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Sept. 13, 2026

It's Followed Me from Board Camp to Oakridge!

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Season 1

Note: This is the original version of the interview with 8 minutes that were cut for the public. If you like me chit chatting at the beginning then you'll like this.

A former MUFON investigator went to Oakridge, Oregon searching for answers. One night outside her cabin, something came out of the darkness and headed straight toward her.


In this episode of Bigfoot Society, Patti Valvo shares what happened during an investigation that took her deep into some of the most active and mysterious locations in Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Oregon.


Near Oakridge, Patti heard unexplained knocks along the edge of the Willamette National Forest and experienced small objects landing near her as she walked back toward the cabin. Then came the encounter that sent her running—a brilliant ball of light descending near the forest and rapidly closing the distance behind her.


Patti also takes us to Sparks Lake, where she documented enormous barefoot impressions near the water, and Waldo Lake, where strange tree formations added another layer to an area already connected to disturbing eyewitness reports.


Her journey also includes Area X in Southeast Oklahoma, Board Camp Crystal Mine in Arkansas, a remote property near Lake Thunderbird experiencing unexplained vocalizations and animal activity, and an unsettling discovery beside a creek in an undisclosed location.


This is a journey through Bigfoot country with a former UFO investigator who started asking questions about what might be happening in the forests—and found herself experiencing things she still cannot explain.


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I couldn't. I felt like a lion was chasing me.

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I took one last look before I leap up four

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stairs and it is 10 feet behind me, the size

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of a volleyball.

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This is Bigfoot Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Today's guest

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is Patti Valvo, a former MUFON field investigator whose search

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eventually took her from southeast Oklahoma into Bigfoot country and

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ultimately to Oak Ridge, Oregon. While staying near the edge

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of the Willamette National Forest, Patti started experiencing some very

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strange activity around the property. Then one night, she walked

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out to her vehicle and saw something coming toward her

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that she still struggles to explain. Here's Patti.

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I was just doing reports at home though. And that

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got redundant. I was like, I want to go out

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and see these places. Like you can figure out the cosmos,

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whether there's military operations, if there's weather phenomenon, you can

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do all that stuff, you know, right here at home.

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But I'm like, I want to get out there and

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see what is, why Southeast Oklahoma has so many sightings.

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I wanted to get boots on the ground. whether I

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was going by myself or with a friend.

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And when you say that, are you referring to UFOs

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or to Bigfoot?

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Both.

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How did you then, so you're in MUFON, then for

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right now, you are totally into in the Bigfoot stuff.

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You are going all over the place. We'll get into that.

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How did that happen? The going from MUFON into now

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we're really looking into some Bigfoot activity.

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Well, it happened because I had a case, my, I

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think it was my second case and it was Shane church,

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which I'm, he's given me permission to say that with

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red dirt cryptids and he, and it was one year

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prior to when he was telling me about it. And

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I'm like, we need to file a report on this.

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Let's do all the data and just double check and

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make sure he said that they were setting up a

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parabolic mic and they were going down to their location.

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To set it up. And they had book fit on

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the brain. But they look up at the treetops. And

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there is a. There is a UAP UFO. Spinning within

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a wheel. Within a wheel. And it has three amber lights. Circular.

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And he said it had all these glitter. Twinkly lights

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in between. And. It was right over the tree tops

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and it started to move off and they should have

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followed it. But he said we were had Bigfoot on

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the brain. We were on a mission. So I took

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his whole report and it was one of the only ones,

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the first ones that I had taken that it was

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an actually unidentified UAP. Usually we can find a reason

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what it is. But what blew my mind about that

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is that I had become friends with Jimmy Williams on.

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I don't know if you know who he is. I

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think he's kind of an independent person. He was telling

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me that the same night he saw the same UAP

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and they were within a mile from each other. And

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I believe one of them had a Sasquatch sighting that night.

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I feel like it was Jimmy, but I really can't

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remember that. Don't quote me on that. But I remember

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just being blown away that they described it exactly the same.

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I mean, word for word, verbatim. I just knew there

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was something to that.

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That is absolutely fascinating. And the notes you provided, I

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have to say, probably the best notes that anyone coming

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on the show ever has provided. So thank you for that.

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And I remember the part of your notes, because were

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there actually three separate Bigfoot groups that had sightings of.

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Or no there was actually two groups but there were

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three i thought there were three individuals i only talked

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to three individuals gustone um shane church and jimmy but

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jimmy was with somebody and i think the guys were

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with someone else that i didn't know so there were multiple.

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Got it so then so then that gets you that's

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your your catalyst um it sounds like that there's some

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connection here between the UFO UAPs and Bigfoot and what's

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going on.

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Yes. But at this point, I still think that I'm

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just looking for a undiscovered ape.

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Okay. Right.

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Right.

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Cause most, most individuals will go down that road. So, okay.

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So that's another thing. So then you, you go through the,

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that journey and and how is how is that journey

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was there a incident that happened that made you think

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or realize that yeah we've got this whole bigfoot thing

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is not just a gorilla out in the world.

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Yeah that that was a little bit later but i

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have to say i didn't know what happened first when

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i became a move on investigator and i did that

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that case with that shame church i started seeing orbs

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of light in my room in my bedroom at night.

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And then I was really blown away. I'm like, was

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it the chicken or the egg? And I was, I

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was warned about this from my director who had experienced

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the same thing after she became the director.

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I really want to hear, hear more about that. So you,

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she experienced it too.

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Wow.

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Um, so can you describe these, these orbs that you're

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seeing in your, your room?

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Yes. I would wake up in the middle of the night.

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Now keep in mind, I'd been in a car accident too.

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I'd had a couple of things. I'd fallen off a ship.

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I had been in a car accident. Every time I

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had a hip replacement at 41, every single time something

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took me out and I had to sit and be

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still with this ADHD body, it was really hard on me,

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but I grew in other ways. I, my intuition, I'm

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49 years old now. I, had these things happen when

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I was young, but it definitely, I was able to

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hone in on some of these abilities. And once I

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started seeing UFOs, they definitely amplified. I felt like a

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sixth sense was awakened in me. I didn't start seeing

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the orbs of light in my bedroom. I was so

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hurt from all my issues. I would get in the

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hot tub and I would pray and meditate. And I Jeremiah,

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I would open my eyes and there would be several UFOs.

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And so then I went down the rabbit hole of

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Chris Bledsoe and I read his book, UFO God. And

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when I would experience these things, it would feel like love.

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And I thought, I don't care what people say. It

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comes when I pray. It feels like love. And then

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I started to hear things that I thought was my

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own voice. And then I would wait at night. I

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would be sleeping and I'm a dreamer and I would

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wake up in the middle of the night and I

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would use the restroom and I would come back to

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bed and I would just see a bing. Like it

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looked like a tiny little star, a little white light

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just flash.

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Okay.

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And then it would get my attention and then I

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would see it and it would float around the room.

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As a tiny white star.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Interesting.

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I got chills right now.

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That is so wild.

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But it's the feeling. It's not just I saw a

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ball of light in my bedroom.

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Right.

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The vibration, the humming, my body would be buzzing, my

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ears would be ringing. And then the next day I

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would have an enhanced sense of intuition that seemed ramped

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up for a few days after a sighting. And within

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one year I saw over 50 UFOs around my home

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and I live close to Oklahoma city. So I'm not

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in rural country. How am I seeing them in my backyard?

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It tests your sanity to where at times when I

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started hearing something guiding me beautifully things, I didn't know

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things I shouldn't know. Um, I started to realize there's

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a connection and, and, and it was enhanced by that.

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And then I started reading other people who had the

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counters and Michelle Heaton, her being a dreamer, Sam, when

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Sam Chandler came on, I was laughing, crying, everything he

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said about the vision of the female Sasquatch. I've experienced that.

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I mean, I thought I was talking when he was talking.

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I was laughing, crying. What you do for people, Jeremiah,

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you thank you for giving people a safe space to

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talk about this stuff. I remember thinking I will never

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breathe a word of any of this. Boy, has that changed.

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You really are making a huge difference that trickles down

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so far, whether you understand how deep it goes or not.

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It's very important. And I thank you for that.

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I appreciate that. Sometimes it, yeah, there's a lot going on.

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I've experienced that once. It was actually during an interview.

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I can't remember which one it was, but I looked

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across the room and it was, it was like a

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little tiny golden marble floating in. And I was like,

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Oh no.

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Mine are almost like white blue. I feel like everyone

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I've seen is so white and blue with a blue hue.

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Okay.

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And then, I mean, and I've talked about this a

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few times, but when I was in Tennessee before the

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cancer diagnosis, that night up on the mountain. that was

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the first time I've seen multiple orbs out in the woods.

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And that was a life-changing experience. It was just like,

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what is going on? Like, they're not lightning bugs.

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Yes.

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Shining lights on them. There's nothing there.

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It's crazy, man.

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It is crazy.

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It's wild. I just... I don't know what to, to,

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to think about it, but it's why I, um, have definitely, uh, uh, taken, uh,

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things like prayer, uh, more, more serious, more seriously, more frequently. Um,

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so interesting. Um, man, I know there are so many

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different places that we need to go, uh, cause you've provided,

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provided you the information. What would be the most, um,

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the most logical thing to talk about next, Patty, do

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you think?

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Let's go to Albion. So I go to... This is

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when we were going to my first festival. I was like,

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let's go check this out. Let's go meet these people.

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So I went to Albion, and we stayed in an

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A-frame there. It was great to meet everybody. I got

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to meet Daryl Adams and Mark. Oh, I didn't meet

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Mark once that time.

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So....

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The second night we stayed in the cabin, I am

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like a little Native American woman on the land. I

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brought tobacco. I blessed the land. I sat and meditated

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on the land under a fire and I could get

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flashes almost of what the land looked like.

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I don't know.

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I'm taking a guess.

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1600s.

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I feel like I could see. what the land used

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to look like and it used to look very different.

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So after I gave an offering of tobacco and then

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I placed apples around and gifts, I meditated and then

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within a couple hours after, my husband and I are

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out there and he captures one of the most incredible

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UAP videos ever. I think it was in 4K, it

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was amazing. We see a flash, and then it kind

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of acted like the one in Oak Ridge. It just

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continues to flash, and it almost responds to me speaking

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to it. I mean, it appeared to be. And we

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got it all on recording. I think you have that here, too.

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That's why it's called Flash of Beauty, honey. Right there.

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We're seeing an orb.

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What is it? You got it on recording?

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Are you recording that?

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Yeah, it's just.

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One of the time you do it, at least.

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Come on.

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Show us.

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Show us. Are you honing in on that?

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I'm trying.

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I saw two. Oh, wow.

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Pretty. Oh!

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Do you have the tree in it for reference? Yeah.

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So we can see how far it is tomorrow. Thank you, Lord.

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Thank you, forest people, if that's you or whoever. Thank you, God.

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That was cool. I won't be like Dave Wilbanks and

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go follow it. He just talked about that. And I

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just saw another one, Curtis. I can't keep my eyes straight. Oh,

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it's going. I just saw something shoot across, too. Did

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you see that? No. Diagonal in the mountains. Show us again.

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It's dim. Can you see how dim it is? That

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was awesome. Did you see that?

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Yeah.

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Are you still on it?

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Yeah, this thing's been going on stuff. Is it catching

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more in the camera than it is? No, I mean,

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I'm looking at it. It's not colors. In the camera,

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there's two. I've only seen the one. No, there's one

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over here. There's no lightening. There's no ball lightning out there.

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There's no storms. No, super clear night.

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You're literally looking at the kind of mountain, so, I mean,

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this is where.

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All the light phenomenon is reported. How cool.

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Super cool.

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And gone. Wow.

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And the next day, my husband went out and took

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a picture of the tree that it was hovering over

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because I could even see in the dark the tree

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turn red. Later, we found out it burned that tree.

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And that was the highest radiation reading that Mark Wentz

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had ever had. So after that happens, I call Tanya

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Kordak from Bigfoot Enigma Museum. And she says, let me

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call my friend Mark Witts. He's a theoretical physicist, a

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nuclear physicist, and an astrophysicist. And he's 71 years old.

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And he's been at the University of Arkansas, a professor there,

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I believe, 41 years. Smart dude. Thorough. He comes out

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within 12 hours of us checking out. And he is

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there for, I think he goes back two or three times.

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He does radiation and testing he does electromagnetic testing he

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does soil samples tree samples lease leaf samples it burned

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the top of that tree and when it was over

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that tree jeremiah it was ejecting uap ufos out of

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it like balls of light out of it as if

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it was burning other ones well then um My husband

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could not see those coming out. I could see things.

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That's when I realized, too, that I could see things

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with my eyes that he could not see. But when

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we blew that video up on the screen, you can

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see sparkles and electrical energy all over that Kaimichi Mountain.

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It was insane. I could see it with my real eyes,

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but he could just see the what. My husband is

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a very logical person, and that blew his mind. So yeah,

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that was the highest reading. An average reading for a

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radiation is under 50 and 7,200 high, extremely high would

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be a thousand.

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It's crazy. 7,200 compared to, I mean, the lowest elevation

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elevated you have here is a thousand. Even that is

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72 times. That's wild. That is wild.

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And Mark decides to reach out to the Airbnb owner.

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And I tell the Airbnb owner what's happening on his land.

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And Tanya tells me that there's only two other houses

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on that land. And one guy's a cattle rancher and

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the other one moved out of the home a year prior.

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His wife died and he had those orbs of light

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in his home. Well, we find out two weeks prior

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that there was a cattle mutilation there. And it was

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your classic cattle mutilation. Sexual reproductive organs removed, ears lasered off,

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nose lasered off. Um, all just like laser cut all

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the organs removed and the cow was dropped from high

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because it was three or four inches down into the dirt.

