May 28, 2025

Juvenile Bigfoot in Clothes: The Sauvie Island Encounter

Juvenile Bigfoot in Clothes: The Sauvie Island Encounter
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Season 1

What happens when a woman rooted in animism and native traditions opens her heart to the forest around her — and finds something waiting in return? In this unforgettable and deeply mysterious episode, we sit down with Avery, a Portland native and Sauvie Island resident, who shares a lifetime of spiritual connection to nature — culminating in a vivid and startling nighttime visitation from two juvenile Sasquatch. Clad in clothes, with wispy black hair and round black eyes, these beings didn’t just appear in a dream — they left an emotional imprint too real to ignore. We explore glowing blue orbs over the Columbia River, the energy of ancestral land, and what it means when the forest answers back. This one goes beyond physical encounters — into the dream realms where the wild still watches.

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You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron Tonight's

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story doesn't come from a hiker or a hunter, comes

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from a woman whose roots go deep into animism tradition

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in the wildlands of Savvi Island in Oregon. She didn't

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chase bigfoote, but when she opens herself up to the land,

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something answered. This is a first hand experience from someone

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who didn't expect to see anything but got everything. And

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this is a story of Avery. In the night, the

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forest sent its children to stay with us. All right,

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Bigfoot Society, you've got the privilege of talking to Avery today.

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Avery's an individual. It reached out about some interesting things

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she's experienced on Savvi Island, which is a thirty thousand

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acre river island just outside of Portland alongside the Columbia River.

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It's a really interesting setup. You'll want to check it

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out on a map as you're listening. That'll help out.

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But Avery, how's it going today?

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Great? Thank you?

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Awesome.

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You know this this won't be the first time that

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we've heard about things happening on this island, and in fact,

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that's a big part of why you reached out. As

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you heard that first episode on the podcast about an

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individual that had some things happen on Savvi Island as well.

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Yes, absolutely, yeah.

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You know, and we were talking beforehand that this is

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going to be, you know, kind of more of a

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guided conversation, which is great in sometimes that's to keep

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things flowing. So this will be a fun chat. But

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you know, are are you able to share? And we'll

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just talk as we go along and stuff that needs

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to be cut out can be and it's not a

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big issue, but can you can you share how you

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came to be on the island to begin with?

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Sure? Yeah, I basically came. I'm a native Portlander, lived

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in the city for many years quite a bit, and

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then I moved out to the island about five years

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ago just to get out of the city during all

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the craziness during Yeah, and so that's how I made

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it out here. I've always had a love of the island,

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a respect for the hardworking people out here, and just

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decided that this is the place where I needed to

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be and wanted to be, so made my way out here.

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Yeah, that's awesome. And how would you describe Savi Island

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to someone who's never seen it or has never step

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foot on it.

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Yeah, I would say, first of all, it's it's It

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may seem small. There are a lot of people that

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come out, and most people that are coming out to

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visit the island are kind of touring around the island

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on about a fourteen mile loop, either driving or biking,

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you know, visiting a few farms or a few you know,

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bird watching the beaches, et cetera. It's a beautiful place

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with a really rich history. I think a lot of

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people can find some of this information by looking it

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up as well. But I should mention like are way

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before moving to the island. Actually, I through schooling I

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had done part of my work was to do some

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research about the island. But yeah, long ago there actually

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there was a band of people who lived on the island,

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the Chinook people molt Nama people who were basically a

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band of the Chinook and they were also known as

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the Wappado Indians by some historians. Lived on the island

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for many, many years and then you know, things changed,

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Disease came, the people were basically wiped out. There were

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you know, distilleries on the island at one point and

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dairy farms, et cetera. And right now it still is

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very much a working farming community and people out here

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work really hard there. You know, they like to have fun,

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but they're also very serious about the work that they do.

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And yeah, great people out here. It's a beautiful place

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as well. There's still lots of their mountain lions on

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the island, their coyotes, you know, black tailed deer fish.

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You know, you have crops, we have rivers and salows,

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and it's a major stop for a huge number of

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migrating birds. So there's you know, plenty of food out here,

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plenty of places to roam undisturbed and unnoticed. And I

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think a lot of people tend to think, oh, it's

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really crowded, but it's I personally don't feel like it's

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super crowded, especially because the area that, like I said,

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people visiting the island, the area that they can access

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is actually fairly small in comparison to the number of

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acres out here.

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When was it when you first realized on this island

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that there might be something out of the ordinary going on.

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Well, you know, I didn't mention this when I wrote

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into but I remembered that one of the first things

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that happened was actually right around November of twenty nineteen.

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I was hiking the area along the beach. There's a

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well known hiking trail out there, very forested area, and

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I was hiking with a friend and I was right

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along the river at that point, and they were just

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maybe two or three feet behind me, and I turned

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around to my left to talk to them, to say something,

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and as I turned, my attention was caught by a

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blue orb right off to the left there, and it

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was just sort of zipping right across the river there.

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So and immediately I said, oh, my gosh, look, you know,

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and they turned around and they didn't see it. They

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had missed it. It was very quick. It was not

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a shooting star. It was definitely blue with some white

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luminescence inside and had a little bit of a tail

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on it. And so that was the first time I'd

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never seen anything like that before. And I thought, huh, well,

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that's interesting. That's pretty cool too, And that was that

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it was my first experience.

