Living With Bigfoot in Rural Arkansas | Footprints, Sightings, and Ongoing Activity

0:00 You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, Big the Society, Welcome back to another episode. We've got the privilege of talking to Ray and Lisa today down there in the great state of Arkansas. Ray is a former police officer, police detective, and former marine Thank you for your Servicer. And Lisa is retired the housewife and author of the book Once Upon a Time in prim Arkansas, my journal on Bigfoot, and I'll have the links to that in the show notes.

1:02 And you guys are on here to share what has been going on with your property in the last few years and things as recent as last night. So welcome to the show. Guys, how's it going good? Thanks for having us absolutely. Also, I think it might be important to point out we got we got some off screen friends with us. We got six six dogs in the background, which are which are awesome. So if anyone hears any scuffland, that's all we got going on there. And they sound like they're some cool dogs. So yeah, that's what they're doing. That's perfect, perfect. Well, guys, where do we want to start with this? I'm going to let you guys take over from here. So in June of we live like way out in the Boonies and we have about three acres of land.

1:49 About an acre of it is our fenced backyard where our dogs stay, and then another two acres generally is what we call the holler. We just the first we moved out here in twenty twenty two, and the first summer we were here, we mowed it down, you know, because it's our property and we didn't have any didn't have anything going on then. And then the uh, I believe the summer of twenty three, we let it grow grow back because we just didn't want to deal with it anymore. You know, Whant I damage my mower or any we didn't bushog it anymore, what they call it. But we didn't have anything until June of twenty twenty four, and that's when we really let it grow in and we started feeding the deer out there, because everybody around here hunts and we don't, so it's more like a refuge for the for the deer. And you know, we had a bunch of times where you know, you'd be out on the back we have a back porch where we sit, and you know, you just get this this weird smell. It was like it's like like a cross between a rotting carcass and a skunk and a dead animal.

3:03 But you know there's no vultures, you know, it just and then from time to time. I think the first time we heard like these screams from like our back collar and there's there's nobody that lives around us, I mean just nobody. I mean we're like half a mile from from the nearest person and they're not out that way that towards the left of us. And you know, it wasn't like it wasn't a bird. It wasn't it wasn't a coyote. We know what coyote? You sound like it wasn't It wasn't a bear. It was just a weird like scream. It was a couple two three times and we got a little, you know, got a little nervous, not gonna lie. And that started June second, twenty twenty four, and then June and July we started to hear more of the same thing. When we go out back, more of the screams. Uh, you'd hear some wood knocks. And I don't mean like a wooder, because I know what a woodpecker sounds like. We got them in our trees, but it was like out in the out in the back forty where there's just nothing out there. I mean there's trees and that's it. I mean, if you walk straight from our house, straight through our property, you're not going to hit another property until you cross down through the valley up and over, probably a couple four or five miles away. So we started to hear that stuff.

4:29 The big thing for me that really started it was January, actually January twelfth of twenty twenty five. We had just gotten a big snow. We got about eight inches and normally I when I was going to go feed the deer, and normally I take my more out there, because's fifty pounds bag of deer. For now, they're like walking, but it's snow so I couldn't do that. So I. Went out there feed the deer and as I'm walking back, just beyond our fence line, I see the It looks like a footprint, I mean, and it's big. I mean, I have pictures of it. It's in Lisa's book. And nobody goes on our property. I mean just it's gated in.

5:12 And it was just like, okay, wow, now that's that's not normal. So I took a couple of pictures, sent him to my brother because he's a he's a hunter. He knows pretty much everything there is, and he goes, I have no idea what that is. Send him to a couple of neighbors that are hunters. Yep, they had absolutely no idea what it was. You know it it wasn't a bootprint. I don't know how degregated it was, dude. It wasn't that bad off because it had just snowed, so it was a pretty accurate print. There was a couple more around there, but that was the first time that I had really outside of the screams and the smell. The smell. That's the first real physical evidence that I had seen up to that point.

5:57 How long would you estimate that that footprint was. Twelve or thirteen inches? I mean, yeah, it was. It was. It was big. I mean, even with me wearing boots, I wouldn't have made that print. And it was like it was like one there was like a couple prints. It was like one that I could really take a good picture of. The other one was kind of it was kind of half washed away. And then there was no more because we're back up to like basically the brush area, so I couldn't tell where they'd come in and where they'd gone out, but I darn sure wasn't about to go back out through the bush. I mean you could see where there's deer trails and stuff like that, so it was pretty big. If it was something small, like I said, I saw it right away. There was like nothing else around it. It was just it was just very weird that it was out there, and it was right behind right like right against our fence line, and there were some broken tree brand is out there too, So but I was more concerned with the uh. I was more concerned with the what do you call it the footprint. There was another incident later that month where we we left to go out, uh we whether go into the town to do some chores or whatever, just get some groceries, whatever, and we have our trash cans that are out front. They're plastic, they have ovalds, you know,

7:28 the standard ones. And when we came back the trash can, one of them had been flipped over with the dome lid on it. So that's something you would actually have to pick it up, turn it over, place it down, balance it, and then walk away. It's not like the wind could have done that. If the wind was that strong that we just knocked it over, that was there was no There was no shoe marks on it from a bear or anything like that. None of our I mean we even checked with our neighbors, but nobody's like a practical joker like that. It was far enough away too. Yeah, it was just really weird that something like that had happened. I don't know. And it's on concrete, so I couldn't couldn't look for any prints or anything. So I mean, I wish I could have one that.

