May 26, 2025

Ohio Farm Family Faces Bigfoot

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Season 1

What happens when a mother and daughter discover their quiet Ohio farm might not be as peaceful as it seems? In this eerie and emotional episode of Bigfoot Society, we sit down with Judy and Grace, a mother-daughter duo from northeast of Columbus, Ohio, who share a series of life-altering encounters with something large, silent—and watching.

Grace recounts two unforgettable sightings: one at just 11 years old, facing a towering, ashy-brown figure from behind the wild rose bushes, and another years later, witnessing a dark shape gliding across a ridgeline—arms pulled tight like it was cradling something. As they connected the dots over time, a pattern of tree knocks, mimicry (including phantom chicken sounds), and strange silence in the woods began to paint a chilling picture.

You’ll hear stories of a terrified German Shepherd refusing to go near the woods, ancient tree structures that mysteriously vanished, and a local legend about giants buried along the very same river. Could this secluded Ohio ridge be more than just farmland?

Whether you're a believer, skeptic, or just love a mysterious backwoods tale—this is an episode you won't forget.

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You're listening to Big the Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron

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Tonight's story doesn't come from the Pacific Northwest or even

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the mountains of Appalachia. Comes from the quiet farm fields

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northeast of Columbus, Ohio, where mother and daughter found something

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watching them from across the field. It started with a

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strange figure behind the wild rose bushes. Then came the mimicry,

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the silent woods, and the terrified dog, and the moment

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when everything they thought they knew about their land changed forever.

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This isn't a story about believing in Bigfoot. It's a

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story about what happens when it starts believing in you.

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And this is a story of Judy and Grace in

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what was waiting in the bend of the river. So

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stay with us, all right, Bigfoot Society. You've got the

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privilege of talking to Judy in Grace today. Judy in Grace,

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they're on a farm that is northeast of Columbus, Ohio.

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I've been having some interesting activity happened over the years.

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We have Judy is mother, Grace is the daughter. Just

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for context as well. Welcome to both of you and

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thanks for being on the show. Today.

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Yeah, thank you, Oh, thank you so much.

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It's quite an honor, awesome, and Judy, I want to

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make sure that we have the time to get through

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this whole account, so I'm going to go ahead and

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pass things over to you.

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Well, first I just have to start by saying, you know,

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I have always believed in Bigfoot my whole life, but

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never my wildest dreams would I ever have thought that

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I might actually have an experienced someday. I believe in

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this kind of thing, but I'm also extremely skeptical, so

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I don't just jump in and believe just anything. So

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when my daughter had her first sighting, I'm absolutely looking back,

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I'm horrified to know that I discounted her, completely discounted

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her experiences. I shocked myself that I was so skeptical.

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And what ends up happening is that I thought, in

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her experience or her sighting the first one, that it

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was a bear, and I got myself completely completely convinced

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that it was a bear, but it definitely wasn't. So Grace.

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We'll explain her two sightings.

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So the first sighting, I was probably eleven years old,

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so a few years ago. For context, I'm twenty about

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to be twenty one in July, and I was back

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at our river. We have a river running through some

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woods of ours in our backyard, and my cousin and

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one of my close friends, we were back at the

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river like we normally do. I used to swim in

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the river all the time when I was growing up,

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and I never really felt weird back there. And that's

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why just the three of us went by ourselves, because

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we were going back there, and after a while of

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us playing in the water, skipping a few rocks, we

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started to feel a little bit weird. We kind of

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felt like we were being watched. And you know, we

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all feel we can tell when we're being watched, so

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we knew something was up. So we were like, okay,

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let's just let's just head back to the house, you know,

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let's just get some food or whatever. And when we

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were walking back, it's probably about what a five minute

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walk back to the house from the river ten fifteen.

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Minutes back to the house.

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On our walk, we turned back because we really felt

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like we were being watched. And that's when we saw

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a kind of ashy brown figure standing at the tree line.

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So there's a field and then trees and then the river.

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So there was you know, like I said, an ash

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Brown figures standing just watching us, very still didn't move.

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Could see that there was no real distinction of shoulders

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in the head. It kind of just all you know,

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blended in together, so it was a very thick neck,

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and we all just kind of we stood there for

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I don't know a few seconds, maybe enough time to

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look at each other being like do you see that,

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agreeing yes, we all see that, and then running back

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like we just saw a ghost because you know, we

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just saw bigfoot or you know, didn't come to find

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that out later, but it was Ashley Brown. And then

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just recently, just this past summer, we kind of measured

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the weeds that it was standing behind because we could

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only see from the chest up, and so we measured

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those bushes about what would you say, five.

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Five and a half feet high there wild rose bushes, Yeah,

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all back there, so.

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It would have had to have been up to nine

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feet tall on the scale that the bushes are, it

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would have had to have been nine foot tall because

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we saw it from the chest up and we came back,

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we were all like, you know, pale as all can

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be because what we just saw and then a few

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of the years later or so, when I was roughly

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fourteen or fifteen years old, I was with a different

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friend and we were again back at the river at

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a different place.

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We were back.

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Kind of farther deeper into the river, and we were

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just skipping rocks, swimming in the river. And then we

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heard chickens when we were back there, and I was like.

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We both looked at each other. We were like, that's weird.

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I don't know of any chickens. You know, It's been

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my whole life that I've lived here. I've never heard

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chickens back there. And so we kind of were like, Okay, that's.

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A little weird.

