enter into what's called Coliar Tunnel. So it's a big tunnel that cuts through the mountain and a big, big, big drop down the mountain side. So as I was coming down, because it's so dark there, you get tractor traders for the logging companies that go flying through there at night sometimes, and I've seen them because they scared me a little bit, and their back end is up on the back of the truck. So I had my highlights on and it's so dark because you can see the cars coming from a distance. Then you just back your lights off so you're not blinding them. I didn't know until later that the area where I was at I was going to be entering into is actually called the Narrows. So the roads are only eight foot roads, very little shoulder on each side. One side is a canyon wall that goes straight up the other side is the guardrail that goes down on the mountain side right there.

5:04 So I was. Driving and you have to watch out for deer and stuff, because I've been through there where you come out of that tunnel and then there's this deer standing right there and they're going fifty miles an hour. So my truck was such that it goes you can put it in one or two. That truck had it where you could put it in gear number two. I just let the weight of the vehicle go, so I was just cruising, foot off the gas, foot off the brake, going through the tunnel, going down the hill. Everything was fine. I came to an area and they've done some construction to the area with barriers and the road signs and things like this now. But it had a twenty mile an hour curve. There was no flashing light, but there's a flashing light there now. And as I was watching, I was looking at my lights because my truck, even though it was a four wheel drive.

5:58 It sat like this, so it wasn't up and lifted or anything. It was like this. It was a tow truck kind of And so when I had my highlights on, they went up higher and out further. So I was driving and I was watching my lights as they went through the guardrail on the side, and they were projecting the shadows onto the trees. So I was just going through there and ice and slow. My foot wasn't on the break or on the gas for nothing. I was just coasting, maybe about twelve miles an hour. As I came around the corner, I was watching the projected shadows up on the mountain or on the side there. All of a sudden, I saw this just huge giant shadow. And then I followed it back immediately to the roadside, and right there in front of me was this giant thing. And I'm looking at it.

6:50 And the first thing I thought in my mind, because it was it was huge, I thought to myself, giant gorilla. That's the first pot thought that popped in my head, was giant gorilla. Then I looked and I was watching him walk, and I said, no, it can't be a gorilla. And there's a number of reasons for that. But the first one was is he was walking too upright, he was too straight. And as he was walking, I went, oh, so that's what he looks like. So I go, that's what the sasquatch is. That's the first thought that went on in my head. Now I had probably about maybe about seven seconds, six seven seconds where I got to just take it all in. So there was things that I noted in my mind right away because I was probably about eighty.

7:39 Eighty feet from him or so, but he was right there. And the first thing I noticed that his head was between his shoulders because his shoulders were so huge and massive. The color was i'll call it dark charcoal smoky gray, and he wasn't completely covered in hair. It looked like the real thick hair up here on his shoulders, neck and upper body was like what she would think of like a lama. It was real thick and long like that, and it was kind of mangy looking. And then he had no hair on his bicep tricep area, and then it started at his elbows and went over his hands.

8:22 His hands went down almost to his knees. I saw him swinging his hands. I got to see him take. I counted the steps with his right foot. I saw his right foot come up three times as he was walking, and he had bare butt cheeks. I saw his bare butt cheeks he had. His hair went down the middle of his back like a lion. It vied down his back, and his back was just huge. He had bare latch. The sides of his back had no hair on him at all. He had bare butt cheeks. I could se hair off of his hips as I got closer to him, and then his upper thighs were bare too, and he had hair that was on him. But then as soon as it got to his knees, it was like his elbows.

9:11 From his elbows down over his hands covered his hands. Then it was from his knees and it covered his feet. But I saw it when his foot come up. When his foot come up, I could see the bottom of his foot. And when his hands swung there was a unique swing in his arm because his arm went forward a certain way, but when his hand came back, his wrist turned a certain way. It was weird. It had a little curl to it, kind of like. So his hands were going in the in the walk. And the thing that I noticed was as I took it all in, is that when he wasn't completely covered in hair, what I saw, if you want to call it hide or skin, it was kind of like think fit for a minute. When you looked at the Lord of the Rings and they had the orcs, their skin was kind of like smooth, but it wasn't smooth royally.

10:02 It was kind of like like a. Like a buffalo hide kind of like or something like you know, it was that, but I don't know if it was it was little fur on it or if it was scanner or whatever it was. But on his back, I saw these like, uh, scab things like they were black. His palms were black. Bottoms of his feet were black, like a dark dark charcoal black almost. And his foot didn't have an end step. He didn't have like we have a figure eight almost in our foot and endstep look a giant moccasin almost. And you could see his foot when it come up. So he picks his foot up differently than we do too, because when I was watching him walk, his leg came up and I could see his foot didn't go back and then back a certain way it went like a step, and then it went and it kind of picked up funny, it was different. So I was watching him walk and I'm driving and my jaw is just like like this.

10:56 So I'm looking. Well, on my truck, I had running board lights on the side, I had cab lights on the front. I had lights on the wheel well two, and then there were lights across the back of the tailgate too. So when I drove up next to him, he wasn't startled. He didn't try to avoid me or run away or nothing. He just walked. So as I'm driving, I'm just like, I'm like holding the wheel and looking. I'm really astonished and amazed, and I'm just looking at him. So as I'm coming up next to him, and I go like this, and I look up out the window, I see how big he is. The muscles in his back when I was there looking at him, they were almost like the hunchback and ore Dame, because you look at the muscles, these are trapezias, and you've got your trapezoids, You've got your muscles in the back. And then his lats very thin, tiny waist. His legs were one third of his body size. So from his hips up he went up like a big V and he was at least two thirds that upper body was his entire size, so his shoulders were just huge. He was probably at least close to maybe four and a half to five feet wide. He had no neck because the muscles were so big. But I could see a little head on the top to where it was between his shoulders. But as I drove past him, I was looking. I was looking up. I mean I was straighting to look up at him. Now, the truck wasn't like my new truck.

