In Memoriam of Scot Violette (and Call-In Encounters)

0:00 You're listening to Bigflea Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails in remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. Today we're doing a special episode in memoriam for mister Scott Violet, who passed away suddenly very recently. This episode was recorded back episode seven point fifteen.

0:52 I never got to meet Scott in person in real life, but I was able to talk with him as I've talked to many others over the internet. Scott was a guy that I learned a ton from just in the hour we're able to talk together. My opinion, he had years left of research that could have happened, and he's gone far too soon, and it was a real tragedy. Scott. This one's for you. I'll also have the link to his wife, Hannah's GoFundMe that is currently active, and if you can donate to that please as it helps her get back on her feet. If you can donate anything, I know that she would greatly appreciate it and Scott would greatly appreciate it as well. But thank you again for listening, and again this episode is in remembrance of Scott Violet. You've got the privilege of talking to mister Scott Violet today. You may know him from the groups Squatch America. I'm gonna read a few things about Scott he was nice enough to provide here. He's a Native American cultural anthropologist and the founder of Squatch America, which is a national Bigfoot research group. He's a Desert Storm Army veteran and travels the US full time in RV with his wife Hannah, investigating cryptic sightings and exploring Native American rock art related to bigfoot lore. And of course

2:23 they have their YouTube channel, which we'll probably talk about later, and it's a mix of science, history and hands on research. Welcome to the show, Scott. How's it going, sir, It's going great, and thanks for having me absolutely. I do like to start out when I have interviews with individuals such as yourself that are really have been into it for a while. I always like to know what was it that first got you into the Sasquatch community. It goes back quite a way as Actually, I was actually born in Eastern and I grew up in the Blue Mountains, which is heavily trafficked to buy bigfoot and Bigfoot enthusiasts. I don't know if people are familiar with the Freeman film from the early nineties. I grew up fifteen miles from where that film was taken. Bigfoot folklore was pretty common in the area I grew up in I but as a teenager I really didn't paid too much attention to it.

3:22 I thought, oh, that's cool Bill. But later on in life, after I became a Native American culture anthropologist and started working with tribes all over the nation, I started to notice the common theme. Every tribe of the nation has a name for these things, and they all have legends and stories and history, and particularly my expertise in Native American culture is pictographs. I learned how to read them all four different languages, all of them, and when I started finding stories about Bigfoot on rocks that are hundreds of years old. That started to peak my entry a little bit. So after I retired, I thought, you know what, I'm gonna look into this Bigfoot legend a little bit closer. And as I started looking into it, and I've set up a Facebook page to try to get stories from people locally.

4:15 As soon as I did that, I got hundreds and hundreds. Of stories from people in the area, and I'm like, wow, there's a lot more to this than I originally thought. And then I started delving in and I got hooked. So I've been there ever since. That's awesome, and this whole subject it does not I don't think it takes much to hook you. If it it gets you just right, you're in it for the long haul. So you made a local group in the that was local to the Blue Mountain area. You were saying, yeah, wow, yes it did. You've got hundreds that you must have gotten some really wild stuff from that area. Oh yeah, And we still do today. We still get people telling us stories and finding things. It's amazing.

4:59 So do you I think that area is definitely a active hot spot in the Blue Mountains current day? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, we find footprints in that area almost every year. What a lot of people don't realize about the Blue Mountains of eastern Oregon. It has what is it, twenty six thousand square miles of forest that nobody lives in. That's a plus. But the upper end of the Blue Mountain Range runs into Idaho and into Montana and connects with the Rocky Mountains, and then the southern part goes south through the Ochico Mountains and connects with the Cascades, which goes south into northern California and then into the Sierras.

5:47 It's a natural corridor between the two mountain ranges. So I think if they do migrate or move from time to time, this is the corridor they take. We're basically a hallway to get from the Rockies through the Cascades, and so there is a lot of activity there and I think as they move is where we're finding bigfoot in that area all the time. That actually, that just opened my mind to a way I have not looked at the map before. And yeah, no, it totally could. Yeah, it's a corridor from the Rockies. That's amazing. How does one become a Native American cultural anthropologist.

6:31 Lots of college and bills, student loans, let's count student loans basically what I originally went into college and I had first I had a career in the military, and then when I got out, I used my GI bill to pay for it, so that helped a lot. But what got me interested in it is I had originally had went into college just to go into anthropology in general, and I didn't really have a direction in anthropology. It's a huge field and there's a lot of directions you can go in it. But luckily the college I went to, the professor there was really into the Native American side of things, and our college actually had an archaeological day on a Native American village that was two hundred years old that we were sifting through, and it was part of our project every year to go work on this.

7:28 And when I started seeing the pictographs and stuff in the area, I thought, Wow, that was really cool. I really love the depictions. Plus my professor was also into Egyptian folklore, so we actually had a whole course we had to do on Egyptian pictographs and stories. In fact, at the end of the year, one of our finals was you have to write all you have to do is write your name on a piece of paper and turn it in and if I can read your name in Egyptian hieroglyphics, you pass. So we actually had to learn that detail of the Egyptian language. So when I started comparing that to the Native American language unlocks, I started discovering that, oh, this is easy to read, and I thought it was a lot of the Native American pictographs are basically directions, go up this mountain, there's deer, the rivers to the south, stuff like that. And when I started reading notes, I'm like, oh, this is really cool.

8:32 So I said, I want to learn this language. So that's what I got into it to get your degree, to start taking classes, I guess i'd have to say, and then you'll find the direction in anthropology you'll like to go. Has there been an example of a pictograph that you've been able to see over the years that you feel is just a really good example of a Sasquatch pictograph. Yeah, I've got three of them actually that I've found over the years, well four technically, but one of them is a secret deal and the tribe doesn't want it to be revealed. So I don't talk about that one too much, But there's the famous one that was originally found years ago in California and Porterville. There's a life size a foot tall pictograph of a bigfoot family and it tells a story. And what's really interesting about that one is a lot of people have talked about that pictograph for a long time. But when I started looking at it, I noticed something I don't think anybody else had noticed. And there's two symbols on the bottom of the pictograph. There's like a story of a hunting party, a hunting animals deer near a spring, and they found footprints near the spring, and they had an encounter with a bigfoot family, a mother, father, and baby.

9:57 But down at the. Bottom of it, I said, the hunting party and had the symbols of an ancient weapon called an at level. And those at Littl symbols are very interesting because the tribe in that area have actually stopped using or transition to using bows from at laddls are like a spear chucking device, and they had transition to using bows almost twenty five hundred to three thousand years ago. So if this picturegraph still had at levels on it, that dates it a little bit, so I can say that's possibly twenty five hundred to three thousand years old picture of a bigfoot. It's probably the first one we've ever seen.

10:43 And then I found two more with the exact same symbols on it. And the symbol for a bigfoot is a creature with short legs, long body, long arms, but the arms are always you see it like out from the shoulders with the arms down from the elbows, and that is to symbolize the size of this thing and saying it's big. It's like this, why it's huge. And then they never have a neck and it's in the head, you know, it. Surroundish on top. But there's always a kind of a v from the head which shows there's no neck and which looks like what bigfoot would look like to people today. They have a longer torso than we do, the long arms, the huge bodies. So this depiction showing short legs and long arms is telling you that it's not the same proportion as a human. So I have found three of them.

