Juvenile Bigfoot in Clothes: The Sauvie Island Encounter

0:00 You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron Tonight's story doesn't come from a hiker or a hunter, comes from a woman whose roots go deep into animism tradition in the wildlands of Savvi Island in Oregon. She didn't chase bigfoote, but when she opens herself up to the land, something answered. This is a first hand experience from someone who didn't expect to see anything but got everything. And this is a story of Avery. In the night, the forest sent its children to stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society, you've got the privilege of talking to Avery today. Avery's an individual. It reached out about some interesting things she's experienced on Savvi Island, which is a thirty thousand acre river island just outside of Portland alongside the Columbia River.

0:49 It's a really interesting setup. You'll want to check it out on a map as you're listening. That'll help out. But Avery, how's it going today? Great? Thank you? Awesome. You know this this won't be the first time that we've heard about things happening on this island, and in fact, that's a big part of why you reached out. As you heard that first episode on the podcast about an individual that had some things happen on Savvi Island as well. Yes, absolutely, yeah. You know, and we were talking beforehand that this is going to be, you know, kind of more of a guided conversation, which is great in sometimes that's to keep things flowing. So this will be a fun chat. But you know, are are you able to share? And we'll just talk as we go along and stuff that needs to be cut out can be and it's not a big issue, but can you can you share how you came to be on the island to begin with?

1:51 Sure? Yeah, I basically came. I'm a native Portlander, lived in the city for many years quite a bit, and then I moved out to the island about five years ago just to get out of the city during all the craziness during Yeah, and so that's how I made it out here. I've always had a love of the island, a respect for the hardworking people out here, and just decided that this is the place where I needed to be and wanted to be, so made my way out here. Yeah, that's awesome. And how would you describe Savi Island to someone who's never seen it or has never step foot on it.

2:32 Yeah, I would say, first of all, it's it's It may seem small. There are a lot of people that come out, and most people that are coming out to visit the island are kind of touring around the island on about a fourteen mile loop, either driving or biking, you know, visiting a few farms or a few you know, bird watching the beaches, et cetera. It's a beautiful place with a really rich history. I think a lot of people can find some of this information by looking it up as well. But I should mention like are way before moving to the island. Actually, I through schooling I had done part of my work was to do some research about the island. But yeah, long ago there actually there was a band of people who lived on the island, the Chinook people molt Nama people who were basically a band of the Chinook and they were also known as the Wappado Indians by some historians. Lived on the island for many, many years and then you know, things changed, Disease came, the people were basically wiped out. There were you know, distilleries on the island at one point and dairy farms, et cetera. And right now it still is very much a working farming community and people out here

4:07 work really hard there. You know, they like to have fun, but they're also very serious about the work that they do. And yeah, great people out here. It's a beautiful place as well. There's still lots of their mountain lions on the island, their coyotes, you know, black tailed deer fish. You know, you have crops, we have rivers and salows, and it's a major stop for a huge number of migrating birds. So there's you know, plenty of food out here, plenty of places to roam undisturbed and unnoticed. And I think a lot of people tend to think, oh, it's really crowded, but it's I personally don't feel like it's super crowded, especially because the area that, like I said, people visiting the island, the area that they can access is actually fairly small in comparison to the number of acres out here.

5:04 When was it when you first realized on this island that there might be something out of the ordinary going on. Well, you know, I didn't mention this when I wrote into but I remembered that one of the first things that happened was actually right around November of twenty nineteen. I was hiking the area along the beach. There's a well known hiking trail out there, very forested area, and I was hiking with a friend and I was right along the river at that point, and they were just maybe two or three feet behind me, and I turned around to my left to talk to them, to say something, and as I turned, my attention was caught by a blue orb right off to the left there, and it was just sort of zipping right across the river there.

