Night of the Sasquatch! | Washington

0:00 You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Tonight's account comes from a man who spent years chasing shadows through the Cascades, and then one night under a full moon, found himself staring at something that changed his entire paradigm. What he saw is unlike nothing that you've heard on the show so far. This is the story of Robert Evans' bigfoot researcher and drone enthusiast. So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Robert Evans today. Robert is an individual who has decades of bigfooting experience in the Pacific Northwest. It's currently down there in Costa Rica. But I was able to connect with him to really get some interesting things he's had happened over the years. We'll be talking about that and maybe also a little bit of information about what it was like to be involved with the last episode of Finding Bigfoot. So welcome to the show.

1:00 How are you doing today? Hey, I'm great. How are you having a great day? It's not too bad out here in the Midwest of the US. So always fun to talk to people about their experiences over the years. But you know, Robert, it sounds like we have a lot of really interesting things to talk about, so I think for this one, do you mind sharing what it was that first brought you into the field of bigfoot to begin with? Yeah. Absolutely, So I had a potential sighting. I'll tell you I've only had one definitive sighting, which we'll get into later. But I had a potential sighting when I was seventeen that piqued my interest and got me into big footing, got me host you know, I even had an experience before that that I didn't think was think good until later when I learn more about it, And I can go back and tell you about that. Well, but I'll tell you first about the when I was seventeen.

2:04 So I at the time I was living and going to high school in our Bookworts in Florida and can do Like in ninth grade, we had a summer class, a bushcraft class with sham and Rick Shawnee taught us, you know, how to make shelters, how to build fires, and all that good stuff. And so my friends and I after that, when I turned sixteen and got my driver's license, we would head through Georgia to the mountains to go camping. We would go like all the time. Sometimes we'd leave right after school on Friday and go then you know, Friday night out there, drive six or seven hours whatever it was. And we had rules. We didn't really didn't think of bigfoots at all at the time, but we had rules. No electronics, no flash lights, no.

2:53 We wanted to be you know, with nature as much as we could. And that was great because we got to see like a wild fox and like it was awesome nature wires, you know, getting out there and in uh, we're in UH. I think it was Chattahoochee's That is the area in Georgia where the mountains start to come. And on this one trip, we were hiking along a river and after two days of hiking, we first found an area that was kind of weird. It had UH well, first we thought it was trash. We're going to us with two friends, Chris and Robbie, and they were the super nerves. The three of us were like top of our class dance, calculus and UH and physics and all that good stuff. Anyway, we found this clearing and at first we thought it was trash and then we looked and it was really weird. It was like a candy wrapper that was perfectly folded and sat down, and then something else right next to it, and then there was I remember, a single blue top blur se and was just sitting there. And when we saw our stuff, we're like, okay, let's leave it. Like maybe there's a psycho in the woods.

4:08 It was like collecting stuff and leaving it. So we left all that stuff. We went a little bit further and we set up our cann In the morning, I had I got up break before dawn to go to the bathroom, and I went behind our shelter. We made our own shelters, like just with the tarb but also like trees of the cut and bent and everything. It was awesome. Anyway, I was going to go to the bathroom and I went up this little hill behind us, and I saw something peering out of the right side of this tree, and it was smaller than me. And to this day, I'm not sure if it was a bear or I think it might have been a juvenile's squatch because of what happened later. So I charged at it to scare it, because if it's a bear and you're you're supposed to try and scare them off, so that's what I get. I charged up the hill and they ducked behind the tree as I was charging at it.

5:09 And then I got up to the tree and I looked behind it, and there's nothing there, And the other side of the hill was kind of a little bit lit from the dawn. At this point, I expected to see whatever it was going down the other side of the hill, but I didn't see anything, and I didn't hear anything. Then when it dawned on me, whatever it is, it's in the tree right above me. I didn't even look up. I just folded and went right back to our shelters. And then when I got back, Robbie, the Indian kid, was coming from the other direction, and he looked pasts spoken and we both said to each other, let's just pack it up and get out of here. And Chris didn't like that because we were supposed to stay a few more days. So we packed it up.

