July 18, 2025

Ripped Its Leg Off: Bigfoot Attack in the Woods | Washington

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Season 1

What happens when a young boy hears a scream in the Oregon forest that makes his dogs bolt — and years later, comes face-to-face with a creature peering into a cabin window on the Washington coast? In this chilling and deeply detailed episode, we sit down with Stefan, a listener who shares the lifelong string of unexplained encounters that drove him to investigate the mystery of Bigfoot. From a childhood encounter near Klamath Falls to the terrifying moment when a gray, weathered Sasquatch locked eyes with him outside a beach house in Long Beach, Washington, Stefan offers one of the most vivid eyewitness accounts ever shared on Bigfoot Society. You’ll hear about dismembered deer, overpowering stench near a tent, strange voices calling his birth name, and the unforgettable moment his mother saw red eyes staring in through a second-story window. This isn’t just a story about Sasquatch — it’s about fear, intuition, and what happens when the unknown finds you again and again.

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You're listening to Big FO Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's guest is one that didn't grow up looking for monsters,

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but monsters may have been looking for him. It started

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in the woods of Oregon when the scream ripped through

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the trees and sent two fearless dogs running seven miles

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in the wrong direction. There's many accounts shared in this episode,

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including one visual description, which is the most detailed I've

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ever heard in my years of doing this show. This

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is a story of Stefan and the creature who stared

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back on the shores of Washington. So stay with us,

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all right, I pick the Society. We got the privilege

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of talking to Stepan today. Stephan is an individual who's

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a listener of the podcast. Reached out about a lot

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of really interesting things that have been happening throughout his life,

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so we'll be talking about that today. Welcome to the show, Stefan.

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How are you doing, sir?

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I'm doing well, Thank you.

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I am really interested to see where this interview will go.

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You've told me a little bit about what we're getting into,

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and yeah, I'd say let's go ahead and feel free

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to take us as far back as as you need

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to when things out of the ordinary started happening in

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your life, and and we'll kind of go through the

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journey together and then see where we end up.

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So, okay, So I came to your podcast because I

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began doing some research about bigfoot for myself, because I

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had several experiences that didn't make sense to me. When

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I was a kid, I experienced some interesting things, you know.

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It's it's one of these situations where I have to ask,

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do you want to take the blue pill or the

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red pill. The blue pill is that these are I

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think the blue pillars. I think that the the experience

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is a bigfoot and so forth can be viewed through

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the lens of that they're a physical being and that

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they will act and respond according to natural law. The

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red pill is that there's a whole lot of other

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stuff going on any universe that we can't explain, and

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our attempt to really understand the subject of bigfoot may

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only come once.

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We have a closer.

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Communication field open with an actual society of big bigfoots.

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I don't know how you say bigfoot or big feet,

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because it also seems that bigfoot are very different in

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different parts of the world. As far as what I understand, I.

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Don't know a whole lot about Bigfoot. Let me put

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it that way.

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I only know what I've learned from research and heard

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over your podcast and a couple others as an Assisian

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on the Internet, and it seems to be that that.

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There's a lot of known.

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Markers or commonalities amongst things, but there's still also seems.

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To be a great deal of unknowns.

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And so I'm in the group along with you know,

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most everybody else, I would say, is that we.

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Don't really know. So when I was a kid, I

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started experiencing paranormal things. And some of this will sound

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very bizarre are but.

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I would wake in the middle of the night, floating

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out of my bed in mid air, and then I

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would follow the floor. I also experienced a paralysis in

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my body until I was probably twelve, where I'd be

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awake in my body, but I couldn't move my body.

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I have studied since out of body experiences, and especially

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the work of the Monroe Institute, and come to learn

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that a great deal of these experiences are maybe not common,

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that they're known and understood. But the point of bringing

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this up is that from time the time I was

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a young kid, I was questioning exactly what was going

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on in the universe. And then when other things happened

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and I in my own experiences, it sort of propelled

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me into researching and understanding or at least trying to

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understand what was going on.

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Later in my life, I had a dear death experience

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and had.

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Experiences from that that helped propel me forward to understanding

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a little more. But again I'm going to stipulate that

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I don't profess to know it all, and that especially

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comes to Bigfoot. So my first I've had, I believe,

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what are several run ins with this species or entity

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or beings at different different in different ways.

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And so the.

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First one when I was about I was about eleven

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and a half to twelve, because we were I know

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that because we were living outside the Klamathal, Oregon. We

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had moved out into a big valley in the woods.

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We were only one of I believe two houses out there.

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My parents had built one house for their business partner

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and then one house that we ended up moving into.

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We had about one hundred acres.

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There was a valley that we sort of lived in

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that it was kind of an open space, but then

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the rest of it was deep woods, and then about

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maybe eight miles away there was a like somebody had

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developed a trailer court trailer park.

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Anyway, as a kid, I used to just.

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You know, we raised livestock and so forth with my

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parents hunted and fished and all that stuff we all did.

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So being in the woods was, you know, just an

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everyday occurrence.

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I spent all my hours when I wasn't doing chores

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out in the woods. I was fascinated with.

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Birds, especially hawks and stellar jays, which of these dark

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blue jays that make a lot of noise.

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Through the forest.

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And I was always trying to follow these birds and

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get a closer look because as I'm an artist, and

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so I was always trying to get closer to these animals.

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So that I could draw them. Because when I went to.

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The library and checked out books on birds and stuff,

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they had pretty decent photographs, but I always wanted to

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get closer to sort of observe them in more detail.

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So I had a natural curiosity in that way. And

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before we had moved.

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To clout Falls, we had lived in Death Valley, California,

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and I had spent hours and hours out of the

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desert looking at it.

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Animals.

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I used to catch all kinds of animals just to

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observe them and then release them. But anyway, when we

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were on this property in Climate Falls, Wyoming, it was

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routine that I just went out into the forest and

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I would sit, or I would.

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Or I would follow some animal as quietly as possible

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to see as if I could get close to it.

