Sept. 3, 2025

Night of the Sasquatch! | Washington

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Season 1

What happens when decades of Bigfoot obsession finally lead to one moonlit night in the shadow of Mount Baker — and a creature that defied every expectation? In this gripping episode of Bigfoot Society, we sit down with Robert Evans, a longtime researcher whose journey spans Florida, Georgia, Washington, Canada, and beyond.


Robert recounts his early brush with the unknown in the Chattahoochee mountains, his years of fruitless treks through the Cascades, and the moment everything changed in 2012 — when a massive figure on all fours glided across a floodplain and leapt over a fallen log in front of him. You’ll also hear the untold story of the Finding Bigfoot drone expedition that captured incredible thermal footage… only to lose it to a string of failures.

From Walla Walla roars to high-tech drone hunts in Ohio and California, Robert’s story reveals both the triumph and heartbreak of chasing evidence of the elusive Sasquatch. More than just a sighting, this is a saga of obsession, technology, and the mystery that refuses to let go.

Robert currently uses a Mavic 2 Thermal drone at 640x512.



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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's account comes from a man who spent years chasing

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shadows through the Cascades, and then one night under a

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full moon, found himself staring at something that changed his

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entire paradigm. What he saw is unlike nothing that you've

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heard on the show so far. This is the story

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of Robert Evans' bigfoot researcher and drone enthusiast. So stay

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with us, all right, Big for Society. You've got the

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privilege of talking to Robert Evans today. Robert is an

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individual who has decades of bigfooting experience in the Pacific Northwest.

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It's currently down there in Costa Rica. But I was

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able to connect with him to really get some interesting

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things he's had happened over the years. We'll be talking

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about that and maybe also a little bit of information

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about what it was like to be involved with the

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last episode of Finding Bigfoot. So welcome to the show.

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How are you doing today?

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Hey, I'm great.

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How are you having a great day? It's not too

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bad out here in the Midwest of the US. So

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always fun to talk to people about their experiences over

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the years. But you know, Robert, it sounds like we

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have a lot of really interesting things to talk about,

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so I think for this one, do you mind sharing

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what it was that first brought you into the field

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of bigfoot to begin with?

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Yeah. Absolutely, So I had a potential sighting. I'll tell

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you I've only had one definitive sighting, which we'll get

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into later. But I had a potential sighting when I

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was seventeen that piqued my interest and got me into

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big footing, got me host you know, I even had

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an experience before that that I didn't think was think

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good until later when I learn more about it, And

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I can go back and tell you about that. Well,

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but I'll tell you first about the when I was seventeen.

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So I at the time I was living and going

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to high school in our Bookworts in Florida and can

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do Like in ninth grade, we had a summer class,

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a bushcraft class with sham and Rick Shawnee taught us,

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you know, how to make shelters, how to build fires,

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and all that good stuff. And so my friends and

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I after that, when I turned sixteen and got my

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driver's license, we would head through Georgia to the mountains

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to go camping. We would go like all the time.

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Sometimes we'd leave right after school on Friday and go

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then you know, Friday night out there, drive six or

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seven hours whatever it was. And we had rules. We

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didn't really didn't think of bigfoots at all at the time,

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but we had rules. No electronics, no flash lights, no.

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We wanted to be you know, with nature as much

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as we could. And that was great because we got

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to see like a wild fox and like it was

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awesome nature wires, you know, getting out there and in uh,

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we're in UH. I think it was Chattahoochee's That is

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the area in Georgia where the mountains start to come.

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And on this one trip, we were hiking along a

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river and after two days of hiking, we first found

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an area that was kind of weird. It had UH well,

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first we thought it was trash. We're going to us

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with two friends, Chris and Robbie, and they were the

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super nerves. The three of us were like top of

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our class dance, calculus and UH and physics and all

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that good stuff. Anyway, we found this clearing and at

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first we thought it was trash and then we looked

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and it was really weird. It was like a candy

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wrapper that was perfectly folded and sat down, and then

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something else right next to it, and then there was

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I remember, a single blue top blur se and was

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just sitting there. And when we saw our stuff, we're like, okay,

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let's leave it. Like maybe there's a psycho in the woods.

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It was like collecting stuff and leaving it. So we

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left all that stuff. We went a little bit further

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and we set up our cann In the morning, I

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had I got up break before dawn to go to

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the bathroom, and I went behind our shelter. We made

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our own shelters, like just with the tarb but also

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like trees of the cut and bent and everything. It

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was awesome. Anyway, I was going to go to the

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bathroom and I went up this little hill behind us,

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and I saw something peering out of the right side

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of this tree, and it was smaller than me. And

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to this day, I'm not sure if it was a

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bear or I think it might have been a juvenile's

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squatch because of what happened later. So I charged at

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it to scare it, because if it's a bear and

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you're you're supposed to try and scare them off, so

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that's what I get. I charged up the hill and

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they ducked behind the tree as I was charging at it.

