McKenzie Sasquatch and Bigfoot vs. the Dog! | Oregon | Archives

0:00 You're listening to Big Flat Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, pick for Society. We got the privilege of talking to Brad today. He's a listener from Oregon that reached out with some really interesting things that he's experienced over the years. Brad, I'm so glad you reached out and I'm excited to talk to you tonight. How's it going, man.

0:46 Great, Jeremiah, thanks for having me on the show. Awesome. We talked a little bit in the pre interview and this is going to get pretty interesting. There's even some Oakradge Oregon related stuff for that I'm coming up. But Brad, I'm going to give it right over to you, and we'll get right into it tonight. All right, thank you very much, Jeremiah. I grew up in Eugene, Oregon, and I was an outdoorsy kind of kid. My grandparents lived on the Mackenzie River up near the town of Vida, and I spent all my childhood free time up there roaming the woods and the creeks in the hillsides. And grandparents are a little loosers, and the parents are about where the kid is, and so I'd had free range in the mountains. I never really thought about sasquatch or bigfoot at all growing up, and never really had anything happened to me that would make me think that there were any bigfoot around. But until I was about and see how old was, I was probably around fourteen years old. Fifteen years old. My grandma would drive me up these old logging roads with my bow, and I would hunt these logging roads my way and just wander my way back to her house down these logging roads. And there was a time she dropped me off and there about it's about a three or four mile walk back down to her house, and I was let out of the car and the birds were chirping,

2:17 and the squirrels were chattering at me, and I would usually sit and wait, sit in a little burrow ditch and wait for her car, so I couldn't hear a car anymore. And then I start walking down the logging road and never really planned on shooting a deer with a bow. It was more of just me being out in the woods. But anyway, I heard her car disappear out of range, out of my hearing, and all of a sudden, I just had this very strange sensation of being. It's like the forest just went silent, and I just got a really weird feeling. So I'm standing on the logging road looking down into the ravine below me, and these three gear come creeping up out of the ravine really low, really a strange movement, hunkered down and almost trying to crawl, and they were covered in sweat, totally ladded over, and their eyes were bulging out of their heads and they walked within. I could have reached out and hit one with touching with my arrow. They were so close and they could have cared less that I was there. I thought that was really weird. And so I'm looking down into the ravine where they came from, and a tree like it's just got cracked in half and was pushed over, and there was no wind, there was no reason for it to happen. It sounded like a healthy, live green fir tree just snapped in half.

3:45 And that was the first encounter. But again in the eighties, I wasn't a figure. It was definitely not on my mind. I just thought it was strange and wandered on back to my grandma's house. And then, let's see, there was another time. Don't want to back up the when I was a little. Younger before you do that. So I just want to clarify something. So you when you were looking down the ravine youse, like you heard that tree get cracked in half and pushed over. Yeah, I was dere walked by me. I couldn't figure out why they were. I've never seen deer behave like that. They were just it was almost like they're creeping past me with their and their eyes were bulghout and they looked if you see a horse, that's all that's been a run too hard. They just had this sheen of They looked terrified. And then this tree just goes crack and goes crashing down to the ground. Green, not punky, just a green, big fir tree. It sounded like a mature tree, and it didn't freak me out, but I just was odd, and so I high tail it. I just losed that to my grandma's house.

4:51 When you were out in the woods with your bow, did you ever hear any sounds out there that didn't fit with what should be out in the wood. The only times I ever did are there are those stories I'm going to tell you. Other than that, never, which is it's strange. I'd never it never crossed my mind. I was never no, no signs, or never even crossed my mind. I'll back up a little bit. I skipped this one. This has happened when I was ten years old on Lost Creek, at Lost Creek Campground. It's on the west side of Mount Hood in nineteen eighty. And I know the date exactly because the day after this event happened, Mount Saint Helens erupted. So May nineteen eighty it was when this happened, and I was camping with a family friend for the weekend. And again this I completely forgot about this until I heard somebody tell a similar story and It's funny how these things come back to you when you hear something. It just sparked this memory, and I was we were camping at this campground and it was a you plow your trailer in, and it was a pretty crowded campground. And there we had a camper, there's a tent, there's a cable set up, there was a fire pit, so it was a cramped little space.

6:12 And I'm it's night and my friend and I are sleeping in the tent and his parents are sleeping in the camper, and I'm laying there in bed. I don't know what time it was, ken between ten and midnight, probably because I wasn't asleep yet, and I heard what sounded like a deer bounding through the camp, bump bounding, and then it stopped right outside our tent. And we had a little cord that was a cold in the vestibule. We had it tied around a tree, and we just I kept hearing this dump. It was twaying in the cord, and I thought, oh, a deer must have jumped, jumped the cord or tripped into the cord or something, and then it thumped away. But what was weird is a few minutes later, I could thump came back and it did the same thing. It was twaying in the little cor that was holding the vestibule of the tent cup, probably two or three twangs like a guitar string, and then it stumped, dump, dumped away through camp. That was it.

7:11 So I wake up in the morning're like, gosh, did you guys hear that deer in camp last night? And no one they didn't hear anything. But then I started thinking this, there's no way a deer could have run through the camp because it's so there's coolers and there's stuff everywhere. Besides, it was finking that it was it would stomp, stumpap up to the camp stop and then the little cord would go blinging, blowing and librate the camp. So that happened. It did that two times, and that was and then the next morning. That morning we forgot all about it because Mount Saint Helens had erupted while we were having breakfast and we could hear the sonic boom and the ground shook, and we all knew what it was because you know, everyone in the Northwest was waiting for it to happen. So that sort of trump whatever happened to me that night, which I was pretty cool, and then there was ash all over our cars. The next day, it was cool. Let's see, I've got another I'll talk a little bit more about what happened upon the Mackensey River where I grew up. So let's see, this is a weird one. So the year was let's see, I wrote all this stuff, you know, nineteen. I was a junior in high school and my grandma was a really cool old lady, and all my high school friends would come up there and spend the night. She'd cooked for us and we'd fish and run around the forest and play in the yard. And she had about thirteen acres.

8:43 And one night we were out playing a game called kick the Can, which is like a hide and seek game where you put a can in the middle field and one person guards it. If someone gets tagged and you kick the can, the person who you tagged was free. We're all out. They're probably eight of us out playing this game, and I'm hiding in some ferns, and all of a sudden, a couple of the people who are in that there's two people who are it. They're out in the field going, they stop and they are staring up at the mountain side that's next to the property, and pretty soon all the rest of the kids come out and they're all looking up in the sky.

9:25 What the heck's going on? So I get out of my hiding spot and I joined them in the field and I look up and there are three green, bluish green I think there were bluish green balls of the light, about the size of beach balls, big kind of rubber beach balls you would see at like a music festival or something. And there was so if I'm looking straight across the property to the hillside is twelve o'clock. There was one at about nine o'clock that it was maybe three or four hundred ye yards away, not on our property, but the next piece of property in the above the forest. There there was one probably ten o'clock that was right above with this creek runs down into our property. And then there was one at about one o'clock, and they were just green or beech balls, just hovering in the sky, and we're all like, WHOA, what's going on?

