Ranch of the Beast: We've Got Bigfoot Down Here in Texas

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Welcome to the Bigfoot Society. In
this episode, I talked to John,

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who shares the bigfoot activity he's been
experiencing at an undisclosed ranch in southeast Texas.

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If you've experienced something similar to what
John has, or have more information

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regarding Bigfoot or other cryptids in the
same area, please reach out immediately to

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me after this episode. Remember,
your encounter could be the key to unlocking

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this mystery once and for all,
so please don't hesitate to contact me at

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Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.
All right, bigfot Society. We've got

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the privilege of talking to John tonight. He reached out to me from East

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Texas. How's it going tonight,
John, it's going well. Good to

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be here. I'm excited to talk
to you. It's been a little bit

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of time in coming, but I'm
going to actually let you have the floor.

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Feel free to introduce yourself as you
would see fit, and you can

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head right into what you've experienced.
All right, So sounds good. I'm

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just a regular guy. I'm not
a professional bigfoot hunter, I guess you'd

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say. And what I really want
to do is just shared my observations and

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some of my experiences that I've had
over the years. That's been a part

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of my Bigfoot journey. It started
back in grade school. Back in my

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day, there was this deal where
there was a book club and the teacher

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would get a brochure and she would
hand it out and there was selection of

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books that you could purchase. And
so anyway, I'm thinking, I'm about

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in seventh grade and I'm looking through
the brochure and I see this book and

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it's like a double feature. It's
on one side you got Bigfoot and on

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the other side you got The Likeness
Monster. And I thought, well,

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that looks pretty interesting. I phoned
it up my money and ordered it.

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In a couple of weeks, your
books come in and then I'll never again.

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The teacher is she got the box, and she's walked through class.

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She's passing up the books. She's
oh, okay, little Susie, I

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see that you got a book.
Oh, let's see the Julia Charles the

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Chef. Oh boy, that'll be
good. And little Jimmy, Oh,

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you got a book here on the
Apollo Astronauts. Oh, that'll be good.

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And then she gets to mine.
I'll never forget it. She pulls

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it out and she looks out.
She's, oh, John, you got

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a book on Bigfoot? And she
says, I hope you realize that this

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is nothing more than a man in
a monkey suit. And I was thinking

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to myself, well, this is
great. I spent all my money and

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I've got a book on a man
in a monkey see and so if I

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at least there's the log now monster. So anyway, I got home and

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I just put it on my bookshelf, never even touched it, so I

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guess. It's about a month later
and I'm over with my little buddy and

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we're riding our dirt bikes and it
goes to a rainstorm comes up and his

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mother calls the sentences, y'all kids, get out. Your lightning's going to

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strike you. So we come on
in the house and so we're sitting there

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and we're watching the TV, and, like a lot of people that I've

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heard on different podcasts, all of
a sudden there's this show that comes on

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and I'm hearing Leonard meanwhy, I'm
thinking, my gosh, that Spock And

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it's of course it's the old in
Search of the series that was on,

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and the particular one that was on
that day was on Bigfoot, and so

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I sat there, I'm glued to
the TV, and I mean, as

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fast as the show is over,
i am lickety split home. And I've

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grabbed that book and I read it
cover to cover three or four times.

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I wish I could remember the name
of it, but I can't for the

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life of me. But so anyway, that sort of kicked off my whole

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Bigfoot experience, so at least to
give me some knowledge as I grew older.

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I grew up on a ranch in
New Mexico in the Rocky Mountain Santa

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de Cristo Mountains, and hunted and
fished and just lived in the mountains.

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The ranch was at nine thousand feet, so we were way up in the

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mountains. And never the whole time
I was there, did you ever hear

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anything about Bigfoot, seeing Bigfoot,
any signs or anything of them. If

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you heard of Bigfoot, it was
always the Pacific Northwest. You just never

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heard of them in that area.
And I just grew up like a lot

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of people. I'm like, I
believe they exist, but they're in the

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Pacific Northwest. As time passes,
life goes on, you'd focus on your

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job and whatnot, and another.
And so anyway, Rock's on about i'd

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say about twenty years and my late
wife and I we decided that we were

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going to do a lot of traveling
up in the Pacific Northwest, all through

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Oregon, Washington Bridge, Columbia,
Alberta, the Canadian Rockies, the Yukon

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Territories, Alaska. We went all
the way to the Arctic Circle, and

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we spent a lot of time just
in not the tourist trap places, but

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the off the road places. We
did a lot of fishing. We would

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do a lot of we'd fly into
different camps and so on and so forth.

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We did a lot of rafting down
rivers fishing, and we had a

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lot of Native American guides, and
they're particularly the Chilicot tribe. Of course,

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there were some people from the I
think it's the Tagish, and then

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there was the oh gosh, there's
another one. I can't recall what they

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were Inuit Indians. And you would
hang around them, and one thing that

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I noticed about them was that there
if you when you bring on up Sasquatch,

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they're very protective about it. They
don't really they don't really share a

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lot. They may say something,
yeah, it's we believe this or that,

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but it's not until they get to
know you a little bit better that

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they'll start to actually share what they
actually believe. And like I said,

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we've been around a lot of fishing
guides. We had met, we had

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gone to a training facility. There
was a lady that was training dogs for

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that I did rod and she had
a couple of people that worked with her

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Native American mushers, and they had
some pretty interesting stories about experiences that they've

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had. Of course, another group
of people that I love to talk to

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was the bush pilots because they're flying
into all these road areas and so they

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have a lot of course that bird's
eye view, but when you're up there

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and you're taking all that in,
there's so many things that it's just you

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would be hard pressed to go to
that area and not believe that Sasquad exists.

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The museums, of course, there
are oral histories, they're written histories.

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You've got carvings and paintings and totem
poles that go back hundreds of years,

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and it's just fascinating that all of
these tribes had their own opinion and

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take. There's actually a book out
that I want to read by Kathy Strain.

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I think is her name. It's
called giants, cannibals and monstrous and

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it's I can't remember this lady's background, but it's basically about various Indian tribes

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and how that they distinguish Sasquatch watch
what is their opinion of Some of them

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consider it to be evil, some
of it considered it to be good.

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And that's the same thing that I
picked up in Canada was there's somewhat variations

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and how that they looked at a
Sasquatches and for each particular tribe. But

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anyway, I returned, we're back
in Texas and I'm still skeptical. I

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one hundred percent believe Sasquatch is in
the Pacific Northwest and Canada, possibly Montana

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in that area. But I am
just I'm just so skeptical that there could

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be any bigfoot Sasquatch in the lower
forty eight or the South. That's my

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attitude. I just I'm very skeptical. I actually manage ranch and we've got

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several thousand acres. There's pasture land, there's cypers bottoms, we got plantation

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pines, and then the ranch is
backed up to what's called Type two land,

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which in Texas it's basically wildlife preserves
that you can hunt on it,

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but it's basically land that's untouched.
And then backed up to that is a

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bunch of timber land that's owned by
the Timber company. And there again,

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there are some hunting leases on it, but not that many. And it's

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we're talking thousands upon thousands of acres
that are continual. And inside of this

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acreage is there's rivers, there's lakes, there's just on a ranch alone,

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there's four artes and wells that have
the best water you've ever tasted. There's

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canals and just multiple water sources.
I guess what I'm trying to get at.

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So I'm out in this every day
and I'm just to believe I'm oblivious

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to what's going on around me.
I would hear wood knocks and I'd be

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like a tree falling in the woods. I would hear whoops and say,

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I'm some kind of a kyoke stick
with coyot, and I just wasn't.

