Mt. Rainier Sasquatch Research Update from Channel with S.P.E.R.O.

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The gal who answered for that.
It was bizarre because she was typing the

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whole time. She's type in the
whole time taking my encounter. And then

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she asked me a series of questions
and she basically from the series of questions

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deduced that it was not a mountain
lion or a bear. And so she

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said, I'm sorry, we can't
take this report. Welcome back to another

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episode of the big Foot Society podcast. In this episode, and welcome back

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Chanel from Sparrow, a Bigfoot research
group in the Mount Reinier area of Washington

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State. What new observation has Chanel
discovered while going through the woods and trails

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of Mountaineer. Find out this in
more in this week's episode of the big

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Foot Society podcast. All Right,
Big Faciety, We've got a privilege of

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checking in with Chanel tonight. You
may remember her from a man been of

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at least a few months now.
I think we were chatting all about her

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research out in Washington State in the
Mount Rainier area. How's it going,

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Chanel, Hey, it's going great. Thanks for having me back. And

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since we last talk, you guys
have actually come up with a research organization

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which is a sasquatch phenomenon, an
encounter research organization. Correct, Yes,

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and we're calling it Sparrow. We
thought it had a neat little ring to

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it, mainly because one of our
first major pieces of equipment we started using

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was the drone who we lovingly nicknamed
Padrone, like an eye in the sky,

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and sparrow has a ring to it
and we're out in the forest.

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So yeah, just a little plan
on words there, but we did.

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We realized that for everything that we're
doing and how much evidence we're gathering,

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they really started to become a research
organization, and with how many people I've

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been networking with and everything, it
just felt right to slap a name on

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it. What has happened since we
last talked, So we've gone back out

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to Mount Rainier where we recorded those
screams, growls and howls, and we

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keep going back in hopes that we'll
hear it again. And it's been so

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tough going back over and over again
and not a peep, not one peep.

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So it's very interesting how that works. But what's very exciting is we

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just went back out last weekend and
we heard something strange. We heard a

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really weird situation I haven't really told
many people about this, so you're one

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of the first people. But I
did get it recorded, and it's really

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tough because ye was excited and I
get it, and he was talking over

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the audio there, so I only
got a short little portion of it.

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But I am going to be enhancing
that so people can hear the howl in

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the background, because again we got
something that was just out of place.

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So basically what it was, we'd
went on a different portion of Mount Rainier

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than where we had initially heard the
screams, because when we heard the screams,

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they sounded about two to three miles
away. So we've been pretty much

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running like a clockwork radius around the
mountain within a two to three mile area

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outward of where we were. You
know, we've just been checking out different

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sides of the mountain. It felt
like we hit the jackpot because all of

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a sudden, when we first arrived, we heard a bunch of coyotes going

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off, and we don't hear that
a whole lot out here. Coyotes are

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pretty smart, and I think they're
pretty good at avoiding people, and I

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don't think they're going too close to
all the dirt roads, so when we

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heard these kyotes, they sounded way
far off in the distance, and immediately

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we're like, oh, that's coyotes
going off. We got all excited,

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and then the weird part happened.
We heard a howl that was extremely out

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of place. And now, I've
dealt with coyotes for many years. I've

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dealt with different kinds of coyotes too. In Arizona, the kyotes are a

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bit different than the ones out here
and Upping Tahoe. I've dealt with coyotes

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up close and personal with coyotes many
times. So when we heard this howl,

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it was long and drawn out and
much more massive. Now, had

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they all been doing it together and
we heard just maybe one alpha howl of

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maybe one big guy, I would
have understood that. But what was bizarre

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was the minute we heard the second
we heard that long, outstanding howl,

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all the other coyotes immediately stopped.
That was a little weird. It was

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a little weird because it was almost
like, I don't know, did we

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hear a sasquatch letting the coyotes know
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I don't know what it was,
but it was bizarre. What else was

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strange was in all the times I've
dealt with coyotes, they don't usually come

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right up to you unless you've got
like a small dog and they're used to

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a neighborhood and they've been scouting you
out or something. I think it's pretty

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odd for a group of coyotes to
just come up to you when we were

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clearly making noise human noise. We
weren't. We were completely making human noise

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or being very loud any other situation. I felt like they would have just

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took off or just been quiet,
especially after that mainhell shut them up.

