Montana Bigfoot Stories (Archive Episode)

0:01 Welcome to the Big for Society. In this archival episode from twenty twenty three, I talked to Ken Metzger about the many bigfoot encounters he's gathered in the wild state of Montana. If you've experienced something similar to what Ken has, or have more information regarding bigfoot or other cryptids in the same area, please reach out immediately after this episode. And if you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, please contact me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Also make sure you check out big for Society podcast dot com, where you can become a member and get extra episodes. All right, Big for Society got the privilege of talking to a new friend tonight, mister Ken Metzger from the Montana Bigfoot International Research Group. How's it going, Ken, It's going real good, guys, Donia. We're gearing up for this year's field research trips in Montana plus by Colorado, Oregon, and Idaho.

0:52 Again. I love it. So a few quick words about Ken. He is a bigfoot researcher out there in Montana and he's got some really interesting stories. Ken, is there anything else that our listeners would need to know? About you to except the stage before we start chatting. I've had, I've come to believe now encounters with Bigfoot. When I was young in the mountains, when I used to take off and go camping things, I'd see structures, something large walked away by petal. So I've been around it for a long time and I really didn't get into it until my first sighting in nineteen seventy eight. I have to know what I saw, especially when you know it's not a bear. It has intrigued me. It's become a quest for me. That hiked into an alpine lake out a Divorcier, Montana, Crystal Lake, and I spent the day fishing. Coming out, I had seen bear scat and everything, so you've become cautious, especially when you're carrying trout. And I could hear a log being torn apart off this old logging road. So I stopped, dropped, put the kreole on my shoulders I could drop it. I had to what walked upon the road was not a bear? Was walking upright? And it was. I had asked tomate between seven and a half to eat and a half foot tall. It was covered in sharp black hair, long muscular arms, a barrel chest. The legs were muscular. The hands appeared to have no hair on them, as did

2:23 the feet. The face, how do you say? The head was rounded with small ears, and when it turned its head you could see for crude eyebrows. The nose of somewhat flapped. The mouth was a little bit open. You could see the bottom two dog teas looked at me, and they went up a steep bank in two steps. It was a real steep bank, and then started pairing in the road. Of course, I period it was time to get out of there, which I did, and then I stopped and I built a little rock thing. And I've always been taught to you go out, you always return something. So I dropped some chout by it and I left. Now, this is a seven and a half mile hike in and out, so you're talking fifteen miles round trip. And I was the only one in there. And there's been reports of that area, a lot sightings up in that area, in the hog and do Borchia area.

3:14 Tree knocks, visuals. I'd have them knock on the side of the house when I lived up there. All of the night. Yeah, you hear real quick raps. So we knew they were out there. You could smell them cutting fire. Would you take a break all seen? You hear a real sharp tree knox And it wasn't the wind knocket trees in in the Mon's too much to be able to know that. Wow, Yeah, I had no idea Montana was so squatchy. To be honest, we have. I got reports from the Missouri breaks, Cut Bank, Sydney, the Big Hole, the Bear Tooth, the Bob Marshall, the Pentler Cellway area, bigfoot sightings, and there's not many groups in Montana that's going out there because there's no guarantee of to find anything. There's always that chance, there's always a chance that have an account. Giving example, we didn't know we had captured that juvenile and that's been verified as an unknown bipedal creature. It's not a bar er human. Just prior to that, something largeer smelling the window of the mortar home where the wife was sleeping. She woke up. She didn't wake me up. She got up, went out in the dining room.

4:25 It's because the blind rift. She went and laid back down. She didn't wake me up, but she got up, and I got up and that's what was wrong. She told me. She said she heard it walk away heavy footsteps. So the next morning I went out and measured from the flat of the ground to where she pointed on the window was nine and a half feet. To put a creature ten foot or better. It's the same time that small when a six foot was standing by the jeep. Listeners, if you want to check out this vie, you just go to the Montana Bigfoot Research Group dot com and it is on there for you to view. I'll definitely have that link in the show notes as well. I've watched it more than a few times myself, and I'm like, man, I don't know, I really don't know. Yeah, a little bit of the history of that area. Jeff, which is a co founder, he's the one that actually got me to open up the MONTETA. They put inter National Research Group because of his curiosity, and now my primary online researcher is out of Malaysia. He worked for the Canadian Force Service. He said, through what he finds and reposted on our Facebook site, and they're up there. What caught Jeff's eye was the footprints in the snow that just wandered off on a main game trail and then his son was down by where we normally have our base camp, playing with the dog, and also in a big rock was thrown into the water and someone buy petle walked away. And every time we

5:55 go up there, something happens. So I continue going to the area because there is activity. You'll hear it sounds like a screech out, but it's not a screech out. You'll hear coyotes, but they're not coyotes. You'll hear twenty birds sounds. So these are the areas we returned to you because eventually we're going to get that little thing on video camp I put out. I'll have ten trail camps put out there, and I have two around the camp. We're deploying two drones this year, a larger one and a small one. See what we can catch from the air. What kind of drones are you guys using there? Then taitar drones, they're only good for the day. At night time, my night vision binoculars or I can record that has sim cards, I can record through them, but not at a distance.