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Really not one drop of.

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Blood anywhere so that just added more confusion and then

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i wasn't sure if i ever wanted to stay back

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there again.

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That's some risk and walk a ranch stuff uh patty

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that's That's wild. Did you guys have any, uh, You know,

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going through treatment right now for cancer. So I'm kind

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of like binge watching some stuff. So I'm watching, you know,

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secret skin Walker ranch and, um, some really into it

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right now, but did you have any, like, uh, any weird, uh,

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physical effects that came up after being on that property?

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No, just heightened me, not my husband, just a heightened

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sense of, of intuition.

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That's amazing.

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Extremely for the next few days.

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Okay.

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Lots of buzz being, yeah, charged energy. So that was that.

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I think it wasn't until I got to Uncle Joe's

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Ranch in Tuscahoma. That's when I, you asked, when did

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I realize I was not just searching for another primate? Yeah. Yeah.

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So then we go from there. Two, I meet Wendy.

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I know you haven't met Wendy yet. She's incredible. I

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meet her online and I can't believe the Lord has

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brought me a friend that is just like me. We

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have identical in our beliefs and our interests. And so

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we're like, let's meet. So we decided to go to

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the Bigfoot Enigma Research Center Museum and go to Brian

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Terrell's class. And that's where I got to finally meet

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Mark Wentz and at Uncle Joe's Ranch. That is where

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I started experiencing major paranormals. And that's when I got

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very confused, like, what is going on here? So we

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go to the class. I hear Tanya talking to somebody

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at the class about a home that was destroyed by

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a Sasquatch after the gentleman said he was going to

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Texas to get enough ammo to kill that thing. Yep.

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And I told Tanya, we're going up that road. And

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she said, Patty, you won't make it up that road.

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You'll break an axle. And so I said, well, we're

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going to go up as far as we can. And

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I do not go with packing heat, but I travel

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with a chest pack and bear spray. And so her

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and I followed each other up that road. And there

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I see... I can't get to the cabin that's destroyed.

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She said it looked like an elephant just sat on

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the front porch, that it completely caved in the deck

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after he said he was going to unalive that thing.

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So once we get so high up, the road was

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really rough. I was in shock when we got up there.

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I was in culture shock. A lot of the homes

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had outhouses. People were living off grid. Huge rocks around

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their houses and somebody had glued dinosaurs all over them.

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There was Bigfoot crossing signs. I realized these people know

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that Sasquatch is here. And so at some point we

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see a man with a firearm coming up with a Polaris.

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And I'm thinking, how do you have a Polaris when

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you have an outhouse? He's got a firearm. He's dressed

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in camo. He's blaring Metallica. He speeds past us and

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sees Wendy and I like, I don't know these chicks

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and starts rolling back. And I'm like, time to go.

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We need to get out of there.

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So we jump in our cars and, you know, you

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got to do a five point turn to get down road.

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And right. She's turning and taking her time and I

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can't move until she gets moved. So I look over

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to the right and there's a creek. And a dead deer.

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So I immediately run over really quick because the guy's

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backed up. He's going again. I'm feeling like it's safe

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just to take a peek. And that is when I

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saw my first footprint. And I had to move fast.

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I couldn't take a picture or anything because I think

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we were both nervous to get off that mountain. I

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saw a deer with its head twisted around twice. Its

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two back legs were broken and there was one footprint

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in the dirt in the creek. And that was just

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seeing a print live, it just changes everything.

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So I want to make sure I got that. So

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you saw a deer that was neck twisted and there's

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a footprint right next to that deer?

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Yes. I could see the heel, very distinct. The toes,

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not perfect, but I absolutely knew what it was. And

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that really set it in. This is real. I just

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couldn't believe This girl's going to, woman's going to go out, me,

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and actually find evidence. No, I thought I was just

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going to go put some boots on the ground and

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just see what these places are like. I never dreamed

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I would actually start seeing and experiencing the things that

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I did. And it'll get you.

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What were the dimensions, if you were to estimate?

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I want to say the heel was probably four or

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five inches wide. Maybe 16.

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Oh, wow. Okay. Well.

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Not quite as big as the cast that I have

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in front of me right now that was gifted to

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me from Brian Houlin and Jane Church. Oh, nice.

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Very nice.

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So not quite that big. And we had to move fast.

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So I just jumped back in the car and we

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went back down the logging road. And that night we

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sat by the fire. And then we decided Wendy and

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I were going to get to know each other. She's amazing.

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She has some sort of connection with the forest people.

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I don't understand it. She reminds me of Carlos. She

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intrigues me. Everywhere she goes, she finds a structure. I

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don't care if she just picks a place on the map.

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She has a photographic memory. She can almost just intuitively say,

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I'm going here. And I've never seen her not find something.

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So I thought, I got to get on the field

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with this woman. She's incredible.

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Absolutely.

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I thought if I'm going to go with anybody, I

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want it to be someone who's warm and loving. I

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didn't want to be with anybody that's packing ammo and

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ready to take something out or have an ugly attitude.

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It was important to me who I surrounded myself with

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going through this.

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I think that is very smart of you to say.

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And it's one of the things I've realized over the

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years is if you're going to go out, take the

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time to take the time to get to know the

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person that you're going out to one for safety to, uh,

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just to make sure that, I mean, the chances that

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you go out like in your situation, you're probably going

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to have something happen more than if you're with a

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guy who's like, I just want to be famous and

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become a millionaire. Well, that's, it's, you're probably not going

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to have anything happen or you're get chased out.

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Yeah, for sure. I didn't want to go with anybody

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that would have the potential to get bluff charged or

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I don't know. I don't know how that works. But

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so that night, while we're sitting around the fire, this

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is when the paranormal started. I was joking with Wendy

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about my 20th anniversary. I wanted a new diamond ring

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and I wanted a triangle rock. I was said, I

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want a triangle rock. I want a big old triangle rock.

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And I thought, I better second guess that because I

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do nails for a living and I could scratch somebody

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doing a pedicure. Jeremiah, after sitting by that fire and

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playing those sound bowls, I go into the restroom in

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my cabin and I'm pretty OCD and ADHD. I will

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notice everything. The cabin was quaint. It was cute. It

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was clean. I would have noticed a rock on the wall.

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I walk in there and there is this, that picture

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that you're showing this triangle rock right in the middle

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of the floor. And I'm like, no way. That reminds

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me of Daryl Adams and Toad.

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Oh, sure, yeah.

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When they would say they would discuss something and then

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it would happen. Go back out, play some cymbals, sit

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by the fire, talk to Wendy. I had to come

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back in for something. I took the rock out, showed her,

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we discussed it. I come back in and there is

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another rock sitting in the same place. And I thought,

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this is paranormal. What is happening here? So those were

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really the only two things that happened there with the rock.

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And then that night, I tried to meditate in that

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little cabin after Wendy and I went to bed. And

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that was the weirdest meditation I think I'd ever done.

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I feel like I'm pretty experienced at this. After my

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hip replacement, I had to learn how to walk again, basically.

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They cut my femoral nerve. And for 10 months, I

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was on a walker cane. And I spent a lot

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of time, because I got really depressed and anxious, and

464
00:27:30.299 --> 00:27:32.859
I thought, I've got to fight and come back. Well,

465
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:38.099
I thought, I'm too ADHD to ever try to meditate. Boy,

466
00:27:38.140 --> 00:27:42.440
was I wrong. It enhanced whatever I had going on

467
00:27:42.539 --> 00:27:46.160
anyway from all these things that I could do. It

468
00:27:47.019 --> 00:27:51.039
increased it for sure. And then it drew me back more.

469
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:55.259
And I was hearing, like I said, as an investigator

470
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:57.769
for MUFON, I was seeing the orbs of light and

471
00:27:57.829 --> 00:28:04.190
hearing things, still thinking it was myself until that night.

472
00:28:04.210 --> 00:28:08.980
I did this meditation and it reminded me of Sam Chandler.

473
00:28:09.339 --> 00:28:12.940
When he talked about it, I could see this individual

474
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:17.579
and it was so powerful. Jeremiah, my teeth were chattering.

475
00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:21.460
It reminded me when I was giving birth, my whole

476
00:28:21.589 --> 00:28:25.660
body was just shaking. My ears were ringing. And I

477
00:28:25.740 --> 00:28:27.819
had to pull out of it. It was too powerful.

478
00:28:27.859 --> 00:28:30.220
And it was the weirdest meditation I'd ever done. And

479
00:28:30.269 --> 00:28:34.150
I thought, could it be that I'm at this place? Well,

480
00:28:34.190 --> 00:28:37.230
there's already paranormal stuff happening inside the little cabin. And

481
00:28:37.269 --> 00:28:40.109
now I'm feeling like this. So it just led to

482
00:28:40.150 --> 00:28:41.509
more questions than answers.

483
00:28:42.470 --> 00:28:45.230
I've got a few questions about this. This is wild stuff.

484
00:28:45.250 --> 00:28:49.910
So is this place you're at just a some Airbnb

485
00:28:49.950 --> 00:28:52.089
that you had stumbled upon. That's right.

486
00:28:52.190 --> 00:28:55.349
Wendy, Wendy found it. She picks all of our locations.

487
00:28:55.650 --> 00:28:58.990
She is kind of a map genius. She, I think

488
00:28:59.029 --> 00:29:03.910
she has a photographic memory and she, she does tomorrow.

489
00:29:03.950 --> 00:29:06.960
We're going to set in wilderness outside of Norman. Cause

490
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:10.059
I just was in shock. No way that something could

491
00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:11.539
be that close to Oklahoma city.

492
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:15.500
When you're doing meditation, are you doing, do you do like,

493
00:29:16.410 --> 00:29:18.670
a guided thing, like let's say the gateway tapes, or

494
00:29:18.690 --> 00:29:20.829
you're just like, you're going into it and it is

495
00:29:20.890 --> 00:29:24.230
just you and the meta you're just doing it.

496
00:29:24.750 --> 00:29:28.329
I've done it all. I've done guided. I've done command

497
00:29:28.450 --> 00:29:31.750
cell therapy. When I was trying to heal from my

498
00:29:31.789 --> 00:29:35.579
car accident and hip replacement, where you listen to it,

499
00:29:35.630 --> 00:29:40.779
you're commanding yourselves. I would do guided. I started doing

500
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:42.740
it because I was in so much pain. I started

501
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:47.869
seeing a doctor named Dr. Ahmed Guman who did acupuncture

502
00:29:47.890 --> 00:29:50.109
on me and he would put in a guided imagery

503
00:29:50.210 --> 00:29:52.970
and he would leave. Well, I'm so ADHD and high

504
00:29:53.069 --> 00:29:56.279
strung and intense that That was the only way you

505
00:29:56.299 --> 00:29:58.029
were going to get me there to sit for 30

506
00:29:58.029 --> 00:30:00.710
minutes with 50 needles in me. And he would put

507
00:30:00.769 --> 00:30:03.710
it on. And I just thought, what is that stuff?

508
00:30:04.269 --> 00:30:07.210
So I started doing it. And sometimes I just do

509
00:30:07.230 --> 00:30:11.839
it to different frequencies. It's a lot of visual. I

510
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:16.859
think we are powerful human beings and our consciousness. I mean,

511
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:22.109
you are the observer with your eyes and the experiencer.

512
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:28.150
In meditation, you shut down half of that and you

513
00:30:28.210 --> 00:30:32.549
are the observer and the experiencer moving in one field.

514
00:30:32.869 --> 00:30:37.750
And I think your consciousness affects that field. And then

515
00:30:37.829 --> 00:30:41.329
I think your reality is created from your perception from

516
00:30:41.369 --> 00:30:42.829
that field. Does that make sense?

517
00:30:43.549 --> 00:30:46.289
That's really interesting.

518
00:30:46.579 --> 00:30:49.579
So that's why I think so many people have different experiences.

519
00:30:50.269 --> 00:30:52.630
When you have a group of people and you're like, well,

520
00:30:52.670 --> 00:30:55.490
I saw this. I felt this. I saw this. You

521
00:30:55.509 --> 00:30:59.509
could have one encounter and five people say it all

522
00:30:59.549 --> 00:31:06.019
turned out different. The observer, each of our consciousness affects

523
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.299
that observation. Does that make sense? Yeah.

524
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:13.200
No, absolutely. So when you go into one of those sessions,

525
00:31:13.329 --> 00:31:15.630
what is your goal when you start that?

526
00:31:18.299 --> 00:31:20.440
My goal is to not be so high strung.

527
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:21.980
Cool.

528
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.559
Well, I feel like I just am a little ball

529
00:31:26.579 --> 00:31:29.000
of energy and I have to return to myself.

530
00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:29.839
Okay.

531
00:31:29.859 --> 00:31:31.920
I have to return to myself. So I do it

532
00:31:32.109 --> 00:31:34.779
always first thing in the morning, right after I wake up.

533
00:31:35.690 --> 00:31:37.630
Sometimes I'll do it at night, but that's the best

534
00:31:37.690 --> 00:31:40.589
for me. I do it anywhere from 15 minutes to

535
00:31:40.630 --> 00:31:43.470
an hour. And I'll do a little bit of both.

536
00:31:43.529 --> 00:31:47.960
Like this morning, I did a 15 guided minute And

537
00:31:47.980 --> 00:31:51.200
then I did for about 30 on my own. You

538
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:56.309
return to self and the veil drops. The veil is thinner.