10:26 What's that? We didn't know what they were. And the Rolodecks starts going over in your mind, is it a weather, believing it? What is it? And then it was none of that. It was just these balls of light and at the same time, so they were just stationary in the sky above the fir trees, and there were different elevations, so one was down on our across from us flat, probably twenty feet above the fir trees there, and the other one was another up the hillside. They were all the same distance of the fir trees, if that makes sense. And all of a sudden, at the very same time, they started descending into the trees, into the fir trees, and you could see all the boughs of the fir trees lighting up around them, and they just slowly went into the forest at the same time. It was really weird, and we freaked out and all went back inside and called it a night. So that was strange. So the next day, so if this is at the end of September, most of the kids left that next day and my buddy and I were going to go grouse something. We stayed, so we're like, let's go grouse something. And so there's an old logging road straight across from my grandma's place, and so we always hunt this logging road, and we'd hike a couple of miles up and there was this really neat kind of we're hunting in. I'd say it's second growth. So the trees were probably sixty or seventy years old and pretty mature forest. But there was a really cool spot that the loggers had left. They didn't cut,

12:01 maybe eight or nine acres with really beautiful old growth, and so we'd go hike to that spot, go leave our we'd always leave our guns outside that we never took anything in there, any guns or weapons, just because it was such as like a sort of a sacred place. It was really amazing. So we'd go and sit and does it. And then we'd hunt back down the road in my grandma's house, and there was a so between this neat, little old growth section and her house was a giant one of those big giant power lines that go across the state, those giant high tension power lines, and a little service road ran under it. And we'd always we'd go to the little old growth spot, come down and then turn down the little service road underneath the high tension power lines and eat a sandwich and drink something because it was in the sun, because when you're in the on these log roads and these big trees, it's like a tunnel and there's no direct sunlight. So we'd always go and get a little sunshine on our faces and have a sandwich and just sit and look out across the mountains. So we've done that, we're on our way back down and we're it gets this is where it gets pretty weird. And so let me see.

13:19 So I'm walking, we're walking down the road and we're about to turn turn right to go down this little service road, logging road to eat our sandwiches. And from the from our right side, probably twenty yards in the just off the edge of the logging road in the forest, we hear two whoops, yeah, you know, really loud, and before we can really acknowledge what we just heard, we both just stop and freeze, and this way to unbelievable fear that I can't really describe came over us. And it was like we walked into an invisible sort of bull of jelly. I couldn't move either, and my friend and this was the fear was I can't describe fear.

14:13 It's just unless it's happened to you. I think it's hard to explain. So the hoops happen, and then across the little service road there's another The forest continues, but it's the face of this forest is it gets a lot of sunlight. So there was scotch broom blackberries, so you couldn't really see into the little thicket of trees that was on the other side, and from that side, all of a sudden, and we're frozen and we can't move, and all of a sudden, I hear the sound. And I've gone online and listened to certain animals as I've heard people's accounts, and it sounded exactly like if you listen to what an alligator, a crocodile sounds like a vibrate.

15:00 I don't think they have vocal chords, but they make this weird vibrating noise. It sounded exactly like that at first, where just my eyes are bulging out of my head and the noise is just it's reverberating through this whole little landing that we're standing in. We can kind of at this point, I'm sort of like, oh God, I'm starting to maybe pivot around a little bit. I can my senses are coming back and We're talking back and forth, like what the heck's going on, And as we start to talk, that sound and it's inhaling and it's gets raspy inhale and just vibrating out this noise. It sounds like an alligator. And then it goes from that sound to and again I've listened. I've found these sounds online.

15:49 It sounded like a if you ever heard it, listen to a lion while I eats, like a big male lion eating kind of purrs and growled at the same time. So with inhale, you could hear inhaling is really raspy noise, and then when it would exhale, it would make this sort of purring growl like a lion. But it was really loud, and all I could think of was, thing's got to be the size of a rhinoceros, whatever's in there, And it was doing that. We would inhale and then exhale this purring, strange growl, and we're starting to freak out a little bit, obviously, and we're thinking to ourselves, right in the heck, we're going not a deer, not an elk, not a coolar, not a bear, and not a person in there trying to mess with us. But again I'm not thinking Bigfoot at all, which is weird because going up an Oregon you hear about bigfoot, but it just wasn't entering my mind. So we're standing there and I'd forgotten we even have guns because we're just so scared. So as we start to shift our bodies, this is maybe a minute or two was gone by since we heard those initial whoops, so it's going by pretty quick, and the mines. My mind's just racing, racing, trying to figure out what's happening. If we start to talk, what are we going to do? How are we going to get because we have to walk underneath the because the road cuts down below where this is happening in this little thicket of trees, and the trees are probably there.

17:20 It's a newer grove of fir trees, and the trees were probably thirty forty feet tall, but you couldn't see, Like I said, you couldn't really see in So we're like, oh, shoot, how are we going to get below? Get out of here because that thing is, whatever that thing is, it's mad. So as as we're shifting and we're starting to talk about what we're going to do. I'm like, we got we each have a twelve eight shotgun. We could fire over the trees, wait for it to run off, and then booky out of there. And the minute I started to put my gun to consider lifting it up and firing it, the place erupted. It went from this weird, hurrying growl to just this screaming roar of I can't again, I can't describe it. It was just blowing through our body, like blowing through our bodies, and the trees started to shake, and there was branches starting to snap, and I remember seeing two trees that were probably thirty five or forty feet tall next to each other, just shaken violently back and forth. I'm like, gosh, what the heck can be doing that? And then they went from back and forth to front back, completely different directions at the same time, like something was grabbing them with their hands and just shaking them back and forth. So we're terrified and we don't know what to do. I think I'm crying at this point, and just the cheer just poof overwhelmed. So screw it, we got to get out of here. So

18:50 we both agree we're going to shoot over this thing, over the trees, and then bolt underneath it. Hopefully it is the sound of our guns will scare it off. So yeah, we fire over the tree tops and we wait a second to see if you can hear whatever's in there take off. It didn't. It just what we thought was pretty much max. It just elevated even worse, and it was screaming and making those crazy songs, and so we heck with it. We got to go. So we bolted and a few hiked on logging roads. You know that the rocks, it's not a small little gravel, their big rocks, and it's hard to keep their balance.

19:31 And so I'm thinking the whole time is I'm going to wipe out, and this thing's going to jump down and grab me. Because we're I'm running as fast as I've ever had before. My heels were hit, my butt and I got a shotgun and hiking boots on, and I'm we're hauling down this road and as I'm running underneath, as we are, as we're running underneath where this thing is, I'm just thinking, this thing's gonna grab me. I'm dead. We're going to die. But for some reason, it never did. But the hair on my I could just feel it above me. I never saw it, but I could just tell that there was, and it was huffing and at disappointed, had stopped for all the ruckets and was just up there huffing and breathing really loudly. And I could just feel because I ran path ran underneath to sing, feel it above me, and I just thought I was going to reach down and grab me, but it never did.

20:23 And so I booked it to my grandma's house, which we had to cross the road and down her driveway is probably one hundred yards long to who her house was, and so we'd make it to the front yard and she's out in the yard. She must have heard the shots, and so she's out there. What's wrong? What's going on? I heard shots? She's a tough old lady, and like we told her what happened, and we're crying and we're freaked out, and she looked at us and says, we ran into a big foot, and we're We looked at each other and like, what for some reason, it's just still not sinking in. That's what it was. And we're like, what do you mean? We ran into a big foot? And she says, well, there's a pizza joint that's down the road from on the highway from her house that her and her friend would go to every Friday night and have her glass of wine and eat pizza.

21:13 And she was telling me that they told us that when she would go, her and her friend Ellen would go and have pizza and drink wine, the loggers would It was the loggers hang out back in the eighties. You know, the logging industry was very different back then. There's smaller operations and families and things. It was a lot different than it is now. But that's where all the loggers would go and on Friday night hang out. She said that she'd overhear the loggers talk about things like this happening to them in the forest. She said, I would hear a story after story of these sort of things happening, and hear them from these loggers who are out there doing it logging, and they're in the forest every day. That's it. And so the next day, so it didn't affect me the way I hear people talk about getting terrified of going back in the woods.

