Lakota Family Bigfoot Encounters That Spanned Generations | Pine Ridge, South Dakota

0:00 You're listening to Big Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, pick for Society. Welcome back to another episode. We've got the privilege of talking to Summer today. Summer is from the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota, specifically from the Oglala tribe, also sometimes referred to as Lakota. But welcome to the show, Summer.

0:51 How are you doing today? I am doing well, Thank you. Absolutely. I know a little bit about what we are going to be taught talking about. There's a lot of information that's going to be shared through this, But is there anything else that the listeners would need to know about you for context before we start chatting? Excuse me just that I'm a part of the Oglausu tribe, and like you said, we refer to ourselves also as a la kota. I grew up with a traditional family. We spoke la kota. We understood la quota, and we understood the value of nature and being in balance with nature.

1:36 What do you think it means to be in balance with nature? How does one do that? To know that we aren't the only thing in this world? To know that we need to respect everything that we come across, Like if we go out to harvest the berries during the fall or late summer, that we lay down and offering. Also so knowing that there are other beings in this world, then it also remains is like a respect for them. Also, sure are there certain things that you've found are our best to put forward as an offering when you're giving those?

2:31 Growing up, we would offer up what we had gathered, not everything, but like a handful. We would offer some water, And as I grew up, tobacco was a part of it. So we just offer like a little a pinch of tobacco. And one key thing was a match. I don't know why it was a match, but it would alway. Be a match, and would that be an unlit match or a Layton. Spent matchnlit unlit match.

3:12 That that's very interesting. I was just actually out in the woods of Tennessee for a camp out, Randy's crypted camp out, and there's an individual there. I don't think he would probably want his name mentioned, and apologies if he does, but I'm going to leave it as not. And we were out in the woods and he was actually from a tribe in Oklahoma, and I was able to see what an offering of tobacco what that actually entails. And it was a very it was a fascinating thing to watch and to be part of just by being in the area. It's just it's a beautiful, beautiful thing that happens. It is so summer. Can you take us back to what was the first time? And sorry, before you get started, is it okay? Are we okay to reference as to what we're talking about as bigfoot or would you prefer that it be referred to as as something else?

4:25 We would call them uh see only in that in that basically, remember uh translates to bigfoot because of the print in the in the grounds that we would find and it would be bigger than uh, your apper, I guess regular foot size according to us here, so it sometime sea tonka. Some people refer to many other names in their languages, but basically that would be for us. Very good. So can you think of you know, I think back when you're growing up, and what are some of the first memories of either hearing about sutanka or having an interaction with that.

5:18 The first time I remember having any sort of interaction or feeling or anyone else pointing it out was when I was about six years old, and that would be back in nineteen seventy six, and we were out I think it was. We were out picking and we were gathering. We have like a I guess it would be called a gooseberry, but for us, it's just like a yellow berry.

5:59 And I'm not too sure what the like the plant name for it would be officially, but we call it a Musticia lata, or it's like a rabbit berry, because I guess there's a lot of rabbits are towards the bottom of the bush, so it's just describing what's happening with that bush. They're a little RedBerry. So when we go out to gather things or we would harvest the turn ups in the ground. Again, I don't know what the American plant name would be for it, but we call them team si la in our in our language.

6:46 So we'd gather them, and my grandmother, who was very clean, I guess you would say inclined or connected with things, she would all of a sudden she would tell us to you, and we weren't loud, like screaming or anything. All the kids would go along do what we were supposed to gather, but we would talk and then she would tell us. She would tell us in our language in La, which is quiet, and she wouldn't say. She wouldn't yell at you, just say amyla. So then all the kids would just stop, and then she would say wannai huni. She'd say they're here now, and then she would refer to either them as like she or which is uncle, or tunkashila which is grandfather. And then she would tell us to gather up some of the berries like a handful of beach, and she would take them to a spot and she would say prayers and she would take At that time, I didn't notice or anything if she took the tobacco or the match, but that's what she would take off her and then she would tell us that it's time to go, so it wouldn't be like a scary thing, but it would be known that someone else is there. So we would gather and then we'd get all our things together and then we'd make our way home. That was the first time I didn't see, but I knew that there was a presence

8:20 that she knew of. And later she would describe it as the seitanka and she would say that she would tell them, tell us that it was like our relative that was our uncle or our grandfather, and that they were here and we just don't bother them. So I mean, that's what I grew up with knowing at that time. Do you have any excuse me, do you have any ideas of or did you ever learn how your grandmother knew that they were there?