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Maybe our neighbors got chickens or whatever. Come to find out,

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there are no chickens near us. And then I started

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to feel weird again. And I wasn't telling my friend

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anything because I was like, you know, I don't.

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Want to scare her.

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And then all of a sudden, we or I really

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felt something off. And then the woods went quiet, and

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I every summer went back to the woods never heard.

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The woods go silent.

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There was not a cricket, not a frog, not a bird, nothing.

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And then so after I felt that. I was like,

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that's really weird. So I started to scope the area,

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and there's a ridge on the other side of the

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river where we were standing, so it was directly across

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from where I was standing. Started to scope that cliff

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side and there was a little opening of trees where

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I saw this figure, this dark figure, glide across the

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opening of the trees. It was hunched over. It was

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on two feet, so it was running, and it looked

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very large. It had its arms curled up close to

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its chest, looking like it was holding something. I didn't

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see enough detail to see if it was actually holding something,

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but it was just gliding across. I didn't hear its footprints.

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It didn't make any noise in the trees, didn't make

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any sort of crunching on twigs. And I've seen deer

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though past I've seen other animals, kind of coyote, running

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across and they make sounds. I know what the wildlife

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in our backyard looks like. It did not look like

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any of those. It was too big to be a human.

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And you know, me and my mom tried to recreate

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what it looked like, or I tried to recreate what

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it looked like and it was too hunched over its

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torso was too horizontal for a person to be able

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to recreate what it looked like at the speed it

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was running and the smoothness of its run, and it

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wasn't a bear because it was too slim to be

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a bear, too fast, too smooth to be a bear.

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Because you know, when bears are walking, they're kind of meandering,

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kind of you know, lugging around, and then when they're running,

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there's a distinct way they run their you know, shoulders

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raised and then their hind raises after they plant their

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first two feet, and it wasn't doing that. It was

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running on two legs. And then that's when I was like,

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you know, told my friend, I just saw something.

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We got to get out of here.

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So we ran back to the house and that's when

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I told my mom that I just saw somebody back there,

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and he first.

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Thought it was a bear. Yeah, and I just completely

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poo pooed it, thinking yeah, whatever, And then I thought

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I saw a footprint that my stomach sank because it

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looked like a human print, but it was then a

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print on top of a print, and so I start

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doing all this research thing we really don't have bears

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around here, but it's possible there are a couple bears ish,

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and so I was just certain, Okay, well it was

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a bear. She saw a black bear, And then I

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started looking up. The whole chicken thing didn't make sense.

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We are in a more than one hundred acre farm

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and then there's fields around that, so we are not

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anywhere close to anyone. Even if they did have chickens,

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we couldn't hear it. And so I thought, wow, well,

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what's that is that just I don't know. I looked

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it up, and I guess sometimes bear cubs can sound

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like That's what I thought there. It is the more

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we the more we've experienced, the less I think that's

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the case. My son and his friend were back at

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the river then around at the same time. He would

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have been probably twelve at the time, and they were

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back there fishing, and they came charging back and his

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friend said, there's an orange man back there. So of

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course I put PuO it and I'm thinking, okay, a

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hunter wearing like, you know, those bright orange vests. But

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my son's friend hunts, and he would have known that.

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He would have said it would have was a hunter's vest.

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So he said there was an orange man. So so

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that's that. The other thing that I wanted to say

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before I get to my experiences is that all of

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these things that Grace experienced and that I experienced, we

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had no idea they had anything to do with Bigfoot.

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So it's not like we were trying to make anything fit.

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We came to that realization afterwards. In the chickens. By

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the way, I was listening to one of your podcasts

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just last night. I listened to all of them, and

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it was one of them, and she said talked about

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how she heard chickens as well, kind of mimicking chickens.

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So for mine, mine started in October of twenty twenty one,

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and I kept hearing tree knocks back there, and at

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first I didn't know what that was. And then we

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went to a Bigfoot talk at our local library and

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he talked about Mark Dwarth and he talked about tree knocks,

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and all of a sudden we just first done. That's

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probably what that was. So and I did send you

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a video where one of them I captured on video.

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I'm unfortunately kind of saying a word over it, which

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makes me mad. But I didn't know it was going

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to happen. Then that really got me before my experiences started.

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As I would walk, We've got a German shepherd, and

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she would go back. We would go every day back

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in the woods for our walk, and she loved it.

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She ran, she jumped, This was the greatest time in

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the world. And all of a sudden she would get

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antsy back there and she would be kind of pointing,

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you know, looking at a particular place. And finally she

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got to the point where she would stop before we

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even got back into the woods. And then she would

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stand in front of me and not let me get

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go any further. So I'd try and try and get

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her back there, and she wouldn't go. So we'd turn

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around and she'd run back. Every time we'd go on

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a walk, she would not She would she would quit

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closer and closer to the house. I mean we're still,

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you know, probably half a mile from the house, but

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she wouldn't make it any further each time, and it

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would get closer and closer where she around, and finally

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she was just like, you know, hey, you're on your own, honey,

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I'm going back, and she wouldn't even block me. And

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I got to where I thought, Okay, I'm going to

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trick her, and we walked another direction around one of

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our fields, and then we kind of went to the

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side and I got her going. She was fine, and

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the minute she rounded where that corner was and she

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could see the woods back she went. It got so bad.