22:05 It was like it was erased from my mind. So the next day I'm up there and my friend had to leave, we had to go back to the Eugene, and so I stayed and I said, Grandma, I'm going to go and back up to where that happened and look around and see what I can see. Because I'm still thinking, for whatever reason, I couldn't get it into my head that it was a big foot or a sasquatch. I kept I'm going to go look for hoofs tracks. So I'm going to go look for claw marks in the tree, because that's what I thought it was. For some reason, I go up there. It's not very far away. It's probably less than a quarter of a mile from her house up this road, the logging road. So I go into this thicket where this had happened, and there's I'm I'm not I knew nothing about bigfoot tracks or what to look for in that regard. I'm just looking for hoof prints. I'm looking for scrapes from antlers, and I'm looking for claw marks, and there was none of that.

23:01 But what was weird is that when I got into the thicket, because it had snapped a bunch of fur boughs and there should have been broken boughs, you could see where they've been broken off the trees where they're thing. It snapped in fresh breaks, but there were zero. I couldn't find any fur boughs on the ground. They were gone. Something picked them up and take him away. And the ground was really beat down. It's a lot of fur needles and things where I couldn't make out any tracks. I didn't see any obviously cooked prints or clal marks in the tree. So that was it and I just forgot about it after that. That is an incredible account, even though there wasn't a visual.

23:44 That is a wild encounter. Do you think that pizza place is still there? I still go there. Yeah, is that Ike's pizza? It's Ike's pizza him? All right, we can cut that out if you want. No, that's find out. Yeah, Ikes pizza for sure. Yeah, I just I have a Google Maps up. The interesting thing I noticed is while you were telling that story, you were talking about how it was like alligators. How. Yeah. The weird thing is that the thing you were the thing you were describing, that's actually an infrasound thing. Oh it is if you look it up, like when they used as bellows. That's an infrasound. Oh, no way crazy. I didn't know, so you hit me. Yeah, yeah, that's weird because I heard someone mention it on a that that's what it sounded like to them, and I so I went and listened to it and say, whoa, that's exactly what it sounded like. And it just I don't know what infra sound does, but man, I was frozen.

24:47 We couldn't move. It was like I walk into the invisible force field exactly and was frozen in praise. It was so weird. I didn't feel sick, I never got knoshis or anything. I just couldn't move, and I was so scared that I was crying, and for no reason, because I don't think I think that the wave when we froze halfened before I even heard anything. I think I was frozen in place before I even started hearing that alligator type sound. That's wild. That element is enough for me to hearing. That's enough that you definitely experienced some crazy stuff in the woods that day, No question. It was bizarre. Yeah, it was weird. So to the end this part of the story. So I'd completely forgotten about this event. I was getting ready to graduate high school that next year, and I after I graduated high school, I'd moved to Idaho and became a ski bum for about a decade and spent all that time just in the mountain Idaho, exploring skiing, fishing, all types of all times of year, all seasons, and never even thought about sasquatch or bigfoot getting crossed my mind and my ski bumb career and the years about. It's about two thousand and two and I'm going to school in Boise at Boise State University do get my teaching certificate. And Boise is a really cool city. There's the river runs right through town, and on the south side of the river there's the college, and on the north side of the

26:18 river there are all these really pretty parks and concert little concert shells and things. And there's an old zoo, like an old one of the old school, small town depressing looking zoos. And so I would have to footbridge to get to the colleges right next to the zoo. So i think I'm a junior or something at this point, and I'm cruising on my bike and it's early in the morning, and I'm riding past the zoo and I hear these wops coming from the zoo I'm thirty one years old, and this happened. This event happened to me back when I was seventeen years old, and I just instantly froze on my bike and stopped and was just catapulted back to that discipline that I just told you about.

27:04 Like instantly, I could see the color of the rocks, I could see the shit shadows, every tiny detail just came floating back into me. When I heard these whoops coming from the zoo, it was really weird, and I had to go to class and the zoo hadn't opened yet, So I was like, I'm going once the zoo opens, I'm going over there and ask the szookeeper what the heck makes those noises. So I gave I go, hey, I don't I'm not I don't want to go through the zoo. I just want to know that I want to go to your primate area and will you show me. I've heard these really loud hoops this morning. He get what makes those noises? And he took me to the given cage and he goes, those are those are givens, and that's what you heard in the morning, and they were making a little bit of whooping sounds, but it was identical, a little higher pitch and obviously smaller lung capacity.

27:54 Bet it was the exact same sound that I'd heard in the forest. It was it froze me on my bike, like I stopped. I was oblivious to whatever was going on around me. I was just transported back to that gay in the forest. And up to that point, like I said, I hadn't never even crossed my mind until Mike heard those Givens coming from the zoo. I'm so glad that you said the little higher pitch because I personally have heard similar things and I was just thinking in my mind. I was like, it is very much the same, but it's a little lower. And when you said little higher pitch, I was like, yep, absolutely, one hundred percent, but the same kind of sound.

28:40 Just yeah, just a little higher pitch. But it was weird that would just that sound catapulted me back in times and every single Geekaill just became so vivid. It was bizarre. I'm a terrible memory. I can't remember anything. I don't know what I had for dinner last night, But how in the heck that could happen and then everything be so clear? It was just it was really strange, that's wild. I have a few questions before we leave this part. Did you ever ask your grandma if she had any bigfoot experiences when you were out there. With you know, I don't. I don't remember, but she never would have told me anyway. She was pretty sure she wouldn't because she wouldn't want to scare them from going back in the forest. Gotcha, it didn't slow me out of bed. I just kept going back out. Yeah, so I didn't ask.

29:28 I share with the members a little bit about upcoming episodes, and they're really interested to read about what you had sent over. And some of them had some bombers like, Hey, if you guys have questions for this INTERVIEWEE put them in the comments. So there's a few that are actually related to this part, I believe. Slaya asked, have these events have they affected your ability to be in the mountains in the woods at all? Or did it not affect you in a way where you're like, I'm never going in the woods again. It didn't, like I said, I forgot about it for some reason. It never weather. It never slowed me down to good like I moved to Idaho and was I spent I was out in the woods all the time. No, it never dared, gotcha, never had a negative effect. And even now I lived back in Oregon, we're out all the time. I'm aware and I'm very conscious of that, and I treat the forest a little differently, I think, in terms of how I approach it in a I'm a lot I have a lot more gratitude.

30:32 I absolutely Scott had some questions. They're interesting. So you alluded to how if you grow up in the Pacific Northwest you know about Bigfoot? Right, So his question is living in the Pacific Northwest, Bigfoot seems to be part of the culture. Were you a believer before your experiences and you had some really young age experiences. Yeah, but I'd never equated that the Bigfoot until I heard someone talk about it on the podcast, and then I was like, WHOA kind of like the bike thing at the zoo. It just triggered this event because if someone mentionally did it on their shirt on I was like, oh wow, that kind of happened to me. Yeah, I've had a hunt. It was real, you know. I'd seen the Roger Patterson film, and I think at that point though, when I was a kid. I felt like they just there was one of them, and that's where they lived down in California, and we joked we get a lot of camping, you know. We were always joking about it that I don't think anybody took it serious. For some at least that the people hin knew. And then there's a circle of friends I hung out with that point can but you hear about it that it just was never I don't know if we wanted it to be true because it would keep us from going out. Maybe we just turned it out. We camped in places where I hear about accounts the Coast range outs all over the place, and aside from these few events that I've had happened to me, for the amount of time I spent out there, these are very few.

31:56 There was also an interesting part where you were sharing about the lights coming down into the trees and you saw those large lights so. The rights, Yeah, that was really weird. There were three of them, and there was one that came down to our I guess that would be to the east, but it was maybe at the edge of our property, or maybe just passed the edge of our property. We had about thirteen meters and it just into the forest. And then there was one that there's a creek that runs through our property and it comes down the mountain across the road, and one of the lights went down and on the left side, to the east side of that drainage, and the other one came down basically right on top before this encounter happened. Oh really the next day, Yeah, so this the third light was the light came down into basically that because it was I'd Google Earth the distance and it was five hundred and twenty yards away as the crossbar, and it was basically just right on top before that happened. And I never crossed my mind until I never connected the two until I started hearing accounts with lights and and sasquatch being related. And I don't know whether or not this, but I never saw those lights and I never really had an account like that.