6:43 And I'll give an example I made on my video cam which has voice recording. It records at night two, but you're only limited by distance. Example, I was over in Saint Mary's and I have two photographs of something avoiding black It looks like your shoulder avoiding the trail camp. My trail comes are setting work from six and a half to seve and half foot off the ground, so it's not there. I've gotten deer, elk, moose, wolves on the trail camps already. The night we went out with my steps on last and I had it appeared to be a tube and now looking at us through the trees. Wow. I tried to get a recording when I dropped the pdoctors and putting back up was gone. A little later, I was scanning a tree line and there was a large one standing their watchings.

7:31 Just after that, me and Josh was standing there and a big log complying between the two of us from behind. Hold on, hold on, okay, here we go. You guys are watching the tree line and all of a sudden, a huge log gets thrown at you. Yeah, coming from behind us. So there's bore the one there. Oh dude, they were sneaky. They snuck up behind you and they were going to take you out from behind. Yeah, So we decided it was part of prudent to lead the motor home in the house. Yeah, but I did all the call, the ooh call, okay, and I got coyotes in response for weren't coyotes? Have you gotten interesting audio on recorded when you're out there? You always recording audio? Or yes, I have. I also have a sonic listing device which these headphones go to. Oh sure, so I can pick up anything in the distance and it does recording and I put it in on cassette, which is I'm transferred out to a flash star. It's what I was looking for today. I probably have twenty one recordings of different sounds I've actually recorded myself. So when I do get those out, I'll send them to you. Yeah, thank you, that'd be awesome. Yeah, and I said they're here Philipsburg Drumedaries, cattle country. During the calving season, calves come up missing. It's not wolves taking it. They actually put prints Leinois. Ohoh really, so you're I would guess ranchers are finding these footprints.

9:07 Yeah, and they're like large, they're pretty much bigfoot type footprints there in eighteen to twenty two inches. Yeah, you know, I consider that. Oh my goodness. Yea, even during a fawning season for deer, cabin seasons for elk and moose, I'm sure Bigfoot takes the babies. This is an animal that's capable of killing them, a deer, an elk in the history of it. In eighteen fifty one in Arkansas, two guys watched a Bigfoot chasing cattle trying to grab it, and eighteen forty six actually found twenty two inch tracks in the snow. That's an Arkansas part of doing research or Bigfoot, you've got to find when the first are kind of recordings not considered. I can talk about the Native American because it's there in pictographs, and then the legends if you talk to the Pawnees in the Southwest, the war they had with him, the Native's up on the West coast, the war they had with Bigfoot, and where there was Vonnie Trots growing, which you want to go back. Now, the earliest account I've been able to find is nine eighty six a d. And that's sleeve ericson the Newfoundland.

10:22 He describes large, harry, smelly creatures that were very aggressive, and then in seventeen ninety three santiicco I can't say it's predationing. He was commissioned by the Spanish king to explore the west coast of South America North America. He wrote in his Journals of Large Bipedal Creatures. Wow. When Lewis and Clark was headed through the exploring the Louisiana purchase, they were warned but mad dans the Shoshone, the Blackfoot about large bipe. Harry then in the mouth and set like to steal horses and need them. And it's in that journal somewhere, and I've been trying to find it. I have the passage at one time. There's a history of it, and some we can't ignore it.

