It's Followed Me from Board Camp to Oakridge!

0:00 I couldn't. I felt like a lion was chasing me. I took one last look before I leap up four stairs and it is 10 feet behind me, the size of a volleyball. This is Bigfoot Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Today's guest is Patti Valvo, a former MUFON field investigator whose search eventually took her from southeast Oklahoma into Bigfoot country and ultimately to Oak Ridge, Oregon. While staying near the edge of the Willamette National Forest, Patti started experiencing some very strange activity around the property. Then one night, she walked out to her vehicle and saw something coming toward her that she still struggles to explain. Here's Patti. I was just doing reports at home though. And that got redundant. I was like, I want to go out and see these places. Like you can figure out the cosmos, whether there's military operations, if there's weather phenomenon, you can do all that stuff, you know, right here at home.

0:55 But I'm like, I want to get out there and see what is, why Southeast Oklahoma has so many sightings. I wanted to get boots on the ground. whether I was going by myself or with a friend. And when you say that, are you referring to UFOs or to Bigfoot? Both. How did you then, so you're in MUFON, then for right now, you are totally into in the Bigfoot stuff. You are going all over the place. We'll get into that. How did that happen? The going from MUFON into now we're really looking into some Bigfoot activity. Well, it happened because I had a case, my, I think it was my second case and it was Shane church, which I'm, he's given me permission to say that with red dirt cryptids and he, and it was one year prior to when he was telling me about it. And I'm like, we need to file a report on this.

1:52 Let's do all the data and just double check and make sure he said that they were setting up a parabolic mic and they were going down to their location. To set it up. And they had book fit on the brain. But they look up at the treetops. And there is a. There is a UAP UFO. Spinning within a wheel. Within a wheel. And it has three amber lights. Circular. And he said it had all these glitter. Twinkly lights in between. And. It was right over the tree tops and it started to move off and they should have followed it. But he said we were had Bigfoot on the brain. We were on a mission. So I took his whole report and it was one of the only ones, the first ones that I had taken that it was an actually unidentified UAP. Usually we can find a reason what it is. But what blew my mind about that is that I had become friends with Jimmy Williams on.

2:50 I don't know if you know who he is. I think he's kind of an independent person. He was telling me that the same night he saw the same UAP and they were within a mile from each other. And I believe one of them had a Sasquatch sighting that night. I feel like it was Jimmy, but I really can't remember that. Don't quote me on that. But I remember just being blown away that they described it exactly the same. I mean, word for word, verbatim. I just knew there was something to that. That is absolutely fascinating. And the notes you provided, I have to say, probably the best notes that anyone coming on the show ever has provided. So thank you for that.

3:34 And I remember the part of your notes, because were there actually three separate Bigfoot groups that had sightings of. Or no there was actually two groups but there were three i thought there were three individuals i only talked to three individuals gustone um shane church and jimmy but jimmy was with somebody and i think the guys were with someone else that i didn't know so there were multiple. Got it so then so then that gets you that's your your catalyst um it sounds like that there's some connection here between the UFO UAPs and Bigfoot and what's going on.

4:18 Yes. But at this point, I still think that I'm just looking for a undiscovered ape. Okay. Right. Right. Cause most, most individuals will go down that road. So, okay. So that's another thing. So then you, you go through the, that journey and and how is how is that journey was there a incident that happened that made you think or realize that yeah we've got this whole bigfoot thing is not just a gorilla out in the world. Yeah that that was a little bit later but i have to say i didn't know what happened first when i became a move on investigator and i did that that case with that shame church i started seeing orbs of light in my room in my bedroom at night.

5:11 And then I was really blown away. I'm like, was it the chicken or the egg? And I was, I was warned about this from my director who had experienced the same thing after she became the director. I really want to hear, hear more about that. So you, she experienced it too. Wow. Um, so can you describe these, these orbs that you're seeing in your, your room? Yes. I would wake up in the middle of the night. Now keep in mind, I'd been in a car accident too. I'd had a couple of things. I'd fallen off a ship. I had been in a car accident. Every time I had a hip replacement at 41, every single time something took me out and I had to sit and be still with this ADHD body, it was really hard on me, but I grew in other ways. I, my intuition, I'm 49 years old now. I, had these things happen when I was young, but it definitely, I was able to hone in on some of these abilities. And once I started seeing UFOs, they definitely amplified. I felt like a sixth sense was awakened in me. I didn't start seeing the orbs of light in my bedroom. I was so hurt from all my issues. I would get in the hot tub and I would pray and meditate. And I Jeremiah, I would open my eyes and there would be several UFOs.

6:39 And so then I went down the rabbit hole of Chris Bledsoe and I read his book, UFO God. And when I would experience these things, it would feel like love. And I thought, I don't care what people say. It comes when I pray. It feels like love. And then I started to hear things that I thought was my own voice. And then I would wait at night. I would be sleeping and I'm a dreamer and I would wake up in the middle of the night and I would use the restroom and I would come back to bed and I would just see a bing. Like it looked like a tiny little star, a little white light just flash.

7:22 Okay. And then it would get my attention and then I would see it and it would float around the room. As a tiny white star. Yes. Okay. Interesting. I got chills right now. That is so wild. But it's the feeling. It's not just I saw a ball of light in my bedroom. Right. The vibration, the humming, my body would be buzzing, my ears would be ringing. And then the next day I would have an enhanced sense of intuition that seemed ramped up for a few days after a sighting. And within one year I saw over 50 UFOs around my home and I live close to Oklahoma city. So I'm not in rural country. How am I seeing them in my backyard?

8:11 It tests your sanity to where at times when I started hearing something guiding me beautifully things, I didn't know things I shouldn't know. Um, I started to realize there's a connection and, and, and it was enhanced by that. And then I started reading other people who had the counters and Michelle Heaton, her being a dreamer, Sam, when Sam Chandler came on, I was laughing, crying, everything he said about the vision of the female Sasquatch. I've experienced that. I mean, I thought I was talking when he was talking.

8:53 I was laughing, crying. What you do for people, Jeremiah, you thank you for giving people a safe space to talk about this stuff. I remember thinking I will never breathe a word of any of this. Boy, has that changed. You really are making a huge difference that trickles down so far, whether you understand how deep it goes or not. It's very important. And I thank you for that. I appreciate that. Sometimes it, yeah, there's a lot going on. I've experienced that once. It was actually during an interview. I can't remember which one it was, but I looked across the room and it was, it was like a little tiny golden marble floating in. And I was like, Oh no.

9:41 Mine are almost like white blue. I feel like everyone I've seen is so white and blue with a blue hue. Okay. And then, I mean, and I've talked about this a few times, but when I was in Tennessee before the cancer diagnosis, that night up on the mountain. that was the first time I've seen multiple orbs out in the woods. And that was a life-changing experience. It was just like, what is going on? Like, they're not lightning bugs. Yes. Shining lights on them. There's nothing there. Yes. It's crazy, man. It is crazy. It's wild. I just... I don't know what to, to, to think about it, but it's why I, um, have definitely, uh, uh, taken, uh, things like prayer, uh, more, more serious, more seriously, more frequently. Um, so interesting. Um, man, I know there are so many different places that we need to go, uh, cause you've provided, provided you the information. What would be the most, um, the most logical thing to talk about next, Patty, do you think?