12:27 Now I have a. Newer trucks that's lifted a little bit and it has the horsepower. But as I was driving, I looked up at him. He didn't turn a look at me or nothing. I just looked at him. So his arms looked long and skinny like a basketball player. I'm six foot two. I can touch eight foot two ceiling. No big deal. I've played against seven footers in basketball because I've been this big since I was fifteen. My coach in high school was six foot nine. He was a second string the center for the Chicago Bulls. I played down the Los Angeles area, so I know height pretty well. And I used to be in the military, so I was an officer in the military. Too, So I'm very good with the observation, and you can tell I might be a little bit over descriptive on some things, but.

13:17 People tell me that. So as I drove past him and looked, I looked. Up at him, I was really kind of scared, to be honest with you. I was amazed, astonished, and just like going, wow, this is just unreal time kind of almost stopped and stood still as I kind of coasted past him, going what the heck is that? You know? And when I drove past him, I could tell you more about what I saw. But when I drove past him, I said. Around and around and around and around. I want to see it looks like from the front with my lights on him, you know. But I was scared because right there, this immediate s turns and it went into a little curve right there, and I couldn't make a three point turn.

14:00 There's no way it would have been like a five point turn. And I was scared because as I drove past him, I was looking in the mirror at him too. So I looked in the mirror to look at him, and I didn't really think about it until I started pondering a little bit more. I don't know if it was the uh, the reflection of the tail lights. I didn't step on the brakes or nothing, but the lights and the lights across the tailgate were on and it shined up on him, and the lights on the side were orange, so he was orange. When I drove past him this way, he was all lit up, kind of orange. When I drove past him and looked in the back, his eyes did glow. The color of him is what I would call like fire orange or like fire red, kind of almost, because they were orangish red kind of like.

14:51 And I don't know if it was the reflection so much of my lights. I don't think it was a reflection, but I saw it was. His eyes were orange orangish red. He didn't pursue me or nothing like that, but I was afraid that maybe he would, because where I went into the s turn, he could have run, come down and then got across and then been right in front of me because I was coming back in an stern kind of light. So I was looking to turn around, and I'm going here here, and I didn't. Know what to do. So at that immediate point, as you come around that bend, it squeezes even more narrow and goes into this thing that wiggles back and forth like this, and that's scary because it climbs a little bit. And that's where I've seen the trucks come flying through their times. And I said, don't try to make a don't turn around here because you could get t bone, because those trucks come through there pretty fast sometimes. And so I was looking for a place to pull out to turn around, and I finally got to a point where I was at I saw an actual road that I could go on, and it was Little Jones Creek, and I said, well, don't because you've driven too far. It's too late. You've got to be satisfied with these You didn't get a chance to turn him and see him. And more likely, if you do turn around and go back, try to look for him, he might not be there. But once you get to the point where you think you saw him, if you turn around then come back, maybe he's going to be in the middle of the road right there and he's going to confront you. And the size of

16:23 this thing was such that it would have it could have easily ripped the truck door off, no problem. He could have pushed the truck over the side of the mountain if he wanted to too, even though it was pretty heavy old one. It's just it was huge. So when I drove past him at. The closest point, I was maybe about eight feet from him. And when I drove past him, those long, thin, skinny arms that I thought looked like basketball player arms, they really weren't skinny at all. They were big. And his chest, his chest was up close to his chin, he was his chest was huge. And from the profile of him, I saw how his chest was just huge and it was bare. I could see hair, but I saw a lot of skin there too. Then I saw his ribs, then his stomach sunk in to his waist. So he didn't have a quarter on the fat the muscles on this thing, if you want to call it Arnold Schwarzenegger.

17:25 But he was super super lean, and his biceps weren't bulky around like the Mister America Universe guys. They weren't round and bulky. They were just long and thick. He was just monstrous. So the view from the side was is that his head went back, It sloped back like this a little bit. It had like hair missing. He did have wherever he call it a furrowed brow where his eyes were. He kept looking straight. He didn't have a gorilla nose or nothing. It was human type nose, and it was it was, it was. It was big and wide. He had hair that started to grow off of his off of his mouth on the side there. He didn't have a mustache. He had like the wolverine thing.

18:13 Kind of like going on, but it was all up here in his body, and the hair on his arms where it was h it got to his shoulders and stopped. And his shoulders were like giant watermelons. They were huge. His trapvious and back muscles were so pronounced. He tapered into v tiny waist. I saw his butt crack. I saw hair hanging down from his groin area. I didn't see any any genital or nothing like that, but I did see hair hanging down there. So I was just thinking back on it. It was about as rare as rare it could be. It was very strange to me. I was new to the area.

19:01 I you know, what do you do? I was the mountain passed there, Like I told you, it was scary. There's one section not even too far from there where you're getting over to Patrick's Creek. When you go through the pass and the roadway there, you got to watch out. The truck'll almost hit you. And there's a rock there where there's a shelf hanging above your head, and there's a little tree grown off of it right there. It's about as if you want to call it, that squatchy as it could be, and it's it's all granite. The river is right there. I don't know where he came from. His hair looked like he could have just got up from laying in the in the leaves, you know. I didn't see any leaves in his hair or nothing, but his hair was all kind of wispy and wavey, kind of liked, but it was just very unkept. So I went home. My son was there. I didn't say nothing to him. I went to the next morning. I told one of my coworkers who's a fisherman and a hunter who's been up here for it, had been up here like twenty eight years and he's gotten multiple elk beer bears fished out in the ocean on the river forever.