6:03 So and immediately I said, oh, my gosh, look, you know, and they turned around and they didn't see it. They had missed it. It was very quick. It was not a shooting star. It was definitely blue with some white luminescence inside and had a little bit of a tail on it. And so that was the first time I'd never seen anything like that before. And I thought, huh, well, that's interesting. That's pretty cool too, And that was that it was my first experience. Yeah, that's really interesting. How big would you estimate that the orb was? Yeah, you know, I thought about it a lot because it was over the river, and I was like my depth perception and trying to estimate it was a little bit skewed, so I you know, in other words, I thought it was farther than it actually was. I think it was actually just right over about the center of the river, and it was probably about the size of i'd say a basketball. Yeah, and the most like luminescent blue, this really beautiful blue color.

7:15 What was the conversation like after you had that sighting of the orb? You know, just my friend was disappointed. They thought, oh, was that they had had someone close to them who had recently passed. And they asked me, do you think that's who that was? And I said, I don't know. I actually really don't know. And in my mind, though, I thought it did not seem out of the question to me that it could perhaps be a being of the island because so much has gone on here and so many people have lived on the island prior to modern day people. So that was my my my thought was I was leaning more towards so it could be a native person. But I don't know.

8:08 Of course, that's really interesting that that is a idea I've actually never considered before. That's very very interesting though, something that Yeah, after you had this experience with the blue orb. Did you start looking around to see if there'd been any other things like that reported on the island? Done you know? I didn't. I really didn't, and I just kind of went on my way and really did it give it much thought after that other than wow, that was actually kind of a neat thing that happened.

8:49 But I really just kind of went on with life after that and didn't give it much thought. Interesting, sometimes when people have interactions with things like this, it starts to open up their life to other weird things. Was that the case or did it just kind of you were back to normal? Well? I think that that it came after some things in my life. I should say that it previously happened, or the way I had been living my life, it really fit in line with with what was happening for me at that time, which was, you know, I guess I should say I was really brought up and lived in a way that was very close to nature, partly by default due to you know, my family's parenting and then and partly just due to my my grandmother, who was Norwegian and her close connection with the fairy people and with the little what she called the little people, and so really from a very young age, between her and my father, being an Alaska native, I felt a deep connection to the land and to creatures seen and unseen,

10:23 and I always just believed that there was more. It was just sort of in my blood and my upbringing. And I've told a lot of people this, but from a very early age, my grandmother would have me help her in the garden and we would set out seashells that she had that were specifically for food and for water for the for the little people. So it started early on for me. So this did not was not it was a surprise, but yet it was not a total surprise for me. That makes sense. Is it something where you're you're able to share, Like when you say your grandmother hasn't kind of close connection with the fairy people, Like what that would have exactly mean?

11:09 Uh? Well, it just meant that she brought with her her own upbringing and belief in her own I guess I want to say natural way of of uh. I guess I want to say believing in animism that she that she just naturally brought to me. It's it's difficult to put it into words, but it was really just how she lived her life and the way she cared for for her for the creatures, the unseen creatures outside in her garden, creatures that she tended to, you know, in her own life that she had domesticated as well as the unseen. So for me, it was just a given.

11:54 I just really trusted her and believed her that, oh, yeah, this is what we do. Okay, there's nothing, nothing super overt, you know, this is really I don't I want to say. It was almost more of a private thing for her, something that she did with me. But it was not something that, for example, that she was doing with my sister or with my grandfather for example. It was just like, this is kind of our private time. I think she felt like I would be receptive to that. I was more of a dreamier child, so she really kind of opened herself up to me in that way. Interesting. So when you say there was a there was a following of animism, like the belief and this is just from Oxford to belief in a supernatural power that organizes and animates the material universe or that. Yes, that's pretty much what we're talking here.

12:54 Correct, Yeah, totally and in all things, so we're talking about you know, I'm talking about plants, I'm talking about creatures, I've been talking about objects, so all of those things. And that's really I really had a natural bent towards that growing up as well, and I didn't realize that that's what was happening, or that's kind of that was my natural thinking or inclination or upbringing, I should say, until you know, somewhere more in my twenties I really started to open up to that again and discover it, discover it and really kind of follow that line back of like, oh yeah, I used to do this thing.