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And then I got up to the tree and I

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looked behind it, and there's nothing there, And the other

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side of the hill was kind of a little bit

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lit from the dawn. At this point, I expected to

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see whatever it was going down the other side of

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the hill, but I didn't see anything, and I didn't

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hear anything. Then when it dawned on me, whatever it is,

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it's in the tree right above me. I didn't even

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look up. I just folded and went right back to

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our shelters. And then when I got back, Robbie, the

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Indian kid, was coming from the other direction, and he

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looked pasts spoken and we both said to each other,

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let's just pack it up and get out of here.

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And Chris didn't like that because we were supposed to

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stay a few more days. So we packed it up.

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We hiked like a death march all day until nighttime

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to get back to the car, and then we uh

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We checked into a nearby motel, really stinky, three of us,

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and then in the morning, on the drive back to Florida,

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Robbie says to us, guys, I got to tell you something.

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The other morning I went I was going to go

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to the bathroom, and across the creek from me, I

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saw like a huge, seven foot hairy thing in it.

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And I hadn't even told him what I saw. So

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you know, for hours we're like, oh, was it a

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guy in gilly suit? Was it? This? Was it? No? No, no,

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it was a big slip. And so that's what sparked

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the interest for me. I think I caught a glimpse

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of a juvenile and he saw an adult male at

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the same time and did it. That's that's what got

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me into big flitting.

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I'm not point zero nine.

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When I got hired by Microsoft in two thousand, I

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was so excited to go squatching in the Pacific Northwest,

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and I got out there as often as I could.

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I eaten went so far as with two friends of mine.

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We rented a seaplane to take us. I into the Cascades,

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landed in an area inaccessible by trail on a floatplane,

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and for two weeks we did roughing it camping up

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there in the Cascades. Not a single tree knock, not

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a single luck howl or anything. Unfortunately, no luck. But man,

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I was trying, and you know, every chance I got,

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I go out camping and just walk in the trails

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at night, I get up a bore dawn and go

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out on the trails. And I didn't have much luck.

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For gosh, for twelve years, I didn't have any luck.

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You can though. I tried a lot, and I think

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what turned it around for me was around two thousand

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and eleven. I contacted BFRO and I said, hey, guys,

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I was working at Microsoft at this plane, and I said,

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I'll build your BFR Windows app. And I'm like sure,

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And so I started building their app, and I got

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direct access to what's called flats is the BFRO back end,

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so I could see reports when they came in before

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they were made public. At the same time, through Microsoft,

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I was doing a ton of work in Vancouver, Canada,

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and there was a large group of developers that was

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working there and we were working on the Windows eight

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and eight point one, and so I was going back

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and forth between Seattle and Vancouver, Canada every week. And

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I said to my manager, you know, this is horrible

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because I'm basically driving on Saturday you know, we're on Friday.

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Two days are wasted because of the driving, and I said,

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I want to have three day weeks and he said yes.

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For two years, I got to basically work three days

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a week and enjoy the beautiful drive up to Vancouver,

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Canada and splatch on the way up and splatch on

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the web back for two years, hitting all the hotspots

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between Seattle and Vancouver, Canada. That was That was my deal.

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That was one of the happiest times of my life.

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That odd.

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Wow, that is That is fantastic. And as we were

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talking before the show started, I used to be a

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tech guy myself. I used to also be a software engineer.

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It wasn't really my deal, so but that's beside the point.

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But I think there are some guys listening that are

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tech guys but also in a bigfoot and can learn

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some lessons from what you just said. Is that if

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you're smart about it, you can integrate the two together

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and kind of if you're really good at it, you

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can also be like, hey, maybe I switch around my

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schedule a little bit. But also going back to the

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Georgia thing for a second, do you know approximately the

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year that that happened.

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Uh, probably eighty nine, I'm guessing. Okay, back then it

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was it was payper maps and we would just find

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the closest mountains and rivers and just go like you are,

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nothing to do with big food. At that point, we

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thought that it was, you know, a made up creature

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and if it didn't exist, it was all the Pacific Northwest.

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So to have seen that in Georgia was mind.

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Blowing, you know, Oh absolutely, I mean, and so this

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was in the Chattahoochee National Forest or National Forest.

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Yeah, yeah, okay.

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Okay, I'm curious myself about this. How did seeing what

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Robbie see did that affect him later on in life?

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Or was he like, hey, it happened, but I don't

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really want to deal with it.