10:52 Let's go to Albion. So I go to... This is when we were going to my first festival. I was like, let's go check this out. Let's go meet these people. So I went to Albion, and we stayed in an A-frame there. It was great to meet everybody. I got to meet Daryl Adams and Mark. Oh, I didn't meet Mark once that time. So.... The second night we stayed in the cabin, I am like a little Native American woman on the land. I brought tobacco. I blessed the land. I sat and meditated on the land under a fire and I could get flashes almost of what the land looked like.

11:35 I don't know. I'm taking a guess. 1600s. I feel like I could see. what the land used to look like and it used to look very different. So after I gave an offering of tobacco and then I placed apples around and gifts, I meditated and then within a couple hours after, my husband and I are out there and he captures one of the most incredible UAP videos ever. I think it was in 4K, it was amazing. We see a flash, and then it kind of acted like the one in Oak Ridge. It just continues to flash, and it almost responds to me speaking to it. I mean, it appeared to be. And we got it all on recording. I think you have that here, too.

12:29 That's why it's called Flash of Beauty, honey. Right there. We're seeing an orb. What is it? You got it on recording? Are you recording that? Yeah, it's just. One of the time you do it, at least. Come on. Show us. Show us. Are you honing in on that? I'm trying. I saw two. Oh, wow. Pretty. Oh!

13:15 Do you have the tree in it for reference? Yeah. So we can see how far it is tomorrow. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, forest people, if that's you or whoever. Thank you, God. That was cool. I won't be like Dave Wilbanks and go follow it. He just talked about that. And I just saw another one, Curtis. I can't keep my eyes straight. Oh, it's going. I just saw something shoot across, too. Did you see that? No. Diagonal in the mountains. Show us again.

14:16 It's dim. Can you see how dim it is? That was awesome. Did you see that? Yeah. Are you still on it? Yeah, this thing's been going on stuff. Is it catching more in the camera than it is? No, I mean, I'm looking at it. It's not colors. In the camera, there's two. I've only seen the one. No, there's one over here. There's no lightening. There's no ball lightning out there.

14:58 There's no storms. No, super clear night. You're literally looking at the kind of mountain, so, I mean, this is where. All the light phenomenon is reported. How cool. Super cool. And gone. Wow. And the next day, my husband went out and took a picture of the tree that it was hovering over because I could even see in the dark the tree turn red. Later, we found out it burned that tree. And that was the highest radiation reading that Mark Wentz had ever had. So after that happens, I call Tanya Kordak from Bigfoot Enigma Museum. And she says, let me call my friend Mark Witts. He's a theoretical physicist, a nuclear physicist, and an astrophysicist. And he's 71 years old.

15:56 And he's been at the University of Arkansas, a professor there, I believe, 41 years. Smart dude. Thorough. He comes out within 12 hours of us checking out. And he is there for, I think he goes back two or three times. He does radiation and testing he does electromagnetic testing he does soil samples tree samples lease leaf samples it burned the top of that tree and when it was over that tree jeremiah it was ejecting uap ufos out of it like balls of light out of it as if it was burning other ones well then um My husband could not see those coming out. I could see things.

16:41 That's when I realized, too, that I could see things with my eyes that he could not see. But when we blew that video up on the screen, you can see sparkles and electrical energy all over that Kaimichi Mountain. It was insane. I could see it with my real eyes, but he could just see the what. My husband is a very logical person, and that blew his mind. So yeah, that was the highest reading. An average reading for a radiation is under 50 and 7,200 high, extremely high would be a thousand. It's crazy. 7,200 compared to, I mean, the lowest elevation elevated you have here is a thousand. Even that is 72 times. That's wild. That is wild.

17:29 And Mark decides to reach out to the Airbnb owner. And I tell the Airbnb owner what's happening on his land. And Tanya tells me that there's only two other houses on that land. And one guy's a cattle rancher and the other one moved out of the home a year prior. His wife died and he had those orbs of light in his home. Well, we find out two weeks prior that there was a cattle mutilation there. And it was your classic cattle mutilation. Sexual reproductive organs removed, ears lasered off, nose lasered off. Um, all just like laser cut all the organs removed and the cow was dropped from high because it was three or four inches down into the dirt.

18:18 Really not one drop of. Blood anywhere so that just added more confusion and then i wasn't sure if i ever wanted to stay back there again. That's some risk and walk a ranch stuff uh patty that's That's wild. Did you guys have any, uh, You know, going through treatment right now for cancer. So I'm kind of like binge watching some stuff. So I'm watching, you know, secret skin Walker ranch and, um, some really into it right now, but did you have any, like, uh, any weird, uh, physical effects that came up after being on that property? No, just heightened me, not my husband, just a heightened sense of, of intuition.

19:01 That's amazing. Extremely for the next few days. Okay. Lots of buzz being, yeah, charged energy. So that was that. I think it wasn't until I got to Uncle Joe's Ranch in Tuscahoma. That's when I, you asked, when did I realize I was not just searching for another primate? Yeah. Yeah. So then we go from there. Two, I meet Wendy. I know you haven't met Wendy yet. She's incredible. I meet her online and I can't believe the Lord has brought me a friend that is just like me. We have identical in our beliefs and our interests. And so we're like, let's meet. So we decided to go to the Bigfoot Enigma Research Center Museum and go to Brian Terrell's class. And that's where I got to finally meet Mark Wentz and at Uncle Joe's Ranch. That is where I started experiencing major paranormals. And that's when I got very confused, like, what is going on here? So we go to the class. I hear Tanya talking to somebody at the class about a home that was destroyed by a Sasquatch after the gentleman said he was going to Texas to get enough ammo to kill that thing. Yep.

20:30 And I told Tanya, we're going up that road. And she said, Patty, you won't make it up that road. You'll break an axle. And so I said, well, we're going to go up as far as we can. And I do not go with packing heat, but I travel with a chest pack and bear spray. And so her and I followed each other up that road. And there I see... I can't get to the cabin that's destroyed. She said it looked like an elephant just sat on the front porch, that it completely caved in the deck after he said he was going to unalive that thing. So once we get so high up, the road was really rough. I was in shock when we got up there.

21:17 I was in culture shock. A lot of the homes had outhouses. People were living off grid. Huge rocks around their houses and somebody had glued dinosaurs all over them. There was Bigfoot crossing signs. I realized these people know that Sasquatch is here. And so at some point we see a man with a firearm coming up with a Polaris. And I'm thinking, how do you have a Polaris when you have an outhouse? He's got a firearm. He's dressed in camo. He's blaring Metallica. He speeds past us and sees Wendy and I like, I don't know these chicks and starts rolling back. And I'm like, time to go. We need to get out of there.

21:59 So we jump in our cars and, you know, you got to do a five point turn to get down road. And right. She's turning and taking her time and I can't move until she gets moved. So I look over to the right and there's a creek. And a dead deer. So I immediately run over really quick because the guy's backed up. He's going again. I'm feeling like it's safe just to take a peek. And that is when I saw my first footprint. And I had to move fast. I couldn't take a picture or anything because I think we were both nervous to get off that mountain. I saw a deer with its head twisted around twice. Its two back legs were broken and there was one footprint in the dirt in the creek. And that was just seeing a print live, it just changes everything.