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I wasn't put any credits in what
I was hearing, and I was just

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there, again, they're not down
here. And one day we were fixing

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some fence, and I had a
pen, or I had a pasture with

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some young bulls that would let's just
say, would be east to where we

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were fixing this fence. And so
a lot of times when you've got those

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young bulls together and they'll try to
show out to each other and I have

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this very low beller, they'll just
boo and then they'll try and call another

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one out to have a push and
shove match. And so this bull was

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walking around out there and he was
doing this low beller, and all of

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a sudden, I noticed that directly
to the west of this I was hearing

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the same kind of sound, although
it was different. It's it's a little

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more raspy. And I got thinking. I was like, what in the

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world Because the area that I was
hearing the sound coming from was plantation pine

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and there should not be any cattle
over there. So my first thought is

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one of them's got out of the
pen and we got over there and got

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lost in the plantation. So we
got through fixing the fence and I go

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to the pin, go to the
pasture to check out the bulls. They're

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all there, and so then I
go to check the fence and the fence

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is not broke, and I'm thinking
to myself, what was to do because

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I know there's not any other cattle
back there, and I was very perplexed

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by that. When so I come
home and I'm just sitting around, and

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I thought, let me just look
and see. And so I get to

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looking on various websites and there's people
that have said, yeah, that bigfoot

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sasquatch will kind of they'll mimic sounds
such as that they'll do whistles, they

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may do howls. And I got
to think that that's interesting that happened that

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day, and so it was just
one little tidbit that was moving me in

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that direction. And so anyway,
you know, a couple of days pass

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and I'm starting to just pay a
little bit more attention to what's going on.

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So I ended up meeting this lady
and she is a just a bigfoot,

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a wealth of information she has just
from her childhood. She has studied

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bigfoot backwards, forwards, up and
down. And so we get to talking

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and when I'm telling her about it, and she implies, he needs to

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be a little more aware of what's
what's going on, and you might actually

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open up and may open up a
world to you. And so I do.

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I start paying a little bit when
I'm hearing wood Knox and start paying

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a little bit closer attention to him, and so on and so forth.

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And so we end up going to
a Bigfoot convention in Jefferson, and I

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ended up talking to this lady.
She's a biologist, but she's she had

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some other degree in plants that I
don't remember exactly what it was. I'd

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never heard of it before. But
so we get to discussing various things about

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big fit and she is the first
person that I remember that that coined the

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term wood ape, and I thought, ruh, and so it stuck with

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me, and so we were talking
about various things and she was she said,

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what is it exactly that you don't
believe that they're down here? And

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I'm like, I don't know that
there's enough. I'm skeptical about the food

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source. And she said, obviously, John, there's rodents, there's deer,

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there's hogs. And I was like, yeah, I understand that,

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but you would think that there would
be need to be more. And she

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goes to explain to me in great
detail about other various plants that that a

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wood ape could actually eat and survive
on. And when it started, I

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started thinking about it, and I
was like, gosh, when you think

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about it, ton of muscadines,
we've got dewberries, we've got what's called

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pope salad, which if not prepared
correctly, is poisonous. But I traveled

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in Africa, and I remember the
guide. I remember that some of the

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great apes in Africa would eat these
particular leaves that they could eat that if

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a human was to eat them,
they would kill you. And so I

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got to think of their again.
That could certainly transfer them here. But

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the one thing that she said a
couple of things that really stuck, and

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one of them was is hackberry trees. And I had always that's one of

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them deals where your buddy says,
oh youm hackberry trees are poisonous, and

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so from that point on you think
they're poisonous, but in reality, hackberries

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aren't like a superfood. And the
ranches loaded with these hackberries, and I

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was thinking, wow, that that's
something I hadn't thought of. And then

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something else she's pointed out was she
said turtles. She said that we feel

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like the what apes that's part of
their diet. And that is something that

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I would see constantly would be turtle
shells where you would see the top land

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over here and the bottom land over
here, and I would mention it to

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people and they'd say, oh,
that's that's gators doing that. And then

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one day I saw a gator eat
a turtle and there's no top and bottom,

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it's just the whole thing. And
so I eliminated that theory all together.

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And and you know, started paying
closer attention because there was turtle shells

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all over the place. And then
another thing that you mentioned was grib worm.

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You know, we've got lots of
white oak, and of course they

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get old and die, and the
things are full of grubs, and I

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would see places where that the bark
was peeled off. And occasionally we have

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what's called honey bears. They're just
little bitty black bears and they're very scary.

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If they see you, they're they're
going to run like crazy. But

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I just thought that's probably what it
is, some honey bears. But when

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I got to paying closer attention,
I noticed that these these scab marks on

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these trees were higher, and I
got thinking, yeah, that's just that's

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just not a bear. So anyway, I come back from this convention and

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got a little bit more knowledge,
and so one day we're working on a

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project. We're clearing a lane to
a back property line, and I was

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on a dozer and I was pushing
a lane, and so got all I

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could do the one day, and
then back the dozer off and went and

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did something else. A couple of
days later, I come back and I

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walk upon the most textbook tree break
that I've ever seen. It was absolutely

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it was an ironwood tree, roughly
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It's bent down, back down to
the bottom of itself, and no,

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you know, absolutely not a weather
related situation. This was clearly bent

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down. And that with the knowledge
that I got at the convention and seeing

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that tree break, I started thinking
there's something going on here, and so

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I really started to pay even closer
attention. At that point, I had

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mentioned it to my girlfriend and she
she was telling me, she said,

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you know what you need to do. She had listened to a pod podcast

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where a lady was talking about and
and she brought that up to me,

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and I thought, you got to
be kidding me, that that's ridiculous.

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But then I remember we were we
had gone to that expedition Bigfoot up in

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Blue Rigs, Georgia, and I
remember reading an article and there at that

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museum where that this lady had started
this gifting program. So anyway, at

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first I thought, that's ridiculous,
me gifting a wood ape. And one

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day I was in my office in
something that I happened to just see.

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She had mentioned to me that they
had. I came across the set of

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Marti grav beings, and so I
thought, man, perfect deal. I

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put them in the trink. A
couple of days later, I take them

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to this way back piece of the
property and I get back there. Of

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course, the instructions were that you
take two sticks and pull them in the

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right angle, and then you put
the item behind these sticks. They're exactly

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like I was told them. I'm
thinking, this is nice, this is

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totally nice. And I get busy
on another project. It's probably a week

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if not more before I get back
down there. So I pull up there.

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I'm on a plariffs and I pull
up there, and as I'm driving

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up there, I'm noticing something that
it seems out of place, and I'm

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thinking, what in the world,
and as I get closer, what I

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find is just bizarre. I find
a happy birthday balloon like that you would

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get at Walgreens or Walmart. And
obviously somebody had a birthday in the balloon

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had got away, but I just
can't believe that it would have landed where

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my gifting area was. So I
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the second thing that was even more
strange was I found a gallant jug,

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a gallon oil jug from Texico Havel
and Supreme from back in the nineties,

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and I'm thinking, how did that
get here? Now? The beads were

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still there, but apparently they had
gifted me a balloon and an oil jug.

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I laughed it off at first,
but then I got to think,

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something did this, And I know
it's not people, because we're talking way

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back and the places. We watch
the property very closely, and so that

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kind of got to me, I
guess, you'd say, And it was

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just one more thing. A couple
of more weeks pass, and I'm on

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another project. We had a thirty
acre lake that blew out during Hurricane Harvey.