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Yeah, that's really interesting. How big would you estimate that

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the orb was?

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Yeah, you know, I thought about it a lot because

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it was over the river, and I was like my

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depth perception and trying to estimate it was a little

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bit skewed, so I you know, in other words, I

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thought it was farther than it actually was. I think

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it was actually just right over about the center of

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the river, and it was probably about the size of

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i'd say a basketball. Yeah, and the most like luminescent blue,

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this really beautiful blue color.

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What was the conversation like after you had that sighting

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of the orb?

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You know, just my friend was disappointed. They thought, oh,

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was that they had had someone close to them who

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had recently passed. And they asked me, do you think

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that's who that was? And I said, I don't know.

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I actually really don't know. And in my mind, though,

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I thought it did not seem out of the question

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to me that it could perhaps be a being of

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the island because so much has gone on here and

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so many people have lived on the island prior to

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modern day people. So that was my my my thought

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was I was leaning more towards so it could be

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a native person. But I don't know.

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Of course, that's really interesting that that is a idea

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I've actually never considered before. That's very very interesting though,

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something that Yeah, after you had this experience with the

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blue orb. Did you start looking around to see if

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there'd been any other things like that reported on the island?

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Done you know? I didn't. I really didn't, and I

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just kind of went on my way and really did

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it give it much thought after that other than wow,

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that was actually kind of a neat thing that happened.

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But I really just kind of went on with life

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after that and didn't give it much thought.

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Interesting, sometimes when people have interactions with things like this,

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it starts to open up their life to other weird things.

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Was that the case or did it just kind of

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you were back to normal?

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Well? I think that that it came after some things

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in my life. I should say that it previously happened,

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or the way I had been living my life, it

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really fit in line with with what was happening for

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me at that time, which was, you know, I guess

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I should say I was really brought up and lived

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in a way that was very close to nature, partly

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by default due to you know, my family's parenting and

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then and partly just due to my my grandmother, who

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was Norwegian and her close connection with the fairy people

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and with the little what she called the little people,

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and so really from a very young age, between her

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and my father, being an Alaska native, I felt a

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deep connection to the land and to creatures seen and unseen,

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and I always just believed that there was more. It

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was just sort of in my blood and my upbringing.

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And I've told a lot of people this, but from

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a very early age, my grandmother would have me help

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her in the garden and we would set out seashells

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that she had that were specifically for food and for

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water for the for the little people. So it started

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early on for me. So this did not was not

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it was a surprise, but yet it was not a

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total surprise for me.

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That makes sense. Is it something where you're you're able

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to share, Like when you say your grandmother hasn't kind

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of close connection with the fairy people, Like what that

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would have exactly mean?

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Uh? Well, it just meant that she brought with her

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her own upbringing and belief in her own I guess

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I want to say natural way of of uh. I

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guess I want to say believing in animism that she

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that she just naturally brought to me. It's it's difficult

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to put it into words, but it was really just

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how she lived her life and the way she cared

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for for her for the creatures, the unseen creatures outside

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in her garden, creatures that she tended to, you know,

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in her own life that she had domesticated as well

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as the unseen. So for me, it was just a given.

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I just really trusted her and believed her that, oh, yeah,

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this is what we do. Okay, there's nothing, nothing super overt,

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you know, this is really I don't I want to say.

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It was almost more of a private thing for her,

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something that she did with me. But it was not

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something that, for example, that she was doing with my

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sister or with my grandfather for example. It was just like,

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this is kind of our private time. I think she

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felt like I would be receptive to that. I was

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more of a dreamier child, so she really kind of

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opened herself up to me in that way.

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Interesting. So when you say there was a there was

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a following of animism, like the belief and this is

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just from Oxford to belief in a supernatural power that

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organizes and animates the material universe or that. Yes, that's

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pretty much what we're talking here.

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Correct, Yeah, totally and in all things, so we're talking

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about you know, I'm talking about plants, I'm talking about creatures,

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I've been talking about objects, so all of those things.

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And that's really I really had a natural bent towards

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that growing up as well, and I didn't realize that

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that's what was happening, or that's kind of that was

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my natural thinking or inclination or upbringing, I should say,

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until you know, somewhere more in my twenties I really

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started to open up to that again and discover it,

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discover it and really kind of follow that line back

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of like, oh yeah, I used to do this thing.

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Oh yeah, I used to you know. So it's really

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interesting and I feel like, for if I can just say,

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like for all of the knows that were happening in

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my life, I would say through my parents, you know

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about like this is how you go through the world,

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this is what you do, this is who you listen to.

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My grandmother was really the opposite of that, and so

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my time with her was really precious and I feel

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like it was such a beautiful balance to the other

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upbringing that it really opened me and it was it

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was like nourishment for my soul.

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I think that is a life experience that most people

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can probably relate to where you know, the parents are

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trying to guide, however, the grandparents or the equivalent are

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there to kind of open the eyes and be like, well,

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maybe you can do this too.

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For sure, for sure, Yeah, she was more of a

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gentle yes, yes, listen here, yes, you know, and yeah,

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and I really latched onto that.