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She would dig, try to dig under our deck to

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hide before I could get obviously, she would beat me

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back to the door and it would get so bad

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she would not go on a walk. She wouldn't even

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go around the barn to even think about going on

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a walk, And it got to the point where I

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couldn't even get her to go outside. She was so

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absolutely terrified. So this is what then led me to

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contacting an animal communicator. And I was not thinking Bigfoot

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at all about this, but a friend of mine had

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used this animal communicator. And again, I believe in mediums.

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I believe in all that, but I'm just very skeptical

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because I don't know if these people are actually good

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at it, right, So I wasn't thinking much. I was

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just wanting to know what was in Abby's mind so

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that I could get her to go on these walks

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again with me. And that's all I said to the man,

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and I told him that she was a German shepherd

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and that she wouldn't go back there. And he starts saying,

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he said, well, she's smelling something noxious. Now, none of

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us have ever smelled anything. Grace said she didn't smell

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anything with her sightings. But he says something really bad,

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like dead animal, pooh, everything bad, noxious, And then he

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was asking. He says, I don't know, I'm trying to

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figure this out. Do you have like a gas line

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or something through your property? And I sid, well, yeah,

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but not anywhere close to that. And we've never smelled that.

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So he kept going and then he says, I'm seeing

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of course, he's saying that he's getting this from Abbey,

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but he says, I'm seeing really black fur, really really

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long dark fur. And he says, and if I see

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fur like that, it means it's an animal that's alive.

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So something is back there. And he says, longest fur,

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and he said that I wrote this down. He says

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it's like a bear, but not a bear, and then

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he kept saying, I didn't think we had bear here

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in Ohio. But it's a bear, but it's not a bear.

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It's bigger than a bear, and I finally just spoke up.

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I said, might it be a bigfoot? And he said, yes,

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that's what I was thinking. He says, but I wasn't

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going to say it. I'm going to make you say it.

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So he says, I didn't even think there were bigfoot

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in Ohio and completely new to him. But he says

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that that's what she's terrified about. And he said, you know,

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it could be miles away that she's smelling. It was

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then soon after that that I heard my first howl.

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And I sent you a map of our farm and

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there are three arrows in it. The lowest era of

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the one down furthest on the picture is where I

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found the tree structures. The next one up to it,

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like a little north east of that arrow is another era.

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That's where I heard this howl come from. And it

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was probably one in the morning. I had taken Abby

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out still night and I heard one howl. And at

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this point I had no idea what the Ohio howl was.

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Never heard it, and I came back in the how

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thinking what the heck was that he wasn't a coyote.

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I know coyotes, and when they get going, they get going,

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and it's terrifying because the whole pack that's going. This

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was one single creature, one howl, and I recorded myself

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doing it. It kind of went up and then down,

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and then that's when I started looking it up and

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I heard the Ohio how and my spine just tingled.

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That's exactly what I heard. So then I it was

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a couple weeks after that, I was woken up by

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these howls and they were at the northern part, so

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at the top part of that picture there's an eraw.

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That's where I heard the next set, and it was

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about three in the morning. It was the same Ohio

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how with maybe a fifteen second interval in between each one.

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I heard maybe four or five of them, and by

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the time I got up to get my phone out

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to go to the front door to record this, they stopped,

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so that was kind of a bummer. So then it's

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the tree structures, so I decide, well, that's where I

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had heard this howl. So on one of my walks,

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I went back in the woods that way and that's

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where I saw all these They were just like branches

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bent over. There were two main arches and I thought

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they stuck out like a sore thrum, because everything is

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just straight. The trees don't do that back there, And

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when I was looking at them closer, it wasn't like

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they were woven, but kind of you know, this wasn't

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just a natural fall, because the branch would be on

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one side and then it would kind of curve around

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and it would hook the tree anyway. And I just

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thought that is so so bizarre. And so then soon

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after that, my brother, who wanted to see this. He

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just could not understand how people would say, you know,

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I feel like somebody is watching me. He says, I

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don't understand that. He completely believes in this, but wanted

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to see it for himself. We went back to the river.

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He didn't feel anything. We went back to where those

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tree structures were. He got in there and he's as

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we got to get out of here. He just felt

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like we needed to get out. I had never felt that,

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but he did. Maybe it was because he was a man.

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And then I went back and I had sent you

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another picture where I looked up and there was a

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pelt of a raccoon late flat. You know, it wasn't

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a dead raccoon, it was the pelt of one and

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it was perfectly half hanging over a branch way up

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in the tree, and I thought, he did that get

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up there? I look up in the trees all the time.

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I'm a tree fanatic, and I've never seen anything like that.

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The branch was too thin for an actual raccoon to

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die up there, you know, half over the branch, it

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wouldn't have held it up. And it was just sitting

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up there. And I think maybe two days later I

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went back and it was gone, was not on the ground.

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It was nowhere, no to be found. So and now

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I've gone back since then and none of those tree

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structures are there because all of those branches dried up

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and broke off and they're just down on the ground now.

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So what we saw was obviously fresh, freshly dug. So

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those are the things that we've experienced. We just think that,

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you know, we've got one hundred plus acre farm. We've

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got fields all around, as we have thirty five acres

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of woods, and we've got this river, a small river,

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but it's a river that flows through our property through

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the woods and it meanders. And I've also heard on

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one of your podcasts somebody saying that bends in the

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river something that they congregate around. Well, we've got probably

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five bends around the river.

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That's very very true. Yep.

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Yeah, And we've got this huge ridge. Know I'm terrible

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with distances and heights, but that that ridge is one

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hundred feet problem. It's huge, the one that Grace saw

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one on top of. So we've got all kinds of deer, turkey, everything,

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so it would be a good place to find one.