11:09 They've been run a lot longer than we have. And whether they come across the land bridge or they're related to giant pithecus, we don't know now. Expeditioning to Tibet and am real high off. Final Ly, nobody goes into They did e DNA and it come back as ninety eight percent human. Now what we have to understand there's only two to three percent difference in our DNA to us and the giant primates. The gorilla is, the chimpanzees and orangutans interesting there's a lot out there, and you're going to hear say, you know, people want the attention, and my standing policy for my group and that we I don't want the attention. I want answers. What we learn helps you the people come to understand, because the scientists ain't going to tell us the government and they all ain't going to tell us. So it's up to just individual ones out there willing to take the time and make the connections with the other groups. And hopefully your research helps out other people and their research helps out yours, and just hopefully people keep connecting and play nice so that can happen. Spring is pretty much confirmed. I've got one research group in Colorado that's coming. I've got a squatch highway out of Oregon, Bruce He's coming. And then in the fall. I returned to that area twice a year in the spring, and in the fall, I've got another group coming out of Texas to do it, and we'll be there for two weeks, coming to that your research area. But we're also the ones out there

12:43 doing it. We don't talk much about it. I will post on the domain or on my Facebook site some of the stuff we do come across The first thing I want to know more about is in the name itself international research groups. So obviously you guys are researching at Montana, but what is it that makes it an international thing? Oh, I get reports from Wales, Germany, Scotland, the Philippines, Malaysia, Borneo, dialand Australia. You have to be international because I have members from all over the world. We actually have twenty three countries, members in twenty three countries. Fascinating in the encounters, the cliff Eagle speaker Substan Blackfoot Indian Reservation talked about what him is.

13:35 Girlfriend saw a bipedal creature walking and then you go beyond that and this is all on there. The one in Wales, it was July eighteenth, twenty twenty one. A guy was digging the ditch and he looked up and saw a large bipedal creature walking towards him. And when I saw him, it took off. And then the reports out of Malaysia and Borneo of the Pindeca which is what they call that they put down there. It's a smaller one and it's more oranges in color. So we do get these reports. I was telling you, I don't know when I'll get a message with somebody else this is what we've seen. And then what I do is an immediately go online. I start researching let's say Wales. How many sightings have been in Wales. You'll be surprised how many of them, how many in England.

14:28 You always do a follow up to make sure you're not getting bis And everything I'm finding is back in what they're telling us. In the research area that the Montana Group has. Are you all focusing on getting a certain type of evidence or is it pretty much whatever you can find footprints or audio or video, or you just throwing everything at it. This year we're going to concentrate on footprints, looking for hair samples, those that go into actually in the field. I want them collecting small empty bird nests, birds who use hair to line their nests, hair off of our horses that any hair, And I do have a microscope I can look to see if I've got the written that I can send into a lab. We want to get actually better vocalizations beyond catch something on video. We have the definite proof and this takes time. It's not something that I don't think people realize just how intense field research is absolutely, because we have two groups during the day. Now I try to narrow to one group at night because somebody gets lost and say whole lot harder to find them that night and during the day, especially in Montana because this is rugged, rough country. That's the thing. Because and it's not just bigfoot, you have to be you have extremely large predators besides Bigfoot

16:00 up there as well. Right. Yes, we have wolves, we have mountain lions, we have black bears, we have grizzlies. Oh, grizzlies. Wow, yeah, the big ones. These are big hump back grizzlies and they're not friendly. We have to be aware at all times, just not bigfoot. Eighthex predators in the area, Kyotz. I don't worry about bobcasts or links. We do have those, sure too, But it's the big the primary ones. A mountainlined at, wolves, the bears, possibly bigfoot. Do they take humans? Unknown question? Wow? Have there is there a history of bigfoot sightings in Montana that you're aware of. I know you you've looked into different history reports in different parts of the US, but have you found any of how far things go back into Montana itself? Oh?

16:55 There is report will be from Lewis and Clark, Okay written all the Native, the black Feet, and the Blackfoot in their legend goes they were according to them, they were already here, and the Sioux talk about them. Then get farther south into the southwest. Yawani and the Zuni all have a history. They actually have a dance. It's a Bigfoot dance. It's not really Yeah, well that is cool. That is cool. So when you're doing research, this is the whole thing is, you've got to look at everything. You got to have an open mind. You can't be a skeptic and say, oh, that didn't happen. We used to keep on coming across the same thing over and over, but from different sources. There's something, there's a basis there. You've got to find out why they were saying what, where, when, and why, those of which are turned to answer. Do you feel like you have adequate evidence to prove its existence in Montana? Are you still reaching for a better piece? Hopefully next year?