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So after after you've had this this interesting experience with

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seeing the blue orb zipping across the river, what would

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you say was the next thing that came up in

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your your life after that that you took notice of

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as being out of the ordinary.

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Mm hmm. So really at that time, also, I should

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say that that part of uh, this this really uh

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hearkens to the work that I do is really on

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my my own time, and the work that I do

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in the world is really is working with animals, working

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with people, and also having gone through let's say, like

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a mentorship program with some people that are are very

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close to me, that a Native America person who's very

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close to me that ran a program, this mentorship program.

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I'm trying to say this without totally giving away what

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I do or my work and to you know, kind

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of remain anonymous in that way. So bear with me here.

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But so probably the next thing that came to me

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and was something that was shown to me. And basically,

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when I am working in my own garden, when I'm

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working with you know, plant out allies or all any

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of the spirits that are out here, especially on the island,

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and very careful about what I'm doing on the island

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in my own space, and asking for permission and making

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sure is this okay to plant here, and just really

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asking for permission from the island because I feel like

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it has been used in so many ways. I want

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to heal my little parcel of land, if you will,

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and add some nourishment. So I'm constantly asking for guidance

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and really watching out for how is this going to

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affect the creatures that live on this land? How is

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this going to affect the trees, the existing trees, you know,

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the existing wildlife, like I said, the creatures. And so

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I'm constantly asking and typically what I do is just

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it's a meditation, if you will. And it is when

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I am working with the land that I will have

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impressions come to me. And sometimes these impressions will come

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they come to me on the land, they come to

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me when I'm not on the island. They come to

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me in other areas as well, but oftentimes I won't.

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How can I say this. I can be so in

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my head that I will miss the impression when it comes,

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But when I leave this space and I'm relaxed, it

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will the impressions will come to me, if that makes sense.

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So one of the things I did experience on the island,

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here on this land, if you will, was the being I.

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You could call them the green Man, you could call

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them pan but I clearly did receive an impression of

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that being here on the island. And I know that

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might sound crazy to some people, but my experience is

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my experience, and I think we all experience these things differently.

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I don't like see that the being standing there in

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front of me and flesh and blood. It's more of

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a I don't want to say this. I can experience.

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It's more in my mind's eye, but it's not centered

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in my brain, if that makes sense. This is kind

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of a tricky thing to describe, but I think there

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are some people out there that will know what I'm

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talking about. But I can sense it's a sense of

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what's happening it's a sense of who's there in the moment.

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But I don't have always that gift of vision, So yeah,

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I would say it was the green Man. It came

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across to me, though, this being came across to me

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more as pan And I don't know if they looked

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the way that is in my mind that I expected

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them to look, or if this was you know, maybe

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perhaps this being appears to everyone differently, I suppose, But yeah,

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I had a clear vision of that being, and really

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that being, My sense was that they were really having

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an awareness of the work that I'm doing and trying

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to be mindful of how I am moving through the

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island and through this land that I live on in particular.

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So when you say impressions are you are you hearing

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certain things in your mind or is there any way

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or maybe there's there's certain thoughts that come into your mind,

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or is there any way to maybe help us try

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to understand what that means when you get impressions.

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So the impression is oftentimes visual and then it's I

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will see the picture. It's just a flash, but it

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seems very long, if you will, It's happening in a flash,

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but it seems very drawn out, but there can be

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thoughts associated with it that are not my thoughts.

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Got it okay, So you.

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Can say thoughts a slash words that are not of

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that are not from me.

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So it's like it's it's almost and I don't want

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to like try to bend it to something else, But

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in a way it is. It is very similar to

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how other people explain like mind speak in some ways.

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In some ways it might be totally different.

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I don't know, yeah, yeah I have. I guess I

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haven't totally thought about the that eighties mind speak or

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say telepathy in that way. But there are definitely tones.

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You can get a tone for me, I can. I

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can feel a tone or you can call it, you

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know when someone has a tone in their voice, you

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know that's what I mean. So I can get a tone,

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but I doesn't. And it's almost like hearing it, because

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I think a lot of people are like that isn't

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you know how do I hear that? Or what is

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it you're hearing or that you're getting the impression of.

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It's it's so hard to describe because I'm trying to

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describe something that is kind without words. Basically, it's it's

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something that occurs in the quiet space of the mind.

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So I do. I tend to fill my day A

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lot of the time. I can fill my day with

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all kinds of things going on, you know, if it's

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social media or things I'm thinking about. But when I

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take the time to just stop and I can get

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my body into something rhythmical such as gardening or drumming

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or just walking and let all of that go, this

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quiet voice can find the space to enter. And that's

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where it is. And and it's taken practice for me

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to not oh, poo poo it away or what's that

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or just talk over it. It's just I've learned to

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stop and listen. And there has been a beautiful unfolding

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with that that has occurred.

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That that is really really interesting. And I think I

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do agree that from talking to you a lot of people,

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it seems like things like this will occur once we're

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able to well, i mean, really clear our minds out

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of stuff, all the things that are bugging us in

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every day or you know, checking Facebook, whatever. That's when

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you can clear your mind to stuff like that, just

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chill out, meditate, whatever you.

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Want to call it.