11:39 There's two an organ that I have found and two in California, the one I can't talk abouts in California. The three main one three main ones are two an organ in one California. So I want to clarify something. When you say the Porterville pictographs, is that the same one as the Tuley River graphs? That's it? Okay, yeah, near the town. So you have actually I didn't even think of that possibility. So you've actually found pictographs of Sasquatch yourself in your exploration. Yeah. Two. Oh my goodness. I have a lot of people walk by picture graphs and petroglyphs not even noticing that they're there. A lot of times, like loss on the rocks will cover them up and things. But if you know what to look for, and I've been doing this for quite a few years, I start noticing them almost immediately want to walk into places.

12:29 And yeah, there's one in the Blue Mountains of eastern Oregon, by the way, that it has three symbols on it. One of them is the bigfoot symbol, one of them's a stickman symbol. And the stickman symbol, I might add, is on the same one as the Tuley River one. They have stick men on it too. The stick man is a Native American danger symbol. Basically, they don't even talk about them. If this is on a picture graph that means danger. So it's got a bigfoot, it's got a picture graph of a stick man, and it has a picture graph of a circle with a line going into the top of the circle and coming at the bottom of the circle, but not. Through the circle. And what that is a directional symbol from Native American footglory.

13:14 It's the It means go up the trail, go round the valley, because it's right there pointing out a valley, go around the valley, don't go through the valley. Danger bigfoot basically is what that story says. This is absolutely fascinating. I think most people are probably familiar with the Tuley River one, but I never thought of the possibility that there could be other forms of these same pictographs found in different areas. You're saying the Blue Mountains of Oregon than another area in Oregon, some unnamed areas in California. California. Yeah, yeah, is the second Oregon. Is that in a similar geographic part of Oregon or completely different in geographic area.

14:01 It's in the southern part of the Blue Mountains, down in the Ochiko Mountains where it's a little more desert d there's still a Mountain Range, but it's more in the bad lands of Oregon is the one we found there which has it's got a thousand symbols on this one rock and it's basically telling a story. But what's really cool about that one is really caught my eye and I thought, this is the coolest part of this whole pictograph is it has two rivers that come together and it has two symbols of two different bears on there in different locations on the rivers. And then what it does is on one side it has a large depiction of a bear claw a footprint of a bear.

14:52 It has that symbol there, and then next to it it has a symbol of a big foot track, so it's really points out the difference we know, the difference between the bear print and the big footprint. And then on the other river it has a depiction of has the typical symbol of the bigfoot along river with deer there, so they saw bigfoot hunting deer by this river. The other river on the other side of the fork is where there are a lot of bears. So beware, it's really interesting the story that one tells. Wow, this is absolutely blowing my mind right now. Home. Man, Are there even more instances of pictographs that have been found in Oregon as well that would contain sasquatch pictographs in them.

15:41 Not that I know of. There's been some stuff like there's a bigfoot face that was carved on a rock that was found near the Columbia River, but that's the only other one that I know of. I'm sure there's probably many out there, but they're probably hidden in the woods somewhere and nobody's just run across them yet. Wow, man, Fields, do you have pictures of what you found? Are these available on your website or YouTube channel at all? Or yeah, they're on our website and Squatchamerica dot com. Okay, we'll definitely have that linked in the show notes. Field. I'm probably just extremely late to this party, is what it comes down to. But because I'm like, this is a really big deal, Scott, Scott's I have known about this for a while. Yeah, this is cool. I love this.

16:27 Did this stuff gets me jazzed up? And oh yeah, okay, so let's how about this. Is there a catalyst event in your life that happened that really kicked things off? It's like, all right, now I'm going to take an RV around the US with my wife, and really, is there something that happened to you that really got you on board with all this? Absolutely there is I had mentioned. I started that Facebook page and started getting stories from people, and up until that point, I was probably after studying print casts, some of the famous ones from the past, and some footprints that I had found, after studying those and noticing the morphology in it, because when you go through anthropology school, you know you have to literally take a human body skeleton that's in a box and put it together and name every bone in it, so you get to learn how humans are made and how the history of human development and all that things. So looking into all this stuff, I was like, probably ninety five percent sure these things existed.

17:38 I always had a little bit of doubt in the back of my head until June of twenty eighteen. What had happened was we got five reports from five people that didn't know each other in the same area in the same week, and I'm like, that's where I need to be. So I was going out there. I had been out there for two days in a row and I was going out for the third day. And funnything happened on the way to big footing. Now that was my wife's one of her friends, her dad was having a birthday and his birthday wish was a big footing because he'd never done it before. So they contacted me and said, hey, can you take this guy out big footing with you tonight? And then I'm like, it's his birthday, and I'm sure, no problem. I'd never met the guy before the day of that day, so he hopped in.

18:28 The truck with me. We drove up in the mountains and we went hiking down this trail that I had checked out the prior two days because that's where all these reports were coming from. And hiking along the trail, I smelt the worst smell I've ever smelt in my life. And I'm like, I've heard this described, but I've never experienced myself. A wet dog, garbage and onions and skunk altogether. It's a really bad, pungent smell. So we stopped and I'm like, oh, my gosh, that coming from and We're looking around in circles in the woods trying to figure out where this is coming from. So I probably did the dumbest thing on the planet is because I was new to it back in the day, so I just went, ah, I growled off in the woods, and it mimicked me exactly. And that's when I saw this little head two hundred feet down the hill from me, and this little tiny opening in the tree limbs swaying side by side, and they're like, oh my gosh, that's a big foot. And I got my camera up. I got one blurry picture of it, because that's the way it works. And then we heard a whistle off to our left and it ducked into the woods and vanished.

19:44 So I spent three days there. We went down to where it was at and I found footprints where it was standing. I found nine inch footprints and sixteen inch footprints, and then so I did all my archaeological stuff. I set my camera up on a tripod where I was holding it almost exactly and tried to get the exact spot shot a laser down through the trees. Figured out where it was standing from the footprints and where the laser hit. The nine inch footprints was six foot tall, but the sixteen inch footprints behind it. I thought there was another one that I didn't see until I went back and we got until later on, even a couple of years later, I got somebody who had the technology to really enhance the photo I had, and there was another face behind it, the adult.

20:40 I can't tell you how tall that was because it was bent over looking up at us. So that's when I had a Native American. I told this story to a Native American elder and he said, that's when Bigfoot stole your soul. Like, yeah, that's probably the case. So that's that was the pivotal moment when we. Decided to sell our house by an RV. Hit the road. And up until then I had this little group called Blue Mountain Bigfoot Research, and we turned it into Squatch America and hit the road nationally and started following up on these stories ever since. Wow, that is fascinating. What do you think the phrase Bigfoot stole your soul means? How do you take that?

21:28 There's two different ways to take it, and any of the American culture is one spiritually, like Bigfoot literally took my soul that day, and that's why I'm looking for him to get it back. That's been you know, I like to lean towards that one. I need my soul back Bigfoot. I got to find you again. But another one is you just become obsessed with this to the point where you're going to give up everything and do it. So, yeah, that's probably one of the or the two meanings that I can probably take from that. It's extremely trusting. Is it possible to give a roundabout area? And this is something we talked about beforehand, But the area where this sighting took place or is it an area where give a nebulous region or.

22:14 Oh no, I can tell you where it's at. It's if you go to the Blue Mountains. There's a little town in eastern Oregon called Baker City, Oregon. And behind Baker City, Oregon, there's a road that goes out of town. It's called Pocahontas Road, and it goes up to this place called Marble Creek. And this is that's where I had my siding. Now that's Marble Creek. Road goes over top of the Blue Mountains, over the mountain on to the other side of the hill where this little town called Sumter is now. This area here is it's called the Alps of Oregon. The highest peak is ten thousand feet. It's not an easy drive. You gotta have a four wheel drive to get up over this mountain. So it's about halfway up on the Baker City side of the mountain. It's where I had my siding.

