Aug. 5, 2024

I'm just the Deliveryman.

In this gripping episode, seasoned truck driver Arturo from South Oregon reveals his astonishing, life-altering experiences. From a bizarre 2010 sighting of a massive creature possibly linked to Sasquatch legends, giants, and ancient cavemen, to a...

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Season 1

In this gripping episode, seasoned truck driver Arturo from South Oregon reveals his astonishing, life-altering experiences. From a bizarre 2010 sighting of a massive creature possibly linked to Sasquatch legends, giants, and ancient cavemen, to a chilling tale involving a secluded gold mining area, Arturo weaves a story filled with intrigue, mystery, and supernatural speculation. Unraveling accounts of a fatal gold strike, human greed, guilt, and eerie local practices along the Oregon-California border, this episode delves deep into unsolved mysteries and folklore that continue to haunt the region.

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All right, big for society. I've got the privilege of

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talking to gentlemen tonight. His name is Arturo, He's from

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the South Oregon area. It's a truck driver. He's got

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some really interesting things he's experienced over the years, and

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we've been kind of going back and forth for a bit,

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but his info came out of nowhere, and I'm glad

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I'm actually able to talk to him on air now.

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And Arturo, how are you doing tonight, sir? Oh, pretty good,

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fantastic and the road is treating you well out there.

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Yeah, it's not the time of the year to really

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build the snow and ice and all that, so summertime

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is a high mileage, good base. So I really enjoyed

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the spring and the summer, falling winter and when he

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got to be a little more cautious with other drivers

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and road conditions. But right now it's a great time

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of year to be driving truck.

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Absolutely, just you and the open road sounds great. Well, Arturo,

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You've got some really interesting things to shar We talked

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a little bit earlier today, and the stuff that you

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told me then, I was like, Wow, this is going

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to be a very unique one. I'm excited to get

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into it. So Artura, I'm gonna let you go ahead

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and take us where we need to go with what

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you've experienced.

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Okay, Well, it's going to be a two part thing.

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The first part will be my personal experiences and what

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happened to me back in twenty ten, and the second

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part will be account of the story of I know

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what happened in southern Oregon, but I guess we'll start

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with twenty ten. My personal experience. I've always been a

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kind of heavier set guy. I was like about two

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hundred and fifty pounds since high school, and a couple

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of years before my incident, I'd been a really bad

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car wreck and I ended up being in intensive care

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for a long time and bedridden for a couple months,

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and like, you know, whole year of therapy just be

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able to walk good again and all that. And during

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that period, I'd put on about another one hundred pounds,

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so I was really large, up like three hundred and

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fifty pounds, and my health became a big concern for me.

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And I'd always been kind of into like bushcraft and survivalism,

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and you know, since I was a kid watching terminator

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and you know things like that, and like, you know

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a lot of things like that. And then but I

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really into the wilderness and outdoors. So I decided, for

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the better my health, I was going to start doing

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some you know, short hikes and maybe getting out and

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practicing a little bushcraft. So I started to do that

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in southern California and this area between Orange County and

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Riverside County, there was a road that kind of divided

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to two counties on this mountaintop, but on the below

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that in the valley, there was a couple of creeks

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with small waterfalls and things like that. There was a

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basically a blm road that went up into the area.

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So I started going there as far as I could drive,

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and then i'd park my truck and I was doing

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these short hikes about three quarters of a mile in

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and I'd hang out the creek and you know, mess

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around the bushcraft and practicing doing like bow drill and

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hand drill, starting fires and different things like that, do

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some wood carving. And I was doing that for a while,

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and then eventually there was too many accidents on that

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mountain of people, mostly like high school kids partying up

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in the hills and driving off the edge of the

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sides of the mountains and lay it to a couple

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of fatalities. So they'd closed the road down where I

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used to drive in to get to that area. So

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then it became a thing of you know, limitation on

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the if I was going to hike in there, it

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became about about five and a half to maybe six

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and a half mile hike to get to that area

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where I was hanging out. So I decided to start,

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you know, hiking in and in a hammock so I

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could just stay overnight or hike in, hang out for

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the day, you know, have a little fun stay of

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the night, and then hike out the next day, so

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I wouldn't have to, you know, try to do a

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ten twelve mile hike in one day. So I started

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doing that for a while, started building a pretty decent

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kind of permanent structure. But there was a small series

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of mines and caves and stuff over there where they

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used to look for I think they're looking for copper

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and silver and different minerals and stuff, but they basically

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all ran dry and had got closed down. So the

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Forager service had one in and put concrete and rebar

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up on all the interests to close them off. But

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I found one of those was a fairly good sized opening,

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and I noticed that there was constantly a draft that

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pulled into the cave. So I was like, you know,

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it's going to be an awesome location to build a

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little permanent structure. So that's what I did, and had

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a little fire pit to the back I built, and

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really nice. I could have a small fire in there,

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and the smoke always drafted into the tunnel and come

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up out the hill somewhere. Uh. So I fortified the

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entrance real good. It was built it real nice and

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behind a big brushline. It was really hard to find

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the spot, and I always try to take different routes

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going to my little you know, hideaway. But at the

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time of doing that, I had this little Chihuaha mixed

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dog that I had gotten was a rescue my former employer.

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His wife was real big on resking every animal. You know,

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she'd find strays, bring him back and all this. But

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this little dog end up being a crazy dog and

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a little tiny Chiuala just scared everybody. And they told

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me if I could take him for a couple of days,

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they could, you know, find an owner. Somebody'd be willing

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to take him and the dog end it just like

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just falled me around everywhere and bade me and everything.

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So I decided to keep that dog and solve the

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whole problem. And then uh, I had having somebody to

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do my little hikes with me and stuff. But the

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dog really didn't like anybody or listening to anybody. Anybody

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got within ten fifteen feet of me or anybody at

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my house, he'd start growling and barking and you know,

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just paul shuahwah yapp and thing. But I started to

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notice when we were hiking in when we got to

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a certain point where there was this ridge, my dog

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would always get distracted and he'd put his ears up,

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like if i'd call, whistle for the dog, whatever, just

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get over here, you know, he put his ears up.

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He'd look around and he'd run right at me. And

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he never did that for anybody else like ever, not

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even the people who live with me. He just wouldn't

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respond to anybody. But I started noticing we get to

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this point, he'd put his ears up like if I

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was calling him, and he'd just go running off in

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the bush, go trying to get up to that ridge

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up there, and I started bothering me, like, what is

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this dog hearing that's like attracting him so much that

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he's just completely disobeying my commands, you know, running off.

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So you know, I started, you know, kind of watched

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him more, and it got to the point where he

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was just like he'd take off and he'd be gone

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for like an hour. I just continue hiking towards my

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little bushcraft shelter I built, and I just got really

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annoised this. I started putting him on a leash when

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we go past the section, and I started to realize that,

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like every time we go to that section, besides the

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dog acting you know, completely out of the ordinary, just

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completely you know, different from his normal day to day,

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I started noticing I always had the sensation of, you know,

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being watched, you know, And then I started thinking, oh, well,

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maybe somebody else has a camp there. Maybe it's you know,

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there there was some transient and homeless people in the

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area that used to camp out there, but they're more

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down the valley towards all where the massive amount of citrus,

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orange groves and grapefruit were and things like that, so

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I wasn't really thinking it was that and then I thought,

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you know, it's just a weird feeling. And one day particular,

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we were walking in the ridges above me to my

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left side, and it was probably about sixty seventy yards

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up the side of this hill was a real steep cliff.

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As I was walking, it was real quiet day, like

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hardly no wind, nothing, and everything got real quiet, and

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I started actually hearing like leaves rustling and things like that.

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And then at one point I saw a couple of

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little small rocks like rolled down the hill. So it

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caused me to look up to my left, and I

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realized that my dog was already staring up at that

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direction the whole time we were walking. So I started

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really paying attention to that ridge to the left of me.

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So I'm just like walking ahead and just kind of

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focusing to my left the whole time, and I'm really

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getting that eerie feeling of just being watched. So I

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just come to a complete stop. I started glancing the ridge,

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and then that's that's when I saw them, right. And

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you know, I've heard a lot of things about you know,

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Bigfoot being this big giant, you know, gorilla ape and

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type things like that. What I saw was nothing looking

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like a bigfoot, you know. Uh. And the way, the

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best way I can explain it is like I grew

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up in the early eighties watching wrestling and I'll call

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again and all that, and I kind of pictured it.

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Uh It'd be like Andrea the Giant that they had

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from wrestling back in the day. But it looked like

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Andre the Giant with like totally straight hair, not curly hair.

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The hair was had like a light red tint to it,

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but with a lot of gray hair, like an old man.

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But it looked like a caveman, you know, like not

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with like you see with like the loincloth, you know,

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patch of animer for over him carrying a club. It

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just looked kind of like a Neanderthal, but just like

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really huge, like Andrea the Giant. So I stopped. I'm

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like staring at it, and I'm like, so the fuddo,

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I'm so confused on what I'm seeing. I just start

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to slowly just keep walking forward, and I'm staring up

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at the hill and what I'm seeing starts to walk

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forward too, and it's and it's staring right back at me,

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and my dog is full eye contact. I'm walking almost

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like twenty thirty yards staring up the hill as the

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thing I'm watching goes to where there's like a clearing

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of trees and it's not such a wide open part

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of the ridge. The thing I'm watching is watching me

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so intently, just like I'm watching him. The thing I'm

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watching walks right into a tree branch that was right

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at its head level. They just smacked it in the

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head and so I was like, what I saw the

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whole tree shape real bad. And the thing let out

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this roar, like a yelp, like a like I try

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to explain my one, buddy. It's like, you know, like

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you're walking down the hallway, you know, the middle of

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the night, you get up to take a leak, and

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you're walking down the hallway and you just stub your toe,

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you know, just like unexpected pain out of nowhere, and

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you're like, oh, you know, you know, he's let out

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a sound, you know, And it was kind of like that,

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and then it looks stunned. And then and it looked

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away from me, looked at the tree branch. It put

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its left arm up to where his left arm was

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like level with its eyesight, almost grabbed the branch and

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it just bent it all the way back, snapped it

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off and kind of squirted it away a little quicker,

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and it just disappeared and then no more sound, no

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more nothing. And I was so confused. I was I

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kept trying to just play back in my mind of

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what I just saw, and I really started thinking about it,

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and like the way the body was, I just kept thinking, like,

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you know, like this is like a really old, like

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really obese man. You know, like I'm a big guy

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walking out there. I'm struggling to make this hike all

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the time, you know, and I'm seeing this other creature

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that looks way very very old and very very heavy

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set too, but with a lot of muscle. And what

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I remember when I was looking at it, I used

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to work at a animal shelter probably three or four

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years prior to that, and we had a dog that

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came in that we had to quarantine and kind of

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putting its own separate kennel out in the field in

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a different area and all that. And I'm like, well,

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why's that dog out there? And they say, well, that

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dog has made it's it's real highly contagious. You know.

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The other animals can get it real quick. We gotta

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keep them separate. You know, if we go in there

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to feed them, we have to bleach the things down.

