It Touched My Head Through the Tent! | Idaho

0:00 You're listening to Big for Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the. Voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all I Big for Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Gina and Steve today. Gene and Steve are a couple that I reached out to through a comment that I saw on Facebook and we got connected that way.

0:44 They're out there in Idaho. They've had some interesting things happen over the years. Welcome to the show, Gene and Steve. How are you guys doing today? Thank you wonderful, great, fantastic. Definitely had some interesting conversation about Idaho in the past, so it'll be interesting to see where this conversation takes us as well. Out there but guys, we did talk about before the show started is that I think it would be best if we went through this chronologically, and so we'll have you start with what you think that the first experience that you may have had out there is.

1:25 Okay. It started in the bisentennial day of the United States, and the nineteen was around nineteen ninety eight. That show is Nobbe seventy seven. I was about thirteen and me and four of my friends were walking west of my hometown. This is in New York, up between the Saint Lawrence River and the Ironic Mountains, and we were headed west to a bridge that's a popular hangout and we would quike up the road which was abandoned and tore up or the railroads. So this day we decided to take the tracks to the bridge, and we got about two thirds of the way there. It's only about a mile and a half walk from town to this bridge and down the tracks. It was a section that was straight as a narrow for quite a ways and it's heavily wooded.

2:19 That part of the state's pretty heavily wooded. We saw something about a quarter mile up the tracks that crossed the tracks in two steps. It was on two legs. It was very large, and we all stopped because we were totally flattergasted by what we saw. And we didn't elaborate on anything. We just all agreed that it was time to head back to town. It was in the summer, early afternoon, and that's that one. So that's my first time I saw anything. My second experience was I was camping alone in a tent host city, which is just southeast of Boise a bit, and I was solo camping.

3:06 I was in a creek area. This was in nineteen eighty seven, and I went to sleep and about four o'clock in the morning, I didn't hear any noises, no thumping around or anything, but I had something grabbed my head through the tent. And in those days, the dome tents were really small, so your head was up against the wall of the tent, if that makes sense. And I felt something grab my head and pull away really fast, and it happened four or five times within about i'd probably say about five minutes, and it was still dark out, and I attributed that to probably rodent or squirrel something like that. But later on hearing other people's stories about being touched to tent walls. I went, that's probably what I That's probably what it was, because there wouldn't be anything that early in the morning walking around and I wouldn't think so. But anyhow, if you have any questions about that, feel free.

4:10 Absolutely so. When you say it grabbed your head, was it like it was trying to palm your head like a basketball or it was like a small hand that was just trying to like gently. I felt several digits touched my head at the same time, so it was more like a grasping touch. But the more I think about it, have you ever seen like a chimpanzee or something touched something real quick and pull her hand back. Yeah, it was like that. And there was no noise, no odor, nothing other than that. I went back to sleep and I woke up. That was my second kind of retrospect experience that I had. So what was your It's pretty wild that happened four to five times at all. Really, I've been a situation in a tent where something was walking around outside that pretty much made me just.

5:03 Made me go nuts. How is your emotional state when you were experiencing something touching your head the tent? I was just go away, leave me alone. Shoo sh git. But another thing too that's important is I don't think there was any noise because the area I had my can't pitch down was very mossy. It was creekside, so it was like a lot of watercress and water moss. It was dry, but it was very comfortable, and that's why I decided to set my can up there for the evening. I didn't hear anything or smell anything. It was just it was weird, but I attributed it to just a nuisances At the time. I didn't think of what else it could have been. But over the years listening to other people's experiences on your podcast and others, that that might not been a roadent that night.

5:50 Yeah. Absolutely. And so you mentioned that it was a mossy area. Did you notice anything out of the ordinary in the area around your camp site when you got up the next day? There were no tracks, My camp gear was undisturbed. I really didn't see anything out of the ordinary. To give you a little background, I served in the military. I'm my combat veteran. I'm an avid outdoorsman. I was trained and survival by one of the TV celebrity survivalists, and it's not I don't know what is going on, but at the time, it was just seeking for the obvious of what it could be. And I didn't feel bothered, wasn't scared. I didn't have any overwhelming emotions or feelings going through my body at the time other than the fact that I got woke up when I was sleeping. Good.

6:40 Absolutely, so that background makes more sense than why you weren't really freaked out because you were trained to deal with high pressure, high stress situations, is what it sounds like. Did you have any bruising on your head at all that you noticed the next day? No? No, it was very gentle. It was like I wasn't any more forceful then you touching the basketball, sitting on the ground, just touching. It was just a touch, a really small squeeze, and then a quick withdrawal, and that happened four or five times. Have you been back to that area ever. No, I've moved away from that area since then. But as we progressed later on, up there are a few areas I just won't I won't go back into you.

7:24 I would probably go back up there again. I don't think i'd be I don't think i'd feel bad about going back in there. Absolutely, Steve. That's quite a way to start things off for you. Where in your sighting in seventy six, you so you saw something on two legs across the tracks. Did you notice any details about the thing that was crossing the tracks in front of you? It was really large. We all stopped. We didn't say just our eyes were like wide open looking at each other. What the heck was that? And if you look at the at a set of railroad tracks, you have the tracks themselves which are what probably about six feet wide, and then you've got eight foot of gravel on either side of those rails going back into the to the forest.

8:14 That thing walked across the tracks and two steps. It just looked weird to us, and it was big, and like I said, it was a straight shop. So it's like we were looking through kind of like a tree. Don't cover the tracks at all, but it was like looking through a keyhole. It was just it was there. We all saw it, and it was It really freaked us out, but we just stopped, didn't discuss it, turned around and walked off. And we were twelve or thirteen years old there was a couple of guys older than me, a couple younger than me, but we all just looked at each other and decided it would be a good idea to turn around and walk back to town. Absolutely how far away from you, guys, was it again? About a quarter of a mile down the tracks?

8:54 Okay, gotcha, but you could see it. It was like a straight shot down the tracks. You can see forever on those things. Oh. Absolutely, so very interesting stuff right off the bat. Feel free to continue, guys. My next one was in the mid nineties, and this one's kind of going to be a little more intense than the other one, and the reason being that the area has a history. So I was in the South Hills of Idaho at the time. My first Idaho experience I lived in. I was stationed at Mountain Home Air Force Base, and I was living in Boise. I was going to school and so i'd commute later on in life. I was in the Minnecaja area, which would be Cagua County in Minnedoka County, in an area called the South Hills, particularly an i Rockland Canyon or Rock Creek excuse me, Rock Creek Canyon, and it's a pretty heavily used recreation area.

9:48 I was a little southeast of that area in an area called Skyline Ridge and as a ridge that divides two valleys. And I was sitting in a creek called Rash Canyon, Rash Creek, excuse me, Rash Creek. And I was sitting on the sagebrush hillside overlooking a creek, the creek itself that was filled with Lake Tooley's And I was there about a half an hour and everything went quiet, no birds, no bugs, nothing. And the weird thing was the air got very stifled. It was kind of like being a donut and one of those donut glass cover things that you see in diners. It was just stifled, and the air, the light had like a very light hue of yellow, kind of like a watered down lemonade color.

10:44 It was really weird. And so I was sitting there just waiting for the deer to come hump and down through the creek bed because it was hunting. And I had a canalope sized rock land to my right by about twenty feet, and it thumped and rolled down down the hill into the creek bed. So I automatically thought someone was messing with me, and so I stood up, and I turned around and yelled, hey, knock it off, I'm trying to hunt. Leave me alone. Whatever. And as I when I stood up to do that, I witnessed another rock, slightly smaller, lobbed out of the tree line, which was about seventy five feet behind me where the first rock came from. Right. I don't know where the first rock came from. It could have been that same spot I wasn't looking at, just saw it land and rolled down the hill. So the smaller rock comes out.