5:53 We hiked like a death march all day until nighttime to get back to the car, and then we uh We checked into a nearby motel, really stinky, three of us, and then in the morning, on the drive back to Florida, Robbie says to us, guys, I got to tell you something. The other morning I went I was going to go to the bathroom, and across the creek from me, I saw like a huge, seven foot hairy thing in it. And I hadn't even told him what I saw. So you know, for hours we're like, oh, was it a guy in gilly suit? Was it? This? Was it? No? No, no, it was a big slip. And so that's what sparked the interest for me. I think I caught a glimpse of a juvenile and he saw an adult male at the same time and did it. That's that's what got me into big flitting.

6:50 I'm not point zero nine. When I got hired by Microsoft in two thousand, I was so excited to go squatching in the Pacific Northwest, and I got out there as often as I could. I eaten went so far as with two friends of mine. We rented a seaplane to take us. I into the Cascades, landed in an area inaccessible by trail on a floatplane, and for two weeks we did roughing it camping up there in the Cascades. Not a single tree knock, not a single luck howl or anything. Unfortunately, no luck. But man, I was trying, and you know, every chance I got, I go out camping and just walk in the trails at night, I get up a bore dawn and go out on the trails. And I didn't have much luck.

7:41 For gosh, for twelve years, I didn't have any luck. You can though. I tried a lot, and I think what turned it around for me was around two thousand and eleven. I contacted BFRO and I said, hey, guys, I was working at Microsoft at this plane, and I said, I'll build your BFR Windows app. And I'm like sure, And so I started building their app, and I got direct access to what's called flats is the BFRO back end, so I could see reports when they came in before they were made public. At the same time, through Microsoft, I was doing a ton of work in Vancouver, Canada, and there was a large group of developers that was working there and we were working on the Windows eight and eight point one, and so I was going back and forth between Seattle and Vancouver, Canada every week. And I said to my manager, you know, this is horrible because I'm basically driving on Saturday you know, we're on Friday.

8:47 Two days are wasted because of the driving, and I said, I want to have three day weeks and he said yes. For two years, I got to basically work three days a week and enjoy the beautiful drive up to Vancouver, Canada and splatch on the way up and splatch on the web back for two years, hitting all the hotspots between Seattle and Vancouver, Canada. That was That was my deal. That was one of the happiest times of my life. That odd. Wow, that is That is fantastic. And as we were talking before the show started, I used to be a tech guy myself. I used to also be a software engineer.

9:35 It wasn't really my deal, so but that's beside the point. But I think there are some guys listening that are tech guys but also in a bigfoot and can learn some lessons from what you just said. Is that if you're smart about it, you can integrate the two together and kind of if you're really good at it, you can also be like, hey, maybe I switch around my schedule a little bit. But also going back to the Georgia thing for a second, do you know approximately the year that that happened. Uh, probably eighty nine, I'm guessing. Okay, back then it was it was payper maps and we would just find the closest mountains and rivers and just go like you are, nothing to do with big food. At that point, we thought that it was, you know, a made up creature and if it didn't exist, it was all the Pacific Northwest.

10:30 So to have seen that in Georgia was mind. Blowing, you know, Oh absolutely, I mean, and so this was in the Chattahoochee National Forest or National Forest. Yeah, yeah, okay. Okay, I'm curious myself about this. How did seeing what Robbie see did that affect him later on in life? Or was he like, hey, it happened, but I don't really want to deal with it. Well, So as we're driving back to Florida and the three of us are talking about this for a while, and then Chris, Chris, who didn't see it at all, was like, guys, everybody makes fun of us enough, and we all agreed that we're not going to talk about this when we get back. So we kept a lid on him. We didn't, you know, we were the super Nerds already, and we decided not to talk about it or tell anybody about it. So and in my mind, I'm like, hundred percent sure, did I see a bear?

11:34 You know, I didn't see ears. It was just kind of silhouetted with the back white a little bit. I didn't see a face. All I saw was like the fur and it ducked quickly behind the tree. It was smaller than me. So, you know, it was enough to peak my intellectual curiosity and make me want to go out and try and find, you know, if he's been good or real. But up until my sighting in twenty twelve, I was still kind of on the fence about it. And then I'm like, okay, yeah, no, there we are. Absolutely so, you know, and then fast forwarding to the Pacific Northwest, you're able to have you know, you're able to do all this squatching, And did you have any interesting experiences that stood out in your memory when you think of that time being able to spend so much research in the field.