18:03 I think we do. I do, but I want that conclusive piece. You know. It's it's better be safe than sorry, as they say. And that's why it's just up there there to go. Because I'm now by myself and I have the big I have a big mortar on the class A and I tow my jeep behind. I can go out and spend weeks. As long as I got propane and water, I can be out there doing field research. And it's just a matter of being there at the right time. Yeah, and the one area there's unusual things happens the Bear Tooth Range. People come up missing there and they don't know. Why are you talking about missing four on one stuff? Yeah, maybe it's an aggressive bigfoot in those mountains that are actually killing people. Wow. How is it that you say, have you heard reports or there's bad steam that you know it's an aggressive bigfoot? Somebody's missing. They find them and it looked like they got the person's gone through meat gender as all the bones are crushed. Whoa, I'm next broken? Wow, skulls crushed in, ribs are crushed, legs are broken. Some have been found wrapped around the tree. Wow, wrapped around a tree. That's extremely intense. I don't know if you read heard on that the drug dealers the sheriff knew about. They were going to do a bus They are in your group. No, this is someone else and this is a different in your group. That was incredible. Go on with your the nine one one called a receipt. They could hear gunfire and

19:40 they kept the people were saying, el monsterio. Of course the cops are going to respond. When they got there, it was all quiet. They found all this animal had been shot. They found the bodies just tore apart. The backside of the trailer was completely ripped open. The little girl come out and all she would say, monster, the monster. Right, yeah, you know eight canyons another one those gold prospectors. Why do you of course them? But if you listen to what they said, they shot at bigfoot, killing one and wounding one. Bigfoot. Reprisal was they were going to get those guys. Now, the report you referred to in bear Tooth, I'm guessing that kind of behavior isn't anything you would see from a grizzly.

20:27 Is it almost more aggressive than you would see more bear? Really? Yeah, it's more aggressive grizzly. If he takes he's he's going to eat you r a bear yet? Okay, like you're not going to be there anymore? Right all? Yeah? Okay, yeah, wow, And these are different, these are different. That's more reported attacks in the bear Tooth by something unknowing, and bears are ruled out, mountain lions are ruled out. How far back to these missing reports? Go for a Bear Tooth nineteen thirty eight. Really, yeah, it's been happening all along. It's been happening along. Oh man. Wow. Yeah, people have never been into the botb marshap. The only way in there is by horseback or foot.

21:14 I used to work for the outfitters as a camp cook during hunting season. I saw that day was not a bear. What did you see? I'm sitting there watching the slide just across the stream, and I watched a group of elk, heard of elks come out. They looked at cows, they turned around and took off back the way they had come. What walked out on that trail was and the bear was walking upright after across the clearing the slide. There was two real loud tree knocks. Wow. And that night when the federal game warning because I'd asked the outfitter about it, and the outfitter told the game ward and Ken saw the big guy and they got game warn and started laughing. Ken saw the big guy. That's what he said, yeah, man, Dad, after that it's it's all bets are off.

22:03 You must have been like, it's on, Yeah, it's on. Now. That makes me yeah, you know, like I was saying, it's just not the only kind of give no dixample of why I know I've been around them. I used to run a winter trap line for beaver and coyotes in that up up place off of the Blackfoot. Back then there were logged and so they had the road plot. I had an area and I'd set my base camp up and then i'd snowshoe and never used to snowveal. I had Alaska trails modified sure, so I'd make my coyote sets and I always use conna bears quick kills. I don't believe in now I'm suffering. I had a left to get supplies and come back now and start running my line. Probably about a mile from the camp, one of the coves was tore up. There's a coyote hid in the trap, but nobody really Yeah, but you could see tracks leading the way, but it was covered with snow. So I continued to where I'd spend the night. Then my next I had to come back along Gold Cricket itself. On my beaver sets, there were beaver traps totally destroyed, pulled out the water. So something took the beaver. Yeah, and there again tracks and you're talking tracks sixteen seventeen eighteen inches that were covered in snow. You can definitely tell really yeah, oh man, So do you get scared? I think you do, but you become more cautious and alert to your surrounding area. Sure. I have a standing policy when any of my kids go with me, listen to the

23:33 forest, the woods, the mountains. They're going to tell you a story, all right, And most people don't understand. It's like fine squirrels, if they sound off in a distance, they have an alarm. Pay attention. Okay, if they start sounding up as they're coming towards you, I mean something's coming. And I've hat bears. I've seen bears. Actually the squirrels are just they had of the bears. Is that I'm indicated? Yes, I was going to ask you earlier the missing people reports in bear Tooth. Are those things you've just researched yourself, or did you find those were those in a certain area gathered together or I knew one of the deputy sheriffs done in that area. I want to say, yeah, okay, so you have yeah, yeah, you know, to say to protect him.