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That's when right connections are going to be made. Now,

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when you start to have these impressions, were they pretty

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normal in the way that they would happen, or were

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they kind of you know, here and there, or maybe

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they started to become more and more frequent.

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Yeah, it's very well. What I find is it can

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be very unexpected. It started for me in a very

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unexpected way many years ago in regards to a pet

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that I had that had passed over and so, and

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it was very unexpected. Actually happened when I was driving

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and not even thinking about this beloved pet. And so

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the more though that I slow down and that I

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take time, and that I don't put pressure on myself

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to receive impressions, that does the exact opposite. By the way,

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for me, it just shuts it out and I go

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into my head all of this. So I am when

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I just allow it to flow, it's that's when it happens.

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And so for me, it is become a practice of

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allowing for space and time for that to occur.

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That that is also very very interesting because that's another

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pattern that I see coming up is a lot of

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times when people are like, you know what, I don't

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even care, I'm just going to get into the woods

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or just relax. That's when they'll they'll have maybe some

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sort of communication or connection. But when they're actually like

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out there and they're trying to you know, hit sticks

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on trees and and all that good stuff, which you know,

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hey that's cool too, but you know that might not

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have as many many things happen, right.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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You also mentioned that, you know, along your journey, you've

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you've also had some interesting dreams that have happened. And

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did these did these take place then after the impressions happened?

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M hmm, yeah, yeah, the one in particular that I

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mentioned to via email, Yes, yeah, so yeah, I uh well,

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just to kind of back that up a little bit,

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and and I'll go into that, is that I really

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I had basically the forest people. I should say, I

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had heard about, you know, seeing the Patty film when

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I was younger, etc. Knew about all of that then,

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and I just, like I said, growing up and with

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my grandmother in mind, I just, of course, of course,

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I just believed. I just kind of believed without any

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questions and really had not thought anything else about it

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until probably around twenty twenty. I was listening to a

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podcast came up in my feed, and it was the

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facts by how of how to hunt? You know, the

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facts by how to hunt I guess, as well as

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Subarctic sasquatch, which is Fred Roll. And so I immediately,

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like really started listening intently to Fred Role. He's an

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Alaska native and I had just come from Alaska. I'm

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trying to think of the timeline. I just visited and

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just been up in Alaska and picked up a book

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that caught my eye in one of the bookstores, and

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it was about Nantinak, who is the Alaskan version of

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the hairy man sasquatch, the forest people, and I had

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read that, and then I come home and I listened

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to Fred ruhll right and so and as you're listening

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to these podcasts, uh, you know, more come up into

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your into the feed, and you know, eventually there are

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just a couple that I started listening to and including yours,

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which I thought was awesome, but it really I listened

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for several months, and really those podcasts changed my attitude

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about how I go into the woods. I kind of

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told you a little bit about this before, but how

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I go into the woods all alone with never kind

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of a care in the world, except you know, we're

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thinking of danger, except for you know, I'm aware of

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like mountain lions, rattles, snakes, that kind of thing when

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I'm out in eastern Oregon. But basically I've been more

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afraid of other humans. Okay, but the topic has really

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really made me kind of stop and think a little

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bit as to a why I've felt unease and specific

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forested areas because I do go out and hunt for mushrooms,

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and also it's just something I don't do alone anymore.

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Just I will not do that alone anymore because of it.

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So yeah, and I can also I've heard, you know,

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some of the areas that I've heard actually on your

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podcast are definitely areas where I have felt unease. So

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I was like, yes, validation there, but yeah, and I've

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so I've really gone back and forth as to whether

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or not I would want to come in contact with

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the forest people and how, and I've really kind of

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let all of that that rest. And mainly it's because

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I do tend to startle easily, and so I just

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kind of let all of that that thinking go and

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and just again just stopped thinking about it, stopped listening

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to an extent and then I had something happen. It's

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sort of an unusual.

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Experience, do you okay?

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Yeah, I'm okay. Should I go into that? Yeah?

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Sorry, no, about once once every one of these that

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the tech freaks out, and so I was like, oh

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my god, says just Laster, Yeah that would be great.

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Actually, okay, okay. So, like I said, I basically let

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let all of this go, all of the forest people

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stuff go. Okay. I kind of had this big oh,

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I'm going to listen to these podcasts and this and that,

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and then I just basically let it rest. But I

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did have an awareness of like, oh, you know, there

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are definitely feelings that I get when I'm on the island.

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There are certain places where I will sit and I

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will I will drum. I'll drum for the land, I

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drum for the beings, but definitely feelings of being observed.

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And usually what I what I've I've basically told myself

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before is oh, of course there are creatures out there,

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they're looking at you, you know, but or I have

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also felt the presence of native beings. And actually on

465
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the land that I live there is a an archaeological site.

466
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:01.400
There are many on the island by the way, but

467
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:03.960
there is an archaeological site on the island that people

468
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:08.519
used to camp here, so I wasn't too surprised, but

469
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:13.359
it kind of gave me pause. And so how I've

470
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.519
just been going about my life here is when I'm

471
00:32:16.519 --> 00:32:19.599
on walks, on the property or anywhere, and I have

472
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.599
done this quite a bit anyway, is I'm usually talking.

473
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:27.000
I will talk to the address all the beings, you know,

474
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:32.960
saying hello, just introducing myself. And that is not to

475
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:38.000
say just the forest people, but any beings out there.