33:12 So are they connected? I don't know. That's pretty close to what is I think he was getting at Scott was getting at with his question perhaps relations to lights. Was it seem that he may believe that there are big paranormal ties or just a coincidence or just a lot of questions. Yeah, I don't know. I don't like the word paranormal. I just think it's nature that we don't know about. Love it. Yeah, I think it's beyond I think it just has been happening. I don't know if he's two or connected, but it just seemed weird that the light literally went into the forest where this occurred. And again I never made that connection until when I started listening to podcasts even that deal happening, and I'm like, oh, the light came down and there's something in there. It was the start oft thing from my mind, which is bizarre.

34:03 Now that I keep back, and what are the chances that you have this light coming down almost in the same area where you have this encounter, And it's like that, man, it's got to be connected somehow. But yeah, we just don't acknowledge. And that now having heard enough people being interviewed who have had similar things happen, people are so afraid. They're just say, you could I think that's probably connected. How could it not? Because I've never seen lights before that, and I never had an encounter quite in that spot, which is too much for coincidence. Any UFO activity ever in this area, not in that area. H huh. That's pretty fantastic. Feel free to continue. I know, I think we have a few other things to discuss as well.

34:47 I've got yeah, I've got a couple more on These are not related to this robbery on the Mackenzie either. More along of the Lamit Pass area, which is from Eugene it south, so you go through oakra and you'll end up at Crater Lake, and if you keep going south, you'll end up in Klamath Falls. But when I wasn't at up at the Mackenzie at my grandma's place, I was out. My dad loved to fly fish, and he got me into fly fishing when I was really young, and we would He had a spot up right in the town of oak Ridge where there's an old I don't know what's there now, but there was a rock corry in town and the river of the Wilammette River flowed through at the bottom of town and we would fish this rock cory and it was really excellent trout fishing.

35:35 And I was with my dad, I was probably twelve or thirteen years old, and we were up fishing the rock corry and we'd caught some fish and there was a little isolated pool of water up against the hillside that the fish couldn't get out of. So I didn't keep fish, or we didn't eat, and we'd let them go. We'd catch them release them. But I was young, and so I put them in this little pool of water and just watched them swim around. I was gonna let them go eventually, and my dad, hey, let's go up and around the corner and fish this riffle. And I'm like, all right, So we leave the fish. There's probably four or five fish a rainbow trout in this pool that's probably the size of a little plastic kiddie pool, but it's there's no way in or out. There's no way for the fish to get out. And if it was in the shade I put it. I made sure they were in the shade. The forest came down, and so the fish had some shade, and I was gonna let them go when we got back. So we go with fish and we come back and the fish are just completely gone. There's no sign that a bird had come and plucked them or anything. It was just really strange.

36:54 One minute the little pools full of fish, and the next minute they're gone. I don't know if that has anything to do with bigfoot. That it was really weird, and it was up against the hillside and it was just an odd to come back. And we both looked at you, like where'd they go? But there were no ravens around, There were no I don't know what could have came in took that many fish. So that's an interesting side note. And then I have one more And this happened at Murray Lake in nineteen eighty seven. I was a senior in high school and we were there were five of us and we're going to go Three of us were going to hike. We're going to camp at Murray Lake. And three of us were going to hike the south side of Diamond Peak and ski the snowfields up there and come back and camp, and the other two guys were going to hang out at the camp and fish. We leave the trailhead and we're hiking to the lake and we get maybe a mile and a half two miles into the hike, and we come to a lily. So this is all pine trees and it's high desert y mountains. It's not rush like it is on the on the mckensey, where there's ferns and big fir trees and sculpets are a bit different ecosystem.

38:09 So we're hiking through these dry pine this little dry pine forest, and we dip down into this space and that's maybe four or five, three or four acres. Then it's just but it's and it turns into a totally different clay ecosystem. It's there's ferns, there's cedar trees. It's just there. It's really beautiful. There's a little bog like a fresh water bog tipe spring coming out of the ground. It's beautiful. And as we're there's five of us and we're walking in and we're all thinking the same thing, Oh wow, we're going to explore this is really pretty. And the minute we all got to this the crown of this little the trail where we were going to drop down into the this area, this smell just wopped in on us, like I don't know, like really the dead, like skunt cabbage times ten with I don't know how to explain. This awful smell came out of nowhere, and we instantly all decided we're just gonna let's just keep going and keep walking, just not for us not to explore something that cool. At that age, you know, as a kid, it was bizarre that we all chose to keep going. And then the smell just instantly vanished as we left that spot. So we get to this lake and where we sad. Nothing happens, there's we just camp.

39:34 Everything's normal. So next morning, two of my buddies and I hike Diamond Peak and we can go and we're skiing and we make it back to camp and there's a note they tacked up and left. The other two guys split they were gonna fish while we speed, and we got back to camp and they'd left, and there was a note saying mosquitoes were too thick. So we left. So you're back in town. But the mosquitoes weren't that bad. It was weird. It's not like them to peel out of here, especially during the day when there's the bugs are not real buggy during the day, So I found whatever. So we camp and nothing really, nothing happens, And we get back to town the next day and when we run into our buddies, they're like, hey, it wasn't that buggy.

40:22 Why did you guys leave? And it took him a second and they looked at each other funny and said. The truth is, when we were fishing, we kept hearing noises coming out of the forest. We kept hearing sticks breaking, and we kept hearing strange, grunting noises. And we played it off as a bear at first and thought nothing of it. Thought we'll just go around the other side of the lake and fish. But they said it followed him around the lake. They could hear it chasing him in the forest and was making these weird noises at him. And that's all I got from them, They said. So we got back to camp and just felt really easy and decide we'd told you that it was too buggy, and we split. We got out of there and we were scared. And that's that's that story.

41:08 What year was that around? That was night? That was nineteen Here I wrote it down the Diamond Peak nineteen eighty seven. Okay. Interesting, There is a report on the BFRO from Diamond Peak Wilderness area where three hunters were out there. They hear a very loud scream thirty to forty five seconds. There are reported things from that area, at least one report that's public, But that whole area, from what it sounds like is there's activity all over the place. Yeah, it's it's it is very The problem what's happened in the last handful of years is forest fires that ravaged some of these places where I'm telling you about this place on the mckensee through maybe twenty twenty just it got that whole alley got wiped out by forest fire.

42:03 The hill side and all these things happened to me on it's gone now it's burnt. Oh wow, it's depressing. It's really sad. So yeah, I don't know. It's coming back a little bit. There's some greenery growing, but the big fur I don't know how long it's going to be until the fir trees come back. There's some maples growing and things like that, and some ferns, but it got cooked pretty good. I think that's about all I got. Oh there's a couple other things if you want to hear about. This happened in twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen. I think somewhere in there. Like I said, I lived in Idaho. I moved to Idaho in nineteen eighty nine and came back in twenty twelve, and we moved back to Central Oregon. But we still have the property on the Mackenzie and I still have it today. I spent a lot of time over there. But so in twenty seventeen or eighteen, it was Thanksgiving around Thanksgiving and I was out and this happened a couple of nights in a row. It was really bizarre. I'm out in the yard.

43:11 It gets dark real early, so maybe five or six in the evening, but it's pretty it's dark, and it's pouring down rained and rained the lot over there, and I don't know what I'm outside doing, using them, going to the bathroom or something. And I hear what sounds like up and it's like I had said, there's a creek that runs through our property and it drains out on this hillside across the road. And I heard what sounded like the truck breaks screeching down like like it sound like they're wet and screeching down a road, just this weird, metallic, grindy sound coming from where there was no roads at all. It was just a ravine with a creek in it, and it was really loud and freaky.