24:23 He knew I'm into the bigfoot stuff and he got to talk to me. They get at least two three parts a year when they hear stuff. They're coming to you. Yeah, I'll get a phone calls. Hey can another guy's missing now, Chief Joseph, which is to pass out of the Bitter Rut into Idaho. You're swinging over there into the Big Hole. And anybody that knows about the Big Hole, that's where the nets Erst had really the first contact with the Calgary one. Chief Joseph is escaping from Idaho. They have a signence of a bipedal creature quite often around that campground really, and it's not a bear. So that on my list this year to actually go in and set up a camp, my mortar home and everything, and spend some time, put out trail cams and try some things that'll make local news.

25:11 When that happened, Yeah, people in Montana are real reserved about talking with the experience. Okay, Unibarmber Lincoln, Montana or the Unibamber was found Tedkison's home man. This episode's gonna brings some red flags and algorithms. Slit's party. Yeah. Anyway, Well, when the berry was staked up the cabin, they watched a mountainline kill a deer. Ain't nowhere really? All that? Oh yeah was nowhere? They're going to get off that car. There hasband reports of the locals and let's sing about people, Monte, they're so close mouth. Now. I do have a member that's going to meet me sometime this summer up at Lincoln to show me some of these areas, which I'm always happy to go to. I'm looking at it as an adventure, but it's an adventure for knowledge, for understand ending. What would it take for your quest to be done? Finally verify what I saw was not a bear? Okay, I'm not going to say like a guy's joke, Aron, I have to sit down with me and have a beer. No, to be able to say, yes, it wasn't a bear, it was definitely a bipedal creature. Will it take? What kind of evidence would that take? If I can find pieces where I can get DNA foot prints, we take the DNA take your ground, which I have all the I have all the equipment to do it. It is just finding the stuff to do it. I'm going to try to get finger prints this year and I'll use it. I'm gonna use a large beer can, open a beer set out at night if it's on the ground. I have the dusting powder for

26:45 fingerprints. Okay, it's finally to prove, just not to myself, to others, that hey, these do exist. This is another thing our government's covering up. There's so many theories about bigfoot. I have my own, and I'm sure it's going to conflict with others. But over the years you develop a theory. What is it? I study the human evolution and you're surprised the primates did not evolve like humans, but yet they did evolve. Yes, they put an evolutionary take off of the primates, a larger Giantthicus, gorillas or regatans chimpanzees. Gotcha. If they're getting DNA and stuff that comes back, it's unknown primate that there's something there. Right. Another thing is to find a lab that won't shoot their mouth off to the government.

27:38 It's like, who can you trust that your evidence is going to magically end up missing and never get returned to you? Like so often is the case, right, I did. I send in some DNA samples, some EDA. I never heard a word really and that was two years ago. Wow, So what was the results? Either means you found something or there's a lot of people in the labs that are not so organized. What if you had to put a pen down on a map of Montana for the squatchiest area, what would you think? I take where I'm going again this year.

28:21 I keep it because something always happens there. And that's the key is now it's being there at the right time, having enough people out there out in the field. We're actually going to be putting out this satellite camp, a satellite cam. Yeah, really tell me about that. Yeah, the one a group from Washington. I'll be taking them into an area is about a mile maybe or maybe only half a mile from an alpine lake. Come across the tree structures in that I'm going to jeep in and can't shaping bags, cooking gear, everything, and they're going to spend a few nights in there. Now they will be in contact with them base camp through the CBS. Well it's the mortar woman. The JEP has CBS and they will have affordable those in the field have two way radios ones in the base camp, and the guys have it. I can hear what's going on if they're talking between each other. So I'm curious. Is Bigfoot moving from the lakes through that draw up into the bar marshall over the top into the ball marshall. It's just one range on one side and the mission mountains on the other side.

29:33 It's a big area. How many hours do you think you've put in over the years for Bigfoot research? If you had the rounded up twelve hundred dollars. Wow, that's awesome, that is amazing. I'm limited because of my health, my heart. Oh sure, I can't get out there like I used to when I was a kid. If I didn't have a bad heart, i'd be the one out there in the satellite camp by myself. But now I have others that do it, and it's hard to get people to come. They don't realize it's important. I have the people there that follow the rules. We do have rules for field research, and we're real strict. You follow these rules, otherwise you're removed because you get hurt out there.