8:15 Back in January, when he found the first set of footprints I had. You know, we had contacted the neighbor, some of the neighbors, and the one neighbor had told us that while her husband was hunting, he also found footprints just like we did, but he didn't take pictures of him, and he agreed that they were too big for a human and the gate in between steps was way too large. Then a few days after that, she contacted me with pictures from another neighbor way behind us, and he has a farm and he had footprints up to his barn. Area. It travels in this area. I think we have plenty of water source, we have definitely plenty of food source, and definitely area sport to hide, so it's the perfect area.

9:06 I did take the footprints and I had them sent to a couple professionals in the field, and it was three different professionals, and they all separately came back with juvenile but juvenile bigfoot footprints were the cause of those prints. From there, we also contacted the BRFO Bigfoot Research Observatory, So they came out and they did a very lengthy investigation over months and they found some hair samples. He came out, We explained everything that was going on, he went back put a not a camera but like an audio recorder back there, and then we went and checked our back fence line where Lisa had seen the first time she had seen a creature out there, and he found a lot of hairs that he couldn't couldn't identify in in the in the the fence line. We actually took a couple gave him to him. He I don't know, I don't know if he ever analyzed them or whatever. But it wasn't deer, and it was higher up to where it's a bob wire fence. It's a three strand bob wire fence. So it's not a dog because it's just it's it's too high up. Not I don't think it was a deer, and we don't generally we don't have bears around here.

10:30 So well, he took a couple of samples, I know, he said, one came back I believe the mountain lion, and one was too deteriorated. They couldn't tell what it was. It was unidentifiable, so they couldn't tell. And he found trails where they laid. Yeah, yeah, there was a lot of a lot of trails back there where they were going the second. The second time Lisa, I believe it was the second time she saw the creature. She was out back and she came in and I mean, it's scared or so much it made a cry, so I you know, I I grabbed my shotgun. I went, I went. I didn't go through my backyard. I went around the side gate and I went back there, and I mean I could smell that smell again, and I could hear something in. I mean, it couldn't have been more than ten fifteen feet away, but the brush is just so thick you can't see anything.

11:24 And it was just one of those you could just I knew something was there and I could hear it moving, but and I could see the It wasn't a deer. It wasn't anything like that. I mean, it was just one of those you know, you get the hair on the back of your scalp standing up if it's a deer. I don't it's not going to bother me. But it was just one of those there. I was like, well, I think retreat's probably the better part of valor at this point. That was a really scary dog. Sorry, no, no, something else anyways, So that was like one of the parts that we had, we had really gotten that I had first started, and now I haven't. I haven't seen it for some strange reason. I'm the only person that has this.

12:05 Everybody's seen it but him. Yeah, it's killing me when you say everyone has seen it by him. So how many people have had sightings on your property? Myself and I believe five or six others. Oh wow, Yeah, we brought him out chiming. What the spirits came out? That's another drunken cub as. They came out together. And uh. First, uh, the first time I saw the creature was back in March. I was sitting in the living room. It was like early in the morning, and I was playing with the puppy and I looked out and I noticed something really dark and it caught my attention so that I went up to the window and right straight back in the haller there at our neighbor's property is an old, abandoned building.

12:48 It's kind of like a barn. I saw this tall, hairy figure. I could see him, well, see it from the waist up. It was dark brown, it was harry had a cone head, and I was just like totally shocked, and it just stood there and it took one step and it was completely out of sight. It was just gone. And that was the first time I saw it. The second time all once with that, I think it was April. First time was March. Second time was April. I was sitting on the back porch playing with the dogs and I looked to the haller to the left and I saw him completely standing there. I saw a complete profile of it. It was at least seven eight feet tall, dark brown in color. When it started to walk, its gate of his legs and its arms were just so wide and so amazing. It was thin. It wasn't like fatter, think it was like a baseball player body muscular but not fat. And it would take me four steps easily to get one step that that creature did. And it just calmly walked down towards the pond area on our neighbor's property, like and I was screaming at that time, because that's the time. It was like I can see it all the way. The other thing, I couldn't see where its feet except for when it was walking, and it was just amazing, and it was calm and peaceful, and it just walked off like nothing, totally ignored my screaming because I was so caught off guard, and I

14:21 remember just being so overwhelmed that I started crying because it just it's just so much for your brain to take in, because this is something I didn't believe in. You know, it's something you know, it's fairy tales. It's like leprechauns and unicorns. Yeah, it's a good story, like Godzilla in the movies, but come on, it doesn't exist. So having to everything that we went through and taking it all in and realizing there's actually really a creature or creatures out there, and that was the second time. The third time was around the same area. I was out in the back with dogs and it was I believe some mark because it must have been eating berries because we have big berry patches back there, and it must have been sitting down to eat berries and it just popped up, stood there and walked away like it was nothing. And I'm just sitting there in total shock.

15:19 Then we had Matt and Jacob from Drunken Cryptis. We were in contact with him about this situation and they wanted to do, you know, an investigation, so we allowed them and they came up and him and my husband and Jacob and and Matt went through the whole area and part of another person's property. They found footprints, so they took casts of them. That's what I believe. They found the knuckle print, which was really cool. Yeah you found that. Yeah, it's you could you could see where somebody had like it was on It was on the like a bax or the front side or backside of a tree stump where the knuckles had just indented. It wasn't like deer trail or anything like that. This wasn't on our property.