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We had thirty inches of rain.
It blew the levee out and so

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when the wake blew out, it
actually caused there to be a lagoon,

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and at the back edge of it
there's a little kind of an island that

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sticks out. So I was patching
a road and I was stealing some clay

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from an area there to patch this
road. And so I'm on a skidst

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I'm going back and forth patching this
road and I get to where I'm done,

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and as I'm leaving, I noticed
that there's this there's a hitch pin

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that's on this piece of equipment that
had fallen off. I fought it had

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happened before. The thing's like two
hundred dollars, So I thought, man,

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I got to go find this thing. So I know that I've only

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been to the lagoon and back,
so I just parking the machine and I

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walk. So I walk down trail. I get to this lagoon area and

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I'm sure enough I find the pan
laying there in the dirt. Pick up

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the pin. But as I'm turning
around, I've got this feeling that something

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is watching me, you know how
it'll come over you sometimes, And so

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I turn around and I look,
but I don't see anything. And so

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just on the end, I grab
my camera and I just snap. I

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do one ancest that and just go
on about my business. I come home

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and later that night, I'm going
through the pictures looking I don't see that,

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and I don't see that, and
then all of a sudden, I

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see this picture that's just bizarre and
I can't really make it out. I

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blow it up. I put it
on my home computer, blow it up

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a little bit more. And I
did not see this when I took the

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picture, so I did not know
what was there. One took the picture,

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but because I got to looking at
it, the best way I can

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describe, and this is going to
sound ridiculous, it sounds like the head

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the lead singer of the Insane Clown
Posse. It's this weird looking face,

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and you can clearly see eyes and
a nose, a pudgy nose, but

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the top of the skull from a
like right above the eyebrow, going over

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kind of the top of the skull, you can clearly see where there's no

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fur, it's just skin. And
on the other side you can clearly see

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that there's hair there. It's behind
a branch. There's a branch in the

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way that you can make out its
face and it's not hunting down and it

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was actually on that little island in
that foliage looking at me, and it's

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one of these pictures. Some people
will look at it and they'll instantly see

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if other people look at it,
and they'll be like, I don't know

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what you're talking about. But I
thought it was really interesting. So I

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thought, huh, it's one one
more thing. And I again, time

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passes on. I'm paying more attention. I notice one day I get there

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at the ranch and I'm hearing like
sound what sounds like a peacock, and

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way back in the woods. And
when I'm thinking, man, what how

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did that get there? And so
I go back there. I don't see

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any sign of any peacock or anything
such as that, but clearly heard what

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sounded like a peacock. As I'm
going back there, I go through an

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area where there's a tremendous growth of
hackberries and they were all the berries had

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made and they were just thick,
and so I actually go over there.

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I'm going to get some and eat
them, and I happened to look down

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and I noticed there it was sand
and it was wet sand, so it's

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it was like hard packed, but
you could see where that something had come

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up there and had reached up to
grab some of the berries, and it

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had made pretty It made an imprint, nothing that was castable, but it

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was something that you could clearly you
could make it out. Especially you can't

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in the picture, you can't really
see it that well, but being there

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you can see it. But what
I noticed was that the print, it's

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not like what I would have thought. It wasn't a sasquatch print. It

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wasn't something that was sixteen inches long
and seven inches wide or like that.

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It was actually it was actually you
could see that it had toes. But

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what show me the most was it
was very wide it was compared to its

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length. And that goes back to
my conversation with this woman about the wood

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aches, and so that kind of
put me over into the camp of I

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believe, and I don't know a
lot of people disagree with me, but

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I believe in East Texas, I
believe that we have wood apes. It'd

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be hard for me to believe that
a nine foot Sasquatch could maneuver through the

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thick underbrush that we typically have.
Now. Don't get me wrong, there's

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areas that are open, but the
majority of it is pretty it's pretty viiny,

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and it's thick. And not only
that, a lot of the bottom

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areas are quite swampy. And I
think something, in my opinion, I

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think that something more in the seven
foot bracket and down with a much wider

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foot is better suited for that type
of territory to get around in. And

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so after seeing that print, I
was I'm getting over there in this woodache

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camp even more. There again,
here we go again. Another couple of

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weeks go by, and I'm going
down a trail. I forget what I

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was doing. I was going back
there to check something, and all of

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a sudden I smell this. I
get this wolf of the smell that smells

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exactly like the inside of a beaver
den. I know a lot of people

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say I like sewer and so on
and so forth, but this was like

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musky inside of a beaver den.
And so I may I'm on a player

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of slam out of brakes, and
I just go to looking around and there

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again I don't I'm not seeing anything, but I should just start taking picture

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such him. Get on back to
my office and start looking. And here

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again I see this shape. I
see this head there's a tree that's fallen

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over and the roots are pulled up
out of the ground, so it's got

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dirt on them. And there's this
creature that's up there against these roots,

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and lo and behold, he's got
it. You can see the ball that's

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in the head again, and I'm
like, here we go again. This

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could clearly be the same I'm looking
at the same guy again. I think

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two days later, about less than
a corner of a mile from where I

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saw, got this picture of this
creature I got. I had some trail

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camera set out, and of course, don't get me started on trail cameras,

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because that's the biggest mystery in the
world, is why we can't get

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a good shot of one on a
trail cam. But I did have one

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that was set I actually set it
in a rotten tree to where that it

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was not on the outside of the
tree. It is inside the tree,

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and you could not see this thing. Of course, it was only shooting

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forwards a very limited scope. But
I got a picture of what appears to

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be and I've looked at it a
hundred times. It looks like it's it

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looks like it's a hip. Impossibly
an elbow of something I recreated it.

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I know it's absolutely not a deer. It's not a honeybear because it's too

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high, and it's not a coyote
or anything like that. It had to

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be something that at least was standing
about four feet coll and like I said,

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it's just like a up in an
elbow. But it was something that's

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and that's the only picture that I've
ever got on any of the trail cams

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of any value that I would say
as far as that goes. But so

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it's like last year, middle of
the winter, it's freezing, and my

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girlfriend and I decide that we're going
to go back to the back part of

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the property where that where the lake, the old lake that blew out is

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and so I think it's twelve degrees. We're crazy, and so we go

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out there, and so we're easing
around. Everything is just solid for especially

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for Texas. Twelve degrees for Texas's
East Texas is gold. And so we're

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easing around and we get to this
area and we noticed it was one of

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those deals where that it was sixty
degrees one day and then the next day

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it's twelve. And so the day
prior it had rained and so everything's sloppy.

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And we noticed right there at the
edge of this embankment is a very

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clear it. I would not I
would call it a baby. I wouldn't

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even call it a juvenile. It
was a very small footprint that had it

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actually was made when it was wet, but it had froze. And there

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again it was something you couldn't really
cast it. But it was a pretty

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interesting footprint. And so that kind
of got our We got our hopes upon

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that deal. And we went on
and did some more driving around and we

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got to a point where I wanted
to check and see if I could see

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any footprints. There was an area
that had washed out, and I just

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wanted to go there, and so
we killed the players for just a second.

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And we're sitting there just listening,
and all of a sudden, we

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hear on an old logging tram,
we hear what sounds like a gibbon monkey.

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It has that exact sound like a
gibbon and it does it does it

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three distinct times. And of course
we are rookies. You talk about rookies,

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we we are like rookies. Or
said, we don't have any recording.

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We're sitting there just listening here it
three times. Finally we wake up

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start recording. Of course at that
point we don't hear it no more,

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but very distinct like a gibbon monkey. Three times. We stay there a

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coupleoun't know, an hour or two
left, and then we head out.

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And when we get to the truck
there again my girlfriend is saying, she

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said, did you notice that there
was some like songbird? And I thought,

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yeah, I did hear that.
And the more we got to thinking

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about it, we got to think, well, obviously, on a day

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like to day, there's not gonna
be songbirds out singing, and one of

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those missed opportunities again where it possibly
could have been what apes out there doing

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some whistling. Of course we val
you know, man, the next time

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we're gonna we're gonna be waved to
prepare. So more time goes on and

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this probably goes down. Is one
of the most impressive things that I've seen

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as far as my big thing investigations
have been going. And I was coming

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out and pash care and I was
shutting the gate. I was actually horseback

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and so I'm shut the gate.
I get the horse doing to shut the

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gate, and I happen to look
down on the ground and it's there again.

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It's sandy type sail and I went
down there and this just shot me.