20:17 And he was part part Native American because of his grandparents. And when I told him, he just didn't say nothing. He just stared at me like I was nuts, and he didn't say anything, didn't acknowledge it, didn't feedback or anything. And. So it was kind of like I was looked upon, like, oh, you've been up here seven months and you've already seen a sasquash, you know. And the thing of it was, I just shut up and didn't say nothing anymore because it was little element or ridicule. And I got to the point over time, or I did mention it to some people, and it got to the point where over time I eventually met someone that I married, and when she was going with me through the mountain, passed come over here for medical and dental services and stuff. I just mentioned to her, says, you know, hey, I saw hosquatch coming up on the road right here, and I showed her where it was, and she started peppering me with questions, and she asked, she goes, well, how big was he? I told her, and I go she goes, did he have a neck? And I said not really?

21:17 And she was going back and forth and she goes, you really did see him, didn't this? I said, yeah, I'm not just saying it, you know, so I've done research. We've gone out looking quite a bit. I've gotten on onto the reservation. I've actually gotten into the snow where I found footprints in the snow and took some pictures. It's not too far from where the Patterson Gimblin film has been. We've been to a few conferences. I've got to share my story and experience at a couple places. One place, I think it was, yeah, one place. And I've met some of the different figures in the Bigfoot community where they've.

21:59 Spoken at these places and I talked with them. I got doctor Meldrum to autograph a replica of Patty's footprint. We've been over to Bluff Creek a number of times, Willow Creek, hiked around. I made an initial report a few years afterwards to the BFRO and there was no acknowledging of nothing. I waited a couple of months, and then I contacted him again. They finally got back with me. They asked for some specifics, and I gave him an actual pinpoint on the Google Maps Google World, I think it was. I gave him a little pin, a red pin dot, and next thing you know, I heard him talking about it on one of the podcasts, and apparently when I first passed him up and I went into the turn right there, in that immediate turn, there's a creek.

22:52 That comes off the mountain and it's called Monkey Creek. So apparently James Buffet had an incident up on the mountain on the top up there, because we've been up there where he did an Ohio yell and it sounded like three of them came from a mile away, and the scared his girlfriend so bad she said, you get me out of here now. So my fiance was with me. We went out and we went looking and. It's kind of eerie out there. So I don't know if it's real or true or not, but she said that when we were driving out, the windows were down. She said that she heard woolfs something like this to us, and she goes, there's no dogs, and I heard wolfs, So I don't know. You know, sometimes people get a squatch fever where there's a sasquatch under every every leaf and every tree. So, like I said, as I started talking about it at work, there were some Native American friends that I talked to that sort of tell me about their experiences and how they'd seen him, and the similarities were just amazing, and that's what got me to go and look. So we've been in some areas where they've seen him quite a bit. I've read a lot of books since then. Some of the books are from David Plaid's and the Missing four one one.

24:20 One of them is the Tribal Bigfoot and the hoop of Project. But he had some more witnesses, and one of the witnesses I found out in the area. I saw what I saw in two thousand and six of February, and then the next summer of two thousand and seven, a truck driver was there and I believe he saw the same one. I've talked to him about it since, but he's never confirmed with me the color things like this. He's just an interesting guy. He's seen him twice up here in the same vicinity. And the picture was drawn. I've met Harvey Pratt. I showed Harvey a picture of what I drew. Someone someone at work, Native American inmate talked to me one time in Level one and he said, Doug, you should sketch your sketch of what you think it looked like. So I did a little sketch of it.

25:16 And when I showed up to Harvey Pratt, Harvey said, you got that right, and I go, what do you mean? He goes, they have a cape. So Harvey says, that's what happens. You think of it. It's like a one of the Viking coats that they wear. You know. It's all airy, like a buffalo or something, you know, big old. Mangy thing kind of like coming down and then it papered down and then his back was bare and it came in like a lion where a bead down his back, down the middle of his spine. So, uh, when I drove past him, his mouth was open like this. He was walking like that, and I couldn't really see his teeth, but I'd imagined they were kind of grungey.

25:58 Maybe I'm guessing, I don't know. But he just walked and his mouth was down on the sides like this. He had hair out the side there and he just walked. But like I said, his chest was huge, his arms, his arms were huge, so guessing height twise, if. I was outside of my truck, I would have had a hard time. I wouldn't have been able to have jumped and touched the top of his head, and when I was younger, I could touch my elbows on the rim, I bumped my shoulder on the backboard. I've had my head in the net. I can jump really high, but I'm older now I can't jump like that anymore. But I guessed he had to be at least between nine foot six and about ten foot four somewhere in there. About ten feet I guess was. And when I looked at him, because his legs were kind of like a frog leg they were frog legs, kind of like they were very lean, very muscular, but they weren't bulky. From what I saw from the back with his butt cheeks. I guessed his weight originally about maybe about six hundred pounds.

27:04 I wasn't sure. But I've got friends that are about an inch bigger than me that weigh like four hundred pounds, and they're big, they're strong men. But you touch them when they're squishy. So I do know that muscle weighs, more so looking about it at it now and being a little more critical in my in my process of thinking the uh, the weight of this thing had to be between eight hundred and one thousand or more pounds. Easy, because he was over ten foot tall muscles were just amazing. His feet, like I said, were black. I didn't see thee instep.