539
00:31:57.009 --> 00:32:00.789
You can experience things. I lost my dad in August

540
00:32:01.250 --> 00:32:04.269
and I was going in for a meditation just Tuesday

541
00:32:04.349 --> 00:32:10.559
for something else. And when I invite the loving guardian

542
00:32:10.690 --> 00:32:14.500
angels and any entities that come in love and unity

543
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:18.119
that are here to assist and help humanity, My father

544
00:32:18.180 --> 00:32:22.039
came through and I was a blubbering mess because I've

545
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:25.480
avoided that for almost a year because it's too painful.

546
00:32:26.940 --> 00:32:30.710
And I, so I, I, I, I don't know. I

547
00:32:30.769 --> 00:32:32.869
don't know. I'm still trying to understand it at 49

548
00:32:32.869 --> 00:32:37.410
years old, but it's a beautiful gift. And I'm fortunate

549
00:32:37.490 --> 00:32:40.730
that I was able to experience that with him, even unexpected.

550
00:32:41.809 --> 00:32:46.470
That is, that is a really special thing that happened.

551
00:32:46.490 --> 00:32:51.450
Thank you for sharing that. And you also were able

552
00:32:51.529 --> 00:32:56.589
to go to a place that has come up on

553
00:32:56.630 --> 00:33:01.500
the show a few times, the Board Camp Crystal Mine. Yes.

554
00:33:02.309 --> 00:33:06.490
And you've had some really interesting things happen. This is

555
00:33:06.630 --> 00:33:11.230
outside of Mena, Arkansas. The town is called Board Camp, right?

556
00:33:11.930 --> 00:33:15.329
Yes. And that is a very magical place. Real quick, though,

557
00:33:15.390 --> 00:33:17.930
when we left Joe's Ranch the next day, when we

558
00:33:17.970 --> 00:33:20.930
checked out, she took me to Talamina State Park to

559
00:33:20.970 --> 00:33:23.990
show me some tree stretchers. I'd only seen one in Stinchcomb.

560
00:33:24.710 --> 00:33:27.079
And that was really all I'd ever seen. When we

561
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.460
went there, nothing really happened. But when we left Jeremiah,

562
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:36.059
pebbles were thrown at my trunk and hers. And that

563
00:33:36.099 --> 00:33:38.900
blew my mind. We left apples out there, saw the

564
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.720
tree stretchers. And as we were driving off, I had

565
00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:44.539
four or five pebbles thrown at my trunk. And me

566
00:33:44.579 --> 00:33:47.400
not knowing that she did, I call her to tell her,

567
00:33:47.420 --> 00:33:50.039
and she said, I just did too. And so that

568
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:53.559
kind of blew my mind as well. So then our

569
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:56.309
next trip, I'm like, Wendy had already been to Board

570
00:33:56.329 --> 00:33:59.990
Camp Crystal Mine. And she said, you got to go

571
00:34:00.029 --> 00:34:03.269
experience it. So Orville and Cheryl were building those little cabins.

572
00:34:04.670 --> 00:34:06.369
And we wanted to be one of the first ones

573
00:34:06.410 --> 00:34:09.840
to stay in it. So much went on there. I

574
00:34:10.510 --> 00:34:13.099
almost need to pull up my notes for that one.

575
00:34:14.489 --> 00:34:19.090
I know you sent me a few audio recordings of

576
00:34:19.150 --> 00:34:22.010
you just talking about, I was like, this is really intense.

577
00:34:22.070 --> 00:34:24.670
Like you are right. A lot happened there.

578
00:34:25.329 --> 00:34:28.590
A lot happened there. The place is pretty darn magical.

579
00:34:28.750 --> 00:34:29.050
Okay.

580
00:34:29.090 --> 00:34:32.570
So right out the gate. And I was so happy

581
00:34:32.610 --> 00:34:35.309
to take my husband because he doesn't see, I mean,

582
00:34:35.329 --> 00:34:38.150
he's been with me 20 plus years, but for him

583
00:34:38.190 --> 00:34:40.929
to experience it, I could hardly watch the sky because

584
00:34:40.989 --> 00:34:43.400
I've seen a million UFOs. I just wanted to watch

585
00:34:43.460 --> 00:34:46.590
him the whole time. Just taking it all in. So

586
00:34:46.690 --> 00:34:51.179
board camp crystal mine. Okay. We just arrived. We're about

587
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:54.960
to unpack. And I bring three little mushrooms that are

588
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:59.510
authentic stones for the forest people. I put my luggage

589
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:03.889
up on the bed. And he's laying in the bed resting.

590
00:35:03.909 --> 00:35:08.550
And I thought, like, did you throw a rock, Curtis?

591
00:35:08.730 --> 00:35:12.909
I heard something ricochet around the room. And I looked

592
00:35:13.010 --> 00:35:15.969
under the bed and I found that little red mushroom.

593
00:35:16.309 --> 00:35:20.409
I didn't bring any red mushrooms or anything plastic. I

594
00:35:20.429 --> 00:35:24.199
brought those little ceramic ones. So it was almost like,

595
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:27.739
how would something know that I was bringing it mushrooms

596
00:35:27.900 --> 00:35:31.760
and then a mushroom just fall out of thin air

597
00:35:31.860 --> 00:35:34.150
in the cabin. I mean, both of us were kind

598
00:35:34.170 --> 00:35:37.050
of blown away. So as I'm standing at that little window,

599
00:35:37.210 --> 00:35:40.590
I look out and I see those two crystals on

600
00:35:40.650 --> 00:35:44.369
the deck. And I'm like, Curtis, those were not out there.

601
00:35:44.389 --> 00:35:48.369
And as we're debating it, I looked back out the

602
00:35:48.429 --> 00:35:50.750
window and it had been 30 seconds. I had just

603
00:35:50.789 --> 00:35:54.630
looked out that window and there was a bunch of

604
00:35:54.690 --> 00:35:57.719
little daisy flowers that had been ripped up and set

605
00:35:58.449 --> 00:36:04.519
on the deck. Even it was just strange. It was fast.

606
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:07.260
It was strange. And I thought, what is going on here?

607
00:36:08.619 --> 00:36:12.949
My husband, there's an area there where Nothing has grown.

608
00:36:12.989 --> 00:36:15.030
It kind of reminds me of Heart Sworn where the

609
00:36:15.050 --> 00:36:21.630
UAP touched down. Sometimes you hear where UFOs touched down

610
00:36:21.650 --> 00:36:24.570
that nothing will ever grow there again. I've even heard

611
00:36:24.630 --> 00:36:27.469
stories of it raining and the water beating off of

612
00:36:27.510 --> 00:36:32.909
that area, which is odd. He took one step into

613
00:36:32.949 --> 00:36:36.010
that circle and we were there with Fred, Wendy and

614
00:36:36.030 --> 00:36:39.050
a couple other people. And he got lightheaded and a

615
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:41.809
piercing migraine, and he stepped out of it, and it

616
00:36:41.849 --> 00:36:42.409
would go away.

617
00:36:42.969 --> 00:36:44.610
Really? Oh, that's wild stuff.

618
00:36:45.329 --> 00:36:48.530
Okay. That place is totally wild. So you know about

619
00:36:49.010 --> 00:36:53.079
Orville getting taken. I notice in their tour they don't

620
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:56.000
talk too much about the abduction. They don't want to

621
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:59.880
scare people. But after talking to all of them and

622
00:36:59.920 --> 00:37:03.539
getting close to them, they have had some other things

623
00:37:04.510 --> 00:37:06.750
pop up on that land that they're not going to

624
00:37:06.789 --> 00:37:10.320
talk about. It just plugs in on itself.

625
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:14.400
Man, after talking to them, I was like, these guys

626
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.860
have way more to share. If this is the stuff

627
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:19.659
that they're like, yeah, we'll talk about. I mean, oh,

628
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:22.079
my goodness. I can't imagine the other stuff that you

629
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:25.869
had probably heard. But wild. Yeah.

630
00:37:26.070 --> 00:37:32.230
After watching Skinwalker Ranch and Ross Coulthart talk about national

631
00:37:32.269 --> 00:37:35.929
parks is hiding a portal. I don't know. I truly

632
00:37:35.969 --> 00:37:37.170
believe there is a portal there.

633
00:37:38.730 --> 00:37:44.090
I've never been there. And I'm just like, just, I've

634
00:37:44.110 --> 00:37:47.170
talked to multiple people that have been, I'm like something.

635
00:37:47.349 --> 00:37:50.539
And then not to, we won't get too far ahead,

636
00:37:50.579 --> 00:37:55.940
but to hear then what you shared with me about, um, uh, what,

637
00:37:56.139 --> 00:38:00.460
what is Mark has experienced. I don't know.

638
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:02.320
I want Mark to come on your show.

639
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:04.070
I'm going to reach out. I was like, after I

640
00:38:04.110 --> 00:38:06.610
talk to Patty, I'm reaching out to Mark because Mark's,

641
00:38:07.219 --> 00:38:08.920
What you shared about Mark, I was like, oh, this

642
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:10.400
is incredible stuff.

643
00:38:11.260 --> 00:38:13.820
He sent me a message and said, I thought about it, Patty,

644
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:15.869
and I'll go on the show. Oh, awesome.

645
00:38:16.150 --> 00:38:18.409
Okay. I'll definitely reach out.

646
00:38:18.429 --> 00:38:20.780
Well, let's continue with what happened to you guys. So

647
00:38:21.449 --> 00:38:26.110
first off, when you had the crystals and the. The flowers,

648
00:38:26.230 --> 00:38:29.590
you weren't hearing anyone walking around the cabin or anything.

649
00:38:29.670 --> 00:38:31.030
I mean, it doesn't sound like it.

650
00:38:31.130 --> 00:38:31.289
Nope.

651
00:38:31.869 --> 00:38:34.639
Nope. Not there. Nothing like that. But when we did

652
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:37.480
leave and check out, we were getting our luggage and

653
00:38:37.539 --> 00:38:40.659
taking it back to the car. And I walked up.

654
00:38:40.739 --> 00:38:42.719
I think I sent a picture of that. I saw

655
00:38:42.980 --> 00:38:46.280
one footprint in the leaves right outside the window. Just one.

656
00:38:47.019 --> 00:38:49.559
And it was huge. And we had seen a few

657
00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:54.010
of those back when the nursery, if that's what it is.

658
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:57.480
Over the hill where the natives would tell Orville, don't

659
00:38:57.539 --> 00:39:02.889
go past that hill, there were lots of footprints in

660
00:39:02.909 --> 00:39:05.110
the leafs. But, you know, it's not in the mud,

661
00:39:05.190 --> 00:39:08.250
so you can't really get all the details.

662
00:39:09.050 --> 00:39:13.110
This footprint here on screen, what would you say the

663
00:39:13.179 --> 00:39:14.440
length of that probably is?

664
00:39:14.420 --> 00:39:16.059
13, 14 inches maybe?

665
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:24.250
Okay. Cool, cool. I know, I gotta get better about that.

666
00:39:24.250 --> 00:39:26.429
I finally put a dollar bill at the one in

667
00:39:26.429 --> 00:39:28.340
uh oregon right.

668
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.800
That that's that's the move that that cliff taught me

669
00:39:30.820 --> 00:39:33.599
he's like just put another bill man and yeah i'm

670
00:39:33.619 --> 00:39:37.239
like oh that that makes total sense right it's yeah absolutely.

671
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:41.119
So what else um but you can if you are

672
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:44.610
a sensitive board cam crystal mind you can feel it

673
00:39:45.210 --> 00:39:46.550
You can feel it there.

674
00:39:46.570 --> 00:39:48.389
Oh, really? Like right when you get there? Yeah.

675
00:39:48.889 --> 00:39:52.909
Yes. Talk about a parallel. You can feel both. You

676
00:39:52.949 --> 00:39:58.639
can feel like it's super magical and then kind of scary. Okay.

677
00:39:58.659 --> 00:40:02.500
So that's interesting. So were you guys feeling both at

678
00:40:02.539 --> 00:40:03.679
the same time then?

679
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:06.719
I was at night. I was just trying to, when

680
00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:08.820
my husband would go to bed, I would just meditate

681
00:40:08.900 --> 00:40:11.820
and try to tune in to what was going on

682
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:15.489
around me. And you could feel both. but it's pretty magical.

683
00:40:15.570 --> 00:40:18.909
It feels, it feels good there. It's, it's amazing just

684
00:40:18.949 --> 00:40:21.389
to see so much phenomenon. And then that night we

685
00:40:21.449 --> 00:40:24.150
watched with a whole group. And like I said, I

686
00:40:24.190 --> 00:40:26.889
saw a fireball in the sky. I've seen so many

687
00:40:26.949 --> 00:40:29.840
reports about fireball, never actually saw what looked like a

688
00:40:29.889 --> 00:40:35.900
burning sun. Um, we saw over 50 UFOs, about 10 satellites,

689
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:41.000
some shooting stars. And there, there is something strange about

690
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:44.889
that place. Um, just that area where the stage is,

691
00:40:45.769 --> 00:40:49.349
it's almost like a dome, Jeremiah. You can look up

692
00:40:49.469 --> 00:40:52.769
and it's like a super highway to where I'm like,

693
00:40:52.949 --> 00:40:55.869
is this just an open space where they can travel to?

694
00:40:55.889 --> 00:40:58.610
Then you can walk to your cabin and look up

695
00:40:58.710 --> 00:41:01.739
and it'd be nothing. And it even, the sky even

696
00:41:01.820 --> 00:41:07.099
look lighter. It was strange to where we were running

697
00:41:07.179 --> 00:41:10.039
back and forth from the cabin to the stage to

698
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:14.960
see if we could, see the difference. And it was like, still,

699
00:41:15.300 --> 00:41:17.260
when we got to the cabin, nothing. And then you

700
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:19.360
go to the stage and it's just super high wave stuff.