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I have to wear rubber boots and gloves and everything's

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got to get bleached to sanitize. But I remember about

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the dog having kind of like big patches of fur

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missing that looked all like scratched up and kind of scabby.

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And that was the same thing that I saw on

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you know, what I referred to was under the giant

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and I had I just remember having big patches of

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where it had been like scratching at itself to where

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like the fur was gone, and it was just like raw,

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kind of scabby, you know, nastiness underneath it, and it

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just looked like in such poor health. Like it was like,

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you know, I'm out there struggling, and you know, and

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I see this other thing and I and then I

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was thinking, is this thing always following me? Because you know,

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he's feeling sorry for me trying to getting up this ridge,

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up this hill all the time. You know, they're like

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a sympathetic thing, you know, like when I walk through,

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he walks through just to you know, see if I

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can make it, or is he you know somehow kind

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of like sublimly like encouraged me to keep going every

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time that I'm you know, struggling trying to get through,

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and basically, you know, he went over the ridge. I

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lost sight of him, and then, uh, I spended like

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the next three or four hours almost like trying to

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figure out how to get up to that spot where

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i'd saw the thing, you know, and it was very difficult.

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It was a high steat ridge, so I had a

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micing it, hiking ahead about a quarter mile trying to

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find a way up. Couldn't find nothing where I could

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because it was so vertical steep, I couldn't get up there.

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So then I had hiking back about a quarter mile backwards,

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and I found a little small kind of game trail,

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but was still pretty steep. But I was able to

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get up the hillside by just like pulling on the

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roots of different trees and little shrubs, and I got

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myself up there. And I got to the spot where

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he had smacked his head on that branch and just

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reached up and just broke that whole branch. And the

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first thing I noticed that that branch was like four

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or five inches stick, you know, it was a very

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bottom branch of the tree of a big, big tree.

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So it was a nice thick branch, and I was thinking,

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how did it snap that? And then I went closer,

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got up there, and I was trying to grab it

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to see, you know, just i'll stiff or whatever the

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branch was. That's when I realized that the branch was

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so high up. You know, I'm only five ten, and

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I put my arm up as high as I could

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put it up so that I don't know if that's

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another foot and a half up or so, and I

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couldn't even touch the branch. I had to pull out

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my little hiking stick, the telescoping one I had, and

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with it just like one slot like halfway out, so

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I had had about another foot and a half or

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so to you know, the height of my arm. I

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was able to smack that branch. And it was a

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live green tree. Where the break was, it looked really fibrous.

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You can see like the fibers in the tree like

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splintering open, and even had like a slight bit of

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sap kind of oozing out by then. But it was

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a totally fresh tree.

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Big, so a society would be right back after these messages, And.

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Then I started thinking about like when I'm doing bushcraft,

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and sometimes I don't feel like really soalling through material

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to build for you know, certain structures, or for just

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firewood or kindling whatever. A lot of times I'll find

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a tree or two trees next to each other or

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kind of wedge into v shape, and I'll take a

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dead standing wood that I find, it's maybe two three

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inches in diameter, and I'll wedge it down between the

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tree and then I use my upper body to press

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against it and then kind of use a pendulum. You'll

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use a little leverage or just snap the tree. But

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that only works on dead trees. You know, if it's

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something live, green tree, you're gonna be pulling at it's

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just gonnaband and bend and not snap. If anything is

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gonna you know, shove me back on the ground. So

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then I was just so confused about that. I didn't

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know what to do. I just looked everything start stared

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there for a while. Realized it was already getting pretty

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dark at that point, because it took me forever to

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get up there, and I'm like, well, either I had

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to keep going forward to get to my shelter or

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head back to the truck, and I just didn't really

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didn't feel like staying there with only having a Ruger

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ten twenty two rifle on me, and that's I used

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to carry a survival knife, a bushcraft knife, and a

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Ruger ten twenty two, but that was mostly used for

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just planking and squirrel hunting and rabbit hunting. I just

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had like a big fear of me whatever this thing

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was able to, you know, just completely snap that branch

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that by twenty two was going to do nothing. So

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I decided to leave and I hiked back out, and

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that's basically the the first half of my encounter with Andre.

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Just really interesting. This is a very unique to count

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you would say, I haven't gotten many like these. I'm

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just gonna refer to as Andre. Was Andre wearing any

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clothes then, or was it like pretty much nothing? Okay?

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Nothing?

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You mentioned at one point there was fur this individual.

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Was it covered with fur or was hair or what

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did you notice in that?

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It looked like kind of like my old high school

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gym teacher, Like he take his shirt off and he

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just had his hair his whole body. But the thing,

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it was crazy. I've never seen somebody with that much

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hair over their chests and their arms and their neck

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and all that without you know, it's always like curly hair.

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All this hair was straight. It was a lot of

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hair over the whole body, except for like over the

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pecks of the chest, like where the nipple would be.

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It was kind of bald right there, and then on

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the center like where the belly would be kind of

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kind of balding right there. But all the hair was straight.

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There was no curly hair. It was all real straight,

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really fine hair.

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Gotcha, is there a color that kind of stood out

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about andre?

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Well? If anything? I would say it was kind of

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like a reddish brown, but kind of like like if

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you have like a chocolate lab or something. But it

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was like that, but like if it was really aged,

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like very old, like if a lot of that hair

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had already turned like gray and white. You know, like

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if it was younger, it would have been like looking

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like a chocolate lab. But it just looked so old,

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like a lot of the hair had turned gray. It

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was really faded. You know.

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How tall would you say it was.

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For the heigh of the head where that branch was,

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I'm just estimating probably about eight and a half foot

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up to where that branch was where it smacked its

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head on.

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Definitely. Did you notice anything about the arms, the arm lengths,

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anything like that.

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Well, when he put his like forearm up to put

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his hand on the branch to like push the branch

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out of the way that it smacked its head on,

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the arms still had like really huge muscles in the arms.

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It was like, you know, it was you know, like

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Schwarzenegger back in the day, but just like a lot

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of hair. It looked extremely muscular. But at the same

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time it looked like if it was like overweight. You know.

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Now I'm a big guy, you know, so I was

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just like kind of judging off myself of you know,

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how my body structure looks, you know, at that time,

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being about three point fifty and prior I did do

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a little bit of wrestling and MMA fighting. I did

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use the train, but I never got extremely yoked. You know.

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I was never a bodybuilder, but I know it's like

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to have some muscle mass with fat over it, and

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just kind of looking from what I saw compared to

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the height to the like the build of my body

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and all that. You know, I was honestly nothing had

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weigh you know, seven hundred pounds or something or eight

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hundred pounds at least, you know, but I did. I

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did see a lot of good amount of muscle, you know.

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Okay, Yeah, were there any points where it was walking

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and you saw the arms, they were kind of like

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down by its side at all.

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Almost the whole way that it was walking, the arms were,

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you know, hanging down towards the waist. It never put

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its arms up until it hit the tree branch. The

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whole time I was walking, I was just kind of

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like walking with his arms down on his side, but

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they were kind of slightly swaying maybe back and forth

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about a foot foot and a half or so. But

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it wasn't like swinging its arms as it was walking.

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It was just kind of just slaying the side to

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side as it was facing me.

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And if you had to imagine, like let's imagine the

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hands are you know, the arms are by the side

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it's walking. How far down would the tips of the

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finger on the hands go. Are they going above the

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knee or are they going way down the.

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Leg past that probably like choos the knee.

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Okay, interesting, hands were massive. Were the hands covered with

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with fur or hair or could you see like the

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actual fingers and the I could.

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I could see I could see fingers of the hands,

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you know, and then I couldn't really see fingernails though.

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But do you remember when it put its forearm in

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front of it to grab that tree, it looked like

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its fingers almost touched each other on the other side

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of the tree branch when it was going to break it,

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because the side I was looking at, I was on

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the side that the I was between him and the

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tree branch, you know. So he put put his arm up,

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his fingers went around the branch, and on the other

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side it looked like his fingers almost touched. And when

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I went up there, that tree branch was, you know,

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four or five inches stick, you know, maybe six inches

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I thought I was six, but probably four or five

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inches stick. And as I'm sitting there, I'm holding the

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handle of the little walking stick that I got, and

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it's kind of like a bicycle grip size, you know,

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And I'm holding onto that in my hand, and I'm

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looking at it like me and my fingers wrapped around

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my thumb touch my you know, index finger, and my

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thumbs barely touching there, holding on that bike grip thing,

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and I'm looking at that thing, and I was thinking

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how big is a hand have to be to go

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around that big old piece of tree and touch the fingers?

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You know? Oh?

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Absolutely? Did you notice? I don't know if you got

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the chance to count, but how many fingers it had

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on each hand?

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Oh? I looked. It just looked like a normal human hand,

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kind of like it did look like it had its

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thumb and five, you know, four fingers. You know, I

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didn't see any looked like extra or less that I

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could tell. It just look like kind of like.

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A human hand, got it. You mentioned there was a

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time when you were actually having prolonged eye contact as

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you both were walking. Did you so, I would imagine

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that you're able to you were able to look into

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the eyes. Do you remember were there any whites to

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the eyes at all? Or was it maybe all dark?

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No, it was like really yellow. Kind of remind me

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of We had a a neighbor for a while that

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was a really bad alcoholic and you had all kinds

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of kidney failure and he was constantly like going in

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for a dialysis and you know, filter in his blood

459
00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:12.880
off machines and all that. But uh, I don't know

460
00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:15.079
what they it was, what it was called, but he

461
00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:18.759
had something that when your kidneys go bad stops filtering,

462
00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:21.640
but uh, your eyes go all yellow and kind of

463
00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:25.079
red like bloodshot looking right or was it not jaundice

464
00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:28.960
or I can't remember what it was called, but it

465
00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:31.519
looked like my neighbor that was like the bad alcoholic

466
00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:35.039
just really yellow eyes, and the pupils were just like

467
00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:39.359
solid like dark brown or black, just really yellow and

468
00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:44.920
just looking like sick, like you know, I didn't see

469
00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:46.000
no bright white at all.

470
00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:53.440
Okay, were but it definitely had a pupil, yes, okay.

471
00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:55.880
Did the head have a shape to it at all?

472
00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:01.160
It looked just like Under the Giant from wrestling from

473
00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:03.559
back in the eighties as far as like the way

474
00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:06.640
his forehead came down and like his eyebrow line how

475
00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:08.799
it kind of came out, and like the kind of

476
00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:12.720
wier nose on his face and everything like really similar

477
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:14.559
to like Andrea the Giant.

478
00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:19.000
So definitely from what I'm hearing, I'm hearing not like

479
00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:22.880
a conical shape head, just like a big old head.

480
00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:24.880
Yes.

481
00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:28.960
Interesting, What kind of neck did this guy have?

482
00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:34.799
It was really short. It was like almost like the

483
00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:38.119
head was just like right on the collarbone, like there

484
00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:40.319
wasn't I didn't really see too much of a neck

485
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:41.440
at all.