27:44 It was like a moccasin. His fingers were long, but the hair actually covered his hands, and I only saw his hands when they did this little twist and turn coming back, so. It'd be nice to Yeah, it was like a it's like a It just turned funny. And then when I mentioned it to my friend about my experience, he was telling me he saw the same thing when he was hunting. One cut across the front of his truck, and he said, and he actually mimicked the movement of the arms, and I go, that's how his hand turned like to me. He goes, yeah, it turns funky in his wrist. So the one that he saw was the color of our caterpillar. It was black and red like an orange. And he goes, it's like the color of our caterpillar. So listen to different people talk in this area. My wife worked in a business where she knew someone that had been one of the male couriers up the mountain side up in the Back River area, and she was up there early in the morning, like three thirty four o'clock delivering mail or newspapers or something, and there was a big white one that poked his head inside of her door one time and scared the daylights out of her.

28:58 So she quit. And so this whole area up here is known for it. I've heard all sorts of stories, you know. Not too long ago, they put out an announcement saying, hey, if you've got some parabolic mics and recording devices and stuff, we've got an account. We're on this one hiking trail. They didn't give specifics because sometimes everybody is like after proprietary things. Everybody wants to be the person with the badge. And look what I discovered, you know, that's not me. To me, I don't know what it is, Okay. I never had any experience of thinking about it.

29:41 When I was in. High school back in the seventies in our drive and we were all standing around and watching the movie in high school and it was the Patterson Gillman film on the screen, and a friend of mine since grade school says, oh, look, this proves evolution looking there, and I'm like going, you know, and I've never I never bought into you know, that we come from monkeys and stuff like that, you know, billions of years and it's lime plus time and there you are. You know, it's from me to you via the zoo. You know, I never thought that. So it didn't look like Patty. It looked different. It was.

30:22 It was very big, very muscular. It was monstrous. He's huge. And uh but the hair was interesting. The hair was really neat, and like I said, it was different than ours because even though it was thick up here, down off of his hips, when I drove past him, you could see they were long and they were like thicker and it was like I wouldn't call it like you know, a sea, an enemy or nothing like that, but they stuck out longer on the side. And then he had these pock marks on his back that were like maybe he'd gotten hurt or shot or stuck with a with elkhorn or something. Who knows, I don't know, but they were they were black like scabby things on his back and his skin was smooth. But like I said, he even had some of those little black things on his butt cheeks.

31:15 I saw, I saw his spot. It's bear and uh, so there you go. If you have any questions, absolutely, oh my goodness, this is probably one of the most detailed accounts I've heard, and it's fantastic. Uh, just it's incredible that you're able to to remember all those details. Hats off to you. I did want to. I looked up big Foot Mapping Project real quick, and it looks like in that very similar area where you're talking about. Uh, there was also another because did you ever talk to Daniel Perez, I've heard for a newspaper.

31:59 I've never talk with them. There was somebody Willow Creek that that I tried to talk to that got real nasty with me on the internet one time. So well that's not good. Sorry about that, whoever that is. But this is on Bigfoot Encounters dot com. And it sounds like on September twenty second. This isn't two thousand and five, so I mean same similar timeframe. And there was a trucker that had a sighting of one that he said was about eight foot tall, about eight hundred pounds, So very very interesting that that area sounds like it is just extremely active, which you know, we definitely already.

32:45 Most listeners would be like, oh yeah, del North County for sure, but like to know a specific area like this where you know and you talked about Boba was encounter as well, which was very very cool, But I do have some specific questions four you dog as well. Did you notice anything about the shape of the head itself. It was kind of comical from what I could see. From the distance, but I don't know if that was because of the way it was positioned within his muscles in his back. It was low, his back was so wide, his shoulders were so broad that all of a sudden, I. Saw this little peak at the top like this. On my hand, it's like that.

33:26 When I drove past, my head was round, but his head went back, like I said, his forehead went back like this, and he had a receding hairline, and then his hair went into his shoulders right up here. So it was all real big like that. So, like I said, his jaw was like that, It was down here, and he was just walking. He was up straight, but it seemed like he was leaning forward a little bit, you know, not a whole lot, but he wasn't slouched forward. So the interesting thing, like I said, was the ratio of legs to upper body, because his upper body from his butt up was huge.

34:11 Which is really some of your details, well all the details, but some of them specifically are really cool to hear, like the one you just pointed out, and also how it was lifting its foot off the ground, really really cool stuff to hear. Could you see any ears at all? Were there any present ears? Not that I could see because the hair was all up that way. Okay, you mentioned there were like weird scab like things on more on the back. How big were those scabs? Were they small or large or. Noticeable right away from when I saw them from about eighty feet and I was just traveling about maybe I was maybe going twelve to fifteen sixteen miles an hour.

34:57 It says on the sign they're twenty, but uh, I wasn't going that fast around the corner. But when as soon as I saw him and looked, it was that you could see him. There was there was a couple of them. There was a big one on the right side in his lat area. But there was other ones too, not a whole lot, but there was a big one in his lat area on his right side. So I don't know what it was. And if I say it that his skin was skin, but it was like it was hide. It was like, like I said, it wasn't smooth it was weird. It was different than ours. It was like a like you would think I've never seen a rhino up close or an elephant. You know, I don't know if it can't puncture it or whatever, but uh, just it was weird. And like I said, there were a couple of little ones.

36:02 I don't know if they were moles. You know, they could have been moles. Or something, right, because I saw some similar ones on his butcheets. His butt was tiny, and his butt was very lean. Everything his legs were sinewy kind of if you want to put it that way. And then his bicyp tricep area was as big as the length of my thigh. I'm six foot two, so I don't know how long everything is here. But but when I drove past him and I saw these long basketball arms. But when I saw the long basketball arms, they were they were big and it was a long muscle. And but his forearms were I'll put it. I forgot to tell you this. His forearms were popeye forearms. I didn't know if it was because of the hair, but his forearms were flipping huge. Compared to like I said, it was like, think of it like shaven a poodle like it.