23:00 But it was also in a watershed area where you're not supposed to be, same as the Freeman film back in the nineties was in the watershed area where people weren't supposed to be. I was walking the edge of it. I was legal, so I wasn't in the watershed area, but so this area, and it was about five thousand feet. So one of the interesting things I found over the years when we're getting reports a big foot, especially in the Blue Mountains and in the Cascades. Also, as most of the sightings are over five thousand feet, that must be a line they draw they live above that, probably because not many people go above that. Yeah, so that's where it's at. It's in eastern Oregon, in the Alps of Oregon, outside of Baker City.

23:47 Remembering what you saw that day, would you describe it as something that was more ape like in facial features, or maybe more human like or something completely different. I totally would lean toward more human. It looked more like a person than it did an ape, having you know my background, I can let's go into what I think these are. This is my working theory. Granted is a theory, but from what I saw, if I had to picture what the skull looked like underneath the skin, because I've seen lots of humanoid creature's skulls over the years, I would lean toward this is human. And I'll tell you why. I a second, this is human. It's just an older version of us that hasn't been extinct. And this is why. And there's not this missing link that everybody says they're looking for. If we go back into human history, it wasn't one thing turning into the other, turning into the other turning the other. That's not how it worked, and we know that through DNA even today.

25:01 That really emphasized this theory that say humans started somewhere, there's always been a human and no, we did not evolve from apes. In fact, there's a theory today that maybe apes evolved from us, not the other way around. But there was always a human back in history somewhere that started and they adapted. So if you think about a group. Of humans in Africa three million years ago, as their population grew the area that lived in couldn't sustain them. So this group moved over here, and then they moved again, and then they moved again over millions of years. By the time they got into Europe, their bodies have changed because they're in a different type of forest, different climate.

25:48 They had to adapt, so their bodies changed over thousands of years. But they're the same people that started in Africa if you look at it that way, they just look different. So at any given time in human history, there's been five to six types of humans that lived together at the same time. We're Homo sapiens. But did you know we overlapped Homo sapiens with Homo florenciences, which is actually newer than us, Homo Heidelbergensis, Homo erectus home in the Delhi, and hom Neanderthal. There's six that overlapped with us that were still alive while we were alive.

26:32 And here's a big schocker. Did you know that Neanderthals are still alive. That I did? I know they've been able to find individual Well, this is what I've heard, individuals with pieces of Neanderthal DNA. I think that's real. Yeah, yeah, that is absolutely real. Okay, that is absolutely real. So Neanderthals came from France, and they came from the Acadian region of France, so they didn't go extinct. The French people bred them out. They're actually we're talking back in the Paleo time. But they are us. They were in US. So if you're French and you're from the Acadian region of France, which I am, actually five percent of my DNA is Nanatal. And if you want to know Acadians when they migrated to the United States in the sixteen hundreds, and they're the French people speaking people in Maine, in Nova Scotia and Canada, and then some of them migrated around the horn in Landon in Louisiana and the word Akkadian got changed to Cajun. So if you wonder why Cadans are a little off, is because they're park Caveman.

27:50 I'm Acadian French. My dad is full blooded. I'm half Acadian French Cajun. So we bred them out. So there's no life. So why is today any different than it has been for the last three or four hundred thousand years. We've always lived together with another type of human, another adaptation of us. So I hased today any different. I believe that these things are us. They are a human, an older version or maybe even a newer version. It could be that too, but I'd lean towards an older version of us that hasn't had to change or adapt because they're find the way they are and have been that way for thousands of years.

28:33 Okay, so this is very interesting. I'm going to go down this road with you. So it's fascinating. So in that case, then, so let's say you get these reports of things like infrasound and really interesting things. Is that saying then that maybe we forgot how to do these things. Or we lost it over the years. Yeah, so here's something very interesting. We get the end of the in for sound and the whistles and stuff. I have recorded whistles, I've got recorded whoops that I have recorded. And one of the really cool things I did is I took a little bit different path.

29:16 My wife has. Her degrees in music, and she was a choir teacher and a vocalist and a voice coach, and her college professor same but with a doctorate, is into choir and singing and stuff. And I played these whipping sounds for him and he about fell out of the seat. He goes, oh my gosh, I hear something that you probably don't because you don't do this every day. He goes, these sounds are in five octaves, and humans can only do three. I'm like, okay, So we threw it in a spectrograph, took a look at it. Yes, they are in five octaves.

29:57 What that means is they have one more fold in their vocal cords than we do. We have two, they have three, and so they have a higher and lower range of sounds they can make. Okay, And I was talking to the college. So when I was talking to the college professor about this, he goes, in humans, some people are still born with those but typically we lost them over the years when we started becoming civilized and didn't need to make those sounds anymore. So humans did at one time have the three vocal folds, so we have lost them. Because we don't need them anymore. We don't need our appendix anymore over the years, when we started to become civilized and started doing agriculture and not you know, hunting and gathering anymore.

30:46 I wonder if this almost explains how sometimes you have witnesses that say it sounded like it was this and this at the same time. Exactly. Oh man, this is blowing my mind. This is awesome, dude. Wow wow. I can't remember where, but I have heard someone else mentioned the double fold. You said double fold in the vocal cords, right, Yeah, they have threefold three three, so trifold. Wow, that's wild man. I'm gonna be thinking about that for a while.

31:28 So that just add to that a little bit. That's why I don't go in the woods and whoop at night, because they know we're they know we're human. We can't reach the octaves they do. They're like, oh that's a person. Oh that's even crazier, dude. So yeah, like what so using that theory when we do whoops, we are it's even more of a giveaway than using thods probably very similar. Yeah we're here. Oh that's crazy. Unless you're playing in actual cording of a bigfoot, then you can away with it. That's it. Yep. So how does how do the reports of infrasound play into this theory?

32:12 Then? I think they do have infrasound because they have the ability to do it. I mean, they're not the only creatures on the planet that does that elephants, lions, tigers, there's a whole plethora of animals that have this ability. They use it. As a I don't know allow us to put it as a weapon, because the reason tigers can do it or use it is that if you can growl so low that what you're growling at can't hear it, but they feel it they can. It actually shakes them to the core. You can put an animal into fight or flight and or shock. So if you put something into a shock, it's not it's going to be stuck for a moment. That gives me time to grab it. That's why tigers do it. It'll put their prey in kind of a shock mount where it just stands there and doesn't know what to do, and that gives the tiger more time and ability to jump on it. It may be a leftover just hunting tactic that they use.

33:21 Have you ever experienced that yourself? Me personally, No, not that I can recall. No, I don't know. If I've. Felt kind of eerie times in the woods, that could possibly be it. But I can't clear that because I just recently got a recorder that it records infrasound, so we can see if I start feeling weird in the woods, I can record it and see it. Yeah, is there infrasound happening now? But personally no, I can't say I have had an instance that did that. Now. I've had screams at night that are so loud and terrifying that it made the kyotes shut up, so that's a different thing. But no, I haven't had the infrasound that I can recall.

34:05 What's that in the Blue Mountains that you experienced that? Absolutely? Okay, Wow, I've experienced that out in Lane County near Oakridge, where it was like a scream slash roar thing. It really freaked me out. Dude. Yeah, that's weird. I'd love to hear it again though, but it was freaky as I'll get out three o'clock in the afternoon. Yeah, that area is weird. So walk me through. When you are driving around the US and your RV with your wife for Squatch America, what is your mission when you're I'm assuming you're going probably to different towns maybe you have You're going to different hotspots, so I guess I really don't know, but yeah.