9:00 She had learned it from her grandfather. And this was this is an interesting story because he would tell and he would say dreams. But he would have these dreams where he was in a cave and there were like little orbs sometimes, and he said there were like squares sometimes, but in those orbs or squares, there was like moments of people's lives, or people where they were still doing what they were doing in their you know how you would have Okay, let me do a person washing dishes.

9:52 I think there might have been like some Twilight Zone things like this later on in life that I had seen and remembered, but a lady washing dishes. So in this orb would show this person doing what they were doing, but not knowing that they were an orb or a square. So he in this cave, he would see these things and he would walk along them, and he said it was very Some things he couldn't describe, but he would say that like a bicycle, and then like just describing moments in life, like me right now doing what I'm doing right now. This could be in an orb in one of or a square in one of those moments, and that's what he would see. And some of them he couldn't really describe because this is back and he spoke La Cota fluently, and he didn't speak very much English, so that's where it came from. And he would tell us well through stories through her. She would He would tell my grandmother that there are other beings in this world and beyond, and that we aren't the only ones, and he would and that was what she learned, and then she would pass it on to us that we aren't the only beings in this world where there are

11:23 many other things, and not just describing like human beings or or the fish or anything, but like coming from somewhere else. So that's where she became familiar with a lot of the the Bigfoot and he would describe him as a tall, very hairy man. Would they come around and they just come through? They they and he would say, well, she would tell us us. What he would say is that they're there related like they have a link to us, and that we shouldn't be scared because there you just come through. So I mean that's the first and so she became I guess sensitized, and I wouldn't say sensitized, but she became familiar with when she would have that feeling that they're they're clothes or they're here, and then she would just go outside and make an operation. I would say, that would be where they came from.

12:37 That is fascinating. Do orbs play? Do orbs show up in the Lakota culture quite prevalent or quite often? Or is that a kind of rare thing to see. Those I wouldn't I can't really say for everyone, but are one of the symbols we have in our culture is a circle, and it's I guess it would be like they would talk about the circle of life, things go around, I guess, go around, come around type of thing.

13:17 So they would always talk about don't do bad things because it'll come back and get you. So I guess in that sense it would be in an orb. As far as like a symbol like a sun or I'm not too sure if all of all of our people or just certain people would would recognize that. M hmm. It's it's really interesting. It's it's one of those you know. I know the community tries to figure that out because it seems that when there's an area with big fodactivity, usually you're going to have some sort of ORB or light activity in the same area. And I don't think we know the answer to that question yet, But is summer when you're growing up in this area, was how was Satanka viewed by those that you would have you would talk to in the community, maybe elders or people your age.

14:28 It wasn't really talked about. I mean, we had people who would experience things, but they just didn't really talk about it because it wasn't like something like I guess common, very common, So it was it wasn't, but it was known, and so it just wasn't totally talked about. I guess you would say like, oh, yeah, I saw one over there. It was like you would try to find out why you saw it, what you were doing to you cause this, I guess, were you doing something you weren't supposed to be because they're referred to as part of nature, kind of like a guardian maybe. And you were talking about yeah, you were talking about the orbs of light, And I do remember when I was growing up that when these things would happen, and it would there would always be a flash of light or like a light zooming off into the sky or the light just being there and then just you know how it's engulfs or it goes within itself. And when you said that, that's what reminded me that I would see those, but we wouldn't really

16:01 question because it's like, Okay, that does happen. Sure it is in you know, you're grow growing up in that area and and that culture. Is it? Tanaka looked at as a like a physical creature, or sometimes like you know, in our community, there's some individuals where it's like, you know, it's going through portals, it's you. Sometimes you just see the silhouette of it. You see kind of like a shimmery look to it instead of the actual creature. Are those things that you experience as well or.