16:09 It was one of our neighbors that let us go out there, so they did. They did some uh, they took some pictures of that. They got what do you call it plaster, a cast of it. So that was another part we during that investigation. And when they came out the second time, we went really deeper into our property than you know, than we normally do, and along the back fence line, which is right around the area that Lisa saw the creature. A couple of times, there was a not you don't want to call a trail, but you could tell where something had gone down into a I guess like a little holler area and where they were. There was an area where they was flattened out and you could and they were eating the berries because, like you said, we have berries all along our fence line back there. It got a little bit too thick where we couldn't go down, and there was there was another section just on the other side of the fence where I could go further. But it's not my property, and wasn't you know, I wasn't in charge of the expedition, so I had to listen and come back. Said yeah, they said no, So I mean, you could tell where the deer go, but then you could tell where there's something a little bit bigger. It's just not that, you know, I know what deer trails look like. We got them all the time. So the second time they came out, they came out with a lot more of night vision equipment, thermal stuff all that that night, we heard a lot

17:39 of knocks, We heard a lot of a lot of growls, you know. We I mean, we went into our neighbor's property a lot more than we did because he's got a he's he's got like deer trails that go over there too. And will you tell them about what you guys saw that night because I. Was, well, he's tell about the bones. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I forgot about that. So we're going down to the it's like a it's not. It's a trail that leads to a deer stand. My neighbor is a deer stand, and up in on the branch of a tree where which was like way harder than I mean, I could barely reach it and I'm five nine and extended like that, somebody had placed the vertebrae of a small carcass or animal up there. Now it wasn't my neighbor because I checked with him and he's not going to do that. It's just it was one of those things where it's like, you know, you actually have to put that up there physically, it was I don't, I don't know what to say. That was just kind of creepy. We also found when we went back there, little hides or nests where you could tell they were building something. A couple of times, and you could find we found like some prints around there, but they were kind of degradated, and when we went near one, we could hear something out past where we were. It was like a growl, and we kind of backed off at that point we found where there was a lot of saplings that were like bent over, broken not by the wind,

19:10 and they weren't dead. I mean you're probably talking two inch saplings, maybe two two and a half. It's not something that I can break on my own. That was that part of that investigation. Like I said, we covered a lot of ground and probably took us a couple three, four or five hours that night to do all that stuff. And then you tell them about what y'all saw. Yeah, well, some of the Matt and one of the other gentlemen, they well, they were out in the woods. They were being flanked by one of them, and Matt kept saying they were playing peek a boo with him and he could see the eye shine And they have one I don't remember it was a video or picture where one of the gentlemen was where they were talking and was looking out and to decide you could see the shape of one of them, So he has that.

20:01 When a couple other ones said they had some kind of observation and contact with them, well, they were in the back. It was myself, Liz, Miss Liz, and Larry. We were in the front. He was Larry was running all the all the tech stuff, and Liz and I we were just chatting away, talking and we were sitting there and all of a sudden, this very big gray masks start coming towards us from it must have come out where you guys had just left. It started coming towards us, and I turned to Miss Liz and Larry said, do you see what I'm seeing? Because I wanted to confirm if they were seeing this big gray mask that I did, and they both saw it as well, and it was kind of weird. It started walking and it got to our big foot sign we have a big one in the yard, and it stopped and it just started like going like this way and back and forth, really weird. And Larry called them on the walkie talkie and I remember you and Jacob. Jacob came running up.

21:08 And as soon as we heard their their I guess your keys and stuff and your gun shaking from them running, it was gone. It was just where did it go? It was gone? But all three of us saw it, and it was about eight foot tall easily. And that night they heard the hoops and the hollers, and I mean, there's a weird bird sound they make as well. I mean, it's very distinctive of sound that they're making because it's nothing that's normal to Arkansas. It's like a tropical bird. I can't even describe it. I was gonna, can you try to imitate it at all?

21:48 It's just it's too weird. It's too weird. But it's funny because anyone who's heard it will stop dead in their tracks. It's like, that's not right, that's not normal, and it's like, well, yeah, that's that's them. I mean we have times, you know, when they're there because it gets dead silent. The frog stop, the crickets stop, the bird stop. There is no noise whatsoever. I mean, it is dead, dead, silent. Yeah, that night when we went out back there, when she saw that was in the summer. It was June or July. And in the summer out here, everything's going, crickets, oh yeah, chikatas, birds, everything's going. But there are, like I said, there was a few times when it's just nothing.

22:35 It's just and all of a sudden, dead silent. So that to me, that's like a there's a predator out there. And we've had very very few mountain lion sightings out here, very few what we've had to do is install basically lighting along our fence line to keep, you know, keep them out of the backyard. So it's we have some along our south, our sidelin side fence. Over here, we've got some on the side of the house. We had the electric company come out and install like a giant stadium spotlight that points toward our house, not out to the field, because I don't want to like get them going.

23:18 And we have like a giant work light that we normally turn on at night. It shines out into our yard, so that kind of keeps I guess, I guess you want to say it keeps them at bay. What happened actually last night was that I forgot to turn the light on and Lisa ended up seeing a big gray form out just on the other side of our fence where our dogs went. So I went out there this morning and I saw a couple of tracks. Had to put the lights up for our own protection because for a while they would come up and bang the house. That's really scary, and in the beginning I was I'm not gonna lie scared to death horror. I didn't know what to do. Reached out to every expert out there, anyone who knew anything about bigfoot. I went on these platforms everywhere asking questions, how do we protect ourself?