12:29 Yeah, So, like I said, I had a lot of unsuccessful meaning no no tree Knox, no, no eyeshine, no nothing for many years. And then I got access to the back in the BFRO and one time there was a sighting in I believe it was in Wahllah Walla, I remember right. And I immediately was like I was already heading back from from Vancouver anyway, and I went straight there like the next day after the report was made, and uh, it was nighttime, and I was it wasn't that late, maybe like ten o'clock at night, and I was hiking into that area where the report was, and I remember there was a clear cut like forest clearcut area and I was crossing that going to uh, planning to go up up this mountain right where the sighting had been. And then I heard a whistle on the right side of the of the fleering like but in the woods, a little bit a whistle like a and then a clap, a single clap, And then right in between those two, further off on the mountain, I heard a roar that it was like like a combination of a of a bear and an elephantor or like a like a lion, or it was the deepest, like I can't reproduce it, and it scared the heck out of me. And I was like, what am I doing here alone in the

14:01 woods with whatever made that sound? But that was the first and I had my I had my recorder on me and going, but it was in the pocket of my my big jacket. It was cold, and I didn't get any good audio all of that. But that was the first potential bigfoot experience that I'd had after all these years of doing stuff. So I'm like, onto something. We're using DFRR data to find the better spots to go. That was that was a breakthrough moment for me, and I turned around. I couldn't keep going. I turned around and went back to my tent and spent the night in my tenth that night. But then, you know, scouting areas where the reports were in between Seattle and Vancouver, Canada, and exploring a lot of spots, and then I found I found an area in the South Twin Mount Baker South Twin area, and I'll describe it for you. There was a hill on both sides, kind of imagine a valley, and there's a lake, and there's kind of a flood plain and no very very few upright trees in this floodplain.

15:19 It's mostly large trees that have been washed out. By the by the water. And then I got waiters on and I went down into the creeks and it's like a labyrinth. Imagine a massive labyrinth area where the walls of the water is worn down the walls and they're like five foot tall and you can walk down in there without being seen. And there's this massive labyrinth area, and so I started exploring it there. You wouldn't think of it for big fuff, but I'm like, this is perfect for them because they can eat whatever pritters or well know things are in the creek and they can remain unseen just by crouching down.

16:04 And it was really hard to get in there, so it's not like there's there's gonna be people in there, you see what I mean. So I decided this is the spot that I that I want to make like a long term uh uh observation spot. And I would park my car at a Mini Cooper at the time. I parked that car and then I start hiking down in there, going towards the lake and I got it. I found this one spot where I could climb up on the on the bank and there was a down log and I'd put fruit on it. I put like apples, ferries and stuff onloads down logged and then I would back up far enough away and then climb up another elevation where I would just sit and watch the log.

16:56 My thought was, maybe I'm going to be lucky enough see like a hand them up and grab an apple, you know what I mean that That was my thought. And so I started doing that, and I bought fruit and vegetables and I would stop there. It was near a salmon hat tree. If you're trying to find it on the map, it's like non Baker South Twin area, it's year salmon hat tree. On the paper maps, it was year a horse called monkey tree forest. When I look on Google Maps, I can't find that forest anywhere, so I don't know, but on the paper maps that's what it was. Anyway, twice a week, twice a week, I would go on the way up to Vancouver and I would lay out all the fruit and vegetables, and then and then I would on the way back. I would go and check it. Every time everything was gone except for the potatoes. Now that doesn't mean by cut, you know, it could have been any kind of animal down in there that it was getting it. I did this for almost two months, like a month and a half.

18:00 H twice a week, leading the vegetables and fruit and stuff, and then checking it on the way back, and then leaving. More fruit vegetables. I only once ever saw one person, which was freaking terrifying. I'm out there hiking in the labyrinth, splashing down the river. I hear splashing French teenths. It was not dark yet, it was, you know, just twilight in the afternoon. And around the corner comes a hunter with a deer on his shoulders, like he killed a deer back in there a get the heck out, I mean, after about a month and a half of this. It was October two, thy Wich twelve. It was a full moon or near a full moon. As soon as I started on the trail, I immediately heard a splash in like there, like a big rock was thrown in a little creek, not in the preec I was in, but in the one like right next to me. Splash and a single sounded like a hand clap. It wasn't. It wasn't a would not.

