May 13, 2025

Idaho Bear Hunt Turns Into Bigfoot Encounter!

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What happens when a special ops veteran and a friend embark on a bear hunt in the Idaho wilderness — only to experience something far more unsettling than any bear could be? In this chilling episode, we sit down with Michael, a retired military veteran, who shares his harrowing experience in the remote forests near Crouch, Idaho. What began as a routine hunting trip at Boiling Springs Campground quickly turned into a Bigfoot encounter of a lifetime, complete with strange sounds, eerie silence, and rocks thrown by an unseen force. Michael takes us through the events step by step — from hearing something lurking in the woods, to witnessing rocks being hurled from an unseen presence. What makes this story even more intriguing is that similar reports of strange phenomena are happening in the area. Is Bigfoot more active in Idaho than we think? Tune in as Michael shares his journey of discovering more about the Bigfoot mystery — and how it led him to dive deep into researching the creature. This is an episode you don’t want to miss!

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron

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Tonight's story isn't from a simple hike or a camping trip.

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It's from a military veteran who spent decades in the

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wilds of Idaho chasing bears, not bigfoot. But in the

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fall of twenty fifteen, while hunting near Boiling Springs campground,

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something unusual happened. Rocks were thrown at him, and silence

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fell upon the forest, and something or someone was watching.

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In this episode, we sit down with Michael, who's about

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to take us into the heart of one of Idaho's

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most mysterious bigfoot encounters. And this is no ordinary hunting trip.

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So stay with us, all right, pick the Society. You've

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got the privilege of talking to Michael today. Michael is

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a retired military special ops veteran that has some interesting

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things he's going to share with us on the show today.

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But welcome to the show, Michael. How's it going today.

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It's going really good.

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Appreciate the opportunity to be on your show.

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Absolutely. You know we were talking just before or this,

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and we definitely have some interesting ground to cover. You've

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had more than a few things happened over the years.

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So I'm going to say, let me go ahead, and

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I'm going to pass things over to you, and we'll

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probably chat about things as we go along. So feel

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free to take us back to however far back we

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need to go for when you started getting involved with this.

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Okay, my experience.

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I'm from Idaho, originally from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

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I'm a big city kid.

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Didn't have a lot of exposure into wilderness or anything

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bigfoot related.

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As a child.

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I did see, you know, some in search of television

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shows that you know, just drew my interest, but it

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was really never on my radar, particularly more of an

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entertaining type of involvement. In twenty fifteen, a gentleman and.

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Myself, Eric and I.

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Decided to go bear hunting one season in central Idaho.

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The area that we bought bear tags for and decided

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to go was out of a campground called Boiling Springs Campground,

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just north.

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Of the city of Crouch, Idaho. We got ourselves together.

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We both were carrying rifles and then also had side arms.

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We got to the campground on a Thursday in the fall,

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so it would have been after school was back in session,

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so you know, no family camping or anything like that.

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We got to the campground on a Thursday, pulled in,

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set up camp nothing, just kind of set up, had

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something to eat, and then came up with a game

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plan on what we would do Friday Saturday and then

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probably leave on Sunday.

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So we set up, we headed out before the sun

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came up Friday morning. We had a due north from.

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The campground, and then as you're looking at a map

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or going in a cardinal direction, we were moving due north

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from the campground. There were no other vehicles in the campground,

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so as far as we knew, there were no other

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human beings.

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At that campground. That Friday morning, we set.

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Out, and when you're moving north, you come up to

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a river that you have to cross, which would then

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head you do east or you can stay on the

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west side of the river. And there is actually a

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remote hot springs that's about a three mile hike backcountry

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to this hot springs that I've been to a time

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or two before this particular event. So I thought, well,

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to avoid any humans whatsoever, let's cross over the river

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so that we can be moving in a more remote

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area so that we don't ever have to come across

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a human.

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So we crossed the river. We're probably a good.

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Couple hundred yards to maybe even a half a mile

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to three quarters of a mile from the campground. We

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crossed the river, and by this point the sun is

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starting to show itself, so there's daylight. It's not particularly

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bright out. Still heading north, and now we start moving

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east a little bit and not much further from where

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we were or crossing the river. Sorry, I heard something

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coming through the thicket, so you know, we had bear tags.

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So there was an already fallen pine tree, and I

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gestured to Eric, like, let's get behind the pine tree

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to see if whatever is making the noise coming through

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the woods would present itself. It's pretty thick up there.

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Especially this time of year.

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So we got down behind the pine tree. Nothing ever

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came through or presented itself over the rise.

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And sort of gestured to.

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Eric and I was like, hey, let's like start moving

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in that direction and if we see something like a bear, obviously,

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then we can shoot it. If we see an elk,

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then hey, we know that we can come back up

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here el hunting. So we start moving in the direction

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of what we heard, and we are moving uphill.

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Northeast. At this point, we're moving.

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Uphill and we probably get another two hundred yards from

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where we were behind the pine tree fallen pine tree.

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It was already on the ground. And Eric turns to

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me and he kind of is.

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A little surprised, and he says, did you just see that?

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And I didn't, so I was like, no, what he said,

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something just threw a pine cone at me from that thicket.

