Feb. 28, 2025

Incredible Encounters in the Garden of the Gods! | Illinois

Join us as we chat with Jim Peters and Joe Jenkins from the Sqwatchers, who share their incredible experiences in Southern Illinois' Garden of the Gods. From eerie footfalls in the wilderness to unexplained mechanical sounds, Jim and Joe recount their...

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Season 1

Join us as we chat with Jim Peters and Joe Jenkins from the Sqwatchers, who share their incredible experiences in Southern Illinois' Garden of the Gods. From eerie footfalls in the wilderness to unexplained mechanical sounds, Jim and Joe recount their encounters with the unknown. Discover their chilling stories of mysterious rock throws, strange howls, and even a possible UFO sighting. Be sure to check out their documented evidence and recordings of these phenomena. These lifelong friends turned researchers provide a fascinating look into the strange and unexplained in the Garden of the Gods.

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We've got the privilege of talking to the squatters today.

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Squatters are Jim Peters and Joe Jenkins, and they're going

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to be sharing about what they've been involved with down

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in southern Illinois, specifically Garden of the Gods. And I

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was connected with these two gentlemen from a good friend

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Joe Turrey from Red Room Creative Media. You may have

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seen his documentary creature from Big Muddy perhaps, but if

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you haven't, you know, definitely go check it out. I've

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talked to him in the past, but welcome to the show, guys.

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How's it going.

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Oh it's good. Thanks thanks for having us.

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Absolutely.

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You know, I've had a few episodes so far about

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this Garden of the Gods area and it is just

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there's some really interesting stuff coming out of it. I've

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even done a little bit of calling different places around

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the area, and yeah, it's it's a very very interesting area.

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But it sounds like you guys have also experienced some

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stuff in this area yourself.

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We have. The Guard of the Gods is just it.

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It's a beautiful place, but there is also the Guard

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of the God's wilderness, and the wilderness encompasses all around it,

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surrounding forests and bluffs. I've lived down here since i

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was seven and I'm sixty seven now. I'm Joe Jenkins,

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sixty seven now, I've had forty years law enforcement down

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this area and just.

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Have been throughout the woods.

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It's a beautiful area to come but the Guard of

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the Gods is a special place, There's no doubt about it.

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I'll let Jim tell you.

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Yeah, Okay, just so you know, I'll give you a

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little background. My name is Jim Peters and I'm the

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same age as Joe. We've been friends since second grade.

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And I moved down to southern Saline County in nine,

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twenty nineteen, and I'm about fifteen minutes from Garden of

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the Gods where I live, and my property backs up

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to the Sharnee National Forest, so we're we have woods

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all around us. And me and Joe kind of started

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hiking the River the River Trail, and that's how we

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kind of got into this because we liked hiking, and

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we were going to go from our original you know things,

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let's go all the way across the state, and we

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never made that, but we started hiking and going through

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all the trails from on the River River Trail going

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across the state, and for the most part, it was

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just fun and we were relaxed and it was you know,

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everything was cool. And then, you know, we started experiencing

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things that were a little out of the ordinary. And

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I let Joe tell you we had a one, one

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particular trip we we had We were walking in to

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our area, hiking into the to this bluff area where

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we liked to camp, and then we had stopped along

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this creek in this valley. There's there was there's bluffs

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on both sides of us there and this is right

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in the Garden of the God's Wilderness area and that

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we stopped and we could hear these footfalls on the

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top of this bluff over to our left. It was

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across the creek and up on top and we could

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we could hear them and they were very very loud,

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and you could, you know, you could kind of feel

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them because they were like bompomp, boom, boomp, and never

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be able to hear a person walking up there, but

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it was something by Petle walking up there and on

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top of the bluff, on top of the bluff, and

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you know, as you're standing there, it was so close,

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you think you're going to see at anytime it's going

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to walk right up to the edge of the bluff

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and you're going to be looking at it, whatever it is.

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But that never happened. And I went closer to the

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bluff up underneath it and put my hand on the

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side of the bluff that I can actually feel the

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vibrations as it was walking. As I was feeling the bluff,

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Joe stayed back to kind of keep an eye on

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the top of the bluff to see if it made

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an appearance, and all of a sudden, just as fast

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as they started, they stopped and I walked back out

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to him and we didn't hear anymore. We walked wat

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about another half a mile and decided let's stop here.

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There wasn't any foliage on the tree, and so we

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could see a long waist yeah, and it was who

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was ice forming on the bluffs as the water was

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running over the bluffs and was ice forming all the

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way down, which is was very pretty actually, And.

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Joe sat down on a on a rock there right

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in front of us the bluff where the ice was

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coming down, and I was standing there with my back

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to the bluff where we heard the footsteps. That was

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back that way about half a mile. And as we

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were sitting there talking, there was a big o rock

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that got thrown and it came over and it hit

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the ice above where Joe was sitting, and that whole

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ice sheet come down right behind Joe, crashing down, and

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of course he was getting out of the way, and

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we were both kind of stunned, like what on earth,

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And that rock fell and and the ice fell, and

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we were. That was one of our first experiences. I

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guess we weren't sure what it was, but it was like, wow,

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that's kind of interesting. And we didn't really go much

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farther than that. At that point we were kind of

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weirded out. We decided to get out, you know, so.

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Well, at that point Jim did climb part way up

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the bluff. We kind of a place where you could

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kind of get up closer to the top and climbing

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up there, we found a shelter cave in the side

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of the bluff that you couldn't see from the ground,

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and all these rocks stacked they were flat, yeah, black

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as they come out of the creek or a riverbed ers, and.

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They were stacked on top of one.

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Now they're just kind of you could see it once

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you got up there at that point, climbed up there,

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but you couldn't see it from the ground. We looked

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inside if there's anything in there. There wasn't.

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We couldn't get on up to the top of the bluff.

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And like Jin said, at that point we just a

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little creeked out and come on back out and walked out.

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But the Guard of the Gods is just a very

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interesting place. We were, like Jim said, we were hiking.

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We just started doing that and decided, you know, it's

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something we really enjoyed doing, and we were trying to

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we we got about a third across, about a third

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across the state, but there was one place that kept

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bringing us back, and that was that was a bluff

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at the Guard of the Gods. And it's about two

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miles from the Garden of God's area in the wilderness,

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and it's on the River River trail, but it's a

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bluff overhang that from that you can look out and

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just see Harden County, Sling County. You can't even see

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in the Kentucky Kentucky Gallatin County. You're just above all

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the trees, just looking out over everything. Beautiful place to camp.

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And we just kept getting drawed back to that spot.

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And for some reason, really after the experience that we

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had up there, we never went any farther. We started

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just kind of trying to stick around.

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The Guard of the Gods there for a while. The

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we had camped there many times and never had really

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any kind of experience or anything that said this is

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just beautiful and uh, but one particular time we were

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up there on that bluff, and this bluff is about

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I don't know, i'd say, what about eight feet. Yeah,

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it's about eight odd feet in elevation. And so we

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hike up there and we take our backpacks off. We're

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gonna we're gonna stay the weekend up there, and uh

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so we're kind of getting our camps set up, and

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to the woods that was behind us away from the bluff,

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we kept hearing this machire anical sound, almost like a

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almost like an electric drill or a or an electric

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saw some sort. It was like wow kind of sound.