11:39 It was lobbed out of the trees. I heard some stomping around a little bit, and I got really nervous, so I chambered around in my rifle excuse me, and I immediately started walking back down the trail back to my four wheeler, which was probably about a quarter mile away. And I wanted to know if it was someone messing with me, So I paralleled the trail in hopes of drawing whatever was behind me to the side of me so I could get an eyeball on it, and that whatever it was it knew where I was at the whole time. And when I stopped, I was screamed at.

12:26 And I've heard various screams online and it sounded like a woman just getting gutted. It was terrible, and the minute I started moving again, the screaming would stop. And I just finally tried navigating back to the trail. I wasn't that far off of it, but it was pretty thickety and rocky, so it's hard to navigate on foot. And then there was some thumping, like really loud thumping now like tree thumps, Like it had a log and it was thumping the ground, and we did I went up with a friend the next day and we did find a fence post sized log that looked like it had been beaten on, but it was thumped on the ground like dump that fast. And I was like, there's no way a man could thump the post on the ground that fast. It was just it was ridiculous. So with that said, I ended up getting back to my four wheeler, firing it up high tailing it out of there, and I had this sensation that I was being chased.

13:37 I just call it spider sense, whatever you want to call the ebgb's whatever. I was like going down the hill way faster than I needed to be going, but I felt impending doom the fear factor was high, and for me, I don't really get spooked by too much, but that scared the living crap out of me. Got back to my truck, and when I got off the four wheel and shut it off, I noticed that the atmosphere had changed back to what it was prior to my experience. The bugs were out, the birds were out, the color of the air was different, and so I looked it up my machine and I got home. And now that I'm talking about it shakes me up just a little bit thinking about it, more so than I have, but that was pretty much it. Next day, me and my friend went up there. We went back up on the trail, showed them where I sat. We found this, Like I said, it was about a fence posts size piece of log eyeing sitting on the trail. There was nothing, and it was a part of the trail that I had walked up into and it wasn't there before, so I'm assuming. And then we found some divots in the ground from it that were a couple of inches deep and had to curve the curvature of the log. So something was in there beating that pole on or that piece of wood on the ground. And it was pounding it fast. That was pretty much it for that one.

15:03 That's some wild stuff, Steve. You're crazy, you're gutsy dude to to start paralleling whatever that was. It was a human, yeah. And then when I heard the screaming, it was like, this is not what I think it is, and I just need to get my keyster out of here. There's two areas that are nearby. It's a City of Rocks National Monument. It's a rock formation monument as unusual rock formations, and it's also a place where a lot of world class rock climbers go to climb the various rock features. And then Alba Park and Albion, Mount Harrison, Oakley, those would be some other that. That area is southern idahosts spread out, So I got it. I can landmarks will probably bounce you in the right area versus towns.

15:55 Okay, So it's just on a map, it shows up as a pretty big green area underneath Albion, this whole area we're talking about, all right, I got it. Cool, Thank you, I appreciate that. And also historically on Mount Cleveland there's like a crater lake up there, and if you hike up on the back side of that, there's an old scout camp that used to be up there, and they don't camp up there anymore. I've heard I've heard of stories when I lived down there of things running around up there. I didn't at the time. I didn't think too hot heart on that. It's just I deal with the obvious. I'm a pretty straightforward, logical guy. I just I don't. It was just a weird experience.

16:37 That one was. That was probably my most fearful experience for me personally. Absolutely, I'm gonna let. My wonderful I'm gonna let my wonderful wife cut into our first camping trip up to an area that it's the night doc man, Are you gonna do the dog man? No? The next one that was in order. So this is prior. This was prior when me meeting from me meeting Steve in late nineteen nineties, about around I was trying to figure out they are probably about ninety seven some friends an I and this is in town and we live in Idaho Falls, and it was in town on not terribly busy street on weekdays, but it's definitely a part of town and it's residential. And then there's some businesses on this older street in town, and so we were at dinner across town with.

17:35 Five of us. There were five adults, my father and some friends celebrating at a dinner, and I got a phone call from a friend that had a couple of drinks that she lived on this older street in this other part of town and asked if I could give her a ride. She didn't want to drive, and I said, we're finishing up with dinner. I'll have them drop me off there and I will drive your vehicle home and they'll pick me up. And she said okay, So I said, give me a half hour. We get over there. And there's only street parking and alley parking, and again it's an. Older part a town. So we parked in the back and walked in. I grabbed her and they decided to stay and have a quick beer while to give me time to get her home.

18:15 So we exited on the street side and she said, oh, I parked two buildings down in the little parking lot. So as we're walking down to the parking lot, her truck was in the middle of the parking lot, the only truck out there. So we're walking through and as we approached her truck this thing, and it was tangible. I shake my head. Because I'm still blown away by this. It was on two legs, and I said, don't look at it. She started screaming, and I said, cover your eyes, don't look at it. I had no fear, surprisingly, and it was walking towards her truck. It was probably about six to seven feet tall, really lanky, long arms and long fingers, and I was looking peripheral. I didn't want to look.

19:02 For some reason, I just knew not to look in his eyes. They were reddish, and so I said, just keep your head on the truck and walk calmly and just act like you don't acknowledge it. And then a lot of times I've heard that that that helps. So we walked and in the meantime, she's screaming and covering her eyes, and I just told her to be quiet and not so nice of words, and she's fumbling for her reached down to start fumbling for her keys, and as I'm trying to open the door, she's standing. For some reason, I sensed that this thing wanted her, and. I put her behind me, and it was still walking up towards the truck and then she notified me that she didn't have the door key to that door, so we had to back up. I said, back up and walk around to the other side. We're not going to run, We're not going to be scared, and she's just panicking.

19:52 So I pushed it, not pushed her, but guided her while I was facing that thing, but my head was looking sideways and I was trying to get it good visual from my prophil vision. It was that closed. It was probably about ten feet at that point. We walked around to the other side of the truck. This thing was by the tire and I was three feet from it, and it was leaping or not leaving. It had gone down on all fours and it was swaying, swaying side to side, but obviously intent on looking behind me at her. It was the strangest thing, and I was very calm. Got her in and I literally had to walk back around the truck and.

20:32 I faced it the whole time. I backed up and she opened the driver's side got in. As I got in, this thing leaped up on the hood and we shut the doors, unlocked them, and her head was down and I was putting the key in ignition and my head was down. I was trying to look at it through the corner of my eye to get a full visual and get as many details as possible. The truck was literally lobbing side to side too, that's how much pressure it was putting. And this lasted for probably about twenty seconds. And in the meantime, the party that I was with had gotten in the truck and come down the alley and stopped. The headlights were there and stopped, and they saw it as well, and it stopped moving and bouncing, the truck side to side, and it leaped clear across the entire parking lot and alley into a residential yard, over a fence, and we have no idea where it went after that. The truck I hadn't moved yet. I was still calm, but wondering what the heck just happened. And the other truck of the party I was with pulled up and said what was that?

21:37 And I said, I don't know, I don't know. I just need to get her home. Just follow me. So we did that, and all the way there, she said, what was that? What was that? I said, just I don't know. We'll talk about it tomorrow. Let's just get you home anyway, So we were all silent. Once I got her home and I got in the truck, and they were like, what the heck was that? What happened? And I said, I don't know, I don't know. I just need to get home, just being I guess it was my coping mechanism, just to just get home. Once I got inside, I was shaking it crazy and I spent AOL was the big thing at that time, so I was on online on my big computer looking at anything and everything to try to figure out what this thing was. But I did write down the description so I wouldn't forget, and I did never find anything.