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But it was so bizarre because they
came up to us, almost to the

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car. It was just such a
strange situation. It was like, I

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don't know, I don't know what
that was, and it just seemed very

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odd. But a lot of people
I hear, after reading so many reports

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and pouring over so much research online, I hear a lot of people talking

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about these theories of coyotes and sasquatch
either working together or being heard on the

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same proximity or I don't know,
if they're hunting is similar, and maybe

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they're competing for hunting territory. I'm
not sure what's going on, but you

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do find these correlations with kyote and
sasquatch. So that was really interesting,

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and I did get a couple audio
recordings of that that I'm excited to share.

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The whole coyote and sasquatch thing is
very interesting. It's come up a

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few times in interviews lately, and
mostly it's when I talk to people it's

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coyotes and sasquatch, so like maybe
working together. There is one interview I've

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had where Mary Fabian was relating a
story where they came upon a coyote that

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had been just mangled by something they
believed was a sasquatch and just left there.

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And because it had to have been
something with opposable thumbs to actually break

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the neck and back like that.
But wow, it's very fascinating, definitely,

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that one large loud howl that just
seemed to silence the rest of them

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and really makes you wonder what's going
on up in that area. I know

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you had been also doing some research
with research requests with different organizations in Washington.

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Is that a thing where they're still
sending you things slowly or is there

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any updates with that at all?
Yeah, that's a great question. In

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fact, I've been working on an
edit with a lot of that information that

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I'm going to be posting on my
TikTok soon. I'm almost finished up with

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it, and I feel like it'll
answer a lot of questions in terms of

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what we've received. But I will
say, yes, they have told us

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that they're going to continue to send
us documents. I think it was every

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six months. I'm not sure why
they put time on it. I have

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no idea. I don't know why. It's really bizarre, So I'll just

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be honest with you. They told
us that they had ninety thousand hits when

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we went to them. I should
say when Kevin went to them, because

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Kevin is the one who made the
formal boy A request. So when he

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went in there, he said Bigfoot
YETI skunk gape all the various names that

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anyone would be referring to Bigfoot in
these reports. And so he the person

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had emailed him back and said,
look, we've had We've got over ninety

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thousand hits for that. They were
like, do you want to refine the

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search? So of course we were
like, okay, we'll refine the search.

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And so we refined the search narrowed
it down to just a few keywords,

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and it really is bizarre to me
because it went from being ninety thousand

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hits too they sent us thirty five
documents thirty five and then they told us

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then they told us, we'll send
you thirty five every six months. Well

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that would take us what twenty five
years? Yea? What is that?

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It just goes to show how frustrating
that Freedom of Information Act is because they

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can essentially omit anything that they want
to, really, and it's very frustrating

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because it's like, how on earth
are you going to tease a fuck that?

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It's been really tough. Yeah,
I could see how that would be

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frustrating. That was for the entire
state, right Yeah, which is obviously

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why there were so many hits.
Right now, I feel like I should

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just start sharing these theories and these
things I want to say before somebody else

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does, or before people I talked
to hit the fan first. But I'll

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tell you I have some theories here
about what's going on. Obviously Number one

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is I feel like they want us
to give up. This is obvious that

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this is a huge situation where you
know, it does not make sense to

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only stend us thirty five documents every
six months. That is ridiculous. So

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obviously it's a situation where it feels
like they want us to give up.

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But I really do feel like this
is a situation where we're dealing with something

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classified, because that's really the only
way that they're gonna be able to omit

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things is either if it deals with
national security or if it's classified information.

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Now I don't really see bigfoot as
being a national security issue. I really

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don't. Now that leaves one of
the option that it's sified, and I

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start thinking about it, and the
longer I think about it, it makes

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more sense because I personally was someone
who attempted to make a report when I

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had an encounter with Katie when we
were hiking, because at that point I

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was not doing running research. I
was just on a normal hike. I

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was just a normal hiker on a
normal day, and of course I was

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stopping and looking at big foot stuff, and that was the day I had

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actually filmed that cave, and so
I was into the big Foot in that

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moment, into the big Foot thing
in that moment, But it wasn't like

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a serious research day. It was
just me hiking. So when we had

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this terrifying encounter where all of a
sudden, the ground's being pounded so hard

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that it's making the ground shake beneath
our feet from thirty feet away, and

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something's beating its chest at us and
pounding the ground. That was terrifying.