486
00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:49.079
Did you notice any details about the forehead or the

487
00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:52.519
the area above the eyes when you were looking at.

488
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:57.440
It, Just how the forehead kind of came down, and

489
00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:01.200
then where the eyebrows were be it looked like, you know,

490
00:27:01.279 --> 00:27:03.880
like the bones like around the eye socket were like

491
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:08.920
kind of like overemphasized, like you know, they were really large,

492
00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:12.079
like behind where your eyebrows would be, like if almost

493
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:14.559
there was like a finger like under the skin. You know,

494
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:18.920
they were like, you know, not like a roll of pennies,

495
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:21.960
but it was like, you know, just something way larger

496
00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:25.240
under the eyebrows that made that part of the lower

497
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:27.079
part of the forehead stick out so far.

498
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:32.039
It sounds like definitely a pronounced brow ridge, kind of

499
00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:34.960
like when you see those old movies with Neanderthals and

500
00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:40.279
you just got that really large bone structure right above

501
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:43.119
the eyes where just kind of a roll of pennies

502
00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:46.039
is a good way to say it. Did you notice

503
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:48.519
anything out of the ordinary about the nose.

504
00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:54.839
Just that it was wide, That was about it. And

505
00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:57.000
there was no hair on the nose at all. I

506
00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:59.599
didn't see any hair on there or no pair coming

507
00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:02.480
out from the nose either, and there was like no

508
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:07.880
like mustache. Really all the hair was from like the

509
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:11.079
lower lipt downward and kind of high up on the cheeks,

510
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:13.720
but there was nothing on the nose or the upper

511
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:15.039
lip as far as hair.

512
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:20.319
Was. The nose smushed like it had been smushed against

513
00:28:20.359 --> 00:28:20.839
the face.

514
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:23.839
I remember it being really broad and wide, and it

515
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:27.240
wasn't really sticking out far for as white as it was.

516
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:30.319
Let you think it'd be like, you know, kind of

517
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:34.079
proportionate like with the length, but it wasn't really sticking

518
00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:36.200
out that far compared to how white it was.

519
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:43.759
Had nostrils like hooded, Yeah, yeah, gotcha. Anything out of

520
00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:47.920
the ordinary with the mouth was it was it wide?

521
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:49.440
Anything you noticed?

522
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.480
It wasn't too over white. But I kept remembering trying

523
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:56.279
to look to see if I could see teeth, and

524
00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:59.079
then especially when it yelled, it opened its mouth, but

525
00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:02.440
I didn't see I was trying to see if it

526
00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:05.000
had like animal teeth or like human teeth, but I

527
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:07.960
just never saw teeth. I remember I kept looking trying

528
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:09.440
to see if I could see teeth, but I just

529
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:10.359
never saw teeth.

530
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:14.720
Okay, interesting, So there was never a like a bearing

531
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:16.960
teeth at you or anything like thought.

532
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:21.880
No, No, the only the whole time, it was just

533
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:25.359
like I don't know if I like being watched, like

534
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:27.119
if he was watching me, like you know I had

535
00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:29.960
like a security guard following me, or if he was

536
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.160
just watching me to make sure I wasn't like a threat,

537
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:35.640
you know, just like he was doing security you know,

538
00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:37.920
like he's the one like, hey, you need I see

539
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:40.519
you like you very stay back, you know. But I

540
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:46.279
never during that whole incident, I never felt any threat.

541
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:50.079
And even when he yelled when he hit his head,

542
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:52.400
I didn't get scared like he was.

543
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:55.359
Yelling at me big so society will be right back

544
00:29:55.440 --> 00:30:12.640
after these messages, I.

545
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:15.160
Could tell that obviously he was just he yelled at

546
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:17.839
the tree like he was at the tree like stugger dough.

547
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:20.720
You know. It's just like an outburst you know, from

548
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:25.079
pain exactly. But it wasn't directed. It wasn't it wasn't

549
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:28.440
looking downward towards me when he yelled or anything. It

550
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.559
wasn't directed towards me at all. So I never got

551
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:34.359
that fear of, oh, you know, he's coming for me,

552
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:35.680
you know anything like that.

553
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:41.440
Sure, different creatures have different ways of walking, right, every

554
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.519
everything has its gait, its way of walking. Did you

555
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:49.240
notice anything about the way that the Andre creature was

556
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:52.880
walking that you're like, man, that is really unique. There's

557
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:55.920
something different about the way that it's moving.

558
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:02.839
I just noticed that when it started to walk. After

559
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:05.039
like I was just looking around, and I first spotted

560
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:09.319
it when it first started to pace me, when I

561
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:10.960
when I was like what, I started to walk and

562
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:13.200
I was staring at it. Then when it first started

563
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:15.839
to walk, it was limping, like if it was favoring

564
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:19.240
one leg over the other, like a lot, like if

565
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:24.519
one leg had an injury or something. You know, like

566
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:26.720
if you had like you got a cast on one foot,

567
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:29.000
you know, with one of those walking boots or whatever,

568
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:33.440
and you're just like walking anyways, but you know one's not.

569
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.880
Working, right, I got ya? I got ya. Uh did

570
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:40.960
it have good posture at all? Or was it you know, no,

571
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:41.440
it was.

572
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:44.680
Kind of kind of slunched over a bit, you know,

573
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:49.559
wasn't it wasn't really like hump back, you know, like

574
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:52.599
not Tre Dame, you know, but it looked like it

575
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:55.759
was the whole time, it was slunched a bit forward.

576
00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:04.279
Okay, that's that's really interesting. So Archura, this is this

577
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:09.359
is such an interesting one, and I almost have to ask, like,

578
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:12.400
do you think you were looking at a bigfoot or

579
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:14.400
a sasquatch or do you think you were looking at

580
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:15.079
something else?

581
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:21.440
The whole thing of bigfoot and sasquatch never really came

582
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.920
to my mind until I started doing research. But what

583
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:27.359
I thought, really, I thought I saw a caveman or

584
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:29.440
like a giant, right because I was thinking to Andrea

585
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.279
the giant. So I started doing a lot of research

586
00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:36.079
on the giants, you know, and I got found out

587
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:41.000
about giganticism and things like that, and I thought it

588
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:42.400
was maybe that for a little bit, But then a

589
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:45.119
lot of the research I was looking at that most

590
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:49.599
people with giganticism don't live that long because they're you know,

591
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:53.119
pituitary glands whatever their body is like overgrowing so quick

592
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:56.359
that they most people die like in their twenties or thirties,

593
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:59.079
you know. And this thing was really old man status,

594
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:01.759
you know, like there was you know, a normal human

595
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:05.039
had there been eighties or nineties, you know, maybe pushing

596
00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:06.960
a hundred. So I'm like, there's no way this could

597
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:11.359
be a person with jack andism because they die so young,

598
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:13.480
you know, because they're the way their body overgrows and

599
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:15.880
they just can't handle it and their heart gives out.

600
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:18.759
So I was looking at that, and then I started

601
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:23.000
getting these stories about the giants that were found on

602
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:27.119
Catalina Island and some of New Mexico in a cave

603
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:30.440
that the natives had been battling for a while. And

604
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:33.359
that kind of caught my interest because they said that

605
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:36.960
those the you know, tribe of giant people that the

606
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:41.240
locals had been fighting, had red hair, big red beards

607
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:43.640
and long red hair, and what I saw had kind

608
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:46.799
of that reddish chocolate hair. So that so I started,

609
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:49.119
you know, I started going down that path, you know,

610
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:52.319
trying to find out about you know, these giants that

611
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:56.920
had been supposedly, you know fighting the natives, and they

612
00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:00.680
cornered him in his cave, and instead of losing anybody else,

613
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:03.279
I built a big giant fire in front of the

614
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:06.160
cave to smoke them out and you know, just kill

615
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:10.199
them by you know, carbon monoxide poisoning or whatever. And

616
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:12.199
so that kind of led me down that path for

617
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.440
a while. And then and then from that it started

618
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:20.000
turning towards cryptids, you know, doing research kind of. And

619
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:22.679
then Bigfoot came up quite a bit of times, but

620
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:25.519
I never really just put my finger on it. Oh,

621
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:28.119
I saw the Bigfoot because in my mind it just,

622
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:30.840
you know, was always a cave man. You know.

623
00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:36.239
It's extremely interesting. Did you ever look to see if

624
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:38.800
there had been other sightings in that same area of

625
00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:42.320
things that are the ordinary like what you saw?

626
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:48.000
Well, well, let me get to the second part of

627
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:54.599
the Southern California thing. Oh. Absolutely after that, after that incident,

628
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:59.039
I'm gonna say probably it was almost like exactly about

629
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:02.440
fourteen years ago to the day, almost my birthdays, we'll

630
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:05.079
just say my birthdays this week. And it was the

631
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:10.760
same week of my birthday in twenty ten, and I

632
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:14.000
had made it out to my Bushcraft shelters hang out

633
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.559
overnight and I was I was actually like in the

634
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:19.239
middle of a breakup with the girlfriend and all that.

635
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:21.599
I was like, you know, I'm just gonna disappear for

636
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:24.280
a while. I'm gonna go out in the woods, you know,

637
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:27.679
unwine relaxed. So I got me a bottle of Jack

638
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:31.920
Daniels and got me some mrs. For a couple of days.

639
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:33.679
There's a freeze drive food. I'm like, you know, I'm

640
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:36.519
gonna go hang out the creek. And I was out there,

641
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:40.559
and southern California has a lot of wildfires. You know,

642
00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:43.320
it's the same with Oregon where I'm at currently. But

643
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:46.679
there was night that I was sitting there sleeping. I

644
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:49.679
had just finished, you know, hanging out, chilling and drinking.

645
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:54.039
And I had a little portable bluetooth speaker with an

646
00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:57.280
MP three player that you know, you download the music whatever,

647
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:00.360
and I listened to that and my battery died on

648
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:02.840
the MP three player. So I was like, well, I

649
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:04.639
guess that's a wrap. You know, it's time to go

650
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.480
to bed. So I had laid down in the little

651
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:11.079
raised bed I'd built in my shelter, and I had

652
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:14.800
a small fire going in my shelter, but like in

653
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:17.599
the cave entrance part to where you like I was saying,

654
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:19.239
the smoke would pull away and all that. I just

655
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:21.760
get a little radiant heat, little light. But it was

656
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:24.440
like a really hot night, so I wasn't really had

657
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:26.480
a big fire going, so I could smell the smoke

658
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:29.599
from my fire, but not really too bad. And I'd

659
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:32.199
been laying down for about a half hours, almost asleep,

660
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:36.079
and then I heard like a fult the side of

661
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:38.920
my shelter. I was like, what was that is, like

662
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:41.360
if a bird flew into the side or something. And

663
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:43.599
I was thinking, oh, well, there's a lot of owls

664
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:46.119
around there, and there's a lot of bats from the

665
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:48.280
caves around there, and I was like, waybe a hour

666
00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:52.159
or bird or something flew into the shelter. About a

667
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:55.480
minute goes by, I heard another one, another one. Then

668
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:58.519
it starts getting louder, and it's like a more faster,

669
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:01.880
just like a rapid pace, things hitting the side of

670
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:03.440
my shelter. I guess to the point where I could

671
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:05.880
hear the things hitting my shelter and then kind of

672
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:09.440
rolling away down the slope. So I was like, so

673
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:12.400
we're throwing rocks at my you know, at my spot.