13:42 Oh yeah, I used to you know. So it's really interesting and I feel like, for if I can just say, like for all of the knows that were happening in my life, I would say through my parents, you know about like this is how you go through the world, this is what you do, this is who you listen to. My grandmother was really the opposite of that, and so my time with her was really precious and I feel like it was such a beautiful balance to the other upbringing that it really opened me and it was it was like nourishment for my soul.

14:23 I think that is a life experience that most people can probably relate to where you know, the parents are trying to guide, however, the grandparents or the equivalent are there to kind of open the eyes and be like, well, maybe you can do this too. For sure, for sure, Yeah, she was more of a gentle yes, yes, listen here, yes, you know, and yeah, and I really latched onto that. So after after you've had this this interesting experience with seeing the blue orb zipping across the river, what would you say was the next thing that came up in your your life after that that you took notice of as being out of the ordinary.

15:18 Mm hmm. So really at that time, also, I should say that that part of uh, this this really uh hearkens to the work that I do is really on my my own time, and the work that I do in the world is really is working with animals, working with people, and also having gone through let's say, like a mentorship program with some people that are are very close to me, that a Native America person who's very close to me that ran a program, this mentorship program.

16:04 I'm trying to say this without totally giving away what I do or my work and to you know, kind of remain anonymous in that way. So bear with me here. But so probably the next thing that came to me and was something that was shown to me. And basically, when I am working in my own garden, when I'm working with you know, plant out allies or all any of the spirits that are out here, especially on the island, and very careful about what I'm doing on the island in my own space, and asking for permission and making sure is this okay to plant here, and just really asking for permission from the island because I feel like it has been used in so many ways. I want to heal my little parcel of land, if you will, and add some nourishment. So I'm constantly asking for guidance and really watching out for how is this going to affect the creatures that live on this land? How is this going to affect the trees, the existing trees, you know, the existing wildlife, like I said, the creatures. And so I'm constantly asking and typically what I do is just it's a meditation, if you will. And it is when

17:35 I am working with the land that I will have impressions come to me. And sometimes these impressions will come they come to me on the land, they come to me when I'm not on the island. They come to me in other areas as well, but oftentimes I won't. How can I say this. I can be so in my head that I will miss the impression when it comes, But when I leave this space and I'm relaxed, it will the impressions will come to me, if that makes sense. So one of the things I did experience on the island, here on this land, if you will, was the being I.

18:22 You could call them the green Man, you could call them pan but I clearly did receive an impression of that being here on the island. And I know that might sound crazy to some people, but my experience is my experience, and I think we all experience these things differently. I don't like see that the being standing there in front of me and flesh and blood. It's more of a I don't want to say this. I can experience. It's more in my mind's eye, but it's not centered in my brain, if that makes sense. This is kind of a tricky thing to describe, but I think there are some people out there that will know what I'm talking about. But I can sense it's a sense of what's happening it's a sense of who's there in the moment.

19:13 But I don't have always that gift of vision, So yeah, I would say it was the green Man. It came across to me, though, this being came across to me more as pan And I don't know if they looked the way that is in my mind that I expected them to look, or if this was you know, maybe perhaps this being appears to everyone differently, I suppose, But yeah, I had a clear vision of that being, and really that being, My sense was that they were really having an awareness of the work that I'm doing and trying to be mindful of how I am moving through the island and through this land that I live on in particular.

20:08 So when you say impressions are you are you hearing certain things in your mind or is there any way or maybe there's there's certain thoughts that come into your mind, or is there any way to maybe help us try to understand what that means when you get impressions. So the impression is oftentimes visual and then it's I will see the picture. It's just a flash, but it seems very long, if you will, It's happening in a flash, but it seems very drawn out, but there can be thoughts associated with it that are not my thoughts.