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And if you can envision yourself in the wilderness, pretty

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thick uphill, and the distance from where we were to

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the thicket that Eric claimed that the pine cone came

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thrown from it is probably fifty yards maybe sixty yards,

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so not far but not super close. And we went

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to the pine cone and it was a green, closed

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pine cone. So in my mind's eye, I thought to myself, well,

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that didn't fall off of a tree because it's green,

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it's not dried up and ready to drop its seeds,

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so it was pulled off of the tree. So sort

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of like, okay, that's different. We were moving and we

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were sort of moving, and as you know, when you're hunting,

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when you're moving through the wilderness, you're not really at

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the ready until you see something you're not ready to

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put around into your weapon.

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Until you see what you're going to shoot at.

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And we were doing the thing, but at this point,

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I'm a little more attentive. Some of my red flags

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are starting to turn on. I'm becoming more alert, and

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I was like to Eric, I.

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Was like, well, let's go towards it. Let's go towards

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the bush. So we deviate from.

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Where we were going, and we're now moving at a

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steeper grade uphill.

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And because I.

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Am a little more alert, I'm now looking directly at

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the thicket.

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That Eric said the pine cone came out of.

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We get closer, and we get a little closer, and

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I physically see a rock larger than a softball, but

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a little smaller than a cantaloup, so like a big,

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not a small pebble size rock.

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This thing was pretty big.

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I see this thing come out of the thicket like

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an underhand softball pitcher at Eric, and that was very

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confusing to me. Eric turns around and looks at me.

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Eric was in the lead. I was probably twenty feet

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behind Eric as we were moving up the hill. Eric

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turns around to me and I just am dumbfounded, and

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I'm looking at him, and he's looking at me, and

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at this point a little more of my alertness turns on.

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So I put the weapon.

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I put my rifle, and at that time I was

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hunting with a Bushmaster ar platform, so basically, visually it.

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Looks like a machine gun.

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It's an ar platform bush Master thirty thirty. Eric has

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a lever action thirty thirty. He has a forty four

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magnum side arm. I have a nineteen eleven side And

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so now like I'm kind of all my switches are on,

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if that makes sense.

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So I had.

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Now I have the weapon in my shoulder pointed directly

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at the thicket.

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Eric is about twenty feet.

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Ahead of me, closer to the thicket, and we don't

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even speak at this point. I just give him a hand.

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Gesture of let's get a little closer. I'm you know,

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I'm starting to get amped up here.

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So we start moving closer to the thicket. And if

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you're looking when you're moving through the wilderness, the direction

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you're moving, we'll call that twelve o'clock. So we're moving

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at a twelve o'clock direction. Eric is now getting closer

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and closer to this thicket, and from my three o'clock

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an entirely different direction. Also, uphill, something went flying past

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my field division basically over the front of my barrel,

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like a Major League baseball player through it, and that

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just stopped me in my tracks. I then turned to

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my right and I'm looking uphill. I do not see anything.

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We do not see anything in the thicket, and at

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this point we're probably twenty yards ish from it, from

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the thicket that the softball rock came out of, and

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now from my three o'clock uphill, something went flying past

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me very fast. So I am now running through like

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a mental roll of Dex, like what wait a second.

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We're way too close for whatever that was in that

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thicket to our twelve o'clock to run uphill and get

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into another position without a seat and or hearing it.

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So now I'm like, oh no, there's more than one.

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Eric turns around and he's now looking at me eyeballs massive.

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He's very close to that thicket at this point, and

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I was like, oh crap. If something were to come

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out of that thicket chasing after or going to get Eric,

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I don't know if I could put enough bullets in

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it to stop it from getting to Eric. And the

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idea that there's more than one. So basically Eric is

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looking at me, I'm looking at Eric. We're scanning the hillside.

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Do not see anything, and oddly enough something that I

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wanted to point out. While we were moving initially through

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the woods, crossing the river, starting to go through the thicket,

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there was definitely wilderness chat. The squirrels were letting everybody

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know we were there with their clicking and their noise,

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and there was just general mourning, ambient noise. Well at

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about the time the first pine cone that got thrown

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in Eric's direction, at that time, all of that wilderness

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chatter was gone.

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There were no squirrels.

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Chattering, no immediate close proximity birds, you know, nothing.

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It was very eerily quiet.

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So after the rock or I actually don't know what

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it was, but it definitely went right across the front

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of my barrel, like very close and very fast.

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We decided, like, we do not know what's.

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Going on right now, what could be, what's happening, what

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could this be? So we make an immediate left turn.

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So now we're moving in a in the westerly directions.

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We go straight down the hill, you know, regardless of

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how steep and It wasn't aggressively steep, but it was

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definitely steep way downhill.

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We got back to the river. That would have been.

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Probably one hundred yard one hundred and fifty yard movement

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to get back to the river, and just kind.

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Of we're now looking at each other, like what just happened.

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I did not hear something that Eric reported to me

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when we got back down to the river, but he

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heard what sounded like I was now in the lead

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and Eric was behind me, and he said it sounded

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like something was behind him sort of trailing him coming

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down the hill. I didn't hear it, so I can't

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really specify that I heard anything like that. We get

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back down to the hill, we get to the river,

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and we just sort of collect ourselves.