674
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:14.360
I was like, what the And by then I had

675
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:18.000
already stopped carrying my Ruger ten twenty two and started

676
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:21.960
carrying my glock to forty five APC with some heavy

677
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:25.800
hard cast bullets, some buffalo boards, you know, plus beefs,

678
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:28.840
you know, some bear stopping rounds. Because there had recently

679
00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:31.400
been a lot of spottings of mountain lions in the

680
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:34.559
area and a couple mountain biers that had been attacked

681
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:38.079
on the Orange County side of the mountain. So I

682
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:39.639
had my pistol. I was like, you know, I'm gonna

683
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.360
go outside, maybe just pop around off on the dirt,

684
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:48.079
chase the people off, and to go to sleep. And

685
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:50.039
then there became an urgency to it. Right as I'm

686
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:51.599
like trying to debate whether or not to go out

687
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.159
of the shelter and you know, maybe yell, scream a

688
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:56.800
little bit or whatever, I'm like, all right, well, something's

689
00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:59.440
got to be done. So right as I'm like putting

690
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:03.840
my headlamp on and turning the light on on my firearm,

691
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:10.239
I go to stand up in the shelter and there's

692
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:13.119
a pause for a minute, and then it rock hits

693
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:16.719
my shelter. That was so big it broke the wall

694
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:21.360
down on the entry like could be the I don't

695
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:23.840
know the southwest corner of my structure, but the very

696
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:26.639
outside corner. There's a couple pieces of the timber that

697
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:30.159
came out further right. Hanging things off on the outside,

698
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:33.280
you know, hanging Europe or swimming in the creek, you know,

699
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:35.920
hang up the shorts up there to dry off or whatever.

700
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:38.880
But a rock had got thrown out the shelter that

701
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:42.079
was so big, so hard that it ripped that whole

702
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:43.840
wall and my shelter open. So all of a sudden,

703
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.400
I'm standing there and the whole left wall my shelter

704
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:51.400
just gets ripped open, leans over, and it's the boards

705
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.920
are like still attached together because I had used a

706
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:59.440
pair of cord five fifty cord to lasso the walls together.

707
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.639
But it hit hard enough we're it ripped out all

708
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:05.119
the pair of cort up and down the steam. The

709
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:07.880
wall stayed intact, and it just ripped the wall open,

710
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:10.880
like two feet three feet open. That's when I was like,

711
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:13.199
what could possibly do that? Like you had to hit

712
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:15.639
it with the truck or something. So I go swing

713
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:18.079
the do open to go out of the shelter, and

714
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:20.639
I look to that side because that's where the wall

715
00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:23.000
came off. It was pitch black, nothing, and then I

716
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:25.519
realized that there's a lot of smoke everywhere. I look

717
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:28.840
back to the right that's going down the valley towards

718
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:31.880
where the road is where I hike in, and I

719
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:35.679
noticed that the whole hillside is on fire, all the

720
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:37.440
way up the valley, all the way up the creek,

721
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:40.280
where my whole path where I go to get in

722
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:44.159
there is completely on fire. Then fire's coming up the hill.

723
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:47.719
You know, it comes uphill a lot quicker than down here.

724
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:51.119
But the fire's coming uphill towards me. So I freak out,

725
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:54.639
get in my shelter. I'd throw on this Alice pack

726
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:57.480
I'd gotten from a buddy. Then Military is my favorite pack.

727
00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:01.400
But anyways, I throw my Alice pack on, go out

728
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:03.559
of the shelter. I'm looking around, looking around, trying to

729
00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:06.840
figure out what's going on. That's when I see this

730
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.960
massive rock on the floor that's like over a foot

731
00:40:11.079 --> 00:40:14.440
maybe foot and a half a diameter, laying right outside

732
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:17.960
on the side of the wall the shelter. And I

733
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:19.639
was like, that rock is what broke the wall. And

734
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:22.519
then I started thinking what could have thrown that rock?

735
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:24.920
You know, how that rock could have fallen off the hill,

736
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:27.239
would have came down and hit the roof of my shelter.

737
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:30.119
You know, it's obviously thrown from an angle from like

738
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:33.000
from the creek. I'm looking at this big rock. I

739
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:36.239
freak out. I see the fire getting closer. I'm just

740
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:39.960
like screw. This started going up the valley, up the

741
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:44.639
hill towards where the dried out waterfalls were, and they

742
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:46.679
had a rope that was tied to the side, and

743
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:49.679
sometimes in the waters high the kids will go up

744
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.639
there and swing off the rope and jump into the creek.

745
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:54.920
But I knew if I got to where that rope was,

746
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:57.639
I could pull myself up the dry waterfall and I'd

747
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:00.599
beat to an area that was only grad and dirt,

748
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:03.039
and there was no trees or shrubs, you know, nothing

749
00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:05.760
made her to catch fire. So I made my way

750
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.920
over there, and I got over there, and I was

751
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:11.519
having a lot of difficulty firing that rope. I was

752
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:13.280
looking in a panic stak. You know, I'm already out

753
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:15.800
of breath, you know. I just hooked it like a

754
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:19.960
good you know, quarter mile, half a mile as quick

755
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:22.400
as I could to get to that waterfall as the

756
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:24.880
fire fall of me. Then I started noticing in the

757
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:27.519
hillsides around me. I could see some light from the

758
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:31.519
fire trucks, and I didn't see a water dropping helicopter,

759
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:34.440
but usually they wouldn't drop water at night. Usually the

760
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:37.480
only fly in the daytime. So I'm like looking around,

761
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.599
looking around. I finally find the rope, get up that

762
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:43.800
little waterfall. I get to a dry flat spot and

763
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:45.400
then I just sit down in the dirt and I'm

764
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:47.920
watching the fire go up through the up through the

765
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.079
little valley, and then exactly where that band was when

766
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:53.760
my shelter was. That whole thing is burst into flames, ripped, roaring,

767
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:56.440
and I'm sitting up there on the dirt looking watching

768
00:41:56.440 --> 00:42:00.519
my whole shelters burn to the ground. And then I

769
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:02.360
was kind of just like shocked at all. Man, I

770
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:05.280
just all that work I've been put into for you know,

771
00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:08.960
six seven months building that shelter, It's just burnt to nothing.

772
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:12.159
And then I started thinking about, well, what threw that rock?

773
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.400
And then right as I'm thinking that, my dog does

774
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:18.000
this thing where he just kind of starts flipping out,

775
00:42:18.039 --> 00:42:20.840
like you hears something. My dog goes taking off running again.

776
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:23.440
I was like, dude, get back here, get back here,

777
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:26.360
and he goes tooking off, running kind of towards the fire.

778
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:29.039
And then I was thinking that was Andre. That had

779
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:32.119
to have been Andre. That was, you know, throwing those

780
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:34.599
little rocks at my shelter, trying to like warn me,

781
00:42:35.159 --> 00:42:37.039
and I was just ignoring it. So that's when it

782
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.599
just threw that massive rock and just busted the whole

783
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:43.159
wall down to tell me, like, hey, get out of there.

784
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:45.639
You know, you gotta go and then that's when I

785
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:47.679
was like, that thing just saved me, A thing just

786
00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:50.559
saved my life. You know. Then I came over this

787
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:54.840
like overwhelming, like emotional feelings where like I almost busted

788
00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:58.119
down in tears, almost crying. I'm just sitting there. And

789
00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:00.519
I just sat there on that ridge all night till

790
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:03.719
the sun came up, watching the watching everything burned down.

791
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:07.159
And that morning, once the sun was up real good,

792
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:09.679
I was able to find a nice path to hike out,

793
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:14.280
and hiked out and left, and I've never been there since,

794
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:16.719
and it's been almost about fourteen years since the day.

795
00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:23.719
That is incredible. I mean it honestly sounds like Andre

796
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:24.800
wanted you saved.

797
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:31.159
Yeah. I can't think of anything else that would have

798
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:33.400
you know, it was capable of doing that, you know,

799
00:43:33.960 --> 00:43:36.639
or would have done that. You know that just the

800
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:39.639
physical ability of lifting the rock that large and throwing

801
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:42.159
it so hard that it busted a whole wall off

802
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:45.079
my shelter. You know, I built that thing. Well, you know.

803
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:49.840
Absolutely, is there a reason that you haven't been back

804
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:53.320
in fourteen years or it just just hasn't happened.

805
00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:58.760
Well, after everything burned down, I was so confused, while

806
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:04.519
well Andre was and all that, you know, And I,

807
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:07.880
like I said, never felt threatened by him. But I

808
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:09.679
was like, well, if there's one, there might be more.

809
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:13.519
And what if the other ones aren't looking out for me?

810
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:16.760
You know, this was able to do so much stuff

811
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:20.159
to help save me, protect my life. You know, how

812
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:22.599
quick could one of those take my life? You know,

813
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:25.920
all of a sudden, my forty five didn't seem like

814
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:29.239
it was going to do anything, you know, so I

815
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:32.000
just got real cautious and I was like, you know,

816
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:34.599
I got to figure out what's out there, you know.

817
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:38.360
And I started getting close to there, like and I

818
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:40.679
had a neighbor that worked in those orchards over there

819
00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:43.000
at the bottom of the hill, and we were talking

820
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:47.000
about the fire one day, and he was older bicycle,

821
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:49.760
older Mexican guy. I'm half Mexican, and we were talking

822
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:52.639
in Spanish and then he was telling me he was

823
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:56.679
like oh and I saw him like, oh, I had

824
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:59.159
a little, you know, a little cabin there and all that.

825
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:01.039
And then he said, oh, will be careful when you're

826
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:01.840
out there.

827
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:05.960
Big, so society will be right back after these messages.

828
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:23.960
As to why, and then he's like, oh, well, he said,

829
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.599
you know, and that's when he said he said, hey,

830
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:29.519
you know, the the mountain people are there and all that,

831
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:32.159
like were you're talking about. You know, I didn't acknowledge

832
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:35.199
anything of you know what I fought Andrea, and then

833
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:38.000
he just said, oh, there's there's just some big, scary

834
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:41.679
people there, so we just we avoid that area. He's like, yeah,

835
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:43.880
just be careful when you're out there, you know. Well,

836
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:47.559
that's the only reference that I heard from anybody of

837
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:50.679
you know, anything being in that area.

838
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:54.320
Wow, it sounds like sounds like he knew something was

839
00:45:54.360 --> 00:46:00.360
going on, for sure. That is really interesting. I think

840
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.840
this interview might open up, so I'm not sure what

841
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:09.960
to think about our turo. This is a really really

842
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:12.800
interesting one. To be interesting to see what the comments

843
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:18.760
are like on this one, for sure. Man, I've never

844
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:22.360
heard it described like that before. Just the way it looks,

845
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:25.840
it's really weird. Thank you for sharing.