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And it was obviously a massive animal, or at least that's what it felt

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like. And initially before we heard
the chest beating, before that moment where

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it beat its chest, it was
just the pounding on the ground. And

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your first instinct is to turn around
and look for a grizzly bear running at

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you, because I can't think of
anything that could be large enough to make

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the earth shake from thirty fet away
unless it's a grizzly bear run in full

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speed pounding the ground at you.
And so instinctively that's what we were looking

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for, was a grizzly and grizzly
are making their way back into Washington and

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I had found some massive bear tracks
out there in the snow. Instinctively,

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I'm thinking, gosh, this is
a bear. But then obviously, as

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the encounter progressed, it clearly was
not a bear. However, I felt

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it was my duty as a hiker
to either warn other hikers that are going

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to be in the area or let
Fish and Wildlife know, let you know,

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whoever, whatever service or authorities need
to know that there was a potentially

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aggressive animal encounter that I'd had and
if there is an animal there that has

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the ability to attack someone, I
think it's their duty to make sure the

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hikers are safe. And so I
attempted to file an official report, and

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essentially they wouldn't let me. And
that was the part I was so shocked

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about. And it was also bizarre
because the whole time I was telling my

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story to the woman at Fish and
Wildlife for the animal aggressive animal encounter a

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report. The gal who answered for
that, it was bizarre because she was

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typing the whole time. She's type
in the whole time taking my encounter,

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and then she asked me a series
of questions and she basically from the series

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of questions, deduced that it was
not a mountain lion or a bear.

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And so she said, I'm sorry, we can't take this report. She

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goes, but let them know.
I'll let everybody know, but I can't

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officially take the report. That was
the part for me that was such a

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huge red flag and kind of reiterated
for me that I do think this may

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be a situation that's classified, because
if reports were allowed to be taken of

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these sasquatch encounters, that would mean
they'd be legally required to share said reports.

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And it makes you think, if
you can't take it as an official

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one, if you take it as
unofficial, where did the unofficial reports go

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exactly? And that's where my little
undercover interview comes into play. I posted

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a few videos on my TikTok about
me. I just said, whatever,

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if we have to just do this
off the record or undercover and I can

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protect people's identities, I'm going to
do it. So I changed everybody's voices,

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made sure to protect everybody's identities.
But we had a guy right there

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in the main office. There were
a bunch of people working there, and

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I said, can I speak to
your supervisor? And he'd been there for

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fifteen years and he told me to
my face and I got it recorded.

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He said, oh, yeah,
we just delete those emails, We just

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delete those reports, or we send
them off. Basically, he said,

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we just send them off and they
just disappear. That's wild. Oh my

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goodness, they just get deleted,
he said, he just said it.

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They could go so, oh yeah, we delete those ones. And I'm

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thinking to myself, so you're telling
me hikers have terrifying encounters with massive animals

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and you just delete that and that
just goes away, and that's this is

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the point where it's okay, we
gotta do something about this. This is

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not okay. I really hope at
some point we can find a way to

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I don't know, figure out how
to properly work with fish and wildlife and

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for a service to start recognizing the
possibility that the species exists and therefore allowing

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reports to be taken. And it's
almost like you have to somehow intercept the

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people that are going to give reports
to them and be like, hey,

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talk to me instead. Yeah,
no, kid, I think that's what

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people are doing. I think,
and you know what, people like yourself,

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you really are an outlet for those
of us who are either turned away.

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Yeah, and we just have to
share our story elsewhere. So thank

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you for that, and also for
people who are afraid. There was a

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moment of hesitation where Katie and I
sat there in the car and we really

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thought about it. I thought,
should I report this We really thought about

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it, because of course I don't
want to bother authorities with anything that's petty

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or stupid. I would only bother
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in danger, and someone's life could
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only reason I would ever be contacting
authorities. So we really thought about it,

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and I can only imagine how many
people have thought about it and decided

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no, I'm not going to go
to the authorities, and how many more

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stories are out there. And I'm
really glad that, like I said,

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that you're doing what you're doing,
because now we are starting to hear these

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stories more often, and people are
feeling less afraid because now they realize there's

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a community of us that are avid
outdoorsmen and hikers and hunters and campers,

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and it's happening. It's really actually
happening, and it's not just make believe

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stories and made for TV. It's
really occurring. Oh. Absolutely, Have

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you considered maybe doing a second foil
where you focus on a geographic area like

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Mount Rainier or the state park in
that area, etc. Instead of the

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whole state to see what happens.
Yeah, definitely, absolutely, We've thought

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about a number of ways that we
can just blast out a ton of requests.