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It is now maybe nine o'clock in the morning ish,

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pretty early.

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Actually, I'm like, I don't know what's going on. I

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think we should leave this area. So let's basically, we

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walked down the river to where we crossed the river,

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and then we headed back to camp.

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So that's what we did. You know, we didn't really

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have anything happen thereafter.

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We get back to camp, collect ourselves, have a cup

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of coffee, like what was that And he's like, I

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don't know, I have no idea. We decided to then

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go from that point. Around lunchtime, we're like, well, let's

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go on this area. So we stayed up there. We

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hunted in an entirely different area. We still walked in,

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but we.

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Avoided anything north.

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Never saw anything, never saw any more animals, definitely nothing,

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no bear, signed, no bear, So we didn't We didn't shoot.

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Our weapons or anything.

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When we got back to the campground again, there were

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absolutely no other human beings occupying the campground but Eric

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and I we were the only tent.

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We were the only people at that campground. And if.

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You look at that campground, it's not a The road

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dead ends at that campground, So it's not like someone

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could have driven up past the campground park somewhere else.

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It's it's a dead end at that campground. So we

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hunted the rest of that Friday, spent the night, didn't

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really have anything happened that night. Saturday morning, we woke

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up kind of like, yeah, no, I don't want to

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be here, and we both agreed, no, I don't want

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to be here. So we basically got up, had coffee,

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had breakfast, broke.

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Down our camp and we left.

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So the experience was Friday morning, Saturday, we decided to leave.

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Since then, I have been able to Oh. Actually, in.

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The same time frame, a friend of mine, he's a

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retired Air Force veteran, he moved to the city of

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Crouch to get out of the city, to get out

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of the big city. I live in Boise, if that matters,

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and so moved up to a property and because we

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were still in contact, I sent him an email and

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I was like, hey, guy, when you're in the bars

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or you're just out kind of socializing or you know, whatever, does.

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Anybody up there talk about And this was.

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In September when we were hunting. I was like, does

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anybody up there talk about Bigfoot? Has anybody seen anything? So,

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and you know, he's like, hey, what's up, Mike. He

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responded to me and he's like no, He's like, I

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don't know of anyone that.

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Talked about it. I was like, okay, well, this is

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what happened to me. I'm just letting you know. He's like, oh,

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well that's different.

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Fast forward so September, October, November, December, January, so technically

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the next year, but within a few months. God sends

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me an email. He's like, you're not going to believe this.

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So I've responded, well, what a friend of his who

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is a mechanic, leaves for work earlier than his wife.

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He leaves for work, he's at work, his wife is

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leaving for work, and she sends him a message, did

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you see the footprints coming up the driveway? And his

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response was no, I didn't see any footprints leaving the driveway.

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She said, you might want to come.

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Home real quick and take a look at these footprints.

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So he leaves for work before the sun comes up.

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She leaves for work after.

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The husband comes home to his wife's message, and.

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There are barefooted like footprints that come up from the

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creek bottom on their property onder their driveway, and there's

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about nine or ten footprints before or it makes a

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left and goes up not up the driveway, but up

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into the tree line area and then up the hillside.

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Where it's basically back in the forest.

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The husband claims those footprints were not there when he

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left for work, and were there one of his wife

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left for work. So in between the two of them

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leaving for work, something came.

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Up out of the creek bottom walked up their driveway

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and then went up into the wilderness. And this was

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in the town.

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Of Crouch, which is roughly eighteen miles from the campground,

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so maybe ten miles as the crow flies. He also

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sent me photographs of those footprints in the snow with

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his friend's work boot footprints, and they were a few

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inches bigger than his friend's work boot ffoot, so probably

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they didn't have a tape measure, so probably thirteen to

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fourteen inches footprints.

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I did at one point two laptops ago have those.

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Footprints in the email from guy, but have since they're

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just gone. So that was an interesting, I guess addition

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to my story that a few months later barefooted footprints

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in the slushy snow in the town of Crouch, which

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is due south from the campground. So that's kind of

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an interesting addition to my story that a few months

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later something was walking around in bare feet in the

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town of Crouch. As far as any other my personal experiences,

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a few years later I had friends, actually a gentleman

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that I was in the service with also in special operations.

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He and his wife traveled up here and they wanted

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to kind of have the Idaho mountain experience because they're

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from southern Louisiana. So Chad and his wife came up

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and I wanted to take them to the remote hot

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spring because they had never been to one. So it

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was before my then ex wife, my buddy, his wife,

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and then my dogs.

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I always take my dogs into the wilderness.

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They're two German shepherds. While on the trail, you know,

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and it's not a very used trail, but while we

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were walking to the hot springs, I came across it

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looked very much like a footprint in kind of the

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gravelly area. So I stop and I looked down, and

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then one of my dogs alerted to me, alerting to

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the ground. So he runs back to see what I'm

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looking at. And the picture that I sent you, you'll

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see in the upper left hand corner.

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You'll see like disturbed gravel.

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Well that's where my dog freaking ran down to see

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what I was looking at and wanted.

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To see what I was looking at.