22:21 I looked at chupicabras, I looked at werewolves and they were just too furry, and I had no idea what this thing was. But since podcasts, I have heard multiple descriptions that I'm like, I know what it was. It was a dog man. I'd never heard of such a thing, so I'm almost certain that's what it was. And that's and then she called me the next morning at five o'clock in the morning. Did we see what I thought we saw it? And I said, I don't know, why didn't you describe to me what you think you saw, and her description was right online. It was on target, and I said, yes, we did so anyway, But that's been It makes me shape thinking about it. It's so real and I've told the story to friends and it's just I don't know what it was. And I hope I never see one again.

23:04 Wow, that man. So dog Man is a thing where if it comes up organically in the episode, then I'm cool with it. I will never as of right now, I'll never really pursue after it, but man, it is. I don't know how to handle it. Because you hear these stories and you're like, there's I've never heard a good one. It is always extremely potentially violent or going after the people. You hear some bigfoot stories and it's, oh, help my kid who got lost, or helped get the rock off my leg and I could get back home, but it doesn't happen in these So were you able three feet away is really close? Were you able to see facial features?

23:50 Yes? Yes, I wrote this description down because I was looking online and I wanted to have every detail. I didn't want to forget anything. And I can tell you this thing was long and lanky, it had odd legs, and it's again I'm looking peripheald. I initially I saw walking up and then I just knew not to look at it. Once I saw red eyes on might turn your head, but I had my I was looking and trying to get every detail I could, and that close. It had the gray, pasty skin. A lot of skin was showing, but lots of toughs of furs sporadic throughout the whole thing. The upper arms had fur, the hands did not have much fur, and they were really long, jointy fingers, and when it got down on all four I could see those as it swayed back and forth. It had a pointy face chin area, and it had ears, pointy ears.

24:48 It had sparse black fur. The fur was all. Black throughout in various areas, and then the skin again pasty gray. It had the red eyes. I didn't see teeth, wasn't like snarling or anything. And it didn't make noise that was anything noteworthy. Just hearing it breathe. It didn't growl, and I felt like I almost like it couldn't see me like it it wasn't allowed. It was the strange thing. I felt very protected and I was calm, and my voice was just like this. I can't believe that I didn't scream myself. But it had okay, the ears, the hair on its head, on the top of the head, a little bit of hair on the ears, but there was a lot of skin showing as well. And again the pointy snout if you will, snow, it wasn't like a full on dog nose. It was a little bit smaller.

25:45 And yeah, the eyes that the eyes were just creepy as heck, they were big. But the arms, oh, and then the lace. There was something really odd about the legs, and unfortunately I couldn't see them close up because the body was in front of it. And this, oh, the spine. It definitely had an odd spine. It was like curvature curve punched back over spine. And you could see the gosh, I don't know, the rolls in it, like a. Vertebrae. Yeah, thank you, honey. You could definitely see that vertebrae. And it was thicker up top than it was on the lower portion of the body. And I wish I could have seen the feet and the legs bitter, but the arms were more to the side too. The arms were not like ours are.

26:32 They were more out to the side, and I get probably because when they when he went over on all fours, he was swaying side to side, so his elbows were out facing out instead of behind ours kind of face back. These were definitely facing out. And then the swaying, the swaying, there was just so much horse in the swinging and that it literally was bouncing the. Truck side to side. It was crazy. But it had its face right up there in the windshield and my head was down and hers was in her hands, and we just sat. There for a second and then it leapt. It leapt. It was quite a distance that it left. That parking lot was about how big is that parking lot? Steve?

27:13 Maybe maybe Yeah, it's not a parking lot, but it was big enough. And then the alley, it just it leaked really high up over a fence and I didn't see it after that. Crazy. Uh, that's wild, it really is. I want to make sure I got something right. So the shape of the face did not necessarily have a super obvious like dog snout like you usually see you with dog Man. It was a little different. And you're saying it wasn't as bad I expect. Okay, so I envisioned dog Man. Once I heard about dog Man, I thought werewolf. That's all I could think of as the old werewolf with this big, huge snout. It did have a snout, but it wasn't as big as I would say for the face. It wasn't as big as you would consider the old school were wolf. But it definitely had a doggish snout. It just wasn't really it wasn't pronounced. It was maybe like a three inch 'm just speculating nose snout. But the mouth it was like a dog snout, but it wasn't like huge like you would expect in the old werewolf movies.

28:27 Was it more like a dog's nose than or like a human s nose? It was both. It's the strangest thing. It was both. I was trying to figure out, is this a I have no idea. I have no idea, but it dog Man is the definitely. Now that I've looked up different drawings that people have seen and heard about it on podcasts, Now that I'm aware of that dog Man, I finally think I have my answer of what it was. But back then I was like, this is a demon? Is this a I've heard of chubcog and I've actually heard of those around here as well. There are tales of choopicabra, and I thought, okay, what is the chrip of carobress? So I started researching that, thinking that might be what this thing is, and there was nothing close it. Definitely dog Man is the is what I could If I were to pick what this thing was, I would definitely say dog Man.

29:19 Wow. And I don't have the background of where I know basic things about dog Man, like Land between the Lakes Kentucky. Is this area known for sightings that are similar to this? Or was this a pretty rare thing to see something like this and Ida at Falls? Well, probably pretty rare. I have told a few people, and I do have one friend that said that he had seen something similar at one time, but it's nothing I've ever. Heard of before. But honestly, with so six of us adults total saw this thing, and if I would have been alone, I would have questioned my own sanity because it was the strangest thing in the strangest populated location. And I've lived here all my life, so it was just I don't even know. I would think I was crazy and I.

30:07 Wouldn't tell the story if I didn't have so many witnesses. Yeah, that's the wild thing is, as you said, there are so many witnesses to this. Were there. I wonder if there was any like security camera footage of that that a parking lot. Probably not. Back in the day, it was a pretty it's an older area, kind of old buildings that had a couple of little businesses in them, but it wasn't a real popular. I don't. I doubt the parking lot would have. I don't know. Also, it's ninety seven, so yeah, it's a little different time period. How did this affect you guys afterwards? Was it hard to move on from this encounter? Or I guess you can talk for yourself specifically.

30:59 Yeah, we discussed multiple times, but just being awe. I know one the couple that was with I was at dinner with our friends. They didn't want to talk about it. It was it breaked them out that they just didn't want to talk about it. My father, who has since passed it, was also with us and we talked about it and he was just like, I have no idea what that. Was, and I can't believe that you it was so calm. I was so calm. And the girl that was that I picked up that night, I don't talk to her see her often, but for weeks on end we were online looking actually months and still to this day. When I met Steve years later in two. Thousand and nine, I told him about it and he was helping me. So it's been on my mind often.

31:43 And my kids when I got home and I told them about it, they were teenagers and they helped me look online and they still talk about it. So it's something that well, I'll never forget. I've told this story so many times. I've been trying to create imagery using what you have given me for descriptions, and it is. It's absolutely horrifying stuff. Probably have nightmares from this. Just the way it looks is Cralind. I'll be fine, but I'm just saying I can't imagine what you went through being there. Yeah, I did have some dreams and I my daughter asked me right after that, after she had heard about it.

32:24 I told him just be careful when you guys are out. This thing really happened, and Grandpa can verify it. Your dad can verify it, and can verified. And I was concerned I said, but I knew it didn't want me, and I haven't seen it since. That's good, that's great. Have you ever looked into something called the pale Crawler at all or the rake anything I've done? Yeah? I have, and actually Stup pulled those up for me and I as far as the fingers and the color of the skin and the lurkiness about it, that if if they would have had fur and the ears and the pictures he'd brought up and then I that would have been a close kind of description of the lankiness and the eerie crowing this about it. Whatever, it was creepy.