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There was one of our one of
our cat dogs print. There was

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a perfect dog print in the sand. And then something had taken its finger

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and had made a circle around that
dog print. And I just have to

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leave. That was a a parent
teaching a small one. Okay, here,

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this is a dog print. Look
out for this. Be aware of

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this. And I got a pretty
good picture of it. But that just

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really stuck with me. I'd never
seen I've never heard of anybody that has

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came across to anything like that or
that was the first time I had actually

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ever seen it. So there again, I'm man, I'm more on track.

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I think there's wood apes in East
Texas. So fast forward it's this

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past Christmas, and I had got
a thermal camera. So now we're moving

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up. I've got some equipment and
so I'm thrilled to death. We got

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a thermal and so we go out
and we get there to ranch and I've

405
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.839
got to put out some hay to
some cows before we go and do some

406
00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:01.160
research or some hunting, and we
know more out of the truck and we

407
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:07.400
hear three perfect whoops, just booming
right in a row, and I thought,

408
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:12.759
wow, here we are. This
is setting up good. So I

409
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:19.680
put out the hay and we we
make around three the woods. We take

410
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:24.599
the players some, we walk some, and we hear two or three more

411
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:30.240
good whoops, and then we hear
our own favorite, the peacock sound again.

412
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:35.839
We didn't stay there that long.
We had stuff to do, so

413
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:39.640
we've called them night pretty early,
but we left out and came back the

414
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:45.640
next day the next afternoon. Hold
the weather, it's raining, it's not

415
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:50.799
necessarily freezing cold, but it's chilly. It's certainly the kind of weather that

416
00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:52.799
you'd rather just be in the house. But now we got the new therm

417
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:57.640
lamb, we got to do something. My girlfriend goes down to the lake.

418
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:00.640
We have about a eight acre three
at the lake that she had gone

419
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:07.279
down to, and she's walking on
the Lake Levey and honestly believes that she's

420
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:13.559
carrying something, and she's actually thinking
that she's being paralleled by one off into

421
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:17.519
the creek. And we get down
that. When I actually get back down

422
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:22.680
there and we notice that there's this
really odd trail that comes out of the

423
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:27.000
creek and it goes to the lake, and it goes down to the lake

424
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:31.799
in an area that's very flat,
where the bank is not steep, and

425
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:37.680
there's this trail beat out, and
so I instantly think it's probably beaver's.

426
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:43.759
I got to look around. There's
no beaver sign whatsoever, and there's a

427
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:51.720
very faint, juvenile footprint that you
can somewhat pick up, and so I

428
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:52.920
thought, I thought, this is
an area that I'll put up one of

429
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:58.559
my cameras in the future and see
what happens. We go back and we

430
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:02.400
get the players. Of course,
pitch black. Now the clouds are just

431
00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:07.519
thick clouds. There's the every once
in a while the moon to poke through

432
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:10.519
just for a second, but it
goes back pitch black. So I got

433
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:15.559
my thermal out. I'm just thrilled
to death. I'm hogs deer, funny

434
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:21.400
things in trees and we're having a
big fun. And of course here again

435
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:27.679
we're rookies and we should have had
the GoPros going and recording devices that we're

436
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:32.639
enamored with the thermal So we're there's
an area that I'm wanting to go.

437
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:37.440
It's back off and it's a Cyper
swamp, and so I'm wanting to go

438
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:44.119
back down to that area. And
so we were easing down this trail and

439
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:49.920
it gets to this point in this
trail where that it's so thick that the

440
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.159
trees have actually grown into themselves.
So it's almost like you're going in a

441
00:34:53.239 --> 00:35:00.199
tunnel. And so we get as
we're pulling up to this tunnel a or

442
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:02.480
at this time, this trail,
my girlfriend, now she doesn't tell me

443
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:07.519
this at that time, but as
we're pulling in there, she starts to

444
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:13.000
get really anxious. She said,
just this anxious feeling just comes over.

445
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:15.400
Of course, it's pitch black.
We do have the headlights on the playiffs,

446
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:22.280
but it's totally pitch black everywhere else. And and she says she gets

447
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.880
this feeling like she's just getting anxious, and just all of a sudden,

448
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:35.639
out of nowhere, there's just this
roar that is so loud that it actually

449
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:42.519
is even you can even clearly hear
it over the PLAERIFS motor and I'm just

450
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:47.760
basically stunned by it. I'm just
sitting there in disbelief of what I'm hearing.

451
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.199
And she says that I'm looking at
her, and she said, I'm

452
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:59.079
actually smiling. And at this point
she is completely panted and she's freaking out,

453
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:02.880
and she literally, it is so
scared that she punches me because I'm

454
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:07.239
not acting. I have no reaction. I'm just sitting there with a smile

455
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:09.679
on my face like I'm crazy,
and she literally punches me. And I

456
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:12.719
come out of it, and she
said, od, we got to get

457
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.880
out of herself. We basically put
it in reverse and high tail out of

458
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:21.760
there, and I can tell she
is scared, and at that point I'm

459
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:27.480
even starting to get scared then,
because it sounded like the roar of a

460
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:31.960
Howler monkey. It just you hear. The people say that you can feel

461
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:37.440
it. I can't honestly say that
I felt it because there was a windshield

462
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:43.199
in front of me, but I
certainly heard it clearly over the player's motor.

463
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:49.079
So we back up. We figured
that's enough for one night. Of

464
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:52.960
course, here again, after the
fact, I got the thermal out.

465
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:57.559
I'm trying to look I'm not getting
anything. But at that point there again,

466
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:01.760
we're rookies. We're out of dog. So we go back the next

467
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:05.360
day. We're going so we're on
a mission. We're going to make it

468
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:09.840
down there to the swamp, and
so we're headed back there and we're on

469
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:15.400
the we're on the playerffs. Everything's
doing good, and all of a sudden,

470
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:20.000
the players starts acting up. The
thing's been running perfect, and all

471
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:24.760
of a sudden it just starts acting
up, and it's it's, it's it's

472
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:28.559
like there's an ignition problem. It
hits, and it quits and hits,

473
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:30.920
it quits and it hits, and
then all of a sudden, it just

474
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:36.199
quits, and and there's no fire
in each set to and try to fire

475
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:40.360
it back up in just no way. Of course, it's starting to get

476
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:44.360
dark, and so we the last
place we want to be is out there

477
00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:47.280
on foot, and so we we
abandon the playerffs and high tail it back

478
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:53.920
to the ranch headquarters and end up
going back the next day to get it

479
00:37:54.280 --> 00:38:02.239
and get on it fires right up. Now. I've heard people say numerous

480
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:07.239
podcasts, did they have the ability
to mess with electricity. I don't know

481
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.599
if that's true or not, but
what I can tell you is that this

482
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:15.960
players that was running perfectly, all
of a sudden quits and when we go

483
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:20.039
get it the next day. I
don't know if they're if they've moved on

484
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:23.840
or what the deal is, but
it fires right up. We end up

485
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:29.199
going back again. Finally we make
it down into the swamp and we do

486
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:34.360
get we get one good I think
that back we get two good whoops,

487
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:37.920
but they're at a distance, and
that was about all we had time for.

488
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:42.400
And I guess at that point that's
the last that I've been out there

489
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:47.239
other than my daily stuff. There
was a guy that was on your podcast.

490
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:51.800
I think it's been months ago,
and he'd made a comment that that

491
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:57.000
he believes that they move in and
out of areas, and I completely agree

492
00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:00.679
with that. We had a real
We went a long time and didn't have

493
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:02.360
any issues with hogs, and then
all of a sudden, we started having

494
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:09.320
major issues with fogs. And I
noticed that the activity level definitely increased when

495
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:14.159
the hogs were there. Now the
hogs have died out, and I've noticed

496
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:17.280
that we're not I'm not hearing any
not hearing the whoops, I'm not hearing

497
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:22.039
the peacock. I'm not hearing such
as that. And so I think that

498
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:25.760
they've possibly moved on to another area. But I think that they you know,

499
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:31.320
I think that they move back around. I'm just keeping after it and

500
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:37.000
hopefully one day I'm trying. My
goal is to get I'd love to get

501
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:42.039
a good cast, something that I
can compare the something that I can show.