476
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.599
I want them to know that I'm walking through, I'm

477
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:45.200
being respectful. I'm typically admiring nature when I'm out there

478
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:50.160
and just really enjoying being under the sky and the

479
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:53.839
birds and all of that out here. Well, so when

480
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:56.519
I head So that's basically how I just go about

481
00:32:56.559 --> 00:33:04.200
my days out here. One night it would be you know,

482
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:10.960
probably I would say a month or so ago or

483
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:14.559
more now, because I've just made disappointment with you. But

484
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:21.480
I had what I can loosely, I'm not even gonna

485
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:23.519
call it a dream. It's not a dream. I've heard

486
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:25.960
a lot of people talk about it here. It's not

487
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:33.000
astral travel. It's It's basically what I believe in is

488
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:36.759
in in the nighttime when I am sleeping, I am

489
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:43.079
going elsewhere. That is my belief and I've i've actually,

490
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:47.279
I've done some work with people that have that actually

491
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:49.319
can guide this a little bit. I heard you mentioned

492
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:52.759
the Monroe Institute the other day on a podcast, and

493
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:55.599
it's it's a very it's it's kind of it's kind

494
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:58.359
of like that, but it's actually with this person named

495
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:01.680
Darius J. Rhight. I don't know if you've heard of him,

496
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:09.079
but anyway, he basically has a method where he teaches

497
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:14.519
you to have an out of body experience, you know,

498
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:20.760
so an OB and it's basically going through sleep paralysis

499
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:25.800
is the doorway into it. So I had been kind

500
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:29.679
of working on that for a while to allow myself

501
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:35.440
a bigger experience. It's basically the OB takes you into

502
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:38.320
what you can say is another dimension. It's the dimension

503
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:41.039
that we enter when we are in our sleep life.

504
00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:48.639
So I had been unsuccessful with that, with practicing this

505
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:55.000
until I finally just let it go. And so what

506
00:34:55.199 --> 00:35:00.960
happened was in my dream life, my dream state, I

507
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:09.800
could say, I suddenly I really snapped too, and I

508
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:11.960
don't know if you've had this experience before. But it

509
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:16.440
was like I had been looking for something subconsciously and

510
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:18.840
then I saw it in all of my senses just

511
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:20.760
turned on. It was like this snap, and I was like,

512
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:26.440
there it is, right. And so what happened was suddenly

513
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:31.519
I looked up and standing before me in the dream state,

514
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:38.639
right in this other dimension were two Sasquatch juveniles, and

515
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:42.239
there was a boy on my left. He was about

516
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.000
eight years old. There was a girl on the right

517
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:48.480
standing very close to him, and she was about five

518
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:51.159
I would say five when I saw them. And so

519
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:54.480
in the meantime, I'm getting all of these what we

520
00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:57.320
already went over, these impressions, right, I'm looking at them,

521
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:01.480
and I was, and I even said, oh my gosh,

522
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:04.920
you're here. And the first thing that came to my

523
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:11.599
mind was, and I said to them was you don't

524
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:15.119
look at all like I thought you would look. You

525
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:20.480
look so like I think I could mistake you for, uh,

526
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:23.599
you know, like a human or a human that just

527
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:27.480
has a lot of hair. And I was so, I

528
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:30.000
don't know, it's just a little bit difficult to explain.

529
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:33.320
But let me see if I can go back to this.

530
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:38.280
So right, So the two juvenile Furst people, the boy

531
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:43.559
and the girl, and I immediately became alert. And the

532
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:47.719
reason I became alert in this was because it is

533
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:51.480
somehow I had been waiting for this, right even though

534
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:53.559
I thought I had let it go here, it was

535
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:57.400
suddenly and I was immediately just alert and wide awake.

536
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:03.239
The interesting thing was that they were about two feet

537
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:08.840
away from me, and they both had like this wispyish

538
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:14.800
black hair like all over their entire bodies except for

539
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:19.320
around the face right and the face the skin was

540
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:23.599
like a black grayish It was like ash sort of

541
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:26.480
this ash color. And what really struck me I was

542
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:29.239
mostly looking at the boy, and I think because I

543
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:33.239
was more eye level with him and just and I

544
00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:36.320
was kind of like bent down a tiny bit and

545
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:38.400
like whoa like kind of like with my hands up

546
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:43.239
sort of looking at him. But their eyes were just

547
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:49.239
black and completely round, black and completely round, kind of

548
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:54.960
like this pearlescent black. And the lips were very full

549
00:37:56.280 --> 00:38:01.800
turned down. But their faces were almost expressionless, but in

550
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:05.039
that way that like here here, so here are the impressions.