846
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:28.360
No problem.

847
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:35.599
The one that we were talking about before a few

848
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:45.559
hours ago. That, Yeah, that one is incredibly I want

849
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:47.719
to hear the whole story of this one coming up.

850
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:55.239
Yeah all right, Well fast forward to this actually happened

851
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:57.679
like at the beginning of the whole Rona deal and

852
00:46:57.719 --> 00:46:59.639
all that, you know, during lockdowns and all that, but

853
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:04.400
tired of that. I had been working for a sanitation

854
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:10.239
company doing porta potties and pumping out RVs and holding

855
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:12.800
tanks and things like that for one of the larger

856
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:17.480
companies in southern Oregon. But I had a pretty thorough

857
00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:22.679
background and off roading and things like that. And the

858
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:25.880
boss found out that, you know, I had a lot

859
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:30.199
of you know, skills with equipment in you know, peep woods,

860
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:34.400
sand trained desert snow mud, you know, the red clay,

861
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:36.639
all kinds of stuff. And I was one of the

862
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:39.360
newer guys, and they had sent me on a call

863
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:42.599
to where a lot of people had gotten stuck in

864
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:44.599
the trucks. Because those trucks are pretty heavy, you know,

865
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:47.519
most of them. We have about a thousand gallon holding

866
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:51.800
tank and maybe four hundred gallon freshwater tank for cleaning

867
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:54.440
the units out and refilling the water and all that.

868
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:56.719
But they're pretty heavy. Most of them are only tool

869
00:47:56.840 --> 00:47:59.320
driving fibers get stuck everywhere. And the boss was just

870
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:03.079
paying toe bills to recover all these trucks. And then

871
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:05.039
he said, hey, one of the guys said that you know,

872
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:07.599
you know your you know your way around off road

873
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:09.639
and all that, and I said yeah, and he said, hey,

874
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:12.280
we got a bunch of units toilets this guy that

875
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:15.199
paid his bill in months. And we sent a couple

876
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:17.400
of people out there to pick them up. But everybody

877
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:19.719
gets stuck trying to get out there. You know, you

878
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:21.360
think you could do it. So I went out there

879
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:25.000
and lower tire pressure, used low gears and everything, and

880
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:28.199
with the two wheel drive three point fifty, I got

881
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:30.159
out there, got the units, brought them back, and then

882
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:33.360
from that day on, after that first week of working there,

883
00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:37.039
like all the rural mountain routes and all the four

884
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:41.320
off locations, those became my routes. There was this valley

885
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:47.519
in southern Oregon, were quite a bit of grow sites

886
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:50.719
and there was a lot of gold mines, you know,

887
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:52.960
a lot of claims out there, but it was all

888
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:57.119
off four service roads and little plots of private property,

889
00:48:57.199 --> 00:48:59.679
but most of it was in the you know, US

890
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:02.840
four service and things like that are off the edges

891
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:06.000
of you know, state parks and stuff. But so I

892
00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:08.599
end up getting this route going out to these locations

893
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:11.880
where basically go to these locations at directions would be

894
00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:14.880
you know, three quarters a mile down this road and

895
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:16.960
you see fork in the road. You know, look for

896
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:20.559
the bent tree. Makeer right, you know, go down to

897
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:25.000
the you know, abandoned double wide, make a left. You know,

898
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:28.119
they're all no addresses or anything like that. And I got

899
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:32.480
real good at navigating out there, and over a point

900
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:35.639
of about four and a half five year period of

901
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:39.559
going out to these real rural sites where whether they're

902
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:43.239
gold mining or growing, security is like of the utmost thing.

903
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:49.719
Like everybody there's real you know, real unfriendly to newcomers

904
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:53.320
and outsiders and all that. And you know, people will

905
00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:56.039
start driving up the hill and a lot of the

906
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:58.559
people they get on their CB radios start talking like, hey,

907
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:00.519
there's you know, a white truck coming up to you know,

908
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:03.719
anybody expected visitors or we see a new vehicle or

909
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:06.760
you know there's a sheriff on the highway or whatever.

910
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:09.320
It was. Everybody kind of washed out for each other

911
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:11.360
because they all had their things going on, you know,

912
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:15.079
legal or unlegal, but everybody was real hushed about it.

913
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:18.239
But uh, no matter how tight security is, you know,

914
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:21.800
everybody loves the guy. You know, that's one thing you need.

915
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.880
You know, all those growth sites, gold mines, they all

916
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:27.960
have porta potties or RVs that need to be pumped out,

917
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:30.800
you know, so like you go up the mountain to

918
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:32.960
service them. You know, some would be on a weekly

919
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:35.960
basis and would be once a month, you know, depending

920
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:39.519
on what was going on. But you know, being uh,

921
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:42.119
being the porta partty guy, you get asked to a

922
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:45.320
lot of spots where nobody's allowed it. You know. I

923
00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:47.559
became pretty close friends with a lot of these old

924
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:54.639
timers up there, and one of them, uh, we'll just say, uh,

925
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:58.159
there are a lot of old like h Vietnam vets

926
00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:00.960
and things like that, majority of them and a couple

927
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:05.800
of moonshiners up there. But there's one gentleman in particular

928
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:09.400
that when I used to go start services site, he

929
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:11.679
had a old camper trailer that hadn't been from like

930
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:15.559
the seventies or eighties, falling apart just you know, the

931
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:19.400
whole roof was like three tarps, you know, glued on

932
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:24.719
duc dape. He had this old Dodge pickup and just

933
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:26.800
really run down camp. But I'd go out there and

934
00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:29.800
he had a porta party that I would service, and

935
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:33.039
then he also had his HARV that i'd pump out

936
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:37.280
and when the winner would come, we'd get good enough

937
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:40.880
snow and all that that that even the customers up

938
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:42.679
there would have trouble getting out, so they kind of

939
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.440
stock upon supplies for you know, a month and a half,

940
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:48.039
two month periods sometimes where they couldn't get out either.

941
00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:51.400
And but basically the way to get service did either

942
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:54.320
be on a set schedule or they'd call for service,

943
00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:58.679
and sometimes they wouldn't be able to, you know, call

944
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:00.400
for service whatever it so would be in the area,

945
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:02.400
and it was kind of customer we were used to

946
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:03.960
going to the boss will be like, oh, we'll swing

947
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:07.760
by X location see if they need service you while

948
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:11.800
I'm up there, you know. And at one point winter

949
00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:14.960
had started passing, and I came back up at the

950
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:19.000
beginning of the next spring, and I noticed that that

951
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:23.079
old guy, we'll just say, Whiskey Pete whatever, because he

952
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:25.840
did his own shine, moonshine and all that stuff too,

953
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:28.559
But Whiskey Pete. I go up to Whiskey Pete and

954
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:30.760
he doesn't have this beat up old Dodge Ram anymore

955
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:34.159
in his nineteen seventies trailer. All of a sudden, he's

956
00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:36.679
got a brand new four f five to fifty super

957
00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:41.119
duty four by four. His old beat up John Deere

958
00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:44.480
tractor he has. Now he's got brand new skid steer,

959
00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:49.679
like a forty foot big text trailer with a brand

960
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:53.039
new Kbota tractor sitting on there, and really nice fifth

961
00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:55.639
wheel trailer, all brand like, all equipment and everything on

962
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:58.519
the whole site was all brand new everything. I'm like, hey,

963
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:00.960
what's going on? Bro? I was like, I thought I

964
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:02.880
was at the wrong spot, and I started talking to

965
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:05.320
him and then he just told me, He's like, yeah,

966
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:07.320
things have been crazy around here. You know, that's why

967
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:09.079
why I came to meet you at the bar. I

968
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:11.320
was just sure who was coming up and their whole

969
00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:14.440
normal paranoid thing. And that's when I was kind of confusing.

970
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:16.400
He came down with that brand new F five fifty,

971
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:19.360
so I ended up going up there go to pump

972
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:21.679
out his new trailer and all I'm looking around like, dude,

973
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:23.320
how did you get all this stuff? And then he

974
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:25.320
told me he's just like, hey, man, and a lot

975
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:26.679
of the guys want to talk to each other a

976
00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:29.239
lot of things, but like everybody saw me as the outsiders,

977
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:31.760
like you know, the safe guy, you know, the porta

978
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:34.400
potty guy. So they confide to me a lot of things,

979
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:35.719
and he just telled me. He's like, hey, man, I

980
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:39.000
hit a vein. I said, what does that mean. He's like, dude,

981
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:41.760
I found some gold. I was like, you say that

982
00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:43.519
every week when I'm up here, you know, and he's like, no,

983
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:46.320
I found gold. So I saw I bought all this stuff.

984
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:48.400
And he's telling me the yeah, I've already sent a

985
00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:50.920
lot of money to my family. And he's like, but yeah,

986
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:52.559
I hit a vein. And I'm like, all right, well,

987
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:56.400
cool man, congrats and all that stuff. And I was like,

988
00:53:56.599 --> 00:53:58.199
it just a lot of equipment, you know, just that

989
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:00.119
f five fifty. I was like, I don't know, one

990
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:02.880
hundred thousand dollars truck, you know. And he was telling me,

991
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:05.800
he's like, everything's paid in full. That's when I was like, man,

992
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:09.360
maybe he really did get lucky. And then winter really

993
00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:11.800
started like setting in and I'm like, all right, well,

994
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:14.119
you know, it's gonna be a while before I see

995
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:16.400
him again. I'm like, all right, well, you know, I

996
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:19.000
dropped off a holding tank firm. It's a large, like

997
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:20.920
one hundred and fifty gallon tank you just put on

998
00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:23.039
the floor and run your RV to it for a

999
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:27.119
little extra you know, storage. The last through the snow,

1000
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:29.440
and then I was getting ready to leave, and then

1001
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:32.480
the guy gave me a three hundred dollars tip, right,

1002
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:34.679
and I'm like sweet man, and he's like, eh, you know,

1003
00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:36.920
get something for the kids for Christmas. I'm like, cool man.

1004
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:38.880
I had a lot of customers that would dip me

1005
00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:41.960
twenty bucks here and there, or you know, hey we're barbecuing,

1006
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:43.639
you know, you want some ribs or something like that,

1007
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:46.880
but I'd never really gotten any large tips before. So

1008
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:49.039
I was like, all right, cool. I pocketed it and everything,

1009
00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:51.800
and I took off, went on route, started talking to

1010
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:53.679
other people. And as soon as I started going to

1011
00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:58.119
the other pro sites and too the other you know,

1012
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:02.320
mining claims, everybody started thrilling me questions right away, like hey,

1013
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:04.400
what did you see up there? What's going on? But

1014
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:06.400
done like no, no, I went up there service for them.