22:49 So I want to make sure I got that. So you saw a deer that was neck twisted and there's a footprint right next to that deer? Yes. I could see the heel, very distinct. The toes, not perfect, but I absolutely knew what it was. And that really set it in. This is real. I just couldn't believe This girl's going to, woman's going to go out, me, and actually find evidence. No, I thought I was just going to go put some boots on the ground and just see what these places are like. I never dreamed I would actually start seeing and experiencing the things that I did. And it'll get you. What were the dimensions, if you were to estimate?

23:32 I want to say the heel was probably four or five inches wide. Maybe 16. Oh, wow. Okay. Well. Not quite as big as the cast that I have in front of me right now that was gifted to me from Brian Houlin and Jane Church. Oh, nice. Very nice. So not quite that big. And we had to move fast. So I just jumped back in the car and we went back down the logging road. And that night we sat by the fire. And then we decided Wendy and I were going to get to know each other. She's amazing. She has some sort of connection with the forest people. I don't understand it. She reminds me of Carlos. She intrigues me. Everywhere she goes, she finds a structure. I don't care if she just picks a place on the map.

24:24 She has a photographic memory. She can almost just intuitively say, I'm going here. And I've never seen her not find something. So I thought, I got to get on the field with this woman. She's incredible. Absolutely. I thought if I'm going to go with anybody, I want it to be someone who's warm and loving. I didn't want to be with anybody that's packing ammo and ready to take something out or have an ugly attitude. It was important to me who I surrounded myself with going through this. I think that is very smart of you to say. And it's one of the things I've realized over the years is if you're going to go out, take the time to take the time to get to know the person that you're going out to one for safety to, uh, just to make sure that, I mean, the chances that you go out like in your situation, you're probably going to have something happen more than if you're with a guy who's like, I just want to be famous and become a millionaire. Well, that's, it's, you're probably not going to have anything happen or you're get chased out.

25:35 Yeah, for sure. I didn't want to go with anybody that would have the potential to get bluff charged or I don't know. I don't know how that works. But so that night, while we're sitting around the fire, this is when the paranormal started. I was joking with Wendy about my 20th anniversary. I wanted a new diamond ring and I wanted a triangle rock. I was said, I want a triangle rock. I want a big old triangle rock. And I thought, I better second guess that because I do nails for a living and I could scratch somebody doing a pedicure. Jeremiah, after sitting by that fire and playing those sound bowls, I go into the restroom in my cabin and I'm pretty OCD and ADHD. I will notice everything. The cabin was quaint. It was cute. It was clean. I would have noticed a rock on the wall.

26:23 I walk in there and there is this, that picture that you're showing this triangle rock right in the middle of the floor. And I'm like, no way. That reminds me of Daryl Adams and Toad. Oh, sure, yeah. When they would say they would discuss something and then it would happen. Go back out, play some cymbals, sit by the fire, talk to Wendy. I had to come back in for something. I took the rock out, showed her, we discussed it. I come back in and there is another rock sitting in the same place. And I thought, this is paranormal. What is happening here? So those were really the only two things that happened there with the rock. And then that night, I tried to meditate in that little cabin after Wendy and I went to bed. And that was the weirdest meditation I think I'd ever done.

27:14 I feel like I'm pretty experienced at this. After my hip replacement, I had to learn how to walk again, basically. They cut my femoral nerve. And for 10 months, I was on a walker cane. And I spent a lot of time, because I got really depressed and anxious, and I thought, I've got to fight and come back. Well, I thought, I'm too ADHD to ever try to meditate. Boy, was I wrong. It enhanced whatever I had going on anyway from all these things that I could do. It increased it for sure. And then it drew me back more. And I was hearing, like I said, as an investigator for MUFON, I was seeing the orbs of light and hearing things, still thinking it was myself until that night.

28:04 I did this meditation and it reminded me of Sam Chandler. When he talked about it, I could see this individual and it was so powerful. Jeremiah, my teeth were chattering. It reminded me when I was giving birth, my whole body was just shaking. My ears were ringing. And I had to pull out of it. It was too powerful. And it was the weirdest meditation I'd ever done. And I thought, could it be that I'm at this place? Well, there's already paranormal stuff happening inside the little cabin. And now I'm feeling like this. So it just led to more questions than answers. I've got a few questions about this. This is wild stuff.

28:45 So is this place you're at just a some Airbnb that you had stumbled upon. That's right. Wendy, Wendy found it. She picks all of our locations. She is kind of a map genius. She, I think she has a photographic memory and she, she does tomorrow. We're going to set in wilderness outside of Norman. Cause I just was in shock. No way that something could be that close to Oklahoma city. When you're doing meditation, are you doing, do you do like, a guided thing, like let's say the gateway tapes, or you're just like, you're going into it and it is just you and the meta you're just doing it. I've done it all. I've done guided. I've done command cell therapy. When I was trying to heal from my car accident and hip replacement, where you listen to it, you're commanding yourselves. I would do guided. I started doing it because I was in so much pain. I started seeing a doctor named Dr. Ahmed Guman who did acupuncture on me and he would put in a guided imagery and he would leave. Well, I'm so ADHD and high strung and intense that That was the only way you were going to get me there to sit for 30 minutes with 50 needles in me. And he would put it on. And I just thought, what is that stuff?

30:04 So I started doing it. And sometimes I just do it to different frequencies. It's a lot of visual. I think we are powerful human beings and our consciousness. I mean, you are the observer with your eyes and the experiencer. In meditation, you shut down half of that and you are the observer and the experiencer moving in one field. And I think your consciousness affects that field. And then I think your reality is created from your perception from that field. Does that make sense? That's really interesting.

30:46 So that's why I think so many people have different experiences. When you have a group of people and you're like, well, I saw this. I felt this. I saw this. You could have one encounter and five people say it all turned out different. The observer, each of our consciousness affects that observation. Does that make sense? Yeah. No, absolutely. So when you go into one of those sessions, what is your goal when you start that? My goal is to not be so high strung. Cool. Well, I feel like I just am a little ball of energy and I have to return to myself.

31:29 Okay. I have to return to myself. So I do it always first thing in the morning, right after I wake up. Sometimes I'll do it at night, but that's the best for me. I do it anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour. And I'll do a little bit of both. Like this morning, I did a 15 guided minute And then I did for about 30 on my own. You return to self and the veil drops. The veil is thinner. You can experience things. I lost my dad in August and I was going in for a meditation just Tuesday for something else. And when I invite the loving guardian angels and any entities that come in love and unity that are here to assist and help humanity, My father came through and I was a blubbering mess because I've avoided that for almost a year because it's too painful.

32:26 And I, so I, I, I, I don't know. I don't know. I'm still trying to understand it at 49 years old, but it's a beautiful gift. And I'm fortunate that I was able to experience that with him, even unexpected. That is, that is a really special thing that happened. Thank you for sharing that. And you also were able to go to a place that has come up on the show a few times, the Board Camp Crystal Mine. Yes. And you've had some really interesting things happen. This is outside of Mena, Arkansas. The town is called Board Camp, right?