19:07 I'm like, oh, okay, they're here. So I got my go pro camera out of my pocket and I turned it on and I'm holding my GoPro with one hand and I'm holding the plastic bag with my hurting vegetables to the other and I'm splashing down and going towards my spot. And then I climbed up on the on the observation point where I usually sit. You know, I would sit for like an hour or two. I used to do meditation a lot, and I don't mind sitting and quiet for a long time. I am listening to the sounds of nature. That that's real joy of squatching. It's not even about if you see anything. It's like enjoying the Lloyds and nature in the south anyway. So I get up on the observation point and I start looking around and you could see perfectly clearly. It was almost a like you could see everything like really well.

20:03 And I look and I'm like, wait a minute. There was not a tree stump right there. You know, I know this, I know this is really well at this point in time, I've been here twice a week for a month and a half. There's not a tree stump right there. And as I'm looking at it, it turned to the to the right as I'm facing it to its left, and on all fours it booked it to the right, and it was not that far away from me. I don't know exactly how far, but if you use it, it was. It was close enough where I could see it clearly, and it was at my eye level on all hours. It never stood up all forced and then it left.

20:46 It extended its arms and legs and leapt over a down tree and it was gone. Whole sighting lasted, you know, maybe three seconds, one one thousand and two, one thousand, three thousand done. But I got a really good look at it, and it was not It was not for body proportions of patty like I would expect it to be. Its head was very shronken into its shoulder. It was at least seven foot maybe over seven foot fall. Its arms were extremely long, like if you were to if you were to pick an NBA basketball player and put like arm extensions on it. That was kind of the body size. But its head was so shrunken into the shoulders shoulders were very wide. It looked I mean, my first thought when I saw it was like, where's his head? Like, you know, like has the head looks in trofile and dark loops so tiny because it was so sharp trunking into its shoulders. I'm not expressing this very well, but I'm trying to describe it. The chest, the shoulders were broad, but it didn't have like a wide chest like a deer wood or like that. It was kind of skinny and leanky long. It's like skinny, lengthy arms and legs like that. I can Indian basketball player, but with flight their shoulders in the head kind of shunk it in and full noon. I mean I could see every weighted grass.

22:17 I could see everything very clearly, and it left. It got good airtime as arms, legs extended, sailed over the down log and done. And while this was happening, I had my GoPro camera out aimed right at it. I booked it back to the car. I tried to get my laptop going so I could look at the footage, and that that wasn't working. So I decided to make the drive the rest of late to Vancouver and chuck into the hotel, which I did. And then as I'm getting my my go pro plugged in and my laptop set up and I'm starting to play it, I called my mother. I was so excited. And at one o'clock in the morning, past one o'clock in the morning, I called my mother woke her up, and I'm like, I did it. I did it. I finally got one on camera, woke her up and then I'd play it back. Nothing like that. It was too dark. It was not enough light for that old GoPro camera and I was so I'm still crushed to this day and uh, not enough light to do anything. I've tried editing it in software to bring up the cind nothing, nothing would come out because I would have had anominal cliddage. Even if I had a therm, I would had the best footage, like it was awesome and yeah. I actually called in sick that day and on hardly any sleep because I was so excited. I drove all the way back to Seattle.

23:41 I got my Phantom Furly drone. I went back to that spot. I tried droning and looking around, like is there any chance they're betted down during the day inside the labyrinth somewhere, you know? But no luck with that. I have not been back squatching to that spot and yet, because I want to bring my thermal drones and I want to have more of there, I would like not it wants to go with me and I want to have multiple thermal drones and like this time, when I go back I determined when I go back, I'm going to be so ready to catch it again. I'm not going to fail like that. That's where I'm coming from. Everything is practiced up until I can get back there and do it right. Yeah, that is absolutely incredible, My goodness, Yeah, definitely. If a few few questions for you. So at that point when you were you're viewing it, did you notice any any eye glow or eye shine or anything like that.