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I don't know, you know, and I'm not saying what

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I experienced was, but now I completely believe Grace with

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what she saw. And now I just go back there.

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And I've also heard maybe speaking in an indigenous language

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they like, So I go back there and say, I'm

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your friend, and I say it in Cherokee and thank

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you for letting us share these woods. We're not trying

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to do anything.

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So wait, so you're saying words in Cherokee to them

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and phrases.

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Yes, just I am your friend, CEO ALI, And I

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hope that's correct if anybody listening. I just looked it up.

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Are there any responses after you do things like that?

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No, I've never heard anything.

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No, that's really interesting.

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I just say it every single time I walk back

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and cross that tree line into the woods just to

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say I'm just here, thank you for letting us share

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these woods, and I'm your friend, and I will leave

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you in peace. And I don't know, I don't think.

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We don't think they're actually living back there now. We've

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had nothing in the last two years.

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And Abby or Dog can go back there now.

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Abby can go back there now. But we definitely think

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they were back there. They were passing through, you know,

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we're oh oh. And then also the time that I

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heard those howls, we were driving into the next little

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town over and lo and behold, got right behind a

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jeep that was a bigfoot research for jeep, and I

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remember commenting saying, see somebody else's experiencing something. I have

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no idea what that was. I haven't looked it up

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on the BFIRO or anything like that, but it just

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seems very od. And we have our small little library

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up here has had a number of big foot talks

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and the room is packed the only time the room

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is packed at the library, and every single person has

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had experience around here.

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Yeah, I'm not surprised at all. I mean, off air,

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you told me a little bit more about the area

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which we do have to, you know, keep things a

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little bit hidden for privacy. But it is looking at

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the area in the river orientation like you were mentioning,

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is really perfect. It's crazy, like the way that the

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river goes and the ridges and stuff. It's nuts. It's

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like I've seen a lot of you know, you talk

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about the curves and the bends, and it's just like

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it's a really good place, no doubt about it. I

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get a few questions for grace if now at a

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good time. So I'm looking at the photo or the

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iPad drawings that you sent over that you did of

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both of your encounters. So did you use the two

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different ones that you saw? They were definitely different colors then,

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because it looks like you've got the ashy brown, but

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then the one up on across the river is a

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darker brown, right, yes, yes, black black? Okay, gotcha, gotcha.

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Very interesting. How far away from the one where you

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had the face to face encounter where.

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You fifty feet fifty feet?

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Yeah, something, I'm not very distance, I'm not.

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I'm yeah, I don't know exactly where you were standing,

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but that where that bend is and where she pointed

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out it was standing.

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Yeah, feet Yeah, Okay, so yeah that I mean, that's

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that's pretty close. I mean, when you're talking feet, were

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you able to notice any any details about how it

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looked at all? Besides color?

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I wasn't really able to see. I already have pretty

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bad eyesight, but I was able to see like the

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darkness of the face, Like around the eye area it

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was pretty dark, and the mouth and nose area, it

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was a.

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Darker color than the rest of its body.

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Okay, that's that's very interesting.

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And she said it was just standing Yeah, it was

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standing still.

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Okay, got it? Got it. Did you see anything about

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it that would make you lean more towards This looked

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more human, or this looked more ape like? Or was

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it a just completely different?

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I mean it obviously wasn't a person, obviously, and it

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looked too upright to be like an ape.

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So it was.

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Really like I had never seen anything like it before.

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You know, my mom used to work with chimpanzees, and

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I've seen a bunch of different types of apes.

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Didn't look like any of those. It was just totally different.

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Gotcha. If we need to, we can take out that

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thing about your employment too. That's up to you.

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Employment.

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How you used to work with apes?

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Oh that wasn't employment. No, Oh okay, I did it

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on the side.

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Oh fun, Okay, that's awesome, just like volunteer. Okay, cool. Yeah,

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they're good. Y're good. This is on the side as well.

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But have you guys ever, Well, I'm just gonna say

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you should look up the BFRO reports for your county.

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Have you done that?

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I had several years ago, but I haven't lately, and

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I should have done that before.

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There's one where it's because you're in looking right. Yes, yeah,

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there's one where like people see something that looked like

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a baboon back in eighty four, which is kind of weird,

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but very very weird.

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The the bigfoot researcher that came and spoke at the

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library of the first one, and he's come back a

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couple of times. He he has talked about sightings south

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of US, north of US, east of US, I mean

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all around US.

462
00:27:54.799 --> 00:27:56.160
Are you talking about Mark de Worth?

463
00:27:57.359 --> 00:27:57.680
Yes?

464
00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:00.359
And Mark is a really, really smart guy and he

465
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.519
is like one of the top guys for Ohio. So

466
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:07.079
that's awesome that you were able to hear him talk.

467
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:12.039
I think the baboon one was in Dennison University. Okay,

468
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:15.000
it was in he said it was the they've got

469
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:17.440
like a not an arboretum, but they've got a huge

470
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:20.400
wooded area for classes and stuff. And it was one

471
00:28:20.440 --> 00:28:22.279
of the maintenance guys said he saw him up in

472
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:22.839
the trees.

473
00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:28.319
Oh, that's awesome. Have you ever reached out to see

474
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:31.160
if anyone could come out to your property to take

475
00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:33.079
a look around, that would be a researcher.