1015
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:08.679
They're like, hey, did you see where you know? Where's

1016
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:10.559
the new tractor? Where's the people are asking all these

1017
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:12.880
questions like what's going on dude, like for reals, and

1018
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:15.360
they said, oh, well, we know he found gold, but

1019
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:18.840
he's he's basically closed off the camp. Nobody's come up

1020
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:20.320
here with the camp for a while. He doesn't let

1021
00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:22.960
anybody in anymore, like or like you're the first person

1022
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:25.199
who's been up there in the months. He don't let

1023
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:27.559
anybody in there anymore. And he barely gets on the

1024
00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:31.119
radio to communicate anymore. And I'm like, oh, I was like,

1025
00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:33.079
I don't know, he's doing his thing or whateverybody didn't

1026
00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:37.280
really want to talk about it, and uh, I just

1027
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:41.119
finished hero oute whatever. Winter I end up wrapping up.

1028
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:43.239
I am not going up there for like about two

1029
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:46.880
months or so. I went back up there, and the gentleman,

1030
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:50.760
you want to say, whiskey Pete came at me with

1031
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:52.920
the offer and he said, hey, man, I've been people

1032
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:54.880
who have been trying to rob me. You know. He's like,

1033
00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:57.480
I can't even go down the mountain now without people

1034
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:01.239
stopping me trying to rob me. And then I noticed

1035
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:05.199
that he had a AK forty seven pistol at draco

1036
00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:07.920
just slung over her side and he just had it

1037
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:10.280
on him. And before that I'd see him carry a

1038
00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:12.840
revolver once in a while, you know. But he was

1039
00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:15.920
like really getting scared, you know, he was like really

1040
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:18.559
high up in intensity. And he told me, yeah, he's

1041
00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:20.039
like I've been doing real good and he said, hey,

1042
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:21.840
I need you to talk to your boss about something.

1043
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:24.079
He's like, you're the only person who can get up

1044
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:27.320
and down this mountain without question. And he's like, hey man.

1045
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:30.840
And he showed me this big concrete slab with it

1046
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:33.480
just looked kind of like a sludge and whatever shit

1047
00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:35.840
on there, with some water on it. And he told me,

1048
00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:37.719
he's like, hey, do you think your truck could pump

1049
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:40.639
this stuff up? I said, yeah, it's just you know,

1050
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:44.440
this is no big rock, so you know, clogged, the

1051
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:46.840
clogged the pump up or the valve. Yeah, you know,

1052
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:49.039
it sucked that into the tank. I was like, is

1053
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:52.360
that sewage or and he said no, it's uh, you know,

1054
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:54.440
he's like, it's tailings whatever, it's crushed. He said, there's

1055
00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:57.199
golden here. So there's golden there. And he's like, yeah,

1056
00:56:57.239 --> 00:56:58.840
it's not has it been cleaned out yet, but there's

1057
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:01.320
a lot of golden here. And the guy was trying

1058
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:05.360
to convince me to ask my boss if I could

1059
00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:08.360
take a load up there, just pump out this big

1060
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:11.440
slab with the sludge and water on it, and then

1061
00:57:11.480 --> 00:57:15.199
take it to a you know, undisclosed location. They said

1062
00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:18.119
they're gonna be probably about one hundred miles away and

1063
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:20.320
then just dump out the whole holding tank. He said, yeah,

1064
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:23.599
come up here empty, you know, close the takeout, clean

1065
00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:26.400
it out, come up here. Just suck this whole ground up,

1066
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:28.800
take it to the place. And he's I'll tell your boss,

1067
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:31.679
I'll give him five thousand bucks. I'll give you five

1068
00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:34.320
thousand bucks, you know, one hundred mile drive. And I

1069
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:36.840
was like, that's good money, you know, sucking up this

1070
00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:38.519
and I was like, this is really I'm staring at it.

1071
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:40.559
I don't see any gold in there, but he's telling

1072
00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:43.119
me there's a lot of gold in there. So I'm like, yeah,

1073
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:44.519
I'll talk to my boss about it. Talk to my

1074
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:46.679
boss about He said, no way, we're not doing nothing

1075
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:49.960
with it. Forget about it. I'm like, all right, cool,

1076
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:52.719
conversation done. I went back to next week, told him, hey,

1077
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:55.119
I can't do nothing. You know, maybe call a different

1078
00:57:55.159 --> 00:57:57.000
septic company and maybe can talk somebody else into it,

1079
00:57:57.079 --> 00:58:01.000
but Boston can let me use equipment. He's like, all right,

1080
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:04.559
So that passes in. I'm really really like, man, this

1081
00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:06.559
guy's really got a lot of gold going on if

1082
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:09.800
he's trying to have it pumped into a sewage truck

1083
00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:13.280
to transport it down the mountain without anybody knowing that

1084
00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:16.039
he's bringing gold out of his sight. So then I'm like,

1085
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:18.199
this is getting crazy with this guy. That's gold, right,

1086
00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:21.719
He's got a lot of gold. You know. Me and myself,

1087
00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:23.760
I went paying once or twice in the creek. I

1088
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:26.480
never even found a spectacle, not a flake, nothing, you know.

1089
00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:30.559
So I'm like, all right, whatever. A little while goes

1090
00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:35.599
on later and I'm maybe two three months pass. He

1091
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:37.480
doesn't call. He's a call for servers and a call

1092
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:40.360
for servers, and it's my boss is like, hey, you know,

1093
00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:41.960
why don't you go up there? Take a look. I

1094
00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:44.599
go to go up there. The whole entry gate is

1095
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:47.480
like barricaded off. He's got a bunch of big boulders

1096
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:49.920
in the front, and then his tractor parked behind the boulders.

1097
00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:52.840
Like there's no way I'm getting up there. So I'm like,

1098
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:55.320
all right, skip it, mark it off as a you know, lockate,

1099
00:58:55.400 --> 00:59:00.840
no service, go leave. Winter comes around again, so now

1100
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:03.400
it's about a year since he's you know, hit a

1101
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:06.920
vein as he put it or whatever, and the boss says, hey,

1102
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:08.480
you need to go up there. We haven't services guy

1103
00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:12.559
for a while. So I get up there. I go

1104
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:16.960
to service him, and the gates open, those bowlers are moved,

1105
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:20.199
and the tractor's just like off to the side, almost

1106
00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:22.039
like in the ditch, like half in the ditch. I

1107
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:25.199
drive up there and look around. His whole camp is

1108
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:28.880
just tossed up. There's this equipment laid over all. His

1109
00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:32.559
shipping containers are open, wide open, things thrown on the

1110
00:59:32.559 --> 00:59:36.880
floor everything. I'm like, what's going on. I'm like, well, obviously,

1111
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:40.159
you know, I'm I'm hitting the horn. He doesn't come out,

1112
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:42.159
and I'm like, yeah, you know, it's something wrong here.

1113
00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:46.360
I'm leaving. I turn around, I leave, I go to

1114
00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:50.400
the next spot. And we'll just call this guy the preacher, right.

1115
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:54.440
So I go to the preacher's mining claim, very religious

1116
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:59.599
man and so is a whiskey pete. And I go

1117
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:02.559
over the and I've never seen this guy take a

1118
01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:06.880
sit with alcohol or smoke or anything. The pastors. I

1119
01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:08.880
go over the pastors. He's sitting on his front porch.

1120
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:12.920
This guy smashed, he just hammered, just like plastered, drunk,

1121
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:16.599
like what's going on? And you know, and he's just

1122
01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:19.760
crying and he starts crying. He's like bawling, crying, and

1123
01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:23.119
he starts confiding in me that he feels so bad

1124
01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:24.559
and he doesn't know if he's going to get into

1125
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:27.079
heaven now because is what he's done and all this

1126
01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:30.519
what's going on. And then he starts telling me that

1127
01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:35.559
they lost communication with Pete for a while over the

1128
01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:37.599
radio with everybody on the mountain, and they noticed that

1129
01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:40.199
he wasn't coming out no more at all. So a

1130
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:42.880
couple of the guys that were good friends of his

1131
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:46.800
decided to go up there, and they went up there

1132
01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:50.000
and they found him dead in his fifth little trailer,

1133
01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:52.119
laying in the bed, dead.

1134
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:55.800
Thinks, so society will be right back after these messages.

1135
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:14.360
Just like he'd already been dead for like a week

1136
01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:16.440
or two when they found him. You know, the whole

1137
01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:19.880
trailer was already smelling like, you know, dead flesh. The

1138
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:22.719
body was like real bloated and all that. And they

1139
01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:25.960
go outside and they're like, oh, well, we need to

1140
01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:28.159
call the cops, you know, we need to you know,

1141
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:31.519
notify the family or call you know, paramics or somebody

1142
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:33.199
to come up, you know, come get his body and

1143
01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:36.559
this and that, and one of the guys mentioned like, hey,

1144
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:40.440
well should we look around first, and the other guys like,

1145
01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:42.320
what do you mean, Like, well, he's got abless gold.

1146
01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:44.199
You know, it's got to be somewhere here, So we

1147
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:47.239
look for the gold first. So they decide, all right,

1148
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:49.280
we'll start, let look real quick, and then we'll call.

1149
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:51.679
And now I guess it became this thing. We're there

1150
01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:54.719
up at his at his at his spot, had his

1151
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:58.760
claim for like four or five weeks, carrying it up

1152
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:02.599
inch per inch, and that's where all that damage ass

1153
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:05.280
ball was, everything tossed over. They were looking for his

1154
01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:07.920
goals because he had it, came down the mountain for

1155
01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:10.559
months to cash in gold, and they know he was

1156
01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:13.039
bringing a lot of golds, so they're like, this goal

1157
01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:16.079
has got to be somewhere. So they're looking around, looking around,

1158
01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:19.079
and they're thinking, but if it's under his bed, you know.

1159
01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:22.000
So they told me that they literally rolled over his

1160
01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:25.119
body on the bed. At this point, he'd already been

1161
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:28.519
dead for six seven weeks, you know, maybe two months

1162
01:02:28.519 --> 01:02:31.360
at this point. They rolled his body over and folded

1163
01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:34.000
the mattress in half so they could lift up under

1164
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:37.199
his bed and look under his bed for gold. They

1165
01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:40.360
couldn't find any anything under there that was gold at all.

1166
01:02:41.199 --> 01:02:43.440
So as they were putting the unfolding the mattress, putting

1167
01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:46.400
it back, they noticed that he had his little notepad

1168
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:49.280
and his bible in his back pocket. And he had

1169
01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:52.039
his little bible he carried all the time. He'd write

1170
01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:54.239
different things, highlight things in there and stuff and this

1171
01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:56.840
little notepad and they're like, oh, the notepad. So they

1172
01:02:56.880 --> 01:03:00.000
grabbed the notepad and the bible out of his pocket.

1173
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:03.400
They're looking through the notepad and they can't really find anything,

1174
01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:05.679
find anything, And they go look in his bible and

1175
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:07.880
there's like a little passage written like a note to

1176
01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:10.760
his son with GPS coordinates, and he told us for

1177
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:13.199
his son. He's like, hey, I love you. You know, I'm

1178
01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:15.440
sorry for things in life, this and that. And he's like,

1179
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:17.599
but you know, go to the spot this is will

1180
01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:20.800
change your life. So they read that and immediately thinking,

1181
01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:23.760
this is where the guy buried the gold. This is

1182
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:25.840
the cordinate's right here, this is where the gold is.