36:57 You know, they got the His bicyp trice was like lean and skinny and nothing. Then all of a. Sudden, he had these big, old popeye forearms that were covered in hair. Those were those were monstrous. Those his forearms were monstrous. And then the Indians told me that the reason they wear those those boots, like those fuzzy type it was like an it's not al paka, it's an angora goat or on goora sheet, whatever it is. They wear those boots because those are ceremonial boots because they're doing their dance, you know, and they're in replication in a sense. Of the hairy man. And okay, that's what his legs look like too, because the hair started to grow right about his knees and then it covered his whole leg and it went over his foot. I couldn't see anything because it was like the hair touched the ground and when his foot came up, all you saw was the bottom of his foot.

37:53 And like I said, it was big. It was real big. I wear size fifteen and his foot was it was huge. So did it kind of look like almost like hairy bell bottoms then? Or yeah, well it was his hair was. Real if you want to call it shaggy, but it was just it was. It was mangy, kind of like I said, when when he when I looked at him and I was driving past him, and I was so from a distance, you'd have felt like he had there's a chance that he had just come up from the river right there, because I've been back to that spot number of times and right there there's a pullout and there's an area that goes right down to the river right there, but it's pretty rough. You try going down, good luck getting back up where he came from. And why he was walking on the road, I don't know.

38:45 But his hair looked it was mangy and nasty. It was thick and clumpy. And you know, I've heard reports of people saying how some of them glisten in the sunlight or the whatever, and they look very very well groomed and things like that. He wasn't groomed at all. He was pretty mangy. So if you want to look it up, if you look up, it's called gigantopithecus. I don't think they're a gigantopithecus. I don't know. If you look up Gigantopithecus tropical on a Google search. You'll see in images right there there's a there's a pencil drawing and there's a tropical on the left. There's a Gigantopithecus blackie in the middle. Then there's a six foot man right next to him. The one on the left looks like exactly almost like what I saw. Turn him around, make him about two feet taller and wider, and that's what it looks like, almost almost.

39:42 It's a good, good depiction of it. But he had the face of the blackie because his nose wasn't upturned like an ape nose. It was flat, wide, broad human type nose. And the six foot man there, if you have him raised his hand up and look, the one that I saw was a lot taller than the one you see. In that drawing. So, yeah, I found the exact one. It looks like. This is actually uh you can find this on bfro dot net. It's the big foot giganto theory and you can find the line line drawing on there. But yeah, so the one on the left, but with the face of the one on the middle.

40:24 Yeah, and a lot taller and bigger, less hair, but like that, and it was more grungy kind of like. But to see how his shoulders are round it and he's standing there, kind of one that I had wasn't all round it. He was like I said, his chest was up here by his jaw. He was big. I'm just amazed. I was astonished, amazed. I'd love to see it again. But there's no moment of fright to it too, because I've heard different stories of different people. I'm told that they used to be called stone giants, the Nez Pierce Indians up in Montana and Idaho and the Canada area there. They called them stone giants because they would rub up against him a tree and get sap in their hair, and they'd go on the river bank and roll and get.

41:10 Hair and rocks in their hair. And apparently when the French Canadians that were trappers came through there with rifles, they loved them and welcomed them because they had thundersticks. Because they were no longer a prey, they could actually defend themselves and no longer in a sense be cannibalized. And you know, I don't know, I'm not trying to cause any dispersion or just thoughts everybody talks about them. There's certain people to talk about them, how they look like they're your forest friends. And there's a lot of people up here that have had experiences with putting out food and different things like that. But other people, some folks don't want to talk about it. But one of the buddies that I know, he made a comment he said that one of his girlfriends years ago, her uncle was up here hunting and elk hunting, and he had smelled something and turned and next thing you know, he woke up thirteen miles away in a puddle of water and his rifle was gone.

42:07 You know, these are some of the things that you hear around here. That was del Noork County as well. No, that was up in Curry County in southern Oregon, so that's where right there. Yeah, we cross over the border. So that's where I was a resident. I was with the Department Corrections for a number of years. I've been up here for about twenty years or so, lived in Oregon, relocated, So. Yeah, it'd be nice. I don't know. Some people say that that once that you've experienced it and known that they've you've seen them, there's some kind of connection where maybe you could see him again. I don't know. People have talked about where they've come from.

42:58 I don't know. The DNA project is real interesting. I don't know. You know, I'm not the guy, uh I think of it now. Because I've listened to different podcasts that are all over the internet, and you get some amazing stories that are scary to death and some that are interesting. I just know from my experience, I was afraid that he could rip the door off my truck, that you'd never find me if they'd find my truck. You can't hurt this thing, okay.

43:40 Honestly, there's people that talk about it where you're gonna shoot him from the side or do something and bag them, and the government coming in and men in black or whatever. I don't know. My whole thing is we want to. Live somewhere where we can be out in the wilderness and maybe have a little hobby farm or something, you know, and if they come around, they come around. The story that I learned from the Native American that told me about it about drawing the picture. His name was Freddie, and he was over near Lake Tahoe at the reservation over there, and he saw him when he was a little boy, like nine years old. Him and his little brother and sister were walking home and there was a real big one over by an apple tree and it was pursuing them, but it had a limp, and they went to a neighbor on their way home to their house and got a ride home because the big monster was coming after him, and they could see him as they drove away. And they told me whether it's true or not, I don't know that I was chosen and allowed to see him at that time. I do know that it's very rare. It was quite an experience. I had a really hard time at that time. I had relocated and was going through a divorce. But the thing is, it was very unique. I've gone out many many times.