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It was really mechanical and yeah, and very electric, you know,

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like it was going to be electric sound something. And

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h I said, listen to that, and he listened, and

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we're like, what on earth could that be? Because I

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mean there's nothing up there. I mean there's just there's

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nothing there except woods in us. And so we decided

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we were gonna, you know, walk over into the woods

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there and see if we could determine what was making

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that sound, because it was it was loud, but not

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overly loud, but loud enough that you could hear it.

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And we're like, okay, let's let's let's go find it.

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So we walked towards it. It's doing it the whole time,

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and we walked towards the sound, and right when we

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get to where the sound is, it stops and it

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starts up again about fifty yards from us in another direction. Yeah,

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it's not that far off.

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I mean, when we got up from our campsite to

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walk over there to it, we could tell where the

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sound was coming from.

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It was just it was just in the woods there,

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I mean just.

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Fifty seventy five feet and it's like, okay, there's where

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it's coming from. So when we walked over there, like.

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I said, it changed positions.

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We continued to go to the next spot and it

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changed positions and we're looking at each other kind of dumbfounded,

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because then we decided, well, it's split up.

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Jim, here's it from over in one spot. I'm going

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to that spot.

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And I'd walk over to where he thinks it's coming from,

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and I'm hearing it and it's in another place.

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It was never where we were, and it was playing

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with us really, And that's kind of the thing that

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creeked me out when I when I first realized, I thought,

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you know, this thing's like intelligent it's it's messing with us,

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because we go to where the sound is, it moves

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and it starts up somewhere else. And then we go

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there and it moves and it goes over here, it

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starts up there. And I was really I don't know

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if Joe was, but I know how I felt. I

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felt really weird about it because I just was thinking, man,

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this thing seems to be intelligent. It knows where we're at,

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and it moves and it's just playing with us. And

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this went on for probably twenty minutes, at least, maybe

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about thirty minutes. It was. It was crazy how it

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just keep moving around even if we split up, and

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we could never catch up to it. And so it

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finally ended up stopping and we kind of thought, well,

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it's not coming back, let's go back to our campground.

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So we went back to the camp it was, I said,

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fifty seventy five feet away. Yeah, you could look and

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see it, you know. So we walked back there, and

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the rest of the night I was a little unsettled

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because I just kept thinking something was there messing and

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this sound never came back. It never came back the

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rest of the night, and it was really kind of

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the first thing on this bluff that was odd to

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us because, like I said, we had stayed there many

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nights before and had nothing, and then when we had

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this this sound that was we were chasing around like

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crazy trying to catch up to it and we couldn't.

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That kind of that kind of had me going there

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for a little bit. I was. I was a little

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unnerved and probably didn't sleep as well that night. We

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each have hammocks, and Joe was his hammock of probably

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fifteen or twenty feet away from mine, and so I

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think I slept pretty light that night because I was

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just kind of unnerved. And I don't know, you have

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to have that feeling. I guess most of the time

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you feel pretty comfortable out there, you know, sharing with

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nature and not but after that, I really was kind

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of uncomfortable to the rest of the trip out there that

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particular time. Yes, it's it's amazing.

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We're talking about the same spot and you can go

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out there and just spend the evening and and it's

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quiet and you just feel one with nature, relaxed and

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go to sleep. Jims talking about his hammock. I'll tell you,

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at the same place, it's about two miles probably at

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a couple hour hike from the Garden of the Gods

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area to this spot, and say, you just know you're

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out there by yourself, you know, you know, it's just you.

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And we went out there one one day and set

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up camp another incident on this spot, and we had

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our hammock set up. And you know, like I said,

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our hammocks or Tennessee hammocks are between two trees. You

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climb in the hammad It was time for us to

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go to bed. We've done talking and side were just

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gonna turn in for the night. I climbed in my

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hammock Jim and his. And the way these hammocks are

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designed is they have a netting. You zip yourself up

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in them and has a netting keeps the bugs and

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stuff out. So I get laid back there and holding

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up my eyes and I'm laying on my back looking

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at the stars and normal night like we've done twenty

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times before. And these hamlets are probably about My hamdmrick

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was probably about two feet off the ground, maybe a

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little more. And I'm just laying there looking at the stars,

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and something starts on the right side of my back

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and goes under the hammock and I feel it rubbing

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my back and it starts on my right side, goes

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all the way across and goes out on my left side.

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Well that was enough.

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I jumped up, grabbed my headlamp, which is in the

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you know, in the hamlet.

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With me big so society would be right back after

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these messages.

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And I turned this headlamp on and I'm looking.

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I mean this thing it felt like a you know,

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it feels like when a like when a cat would

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rub up against you, you know, and just kind.

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Of rub and move on.

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And I thought my first thought was it was a bobcat,

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you know, or something to that effect. And I shined

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my flash flight and there's nothing there. With Jim, here's

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the commotion and from what's going on. I told him,

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I said, get your light, see if you see any

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thing underneath me. And he's looking around and there's nothing there.

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And upon checking more, I mean, we're up here on

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a an area where there's been camping before, and you know,

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there's we've moved around a lot.

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There's wasn't any grass.

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It was all just kind of real fine dirt dust

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like in between the rocks walk there's nothing there the

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only foot princess there is mine. There's no footprints in

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the dirt. And yet I felt this thing just just

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rub right across my back, started on one side and

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went out the other.

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That was a night that I did not sleep well

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the rest of night either.

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Yes, that's there's there's definitely something different I believe about

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the Garden of the Gods area.

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So at this point, neither one of us have really

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even thought about maybe any kind of a cryptid creature,

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a bigfoot or anything like that. We never even about it.

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Where we just had some weird experiences and and we were,

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you know, curious about them, but you know, we weren't thinking,

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you know, you know, any kind of ENCRYPTI thing yet

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a matter of fact that I don't think until we

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until we probably turned I don't know, and in my

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late fifties, till I was really kind of a believer

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or a nowhere the one time that this is I'm

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going to talk about the experience that really led up

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or why we why we started doing this in the

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first place, was we were at this same bluff that

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we had these other experiences, and this time we decided

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to take a friend with us. There was another guy

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come with us, and uh, we hiked up the bluff

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and we're setting up our camp and everything seemed normal

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as could be. It was a beautiful day. It was

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a little bit it was going to be cold that evening.

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We knew that, so we made sure we went out

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and sted all the firewood we were going to need

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for the night. And so we're here on this bluff

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and we get our camp sight all set up, We

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get the firewood set there, and we knew, like I said,

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we knew it was going to be cold. So we

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have this what do they call it reflect reflective type

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blanket that we use some pair of cord and we

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tied it up in between trees that kind of would

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reflect the heat back to us, and we just sat out.

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Night had fallen, we had eaten our dinner, and we

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were just sitting around talking and Tim, the guy that

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was with us, he goes over to the edge of

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the bluff. We're back away from the edge, and he's

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standing there and he starts hollering, Hey, come over here,

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come over here. So for whatever reason, Joe hung back.

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I went to see what he was talking about. And

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he's pointing into the sky and he sees this light

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and it was coming right at us, and I'm like

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a lot of times in the Garden of the God's

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area people get lost, they have helicopters come through with

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the shining lights to try to find people that are

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lost out there, because people get lost out there all

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the time. And so I thought, well, that's what it was.