24:40 No, I didn't see any eye shine. And with its head so shrunken into its body like it, I think I was seeing just like the top part of the chronical part of its head. It was. It looked like a headless person, almost like with a little lump. It was not at all like I expected to see. And I don't know how it can see where it's going. A few other things furn him into my memory. Its back looks like it it was keeping steady, like you could have a glass of water on its back. You would expect it's back to be going up and down as it was cruising along on all fours. No, it was like so smooth, smooth like butter like, and on all fours, like I said, never stood up. It went from a prairie dog crouch. That's what I thought was a tree stump. It was crouching like a prairie dog and just looking at me, and I thought that was a tree stump. And then it on all fours boop like moving its legs and arms. I could see it really well, not a huge belly, not a huge chest like you know, like an ungulate. It didn't have didn't have that chest plate. You know that that it was definitely not a bear. It was definitely was. And then it extended its arms and legs and freaking leap so far.

26:01 So that's really interesting. You bring up how you know how smooth it was, because that is a pattern that keeps on coming up definitely in this show, is that people will say when it moves, it's like it's gliding, and to hear it you say that, you know, so it's moving on all fours, but it still had that smoothness to it, right. Yeah, like a greyhound. The way it was moving its arms and legs like a greyhound. But it was incredibly smooth. The back just looked like it was going perfectly straight, not up and down as it's moving its arms and legs, which is what you would expect. But no, it was so smooth.

26:49 Were you able to see during those few seconds anything any details regarding like hair length or what the hair looked like anything? I thought No, I mean it all looked black to me, so you know, under the moonlight. I don't know it could have been. I don't know what color pair it was, but I could see enough of the like fuzzy iNTS that it had hair. It was definitely covered in hair. Imagine if you had an NBA basketball player but with water shoulders and without a head, or with a tiny, hrunken head like in profile. That's what it looked like.

27:29 And there was enough light I mean it was it was either a full moon or near a full moon, and I could see underneath it. I could see I could see it very very clearly. After those that time of seeing it, did this I mean you may have already had an idea before of what you would classify this creature as some people lean more towards you know, human base, some people lean more towards like undiscovered ape. Did this sighting lean you in any way regarding that?

28:09 Or you know, I had a preconceived notion before the sighting of like a Patty you know body style. And I still think that the Patty PG film is real, but I just think they come in different sizes in shapes, just like humans. And this one was way more graceful, way faster, and the head shrunken into the shoulders way more than I expected, So the body shape was different than I had preconceived notions. Up. I don't know, like it's hard for me to say that that's in any way human because the head Finding a big good episode.

28:50 We actually had much better footage that it wasn't shown on the show. After that whole experience I was, I of course was droning more and more on some of the blogs stuff where I was talking about that I was working on that. Matt Moneymaker contacted me and he and I started chatting and chootrem are drone and what we're doing? And that contacted me was like, hey, want to be on Finding Bigfoot. I'm like yeah, yeah, And so we took the drone and they did a new episode finding Bigfit. The search continues and it was so much fun, and I had a buddy of mine, Adam, and then he took off and immediately something went wrong with the drone and he's like just above the trees through like a small hole in the trees, and the controller goes off and this is like a twenty seven thousand dollars drone. It's not cheap, and we're we're freaking out.

29:54 And then the the carware updated on the controller and he was able to get a aganity landed it and we checked it all out and make sure everything looked good, and then he took off again. And so he was right after that dramatic moment that he took off. Now, Cliff and his team were dow south a little bit. Matt and his team were a morph a little bit, and we're flying and joining. We saw both of them through the thurne perfectly well, and all of a sudden, week see a hotspot right in between the two of them. And as we're looking at it and zoomed in with the camera, it got up and it ran across like the trail, and it was like twice as big as Cliff.

30:36 It was huge. And right after it ran across the trail, it hunkered down again, and that's when I looked at the screen. I'm monitoring it on my laptop, so I can see everything that's coming to you Va John on my laptop and it's running for my AI software, and I realized, Adam, you're not recorde. Their normal routine is to turn on recording as soon as you take off. As you're taking off, because he was flowing ustered by what had just happened with the drone, he forgot to start recording as soon as he shok Golm. And so I'm like, you'll see in the in the TV show that part where Bovo goes it's walking. It's walking like that part, that's real. That's that's when we spotted it, right and then and then I'm like, okay, it's okay.