45:07 Like I said, after one of the first snows of ten inches, we were driving in the area where the Native American friend of mine has many sightings from his family. His family see him multiple times. I just stopped to use the restroom and I looked, and as I was walking over, I looked it and there it was. And I went over and I go those. Look like footprints, and I saw the toes in it, and it went off in two hundred yards in one direction and it didn't come back. But it was ten inches of snow. It was the first snow of the year and it was ten inches in that area. And like I said, I wear a fifteen and it was bigger than my foot, but it had toes in it in the snow. So wow, it's a neat area. I'm told that if you just go out there, to go out there and camp, just camp and wear the same clothes every weekend, go out every weekend, and just can't because they'll make themselves known to you. My wife's afraid.

46:06 She thinks they're gonna hurt us or throw something at us. And you know, I already have a crack in the windshield. I don't need any more damage on the vehicle. But uh, someone said that they will make themselves known to you, and I don't you know. To me, there's an element of fright and fear. And I've talked to different people that have had experiences where all of their electronic equipment has just dyed, all the batteries die, and they check them before they go out, they get out there, they're done. People that have been have seen them put their hand against the tent and stuff like this. I don't know. All I know is one of the ladies that I spoke to told me that she was with someone who had been an army ranger and the guy had a lot of experience, and when it came right down to it, he was just scared.

46:55 Something less. He was scared to death and there's no way he would do anything because it just it's admitted a sense of fear to him. So whatever the powers are, I've listened to Ron Moore ahead and where they were camping, because that's where that's kind of where Fred's reservation is is near that area where Ron Moorehead was up in the mountains and recorded the Sierra Screams. So, like I said, I feel very fortunate to have had that experience to see him close. I don't make myself out to be any type of an expert or anything like that. I don't know, but at the same time I would I'd love to see him again, but you're not going to see him behind the cage in the glass where you feel safe.

47:40 And I don't know. If it's such that because we traveled through that area quite a bit still. We even came through this morning for a dental appointment and we're on the lookout all the time. There's been some fires in the area, so it's just decimated it. It's just horribly burnt. But a lot of people have experiences that don't share them, so. That's part of it. Oh yeah, one hundred percent. I would say probably half the stuff I hear is you're not going to hear on the show or it's it's just there's a lot of people that share off to the side. So living in southern Oregon for that time, there's so many weird things that happen in southern Oregon when it comes to bigfood, like that's where the really weird stuff happens. I feel, and you don't hear a lot from that area. Did you or were there any other accounts that you remember hearing over the years from Southern Oregon.

48:50 Yeah. I was in a gym and one of the girls that was teaching in aerobic side class for the ladies I saw on the internet one time social media and she had a picture of Bigfoot and I'm a believer on it. So I messaged her and I said, hey, you know, people started hearing about how I'd heard it. I'll tell you a couple and she says, oh yeah. She says, it's fourth of July. There was one about nine feet tall walk through my yard right over here, you know, nine ten o'clock at night. She goes, I know it was a bigfoot, and then I'll just tell you my workout. Buddy was one of the three founding families of Brookings, Oregon. His great great grandfather had jumped off a Russian merchant ship up in Port Orford, Oregon, swam ashore in the cold water, hiked down over two hundred miles and married into the Indian tribe.

49:41 Now he's part of the tribe registered with him, and he's got red hair and freckles. Nice. One of the nicest guys you ever met in your life. His family owned a big, big ranch, nine thousand acres up here, and they'd split it when some of the family members decided to leave, so it's five thousand acres now. But uh, they were gold mining and all sorts of stuff up in the mountains and done different things. And he said to me one time, after I told him, I kept it to myself quite a long time, and you gotta get people up here kind of tight lip. They don't share a lot of stuff. So he'd told me, he goes, yeah, my dad's not one to exaggerate. But he had been working up off the river one time and he went down to the river to wash up his pans and his tools, and he smelled something really bad, and he got down to the river and started washing up, and he saw footprints in the river bank right there, and they were fresh.

50:37 There was a big set and there was a little set. So he said to himself, there's. A big one and there's a little one. I better get out of here. So apparently there's some lady up near uh COO's Bay who's back in the hills there a little bit, and she she does some dogs and stuff, and uh I told that you want to talk to her because she's got stories. And then there's people here in Gaski, Oregon or Ghaski, California that have been around forever and they have stories. So when I was at work, I mentioned it to one of the guys at work and he said, well, he had a friend that was in Gaski that his daughter got up on time and she was in the kitchen looking out the kitchen window and getting a drink at the kitchen sink, and she looked out and there was a huge one that just walked across the yard.

51:28 He reached over and he grabbed the tree and just snapped the tree as he walked through the yard. She told her dad. The next morning they went outside, and yet the tree branch had just been twisted like that, just twisted right like that. So the stories that are in tribal Bigfoot and Hoopa, of the different people from this area, they're interesting. So one more story and I'll let it be. But I got a friend whose dad is with the tribe in the Yurok. He is one of the last. I think he is the last one of the tribe that can make a canoe out of a tree, out of the one tree, and he burns it and uses hand tools, and he's an amazing craftsman. He had been a timberfeller his whole life. Been retired for a while now, but he makes those once in a while upon request and sells them for a bunch of money. But he had gone hunting with his son and they were in the Trinity Alp, the Trinity Mountains over here over by Weaver Whiskey Town, between Reading and the coast. Over here in the mountains hunting, and he goes, how come I I've been out here in the mountains my whole life and I've never seen anything.

52:44 And then he mentioned, well, there was that one time with my dad. Well, they were camping on the top of this mountain and they saw this blue orb down below, and it was blowing right like that, and it came up and it came up right where they were in there, and then it went down and went away, and he looked at his dad says, what was that? And his dad said, I don't know. You know. Then they don't talk about it anymore. They don't try to figure it out, they don't rack their brains. But they saw something. And so. The stories of this whole vicinity of what you can do and what you can potentially find, you've got to go out and you've.