24:09 What do we do? We started with a few lights. That was okay. We decided we were just going to protect the perimeter of our house where we mainly go and the holler we would lead to them. We figured, we give them the holler, that's their space, go for it. We're not going to bother you, but keep out of our private space. That's all we asked for in return, you know, to coexist. Right, we haven't seen it just started up again because it's January. Well we haven't. You know, this is a lot. This is about the time it started last year. They didn't. They didn't come around during November December because obviously it's deer seasons and we have we have a lot of Christmas lights up in the front, I mean like a bunch, so they probably didn't like that. But those are all down now and deer seasons over, so the deer are coming back to our propit. We're starting to feed him again.

25:01 So the print this morning was it was fourteen fifteen inches long, so it's like it's in the same spot where it's actually gosh, I say, within five feet of the spot where I took the first print from last year. I mean right in the same area. So it's you know, we expect it to start kicking up because it's been a mile winter. They've been yelling a lot lately. Yeah, it's been real mild. We haven't had we've had a dusting of snow, but it's been in the fifties sixties for a couple of weeks now so, and the deer back, you know, so it's going to start kicking up again. And the thing is, we know there's more than one. There's got to be at least three that I know.

25:44 I know there's two brown ones and there's the gray one. And sometimes when we're because we sit out in the porch all summer long, every day after his work, we go out there and we sit in the dog's play. It's our family time. And sometimes I'll go out during the day and sit out there with the dogs. And sometimes you can hear them and they're doing the yelling, but you'll hear one yell to the left, and then you'll hear one yell way from the right somewhere, and it gets closer and closer and closer. It's like they're yelling at each other to find each other in the area. And that happens a lot. And sometimes when I was on the porch, especially in the summer, they'll make a noise like a whistle, and they'll try to get my attention.

26:30 And I'm not really good at whistling, and sometimes when I do get a whistle out, occasionally they'll whistle right back, which is kind of cool. They got a bit playful after the investigation, and I think what we learned to do. We put up all the lights around the house. I mean, we've got tons of lights. If the lights go out, they'll come up to the house, there's no doubt about it, like they did yesterday, even with the other lights. But we keep our windows and doors closed and curtains closed. We don't if they don't see in the house, you know, they don't get as curious. But in the summer, of course, want to leave a window open and get some air and a little bit of light. I can't take it.

27:14 So in the bedroom when he's like doing work or watching his sports and stuff, I'll be in the bedroom and stuff like that. And I've had it on several occasions where they'll go from the fence and throw rocks at my window, just small pebbles to get my attention, especially after I turn off the TV, which so it's kind of like are they watching the TV when I have it on? Because so if I turn it off and go to bed, all of a sudden, you got these pebbles hit in the window. And the first time I told Ray he went the next day and look there were footprints right where on the other side of heads where the pebbles were coming from. And one time I remember the pebbles were thrown and I looked out the window and I saw the head of one of them.

28:01 You can see that they have like a conish head. It's got that point and the fur you could see it in our feds is six foot high on that side and it's all wooden on that side, and you could still see the head. So that one was got to have been one of the juniors, probably about seven feet tall. Yeah, I mean, you know, we try to live in peace with them. You know, I'm not going to don't start one won't be none, but it has, you know, I mean, anywhere we go we have I. Mean I have to carry it, Harry, just for safety. Yes, so we go to my backwood workshop, got to carry one. If I go out to free the deer, got to carry one. I've gotten used to it. It's just they follow you to the workshop. Because we had from the house to the workshop. What's that distance about, I don't know.

28:45 Thirty thirty yards. Thirty yards, okay about thirty yards. But we have the house, the fence from the house, then we have the woods, and you can be walking to the shed or to the workshop and you can hear them in the woods. You can fill the heavy footsteps, you can hear the twigs breaking, and you can pretty much hear them breathing, and you can tell they're just like walking side by side with you. But they're far enough in the woods where you can't see them, but you know they're there. Especially in the in the summertime. People just gets overgrown and nobody you know it's it's overgrown because nobody's doing nature just to go overall.

29:26 Yeah, we believe and live and let live and give back. We look at it this way, if they leave us alone, we'll leave them alone. We've only let the Bigfoot Research Organization come out and then Matt and their crew and that's all we've allowed on the property because we want to keep them just sorry, we want to keep them as peaceful as possible, because we don't want to antagonize in any way. Yeah, and I think that's really smart, and I would say hopefully you continue to do that too, just especially in the type of situation you're at, as you said, where it's very like it seems to be controlled, but you get the wrong person in there and like, all right, let's rive it up and then okay, see you later.

30:14 And you don't want that. You don't want that. We've had a lot of people in our town and the town next door with also similar issue, similar sightings. There was a family they had built a house on a road about a mile away from us, and the sun was looking out at their back creek and he noticed a big dark figure in the creek and all of a sudden it stood up. He described exactly what I saw, same same size, same shape, same color, you know, and that boy was of course taken totally off guard. We have the farmer. We have another person. He has a big lot where he's near creek where they've had experience with big with big rocks being thrown at them as the creatures didn't want them at the creek. Some people have the big, big hides on their property. I mean they seem to frequent. We must be this corridor for them that they frequent through. I mean, there's a person that lives behind us, and I guess thirty years ago she had an experience with them, and there's just so many people that have had the same experience. So from what I can gather from where the people are, they're coming from behind us, passing through our yard, going through several pastures and farms and woodlands, so they're they're

31:44 traveling quite a bit, but it seems to be a normal path for them. Yeah, we have a we have a water source back on the other side of our property. It's not on ours. So they have a water source, they have food supply, deer berry berries. Place is to hide. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's real thick back there. There's part of my property I can't even get to ye and super tall. Yeah. I mean, you you really have made if you think about it, you've made an incredible sanctuary for them, especially if they're so prevalent in the area and now there's this large area where you guys own where there's tons of deer berries, water source, and they don't have to worry about people messing with them. It's just it is really a perfect scenario for that.