701
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:24.150
I was going to ask this real quick. So were

702
00:41:24.250 --> 00:41:28.429
other people there also hanging out and where do you

703
00:41:28.469 --> 00:41:32.070
think other people were experiencing things or your experience was,

704
00:41:32.289 --> 00:41:33.130
was pretty unique?

705
00:41:33.829 --> 00:41:36.699
Oh no, I think everybody experienced things there. That's just

706
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:39.840
like a whole group experience. You experience it together. He

707
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:44.250
really doesn't want people walking together. anywhere on the land

708
00:41:44.349 --> 00:41:49.869
by themselves. And I'm like, why? I think he's concerned

709
00:41:49.909 --> 00:41:53.780
about that. You know, we also walked around with paper

710
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:57.920
clips in our pockets because all the metal on 40

711
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:01.400
acres is magnetized ever since the three pillars of light

712
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:03.960
showed up. You can just stick it to it. And

713
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:08.059
then compasses won't work there. They just spin. It's like

714
00:42:08.099 --> 00:42:09.699
a pulse shift or something. It's different.

715
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:14.030
It's so... That's... That's similar to some of the Skinwalker

716
00:42:14.050 --> 00:42:16.010
Ranch stuff too. Some of the experiments.

717
00:42:16.429 --> 00:42:22.030
And then all the trees grow crazy. They're like S trees,

718
00:42:22.090 --> 00:42:26.380
trees that should be straight. They're curling in spirals and

719
00:42:26.820 --> 00:42:30.960
just weird triangles and weird trees. So everything is just

720
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:31.659
odd there.

721
00:42:33.099 --> 00:42:38.269
Whoops, I skipped ahead. The other interesting thing I remember

722
00:42:38.309 --> 00:42:41.239
them saying in the interview is that They have a

723
00:42:41.300 --> 00:42:44.860
lot of reports of healing happening there.

724
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.340
Oh, I wouldn't be surprised.

725
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:47.989
Interesting.

726
00:42:48.010 --> 00:42:50.969
I wish I would have got some healing there.

727
00:42:50.989 --> 00:42:56.409
Right, exactly. Yeah, we can all use some of that.

728
00:42:58.070 --> 00:43:01.690
So it sounds like it would be a place you

729
00:43:01.710 --> 00:43:02.650
would go back to again.

730
00:43:02.670 --> 00:43:04.449
Oh, absolutely.

731
00:43:04.650 --> 00:43:05.190
Absolutely.

732
00:43:05.820 --> 00:43:07.679
I'm trying to think of what was next. So we

733
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:12.139
went to the Board Camp Crystal Mines. Oh, and that's

734
00:43:12.179 --> 00:43:15.050
when we got to go to Area X. I never

735
00:43:15.110 --> 00:43:18.349
dreamed he would take us there because I just didn't

736
00:43:18.389 --> 00:43:22.349
think he would. Everyone acts like it's so private. But

737
00:43:22.730 --> 00:43:26.289
that day he was like, yep, let's go. And so

738
00:43:26.329 --> 00:43:28.269
he met us and took me, Wendy, and my husband

739
00:43:28.309 --> 00:43:32.530
Curtis out there. And we drove 30, 40 minutes and

740
00:43:32.570 --> 00:43:37.110
then hiked down a road to Area X after that.

741
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:40.619
And we went to his little gifting station, and that's

742
00:43:40.659 --> 00:43:44.889
where Mark leaves dates and peanut butter. And I brought

743
00:43:45.170 --> 00:43:51.090
my little mushrooms for them and an apple and this

744
00:43:51.190 --> 00:43:54.929
Native American bracelet, which I think it's really interesting because

745
00:43:54.969 --> 00:43:56.929
Mark called me the next day and said, Patty, they

746
00:43:56.969 --> 00:43:59.980
took everything that was authentic stone and they left everything

747
00:44:00.019 --> 00:44:00.760
that was artificial.

748
00:44:00.780 --> 00:44:01.619
Oh, wow.

749
00:44:02.099 --> 00:44:03.159
And I was like, weird.

750
00:44:03.179 --> 00:44:03.260
Yeah.

751
00:44:06.389 --> 00:44:08.449
You can see the bear print, too. So he took

752
00:44:08.489 --> 00:44:12.710
us to that pond where he had an encounter, which

753
00:44:13.369 --> 00:44:17.010
I wanted to hear all about that. He said once

754
00:44:17.070 --> 00:44:20.429
he approached the pond that he could tell that there

755
00:44:20.449 --> 00:44:24.400
was a Sasquatch right, okay, on that picture, over to

756
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:28.000
the right. The furthest to the right was where he

757
00:44:28.059 --> 00:44:31.599
said a Sasquatch pushed a tree into the water like

758
00:44:31.619 --> 00:44:35.900
you're too close. He's had so many encounters.

759
00:44:37.429 --> 00:44:42.690
I have a few questions because there's listeners that are

760
00:44:42.710 --> 00:44:45.269
going to have questions. So when we say Area X,

761
00:44:46.949 --> 00:44:49.710
most listeners will know what we're talking about, where it's

762
00:44:50.190 --> 00:44:53.969
a spot that has been researched for 20 years in

763
00:44:54.139 --> 00:44:57.940
southeast Oklahoma that is extremely active. And you can look

764
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:03.400
up like whatape.org to hear sounds from there. NAWAC is

765
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:06.719
the group usually associated with it. So, and I don't

766
00:45:06.739 --> 00:45:09.920
know if you can even answer this, but my question

767
00:45:10.019 --> 00:45:13.340
is when you say you went to area X, is

768
00:45:13.420 --> 00:45:17.929
it the general area or like you were actually there

769
00:45:18.010 --> 00:45:20.730
or like kind of this vicinity? Because it's not like

770
00:45:20.809 --> 00:45:22.570
Sasquatch is like, oh, I'm only going to hang out

771
00:45:22.590 --> 00:45:24.969
in this like one little area. Like they're all over

772
00:45:25.010 --> 00:45:26.110
the place in that area probably.

773
00:45:26.829 --> 00:45:29.650
Yeah, probably. We went to the main area. We parked

774
00:45:29.690 --> 00:45:33.090
at the main area where I could see the NAWAC

775
00:45:33.130 --> 00:45:37.559
put their little sign up that says Woody. That Small

776
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.340
Town Monsters had just been to when he went to Oklahoma.

777
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:41.079
It was there.

778
00:45:41.099 --> 00:45:42.059
Okay.

779
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:44.219
It took us all the way in, about a 30-minute drive.

780
00:45:44.739 --> 00:45:45.059
Walk.

781
00:45:45.420 --> 00:45:48.920
And then he told me and my husband and Wendy,

782
00:45:48.940 --> 00:45:51.699
I'm going to go get another recording. You guys just

783
00:45:51.739 --> 00:45:53.840
head back right there. And it started to get dark.

784
00:45:53.889 --> 00:45:55.860
And I was like, you're not coming back with this.

785
00:45:55.889 --> 00:45:57.889
And he's like, no, you three will be okay. Just

786
00:45:57.909 --> 00:46:00.769
stay together. I watched my husband kind of puff up.

787
00:46:00.829 --> 00:46:03.670
Like I gotta be the man of the, I gotta

788
00:46:03.690 --> 00:46:05.130
be the brave one.

789
00:46:05.150 --> 00:46:08.909
Good for, good for him. Good for Curtis. Uh, was

790
00:46:08.949 --> 00:46:10.789
it as hard to get there as people say?

791
00:46:10.809 --> 00:46:14.130
Um, no.

792
00:46:15.699 --> 00:46:17.320
I had all these ideas.

793
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:17.679
Yeah.

794
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:20.380
I was like, I'm going to get bit by a copperhead.

795
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:22.480
I've got to do it. No, I don't think it was.

796
00:46:22.500 --> 00:46:23.280
All right.

797
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:24.079
Yeah.

798
00:46:24.739 --> 00:46:25.719
Very, very interesting.

799
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:27.849
But I'm sure they go deeper. I'm sure.

800
00:46:27.869 --> 00:46:29.369
Oh, sure. Yeah.

801
00:46:30.690 --> 00:46:33.210
I'm sure that you could go deeper, but we didn't

802
00:46:33.230 --> 00:46:36.769
need to. We went to his spots. So there was that.

803
00:46:37.510 --> 00:46:39.809
That's cool. I got to talk to Mark. Some of

804
00:46:39.849 --> 00:46:42.969
the stuff you've told me about what Mark has experienced

805
00:46:42.989 --> 00:46:45.449
is out of this world.

806
00:46:46.309 --> 00:46:49.110
Out of this world. I look to him to help

807
00:46:49.150 --> 00:46:52.039
me try to understand what is going on in this reality.

808
00:46:52.099 --> 00:46:55.639
Because you go in ontological shock when you figure out

809
00:46:56.579 --> 00:47:01.300
this is not what we were told. There's a lot

810
00:47:01.380 --> 00:47:06.519
more going on than meets the eye. And so what

811
00:47:06.539 --> 00:47:10.519
was next? I guess what's next is Oak Ridge.

812
00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:15.909
Absolutely. Which I was a man not being able to

813
00:47:15.949 --> 00:47:20.150
be there. One of the toughest it's, it's tough because

814
00:47:20.170 --> 00:47:22.460
there's so many cool people there. And like this year,

815
00:47:23.340 --> 00:47:25.260
like a hearing that, Oh, you guys are going to

816
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:27.659
be there. I was like, Oh my goodness, this sucks.

817
00:47:27.699 --> 00:47:30.260
You know, like I was really wanting to meet you.

818
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:33.960
And hopefully that'll happen in the future. But man, it

819
00:47:34.019 --> 00:47:36.739
sounds like Oak Ridge. I've already heard that Oak Ridge

820
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:41.179
was wild for a lot of different people. But it

821
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:45.619
sounds like you guys had your own journey there and

822
00:47:45.659 --> 00:47:47.840
you experienced some interesting things in Oak Ridge.

823
00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:51.730
Absolutely. I have my little thing here. Okay, so the

824
00:47:51.769 --> 00:47:55.099
first day... Wendy was hiking McDowell Creek on her own

825
00:47:55.139 --> 00:48:00.139
because my flight was canceled. The second day, we went

826
00:48:00.179 --> 00:48:03.159
just to check out Greenwaters to figure out, like, how

827
00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:05.619
are they going to have this here? Where's the parking?

828
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:09.500
And we went to Saheli and Coosa Falls off the

829
00:48:09.539 --> 00:48:10.360
McKenzie River.

830
00:48:10.380 --> 00:48:12.579
That was amazing.

831
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:20.610
Not much happened that night, except... When we got back

832
00:48:20.769 --> 00:48:23.329
from seeing all the waterfalls, Wendy and I started a

833
00:48:23.349 --> 00:48:30.550
fire and we did a 19-minute guided meditation. And once

834
00:48:30.590 --> 00:48:32.829
we opened our eyes, there was about 10 UFOs and

835
00:48:32.969 --> 00:48:36.630
one responded to us with a flash. I think Wendy

836
00:48:37.530 --> 00:48:41.739
said something and it flashed. She asked it to and

837
00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:43.739
it did. And that was a trip.

838
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:45.860
Oh, that's incredible. Wow.

839
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:49.500
Yeah. But I think everybody in Oak Ridge was seeing UFOs.

840
00:48:50.059 --> 00:48:53.300
because Ashley Stinnett said that she had saw a ton.

841
00:48:53.340 --> 00:48:56.000
I mean, then I watched Michelle Heaton on yours and

842
00:48:56.500 --> 00:48:58.739
I cried on that one too. I was like, oh

843
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:02.280
my gosh, she experienced the same thing. Cause that, when I,

844
00:49:02.699 --> 00:49:04.849
the orb of light, I could hardly talk about it

845
00:49:04.889 --> 00:49:06.949
for two days. I, that took some processing.

846
00:49:09.989 --> 00:49:15.630
Multiple people. There's some people that, that have, they like,

847
00:49:15.650 --> 00:49:18.230
they will share with me, but not come on the show,

848
00:49:18.269 --> 00:49:22.449
which is totally understandable. They, was a multitude of i

849
00:49:22.489 --> 00:49:24.659
don't know what it was but a lot of people

850
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:28.420
were experiencing orbs and not just up on jason kenzie's

851
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:31.559
adventure hike either i mean this is other places in

852
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:33.659
oakridge too it's very very wild stuff.

853
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:36.420
Yeah i just wondered like how am i going to

854
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:38.900
tell my husband that a ball of light chased me

855
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:41.070
in the forest Yeah.

856
00:49:41.110 --> 00:49:41.519
Okay.