21:01 Got it okay, So you. Can say thoughts a slash words that are not of that are not from me. So it's like it's it's almost and I don't want to like try to bend it to something else, But in a way it is. It is very similar to how other people explain like mind speak in some ways. In some ways it might be totally different. I don't know, yeah, yeah I have. I guess I haven't totally thought about the that eighties mind speak or say telepathy in that way. But there are definitely tones.

21:46 You can get a tone for me, I can. I can feel a tone or you can call it, you know when someone has a tone in their voice, you know that's what I mean. So I can get a tone, but I doesn't. And it's almost like hearing it, because I think a lot of people are like that isn't you know how do I hear that? Or what is it you're hearing or that you're getting the impression of. It's it's so hard to describe because I'm trying to describe something that is kind without words. Basically, it's it's something that occurs in the quiet space of the mind.

22:36 So I do. I tend to fill my day A lot of the time. I can fill my day with all kinds of things going on, you know, if it's social media or things I'm thinking about. But when I take the time to just stop and I can get my body into something rhythmical such as gardening or drumming or just walking and let all of that go, this quiet voice can find the space to enter. And that's where it is. And and it's taken practice for me to not oh, poo poo it away or what's that or just talk over it. It's just I've learned to stop and listen. And there has been a beautiful unfolding with that that has occurred.

23:31 That that is really really interesting. And I think I do agree that from talking to you a lot of people, it seems like things like this will occur once we're able to well, i mean, really clear our minds out of stuff, all the things that are bugging us in every day or you know, checking Facebook, whatever. That's when you can clear your mind to stuff like that, just chill out, meditate, whatever you. Want to call it. That's when right connections are going to be made. Now, when you start to have these impressions, were they pretty normal in the way that they would happen, or were they kind of you know, here and there, or maybe they started to become more and more frequent.

24:24 Yeah, it's very well. What I find is it can be very unexpected. It started for me in a very unexpected way many years ago in regards to a pet that I had that had passed over and so, and it was very unexpected. Actually happened when I was driving and not even thinking about this beloved pet. And so the more though that I slow down and that I take time, and that I don't put pressure on myself to receive impressions, that does the exact opposite. By the way, for me, it just shuts it out and I go into my head all of this. So I am when I just allow it to flow, it's that's when it happens.

25:19 And so for me, it is become a practice of allowing for space and time for that to occur. That that is also very very interesting because that's another pattern that I see coming up is a lot of times when people are like, you know what, I don't even care, I'm just going to get into the woods or just relax. That's when they'll they'll have maybe some sort of communication or connection. But when they're actually like out there and they're trying to you know, hit sticks on trees and and all that good stuff, which you know, hey that's cool too, but you know that might not have as many many things happen, right.

26:09 Yeah. Yeah. You also mentioned that, you know, along your journey, you've you've also had some interesting dreams that have happened. And did these did these take place then after the impressions happened? M hmm, yeah, yeah, the one in particular that I mentioned to via email, Yes, yeah, so yeah, I uh well, just to kind of back that up a little bit, and and I'll go into that, is that I really I had basically the forest people. I should say, I had heard about, you know, seeing the Patty film when I was younger, etc. Knew about all of that then, and I just, like I said, growing up and with my grandmother in mind, I just, of course, of course, I just believed. I just kind of believed without any questions and really had not thought anything else about it until probably around twenty twenty. I was listening to a podcast came up in my feed, and it was the facts by how of how to hunt? You know, the facts by how to hunt I guess, as well as Subarctic sasquatch, which is Fred Roll. And so I immediately,

27:42 like really started listening intently to Fred Role. He's an Alaska native and I had just come from Alaska. I'm trying to think of the timeline. I just visited and just been up in Alaska and picked up a book that caught my eye in one of the bookstores, and it was about Nantinak, who is the Alaskan version of the hairy man sasquatch, the forest people, and I had read that, and then I come home and I listened to Fred ruhll right and so and as you're listening to these podcasts, uh, you know, more come up into your into the feed, and you know, eventually there are just a couple that I started listening to and including yours, which I thought was awesome, but it really I listened for several months, and really those podcasts changed my attitude about how I go into the woods. I kind of told you a little bit about this before, but how I go into the woods all alone with never kind of a care in the world, except you know, we're thinking of danger, except for you know, I'm aware of like mountain lions, rattles, snakes, that kind of thing when I'm out in eastern Oregon. But basically I've been more afraid of other humans. Okay, but the topic has really really made me kind of stop and think a little