34:53 We tend to go to where there's like different hotspots across the United States. But the thing about what we do is a little bit different. My truck has our logo all over side of it and it says Bigfoot Research Team, and it's really audacious and stands out. And there's a reason I do that is because we can't stop at a gas station without getting a Bigfoot report from somebody is at the gas station gasing up, or go to the grocery store. We'll come out of the grocery store there'll be two people standing next to our truck ready to tell us their big Foot stories. So that's what we use when we go into different areas. We belong to this like campground system thing that we bought into. It's called one thousand Trails and they have two hundred campgrounds across the United States.

35:38 So we can stay three weeks at a time at each one of these and that's what we do. We go park the trailer, spend the first week getting Bigfoot reports from people around the area, and then we spend the next couple of weeks. Our truck also has a tent on the top. It's an overlander, so we will leave the camp. We'll leave the trailer and the campground, and then we'll just go off into the woods and spend two or three days at a time following up on the reports we get in the area. That's awesome. What is the craziest. Let's say you're just driving to an area and you just all of a sudden, you find yourself in the middle of this like Bigfoot mystery. There's tons of reports and you're like, wow, things are just clicking. Have you ever experienced anything like that in a certain area.

36:26 Oh yeah, yeah, we've run across in a couple different times. Crazy enough, it's where we're out right now. We tend to follow up on Bigfoot reports in Texas in the winter time because it's nice here. Seventy two today. Growing up in eastern Oregon, I'm done with winter. But so we had that happened to us down here. We stopped this little area outside of a place called Whitney, Texas, and I wouldn't I didn't think that would be There was some Bigfoot reports, like on the Bigfoot Mapping Project and BBFRO site in that area. But when we got there, oh my gosh, as soon as the community knew we were there, I meant the guy from the newspaper called US asked us to come down to a story they posted in a newspaper. We got tons of report from this one area, and so they we went to this campground there there's a bleep or not. It's kind of weird.

37:26 Texas doesn't have a lot of national forces. Everything here is like almost private. But we did happen to find a guy who said, yeah, come camp on my land. I've got to see big Foot all the time. And so I went and camped on this guy's ranch. But it's thousands of acres and lo and behold, we found footprints down by the creek. It's kind of weird. So that was one that really stood out. And another one is close if you're in the cascades there. There's another time we went camping near Crater Lake and we had fire cruise stopped when they saw the truck stop. Hey, we heard this last night. We had another guy saying, oh, yeah, I hear them Ember night. Go up this road, which led us into something we've been actively doing for four years now. I try to spend part of my summer up there. Is that we found a spot. Now, this one, I'm not going to give you quite details but if you know where Diamond Lake is, it's in that area.

38:27 There's a road. I'll even give you the road. It's called Oh my gosh, it just went out of my head. Oh my gosh. Anyway, maybe I'm not supposed to tell you that, but there you Yeah, when to go past, that's what it's called. When pass, Yeah, I believe it or not. Yeah. So in this. Area four years ago after everybody's talking about this, so we found this little pond. I'm not going to tell you where this is a but we hiked up to the zafon and the only way into is hiking, and we found three sets of footprints. We found thirteen inch prints, nine inch prints and six inch prints. And it's something I'm really going to when I do when I speak at a lot of big foot vestils, and it's one of the things we talk about vessels. But so that was four years ago and we go back to the same area every year. We found tree structures. We've had a long distance sighting of one up on top of the mountain. We since then have found twenty one inch print.

39:38 So we've got mom, dad and two kids, and we found our little guy again. Last year we found his footprints near a different pond up there, and he's went from his six inch prints two ten inch prints in four years. And we've been doing some also, some off the cuff things. We've been putting out puzzles in the woods for them, little stacked rocks like in a pyramid, or we'll actually use those those kids toys with the little round doughnutlook things and you stack them up on the stick and they form a pyramid. We put those in the woods. That's actually a cognitive test, by the way. So we've been putting those out in the woods and sacking the rocks up and they have been playing with them.

40:22 They've been re arranging them in a way that it's intelligentally done. It's not just you're knocking it over whatever. So after we did that for a couple of years and we went back into that area, we started finding rocks put on logs for us and arranged five hundred pound rocks that we couldn't rearrange. So I don't know if they're playing with we're teaching them. I don't know what's going on with that, but that's an area that we've been It's been a hot spot for us for four years now and it's one of our major research. Areas scott Oddly, so this show gets some weird electrical stuff and sometimes the voice modulation it almost sounds and right when you start talking about moving huge rocks and stuff, it's every time I'm like, I don't even I don't know if this is the government or it's Bigfoot messing with my stuff. Oh it's wild, but that's not surprising at all. I take a lot of reports from north to fifty eight in that area, like going west over to Oakridge and Dexter, and that whole area is just bonkers.

41:36 The word windigo in Native American terms is a bad thing that's not a good thing. That's pretty interesting. It's interesting that I've interviewed like seventy five tribes and I got the names for these things. And it's weird that half the tribes is almost a fifty to fifty split. Half the tribes call them like benevolent brother, Harryman the other people stuff like that, but the other half call them like wind to go or monsters, killers, cannibals. So I think there's there's good Bigfoot and there's bad Bigfoot. Like they're good people and there's bad people. Have you found tribes where they call them both or it seems to be a one or the other type thing.

42:17 It seems to be a one or the other type thing. And it's primarily the southern tribes are the ones that have the bad words for them. Oh, the one like in New Mexico and in Texas. Here in Louisiana and down in Florida, their names for them tend to be. I'm wonder if the Southern Bigfoot are just meanor I don't know. Going by the reports that I hear, I don't know. I feel like it might be a little bit more aggressive down there. But that's a discussion in itself. Do you ever go out in the Midwest, like Iowa, Nebraska that part of the country at all.

43:01 Yeah. Actually, there's the Omaha tribe in Nebraska is they have they have a really interesting relationship with the Bigfoot there and in fact, they look look to Bigfoot in that area as almost a shaman. And it's interesting. The tribal elders and like the medicine woman tells stories that they will take whatever plants that are ripening in whatever season, they'll take those and they'll go into the woods and they'll lay them out on a rock and then they'll wait a few days, they'll go back and then something will have removed some of them from the rock and left someone there and that's the stuff that works good for the medicines they need during that season.

43:49 Well, that's that's really interesting. And that's north of Omaha, like where it's referred to as Satanga. Is that the same area? Yeah? Absolutely gotcha. Yep. Have you ever gotten anything directly from Iowa? I haven't. Okay, we haven't spent a lot of time there either, so. We don't have a lot going on. We have a little bit of weird stuff, but not a lot. So that's I can understand why you wouldn't. I have seen in the past where you guys will do bigfoot town halls. Is that right? Yes, we do and do that as often as we can, where we get into an area and we can hook up with somebody to set up a place and time and all that stuff. But yeah, we do that quite often, and that's where we're getting a lot of insight and reports from people in the areas that we're going to be in.