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It's a helicopter comes straight at us, light on it,

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and it's looking for somebody that was lost, and go

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to find out, No, that's not what it was. It

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was not making any noise whatsoever, and it was very

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very low, and it's just coming straight at us. And

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as me and him are standing there on the edge,

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it gets towards right on top of us and it

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shines a light down on us, and its light's really

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bright and it comes down. This doesn't last very long,

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maybe he only shines it on there for like maybe

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three or four seconds. Like there it is, We're standing

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in bright light, and then boop, it's off and the

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things moving on. So we kind of watched it. We

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kind of watched it as it as it went away

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from us, and I didn't see the light turn on again,

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but so we were like, wow, that was really weird.

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That was some kind of like a UFO or something

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that was coming in, you know. So by that time

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I had got over there.

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I heard them hollering, and and I got over towards

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the edge of the bluff where you could see past

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the trees and stuff, and they were telling me what

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was going on, what had happened.

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I missed it.

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I didn't get to see any of it, but I

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could tell by their excitement, you know, something had happened.

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And so we sat around there talking.

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About that for all the rest of the evening. Yeah,

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it's not because that's weird. I mean, you know when

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a light shine down on top of you like that,

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And so I guess it was probably we probably talked

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to around twelve thirty, and we stoked the fire and

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everybody climbed in their hammocks and we all turned in

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and thinking, yeah, we've got to see something that was

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pretty cool. And next thing you know, I'm waking up

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and Tim's already up. He's stoking the fire. He had

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got up. I guess he was cold. He was out

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there smoking fire, getting it all built back up. And

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by this time, it was probably about three thirty or four.

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At four o'clock, and so I get up and I'm

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standing there by the fire trying to warm myself up

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a little bit, and that will Joe up. And then

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all three of us are standing there at four o'clock

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in the morning, just kind of by the fire, and

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stars are just wonderful. It's just so beautiful. And all

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of a sudden, as we are standing there, all us

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just kind of talking and warming our hands, there is

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this howl that I don't even know if I can

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explain it. It was a whoop, but it was a long, long,

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drawn out whoop. It was very very long, drawn out,

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and it was so loud and so loud and so deep.

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I guess too that you could feel it in your bones.

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I mean you could hear it. Now, Yeah, you could

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definitely hear it. It was loud, very loud, but it was

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one of those things that you could feel as well.

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And I mean it would rattle every bone in your body.

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You're sitting there and you're like, what on earth? And

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I know we all felt it. And yes, like I said,

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we're on the bluff.

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So the sound to me was coming from across the

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valley on the other hillside that we had come down

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in order to get to this campsite.

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There's just one trail into it.

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And the sound was so loud you could feel the

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concussion off of it. You could literally feel a vibration

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in your chest.

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And I'll I'll go to my dying days knowing that

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that was not a human. There's no way a human can.

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It was no.

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Animal that I know of, indgative of that area at all.

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It was just so massively loud. You could tell this

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was massive. Whatever was making this sound.

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Yeah, I've said it before that it makes you feel small.

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It was so loud that it just makes you feel small.

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And because whatever made this was massive, it was huge

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had to be, because they're just man, it's yeah, you're

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just never heard anything like that before in our lives.

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I mean, at this time, we're in our fifties and

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we'd never heard anything like this before, or that loud,

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or anything that would vibrate you like that. And so

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we're both or all three of us there, we're standing

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there and we're stunned. Really, you know, probably all three

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of us have our mouth hanging wide opening, and.

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We're probably I remember I looked at Jim and we're

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all kind of just looking at each other because we're confused.

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But I remember looking at Jim and said, what in

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the world is that? And Jim on don't forget he

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looked at me. He said, well, I can tell you,

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but I don't think you'd believe me.

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Yeah, I told him. I said, I had watched, you know,

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like like everybody else, you know, we watched you know,

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Finding big Foot before and all that kind of stuff,

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and heard what howels are supposed to sound like or

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are supposed to sound like. That's what it sounded like.

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But I never heard anything like that, anything that loud.

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So I just told him, I said, you know, I've

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heard that before, and you know, from from TV shows

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and YouTube and videos and whatnot, and it sounds like

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that could have been a big Foot.

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I think we have the recording of that, right.

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Guys, Yeah, you might. You might have first half. Yep.

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I'm gonna play it right now here for us.

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And that kidding me that stort just down this road?

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Am I in the zoo? Like that's crazy, that's like

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the given exhibit. Man, we gotta play it one more time,

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just real quick.

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It's awesome. Yeah, good, my goodness.

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Oh thinker Thunker would have a field day with that

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Holy Max.

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Here in my arms are standing. That's just it just

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brings it back so clear that that is the sound.

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So yeah, so now we're we're all standing there wondering

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what we just heard, and before we could hardly do

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anything else. From the north, now this is a valley

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that's running north and south, and to the north we

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heard another one, same thing. It was a whoop, much

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shorter whoop. It wasn't drawn out like that, but it

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was farther away and a lot fainter. I mean, you

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could hear it plain, but it didn't rattle your bones

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or anything, but it was probably who knows.

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How a couple of miles north of the Guard of the

457
00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:43.599
Gods shorts equality.

458
00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:49.519
So there was a response to this wool from there,

459
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:51.359
and I would imagine if you were standing by that

460
00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:53.559
other one it would have felt just as loud, but

461
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:57.160
from where we were at it was much fainter, but

462
00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:01.640
you could definitely hear it, and we're.

463
00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:05.799
Like, oh my gosh, yeah, because once you we heard

464
00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:10.839
that sound, as confused as we were not knowing what

465
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:15.960
this was, when you hear something respond to it and

466
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:21.720
answer it, it just it blew our minds at that

467
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:26.599
point in time, I thought Jim's right. I mean, that

468
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:29.079
was the only thing that I could think of that

469
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:33.880
could make him sound that lud that it would vibrate.

470
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:36.839
Through our chest. I just kept thinking, man, we're surrounded.

471
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:40.720
Oh my gosh, they're everywhere.

472
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:46.079
So we're wide awake at this point, and we walk

473
00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:51.359
out to the edge of the bluff. Mainly we're listening

474
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:54.880
because you know, we're expecting to hear something again.

475
00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:57.799
You know, I want to add that too. It's we're

476
00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:02.559
looking out over the tops of trees, okay, and it

477
00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:06.759
was I don't know if Garden of the Gods area

478
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:11.839
where when it's night time, there's no there's no lights there, right,

479
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:16.359
and when it gets dark, you can't see the guy

480
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:18.559
standing right next to you or you're hand in front

481
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:21.000
of your face, especially if the moon's not around. If

482
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:23.279
the moon's out, you can, but if it's the moon's gone,

483
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:27.720
and there was no moon this particular night and it's dark,

484
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:31.359
so as we were looking out over the over the bluff,

485
00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:35.440
we would have been able to see anything that was

486
00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:38.200
if it made a light, or somebody had a headlamp on,

487
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:41.640
or or somebody even lit a cigarette out there, you'd

488
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:43.720
been able to see it because it was just it

489
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:46.240
would have it would have lit up like a you know,

490
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:52.240
in the in this total blackness, so we didn't see anything,

491
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.039
and we were just still intently listening, not hardly talking

492
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:58.839
at all, just listening and looking out.