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So his footprint is like right at the top where

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initially you could see a toe like imprint, then another

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toe and then another toe and then the rest of

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the print. So my personal experiences were the rock, the pine,

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cone and then whatever else directly at us, and then

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a few years later the footprint on the trail to

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the Hot Springs, and then additionally the same a few

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months later the snow barefooted snow prints from my friend

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Carlson's buddy on his property. And then additionally, I that's

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what kind of kicked off, like what happened. So then

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I went down the rabbit hole, looked up that campground

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and bigfoot, and there have been a few things going

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on up there that are easily if you were to

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type in Boiling Springs campground and Bigfoot, you can read.

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Probably exactly what I read.

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But interestingly enough, they were all in the fall around

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the same time that what happened to me and Eric happened.

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So I thought that was pretty interesting.

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Michael, this is it's a really interesting encounter. Yeah, I

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want to clarify a few things. So I'm looking on

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a map, like to get to Crouch. From Crouch to

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this Boiling Springs campground, it looks like it's it's a

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pretty good ride. And you said there's only a one

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way in pretty much.

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Yeah, once you get to the campground Boiling Springs, the

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road dead ends there just south of Boiling Springs.

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You cross a bridge.

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And then there's a few unincorporated where people will camp

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for free so they don't have to use the Forest

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Service campground.

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And then the road goes due east and then we'll start.

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Heading up into the wilderness and then it drops back

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down south. If you pan out, if you're on like

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Google Earth now and you pan out, you'll see that

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bridge and then the like dirt turnouts where people will

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camp outside of the campground.

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Gotcha. And the road to get up there, is that

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a like a forest service road or what kind of

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road is this?

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Yes? Yeah, it's dirt and gravel there. It's not. It's

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not as falt or anything. It's just a dirt and

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gravel road. Okay, it's a forest service road.

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So not easy to get there, not like a we're

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not talking a major road to get there. You know,

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dirt and gravel and no one at the campsite besides

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you guys, for yes, for the time that you were there. Wow, Okay,

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when you were up near that thicket, did you guys

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smell anything out of the ordinary.

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We did not smell anything. Again, we were approaching. Our

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movement through the woods was up, so whatever that was

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was higher in elevation than we were, and then you know, generally,

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you know, the smells are moving in a different direction,

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and it was pretty quiet wind wise, there wasn't a

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lot of It wasn't a lot of wind, but we

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definitely did not smell anything.

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It's always interesting when the sounds of the forest completely

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just cut out like that. Did that affect you in

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any way or is that something you've experienced before as

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a hunter.

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No, I have never experienced that before, and I've been hunting.

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I've I'm originally mentioned I'm originally from Pennsylvania. I hunted

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whitetail and black bear in Pennsylvania with my uncle, a

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family member, a very very well established and very active

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woodsmen in Pennsylvania. And then I went to college in

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Central Virginia and hunted whitetail in Virginia. And all of

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my hunting experiences I've never had where just everything went dead, silent.

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And that was something when Eric and I after the

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incident were down at like right at that incident, and

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we were down at the river when.

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We left, I brought that up to Eric.

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I said, did you notice that there were no other

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noises going on at that time? And he was like, yes,

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it was just eerily quiet. So one of the things

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I haven't really told this story to a ton of people,

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but one of the things that in close friends that

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I've told this to a my military buddy's like, why

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didn't you start shooting? And I was like, I don't know,

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because we were close. I had a full magazine in

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my weapon. I could have put thirty rounds in to

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that bush. And as a combat veteran for you know,

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for the military, I've been in firefights. I have run

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into buildings knowing the occupants of that building are armed

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and are going to be shooting at us as we

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go in to clear the building. So I'm no stranger

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to shooting. I'm very comfortable with shooting. But I just

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could not bring myself to shoot into the bushes and

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not knowing what it was. And then I thought to myself, Oh, crap,

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what if it gets to Eric, because he's the one

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closest to the bush, Like we are probably a forty

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five fifty minute hike back to the campground with a

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wounded individual that I have to do triage on to

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get Eric to the truck, to get Eric all the

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way to Crouch like, we are a two to three

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hour ordeal to get someone the safety if God forbid,

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there was I don't know, an attack, so I just

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was like.

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At the time, I was just like, I don't know

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what to do. So that's why I did not start

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shooting into the bushes. And then.

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Also with the people that I've told the story to,

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they're like, well, feral people, and I was like, I've

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been up there quite a bit. And since twenty fifteen

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when this happened, I've been up there hundreds of times.

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I love that hot springs. I go up there regularly.

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To go soak in those hot springs. I have never

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ever ever thought of feral people. But who throws rocks

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at people who have weapons? Like, legitimately, why would you

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throw rocks at people that are heavily armed? And what

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I'm carrying to you know, to the naked eye, what

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I am carrying.

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Looks like a machine gun. It's an ar platform honeting rifle.

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It would have to be something that didn't quite grasp

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what you had, but knew you could do something. And

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the only weapon they had was a rock, right huh.

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And then.

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What I can only guess from the position I was

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in where I was. The first rock was underhand. Hey,

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you guys are getting kind of close, a little too close,

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So here's a rock to give you guys something to

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think about.