29:12 bit as to a why I've felt unease and specific forested areas because I do go out and hunt for mushrooms, and also it's just something I don't do alone anymore. Just I will not do that alone anymore because of it. So yeah, and I can also I've heard, you know, some of the areas that I've heard actually on your podcast are definitely areas where I have felt unease. So I was like, yes, validation there, but yeah, and I've so I've really gone back and forth as to whether or not I would want to come in contact with the forest people and how, and I've really kind of let all of that that rest. And mainly it's because I do tend to startle easily, and so I just kind of let all of that that thinking go and and just again just stopped thinking about it, stopped listening to an extent and then I had something happen. It's sort of an unusual.

30:32 Experience, do you okay? Yeah, I'm okay. Should I go into that? Yeah? Sorry, no, about once once every one of these that the tech freaks out, and so I was like, oh my god, says just Laster, Yeah that would be great. Actually, okay, okay. So, like I said, I basically let let all of this go, all of the forest people stuff go. Okay. I kind of had this big oh, I'm going to listen to these podcasts and this and that, and then I just basically let it rest. But I did have an awareness of like, oh, you know, there are definitely feelings that I get when I'm on the island.

31:26 There are certain places where I will sit and I will I will drum. I'll drum for the land, I drum for the beings, but definitely feelings of being observed. And usually what I what I've I've basically told myself before is oh, of course there are creatures out there, they're looking at you, you know, but or I have also felt the presence of native beings. And actually on the land that I live there is a an archaeological site. There are many on the island by the way, but there is an archaeological site on the island that people used to camp here, so I wasn't too surprised, but it kind of gave me pause. And so how I've just been going about my life here is when I'm on walks, on the property or anywhere, and I have done this quite a bit anyway, is I'm usually talking.

32:23 I will talk to the address all the beings, you know, saying hello, just introducing myself. And that is not to say just the forest people, but any beings out there. I want them to know that I'm walking through, I'm being respectful. I'm typically admiring nature when I'm out there and just really enjoying being under the sky and the birds and all of that out here. Well, so when I head So that's basically how I just go about my days out here. One night it would be you know, probably I would say a month or so ago or more now, because I've just made disappointment with you. But I had what I can loosely, I'm not even gonna call it a dream. It's not a dream. I've heard a lot of people talk about it here. It's not astral travel. It's It's basically what I believe in is in in the nighttime when I am sleeping, I am going elsewhere. That is my belief and I've i've actually, I've done some work with people that have that actually can guide this a little bit. I heard you mentioned the Monroe Institute the other day on a podcast, and

33:53 it's it's a very it's it's kind of it's kind of like that, but it's actually with this person named Darius J. Rhight. I don't know if you've heard of him, but anyway, he basically has a method where he teaches you to have an out of body experience, you know, so an OB and it's basically going through sleep paralysis is the doorway into it. So I had been kind of working on that for a while to allow myself a bigger experience. It's basically the OB takes you into what you can say is another dimension. It's the dimension that we enter when we are in our sleep life.