857
00:49:42.460 --> 00:49:46.159
So we did that 19 minute meditation and that, and

858
00:49:46.219 --> 00:49:53.440
then the next day was the summer fest and we

859
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:59.699
met everybody. We went to salt Creek, not much happened there,

860
00:50:00.500 --> 00:50:04.289
except we got some little tree. I don't know what

861
00:50:04.329 --> 00:50:11.289
they are. Symbols that glyphs that people see. Yeah, that

862
00:50:11.369 --> 00:50:13.380
one was odd because we had just been down that

863
00:50:13.429 --> 00:50:15.539
trail and we were on our way back and it

864
00:50:15.579 --> 00:50:17.159
was placed right in the middle of the trail with

865
00:50:17.179 --> 00:50:18.619
the rock on it. So I thought that was a

866
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:21.980
bit peculiar since we had just walked there. So I

867
00:50:22.340 --> 00:50:24.840
had never seen that. That was my first one. And

868
00:50:24.900 --> 00:50:27.880
of course, I was with Wendy. And then these two

869
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:33.369
sticks sticking up. But I will tell you, Jeremiah, after

870
00:50:35.090 --> 00:50:40.639
Board Camp Crystal Mine... The day after, when I got home,

871
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:46.940
I dreamed of a female Sasquatch. And it was a

872
00:50:46.980 --> 00:50:49.929
lot like Sam Chandler's. That's the one I was telling

873
00:50:49.949 --> 00:50:55.269
you about. I could see everything about her. And when

874
00:50:55.369 --> 00:50:59.090
I woke up, I was absolutely buzzing, vibrating, and my

875
00:50:59.269 --> 00:51:03.739
whole bedroom smelled like flowers. And I'm a smeller. That's

876
00:51:03.780 --> 00:51:07.510
just been something that comes along with it. I can

877
00:51:07.570 --> 00:51:10.289
smell things that nobody else can. And it's usually a

878
00:51:10.349 --> 00:51:14.449
clue of something else that's going on. So that was

879
00:51:14.809 --> 00:51:18.590
a trip for me, but I saw in that dream

880
00:51:18.969 --> 00:51:24.389
after dreaming about her, it looked like the matrix, the

881
00:51:24.429 --> 00:51:27.780
beginning with all the green letters that go, you know,

882
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:32.760
but going this way and they were all Amber colored,

883
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:36.940
not the green. And I, I just thought, what do

884
00:51:36.980 --> 00:51:38.780
I do with that? What do those even mean? I

885
00:51:39.179 --> 00:51:41.239
don't know what they mean. Why am I dreaming of that?

886
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:43.130
So just a lot of things that lead to more

887
00:51:43.170 --> 00:51:48.550
questions and answers. Um, but it really spoke to me

888
00:51:48.590 --> 00:51:52.510
when he told that because I I've experienced that same thing.

889
00:51:53.309 --> 00:51:54.989
It felt good to know I wasn't the only one.

890
00:51:55.789 --> 00:52:06.500
So then we go, let's see, Willamette river. Um, Sparks Lake.

891
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:11.099
There we go. We hike the Ray. Every day we

892
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:14.349
drove two to five hours somewhere. We drove to the

893
00:52:14.429 --> 00:52:20.170
Ray Atkinson Memorial Trail. Those pictures were beautiful. Before exploring

894
00:52:20.210 --> 00:52:24.789
the peninsula, we hiked part of the Ray Atkinson's Trail.

895
00:52:25.510 --> 00:52:28.090
The whole area contains a lot of black lava rock

896
00:52:28.150 --> 00:52:32.550
and jagged basalt. And once we got down to the water,

897
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:37.440
I saw these huge prints. One looked like it was

898
00:52:37.500 --> 00:52:43.340
about 18 inches and you could see the metatarsal break.

899
00:52:43.820 --> 00:52:47.639
That right there is a juvenile, I think, or a human.

900
00:52:47.699 --> 00:52:49.969
It could be a human foot, but I think it

901
00:52:49.989 --> 00:52:53.369
was peculiar that it's right next barefooted to the one

902
00:52:53.429 --> 00:52:58.489
that was 15 or 16 inch or 14 inches. That

903
00:52:58.550 --> 00:53:01.289
picture doesn't do it justice either. I mean, I think

904
00:53:01.329 --> 00:53:02.909
a lot of, I hear a lot of people say that.

905
00:53:03.329 --> 00:53:08.739
The big toe was a huge impression. I saw that

906
00:53:08.820 --> 00:53:12.500
one that was 14 inches, one that was probably like

907
00:53:12.500 --> 00:53:17.190
18 inches. And then the child, juvenile, or it could

908
00:53:17.250 --> 00:53:20.650
be a young human in between. And it looked like

909
00:53:20.710 --> 00:53:24.110
it was following the footsteps of mom or dad. And

910
00:53:24.150 --> 00:53:24.949
that tripped me out.

911
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:29.079
And this was, so this is the same area, right?

912
00:53:29.260 --> 00:53:32.719
Yes. All the footprints I found in Oregon was all

913
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:35.369
in the same area right there. We found these weird

914
00:53:36.030 --> 00:53:39.849
rock stacks. And what was interesting about them to me

915
00:53:39.989 --> 00:53:42.190
is I was really studying the way they were all

916
00:53:43.269 --> 00:53:46.869
balancing on each other to where I thought if I

917
00:53:46.909 --> 00:53:49.690
just moved one of those, the whole thing would collapse.

918
00:53:50.210 --> 00:53:53.010
Who could do that? I mean, I guess somebody would

919
00:53:53.070 --> 00:53:57.179
sit and do that, but why? Yeah. It did. And

920
00:53:57.199 --> 00:53:59.500
then the footprints, it just didn't make sense to have

921
00:53:59.539 --> 00:54:04.590
the rock stacks and the large footprints there. Something that

922
00:54:05.070 --> 00:54:09.150
that place is wild. And so I use listening to you.

923
00:54:09.230 --> 00:54:11.050
I got that scan verse and.

924
00:54:10.989 --> 00:54:12.769
I thought I could scan a verse app.

925
00:54:13.250 --> 00:54:13.809
Yeah.

926
00:54:14.190 --> 00:54:17.519
And so I kind of played with these little scans

927
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:21.880
to try to get get a scan of that footprint.

928
00:54:27.980 --> 00:54:30.119
And then when did we go to Waldo Lake? I

929
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:32.059
want you to look that up. I want you to

930
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:36.099
tell me what is going on at Waldo Lake. Okay.

931
00:54:36.139 --> 00:54:37.920
There's a lot going on in Waldo Lake. If you

932
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:38.599
look at my map.

933
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:41.420
Yeah. Oh, okay. I need to look at your map

934
00:54:41.460 --> 00:54:43.159
because I knew nothing about Waldo Lake.

935
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:46.420
So you just went there for fun.

936
00:54:47.139 --> 00:54:52.469
Yes. We were amazing. We had no idea. So we

937
00:54:52.489 --> 00:54:57.250
were our, where was our target location? Um, Our target

938
00:54:57.289 --> 00:55:00.989
location was, we were going somewhere else, but heading out,

939
00:55:01.150 --> 00:55:03.500
we thought, let's go to Waldo Lake on the way.

940
00:55:03.559 --> 00:55:07.699
It's 30 minutes from where we were staying. So nothing

941
00:55:07.739 --> 00:55:10.400
about Waldo Lake made sense to me as an investigator

942
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:14.260
for MUFON. I'm searching all the details. We're reading on

943
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:16.530
all trails, it says no access to the lake. And

944
00:55:16.570 --> 00:55:19.710
I'm like, well, there's access to the lake. Road construction,

945
00:55:19.730 --> 00:55:22.219
the road's closed. Well, the road's not closed. We get

946
00:55:22.260 --> 00:55:26.340
there and there's about 20 campsites. Every single campsite Jeremiah

947
00:55:26.380 --> 00:55:28.480
has a chain to it and has the same name

948
00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:30.980
and date on all 20 of them. I'm like, come on.

949
00:55:31.460 --> 00:55:35.659
There's not going to be the same dude taking all

950
00:55:35.699 --> 00:55:38.889
these campsites. And I think Wendy or I, one of

951
00:55:38.969 --> 00:55:43.030
us said, well, maybe it's a family reunion. And then

952
00:55:43.090 --> 00:55:45.190
I said, well, they're two days late for their family

953
00:55:45.230 --> 00:55:48.250
reunion and they only got a day left. Then I

954
00:55:48.309 --> 00:55:51.369
see a makeshift sign that says no campy. So I'm like,

955
00:55:51.409 --> 00:55:55.849
none of this place is making sense. So it was

956
00:55:55.889 --> 00:55:59.329
very weird. So Wendy said, let's just get out of

957
00:55:59.349 --> 00:56:02.760
the car park and just hike down to the water

958
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:04.500
and see it. And this is a small, I don't

959
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:06.699
think it's a huge lake. I can see across it.

960
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.539
So we park and we get out of the car, Jeremiah.

961
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:17.440
All the hair stands up on my head, my arms.

962
00:56:17.739 --> 00:56:20.590
I immediately say, Wendy, I don't like this place. And

963
00:56:20.730 --> 00:56:22.909
she's like, let's just go down and check out the lake.

964
00:56:22.969 --> 00:56:25.050
So you have to kind of hike through the woods

965
00:56:25.130 --> 00:56:27.949
to get to the beachy part of the lake. And

966
00:56:27.989 --> 00:56:30.769
I'm ruminating. I'm saying the same thing over and over

967
00:56:30.809 --> 00:56:32.449
and over in my head. Pick up a stick, pick

968
00:56:32.489 --> 00:56:34.590
up a stick. Well, I have a can of bear spray.

969
00:56:35.050 --> 00:56:37.849
You know, I feel like we used to have this ability.

970
00:56:38.829 --> 00:56:42.150
I know hunters still have it. People in ER, people

971
00:56:42.170 --> 00:56:48.070
that are police officers, military operations, this sense of a

972
00:56:48.110 --> 00:56:53.010
predator is watching me or something. And some of us,

973
00:56:53.130 --> 00:56:56.969
some people don't have it at all. So we get

974
00:56:57.030 --> 00:57:00.460
down to the water and I look down and I

975
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:04.699
see about 25 mountain lion prints. I mean, they are everywhere.

976
00:57:04.820 --> 00:57:07.239
And we have been to so many beautiful places in

977
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:10.079
Oregon and I haven't seen one. So it kind of

978
00:57:11.010 --> 00:57:13.050
puts in perspective the feeling I got when I got

979
00:57:13.090 --> 00:57:16.159
out of the car. And so I, I know that

980
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:18.389
Wendy thinks I'm already scared. And I'm trying to keep

981
00:57:18.449 --> 00:57:21.889
up with her because she's awesome. She probably hides five

982
00:57:21.929 --> 00:57:28.849
miles a day, if not more. So I don't say

983
00:57:28.889 --> 00:57:31.820
anything about the mountain lion prince. And I finally pick

984
00:57:31.860 --> 00:57:36.340
up a stick. We hike through this other little woody area.

985
00:57:36.380 --> 00:57:39.559
We come back down on the beachy part. And she

986
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:41.820
sees it. She goes, are you seeing this? And I

987
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:43.920
looked down. I'm like, yeah, I'm seeing it. I'm glad

988
00:57:43.969 --> 00:57:45.659
you said something. I was wondering when you were going

989
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:48.130
to see it. And I immediately say, Wendy, I don't

990
00:57:48.150 --> 00:57:51.250
like this place. Like, let's go. She says, okay, let's go.

991
00:57:51.949 --> 00:57:55.210
So we hustle back to the car. That was scary

992
00:57:55.230 --> 00:57:57.889
just trying to get back to the car. I wanted

993
00:57:57.989 --> 00:58:00.309
out of there so bad. And so right when we

994
00:58:00.369 --> 00:58:02.889
kind of turn out and start cruising out of there,

995
00:58:03.250 --> 00:58:09.730
we see two Trees about that big, completely snapped side

996
00:58:09.769 --> 00:58:13.570
by side, pointing like the direction to go. And I'm like,

997
00:58:13.610 --> 00:58:15.929
I guess we're supposed to go that way.

998
00:58:16.010 --> 00:58:16.250
Right.

999
00:58:16.550 --> 00:58:19.429
And then we see that. Wendy sees it and I

1000
00:58:19.469 --> 00:58:22.610
don't see it. And finally she backs up and I

1001
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:24.079
take a picture of it. And I'm like, that is

1002
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:26.679
plain as day. A big white X.

1003
00:58:26.900 --> 00:58:27.639
Fascinating.

1004
00:58:27.860 --> 00:58:28.320
If so.

1005
00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:33.460
The map I'm referring to, so you go to bigfootsocietypodcast.com

1006
00:58:33.500 --> 00:58:35.199
and I have the map where it's all the people

1007
00:58:35.219 --> 00:58:39.780
I've talked. Well, I'd say it's over a thousand pens,

1008
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:43.119
but I still have work to do. Anyways, if you

1009
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:45.079
go to, if we're talking about the same place, if

1010
00:58:45.099 --> 00:58:49.820
you look up Waldo Lake east of Oak Ridge, there's

1011
00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:53.460
a lot of activity that I've talked to people about

1012
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:55.840
over the years. It's pretty wild. Then you've got Spirit

1013
00:58:55.880 --> 00:59:00.719
Lake out there too. Yeah. That is a place that's weird.

1014
00:59:02.829 --> 00:59:06.650
I mean, there's been like the report where someone saw

1015
00:59:06.690 --> 00:59:09.010
two Bigfoot that looked like they had dreadlocks and they

1016
00:59:09.030 --> 00:59:11.659
were chased out of there. and then every night allegedly

1017
00:59:12.659 --> 00:59:17.599
all the sticks um go into the center of if

1018
00:59:17.659 --> 00:59:20.119
there's sticks in the lake they go into the center

1019
00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:22.300
of the lake and then they start spinning around in

1020
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:25.420
a circle it's very weird i had multiple hunters tell

1021
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:28.000
me that first year at oak ridge it's very weird

1022
00:59:28.039 --> 00:59:29.469
stuff That is weird.

1023
00:59:29.570 --> 00:59:31.949
You can definitely feel it at Waldo Lake because I

1024
00:59:31.949 --> 00:59:34.309
knew nothing about Waldo Lake. So I was very curious

1025
00:59:34.329 --> 00:59:36.710
when we got in the car. My phone acted up

1026
00:59:36.869 --> 00:59:39.699
the whole time in Oak Ridge. I mean, all kinds

1027
00:59:39.820 --> 00:59:42.699
of things. Yes. Wendy's phone was fine. But anytime I

1028
00:59:42.739 --> 00:59:44.619
needed to research something, I had to use her phone.