16:47 Growing up? I saw shadows and I saw the bigfoot then, and it if it was scary like it I said, got I wanted to leave or anything. It was kind of like hmm, you know, you kind of like, Okay, it's there. And maybe it was because my grandmother told us about them. Maybe it was because we had experienced it so often when we would go out and go hunting or or go picking gathering before winter came. But it was just one of those And I don't know, and I can't say it was for everyone that experience or that feeling. I know there are some people in our area in our reservation who have seen it and they were scared. It was like it scared me so bad.

17:54 But for our family being told about them, because it's it's I guess normal for our family to see them, to see lights, so it isn't a scary experience. And she would see I guess him hunching down just watching us. I can't say him or her, but because watching us as we do things, and us knowing they're there. But it's just it wasn't scary. How old were you, sorry, how old were you summer when that sighting happened?

18:34 The first one was six, and I can say that throughout the years, so as I grew up became older, we would see them. So I guess I would say, like in the falls of every year that I can remember, so. Okay, yeah. And and sometimes and this is crazy because I don't know if it's it's just our family, but sometimes our family would wake up and we would have sort of the same dream like oh yeah, I dreamed, uh. And it wouldn't be like rushing out and telling I dreamed her, But throughout the day or some you know, the other night, I dreamed about Bigfoot and we were walking along this creek and he was on the other side, just walking along with us. So it was And for myself, I had dreams also, and in my dreams, I would have the Bigfoot on the other it was either on the other side of the creek or like up in the Badlands there's a little plateaus, so they would they wouldn't be right beside us, but they'd like be across and it was like they would talk I guess telepathically, but

20:07 they would tell us like don't go over here or don't do this. And then the ones I would have would always be with one that would have like a little one with them, so and we wouldn't always talk about them in our family. We wouldn't like constantly tell each other this is going to happen or did you know? It was kind of like each experience that we had in our family. There are many of us in our family, I would say, about twelve, but we would keep it to ourselves until someone brought something up and they're, oh, yeah, I had that dream, or or if they were out doing something they would say, yep, I did I saw one over here or I felt one. So it in our family, it's just like a normal thing. I guess.

21:02 You would say, is there anything specific about your family that might might explain why they have that that that type of back and forth with the Satanka, Yeah. I would say, hmm. I can't really say, like it's this or that my mother she when she was born, and I think I'm not teacher about the research of it, but when she was born, she had like the veil over her head, and then she had mittens, you know, the I don't know what they call it, but it's like the they still had. She still had I don't know if you know, or maybe you can, but it's like a a thin lining or that would cover her.

22:10 My grandmother said that she looked like an astronaut when she came when she was born, because she had still a covering over her head and they called it a veil, and it was connected to around her shoulders and chest. But there was still fluid in that veil. And then her hands had like mittens. They said they were covered in this film. So I'm not too sure exactly what that went, like, what it was caused by or anything. So when she was born they had to take that and she had that. They put it in a bag.

22:53 They kept it for her for I think until she was about fourteen, and she said then it was lost. She couldn't find it anymore the little and by then she said it turned almost into powder. But when she was growing up, and this was pretty interesting because she would tell me, well, she was growing up. They lived in Wombli and this is the northern part of our reservation, and they had this was back in the I would say late fifties, early sixties, nineteen fifteen, nineteen sixty, and she would hear this tune, but she wouldn't tell or seeing the tune for us. She said, no, I can't share what the tune is because she said I can hear it, but I can't with us. She said I can't seeing it or I can't hulmet for some reason, but she said I can still hear it in my head, my memories. So she would hear this, and when she was younger, she said, I could helmet and I can hum the tune that she would hear, and when she would start humming at my grandmother would again would say, because see this is a part where I think it's

24:24 so normal in our home, our family. But she would start humming this tune my mother, and that my grandmother would say, oh waalahi hu ninka, She like, are they coming again? So she my mother would and they spoke Lakota, so she would answer huh, which was yes. So my grandmother would make like a little lunch for my mother, because she said she knew that she wouldn't be here or come back for a bit, that she would be visiting with them. So my mother would take her lunch with her and they would meet. She at that time, they had like these combines and they would go there, and she said that they were like really white beings and they had really she said, she said, really white hair, and they looked like people. But she said they had a little larger eyes and they wouldn't move their mouths.