502
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:45.559
Look, it's wider than it's not
one of these that's really long.

503
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:50.440
It's got some width to it.
And anyway, that's about it. I

504
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.880
just wanted to share that and maybe
some other folks are in the same boat

505
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:57.880
as I am, and they'll get
to the point that they'll start to believe

506
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:00.360
that they're down in the South as
well. John, You've got some incredible

507
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:05.559
things going on that ranch. Thank
you for sharing that. I have some

508
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:08.800
thoughts if that's all right, Yeah, absolutely, well. I would recommend

509
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:15.480
to do if it was me in
that situation is I would take some advice

510
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:22.519
from Chris Spencer from the Olympic Project. And you can watch about this on

511
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:27.159
a Small Town Monsters YouTube channel.
Eli Watson has a documentary series he's been

512
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:31.840
doing. But what Chris Spencer does
is he will be wearing like a headlamp

513
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:38.639
band and he'll actually have a audio
recorder in that headband, so when he

514
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:47.880
leaves the vehicle, it's already recording, right because he says what you've also

515
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:52.400
experienced. Is that usually when you
get out of the cars right away,

516
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:59.199
you're going to experience some type of
whoop, which you've been experiencing already.

517
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:04.519
But that might be a way that
you'd be able to actually capture this audio

518
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.239
if you're wanting to try to do
that. And oh absolutely, you can

519
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:12.800
get a solid recorder for not that
much. You can get a task cam

520
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:17.599
for just anywhere from like eighty something
to one hundred. They're pretty inexpensive.

521
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:22.800
Now I'll put a link in the
show notes for what I use personally.

522
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:29.880
But wow, and that is for
that's for audio record Yeah, yeah,

523
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:31.639
okay, that would be for audio
because it man, it would be really

524
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:36.800
cool if you could at least get
some of the whoops recorded, that would

525
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:42.159
be cool. I could the end
of course, that role is now that

526
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:46.519
I did not see that coming a
million miles away. I'm and then with

527
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:52.960
the peacock because it sounds like a
male peacock and I no, good,

528
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:58.239
we don't have any peacocks after and
I just ge't think of that. I

529
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:00.440
have to laugh when I hear it. I'm thinking, so it's just ridiculous,

530
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:05.960
what are they doing? And another
the other thing is that when it

531
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.800
sounds like that gibbon monkey. That's
unusual to me. And I've had people

532
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:14.639
to say, oh, owls do
that in the middle of the day.

533
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:21.639
I've never experienced. I experienced owls
doing some stuff night, but not two

534
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:25.440
in the afternoon, at least in
my opinion. But yes, you couldn't

535
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:30.039
be more right back. Just we've
made so many rooky mistakes. It is

536
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:32.440
not even fun. But it's like
anything else that you do. You get

537
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:36.840
out there, you experience it,
and you learn and you just do better

538
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:39.719
than next time. Absolutely, Let's
see, I'm looking through my notes here.

539
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:44.280
We're leaving the location at East Texas, right, we just have to

540
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:49.159
be nebulous about East Texas. Yeah, we could, I would say Southeast.

541
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:54.159
Gotcha. Are you able to share
any more about the female researcher that

542
00:42:54.199 --> 00:43:00.719
you had been talking to or I
cannot remember her laughing, I can't remember

543
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:05.880
her name that it was she was
sitting at our table, and I know,

544
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:10.239
if I'm not mistaken, she had
done work with the wood A Conservatory.

545
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:17.079
She had worked with them, and
this was a super smart lady.

546
00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:22.840
She really in a lot of ways, she was a lot of the catalysts

547
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:28.679
that that that really got me to
focus when she mentioned what she did about

548
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:34.480
the turtles. That that really because
that is something that I had been seeing

549
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:40.079
for years. There the turtle splitting
part when I'm thinking it's weird and never

550
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:44.599
really put the pieces together, and
then she was like the turtles or meat

551
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:50.480
of a turtle, highly nutritious and
easily caught and make a nice little meal.

552
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:53.519
And when she made mention of that, I was like, Wow,

553
00:43:55.000 --> 00:44:02.000
definitely was something that made sense to
Yeah, it's very smart. If any

554
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:05.880
listeners have an idea of who that
might be, you can put it in

555
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.000
the comments, or if you need
to reach out to me an email,

556
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:14.119
you can do it that way too. Bigfoot sitagemail dot com sounds like that

557
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:17.400
might be someone fun to chat with
for sure. Would you be able to

558
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:22.480
share the photos that you took?
Yes, yeah, awesome, that would

559
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:27.320
be really cool to see those.
It's funny that you mentioned the lead singer

560
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.800
of Insane Clown Posse because I've actually
if you're talking about the same guy.

561
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:36.199
I actually interviewed him on the podcast
because he had a bigfoot encounter just outside

562
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:40.960
of Detroit, so we talked a
while back. So I had actually read

563
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:44.599
that somewhere and I was thinking,
you got to be kidding me. The

564
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:49.599
actual yeah, the actual guy,
the actual singer. Yeah, oh yeah,

565
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:52.639
yeah yeah. Like I said,
this photo, well, some people

566
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:58.719
can look at it and like I
said, they will instantly say oh yeah,

567
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:00.199
and then other people will just there
at it and go, I don't

568
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:04.639
know what you're talking about, and
I don't know. There again, I

569
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:09.840
find it hard to believe that it's
shadows or something of that. You can

570
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:17.679
clearly see two eyes, the glare
of the sun coming off its nose and

571
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:22.320
the glare of the sun shining off
the ball spot on its head. It's

572
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:29.880
there to see. And now in
the second photo where that it's over by

573
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:36.000
the stump, that was a little
more more difficult. But for me seeing

574
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:39.400
exactly where it was at, it
was clear to me to where that I

575
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:44.880
could understand what was going on,
and having seen the ball spot, I

576
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:50.000
could definitely notice it again, even
though this was at a far greater distance,

577
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:52.599
it wasn't as close as the other
one was. But there again,

578
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:58.039
that that smell. I would have
never I would have never stopped and just

579
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:01.920
taken random pictures had I not got
that odor. I mean that that odor

580
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:06.199
just inside of a beaver Den just
stopped me dead in my tracks. I

581
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:09.039
mean, I was like, that's
weird because I was not near water,

582
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:16.840
and that one definitely just stopped me. And the one of the the like

583
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:21.239
I said, looks like it's hip. I mean, you can clearly see

584
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:25.760
it's something what I don't know.
But that's the only I have had every

585
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:30.800
kind of trail camera you can imagine
out in every kind of place you can

586
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:37.519
imagine, and that is the only
what I would call good picture that I've

587
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:45.840
got. I've gotten some images at
a distance that you can add names something

588
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:49.559
out there, but it's not something
you can say yes or no to.

589
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:54.800
And that, to me, that
is the biggest mystery in the whole thing,

590
00:46:55.960 --> 00:47:01.960
is why that there's just not more
caught on trail camps. But obviously

591
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:07.800
they have got that ability to elude
them. And I think only because I

592
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:15.000
had gone to the great extent to
get this thing up in this dead tree

593
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:19.239
and camouflage it in all kinds of
different ways. I think that's the only

594
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:22.760
reason that I got what I got. I think if they're I think if

595
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:30.039
they're even halfway camouflaged, I think
they're detected somehow. And I didn't have

596
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:32.960
one. I did have one experience
one time. Of course, I don't

597
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.880
know, I maybe reading something into
it. I was back and I was

598
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:42.840
fixing some fence on the back corner
of this property, and so you know,

599
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:46.880
I'm gathering up my tools and I'm
walking back to the mule, and

600
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:52.239
all of a sudden, I just
got this horrible Of course, I'm sixty

601
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:55.800
years old. Disney spells part of
the game. I was actually feeling really

602
00:47:55.840 --> 00:48:02.079
good, and hmm, I just
got this really strange? Did the sensation

603
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:06.960
come over me? And I made
it to the mule and I sat down.