32:35 Now. It makes it definitely interesting for you living on it. For sure. We're the only ones that don't hunt. Yep, that's huge. Everybody else except for us. What is the weirdest thing that's happened on your property that you don't think is Bigfoot related? That silly fairy ring thing. Oh, the ferry ring? Yeah, okay, they found that the same day of the investigation. It was huge. Yeah, we were We walked over to our This was right around dusk, so it wasn't dark when we left, so you probably in the summertime, you got to put it around maybe eight eight thirty eight. Maybe we went out, did the did the we have to walk by my workshop, and we went out and did the investigation down down the trailhead and came back after dark and we're shining just shine a light looking for anything, and there was a ferry ring just like it had been there the entire time. And I know it wasn't there when I know it wasn't when I first walked by it just it couldn't have been. You know, I would had never.

33:51 Heard of them before. Yeah, I had no idea what it was. It's just a circle in the grass. Yea. He was probably six seven foot round. Maybe it was like a perfect circle. It's not like I had a barrel there or a giant there that I moved. I don't have anything like that. And it was just a perfect circle right in the grassy area, right next to uh, right next to my it was like in between a workshop and a tree. It's just weird. It was there the next day and then it was gone the day after, like it had never been there. I mean, that's the weirdest non big foot thing. I mean, because I mean Matt had his theories, but I didn't understand them, and it's like whatever, you know.

34:36 It was just I know what, I know how they grow. I read all about that, but it just doesn't pop up out of nowhere and then disappear. I mean that was really weird. Yeah, that was kind of weird. Has anything out of the ordinary happened inside the house or the workshop during this time or is it all outside? I don't think anything's happening. Yeah, yeah, cool. Have any. Out of place objects or things been found around the house or the workshop outside? Things have been moved, I mean, the trash cans were removed.

35:17 Some of the ornaments in the we have in the yard. Yard ornaments were moved. Some were even knocked down. Remember, yeah, the chimes. They don't like. They don't like the chimes I put these. Yeah, you don't like it. I had a big giant wood one that I was I decided not to put out back because I just didn't want them. But there we have. I think we had like four or five along the fence line and I got them. I got them in there good. I mean, like the wind's not pulling them down way up, yeah, and way up. And I don't know, I've been out there a couple of times. They've just been pulled down. They don't like them because we tried cameras, but they'll avoid them, you know, they know to go around them. They're they're really I mean. It was funny because we put up a barrier and we noticed right where we had first installed just motion lights. Behind the motion lights, all the tree limbs were broken behind every of our emotion lights and they were literally broken. So it looks it was like they were making a boundary where they knew, Okay, if we go here, we're going to turn on those motion lights. We can't go past this area.

36:26 Yeah. I've actually heard that from at least one or two other situations over the last few years, and that is very smart when they do that. I've also heard a thing where if you've got like lights pointed out near your house, sometimes they'll like they'll they'll either break the light bulb or they'll they'll push the light up so that it's out of the way. It was weird because and I still think we had a big light on our back where workshop, and it worked for years, and when this activity started and it got picked up, all of a sudden, it just doesn't work anymore. We try to put a new ball, bin just absolutely will not work. It just absolutely just it's gone.

37:14 It's done, which is weird because you know, I don't know if that's coincidence or whatever, but it just seems a little ironic. So he had to put lights by hand underneath so we could light up the area, because if the area isn't lit, they're going to come to it because then there's no boundary. Like last night. We had the lights around, but we forgot the back porch, and that's a very very bright light, and that one does kind of go out towards the haller the rest shoot in, and that's the only one that shoots out, and the area that would have shot out at is where they were last night. Because we used to have the lights on a timer, but the timer broke and we try to replace it and for some reason it's not working, so we have to remember to turn it on.

38:02 And we're human. He thought I turned it on. I thought he turned it on. You know, we didn't, and of course something happens. Because I think they're very intelligent creatures. I think they're very curious creatures. I don't think they mean any harm because they've never hurt our dogs now the only time they did. I don't know if you want to say a harm a dog, but we're unkind to a dog. We have neighbors and they have two dogs and they run around, they hunt. They're pound dogs, and of course they love deer and we have tons of deer in a holler. So they come over and they're annoying. Not to be rude, they're barking, they're barking and barking. And one day I was I think I was just standing out back with the dogs and they were barking at Daisy and Rose, and all of a sudden, the dog, Daisy, she's a little chubby thing, she came literally like something had catapulded her out of the She was thrown like five feet in the air and she went at least eight feet in distance, and she luckily landed on her legs and she was a little bit like what the heck, and then she ran off and she didn't come back for months. I personally think the thing for her out because it was annoyed at her because she just wouldn't stop, and they are annoying, but it was just I just saw her like fly in the air, which dogs don't fly in the air. And there's no way that dog could have ever jumped that

39:32 high or that distance on its own. There's just absolutely no way. That's a lucky dog. Yeah, but our dogs dog sometimes if there we used to have more dogs, but recently we lost three. But at one point we had nine dogs. And sometimes they'll go out there and bark and we'll know there's something there. But sometimes they'll go out there and bark and then get dead still and not move, and they'll rush back to the poor and they'll hide on the porch and they'll bang and bang on the door till we let him in. I mean, it's like you let us in now, god forbid, or we're going to break through the glass. So the dogs are always a telltale sign when they're around.