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And we had two dogs. And these two dogs were

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just you know, great dogs, but they also they were

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brothers and sisters. They also were seemingly not afraid really

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to get into anything. They remember they got into a porcupine,

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They got in a fight with a coyote that lasted

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for hours at night around our house. So they were

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pretty scrappy little dogs. And one particular day when this

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first experience happened, I just went for a walk out

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in the woods. And what that meant was that our

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house that was already in woods at the edge of

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this valley. I just walked directly behind our house and

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I just kept walking. There was no trails, there was nothing,

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And I did this quite often, but this particular.

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Day, I walked a long ways. I remember I.

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Walked for a couple hours, which was you know, I

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wasn't going fast. I was stopping every once in a

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while looking for you know, chipmunks or birds or whatever.

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But I do.

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Remember it was probably about two hours into the hike,

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and my two dogs are you know, just you know,

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hanging along with me, sniffing everything. And I remember we

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saw a My dogs walked right past a nighthawk.

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I think they're called nighthawks.

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It's this bird that lives in the ground. It has

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a little nest in the ground, and because I was

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pretty observant, I just happened to see it and they just.

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Walked right past. The day I didn't know it.

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Was there, and then it ended up flying out. But anyway,

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we were at about that juncture and something screamed extremely loud.

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I remember as a kid, I was pretty good at

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judging distances because I remember, you know, we'd go up

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berry picking or hunting or you know, other things out

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in the woods and you would hear noises or you know,

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because there's no traffic out there, you can kind of

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judge how far something was away. If my memory serves me,

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I would guess that the scream I heard was probably

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five hundred to eight hundred yards away from me. It

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wasn't close, but it wasn't that far away, but it was.

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I knew it wasn't human, and I knew it wasn't well.

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At the time, I guessed that it was like a

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cougar or something. I had no idea, but I'd never

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heard a cat make that sort of a noise.

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It was a The best way I could sum it

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up is it.

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Was a scream and a growl and a yeah, probably

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a scream and a growl combined. And it was just

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really loud. I mean, it was so loud. And what

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I immediately felt after it happened was to get home.

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That was it. I immediately thought, I need to get

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out of here. And when the scream happened. My dogs

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they were.

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Standing in front of me, one on pretty much either side,

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about three feet apart. When the scream happened, they looked

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at me, and then I just looked down at them,

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and my instinct was to go home, and I said

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go home to the dogs, and they just immediately headed

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back toward our house.

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Now I was eleven, twelve years old.

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I just assumed the dogs knew their way home, but

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evidently they didn't because we ended up at that.

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Trailer park you know about.

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It was probably about five or six seven miles from

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our house, and it took us a long time to

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get back. I remember that because it was it was

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dark when we got to that trailer park, and I

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had to knock on somebody's door and ask them to

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call my parents. This is back when when you when

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you actually knew somebody's phone number because there was no

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cell phones.

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But so anyway, then my.

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Parents drove down and picked me up, and I, you know,

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I never really thought that much about that experience at

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the time. I just thought I just chalked it up

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and thought, well, it must have been some sort of

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I knew it wasn't a bear because I didn't think

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bears made screams. I knew that cougars or mountain lions

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would scream, but the volume of the scream was so loud.

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I could tell that it was a great distance away,

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but it was so loud it was almost as if

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if it was a mountain lion.

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It was next to me.

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It was like within one hundred feet, but I knew

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it wasn't because I could tell the distance that it

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had traveled. So, you know, I'm sure I must have

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mentioned it to my parents.

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But anyway, and I used to sleep.

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Now, this was after we had been at that house

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for about a year and a half, maybe two years,

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I can't remember exactly, but it was soon after this,

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you know, within I'm trying to remember, but within a

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few months I think, or maybe a year, that my

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parents moved. I never thought of it as a kid,

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because we moved a lot.

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We moved I think.

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Thirteen times by the time I was fifteen and moved

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out of my own But years later, this was in

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I think nineteen ninety nine or two thousand, I went

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down to visit.

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My mother, who was living in another.

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State, and during that visit, I don't remember how it

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came up.

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I think she brought it up because I wouldn't have brought.

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It up because Bigfoot wasn't even in my sort of

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spectrum of thinking. I literally haven't really thought about Bigfoot

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much my whole life until probably the last two years.

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But she brought up the fact that in that house

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one night, she peered into one of one of our bedrooms.

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I was one of two other siblings, so there was

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three of us. She peered into one of our bedrooms,

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probably just to check on us, to see if we

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were asleep or whatever. And she said that she saw

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and she was trembling when she told me this.

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And this is.

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Twenty years twenty five years after the fact.

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And this is a woman who.

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Hunted and fished her entire life. She has had all

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kinds of stories about getting chased up trees by moose.

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And I mean all kinds of stuff.

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These were farmers or ranchers that's born and bred, did me.

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That's for generations. So she wasn't a woman who was

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afraid of really much of anything. I don't believe as

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far as the animal world. And she said she looked

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in to peer in the bedroom and when she's that

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house was a one story concrete block house with two fireplaces.

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One at each end.

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The bedrooms were on one side of the house for

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us kids in a line, and then on the other

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side of the house was their bedroom and a living room.

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And when she said she saw a black creature looking

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in the window, and it had reddish eyes, and she

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said that its whole head took up the entire window.

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And I remember the windows in our bedrooms. They were

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probably I'm you know this isn't exact, but I do

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have a photo actually at my place. Yeah, I was

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just looking through some photos the other day. I think

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I have a photo of.

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One of the windows.

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But I think the windows were probably twenty four by

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thirty just small windows whatever, would fit in easily with

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a concrete block construction. But she said she could tell

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that the creature was bent down and looking in by

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the way its head was positioned and talked a little bit.

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And those windows would be probably at six feet height.

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So if it was.

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Bending down and looking in, and I remember the eaves

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of the house were probably twenty four inches and the

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ceiling height ver was eight I believe I did construction,

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so I kind of remember some basic things. So if

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it was bending down looking in the window, I would

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presume it was at least taller than.

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Six feet, potentially seven feet or who knows how much taller.

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I there's no way for me to know, because I

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didn't see it.