551
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:08.800
So they were expressionless, but in that way that if

552
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:12.360
you look at a tiger in the eyes You're like,

553
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:15.400
what is that? What's it going to do? You know,

554
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:19.000
is that tiger happy or is it is it going

555
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:21.559
to eat me? Well? Neither, it's just you know, it's

556
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:25.719
like a wild look. It was a wild look, and

557
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:32.159
but it definitely But the impression I received was they

558
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:35.079
were surprised that they were there. They were kind of

559
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:38.119
like whoa, you know, like whoa, what's going on? And

560
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:41.800
they were surprised they were there, but they knew they

561
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:44.760
were going to be there. They were brought there for,

562
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:51.119
you know, specifically brought before me. And there was something

563
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:55.760
about it that was almost like this humor that only

564
00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:58.000
a five year old and an eight year old could have,

565
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:00.679
like almost like it was something kind of funny about it,

566
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:06.800
Like I could totally pick up on their childishness, the

567
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:13.000
trickster joyful, but also really kind of afraid. But they

568
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:17.559
were like behaving right there. They were behaving because the

569
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:20.960
mama was nearby. I couldn't see her, but I knew

570
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:26.079
she was there and she placed them there before me.

571
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:30.000
They did not look at all like the Patty version.

572
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:33.239
By the way, I know everyone compares to the Patty version,

573
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:38.480
but it seems like there's so many different I don't

574
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:43.719
know species of the fest people. So what's really odd

575
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:49.000
is that they were wearing clothes. So from what I

576
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:54.239
could see, the boy was wearing a shirt. It was

577
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:57.800
almost comical, but he was wearing this little kind of

578
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:01.599
like print, short sleeve button up shirt and almost looked

579
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:04.519
like a Hawaiian print. But you could see like hair

580
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:07.960
sticking out of the chest area, just like lispy little

581
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:12.679
hair sticking out between the buttons, you know, under the arms,

582
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:16.519
the top of the arms, under the arms. And I was,

583
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:20.320
like I said, I was so transfixed on their eyes.

584
00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:25.119
I almost couldn't look down, but I could see everything

585
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:31.639
that was in that space of the face and the

586
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:35.840
upper part of the body. So he was wearing this shirt,

587
00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:40.840
and meanwhile the young girl, the sister you will, was

588
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:45.760
in this little yellow sun dress. Same thing, like hair

589
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:53.840
kind of sticking out everywhere, And it was like, you know,

590
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:57.480
I felt, I felt complete calmness when I looked at them,

591
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:04.400
but surprised the calmness and wonder care and love, And

592
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:07.159
like I said, I just said, oh my gosh, you

593
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:10.880
look so human. I might have mistook you, was what

594
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:16.079
I thought. And they didn't say anything. They just they

595
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:25.079
just looked at me, and really I actually had this

596
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:27.559
impulse when I said that, you know, like, oh my gosh,

597
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:29.840
you look so human. It might have mistook you that

598
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:33.239
I reached out my left hand as if to touch

599
00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:37.199
the boy, and then immediately I drew my hand away,

600
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.360
like like I knew I was not supposed to touch them,

601
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:42.920
Like there's no touching here. Just you can look, but

602
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:48.480
there's no touching. And so it really felt like they

603
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:53.840
were intentionally presented. Like I said, although I could not

604
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:59.280
see the mother, I could really recognize and feel this

605
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:02.960
nurturing presence nearby, almost like I want to say, almost

606
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:10.199
like mother to mother type of thing. And too, I

607
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:12.960
wanted to say too about the clothing they were wearing.

608
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:18.559
It was like she she intentionally put them in that clothing.

609
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:23.119
But I she intentionally put them in that clothing, and

610
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:26.519
they also kind of liked it. They enjoyed it. This

611
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:28.519
is something that they would kind of do, if they

612
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:31.000
will dress up and find clothing and put it on

613
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:34.760
and do this thing. But she, the mama, kind of

614
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:43.440
orchestrated the whole thing. I believe maybe in part she

615
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:51.079
knew that I would accept the children given my some

616
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:53.599
of my work background. I think She knew that I

617
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:56.159
would accept these children and be able to relate to

618
00:42:56.239 --> 00:43:02.440
them and not react to them in fear, versus if

619
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:06.840
I were to, you know, maybe see out in the

620
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:11.639
forest here, you know, suddenly a large mail somewhere, it

621
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:20.159
would really frighten me. Probably. I also really understood that

622
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:27.079
they for her to show me those children that they

623
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:31.119
don't have to be on the island. I do sense

624
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:34.360
that there are beings on the island, force beings on

625
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:38.039
the island, and I have a sense of where, but

626
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:44.440
they My sense was that I can be shown these

627
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:48.599
forest people and they can be completely somewhere else. They

628
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:52.000
don't have to be nearby or to be in contact

629
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:57.719
in that way. Yeah, So that was that was my

630
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:01.639
experience and what I wanted to say. What really struck

631
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:06.960
me about this is right. So the next morning I'm like, whoa, wow, Okay,

632
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:11.880
that was what was that? Okay, you know that was crazy?

633
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:18.079
And then I thought, I'm not going to say anything

634
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:21.960
about this to anyone. I don't know. There's a part

635
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:24.400
of me that I don't you know. I was really

636
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:29.320
struggling even to writing to you about this, which I

637
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:32.760
ended up doing because of something else that happened. Which

638
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.679
I'll tell you about. But I I, you know what,

639
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:41.880
I just feel a respect for these beings. You know,

640
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:45.559
I don't want them harmed. I don't. I don't. I'm

641
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:47.320
not going to go out and search for them. I

642
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:49.960
don't want other people searching for them. I don't want

643
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:53.280
to put them in danger. There's I want to just

644
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:58.079
let them be and if they decide to show themselves

645
00:44:58.079 --> 00:45:01.239
to me in some way, shape or for then that's fine.