33:14 And I'm with you with the dog man thing. I don't care about. If I see Bigfoot, great, I'm not worried about that well as much. But if I ever see this thing again, anytime I even hear dog man, I get chills. I don't want anything to do with that. Yeah, that's time I want anything to do with Did. You ever. Go ahead? Sorry, I got one more question, then we'll move on from We'll move on from this one. But did you ever go in back into the restaurant or any businesses in that area and be like, hey, we saw something weird out in the parking lot, and have you guys ever heard anything else. Anything like that? I did ask one of the businesses there a little later and that they hadn't heard of anything. And I didn't really go back into that one and asked. I didn't know them well enough that I got to go as public talking to anybody or telling the story. For a while, I just spent a lot of time on all just looking. But yeah, if I ever hear anything or I'll let you know if there's an exciting or anything of another one.

34:16 All right, I appreciate you you sharing that with us. I know I can only imagine man if I experience that something like that, I would still be dealing with things from that from to this day. So thank you for going back to that point in your life for a few minutes. But so well after that, what else did you guys experience? Oh? Okay, we have a couple of really good ones together. They are bizarre. So all that's takes off like. The old commercials. Wait, there's more. Okay, Back in two thousand and nine, Oh, I wanted to add something to you to since you're the researcher, I'm going to give you a more pinpointable location or area if you go to the bfr O website, which I did because I was trying to figure this thing out. On that little honey incident, there's two other incidences in that area where a gentleman was cutting wood and he's been featured on a television show about his account. He left his trailer, he was cutting wood, He left his trailer and saw up there and got out of there because he saw something huge looking down at him on a hillside while he was cutting wood. And then in another incident, there was a Cajut County sergeant dispatcher and her grandson who were aggressively accosted by what she described as a sasquatch that actually she saw him. It charged at him in Wallstrom Hollow. So I was in that general area. I wasn't.

35:44 I was a little more east, but about the same latitude as those other two site. It's in the same general area. So I piqued my interest at that, but I got more to go. Does that help you out. Any Yes, that helps out. I'll have to look into that. As Cashia County, Idaho. It looks ye Gaga County, Okay. Cool cool Okay. So in two thousand and nine, actually two thousand and eight, went with some friends and their adult kids. To give you a little background on this. My friend, I'm not going to mention his name, but he's a Zuni Navajo, very spiritual, and we had talked about what he calls the Bigfoot, our old people, people that have lived here away before we have, and he says, I know of a few spots where something might happen, and it's a cool place and everything. So we ended up going. It's in between led Or, Idaho and Mackie, Idaho. It's that ridge right between it just south of what's that Lake Meadow Lake Meadow Lake is another crater lake on the top of the hill. We're on the back side of that down below in a canyon called the Meadow Canyon, and we had set up up camp early in the day and if you look to the west, there's this really scenic alpine picturesque, I mean, it's really paintable mountain and there's a trail that heads north to the right,

37:16 and then the left fork takes you down further west where there's a bunch of caves on the side of the hill and a lot of slate sandstone kind of stuff. But this particular time we decided to hike up the trail to see what was up in there. And so another one of his son's friends had a Magellan GPS and I had a garment, and so we were just interested in the sea, which one performed a little better. So we had taken some survey tape out of our backpacks and we did waypoints and tied a piece of survey tape onto a limb or roughly over the point where we had made the waypoint to see who was going to be more accurate finding the waypoints on the way back. And so we hiked in. I know, it was about a mile and a half two miles. It's pretty steep. We're at it well over seventy five hundred feet, so you don't want to unless you're in really good shape.

38:15 You want to over glet yourself up that high. But we got towards the end of the trail and there's a big pile of slady earth, this kind of combination of slate granite earth, and there was this cedar tree that was really weird when we looked at it because all the branches on the tree had been knocked off. It looked like something had wrapped its hands around this tree. It was probably about eight inches in diameter and just snapped up all the twigs and branches off to the ground. They were piled up at the trunk and the top part of this tree, the tip of it was split down the middle and it was twisted down and it looked like a hark. It was tied off. It wasn't like snap up, bit was tied in a knot. And the tree was probably about thirty I wouldn't say, I would like to say fifteen to twenty feet tall. This is a long time ago, so I'm just trying to repicture it in my mind, but ain't how The odd thing to me was it was twisted, it was bent down.

39:20 It looked like a heart so it branches spread out and it was twisted down and tied together, like the trunk was split from the top on its way down and tied into a knot. And we felt that was odd, And we turned around to head back to camp, and every once in a while on the way up and on the way back, we were getting whiffs of really musky this human boh. We were questioning each other who didn't shower, but it was really pungent. It was really strong. And didn't see anything or hear anything at all, but the scent was overwhelming. It just wasn't right. But there were still birds flying around and noises in that so I don't know why that would be, but nothing word of that sort was going on. What was really weird is coming back down the trail. We'd hit our wait points and we'd looked for the survey tape and the twigs, and everywhere we had tied survey tape two on the trees, they were snapped off and laying on the ground. I was like, okay, this is like crazy weird. We looked around for footprints, didn't see anything. We thought someone was messing with us. Something was messing with us. So we just continued back down the trail to camp. Before we get to that split in the trail, on the hillside of this picturesque mountain i'm telling you about, I saw about two hundre yards what appeared to me to be a large bear walking on all fours up up towards

40:51 the top of the ridge. It was traversing, so it wasn't going straight up. It was going up at an angle and it was walking on all fours. But it was far enough away and obscured by the tops of these pines and cedars. It appeared to me to be a bear. But now I'm debating on whether or not it was something else again in retrospect. We got back to camp and that was it for that time. Now, the next year I took my now wife along with the same friends to go back to that canyon to camp. I had at the time a big, huge cabin tent as a spring bar. It has a lot of pegs on the bottom of it. There's twelve or fifteen pegs you have to drive in and then tension polls hold the walls up in the roof up. But as we were setting that up and pounding the steaks in, probably need to backtrack a little bit give you a better description.

41:53 When you're pulling into the canyon, the metal part of it, you drive through these woods, it looks like tokens and wood forest is like all these old, dead, twisty trees. There's nothing growing in there, and it's just weird. And that goes for about I don't know, maybe about an eighth of a mile. It's not very long. And then there's a sinkhole and you have to pick up your speed and dright around the edge of the sink hole to navigate into the canyon to the left, and then you're in. And as you straighten out head back west, if you look to the north, there's a cliff wall on another ridge that's not attached to that mountain I was telling about that was probably a couple hundred feet high.

42:35 And that's relevant because when we were pounding the pigs excuse me, we had there were huge boulders getting pushed off the top of that cliff and they were falling down, and we stopped a couple of times, and they're like, what is what's going on? This is totally weird. And when we stopped pounding the pegs in the ground, that stopped all together and nothing else happened until later on in the evening. And that was pretty eventful. So I'll let my wife elaborate on what how what she heard, and we don't have a difference, but it's important for her to describe what she heard versus what I heard.

43:17 Okay, so that night and I we're speculating it was probably about two o'clock, one thirty two o'clock after week set around the campfire, and we went to bed, and I'm not sure how much longer after we had fallen asleep, we both. Woke up and just sprung up. The ground was rumbling. It sounded. I actually said, there's a herd of elk or something running through here. And you could hear it feel it. Whooshed by the tent and the rumbling was so intense it could only be a herd of something, and I thought we were all going to get trampled. We had three tenths sitting there. It was that loud, and that's scary. He jumped up and he grabbed his guy and grabbed his sight, and anyway, I was shaking, and I thought we were going to get trampled. So I let him be my outdoors monody and open the tent. The other people with us did the same thing, but Steve was the first one to look out, and I'll pass that back to him.