1183
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:28.280
You know, there's a note for his son to get

1184
01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:31.360
the gold. This is the gold. Let's go look. So

1185
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:34.599
they go back. The guy yanks his GPS out of

1186
01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:38.360
his pickup truck. They start walking around the GPS they

1187
01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:41.199
put the coordinates in and they find this spot that

1188
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:45.039
leads them to the GPS coordinates. They go out there

1189
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:47.480
with shovels and pickaxes, and there was a spot where

1190
01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:50.039
you couldn't really get in with the a tractor or

1191
01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:52.079
any equipment. It's kind of like on the side of

1192
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:55.320
a hill. They have to spot. They start looking around,

1193
01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:58.599
looking around, and they got a metal detector too, and

1194
01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:02.679
then they find this rock hammer. But he says, basically

1195
01:04:02.719 --> 01:04:05.480
like the hammer one side's like it's a small hammer,

1196
01:04:05.559 --> 01:04:07.920
like a little ballping hammer kind of but on one

1197
01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:09.440
side it's like a little pick and the other side

1198
01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:11.199
is kind of like a bull being like a flat

1199
01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:14.559
hammer or whatever. But they find this hammer like buried

1200
01:04:14.679 --> 01:04:17.440
just like two inches under the dirt. So like, oh,

1201
01:04:17.480 --> 01:04:20.320
this has got to be a you know, X Marx spot.

1202
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:24.159
They move a hammer, they start digging. At this point,

1203
01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:26.039
they'd already talked to a lot of other guys in

1204
01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:28.119
the mountains, and now there's like six dudes out there,

1205
01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:31.400
all from like fifty years old to like ninety years old.

1206
01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:34.719
A bunch of really old dudes, old timers, digging with

1207
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:37.719
shovels and pick axes. They get down about three or

1208
01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:42.400
four feet and they find a large bone and they're like,

1209
01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:44.840
you know, did you know they knew he's had balls

1210
01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:46.519
with people trying to rob him? And they're like, well,

1211
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:48.679
you know, did he kill somebody who was trying to

1212
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:51.360
rob her, you know, and bury the body? And they're like, well,

1213
01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:53.480
maybe it's not a human bone, you know, Let's keep looking.

1214
01:04:54.039 --> 01:04:56.159
So they keep digging and they start to find more

1215
01:04:56.199 --> 01:04:59.159
bones and like, hey man, these bones are like really big,

1216
01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:03.039
and they're like, well, like, well, maybe he buried the

1217
01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:05.880
gold under the body, you know, thinking if somebody dug

1218
01:05:05.920 --> 01:05:08.599
down and found a body, they're gonna stop digging and

1219
01:05:08.679 --> 01:05:10.760
the goal is gonna be under the body, you know.

1220
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:13.679
So they amongst each other they discuss it and they're like,

1221
01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:18.159
all right, let's keep digging. They continue to dig a

1222
01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:20.320
little bit more, and that's when they find the skull,

1223
01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:22.880
and they realize that the skull is way bigger than

1224
01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:25.599
the normal human skull and it's not shaped the same

1225
01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:29.480
as a regular human skull. They get they get they

1226
01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:31.800
get all real confused, and they're just discussing what to do,

1227
01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:37.440
and then one of them just says it's sasquatch, and

1228
01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:39.159
they all look at each other like no, and they're

1229
01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:41.920
like standing at the skull, stare at the skull, and

1230
01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:44.679
they're like bury it, cover it back up, cover it

1231
01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:46.960
back up. So they started throwing all the bones back

1232
01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:49.559
in the hole, but all the dirt over it. They

1233
01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:53.000
threw that rock camera at the bottom down where they'd

1234
01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:58.559
found those bones, covered the whole thing up, left, left

1235
01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:01.039
the whole mind, the whole site altogether. They never found

1236
01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:05.559
any goals, all of them left and decided to like

1237
01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:09.039
do a pack of secrecy that nobody's gonna discuss what happened.

1238
01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:12.000
They're is gonna wait for somebody else to find the body.

1239
01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:15.480
They're not even gonna know acknowledge that he's dead, you

1240
01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:18.880
know nothing. They were never there, you know, everybody, you know,

1241
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:24.679
hush and uh but basically the you know, pastor of

1242
01:06:24.719 --> 01:06:27.960
the features, you know, sitting there crying, balling and just

1243
01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:30.440
telling me about how he you know, he is going

1244
01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:34.039
to go to hell because uh, you know, the guy

1245
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:37.199
was dead up there, and you know they just hit it,

1246
01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:40.280
you know, and let his body brought away and wasn't

1247
01:06:40.280 --> 01:06:42.440
able to you know, the family wasn't able to grieve

1248
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:45.199
and bury him or anything, and just out of their

1249
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:47.880
pure greed for gold, and he started telling me how like,

1250
01:06:48.039 --> 01:06:50.320
you know, you know, once you once you get a

1251
01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:52.239
little gold in your hand, he went more and more,

1252
01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:55.280
and you know, the nugget is never big enough, you know.

1253
01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:57.639
And he starts telling me about like, you know, how

1254
01:06:57.639 --> 01:07:00.719
he got addicted to gold mining, you know, twenty plus

1255
01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:02.840
years before and I've spent his whole life since. And

1256
01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:05.360
he was just crying and balling. I'm like, man, is

1257
01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:07.760
this real? Like is this trooper? Then I was thinking

1258
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:10.679
about what I saw with the whole campsite. Everything just

1259
01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:13.400
ripped up and tore up. So I'm like, man, and

1260
01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:15.639
I was like, you know, I'm like, well, why don't

1261
01:07:15.679 --> 01:07:17.400
you call the comps or something, you know, it just

1262
01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:20.000
anonys me. And then he said that one of the

1263
01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:22.840
other guys had already called and that they had just

1264
01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:27.840
been up there like the week before and took in

1265
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:32.239
the whiskey Peach's body. They had already just notified the

1266
01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:35.599
Mexican and there waiting for a Mexican to come out

1267
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:39.880
to the property and all that stuff. And it just

1268
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:43.400
kind of blew my mind that I was more blown

1269
01:07:43.480 --> 01:07:46.840
away to the greed of them having this dead body

1270
01:07:46.920 --> 01:07:50.199
sitting there while they're tearing up this guy's property looking

1271
01:07:50.239 --> 01:07:53.039
for golds, and then the whole thing of them like

1272
01:07:53.239 --> 01:07:56.079
turning the body over to look under the bed for

1273
01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:59.559
gold because they were so struck by having to find golds,

1274
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:04.239
you know, and the whole story of everything. I thought

1275
01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:05.840
about it, you know, and I was like, that's crazy.

1276
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:08.159
And then I started thinking about does such I have

1277
01:08:08.199 --> 01:08:10.960
a dead fast launch on his poverty? Like did he

1278
01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:13.679
kill a fast watch and bury it? You know? And

1279
01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:15.679
then I was like, oh man, this is just crazy.

1280
01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:17.840
After that, I told my boss. I was like, hey, man,

1281
01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:22.319
I can't do that route anymore, you know, tired of

1282
01:08:22.359 --> 01:08:26.039
dealing with customers, too far between locations, you know, I

1283
01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:27.920
don't get home till after dark. I'm just I'm not

1284
01:08:27.920 --> 01:08:30.399
going to do the route anymore. So I stopped doing

1285
01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:34.039
that route. And the same thing. I've never been back since.

1286
01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:45.119
Arturo. That's that's the wildest hold on. That's the wildest

1287
01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:51.399
thing I've ever heard on this podcast. Do you think

1288
01:08:51.479 --> 01:08:54.319
there's a buried sasquatch skull in that area?

1289
01:08:56.840 --> 01:09:00.239
It could be or it really could have been, you know,

1290
01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:03.199
just a larger person. You know, maybe he did kill

1291
01:09:03.279 --> 01:09:06.119
somebody that was trying to rob him. After he got

1292
01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:09.199
all that gold, you know, or maybe it, you know,

1293
01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:11.479
could have been a sasquatch. But then I was thinking

1294
01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:14.159
back at it at the beginning of his property, like

1295
01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:17.920
in southern Oregon, a lot of people have sasquatch stands

1296
01:09:17.960 --> 01:09:20.399
a little like wooden figurines, and they a lot of

1297
01:09:20.399 --> 01:09:22.720
people have this thing. It's like a big cardboard cutout,

1298
01:09:23.239 --> 01:09:25.680
like you get like, you know, a four by ten

1299
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:27.840
sheet of plywood and they kind of cut out the

1300
01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:30.760
outline like a big stancil of a sasquatch, and then

1301
01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:33.159
they painted black or brown and they screw it on

1302
01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:35.479
the trees. You know. I see it all over Oregon.

1303
01:09:36.439 --> 01:09:39.439
At the beginning of his driveway to go up to

1304
01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:42.079
Pett's place, he had one on each side of the

1305
01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:46.439
driveway since before, like when I just started and and

1306
01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:50.760
it said, you know, you know, keep out, beware, I'm watching,

1307
01:09:51.560 --> 01:09:53.640
you know, all that stuff. But that wasn't a big

1308
01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:56.119
thing because everybody in southern Oregon has some kind of

1309
01:09:56.520 --> 01:10:01.560
sasquatch something, you know. And then thinking back to I

1310
01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:03.920
do remember him a couple of times talking like, yeah,

1311
01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:06.079
we'll be carefully there, you know, I'd believing kind of

1312
01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:09.960
later to be careful, you know, sasquatch out in the woods,

1313
01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:12.600
and you know, little quotes and stuff like that. But

1314
01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:15.039
he never really told me specifically like hey, I've seen

1315
01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:17.640
I've seen a squatch, or I killed a squatch or

1316
01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:19.960
anything like that. But it was kind of just kind

1317
01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:24.880
of you know, common knowledge or just spoken normally, you know,

1318
01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:28.640
in that general area. So I never really overthunk it,

1319
01:10:28.840 --> 01:10:31.159
you know. But then after they say his sasquatch and

1320
01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:33.439
all that, I started thinking back to like, yeah, he

1321
01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:36.119
had a lot of big foot stuff on his property,

1322
01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:40.560
you know, little wind chimes with bigfoot and just different

1323
01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:43.720
little things, you know, bigfoot sticker on the side of

1324
01:10:43.720 --> 01:10:46.399
his old trailer before he got the new one and

1325
01:10:46.439 --> 01:10:48.960
all that. So I'm like, hey, he probably was a believer.

1326
01:10:49.039 --> 01:10:52.079
But was he a believer because he found one and

1327
01:10:52.119 --> 01:10:52.520
killed it?

1328
01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:57.119
You know, Man, so many I don't know, so many

1329
01:10:57.199 --> 01:11:00.880
questions we will never get the answer to, absolutely never

1330
01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:03.479
get the answer. I bet Whiskey Pete has some wild

1331
01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:07.640
big foot encounters up there on that mountain. My goodness,

1332
01:11:07.640 --> 01:11:09.000
that that was wild.