40:13 Yeah, especially in the summertime and the dead silence. Oh my goodness. Yeah, there's so much going on. So you have, you have photo evidence of tracks and the track casting from Matt and Jacob. It sounds like has there been anything else captured, such as audio recordings or anything like that. The one gentleman, the first gentleman that came out, he took about two hundred hours of audio, but he hasn't gotten back to us yet. He said, he's got to filter a lot of it out, which I understand. But yes, it did a while. I mean, yes, he said.

40:55 The first he said, when he first started listening to some of the tape, the first thing he heard was where the camera was something really heavy and he said, super heavy was walking by. That wasn't Whenever I would go out there. I would just he said, you know, if you're gonna go out there and let the camera know, so anytime I go out there, say hey, I'm coming by, So that way he would know if he heard something that was me. I think that. I mean there, I think Matt, they got something on there. I think he told you a couple months ago there. I can't remember what he got. They got some image off of the infrared that they couldn't identify. I don't I haven't seen him since then, so I don't know.

41:37 Okay, gotcha. And then they had the one picture where the one guy was looking or video and off to the side you could see the dark shape I know. And then there was supposed to be something else, but I don't know what it was. Yeah, they're supposed to come back out in the spring. But yeah, Wow, do you feel that you have ever been, let's see, physically affected because of their presence in any way? I mean, in the beginning, it was overwhelming and undescribable because you have so much fear and you don't understand, and just to try to reach out to talk to people is very hard to do. And we got people make fun of us, you know, because if you don't believe, you're just gonna and look, we weren't believers before, or you were, Okay, well I wasn't, but you know, but until it happens to you, it's easy for people to judge and to find help for something like that is hard because there's not many people out there, and a lot of people will have a one time experience and it's over and done. We're living with it, you know, pretty much on a daily basis. It's we never now.

42:59 We can't tell you they're gonna be here tomorrow at six pm or you know, it happens. I mean sometimes it's a couple of weeks. Sometimes it's day after day after day after day. I mean, it just depends. They do what they want when they want, and I think they know that on our property, we're going to leave them alone. We're going to leave them safe. If they stay in the one area, we have no problems. Do whatever you want. As long as you don't cross that light line that we have at night, we have no problem. Now you cross that light line, then we have a problem because then you're on our personal state space. And then that's saying, hey, you know, we know where we're not supposed to be.

43:39 The closest thing I can. And I've heard them scream a few times, not like she has, but the closest thing I guess I can that I've ever heard to it is. And I'm just referencing because what I know. Have you ever seen I'm sure you've seen the movie Legend of Boggie Creek. Okay, so in like the one of the beginning scenes where he's running through the through the outdoors and he hears it that scream, that's what it sounds like, and it was and that you know, that's far Arkansas. I mean, fox is a chunk away, but it's sort of like that sound that that's I'm not saying it's exactly that, but that's what it reminded me of because I know that I've seen the movie one hundred times and it's just like, okay, that sort of sounds like it. You just have to adjust your way of life, that's all to me.

44:29 It sounds like a Godzilla sound. It's so deep and so loud and so long. I mean, a man can't scream that loud. We know it's not we know it's not a coyote. We know it's not a bear. We know it's not a wild hog. I mean, I've gone through every kind of creature and I've listened to every creature. There is an existence that we can find and nothing matches up to it. Nothing. To ask a question in a different way, has anything happened on the property, either outside the house or inside the house that most people would consider to be more related to the paranormal, anything like lights or voices that like, all of a sudden, I heard raised voice that.

45:18 That that that conversation is a whole other. Figured it was. You don't want to get on that count. You'll be here for two hours with her, Okay, So there is stuff going on. Yeah, Look, paranormal has been in my life, my entire life. I've been able to hear and see ghosts and that's just been my life. For thirty years, I was a demonologist and I went all over the place helping people take care of their issues demonic or otherwise, you know. But I retired and after strokes, you know, my brain doesn't function like it used too. But yeah, I still hear them and I still see them, but that's just for me, my normal life, So I keep them separated.

46:10 You'll wake up in the middle of the night and you'll hear either like old like twenties thirties music, or like a ballgame. Yeah, like a ballgame. And the harder you try to listen to it, the further away further it gets away, and then it'll come back, and then you know, it's like old school recording. It's just it's not it's not on TV. It's just every now and then you'll hear that in the middle of the night and you'll be like, it's like if you had an old transistor radio back in the seventies and they were playing stuff on it. We hear that. And chatter. You can hear it. You can hear talking, but you can't make out what they're saying. You can hear the. Chatter all the time. But that's really interesting, so kind of like, is it like mumbling or when you say chatter? Have you heard the Sierra sounds? Is it like that or is it just hard to describe?

47:00 Well, you hear the you got ghost chattering sometimes in the house, but outside you've got them chattering back and forth. I did have one experience which really freaked me out, and I even asked neighbor for kids. I was out, I think in the front yard, just sitting there watching the squirrels, and I heard children playing, but it was it was a weird sound of children playing. It just it was really off and it didn't make sense because right now there's no children around, and it just really bothered me. And it was right there and it's like, there's no children around. So I remember asking my neighbor. I emailed her. He said, Hey, was your son out playing with a little girl? You know, yesterday at such and such a time. Oh no, no, not at all.