476
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.039
I well, I said something to Mark de Worth when

477
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:41.359
he came back, and he, you know, he said that, yeah,

478
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:44.039
our place sounds like it would be a good spot,

479
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:47.240
and he said I'd have to see the stuff. But

480
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:49.200
I don't think he was able to do it that night,

481
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:51.680
and I don't he hasn't been back in this area.

482
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.200
We also talked to Doug Waller. He came and spoke

483
00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:02.079
and yeah, he had interviewed Grace about the sightings. By

484
00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:05.119
that point, I hadn't had my experiences, so it was

485
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:06.200
all just Grace.

486
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:12.799
Before. Because Grace's stuff was that it kind of kicked

487
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.799
it off right before that. Was there any like really

488
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:17.759
traumatic experience that happened.

489
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:22.519
No, And that's something that I was gonna point out

490
00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:27.599
before or when I was talking is I. I never

491
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:31.440
drank alcohol when I was a kid, never smoked, never

492
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:35.759
did drugs, very by the rule book, didn't have any

493
00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:37.680
traumatic experiences I was.

494
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:38.440
I'm not.

495
00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:44.000
I don't have schizophrenia. So it's truly because I have

496
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:49.119
a friend who's very skeptical and his biggest thing was, well,

497
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:50.640
did you hallucinate it?

498
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:55.119
And I'm like, no, there's there's nothing to have.

499
00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:00.000
Made me hallucinate, didn't have any traumatic experiences, wasn't I

500
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.200
on any drugs, didn't have a big hangover.

501
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:08.160
So yeah, and she's never done anything like this before.

502
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:11.559
I mean, so it's not like she sees creatures in

503
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:14.319
the woods.

504
00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:16.599
And I to kind of clarify what I meant there.

505
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:22.319
So just a pattern that I've found over the years

506
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:26.680
is that a lot of witnesses will have had something

507
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:30.880
traumatic happen in their lives and then they'll have a sighting.

508
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:33.640
And so when I'm talking about like traumatic events, it

509
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:35.720
could be something like you like.

510
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:38.240
A friend dying, remember friend dying.

511
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:43.240
Or you've got divorced, or something like really like you

512
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:47.960
lost something. And sometimes when stuff like that happens, you know,

513
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:52.200
I think there could be some like chemical signal that's

514
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:55.079
that's thrown out there, but it's just something that I've

515
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.880
kind of been looking into. But so nothing like that

516
00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:02.559
at all.

517
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:05.200
I don't remember. I also remember Mark the Worth talking

518
00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:09.480
about how they're so it seemed to be interested in kids.

519
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.880
So I could see very much that if Grace was

520
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:16.200
back there with her friends, you know, they were probably

521
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:20.000
as much on display as you know, any animal in

522
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:24.599
the zoo, and so they probably have been watching. So oh.

523
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:32.880
Absolutely, and there was an individual that had a sighting

524
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:35.559
of one with orange hair. Was that right?

525
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:42.480
Yes? Yes, my son's friend came back and said, it's

526
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:47.359
an orange man back there, And that was so far

527
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:49.839
before it didn't even occur to me that that's what

528
00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:50.319
it could be.

529
00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:54.279
Absolutely, And were there any other details that were able

530
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:58.000
to be received from him besides like just or orange

531
00:31:58.000 --> 00:31:58.599
color to it?

532
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:03.799
No, just orange color. And they came charging back up

533
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:08.160
and this is a big kid, and it just killed me,

534
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:11.400
I mean, and I was just sort of laughing. But that, Yeah,

535
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:14.920
the more I think about it now that kid still hunts,

536
00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:17.279
and well he's a man now, but.

537
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:19.160
Yeah, I.

538
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:23.480
Just thought it would be a hunter. But now putting

539
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:27.359
all these together, saying oh oh, and then there was

540
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:31.039
One other thing that had happened for me is when

541
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:34.119
I was walking and I again you can see on

542
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:38.039
our the map the path going back to the woods

543
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:41.839
actually runs parallel to the river at one point, like

544
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:45.039
right in the middle. And so I'm walking parallel to

545
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:47.839
this river and there's trees on both sides, it's all

546
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:51.480
in the woods, and out of the blue, this huge

547
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:56.720
limb came crashing down like I could hear it like

548
00:32:56.839 --> 00:32:59.720
that all the way down. I've never in my life

549
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:03.160
heard that. It was not windy, never heard it before,

550
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:06.160
never heard it since. And I'm thinking, what was that?

551
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:09.119
Scared me to death, you know, my husband saying, Oh,

552
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:11.599
it was probably an animal that caught up on there.

553
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.319
That'd be a pretty dagon heavy squirrel, and it was

554
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:16.720
right in the middle of the day, so it wouldn't

555
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:20.319
have been a raccoon. I just wonder, you know. Again,

556
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:24.880
it's one of those things that just adds to the possibilities,

557
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:27.839
but I don't want to make them try to fit.

558
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:35.960
Yeah, exactly. It's a tricky thing because I feel when

559
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:37.720
I when I go out and do stuff, I try

560
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:42.240
to be on the side of like overly skeptical because

561
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:46.440
I don't now get like blinders on. But I mean

562
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:49.200
there's I was looking through the pictures you sent, and

563
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:53.200
there's some really interesting like pictures of arches that you sent,

564
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:59.039
even some of them where they are. It's the scenario

565
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:01.720
where like the the trees arched over and then there's

566
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:04.880
something holding it down right exactly.