43:57 It was just like what the heck? But it sounded just like metal on metal breaks. And I heard it maybe two or three nights in a row, and then on that same time for a maybe a day or two later, and my neighbor comes over and he's maybe a couple of one hundred yards down the river from me, and he's like, man, I was in my house and I started hearing these owls coming from your property, like huge owls, giant owls coming from your property. So I went outside and I was listening, and I could hear them. They sounded like owls, but it was like they're huge and the way too, but they sounded like owls, but they didn't sound like owls because then they were huge.

44:41 And I kept so I started walking towards your property, and that sound kept going on, but it kept moving away. So the closer I'd get, the further it would they would move off, until it sounded like they were in the forest on the east side of your house, and they just they just vanished the noise, which I again, at that time Bigfoot. I had not ever heard a big Foot podcast, and I just thought that was weird. Fame with the break screaching thing. Now, knowing what I know because of not being listened to these podcasts, it's like, huh, you hear about al and you hear about these weird sounds. I thought I'd add that to some of the things that I've experienced.

45:23 That's probably that's some of the weirdest things. And this is back in twenty seventeen. You said, Yeah, seventeen or eighteen, I can't remember. In November, so you still own that property? Oh yeah, I'm there all the time. Oh okay, And I'm a school teacher, so I get it. I spend my whole summer over there. Nice anything weird sound like that sound wise happened lately or just the last time was back in seventeen or. Eighteen, that was it. Yeah. And then, like I said, in twenty twenty, the fires put through there, and yeah, took everything out. But I did set up a game cam before, and I wouldn't get anything. I got tugers and bears and deer and turkeys.

46:04 That was it. But yeah, it was It sounded like breaks screeching down coming down the creek pad basically when there was no road. It was bizarre. And then I had never heard the owls, but my neighbors said it freaked them out. He said you could hear him over his TV one hundred yards down river from me. So he's an older city guy, so he didn't know what to make of it. I definitely feel like there's some sort of memicry that's involved. You hear things like what you mentioned. You also hear things like car doors slamming where there's no cars, or rusty gates is one that's just it's very strange.

46:47 Yeah, the rusty metal, that's what it sounded like, rusty metal and it's bizarre, and it was it was loud. It was just right across the road for me up on the villa. And then there are a couple of logging roads up there, but this is nowhere near one of the roads. Maybe just coming out of the forest. Which knows. You've definitely had some really interesting things happen over your life so far, and thank you so much for sharing with myself and the listeners. And it's amazing you still have that property area up there. Anything else happens, definitely feel free to reach out. I will indeed. Yeah, thank you for having me on the show. I appreciate your time and I'd love listening to your podcast.

47:32 Do you think you might make it down to Oakridge this summer coming up? I'll have to look at my schedule. Yeah, i'd like to. I've never been to one of these before. And my twelve year old son is heavy into the whole Sasquatch things, so I might bring him over and check it out, maybe camp or something. It's going to be a hop and time. If he's in the Bigfoot, there's gonna be people there that it's the time that they're in Oregon. They probably won't be there again. But man, I know we make it over to Cliff's museum once a year, little pilgrimage, So we'll go and we'll go and get a little place in the forest and go squatching and go conk to Cliff a little bit.

48:12 So that's pretty fun. How cool is that? Man? Yeah, and those flips I heard, And he's got that giant fastquatching his museum, yep, and he's got to cook up some sound hooked up doing. That's what those whips sound exactly like what he's got going on in mring Sasquatch. I love it. Yeah, to get over there myself one day, for sure, but it's cool. Yeah, he keeps adding to it, so we keep going back. Absolutely. Brad, Thank you so much for hanging out and hope to maybe hear from you again someday in the future. NB. Jeremiah, thank you so much. Hello, Hi, this is Jeremiah. Hey Jeremiah. How you doing.

48:54 I'm doing great? You had called earlier, right. Sir, Yes, sir, I love the message. Perfect, perfect, and I assume since you have the phone number, you've done the forum at an earlier time, Yes, sir, perfect. And what's your name, sir? My name is Mark. Awesome, Well, Mark, I was my last dame. Nah. No, we'll just keep it, okay, but I appreciate that. So I was skimming through your skimming through your voicemail, and it's very interesting and I'm going to go ahead and give the reins over to you, Mark, and feel free to share what we've got going on. All I ask is that we keep the calls as clean language as we can since it is live.

49:37 Thank you. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I do that. Yeah, no problem. Okay, go right ahead, sir. All right. Yeah. My name is Mark and I'm from Oregon, foreign to organ and I've been in Oregon now for twelve years. And I'm originally from Ohio. Matter of fact, uh right there in angel Ohio where sought forth is State Park where the Grassman is had an the counter there. I didn't really see him there, but I knew he was there. And I, me and my girlfriend went camping and it was in uh the end of October, and in the October, we have Indians somewhere, and it was a very nice weekend. So we decided we'd stayed over one more night. Well, everybody left. It was a Sunday, and everybody left. I mean there was not one person in this whole park except me and her. Well we uh, I'll make it real quick. We went down to take a shower and when we pulled in, I didn't it didn't feel right, and something was just not right. So she got out of the vigorge, she went in. She was taking her you know, her shower, and you could hear her in there singing, you know, and I thought, well, it's just me, it's my imagination. And so I said, hmm,

51:14 all right, Well I went in and take my shower, and there's windows up and there are like seven eight foot up these land windows, and uh, I just I don't know, it just not like someone was watching me the whole time. I just could not shake this ceiling. I mean it was kind of scary, and so I went back out and walked the whole perimeter of it and just looked around to see if somebody was there. You know, I just it was weird. So I had my dog with these. He was a wolf hybrid and named the Coda, and he was the doll. Was the best doll, kny, I just can't tell you, I mean man's companion. Well, anyway, I got him out of the truck and I took him into the restroom with me, because I mean it was I just couldn't get the ceiling off of me. So I I brought him in the bathroom and I said, now you just lay down there. Well, he couldn't get comfortable. He was just looking around and just I could tell something to bother this doll. So I got the tower and I tell how bad it was.

52:30 I didn't even close the curtain in the shower when I was taking my shower. You know, I was that it was that bad. It was that intense. So I got done, you know, I take the dog out, you know, and I throw him back up in the truck and I'm sitting there waiting on my girlfriend to getting done in the shower and you know, and out she comes out of the shower, you know, and I wasn't going to say anything, kirks. I didn't want her to be scared, you know, and you know, I just I was like, no, I'm not going to say a word. I'm just gonna just go back to camp. Just you know, it's all on my head, you know, after I kept saying to myself, it's on your head, marks on your head. So we go back and we make our dinner and you know, sat around the campfire for a little bit, drank a couple of drinks and you know, said, okay, well we had an old coolman kent. I don't know if you remember them, but they were round and they had to pull it went up in the center and it's about all seven foot tall, maybe a little bit taller than that.

53:32 I could stand up in it, you know, no problem, loop arms brown, you know, I mean, it just really tall. So I got everything in the can, you know, you know, I packed all the all the food up in the truck and you know, went in the tent they did, and I had my pistol with me. I always taken because bears and you know, whatever varmits or you don't know, you know, anymore about people. So I put the gun down next to me. Well, I had to call my lantern next to me, so it was right right next to the edge of the tent, so I shut it off, you know, while we're laying there, and I hear something walking up this hill, I mean it was a big hill too, went right down to the lake. And I'm like, well, that's a person walking. And my girlfriend's like, no, it's a deer. No, that's something walking up this hill coming toward us. Well, it got closer and closer and closer, and my dog was just his hair was up on the back with no just standing right up on the back of neck. And I'm like, there's something out there.