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Just didn't file a ton of requests. But the problem is what good

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will that do us. We're definitely
going to do that. We're definitely gonna

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do it anyways. You can't just
say no to something. We're definitely gonna

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do it. But I gotta be
honest with the joke of what they sent

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us on this one. I don't
even I think it would just be the

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same kind of joke stuff. They're
just sending us junk emails and silly links

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to like stories and articles that are
just it just basically is like employees joking

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about sasquatch back and forth to each
other. Sure, and it's bizarre that

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they would do that because we requested
reports. It really makes you wonder,

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since the last time you were on
the podcast, did you have anyone reach

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out to you after hearing your interview? Absolutely? And it's really cool because

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I like it almost seems like every
week I have a new person that reaches

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out to me and is just really
curious. It's the way their tone is

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that there they were nonbelievers before,
or they thought it was all just silly,

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or they thought it was all just
hoaxy bologny, and then they hear

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my story. And I think when
people hear sincere stories and they hear the

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tone in your voice and they hear
how serious you are, it actually it

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does it makes it very real for
people. So yes, definitely, I

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thought a few people reach out and
be like, wow, this is pretty

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crazy, and I'm like, yeah, you're telling me, Oh, do

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do you guys have any contacts with
anyone on Native American lands in the Mount

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Reinier area. No, not specifically, Not specifically, they'd be fantastic,

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because man, there are so many
private lands out there that are just untouched

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for hundreds of years. We go
out there sometimes and we'll just look out

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over a ridge and we'll think to
ourselves, nobody has stepped foot over there

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in hundreds of years. It's just
a fact. It's just a fact.

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And you know, I think maybe
a lot of people will get upset with

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me about this because I don't know. I'm quite outspoken, and I'm pretty

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firm in my opinions because I usually
formulate my opinions based on research and experience,

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real world experience. But a lot
of people hate me for my opinions.

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But whatever, I'm going to say, I think there's this great lie

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told in society that there's not enough. There's not enough land, there's not

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enough room, there's not enough for
us, there's not enough, there's not

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enough, there's not enough, there's
not enough whatever. It's just like this

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great lie that's told that there's not
enough. Because I go out to some

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of these remote locations and as far
as the eye can see is nothing but

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untouched wilderness that, for a fact, nobody has gone out for, like

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I said, hundreds of years.
It's really funny because I think people get

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into these narratives and they it's almost
fear based. I think there's a lot

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of fear of why people are not
going on hikes. More often people will

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be like, gosh, I can't
believe you hike, Like you're fraid you're

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gonna get eaten by a bear,
And I'm like, I've been face to

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face with bears many times and they're
totally not aggressive. It's only going to

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happen with a black bear. But
black bear is not going to just attack

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you for no reason. I think
there's just this huge notion of fear that

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we need to stay out of the
forest, don't even hike in the forest

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because you need to leave Bigfoot alone
and you need to leave the forest.

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B And it's listen, do we
want millions of people going hiking on the

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same day and destroying the woods?
Of course not. But a lot of

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fear holds a lot of people back
from actually getting out there and experiencing potentially

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you never know, it's just random
how it happens, but getting out there

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themselves and experiencing what we're experiencing.
Because the more you're hanging out at home

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watching that Netflix show, the more
you're binge watching the TV show, the

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more you're sitting at home indoors,
the less time you're having out in the

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woods, and the less time potentially
having an encounter. So it makes sense

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to these people who spend their whole
lives not getting out on hikes and not

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going out camping and not going out
in the forest, it makes sense why

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they sit online and dictate from their
couch and say this isn't really happening and

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you guys are crazy and this or
that, and it's like, all right,

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man, get out in the woods
and go see for yourself. Really,

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is the point I'm trying to make
here is such a good thing to

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bring up, because I would have
to say a lot of the listeners have

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never even gone to a local state
park or a state forest in their area,

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and you look on a map,
there are so many almost every state.

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They're out there, and usually you
can get to them for free.

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Be prepared, but worth checking out
for sure. The thing I like about

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you is that I know you are
constantly researching. And the thing I like

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about research is when you start to
notice the same little thing starts to pop

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up in different areas and you start
making connections. Have you started to notice

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anything lately about bigfoot that you've just
been like, that's weird. I keep

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seeing that come up and there might
be something there. Yes, you're full

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of great questions sight, which I
really appreciate. Sometimes it's easy for me

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to get overexcited and lose my train
of thoughts. So this is perfect.