44:38 Can you take a few minutes to talk about what it takes to set up a Bigfoot town hall or any advice that you have towards that. Actually, it's a lot easier than I had originally thought it would be. I said, we need you need a little time to advertise it, and we try to set it. Like said, we can spend three weeks in places, and so what we try to do is get it set up immediately when we get somewhere, or if we can set it up a month or two ahead to get an idea. But basically we just find places like that have meeting rooms. A lot of times there are bars, pizza parlors, place like that to have these rooms in the back for meetings and things, and we'll you know, rent the space or whatever to do that, and then we'll try to advertise it in the local newspapers, on the local Facebook pages and things like that, let people know that we're going to be there, and then if we can, we'll stick up a banner on the building if they let us saying when it's going to happen.

45:43 And we've had crazy results. It's a hit and miss I can say that, but we've had one time we were we set up one in a little town called Cave Junction organ and we were expecting maybe sixty seventy people to show up. We had two hundred and eighty show up. Its crazy. And then. Yeah, the pizza, butther ran out of pizza that night. They were really thinking us that it's really not a lot to it. And then but the most important thing, and the hard thing to do is once you have the meetings is to get people to document stuff. We'll have a map of the area we'll throw up on a table up front, and when people tell us their stories, we ask them if they can come up and market on the map, which really helps us a lot.

46:27 And then recording it. We set up a video recorder and some audio recorders so we can get some good audio because I have when I first started doing these, I totally spaced that part and I thought they'll come in, they'll fill out the sheet for me. They won't, you know, but if I can get them on video, I can remember the stories that way. Okay, So that I think is a really I think that, yeah, that's a very good piece of advice there, because I found that with when I did a festival in Oakridge in July, it was overwhelming. I talked to people about their encounters for probably twenty four hours in three days.

47:15 It was nuts. I loved it. But it's you're writing stuff down on a map. But then if I had been able to have people record their story, yeah, that would have been very effective. Are these just for your personal archives? I would imagine then. Yeah. We we have a database that we put stuff in that helps us to track these things. One of the interesting things about the information we get from it, and one of the things I use it for is if you got I always try to get dates in at least months. That's the important thing because after doing this, we're on our fifth or sixth year doing this full time is I put a lot of pins and maps, but if you got the dates on the me I've noticed that, hey, this area is hot in March every three years, this area is hot in June every other year.

48:10 And that kind of gives me something to go on. If we're going to go researching area, I want to make sure it's when they're there. That's interesting. You could almost figure out like migration times and stuff. Yep. Wow, yeah, I'm still not sure about the migration thing. I think they they stay within almost like a two hundred mile area. I think they basically rotate crops. They're in like this part of it for one year, and then next year they'll be over here, and then next year they'll be over there, and then they'll come back to this three years later. Do you have any criteria that needs to be met in order for you to focus on a certain area, spend three weeks there and try to set up a town hall.

49:01 Yeah. One of them is mostly if it's going to be in an area that there is like past activity. I can look on the BFRO site. I'm not going to go to counties that never had a bigfoot report ever, like down in the deserts in Arizona. There's not a lot of activity there. So that's the places we don't go. But I like to go to. Doctor Jeff Meldrim has a theory that there's three big foot and a twenty square miles of black bear habitat, so I kind of lean on that a little bit. So any areas that have black bearris are generally bigfoot areas the same habitat, So we tend to try to lean towards staying in areas that there are black bears.

49:46 That makes a ton of sense. Out of the two hundred and so people that showed up at Cave Junction, how many or what's the percentage would you say of people there actually had an encounter to report? Oh gosh, I would say at least half of them, and probably I would say I would delete about twenty percent of those because some of them are like barely outland. So I look for things that have commonality and bigfoot reports, like the smell that the hair, the way the face looked. Are there things though that you'll hear in a witness report that'll make you be like, I like what I'm hearing right now? Yeah, absolutely, Like I said before, some of the commonalities.

50:29 But the other ones it's kind of really weird. Is watch their face in their arms there. If they start getting goosebumps and their hair stands up a little bit and they start a little shaking in their voice, they had seen something that changes their life and it still affects them today. So those ones I really take a close attention to. How this is something that I'm trying to work through myself when I talk to people face to face, Like you're talking about how do you handle Sometimes when you talk to a witness, they can get back into that emotional state and it can really affect them, and it's like, how long do I want this person to be back in that state for I've experienced a few and I was really taken back by it. This is way different than talking to someone over her phone.

51:20 Yeah, that's an interesting question, and I'm not really good at it. But luckily my wife is a license psychologist. So well there you go, man. Yeah, and she's really good at forensic interviewing and things like that, so when they start getting really shaky and she takes over for me and she kind of knows the limits. I don't want to put somebody through PTSD from doing this, but it helps to reassure them that you're here for them and that they're safe now and stuff like that. Scott, it's been such a fascinating in conversation with you.

52:01 I do have one another question for you here at the end. Okay, Well, let's say there's an individual and they're like, man, I really want to get out there and have a Bigfoot experience. Do you have things that you recommend people maybe to lean towards if they're going to go out and try to have and experience themselves or. Yeah one, do your research. One of the biggest best tools that came out recently is the Bigfoot Mapping Project. It's an app you can download, look on that and find the area that you want to go to has sightings. And secondly, look at the months.

52:44 I don't care if it happened twenty years ago or last month. Look at the months and that's where you want to go. And one of the other things that has worked extremely well for us is to go camping. I don't go knock on trees, I go whooping in the woods at night. We just go camping and make a spectacle of yourself. You're not going to hunt down a bigfoot. You're not going to chase it down in the woods. Cameo don't work. But if you get them curious enough to come see you. If they're curious, they want to check out the funny looking human people. So that's one of the things I do. I just go camping.

53:27 That's great advice. I just remembered one that I forgot. I apologize this is for the last one. How do you record infra sound? There's actually recorders that will record it really. In fact, there's even an app you can get for your phone an infrasound recorder. The microphones will pick it up. Your ears won't, but it'll show you on a spectrograph. You can even download the app. It works fine. It'll show you on a spectrograph the infosound that you're not hearing. Okay. So it's easy, is that? Just to start googling on looking on Amazon infrasound recorder, look at that apps and you'll they're out there. Okay, that's cool. That's cool, all right, Scott, Thank you so much for taking some time out of your day to share what you've experienced over the years and maybe listeners keep an eye out for their truck. You never know when you'll see them.

54:18 But thank you so much for coming on the show. Do you mind taking a few minutes reminding listeners how they can keep up to date best with what you're doing. Okay. One of the best things is follow us on YouTube and we do three videos a week and that helps us out too with the views. So that's one of the ways we support this. So if you and check out Squatch America on YouTube. We also have a Squatch America Facebook page and we're also on x so if you want to get a hold of us. You can go to our website and Squatchamerica dot com and there's a contact form and there's also a bigfoot report form, or you can just email us at squatch America at gmail dot com. That's fantastic. So everyone head over to their YouTube account, subscribe and then let him know that you came from over here. Scott, thank you so much for coming on the show.

55:05 All right, thank you, Jeremy. Sean's wanted to come up. Let's talk to Sean. Listen. I was on a patrol as a police officer and it was a rural area and I got to complain that there was some kind of noise in the background of these people's places. And I get there, shine the light around, didn't see anything.

55:47 Out of the ordinary. So I decided to take the back road that goes behind that place. And they say, when I've seen it around the corner, it. Was tall, and for me it looked blackish. But it was I would say it be brown, about eight and a half feet tall, figure crossing the road. Yeah. I never told anyone on this on the forest and everything. They'll think I'm seeing stuff, But this is up in the Poconos.