493
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:03.839
Over the blackness. And that's when we heard the others

494
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:06.960
that are hearing chatter. At the time, we just heard

495
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:10.720
people talking. I mean, we're still trying to rationalize what

496
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:16.799
this was, and we hear what sounds like voices, but

497
00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:20.079
we can't make out what they're saying. It even sounded

498
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:23.359
like a maybe a couple of male and a female

499
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:28.720
voice all together talking going along the bottom of the bluff.

500
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:35.119
We're on top of it. We're hearing this conversation speaking,

501
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:38.359
but we can't understand a word that they're saying.

502
00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:42.480
And well, and not only that, it's the reason we

503
00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:44.599
can't understand what they're saying is because they're not talking

504
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:47.519
any kind of language that we know, right. They're not

505
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:52.440
talking like even Japanese, or they're talking gibberish like you know,

506
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.599
like almost like the Sierra sounds. If you've heard the

507
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:59.519
Sierra Sounds, that's kind of what it sounded like. As

508
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:02.240
far as as what we were hearing. It was just

509
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:07.480
this craziness. But in our minds at first we didn't.

510
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:10.839
We just thought it's got to be.

511
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:14.519
People big so society will be right back after these messages.

512
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:32.359
That's what you thought at all?

513
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:32.640
I did.

514
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:33.039
I did.

515
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:35.559
I thought, well, somebody's down there and they're talking. I

516
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:38.599
can't understand a word they're saying. But they're in a

517
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:42.720
complete darkness. And you don't walk through the Garden of

518
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.400
the Gods. I mean, there's rattlesnakes, there's copper heads, there's

519
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.319
one of mocksins. You don't walk through there in the

520
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:50.240
middle of the night at four point thirty in the

521
00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:55.039
morning and pitch black. That's just not a very smart

522
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:57.519
thing to do. So we keep looking for lights.

523
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:00.920
He's thinking people. We don't necessarily think life. He thinks,

524
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:04.359
you know, everything's half him. He already decided that it

525
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:06.400
was a big foot at the time. I didn't. I

526
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:09.039
was confused as to what it was. No, it didn't

527
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:11.720
sound like anything to people and me. It sounded like gibberish.

528
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:14.559
Do we have a recording of that? Sorry?

529
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:17.599
I do, We do have some. I don't know if

530
00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:19.839
we sentd we send him. We don't have a recording

531
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:22.279
of that particular night when but I think we did,

532
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:26.000
might have had a recording sent to you on some

533
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:28.799
kind of chatter. I don't know if he did or not.

534
00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:33.279
I think I think I'm going to play something just

535
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:33.720
in case.

536
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:55.319
Okay, yeah, that's a recording we did that sounded like,

537
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.079
honestly like singing type, like a melody.

538
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:04.200
But it was yeah, and in the middle of nowhere

539
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:07.039
is in the middle of the night, you know, where

540
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:11.079
we get these knocks and different sads we recorded.

541
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:13.799
But I wouldn't say it was much unlike that. To me,

542
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:20.039
it was just a you know, this gimmerish I'm thinking Bigfoot.

543
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:22.079
I don't know what he's thinking that. I'm thinking there's

544
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:26.720
gotta be something down there. So I decided at that

545
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:29.319
particular point, I'm just going to do a holler myself.

546
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:31.279
I thought, you know, I've seen it on Bigfoot fighting

547
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:32.839
Bigfoot of all time. They get up there and they.

548
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:35.599
Go, okay, let's do a holler, and in ten you know,

549
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:37.240
and then the next person hollers.

550
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:39.160
Well, I decide I'm just going to do one too,

551
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:42.279
because I'm thinking, okay, let's see if I can get

552
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:46.960
a response. Well, I did one and when I was done,

553
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:50.000
you could hear pin drop in that forest. You could

554
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:52.880
hear pin drop. There was no chattered, there was no nothing,

555
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:59.319
no nothing. And I always have thought since then that

556
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:01.200
if there was somebody else out there, they would have

557
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:04.640
hollered back just to you know. And so I knew

558
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:07.200
right then that this was not This was not other

559
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.160
people out there. And as a matter of fact, we

560
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:13.640
had not seen anybody all weekend. We hadn't seen heidener

561
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.119
Tail anybody all weekend, So I knew the probably wasn't

562
00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:18.759
anybody out there. But like I said, after I did

563
00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:21.759
that holler, it got dead quiet. I mean, it was

564
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:25.920
pin drop, and we just stood there. I bet we

565
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:30.039
stood there for another thirty five or forty minutes. Not

566
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:33.319
a sound. You know, we're hoping for one, We're hoping

567
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:36.319
to hear something else, and not a sound.

568
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:39.039
Yeah, just straighten it up, you know, Like I said,

569
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:42.200
Jim said he he had been watching a lot of

570
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:43.960
these shows, and he's the one who said, you know,

571
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:45.559
I think it sounded like a bigfoot.

572
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:49.039
I hadn't been watching a lot of them. I didn't

573
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:50.000
know what chatter was.

574
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.519
So the only thing that my mind could rationalize is

575
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:55.960
it sounded like somebody talking, but I couldn't understand what

576
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:58.960
they were saying. And the crazy thing about it is

577
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:01.799
that we mentioned that there was one trail that went

578
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:05.039
up to where we were had come down from the

579
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:09.679
hillside where we heard the how. But when you're going

580
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:13.599
through that canyon, there's a why and it goes off

581
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:16.920
and comes up to where we're at. But if you

582
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:20.519
went straight, which is the way the voice is sounding,

583
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:24.599
was going, the chatter was going is it was heading north,

584
00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:29.239
which is really interesting because when it made the first how,

585
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:33.920
and then we hear the chatter going down through the

586
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:38.039
canyon below us, it's heading north towards where that other

587
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:41.360
ha come from. So I thought that was very interesting.

588
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:47.039
Yeah. Well, after we sat there for about another forty

589
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:52.480
minutes or so listening this is the crazy thing, we

590
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:56.599
all got back in our hands and went to sleep. Now.

591
00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:59.320
I know that's kind of odd because as I think

592
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:02.159
back on it now, I'm thinking, why would I have

593
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:05.800
done that? Because I was pretty I was pretty scared

594
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:07.199
when I heard that. To be honest with you, I

595
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:11.400
was big, and I'm thinking why would we do that?

596
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:18.719
And we've talked to other researchers about that particular, why

597
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:21.679
would we just go back in our hammocks. And it's

598
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:27.199
evidently it's not necessarily unusual, but that would happen because

599
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:31.800
you are kind of stunned at the time with it.

600
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:35.000
And they've they've explained having the same kind of thing

601
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:37.800
where you know, well, why didn't I go investigate that,

602
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:40.840
you know later, why didn't I do this? And they said,

603
00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:44.920
there's really no exclamation. That just sometimes that kind of happens.

604
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.199
But that's what we did. We ended up back in

605
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:49.800
our hammocks for another, well, a couple of hours.

606
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.719
What one the researcher, David Eller told us about that,

607
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.840
because I mean, if you asked me what the craziest

608
00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:58.440
thing was that night, it wouldn't have been the how

609
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:00.920
it was that I climbed back the hammock went back

610
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:04.719
to sleep. I to this day I couldn't figure that out.