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It's fantastic you should bring that up, because yes, there is one specific

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oddity that I've noticed that I'm very
aware of now and now I look everywhere

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for it, and I crack myself
up because I'm like, Okay, yeah,

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I feel like now I can confidently
say this is related to sasquatch.

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So we obviously already loosely A lot
of people in the Bigfoot community already know

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about tree breaks, right, and
we know about the perfect ninety degree angles,

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or the way in which these trees
are unnaturally broken or seemingly unnaturally broken,

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or no other possible way in our
known world, known physical world for

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these things to be happening, right, So we already I didn't know about

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tree breaks, but I don't know
if a lot of people know about the

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tree tops missing, the treetops just
completely missing. This is so strange to

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me. When we go out,
we hit so many dirt roads. We

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go down endless amounts of dirt roads, and some of the dirt roads are

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so tight the bushes are coming in
the windows and oh, my gosh,

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I need a new paint job I
truck. But we started noticing that the

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tops of these trees were missing.
And what was odd about it was that

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they looked like they'd been twisted off. They didn't look like they'd been cut

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with a tool at all. They
didn't look like beaver teeth markings or anything

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of that nature. They didn't look
like wind damage or snow. It didn't

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look like when the snow gets real
heavy impacts down and breaks a tree.

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We even considered because a lot of
it was on the side of the roads.

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We've been considered maybe this is the
result of the snow plows on a

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certain season coming by when the snow's
real high, and the plow will just

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accidentally chunk up the trees that are
on the side. But none of it

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made sense because we would measure height, we would measure okay, the snow

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plow is going to be here or
the snow, and then we thought about

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there wasn't even not much snow on
these last few seasons, so we started

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a factor and obviously, as you
do with research, like what makes sense

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and what doesn't, and so nothing
was adding up the fact that these and

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they're usually either baby trees. They're
either new young pine trees with the top

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completely twisted off, in the top
nowhere to be found, not chewed off,

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not hacked off, twist it off, crudely twisted it off. And

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we've tried to do it ourselves.
You can take a piece of a branch

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and just twist it and twist it
till it comes off. You can't even

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do These things are healthy like thick, strong, you'd have to be sitting

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there for three hours, and I
don't I just don't see people. It'd

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be one thing to find one or
two of them and maybe someone was bored

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for three hours and the top of
tree off. But it's happening so often

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that it's that's not the case.
And the other ones are not just these

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little new young pine trees, but
it's also these thinner, longer trees.

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And I really need to find out
the exact specio tree that it is,

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because at this point I need to
figure out why they're using these specific kinds.

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But they seem to be the same
type where they're the really thin branchy

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ones that kind of just a bunch
of branches sprout out from the ground.

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But they're really thick and strong,
and they're usually pretty healthy. They're not

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like old dead ones. They're usually
pretty healthy ones. And they're usually about

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i'd say two inches thick. They're
not too thick. They're not like huge

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sticks, binny means or branches,
I should say. But it's just so

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bizarre because they'll be twisted off at
I don't know, seven feet up,

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six feet up, just twist just
the tops, twist off. And it's

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bizarre too, because it almost looks
as though they're happening in chunk like,

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little chunky areas. So how do
I explain this? So let's say you're

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driving down the road and you look
over to your left and six or seven

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of these thin, whispy branches that
about five six feet up, sometimes seven

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feet up, almost looks like someone
just went through that one little specific patch

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and just twisted off all the tops
on that one little patch. Then you

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drive down a little ways further and
maybe two miles down the road again,

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but some of them will be older, like you're like, huh, that

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looks like those ones were twisted off
the season before. So it's almost it

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seems like we're seeing evidence of these
seasonal twist offs, and they're happening all

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over. And if anyone wants to, I challenge anybody to just pay attention

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the next time you're out on a
hike, or pay attention next time you

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see a bunch of these thinner,
smaller trees, like almost like Bushey style

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trees, and just pay attention when
you see the brakes and you see the

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way the trees naturally break and fall, and that's what I've been doing last

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what I was saying earlier, I've
been doing that lately. And you don't

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see that. You're not going to
look around and normally on an average in

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an average area where you wouldn't think
sasquach would be, you're not going to

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see that. You're not just going
to look around and see trees twists with

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the tops twisted off up at five
and six feet. It's just not normal.