604
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.840
Of course, some drank some water, and it wasn't I wasn't overheated

605
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:14.760
or anything like that. And there
again I got to think, I thought,

606
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.199
what was that all about? And
then of course you hear people that

607
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:22.559
did say that they have that ability
to do that, and so there again,

608
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:25.920
I don't know, but it makes
me wonder. Absolutely. Have you

609
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:30.079
I guess you're in an interesting situation
because the ranch is so big, But

610
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:37.480
have you talked to any neighbors that
are on the outskirts of the ranch to

611
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:43.480
see if they've experienced anything out of
the ordinary there. We really don't have

612
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:47.800
any neighbors that are in the core
of the rant of the main body.

613
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:54.039
They're on the they're on the outskirts. But in those areas there it's relatively

614
00:48:54.079 --> 00:49:00.239
populated. But what I have experienced
is the adjacent land behind the ranch that

615
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:06.400
is the type to preserve. I've
talked to several people. I say several,

616
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:10.760
I've talked probably four or five people
that have I was talking to this

617
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:16.079
one guy. He's passed away,
I'm thinking now, but years ago.

618
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:20.639
I think it was back in the
nineties. He was going him and a

619
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:24.880
buddy were going duck hunting. And
there's a lot of slews in this area.

620
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:30.519
And so him and his buddy they
were going duck hunting, and they

621
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:35.679
drove their truck to this area where
you had to park, and there was

622
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:38.639
a gate and I think if you
had a permit, you had a key

623
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:43.320
or something. But so they drive
they get up to this gate and they're

624
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:45.119
going through the gate and the guy
said, it's in the most dark,

625
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:51.039
and he's got his flashlight in his
mouth and he's going through the gate and

626
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:55.480
all of a sudden, he looks
down and he sees a footprint and he's

627
00:49:55.559 --> 00:50:00.039
now, what is that? And
so he calls his buddy over then and

628
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:02.400
the look. Of course this is
before cell phone cameras all that, but

629
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:06.760
they're thinking, wow, that's crazy, and so they dismiss it. And

630
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:10.519
they walk another couple of hundred feet
and then all of a sudden, the

631
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:19.599
footprints come back into this trail,
and so they follow them, and you

632
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.840
can clearly follow them. So they
follow them to the edge of this slew

633
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:25.639
and he said, they get there, he said, it's still dark,

634
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:30.039
but he said, you can hear
this, and he said he takes his

635
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:36.320
light and he shines it. It's
cypress trees, basically, and and he

636
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:42.880
shines it and he says that about
seventy yards away or not that about thirty

637
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:46.440
yards away. He said that they
see this figure and he and they say

638
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:51.480
it just basically they see it for
a couple of seconds and then it just

639
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:57.599
disappears behind some brush. And they
were He was a believer all his life.

640
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:04.280
And I talked to another man that
he actually had some property now he

641
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:08.119
sence had sold it to the timber
company and they actually planted in it.

642
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:14.559
They put in a eucalyptus plantation.
But this guy had a place back there

643
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:17.559
and he was an older guy,
and he said that he would hear him

644
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:22.440
all the time. It wasn't nothing
for him to hear him turn three times

645
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:29.519
a week woots, hollers yells the
whole nine yards imitations of his cat and

646
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:32.880
I have talked. And then there
was another guy that was a dentist that

647
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:38.320
I had talked to once before,
that he was in one of the rivers

648
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:44.000
fishing, and that he said that
same kind of deal. He said,

649
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:45.800
they were sitting there fishing and he
said, all of a sudden, they

650
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:51.000
heard this splash and he said they
happened to look up into this kind of

651
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.920
a slew area and he said they
see this creature just for a second,

652
00:51:54.039 --> 00:52:00.119
just basically going across the slit.
And this guy he for years and his

653
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:04.599
retirement. They tell me that he
would come down and just set out cameras

654
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:07.360
and book and whatnot. But se
Yeah, a few people I have talked

655
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:13.440
to some other people that have had
some pretty interesting sightings on the Sabine Renver,

656
00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:19.719
which is not terribly far from where
we're at, and some relatively some

657
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:23.280
pretty interesting stories coming out of that
part of the world, which in my

658
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:30.119
opinion, that's more of the hot
spot in East Texas. I had talked

659
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:34.280
to a guy, very interesting story. They were working. They were from

660
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:42.159
a contracting company out of Tyler and
they were down working on a bridge over

661
00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:47.599
by the Sabine River on just the
county road. It wasn't no major thoroughfare,

662
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:53.280
and they're doing some work on his
bridge, and so they the county.

663
00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:59.320
There was some kind of an area
that the county used for gravel or

664
00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:05.599
something, and they allowed them to
put up their campers in this area so

665
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:09.280
they wouldn't have to drive back and
forth to get a motel. And so

666
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:14.719
the guys like, we've got our
fifth wheel part there. And he said

667
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:19.320
that they had. They every night
they would cook out on the pit and

668
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:22.039
he said, he said, it's
smelled great. He said we had pork

669
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:27.199
button barbecue and everything else. And
he said that one night, he said

670
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:30.480
they were laying there in bed and
he said that he was in the bedroom

671
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:34.360
of his fifth wheel, which is
obviously in the front part which is high,

672
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:38.880
and he said that they he said
it was perfectly still. He said

673
00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:45.000
that the air conditioner wasn't running,
and he had his windows open, and

674
00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:49.639
or he had one of his windows
open, and he said that you could

675
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:55.199
literally hear something flump, and he
sat up and he looked around, and

676
00:53:55.679 --> 00:54:00.599
they thought, I'm just hearing things. And then he said, just out

677
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:05.920
of the blue, he said that
the moonlight was shining into the fifth wheel,

678
00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:09.159
and so he said, all of
a sudden, something distorted the light.

679
00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:14.559
And he said he glanced over to
the window, which was closed,

680
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:22.400
and he said he saw a hand
up against that window, and he said

681
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:24.079
he just he went screaming, and
he said the hand went away, and

682
00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:29.639
he said to everybody woke up and
you know, what the hell's going on.

683
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:34.119
They turn on the lights and look
around, and of course he's in.

684
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:36.800
I saw somebody's out there. I've
seen their hand up there. And

685
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:42.079
they were like, nobody's here,
nobody's here. And so they all went

686
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:45.320
back to bed. And the next
morning they woke up and they had left

687
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:51.599
I forget they'd left something out there
on the pit, and that whatever it

688
00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:54.920
was that they left out there was
gone. But he said that you could

689
00:54:54.960 --> 00:55:00.760
still clearly see the smudge of the
handprint on the window. And I thought,

690
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:02.760
man, that's pretty close encounter.
But that, like I said,

691
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:07.039
that was over closer to the Sabine
River area. Yeah, the Sabine River

692
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:14.039
definitely has some loud stuff and if
listeners want to hear more about that,

693
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:19.079
read more about that. Lyle Blackburn
has a great book on Texas Bigfoot that

694
00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:24.039
he came out with this last year. Definitely recommend looking into that. At

695
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:31.239
the beginning of our interview, we
had you had mentioned in passing about talking

696
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:39.920
to Iditarod mushers and bush pilots about
bigfoot way back when you had been traveling.