646
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.880
But I don't want to intrude. I don't need evidence,

647
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:10.320
et cetera. But what ended up so I was I

648
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:12.440
want that. All of that said, I wanted to be

649
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:15.239
really careful about should I say anything about this or

650
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:18.119
should I not. Okay, well, this kind of experience in

651
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:20.039
the way that I have it, it feels safe to

652
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:23.800
talk about it, like I'm not putting anyone in danger

653
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:29.519
in that way. But what was really interesting is there

654
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:35.880
was I ended up having, you know, sometime later this

655
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:42.119
you know, some feed pop up on YouTube that was

656
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:46.239
I think I mentioned this too. I think this person

657
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:50.000
named Todd or whatever, he has like a military background,

658
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:53.920
and he would attempt to track sasquatch is what he'd say,

659
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:56.679
like for days on end and he's like military and

660
00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:59.559
camo and like, you know, crawling on the ground and

661
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:03.760
the underbrush. And I was like, that's kind of ridiculous

662
00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:06.199
and I should not say that, but I was like, oh,

663
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:09.760
that's that, and I but I ended up clicking on

664
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:15.960
the thumbnail. And in this one episode he showed these

665
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:21.880
pics of what he called a watcher and it looks

666
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:26.079
exactly like these children. It looks like what an adult

667
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:28.760
version of these children would look like. And there's just

668
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:32.880
that was like confirmation for me. I was just like, whoa,

669
00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:38.679
There's no way that someone could have made up what

670
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:47.079
I actually saw. So yeah, so that's my interesting experience

671
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:49.000
while living here.

672
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:55.159
That is people, That is a very cool experience. And

673
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:57.239
thank you for sharing that because I know that's a

674
00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:04.519
very personal thing regarding what you experienced when you were

675
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:08.920
were seeing the you know, the boy and the girl.

676
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:15.079
Do you remember anything about what the environment was like

677
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:17.400
that you were in when you were seeing them.

678
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:25.039
Yeah, it was the environment was gosh, I want to

679
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:28.440
say it was here. The background was you know, it

680
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:31.880
was trees and lots of bushes and stuff like that.

681
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:35.639
They were very close, their backs were like against the bushes.

682
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:38.239
It was a leafy green environment.

683
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:46.639
That makes sense. Yeah, that absolutely, absolutely makes sense. I

684
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:50.559
think I can definitely understand what you are saying when

685
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:55.280
when you were saying you become like alert in the dream.

686
00:47:55.519 --> 00:48:02.639
When I came back from Oregon in July, had extremely

687
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:08.199
extremely I would call them vivid dreams for about like

688
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:11.159
a month to month and a half about the area

689
00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:15.760
that it wasn't like there were like shadows in them,

690
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:19.880
like I wasn't seeing things, but I mean you could

691
00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:23.159
tell like it was just the environment was very vivid

692
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:28.559
and like if I could it felt like if I

693
00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:31.880
could control where I was moving around in the dream,

694
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:35.199
like some really interesting stuff would happen. But I was

695
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:38.559
never to that point. But it was very, very weird,

696
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:43.079
very strange. Yeah, and I was not the only person

697
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:46.679
to have that experience that was also up in that

698
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:51.920
particular area in Oregon, the Wi Lamat National Forest. Also, Yeah,

699
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:54.880
you were It sounds like you were talking probably about

700
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:57.119
an individual named Todd Standing.

701
00:48:58.159 --> 00:48:59.840
Which oh yeah, I don't know his last name.

702
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:04.760
I'm gonna guess the way you're you're describing it, and

703
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:09.079
then the watcher terminology, I think I think we're we're

704
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:12.320
probably safe in saying that, but the weird thing is

705
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:14.639
that how you said that when you saw that, it

706
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:18.639
looked exactly the adult version of the child that was,

707
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:23.559
you know, shown to you. I've also had other people

708
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:27.719
on the show say that what they saw was exactly

709
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:32.639
what is shown in Todd's documentaries or YouTube episodes. And

710
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:37.960
you know, Todd is very in the community of polarizing

711
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:44.079
individual just because of some people think it's it's absolutely

712
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:46.519
not real. Some people are like, yeah, it's the most

713
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:48.880
real thing I've ever seen. And but it's it is

714
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:53.639
very interesting that some witnesses are reporting that, yes, what

715
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:58.079
I saw is is the thing that everyone thinks is

716
00:49:58.239 --> 00:49:59.159
completely fake.

717
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:02.840
It's weird, right, yeah, it's.

718
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:06.760
It's very so weird. Well, he does his work with Gusto,

719
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:13.679
he does. But yeah, and when I saw that, of course,

720
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:17.039
I think the picture that comes to mind the thumbnail

721
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:18.880
that I are, you know, in this little that I

722
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:22.000
clicked on that I saw of his I know, in

723
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.000
my mind's I'm thinking they were more sort of a

724
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:27.880
sandy light brown color, but these guys were like like

725
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:33.239
that given more of a black color, you know, black

726
00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:38.400
fur and ashen skin. Oh. Yeah, it was just it

727
00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:42.880
was alarming, how how it looked like what I saw.