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So I challenge anybody to tell me
what they think that is. And

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at this point I do have a
lot of video evidence of that that I

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do need to share as well.
That is fascinating. I'm gonna keep my

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ear out for that as well.
Twisted off that high up in bunches of

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groups like that, man really makes
you wonder. It makes you wonder.

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And sometimes there'll be a big group
of them that have been twisted off,

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I don't know, fifty or sixty
of them. That's when we thought maybe

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it was a plow, because we're
like, this is a lot up,

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but no, this must have just
been a good area. I don't know.

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Yeah, And I've pondered what's going
on here, and I think my

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closest theory, my instinctive theory is
that these not the pine trees, but

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the thinner, whispier ones that I
just described. I think maybe they're using

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those for nesting, because there they
seem like they'd be good for weaving.

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If you're I'm thinking, if I'm
eight nine foot tall, what seven hundred

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pounds, those would be the right
size for weaving for me to make something

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sturdy but weavable. Very interesting.
Yeah, So I get excited now when

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I see those because I think,
Wow, are we near nesting grounds?

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Definitely keep me posted on that.
After the last time that I chatted with

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you, did you have any people
reach out to you with feedback about the

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audio that we played at all with
thoughts on that? Yes, yeah,

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I sure did. Yep, same
thing, same thing. It was like

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people who really didn't didn't believe.
We're just I don't know what this is.

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This is really crazy. What is
this? I think people assume when

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you say I've got audio big Foot, they assume they're going to listen and

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it's gonna be coyotes or it's gonna
be a fox or a mountain line.

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And that is what happens a lot. And I've made that mistake as well,

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at one point we thought a couple
of barred owls were sasquatch whooping at

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us. But what happens to the
best of us that we mistake other animals

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for creepy, mysterious things, maybe
even possibly cryptids. When people hear it

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and they actually play the audio and
they turn it up and they listen,

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and I've got a few versions flying
around now on my Instagram because things change

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once you enhance them, and the
feedback it's really crazy, and I want

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people to hear the different versions I
have so they can understand that I'm being

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very transparent here. I'm not trying
to edit anything or hoax anything. So

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I think when people hear it,
they hear the number one comment I actually

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get is I can hear how scared
you were? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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That's usually the number one comment.
So I think coupled with the fact

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that number one they can't tell themselves
what animals they're hearing, and number two

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they hear how terrified I am.
Yeah, people have been hitting me up.

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WHOA, Yeah, no doubt.
I'm just waiting for the one person

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to contact you and be like,
you know what, I heard that same

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thing in the Pacific request, and
you just you know it's going to happen

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one day that I just know who, and you know what. Other day

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that I'm excited for is for us
to get it recorded again at closer proximity.

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I do have faith, and I
feel very excited about right now.

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This is the time when it's just
beautiful out. We're finally getting sunshine.

406
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We're able to get out there now
way more often than we could obviously in

407
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.799
the winter and a lot of the
road closures and stuff and weather, and

408
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:16.240
so now we're hitting it again to
you one, two, three times a

409
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:22.759
week. And I just still very
confident that if I continue the same pattern

410
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:28.680
of vocalizations and calls that I was
making that got us that recording, Because

411
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I do believe Kevin's a little in
between, he's not too sure. I

412
00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:36.839
do appreciate that about him, that
he doesn't just cater to what I'm thinking

413
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:40.279
because we're a team. I like
that he obviously stays firm in his own

414
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:45.200
thoughts and theories and what he thinks
happened, or if anyways he thinks it

415
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:50.079
was a coincidence, he does.
He's of the mind that it was coincidental

416
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:54.000
that we heard those screams that night, but I'm not I firmly believe that

417
00:33:54.079 --> 00:34:00.480
the reason they gave us that grand
display it had to do with the fact

418
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that I had been making Sasquatch calls
all over that whole mountain the whole day.

419
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:10.480
We had driven that mountain for six
hours, and I was hanging out

420
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:16.880
the window at every turn. I
pretty much lost my voice. And yeah,

421
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:22.159
we have a silly term for it, but we call it chumming for

422
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:27.719
chum in the area. We want
them to know. And I also want

423
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:30.119
the Sasquatch in the area to get
used to hearing my voice, to get

424
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:35.719
used to hearing what my specific Sasquatch
call sounds like, because I want them

425
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:39.320
to remember. I want them to
remember that night that we heard you.