44:19 So the site she's talking about, I had a very primitive I still have it. It's a very primitive rush in night vision monocular and it's not the greatest picture, and you can make out shape a couple hundred feet away. And whatnot. So I had grabbed my rifle that I took up there with me and the night vision, and I looked around. I didn't see anything, but I agree with her. We heard a bunch of it was loud. It was bumpy. To me, that's what we, of course, trying to be logical and sensible, alluded to that it was probably a herd of elk or deer or something. But the thumping in the ground vibration it was really it was was a bit more than that, I think. Said.

45:02 We all were looking at one another and that we went to lay back down, and we heard it again, and I stuck my night vision out the tent again. And I had parked my truck a good distance away from the tents because that's where we kept our coolers and stuff, and I didn't want that near the tents. And I looked up at my truck and I saw four large kind of blobs. That's how permittive that night vision sight was. Couldn't make out any great detail, but they were big, and they were on all fours and two of them were in the bed of my truck. And so I picked up my keys out of my coat pocket and I hit the Berncy button, the panic button on my keyfob, and they scattered off and it was the horn went off, the lights were flashing. They took off, But it was weird to be because they were high enough to where it was a Toyota Tacoma and the backs so these humps were almost level with the truck bed. I don't know. I'm thinking in retrospect that maybe there was a group of juveniles or something in there. I don't know. They were just like I said, I didn't have any great detail. These were like eighties seventies, eighties aero technology, nothing like we have today. I've since upgraded them just for that reason, but that was kind

46:32 of weird. Also, earlier in the evening, before it got dark, we hung up some glow sticks in this canyon. There's no one getting back in there. It's twenty one miles from the main road on like a jeep trail up into this meadow. There's no one coming up, and you go up in altitude about twenty five hundred feet. We hung up these glow sticks and we were planking at them with our rifles, and we hit a couple of them, but some of them we left hanging in the tree, and we noticed later on that they were going out, so we thought we'll go over and pick up our pieces. Now, we don't want to be litter bugs. Pick up the pieces of what we shot and what was hanging there. We got over there. The ones that we hadn't hit we hung up. I think it was six white sticks, and we recovered three damaged ones, and we know the other three were just hanging there. None of those were found.

47:26 Couldn't find them. So I can't tell you what happened to him. I don't know, other than the only logical thing would be is something picked those and AM's grade with them. But that was a crazy night for both of us. We all talked about it the next day and just left it at that. My friend we sacked our gas, looking at each other, and then we started talking about the year before, and I'm like, you're right, there's old people up there. I'm thoroughly convinced hers. And we didn't see him. But the next morning it's even wilder. We go to pick sage because we like to smudge our house and smug ourselves with the sage, and at about a certain altitude there's a different variety of sage that smells really pleasant, and so we went down to pick some of that. And so we left camp site with a couple of plastic bags and I had nothing but a tomahawk on me, and we walked down and it was basically i'd probably say, a good third of a mile away from camp back down the road, and we went into that Mirkwood forest area and then there's a clearing after that. Like I said, we got past that and we were in there picking this sage and it was a lot of it. And as we were there probably what maybe ten or fifteen minutes on the ridge line next to us, which is next which parallels that road in through that Mirkwood forest as I describe it,

48:58 there was the sound of charging whatever, trees crashing, huge grunts and growls. It wasn't a bear. I know every animal out here what they sound like, and it was nothing like that. But we didn't see anything. It scared Gina's so bad she started to take off, and I don't blame her. Eyes Like, Gina, don't run if you'll set off a predatory response. And all I got is a tomahawk. So she stopped saying goodness and I caught up to her and we hustled it back to camp and we told my friends about it and they were like, let's just pack up and get out of here, and we didn't. So we cut the weekend short to get out of there because it was just there was too much craziness going on. It really was crazy. So I'm open for questions on that incident.

49:53 Man, oh man, that is a lot happened to you in two days. I want to double check. So when you were looking at your truck, the four large blobs, all of those were on all fours, you said, yeah, but two of. Them were in the bed of the truck. The tailgate was down. Two of them were in the bed of the truck. Okay, so the call my head at the time that had a three inch lift on it. I wasn't super high off the ground, but to have the backs of those humps, that's all I could tell you is they looked I could say they were more bear like, but what's the likelihood of having I don't know. They could have been bears, but I don't think so. Because the weight of the running that we experienced beforehand was crazy and I didn't see anything the first time I looked out the second time, which was not too long after the first time, I saw those in their tool and they the backs of them went up almost to the top of the bed of the truck, and that would be bigger than a bear. On all fours. We have black bear is up in there, and we do have grizzlies out here, but in that area, you're not likely to see a grizzly. And our next and last final incident will talk about there's there could be grizzlies in there, not likely, but you'd have to be closer to the Rocky mountains and the Continental Divide before you start running into those.

51:21 Have you ever bound back to Medal Canyon again? No? No, no, okay, we're going back there. Yeah, absolutely, Wow. It would take a lot to go back there from you too, if that was a lot of really close stuff for you to deal with. But feel free to to continue with what your next experience was. I know, let's say this will be our last one, I think, and that's it. Really in another area closer to your very interested you vocalized on your podcast how interested you are in this area Palisades Reservoir.

52:02 Oh yeah, dude, Okay. So we're a little northeast of there, like maybe about five or six miles on the south fork of the Snake River accessed it's icy canyon, but he goes back further. It keeps going until the road ends, and you're probably about five or six miles from your Swan Valley incident, and then just down the road a little bit as Pallis hs War. So this was in twenty eleven. Me and my wife wanted to spending overnight in the tent next to the river, and we found this cute little flat spot that you could fit your tent and your pickup truck in, and that was it. And so we set up tent and had a little fire going, just sitting there chilling out. All of a sudden, around eleven thirty, we were just looking over the river and this very large object, probably about two hundred yards away, two hundred and fifty yards away on the other side of the Snake where there's no access road access into that area.

53:17 This large humanoid object came out of the tree line onto the sandbar and it was weaving back and forth like a priming. I mean that I've seen videos of apes, and that's what they do, and I had a five hundred lumen flashlight and I turned it on to see if I could get more detail on what this thing was, and it would just merely walk back into the tree line until I would turn the flashlight out, and then it would come back out and start doing the same thing over again. Now it's even a little more interesting.

54:03 While this is going on, we've got orbs everywhere. Everywhere. There was like probably eight or nine orbs, and there was no color to them, just white, bright white, like they were about the size of undiscustimating, probably like large beach balls, flying all over the place. And when they'd fly near the canyon wall to the south fork of the snake, the canyon walls would illuminate. And we started seeing these things roughly a little bit just before we saw the object, but they were in the distance just starting around when we started seeing this thing, the orbs got closer and we're like going everywhere. It was nutty, and we didn't see anything as far as great detail on that just to silhouette. But it was a crazy night.

54:56 Oh do you want to interject on that incident? It was a crazy night. These lights orbs or whatever they are, they were going there was no formation. I counted between eight and nine. I couldn't. They were moving all over the place, so it's hard to get the exact number, but they were going at ninety degree angles, right. They were going every which way and turning direction up and down, and it. Was like a whirlwind of crazy. So we're already stunned by the silhouette and then all that started happening. We were looking at each other, looking up, looking across the river. This went on for a good half hour, and then finally the orbs disappeared, and we were like, what whiskey tangle foxtrot?