611
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:08.360
But he did say, he said, you're you've been through

612
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:12.320
something that your brain can't explain, he said, and your

613
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.599
brain just wants to get back to normal, he said,

614
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:18.400
and going back to bed was probably the most normal

615
00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:21.599
thing you could do at that point in time. And

616
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.639
I thought, well that, you know, that possibly makes sense.

617
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:28.159
The trail we're talking about if it, if whatever that

618
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.599
made that sound that was walking below us, if it

619
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.559
had turned to the left and come up the path,

620
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:34.719
it would have come right by us. Yet we climbed

621
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:37.280
in our hammocks and all went back to sleep. Very

622
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:38.039
very strange.

623
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:43.679
I thought, yeah, I agree, So that would have been

624
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:47.559
our really big experience up there. Have we been back, Yeah,

625
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:51.039
we've been back. We wanted to go back because we

626
00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:54.840
wanted to hear it again, and that set us off

627
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:57.679
on this whole thing for us where we wanted to

628
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:00.719
do more research. I mean, some peopeople would hear that

629
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:02.760
and just go home and never do anything about it.

630
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:05.480
And we enjoy the type that we're going to go

631
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.559
and we're going to try to figure out what it

632
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:12.559
was and what you know, can we can? We want

633
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:16.000
to know what did that? And that set us off

634
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:21.400
on Well, now it's been like twelve years of research

635
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:26.280
and our own research where we started off with just

636
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:32.079
handheld recorders, you know, little thirty dollars Samsung health recorders,

637
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:35.599
and because we couldn't go out and camp everywhere all

638
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:39.039
the time, we decided we'd get these recorders, we'd put

639
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:42.079
them up in different areas, so we would we could

640
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:44.679
hike in and we could tape up a recorder to

641
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:47.719
a tree, and then we could hike out and we'll

642
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:51.719
go somewhere else and put another one up. And so

643
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:54.320
we were trying to put these in very remote areas

644
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:57.599
where we could rule out you know, like oh, there's

645
00:37:57.639 --> 00:37:59.679
a house close, well, we wouldn't put it close to

646
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:01.840
a house or that sort of thing. So we were

647
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:04.719
putting them out away from everything so that the stuff

648
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:11.599
that we hear, you know, wasn't contaminated by other human beings.

649
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.920
And what we found after doing that for probably a

650
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:17.920
couple of years, that's all we did was just do

651
00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:22.480
audio recordings, and we found out that there was at

652
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:25.800
least we found we noted three different site or three

653
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:30.039
different areas in the Garden of the Gods area that

654
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:38.599
were really really active with sounds and whoops and haulers

655
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:43.480
and tree knocks and all this stuff. So once we

656
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:46.440
can determine that these these three areas, man, they are hot,

657
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:49.880
they are really really active, then we would go back in,

658
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.320
you know and do a lot of a physical research.

659
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:56.239
We'd go in look through the area, looking for prance,

660
00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:59.760
looking for tree breaks, looking for you know, any kind

661
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:04.440
of a structure in the area, and we've been able

662
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:10.039
to find several structures and several tree breaks and footprints

663
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:13.679
and over the time in these areas, and they have

664
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:18.159
stayed active really for the whole time. I would say

665
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:20.679
for the last ten years, these three sites have been

666
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:25.320
really really active, especially in the fall and in the spring,

667
00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:28.400
through the winter to a little bit, but not much

668
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:30.000
in summer. I gotta say that.

669
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:36.679
But I would love to play some of maybe another sound.

670
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:39.599
Eff that's all right, And kind of now that I

671
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:42.920
know that there's the file, names are starting to make

672
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.280
sense that as you're talking, you have these different sites

673
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:49.719
and I'm kind of curious.

674
00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:50.960
I'm going to play this one here.

675
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:11.199
Mhm. So yeah, that's that's the kind of things you're

676
00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:12.840
hearing in this area.

677
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:18.039
Yes, yeah, yeah, it was. It was like four I

678
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:20.079
think that's one. There was like four different house on

679
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:23.000
that one. That's Site three, isn't it. Yeah? Sight three,

680
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:27.920
I mean yeah, side three, Side three. I can tell

681
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:29.000
by that how that was.

682
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:31.800
Yeah, there was like four holds altogether strung in that

683
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:38.760
and that was a very that that place there is

684
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:40.400
absolutely in the.

685
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:42.400
Middle of nowheres.

686
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:43.880
Mm hmm.

687
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:49.000
So the sound that we got there was just and

688
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:51.079
and you spend you know, I have to. I have

689
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:52.599
to give Jim props. Jim.

690
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.360
Jim does most listening on this and you know, he'll

691
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:58.239
put a recorder out and we'll go out in the

692
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:01.480
evening before it gets dark and and start a recorder

693
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:05.079
and put it on a tree, go back, pick it

694
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:10.159
up next day. Well that's you know, twelve thirteen hours

695
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:13.400
and Jim sitting there listening to nothing but crickets.

696
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:16.440
Yeah, I do. I listened to most of them. Joe

697
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:21.760
has a studio and a recording studio and we take

698
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:25.599
I take the sounds from there and offload them on

699
00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:29.159
into his studio where we can hear him better. I mean,

700
00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:32.360
you know, a speaker on a thirty dollars recorder is

701
00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:35.280
very very good. But I listened to them all in

702
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:37.559
real time. And then so I have a lot of

703
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:40.360
a lot of times where it's nothing like it looks

704
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:44.760
crickets all night long, but it's when it's like fishing,

705
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:46.480
you know, all of a sudden boom there it is.

706
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:49.960
You get this this holler or this tree knock or

707
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:54.239
or whatever, and it kind of keeps you going. And

708
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:56.719
that I've listened to hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

709
00:41:56.719 --> 00:42:00.559
hours of audio and we've actually ended up with a

710
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:04.719
database of probably roughly two hundred close close to two

711
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:10.199
hundred audio clips of tree knocks and stuff we can't explain.

712
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:12.480
There's stuff on there we don't have any clue what

713
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:17.880
it could possibly be. And a mechanical sound, yeah, yeah,

714
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:19.840
we did catch a mechanical sound. It's one of those

715
00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:24.480
things where that's how we started, you know, and then

716
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:28.280
we kind of branched out and decided, oh, let's let's

717
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.360
get you know, parabolic mic and let's get you know,

718
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:35.400
formal and let's you know, let's get night vision. And

719
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:38.960
so we started branching out and started buying the equipment

720
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:41.599
we were going to need to do, you know, the

721
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:45.679
research that we do, and we finally over the years

722
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:49.599
just kind of got stocked up and now that's what

723
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.159
we do. And matter of fact, there's people from from

724
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.320
all over that that call us and say, hey, I've

725
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:57.559
got something you want to come research it, and we

726
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:02.039
will go and research for them as well. But there's

727
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:03.800
a lot of areas that we don't even really have

728
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:06.400
to leave the Garden of the Gods Lillerness area because

729
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:10.079
we have three sites right there that are active all

730
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:13.679
the time. You know, we're in We're in Jims and Slaine,

731
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:17.800
Namond Harden County, and every recording that we have it's

732
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:22.519
come from one of those two counties, and pretty much

733
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:25.000
and most of the photos.

734
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:27.599
That we have have come from those two counties. Just

735
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.679
here in southern Illinois by the Garden of the Gods.