53:27 Got to put yourself out there to. Have the potential of an experience that you don't know what would happen, but you got to be careful. And I know of the one I heard it on a podcast. It's not too far from over here. It's near I think Castle Crag or whatever the mountain is over here. It's over and reading in the mountain in the mountain area over there. It was a girl who was part of the forestry or something, and she heard him running and coming from a great way off and he came up a mountain side and he came up over the top and he landed and he was howling and screaming. And she was just camping there on a hike out in the wilderness for like three or four five days, and then he just he saw her, caught eyes and start each other for a while, and then he sort of howlowing again. It took off running and there was no footprints for nothing, but it scared her quite a bit. Well, it's not too far from where we are, and I'm trying to tell my wife, you know, let's go camp out there.

54:18 Sometimes she's like, no, I'm not going to do that. And then I tease her and tell her that I'm gonna tire to a tree and cover her and honey, and see what happens. I'm being funny, you know. The thing is right, right is it would be interesting and neat. But at the same time, like I said, I hear these stories from different podcasts where there's the potential that you could be you know, taking killed, eating you name it. I don't know. I don't think they're your friendly forest friend. I just know that that thing was so huge. I was scared. I was amazed that he didn't he was not startled by me. He didn't have a care in the world.

55:04 And he didn't even look over at me. But when I looked in my rear view mirror and saw in the back where he was, and I looked at him, and the look on his face, with those fire eyes, that was enough for me. To go turn around, turn around, tour around. Let's get the lights on him and see how he acts, you know, because the scary thing about it is that truck I had. You couldn't step on the gas and get out of there fast enough. You have to step on the gas and for it to go. And then I talked myself out of turning around because I had gotten maybe about anywhere from maybe five or six miles down the road where I found a road where I could safely turn around and come back. And I thought, don't do it. You've already seen it. It's late enough.

55:49 I'll just give you just so that you can see that what I'm saying is legitimate and confirmed. Kind of. That Christmas, I had gotten a phone for my daughter and she wanted to exchange the phone that I'd gotten for her previously because her older sister I had gotten her phone and it was the BlackBerry. So the BlackBerry was like a very professional personal assistant. It was a nice phone. I liked it because I had a keyboard on it, but the keyboard was so tiny my fingers didn't do too good on it. Well. She wanted social media, so she said, Dad, if you're going to get a BlackBerry, how about you give me yours or I'll give you mine and then you get a phone from me. I want the iPhone. So I got her an iPhone for social media. So before I started going through the canyon there, when I left Grant's past, I thought, just turn the phone off.

56:46 You're not going to use it because there's no reception. And the first thing I thought when I drove past him was get a picture and do what you can, you know, because the thing is, though, this is at that BlackBerry when you started up, you watch it go across with the startup like for like three minutes before the time it only gets over there, and finally it logs on it comes on, then you got to put in your password, and I'm thinking, there's no way I can make this canyon with my BlackBerry phone to get a picture. And it wasn't. It wasn't a very high quality camera. But like I said, I know the area I've been back. It'd be neat because we've gone there in the evening, or we've just parked where I know the truck driver saw and we've just sat there. It's pitch black in the dark, and we've got spotlights. We're sitting there waiting. We're there from two o'clock to four o'clock in the morning, thinking that maybe he'll come by or see this or something. Nothing happens.

57:42 I've done that number of times. But I do know that if you go on to the reservation, you know there's a chance you don't want the Indians coming around and giving you a hard time either. So but I've thought about it where if we just went out and camped and just sat and you know, I'm not going to go out walking and trying to knock on wood and. Do all sorts of different things. I was told just sit there and wear the same clothes because like when you go el hunting, they do what's called the vent cover. They want to make sure that the animals can't smell you. I was told, don't worry about it, just go out in the same clothes. Let them get comfortable and recognize you. So like your red shirt, you'd have to wear that same shirt every weekend and go out in that red shirt and not worry about it and let him see you and go out there. And then I did go on the podcast with West from the Sausquash Chronicles, and he got me thinking on some different things too, So I don't know.

58:45 I listened to his story, but it's hard to stay with certain people sometimes. But apparently what he experienced, and he said that he's a big guy too. He says he could have laid across his shoulders, the big one that jumped down out of the tree. You know, I just know that I'm very fortunate. It was a wonderful experience. I still got the bug and me a little bit. It would be neat to see him again, but you know, we get busy with life and good luck, I haven't had a chance to go out and hunt. Be in a situation. Oh, the one that I'll tell you about is the Indian friend that I had had. He went hunting and it was near Bluff Creek, and he said every year they got deer.

59:35 That year there was a scarcity of deer. His son got one right before sunset and they got down to it and they were about twenty minutes away from where the trucks were, and they thought, well, let's go get the vehicles and bring the vehicles over and use the headlights while we dress it out. So they cut his throat, let him bleed out, and they went to go get the truck. When they came back, there was gone and the blood spot was there. So they came back in the morning and they looked and they saw something like a quad had gone in. So he was thinking maybe two of them had gone in and taken the deer, and his son took a picture of the footprint that they got right there, but his son had had three or four phone since then and they couldn't find the picture.

1:00:24 So that was that area. So the very next year he hunted the same area and he got a deer himself, and he got addressed and he got uploaded on the truck, and as he got it loaded on the truck, and he was driving out it was getting dark, and his wife was next to him in the car and he had one of his young baby son in the back here in his chair, and he was spotlighting out the window in this area where he got the deer and he was looking and his wife says, oh, look, i've got coverage. I should text my mom. And he said what, And that's when he looked up and he saw it run across the road. That was the one that was the kind of way. Yeah, he said, it was about ten feet in front.