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But as she told me this, and this was in

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the daylight, I was there with my ex we were

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just having general conversation. But as soon as she started

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talking about this memory, she was visibly shaken. And this

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was like twenty five years later, So again I didn't

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think that much about it at the time, other than

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the fact, well she attributed to being a demon because

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she's very religious Christian and that's kind of her beliefs.

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If it isn't a known creature, then.

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It must be a devil.

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So anyway, she said it was very hairy, it was black,

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It's had a huge head that filled basically the window.

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It was bent down, obviously having to.

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Look in, you know.

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So I'm trying to give you as much information because

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I know for your interviews you go back and question

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people ask about things, so trying to give you detail.

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She didn't mention that she saw its teeth or anything else.

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She just mentioned that it looked very evil, which to

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me I could perceive that maybe it just had a

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straight look on its face, like because other people described

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the Bigfoot to have some of them don't have any expression,

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so they look very serious. And when people look serious,

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people think they're mad, but they potentially aren't.

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They just just don't have any expression on their face.

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So it's hard to say. But anyway, my family ended

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up moving after that.

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Not long after that, and it was only in the

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last couple of years I've been thinking about that.

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I thought, I wonder if that's.

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Why they moved, because she was so physic visibly shaken

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twenty twenty five years later, it must have really shaken

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her up. Then there was another incident I remember at

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that same house. My brother came in from hunting one time.

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He was out hunting deer, and he said a deer

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ran past him and one of its hind legs was

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completely detached and only hanging by the skin, and then.

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He had tried to pursue it.

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It was running on three legs. He tried to pursue

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it and to excuse me harvest it because it was

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obviously injured, but he couldn't find it. At least I

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don't remember that he found it, But now looking back,

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I think that's highly unusual. I remember or that he

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thought that a hunter might have shot it in the

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back leg and then the leg was slopping. But knowing anatomy,

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at least, my best guess is that doesn't really sound correct,

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because he said its leg was actually flopping over its

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back as it was hopping, and that sounds more like

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to me. Maybe something grabbed it and wrenched on it

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so hard, you know, maybe it was a big but

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who knows.

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We'll never know. So I'm trying to think that there was.

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Anything else from that house. I don't think so. I

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think that was it. So I heard the scream, my

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mother saw something, and then we moved, so whatever all

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that means.

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But I do remember.

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That that scream was something that made me physically just

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want to leave. And again, of course, if you heard

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a cougar or a bear, you do the same. I

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did come face to face with a bear one time,

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and my immediate response was to run. It was literally

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three feet in front of me. I had gone down

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into a push up position to drink out of a

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creek that was surrounded, that was filled with reeds like

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cattails and stuff. I was with my grandparents looking at

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a piece of property and I just went down a

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push up position. I was a young team probably about

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two years after this, and was sucking up the water

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and I heard something lapping the water that started directly

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after I started.

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And I looked up when I was looking.

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Directly in the eyes of a black bear, and its

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eyes got bigger. You could see the whites of its eyes,

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and obviously Mike did the same. I ran one direction

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and it ran the other. So the second thing that

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I the next thing I experienced was in about two thousand,

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I went camping when I was married.

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And my accent.

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I went camping outside of Bend. I think it was

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outside of Bend, Oregon. Yeah, it was outside of Bend, Oregon,

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and we just we were visiting some relatives of hers.

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And we had decided to camp in.

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A tent overnight. And it was a very dry area.

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There were trees around, but not as like thickly packed

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as like you have around Portland, Oregon or climate falls,

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but they were, you know, there was a lot of trees.

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We were up on sort of a some sort of

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a rise of a hill or a bluff, if you will,

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because when we looked out the tent, the landscape went

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down and then you could see for a while. And

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in the middle of the night when we were camping,

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I woke up, which I usually don't, especially at that age.

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Now I'm sixty.

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So I do wake up more often than I used to.

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But at that age, this is twenty five years ago,

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I would I normally would just sleep completely through the night.

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Nothing wake me up.

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My parents used to have us saying that, you know,

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don't try to talk to our youngest before they've had breakfast,

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because I would just be sort of a zombie until

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I get some food in me. So I would just

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sleep through the night. But anyway, I woke up in

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the middle of the night inside the tent, and the

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tent was filled with the worst stench and putrid smell.

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I mean, it just smelled like a dead body to me,

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like if.

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You come upon like a dead cow.

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Or or coyoteer, even a snake when it's dead, the stinks.

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It was just the most putrid smell, and it was

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just filling the tent. And when I woke up, I

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remember propping myself up on my elbow, and my elbow was.

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Next to and my sleeping bag was next to.

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Where the tent top came down to meet the ground

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where it attaches to the bottom of the tent. So

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there's a little corner there, you know, all the way

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around the tent, and so my arm was on the

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sleeping dig next to the bottom of the tent.

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And besides this, once.

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I was like, I mean, I was nearly gagging on

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the smell. I think I was possibly gagging a smell

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just like ugh, you know, I didn't say anything, though,

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I heard something outside the tent, and it sounded the

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best description I could think as it sounded like almost

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as if somebody had a broom with care on it

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or fur or something.

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Soft like that. It wasn't a stiff.

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Bristle straw sound like that type of a broom. It

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was kind of like somebody had a like a softer.

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Textured broom.

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And it was just kind of being moved around next

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to the tent. And then I could see that the

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wall of the tent not far from my elbow was moving,

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and I just reflectively drew my elbow in tighter to

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my torso. And this thing moved like right, so if

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I would have like cut a hole in the tent

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and looked at it would have been.

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Right there, inches from me.

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And it paused near my elbow, like it paused there

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and then it and then it continued around sort of

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the back of me. So I heard it. It traveled

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probably five or six feet, because I heard it a

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little distance away, like perhaps it was at the front

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of the tent, maybe not even that far three or

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four feet.

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Because I woke up, I smelled the.

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Off the smell I heard the sound, it came closer,

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it got really close to me, and then it went

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just behind me, and then I heard it get softer

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and softer, I presume, farther and farther away from me,

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and then the smell gradually went away. The thing that

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significantly stands out as a marker for me in the

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whole experience, and I've have witnessed this and people who

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have talked on your show and other things, is that

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people have this fear that enters their entire physiological being.