33:11 Yes. And that is a very magical place. Real quick, though, when we left Joe's Ranch the next day, when we checked out, she took me to Talamina State Park to show me some tree stretchers. I'd only seen one in Stinchcomb. And that was really all I'd ever seen. When we went there, nothing really happened. But when we left Jeremiah, pebbles were thrown at my trunk and hers. And that blew my mind. We left apples out there, saw the tree stretchers. And as we were driving off, I had four or five pebbles thrown at my trunk. And me not knowing that she did, I call her to tell her, and she said, I just did too. And so that kind of blew my mind as well. So then our next trip, I'm like, Wendy had already been to Board Camp Crystal Mine. And she said, you got to go experience it. So Orville and Cheryl were building those little cabins.

34:04 And we wanted to be one of the first ones to stay in it. So much went on there. I almost need to pull up my notes for that one. I know you sent me a few audio recordings of you just talking about, I was like, this is really intense. Like you are right. A lot happened there. A lot happened there. The place is pretty darn magical. Okay. So right out the gate. And I was so happy to take my husband because he doesn't see, I mean, he's been with me 20 plus years, but for him to experience it, I could hardly watch the sky because I've seen a million UFOs. I just wanted to watch him the whole time. Just taking it all in. So board camp crystal mine. Okay. We just arrived. We're about to unpack. And I bring three little mushrooms that are authentic stones for the forest people. I put my luggage up on the bed. And he's laying in the bed resting.

35:03 And I thought, like, did you throw a rock, Curtis? I heard something ricochet around the room. And I looked under the bed and I found that little red mushroom. I didn't bring any red mushrooms or anything plastic. I brought those little ceramic ones. So it was almost like, how would something know that I was bringing it mushrooms and then a mushroom just fall out of thin air in the cabin. I mean, both of us were kind of blown away. So as I'm standing at that little window, I look out and I see those two crystals on the deck. And I'm like, Curtis, those were not out there.

35:44 And as we're debating it, I looked back out the window and it had been 30 seconds. I had just looked out that window and there was a bunch of little daisy flowers that had been ripped up and set on the deck. Even it was just strange. It was fast. It was strange. And I thought, what is going on here? My husband, there's an area there where Nothing has grown. It kind of reminds me of Heart Sworn where the UAP touched down. Sometimes you hear where UFOs touched down that nothing will ever grow there again. I've even heard stories of it raining and the water beating off of that area, which is odd. He took one step into that circle and we were there with Fred, Wendy and a couple other people. And he got lightheaded and a piercing migraine, and he stepped out of it, and it would go away.

36:42 Really? Oh, that's wild stuff. Okay. That place is totally wild. So you know about Orville getting taken. I notice in their tour they don't talk too much about the abduction. They don't want to scare people. But after talking to all of them and getting close to them, they have had some other things pop up on that land that they're not going to talk about. It just plugs in on itself. Man, after talking to them, I was like, these guys have way more to share. If this is the stuff that they're like, yeah, we'll talk about. I mean, oh, my goodness. I can't imagine the other stuff that you had probably heard. But wild. Yeah.

37:26 After watching Skinwalker Ranch and Ross Coulthart talk about national parks is hiding a portal. I don't know. I truly believe there is a portal there. I've never been there. And I'm just like, just, I've talked to multiple people that have been, I'm like something. And then not to, we won't get too far ahead, but to hear then what you shared with me about, um, uh, what, what is Mark has experienced. I don't know. I want Mark to come on your show. I'm going to reach out. I was like, after I talk to Patty, I'm reaching out to Mark because Mark's, What you shared about Mark, I was like, oh, this is incredible stuff.

38:11 He sent me a message and said, I thought about it, Patty, and I'll go on the show. Oh, awesome. Okay. I'll definitely reach out. Well, let's continue with what happened to you guys. So first off, when you had the crystals and the. The flowers, you weren't hearing anyone walking around the cabin or anything. I mean, it doesn't sound like it. Nope. Nope. Not there. Nothing like that. But when we did leave and check out, we were getting our luggage and taking it back to the car. And I walked up. I think I sent a picture of that. I saw one footprint in the leaves right outside the window. Just one. And it was huge. And we had seen a few of those back when the nursery, if that's what it is.

38:54 Over the hill where the natives would tell Orville, don't go past that hill, there were lots of footprints in the leafs. But, you know, it's not in the mud, so you can't really get all the details. This footprint here on screen, what would you say the length of that probably is? 13, 14 inches maybe? Okay. Cool, cool. I know, I gotta get better about that. I finally put a dollar bill at the one in uh oregon right. That that's that's the move that that cliff taught me he's like just put another bill man and yeah i'm like oh that that makes total sense right it's yeah absolutely.

39:37 So what else um but you can if you are a sensitive board cam crystal mind you can feel it You can feel it there. Oh, really? Like right when you get there? Yeah. Yes. Talk about a parallel. You can feel both. You can feel like it's super magical and then kind of scary. Okay. So that's interesting. So were you guys feeling both at the same time then? I was at night. I was just trying to, when my husband would go to bed, I would just meditate and try to tune in to what was going on around me. And you could feel both. but it's pretty magical. It feels, it feels good there. It's, it's amazing just to see so much phenomenon. And then that night we watched with a whole group. And like I said, I saw a fireball in the sky. I've seen so many reports about fireball, never actually saw what looked like a burning sun. Um, we saw over 50 UFOs, about 10 satellites, some shooting stars. And there, there is something strange about that place. Um, just that area where the stage is, it's almost like a dome, Jeremiah. You can look up and it's like a super highway to where I'm like, is this just an open space where they can travel to?

40:55 Then you can walk to your cabin and look up and it'd be nothing. And it even, the sky even look lighter. It was strange to where we were running back and forth from the cabin to the stage to see if we could, see the difference. And it was like, still, when we got to the cabin, nothing. And then you go to the stage and it's just super high wave stuff. I was going to ask this real quick. So were other people there also hanging out and where do you think other people were experiencing things or your experience was, was pretty unique? Oh no, I think everybody experienced things there. That's just like a whole group experience. You experience it together. He really doesn't want people walking together. anywhere on the land by themselves. And I'm like, why? I think he's concerned about that. You know, we also walked around with paper clips in our pockets because all the metal on 40 acres is magnetized ever since the three pillars of light showed up. You can just stick it to it. And then compasses won't work there. They just spin. It's like a pulse shift or something. It's different.

42:10 It's so... That's... That's similar to some of the Skinwalker Ranch stuff too. Some of the experiments. And then all the trees grow crazy. They're like S trees, trees that should be straight. They're curling in spirals and just weird triangles and weird trees. So everything is just odd there. Whoops, I skipped ahead. The other interesting thing I remember them saying in the interview is that They have a lot of reports of healing happening there. Oh, I wouldn't be surprised. Interesting. I wish I would have got some healing there.

42:50 Right, exactly. Yeah, we can all use some of that. So it sounds like it would be a place you would go back to again. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I'm trying to think of what was next. So we went to the Board Camp Crystal Mines. Oh, and that's when we got to go to Area X. I never dreamed he would take us there because I just didn't think he would. Everyone acts like it's so private. But that day he was like, yep, let's go. And so he met us and took me, Wendy, and my husband Curtis out there. And we drove 30, 40 minutes and then hiked down a road to Area X after that.