25:32 But she said they would talk to her. They would call her by her name, and when she was younger, it was Teresa, so they would talk to her as Teresa, and they would walk along and they would ask her questions about what is this, and she would and they would ask her to reply in la coota what it was not English? So then she and she said, the crazy thing is is that when they spoke, she said she doesn't know how she understood them, because she said it would just be in her her mind the questions they were asking. So she would be with them and then they would tell her that they needed to go home now, and so she would have I mean, well, they were she was visiting with them, she'd eat her lunch, but they wouldn't eat. And so it's kind of like, I guess, things intertwining with each other. And my mother growing up, my grandmother and my grandfather on my mother's side would just like he would nod and yes, they're here, Yes, that happens. And it wouldn't be like, oh my, gotcha.

26:52 It's just like a normal thing. That is absolutely fascinating. I'm trying to wrap my mind around it. So do you think then your mother had experiences meeting with Satanka or you know, thinking of that description, it almost sounds like, I mean, could be some kind of alien or I don't know. It's just such a fascinating description of what she experienced. Yes, and growing as she grew up, she grew older, and then she started learning about people having alien abduction experiences and all this. She said, you know, maybe that's what they were, But to her, they were friends. To her, they were beings that just came and they would talk with her. They would ask with questions, and she would ask them. She would try to find out where they came from, but they would they wouldn't tell her where they coming.

28:05 Did your family have a certain role within the tribe. I would say no, not really, because my grandmother, her grandfather was umm was one of the survivors of the Battle of a Little Bighorn and also one of the survivors of the battle here at Wounded Knee. I don't know if you're very familiar with them, but he was one of the survivors. So it isn't like he would go off learn of these things and come back like go somewhere and they would talk about aliens and bigfoot openly to him, and he would he had these experiences, and he wouldn't really talk to anybody, but he would talk to my grandmother because he felt that connection with her, and then my mother would. My grandmother would talk with my mother and a few of her sons about what was going on and what was happening. So our family would always experience lights, we would have bigfoot encounters. I mean it was again, I would say, for our family, it's a it was a normal.

29:33 Thing, right. Okay, So you have experienced telepathic communication yourself with the Satanka, Is that correct? Yes? Through the dreams I would. Have Okay, can you remember when that started? Was there something going on? Maybe an interaction. Do you think that kicked that off? Sometimes people will have a you know, an experience, a certain experience or go to a certain area, and then they'll start having dreams like this. You think there could be any anything that started causing this or any thoughts about that.

30:15 Mm because growing up, it wasn't like taught taught to us or the use experience will happen or sort of subliminally or or given that thought, so then we become we start having that thought. It was the adults would talk with adults and the children would be with the children. So it wasn't the like the adults telling us this will happen to you or this is going to happen to you. All of us would have our own experiences.

30:56 And I think what we would go into the creeks where we lived when growing up, maybe about half a mile away there was a big creek. There is a creek going through tall trees, dead trees falling over the creek, so we could go across them. I mean, all of us children would just go out and play. At that time, it was so safe to just go like six or seven of us and play in the creek and not worry about anything else, and then we would come home and during those times, all of us would just kind of like stop and we'd all look at the same direction but not really know why, and then we would start playing again. And after those times, then I recall that I would have a dream and that dream would just tell me where to be safe, to watch out this part of the creek or I mean, and not knowing exactly why. And I would later on tell my mom and she said, well, you better listen to your dream.

32:12 Don't go in that area. So we wouldn't or I wouldn't go in that area, so it I guess it wasn't a you're how would you say? The adults wouldn't push it on us that we would have these experiences. They would keep those experiences they had amongst themselves to not influence I guess us as children that this is going to happen to you. Until we would start telling them about our dreams and they would say, oh, and it wasn't like oh my gosh, or what are you talking about. It was just oh, kind of like an accepting it's starting with you now type of I guess a response that.