56:30 In Pennsylvania. Oh yeah, definitely. Do you ever get on here of a lot of slavings there? Let me look at my map real quick. I do have one individual back in two thousand and two, his mother and mother in law reported seeing what looked like a large, hairy figure in the woods near their home that looked like a big gorilla. It just makes sense not to cut you off, but it was in two thousand one when I was working. Oh wow, wow, So that happened in two thousand and. One, yeah, and I would say it was around fall time.

57:11 It's so hard perspective when the woods are dark, and usually when you shine the lights on the green trees, it's one thing, but you're signing your lighting on the brown cheese. The forest just looks totally different. Have you heard of other people having sightings like that in the same area. We had about I think it was about maybe about five coup points. Really yeah, that people heard this bruckus in the backyard and everything. I don't know. There was one time that trash cans were touched, but I never thought to go around again and start looking for footprints. Someone said, what was it bear at one one of our complaints, and there was broken branches in the backyard, like with the pines hang down, they were pushed the way out and snapped. Other than that, I can't recall anything else.

58:15 This is this is about in two thousand and one. I'm talking about. Oh yeah, it's a long time ago. Yeah. So when you guys would get those complaints at the police station, what would you guys just crush them off? Or what would you guys usually do? Would be a report that we put a non reportable okay, where it's just kept inside the station. Oh okay. A reportable stuff would be like a crying to happen or a car accident or something like that where you're reporting something to the state.

58:56 So this is this is all in house ie thing, and. That we were just because I served from ninety two to two thousand and two, and in the beginning we didn't have computers in. The cars or anything like that. I remember going on the computer as a floppy disk. I figured some of the data has been lost or I mean never you'd have to dig them out of the paperwork and everything, and absolutely, and guys wouldn't talk about this to each other. One guy did talk about it, and he saying what the complaint was and everything, but other than that.

59:37 And he did as a joke, but I took my sighting. Very seriously to myself, and I really did see something. Would you ever want to see what you saw that day? Again? Oh? Nice? Definitely? Yeah. Well I never I was that. I never asked that question, but oh well, of course became a believer right at that point in time. Absolutely, it's good to hear about another thing that happened in that area around around the same time. People want to listen to that episode. It's seven fifty five on my podcast, Bigfoot Society. But Sean, is this a conversation that I would be able to play on my Bigfoot podcast that I have?

1:00:31 Yeah? Sure, Bud, all right, thank you for coming up, sir. I appreciate you sharing what you experienced that day. Okay, thank you. Hi there, how's it going? What's going well? How's everything great? Are you coming up to share a Bigfoot story today? Yeah? I have, I have several, but nick joined together. Okay, yeah, I see one one one big experience. So I was going through this time when I was in my late teens. I was breaking up with a girlfriend, considering breaking up with her because things wasn't working out, and so I used to pray a lot and take walks in the National Park that was close to my home. And matter of fact, I used to take walks with my dog in the daytime. And one day I went down to a certain facility on the other side of the National Park and got hired with the state with the fits working with some type of treatment plant, some type of federal steam plant or something like that. So I had that job, and it was a pretty cool job. But I still was going through things with contemplating my life and college and different things. But I still used to get up and take walks. I got to the point where I would walk in early morning. I used to

1:02:02 start walking around six o'clock. It was still daylight, but it wasn't giving me the feeling I needed. It seemed like I needed something a lipit more. So I started walking a little bit earlier, like I wanted to catch the sun. Like on the end of my walk, I used to walk like forty five minutes through the National Park, make a round circle and come back out, go in two miles or so and come on back out. So I get up at four for four o'clock, four forty five sooner. Renner and I used to take walks, and I used to sing and pray to God, be saying my prayers and stuff like that, and walking and singing. And I used to have a lot of deer, a lot of deer and animals through that place. And I got to the point where I used to walk through the park and fog would land. They had a golf course on one section of it, where fark would be on the golf course, and I used to try to make that my last little sectional middle section of walking through.

1:03:00 I will walk through that part and come on back out. That would take me about twenty five minutes to walk on the backside of the golf course. And I used to walk on that place and deer used to be standing there. I would walk right through the deer. They wouldn't. I guess they got used to me walking there in the middle of the night, the middle of the night, four o'clock and they just stand there and I walk right past them. They just look at me like, Oh, okay, who is this? What is this day? I guess I was so at peace with myself because I'm harming, singing and not loud, just to myself, and I guess make my own songs up. And I used to hear this whistle and I thought it was like the male deer that was swhistling and the deers are here, They're not you know what I'm saying. So there used to be a ridge where you go down. You can come down off the golf course, the top nine or something like that, and you come down and the woods right was right there.

1:04:02 And when I heard this thing, something just went through the woods real fast, like I said, man, that's the biggest deer. I couldn't really see it, but I heard it. It was crashing through the trees. But the other deer at the plateau up there, they wouldn't move, and I was like, oh, I don't know what that is. I still used to walk through that place, but I started having these dreams, and the dreams were call inside. When I walked through, walked through this place, I see myself in a dream walking through the same place, but I could see what's in the woodline. I couldn't see what's in the woodline because I'm in an open plateau the golf course, and I see these it's almost like human lions.

1:04:45 They were like a pride, and they used to just stand there and look at me. It was like they were like someone would lounge like sideways like a man like you lay on the ground a picnic, and they would just sit there and lay there, and some would stand up. And every time I might walk through these places, I would have these streams again, start having these streams. And there came a time when I went through that one night and right on the other side they had a train track that was that would run through that place, some kind of way queens around to come back to those companies on the other side of the National Park over there, the Federal steam plant and water treatment whatever.

1:05:29 So these train used to deliver all types of chemicals and stuff like that. The black what they call it black gold. There's some type of attitude that you add to the water to make wastewater clean, and some type of coal that they used to produce with the black. The coal used to be grinded up to make the black goal. The black which called that goes in the potassium that goes into the wastewater treatment. So one particular night, as I was combing through there, I came over the plateau and looking down I could see on the other side of track. Train had stopped and six guys was out and they had their flashlight. I'm walking over here. They couldn't see me because I'm still in the dark.

1:06:11 But this huge animal they hit, the train had hit it and it was laying out there, and it didn't looked like a bear, because I was like, oh man, the train hit the bear. But the area of where I was working, where I was walking, didn't have bears, didn't have any even though some old man say, hey man, they got bears out here. Be When I got that job, which called I used to walk to work, even though I had two cars. I used to meditate and kind of walk to work and get up at the be at work at seven and leave at six and take me about forty minutes to walk through on the other side shortcut, not through the hole the National Park, just a section of it. And they seen me out there walking and to scared everybody, guys who are driving through it's no lights. After they see me walking on here at Matthew here, man, what man the heck you doing out here? They'll try to give me a ride. I said, no, man, I'm just meditating, just walking through there. Like, man, you picked a heck of a place to walk. I said, well, they're right over here on this side. They said, you got I said, I got two cars, got bike. Most like anybody, I just like to meditate and walk. So they said, tell me when I go to work, digressing, go to work. The old man used to see me.

1:07:15 He said, Man, I've been out here thirty thirty two years working at this place. Man, he said, I came in. I came in one of the mechanic shops. And he looked at me, and he said, I came in with some new young men and were all young. We about nineteen, some a little bit older than me. We come in by four of us, trying to get some parts put on a certain tractor or something like that. He said, hey you. I said, hey, how you doing, sir. He's like Matthews, he said he Matthew. I said, Yeah'm Matthews. He said, this guy's walking through the park in the middle of the bike. Man. You scared everybody. We're in cars and you walking like you have no time of your life. And I just said no, I just be meditating. Man, thinking about a lot of stuff. He said, he must be breaking up with a girl. I was like, oh, okay, that was part of yeah, I said. He said, yeah, we know people do strange things when they go on through the love thing. I said yeah. And so he said, hey man, you gotta be careful here. Manly were down on the south, but hey man, there's things out here that I can't really say. There's wolves, and I think there's bearers because they look like bears, you know, Like he said, have you say anything, I said, I hear stuff when I walk.