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So your whole body is on alert, you're shaking, You

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basically fear for your life. It's a fight and flight response.

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And when I woke up, I was already in that.

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So even before I consciously was aware that maybe there

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was something outside the tent, I already had that physiological response.

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And when I hear other people talk about this physiological response,

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because I've spent a great deal of my life trying

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to understand our consciousness and unconscious mind and how it operates,

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and our being as souls, because we are definitely more

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than our body, because I've experienced being out of my body.

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My point is.

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That when this fear or this physiological action happens, in

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the body where you actually are in terror. We could

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label it as physiological terror. It's a fighting flight response

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to get.

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Out of there.

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To me, to my understanding is that it's from our unconscious,

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so or unconscious as I've come to understand, is a

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wake twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.

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It never sleeps.

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That's why a person can be put under hypnosis and

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they can recall all kinds of details from every license

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plate they saw, you know, on their drive home, to

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memories from you know, years ago. They can remember everything

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because their unconscious records everything, and are consciousness just you know,

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it's only tracking.

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It's so much stuff.

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So I believe that it was an unconscious response that

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woke me up. My unconscious was aware of this creature,

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whatever it was, that it was an imminent threat or

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potential threat, because it was more physically or possibly other

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powerful than myself as a.

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Human being, and it woke me up. And then I

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had that experience.

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One other experience that I had, well, I've had it

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more than twice. I've had actually sender think about it.

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I've had it multiple times.

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That was like this.

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So I went to Yosemite. This was about four years

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ago with my Yeah, they were a teenager at that time.

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They're still while they're still teenager. But we went to

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Yosemite for a week. We camped about ten minutes from

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the entrance to the Yosemite.

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It was a nice close place.

477
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:10.839
To hang out and everything went fine that We had

478
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:14.079
a great time. We skateboarded around the whole place. It

479
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:20.039
was just fantastic. But we did take a trail up

480
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:24.960
above the big lodge there and we didn't go far

481
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:30.640
into nature. But when we were on that trail and

482
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:34.839
it was getting close to being dark, so the sun

483
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:38.240
was going down, we were losing light. We were on

484
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:45.119
that trail, my physiological body it just lit up like

485
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:50.119
there was this intense fear and the fight or flight.

486
00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:50.799
You know.

487
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:54.160
We were just on a trail. I could we could

488
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:56.720
still see the buildings. If we ran hard, we could

489
00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:02.319
get to those buildings in fairly quick order. But my

490
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:06.839
youngster was just having fun, you know, doing whatever, and

491
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:07.960
we were joking around.

492
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:12.680
But this physiological change happened in my body.

493
00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:20.200
And I had the intense feeling. I don't know whether

494
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:22.240
it was too or not, but I had this intense

495
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.240
feeling that I was being observed and I was also

496
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:32.920
being tracked, and so I think our unconscious knows like

497
00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:40.640
if what's transpiring in the environment, while our conscience may

498
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:46.000
not be fully aware. But because I was physiologically triggered

499
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:49.640
by something, and then the information I was receiving was

500
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.559
that I was being watched and tracked, made me think

501
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:57.440
that there is something actually watching me and tracking me.

502
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:02.799
And I kept looking behind us, and at some point,

503
00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:05.839
at one point, I just started walking backwards, even though

504
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:07.000
we were on a rocky trail.

505
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:08.200
I started walking.

506
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:11.559
Backwards in case there was like a cougar or something

507
00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:13.720
that was tracking us and following us, because I know

508
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:15.799
that they liked the stock from behind.

509
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:23.279
And but I never saw anything. We and I expedited us,

510
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:25.759
leaving quickly. I said, hey, why don't we.

511
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:28.559
You know, trot down to the the There was like

512
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:31.839
some buildings and stuff, and there was a guft store.

513
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:33.720
I said, why don't we just go down there and

514
00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:34.720
go to the gift store.

515
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:35.359
And.

516
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:41.480
So so we did. But that was the same feeling

517
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:45.400
and another time, well, I had the family several times.

518
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:48.920
And another location though, was where.

519
00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:52.839
I actually saw a creature, and that was in Long Beach, Washington,

520
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:59.240
but before, well mostly after and that may be tied

521
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:00.279
into my own.

522
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:02.519
Psychology.

523
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:06.599
Uh give, I'm just say that because you know, once

524
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:09.880
you have an experience, you may you know, make stuff

525
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:13.159
up in your head. Right, So but I did have

526
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:17.159
that said, I did have experiences after I saw that

527
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:20.440
creature when because I worked up there for about a

528
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:23.559
year and a half during COVID, and sometimes I would be,

529
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:29.079
you know, sitting up at night or going to bed,

530
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:33.440
and I would have an intent, that same intense feeling

531
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:35.920
like I needed to get the heck out of there

532
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:41.159
because something's watching me. And and it was. It wasn't

533
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:44.039
very often, but when it came on, it was it

534
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:47.440
was like it was very thick and intense.

535
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:48.960
It's the only way I could say it.

536
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:56.440
So, you know, it could be said, well, because you

537
00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:58.639
had that experience, maybe you have a fear of an

538
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:01.360
unknown creature, so then you have these feelings once in a

539
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:03.760
while based on your mood, and I could say, yeah,

540
00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:07.039
that could be right. Maybe there was absolutely nothing there.

541
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.960
I could totally go along with that because without facts,

542
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:16.280
without evidence, I'm just going to presume that it's an unknown.

543
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:20.559
So I kind of look at things as very practical,

544
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:25.400
but I also have to include things that I may

545
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:27.400
not have control of or understanding of.

546
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:28.840
I'll give you an example.

547
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:35.719
So I was in a couple auto accidents that put

548
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:37.519
me in bed for three years. And this was about

549
00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:40.559
thirty years ago before I had a near death experience.