43:37 And we went to his little gifting station, and that's where Mark leaves dates and peanut butter. And I brought my little mushrooms for them and an apple and this Native American bracelet, which I think it's really interesting because Mark called me the next day and said, Patty, they took everything that was authentic stone and they left everything that was artificial. Oh, wow. And I was like, weird. Yeah. You can see the bear print, too. So he took us to that pond where he had an encounter, which I wanted to hear all about that. He said once he approached the pond that he could tell that there was a Sasquatch right, okay, on that picture, over to the right. The furthest to the right was where he said a Sasquatch pushed a tree into the water like you're too close. He's had so many encounters.

44:37 I have a few questions because there's listeners that are going to have questions. So when we say Area X, most listeners will know what we're talking about, where it's a spot that has been researched for 20 years in southeast Oklahoma that is extremely active. And you can look up like whatape.org to hear sounds from there. NAWAC is the group usually associated with it. So, and I don't know if you can even answer this, but my question is when you say you went to area X, is it the general area or like you were actually there or like kind of this vicinity? Because it's not like Sasquatch is like, oh, I'm only going to hang out in this like one little area. Like they're all over the place in that area probably.

45:26 Yeah, probably. We went to the main area. We parked at the main area where I could see the NAWAC put their little sign up that says Woody. That Small Town Monsters had just been to when he went to Oklahoma. It was there. Okay. It took us all the way in, about a 30-minute drive. Walk. And then he told me and my husband and Wendy, I'm going to go get another recording. You guys just head back right there. And it started to get dark. And I was like, you're not coming back with this. And he's like, no, you three will be okay. Just stay together. I watched my husband kind of puff up. Like I gotta be the man of the, I gotta be the brave one. Good for, good for him. Good for Curtis. Uh, was it as hard to get there as people say?

46:10 Um, no. I had all these ideas. Yeah. I was like, I'm going to get bit by a copperhead. I've got to do it. No, I don't think it was. All right. Yeah. Very, very interesting. But I'm sure they go deeper. I'm sure. Oh, sure. Yeah. I'm sure that you could go deeper, but we didn't need to. We went to his spots. So there was that. That's cool. I got to talk to Mark. Some of the stuff you've told me about what Mark has experienced is out of this world. Out of this world. I look to him to help me try to understand what is going on in this reality.

46:52 Because you go in ontological shock when you figure out this is not what we were told. There's a lot more going on than meets the eye. And so what was next? I guess what's next is Oak Ridge. Absolutely. Which I was a man not being able to be there. One of the toughest it's, it's tough because there's so many cool people there. And like this year, like a hearing that, Oh, you guys are going to be there. I was like, Oh my goodness, this sucks. You know, like I was really wanting to meet you. And hopefully that'll happen in the future. But man, it sounds like Oak Ridge. I've already heard that Oak Ridge was wild for a lot of different people. But it sounds like you guys had your own journey there and you experienced some interesting things in Oak Ridge.

47:48 Absolutely. I have my little thing here. Okay, so the first day... Wendy was hiking McDowell Creek on her own because my flight was canceled. The second day, we went just to check out Greenwaters to figure out, like, how are they going to have this here? Where's the parking? And we went to Saheli and Coosa Falls off the McKenzie River. That was amazing. Not much happened that night, except... When we got back from seeing all the waterfalls, Wendy and I started a fire and we did a 19-minute guided meditation. And once we opened our eyes, there was about 10 UFOs and one responded to us with a flash. I think Wendy said something and it flashed. She asked it to and it did. And that was a trip.

48:44 Oh, that's incredible. Wow. Yeah. But I think everybody in Oak Ridge was seeing UFOs. because Ashley Stinnett said that she had saw a ton. I mean, then I watched Michelle Heaton on yours and I cried on that one too. I was like, oh my gosh, she experienced the same thing. Cause that, when I, the orb of light, I could hardly talk about it for two days. I, that took some processing. Multiple people. There's some people that, that have, they like, they will share with me, but not come on the show, which is totally understandable. They, was a multitude of i don't know what it was but a lot of people were experiencing orbs and not just up on jason kenzie's adventure hike either i mean this is other places in oakridge too it's very very wild stuff.

49:34 Yeah i just wondered like how am i going to tell my husband that a ball of light chased me in the forest Yeah. Okay. So we did that 19 minute meditation and that, and then the next day was the summer fest and we met everybody. We went to salt Creek, not much happened there, except we got some little tree. I don't know what they are. Symbols that glyphs that people see. Yeah, that one was odd because we had just been down that trail and we were on our way back and it was placed right in the middle of the trail with the rock on it. So I thought that was a bit peculiar since we had just walked there. So I had never seen that. That was my first one. And of course, I was with Wendy. And then these two sticks sticking up. But I will tell you, Jeremiah, after Board Camp Crystal Mine... The day after, when I got home, I dreamed of a female Sasquatch. And it was a lot like Sam Chandler's. That's the one I was telling you about. I could see everything about her. And when I woke up, I was absolutely buzzing, vibrating, and my whole bedroom smelled like flowers. And I'm a smeller. That's just been something that comes along with it. I can

51:07 smell things that nobody else can. And it's usually a clue of something else that's going on. So that was a trip for me, but I saw in that dream after dreaming about her, it looked like the matrix, the beginning with all the green letters that go, you know, but going this way and they were all Amber colored, not the green. And I, I just thought, what do I do with that? What do those even mean? I don't know what they mean. Why am I dreaming of that? So just a lot of things that lead to more questions and answers. Um, but it really spoke to me when he told that because I I've experienced that same thing.

51:53 It felt good to know I wasn't the only one. So then we go, let's see, Willamette river. Um, Sparks Lake. There we go. We hike the Ray. Every day we drove two to five hours somewhere. We drove to the Ray Atkinson Memorial Trail. Those pictures were beautiful. Before exploring the peninsula, we hiked part of the Ray Atkinson's Trail. The whole area contains a lot of black lava rock and jagged basalt. And once we got down to the water, I saw these huge prints. One looked like it was about 18 inches and you could see the metatarsal break.

52:43 That right there is a juvenile, I think, or a human. It could be a human foot, but I think it was peculiar that it's right next barefooted to the one that was 15 or 16 inch or 14 inches. That picture doesn't do it justice either. I mean, I think a lot of, I hear a lot of people say that. The big toe was a huge impression. I saw that one that was 14 inches, one that was probably like 18 inches. And then the child, juvenile, or it could be a young human in between. And it looked like it was following the footsteps of mom or dad. And that tripped me out.

53:27 And this was, so this is the same area, right? Yes. All the footprints I found in Oregon was all in the same area right there. We found these weird rock stacks. And what was interesting about them to me is I was really studying the way they were all balancing on each other to where I thought if I just moved one of those, the whole thing would collapse. Who could do that? I mean, I guess somebody would sit and do that, but why? Yeah. It did. And then the footprints, it just didn't make sense to have the rock stacks and the large footprints there. Something that that place is wild. And so I use listening to you.