34:41 So I had been unsuccessful with that, with practicing this until I finally just let it go. And so what happened was in my dream life, my dream state, I could say, I suddenly I really snapped too, and I don't know if you've had this experience before. But it was like I had been looking for something subconsciously and then I saw it in all of my senses just turned on. It was like this snap, and I was like, there it is, right. And so what happened was suddenly I looked up and standing before me in the dream state, right in this other dimension were two Sasquatch juveniles, and there was a boy on my left. He was about eight years old. There was a girl on the right standing very close to him, and she was about five I would say five when I saw them. And so in the meantime, I'm getting all of these what we already went over, these impressions, right, I'm looking at them, and I was, and I even said, oh my gosh, you're here. And the first thing that came to my mind was, and I said to them was you don't look at all like I thought you would look. You

36:15 look so like I think I could mistake you for, uh, you know, like a human or a human that just has a lot of hair. And I was so, I don't know, it's just a little bit difficult to explain. But let me see if I can go back to this. So right, So the two juvenile Furst people, the boy and the girl, and I immediately became alert. And the reason I became alert in this was because it is somehow I had been waiting for this, right even though I thought I had let it go here, it was suddenly and I was immediately just alert and wide awake.

36:59 The interesting thing was that they were about two feet away from me, and they both had like this wispyish black hair like all over their entire bodies except for around the face right and the face the skin was like a black grayish It was like ash sort of this ash color. And what really struck me I was mostly looking at the boy, and I think because I was more eye level with him and just and I was kind of like bent down a tiny bit and like whoa like kind of like with my hands up sort of looking at him. But their eyes were just black and completely round, black and completely round, kind of like this pearlescent black. And the lips were very full turned down. But their faces were almost expressionless, but in that way that like here here, so here are the impressions.

38:05 So they were expressionless, but in that way that if you look at a tiger in the eyes You're like, what is that? What's it going to do? You know, is that tiger happy or is it is it going to eat me? Well? Neither, it's just you know, it's like a wild look. It was a wild look, and but it definitely But the impression I received was they were surprised that they were there. They were kind of like whoa, you know, like whoa, what's going on? And they were surprised they were there, but they knew they were going to be there. They were brought there for, you know, specifically brought before me. And there was something about it that was almost like this humor that only a five year old and an eight year old could have, like almost like it was something kind of funny about it, Like I could totally pick up on their childishness, the trickster joyful, but also really kind of afraid. But they were like behaving right there. They were behaving because the mama was nearby. I couldn't see her, but I knew she was there and she placed them there before me.

39:27 They did not look at all like the Patty version. By the way, I know everyone compares to the Patty version, but it seems like there's so many different I don't know species of the fest people. So what's really odd is that they were wearing clothes. So from what I could see, the boy was wearing a shirt. It was almost comical, but he was wearing this little kind of like print, short sleeve button up shirt and almost looked like a Hawaiian print. But you could see like hair sticking out of the chest area, just like lispy little hair sticking out between the buttons, you know, under the arms, the top of the arms, under the arms. And I was, like I said, I was so transfixed on their eyes.

40:20 I almost couldn't look down, but I could see everything that was in that space of the face and the upper part of the body. So he was wearing this shirt, and meanwhile the young girl, the sister you will, was in this little yellow sun dress. Same thing, like hair kind of sticking out everywhere, And it was like, you know, I felt, I felt complete calmness when I looked at them, but surprised the calmness and wonder care and love, And like I said, I just said, oh my gosh, you look so human. I might have mistook you, was what I thought. And they didn't say anything. They just they just looked at me, and really I actually had this impulse when I said that, you know, like, oh my gosh, you look so human. It might have mistook you that I reached out my left hand as if to touch the boy, and then immediately I drew my hand away, like like I knew I was not supposed to touch them, Like there's no touching here. Just you can look, but there's no touching. And so it really felt like they were intentionally presented. Like I said, although I could not

41:54 see the mother, I could really recognize and feel this nurturing presence nearby, almost like I want to say, almost like mother to mother type of thing. And too, I wanted to say too about the clothing they were wearing. It was like she she intentionally put them in that clothing. But I she intentionally put them in that clothing, and they also kind of liked it. They enjoyed it. This is something that they would kind of do, if they will dress up and find clothing and put it on and do this thing. But she, the mama, kind of orchestrated the whole thing. I believe maybe in part she knew that I would accept the children given my some of my work background. I think She knew that I would accept these children and be able to relate to them and not react to them in fear, versus if I were to, you know, maybe see out in the forest here, you know, suddenly a large mail somewhere, it would really frighten me. Probably. I also really understood that they for her to show me those children that they

43:27 don't have to be on the island. I do sense that there are beings on the island, force beings on the island, and I have a sense of where, but they My sense was that I can be shown these forest people and they can be completely somewhere else. They don't have to be nearby or to be in contact in that way. Yeah, So that was that was my experience and what I wanted to say. What really struck me about this is right. So the next morning I'm like, whoa, wow, Okay, that was what was that? Okay, you know that was crazy?