550
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:44.440
And one day I shared a daylight basement was my

551
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:51.159
landlady who was a retired teacher, and one day the

552
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:53.719
daylight basement, so her laundry was in the basement, but

553
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:55.840
was on the other side of a wall, so I

554
00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:58.119
had to go through a door to go to the laundry.

555
00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:02.599
So I would go do my laundry. So one day

556
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:05.159
I open up the door to go into the laundry

557
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:09.800
and I saw a ghost sitting on the steps to

558
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:13.599
go up to her main house. And I looked directly

559
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:19.239
at the image that faded really fast, and I asked

560
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:23.079
the question, who are you? When I asked that question,

561
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:27.519
I heard a loud noise in my apartment just on

562
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:32.239
the other side of my wall. When I asked the question,

563
00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:38.239
immediately in my mind I heard the name Kenneth, So

564
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:41.599
I thought okay, and I asked, I asked, what do

565
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:47.599
you want? And it said turn out the lights. This

566
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:52.320
is not very odd, right, And weeks before this, I

567
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:55.719
had had something knocking on the door several.

568
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:59.119
Times and I'd get up and look out the door

569
00:36:59.079 --> 00:36:59.920
and nobody was there.

570
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:05.159
So anyway, I just said okay, and so I just

571
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:08.239
did my laundry. When I went back into my side

572
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:10.800
of the apartment, wondering what the loud noise was, I

573
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:13.239
saw that all my books that had been stacked on

574
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:17.159
a shelf next to the wall had flown across the room,

575
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:20.440
hit the other wall, and drop down to the floor.

576
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:29.800
And then I thought about what that apparition the ghost

577
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:33.840
wanted for me, and that was to turn out the lights.

578
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:36.880
And I thought, okay, I was on reconnaissance.

579
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:37.239
I was.

580
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:39.920
I ended up having to go on the bed rest

581
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:45.159
soon after that. So anyway, because I was so had

582
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:47.639
all these symptoms and stuff, I would stay up late

583
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:49.760
watching movies and I would fall asleep and I would

584
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:54.119
leave the lights on, and evidently the ghost wanted me

585
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:57.039
to turn out the lights. I was like, why does

586
00:37:57.079 --> 00:37:59.360
this ghost want me to turn out the lights. About

587
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:03.039
two weeks later, my landlady came down. She was doing laundry,

588
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:04.679
so I went out there and I talked to her

589
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:08.400
and stuff, and she tells me, she says, and she

590
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:11.440
had never talked about her personal stuff. She was a

591
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:16.199
very intravertied woman, very nice anyway, So she just while

592
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:18.159
I was talking to her, she happened to say, Hey,

593
00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:22.239
you know, there's stuff in that closet over there, and

594
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:25.360
if is there anything there you want, you can have it.

595
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.400
And I thought, well, I'm not going to go through

596
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:30.719
her personal stuff, you.

597
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:33.280
Know, but about I don't know, a few days later,

598
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:36.119
I thought, well, I had nothing to do as I thought, well,

599
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.280
I'll just go through there. Maybe there's some, you know,

600
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:40.719
something I could use, you know. So I went through

601
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:42.440
the closet and I was looking. There wasn't that much

602
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:46.079
stuff in there. But at the very back of the closet,

603
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:49.360
in the corner was something that looked metal and I

604
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:50.800
pulled it out and.

605
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:52.559
It was a It was a sword.

606
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:57.320
It was a incredibly beautiful military sword that had engraving

607
00:38:57.800 --> 00:38:59.760
and on the blade as I pulled it out of

608
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:05.800
the it said Kenneth and it had her last name, So.

609
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.679
It was about I don't know.

610
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:16.719
Sometime after that, not too long though, I asked her

611
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:20.920
because obviously her husband's name was Kenneth, and this ghost.

612
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:27.800
Told me its name was Kenneth and I uh, I think.

613
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.159
I asked her, oh, how long were you and your

614
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:30.920
husband married?

615
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:33.440
And she shared, and she said that he died in

616
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:39.960
Mount Everest, climbing out in Mount Everest. And so I

617
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.000
saw the continuity between.

618
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:48.760
What the ghost said the verification of the name.

619
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:52.440
He gave me an a sword, and then she told

620
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.840
me he tried a tragic death, probably thinking of her

621
00:39:56.400 --> 00:40:02.119
when he passed. And my own experience in perspective is

622
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:07.000
that when we pass away, we're simply into a fourth dimension.

623
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:10.840
At the next dimension, so we have access to this one,

624
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:14.039
just like you and I can tell the difference between

625
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:16.519
a line and a dot. But if we were or

626
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:19.199
a point, sorry, if we were only a point, we

627
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:21.000
would never comprehend a line.

628
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:23.199
Also, if we were aligned.

629
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:26.400
We wouldn't comprehend something three dimensional like a cube, because

630
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:29.119
it wouldn't be in our consciousness. But because we are

631
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:32.039
three dimensional, we can perceive both a.

632
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:33.280
Point and a line.

633
00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:36.400
We can see in lower dimensions and understand it, but

634
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:40.079
we can't vice versa. We can't understand the fourth dimension

635
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:43.239
because we don't exist there. However, when you pass over,

636
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:46.639
you are in another dimension and can perceive everything here,

637
00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:52.760
and so some beings people souls choose to be attached

638
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.239
to this dimension and want to interact with it. And

639
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:59.360
that's exactly at least my understanding is what he did.

640
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:03.239
Wanted to get my attention. He moved the books off

641
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:10.599
my shelf, he presented himself, and then you know, I

642
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:16.039
immediately asked him a question what he want. So it

643
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:19.519
was my general understanding that he wanted me to use

644
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:24.039
less electricity because my electricity was included in my rent,

645
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:25.280
which wasn't much.

646
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:28.719
And it was after that I decided, okay, I'm going.

647
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:30.719
To turn out the lights to make sure the TV's

648
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:33.840
off a certain time. I never had a knock on

649
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:37.400
the door again. I never had any visitation from him again.

650
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:38.400
Nothing.