30:18 The closest hospital was forty five miles away. Oh my goodness, that's the game over, dude, And there's no place to bring a helicopter in there. Oh really, you can't even medvack anyone at least really, you're done. Yeah, we have a sing in the ball marsh with the hunters. If your buddy dies lame over a log, it's easier to put him on a horse, a back horse. And if he's splat, oh my goodness, Wow, that'll make a person pay attention. Yeah, we request that nobody goes armed but myself and the head of the teams. I send out so somebody doesn't get gun happy. And I don't like game, but really carrying a weapon at night I under stamp up during the day. I think bigput can sense it. I agree with you. From what I've heard talking to people, I would agree with you on that for sure. It's weird. You always hear stories about how they can sense certain things or can they sense ir on like game cams, stuff like that. Just really interesting stuff. Really not sure what this creature can and can do. It's pretty intense, for sure. Yeah. See, we change our flashlights. We don't use white okay, we use a high density black light. Oh interesting, Oh, Mike, shulm normally dear and that will have an eye shot under these there's no eye shine. Okay, you can see them. There is no eye SHOWE gotcha. So does Bigfoot see that color spectrum? We

31:49 don't know. Well, over the years, all those hours that you're out there, have you ever noticed anything else weird or strangers that you're like? It was Bigfoot, But I'm really not sure what's going on here? You mean trees driven upside down in the ground. Okay, that's cool. Yeah, do you run into that? Yes? Really? If you don't find those very often you're more up north, but you do have once while here, you'll find x's in a different configuration. Lines during waterholes, along game trails, of streams, all sorts of weird things. I burn across fish traps there in places ain't no humans. And I see those in the spring, the rainbow trout and the silver salmon spot in the fall, the COCONet salmon in that spot, the brown trouts, the brookies, so those streams have cut trout and the fish which is a food source that there. It's like, and I think Bigfoot does too. These fish traps are primitive and that and but there they work expedition. Bigfoot, they come across it in or you know what it was. So I was telling the wife, I've already been talking about this. We don't what does bigfoot eat? Is it a carry an eater? We know it will kill kind of if you look at the edible things. If you look at like in Montana, baby fern,

33:19 cattail, young cat, tai, huckleberries, raspberries, I'm sure they great farmers' fields. There's a lot to eat out there. Then you look at taking deer, take an elk, even a moose, and they will kill a bear. So cubs, it comes across the cub, that's food for the bigfoot. So you're saying they will kill a bear? Yes, how do you know that? I'm just I'm genuinely curious. How can you come across a bear with a broken neck and there's no gunshot wound and there's nothing around something smell in the air, smells like something dead, rotten and moldy. Wow, is that something you've come upon yourself? Really? You've you've found a bear that has a snap neck, totally dead and now it's just like full size adult or what size of the cub had a one hind quarter missing, they've been torn off and ambrays down and me, I'll take a polygraph to any of this stuff because I'm serious about what I see.

34:22 I've not talked about it until recently, of what I've experienced out there. Really, I'm just really taken it back by that. That's incredible because I'm thinking another bear probably couldn't. I'm trying to think of creatures that could break or you said, break the neck of a bit. That's an intense ken I know, yeah, I know how thick their neckt Sorry, yeah, that make me that I would be thinking for a while on that. Man, I really can't think of anything other than bigfoot that could do something like that. Dude, poor bear Willy will kill a cup. That's why the cells so protective of the cups. A soul can get separated from the cuffs, get separated, what bigfoot grabs it. You're talking to an animal except eight nine pounds or more. Yeah, an animal eight eight and a half foot tall, extremely muscular. Can you imagine. I'm not sure if anyone has a story of this, but seeing the fight between a grizzly and a bigfoot, my goodness, that wouldn't that be something to go down in the ages. You know. The other thing we I've noticed on them out If there's no bears, generally, that's where I start hearing the weird vocalizations and stuff. The bears get the hell out of there. Sure, it's like they're finding out purposes, are killing Great White Charts. They show up the Great White Charts. Leap, it's all doctor, Yeah, right now, the Great White Charts an apex predator. The bears a black bear, it's

35:57 not as powerful as a grizzly, But if they talk get a small bear? What chance do they have? What chance do we have? Absolutely, you know you're on the food chain as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure you've heard different recordings of Bigfoot vocalizations, and you've mentioned already that you've heard almost mimicry different animals. Have you heard anything that you know, a howl or anything whereas Okay, that's not like a coyote sound, that's something totally different. Yeah, yeah, a whooping? Oh you have heard whoops out there? Okay? Really, they're generally followed by a couple of tree knocks, and you can distinguish a tree knock from bigfoot from a tree, a windblow in a tree. There's a distinct sound. Okay, it's real loud and clear. Do you hear it? Leave the area, like I said, in the structure that've come across, there's some you see them turn around and get the hell out of there. Don't do not go any further.