55:38 And we sat down by the fire. We didn't know. We were just in shock, really, and we looked back over across the river and this thing was doing his sway thing. Again, and the orbs were gone. And then he again grabbed his flashlight put it up there, and then it slowly stepped backwards into the woodline again, and that was the end of it. Now you're probably get asked, did you guys sleep? Not really, So we did climb back in the. Tent and listened for every little thing we could hear, and I kept asking him, are you sure that thing nothing can cross the river right, and he said the current's too strong. The currents too strong, And I'm like, I'm hoping you're right, because we didn't know if we were going to be abducted or sasquatster what was gonna happen.

56:22 Would have probably packed up and come home, but we were like, no, we're gonna stay. Yeah we did in the morning nough. So anyway, that was the extent of that one. That's wild boy was there any way? You're looking at it with the light of the flashlight, but it's across the river. Could you tell things like it looked like you had no clothes or if it was. Oh yeah, it was dark. It was just solid dark. Even with a flash light, you would I think you would see some sort of contrast, but it was just dark black. And it was tall. I would say it was probably. I would say it was a good eight to night feet tall. Oh wow. From looking at it, but it would just come out of the tree line far enough you look at the yard, and I had a pretty good flashlight for the time.

57:10 It would just light it up enough for to see like a matt finish to the to whatever it was, and it would just back in to the tree line, avoiding the light, and then when I turned the light off, it would take a couple of seconds and just meander on back out there. And it wasn't like a hurried pace. It wasn't aggressive. It was just weaving back and forth. Whatever that might mean. And I would guess primate language. I had no idea what that means. But that area, I will add palisades in that. There are a few areas and palisades. I will not camp. There are a few areas and palisades. I will not ride my four wheeler through because I've gotten the GBS and I don't ignore the EBGBS anymore. I really don't. That's just your human instinct telling you if something's wrong.

58:00 That whole area. I'm trying to think of that creep down there, McCoy Creek. Yeah, McCoy Creek has got a lot of stories down in there, off podcast on podcast with Bfroro and that people we know that around here. The biggest thing is it's I'm not saying they're accepted, but it's it's approached nonchalantly in other words, that they yeah, you're going to see stuff out there. Pretty much attitude since ev Lacercion's eighty five, and I just give you everything that I've seen at is weird. But you are right about Palisades. There's a lot of weird stuff going on down around that area, and we want far from it. But if you ever get a chance to come out and visit, have a look around there, and you'll see it's like prime habitat.

58:41 It's beautiful. Gotcha. I had a feeling ever since that one the one episode I did with the older guide Hunter Gentleman, and he just had some wild stories about about Palisades. But I'm definitely going to look up McCoy creek. Get one more question for you about the humanoid figure that you saw. So when you shine a flashlight at a human, usually most humans they'll react where they're gonna like win cover their face light. They didn't do anything like that. Did not do anything like that. It just wopped. It just kind of walked slow paced backwards and just went into the tree. Light. Now, so all you have is two lea's. It's just basically rushing olive and too le's in there, so it's a thick brush and then you'll have if there's cows on that side, you'll have probably some cow trails busted through there and whatnot. But he would just go or it would just go back into the tree line until I turned the flashlight off and it would come out and there was enough light from the moon that you could see it okay without the flashlight.

59:41 But it was just black and tall. It wasn't very thick though it was. It was pretty. I wouldn't say super skinny. It was kind of like, I don't know, like looking at a I wouldn't say a basketball player, more like just a football player, but not like a pro football player at all. Yeah, definitely buffed out from. Our distance, from our distance cross the river. The other thing I noticed is that, so this is back in twenty eleven. Have you guys called it quits then for going out and doing crazy camp stuff. No, No, we still go out. I just was out hunting by myself yesterday yesterday and in an area. That's that as far as I know. There's nothing going on up in there, but knowing my knowing my history, and I don't know, like the there's two emojis, the pool emoji and the magnet emoji. I don't know, but yeah, I found it all day I hunt by myself once in a while. I'd like to hunt with a friend or someone, but during the week and everybody's working, and that was like my only free time, and the weather hasn't been that great out here.

1:00:43 So yeah, I would go back to the last camp spot for sure. Net Canyon, no way, and heck would I go back there. So absolutely no. Where we're at, there's the areas. We've been talking about, I would imagine, and most of them, besides bigfoot, have pretty big predators in their listeners. Oh, you need to be very cautious about places, and that's why. That's why I always pack a fire them. And when you're out here in the wilderness, so you get a lot of tours that come in through here and they're just totally nonchalant to the fact that they're part of the food chain. That's really what it amounts to. I don't ever go out without something that will do substantial damage to a bare sized animal. I will work it that way, whether it be a twelve good shotgun or a ten milimeter or a rifle of some kind. I usually carry an M one and a out there if I'm not just as a camp gun. But yeah, you don't want to go out there without being armed and isolated.

1:01:48 Camp areas now campgrounds, we would and we have on camping multiple times in between these that these are just when we've had encounters of some sort or odd things happened. Yeah, absolute in our experience is the only aggression that I really witnessed was when we were picking the sage out of all mine, that's the only really aggressive. I felt terrified when it was like a false charge and it was just it was going through everything in its path and it got probably oh less than sixty feet away from us, but we couldn't see it because it's really thick, and like I said, it was just full of dead wood and it was crazy. But whatever, it was totally unfamiliar to me and sound and we got out of there. It was like time to go.

1:02:36 It's just too flipping weird. Just a fascinating group of experiences that you have had in some really interesting areas that for the most part, there's a lot of new stuff. I would be interested to hear if any listeners have experienced stuff by what was the that creek again, it was McCoy Creek. That sounds interesting, Yeah. Yeah, I McCoy creek. I've heard of stories of kids getting stopped, not taken, but something creeping, like spider walking. I've heard stories several stories of spider walking in the grass where they out Apparently they were like outstretched and walking around their fingertips and weird for me, but I've heard stories of that. I've heard people getting spooked by shadows popping down behind their cargo trailers, people's trailers getting bumped and stuff. They've actually evacuated that area a couple of times, and they weren't too descriptive of what was going on. It was just packing crap and get out of here. Something's going on, and something going on.

1:03:39 Yeah, that was. Then the last one was, like I think it was in the ninth or maybe early two thousands, when some hunters came down when I was up there and they said there's something down in the ravine and everybody leaving. We had our kids and we were camping with some friends, and every little camp spot along the way was full, and we were told to get out of there, and we did. Everybody packed up that there was a bear or something, but these hunters said it was not a bear. And that's the only thing I remember from that is, So check into that and see if that might be on the somebody else's side, if it was or recorded somewhere. Absolutely, I've never heard anything like that before. That sounds like it could be an incredible account, So I'll have to do some digging regarding that that would be in the McCoy Creek area as well. Yes, okay, yep, gotcha, gotcha.

1:04:33 Wow. Gene and Steve, thank you so much for coming on the show today and for sharing all the experiences that you've had over the years. I hope maybe these will unlock some memories for other listeners and they can feel free to reach out Bigfoot societygmail dot com or they can leave a comment as well. But thank you so much guys for coming on, and if you ever have anything else happen, feel free to reach out. I'd love to talk to you guys again. I'll definitely keep my eyes and ears open for you because I'm out there quite a bit. So yeah, thank you for having us and bearing with us through our adventures. Hey there, how are you? How good? How are you doing good?

1:05:15 I saw your comment It looked pretty interesting. You've had stuff going on since nineteen ninety eight. Yes, sir, Wow, I'd love to hear about it. Okay, first, I want to start off. I have speech problem problems, so I stutter and sound funny just to let you, just to let the viewers know. But so I'll work at an expedition Bigfoot in Terry Locke, Georgia. Now we're talking, and yes, it's super awesome. I got this job a year ago, but for years, when I told my first story, it was oh, you're crazy, you're crazy, You're crazy. And then years later in up working for a Bigfoot museum.