567
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:08.239
And that's why I thought it's not necessarily woven. And

568
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:10.559
Grace went back and saw it too, She's like, this

569
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:15.800
is not natural fall where if a tree fell on

570
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:18.800
one of those smaller saplings, it would have just sort

571
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:22.719
of rolled off and bounced up and it was placed

572
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:28.840
and then like anchored down between the branches, and there

573
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:31.320
were two of them. It just shocked me when I

574
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:34.920
went back there because I'd never seen that, and again,

575
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.519
I didn't know those were tree structures. That's another thing

576
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:41.199
you start learning the more you get into this, like

577
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:44.199
oh my gosh, that fits too.

578
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:47.079
Yeah.

579
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:50.400
The more you get into this whole deal, you start

580
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:55.239
to get the terminology and you start to see patterns

581
00:34:56.039 --> 00:35:00.039
in people's reports. It's really wild stuff. Have you you

582
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:05.119
ever talk to any of your neighbors about if they

583
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:06.679
have similar things happen?

584
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:14.119
I have not. We're so we really don't have close

585
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:20.480
neighbors anyway. Yeah, so I've never heard of anyone other

586
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:23.679
than the people that were at the library that we're

587
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:29.559
talking about. And one was a police officer. No, she

588
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:32.360
was a bailiff, but she was in full uniform and

589
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:36.760
she had an experience right around here. Oh wow, it's

590
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:39.400
just it's obvious. Well, and then you kind of there

591
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:42.599
are a couple houses that have, you know, the black cutout,

592
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:47.000
and I see a lot of bigfoot stickers on trucks

593
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:49.519
and cars, and it's like, you don't do that unless

594
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:54.760
you really believe or have had an experience. Now I

595
00:35:54.800 --> 00:36:01.800
can't say that for sure, but I just I think

596
00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:04.800
a lot of people have experienced something.

597
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:11.039
There's no way it's it's only you guys on that

598
00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:15.039
stretch of river. It's it's just wild. It's a really

599
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:20.000
cool it's a really cool area. Now you have like

600
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:25.960
really interesting things happening happening on your property outside nothing

601
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:30.440
nothing weird that's happening inside the house, the ordinary, just

602
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.360
outside in the woods. Right.

603
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:39.440
Yeah, Yeah, that's good. I mean, yeah, it kind of

604
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:42.960
a bit more on the just the spiritual side, you know,

605
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:49.639
positively positive spiritual spiritual things. But no, we've never had

606
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:52.360
anything like it's come up to the house. I don't

607
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:57.039
think you know, no, nothing slamming on the house, knocking

608
00:36:57.159 --> 00:37:02.199
on the house. Yeah. Now in the video I had

609
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:04.039
sent you where you can hear could you hear the

610
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:05.039
tree knock?

611
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:10.880
Yeah? So because you had said pay attention after I

612
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:14.159
say this certain sentence, I cranked it up a little bit.

613
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:16.800
You can hear it in the background, yeah, which I

614
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:19.159
thought was great that your microphone actually picked it up.

615
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:24.480
Oh, and that's what both Grace and I think that.

616
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:28.119
You know, you get to questioning yourself and then I think, oh,

617
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:31.480
did I really hear the tree knocks? Now I'm hearing it.

618
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:33.440
You know, you look it up and you hear it

619
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:37.840
online and I got that, so I know, yep, I

620
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:40.320
sure did. But when I was back there, the whole

621
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:43.480
thing about the walnuts coming down is at the time

622
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:47.159
I thought they were getting thrown at me, but it

623
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:49.159
could very well be it was fall so it could

624
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:53.840
have been just falling out of the trees. But at

625
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:55.000
least I got that knock.

626
00:37:56.400 --> 00:38:00.280
Has there ever been anything out of the ordinary that

627
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:04.559
you found around your house, like it was left or

628
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.199
just something that did not make sense for it to

629
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:07.599
be there?

630
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:14.000
Nothing, No, and I even, yeah, when we saw those

631
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:19.239
tree structures. I took a twinkie back there one time,

632
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:23.320
an apple to do gifting, and nothing happened. Of course,

633
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:27.400
they didn't keep doing it for months or anything.

634
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:33.639
Gotcha. So no like random deer legs left on different

635
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:36.079
parts of the property. Okay, good, Are there a lot

636
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:37.840
of deer on your property? Though?

637
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:42.199
Yes, okay, we have a lot and a lot of turkey.

638
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.559
We don't have any farm animals. We used to have

639
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:50.440
two goats years ago, three goats, but nothing ever happened

640
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.880
to them. But that was years before even Grace had

641
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:54.679
her experience.

642
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:17.239
Yeah, and and nothing, I think, nothing that would no

643
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:19.280
like weird communication things.

644
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:27.639
Ever, no other than my brother felt that's true when

645
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:32.599
he went back to those, yeah, those structures, and he

646
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:40.519
he is probably the most educated person I know, And yeah,

647
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:43.760
he just said, it's saying get out, get out now.

648
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:47.440
And he just turned and I just sort of felt like,

649
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:50.719
that's just weird that I've never felt it. But then again,

650
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.360
you know, it does seem like men could be a

651
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:59.559
little more intimidating, not intimidating, Nothing could intimidate them. But

652
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.239
it's do you know, territorial. Maybe I don't know.

653
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:05.719
No, I think that's an interesting thing because you do

654
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:11.440
hear more than a few times where it's like the

655
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:16.960
males will be messed with. Yeah, yeah, which is really interesting.