1:01:08 Of the road. Wow, he's got a real big big Ford, real big Ford lifted a newer truck. And he said he got to see it go across the road and he said the muscles were amazing. And he said that that's what. He's the one who said he saw the handswing a certain way and he said he was big, Okay, he was about as big as a truck. But he said he went across the road so fast, but it was amazing. He said he saw it right then. He said, he said, his wife said I should tell I should text my mom. I got coverage. And he looked up and that's he said what. And that's when he saw it go across the front of the truck. So that's the area, the same exact spot where his son had had one the year before where the deer rent missing. So people have talked about it that maybe they know at certain times of the year they hear that sound that there's a deer down or something shot, and maybe they have a chance of picking up something fresh and easy.

1:02:02 So I don't know. In the books, I know of two officers. I'd never talked with them, but the two officers were ill counting in this area out here, and they came up a hill and came down and sat down and were taking a break, and they looked across one of the lakes and there was one in the water up to his waist right there, and he was huge, and then they caught eyes with him, and as he was in the water getting out, hey out this giant yell that scared them daylights scared him really bad because it was so loud and reverberated in him. So I enjoy it. My wife and I listened to your to your show. We listened to it last night to thank you. We we've we've been listening to this for probably like the last maybe four or five years and been out and about, but uh, the last two years, right before I got to retire, I was out of the area.

1:02:59 So we've just we've had fun. Some people go, yeah, he's just talking though I don't believe him and all this stuff. Well, my auntitude is is I don't care what you think. Oh yeah, exactly right, Doug. I really appreciate you coming on the show. And I mean, as I said before, it's one of the most detailed accounts that I've heard in the is it seven six seven years I've been doing this, It is extremely detailed. Thank you for sharing what you experienced that day. And yeah, anyone who is listening, if you have had a similar sighting in that same area, I would love to hear about it as well, or southern Oregon. You know, you can reach out to me Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1:03:55 If someone wants to get a hold of me. I've been we were supposed to last I'm gonna go out with that truck driver to an area he says, I know where they're at, Okay, and he said, you got to bring you got to bring a weapon to be able to protect yourself because they know if you've got a weapon or not. He said that they'll be there. He goes, we're going to be across the water from him, but they'll come across the water to you. So he's different. He's about six foot seven. He saw one when he was eleven years old. I followed him on his bicycle when he was camping up in the very same spot off of the Siskey Harks Road and off of Highway one ninety nine, and we went back and told his parents.

1:04:40 They laughed at him. So he's the truck driver that saw that real big one. And I saw a sketch of it and it looks like the one that I saw. I think it was the act for the one that I saw too. His name is Travis, and Travis I've run into the store and we've talked about it and it's kind of neat. But he goes, yeah, i'll take you up this summer. But you know what, you don't hear from him, And there's all sorts of people. You know what, you'd do it as a as a curiosity the show. You're professional, you have the equipment. You can tell from certain people that they're in it for trying to make themselves famous. In a sense, or they wanted to be.

1:05:21 They've got they've got all these desires, and sure there's a financial burden into doing all of these things. But you know what, I met doctor Meldrem, but he had a job at the university. You know, I know David Pilate's he does his books. I've met him. Very interesting man. But I get vibes from people, okay, and there's a lot of folks. They're in it, they're interested. But you know what. All I know is there's an element of joy and happiness about me is I'm glad I saw him. It was kind of freaking that I did. At the same time, I'm still, like I said, there's no reason that I don't think that they made themselves known to me.

1:06:04 I don't know. I do know that. There's all sorts of stories where Dave's talked about how across the Klamath River you'll see a big, old giant pile of poop and then pile of bones, and there's girls that have gone missing up there. You know, I don't know what the story is. I just know that it's interesting, and it's just it's very different. If anybody wants to communicate with me and say Hey, Doug, would you like to go out. I'd be I'd love to go out again and see if I could find him. But like I said, we're going to relocate out of the area and go somewhere else. Right, so.

1:06:47 I'll depend Well, gotcha, people can where listeners you can reach out to Doug. It's Brookingsharbor Dad at yahoo dot com and I'll have that in the description of the episode so you can easily see that. But Doug, thank you so much for again for coming on the show and and for listening along. I do appreciate that. And we'll have to see where this one leads. Maybe we'll have some people reach out with things they've experienced as well. So thank you your time. Thank you. Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity around Oakridge, Oregon and you think to yourself, Man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it for myself. Well guess what this year you can If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's going to be even better than the previous year's reason number one. I'll be one of the speakers. It's gonna be wild. I'll probably I'll say this. There may be stuff you haven't heard anywhere else because is let's just say sometimes it's well, you just got to be there. We'll leave at that.

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1:09:30 Was able to talk to so many people last year and the year before. It is an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it, and I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a National park ranger or forestreet worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.

1:10:17 If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith, or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't, then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous. You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1:10:59 The world needs to hear what you've been forced to carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story, We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to subscribe to the channel on YouTube, hit the bell so you don't miss the next episode, and share this with a friend who's into mysteries, monsters, or the unexplained. And if you're listening to us on Spotify, or Apple Podcast. Please follow the show there and leave us a five star positive review because all that helps more people discover the show. And remember, if you or someone you know has had a bigfoot sighting, please I'd love to hear from you, so email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com and let's start the conversation. If you haven't gotten a chance yet, check out our membership community over at www dot bf Society podcast dot com and that's where you can hear tomorrow's episode today early in ad free and members only episodes every week. Also, it's a place to connect with other people that are into the bigfoot subject as much as you are. Thanks again for following along with the Bigfoot Society until next time, keep your eyes open, trust your gut, and never stop asking what else might be out there?

1:12:22 And see you in the woods.