1:08:23 He says, no lights out there on three miles or that. That's that place that you're walking's no street lights, pitch black, not a light. The first your next light is when you get on the other side. I said no. I said, that's the best part because I get required and I can do my little meditation. I don't tell them all that, but I just told him. I said, yeah, I was real teaceful right there. So he said, you'd be careful now because you know some things are here that if you know, if Jesus, he tried to warn me. So, come to find out, going back to the railroad track, I'm looking at this thing from the plateau. I'm on top of the plateau. There looking down at these truck six guys with these flashlights, and this thing is stretched out, not like a bear. It's not around, it's it's longated, you know what I'm saying. It's pretty long, and it's long long's it's not like it's not the shape of a man. It's a little longer, maybe about eight feet long.

1:09:17 And I'm looking at it and I say, well, I don't want them to see me over here, because I don't supposed to be any's it's part of the section of the park. When the thing is closed, they got to look. They have a little gate that closed, but there's just two little rails that they just put together. Walkers or those who walk the trails, they know people are walking trails through there sometimes, so they sometimes they're just look her that you can just walk under it and walk over walking around because they're not blocking anything. They don't have fences around. Just got it right on the road where you're gonna drive your car. A lot of people leave the car outside there that particular area, going by the golf course. So they have these dreams about these things, and all of a sudden, my nature changed.

1:10:00 And this it's strange because it's up until this day. My nature changed and a lot of times I couldn't figure out why I used to walk my dog. I had a German shepherd and I had a lap that I used to walk sometimes. And when I sometime I take my walk, I walk by myself. I don't walk with the dogs because they distract me. But when I used to walk the dogs in the neighborhood, go through the neighborhood, all of a sudden, all the dogs would jump the fence, all of them and follow me. I would just take maybe a twenty minute walk, and I have eight dogs that jump the fence and get behind me and just start following me. And I was like everybody was looking at me, like, hey man, are you letting these people dogs out the gate? I said, no, I'm just walking. I get to know them all sometime, I get to know their owners. But they'll see me walking.

1:10:51 Then they decided to take a walk with me. It got worse. It was worse than that. So I used to take walks, and and all of a sudden, some more dogs, some stray dogs, came out the woods and would walk with me. And one particular dog was so jet black and had his coarse hair. I rubbed them. I'm like, man, why are you fur fielled? I don't feel like a dog's fair. But he had these yellow eyes and he decided to walk home with me too, with my dogs. So this particular dog came to walk home with me. So he was even four grown. You made by a year old pretty jet black dog with these yellow eyes. And so I bring them home. My dogs are in the yard. My dogs are scared for some reason, and my dogs are very aggressive. And my two dogs don't like each other at all, so they like walking together their friends, but they like the ravels, so in the yard they never sit by each other.

1:11:45 So I left him out in the yard. It's nice, warm weather down south. So these two guys that I look in the backyard, they are hugged up to each other, hugged up. And so this particular dog is at my door. My sister is cooking like fried chicken and something like that at the door, and she left a glass glass screen door, and this dog is looking through the door and his eyes are blowing. This is a wolf, she said. Then my fiancee at the time said, hey, man, why you bring a wolf home? You got a wolf? Following you I like a wolf. They said, yeah, that's a wolf. I didn't really notice. My mind be somewhere else. And I'm looking at the thing and the thing eyes is glowing with the light. My dog's eyes don't blow with the light. So oh say, they said, man, you gotta get this dog out of here. Your dogs are scared.

1:12:34 Look at your dogs. It's scared, the big dogs. It's got of this thing like Okay, I don't know what that is. So I said, give me someone that give me that chicken and something like that. I'm gonna take him on back up the street and take them back to the woods where he came out of. So I walked the dog one back up there, and I started having those experience all the time. Animals would come out and just let's come from me just walking through the woods at night. And I don't know what I encountered or whatever pass I got. I got some kind of pass. That's because I've seen a few of those things. They were they'd be huge. But I put it off because I said, nothing like that exists, you know what I'm saying. I just my mind wasn't known that I would just see something sometimes go through the woods and I fell asleep one night at the park and I woke up because it's worn. It was a couple of things around me because I was really going to a bad time, and they was like they were over there. I was on the picnic table, just laying down because I was crying about young man. Sometimes cried I got to break up with this girl. I fell asleep and when I woke up, it was maybe eleven o'clock at night. Fell asleep except about eight. The park had closed around eight thirty, and I woke up as eleven jet black. I was hearing these sounds, almost like voices going through the garbage, because they had these garbage bands where people coming picnic.

1:13:47 I'm thinking of raccoons. I ain't paying no attention. My mind is some other things, so making gibberish sounds right. I was like, oh man, these raccoons. Let me get up and get out of here. What time is it. I couldn't see my watch where my little whatever I had book I was reading, and so I just walked on back up the hill. But I could have sworn it was something around me on the table. I guess I was so sad at the time. My sadness, wouldn't let me see what was around me. You know what I'm saying. But I noticed that animals when I would walk just straight, animal even wild animals, would just come and follow me, get right beside me. Is rack home from? Where does cawod he come from? And they'll walk with me, like like my dog. So I just say okay. To this day I moved up north, I still have that experience that animals would come and walk with me. So this one particular time I was going to a baseball game.

1:14:42 Me and my wife. We rode our bikes up to the neighborhood, up the street and we got to this baseball park and it was packed in the neighborhood baseball and we got off our backs as we were walking to the bleachers to sit down like in the middle of everybody, closer to the ground. We didn't go up high. We sat down. But we walked past this female duck and this duck was like quacking. So we walked past her and I walked on in and about twenty up fifteen minutes later, this duck calming, came in into the park, the baseball park. But you know where the bleaches are, and came up to me, just quacking quacking. I was like, and the people said, do you understand what's going on with this duck? I said, yeah, she's looking for her babies.

1:15:31 And I said, mama, and she was like, quacking, Wow is talking to me? Like? She just got in my face to me and my wife Fay, and everybody says, look at Okay, do you understand what she's saying? I said, yeah, her babies are gone. She had her babies around here and she flew off or something scared her. So she want us to go and help find her babies. So I said, okay, gone lead the way, mama. And so when I said that, I got up, my wife got up, and three more people got up and they walked with us, and I said, where it was the last place you had? So she walked over there, she walked out the park. There's five of us walking with this duck and she walking. So make a long story short of the ducks that went under something and we had to go on in there and get them. But then we walked back. They said, how do you understand duck? I said, I don't understand.

1:16:19 Why did that duck come through the park and walk past a hundred people and stopped at you. I said, I don't know. I just I don't know. I did experience when I came to Minnesota, I didn't run into another creature. When I was getting off work, the snow was like maybe that that particular like his snow so bad. And as I was driving down the road, it was like the snow was so deep that you can't walk. So when they have those, when they have those blizzards up here, the sidewalks be four feet with snow, and highways be worse than that because the snowplows would throw snow on the side of each street. So this particular night, I was getting off one o'clock worked that engineering place building searchical beds and searchical robots. Got a job working up the building that so I'm looking and this thing comes across the street. But the snow is already five feet deep and it would be too deep for a dog or something like that. This big, this big animal, as I was on the ramp, came across the ramp and he was diving like because the snow was so deep, he had to dive. He had to put his whole stretch, his whole body out whom he did three stretches and he was across three snow piles. And this thing was so huge.