426
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:44.800
We heard you, une and allin
and we hollered back. And I can't

427
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:47.079
wait for that to happen again.
And I do feel confident that it is

428
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:52.840
going to happen, especially after last
week. We were out hooting and hollering

429
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:57.760
and making our calls, and all
of a sudden, coyotes start going off

430
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:01.880
and we hear the main big guy
just how when top of the lungs super

431
00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:07.199
loud way out of place, not
a coyote howe. So I got very

432
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:08.880
excited because I was like, Oh
my gosh, is this going to be

433
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:14.480
a thing? Now? Are they
going to And what's unfortunate is I don't

434
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:17.440
know, truly, can't know unless
you do the research, and you can't

435
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:22.119
know unless you actually get out there
and do it. But I can't know

436
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:29.760
for certain if these if they're making
these calls aggressively, if they're if they

437
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:35.639
are mistaking me for another sasquatch,
for a territorial dispute. I don't speak

438
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:40.880
their language, so maybe I'm accidentally
screaming f you to the sasquatch. That's

439
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:45.679
a good point. I don't know. But what I do know is we

440
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:52.960
have to move forward with getting better
footage, quality footage. We have to

441
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:57.400
move forward with getting quality audio.
We need more than just run more heads

442
00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:02.400
recordings. It's been way too long, exactly. Yeah. So I am

443
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:07.639
doing what I need to do in
order to get that. But I'm also

444
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.840
trying to view this from an aspect
of wildlife photography. So there's a lot

445
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:20.400
to it. There's a lot of
angles. Have you guys been integrating any

446
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:27.800
new technology or devices as part of
your research since the last time that we

447
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:32.039
talked. I don't recall the last
time we spoke if we'd had the thermal

448
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:38.679
already. We use the thermal a
lot now, Okay, nice, Yeah,

449
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:43.920
I don't recall how long Kevin's had
that thermal. But we're in the

450
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:46.880
beginning. We were tinkering with it, trying to get used to it and

451
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:51.079
see how it worked and make sure
we know how to dial it in just

452
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:55.039
right. And we both feel really
comfortable with it now. And so I'm

453
00:36:55.079 --> 00:37:01.199
hoping Kevin still needs to do an
upload, but I'm hoping that we got

454
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:06.440
it on camera because I was still
figuring the equipment out. That's one thing

455
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:08.719
people need to understand too, is
you need time to figure out new equipment

456
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:14.119
when you buy it, right.
I was half struggling with figuring out while

457
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:17.360
I was viewing, looking through the
viewfinder, figuring out where that darn record

458
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:21.679
button was. I kept hitting the
wrong button. So I'm praying that we

459
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:28.039
got it recorded because something was standing
upright on two feet, hiding behind a

460
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:32.519
tree and not hiding well behind that
tree, and it was bizarre and it

461
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.920
was large, and of course it
was on our way out, and it

462
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:40.159
was very late, and it was
we'd been out there all night long,

463
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:45.920
and we tried to back up and
get it again. And so by the

464
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:50.199
time we slowly drove by and I
go stop, there's something there, hit

465
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:53.440
the record button and I'm hoping I
got it in time, and then we

466
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:59.079
backed up and it was gone,
just completely gone. We absolutely could not

467
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:02.559
find it. And I'm talking,
we're looking too thermal. But the problem

468
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:07.920
is that people need to understand with
thermal is incredible, right. You hear

469
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:10.599
thermal and you're just like cool,
you can see everything. Not true.

470
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:17.719
Someone can hide behind a nice wet, thick, dense tree out here and

471
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:22.880
they go the thermal goes blind.
You can't see them, and these woods

472
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:28.559
are dense. So the problem is
for us to really get something solid on

473
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:30.320
thermal, it is going to need
to be close, and it is going

474
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:36.159
to need to not have much coverage, which is really tough out here.

475
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:38.119
Everything pretty much has coverage because again, like I said, we backed up

476
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:42.760
and it was gone. I couldn't
see it too thick. Wow. Was

477
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:49.800
that the similar area that you recorded
those calls or a completely different area?