44:13 And then I thought, I'm not going to say anything about this to anyone. I don't know. There's a part of me that I don't you know. I was really struggling even to writing to you about this, which I ended up doing because of something else that happened. Which I'll tell you about. But I I, you know what, I just feel a respect for these beings. You know, I don't want them harmed. I don't. I don't. I'm not going to go out and search for them. I don't want other people searching for them. I don't want to put them in danger. There's I want to just let them be and if they decide to show themselves to me in some way, shape or for then that's fine.

45:01 But I don't want to intrude. I don't need evidence, et cetera. But what ended up so I was I want that. All of that said, I wanted to be really careful about should I say anything about this or should I not. Okay, well, this kind of experience in the way that I have it, it feels safe to talk about it, like I'm not putting anyone in danger in that way. But what was really interesting is there was I ended up having, you know, sometime later this you know, some feed pop up on YouTube that was I think I mentioned this too. I think this person named Todd or whatever, he has like a military background, and he would attempt to track sasquatch is what he'd say, like for days on end and he's like military and camo and like, you know, crawling on the ground and the underbrush. And I was like, that's kind of ridiculous and I should not say that, but I was like, oh, that's that, and I but I ended up clicking on the thumbnail. And in this one episode he showed these pics of what he called a watcher and it looks exactly like these children. It looks like what an adult version of these children would look like. And there's just that was like confirmation for me. I was just like, whoa,

46:33 There's no way that someone could have made up what I actually saw. So yeah, so that's my interesting experience while living here. That is people, That is a very cool experience. And thank you for sharing that because I know that's a very personal thing regarding what you experienced when you were were seeing the you know, the boy and the girl. Do you remember anything about what the environment was like that you were in when you were seeing them.

47:19 Yeah, it was the environment was gosh, I want to say it was here. The background was you know, it was trees and lots of bushes and stuff like that. They were very close, their backs were like against the bushes. It was a leafy green environment. That makes sense. Yeah, that absolutely, absolutely makes sense. I think I can definitely understand what you are saying when when you were saying you become like alert in the dream. When I came back from Oregon in July, had extremely extremely I would call them vivid dreams for about like a month to month and a half about the area that it wasn't like there were like shadows in them, like I wasn't seeing things, but I mean you could tell like it was just the environment was very vivid and like if I could it felt like if I could control where I was moving around in the dream, like some really interesting stuff would happen. But I was never to that point. But it was very, very weird, very strange. Yeah, and I was not the only person to have that experience that was also up in that particular area in Oregon, the Wi Lamat National Forest. Also, Yeah,

48:51 you were It sounds like you were talking probably about an individual named Todd Standing. Which oh yeah, I don't know his last name. I'm gonna guess the way you're you're describing it, and then the watcher terminology, I think I think we're we're probably safe in saying that, but the weird thing is that how you said that when you saw that, it looked exactly the adult version of the child that was, you know, shown to you. I've also had other people on the show say that what they saw was exactly what is shown in Todd's documentaries or YouTube episodes. And you know, Todd is very in the community of polarizing individual just because of some people think it's it's absolutely not real. Some people are like, yeah, it's the most real thing I've ever seen. And but it's it is very interesting that some witnesses are reporting that, yes, what I saw is is the thing that everyone thinks is completely fake.