31:21 It's okay because I've got recording on my laptop as well that is recording each frame as it comes in. So I'm like, okay, we're still good, We're still gig. And then he brought it act. We had to swap out batteries anyway, he bought it that swap out batteries, and then I shut down my laptop and it was recording, but it was really delayed because it was eating up memory as it's recording every frame. And so when I shut down my laptop as we took a little sweat break. I cut off the recording there too, so we had triple redumbment backup. We had the uh the drone itself recording that's hill because he hit the record button. The controller has a bathub recording that failed because he wasn't recording, and my laptop failed because I shut the lid on.

32:09 So the best footage you never see in the show. You see like a screenshot of from one of the camera guys behind our shoulder that like sawt part of it, but unfortunately the really like winter footage you just don't have it. I was frustrating. Yeah, I remember watching that and it is one of the best examples of the curse at Bigfoot. I believe that in recent times, like it's wild how many different things had to get messed up for that footage not to be captured. So I can I can feel like I feel you man like that that had to been really rough to uh to live through.

32:51 Yeah, yeah, that was that was harsh. That was harsh, but anyway, yeah, it was a huge. Now we had a guy go out the next day and look exactly where it was, because in that area we then found there's down the logs and he was going underneath the logs in this like complex web of a down log. So that's why we weren't seeing him, why he was getting fainter and fainter. He's hiding at Elis staff. They're smart, they're smart. You heard the noise, probably that you're an above or something and was finding cover on read logs. Wow. Yeah, that would be fascinating to see if you're able to access that. Still.

33:35 Yeah, I still have all the all the wraw footed fit to the pieces of stuff, but nothing like the when it ran across that trail and was huge, like and you have because we added in comparison to like Griffin his team, so you could see the size difference as well in the in really good footage. But aiden so yeah, so there was that we kind of I've since been on several expeditions with Matt and with like BFRO expeditions. We had one in Ohio where I really think we kind of propected the art of drones and watching.

34:18 I can tell you briefly about that if you're interested. I would love to hear that. That might be very helpful for listeners to know that are trying to get into drone usage when it comes to Bigfoot. Yeah, this is really good if you have a small group of people like that want to go out drone squatching. For a while, I had a website Drone Squatchers, but I haven't had time to maintain that. So what we did in Ohio was, first of all, I subscribe to a service called drone Stents and it's the same service used by law enforcement and rescue like search and rescue, and it provides software that tracks all of your drones locations.

35:02 But what was really cool is you can also use it on the ground. Your FOAE connects to it, and so so we had like we had our central station where we could see on a map where the drones were and where the ground search team was, and then we had the ground team put their fleers up to the phone camera and you could see through the you could see the flear and all of this was coordinated in map. So we had and then we had like a live audience. I don't know how many people were watching all this while we're while we were doing it, but it was It was pretty awesome because we saw a hotspot, something large and hot with the drone, but it was in the foliage. We couldn't get to it, but we were able to direct Ground Team UH to go with their fleers and you as the footage, it was as awesome. They're crunching through the forest and you can see through the flear and then it's a deer, you know. But the suspense is when everybody shoes. But so that that software when used right, like it's it's great in multiple gerones. You can see where they're at, you can coordinate all the activity, and it was really cool.

36:17 That is is fascinating. Let's say there's individuals that are trying to get into like I want to have a drone for bigfoot research? Should do you recommend a certain size or model? They would start with, I know these these things can get super super expensive. Yeah, I've got I've got. Two drogs that are my go to. But my buddy just recently got a UH there's like an American company that's making a copy of the d GI that but the evident was it's like almost identical and he swears by it and they're but I I I'm still a d g I guy. I like the d job for d GR Memby is my day drone. And then I've got the UGI and I'm trying to remember the name. Naja.

37:10 Uh it's uh shoot, it's a thermal drove. You don't want to go for the lower resolution. You want to go for like five twenty. Uh think that's the highest remember the spec but it is, Yeah, you need the higher resolution, Joe, And they're they're not that big now. It was still like around five thousand dollars. It's pretty icy. I would say if you're just getting started, just get a mini and do day drone day droning with that. It's such a great app It's such a a fun drone to fly around, and it's small and has higher resolution. There's a newer one out that that has a pretty good night camera on it as well, like the like color but low light, you know, and you're able to film with that. There's next on my list, trying to remember the name of it. There's a new larger camera that has both low light camera as well as the thermal camera, but it's only mounted on the larger Matrese drones like like we have. I can't remember t in something, but that camera. They did it for search and rescue because what they're finding is that you can see the hotspots on the therm, but you can't always identify what it is, so commony combining that with a low light camera, the search and rescue is able to identify what it