1333
01:11:11.479 --> 01:11:13.520
It's just like a wild West up there, man, Like

1334
01:11:14.079 --> 01:11:17.920
they like everybody's this sss, you know, shoot shovel shut up,

1335
01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:21.560
and that could be everything from uh you know, people

1336
01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:24.039
sneaking onto the gross sites, getting caught in the gold

1337
01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:26.960
mining clams. You know, they shoot you and they bury you.

1338
01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:29.600
You know, it's like as common knowledge, like they never

1339
01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:32.680
call the cops, you know there's any problems beast between

1340
01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:36.279
neighbors Hillside and the Hillside. You know, I rarely hear

1341
01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:39.840
stories of anybody calling authorities for any problems that's going

1342
01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:42.600
on there. You know, they they take care of everything themselves.

1343
01:11:42.680 --> 01:11:47.000
So the fact that there's somebody buried there wasn't really

1344
01:11:47.079 --> 01:11:48.920
too much of a shock to me. But the fact

1345
01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:51.920
that they said they was giant, and his skull was

1346
01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:55.520
real huge and looked different. And then then they said, oh,

1347
01:11:55.600 --> 01:11:58.319
well the guys mentioned it's a task watch, and they're like, oh,

1348
01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:00.319
they all panicked and just start bearing it.

1349
01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:02.119
You know, that's so wild.

1350
01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:03.439
That threw me off.

1351
01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:07.039
They're like, no, we're not in this at all. Bury

1352
01:12:07.119 --> 01:12:10.279
it up. That's so crazy. Can you even I mean,

1353
01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:12.600
this is such an intense story. Can you even share

1354
01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:13.680
what county it is in.

1355
01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:23.600
The uh well, we'll say it's uh An, We'll say

1356
01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:28.840
like near the border of Josephine County in Douglas County.

1357
01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:38.079
Gotcha, man, that's this is I got.

1358
01:12:38.119 --> 01:12:41.039
I got. I believe that because because I I I

1359
01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:45.000
I had never seen that man smoke a cigarette. Do

1360
01:12:46.079 --> 01:12:48.399
you know. I've never seen the preacher, you know, pastor

1361
01:12:48.479 --> 01:12:52.439
do anything of mind altering anything. In years of going

1362
01:12:52.520 --> 01:12:55.199
up there, you know, they'd even have little community to

1363
01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:58.560
get togethers where they'd hang out and barbecue and everybody

1364
01:12:58.720 --> 01:13:02.159
be sitting on shine or you know, hanging out, you know,

1365
01:13:02.359 --> 01:13:04.439
smoking and whatever. He never touched anything. And that time

1366
01:13:04.399 --> 01:13:07.319
I'm up there and he was just belligerate, drunk, crying

1367
01:13:07.359 --> 01:13:09.199
and all that. That's when I was like, man, this

1368
01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:11.359
guy is serious. You know, something serious is going on.

1369
01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:14.680
After I had just left the other place that was

1370
01:13:14.720 --> 01:13:17.960
torn up, you know, and I'm like, you know, I

1371
01:13:18.079 --> 01:13:20.159
was just believing like him word for word. You know,

1372
01:13:20.399 --> 01:13:23.720
he doesn't seem like he's never seemed like a dishonest

1373
01:13:23.720 --> 01:13:27.119
person in any sort, you know. And the worst part

1374
01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:31.319
about all this is I heard from the next guy

1375
01:13:31.359 --> 01:13:34.319
that took over that route. They'd sent one guy he

1376
01:13:34.359 --> 01:13:36.720
got lost everywhere, couldn't find any of the locations because

1377
01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:39.640
they're real hard to find. So then they told me like, hey,

1378
01:13:40.039 --> 01:13:41.439
you know, you want to do a ride along with

1379
01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:43.119
the next guy who's going to take over the route,

1380
01:13:43.159 --> 01:13:45.399
so you could show him the route. And I said, no,

1381
01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:49.439
not really, I'm not going up there no more. And

1382
01:13:49.760 --> 01:13:52.159
so they found another guy that worked with the company

1383
01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:56.239
that used to do that route prior to me working there.

1384
01:13:56.960 --> 01:13:59.960
They sent him up there, and when he came down

1385
01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:03.359
the mountain, uh, he was talking about the Uh yeah,

1386
01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:08.319
the preacher committed suicide. I said what I said, I said,

1387
01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:12.439
preacher pastor, like pastor, I was like, you know, the well,

1388
01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:15.600
you know whatever, the you know, the yellow car and this,

1389
01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:18.399
you know, like that guy is a yeat. He blew

1390
01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:23.159
his head off shotgun. Nobody knows. Nobody knows why he

1391
01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:24.039
blew his head off.

1392
01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:25.399
He could he couldn't live.

1393
01:14:26.199 --> 01:14:29.680
Yeah, yeah, And I remember him just telling me how

1394
01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:34.079
he's he's going to hell for, you know, desecrating that

1395
01:14:34.159 --> 01:14:37.600
man's body and not calling the authorities, and you know,

1396
01:14:37.640 --> 01:14:40.159
he was just crying and balling, and I'm like, I

1397
01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:43.039
could totally see him doing that, just in the drunken

1398
01:14:43.079 --> 01:14:47.119
stupor just you know, upset about what happened. And I

1399
01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:50.560
could totally see that happening, you know, But I personally

1400
01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:53.479
haven't not been back up there since. But you know

1401
01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:57.760
that's what I heard, is you know pastor uh you

1402
01:14:57.760 --> 01:14:59.000
know opted out, shall.

1403
01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:08.720
We say, Arturo? This is It is, without a doubt,

1404
01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:12.720
the most intense story I have heard in the last

1405
01:15:12.760 --> 01:15:18.039
five years. And I don't even want to think of

1406
01:15:18.079 --> 01:15:21.479
what's going to come from the comments on this one.

1407
01:15:21.560 --> 01:15:26.039
I mean, I'm sure maybe other people know parts of

1408
01:15:26.039 --> 01:15:29.920
this story that that you didn't know because it happened later,

1409
01:15:30.039 --> 01:15:33.279
and man, who knows where this is going to go next.

1410
01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:38.039
But Arturo, thank you for sharing what you've experienced over

1411
01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:40.560
the years. This is absolutely wild.

1412
01:15:42.520 --> 01:15:44.720
Yeah, I've been wanting to talk about with somebody for

1413
01:15:44.760 --> 01:15:48.039
a long time. And I guess I lived out here

1414
01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:50.319
in southern Oregon though when we first moved out here,

1415
01:15:50.319 --> 01:15:54.680
we'd moved to Grasspath, Oregon, right when we first first

1416
01:15:54.720 --> 01:15:58.560
moved up here, and they're like, they have these big

1417
01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:03.239
Caveman statues around, like the tow truck company is Caveman Towing,

1418
01:16:03.359 --> 01:16:06.520
and the high school football team or like the Caveman

1419
01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:09.319
or whatever. Like all this caveman stuff, I'm like, is

1420
01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:11.000
just just rubbing it in my face, you know, Like

1421
01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:13.000
when I moved away from Soak I was just kind

1422
01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:15.079
of trying to block out of my mind forget about it.

1423
01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:18.520
I'm seeing all this caveman stuff, right, and I'm still

1424
01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:21.399
on an impression that, you know, Andre, that I saw

1425
01:16:21.439 --> 01:16:25.199
with some kind of caveman or some giant or you know,

1426
01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:27.479
something like that, right, And I see all this big

1427
01:16:27.520 --> 01:16:29.359
foot stuff all the time. I'm like, hen, he's idiots

1428
01:16:29.399 --> 01:16:32.439
believing in bigfoot, right, So I'd like the idiots with

1429
01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:36.159
their bigfoot stuff. But I'm seeing all this caveman stuff.

1430
01:16:36.199 --> 01:16:39.119
But I would sit back at you know, bonfires, hanging out,

1431
01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:41.720
you know, captain with the boys, and I'd heard people

1432
01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:43.840
kind of talk a little little stories here and there

1433
01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:46.840
about bigfoot and all that. But you know, me personally,

1434
01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:49.159
I'm you know, I still don't consider that I've seen

1435
01:16:49.159 --> 01:16:51.600
a big foot. I saw something else, you know, But

1436
01:16:51.720 --> 01:16:54.600
out here it's like bigfoot just common knowledge. Some people,

1437
01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:57.520
you know, you know, not out of ten would be like, oh,

1438
01:16:57.560 --> 01:16:59.960
that's a myth and that's the greatest host of all

1439
01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:02.800
all times, and you know whatever, it's just serious. A

1440
01:17:02.920 --> 01:17:05.680
he's saying enough people everybody thinks it's true, you know.

1441
01:17:05.800 --> 01:17:08.479
And then like one I had ten people were like, yeah,

1442
01:17:08.560 --> 01:17:10.840
they're real, like, oh, my uncle had one at the

1443
01:17:10.840 --> 01:17:13.319
back of his property, you know, and that's just you

1444
01:17:13.399 --> 01:17:15.079
know common. No, it's like it's not a big deal.

1445
01:17:15.159 --> 01:17:16.479
But then like the other night, people you talk to

1446
01:17:16.520 --> 01:17:18.840
you are like, you're ridiculous, you know. So I never

1447
01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:22.600
mentioned to anybody what I saw in sothern of California

1448
01:17:22.680 --> 01:17:24.920
with the andundree jokes. I just didn't want to be

1449
01:17:25.039 --> 01:17:27.399
rig called, like, oh you saw a cave man, you know,

1450
01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:29.680
So I just never really mentioned it. But I just

1451
01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:33.399
kind of listen to other people's stories and you know,

1452
01:17:34.439 --> 01:17:38.159
but out here, I've never seen nothing in Oregon personally,

1453
01:17:38.159 --> 01:17:41.680
I've never seen nothing in a couple of black bears. Yeah,

1454
01:17:42.239 --> 01:17:45.239
things like that. But yeah, we'll take it for what

1455
01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:48.079
it is. But you know, the look in that man's face,

1456
01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:49.680
I believe what he was telling.

1457
01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:52.760
Me, you know, I think he made the right choice

1458
01:17:53.439 --> 01:17:56.640
just walking away from all that. I don't think that

1459
01:17:56.720 --> 01:18:00.000
would have gotten any better for you. Just there's there's

1460
01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:03.640
too much, too much going up in that area that

1461
01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:06.800
is not not what you want to mess with, for sure.

1462
01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:12.560
Yeah, I realized it. Man. Gold makes people crazy, Yeah,

1463
01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:14.039
crazy for gold.

1464
01:18:17.119 --> 01:18:19.319
Such a sad story but also such a I mean

1465
01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:24.199
it's it's wilder than most of the movies I've seen.

1466
01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:29.720
To be honest, it's it's an incredibly intense arturo Thank

1467
01:18:29.800 --> 01:18:32.960
you so much for coming on the show and for

1468
01:18:33.119 --> 01:18:36.359
sharing what you've experienced over the years. I greatly appreciate it.

1469
01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:41.119
That problem. I feel a lot better, you know, getting

1470
01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:41.760
it off my chest.