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Well, So as we're driving back to Florida and the

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three of us are talking about this for a while,

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and then Chris, Chris, who didn't see it at all,

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was like, guys, everybody makes fun of us enough, and

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we all agreed that we're not going to talk about

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this when we get back. So we kept a lid

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on him. We didn't, you know, we were the super

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Nerds already, and we decided not to talk about it

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or tell anybody about it. So and in my mind,

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I'm like, hundred percent sure, did I see a bear?

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You know, I didn't see ears. It was just kind

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of silhouetted with the back white a little bit. I

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didn't see a face. All I saw was like the

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fur and it ducked quickly behind the tree. It was

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smaller than me. So, you know, it was enough to

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peak my intellectual curiosity and make me want to go

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out and try and find, you know, if he's been

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good or real. But up until my sighting in twenty twelve,

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I was still kind of on the fence about it.

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And then I'm like, okay, yeah, no, there we are.

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Absolutely so, you know, and then fast forwarding to the

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Pacific Northwest, you're able to have you know, you're able

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to do all this squatching, And did you have any

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interesting experiences that stood out in your memory when you

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think of that time being able to spend so much

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research in the field.

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Yeah, So, like I said, I had a lot of

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unsuccessful meaning no no tree Knox, no, no eyeshine, no

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nothing for many years.

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And then I got access to the back in the

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BFRO and one time there was a sighting in I

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believe it was in Wahllah Walla, I remember right. And

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I immediately was like I was already heading back from

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from Vancouver anyway, and I went straight there like the

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next day after the report was made, and uh, it

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was nighttime, and I was it wasn't that late, maybe

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like ten o'clock at night, and I was hiking into

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that area where the report was, and I remember there

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was a clear cut like forest clearcut area and I

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was crossing that going to uh, planning to go up

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up this mountain right where the sighting had been. And

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then I heard a whistle on the right side of

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the of the fleering like but in the woods, a

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little bit a whistle like a and then a clap,

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a single clap, And then right in between those two,

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further off on the mountain, I heard a roar that

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it was like like a combination of a of a

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bear and an elephantor or like a like a lion,

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or it was the deepest, like I can't reproduce it,

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and it scared the heck out of me. And I

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was like, what am I doing here alone in the

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woods with whatever made that sound? But that was the

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first and I had my I had my recorder on

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me and going, but it was in the pocket of

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my my big jacket. It was cold, and I didn't

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get any good audio all of that. But that was

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the first potential bigfoot experience that I'd had after all

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these years of doing stuff. So I'm like, onto something.

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We're using DFRR data to find the better spots to go.

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That was that was a breakthrough moment for me, and

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I turned around. I couldn't keep going. I turned around

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and went back to my tent and spent the night

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in my tenth that night. But then, you know, scouting

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areas where the reports were in between Seattle and Vancouver, Canada,

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and exploring a lot of spots, and then I found

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I found an area in the South Twin Mount Baker

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South Twin area, and I'll describe it for you. There

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was a hill on both sides, kind of imagine a valley,

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and there's a lake, and there's kind of a flood

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plain and no very very few upright trees in this floodplain.

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It's mostly large trees that have been washed out.

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By the by the water.

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And then I got waiters on and I went down

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into the creeks and it's like a labyrinth. Imagine a

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massive labyrinth area where the walls of the water is

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worn down the walls and they're like five foot tall

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and you can walk down in there without being seen.

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And there's this massive labyrinth area, and so I started

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exploring it there. You wouldn't think of it for big fuff,

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but I'm like, this is perfect for them because they

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can eat whatever pritters or well know things are in

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the creek and they can remain unseen just by crouching down.

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And it was really hard to get in there, so

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it's not like there's there's gonna be people in there,

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you see what I mean. So I decided this is

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the spot that I that I want to make like

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a long term uh uh observation spot. And I would

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park my car at a Mini Cooper at the time.

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I parked that car and then I start hiking down

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in there, going towards the lake and I got it.

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I found this one spot where I could climb up

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on the on the bank and there was a down

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log and I'd put fruit on it. I put like apples,

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ferries and stuff onloads down logged and then I would

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back up far enough away and then climb up another

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elevation where I would just sit and watch the log.

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My thought was, maybe I'm going to be lucky enough

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see like a hand them up and grab an apple,

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you know what I mean that That was my thought.

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And so I started doing that, and I bought fruit

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and vegetables and I would stop there. It was near

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a salmon hat tree. If you're trying to find it

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on the map, it's like non Baker South Twin area,

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it's year salmon hat tree. On the paper maps, it

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was year a horse called monkey tree forest. When I

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look on Google Maps, I can't find that forest anywhere,

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so I don't know, but on the paper maps that's

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what it was. Anyway, twice a week, twice a week,

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I would go on the way up to Vancouver and

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I would lay out all the fruit and vegetables, and

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then and then I would on the way back. I

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would go and check it. Every time everything was gone

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except for the potatoes. Now that doesn't mean by cut,

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you know, it could have been any kind of animal

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down in there that it was getting it. I did

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this for almost two months, like a month and a half.