38:42 is that's next on my list to get camera wise. Yeah, Like, for example, we did a expedition in California up in the mountains in the Sierras with Matt and the problem there was there's rocks everywhere, and the hot rocks abstorbed the sun during the day and at night they're just hotspots littered everywhere. And for example, when I was on that ext edition, there was a ram or some kind of ungulate it looked like a ram, I'm not sure, or rather than a stag or something that had big horns. And that animal was less right in the firm than the boulders around it. And I think because they can serve the heat. You know, I'm not sure it's sparked to do the same way, but it makes sense for an animal that's out in the cold to have whatever layers of fur to be able to conserve their heat.

39:40 So the assumption that they're going to glow bright like a human might be completely you know wrong in some situations. Does that make sense. No, it absolutely does. I know thermal drones are definitely becoming more and more popular, but they're very expensive. They'd be curious to see if those ever start dropping down in price and then more more usable by the Yeah, I guess you could say, you know, every day squatterer. Not everyone has, you know, five six grand to drop on a drone. A couple of recommendations on there. So number one, do not waste your money on anything below the five twenty resolution like the three twenty eight and cheaper ones. And the frame rate really matters, is you know, thirty or sixty the higher frame rate instead of going and wasting your money on the lower drone where you're you're just you're gonna see stuff and you're not gonna be identify it, don't even bother. Instead, find two or three like minded people, pull your money, get one higher end drone and sure, and here's another thing. As soon as you get the drone, sign up for DGI Here. You only have a short period of time after you buy it to sign up for DGI Care. They are awesome, It's are much money and they will immediately send you a priestmantro when and if it's more of an when you crotch your drone, because you will glaf it and it'll immediately send you a replacement and you send in the damage drone like

41:12 they're awesome. But if you don't sign up quick enough, you miss that window to sign up. That's awesome. So you're in down in Costa Rica. Now, are there any plans maybe in the future to go back on Bigfoot expeditions or you kind of moved past that now. Never. I'll never move to right right exactly mortgage now. I don't think there's any muffing worry or anything in my neighborhood in Costa Rica now, but I'll definitely go back. You know, my son and I love camping and squatching with uh with Matt so uh at some point, maybe even over the Christmas break, I want to go back squatching in my old stomping grounds in Seattle area. Maybe I'll go back to that hot spot and bring my thermal grown as long as I've got a few other people and give it a serious effort this time. Yeah, that'll be awesome.

42:09 That would be fascinating. I just want to say thank you for spending some time talking about what you've experienced. If you are able to go back to that that place that was it, Monkey Tree Forest area, I would love to hear about it definitely. You know, feel free to reach out with any updates you have. Faker South Twin, Yeah, Mount Faker South Twin area. If anybody's trying to find it, look for Salmon Hatchree and it's right in that neighborhood. Boom, there you go. And that song is that on public land as well? Yeah, okay, there's a campground here there. I can't remember when I usually didn't gamp at the canform. If you get a the there's a past Force past I think it was called, where you can just parkrom with side of the road and and go camping. It's awesome up there. Yeah, thank you for your time. Thank you for let me blab on for whatever a couple of hours. Aaron, this is.

43:03 Fun, awesome, well great, great talking to you man, and have a great rest of your day down there in Costa Rica. Dude. All right, thanks Ben, have a good day. Ku Abda. Thank you for listening to this episode of the Big Fust Society podcast. Robert's story is one that's incredible, not only for the sighting itself, but also for the knowledge that he was able to share about drown usage when it comes to looking for sasquatch. If you enjoyed this conversation, please subscribe to us on YouTube, hit the bell icon so you don't miss the next episode, and share this one with a friend who's in the Bigfoot, the Pacific Northwest or a mystery that refuses to be solved. And if you're listening to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, and make sure you're following the show there, and if you leave us a five star positive review, it really helps others find us. And if you or someone you know has had a big Foot encounter, especially in the Mount Baker area or anywhere across the Pacific Northwest or the world for that matter, I'd love to hear from you, so please email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

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