54:09 I got that scan verse and. I thought I could scan a verse app. Yeah. And so I kind of played with these little scans to try to get get a scan of that footprint. And then when did we go to Waldo Lake? I want you to look that up. I want you to tell me what is going on at Waldo Lake. Okay. There's a lot going on in Waldo Lake. If you look at my map. Yeah. Oh, okay. I need to look at your map because I knew nothing about Waldo Lake. So you just went there for fun. Yes. We were amazing. We had no idea. So we were our, where was our target location? Um, Our target location was, we were going somewhere else, but heading out, we thought, let's go to Waldo Lake on the way.

55:03 It's 30 minutes from where we were staying. So nothing about Waldo Lake made sense to me as an investigator for MUFON. I'm searching all the details. We're reading on all trails, it says no access to the lake. And I'm like, well, there's access to the lake. Road construction, the road's closed. Well, the road's not closed. We get there and there's about 20 campsites. Every single campsite Jeremiah has a chain to it and has the same name and date on all 20 of them. I'm like, come on. There's not going to be the same dude taking all these campsites. And I think Wendy or I, one of us said, well, maybe it's a family reunion. And then I said, well, they're two days late for their family reunion and they only got a day left. Then I see a makeshift sign that says no campy. So I'm like, none of this place is making sense. So it was very weird. So Wendy said, let's just get out of the car park and just hike down to the water and see it. And this is a small, I don't think it's a huge lake. I can see across it.

56:07 So we park and we get out of the car, Jeremiah. All the hair stands up on my head, my arms. I immediately say, Wendy, I don't like this place. And she's like, let's just go down and check out the lake. So you have to kind of hike through the woods to get to the beachy part of the lake. And I'm ruminating. I'm saying the same thing over and over and over in my head. Pick up a stick, pick up a stick. Well, I have a can of bear spray. You know, I feel like we used to have this ability. I know hunters still have it. People in ER, people that are police officers, military operations, this sense of a predator is watching me or something. And some of us, some people don't have it at all. So we get down to the water and I look down and I see about 25 mountain lion prints. I mean, they are everywhere.

57:04 And we have been to so many beautiful places in Oregon and I haven't seen one. So it kind of puts in perspective the feeling I got when I got out of the car. And so I, I know that Wendy thinks I'm already scared. And I'm trying to keep up with her because she's awesome. She probably hides five miles a day, if not more. So I don't say anything about the mountain lion prince. And I finally pick up a stick. We hike through this other little woody area. We come back down on the beachy part. And she sees it. She goes, are you seeing this? And I looked down. I'm like, yeah, I'm seeing it. I'm glad you said something. I was wondering when you were going to see it. And I immediately say, Wendy, I don't like this place. Like, let's go. She says, okay, let's go.

57:51 So we hustle back to the car. That was scary just trying to get back to the car. I wanted out of there so bad. And so right when we kind of turn out and start cruising out of there, we see two Trees about that big, completely snapped side by side, pointing like the direction to go. And I'm like, I guess we're supposed to go that way. Right. And then we see that. Wendy sees it and I don't see it. And finally she backs up and I take a picture of it. And I'm like, that is plain as day. A big white X. Fascinating. If so. The map I'm referring to, so you go to bigfootsocietypodcast.com and I have the map where it's all the people I've talked. Well, I'd say it's over a thousand pens, but I still have work to do. Anyways, if you go to, if we're talking about the same place, if you look up Waldo Lake east of Oak Ridge, there's a lot of activity that I've talked to people about over the years. It's pretty wild. Then you've got Spirit Lake out there too. Yeah. That is a place that's weird.

59:02 I mean, there's been like the report where someone saw two Bigfoot that looked like they had dreadlocks and they were chased out of there. and then every night allegedly all the sticks um go into the center of if there's sticks in the lake they go into the center of the lake and then they start spinning around in a circle it's very weird i had multiple hunters tell me that first year at oak ridge it's very weird stuff That is weird. You can definitely feel it at Waldo Lake because I knew nothing about Waldo Lake. So I was very curious when we got in the car. My phone acted up the whole time in Oak Ridge. I mean, all kinds of things. Yes. Wendy's phone was fine. But anytime I needed to research something, I had to use her phone.

59:45 So I went to AI and I'm like, tell me about Waldo Lake. And it was like 15 people missing. I'm like, how did 15 people go missing? I think one was in the 70s. And then it showed in the last eight years, a total of like 15 people missing. Three were just found unalived floating in the water. No reason. Three were never found and the rest of them were found. And I thought, how do you go missing in a small lake like this? Oh boy. That was pretty wild. That's concerning. Um, yeah, there's, there's stuff that goes on. I mean, if you dig, there's some really interesting, um, missing persons reports there's one down by cottage grove you can find that is extremely intense uh i i would be cautious going out in the woods out there by myself for sure i know there's some people that do it but uh it's it gets weird out in oregon there's no question about.

1:00:43 That yeah and daryl wants to go back. Oh daryl does yeah yes that's awesome um so And I know there's more to share, but as a MUFON investigator or someone who has been a MUFON investigator and into all this weird stuff, what is your take on the statement that Oak Ridge is a weird place? Do you agree or disagree? I agree. I actually really thought that the show Gravity Falls was probably made off of Oak Ridge. I know. I know it. It's so weird.

1:01:23 It's strange. It's very strange. It's so strange. I mean, we wanted a wild experience. We got it. I think that cabin, too, was haunted as well that we stayed in. I just ran out of the. Really? Yes. We stayed. It was right on the... Right on the Willamette National Forest. I mean, that 375 feet from the back of our cabin, that right there was the tree line. And she even told us, like, you go past that, you're on your own. She had a little string all the way around, like, that's the forest. Like, there's nothing back there. That place was freaky. So we check in, and the first night, I sleep in there, and Jeremiah, I'm in that room with bats. A mama bat had babies. Mm. up in the Raptors. And I tell Wendy the next morning, I swear there are bats in here. Every time I flash the light, they'd shut up.

1:02:17 Cause I could tell they're nocturnal. And the next morning we're debating it. And she's like, you know, maybe they're mice or we're not debating it. We're discussing it. And there's a baby bat crawling up the wall right there. So we truly got the wild experience at, at Oak Ridge. Um, So what happened first at Oak Ridge? So every night we did hear footprints about 3 or 4 a.m. The first night I didn't hear them because I was in the master room with the bats. And then we barricaded that room and put a towel under the door until they could deal with that. And I slept on the couch. And Wendy was on the loft. And every single night there were footprints, footsteps in the cabin.

1:03:00 Oh, inside the cabin? Inside the cabin. Oh, boy. Yes. Yes. Yes, inside the cabin. What else happened there? Hold on. So how far, man, how far away from you inside the cabin? Right there. It's like a room with a loft. Right there. Same room. Yeah, yeah. She's on the loft and I'm on the couch. That's freaky stuff. It was pretty freaky. So I guess I'll just go ahead and get to the orb. So that day was July 12th. So.... This is Saturday. So the big orb happened on Sunday.

1:03:42 But I do have to say, Saturday, all weekend, she had, the owner of that Airbnb, she had a campground down there, too. And I think I sent you some pictures of that. She had four or five fishermen that were staying there all weekend. But by the time Sunday came and I saw the huge orb, they were gone already. So that day we traveled to Florence and Hobbit Beach. Have you heard of Hobbit Beach? No, but I was like, when I saw everything you put in the notes, I was like, Patty's going everywhere. I've never been out to the coast. I mean, this is awesome. Oh, we had to hike quite a bit through these little Hobbit holes, like kind of going under the woods like that. And you had these embankments up on the side that was just plum.