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But we then.

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Moved a few feet closer, and then the other one. Again,

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I can't imagine that there was one we were too

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close to the thicket for if it moved positions, we

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would have seen it and we would have definitely heard it.

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So the idea that there was more than one, but

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we're getting very close to one of them, So it

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goes from underhand to very fast, get your attention.

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You guys are getting pretty close. Stop.

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That's sort of that's how I read the message of

471
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the rocks. It went from you're making us uncomfortable to

472
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.319
now you just need to leave. So we're going to

473
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:06.000
be more aggressive and we're going to throw things at

474
00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:07.880
you at a faster rate.

475
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.839
How many times have you played through in your mind

476
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.720
the potential ways that scenario could have.

477
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:23.240
Gone hundreds, hundreds and hundreds of times.

478
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:33.480
Let's say if it had gone where something rushes out

479
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:39.559
of the thicket towards you guys, would you been able

480
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:41.880
like what would you have done? Have you ever thought

481
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:45.880
about like what I've been able to even affect it

482
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:48.119
at all with what I had.

483
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:54.200
I I would have definitely I was in the position

484
00:33:54.839 --> 00:34:01.559
of shooting, so weapon in my shoulder at a combat

485
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:05.279
ready and my finger in the rail, which means my

486
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:10.800
finger is basically touching the trigger. Eric was twenty feet

487
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:13.639
from me, so as I stand in my living room,

488
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:16.039
Eric would be as if he was in my kitchen,

489
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:21.960
and I'm a good shot, I would have definitely hid it.

490
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:23.719
Would I have killed it?

491
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:30.559
I have no idea, But say it got to Eric,

492
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:34.880
I then would have had a transition from my primary weapon,

493
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:38.440
which is my hunting rifle, slid it down my body

494
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:41.360
with my sling, and then I would have had to

495
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:46.079
grab my nineteen eleven and approached it on Eric and

496
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:51.280
started engaging it in that manner. But holy moly, what

497
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:53.960
if there's more than one and something is coming down

498
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:54.360
the hill?

499
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:57.840
Now I'm in what I run in my mind.

500
00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:01.639
As a firefight, which I've been in a lot of

501
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:04.760
in my military service overseas.

502
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:05.599
So now I.

503
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:09.320
Would have had to have kept Derek safe while engage

504
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:11.000
in something further up the hill.

505
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:19.119
It's insane. It's an insane thought, it really is.

506
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.519
And I'm glad that it did not turn into that

507
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:27.559
or you know, I think these situations like that do happen,

508
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:31.000
and the reason why we don't hear about them is

509
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:34.320
because those individuals probably don't come back because there's more

510
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:40.159
than one there. That's just my hypothesis. But yeah, just

511
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:44.559
some wild wild stuff in the You said fifty two

512
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:48.519
one hundred times you've gone back to this region. Have

513
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:54.360
you ever experienced the same, You know that the sounds

514
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:57.000
of the forest just all of a sudden shutting off

515
00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:59.800
like you did that day.

516
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:03.599
Yes. Again.

517
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:09.079
I travel with my dogs. I have two male German shepherds.

518
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:13.800
They're amazing bush dogs. They run ahead, they run back,

519
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.280
They run ahead, they run back. They let me know

520
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:21.239
when shit is going on well before I know what's

521
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:26.599
going on. And probably on two occasions when going back

522
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:34.199
to the hot springs, they both alerted uphill and just

523
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:39.679
stood there and stared up uphill, letting me.

524
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:44.599
Know, hey, dad, there's something up there. I didn't really.

525
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:48.480
And on one of those occasions is when the chirping

526
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:53.400
stopped and dogs running through the wilderness, squirrels are telling

527
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:57.760
everybody there's a dog here or there's something here.

528
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:03.079
To let all the other squirrels know like there's something here.

529
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:08.840
And on one of those occasions, yes, it was dead silent.

530
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:14.960
I looked where they were looking. I never saw anything.

531
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:19.960
I never heard anything. I moved through that area. I

532
00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:23.119
gesture to my dogs, I give them the commands let's go,

533
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:25.840
and they run right path me and take off.

534
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:31.639
So yes, on two other.

535
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:37.920
Occasions, I've been in exactly that area and all of

536
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:41.360
the ambient noises and essentially what they are is the

537
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:45.039
squirrels that are chirping, and people who walk through the

538
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:48.719
wilderness or are on the hikes remote hikes know exactly

539
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:51.760
what I'm talking about. When you get close, they shut up.

540
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:59.800
So yeah, it's a really weird experience if people haven't

541
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:03.159
gone through it. When the sounds of the forest shut

542
00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:10.440
off after the main experience we were talking about with

543
00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:15.719
you and Eric did, was there anything in the days

544
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:21.039
after that happened that was unexpected, any you know, weird

545
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:25.199
physical things or weird dreams or anything that you experienced

546
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:27.320
after that or was it life back to normal?

547
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:33.239
Pretty much? Life back to normal. Eric and I talked

548
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:33.880
about it a.

549
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:41.159
Few times and more as a novelty.

550
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:43.800
Eric is an amazing guy.