47:46 He wasn't out playing. And there's still a distance away, and it's like, well, there's no other kids around. Where did this odd children playing sound come from? And it was like the girl's laugh was just I can't describe it. It was just so off and so strange. It just it. It was bizarre and it made it just made the hair on the back of your head stand up. And to this day, I don't know if it was the creature's doing it or what I mean, there were no kids around. Neighbors confirmed their kids weren't around. It was just myself who was doing that. It sounds two kids were playing and laughing. And it just there's no one there to prove there's no one. There was no one there.

48:37 Okay, so yeah, I mean after knowing the whole, uh your background like that, it definitely it puts a whole different spin on it. But it doesn't make a lot of sense because for so long you were bringing stuff. You know, yeah, you're helping, but you're bringing stuff in. And it's like, even though we retire, and I think I'm going to have to deal with this too in about twenty years or whatever, like I'm going to retire, but it's not just. Going to go away. It doesn't just going to It doesn't. It doesn't. I mean, look, I have some attachments that I keep with me that I brought with me, but they're my normal attachments. But you're just a vessel. They attract regardless even if you retire, it doesn't stop them from coming. They come. But it seems I have a habit of attracting a lot of.

49:32 Things, right, Yeah, I totally get that. Do you feel like there's ever been any communication between either of you and the bigfoot that are in the woods, And that can be a very broad question. You know, I talk to them occasionally, you know, because we were told. I was told to talk to them and let them them hey, look, this is our space, this is your space. And the whistling back and forth, I really think that's can communication. I think the pebbles throwing at my window when they know I'm there is communication. When Ray was out of town, they knew he wasn't home, they felt real comfortable being really loud and really obnoxious because they knew it was just me and Ray wasn't there.

50:19 And I don't carry a gun. I'm not intimidating in any way. I'm just a little old lady, and they know that I'm a no threat to them whatsoever. I mean absolutely none. Where Ray. He's physically fit, he's a male, he can carry a gun. He has more of a defense against them. I think they're playing with Ray because he's one of the only people in the property that haven't seen them, and I really think they're messing with him. They get where he's almost but he does it. It's kind of like a game with him. I swear it's like a game of peekin' boo, come and get us, because I know after they did the second second investigation, they start kind of like trying to pull you out of the house to go into the woods. They were trying to get him out there. They kept coming up to the fence and banging and hitting it and stuff like that, and it was like they were enticing him to come outside and go in the woods and look for him. I think they enjoyed that kind of cat and mouse thing when the investigation was going on, with all those men in the woods. I mean, that's just an opinion, yeah, but it does.

51:33 It does make sense though, for sure. Have you had any Have you ever approached your local law enforcement regarding this or no. No, because it's not a police matter. Somebody trespassing, no waste our time. We went to the Bigfoot Research Organization. We tried the other one. I can't remember the name. Oh no, that's yeah, the area. Yeah, that's what it's called. Sorry, that's the name of them. It was. It was a b r F O that didn't come out. It was no whak that did come out because they just never answered us when we called the b RFO. They they're the ones that never replied or anything. So it was no whack.

52:23 I'm sorry. They're the one North American what a conservatory. Gotcha, okay that I had a sorry, I get it, so B F R O didn't didn't show and n A W A C. Where I'm so sorry, and they they actually put it on their website as one of they deemed one of their sites. So it's it's listed in there under Arkansas. That's awesome, Wow, wild wild stuff. My goodness. You probably will have to write a second book. I'm guessing the. First book is only a journal of what we were actually going through and how we dealt with it and just the stuff that was going on is you know, it was just these are the facts, this is what happened.

53:10 You know, make your own decision, you know. But I wanted it because people kept asking questions, and they a lot of people, well what do you do? How do you take care of it? How do you protect yourself? So I tried to explain them how the stages are, what we did to protect ourselves, what we went through. Originally, you know, I tried to I know, someone's going to be in our shoes someday, so I wanted them to say, Okay, this is what we went through. I'm sure these are pretty similar to what they're going through. And maybe it will help them and give them some guidance on Okay, this is what I need to do to protect myself. I'm not alone, I'm not crazy, you know it just I just wanted to just give a little help out there because there's so many people that have the same questions that I did, and there's nowhere to go to really find it.

53:59 Yeah, I definitely know what you're talking about. I man, this is such a unique situation. I think this is probably going to be one of the ones that people, you know, it always seems like we talk about situations that happened about twenty thirty years ago, and I think in the future this is going to be one of those that is going to be talked about and we have no idea what's going to happen tomorrow on this property or the day after. I mean, just the stuff that's already happened is wild. You're handling it the right way. I think I get upset when he puts down his guard that because it's like you just don't know, you know. I always tell him, every time you go out, take a gun, and there's times he doesn't take a gun.

54:40 Then he wonders why I'm cranky and mad at and I was like, well, you just never know. But we've gotten to the point where I guess we're kind of comfortable knowing they're here. But it's been it's been two years now. This didn't happen overnight. I mean it was fear for the longest time, and anguish and not sleeping and not eating because of the worry. Are they going to attack our house? Are they going to attack us? What are they going to do? There were so many unanswered questions and not many people could help, so getting answers is very, very difficult. So I started reaching out to you know, sites and stuff like asking questions. Sometimes people were really cool and helpful, and other times people cruel nasty. Mean, you know, it's like, look, if you don't believe, then don't be on this site. Yeah, well insill people. People are actually reaching out for help and assistance.