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H twice a week, leading the vegetables and fruit and stuff,

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and then checking it on the way back, and then leaving.

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More fruit vegetables.

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I only once ever saw one person, which was freaking terrifying.

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I'm out there hiking in the labyrinth, splashing down the river.

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I hear splashing French teenths. It was not dark yet,

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it was, you know, just twilight in the afternoon. And

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around the corner comes a hunter with a deer on

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his shoulders, like he killed a deer back in there

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a get the heck out, I mean, after about a

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month and a half of this. It was October two,

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thy Wich twelve. It was a full moon or near

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a full moon. As soon as I started on the trail,

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I immediately heard a splash in like there, like a

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big rock was thrown in a little creek, not in

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the preec I was in, but in the one like

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right next to me. Splash and a single sounded like

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a hand clap. It wasn't. It wasn't a would not.

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I'm like, oh, okay, they're here. So I got my

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go pro camera out of my pocket and I turned

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it on and I'm holding my GoPro with one hand

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and I'm holding the plastic bag with my hurting vegetables

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to the other and I'm splashing down and going towards

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my spot. And then I climbed up on the on

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the observation point where I usually sit. You know, I

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would sit for like an hour or two. I used

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to do meditation a lot, and I don't mind sitting

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and quiet for a long time. I am listening to

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the sounds of nature. That that's real joy of squatching.

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It's not even about if you see anything. It's like

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enjoying the Lloyds and nature in the south anyway. So

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I get up on the observation point and I start

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looking around and you could see perfectly clearly. It was

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almost a like you could see everything like really well.

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And I look and I'm like, wait a minute. There

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was not a tree stump right there. You know, I

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know this, I know this is really well at this

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point in time, I've been here twice a week for

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a month and a half. There's not a tree stump

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right there. And as I'm looking at it, it turned

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to the to the right as I'm facing it to

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its left, and on all fours it booked it to

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the right, and it was not that far away from me.

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I don't know exactly how far, but if you use it, it was.

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It was close enough where I could see it clearly,

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and it was at my eye level on all hours.

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It never stood up all forced and then it left.

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It extended its arms and legs and leapt over a

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down tree and it was gone. Whole sighting lasted, you know,

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maybe three seconds, one one thousand and two, one thousand,

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three thousand done. But I got a really good look

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at it, and it was not It was not for

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body proportions of patty like I would expect it to be.

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Its head was very shronken into its shoulder. It was

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at least seven foot maybe over seven foot fall. Its

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arms were extremely long, like if you were to if

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you were to pick an NBA basketball player and put

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like arm extensions on it. That was kind of the

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body size. But its head was so shrunken into the

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shoulders shoulders were very wide. It looked I mean, my

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first thought when I saw it was like, where's his head? Like,

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you know, like has the head looks in trofile and

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dark loops so tiny because it was so sharp trunking

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into its shoulders. I'm not expressing this very well, but

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I'm trying to describe it. The chest, the shoulders were broad,

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but it didn't have like a wide chest like a

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deer wood or like that. It was kind of skinny

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and leanky long. It's like skinny, lengthy arms and legs

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like that. I can Indian basketball player, but with flight

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their shoulders in the head kind of shunk it in

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and full noon. I mean I could see every weighted grass.

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I could see everything very clearly, and it left. It

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got good airtime as arms, legs extended, sailed over the

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down log and done. And while this was happening, I

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had my GoPro camera out aimed right at it. I

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booked it back to the car. I tried to get

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my laptop going so I could look at the footage,

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and that that wasn't working. So I decided to make

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the drive the rest of late to Vancouver and chuck

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into the hotel, which I did. And then as I'm

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getting my my go pro plugged in and my laptop

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set up and I'm starting to play it, I called

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my mother. I was so excited. And at one o'clock

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in the morning, past one o'clock in the morning, I

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called my mother woke her up, and I'm like, I

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did it. I did it. I finally got one on camera,

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woke her up and then I'd play it back. Nothing

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like that. It was too dark. It was not enough

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light for that old GoPro camera and I was so

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I'm still crushed to this day and uh, not enough

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light to do anything. I've tried editing it in software

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to bring up the cind nothing, nothing would come out

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because I would have had anominal cliddage. Even if I

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had a therm, I would had the best footage, like

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it was awesome and yeah. I actually called in sick

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that day and on hardly any sleep because I was

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so excited. I drove all the way back to Seattle.

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I got my Phantom Furly drone. I went back to

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that spot. I tried droning and looking around, like is

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there any chance they're betted down during the day inside

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the labyrinth somewhere, you know? But no luck with that.