478
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:52.679
Yes, indeed, similar area,
similar area. It was later on in

479
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:55.199
the night, similar area because we
had to move on, because we stayed

480
00:38:55.199 --> 00:39:00.079
in that area after we heard the
house and who we stayed there for I

481
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:02.320
don't know, maybe half an hour, forty five minutes. And you can

482
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:07.159
only linger so long before you start
to think, am I just hanging out

483
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:09.760
for coyotes? What was that?
You know? And you got to move

484
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:15.599
forward. So we went on for
a couple more hours to three hours,

485
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:19.320
and then on the way back out
not too far from where it was where

486
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:23.719
we saw that. I'm just so
excited because I know the more we do

487
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:27.559
this, the more we have boots
on the ground, really out there a

488
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:31.159
lot in the Bigfoot capital of the
world, We're gonna get stuff for everybody.

489
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:36.159
I know how tired everybody is of
seeing the blurry photos, the bad

490
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.639
videos, the pixelated re shares.
And I did mention that on my Instagram

491
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:44.840
that I'm trying to bring original content
only. I'm trying not to do a

492
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:51.519
bunch of blurry, pixelated stuff that
I don't know that just isn't really benefiting

493
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:57.599
the research community. I'm trying my
best to only bring what what's going to

494
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:01.639
help move this thing forward. So
right now I'm really just working with those

495
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:07.079
audio recordings there. That's my baby
right now, so I can't wait to

496
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.840
get more, and of course the
second I get more, I'll be posting

497
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:19.039
it and showing everybody that's awesome.
It has been a extremely fun time catching

498
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.920
up with you, is Chanel,
and I'm so glad that you contacted me

499
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:29.639
before we head out. Are there
any final thoughts that you would want to

500
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:35.079
share with the listeners? First of
all, thank you, yeah, thanks

501
00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:42.360
for having me back. And I
guess my little parting message to everybody would

502
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:50.639
be keep an open mind to to
having your own experience in going out into

503
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:54.880
the woods, obviously safely and do
it in a smart way, and don't

504
00:40:54.920 --> 00:41:00.119
go by yourself obviously, But for
people who want to get out there or

505
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:06.519
an experience it themselves, just listen, just pay attention and listen. And

506
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:12.639
the longer you start to spend time
in the forest listening, watching, paying

507
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:20.159
attention, noticing the small subtleties of
the forest, really soaking it in and

508
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:28.679
just growing in your outdoor connection,
that's when I think people start to realize

509
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:36.000
that there are more sasquatched howls and
growls and grunts and just general noises that

510
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:39.800
are occurring that I think people aren't
even realizing or maybe even don't notice because

511
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:44.719
they're just I don't know, distracted, or maybe not out there enough,

512
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:49.719
or maybe on their phone or listening
to the headphones or I don't know,

513
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:52.840
just all the things that may happen
to where you miss it because it's easy

514
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:58.199
to miss. It happens very quick, it doesn't last long, very few

515
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:02.280
and far between, and that I
think is a big contributing reason to why

516
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:09.119
we have so little hard evidence is
because it happens so quickly like that,

517
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:14.239
and the more people that really start
to pay attention and listen and observe,

518
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:19.599
I think the easier this will be
for the general public to start really absorbing

519
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:24.920
and grasping that this is very real. I agree. How can people get

520
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:31.360
in touch with yr Chanel to share
any information that they may have that would

521
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:38.719
help you out in your research.
Yeah, I'm pretty active on Instagram and

522
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:45.719
I've just started posting things on my
Instagram in regards to sasquatch. Yeah,

523
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:50.239
everybody can find me on Instagram at
squatch search. I was shocked I was

524
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:55.079
able to get that Instagram handle,
but it's squatch Search just as it sounds.

525
00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:01.639
And I'm also on TikTok and that
one is clue Foria, and I

526
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:07.679
always tell everybody my clue Forooria stuff
is also just my recreational fun band fiction

527
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.000
stuff too, so I have a
little bit of both on there. But

528
00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:14.559
if you want, if you're looking
just for sasquatch stuff, squatch search is

529
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:16.719
the area and I will definitely get
your message if you write me there.

530
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:22.280
Thanks so much for coming on again, Chanelle, Thank you so much for

531
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:30.840
having me. After the recording of
this episode, Chanelle's TikTok on Foia request

532
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:37.960
in Washington State regarding Bigfoot was picked
up by many large news outlets and many

533
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:45.360
of her research related TikTok's disappeared off
the platform. This removal was not initiated

534
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:51.679
by Chanelle, and she is currently
trying to figure out why her information has

535
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:55.400
been removed. We have big for
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536
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