651
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:45.840
And I lived there another like three years. So there

652
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:49.280
are things that we that I don't understand. So I

653
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:55.000
can't really say that coming back to that that gut

654
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:58.360
feeling of fear, there may be that when I was

655
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:01.960
at the beach several times when I had that feeling

656
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:05.719
that something was watching me, Maybe something was, maybe wasn't.

657
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:08.360
I don't know, but.

658
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.880
So I'm trying to think in chronological order. So I

659
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:18.800
heard the scream and climate falls, I went camping and

660
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:24.239
banned and smelled something, and at the time, I didn't

661
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:24.679
think of.

662
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:27.719
A big foot.

663
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:31.440
It just wasn't in my spectrum. I you know, my

664
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:34.400
parents were religious. We weren't allowed to watch scary movies,

665
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:36.800
so I never watched any bigfoot movies.

666
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:38.800
I mean, I've heard a big foot.

667
00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:40.440
I saw the stickers and stuff when I was a

668
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:43.119
kid and thought it was fun, but I never thought

669
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:47.039
anything of it. So when I smelled something awful in

670
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:49.800
my tent the next day, I just thought, well, maybe

671
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.480
it was a badger, you know. And I remember I

672
00:42:52.559 --> 00:43:00.280
followed the followed the outside the tent. I exited tent

673
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:05.239
the next morning, excuse me. And the ground was hard

674
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:10.360
and dry, but there was it looked like somebody took

675
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:16.320
a broom or piece of fabric or something and had

676
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:21.760
sort of, you know, walked over the ground with it,

677
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:27.320
like they had sort of broomed the ground. And it

678
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:30.599
was distinct though I could tell that it was that

679
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:33.400
it was sort of a path because it came that

680
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:36.800
effect on the ground was near the front of the tent,

681
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:39.599
and then there was bushes and stuff. It came around

682
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:43.119
where the thing where I sensed it and heard it

683
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:46.920
and smelt it. Though the smell was in the whole tent.

684
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:49.639
There was no point of where the smell came from.

685
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:50.840
It was just everywhere.

686
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:55.079
And then I saw that those effects on the ground continued,

687
00:43:56.840 --> 00:44:00.880
and then it went down sort of a slight embankment.

688
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:05.639
I heel slightly, maybe twenty feet, and then then they

689
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:09.719
just stopped. So I didn't see any footprints or anything.

690
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:13.159
But I was trying to rationalize this, thinking what animal

691
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:19.440
lives exist close to the ground, might stink awful and

692
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:22.519
be curious around people's tent. I thought, well, I've never

693
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:24.880
really seen a badger in real life, so I thought, well,

694
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:28.079
maybe it was a badger. You know, maybe because badgers,

695
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:30.800
I think are dirty animals and they live in the

696
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.320
ground and eat dead things as well as live things,

697
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:36.719
and kind of like possum smell.

698
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:39.800
But I thought, well, maybe it was a badger.

699
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:43.440
You know, the furs close to the ground, they sort

700
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:46.880
of you know, they probably make some sort of brushing

701
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:48.880
sound when they move across the ground because they have

702
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:50.039
some short legs.

703
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:53.800
So I just chalked it up as that.

704
00:44:55.280 --> 00:45:00.360
It still doesn't explain the fear, however, and my physiological action,

705
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:06.320
because I was raised around animals, investigated animals followed animals.

706
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:11.159
I didn't really have it anate fear of badgers or

707
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:15.119
still anything. I mean, I guess we all do to

708
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:15.719
some degree.

709
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:17.800
Though we hear something or about something in the middle

710
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:19.400
of the night, we might farewell. Is that a bear?

711
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:20.679
And that would definitely scare me.

712
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:26.440
So anyway, so there was the sound of the call

713
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:30.239
and climate falls and my mother seeing it in the window,

714
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:37.400
then the tent camping and the smell, and then we

715
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:42.280
fast forward another twenty years till about two years ago,

716
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.280
I was working outside of Long Beach, Washington.

717
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:47.480
I'd worked there for about a year and a half,

718
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:49.400
but it.

719
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:54.559
Was the first it was like the first couple of

720
00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:56.519
weeks that I had gone up there. I would go

721
00:45:56.599 --> 00:45:58.199
up there for a week and then come back for

722
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:01.440
a week. And I went up there and brought my

723
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:05.480
youngster and they were about I think about eight or

724
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:10.320
nine at the time, and we were staying in this

725
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:13.760
beach house. It's a fairly large house. On one end

726
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:17.239
it forms an L and on one end there's two stories,

727
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:18.960
and where we were.

728
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:21.840
Going to sleep and slept was on the second.

729
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:28.079
Floor of that main house. So we came in the house.

730
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:31.039
We came in in the evening when it was dark,

731
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:34.360
got out of the car, went into the house. We

732
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:39.119
went directly upstairs to that big open room where there

733
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:43.800
was several beds, because they have guests and stuff there,

734
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:48.760
and for whatever reason, I have no idea why.

735
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:50.440
But as soon as I.

736
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:53.119
Went up and I put our little luggage on the

737
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:56.119
bed and my youngsters like bouncing around off the walls,

738
00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:58.920
happy to be out of the car, I looked out

739
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:02.880
the window. There was a small window that was it's

740
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:06.519
maybe thirty inches wide and three feet tall. I looked

741
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:09.039
out the window, and when I looked out the window,

742
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:10.159
I looked down.

743
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:13.800
And when I looked out the window and down the light.

744
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:17.119
We'd also turned on the lights in the kitchen just

745
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:19.880
as we had come in. Iess my habit will turned

746
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:23.199
lights on. We'd turned on the lights headed up the stairs.

747
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:26.760
When I looked down the window, the light through the

748
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:32.800
kitchen windows was casting a broad amount of light across over.

749
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:34.000
The ground next to the house.

750
00:47:34.039 --> 00:47:37.440
And next to the house there's there's one tree and

751
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:39.920
then there's just a bunch of tall grass. And this

752
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:43.039
house is set right on the coast. I mean, you

753
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:48.400
can walk that's from probably five hundred yards to the beach.