736
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:33.760
Now we have we have went out, like you said,

737
00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:36.800
if if someone got hold of us and said, hey,

738
00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:40.000
I got something once you look at or we we

739
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:43.199
went halfway across the state and we went as stars

740
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:45.159
around Springfield area.

741
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:49.400
Have there been reported visuals in the Garden of the

742
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:50.239
Gods area.

743
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:57.320
Yeah, af r O has one right there in the

744
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:01.119
actually in the parking lot of the back packers parking lot,

745
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:03.239
I think there, but there was a visual there.

746
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:07.719
BFR has somebody's coming down from Indian Point right. That's

747
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:09.480
like a girl and our dad. I think we're coming

748
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:10.679
coming down.

749
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:15.199
And we have I'll say this, we have four photos

750
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:20.239
of cryptids that's from the area right in there and

751
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:22.480
those those two counties, you.

752
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.280
Know, which, like I said, I'm fifteen minutes from Garden

753
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:28.880
of the Gods. So and Joe was probably about fifteen

754
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:31.639
minutes from Guard of the Gods. It's another direction. And

755
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:35.039
so all these we do have cryptid pictures of bigfoot

756
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:40.079
in that area ourselves, and they're all right there. I mean,

757
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:42.960
you could consider it all the Bigfoot, I mean the

758
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:48.119
Garden of the God's Wilderness area. So yeah, and I

759
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:51.440
think sub just that, I think there's at least one siding.

760
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:53.960
There's a lot of people heard that heard things all

761
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:55.559
around it. Yeah, around that area.

762
00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:59.800
There's a BFRL siding between Guard the Gods and Equality.

763
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:03.400
I think where they saw something with a thermost seems

764
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:09.480
like there's several in the area of BFRO, most.

765
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:11.599
Of them I know the women. There was a woman

766
00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:14.199
and her husband on the trail right she said they

767
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:16.320
passed it and she thought it was like a guy

768
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:18.360
with some kind of coat on or something. She thought,

769
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:21.639
and they backed up and I guess it was gone.

770
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:25.320
But yes, I think that's a sighting that's on there, too.

771
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:28.559
Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages.

772
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:47.360
And I will tell you this that since we started

773
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:52.480
doing this, I've been more open in my county, I said,

774
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.719
I've been I've worked for forty years in law enforcement

775
00:45:56.800 --> 00:46:02.360
in the in Hardin County, area, and I'm pretty much

776
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:08.000
retired now. But you know, at first, we didn't mention,

777
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:12.639
you know, hey, there's there's I heard this, I saw this,

778
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:15.960
I don't know what. I didn't talk to people about it.

779
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:19.039
You know, it's got to the point that we have

780
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:26.079
found so much stuff. We've casted footprints, we've got photos

781
00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:29.440
of structures, we've got recordings of all the sounds that

782
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:34.000
we have. We have four pictures of what just looks

783
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:36.480
it looks like a big foot.

784
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:39.119
I'm not.

785
00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:43.920
I'm to the point now that I just will tell people, well,

786
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:45.840
here's what I think, and here's why I carry a

787
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:49.280
photo album in my truck. So if anyone wants to

788
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:52.119
explain to me what it is I've got, I'm all

789
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.880
for that, give me another explanation. Once they start looking

790
00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:59.119
through the photo album and see our pictures and stuff,

791
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:03.400
they look pretty confused to you at times. So and

792
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:07.360
doing that, I've also had so many stories that people's like, well,

793
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:11.920
let me tell you what happened to me. And these

794
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:14.039
are all stories around our area, right yeah, these are

795
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:17.719
all coming from the Shawnee National Forest here in these

796
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:24.400
two counties. Really, and it's amazing the other stories that

797
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:28.480
people have told since we started being more boulder about

798
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:29.719
what it is we're doing.

799
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:32.519
I think we both started when we started with you know,

800
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:35.880
you know when people think they're crazy. But you know,

801
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:38.800
like you said, as we as we started getting more

802
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:42.360
and more into it, you just can't not say something,

803
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:46.880
you know. I remember a guy once said that there's

804
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:50.239
three kinds of people in the big foot industry. You

805
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:55.599
have people who believe, people who don't believe, and people

806
00:47:55.679 --> 00:48:00.559
who know. And he went on to say for the

807
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:07.039
people who believe, there's plenty of evidence, for the non believers,

808
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:11.400
there will never be enough evidence, and for the people

809
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:16.039
who know, none of it matters. And to me that

810
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:20.639
was just wow, you know, really profound, because there are

811
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:24.440
going to be people that you can't convince, and there's

812
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:27.119
going to be other people who have seen it or

813
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:31.559
had that experience, and they're knowers. You know, they're not

814
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:35.320
just believers, they're knowers. So it's like seeing a flying

815
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:37.519
saucer for the first time. You know, when you see that,

816
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:41.079
you become a knower, You become really a knower that

817
00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:44.480
there's something out there. And the same thing with Bigfoot.

818
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:47.559
I think once you see him, you know, I would

819
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:49.199
like to add too that, you know, I think me

820
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:51.400
and Joe for the most part, are flesh and blood

821
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:55.840
type believers. You know, there's all kinds of theories out

822
00:48:55.840 --> 00:49:00.360
there now about Bigfoot, whether he's a dimensional creature, you know,

823
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:06.920
flesh and blood creature, or an alien or whatever. It's interesting.

824
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:09.840
It's very interesting that the night we had our how

825
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:14.159
we also have the line Saucer hit us with the light.

826
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:17.519
So I mean, that's kind of interesting when you put

827
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:21.320
those two together like that. But you know, I've always

828
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:23.840
thought kind of flesh and blood. But I have to

829
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:30.079
tell you, Jeremiah, that we have found one footprint and

830
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:33.400
then nothing else. But the footprint was so fresh and

831
00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:36.280
so big, and right there you could toes it, you

832
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:39.000
can see it, toes and everything in it. But there

833
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:43.480
was not another print anywhere. So that leaves you scratching

834
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:45.840
your head a little bit, like why am I only

835
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:48.440
finding one? Why don't I see a trail of these things,

836
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:52.920
you know, trail of footprints. Just one print. I had

837
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:54.760
to admit that's kind of odd, and that kind of

838
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:58.480
leads into the other people who are the dimensional you know,

839
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:01.840
believe he's a dimensional creed sure, or that sort of thing.

840
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:05.719
So I can't explain our when we do catch one print,

841
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:07.719
which we have, I can't explain that.

842
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:13.440
So if you think that they were looking at a

843
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:17.639
flesh and blood creature when you have like a you know,

844
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:21.039
you're trying to think of what we're dealing with. Are

845
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:25.199
you picturing like an ape like creature or maybe something

846
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:29.800
that's you know, some kind of human ape mixture.

847
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:34.480
Jeremiah, We'll have to Did we send him our pictures?

848
00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:38.519
I think she we might have sent you four pictures

849
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:43.480
of different cryptids. One of them looks like a gorilla.

850
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:47.159
I mean, flat out, matter of fact, this true story.