551
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:47.440
Eric was in the Army, but he had more of

552
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:51.760
an administrative role in the army. He wasn't what I

553
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:55.000
call a shooter basically what I did in the military

554
00:38:55.159 --> 00:39:02.559
in special operations, and it was more novelty, like what

555
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:04.599
what do you think that was?

556
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:09.480
And he just absolutely no clue.

557
00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:14.559
He did not go down the rabbit hole quite as

558
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:15.519
far as I did.

559
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:20.840
And suddenly being like, what could that have been? And

560
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:22.320
since then, I've.

561
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:26.880
Probably read fifteen books about it. I've read quite a

562
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:33.199
few of the David Politis series four one one, I've

563
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:40.159
read some of the When the Science Meets Something book.

564
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:44.840
I think doctor Jeff Meldrum from the University of Idaho

565
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:49.960
or Idaho State, whom I've met on one or two

566
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:54.079
occasions here in Idaho when they've put on just like

567
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:59.960
little bigfoot forums or a Bigfoot I don't think festivals.

568
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.920
What maybe a forum like a bigfoot for him. And

569
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:05.519
he's in Idaho and he's from Idaho, so he'll he'll

570
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:07.800
pop into those things, and you know, he found my

571
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:12.840
story very intriguing and unlike you know, he had a

572
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:18.800
few occasions on his own personal research that he's had

573
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:21.199
things thrown at him, so he kind of related.

574
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:23.239
But that's kind of as far as that went.

575
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:31.079
You know, I was going to actually ask you, but

576
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:33.960
you you just kind of brought it up. Is this

577
00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:39.519
area also known for incidents of missing fore and on

578
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:40.440
or missing people?

579
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:47.920
No, And after I got back and sort of started

580
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:55.440
looking into the area Boiling Springs Campground, the occurrences that

581
00:40:55.599 --> 00:41:02.519
I read about up there on you know, the BRFO website,

582
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:08.880
I think also the big the new Big Bigfoot mapping

583
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:15.800
website that were drawn to happen at the same time

584
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:20.159
in the fall. One happened in the campground. It was

585
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:25.679
an elderly couple. One of the campgrounds. And you know,

586
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:27.679
when you go up there, it makes sense, but one

587
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:30.519
of the campgrounds, when you pull into the campground, your

588
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:34.639
camping location, and then where the bathroom is, there's a

589
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:40.880
there's a little tree line. This elderly couple saw something

590
00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:44.079
tree peaking is the only way I can describe it,

591
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:48.440
between their campground and the bathroom, which prompted them to

592
00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:53.039
leave immediately. Like they essentially got up, pulled their camper in,

593
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:59.480
were setting up. It was twilight, and the woman that

594
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:02.360
was camping up there saw something poking its head out

595
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:05.719
from behind the trees between them and the bathroom, and

596
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:07.000
she's like, oh, yeah, no, we're.

597
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:08.760
Good, We're out of here.

598
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:15.159
And then another couple on their four by fours were

599
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:20.400
riding around the service roads up there, and the husband

600
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:24.440
was in the lead, the wife was in behind, and

601
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:28.519
she was far enough back that his trail dust didn't

602
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:30.719
bother her, so she was a little bit further back

603
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:34.719
than her husband, and something split them. It ran in

604
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:36.679
between the two of them and ran.

605
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:37.039
Up the hill.

606
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:39.039
She saw it as it crossed the road and went

607
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:42.280
up the hill, and as she crested the corner she

608
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:44.599
saw her husband, who was waiting.

609
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:47.079
For her, making sure that she was right behind her.

610
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:51.119
He saw it in the woods running up the hill

611
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:53.920
and they both kind of like Eric and I. They

612
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:55.400
were like, did you just see that? And She's like,

613
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:58.400
did you just see that? But that was in the

614
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:00.599
same area.

615
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:06.599
That is extremely interesting for people that are new to

616
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:11.679
the subject. The two websites that Michael's referring to you

617
00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:15.800
can go to as well, bfroo dot net and bigfootmap

618
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:19.920
dot com, And I recommend you check out both of

619
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:25.719
those for resources. They're good. Would you ever want to

620
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:29.119
have a visual sighting of whatever is up there in

621
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:31.400
this area?

622
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:38.360
I don't know. I still go back there. I'm planning on.

623
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:40.719
I mean, I'll be back there this as soon as

624
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:43.119
you can get back there it's still pretty snow filled.

625
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:45.920
As soon as you can get back there, I will

626
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:46.880
be back there again.

627
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:47.559
It's one of my.

628
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:52.079
Favorite places for hiking. The river is amazing for fly fishing,

629
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:55.960
So I will be back there, and I've thought about it.

630
00:43:58.199 --> 00:43:58.920
I don't think I.