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I have not been back squatching to that spot and yet,

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because I want to bring my thermal drones and I

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want to have more of there, I would like not

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it wants to go with me and I want to

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have multiple thermal drones and like this time, when I

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go back I determined when I go back, I'm going

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to be so ready to catch it again. I'm not

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going to fail like that. That's where I'm coming from.

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Everything is practiced up until I can get back there

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and do it right.

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Yeah, that is absolutely incredible, My goodness, Yeah, definitely. If

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a few few questions for you. So at that point

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when you were you're viewing it, did you notice any

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any eye glow or eye shine or anything like that.

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No, I didn't see any eye shine. And with its

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head so shrunken into its body like it, I think

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I was seeing just like the top part of the

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chronical part of its head. It was. It looked like

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a headless person, almost like with a little lump. It

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was not at all like I expected to see. And

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I don't know how it can see where it's going.

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A few other things furn him into my memory. Its

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back looks like it it was keeping steady, like you

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could have a glass of water on its back. You

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would expect it's back to be going up and down

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as it was cruising along on all fours. No, it

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was like so smooth, smooth like butter like, and on

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all fours, like I said, never stood up. It went

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from a prairie dog crouch. That's what I thought was

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a tree stump. It was crouching like a prairie dog

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and just looking at me, and I thought that was

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a tree stump. And then it on all fours boop

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like moving its legs and arms. I could see it

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really well, not a huge belly, not a huge chest

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like you know, like an ungulate. It didn't have didn't

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have that chest plate. You know that that it was

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definitely not a bear. It was definitely was. And then

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it extended its arms and legs and freaking leap so far.

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So that's really interesting. You bring up how you know

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how smooth it was, because that is a pattern that

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keeps on coming up definitely in this show, is that

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people will say when it moves, it's like it's gliding,

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and to hear it you say that, you know, so

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it's moving on all fours, but it still had that

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smoothness to it, right.

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Yeah, like a greyhound. The way it was moving its

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arms and legs like a greyhound. But it was incredibly smooth.

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The back just looked like it was going perfectly straight,

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not up and down as it's moving its arms and legs,

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which is what you would expect. But no, it was

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so smooth.

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Were you able to see during those few seconds anything

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any details regarding like hair length or what the hair

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looked like anything?

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I thought No, I mean it all looked black to me,

459
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so you know, under the moonlight. I don't know it

460
00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:08.960
could have been. I don't know what color pair it was,

461
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:14.359
but I could see enough of the like fuzzy iNTS

462
00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:16.960
that it had hair. It was definitely covered in hair.

463
00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:20.200
Imagine if you had an NBA basketball player but with

464
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:24.880
water shoulders and without a head, or with a tiny,

465
00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:28.799
hrunken head like in profile. That's what it looked like.

466
00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:31.279
And there was enough light I mean it was it

467
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:33.240
was either a full moon or near a full moon,

468
00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:37.720
and I could see underneath it. I could see I

469
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:39.880
could see it very very clearly.

470
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:46.599
After those that time of seeing it, did this I

471
00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:50.759
mean you may have already had an idea before of

472
00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:55.799
what you would classify this creature as some people lean

473
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:59.519
more towards you know, human base, some people lean more

474
00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:07.799
towards like undiscovered ape. Did this sighting lean you in

475
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:09.200
any way regarding that?

476
00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:15.039
Or you know, I had a preconceived notion before the

477
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:19.480
sighting of like a Patty you know body style. And

478
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:23.200
I still think that the Patty PG film is real,

479
00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:26.680
but I just think they come in different sizes in shapes,

480
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:32.119
just like humans. And this one was way more graceful,

481
00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:38.680
way faster, and the head shrunken into the shoulders way

482
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:41.440
more than I expected, So the body shape was different

483
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:44.759
than I had preconceived notions. Up. I don't know, like

484
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:47.200
it's hard for me to say that that's in any

485
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:50.359
way human because the head Finding a big good episode.

486
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:53.480
We actually had much better footage that it wasn't shown

487
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:58.799
on the show. After that whole experience I was, I

488
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:02.039
of course was droning more and more on some of

489
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:05.039
the blogs stuff where I was talking about that I

490
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:11.880
was working on that. Matt Moneymaker contacted me and he

491
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:15.920
and I started chatting and chootrem are drone and what

492
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.559
we're doing? And that contacted me was like, hey, want

493
00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:21.359
to be on Finding Bigfoot. I'm like yeah, yeah, And

494
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:24.200
so we took the drone and they did a new

495
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:27.240
episode finding Bigfit. The search continues and it was so

496
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:33.359
much fun, and I had a buddy of mine, Adam,

497
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:38.279
and then he took off and immediately something went wrong

498
00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.960
with the drone and he's like just above the trees

499
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:45.920
through like a small hole in the trees, and the

500
00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:50.240
controller goes off and this is like a twenty seven

501
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:54.079
thousand dollars drone. It's not cheap, and we're we're freaking out.