697
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:46.320
Is there anything that you remember from
those conversations or Yeah, there actually

698
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:51.079
a couple of things there. We
were talking to this one musher that was

699
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:57.159
saying that, so they when they're
training these dogs, they'll start off like

700
00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:00.239
on fifty mile courses, and then
they they build him up and build him

701
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:07.239
up and build him up. And
so they they've actually got numerous teams and

702
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:13.719
so it's not like they have one
team. They have several and then they'll

703
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:17.719
end up picking out the best groups
to actually run the Iditarod. There's several

704
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:22.119
mushers that go out and these guys
will go out for two or three days

705
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:28.159
and mark these dogs. And this
one guy, his name was Billy,

706
00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:30.960
I remember that, and he was
telling me that he was This would have

707
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:37.320
been up by white Horse up in
the Yukon, and he was telling me

708
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:40.719
that they were camping by a river. It wasn't I'm trying to remember.

709
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:44.639
It wasn't in the time of the
year when it was bitter cold. The

710
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:49.960
sunlight was out. It must have
been in the spring and so there was

711
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:54.639
still snow, but it's not just
horrible dark and cold. And he said

712
00:56:54.639 --> 00:57:00.599
it's starting to thaw. And so
they had run this course and he was

713
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:05.440
saying that they had set up camp
by this river, and he said that

714
00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:08.360
they had typical to take care of
the dogs first, got the dogs fed,

715
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:13.199
got the dogs staked out, and
he's in there in his tent,

716
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:16.960
and he had been Native American.
I think they have an ability to sometimes

717
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:22.639
sense things. And he's got he
said, he's got an uneasy feeling.

718
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:24.960
And he goes out back out of
the tent. But he said, all

719
00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:30.159
the dogs are not acting up.
He said that they're all basically bed down.

720
00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:35.519
And he said that he just said
this strange feeling that something was out

721
00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:40.119
there. And so he goes back. He finishes getting a little bite to

722
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:45.679
eat, he lays down and he
says, there again, he said,

723
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:49.880
something is like telling him there's something
out there. So he puts on his

724
00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:53.760
head lamp. He goes back out. The dogs are still. Typically the

725
00:57:53.880 --> 00:58:00.519
dogs would would smell something, scent
something, but he said nothing. And

726
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:05.880
he goes back out there and he's
he said that he's he's looking around.

727
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:09.280
There's nothing. He's and he's sitting
there thinking himself, you're just your mind's

728
00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:12.960
playing tricks on you. You just
need to know, go on to bed.

729
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:16.000
You got a big day tomorrow.
And he said, he walks up

730
00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:21.639
to the tent, he's fixing to
go into the tent, and he said,

731
00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:27.320
something just tells him stop. And
so he backs out and he takes

732
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:30.880
his head light and he looks down. He said there was like a row

733
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:36.519
of trees that was by this creek
or river. And he said, he

734
00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:42.480
looks down these rows of trees and
he said that at about the tenth tree,

735
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:45.840
which I don't remember. I think
he was saying it was like maybe

736
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:51.599
fifty yards away or something. He
said, there's this clearly, there's this

737
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:58.039
creature that is standing behind a tree. But the tree is not big enough

738
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:00.079
to hide it. He said,
you can see the shoulder on this side

739
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:05.199
and the shoulder on this side.
And he said that he's shining the light

740
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:07.920
on it, just clearly, and
he said he's not He doesn't know whether

741
00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:10.599
to get his gun. He doesn't
really know what to do. He's just

742
00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:15.320
waiting it out. And he said
after about a couple of minutes, he

743
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:17.239
said, all of a sudden,
he said, you see it tilt its

744
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:23.960
head a little bit, and he
said you can clearly see one eye and

745
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:29.480
he said it turns and he said
it just vanishes in a split second.

746
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:32.880
It's just gone. And he said
that next morning they went over there and

747
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:37.199
he said there was some sure enough, good sized footprints, but to them,

748
00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:43.199
it's like just another day I've heard
Grandpa told me about them. Just

749
00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:46.039
don't mess with them. They won't
mess with me. And they go on

750
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:51.920
about it. A lot of the
bush pilots that you'll talk to. There

751
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:54.719
was one guy was talking to and
he said that, of course, when

752
00:59:54.760 --> 01:00:00.880
you're flying a plane in Alaska,
it's not autopilot. Hands and feet are

753
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:04.519
working all the time because of the
drain and in the weather, so it's

754
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:07.440
not a situation where you can drive
around with your with your camera in your

755
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:12.440
hand. But he said that,
and this wasn't just one. This was

756
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:15.480
a couple of them had said that
you'll you'll be flying along there, and

757
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:17.679
he said, all of a sudden, you glance down there on the river

758
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:23.400
and bam, you'll you'll see one
just for a second. Uh, They'll

759
01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:28.280
they'll notice you coming, and then
and there they're boom, they're in the

760
01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:32.079
woods. And so I thought,
I would imagine that that makes sense to

761
01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:37.360
me that in their job that they
they do see them quite often, or

762
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:42.639
more than what you would think anyway. And then of course a lot of

763
01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:46.559
the guys that work the rafts,
when you're a raft and you're fishing,

764
01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:52.920
you're basically saying, so you're not
making any noise, and you're right,

765
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:55.920
you're you're flowing down that river and
you you'll come around a bend. And

766
01:00:57.000 --> 01:01:00.320
that didn't happen with us, but
we were in a play. It's called

767
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:04.840
kal Ketna, which is the neatest
little town you ever saw in your life.

768
01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:07.880
And there was some river guides there
that we took a trip fishing trip

769
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:13.480
with, and there was a guy
that's saying that the year prior they had

770
01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:17.199
rounded to be in and they had
seen one out there about knee deep,

771
01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:22.119
and he said that it'd seen them. They've seen it that just back in

772
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:28.320
the woods. It's a fascinating stories. John, You're an absolute wealth of

773
01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:31.159
information. Thank you. I just, like I said, I just I

774
01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:35.320
think there's I think there's a lot
of people that are in my same boat

775
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:40.000
that grew up believing that they're in
the Pacific Northwest, that's they're in Canada,

776
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:46.360
they're in Alaska. And it's not
until you just really take the time

777
01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:53.440
to look deeper into or to just
explore the things that you're just dismissing just

778
01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:58.199
and maybe they are. There may
be times where you hear something and yeah

779
01:01:58.199 --> 01:02:01.519
it is a kyoke, but in
other times it may not be. And

780
01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:05.559
if you're one of those people that
you're riding the fence and you're like am

781
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:09.119
I think what you'll find if you
just spend a little more time and look

782
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:15.119
a little bit closer, that you
might be surprised. And like I said,

783
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:17.960
I'm looking to get that good cast
one day. That's my goal is

784
01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:22.000
to find a good I've got my
casting kit and everything ready to go when

785
01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:27.000
that day comes. But that's what
I'm after. We'll see you see your

786
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:30.880
main goal is to get a really
good cast. But what happens if you're

787
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:37.320
out there in the cypress and you
actually get a visual face to face with

788
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:39.639
a wood ape. Have you thought
that through it? I don't know.

789
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:45.639
After the episode with the roar,
I'm not even sure that I could keep

790
01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:51.719
myself together at you hear you listen
to these podcasts and you hear these people

791
01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:55.559
that have these experiences, these close
up experiences, and I just got a

792
01:02:55.599 --> 01:03:01.639
wonder could I keep it together if? But it was so strange, Like

793
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:06.679
I said, my girlfriend was she
was in full blown panic mode. Now

794
01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:10.920
she was panic, and I was
just I was off in another world.