851
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:50.199
We were doing a presentation over at the Big Money

852
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:54.000
Festival for the Big Money Monster, and it was a

853
00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:57.119
lady come up to us and she was a was

854
00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:01.840
she primatologist? And she looked at that picture that we

855
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:05.199
thought looked like a gorilla, and she did too as

856
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:07.119
a matter of fact, and she said, look at the

857
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:10.199
tufts on it shoulder and everything and all that. She goes, yeah,

858
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:13.159
this is a primate. And she she says, can I

859
00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:16.599
take a copy of this picture? So Joe sent her

860
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:20.320
a copy of the picture, and the very next year

861
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:23.920
we were again at the Big at the Big Money

862
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:28.039
Monster Festival doing a presentation, and after the presentation she

863
00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:30.880
came and caught up with us, and Joe asked her,

864
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:33.400
He said, hey, what's going on? Did you have your picture?

865
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:35.679
She said, well, I sent it out to all of

866
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:39.039
my calleagues right right, And she said they all And

867
00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:43.719
the only question I asked was what is this? And

868
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:48.320
she said, they all came back as a primeate. Oh, gorilla, gorilla,

869
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:52.320
come back as gorilla. Well, we don't have gorillas in

870
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:58.199
Hartn accounting, so that's what do they look like? I

871
00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:01.079
don't know. I have another picture. It was taken as

872
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:03.039
a matter of fact, I took it and it was

873
00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:05.920
probably sixty yards from me, and it's kind of face

874
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:11.719
like a human Harry, but you know, you can see

875
00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:14.840
the nose and you know, cheap bones.

876
00:52:14.880 --> 00:52:20.280
We've actually taken four photos that are of creatures you

877
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:23.199
know that we consider bigfoot, and none of them look

878
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:23.639
the same.

879
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:25.920
They actually all four of them.

880
00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:30.320
And this is within a forty radiance.

881
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:36.760
Yeah, they all four are different in some way, you know.

882
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:40.480
I mean they had the features of the conical head

883
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:42.599
and stuff like that, but but just.

884
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:50.119
Different features. Yeah. So I mean, I don't know, I

885
00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:50.880
don't know what they are.

886
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:55.320
That sounds so interesting. I've been trying to look through

887
00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:58.519
my file. If you could send those again to me,

888
00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:03.440
I would really appreciate it. That sounds really interesting, especially

889
00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.199
with the response from the primatologists.

890
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:10.760
Yeah, the primatologist when she looked at our photo, I'm

891
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:13.039
just looking at something that said, and I've got a

892
00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:15.599
you know, an eight by ten.

893
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:17.679
I think, so what was photo in our photo?

894
00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:21.559
We're just showing pictures to people that got the festival

895
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:24.880
up there, and she come up and looked at it,

896
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:27.320
and she's coming through it and she just i mean

897
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:30.840
she stopped right on that page if she was just

898
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:34.360
kind of flipping through, and she said, who took this picture?

899
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:37.119
And I said, I did, and I actually took it

900
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:41.039
while I was on do the Sheriff's office with something

901
00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:43.519
I was dealing with. That's part of our presentation is

902
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:47.519
these photos and how we got the photos. And she said,

903
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:51.719
she's looking at it and really studying it, and I

904
00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:55.039
tell her the story, start telling her the story of

905
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:58.320
how I got the picture. And she said, that's a primate.

906
00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:01.440
And I'm like, well, it kind of, you know, to me,

907
00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:03.679
looks kind of like a bigfoot or whatever. And she's

908
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:06.320
like that is a primeate. She said, I have been

909
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:09.239
sent hundreds of photos of people trying to send me

910
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:12.679
pictures a big foot. She said, I'm telling you now,

911
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:16.599
that's primate. Look at the tufts on the shoulders. Only

912
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:21.480
primemates do that. Their hair toughs up, and she said,

913
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:24.679
the chest where it's bear there, you can tell that's

914
00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:28.440
you know, you can tell that that's that's bear. We're

915
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:31.079
supposed to be. The legs are short where they're supposed

916
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:34.559
to be, and she said, she said, that's a primate.

917
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:36.960
And so I sent her the picture, and like I said,

918
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:41.119
she sent to everybody, and she come to us next year.

919
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:43.719
We didn't count her. She she come up and we

920
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:44.559
gave the presentation.

921
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:48.280
Next year, we did the presentation on stage, and she

922
00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:50.280
come up afterwards and said, I'm the one that she

923
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:51.079
was talking about.

924
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:52.840
And she said that.

925
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:55.400
She had sent that all for colleagues, and I asked her,

926
00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:57.480
I said, what was their response, And she just looked

927
00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:03.559
at me and said, they all replied gorilla, which was

928
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:04.320
amazing to me.

929
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:05.280
You know, it's insane.

930
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:08.840
So you took this photo when you were still in

931
00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:09.800
law enforcement?

932
00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:12.880
Oh yeah, I was, Yeah, I was working that day.

933
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:15.840
We have. We have stories for every one of these.

934
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:18.400
Oh man.

935
00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:22.039
Yeah, I live in Harden County. It's a small county.

936
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:23.760
You know, there's less than four thousand people in the

937
00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:24.920
whole county. Uh.

938
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:26.679
I got to call there was cowls out.

939
00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:32.280
You know, and so keep from keep from somebody coming

940
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:34.480
around on a gravel road and you know.

941
00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:35.880
Too fast and hitting the cow.

942
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:39.159
And I go out there, and they call the person

943
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:42.719
that owns the place, you know, owns the the cows,

944
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:44.159
and dispatch does.

945
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:45.719
And I had that away.

946
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:48.559
Well, I kind of blocked the rods and nobody ends

947
00:55:48.639 --> 00:55:51.440
up pitting them and eventually get them in there. And

948
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:54.159
and I'm sitting there just waiting on the guy to

949
00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:58.039
show up, and and I ended up getting that picture.

950
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:00.840
I just I looked up parent thought it was a

951
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:06.920
cow and yeah, it's just because you know, there's cows

952
00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:08.760
in the in the picture with it when I send

953
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:11.639
it to you, And the reason being is I just

954
00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:14.239
thought they broke offense up there. So now there's a

955
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:16.159
whole story as to how I got that picture.

956
00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:21.760
I mean, that's another shows too much to tell.

957
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:25.960
Oh man, you guys are awesome.

958
00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:28.599
It's this this area.

959
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:33.239
We have been very very blessed and in doing this,

960
00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:38.079
to be honest with you, because we've done presentations with

961
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:39.960
the guys that said they've been doing it for thirty

962
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:43.400
five years have never seen one. Now they've got other

963
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:47.039
evidence stuff like that, but they've never actually seen one.

964
00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:50.360
So for us to have four. Of course, if you

965
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:53.880
bear in mind where we live. We live in the

966
00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:58.000
middle of the woods. We've got a river right beside us.

967
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:01.519
You know, we've got all the creeks and streams and

968
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:05.360
nothing but woods. So we live right smack dab in

969
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:09.599
the middle of where this activity can be. So I

970
00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:11.519
think that's why we've been so blessed to see what

971
00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:15.199
we saw and why we had so many stories I had,

972
00:57:16.360 --> 00:57:19.480
But we look too. Yeah, we're always out hiking and

973
00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:23.079
looking and recording all the time.

974
00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:27.880
When you were in law enforcement, would you get a

975
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:33.519
lot of calls people that were seeing stuff and reporting

976
00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:35.840
weird stuff then in the area.