1:04:26 Thicket of trees. Stuff on the side so it was almost like something was up eating a feast and then then you walk out and that's that's the entrance it was gorgeous there was not a lot of footprints on the beach there was old ones but not a ton because most people just want to drive to the beach they don't have to hike a mile and a half to get to the ocean right so we saw a plethora of crabs oysters um Clams. I mean, something had had an absolute feast and there were just shells everywhere on those little embankments. But it was almost as if something was decorating with them.

1:05:08 I even saw like the crabs. That was a trip to me. If that was a bear, it would have eaten the entire thing. I just crushed it. Something would pick a hole out of it and eat every bit of it and then decorate with it. I even saw one of the crab shells busted in half. And it was balancing on its shell, on a stick, and then had a stick. There it is. I wish I would have got a better picture of that. That is almost like a lean-to. It was balancing on that little stick and then had another stick holding it to where if you just flicked it, it would fall. It was strange. So we're super excited walking through the whole little trails, finding all this. And then we get to the beach and there's that structure. It was wild. But Wendy, she just, I don't know. I just follow Wendy around because she's incredible.

1:06:01 I felt like I'd paid somebody to be my tour guide. That's amazing. Tell me about this. Yeah. Just a crab leg stuck in, there were feathers stuck everywhere. Just odd, odd things. And this was in the same area, right? Yes. And isn't that, That little tribal thing, isn't that wild? That's weird. I'm like, how did we just find this? It was strange. It was strange. Such a weird area. It is cool. It seems like the two of you definitely make a good team and some weird stuff happens when you guys are together. That's pretty cool. I like that. And this was in the same area too?

1:06:45 Yeah. It was so wild. I'm like, what is going on here? And something, there was a little... Spring coming out of the mountain and going into the ocean. And it looked to me like something had tried to dam some of the water up with mud. It was just really odd things. Spirals and carvings everywhere. And I just, I don't know. I saw so many just things that I'd never, I grew up in California on the beaches. I never saw, not Northern California beaches, but like Pismo and Central California beaches. And I just never saw things like this on the beach. Last year was the first time I had been to an Oregon beach. And it was amazing.

1:07:27 Incredibly beautiful area too. Yeah. Just very odd placement of shells. So that night, Jeremiah, we go back to, we had a lot of driving. So we get back to the cabin and we're tired. It's like 10, 1030. And I realize that I've left something in the trunk. Uh, so Wendy's in there and I go down the five stairs and there, I'm going to kind of explain the layout. So you come out of the cabin and there is a dirt road that curves. And I did send you a picture of the layout of the land, the campground. So all the way to the left, all the way back. Okay. That is Saturday, the night before Saturday. The orb incident. I walked that whole tree line right there. I walked right past and and went all the way around. Well, there were some fly fishermen over here sitting by a fire and I'm walking.

1:08:29 I know I kind of jumped around, but I'm walking. This is Saturday night. I'm walking that tree line and I have a flashlight and they hear me walking. And so they shut up real quick. But I hear those good old boys talking around the fire about the lights in the forest. No way. And so immediately they shut up. And I want to tell them so bad that I'm a MUFON investigator and I want to hear about their orbs of light in the forest. But I don't. want to disturb them so i walk all the way down i get to that very back corner and i hear like two tree knocks in the very back yeah and.

1:09:11 So close to the area yep is that a thing I mean, it's just, it's something like it happened to us in Tennessee whenever we would go to an area of the campground. Yeah. Yeah. Just two knots. So then I decide I'm not going to go all the way around. Like I had been, I'm going to turn around and go down there, down the way that I came and down that road. Well, as I'm walking the curvature of that road, I get two pebbles thrown at my feet and I'm 375 feet away from where I just heard the two knots. And then I looked down in my phone. Wrote two handwritten notes that I didn't even know my phone could do.

1:09:51 I didn't know you can do handwritten notes. That's weird. It was so weird. And I'm like, that's weird that I got two knocks, two handwritten notes, and two pebbles thrown at my feet all within five minutes. Strange. Just a strange observation. So that was the night before. Okay. So then we go to the Hobbit Beach. We come back 10 o'clock at night. I realize I've left something in the trunk of the car. I go out to the trunk of the car. I hit the beep beep, grab my bag. And I look, because her trunk is facing that campground. All those guys have checked out. It's Sunday night. They've got probably going back to work Monday.

1:10:34 And I look all the way to the left and I can see what I thought for one second. You know, it's like microseconds. You're thinking so fast. I'm like, that's a star. No, no. That is an airplane. No, that is. And then all of a sudden it just starts coming down and I can see it clearly because now it's in front of the dark part of the trees. It gets about four feet off the ground. And I'm like, wait a minute. That's one of the campers. Wait, they're gone. No, that's someone looking with a flashlight. They've left something. They're back. You know, it's just seconds. These thoughts are going through. And then I think, no, that's someone running at me full speed with a flashlight. And then I realize nobody is there. This thing is pulsating, Jeremiah. It is the brightest white I've ever seen in my life with a blue hue around it, perfectly circular. It goes from looking like a star that just descended four feet off the ground to the size of of a tennis ball, the size of a grapefruit, the size of a volleyball, when it starts booking it at me, it is traveling so fast that I felt primal fear. The sheer size and the speed of it, I just couldn't put it in a box. My biggest regret is that I did not

1:12:05 stay there and just see what it was going to do. I couldn't. I felt like a lion was chasing me. I took one last look before I leap up four stairs and it is 10 feet behind me, the size of a volleyball. It was the most incredible thing that's ever happened to me in my life. That's very intense. Oh my goodness. That's one of the more intense things I've heard from that area too. Oh my goodness. And then I was nervous that I invited it because... When Wendy and I were coming back from Hobbit Beach, we turned onto that dirt road. And I saw a flash out her window. And I said, did you see that, Wendy?

1:12:50 And she's like, no, I'm driving. I'm like, oh, my peripheral. Maybe I saw that flash. And I had forgotten about that until Wendy said, you said you saw a flash. But Jeremiah, it booked it straight to me. But when it got to that road, this is what blew my mind. It followed the curvature of the road. It went right along with the road. And I'm like, what is that? That's strange to me. But I felt like I invited it because I said I had such a magical time at Hobbit Beach. I said, if there's anything there that is that amazing, that just decorated with all those crabs, that is love and unity, you are absolutely allowed to follow us.

1:13:38 Yeah. Okay. Maybe I, maybe I shouldn't have said that. That's wild. Um, the light it, so no sound along with it, right? None. Nothing. Creepy. No, nothing. It was, it was pretty wild. Yeah. And then the last, I think that was it. And the last, but not least, um, I just went two weeks ago. I was having, I was kind of emotional about some stuff and I needed just a timeout, a break. And so I tried to pull a Wendy and look at the map and go, well, I've always heard about Lake Thunderbird, but everybody's always on this side, the Marina, the trails.

1:14:32 I'm like, I want to go to the other side. So I found on the other side, little axe and little river and there's a rock quarry there and there were only two airbnbs so i chose to stay at one when i arrive i mean once i got to lake thunderbird it took me probably 20-25 minutes in the boonies to get to this little airbnb i'm i just i'm blown away that seek and you shall find what are the chances that the first time i've ever been to lake thunderbird And I choose a location just off the topography. And holy cow, I was at a gold mine.