1029
00:59:45.059 --> 00:59:46.960
So I went to AI and I'm like, tell me

1030
00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:50.380
about Waldo Lake. And it was like 15 people missing.

1031
00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:54.849
I'm like, how did 15 people go missing? I think

1032
00:59:55.010 --> 00:59:57.409
one was in the 70s. And then it showed in

1033
00:59:57.449 --> 01:00:01.409
the last eight years, a total of like 15 people missing.

1034
01:00:01.489 --> 01:00:06.130
Three were just found unalived floating in the water. No reason.

1035
01:00:06.469 --> 01:00:09.210
Three were never found and the rest of them were found.

1036
01:00:09.710 --> 01:00:11.280
And I thought, how do you go missing in a

1037
01:00:11.340 --> 01:00:12.219
small lake like this?

1038
01:00:13.659 --> 01:00:14.159
Oh boy.

1039
01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:15.559
That was pretty wild.

1040
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:21.559
That's concerning. Um, yeah, there's, there's stuff that goes on.

1041
01:00:21.579 --> 01:00:25.079
I mean, if you dig, there's some really interesting, um,

1042
01:00:25.829 --> 01:00:29.719
missing persons reports there's one down by cottage grove you

1043
01:00:29.739 --> 01:00:35.539
can find that is extremely intense uh i i would

1044
01:00:35.579 --> 01:00:37.619
be cautious going out in the woods out there by

1045
01:00:37.659 --> 01:00:39.590
myself for sure i know there's some people that do

1046
01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:42.429
it but uh it's it gets weird out in oregon

1047
01:00:42.650 --> 01:00:43.750
there's no question about.

1048
01:00:43.610 --> 01:00:46.610
That yeah and daryl wants to go back.

1049
01:00:47.949 --> 01:00:53.940
Oh daryl does yeah yes that's awesome um so And

1050
01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:56.780
I know there's more to share, but as a MUFON

1051
01:00:56.900 --> 01:01:00.469
investigator or someone who has been a MUFON investigator and

1052
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:03.929
into all this weird stuff, what is your take on

1053
01:01:07.809 --> 01:01:10.829
the statement that Oak Ridge is a weird place? Do

1054
01:01:10.849 --> 01:01:11.869
you agree or disagree?

1055
01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:17.139
I agree. I actually really thought that the show Gravity

1056
01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:19.739
Falls was probably made off of Oak Ridge.

1057
01:01:20.380 --> 01:01:23.219
I know. I know it. It's so weird.

1058
01:01:23.940 --> 01:01:29.679
It's strange. It's very strange. It's so strange. I mean,

1059
01:01:29.699 --> 01:01:31.889
we wanted a wild experience. We got it. I think

1060
01:01:31.909 --> 01:01:35.769
that cabin, too, was haunted as well that we stayed in.

1061
01:01:35.989 --> 01:01:37.269
I just ran out of the.

1062
01:01:37.590 --> 01:01:37.909
Really?

1063
01:01:38.409 --> 01:01:42.219
Yes. We stayed. It was right on the... Right on

1064
01:01:42.260 --> 01:01:47.030
the Willamette National Forest. I mean, that 375 feet from

1065
01:01:47.050 --> 01:01:50.489
the back of our cabin, that right there was the

1066
01:01:50.550 --> 01:01:53.309
tree line. And she even told us, like, you go

1067
01:01:53.369 --> 01:01:55.530
past that, you're on your own. She had a little

1068
01:01:55.610 --> 01:01:59.550
string all the way around, like, that's the forest. Like,

1069
01:01:59.590 --> 01:02:03.519
there's nothing back there. That place was freaky. So we

1070
01:02:03.559 --> 01:02:06.260
check in, and the first night, I sleep in there,

1071
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:08.900
and Jeremiah, I'm in that room with bats. A mama

1072
01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:12.280
bat had babies. Mm. up in the Raptors. And I

1073
01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:15.360
tell Wendy the next morning, I swear there are bats

1074
01:02:15.429 --> 01:02:17.610
in here. Every time I flash the light, they'd shut up.

1075
01:02:17.809 --> 01:02:20.670
Cause I could tell they're nocturnal. And the next morning

1076
01:02:20.710 --> 01:02:23.690
we're debating it. And she's like, you know, maybe they're

1077
01:02:23.869 --> 01:02:27.570
mice or we're not debating it. We're discussing it. And

1078
01:02:27.690 --> 01:02:29.889
there's a baby bat crawling up the wall right there.

1079
01:02:29.969 --> 01:02:34.469
So we truly got the wild experience at, at Oak Ridge. Um,

1080
01:02:35.690 --> 01:02:39.630
So what happened first at Oak Ridge? So every night

1081
01:02:39.690 --> 01:02:43.429
we did hear footprints about 3 or 4 a.m. The

1082
01:02:43.449 --> 01:02:45.070
first night I didn't hear them because I was in

1083
01:02:45.300 --> 01:02:47.300
the master room with the bats. And then we barricaded

1084
01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:49.639
that room and put a towel under the door until

1085
01:02:49.659 --> 01:02:51.340
they could deal with that. And I slept on the couch.

1086
01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:54.599
And Wendy was on the loft. And every single night

1087
01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:59.530
there were footprints, footsteps in the cabin.

1088
01:03:00.269 --> 01:03:01.750
Oh, inside the cabin?

1089
01:03:02.230 --> 01:03:03.389
Inside the cabin.

1090
01:03:03.409 --> 01:03:03.869
Oh, boy.

1091
01:03:03.989 --> 01:03:07.010
Yes. Yes. Yes, inside the cabin.

1092
01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:09.440
What else happened there?

1093
01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:13.099
Hold on. So how far, man, how far away from

1094
01:03:13.139 --> 01:03:14.179
you inside the cabin?

1095
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:18.679
Right there. It's like a room with a loft. Right there.

1096
01:03:18.699 --> 01:03:19.159
Same room.

1097
01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:22.429
Yeah, yeah. She's on the loft and I'm on the couch.

1098
01:03:22.869 --> 01:03:23.889
That's freaky stuff.

1099
01:03:24.429 --> 01:03:29.230
It was pretty freaky. So I guess I'll just go

1100
01:03:29.269 --> 01:03:32.489
ahead and get to the orb. So that day was

1101
01:03:32.550 --> 01:03:33.030
July 12th.

1102
01:03:33.090 --> 01:03:33.230
So....

1103
01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:42.710
This is Saturday. So the big orb happened on Sunday.

1104
01:03:42.730 --> 01:03:46.829
But I do have to say, Saturday, all weekend, she had,

1105
01:03:46.889 --> 01:03:50.269
the owner of that Airbnb, she had a campground down there, too.

1106
01:03:50.309 --> 01:03:51.860
And I think I sent you some pictures of that.

1107
01:03:52.449 --> 01:03:54.579
She had four or five fishermen that were staying there

1108
01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:57.079
all weekend. But by the time Sunday came and I

1109
01:03:57.159 --> 01:04:01.769
saw the huge orb, they were gone already. So that

1110
01:04:01.789 --> 01:04:04.449
day we traveled to Florence and Hobbit Beach. Have you

1111
01:04:04.469 --> 01:04:05.369
heard of Hobbit Beach?

1112
01:04:05.809 --> 01:04:08.449
No, but I was like, when I saw everything you

1113
01:04:08.469 --> 01:04:11.079
put in the notes, I was like, Patty's going everywhere.

1114
01:04:11.099 --> 01:04:13.500
I've never been out to the coast. I mean, this

1115
01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:14.019
is awesome.

1116
01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:17.019
Oh, we had to hike quite a bit through these

1117
01:04:17.059 --> 01:04:20.360
little Hobbit holes, like kind of going under the woods

1118
01:04:20.420 --> 01:04:24.769
like that. And you had these embankments up on the

1119
01:04:24.829 --> 01:04:27.050
side that was just plum.

1120
01:04:26.829 --> 01:04:28.070
Thicket of trees.

1121
01:04:28.489 --> 01:04:30.909
Stuff on the side so it was almost like something

1122
01:04:31.010 --> 01:04:35.010
was up eating a feast and then then you walk

1123
01:04:35.130 --> 01:04:38.409
out and that's that's the entrance it was gorgeous there

1124
01:04:38.449 --> 01:04:40.429
was not a lot of footprints on the beach there

1125
01:04:40.449 --> 01:04:44.280
was old ones but not a ton because most people

1126
01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:45.840
just want to drive to the beach they don't have

1127
01:04:45.860 --> 01:04:47.139
to hike a mile and a half to get to

1128
01:04:47.179 --> 01:04:53.400
the ocean right so we saw a plethora of crabs

1129
01:04:53.780 --> 01:04:59.750
oysters um Clams. I mean, something had had an absolute

1130
01:04:59.949 --> 01:05:04.039
feast and there were just shells everywhere on those little embankments.

1131
01:05:04.460 --> 01:05:07.320
But it was almost as if something was decorating with them.

1132
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:10.980
I even saw like the crabs. That was a trip

1133
01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:13.099
to me. If that was a bear, it would have

1134
01:05:13.179 --> 01:05:16.809
eaten the entire thing. I just crushed it. Something would

1135
01:05:16.889 --> 01:05:19.550
pick a hole out of it and eat every bit

1136
01:05:19.590 --> 01:05:22.130
of it and then decorate with it. I even saw

1137
01:05:22.250 --> 01:05:25.250
one of the crab shells busted in half. And it

1138
01:05:25.309 --> 01:05:30.349
was balancing on its shell, on a stick, and then

1139
01:05:30.510 --> 01:05:33.289
had a stick. There it is. I wish I would

1140
01:05:33.309 --> 01:05:36.190
have got a better picture of that. That is almost

1141
01:05:36.230 --> 01:05:40.349
like a lean-to. It was balancing on that little stick

1142
01:05:40.809 --> 01:05:43.449
and then had another stick holding it to where if

1143
01:05:43.469 --> 01:05:46.750
you just flicked it, it would fall. It was strange.

1144
01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:51.039
So we're super excited walking through the whole little trails,

1145
01:05:51.139 --> 01:05:53.280
finding all this. And then we get to the beach

1146
01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:57.960
and there's that structure. It was wild. But Wendy, she just,

1147
01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:01.550
I don't know. I just follow Wendy around because she's incredible.

1148
01:06:01.570 --> 01:06:05.949
I felt like I'd paid somebody to be my tour guide.

1149
01:06:06.489 --> 01:06:07.610
That's amazing.

1150
01:06:08.050 --> 01:06:09.349
Tell me about this.

1151
01:06:10.050 --> 01:06:14.409
Yeah. Just a crab leg stuck in, there were feathers

1152
01:06:14.630 --> 01:06:17.610
stuck everywhere. Just odd, odd things.

1153
01:06:19.510 --> 01:06:20.969
And this was in the same area, right?

1154
01:06:21.349 --> 01:06:24.969
Yes. And isn't that, That little tribal thing, isn't that wild?

1155
01:06:25.030 --> 01:06:25.690
That's weird.

1156
01:06:25.710 --> 01:06:29.130
I'm like, how did we just find this? It was strange.

1157
01:06:29.150 --> 01:06:32.150
It was strange. Such a weird area. It is cool.

1158
01:06:32.710 --> 01:06:36.599
It seems like the two of you definitely make a

1159
01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:40.480
good team and some weird stuff happens when you guys

1160
01:06:40.539 --> 01:06:43.920
are together. That's pretty cool. I like that. And this

1161
01:06:43.960 --> 01:06:44.920
was in the same area too?

1162
01:06:45.460 --> 01:06:48.239
Yeah. It was so wild. I'm like, what is going

1163
01:06:48.420 --> 01:06:52.659
on here? And something, there was a little... Spring coming

1164
01:06:52.730 --> 01:06:54.889
out of the mountain and going into the ocean. And

1165
01:06:54.929 --> 01:06:57.329
it looked to me like something had tried to dam

1166
01:06:57.389 --> 01:07:00.110
some of the water up with mud. It was just

1167
01:07:00.409 --> 01:07:06.409
really odd things. Spirals and carvings everywhere. And I just,

1168
01:07:06.809 --> 01:07:09.159
I don't know. I saw so many just things that

1169
01:07:09.409 --> 01:07:11.400
I'd never, I grew up in California on the beaches.

1170
01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:17.440
I never saw, not Northern California beaches, but like Pismo

1171
01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:20.480
and Central California beaches. And I just never saw things

1172
01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:22.820
like this on the beach. Last year was the first

1173
01:07:22.860 --> 01:07:26.250
time I had been to an Oregon beach. And it

1174
01:07:26.269 --> 01:07:26.809
was amazing.

1175
01:07:27.070 --> 01:07:28.630
Incredibly beautiful area too.

1176
01:07:28.730 --> 01:07:35.070
Yeah. Just very odd placement of shells. So that night, Jeremiah,

1177
01:07:36.170 --> 01:07:39.039
we go back to, we had a lot of driving.

1178
01:07:39.079 --> 01:07:42.659
So we get back to the cabin and we're tired.

1179
01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:47.579
It's like 10, 1030. And I realize that I've left

1180
01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:51.550
something in the trunk. Uh, so Wendy's in there and

1181
01:07:52.090 --> 01:07:55.300
I go down the five stairs and there, I'm going

1182
01:07:55.320 --> 01:07:58.239
to kind of explain the layout. So you come out

1183
01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:02.079
of the cabin and there is a dirt road that curves.