54:49 But I told him you lay down, you know, just chill out and lay down right there. Well, you know, we're laying there from man, and all of a sudden you hear it come up to the top where our tent was right next to it, and you could hear it breathe, i mean exhale, and you could tell whatever it was it was huge, okay, And I'm like, sh quiet, and she was My girlfriend was almost in tears. She was so scared. You know, and I said, just cool. You know. Well, next thing we know, something had grabbed the center of that tent and that ten seven and seven foot seven and a half foot tall grabbed the center of that tent and shook it, just shook it.

55:41 And I swear to god, it only lasted maybe all twenty seconds, but it felt like two hours. And the cool lander hit me in the side of the head and it was hot still, you know, I just shut it off. So I grabbed my pistol and I said, I got a pistol, you know, go away, because I didn't know if it was a person. I didn't know what it was, but I know it was big whatever it was, right, So it started slapping the side of the tent. And by this time, my girlfriend's in tears, just going hysterical. The dog's going crazy. I mean, it was just like, oh, what am I going to do here? So I said, I gotta do something. I reached down to grab the zipper of that tent. And you know how that's always got that little part in it, the nylon that locks into the zipper. Oh, I was doing everything I could unlock that zipper stood raise up and open up so I could get out. So by this time I'm hearing it going back down the hill, okay, and I pulled it un tent do it? I mean, I was just gonna rip it open. I didn't care at that point because I was so scared. I mean I was. I always shot it right there on the spot, you know, if I could have got out. Well, pretty soon she got it done. Zip. I jump out and I'm hearing it going down that down the side of

57:12 the hill, and the dog takes off after it, and I hear it gyuilp my dog, yelp. Well here he comes running back and he dives into his tent and it's like, wow, what was wrong with you? This thought was not afraid of nothing. This thought would take on a mountain line and not even think nothing about it. He was just protected. I mean, that was that he's a wolf. Well, so I said, well, what was all? You know? What was that? Well, I jump out. I'm looking for tracks, you know, we never could ever find out and what it was. It was dry. It was so dry. I wasn't going to leave a track, you know, it was so dry. And uh so that was my first encounter with as sat was a bigfoot okay, Well the grass man, they said, because I talked to Rainsy when Ranger came around to collect the dudes for the campsite, I said, you know, I think we had an encounter.

58:21 He's like, well, you know, we have a lot of encounters here. And I was telling him about you know. He's like, well, really, I really do believe you really did. And my girlfriend said, we're packing up now, Let's leave right now, and she would not stay there again. We packed all that stuff up, went home. Well, we moved to Oregon about three months later, and uh, there was no jobs here at the time. I mean, the market for jobs was really bad at the time. And I said, well, what am I going to do to make money here? Extra money or something? You know. I'm retired from Honda Murder Corporation. I was an automotive engineer there. And uh uh, I said, so what am I going to do? And some guys, oh, do collect chantrell They pay you know, good money. Well, I'm collected. I've always collected moral mushrooms in Ohio my whole life, you know, and all kinds of mushrooms. But I didn't know what a chantrell was.

59:24 So they had to show me. Well, I got a crew together of nine uh Mexican women that works for this lady. And she said, all these are great pictures. Take them out, you know, to take them on god given peg. They're great workers. So we went out mushroom hunting and we'd go on all the back rooms, all of them. And we did very, very very well. We had a crew of mine, you know, them and me and ten people. We did very well commercially. Chichenese. Well. Day we were over by h Alpine Monroe area and uh in Oregon and uh it was up on.

1:00:12 The hill and they were the women were all down below the hill down because we found a lot of entrunks all up the side of this hill and they were just having a last picking these things, laughing. And having a good time. That's thing. I know. I was up on the top of the hill because I wanted to see what was on the other side. And there was a clearing, you know, like oh where the trees ended, you know, and then they had long this part in their trees up here. Well, pretty soon there was a roar and I'm not I'm not kiddy. This roar was like nothing I've ever ever heard in my whole entire life. This shook me up a minute, and I was like, what is that? And next next thing, I know, there was this thing was coming through the trees.

1:01:11 I mean it was big, whatever it was, and I thought, what is that? I didn't know. I didn't have any idea. You know, I'm from Ohio. You know, we don't have nothing like that there. You know what we do, we have the grass Man. But anyway, this thing was coming up through the trees like King Kong. I swear to god, that's that's exactly what it reminded me of. It was just knocking limbs down, breaking limbs, breaking the tree, you know, just coming up this out of the clearing. Next thing, I know, there he was right there. I mean he was probably all probably thirty yards from me, if that much.

1:02:00 And all I had on me was a block nine milimeter, you know, and I knew this was not going to do anything to you. This thing was huge. It was probably a good eight foot just I mean, I've never seen no man ever built like this in my whole entire life. His chest was huge, probably a good I swear he had to be at least four foot wide. I mean, just huge. I've never seen anything like this in my life. And my mind is like, it's like telling me this don't exist, This don't exist, This is a figment of your imagination. Mark. I mean, I just couldn't.

1:02:47 I just couldn't get it in my head. What I was looking at. Well, these ladies down below that were picking the mushrooms, they all were like real quiet, pointing at it, and they had their telephones. They were taking pictures of their telephones, and I mean they were like flipping out. Well, uh, he's looking right at me and never took his eyes off me, And I'm staring back again, like what is going on here? What are you going to do? You know, are you going to come at me? I had no idea. I couldn't. My brain just would not would not function. It would Number one tatosk our Truth.

1:03:32 I peed my pants. I was that scared. I didn't know what to do. I mean, the van's way down at Baumba Hill where they were, so I'm streaming at him, Get in the van, Get in the van right now. Well, my dog was in the van because we were having problems with deer and elk, and he'd take off running after deer and elk. And I got tired of that. Now you're in the van until you could act right. You know, Well, he's raising Holy Kane. She has Holy Kane in his van, and I told him, don't let that dog out, Do not let that dog out. Well, uh, this thing was started looking at me and then it started coming at me. And it was like, now what am I going to do? He's going to kill me?

1:04:26 This is I'm going to get killed right here. You know what am I gonna do? Well, I put my gun and I mean I shot it right over the head, get right over it head. I mean that's all I could do was hopefully get a shot that would have wound it or hurt it. Because he was going to kill me. I know he was going he was going to hurt me bad if he got me. Well, he reared back when I shot that gun, and and his teeth. I mean he looked dame. He was dude, if I get a hold of you, I'm going to hurt you bad. Okay, he was not afraid, but he was afraid of that gun.

1:05:10 So he must have hurt it once before. So he had to hurt a gun once before because he reared back. Okay, next thing, I know he's turning around, but he's keeping his eyes on me as he's walked back up into those trees. Right. So I said, Okay, I don't want to run because because I don't want him to chase. You know, a predator chases you. That's exactly what he was. As far as I was concerned with a predator. He was a wild animal. He wasn't a human. I mean he looked human in ways, like the face I mean he was. He was brown, like a brown or like a brown black. You know, he's so brown. He was black, and he had the hair on the like four inch hair, all with body except for his face and his eyes.

1:06:04 I'll never forget his eyes as long as I live. And I still have nightmares o where they were like piercing me. They were like going right through me. I mean, I've never seen eyes like that in my whole entire life. Never, never, never, don't ever want to again either. Okay, And I'm thinking, you know, I always wanted to see Bigfoot, but I didn't want to see it like this. You know, I didn't know it would be an aggressive thing. I thought it would be like you know when you see you hear people talk. Oh hey, you cross the road right in front of me. You know, just idea he's by waving act you as he's doing. He's probably a friendly guy, you know, just wants to be left alone. Okay, and not this.

1:06:51 Well, can we ask some questions about what you saw? I'm sorry, yes, yes. There's some really interesting comments coming in. So you were able to see the teeth? Were they like canine teeth or all flat like uh chick lit gum? They were like block teeth, like a block teeth, you know, like you know what I'm talking about. They were square blocked me. You shoot me, you shoot me, every one of them. Okay, Okay, I mean I grew up in the woods. I've been in the woods my whole entire life.