502
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:59.119
And then the the carware updated on the controller and

503
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:01.400
he was able to get a aganity landed it and

504
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:03.559
we checked it all out and make sure everything looked good,

505
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:06.960
and then he took off again. And so he was

506
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:09.720
right after that dramatic moment that he took off. Now,

507
00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:12.839
Cliff and his team were dow south a little bit.

508
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:15.799
Matt and his team were a morph a little bit,

509
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.119
and we're flying and joining. We saw both of them

510
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:21.759
through the thurne perfectly well, and all of a sudden,

511
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:24.799
week see a hotspot right in between the two of them.

512
00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:28.119
And as we're looking at it and zoomed in with

513
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:32.680
the camera, it got up and it ran across like

514
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:36.319
the trail, and it was like twice as big as Cliff.

515
00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:39.920
It was huge. And right after it ran across the trail,

516
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:42.559
it hunkered down again, and that's when I looked at

517
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:45.519
the screen. I'm monitoring it on my laptop, so I

518
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:47.359
can see everything that's coming to you Va John on

519
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:50.920
my laptop and it's running for my AI software, and

520
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:55.119
I realized, Adam, you're not recorde. Their normal routine is

521
00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:57.480
to turn on recording as soon as you take off.

522
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:00.559
As you're taking off, because he was flowing ustered by

523
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.640
what had just happened with the drone, he forgot to

524
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:06.839
start recording as soon as he shok Golm. And so

525
00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:10.599
I'm like, you'll see in the in the TV show

526
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:14.640
that part where Bovo goes it's walking. It's walking like

527
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:17.240
that part, that's real. That's that's when we spotted it,

528
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:21.680
right and then and then I'm like, okay, it's okay.

529
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.079
It's okay because I've got recording on my laptop as

530
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:27.039
well that is recording each frame as it comes in.

531
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:29.160
So I'm like, okay, we're still good, We're still gig.

532
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:31.200
And then he brought it act. We had to swap

533
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:34.000
out batteries anyway, he bought it that swap out batteries,

534
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:41.319
and then I shut down my laptop and it was recording,

535
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:43.839
but it was really delayed because it was eating up

536
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:46.759
memory as it's recording every frame. And so when I

537
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:49.680
shut down my laptop as we took a little sweat break.

538
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:53.839
I cut off the recording there too, so we had

539
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:58.240
triple redumbment backup. We had the uh the drone itself

540
00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:01.799
recording that's hill because he hit the record button. The

541
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:06.640
controller has a bathub recording that failed because he wasn't recording,

542
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:09.480
and my laptop failed because I shut the lid on.

543
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:12.359
So the best footage you never see in the show.

544
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.640
You see like a screenshot of from one of the

545
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:18.519
camera guys behind our shoulder that like sawt part of it,

546
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:23.519
but unfortunately the really like winter footage you just don't

547
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:25.240
have it. I was frustrating.

548
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:31.720
Yeah, I remember watching that and it is one of

549
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:35.559
the best examples of the curse at Bigfoot. I believe

550
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.599
that in recent times, like it's wild how many different

551
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:42.480
things had to get messed up for that footage not

552
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:45.960
to be captured. So I can I can feel like

553
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:48.359
I feel you man like that that had to been

554
00:32:48.759 --> 00:32:51.000
really rough to uh to live through.

555
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:55.880
Yeah, yeah, that was that was harsh. That was harsh,

556
00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:00.279
but anyway, yeah, it was a huge. Now we had

557
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:03.599
a guy go out the next day and look exactly

558
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:08.279
where it was, because in that area we then found

559
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:11.839
there's down the logs and he was going underneath the

560
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:15.160
logs in this like complex web of a down log.

561
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:18.240
So that's why we weren't seeing him, why he was

562
00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:21.440
getting fainter and fainter. He's hiding at Elis staff. They're smart,

563
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:24.839
they're smart. You heard the noise, probably that you're an

564
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:27.799
above or something and was finding cover on read logs.

565
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:32.200
Wow. Yeah, that would be fascinating to see if you're

566
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:33.759
able to access that. Still.

567
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:37.880
Yeah, I still have all the all the wraw footed

568
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:41.440
fit to the pieces of stuff, but nothing like the

569
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:44.480
when it ran across that trail and was huge, like

570
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:47.920
and you have because we added in comparison to like

571
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:51.240
Griffin his team, so you could see the size difference

572
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:55.440
as well in the in really good footage. But aiden

573
00:33:56.440 --> 00:34:02.200
so yeah, so there was that we kind of I've

574
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:07.319
since been on several expeditions with Matt and with like

575
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:11.320
BFRO expeditions. We had one in Ohio where I really

576
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:18.000
think we kind of propected the art of drones and watching.