1:06:01 So it's super exciting. I want to start off with telling you I've been on sash Clutch chronicles. I'm going to go into my story now. Okay. So nineteen ninety eight, I was fifteen years old and I was dating a guy and we were coming up we were coming home, or he was bringing me home. We were coming up our dirt road, which is wildlife management, and we had stopped arguing back and forth. And this guy is super big. He's six foot four, six foot five.

1:06:42 I can't really remember now exactly how big his height is. But we're sitting back and forth, we're arguing stupid teenage stuff whatever. But he looks having. He's like, getting the truck, and I am, I'm going to argue to the end, and I might know we're not So I'm arguing with him and I'm like, no, we're not done. He's like, no, getting a truck. And by the time he's like ghost what and he's like it. Get in the truck. And I look where he's looking and I see this massive creature and it's doing the weaving in between the trees and it's checking us out. It's not aggressive or anything.

1:07:26 It's like, you know what's going on, what's ficking to happen? So it's weaving in and out of the trees and it's about fifty yards from us, and it is super huge, like its shoulder I can't even say a football player that it would be big enough to be shoulder length with because it was so broad. But I'm looking up at this thing and I'm going, oh my gosh, if that thing's real, what else is real? Because I grew up with all kinds of Biggerman stories. And I actually finally get in the truck.

1:08:11 Let's go. It's being super docile as not being aggressive or anything, and we take off. We go to the house and that was the end of it. We talked about it a couple of times. But I'm no longer with this guy, and throughout the years I've lived in the same place, but we've had so many things happen around here. So I've talked to one of your co workers, Amanda. Yeah, Amanda, the big Fit Lady. Yeah, you guys a lot of stuff. Yeah, we have some amazing stories that come in.

1:08:52 I can't imagine. I can't imagine at a place like that. So are you Let's see what was the what's the most recent thing you've. Experienced that period. For me, It's been probably about four years since I've had anything happen around here. But everybody in the neighborhood has had something they finally have went. I think we've heard or seen or had some kind of interreaction with your big foot. And these are the same people that criticized me and thought that I was crazy when I was a kid.

1:09:33 So are people having actual visual satings or what kind of things going on? So my neighbor when she just moved away last year, but my neighbor down here, she was from New York, moved to Florida and then moved up here, and she had called me one night, which she called me all the time about bugs and all kinds of critters. But she called me one night and she's like, Maritha, there is a grizzly bear down here. And I'm like, we don't have grizzlies. And she's like, well, it looks like it's sitting on the bank close to the creek. And she's like, I don't know what it's doing, but it's just sitting there.

1:10:17 She's like, I'm fixing to get my gun. She's like, because it's a grizzly bear, and I might, honey, we don't have grizzly bears. You might see a cinnamon black bear, but we don't have grizzly bears at all. And she was freaking out. But that was her calling me and flipping out. And I was like, I think you're seeing our bigfoot and she's like, what is a bigfoot? Oh? Welcome to the party. Wow. But that wasn't the first time that she's seen it neither, because after that she had seen it at the end of the porch of her house. So she was like, oh, gosh, it's not a bear. It's standing on two legs. It's by pedal, because I had went into all everything telling her like big fits by pedel, bear cat walk very long on their back legs unless they have injured polls, blah blah.

1:11:15 I went to school for wildlife bology. So I'm trying to explain everything to her going and no, I think you're seeing our big thing. Really that area down there are they pretty much for the most part, non aggressive encounters. Now we haven't had we haven't had any aggressive It's all been very docile. That's good. That's good. And I got to get down there someday. Just want to see the museum and just. There's so much. I take reports from the Chattahoochee National Forest at the northwestward, too, is wild.

1:11:59 We just had an encounter in cherry Log. The first one was August seventh, and then a couple of weeks later in the same area there was another encounter. So yeah, you need to come and check it out. We've got major stories that are coming in and out around. Here, I guess. So you're probably talking to people every day about stuff. Yes, I do. But I'm like I'm in my heaven with people coming in talking to me because, like I said, I was treating like the weird child and everybody saying, hey, no, that's not real. And now even my mom she was one that no, rather, you're crazy, but now she's even going.

1:12:52 She calls me constantly because of stuff we hear around the house. And not even around the house. She had her sister owns a property in Alabama and she's coming. She's like, listen to this, and I'm like, oh, are we a bigfoot enthusiast? Now said they're here in like Flisians or. Yeah, around the house, we have something that mimics a dog. And like. My little road, I'm related to every road or or they've been. Around long enough, I'm related to And if that makes sense, yeah, I get it. Yeah, we know all the pets that they have, they've all made the rounds or whatever.

1:13:39 But there is something around here that mimics a dog. And it's not something that's trying to yip like a Cody or anything of that matter. It is something that's trying to It sounds like it's trying to be a coon. Dog, but it's not. You can tell that it's robotic. And then we got sacking. I say something, but it's not something. I'm pretty sure that it is our still our big hairy friend. Yeah, because it likes to mimic a owl too. Oh yeah. Sure. One thing, I was search and rescue back when I was younger, and I had to do training in our forest around here, way back in the forest. And I can't remember what a colony of owls is called, or flock or whatever, but when they.

1:14:36 Start going off, they sound like a bunch of monkeys. Yeah, barn owls. Yes, it's wild and if you grew up in this kind of environment, you know what they sound like. But I've had the neighbors, the family colin be. Like, what is this? This is not our normal stuff, And I'm like, I've been telling you for years. It is. Something that y'all keep telling me. I'm crazy about. That's awesome. Do you have a favorite report that you've taken while working in the museum, Yes.

1:15:16 I do. This one is out of Alabama. But the guy was in the military and they had hunting property in Alabama and he said that they went going in and went hunting everything didn't have lucks that day, and was coming back. Out and lining it going into their hunting property. There's I don't know if it's big bushes of saw grass or what it was that he kept saying, but it was bushes, and he said he walked in and was coming back out and he stopped and noticed that there was an extra bush and that they had fired too scared too, scared it off and everything, and it just stood up and.

1:16:01 Was like, okay, fine, I'm leaving. Oh man. But it messed with them after that too, because when they set up their blinds and staff that they. Noticed that it hadn't messed with everything. And that is when it comes to around here. But I have other ones that are outside of the United States because we have people that come in that are outside of the United States as well. Oh, I'm sure you have people from all over the world, which is amazing. Cool stuff, cool stuff, Mart. Is a pleasure meeting you, and thank you for chatter. Is this a conversation I can put up on the podcast.

1:16:44 You can just explain that I have speech problems. Yeah. I wouldn't have even noticed anything if you hadn't mentioned it. But I appreciate you coming up. Oh, You're welcome. You have a good night, you. Too, man. Awesome, that was fun. I like talking to people for that museum. Expeditions, expedition, Bigfoot Museum, and what is the actual town. It is Blue Ridge, Georgia. Either. Hey, man, I'm happy. I'm glad that you have give me the opportunity to tell my story. Yeah, go for it. Man. Well, I'm gonna ask you if you had I guess you had experience yourself.

1:17:28 I've had some weird stuff happen. I haven't had any visual sightings, but I've had stuff happen from trees got pushed over. I've heard whoops in Iowa, tree knocks, I've been roared and at in Oregon, all sorts of weird stuff. But I've never had a visual. Okay, I didn't have a visual, but I had a shadow. And let me just explain what happened. I have a friend of mine that his grandfather had one hundred and thirty acres of land connected to at a state park in Atlanta called Sweet sweet Water Creek Park. The state park and his land is connected to the park. You know what I mean. Every night the deers would come towards the property. He had a pond in the front and everything. So one night I'm in front of the house and I mean, not do I've heard all the animals and.