728
00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:52.119
When some individuals have experiences dreams things like this that

729
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:57.440
are so vivid and you have visualizations of of you

730
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:01.119
see things in the in these dreams, did this affect

731
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:04.440
the rest of your life afterwards in any way or

732
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:05.920
what happened afterwards?

733
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:14.360
Well, I think it just well, okay afterwards. I feel

734
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:19.840
like when I have now when I go out into

735
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:27.039
the forest or into let's say, into the forest or

736
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:31.360
on the land here, I think I have I have

737
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:34.400
a heightened sensitivity of am I being watched or not?

738
00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:37.400
You know, I'm I am, And I feel like that's

739
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:39.800
my own thing of like, oh are they here? Am

740
00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:44.239
I being watched? Am I not? And not all the time,

741
00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:47.039
but but definitely some of the time I am. I

742
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:49.760
am aware of that, And I think the thing that

743
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:56.480
changed for me is just it's just more confirmation that

744
00:51:56.840 --> 00:51:59.519
for me, I just really want to make sure that

745
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:03.559
if fine, you know, out in the woods in some

746
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:06.760
of these areas that were like I said, where I

747
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:13.559
have felt unease that I'm actually with someone else or

748
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:16.159
you know, bringing my dog along that kind of thing,

749
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:18.199
versus just by myself.

750
00:52:18.679 --> 00:52:25.719
That makes sense. Definitely, this has been a really fascinating

751
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:31.760
conversation just because you know, most episodes on here I

752
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:36.880
talked to a lot of you know, hunters or researchers,

753
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:41.239
but I think the ones where it's you know, maybe

754
00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:47.119
not a it's actually physically in front of you, but

755
00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:52.400
also there is you're almost having a dream or vision,

756
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:58.480
I think those are very special as well. I honestly

757
00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:05.800
do think that there is some a big part of

758
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.920
this phenomenon that we're going to really figure out in

759
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:12.280
the future. Maybe some of us are figuring out already.

760
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:17.639
We kind of mentioned telepathy beforehand. I think there's a

761
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:20.320
lot of really interesting things that they can do that

762
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:26.719
maybe our science isn't calibrated to completely figure out what's

763
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:29.280
going on, or maybe we're just not supposed to ever

764
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:29.960
figure it out.

765
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:34.159
I don't know, but yeah, yeah, I don't know either.

766
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:36.000
It's easy to really get caught up in it and

767
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:39.920
forget just to be a human, so I really try

768
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:45.360
to just balance it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I've

769
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:49.719
also felt like part of some of the impressions I

770
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:54.280
guess I should say that I have also received since

771
00:53:54.320 --> 00:54:01.559
then is just you know, a realization that like they

772
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:04.719
don't need me, they don't need me, to do anything

773
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:07.760
for them. You know, they're just fine. They don't need

774
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:12.320
my help, so you know what I mean. It's like,

775
00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:14.960
I don't I don't need to gift them. They don't.

776
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:18.159
You know, perhaps the children might like some of those things,

777
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:22.760
but they don't need anything from me, and they I

778
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:30.079
feel like they you know, I don't know. I guess

779
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:32.079
that's that's just what I want to say. They don't.

780
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:34.480
They don't need anything from me. I do have I

781
00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:39.519
am curious about some facets of their of their lives,

782
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:45.519
and I suppose if and I have asked to be

783
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:49.000
shown that in a way that seems appropriate to them,

784
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:52.119
if they if they are willing or they feel like

785
00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:58.840
it is a benefit to the rest of humanity, and

786
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:01.599
so we'll just see if happens.

787
00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:05.719
I think that's that that's a great way for you

788
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:09.559
to be after having that experience, you know, having the respect,

789
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:14.880
putting the ball in their court, but just being okay

790
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:16.840
with with whatever happens.

791
00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:18.920
Aviy.

792
00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:21.159
I want to make sure also that you were able

793
00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:25.039
to share everything that you had wanted to share on

794
00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:26.000
the show tonight.

795
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:32.000
Yeah, I think so. I think that's that's everything.

796
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:34.239
Yeah, that's that's great.

797
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:34.800
That's great.

798
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:36.559
Well, I want to say, you know, thank you for

799
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:40.360
coming on the show. It was a very enjoyable conversation

800
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:43.480
and definitely, you know you'll if you could keep us

801
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:47.360
in the loop if every if anything else happens in

802
00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:49.199
the future, we would love.

803
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:50.199
To hear about it.

804
00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:53.800
Yeah, I definitely will. Thank you so much. You have

805
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:56.559
an incredible podcast. I love the way you are with people,

806
00:55:56.599 --> 00:55:57.280
So thank.

807
00:55:57.079 --> 00:55:59.079
You, thank you.

808
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:03.239
Just wanted to take a minute to say thank you

809
00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:05.800
for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.

810
00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:08.639
Avery's Stories one of those rare encounters that doesn't just

811
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:11.440
challenge what we think is real, it opens a door

812
00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:13.880
to what might be out there when we're quiet enough

813
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:16.920
to listen. The children and the dream the ones with

814
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:19.519
the eyes, the clothes and the silence will stay with

815
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834
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835
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And see you in the woods.