33:08 Is that is really fascinating. Do you have. So the interesting thing is that even in I would say cultures outside of like the Lakota, people are starting to have and I guess have for a while, are starting to have dreams like this and communication and telepathic communication. Do you have any advice for individuals that are starting to have those type of communications. I'm not sure if I would say advice, but it's just like accepting except what the messages. Don't try to go deeper than what the telling you, because then you start to doubt. I think, in my opinion that when they tell you a message like me growing up telling me not don't come over in this area in that creek, and I see it, and it would be a bigfoot with a smaller bigfoot like a child telling me that you shouldn't go in this area. Don't come and play in this area. It's not safe in me not knowing that area or going there prior to playing there or

34:39 exploring down there. So it would be don't try to make it more than what they're telling you. If they're telling you to just be safe whatever you're doing, then take that and tell yourself or just be safe if you face value, yes, and don't try to go deeper and analyze it more and more, because then that message they told you well isn't worth what they told you. Sure sure.

35:20 Can summer. Can you think of any other times where you've had an interaction or sighting of some kind with Satanka over the years. There is one and I and I did write to you about it. We went up and further back into our area here and it's called towards Grass Creek and it's in middle of like Oklala in Manderson area. If you look on a map, there's like Oklala is southern I guess southern would be, and then Manderson there's an area that's sort of had like bluffs, these pieces of earth that have come up like a butte, single buttes.

36:08 So we were back there, and this was maybe about when I was nine, maybe I think I might have. I don't know if I dated it. But we were back there and again we were gathering, we were looking for turn ups, and we do this as a family. It isn't just like one or two of us, like maybe about seven, seven to ten of us, and it's usually just our families. So we were doing this and suddenly I can't remember who it was, but told us, Oh, look, there's a why would someone put up a circus tent out here? And we're like circus tent? And me I didn't was like, oh, circus tint because being a child getting excited. We all gathered and we looked and there was this multi colored it did look like a circus tant, just rotating. And this was maybe about a mile I'm not too sure length wise, but to me there was this.

37:23 We were up on this hill you go into the ravine and then there was a small hill and then another hill. So maybe I would say maybe about a mile from where we were a mile or so, No, that would big too, I'd say about three miles thinking about it, about three miles from us. But it was big enough for us to see the colors there was and I remember red, yellow, blue, and they would be rotating and it was really shiny, and outside of it it looked like there was a person standing outside it, kind of like looking around and just looking. And just about then, my grandmother's a say in Lacota, it would be there they are and she would say that, and we looked and it was like in our brains it was like oh, and it wasn't like a oh no, we're I think it was like, oh, so we watched it.

38:32 So we watched it, and we were this person or this being outside. Then it turned and it looked at us. And when it turned and looked at us, I don't remember anything after that. I only remember driving. We were all in the our vehicle and we were going home. Was it when I remember? So it's there's a lot of I guess for us, lights, beings, bigfoot all interact in our family's life. It isn't just one thing. And I can't say that going back culturally, that it's a thing that happens. I think it has to be an individual experience or family experience like ours and my and oh and another. My uncle would come down from Canada, he was raised in British Columbia, and he would come down and he would he would do the same thing, and he would refer to them as brothers or grandfathers.

39:48 And it was crazy because he said he would learn, he learned that you do these offerings for them where he was in Canada and British Columbia, and when he would come down here he would we would and it wasn't like, oh, did you see your big vote or anything. It was, it would come into play. I guess as we as everyone spoke in their offerings, and they would do the same with the match, the unlit match. So it was I mean, I don't know how to describe that. It was normal, normal for everyone. For our family, it was normal. It was part of I guess our lives.

40:39 Yeah, do you do you think those encounters and experiences are still happening in your family today? I do. I do think they are still happening. Is just because of now everyone sort of I saw a bigot and sort of making it into a joke and that they don't really share anymore. I know my last time I ever like I saw him or her face right in front of me right And this was back when nineteen ninety one, and it was here in Pine Ridge and we were crossing. I was driving to a church function. It was kind of evening, and I had this feeling. But the crazy thing was was this time this feeling I had was sort of an eerie feeling.