754
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:54.559
You have to go over some sand dunes. But so

755
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:58.679
when I looked out, that light was cascading light for

756
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:04.960
least fifty sixty feet, and then it must have been

757
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:09.239
light enough out because I could easily see the grass

758
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:17.440
as it went across the small field of land maybe

759
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:20.239
five hundred feet or eight hundred feet, and then there

760
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:24.400
was forest. And when I looked out and down, I

761
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:29.880
immediately saw a creature. And the creature was standing on

762
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:34.599
two feet. It was looking in the kitchen window. But

763
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:38.800
when I entered the space of the window looking out,

764
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:46.000
I cast a shadow in the light, and it immediately

765
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:49.400
saw the change in light. So I looked out I

766
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:53.039
saw it. Its head was headed toward the window, looking

767
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:58.960
in the window, peering in, and when it saw the

768
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:02.519
change in light, I immediately looked directly up at me,

769
00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:06.360
and it didn't look like up at the window, like oh,

770
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:09.480
what's going on. It went from looking in the window

771
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:15.039
to looking at me directly in the eye, and it

772
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:18.920
held eyes with me until it turned its head and

773
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:24.800
walked away. The entire time, it never didn't hold eye

774
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:28.679
contact with me. It looked directly in my eyes, and

775
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:33.480
it held my eye contact for probably the three to

776
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:40.199
four seconds it took for it to turn and begin

777
00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:44.880
walking down through the grass, and then it exited into

778
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:50.760
the forest. So I'll describe this creature as best as

779
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:56.280
I can. So I'm six foot. If I would have

780
00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:58.880
been standing next to it, I know it would have

781
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:05.920
been at least if it would have been standing perfectly upright,

782
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:07.960
let's put it that way, it probably would have been

783
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:11.880
seven feet. But it was hunched over at about a

784
00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:17.400
fifteen degree angle. Its legs were short for its height,

785
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:21.000
and its arms were long for its height. Its arms

786
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:26.480
hung down past its waist, and it had hands. It

787
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:31.800
had no protruding air ears like a bear. It was

788
00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:38.039
dark gray. Its hair was probably four to six inches long,

789
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:43.920
and it seemed like oily sort of especially around its

790
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:48.000
face and its head. Its hair just seemed matted and dirty.

791
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:57.039
Its eyes were fairly good size and probably the size

792
00:50:57.079 --> 00:50:58.119
of a quarter.

793
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:00.800
Its nose.

794
00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:04.800
It did not have a protruding muzzle. These are things

795
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.280
that I've gone through in my head a million times

796
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:12.079
since this occurrence. Because I thought at first, Oh, that's

797
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:15.960
a bear, and I immediately after it lost eye contact

798
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:19.360
with me, I came away from the window and.

799
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:20.840
Told my youngster, Hey, there's a bear.

800
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:24.079
Out there, and then we both looked and we could

801
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:28.199
both watch it as it walked away and entered the forest.

802
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:33.039
But since then and I think, Yeah, my friends that

803
00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:35.880
I was working for were home and I went downstairs

804
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:37.800
and said, hey, there was a bear outside looking in

805
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:42.079
the window. And I still did not think about that.

806
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:44.480
It wasn't a bear. I just thought, oh, it must

807
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:46.400
be a bear, you know, because I hadn't seen a

808
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:52.320
bear since I was like twelve years old, and you know,

809
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:56.239
I didn't think about bigfoot, but then since I have

810
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:02.639
since then after shortly after that, a big I saw

811
00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:06.000
a mother bear and three cubs right in front of

812
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:07.679
me of my car in my car, and I stopped

813
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:09.960
the car and I actually watched them for about ten minutes,

814
00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:13.039
and I thought to myself, that is not what I

815
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:16.920
saw outside that window. And then it was probably six

816
00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:20.119
months after that, a big male bear walked in front

817
00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:25.480
of my car across the road. This bear just owned

818
00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:29.239
the territory. I mean, he never hesitated to walk onto

819
00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:32.559
the road. He took his time crossing. It went down

820
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:34.840
the other side, and I just sat there in my

821
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:36.159
car and watched the whole thing.

822
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:37.519
It was huge.

823
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:42.400
That was not the creature I saw, for some very

824
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:54.280
specific physiological reasons the difference. So this creature looked when

825
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:58.480
it was looking me in the eye. There was also

826
00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:00.280
a shift in its food.

827
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:02.320
And I say that because.

828
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:08.239
There was some sort of subtle physiological change in its

829
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:12.320
face as soon as it saw me. It went from

830
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:15.639
looking in the window to looking at me. And then

831
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:21.760
its face seemed to be sort of like chagrined or disappointed,

832
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:26.320
or like a brother. You know, never mind, like somebody

833
00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:28.800
saw what I was doing. Okay, I'm going back to

834
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:29.360
the woods.

835
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:29.840
You know.

836
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:33.039
It was just sort of this look, the shift of mood,

837
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:37.760
as if some sort of mood had changed within it.

838
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:44.440
That was my perception. And so it had no protruding

839
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:47.079
ears like a bear. A bear's ears just stick out.

840
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:49.480
I mean, they're like they're so funny. They it's like

841
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:55.400
a cartoon, like Mickey Mouse or something. A bear has

842
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:57.880
a very pronounced muzzle like a dog.

843
00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:01.280
This creature did not have that. Its face was.

844
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:10.079
More flat, and its nose was it wasn't large. I

845
00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:12.840
know from your podcast you always asked this question, did

846
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:15.039
it look more like a human or more like an ape?

847
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:22.000
And I would say it was somewhere in between. I

848
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:24.960
couldn't call it a human, that's for sure. And it

849
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:28.000
definitely didn't look like an ape, but it was something

850
00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:35.599
altogether in itself different. Its mouth was just a just

851
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:38.599
a slit, you know, surrounded by hair.

852
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:42.639
I didn't see any teeth.

853
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:50.559
When it walked away, or when it turned its head

854
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:54.519
and walked away, it seemed to have a different Its

855
00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:58.159
head had a different shape than our head. So I

856
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:02.639
can't remember it the term, you know, the way apes

857
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:07.239
are apes heads are shaped, they have that ridge or something.