1184
01:08:02.340 --> 01:08:05.679
And I did send you a picture of the layout

1185
01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:08.650
of the land, the campground. So all the way to

1186
01:08:08.690 --> 01:08:13.750
the left, all the way back. Okay. That is Saturday,

1187
01:08:13.809 --> 01:08:17.630
the night before Saturday. The orb incident. I walked that

1188
01:08:17.689 --> 01:08:21.029
whole tree line right there. I walked right past and

1189
01:08:21.649 --> 01:08:24.300
and went all the way around. Well, there were some

1190
01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:29.380
fly fishermen over here sitting by a fire and I'm walking.

1191
01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:32.659
I know I kind of jumped around, but I'm walking.

1192
01:08:32.699 --> 01:08:37.619
This is Saturday night. I'm walking that tree line and

1193
01:08:37.659 --> 01:08:40.460
I have a flashlight and they hear me walking. And

1194
01:08:40.500 --> 01:08:43.279
so they shut up real quick. But I hear those

1195
01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:46.380
good old boys talking around the fire about the lights

1196
01:08:46.539 --> 01:08:50.770
in the forest. No way. And so immediately they shut up.

1197
01:08:50.920 --> 01:08:52.670
And I want to tell them so bad that I'm

1198
01:08:52.710 --> 01:08:55.850
a MUFON investigator and I want to hear about their

1199
01:08:57.369 --> 01:09:00.100
orbs of light in the forest. But I don't. want

1200
01:09:00.140 --> 01:09:02.520
to disturb them so i walk all the way down

1201
01:09:02.619 --> 01:09:06.199
i get to that very back corner and i hear

1202
01:09:06.229 --> 01:09:11.170
like two tree knocks in the very back yeah and.

1203
01:09:11.149 --> 01:09:14.850
So close to the area yep is that a thing

1204
01:09:16.050 --> 01:09:18.350
I mean, it's just, it's something like it happened to

1205
01:09:18.390 --> 01:09:20.520
us in Tennessee whenever we would go to an area

1206
01:09:20.529 --> 01:09:21.350
of the campground.

1207
01:09:21.720 --> 01:09:21.939
Yeah.

1208
01:09:23.220 --> 01:09:23.500
Yeah.

1209
01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:26.680
Just two knots. So then I decide I'm not going

1210
01:09:26.699 --> 01:09:28.899
to go all the way around. Like I had been,

1211
01:09:29.239 --> 01:09:31.859
I'm going to turn around and go down there, down

1212
01:09:31.899 --> 01:09:35.510
the way that I came and down that road. Well,

1213
01:09:35.810 --> 01:09:38.369
as I'm walking the curvature of that road, I get

1214
01:09:38.489 --> 01:09:41.850
two pebbles thrown at my feet and I'm 375 feet

1215
01:09:41.869 --> 01:09:44.010
away from where I just heard the two knots. And

1216
01:09:44.029 --> 01:09:48.420
then I looked down in my phone. Wrote two handwritten

1217
01:09:48.520 --> 01:09:50.939
notes that I didn't even know my phone could do.

1218
01:09:51.739 --> 01:09:54.380
I didn't know you can do handwritten notes.

1219
01:09:54.399 --> 01:09:55.939
That's weird.

1220
01:09:56.430 --> 01:09:58.329
It was so weird. And I'm like, that's weird that

1221
01:09:58.350 --> 01:10:02.029
I got two knocks, two handwritten notes, and two pebbles

1222
01:10:02.050 --> 01:10:06.189
thrown at my feet all within five minutes. Strange. Just

1223
01:10:06.270 --> 01:10:09.649
a strange observation. So that was the night before. Okay.

1224
01:10:10.170 --> 01:10:12.460
So then we go to the Hobbit Beach. We come

1225
01:10:12.500 --> 01:10:14.819
back 10 o'clock at night. I realize I've left something

1226
01:10:14.859 --> 01:10:17.180
in the trunk of the car. I go out to

1227
01:10:17.199 --> 01:10:19.239
the trunk of the car. I hit the beep beep,

1228
01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:26.770
grab my bag. And I look, because her trunk is

1229
01:10:26.949 --> 01:10:31.109
facing that campground. All those guys have checked out. It's

1230
01:10:31.170 --> 01:10:33.710
Sunday night. They've got probably going back to work Monday.

1231
01:10:34.149 --> 01:10:37.520
And I look all the way to the left and

1232
01:10:37.569 --> 01:10:40.039
I can see what I thought for one second. You know,

1233
01:10:40.100 --> 01:10:43.020
it's like microseconds. You're thinking so fast. I'm like, that's

1234
01:10:43.100 --> 01:10:43.619
a star.

1235
01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:44.439
No, no.

1236
01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:49.479
That is an airplane. No, that is. And then all

1237
01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:52.939
of a sudden it just starts coming down and I

1238
01:10:52.979 --> 01:10:54.960
can see it clearly because now it's in front of

1239
01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:57.479
the dark part of the trees. It gets about four

1240
01:10:57.539 --> 01:10:59.619
feet off the ground. And I'm like, wait a minute.

1241
01:10:59.819 --> 01:11:03.399
That's one of the campers. Wait, they're gone. No, that's

1242
01:11:03.739 --> 01:11:07.890
someone looking with a flashlight. They've left something. They're back.

1243
01:11:08.350 --> 01:11:11.310
You know, it's just seconds. These thoughts are going through.

1244
01:11:12.020 --> 01:11:15.260
And then I think, no, that's someone running at me

1245
01:11:15.340 --> 01:11:20.770
full speed with a flashlight. And then I realize nobody

1246
01:11:20.930 --> 01:11:25.350
is there. This thing is pulsating, Jeremiah. It is the

1247
01:11:25.409 --> 01:11:28.770
brightest white I've ever seen in my life with a

1248
01:11:28.890 --> 01:11:35.060
blue hue around it, perfectly circular. It goes from looking

1249
01:11:35.140 --> 01:11:38.300
like a star that just descended four feet off the

1250
01:11:38.340 --> 01:11:43.970
ground to the size of of a tennis ball, the

1251
01:11:44.050 --> 01:11:48.560
size of a grapefruit, the size of a volleyball, when

1252
01:11:48.609 --> 01:11:52.619
it starts booking it at me, it is traveling so

1253
01:11:52.720 --> 01:11:58.220
fast that I felt primal fear. The sheer size and

1254
01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:01.800
the speed of it, I just couldn't put it in

1255
01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:05.399
a box. My biggest regret is that I did not

1256
01:12:05.500 --> 01:12:07.520
stay there and just see what it was going to do.

1257
01:12:07.539 --> 01:12:11.579
I couldn't. I felt like a lion was chasing me.

1258
01:12:12.770 --> 01:12:15.729
I took one last look before I leap up four

1259
01:12:15.810 --> 01:12:19.750
stairs and it is 10 feet behind me, the size

1260
01:12:19.869 --> 01:12:24.579
of a volleyball. It was the most incredible thing that's

1261
01:12:24.640 --> 01:12:25.800
ever happened to me in my life.

1262
01:12:26.140 --> 01:12:28.760
That's very intense. Oh my goodness. That's one of the

1263
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:31.560
more intense things I've heard from that area too. Oh

1264
01:12:31.779 --> 01:12:32.520
my goodness.

1265
01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:37.720
And then I was nervous that I invited it because...

1266
01:12:38.970 --> 01:12:41.229
When Wendy and I were coming back from Hobbit Beach,

1267
01:12:41.489 --> 01:12:46.050
we turned onto that dirt road. And I saw a

1268
01:12:46.289 --> 01:12:50.359
flash out her window. And I said, did you see that, Wendy?

1269
01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:53.520
And she's like, no, I'm driving. I'm like, oh, my peripheral.

1270
01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:56.220
Maybe I saw that flash. And I had forgotten about

1271
01:12:56.239 --> 01:12:58.960
that until Wendy said, you said you saw a flash.

1272
01:12:59.720 --> 01:13:03.710
But Jeremiah, it booked it straight to me. But when

1273
01:13:03.930 --> 01:13:07.210
it got to that road, this is what blew my mind.

1274
01:13:07.689 --> 01:13:13.000
It followed the curvature of the road. It went right

1275
01:13:13.020 --> 01:13:15.760
along with the road. And I'm like, what is that?

1276
01:13:16.819 --> 01:13:19.760
That's strange to me. But I felt like I invited

1277
01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:23.829
it because I said I had such a magical time

1278
01:13:23.850 --> 01:13:29.390
at Hobbit Beach. I said, if there's anything there that

1279
01:13:29.489 --> 01:13:33.630
is that amazing, that just decorated with all those crabs,

1280
01:13:33.689 --> 01:13:36.600
that is love and unity, you are absolutely allowed to

1281
01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:37.039
follow us.

1282
01:13:38.199 --> 01:13:38.600
Yeah.

1283
01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:42.239
Okay.

1284
01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:46.449
Maybe I, maybe I shouldn't have said that.

1285
01:13:46.529 --> 01:13:50.789
That's wild. Um, the light it, so no sound along

1286
01:13:50.829 --> 01:13:51.310
with it, right?

1287
01:13:51.890 --> 01:13:54.109
None. Nothing.

1288
01:13:54.250 --> 01:13:54.670
Creepy.

1289
01:13:54.949 --> 01:14:00.979
No, nothing. It was, it was pretty wild. Yeah. And

1290
01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:04.079
then the last, I think that was it. And the last,

1291
01:14:04.100 --> 01:14:12.300
but not least, um, I just went two weeks ago.

1292
01:14:12.319 --> 01:14:16.000
I was having, I was kind of emotional about some

1293
01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:19.819
stuff and I needed just a timeout, a break. And

1294
01:14:19.899 --> 01:14:22.279
so I tried to pull a Wendy and look at

1295
01:14:22.340 --> 01:14:26.899
the map and go, well, I've always heard about Lake Thunderbird,

1296
01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:32.140
but everybody's always on this side, the Marina, the trails.

1297
01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:33.920
I'm like, I want to go to the other side.

1298
01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:40.260
So I found on the other side, little axe and

1299
01:14:40.300 --> 01:14:45.970
little river and there's a rock quarry there and there

1300
01:14:46.010 --> 01:14:48.270
were only two airbnbs so i chose to stay at

1301
01:14:48.369 --> 01:14:53.550
one when i arrive i mean once i got to

1302
01:14:53.590 --> 01:14:56.300
lake thunderbird it took me probably 20-25 minutes in the

1303
01:14:56.340 --> 01:15:00.359
boonies to get to this little airbnb i'm i just

1304
01:15:00.380 --> 01:15:03.039
i'm blown away that seek and you shall find what

1305
01:15:03.079 --> 01:15:05.180
are the chances that the first time i've ever been

1306
01:15:05.199 --> 01:15:09.149
to lake thunderbird And I choose a location just off

1307
01:15:09.159 --> 01:15:15.430
the topography. And holy cow, I was at a gold mine.

1308
01:15:17.270 --> 01:15:20.170
I send the owner a message and I say, what

1309
01:15:21.770 --> 01:15:24.270
kind of animals do you have here? Am I allowed

1310
01:15:24.300 --> 01:15:26.319
to walk these 40 acres? And he's like, yeah, yeah.

1311
01:15:26.340 --> 01:15:27.720
Would you like me to give you a little tour?

1312
01:15:27.739 --> 01:15:30.579
So he comes out, gives me a little tour. And

1313
01:15:31.039 --> 01:15:34.909
I can hear goats. chickens, roosters, cows. And when I

1314
01:15:34.949 --> 01:15:36.890
got there, it was like 7 p.m. at night and

1315
01:15:37.010 --> 01:15:39.250
all the farm animals are going crazy, even the roosters.

1316
01:15:40.220 --> 01:15:43.640
He comes out, walks around with me. He's a young buck.

1317
01:15:43.699 --> 01:15:48.840
He's probably in his 20s, linguistics, military dude, going to tinker.

1318
01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:51.840
He's in the Air Force. Him and his roommate are

1319
01:15:51.859 --> 01:15:55.880
both there. And he says, I just moved here. I said,

1320
01:15:55.899 --> 01:15:57.470
what animals are here? And he's like, well, I don't

1321
01:15:57.550 --> 01:15:59.409
know a ton about this land because I just moved

1322
01:15:59.430 --> 01:16:01.750
here June 20th. And I'm like, you just moved here

1323
01:16:01.789 --> 01:16:08.489
June 20th? And he said, somehow we got on animals

1324
01:16:08.569 --> 01:16:10.970
and strangeness. And he said, there are some strange sounds

1325
01:16:11.050 --> 01:16:13.170
out here. We were talking about the animals. And I said,

1326
01:16:13.210 --> 01:16:16.310
like what? And I could tell that he was hesitant. Well,

1327
01:16:16.489 --> 01:16:20.619
as we're talking, Jeremiah, I hear in the distance, I

1328
01:16:20.659 --> 01:16:22.279
want to try to impersonate it, but I don't think

1329
01:16:22.319 --> 01:16:27.340
I can. I hear what sounds like a man pretending

1330
01:16:27.380 --> 01:16:28.319
to cock-a-doodle-doo.

1331
01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:29.279
No way.

1332
01:16:30.350 --> 01:16:33.069
And him and I look at each other and he

1333
01:16:33.109 --> 01:16:35.390
just looks like a deer in headlights. And I go,

1334
01:16:35.930 --> 01:16:40.310
was that your buddy? And he says, no, I don't

1335
01:16:40.350 --> 01:16:42.449
know what that was. And he said, I'm telling you,

1336
01:16:42.470 --> 01:16:44.449
there's some weird noises at her. I'm like, what? Like,

1337
01:16:44.489 --> 01:16:47.520
what kind of strange things happened? And he tells me,

1338
01:16:47.539 --> 01:16:49.760
I had a dead chicken on my front porch last night.