50:00 It's weird, right, yeah, it's. It's very so weird. Well, he does his work with Gusto, he does. But yeah, and when I saw that, of course, I think the picture that comes to mind the thumbnail that I are, you know, in this little that I clicked on that I saw of his I know, in my mind's I'm thinking they were more sort of a sandy light brown color, but these guys were like like that given more of a black color, you know, black fur and ashen skin. Oh. Yeah, it was just it was alarming, how how it looked like what I saw.

50:46 When some individuals have experiences dreams things like this that are so vivid and you have visualizations of of you see things in the in these dreams, did this affect the rest of your life afterwards in any way or what happened afterwards? Well, I think it just well, okay afterwards. I feel like when I have now when I go out into the forest or into let's say, into the forest or on the land here, I think I have I have a heightened sensitivity of am I being watched or not?

51:34 You know, I'm I am, And I feel like that's my own thing of like, oh are they here? Am I being watched? Am I not? And not all the time, but but definitely some of the time I am. I am aware of that, And I think the thing that changed for me is just it's just more confirmation that for me, I just really want to make sure that if fine, you know, out in the woods in some of these areas that were like I said, where I have felt unease that I'm actually with someone else or you know, bringing my dog along that kind of thing, versus just by myself.

52:18 That makes sense. Definitely, this has been a really fascinating conversation just because you know, most episodes on here I talked to a lot of you know, hunters or researchers, but I think the ones where it's you know, maybe not a it's actually physically in front of you, but also there is you're almost having a dream or vision, I think those are very special as well. I honestly do think that there is some a big part of this phenomenon that we're going to really figure out in the future. Maybe some of us are figuring out already.

53:13 We kind of mentioned telepathy beforehand. I think there's a lot of really interesting things that they can do that maybe our science isn't calibrated to completely figure out what's going on, or maybe we're just not supposed to ever figure it out. I don't know, but yeah, yeah, I don't know either. It's easy to really get caught up in it and forget just to be a human, so I really try to just balance it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I've also felt like part of some of the impressions I guess I should say that I have also received since then is just you know, a realization that like they don't need me, they don't need me, to do anything for them. You know, they're just fine. They don't need my help, so you know what I mean. It's like, I don't I don't need to gift them. They don't.

54:15 You know, perhaps the children might like some of those things, but they don't need anything from me, and they I feel like they you know, I don't know. I guess that's that's just what I want to say. They don't. They don't need anything from me. I do have I am curious about some facets of their of their lives, and I suppose if and I have asked to be shown that in a way that seems appropriate to them, if they if they are willing or they feel like it is a benefit to the rest of humanity, and so we'll just see if happens.

55:02 I think that's that that's a great way for you to be after having that experience, you know, having the respect, putting the ball in their court, but just being okay with with whatever happens. Aviy. I want to make sure also that you were able to share everything that you had wanted to share on the show tonight. Yeah, I think so. I think that's that's everything. Yeah, that's that's great. That's great. Well, I want to say, you know, thank you for coming on the show. It was a very enjoyable conversation and definitely, you know you'll if you could keep us in the loop if every if anything else happens in the future, we would love.

55:49 To hear about it. Yeah, I definitely will. Thank you so much. You have an incredible podcast. I love the way you are with people, So thank. You, thank you. Just wanted to take a minute to say thank you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Avery's Stories one of those rare encounters that doesn't just challenge what we think is real, it opens a door to what might be out there when we're quiet enough to listen. The children and the dream the ones with the eyes, the clothes and the silence will stay with us all for a long time. If you enjoy this conversation, please subscribe to the channel on YouTube, hit the bell icons so you never miss an episode, and share this one with someone who's in a Sasquatch dream Visitations or the deep woods of Oregon. And if you're listening on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, make sure you're following the show and if you're up for it, leave a review. It really helps new listeners find us now. If you or someone you know has it a big foot encounter anywhere in Oregon, I'd love to hear your stories, so please email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com and let's talk about it and don't forget. Sasquatch Summerfest is happening July eleventh through the twelfth at Greenwater's Park and Oakradge organ Bigfoot Society listeners can grab a two day pass for the price of a one day admission using.

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