41:47 So I kind of slowed down. I was looking around because if you look on a map toward of Pine Ridge, there's this certain road towards the high school we called just the high school. It's Pine High School. But there's a row of cottonwood that were planted along this road, and there's a and back then there were more. But this being came out and it just looked at I was in the car. It was a smaller car, like a Toyota, a small car, and it just looked at me. And I just had this really eerie, like I don't want to be here feeling, as opposed to usually they're like, oh, like a hi, how are you as I'm going by, But this was like ah, And I just sped up and I laughed, and as I looked in my rear room mirror, it walked across like one two steps and it went into the the other side of the road.

42:49 But that one just stuck with me, that feeling. It was a different feeling. So I'm not too sure exactly what that meant, what it if anything. I don't remember anything horrible happening afterwards or are, but it was just that one moment that just and it just didn't feel right as the normal the usual encounters. This one just didn't feel didn't feel right. Do you remember anything about the way it looked. It was more sleek and that's one of the things that made me think about it. Was it really him or was it something else? And it was just more sleek and darker. And they don't have like the the big you don't have the gorilla type of face they describe.

43:53 Usually when we see them, they're more gentle faced. And I guess I don't know how you would say how you would describe more gentle based more not so I don't know how you would say that, or how I could describe that as the normal when we would see them as more gentle and this one that I saw was sleek, looked meaner, and it just didn't feel right. That's all I can say it.

44:34 It didn't feel great, okay, And ever since then, like so, there's been no communication at all since that time. Dreams, dreams, and when we go out into the care the crazy thing is is growing up, growing my children up. I didn't really express to them what I had experienced or what was their grandmother or it was just okay, if they have an experience, they'll have an experience and then we can help them type of thing, and we would go out again, because that's what we did during this late summer and fall aways go pick things, herbs, the little fruits and the to dry them for the winter, and they had their they would have these feelings. They said, I had this feeling I was being watched. Mom. Then I said, well, was it scary or was it the No, I just thought that behind that tree there was someone watching me. So I said, oh, and I would just ask did it scare you? What do you think would happen?

45:54 And they said nothing, just like there was someone there. So, I mean, it was so with my children, it isn't a scary thing. It's just like, oh okay, and not me influencing them. Either, right right, it would excuse me, it would make me. I'm trying to think of, you know, being a parent in that situation. I think, I think it would make me feel good that my children are experiencing the same thing. But I did not influence them to experience it. You know, I think that would be pretty cool. Exactly because you just want you want it to be individualized.

46:36 I guess to make sure that it is true to them. And my parents didn't influence me either, so it's it was a I mean, I guess, how would you say that be a more of a spiritual maybe experience. Than more more spiritual personal experience. Yes, Summer, it is really a fascinating story when you step back and you look at the entire picture and you see that you know, really it is a almost a circular, a circular repeating experience that keeps happening through these generations of this one family in the the Oglala tribe. And just thank you so much for sharing that with us those that have an outsider's view. And I think there are many different things that people can take away from from this conversation.

47:37 But you know, before we do we do go, I want to make sure that you were able to share everything that you had wanted to share on the show today about you know, your experiences or thoughts about them. I do believe that in our tribe we do believe in beings other than ourselves. And I know that there are other people in our tribe who have also had experiences, and some do have have made a YouTube channel, but really haven't come across with like solid evidence of a siding or so. It makes me wonder if like the Bigfoot really want to be seen by them, or if there was a bluke knowing me, knowing how my experiences are and it's just I guess, a way of opening up your mind and your feelings towards them. And for me, they're more of a kindred, more of a family than of oh, like making them different, and that's learning from family experiences from past, and I guess that was how

49:14 I would say it just for our family. For my family, it's more they're more kindred. And it's crazy because my husband we don't talk about these things constantly. And one day we were talking and he was coming up from New Mexico and there's this pass that they were going through, and he said, there was a car on the side of the road and they were pointing towards the like the I guess the lower part of the mountains. There's this what they call them where you can park on the side of the road. I forget what the name is.