631
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:05.159
Would be afraid of a visual sighting. I do carry

632
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:07.239
a side arm when i'm back there, and when I'm

633
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:10.039
back there long enough, because I'll go back there and

634
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:15.280
practice field craft where I'll stay at the remote hot

635
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.519
springs on a hammock and make a little fire and

636
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:22.800
basically stay there and enjoy the wilderness. I'm generally armed

637
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:27.559
a little bit more than just a side arm, so

638
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:31.039
I'm not worried about it in that respect. I'm more

639
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:35.639
worried about it the people that I have heard from

640
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:42.480
podcasts and reading research, a visual sighting is an entirely

641
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:48.679
different scenario, Like the visual confirmation of something that is

642
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:53.599
not supposed to exist really haunts people like they can't

643
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:58.079
get it out of their minds. So I don't know

644
00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:01.840
if a visual I mean I'm not out seeking it.

645
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:05.559
If I do have one, Like, I'm kind of mentally

646
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:11.000
prepared for it as far as I know, but I

647
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:15.119
hear seeing one definitely changes your.

648
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:20.079
Perspective, I would agree, And it's not that I've had

649
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:23.239
that happen myself. I haven't yet, but it is definitely

650
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:27.119
the I would say it is the point of no return.

651
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:30.760
There might be some people that would argue with me

652
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:33.000
on that, but I mean, once you have that, I

653
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:36.760
mean there's definitely no going back. I mean I feel

654
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:41.000
like I'm already there after hearing some vocalizations. But yeah,

655
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:44.480
the vocalization, as you or the visualization as you said,

656
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:49.559
really does change things for witnesses when they talk about that.

657
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:52.440
But so.

658
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:57.079
Talking about the main experience that you had, is this

659
00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:59.719
the first time in your life that you've had something

660
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:05.119
that was just out of the ordinary, just weird happened

661
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:08.559
like this, or has that kind of followed you along

662
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:11.880
your life in different ways?

663
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:14.880
No, that was no.

664
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:20.840
That was the first and only very specific interaction. I mean,

665
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:23.280
there's really no other way of putting it. That was

666
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:31.719
literally an interaction, and I've had no additional interactions specifically. Again,

667
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:34.400
the time when I was up there and my dogs

668
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:40.920
alerted to something uphill again, and the ambient noise of

669
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:47.400
all of the squirrels basically completely when silent. That interaction

670
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:51.119
wasn't very specific, and it was only a few moments.

671
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:52.440
By the time I.

672
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.679
Got up to where the dogs were alerted, I looked up.

673
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:59.400
I didn't see anything, because it could have very well

674
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:01.800
been a black wa because there are black bear up there.

675
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:04.239
I didn't see anything.

676
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:08.519
They did not pursue it, and my dogs have chased coyotes,

677
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:12.840
you know, they're they're not afraid of coyotes, So if

678
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:17.000
it was a predatory animal, they did not pursue it.

679
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:21.719
And by the time I got to them.

680
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:24.000
I looked up hill, took a second or two. Don't

681
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:25.800
see anything. All right, guys, let's go.

682
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:26.960
Gave them the alert.

683
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:29.800
They took off up the trail, and then we just

684
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:33.119
continued on. Got to the hot springs. I soaked, no

685
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:38.159
big deal, hung out, hiked out. Nothing happened at the

686
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:41.519
same location. We walked right through as if it was normal.

687
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:48.719
It's interesting because you mentioned that you have been looking

688
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:53.599
into the area since your interaction. Have you talked to

689
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:57.800
any I don't know if if you guys have like

690
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:01.360
if they're forestry workers or DNA are what the equivalent

691
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:04.519
of this area. Have you talked to any individuals like

692
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:07.800
this about potential things going on Bigfoot related?

693
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:11.519
Yeah, I contacted.

694
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:16.920
I believe the Forest Service ranger station is the Loneman station,

695
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:22.079
that would be the closest one, and I contacted. I

696
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:26.400
went in like not right then when we left, we left,

697
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:27.800
we went home.

698
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:31.440
But I did go in there before and I.

699
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:35.760
Was like hey, and it was probably a seasonal park ranger,

700
00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:40.079
nice kid, probably in his early twenties. I was like, hey,

701
00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:45.679
do you guys ever get any strange reports of things here?

702
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:51.320
And he's like, no, not really. I didn't expect anything less.

703
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.599
I did not speak with the l EO Park ranger,

704
00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:57.400
the law enforcement park ranger.

705
00:48:57.079 --> 00:49:01.039
Because they're very rare. I didn't see them.

706
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:04.440
I didn't think to get a hold of Idaho fishing game.

707
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:08.039
But the one time I went into the ranger station.

708
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:11.639
Yeah, they were just like no, not really. So I

709
00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:12.320
left it at that.

710
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:22.920
It's extremely interesting and just a double check. Is Eric

711
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:27.000
going down the same trail that you are where you're

712
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:30.159
becoming very interested in the subject, or is he kind

713
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:31.719
of like whatever about it?

714
00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:37.800
No, he's I failed to mention this earlier. And this

715
00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:44.480
may not mean anything, but Eric is a very religious person.

716
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:47.760
He's a practicing.

717
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:55.000
In the community Mormon, and I don't think that I

718
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:58.920
think for him it was an unusual something. But I

719
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:03.440
don't think he he ever looked into it scientifically because

720
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:08.079
I don't think he believed anything past what his own

721
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:09.159
personal beliefs are.

722
00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:15.000
And that's you know. And and he's a he's a nurse,

723
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:15.480
he's a.