1:17:39 Man. I was telling him selling my co worker, I said, y'all didn't see that. We always leaving at the same time. Y'all don't see that big creature a crossing the road like that. They're like, oh, now, they said, nothing can't be walking out here. Man. He said, snow. The snow is two five feet deep. And then he said the snow plows pile snow up on the road on the side of the road up to seven feet. I said, yeah, I know this thing was and he dove about four times. He was on the other side of the highway and it was another little national park on that side up here in Minnesota. I have plain of experience, and in particular time that I was down there, someone was telling me about, yeah, Bigfoot had got hit by a truck attracted trailer truck because he used to lay out there in the road, and all the truck drivers used to talk about it. And some of the drivers, people that I know, used to say, hey, y'all see that bear out there on the road. I said, no, they said it, And the story has it that it used to come out and lay on the road because the road was cool at night. I guess it was a particular animals that was sick or something like in the road used to be cool and this animal was coming just lay out there on the cool of the warmth of the road.

1:18:46 I don't know if if if the weather was damp, the woods were damp. Sometimes it's damp, and he had lay out there on that drag ground or wherever. And they said one of the truckers hit the thing. And when they hit the thing, that was the same time when I was down there and I just crossed over, and so it might have been the time that because they said this particular bigfoot they got hit. The truck driver stopped because he thought he hit a person, and he jumped out his truck and went down to look at it, and we went down to look at it. He said that the thing was laying on the side or something like that. He got close to it and realized it wasn't a person and he can't hit to come down the hill off the street, they got bluffs. They got bluffs down there where I was. At bluffs, you would park the truck up, come down the bluff and then he seen the thing down there in the saw grass as he was looking at it with the flesh like, butdy you okay, and then realized it wasn't a person, and all of a sudden another one came out, which was huge and scared him off, and he saw it.

1:19:41 He said, this thing was almost twelve feet tall, and he said, I picked it up. He said, the thing picked it up and ran off, yelled at him and picked up the one that was hit and ran off toward the golf course. So I guess that might've been the one I saw because the train, the trains go so slow, there's no way in the world the train would have hit that get that particular bigfoot. And I just said, those trains going to go like five ten miles per hour coming through here. So I said, what is that thing laying on the side of the golf course for it? So I calculated my time. I realized that was the same time that they said that one got you know, was hit by a truck. So I don't know they laid it out there trying to get it help. I don't know if the thing needed they wanted humans to help it or something like that and laid it out there where trained to see it or something like that. So I calculated the time. I said, oh, okay, that's the same time. And I used to walk through the National Park and they was telling me not to walk through there. Yeah, so I got a strange it's strange story. There's an Indian reservation over there and some of everything out there, and so to this day, I used to sit out there and hear strange noises, but I never equated to anything because I didn't believe in bigfoot, so I didn't believe in sasquatch. When you just have your antenna's up and to be aware of what's around you.

1:20:53 And that's the only place I used to see there. Believe it or not, I don't tell nobody about it because they said it's rare, very rare. I used to see the ivory built woodpepper because I just sit on those pitches. I used to sit there. There was cedars out there, and that those pines out there. I used to see them all the time, and I thought they were reciprocated woodpecker because they look alike until they fly off. One used to fly off and you can see the whites on his back and they're down there. I didn't tell nobody about it because they said, we're looking for that that woodpecker, and I said, okay, that's in such a secluded area. No wonder they can't find. That thing is up on a plateau and those if it is any I said, see them come on, laying right on the trees and peck with that beat. But they were like, rebuild a white beak and everything, and then when they fly, it looks strange from the back because it's almost like an insect. But because they got the white they would fly real fast in the next to the next tree, large tree and stuff like that. So there's a lot of stuff down there. I just don't tell you what national park it is because I just want to be at peace. For people to down there.

1:22:00 Is actually gonna ask you. So it sounds like we're not able to share what national park it was that you saw the train hit the bigfoot. Yeah, but I don't think I think that's the same animal. That's something I think the other bigfoot lady out there for he can get some help because I just really training hold for only five miles coming through that national park. They can't go too fast because of the They got a station on the other side where they unload the trains and bring all that all those chemicals up to the steam plant and to the waste treatment on the other side on the around the bind. So they kind of stopped and unloaded whatever and then taken up around the ben and come take it back up around about three or four miles and come back. They don't take the whole train, you know, one hundred and twenty cars, don't go all the way up. They kind of parking down at that station and the side I can say what it is because it's a it's with the Indian Reservation, excuse me. And it's now there where Eon Musk is at right now. It's over there at Memphis down on the other side of the Arkansas Memphis Bluff over there where the Allen Steen plant in the water tapment. That's very secluded, but it's a golf course and it's camping grounds out there, but very few people come on that back end because they put the thing plant out there.

1:23:16 But it's very gorgeous out there. They got a golf course and everything out there, but I think they closed that off because people had starts seeing the thing seeing animals, So they closed their golf course off and try to let their grass grow over And I said, why don't they close off? Yeah, they had to close it off. They didn't fence it off. They just say it's close. Quite a few golfers started seeing them over there, and they the reports are getting off, so they were trying to keep it where. I guess the animals can live in peace because there's probably part of the funding that goes with the National park. They know certain animals are certain creatures are there, so they they'll shut down a beautiful golf course for the of keeping those things. And lots of deer, lots of turkey, lots of animals. So they had plenty to eat. A lot of water there too, with a lot of fish baths and bluke i old and stuff like that. And a lot of berries, wild raspberries and blueberries down there that was growing wild. The cinnamons of trees, tons of trees of the cinnamon. So I can see why the if there were big foots there, they have I see two or three hundred the cinnamon trees in the fall and they get riping around September or October. Those the cinnamons, plenty of deer, plenty of turkey, plenty of fish. I used to go back there and fish and catch a mess of fish. I wouldn't take them all home, but there's times that i'd catch two hundred fish. I let them go, most of them anyway.

1:24:39 Quite a few beavers, a lot of cowldies. I was sitting on a tree one time. I was like this with my back turned on the ground, and here come a wolf, and I said, old man's telling the truth. It was a beautiful wolf. Man. It was darker color, almost looked like a German shepherd. He want a German shepherd. I was like, man, this german sharp. I realized German shepherd, maybe a BYuT a one year old. He was walking toward me. He didn't see me because I was still. He walked back five feet, about ten feet into me in front of me. Then he just made a big line. He'd a run. He's just like a human, walk right back into the deep woods. I said, man, you're gorgeous, beautiful. Always had a bluish color like man. I said, man, that old man is telling the truth about what's out here. And my wife and I saw cougars she said, I was driving around the back end. When I was in the car, she said, man, you see that. I said, see what she says, said, a big yellow cat in the tree. I said, yellow cat?

1:25:34 She said, look like a cougar. I said, oh, it probably is. I said, no, cat just gonna climb up a pine tree like that or whatever. It was, clemming. She it was just right there. I was like, okay, yeah, there's some of everything down there. Hey, thanks for coming up. Is this a story I could share on the big Foot podcast that I have? Yeah, if you, I mean, if it's interesting. It don't seem like I have much to offer, just my experience interesting. Yeah, Hey, thanks for coming up. Man, I appreciate it. Okay, okay, you have a good one. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.

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