49:58 But there was a car standing in the he said. The man was kind of like waving his hands and pointing towards the trees. So he slowed down and he just as they were going through, he said, he slowed down just to make sure they were okay. And where they were pointing, he looked and he said there was a Bigfoot just walking, like the lower part was walking through daytime, just walking and this man was like, there it is, there it is. And they just watched him and he said he just went behind a tree and that was and he was gone. So he's had one or two experiences of his own seeing Bigfoot, and he said he just had that feeling, not a scared feeling, but like a wow, I'm kind of not a like oh my gosh, I should have ad my camera. I think it's just he has watched him and he said that they're such awesome beings.

51:08 I think what it comes down to, this is something I'm learning myself, is but just from the people I talk to, the people that have a certain type of experience, they seem to have gone from having a spirit of fear to a spirit of awe or respect and just being present. So I think I think there is something to that making sure you're in the right mindset and the right intention when you are having or maybe even trying to have interactions. Make sure you're doing it for the right reason exactly.

51:52 And I think that if you look for it constantly, you're wanting to see it. You're wanting to see it. Sometimes you don't because I think that they can feel, you know how babies and animals can feel your vibe, your intention. I think that sometimes they can feel that and they don't show themselves to certain people. And is my feeling because I didn't grow afraid of them. I just grew up knowing that they're there. They're part of this world, and they have their ways of doing things and we have ours. So it's just learning to live with each other. For some reason, I don't know.

52:42 I think that is a great way to say, you know, learning to live with each other. And now who knows what the future will bring with things, but yeah, we would definitely need to learn how to live with each other for sure. But some are thank you for coming on the show and for sharing what you've learned over the years, and it's it's very special that we're able to hear you, know, your your voice and viewpoint, and thank you for teaching us that. But I do also and I'll probably edit this out a little bit. Are there ways that people can reach out to you or is just a deal where you know you've agreed to come on the show and to share and we'll leave things at that.

53:31 Well, if they'd like to reach out. I don't know I should I give like an email or head this up to you. Well, yeah, I can be emailed at fox Billy f O x b E l l Y dot Gypsy g y P s Y dot moon m O N at gmail dot com. Fantastic. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show today, Summer. It has been a pleasure talking to you today.

54:12 Same here. I have followed you for a while and I just had the notion to like, you know, I need to share what I've gone through and what my family has gone through, and not in a horrible way, but just this is what our family. This is like a generational thing and it isn't bad. I mean, I guess have. You ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity around Oakridge, Oregon? And you think to yourself, man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it for myself. Well guess what this year you can If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth through the eleventh.

55:00 Six It's gonna be even better than the previous year's. Reason number one, I'll be one of the speakers. It's gonna be wild. I'll probably I'll say this, there may be stuff you haven't heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well, you just gotta be there. We'll leave at that. More about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can not only go to the festival, but you can also sign up for a track deep in the wild forest outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot Spots to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign up for this, and yes, this will also be filmed for the next chapter in his documentary series, which is Searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in a lifetime deal. It's just trust it's going to be a wild, wild experience. To get a ticket, head on over to Sasquatch Summerfest dot com and listeners can use the code b sp like Bigfoot Society podcast in order to get a two day pass for the price of a one day pass. So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so that you guys can can get

56:36 a little a little help with the cost there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope to see you at the booth in Oakridge this year. We can talk about your encounter. Was able to talk to so many people last year and the year before. It is an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it, and I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense, if you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told a soul, and if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

57:52 If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith, or if you work in the shadow, CIA, NSA or anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't, then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous. You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. The world needs to hear what you've been forced to carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story, We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to subscribe to the channel on YouTube, hit the bell so you don't miss the next episode, and share this with a friend who's into mysteries, monsters, or the unexplained. And if you're listening to us on Spotify or Apple podcast, please follow the show there and leave us a five star positive review because all that helps more people discover the show. And remember, if you or someone you know has had a Bigfoot sighting, please I'd love to hear from you, so email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com and let's start the conversation. If you haven't gotten a chance yet, check out our membership community over at www dot Bigfoot Society podcast dot com and that's where you can hear tomorrow's episode today early in ad free and members only episodes

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