977
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:40.599
You know, Yeah, we've had calls that people have called

978
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:43.400
actually out regard to the guys. Actually, I know a

979
00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:47.280
deputy that got called out there because they were their

980
00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:50.039
tent and they said a big foot was message with

981
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:50.519
their tent.

982
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:55.000
Of course he got out there. He didn't find anything.

983
00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:59.119
But there's the fact is, yeah, there's been many, many,

984
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:03.320
many stories. Please long yeah, law enforcement. Actually, I've heard

985
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:06.440
stories for years that they've told.

986
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.440
About things that happened that didn't make any sense or

987
00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:10.920
they didn't know what it was.

988
00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:14.000
Well, now, after I've.

989
00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:16.000
Been doing what me and Jim been doing what we've

990
00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:20.159
been doing and getting more experience and learning, I look

991
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:22.000
back in those stories and I'm like, Okay, well this

992
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:23.320
makes total sense.

993
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:26.039
And these are stories that are like you, like he said,

994
00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:30.320
from other deputies that were before him. Even we we

995
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:35.159
have this is one off. I mean we we hear

996
00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:41.159
the story right from the guy right who involved. And

997
00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:46.000
these stories go back to the seventies. Oh yeah, wow,

998
00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:51.039
they that they were deputy sheriffs in the seventies and

999
00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:54.519
they're telling us stories, sitting sitting right across the table

1000
00:58:54.519 --> 00:58:57.880
from us, telling us his story. Of fact, Joe's recorded

1001
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:03.119
some of them on their stories that you know, one

1002
00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:05.039
right to us. This is what I saw, this is

1003
00:59:05.079 --> 00:59:07.239
what I did, this is what we did. You know,

1004
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:09.440
this has been going on in this area for a

1005
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:10.760
long long time, you know.

1006
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:16.000
And yeah, I'd heard some a lot of these stories

1007
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:21.480
just through the rumor mill, through people telling, you know, talking, Well,

1008
00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:23.880
when I when i'd hear a story and it involved

1009
00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:26.880
law enforcement, I went straight to the horse's mouth, said, hey,

1010
00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:30.239
here's what I've heard. What's the story, and and they've

1011
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:32.400
told me, you know, and it's.

1012
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:36.119
Some of it. You know, the story got blowed out

1013
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:36.599
of proportion.

1014
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:40.400
When I heard from natural deputy it was honestly better

1015
00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:44.119
than the stories that were being told about them. And

1016
00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:47.000
so I've tried to document that and start keeping that,

1017
00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:49.559
and it's amazing.

1018
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:54.360
We could probably tell twenty or thirty different stories like police,

1019
00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:56.039
you know. You know.

1020
00:59:56.920 --> 00:59:59.840
Yeah, we're trying to kind of because some of these

1021
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:03.039
some of these officers have passed on now, so I'm

1022
01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:08.159
glad stories and go and document them, you know, if

1023
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:08.840
I can keep that.

1024
01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:12.840
Two of them passed, I think since then. But we

1025
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:14.320
started a web on Facebook.

1026
01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:18.239
It's called the Squatchers t H E S q W

1027
01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:21.639
A t C H g R S. We started putting

1028
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:23.480
some of our sounds up on there. We've put some

1029
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:27.639
of our presentation photos up there, and we've we've been

1030
01:00:27.639 --> 01:00:30.960
putting pictures up there also, so if anybody wants to

1031
01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:33.199
check them out and boy, feel free to share them

1032
01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:35.679
or use them Bank question ask us.

1033
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:39.119
We've been very blessed to have done presentations with like

1034
01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:43.599
Ron Morehead, Wild Blackburn, and you know, so we've we've

1035
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:49.320
been with some rock stars. Yeah, so Scott Nelson, I

1036
01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:50.119
was geeking out.

1037
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:52.000
That's awesome.

1038
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:56.400
I mean, yeah, we'll definitely have the the links.

1039
01:00:56.039 --> 01:00:57.800
For that in the show notes.

1040
01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:00.360
And I'm just a huge fan that you guys are

1041
01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:07.119
also able to record and preserve people's encounters too, you

1042
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:10.280
know that. I think it's very important that that we

1043
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:13.039
do that and that those aren't lost to time. So

1044
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:16.559
that's that's a very cool thing that you've been doing

1045
01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:17.000
as well.

1046
01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:19.639
You know, I'm not I'm not knocking.

1047
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:23.119
I don't mean to sound this way, but with BFRO,

1048
01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:28.440
we tried to we tried to turn our stories into

1049
01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:34.079
bfro O and they just I think they just they

1050
01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:36.599
didn't have the time. I don't know if they get

1051
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:40.079
in inundata was so much or what, but we just

1052
01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:42.039
couldn't really seem to get an interest on it. So

1053
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:44.639
we just started documenting everything ourselves.

1054
01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:45.159
You know.

1055
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:50.880
That's why I posted those on that Bigfoot Macing project, because.

1056
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:53.000
Because we couldn't get the BFRO to put them up.

1057
01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:57.199
But I think they're honestly, I believe they don't have

1058
01:01:57.320 --> 01:02:02.119
enough investigators and they're just overwhelm with reports. And the

1059
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:05.880
crazy thing is, we've had at least three of our

1060
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:09.199
BFR representatives sitting right down here on our deck talking

1061
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:12.719
with us, and we've taken them out with us and

1062
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:17.119
and we've actually done a night investigations with some of

1063
01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:21.480
them and still can't get our sightings put up on

1064
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:24.559
their site or something. It's crazy. I don't understand it.

1065
01:02:26.440 --> 01:02:29.679
That's that is, that's very strange. But I think that

1066
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:34.239
you are you're you're doing you know, the right thing

1067
01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:37.760
where you're just putting it out there yourself and you

1068
01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:40.159
know you're not letting that that stop you and you're

1069
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:42.119
just you know, kind of going for it. So I

1070
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:46.360
love that you are doing that. I think I found

1071
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:49.880
one of your reports on big Foot Mapping project when

1072
01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:54.840
I was doing some research. Yeah, guys, it has been

1073
01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:58.960
a pleasure chatting with you and I you know, maybe

1074
01:02:58.960 --> 01:03:02.559
we can even talk again sometime in the future. It

1075
01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:06.719
feels like it's just going to get more wild for you,

1076
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:09.960
Jim and Joe. But thank you so much for coming

1077
01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:12.840
on the show and definitely keep me in the loop

1078
01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:15.760
with anything else that you guys run across out there.

1079
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:19.360
Yeah, we will. We definitely appreciate you having a song.

1080
01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:26.000
Well, Jeremiah, it's been a pleasure of enjoyed doing it

1081
01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:29.360
and enjoy and getting to share how this all got started.

1082
01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:32.679
And yeah, if you ever want to, you know, do

1083
01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:33.280
another one.

1084
01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:35.039
We've got more stories.

1085
01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:38.280
Just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank

1086
01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:42.400
you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast.

1087
01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:45.599
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1094
01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:09.239
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1095
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:13.280
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1096
01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:17.199
Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

1097
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:22.840
Here's the list. The Subtle Lake area of Oregon, Rainbow, Oregon,

1098
01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:28.519
McKinsey Bridge area, sweet Home pretty much that entire area,

1099
01:04:29.079 --> 01:04:32.360
the north part. If you get what I mean, I'll

1100
01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:35.840
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