1:07:33 When I was a kid, you know, summer June, June first to be there and well I wouldn't see my parents again into August stuff. Okay, I mean I hunted. I think I did everything in the woods. Okay, my whole life, I've been like that. And you know, it's like I've never seen anything like this. What is this thing? And then it dawned on me this is what they call bigfoot. Okay, Well, these ladies. These ladies in the van were so scared. I mean they were screaming and stuffing, and I had them screaming. I had the dog going off down there. I have him growling and screaming at me like he wants to kill me. Okay, after he comes through the woods like tinklm. Okay, I mean I was scared. I'm not telling. I won't lie to you.

1:08:25 I'm not. I was petrified. Okay. I'm thinking, why those saves them? Okay, I gotta save myself. But I much rather he got me than all nine of them. Because he gets me. The keys are in ignition, they will leave, okay, all right. Well, so so when he left, you can hear him just raising king going back to the trees. Right. Well, somebody let the dog out. Okay. I couldn't say grand the dog, but the dog chasing this thing down the trees. And I'm hearing the Holy King going on with this dog in him is at it, okay, and I'm thinking, oh my god, he's gonna kill my dog. He'sn'na kill a dog. Next thing I know, all I heard was a yelp and they're hurt. Nothing else, Okay, Yeah, dead quiet, dead quiet. Well, you know, I couldn't leave these women down in the van, so I but I knew the dog would come out eventually, you know, if if you know, if he didn't killing, he was coming out. So I went down to the van and I told him, look, I want you to go find a park ranger, a police officer, somebody, and I want him up here. Came my dog's gone now and I gotta find a dog.

1:09:51 And they were like, oh, we're so scared, we're scared, which I said, take the van and find somebody. Okay, Well, I mean I had my cell phone, but there was no service where we was at. I mean it was in the middle of nowhere. So I said, just go to the range station and get somebody hurt. Find the police station and go to Mont Road. They have a substation there, you know. Well, they went and about and I stood there for him, thinking, oh, I gotta find my dog. He is a dog. He's not out yet, you know. So I took off to find him and I went in about fifty yards and I still crying this day because this ball was the best dog I ever had my life. Here's my dog. He's hanging from him about twelve foot up okay, did And I was like, you know, you have to be a priest roll saying human animal, whatever you want to call this thing to throw that dog you weighed one hundred and twenty six pounds up twelve feet into a tree. Okay. And then I look around and you know, there's the rims for like a semi that they used for the fire pit.

1:11:23 There was two of them up there. Now you know, you know how heavy nose are. Now I'll look at those goes, what the heck? And this this it was like a picnic pavilion type thing that was up there for I guess somebody built it for their family and they pay camped there a lot. They used it, you know when they went camping there. You know, this thing was demolished. It was tore up. And there's the two firings in this tree. They're about ten foot up there, and there's my dog. So about all probably a half hour later, here they come and they've got a a park ranger, a rader, you know, get our guy. And I said, Sarah, can you can you come here? I got I'm gonna tell you. I said, I'll tell you the story. And and you know you know what he tells me, Just what he tells me. Please don't tell me you saw a big foot clothing you do? He said. Now, I don't know if this is fact or not, but he said, if you do, then I'm gonna have to take your driver's license. Now. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna have to take your driver's license because you're not You're not sensible, you're not thinking correctly. I said, what are you talking about my driver's license? Yeah, it's I I don't know if it's true or it's not. I've tried to find

1:12:55 out from every state highway control I can talk to about it and stuff. They said they can take your driver's license if you report you saw a bigfoot while you're driving a vehicle. If the keys are in ignition, then there's something wrong with you. Yeah. Yeah, that's exactly what he said. I said, Wait a minute, look my dog. My dog's twelve feet yet and I measured it. My dog's twelve feet in year, one hundred and twenty six pound dog. How did my dog get up there? I had them in a mountain lion and he drug him up there. Oh no no no no no no no no no no no, no, no, no, no no. Ask them women what they saw. Ask them they got pictures on their telephones. Ask them. He said, look, I'm not here to discuss this with you anymore. Now what is it you saw? And he made me appear like I was a liar, like I was nuts, and oh I took offense to that, and he's like, sir, now so down, we can go downtown and talk about it. He did not care one bit. He didn't care what I saw what.

1:14:10 He did not care about it. And think he got the way he played. Okay, well pretty soon here coach two more And I said, well, can't you just go up there and investigate it and see what knocked? Outs? Were broke everywhere? This, this pavilions all busted up. He got tire rims, semi tire rims in a tree ten foot up. The weigh probably one hundred and fifty five hundred and sixty pounds. You know, it's like, wait a minute, okay, how did those get up there? Are kids, kids, kids, just they just vandalism, They just destroy everything. I could not believe what I was hearing. I was so mad.

1:14:55 I was so it's like, you're not going to take any kind of report. Oh, I'll take a report, and then I'll take your license. What what you know I think he cared about was how many mushrooms did we pick? And did I have a commercial permit? That's what he asked me. He did not care about my dog, He did not care about our well being, he did not care what we saw. He did not care about anything. But yet he would not go any further into the woods by hisself. Okay, I said, go ahead, go down and investigate that. Do your investigation, because I'm telling you what I saw. Don't stand here. Look, I have an automotive engineer. I am highly educated. I didn't believe in it either. If you would have told me, you know, five years before that I was gonna see big flood, I'd be like, yeah, sure I will, okay, yeah, sure, sure, you know. Let me tell you it exists. I don't care what anybody ever says to me about it. I know what I saw. Okay, So there is no argument of they don't exist. Well, you better come up with a little bit more of an argument than that, okay, because because if you would have been there that day, you'd be the same way I am now and you

1:16:26 know that was That's been what twelve years ago, and you know, I haven't been in the woods one day since. Don't care to, don't care to ever go back in the woods. None. None. And I live in Scottsburgh, Oregon now and which surrounded my mountains and woods. Okay, but I won't go into the woods. I'll state, okay, no way, no way at all, okay, because I know what's out there.

1:17:07 I know what's out there. I've seen it now. I believe they're migratory. You know, they followed like where their food sorts this. You know, they go from north to south. You know that they're salm and the berry's that, you know whatever, the deer of the elk. You know. I believe they're migratory, and I do believe that they do. They do go underground where there's lava tubes and stuff. I do believe that, Okay. But how he just disappears, well, I don't understand he was. I heard him kill my dog and then it was dead silence like like it just disappeared like he was you know what I'm saying.

1:17:54 That's I have so many questions that I'd like somebody to answer that they. Can't absolutely why I'd be the same way. Mark. Yeah, I'm sorry you last your dog. Yeah you know you said good dog too. You know, he would have died for me, and he did die for me. He died protecting us. Okay, well, you know what, not one of them nine women ever went back in the woods again, none of them. As a matter of fact, a lot of them went back to Mexico. D Lady's asking the lady that hired him, She's like, what do you get to him? I can't get him to work? Well, yeah, he won't. I'm not working for you anymore. I'm not working in the woods anymore. I don't do that anymore. Sorry. No, I used to love the camp. I used to love to go out and fish. You know, I'd be a spirit lake out there in the middle of nowhere, you know, I mean, you know, I know where no man would go, you know, But not anymore? Mark?

1:19:02 Sorry? Is that is that spirit lake by Oakridge? Yes? Yes, okay, I used to love to go there. Did I used to love to go there? Okay, So I have I have questions, Mark, I'm gonna we're gonna put a pin in that first. Did the ladies did you ever see the photos that they took. Yes, yes, like they were way down the bottom of the hill, but you can see it. I mean it looks like it looks like it's just a big gorilla, is what it appears. That it had the cone head, you know, like an acorn head, and no neck that I saw. I mean there was hardly any any neck. Okay.