577
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:20.800
I can tell you briefly about that if you're interested.

578
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:22.840
I would love to hear that. That might be very

579
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:26.159
helpful for listeners to know that are trying to get

580
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:29.119
into drone usage when it comes to Bigfoot.

581
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.880
Yeah, this is really good if you have a small

582
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:36.960
group of people like that want to go out drone squatching.

583
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:41.360
For a while, I had a website Drone Squatchers, but

584
00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:44.280
I haven't had time to maintain that. So what we

585
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:49.360
did in Ohio was, first of all, I subscribe to

586
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:54.119
a service called drone Stents and it's the same service

587
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:58.079
used by law enforcement and rescue like search and rescue,

588
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:02.519
and it provides software that tracks all of your drones locations.

589
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:05.920
But what was really cool is you can also use

590
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:09.639
it on the ground. Your FOAE connects to it, and

591
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:13.239
so so we had like we had our central station

592
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.840
where we could see on a map where the drones

593
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:18.960
were and where the ground search team was, and then

594
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.199
we had the ground team put their fleers up to

595
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:27.280
the phone camera and you could see through the you

596
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:30.440
could see the flear and all of this was coordinated

597
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.840
in map. So we had and then we had like

598
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:35.920
a live audience. I don't know how many people were

599
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:38.079
watching all this while we're while we were doing it,

600
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:41.639
but it was It was pretty awesome because we saw

601
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:44.239
a hotspot, something large and hot with the drone, but

602
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:46.079
it was in the foliage. We couldn't get to it,

603
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:49.559
but we were able to direct Ground Team UH to

604
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.440
go with their fleers and you as the footage, it

605
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.000
was as awesome. They're crunching through the forest and you

606
00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:57.599
can see through the flear and then it's a deer,

607
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:02.159
you know. But the suspense is when everybody shoes. But

608
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:06.840
so that that software when used right, like it's it's

609
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:11.079
great in multiple gerones. You can see where they're at,

610
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:15.880
you can coordinate all the activity, and it was really cool.

611
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:23.199
That is is fascinating. Let's say there's individuals that are

612
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:25.840
trying to get into like I want to have a

613
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:30.119
drone for bigfoot research? Should do you recommend a certain

614
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:34.199
size or model? They would start with, I know these

615
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:36.559
these things can get super super expensive.

616
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:43.800
Yeah, I've got I've got.

617
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:46.639
Two drogs that are my go to. But my buddy

618
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:50.440
just recently got a UH there's like an American company

619
00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:53.480
that's making a copy of the d GI that but

620
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:57.480
the evident was it's like almost identical and he swears

621
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.440
by it and they're but I I I'm still a

622
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:02.960
d g I guy. I like the d job for

623
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:06.679
d GR Memby is my day drone. And then I've

624
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:10.440
got the UGI and I'm trying to remember the name. Naja.

625
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:16.159
Uh it's uh shoot, it's a thermal drove. You don't

626
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:18.119
want to go for the lower resolution. You want to

627
00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:20.920
go for like five twenty. Uh think that's the highest

628
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:25.719
remember the spec but it is, Yeah, you need the

629
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:30.400
higher resolution, Joe, And they're they're not that big now.

630
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:34.079
It was still like around five thousand dollars. It's pretty icy.

631
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:37.639
I would say if you're just getting started, just get

632
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.760
a mini and do day drone day droning with that.

633
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:45.440
It's such a great app It's such a a fun

634
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:49.320
drone to fly around, and it's small and has higher resolution.

635
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:53.639
There's a newer one out that that has a pretty

636
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:57.800
good night camera on it as well, like the like

637
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.840
color but low light, you know, and you're able to

638
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:05.199
film with that. There's next on my list, trying to

639
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:09.880
remember the name of it. There's a new larger camera

640
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:15.320
that has both low light camera as well as the

641
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:20.119
thermal camera, but it's only mounted on the larger Matrese

642
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:24.719
drones like like we have. I can't remember t in something,

643
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:29.360
but that camera. They did it for search and rescue

644
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:32.599
because what they're finding is that you can see the

645
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:36.199
hotspots on the therm, but you can't always identify what

646
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:39.320
it is, so commony combining that with a low light camera,

647
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:42.039
the search and rescue is able to identify what it

648
00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:46.960
is that's next on my list to get camera wise. Yeah, Like,

649
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:51.960
for example, we did a expedition in California up in

650
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:55.679
the mountains in the Sierras with Matt and the problem

651
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:59.039
there was there's rocks everywhere, and the hot rocks abstorbed

652
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:01.760
the sun during the day and at night they're just

653
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:07.320
hotspots littered everywhere. And for example, when I was on

654
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:12.000
that ext edition, there was a ram or some kind

655
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:14.079
of ungulate it looked like a ram, I'm not sure,

656
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:17.400
or rather than a stag or something that had big horns.