36:57 They're a warning, stay out of that area. Warning. Yeah, it's a warning. I want to say. It was my buddy tateheronymous that almost He labels it like a power knock. I've heard that thrown around. But it's so sharp, it's so loud that you just like it could be nothing else. Yeah, you hear it. They could be two three miles away. There's no mistaken when they do it. We cannot create that lot of tree knocker salves. Ours are short and sharp, but short. There's you hear it through thick woods everything. You'll hear that knock. When they scream, sometimes it sounds like a woman. Very interesting because yeah, so you've heard that yourself where it's like a like a woman's scream. Oh no, make you stand up and look around. Do you have any of that recorded?

37:52 Yes you do. I'll get those recordings out. I got to go through all my flash stripes and find them and then I'll get him sent to you. No pressure, but I would love to hear it. That's awesome. Have you ever played like a baby? Cry? Sound I'm trying that. Oh you're going to try to share. You've got to tell me how it goes. I will Usually it brings out the crazy. Do you got some stuff in that group? Yeah, that's why. And we're private for a reason, right, we me and my moderators, we have one primary thing. It will be respectful. Yes, you troll somebody, especially me, you ain't got a chat, You're gone your history. I will not tolerate it. And we built a group of trust. Yeah, it's important to talk about experiences. Look at the guy that contracted mortar patrol what he said. It takes a lot for these people to talk about these experiences.

38:50 Don't try absolutely, Just trust me. I'll verify everything anybody's saying. It's not that hard to do. It's just go to the area. You'll learn how to do research on LAWE for information like I posted that. You notice I don't post anything on there that I have not double checked. Have more than one article. That's awesome because I'm online from two three o'clock in the morning. I'm sitting here doing research. I have two really left field things I want to ask you about that. If you've ever heard anything like about this kind of thing in Montana, it's really left field. Have you ever experienced any like ORB stuff up there? I have an idaho, Oh you have? Oh that night and you had that log thrown between us? Yeah, difar to that. We were standing. I looked up for about five miles away, I'd say, quite a ways up in the sky. I read ORB was dancing all over the sky. It wasn't a helicopter, it wasn't an airplane, and doing this ran stuff. We disappeared. We watched for forty five minutes. I tried to catch it on the camera, and that it was too far away. Oh wow, No, okay, that's cool. Where I got the walls on trail cam. I haven't figured how to piece the video together, but I have. It looks like an ORB coming up this straw and it slowly floats across the trail cam. It comes

40:21 back and then comes back and that's gone. Okay. There are seven videos of it. Yeah, that's awesome. The night after we caught that juvenile. I woke up. Something was chattering outside of the window or the motorhome on my ceiling. I looked up and there was a white war dancing on the ceiling and it just went I was inside the motorhome, back and forth. Yeah, I'm nuturally to look at that. Oh no, And I don't know how I deal with that, You lay, What the hell I got up? Yeah? I got up and fully charged dual Better. It's in a mortar rome, gone completely dead. They were completely dead twenty minutes and they come back online full charge. No way, I'm serious. Oh that's crazy, ken, Wow, I know how you explain that? Yeah, you can't. You can't. I don't know. That's the thing.

41:22 So the way I think about it is there's no right or wrong answers yet for the creature because we don't have one captured. So I think it's I think it is like an animal and ape of creature. But it's think of the animals around the world and all the weird stuff they can do. Who's to say that Bigfoot has like these crazy stuff that we have never even thought an animal can do. Like all bets are off travel close. I've never experienced it. But I'm not going to discount it because I've never experienced I only base everything I talk about based on my experience, either in the field or online researching. And people don't understand that I have all the time in the world to do this. Absolutely, you know, I'm seventy. I got all the time, all right. Number two left field. There's a creature in cryptozoology where it's labeled as like a pale crawler humanoid weird thing.

42:22 I don't know if that doesn't ring any bells, don't worry about it, but just the chance. Okay, I've never experienced it personally. I'm not saying they're not out there. Yeah, okay, good example. I'd like to meet the farmer and deer lodge. He's got one of those on a trail camp. Who there's a rancher the deer lodge. His cattle has come up missing, so he put out a bunch of trail camps. He has something like that on one of the trail camps. The farmer, this deer lodge, Montana. Can you get me in touch with him? I'll try too, Young, Okay, I want to go where it was at.