656
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:20.400
Great for you because you know, I don't have to

657
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:23.519
worry about that, but uh, it's great.

658
00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:27.000
And I think that's that's why Grace had more than me.

659
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:32.079
You know, she had more of a direct sighting as

660
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:36.639
a younger person and female. Yeah. So, and it was

661
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:42.719
always girls back there, Yeah, except for my son and

662
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:47.679
his friend. But they didn't seem to be threatened. I

663
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:49.960
mean they never said anything happen. I think they just

664
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:53.760
saw something there scared the the gbs out of them.

665
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:59.480
Is there anything else that is reported weird about this

666
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:04.840
part of Ohio besides bigfoot things. It's maybe like folklore

667
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:05.800
wise or anything like that.

668
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:09.719
Oh, I'm so glad you've said that. Geez, I was

669
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:14.280
gonna had it on my list. There is a there's

670
00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:20.039
a folklore that said that there were giants here and

671
00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:25.639
that there were yeah, a grave of two or three

672
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:30.559
giants that was found. Now the bones aren't there anymore,

673
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:32.599
and it's just one of those things like, oh, the

674
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:36.840
early settlers of our little village had found them, and

675
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:40.800
so it's in the folklore. Well that's kind of odd too,

676
00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:42.079
you know.

677
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:49.159
Yeah, that's that's awesome. That is really cool. How far

678
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.880
back is I was that like eighteen hundred eighteen?

679
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:57.679
Yeah, eighteen sixteen is when our village was platted out,

680
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:00.800
and so it would have been very early on when

681
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:04.360
they were building. It was when they were making the cemetery,

682
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.079
and it was on the back side of the cemetery,

683
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:09.760
right along the ridge going down to the river that

684
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:14.320
was is the exact same one that comes through our farm.

685
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:19.159
It winds around. Wow. Really, And so they said they

686
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:22.679
saw it in the in the you know, in the stratigraphy,

687
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:26.119
kind of like it wasn't they weren't dug up. They

688
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:29.679
found them on the edge.

689
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:34.199
Can you break down what that word means for those

690
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:35.480
that might not be familiar with it.

691
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:41.280
Oh, stratigraphy. Yeah, yeah, it's just on the on the

692
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:44.679
the outer edge of you know, the dirt, where the

693
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:47.800
dirt has come away, and they saw the bone sticking

694
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:48.320
out of that.

695
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:49.119
Oh no way.

696
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:54.719
Well, the stratigraphy is just like layers of dirt. Yeah.

697
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:58.679
And and of course I am interested in our local history,

698
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:01.679
so I've tried to find out anything I could, and

699
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.880
I thought, you know, there's some scholars that do talk

700
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:09.880
about a giant race that seems very plausible. But to me, wow,

701
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:12.880
kind of would be this too.

702
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:16.639
Yeah, No, that's it's so weird, especially since you're saying

703
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:18.039
it's it's the same river.

704
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:19.920
Yep.

705
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:23.800
Was it written down? What happened to the bones? Was

706
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:25.480
it a thing where like they got shipped off to

707
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:27.679
the Smithsonian or we just might not know?

708
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:32.760
No, I think it was so long ago they probably

709
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:35.239
you know, probably in the eighteen twenties, oh true, and

710
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:39.039
so they would have just written it down, and it's

711
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:43.239
just in the folklore, yeah, our of our village.

712
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:46.000
I just find that very interesting. And it wasn't just one,

713
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:48.159
it was like two or three. I'm pretty sure.

714
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:51.760
That is so cool and it's a really it's a

715
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:54.920
really fun connection. I don't know if I think I

716
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:58.159
might have mentioned this once or twice, but we have

717
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:02.000
a situation like that out here in Iowa, which is

718
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:06.320
similar where there's the des Moines River that you know,

719
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:10.559
flows from let's say north west of Des Moines that

720
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:17.679
goes down to southeast Iowa, and there's down there in

721
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:20.559
the southeast there's Van Buren County, which is very, very

722
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.880
active with Bigfoot and dog man over the years. But

723
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:26.119
I had an individual reach out to me that just

724
00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:31.440
north of that, along the river around Dowds, Iowa, in

725
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:36.360
the forties, they would be all these sightings of giant giants,

726
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:39.960
actual giants, and they would actually call them the Yehudies.

727
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:43.360
This older gentleman reached out to me and said, yeah,

728
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:46.880
my grand my grandparents in the forties, they they would

729
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:51.840
have all these giants seen around the river. And man,

730
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:54.000
it almost makes you wonder if there's some kind of

731
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:56.119
connection there, you know, between.

732
00:44:55.880 --> 00:45:02.760
Oh, absolutely, absolutely, it's interesting. And then if you think

733
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:06.639
about in the eighteen twenties, this area was just all

734
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:09.840
I mean, it was frontier, so it was all wooded,

735
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:12.480
so it would make sense.

736
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:21.199
That's awesome, man. Interesting And for things you've experienced, how

737
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:26.000
long ago would you say the last thing you experienced

738
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:29.800
that would have been something probably related to Bigfoot on

739
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:34.639
the property.

740
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:39.239
I mean, I know that my last one was twenty

741
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:44.760
twenty three. I want to say, like November of twenty

742
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:49.760
twenty three, hit something down for twenty twenty four, but

743
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:51.800
I think that's when I went back there and all

744
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:55.679
the three structures were gone.