657
00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:23.280
And that animal was less right in the firm than

658
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:27.480
the boulders around it. And I think because they can

659
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:29.920
serve the heat. You know, I'm not sure it's sparked

660
00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:32.360
to do the same way, but it makes sense for

661
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:35.239
an animal that's out in the cold to have whatever

662
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:39.599
layers of fur to be able to conserve their heat.

663
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:42.239
So the assumption that they're going to glow bright like

664
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:46.239
a human might be completely you know wrong in some situations.

665
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:48.280
Does that make sense.

666
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:53.119
No, it absolutely does. I know thermal drones are definitely

667
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:59.159
becoming more and more popular, but they're very expensive. They'd

668
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:02.119
be curious to see if those ever start dropping down

669
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:08.039
in price and then more more usable by the Yeah,

670
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:11.000
I guess you could say, you know, every day squatterer.

671
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:15.320
Not everyone has, you know, five six grand to drop

672
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:15.920
on a drone.

673
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.280
A couple of recommendations on there. So number one, do

674
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:22.079
not waste your money on anything below the five twenty

675
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:26.480
resolution like the three twenty eight and cheaper ones. And

676
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:29.400
the frame rate really matters, is you know, thirty or

677
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:33.079
sixty the higher frame rate instead of going and wasting

678
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.519
your money on the lower drone where you're you're just

679
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:39.519
you're gonna see stuff and you're not gonna be identify it,

680
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:43.559
don't even bother. Instead, find two or three like minded people,

681
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:47.079
pull your money, get one higher end drone and sure,

682
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:52.119
and here's another thing. As soon as you get the drone,

683
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.920
sign up for DGI Here. You only have a short

684
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:57.159
period of time after you buy it to sign up

685
00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:00.920
for DGI Care. They are awesome, It's are much money

686
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:04.360
and they will immediately send you a priestmantro when and

687
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.159
if it's more of an when you crotch your drone,

688
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:09.599
because you will glaf it and it'll immediately send you

689
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:12.159
a replacement and you send in the damage drone like

690
00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:14.800
they're awesome. But if you don't sign up quick enough,

691
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:16.920
you miss that window to sign up.

692
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:21.960
That's awesome. So you're in down in Costa Rica. Now,

693
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:25.599
are there any plans maybe in the future to go

694
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:29.280
back on Bigfoot expeditions or you kind of moved past

695
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:30.599
that now.

696
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:37.039
Never. I'll never move to right right exactly mortgage now.

697
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:40.880
I don't think there's any muffing worry or anything in

698
00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:45.599
my neighborhood in Costa Rica now, but I'll definitely go back.

699
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:48.639
You know, my son and I love camping and squatching

700
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:53.559
with uh with Matt so uh at some point, maybe

701
00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:55.559
even over the Christmas break, I want to go back

702
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:58.960
squatching in my old stomping grounds in Seattle area. Maybe

703
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:00.760
I'll go back to that hot spot and bring my

704
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.559
thermal grown as long as I've got a few other

705
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:08.119
people and give it a serious effort this time. Yeah,

706
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:09.159
that'll be awesome.

707
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:11.679
That would be fascinating. I just want to say thank

708
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:16.119
you for spending some time talking about what you've experienced.

709
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:19.320
If you are able to go back to that that

710
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:23.760
place that was it, Monkey Tree Forest area, I would

711
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:26.760
love to hear about it definitely. You know, feel free

712
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:29.280
to reach out with any updates you have.

713
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:32.800
Faker South Twin, Yeah, Mount Faker South Twin area. If

714
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:35.400
anybody's trying to find it, look for Salmon Hatchree and

715
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:36.639
it's right in that neighborhood.

716
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:40.079
Boom, there you go. And that song is that on

717
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:41.079
public land as well?

718
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.960
Yeah, okay, there's a campground here there. I can't remember

719
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:48.559
when I usually didn't gamp at the canform. If you

720
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:51.639
get a the there's a past Force past I think

721
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:53.639
it was called, where you can just parkrom with side

722
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:58.400
of the road and and go camping. It's awesome up there. Yeah,

723
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:00.280
thank you for your time. Thank you for let me

724
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:03.760
blab on for whatever a couple of hours. Aaron, this is.

725
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:07.360
Fun, awesome, well great, great talking to you man, and

726
00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:12.519
have a great rest of your day down there in

727
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:13.400
Costa Rica.

728
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:17.400
Dude. All right, thanks Ben, have a good day. Ku Abda.

729
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:19.119
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