1:18:17 All what they do when the deer gets scared them hurt all. But it's one time, I'm sitting in front of the house, right and this thing sits in the middle of the woods. Man and him and his girlfriend are in the couch inside. They flirting or whatever. They're having a conversations. I'm outside, so I hear this thing running up on the hill. But at first I thought it was deer, right, but it was a deer. And then but then this thing was stomping. If you was watching a marvel A movie, like if the Hulk was running through the woods, boom, and you can hear it plowing through the woods, breaking branches, and this thing was unstoppable, right, So I get nervous. Man, so I grabbed a quarter out of my pocket and I start back in the window because I would I want to be because that night you can hear everything over there, And so I'm banging on the window with the corner trying to get his attention to come out.

1:19:09 So he finally comes out. Right when he comes out with his pit bull, the creature stopped running right, So the creature had reached the bottom of the hill right right behind where the pond was. That the pond was facing for the house. You know what I'm saying. Was at the front door. You see the pond right in front of you. Behind the pond. It was maybe an acre or whatever. That's what the thing was. It had stopped running. So when he came out with his dog, I was like, yo, man, I'm I think Bigfoot is out there. I think Bigfoot is up there. So he's looking at me. When I was drinking a beer, He's looking at me like, oh man, you buggy man dunk man. I'm like, man, I'm telling you, man, I'm serious. Man. They said, look, just stay and this. You know, he said, you're crazy. He stops walking in the house. The creature started coming our way through the woods. Boom, you hear all kind of branches breaking. This thing is real, man.

1:19:57 This is nothing that you could just hear and just dismiss all that. So, dear, there's no way. Then the thing stops. Man, maybe man. I can't even calculate the distance like that. It wasn't that far way, maybe thirty yards for the yard, but it stopped at the edge of the woods. It didn't show itself. It stopped at the edge of the woods, and it let out a roar that didn't match your size. To me, the raw was so loud and it was so intense that I can't explain them. Man, I've been looking for that raw through all kinds of monster raw things. I even watching big foot channels, and it didn't sound like none of them. This thing is.

1:20:39 Oh man, I can't the closest eye but sound I ever got from it. I could play it for you. It was just a little bit of that sound in that tone. Do you want to hear it like what it kind of sound like? Sure, and let me see. Hold on, let me see why I got it. I gotta look it up. But anyway, so anyways, it let out a raw so loud right that friends, he opened the door and ran inside the house. The dog followed him inside, and his dog, a pitpo used to taste all the deer and any animal that will come out of the neighborhood. That dog went inside, Man, I'm talking HERU. I went inside, and then when they went inside, the monster let up another row, real loud. So I'm like that, dude, I'm not scared, but I'm shocked.

1:21:24 This thing is real because I was one of little guys that well you look at it like yeah. And then the thing is, it's hard for me to tell the story because when you on the other side the people that have witness, it's different from being on the other side of another witness from for you trying to explain it to somebody that never ever heard the story. They looking at you like that. Connective dissonance kicks in and they're not trying to They already magically shut you out. You crazy, You're on drugs and all this stuff that you And I'm like, oh wow. So me and my friend we went to sit together, right, this happened Friday night. We went to work on Monday. Monday, I'm telling everybody at work and they all look at me like I was insane. Then I see him, Yo, Man, tell him he denied it. Man, he let me down.

1:22:15 Man. I was so pissed at him. He didn't enjoy the story because he was a driver and anyone anybody to think that's what he told me. He didn't want anybody to think that he was messed up. I said, dude, man, this is a story to tell. Man. I was on there on a positive to trying to see what's going on. He denied him, and the thing is there. It was since that day I've been looking into Bigfoot. So I went into the Oh I'm sorry, okay, yeah, I went. After the two roars, the monster started walking up the hill and let out a third roar right in the middle of the mountain, but it was lower than the first two. And then when he got all the way to the top of the hill, he let out another row. So all together he let out four rows that I've never heard in my life ever from any creature that I've seen on TV, from even from a God's Zilli movies.

1:23:03 I've been looking for this raw and I haven't been found it yet. It's unique. It almost got an elephant in it, Yeah it almost had Yeah, it almost had an elephant type to it. But it was real. Man. It was intense. Man, if you would have heard that row, you would turn around. You want to see God's Zilla behind it. It was that intense. And it was with authority. So I've been looking for all this stuff about bigfooting it. We still go into the property. So next thing, you know, that same girl that was with him that night, she never heard the rooks. She was just out of house. That was Missy playing. She didn't hear. She comes back with another friend of hers, right, They visited us at the house, so my buddy needed time to be by himself.

1:23:45 With her, so he left me with the other girl outside. So I put her in my pickup truck and I'm driving around the property. You got a lot of you can drive around, and I'm telling her the story. Oh yeah, I'm telling her the story. And she's like looking at me, like this guy's insane. And when we get back towards the house, and as soon as she got out of the car, that thing roared from far away during the day, and she said, what the dad, And I said, what's the thing I've been talking about. That's the thing I've been telling Now that girl started crying. She couldn't believe that she heard that. So that's what If she heard it. From far way and felt that way, imagine how I heard it, because it sounded like a serious monster out there.

1:24:26 And then I started looking around if any sightings of Bigfoot on Sweetwater Creek Park, No, but then the next park over, the next state park, which is in uh High Room, Georgia, there was a two sightings of people reported over there, and then the further you went up north and more it became common. But this park is right there at the edge of Atlanta, you know what I mean. I was like, what's the screech doing in the city, man, you know what I mean? So it just makes it just doesn't commute because normally I thought that those things would be in the remote and stuff like that. But this thing is right there in Atlanta, man. So I'm trying to see how this thing. Is surviving in the state park. I guess he knows what it's doing.

1:25:08 Man. I don't know if it's been there all the time, does it have family members? I don't know. But it was an experience of a lifetime. I'm into Bigfoot big time. I went to the I went to in Tennessee to the big Foot convention over there. I went to the Rocky Mountains, to the Rocky Mountains to do I was working at the Rocky Mountains, but I went to pictures with the carbage a big fun. I'm into it, but I don't have a community that I could talk to and share stories. Because everybody that knows me since I grow up, believe me. But everybody outside the world that knows me. No, everything's come insane, So it's hard to reach people. And then when you talk to different people from different aspects, I've gotten this allowed from like religious people, Ah, that's.

1:25:52 Demons and all this crap, and I'm like, man, come on, man, get out of here with that. Man. It's not that man. There's something out there and there's so many people reporting it. And then I didn't. I was one of those guys on the other side of it's a possibility, but there's never been a proof. There's never been no actual you don't say, there's never been anything solid for anybody to run with. And then the thing is that now when I had my experience, I don't have nothing. To side it wrong with either, just a story to tell. So it's hard to push it across because the people don't have good evidence. Oh I get it. Do this so that people have a place to share what they experience. I appreciate you coming up, sir, and Hey, is this a conversation that I can use in my eight foot podcast?

1:26:35 Absolutely? Man, Yeah, what is your popucation? Check it out. It's called big Foot Society. I do have one episode. You would really like to hear a lot of reports from like Douglasville. And that's the way gross bill right. Yep, So it's. Episode eight sixteen and that's a lot of Georgia stuff in that area. You'll like to listen. Okay, so you give me the name again, sir, I'm sorry. Just look up Big Big Society episode age sixteen and it is all on YouTube. Yeah, you can find on YouTube or Spotify or Apple podcast. Man, I appreciate you. Let me off, man. Thank you for having this community up, man, because we need a platform somewhere we'll talk about this stuff.

1:27:18 All right, appreciate you coming up. You have a good one. YouTube, man. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field, or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

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