724
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:19.519
We both worked for the VA here in Boise, and

725
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.079
now neither of us work for the VA. He moved

726
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:24.719
on the private practice, and I fully retired because my

727
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:26.320
military retirement came through.

728
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:32.079
But he was just sort of nifty about it. You know.

729
00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:35.199
He had brought up the ferral people thing because he

730
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:39.639
couldn't he couldn't think of something with an opposable thumb

731
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:40.920
that could throw.

732
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:46.400
Throw something. So he was leaning towards the ferral people thing.

733
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:51.079
Because again, there were no vehicles in the campground when

734
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:51.639
we were there.

735
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:55.559
The entire time we were at that campground.

736
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:59.239
There were no vehicles there, which leads me to believe,

737
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:01.320
how would a person.

738
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:05.599
Get there, Like, let's speculate.

739
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:08.239
That this was another human being, how would they have

740
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:11.559
gotten there by quad by four by four.

741
00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:14.159
But that's only going to get you to the road.

742
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:18.599
You would then have to hike the distance we hiked

743
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:26.079
remotely to be at that place at that time. And

744
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:30.960
I've hunted in Pennsylvania. The areas that I hunted were

745
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:34.880
state game lands, and they get pretty they get pretty crowded,

746
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:37.639
And that sounds weird to say, but I have had

747
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:42.000
a hunter come through my hunting area where I was

748
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:45.159
in a blind and you just courtesy, Hey man, I'm

749
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:45.519
in here.

750
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:48.719
Oh shoot, sorry, I didn't know anybody was back here.

751
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.599
And then they walk off. They don't stand there and

752
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:53.039
throw at you.

753
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:58.840
So if it was another hunter, why wouldn't they have indicated,

754
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:02.239
hey man, this is our are oh sorry, turn around

755
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:02.760
and leave.

756
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:08.000
Nothing. There was no None of that happened.

757
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:15.480
And again there were no vehicles at that campground. So

758
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:23.119
Eric was leaning more towards ferral humans. And it's I

759
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:27.400
guess it's possible, but I've been up there quite a

760
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:32.079
few times. I have never never any indication of any

761
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:34.960
kind that there would be people.

762
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:43.119
Up there, right, it would be quite yeah, yeah, I

763
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:47.880
mean either viewpoint could be right, But logically, you know,

764
00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:52.159
it's just I'm probably gonna go more with with your

765
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:56.400
viewpoint on it. But it's just such an interesting I mean,

766
00:52:56.440 --> 00:52:59.400
it's a new area for me. I'd be interesting to

767
00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:03.280
see what comes out of this episode being aired if

768
00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:08.280
there's you know, usually more people come forward about the

769
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:11.519
same area, so we'll see what comes.

770
00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:11.760
Out of this.

771
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:17.840
But but but Michael, it has just been really fun

772
00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:19.920
chat with you, and thank you for taking us back

773
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:24.199
to the time when this happened for you. I want

774
00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:26.760
to make sure that you were able to share everything

775
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:30.440
that we're in your notes today.

776
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:37.440
Yeah. Yeah, it's a it's a very interesting and very

777
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:38.679
unique story.

778
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:42.119
To me again and me going down the rabbit hole

779
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:46.880
of nonferral people that there are what this is one

780
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:49.880
of the things that they do, you know, they they

781
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:52.400
let you know you're getting too close, and they do

782
00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:56.079
it with pine cones, smaller rocks.

783
00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:57.559
To bigger rocks.

784
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:01.039
I would be I would love to stay in content, Jeremiah,

785
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:03.800
and the fact that if you start getting reports from

786
00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:07.199
that area that I'd love to hear about them because

787
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:08.360
I will be going.

788
00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:12.519
Back there and this season I think.

789
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:16.360
I'm going to go back there a little more electronically,

790
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:23.239
So I'm going to start putting some trail cameras just

791
00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:26.719
up off of the river and just see what I

792
00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:29.840
can find. Because I'm also I'm still an avid hunter,

793
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:34.000
so if I get activity up there, game wise, I

794
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:36.639
will be up there during hunting season, which would which

795
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:41.960
would put me up there in the fall. But it'd

796
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:45.599
be interesting to hear if anyone else in the area

797
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:47.519
who has been up there.

798
00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:48.960
Has an experience.

799
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:53.000
Absolutely, we'll definitely keep in touch and you know how

800
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:56.320
to reach out as well. But Michael, thank you for

801
00:54:56.400 --> 00:55:00.039
coming on the show today. I'd really appreciate it.

802
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:03.119
Yeah, I appreciate it. It's a pleasure meeting you. I

803
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:06.920
look forward to, you know, maybe hearing from you again,

804
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:08.360
or are you hearing from me again?

805
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:13.880
Swan to take a minute to say thank you truly

806
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:16.639
for listening to this episode of the Big for Society podcast.

807
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:19.800
Michael's story is a wild ride through Idaho's forest and

808
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:22.800
a mystery that leaves more questions and answers. It's huge

809
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:25.280
thanks to Michael for sharing his incredible experience with us

810
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:27.760
and reminding us that sometimes what we think we know

811
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:31.960
isn't all there is to the story. You enjoy this conversation,

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