745
00:45:56.079 --> 00:46:06.039
Yeah, so I don't know. Interested Oh wait a minute something, Yeah,

746
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:09.360
I don't know. I mean, this is I almost hesitate

747
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:12.679
to bring this up. But in autumn of twenty twenty four,

748
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:18.719
I was outside with the dogs and I thought my husband,

749
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:23.159
my husband was in the field. You know, these are

750
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:27.440
farm fields, and I thought his tractor had broken down

751
00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:31.519
because I saw a light back there and I thought, oh, huh,

752
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:36.440
he's walking around and then he comes driving up. It

753
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:41.119
wasn't him, and it was somebody that had a flashlight.

754
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:43.039
It was the weirdest thing I've ever seen in my life,

755
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:47.280
just slowly going along the river, but not in the river.

756
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:50.320
I don't know. And then my husband teases me, said

757
00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:52.920
maybe it was bigfoot, like, well, yeah, it'd be great

758
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:56.280
if it was, but I don't. I have no idea.

759
00:46:56.880 --> 00:47:00.639
You know, it is one of those subjects where you know,

760
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:05.280
it can, you know, to some people be funny or creepy,

761
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:07.440
but you know, at the end of the day, it

762
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:10.320
is a thing where a lot of witnesses, like if

763
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:14.159
they have big foot activity, you know, they may also report,

764
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:18.480
well we've been seeing these like these or light orbs

765
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:21.880
and things, so that might be a thing to be

766
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.320
aware of as well. Who knows.

767
00:47:25.280 --> 00:47:28.679
Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah. And and then he went back

768
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:32.199
there in the tractor and you know, shine these huge

769
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:36.239
like halogen lights into the woods and I heard him yell, hey,

770
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:39.920
there's somebody back there, but it wasn't. He just thought

771
00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:43.000
he was yelling, So there's he didn't see anybody. So

772
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:43.800
it was just weird.

773
00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:56.039
And I don't he hasn't had any experiences on the property,

774
00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:56.400
has he.

775
00:47:59.679 --> 00:47:59.719
No.

776
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:04.440
He just said at one point he heard a soundback

777
00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:10.800
there that he had never heard before. Oh that's right, yeah, gotcha. Okay,

778
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:14.079
so see, but he's usually in its factor, and you know,

779
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:18.679
and he wants he wants to believe he's just never

780
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:19.840
experienced anything.

781
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:24.119
I got it. Yeah, himself like that, I got you,

782
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:28.480
I got you. Well we'll see what happens with that. Yeah,

783
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:33.039
but that's that's very interesting. But yeah, I mean, you

784
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:33.360
never know.

785
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:36.719
Yeah, And I should also say, you know, we've been

786
00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:42.519
living here for twenty five years, so we've been here

787
00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:45.599
a long time, so we know the sounds, we know

788
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:49.039
all of that, and it's just these few times that

789
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:53.039
stand out. So it's not like, oh, we moved in

790
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:55.000
last month and we're trying to make something of it.

791
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:57.320
You know, we've been here a long time, so we

792
00:48:57.400 --> 00:48:59.159
know what's here and what sounds are.

793
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:04.599
Oh yeah, absolutely, you're very very familiar with the land

794
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.639
that you live on, especially and after living there for

795
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:08.119
so long.

796
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:12.079
But yes, and me walking it all the time.

797
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:17.199
Absolutely absolutely, Judy and Grace, I just want to say

798
00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:20.440
thank you for coming on to share what you guys

799
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:24.360
are experiencing on your property. Kind of sounds like there

800
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:27.440
could be you know this, it's probably not just going

801
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:29.880
to go away. There'll probably be other stuff too, But

802
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:31.639
I just want to make sure you were able to,

803
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:35.159
you know, go through everything that you had set aside

804
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:35.800
on your notes.

805
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:41.599
I think we have and we just appreciate being able

806
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:44.599
to share our experiences. Thank you so much.

807
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:48.559
Oh absolutely yeah, And definitely keep me in mind if

808
00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:52.079
anything else happens on your property. I'd love to hear about.

809
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:55.079
You can always you send me an email or anything.

810
00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:59.400
And if you ever are able to hear anything from

811
00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:02.639
your neighbors, I'd be interested in that as well.

812
00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:07.719
But oh yeah, absolutely, yes, we definitely will. And I'm

813
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:11.239
a big fan of your podcast. It's my favorite one.

814
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:15.719
So thank you, absolutely, thank you to all you have

815
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:19.480
on awesome, awesome, It's been great, great talking to you

816
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:22.519
and thanks so much for coming on guys. Okay, thanks

817
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:23.159
so much.

818
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:25.639
Jill just wanted to take a minute to say thank

819
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:28.440
you for listening to this episode of The Big Society podcast.

820
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:31.000
Judy and Grace's story is one of those rare encounters

821
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:33.320
that gives you chills, not just because of what they saw,

822
00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:35.880
but because of how close it all came to home.

823
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:38.920
From the silent ridge to the wild rose bushes, from

824
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:42.360
the terrified German shepherd to a mysterious history buried in

825
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.079
the land, this one sticks with you so huge thanks

826
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:48.320
to Judy and Grace for their honesty, vulnerability, encourage and

827
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:51.280
sharing what happened. And if you enjoyed this conversation, please

828
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834
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835
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:12.440
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836
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:15.360
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837
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:17.440
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838
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839
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844
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845
00:51:36.840 --> 00:51:39.199
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846
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847
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