795
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:14.800
I was. When we talked about
it, I told her, I said,

796
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:20.960
I did hear the roar, but
my mind was sitting there processing what

797
01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:24.599
was that? And I said,
I really I The fear didn't come upon

798
01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:30.239
me until I had actually processed the
fact that, oh my gosh, that

799
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:37.280
was something. And then I'm like, oh, good lord. When you

800
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:39.760
tell I hear people that are like
I got my Trusty forty five, that's

801
01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:44.800
so I ain't gonna get me.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm here to tell

802
01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:49.840
you what if a bigfoot wanted to
take you out, I don't care what

803
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:52.440
you got. You're gone. I
mean, that's clear, to me,

804
01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:58.800
they're just so stealthy that I don't
You're just not gonna do it, and

805
01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:02.800
that that's that gets on a another
subject that talking to the people in Canada

806
01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:11.039
so far is that they believe that
Sasquatch in a lot of ways are like

807
01:04:11.239 --> 01:04:16.639
people, that they have different personalities. I know my girlfriend is she's of

808
01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:21.119
the belief that a red for if
they got that red fer their me,

809
01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:28.559
they're nasty, but if they're brown
or black, they're more docile. And

810
01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:31.000
of course I'm always laughing at it, but it's if you really get to

811
01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:34.039
looking at it, you listen to
people, and the ones that are the

812
01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:39.639
red for actually do send me a
little bit more aggressive. And there's no

813
01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:43.360
science behind it I have come up
with, but other than just hearing people's

814
01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:47.159
stories. So I've heard that as
well. Yeah, that, and so

815
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:53.280
I agree. I think that they're
I think that they're they've got distinct It's

816
01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:57.920
like anybody else. That's what were
you exposed to coming up that caused you

817
01:04:57.960 --> 01:05:00.920
to be the way you are.
And I think the ones that are violent

818
01:05:01.039 --> 01:05:04.679
had probably been exposed to that,
and the ones that are hot have probably

819
01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:11.599
been exposed to kindness. And so
I think that affects how they actually act,

820
01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:16.079
but I do believe overall they're extremely
shy creatures in my opinion. Last

821
01:05:16.119 --> 01:05:19.719
question for you, it's a weird
one, and if you don't have anything,

822
01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:24.280
that's fine. It's actually a question
for all the listeners too, just

823
01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:29.320
in case, but have you ever
heard anything weird coming out of the Franklin

824
01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:33.800
County, Texas area? I have
heard are you talking as far as just

825
01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:40.400
weird in general? Mainly bigfoot related? But I guess, I guess that

826
01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:44.880
could be anything but mainly bigfoot related. I have heard some stories, but

827
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:47.960
what I've heard has more been I
don't know the mix of a bigfoot dog

828
01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:55.039
man really what I've heard now,
you know that for what that's worth.

829
01:05:55.199 --> 01:06:00.840
But I have heard of some strange
things happening in that air. Of course,

830
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:04.519
another area that's got strange stuff happening
is down in Saratoga, Texas where

831
01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:10.000
that where the brag light is at. Sure there's a lot there's a lot

832
01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:13.519
of people that or I say a
lot of people. There are people that

833
01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:16.920
believe that. Of course, the
legend is the train conductor who lost his

834
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:20.920
head and he's looking for his head
and got the light there there are people,

835
01:06:20.920 --> 01:06:25.599
of course, that's backed up to
the Big Thicket Preserve, which is

836
01:06:26.119 --> 01:06:30.880
thousands of acres of preserve, and
there's people that you when you start talking

837
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:36.119
to those people, those are the
people that believe that Bigfoot has got something

838
01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:43.000
to do with portals, and they
believe that the light that people see.

839
01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:46.079
I've actually been down there in Sack. What that's worth. But yeah,

840
01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:48.880
and it's what it looks like.
It looks like in the distance. There's

841
01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:51.920
this of course this was back in
the nineties when I saw it. There's

842
01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:57.840
this dancing light and I have no
explain I've heard everything under the sun's from

843
01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:02.360
gas you name it, the moon
shadows. But there are some people that

844
01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:09.519
believe that that is a portal,
and that is why that there are some

845
01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:14.519
people that there's quite a few sightings
from time to time down in that area

846
01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:18.360
Bigfoot related. And and you've got
that group of people to say, hey,

847
01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:23.599
that's that portal. So Franklin,
how you said, there is there

848
01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:30.119
actual dogment sightings around that area too. There are seen together or a kind

849
01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:35.360
of separate sightings with dog man versus
Bigfoot. I've the stories that I've heard

850
01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:43.199
now, I've heard a few people
with Bigfoot related stories. But I was

851
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:46.559
listening. Gosh, it's been scenes, but I was listening to a guy

852
01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:53.000
that I think he was on dark
Waters. Oh sure, yeah, yeah,

853
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:58.039
And I think this guy was from
over there and it was dog man

854
01:07:58.079 --> 01:08:01.960
related this guy, and I'm thinking
this guy was a I'm wanting to say

855
01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:05.480
that this guy was even a deputy
sheriff. No quote me on that,

856
01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:12.400
but it seemed like he was a
constable or something like that. And I

857
01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:16.000
specifically remember it was dog man.
Very interesting. Yeah, listeners, If

858
01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:21.520
anyone has any leads about any bigfoot
activity or dog man activity or anything in

859
01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:28.239
the Franklin County, Texas area Sulfur
River bottoms, I'm curious in it for

860
01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:30.640
a few reasons I can't get into
right now, but you can reach out

861
01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:33.119
to me a big Foot Stigma dot
com or you can put it in the

862
01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:38.199
YouTube comments as well. It has
been a fun time chatting with you,

863
01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:41.920
John. Thank you so much for
reaching out to me. You're very welcome.

864
01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:45.680
You're very welcome, and I'm here
your podcasts and I just I just

865
01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:48.159
like the way you do business.
I just really appreciate you. Thank you.

866
01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:53.800
And I don't think that the activity
is going to let up on your

867
01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:58.159
your ranch that you deal with,
so please keep me in the loop with

868
01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:01.720
what continues to happen down there.
Just want to take a few minutes to

869
01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:08.079
say thank you to you all my
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If you've had a bigfoot encounter related
to the following or know someone who

876
01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:40.840
has, please reach out to me
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877
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:45.720
pass on my email. Here's the
list. Bush pilots in Alaska that have

878
01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:49.680
seen something from their plane, Retired
law enforcement officers who department had a large

879
01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:55.560
file for bigfoot encounters, Individuals that
have had bigfoot encounters on their family property

880
01:09:55.600 --> 01:10:00.039
through multiple years and generations. Individuals
who've had a face to face encounter in

881
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:03.039
the state of Tennessee, North Carolina, Kentucky, West Virginia, Alabama,

882
01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:06.680
or Mississippi. Individuals who've had a
face to face encounter in the state of

883
01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:12.560
Oklahoma or Arkansas in the Washita National
Forest. Individuals who've had a face to

884
01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:16.560
face encounter on Prince of Wales Island
or surrounding area in southeast Alaska. Any

885
01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:21.199
encounter in Franklin County, Texas.
Hunters that have never shared what they saw

886
01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:26.079
in the woods due to fear of
ridicule. Individuals that have had a bigfoot

887
01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:30.359
tried to enter your house in the
Honabi, Oklahoma area. Any encounters that

888
01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:33.920
happened within a twenty mile radius of
Northfield, Massachusetts and twenty five mile radius

889
01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:40.159
of Great Barrington, Massachusetts. Encounters
in the enchanted Circle, encounters in the

890
01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:44.920
Yosemite National Park area, or any
national park for that matter. Individuals that

891
01:10:44.960 --> 01:10:48.520
have lived a long life don't care
what people think about them now and want

892
01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:53.760
to share what happened to them fifty
to sixty years ago. I'm your guy

893
01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:58.720
to share your story. Individuals that
live in remote wooded property and feel like

894
01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:02.039
they're under attacked by bige after clearing
their land. And lastly, any bigfoot

895
01:11:02.079 --> 01:11:08.159
encounters where the individual saw what seemed
to be an orangutan, Please reach out

896
01:11:08.199 --> 01:11:10.880
to me a Big for Society at
gmail dot com. If any of those

897
01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:15.720
fit what you've experienced, and for
those where it doesn't fit, please feel

898
01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:18.960
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899
01:11:19.159 --> 01:11:24.680
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