1:19:46 The arms were were like down back his knees. That's what really got me, Like, how awkward do you look like he was? He was. I mean he moved by nothing I'd ever seen moved and fast. He was quick, and I mean he I think if you really want to do, he could have gotten me really quick. You wouldn't have been afraid of that gun. But I know he's hurt a gun because just the way he reacted when I shot it, Okay, and I knew I only had you know, the only way I was going to hurt him was a head shot basically, and that's where I was heading. I mean, I'm sorry, I don't want to see him die. I don't think nothing like that should die. I think something like that should be studied.

1:20:32 You know, it's a bear. When did the organ cody acts and that's what it looked like. Mark. Did you happen to get the photo any of the photos from those ladies I got? I got some on my SIM card on my telephone. But but that okay, how do I put it? Okay? Okay? The phone died? Okay, the phone died, well, the battery just went to boot. Well, there's SIM cards there, but somebody said, if you don't do it right, you're going to erase everything on a SIM card. I got the phone, and I want it professionally done, okay, and I just have it. I just haven't had it done, but I want it professionally done when when it's done, because you might only get one shot, okay. And I tried to download it on a computer once and it acted like it was going to erase everything. And I know I gan't didn't know, So that's why I want it professionally done. And I swear when I get it done, and it's going to be soon, because I want questions answered.

1:21:46 I want somebody to tell me where did this come from? Did we create this? You know? Is this a man made thing? Or is this from a thousand years ago that's evolved and still around or because it did it look like a man gorilla. Does that make sense? No, it totally does it. I hope that you are able to get the photos off of those that sim card And definitely I would love it if you you keep me in the loop with what happens with that mark? Are you you want to do the bigfoot thing right? I'll be there. I want to look you up. I'm going to look you up when I if you.

1:22:29 Don't mind do yeah? And uh, okay, and that's when is. That that is jely I want to say, July nineteenth coming up is when it starts. Okay, you know what I'm going to make. I'm gonna I'm going to put big effort and the get this thing developed. Please, And you're the only one I want to see see You're the only one I want to look at because you know, I want you to just tell me what you see. Okay, Okay, you tell me what you see? Yes, sir? Right when I look at I know what it was because you know, so my my opinion means nothing those words because I know what it was. But I want somebody that don't have no idea about nothing to look at that picture and tell me what it is. Okay, and I'm going to get it professionally done, trust.

1:23:25 Me, absolutely, like try to get maybe printed out, try to get the digital version. But I wanted to talk to you about Spirit Lake because Spirit Lake I've talked to a gentleman about and they had some really intense Bigfoot sightings at that lake, which is pretty remote out there by Oakridge and Macready Springs. I had two buddies that went up there and had the same thing. Okay, but I used to go up there all the time. I had problems bears. I never had a problem with them big foot or anything. But I had two buddies that went up there that they were literally scared out. They never saw anything, they just heard like it was yeah, like it was uh like it was you know, like, oh, what's the world when he like, uh like, oh what's the world? Like trying to get them like trapping them like you know what I'm saying, Yeah, and uh And they're going to be with me at the Bigfoot. They all have them tell you their little story because yeah, they will, they will.

1:24:37 This one will scare you. This is going to be intense. I'm telling you. Everything I'm telling you now is honest to god truth. I have no reason to lie. Why would I lie. You? I mean, I mean to hear somebody tell you this. Yeah, you know, if somebody ten minutes, I'd be like, yeah, you were to take a nap, okay. But what I'm telling you, every bit of it is a gospel truth, every bit of it. And I mean, I'll tell you the same story. And you asked me next next week to sit tell me, and I'll tell you the exact same story. And it's not because I rehearse nothing. It's because it's all going through my brain. I mean, there are times I've missed telling you too, you know. Oh, buddy, I can't wait. I'm so glad. I am so glad that I met you. I am so glad because I'll tell you. I just want question. I want my government to answer my questions. And you know what I'd really like is is if there's been a big foot sighted there, you know wherever, just put up a sign that says, look, we're being a big foot side of there. So if you've got children, we're going to give you the option.

1:26:05 You don't have to stay here. You go down the road, not inside it, okay, But but they need to put something up. I don't care what it is, okay. I mean they said, oh, they can't say it existed, it'll ruin the timber industry. No it won't. How's it going to ruin the timber industry? This thing migrates. It's not like it lives on one spot like the spot it out does. Okay, I mean, uh, a small there's one area to whole life a bigfoot, don't. I mean there's I guess there are some that do you know where they're where? They have the resources to live year round, but I think three quarters i'd pass a nine tents of migrate okay, And they got little plans. Okay. I mean that's why they don't find a body, because I guarantee you if somebody shoots one, you better be prepared to take on about eight or ten of them.

1:27:05 Because they're coming, absolutely, okay, absolutely, okay. They're coming. Yeah, Okay. That's why when one dies, its body is taken away. It's it's buried, or it's in a latitube, or it's it's someplace. And one day somebody's going to start finding where they hid these things. Okay. We don't know why they've been sticks and have these uh tree things in the croppings out in the middle of the woods. We don't know none of that. Maybe that's their burial site. We don't know that. We have no clue. Nobody knows nothing about them because we don't take the time to study that. Okay, we don't care. It's like I care. I want to know. Okay, why did you bend that branch like that? You know? Why is that a direction he wants you go that way?

1:27:52 Or is he telling other big foots that go that way? Or I don't know? You know, I want to know, and uh, I don't know. I've read every book. I can't. Yeah, but nobody ever has hard none of the answers. It's all guess you know, it's I don't know. It's just as many people are see him. Now, tell me he doesn't exist. Really, how can you really look at somebody and say, oh, no, he don't exist. That's because you haven't seen him, and you're jealous because you haven't seen him. You can take my story for what it's orrible. Let me tell you it's it's actual, it's factual. I got pictures.

1:28:38 I just got to get it developed, and I will have to developed by Land. I'll make it a point now that I'm talking to you, I feel so much better. Keep it off my chest. You know, you can't tell nobody you do. You just can't tell somebody this story. They look at you like you're insane, you know. But trust me, I'm a very educated person. I mean I I designed the cords and Civics for twenty two years. Okay, wow, So yeah, I didn't want to see I didn't ask to see this thing. I mean, that was the last thing in my mind. Was just thing coming out of the woods one day. Oh. I didn't even want to see it. Okay. I was just trying to do my job, okay, and ruin my whole life. Mark, I just run my whole life.

1:29:27 I'm looking forward to chatting with you more at Oakridge. I can't wait. I'm glad you called in. I know this was this was extremely tough for you to share, but I'm glad you did. And we'll talk more later. My email is big for society at gmail dot com. You can keep in touch with me that way. But yes, I'm just thankful that we got to talk tonight. And yeah, me too. I'll talk to you lady too. All right, hey, listen, thank you very much for your time. I appreciate I feel so much better. Thank you very very much. Thank you Mark for calling in. We'll be in touch. Okay, all right, well, thank you, bye bye, Holy Mackerel.

1:30:18 That was really wild. That was one of the most intense calls. I've ever taken. And the story's gonna continue at Sasquatch Summerfest and Oakridge if he gets those photos off of that simcard. You just listen to audio from four forty eight and four forty nine, which were recorded back in June of twenty twenty four. You may have questions about if I ever met Mark at Sasquatch Summerfest. I never did it. Still would love to talk to Mark if you hear this, buddy, I'm going to Sasquatch Summer Fest for my third year and I would love to meet you there if you still have that phone or SIM card, or if you printed out the pictures, or I'd love to talk to your buddies about Spirit Lake as well. But just a update about that last one. Still have not been able to talk to Mark face to face to this day, so hopefully that'll happen someday in the future. Thank you for listening to this episode of the big Foot Society Podcast.

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