1339
01:16:50.039 --> 01:16:51.090
And I'm like, you did?

1340
01:16:51.579 --> 01:16:54.960
He said, something's taken my neighbor's chickens. And he said,

1341
01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:59.109
and every feather was plucked out of it. And then

1342
01:16:59.149 --> 01:17:01.390
he said last week he had a dead chicken on

1343
01:17:01.430 --> 01:17:04.050
his grill and half of the feathers were plucked out

1344
01:17:04.069 --> 01:17:05.170
of it. And it was still alive.

1345
01:17:07.630 --> 01:17:08.869
That's weird.

1346
01:17:08.949 --> 01:17:11.069
Then he said the week before he had another dead

1347
01:17:11.109 --> 01:17:13.489
chicken on the side of his house. That was all

1348
01:17:13.529 --> 01:17:16.710
the fluff. They were all plucked. So that picture that

1349
01:17:16.750 --> 01:17:20.159
I was showing you, he said, and yeah, these cans

1350
01:17:20.220 --> 01:17:23.020
right here have been sitting on this table. And every

1351
01:17:23.060 --> 01:17:25.279
day we get two feathers there. And he opened his

1352
01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:26.920
door and showed me and he had a ton of feathers.

1353
01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:30.539
I'm going to show that real quick.

1354
01:17:30.699 --> 01:17:34.159
Yeah, show it. I said, I'm going to say something.

1355
01:17:34.220 --> 01:17:36.970
Please don't think I'm strange, but do you think you

1356
01:17:37.010 --> 01:17:40.310
have Sasquatch on your property? And he said, that's what

1357
01:17:40.350 --> 01:17:42.909
my buddy and I have been trying to, we've been wondering.

1358
01:17:43.069 --> 01:17:45.409
We've been wondering if we have. So the heat comes out,

1359
01:17:46.130 --> 01:17:49.310
kind of confirms everything that's happening on the property. And

1360
01:17:50.729 --> 01:17:53.220
then his buddy proceeds to tell me that two weeks

1361
01:17:53.279 --> 01:17:56.279
after they moved in, after June 20th, they were sitting

1362
01:17:56.340 --> 01:18:00.069
by the fire. And there was a huge tree and

1363
01:18:00.100 --> 01:18:03.720
a bunch of bushes, probably 30 feet from the fire.

1364
01:18:03.739 --> 01:18:09.239
And he said he could hear a growl that was

1365
01:18:09.319 --> 01:18:12.680
so deep, it reverberated their chest and they got up

1366
01:18:12.899 --> 01:18:16.220
in the house. And so I sent him a couple

1367
01:18:16.279 --> 01:18:20.810
historical reports from the BFRO to show him, no, you're

1368
01:18:20.829 --> 01:18:22.890
not crazy. I think you really do have Sasquatch on

1369
01:18:22.909 --> 01:18:25.390
your property. I was just more tripped out that the

1370
01:18:25.750 --> 01:18:28.619
one place that I choose to go And it's there.

1371
01:18:29.520 --> 01:18:32.739
Yeah, that's weird as all get out. But it makes

1372
01:18:32.779 --> 01:18:35.680
sense with everything else that you've said, to be honest.

1373
01:18:37.229 --> 01:18:41.829
Did he say if the chickens had, did they still

1374
01:18:41.850 --> 01:18:42.369
have heads?

1375
01:18:43.369 --> 01:18:44.029
Yeah, yeah.

1376
01:18:44.090 --> 01:18:46.350
He said they were just dead and all the feathers

1377
01:18:46.390 --> 01:18:49.170
were plucked out of two of them. And then half

1378
01:18:49.210 --> 01:18:51.520
of the feathers died. plucked out of one of them.

1379
01:18:52.560 --> 01:18:53.500
And one was still alive.

1380
01:18:54.920 --> 01:18:55.159
Yeah.

1381
01:18:56.079 --> 01:18:56.899
Isn't that wild?

1382
01:18:57.880 --> 01:19:03.369
That's some, that's some, some wild, wild stuff. My goodness.

1383
01:19:03.670 --> 01:19:05.529
You are going for it. It sounds like you have,

1384
01:19:06.130 --> 01:19:08.229
I mean, you were talking earlier, you have a future plan.

1385
01:19:08.569 --> 01:19:13.409
plan pretty soon to go to a wilderness area nearby

1386
01:19:13.430 --> 01:19:13.970
and check it out.

1387
01:19:14.630 --> 01:19:17.199
Wendy's driving down tomorrow morning. I'm meeting her at 10

1388
01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:20.470
30 AM at the Sutton wilderness. And we're doing the

1389
01:19:20.529 --> 01:19:22.649
Indian point trail. We're going to try to hike two

1390
01:19:22.729 --> 01:19:25.149
trails tomorrow. I don't know. She didn't care if it's

1391
01:19:25.149 --> 01:19:28.760
105 degrees, she's going to hike. And so I'm glad

1392
01:19:28.810 --> 01:19:30.949
she's coming to Oklahoma. Yeah.

1393
01:19:31.460 --> 01:19:36.970
That's awesome. What, what a cool, cool idea. story you've

1394
01:19:37.010 --> 01:19:39.600
had a cool journey you've had over the, over the

1395
01:19:39.659 --> 01:19:41.640
few years. Cause it's, I mean, it's really not that

1396
01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:42.869
long if you think about it.

1397
01:19:43.340 --> 01:19:48.960
No. Well, eight years, well, six years. I remember 2020

1398
01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:52.100
when the world shut down, that's when they told us

1399
01:19:52.180 --> 01:19:54.710
about disclosure and I'm like, they're telling us that cause

1400
01:19:54.770 --> 01:20:00.430
nobody's paying attention. So yeah, it's been six years and it's,

1401
01:20:01.489 --> 01:20:07.829
it's definitely, it's, My thoughts have changed. I had a

1402
01:20:07.869 --> 01:20:09.130
question for you, Jeremiah.

1403
01:20:09.149 --> 01:20:10.770
Yes. Yes, absolutely.

1404
01:20:13.090 --> 01:20:17.789
All of the podcasts that I've listened to that you

1405
01:20:17.810 --> 01:20:25.229
have done, I mean, I can tell they're obviously pretty intelligent.

1406
01:20:25.329 --> 01:20:27.470
Who do you think is... My husband and I have

1407
01:20:27.489 --> 01:20:30.189
this argument. Who's smarter, humans or Bigfoot?

1408
01:20:31.789 --> 01:20:32.489
So....

1409
01:20:33.489 --> 01:20:34.329
Who's more intelligent?

1410
01:20:36.050 --> 01:20:38.670
They're smarter because they know to stay in the woods.

1411
01:20:39.569 --> 01:20:40.789
Yeah.

1412
01:20:42.050 --> 01:20:44.060
Man, and a lot of people get bent out of

1413
01:20:44.069 --> 01:20:48.840
shape over this, but I think they're absolutely smarter. I mean,

1414
01:20:49.779 --> 01:20:53.359
just the stuff that's reported that happens alongside of them.

1415
01:20:55.619 --> 01:20:57.880
And I think a lot of it is that they

1416
01:20:58.399 --> 01:21:01.550
know how to do things that we have forgotten to do.

1417
01:21:03.170 --> 01:21:07.810
That was my next question. And I go off that

1418
01:21:07.909 --> 01:21:13.130
because you hear all these different reports of people going

1419
01:21:13.170 --> 01:21:19.439
to certain areas like Oak Hole and Oak Ridge or

1420
01:21:19.460 --> 01:21:25.520
just random power spots. And then they have almost like,

1421
01:21:25.579 --> 01:21:27.359
it's like they remember how to do things or they

1422
01:21:27.399 --> 01:21:30.859
have things unlocked. And it's just, I think that we

1423
01:21:30.920 --> 01:21:33.439
have we've forgotten to do a lot of things and

1424
01:21:33.479 --> 01:21:36.659
that probably has to do with like technology and stuff

1425
01:21:36.680 --> 01:21:42.060
like that. But they definitely know how to do things

1426
01:21:42.500 --> 01:21:45.020
a lot, a lot more than, than we do.

1427
01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:49.199
And yeah, of course, you know, definitely more adaptable.

1428
01:21:50.260 --> 01:21:55.619
More adaptable can survive more for sure. But I mean, I,

1429
01:21:56.130 --> 01:21:59.260
That's my thought. And there's so many people that get

1430
01:21:59.300 --> 01:22:01.640
bent out of shape because they want humans to be

1431
01:22:01.699 --> 01:22:05.539
like the smartest thing out there. But I don't think

1432
01:22:05.659 --> 01:22:08.340
that's the case. And I've never seen one, but what

1433
01:22:08.380 --> 01:22:11.560
I've experienced is there's something very smart out there. It

1434
01:22:12.739 --> 01:22:16.189
is smart enough to respond to when you ask it

1435
01:22:16.229 --> 01:22:20.210
verbally to do something and some weird stuff out there.

1436
01:22:20.310 --> 01:22:22.630
It is so weird. That's funny that that was my

1437
01:22:22.670 --> 01:22:26.409
next question is, do you think that their abilities are

1438
01:22:26.489 --> 01:22:29.890
something that we either used to be able to do

1439
01:22:29.970 --> 01:22:33.050
and have forgotten or something that we will evolve to do?

1440
01:22:33.069 --> 01:22:36.609
Um, I think it's, I think it's more, yeah, that

1441
01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:39.420
we've forgotten too. And I mean, that's the whole rabbit

1442
01:22:40.520 --> 01:22:44.560
rabbit trail where it's like, you look into like, Oh,

1443
01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:50.279
so what's it called? Um, it's a podcast, uh, where

1444
01:22:50.319 --> 01:22:57.029
it goes into, um, People with autism being able to,

1445
01:22:57.649 --> 01:23:00.359
you know, the telepathy tapes, right? You've heard of those.

1446
01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:02.979
And like, it's just a fascinating case study. And I

1447
01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:07.020
think that all of that has, there's some connection there,

1448
01:23:07.380 --> 01:23:07.659
you know?

1449
01:23:08.039 --> 01:23:11.560
There absolutely is. I know my husband works with the

1450
01:23:11.619 --> 01:23:12.539
autism community.

1451
01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:12.939
Oh, cool.

1452
01:23:13.199 --> 01:23:15.430
He has worked with prodigious savants.

1453
01:23:16.170 --> 01:23:16.310
Wow.

1454
01:23:16.909 --> 01:23:20.159
It's pretty incredible. So I've gone down that rabbit hole

1455
01:23:20.220 --> 01:23:23.000
for sure, too, and listened to all the telepathy tapes.

1456
01:23:23.079 --> 01:23:24.180
It's incredible.

1457
01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:26.039
Yeah, there's something going on.

1458
01:23:28.300 --> 01:23:30.819
Patty, thank you so much for coming on the show.

1459
01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:35.720
I want to make sure, are you an individual where,

1460
01:23:35.739 --> 01:23:39.800
you know, pretty much, is there anything that you want

1461
01:23:39.880 --> 01:23:44.100
to make sure people know about if you're a person

1462
01:23:44.140 --> 01:23:47.029
where I'm open for contact or I don't think do

1463
01:23:47.050 --> 01:23:48.810
you have a, I don't think you have a YouTube channel.

1464
01:23:48.829 --> 01:23:52.430
I mean, you're just one of those special, special individuals.

1465
01:23:52.569 --> 01:23:53.369
I'm just a.

1466
01:23:53.329 --> 01:23:57.060
Seeker and want to know more curious little cat. So

1467
01:23:57.069 --> 01:23:59.579
I mean, people can find me on Facebook, but no,

1468
01:23:59.619 --> 01:24:03.439
I don't have any platforms, but thank you for your platform.

1469
01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:05.899
You're really changing and normalizing it.

1470
01:24:07.100 --> 01:24:10.739
Thank you. That's, that's the goal is to give people

1471
01:24:10.760 --> 01:24:13.960
a place to, to talk about what they've experienced and

1472
01:24:14.359 --> 01:24:17.199
also to just get it out there and, One of

1473
01:24:17.239 --> 01:24:17.739
these days.

1474
01:24:18.739 --> 01:24:21.199
We're going to start hearing stuff.

1475
01:24:21.239 --> 01:24:23.579
I think we are. I think we are, but we

1476
01:24:23.619 --> 01:24:25.920
will stay in touch for sure. I know that you will,

1477
01:24:26.119 --> 01:24:27.789
you'll stay in touch and keep me up to date

1478
01:24:27.810 --> 01:24:29.789
with what's going on, but thank you so much for

1479
01:24:29.829 --> 01:24:30.989
coming on the show today, Patty.

1480
01:24:31.350 --> 01:24:32.529
Thank you and bless you.

1481
01:24:33.550 --> 01:24:35.930
Thanks again to Patty for coming on the show. And

1482
01:24:36.170 --> 01:24:38.600
if you've had a Bigfoot encounter of your own, I

1483
01:24:38.600 --> 01:24:40.399
would love to hear from you. You can send me

1484
01:24:40.439 --> 01:24:45.430
an email with your encounter information. at bigfootsociety at gmail.com.

1485
01:24:45.510 --> 01:24:49.109
I've come out with a free report about the top

1486
01:24:49.109 --> 01:24:53.760
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1487
01:24:53.800 --> 01:24:58.590
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1488
01:24:58.619 --> 01:25:00.590
Bigfoot Society and I'll see you in the woods.