43:02 You got to dude. Oh my goodness. The thing about research field research, you have more questions than answers, absolutely, and the most exciting to do it. The more questions you're going to have. I know the answers, but there's always that one moment when something may happen that you're not a believer. It can make you a believer. When I was asked for i'd never jump out of an airplane. I finally did it. You did it? Yeah, that when I was living in Hawaii. I spent time in Hawaii. It was for there fourteen years. I'm not in Hawaii. You hear about the menonies. Tell me what a small footprint in the Namptite Swamp, which is one of the highest plateau swamps in the world. It's actually the base of the weddest place in the world at four hundred and eighty five inches of raid a year. Wow, what is that little footprint doing up there? The many Hoonies are the ones that built fish pond. They don't they call it the menu Whodi dish. When the Wines got there, Kawai was the first islands the Wine all the Natians landed on. There was already a ditch built and they don't know who built it. Wow, it's perfectly hagled for water flow and everything. And it was right through rocks. Oh, it's got a tunnel and everything. Nobody knows who build It's like our medicine wheel in Wyoming. Nobody knows who built it. It was there when the Native Americans come into that area. What's the medicine wheel. If you're in the air like the Nestec lines, you see it on the ground.

44:32 But if you're in the area, it's a great big wheel which spoke. Okay, the medicine wheel. It's a sacred place for the Native Americans. It was there when they got there. That's wild, dude. You hear the people before, Constant the people before. Are there mounds in Montana, eastern Montana and around the Maddan village Just there's a few, but not what's on the east coast in the intenna like Ohio. Yeah, yeah, the mounts there most of here. I'm sure it's very burial. Okay. And then you don't I respect the natives here, sure, And I don't believe in disturbing them, Absolutely not. If I can get one to talk to me, and once you really get to know it, they will open up.

45:16 I'm hoping this year to sit down with the chief of the Black put up here on out of our lee. Oh well, and sit down with him in the medicine and we talk to him. They know who I am, but it's taking years to build if I'm not close. That's the thing people don't understand, I think, is how long it takes to create relationships like that. It will literally take years. And today's culture doesn't get that. In a world where you can just click I want to be your friend, it's not like that. You have to spend years one and then the other one too. If you look at it. During the pandemic, the reservation, the Big one, the Black one, each of the divit it was shut down. It was closed. You couldn't go in there. Oh wow, up here because you have to drive through to get the plaideat lake now Plantet Lake guinate reports of footprints, something stiky walking on the eat side of Platt Lake. Really so they're here. We don't hear a lot.

46:23 There's more bigfoot sighting than Montella, most people realize. Because we don't talk about it. That's our problem. We're not talking about it. Gotcha, Yeah, I got it. I got it. Thank goodness for the Montana Bigfoot International Research Group. You guys are trying to get all the evidence together. That's awesome, and it takes time. I gotta have it before I die. Come on, now, you'll get it. Don't worry about it. Yeah, I'm actually going to be gold prospecting to see if that oh you always, oh you're gonna you're going to prospect for gold. Hopefully you'll get some Bigfoot evidence at the same time. Okay, yeah, well, yeah, be careful. You got those stories of up in Canada where the prospectors and the just have your eyes behind you. Don't let anyone in a good sense of smell. There you go, there you go. I really appreciate having they come on board. Like I said, this is my first time I've actually talked to somebody about experiences and yeah everything. Yeah. Can I appreciate you coming on and chatting tonight. This has been a really fun chat. There's more going on in Montana than I realized. Do you mind taking a few minutes If you have any closing thoughts, definitely say those, but remind people how they can keep up to date with the Montana Bigfoot International Research Group and how they can contact you and all that kod stuff. They can contact me through my email dog Man one two nine at MSN dot com.

47:54 It's on the domain the ww the Montana Bigfoot Research Group dot com. My Facebook group is a Montana international bik but research group Big but Yeah International Research. But it's on Facebook. You can find it on there. We are private. If somebody wants to join, please answer the questions because the automatically declined and we got to set up that way. We're not a large group, but we're building. We're slowly building, and we have people that have experiences. They're talking about it. You've finally got to talk about it, and we even if you're in Montana, are you coming through and want to spend some time on a field research, get hold of me. We'd welcome. We'll take you out there and be part of it. You might be there when we finally find that one thing we're looking forward to prove what we're looking for. I think how meet that would be? That would be very cool. Ken. It has been a delight chatting with you and I'll definitely be probably touching base with you again in the future, and yeah, it would be a good time. But thanks so much for coming on Ken.

48:59 Thank you for having me and your bike come across something and they exciting. I'll let you know immediately. Fantastic you'll be on the group site. Just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much. Make sure that you're subscribed, share the show with a friend. Really, it's all about sharing the show wherever you can. If you've had a bigfoot encounter related to the following, or know someone who has, please reach out to me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com or pass on my email.

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