55:40 Yeah, some groups out there on Facebook are terrible. I'll just say that. So when it comes to helping people, they don't. Based on what you have seen and what you've experienced over the last few years, how would you describe what bigfoot is? And specifically, I know some people are more like, well, it's some undiscovered great ape out there or is it maybe something closer to a human relative that we just haven't gotten in contact with. What do you think? Oh, I mean, look, I haven't seen it, so I don't know, right, I mean, based on what you're telling me, I would guess it's I mean, I don't think it's anything. Obviously, it's not mythological, it's not chromagnum or anything like that.

56:35 I think it's it's probably Yeah, Honestly, I think it's just something we've never seen before. I think it's it's something where it evolved to where it has intelligence, yeah, and defensive postures that we haven't seen, like a you know, lizards can change colors and you know, and other things can do certain I just think it's one of those things where it's developed those those measures that we It just makes us real hard, you know, almost impossible to see them finding them. You know that I don't know, because there I guess from if one of them died out here, you would never know. I mean the country is just so that it's not like these things are being seen in a city. They're all you know, it's it's out in the middle of nowhere. So when people say, well, you know, we've never found one, so it don't exist.

57:31 Think about it. I mean, I could bury one hundred dead bodies out there and no one will find them ever, because it's it's just out of the middle of nowhere. So I think it's something we just haven't seen that's evolved on its own to where it has its own set of defensive countermeasures. Is it as smart as a human I don't think so. I think it's smart though it's definitely hasn't. It's shown intelligent, it's shown in those boundaries. It's got its own language that we don't understand and we don't know. And and maybe it's something that it's out there that it just sounds like nature, that it could be their language, Like I just it would sound like a bird, but it's not a bird, it's them.

58:12 I'm guessing this is all look at the end of the day, bigfoot, it's all best guess at this point until somebody finds one. I think the personalities of a bigfoot totally very like a human being. I think some can be very aggressive if you come on their territory and they will first warn you with screaming and yelling, then they'll do the rock throwing and the log throwing and the sticks, and after that, if you don't leave, well then they're going to get aggressive. Then you got the ones here. They don't seem aggressive, but then again, I think they give as good as they get. Now on the same creatures on the one gentleman's property, he decided to shoot and put out bear traps. Okay, they're aggressive when they were on that property because the guy was being aggressive. So they get as good as they give. If you're going to go after them with guns and with bear traps, well they need to protect themselves and they know that you're a predator to them. So in return, I believe two of his dogs disappeared and he never found them again.

59:17 And I believe that was based on the aggression that he showed, shooting up you know, the field and the area they were in and putting out the bear traps and you know, trying to cause them harm. We're here, we're not offering any harm, and nor are many people around us. They're let live and let live. Did that what you were just referring to, Did that happen around your area too with the bear traps? Y? Yes? Really? Mile two, let me see two three miles three three at the most down the road. Yeah, but the gentleman was showing them aggression. I mean, I'm sorry. If someone shows me aggression, I'm going to show it back. And I I think they react like pretty much like human does. They have personalities like we do.

1:00:07 I believe the one we have as a family unit. I think there are three heroes. I know there are two dark ones that are juveniles, and the gray one I think is an older one. The older one is much taller. Geez, yesterday that time is at least eight feet in the air, so he's at least a little over eight feet and the juveniles are probably seven a little over seven feet. So I do believe they understand family unit and stuff like that. But you know, and like I said, I believe they're intelligent. I think they understand. I think they're curious of what we're doing as we're curious of them. You know, they don't trust us like we don't trust them. I think we've kind of I don't know if this makes any sense, have some kind of rapport with them, an understanding. Look, you can come in here, you stay in that area, we'll leave you alone.

1:01:01 You don't go in this area. We're cool. You know. We don't feed them. You know, we feed the deer in the deer feeder. They don't eat the deer food, but yeah, they do eat the deer and the berries are there's tons of them. They they're wild, so they have the berries to feed on, and they have the water source and the protection and the hiding and everything and no hunting. So we've actually, I guess, created the perfect storm for them in this area, so they feel that they're safe to hang out here whenever they want. And when I have seen them, they've never run, They've just walked. But their walk is just so wide gated that you know they're out of site very quickly because their walk is just so enormous. I mean, I would take me four steps, just do one of their steps, and I'd be like a big step for me because they just their leg and their arm gate is just so wide. But the ones I've seen, they're like whatever and just what about their day.

1:02:07 It's such such a fascinating account. Guys. Thank you for sharing what you are going through. I appreciate you trusting me with your story for the show. It is extremely interesting. It's a great case study on living with Bigfoot in a current day. I want to make sure that you were able to share everything that you had wanted to share about your story today. I think so. Yeah, there's a lot of it. Yeah, absolutely. Just a reminder here at the end if you want to read Lisa's collection, as she was referring to the just the link for her book and that's on Amazon, right Lisa, Yes, yeah, so you can get that Once upon a Time in prim Arkansas, my journal on Bigfoot, So go ahead, definitely check that out to get it's It's always interesting when you when you read an account and you listen to an account, so you're probably going to learn more about it if you read the actual book as well, so I'd recommend checking it out.

1:03:21 It's it's very it's a very interesting read. But thank you again guys for coming on the show. You know, I'd love to hear from you in the future if things continue to happen. But thanks again for spending some of your time with me today. Thank you. Have you ever heard all the accounts of Bigfoot activity around Oakridge, Oregon and you think to yourself, man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it. For myself. Well, guess what this year you can If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up tenth through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's gonna be even better than the previous year's reason number one, I'll be one of the speakers.

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1:05:42 I hope to see you at the booth in Oakridge this year. We can talk about your encounter. Was able to talk to so many people last year and the year before. It is an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it, and I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a National Park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about, and if you're a firefighter paramedic or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.

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