1:15:17 I send the owner a message and I say, what kind of animals do you have here? Am I allowed to walk these 40 acres? And he's like, yeah, yeah. Would you like me to give you a little tour? So he comes out, gives me a little tour. And I can hear goats. chickens, roosters, cows. And when I got there, it was like 7 p.m. at night and all the farm animals are going crazy, even the roosters. He comes out, walks around with me. He's a young buck. He's probably in his 20s, linguistics, military dude, going to tinker. He's in the Air Force. Him and his roommate are both there. And he says, I just moved here. I said, what animals are here? And he's like, well, I don't know a ton about this land because I just moved here June 20th. And I'm like, you just moved here June 20th? And he said, somehow we got on animals and strangeness. And he said, there are some strange sounds out here. We were talking about the animals. And I said, like what? And I could tell that he was hesitant. Well, as we're talking, Jeremiah, I hear in the distance, I want to try to impersonate it, but I don't think I can. I hear what sounds like a man pretending to cock-a-doodle-doo.

1:16:28 No way. And him and I look at each other and he just looks like a deer in headlights. And I go, was that your buddy? And he says, no, I don't know what that was. And he said, I'm telling you, there's some weird noises at her. I'm like, what? Like, what kind of strange things happened? And he tells me, I had a dead chicken on my front porch last night. And I'm like, you did? He said, something's taken my neighbor's chickens. And he said, and every feather was plucked out of it. And then he said last week he had a dead chicken on his grill and half of the feathers were plucked out of it. And it was still alive. That's weird.

1:17:08 Then he said the week before he had another dead chicken on the side of his house. That was all the fluff. They were all plucked. So that picture that I was showing you, he said, and yeah, these cans right here have been sitting on this table. And every day we get two feathers there. And he opened his door and showed me and he had a ton of feathers. I'm going to show that real quick. Yeah, show it. I said, I'm going to say something. Please don't think I'm strange, but do you think you have Sasquatch on your property? And he said, that's what my buddy and I have been trying to, we've been wondering. We've been wondering if we have. So the heat comes out, kind of confirms everything that's happening on the property. And then his buddy proceeds to tell me that two weeks after they moved in, after June 20th, they were sitting by the fire. And there was a huge tree and a bunch of bushes, probably 30 feet from the fire.

1:18:03 And he said he could hear a growl that was so deep, it reverberated their chest and they got up in the house. And so I sent him a couple historical reports from the BFRO to show him, no, you're not crazy. I think you really do have Sasquatch on your property. I was just more tripped out that the one place that I choose to go And it's there. Yeah, that's weird as all get out. But it makes sense with everything else that you've said, to be honest. Did he say if the chickens had, did they still have heads? Yeah, yeah.

1:18:44 He said they were just dead and all the feathers were plucked out of two of them. And then half of the feathers died. plucked out of one of them. And one was still alive. Yeah. Isn't that wild? That's some, that's some, some wild, wild stuff. My goodness. You are going for it. It sounds like you have, I mean, you were talking earlier, you have a future plan. plan pretty soon to go to a wilderness area nearby and check it out. Wendy's driving down tomorrow morning. I'm meeting her at 10 30 AM at the Sutton wilderness. And we're doing the Indian point trail. We're going to try to hike two trails tomorrow. I don't know. She didn't care if it's 105 degrees, she's going to hike. And so I'm glad she's coming to Oklahoma. Yeah.

1:19:31 That's awesome. What, what a cool, cool idea. story you've had a cool journey you've had over the, over the few years. Cause it's, I mean, it's really not that long if you think about it. No. Well, eight years, well, six years. I remember 2020 when the world shut down, that's when they told us about disclosure and I'm like, they're telling us that cause nobody's paying attention. So yeah, it's been six years and it's, it's definitely, it's, My thoughts have changed. I had a question for you, Jeremiah. Yes. Yes, absolutely.

1:20:13 All of the podcasts that I've listened to that you have done, I mean, I can tell they're obviously pretty intelligent. Who do you think is... My husband and I have this argument. Who's smarter, humans or Bigfoot? So.... Who's more intelligent? They're smarter because they know to stay in the woods. Yeah. Man, and a lot of people get bent out of shape over this, but I think they're absolutely smarter. I mean, just the stuff that's reported that happens alongside of them.

1:20:55 And I think a lot of it is that they know how to do things that we have forgotten to do. That was my next question. And I go off that because you hear all these different reports of people going to certain areas like Oak Hole and Oak Ridge or just random power spots. And then they have almost like, it's like they remember how to do things or they have things unlocked. And it's just, I think that we have we've forgotten to do a lot of things and that probably has to do with like technology and stuff like that. But they definitely know how to do things a lot, a lot more than, than we do.

1:21:45 And yeah, of course, you know, definitely more adaptable. More adaptable can survive more for sure. But I mean, I, That's my thought. And there's so many people that get bent out of shape because they want humans to be like the smartest thing out there. But I don't think that's the case. And I've never seen one, but what I've experienced is there's something very smart out there. It is smart enough to respond to when you ask it verbally to do something and some weird stuff out there. It is so weird. That's funny that that was my next question is, do you think that their abilities are something that we either used to be able to do and have forgotten or something that we will evolve to do?

1:22:33 Um, I think it's, I think it's more, yeah, that we've forgotten too. And I mean, that's the whole rabbit rabbit trail where it's like, you look into like, Oh, so what's it called? Um, it's a podcast, uh, where it goes into, um, People with autism being able to, you know, the telepathy tapes, right? You've heard of those. And like, it's just a fascinating case study. And I think that all of that has, there's some connection there, you know? There absolutely is. I know my husband works with the autism community. Oh, cool.

1:23:13 He has worked with prodigious savants. Wow. It's pretty incredible. So I've gone down that rabbit hole for sure, too, and listened to all the telepathy tapes. It's incredible. Yeah, there's something going on. Patty, thank you so much for coming on the show. I want to make sure, are you an individual where, you know, pretty much, is there anything that you want to make sure people know about if you're a person where I'm open for contact or I don't think do you have a, I don't think you have a YouTube channel. I mean, you're just one of those special, special individuals. I'm just a.

1:23:53 Seeker and want to know more curious little cat. So I mean, people can find me on Facebook, but no, I don't have any platforms, but thank you for your platform. You're really changing and normalizing it. Thank you. That's, that's the goal is to give people a place to, to talk about what they've experienced and also to just get it out there and, One of these days. We're going to start hearing stuff. I think we are. I think we are, but we will stay in touch for sure. I know that you will, you'll stay in touch and keep me up to date with what's going on, but thank you so much for coming on the show today, Patty. Thank you and bless you.

1:24:33 Thanks again to Patty for coming on the show. And if you've had a Bigfoot encounter of your own, I would love to hear from you. You can send me an email with your encounter information. at bigfootsociety at gmail.com. I've come out with a free report about the top 10 Bigfoot hotspots. You can go over to bit.ly forward slash BFS report. I'm Jeremiah Byron. Thanks for listening to Bigfoot Society and I'll see you in the woods.