858
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:10.719
But from the front, its head just looked round like

859
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:17.880
its hair was matted, and it had less hair around

860
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:23.119
its like around its nose and mouth and eyes, and

861
00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:26.599
it had white like it almost looked like it was old.

862
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:31.039
It had sort of wrinkles around its eyes.

863
00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:32.519
And.

864
00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:35.920
Like it had had a hard day. I mean, this

865
00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:37.039
creature looked.

866
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:40.400
Like it had a rough life, like you know, and

867
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:45.000
maybe me interrupting its small entertainment of watching humans, you know,

868
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:46.760
shifted its mood.

869
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:51.400
I don't know, but it looked like it was like

870
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:52.440
it was old. To me.

871
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:58.480
That was my first initial reaction when I saw it.

872
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:01.599
Even when I saw it thought it was bear. Thinking

873
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:03.920
it was a bear, I thought, that's a really old bear,

874
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:06.159
like man, that's an old bear. I've never seen an

875
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:12.599
old bear. And and it's it's I remember it's it's hands,

876
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:14.239
Which is so funny.

877
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:16.320
When you see something unusual.

878
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:19.239
You go like what, You don't really comprehend it till

879
00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:23.480
like later. The paranormal stuff. Paranormal stuff I get right

880
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:26.079
away because I've had that stuff happen my whole life.

881
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:30.960
I got stories go on and on about that. But

882
00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:34.559
so when I when I experienced something paranormal, like oh, yeah,

883
00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:36.760
there you go. There it goes again, there's something paranormal.

884
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:39.880
I didn't even think much about it. But seeing an

885
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:43.239
odd creature at the time, it's sort of puts you

886
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:45.760
in this At least it did me. It put me

887
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:49.920
in a conscious state of like what like like, I

888
00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:53.679
didn't even comprehend what I was viewing. But because the

889
00:56:53.719 --> 00:56:55.480
thing had hands, and I didn't even think about it

890
00:56:55.480 --> 00:56:58.280
at the time. Bears don't have hands. They have pause,

891
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:03.960
and they have claws are really obvious, and their shoulders

892
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:07.320
and chests and everything shaped different. A distinctive thing that

893
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:11.440
stood out even at the time when I saw this

894
00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:18.079
creature was man, that bear has massive deltoids. This thing

895
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:23.000
had its shoulders were enormous. It's like a weightlifter that

896
00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:26.280
went to the gym, but the only thing he did

897
00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:30.840
was lift do deltoid exercises for like ten years. Like

898
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:38.559
his deltoids were much bigger than in mass than his biceps, triceps, forearms,

899
00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:43.079
even his chest muscles. I mean, he was fairly slender,

900
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:50.679
this creature was, but his deltoids were big. I remember

901
00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:54.159
them just standing out.

902
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:55.599
I'm assuming it was a male.

903
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:59.480
I didn't see any chests, seemed more like a man's,

904
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:09.079
like flat, though it was covered with hair. And I

905
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:13.199
remember noticing that its legs were short, and that's probably

906
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:15.480
what led me to the bear. Thing is bear's legs

907
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:21.119
are short, their back legs. But you know, in the moment,

908
00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:23.679
I didn't even look at the feet. I don't remember

909
00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:27.199
what its feet looked like, but I remember that it

910
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:32.800
did something. Another thing very unusual was that a bear,

911
00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:37.440
if it sees you, it might glance at you and

912
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:39.599
then it'll just do something different if it's going to

913
00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:43.719
do something different, Like if you're at a stream and

914
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:44.599
a bear's.

915
00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:47.599
Looking at the water and you walk up, it'll look.

916
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:50.719
At you and it'll immediately just leave, or it'll immediately

917
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:53.719
come towards you. It'll do something immediately, but it won't.

918
00:58:53.559 --> 00:59:01.159
Keep icon contact generally at in general that it moves immediately.

919
00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:05.360
And a bear has a neck, you know, their neck

920
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:09.960
will move. So when they are standing, if they're going

921
00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:14.320
to turn, they usually go down onto all fours and

922
00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:18.000
then they'll turn and walk away. I guess they will turn,

923
00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:21.519
but it seems uncomfortable for a bear if they're on

924
00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:25.039
their back feet to turn away from you. On their

925
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:27.960
back feet, they'll usually go down and then turn.

926
00:59:28.519 --> 00:59:32.840
That's you know, my you know, in my opinion.

927
00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:36.320
But this creature when it saw me, so it turned,

928
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:39.039
it looked me directly in the eye, and then it's

929
00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:46.320
whole torso and lower body just shifted and turned in

930
00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:52.920
unison directly toward me and away from me. Because when

931
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:55.880
I first saw it, I saw it sort of from

932
00:59:55.960 --> 01:00:01.000
the It was about a three quod arter view, so

933
01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:03.920
I could see it's the front of its body, but

934
01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:08.280
it was turned mostly toward the window. And then it

935
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:13.960
turned toward me and looked at me, so then it

936
01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:18.639
was facing me, but its whole body moved and then

937
01:00:18.719 --> 01:00:22.199
it turned in one motion.

938
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:25.079
And then it.

939
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:30.360
And it stayed hunched over the whole time, and then

940
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:38.239
it started walking away on its back feet, but it

941
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:42.480
did hunch down slightly lower as it was doing that,

942
01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:45.440
But the ground does go down a little bit there.

943
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:49.400
And that's when I broke away, told my youngster, Hey,

944
01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:51.440
there's a bear outside, and then we both came to

945
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:56.039
the window. By that time, it was had moved probably

946
01:00:56.079 --> 01:01:00.559
twenty feet fifteen twenty feet away through this tall It

947
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:04.639
was about three feet high, and the grass was hitting

948
01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:09.599
at about its waist. And now, when a bear is

949
01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:12.920
down on all fours, first of all, a bear will

950
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:14.239
walk away on our folds.

951
01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:16.639
It's not gonna walk away on two feet. This creature

952
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:19.559
was still on his two feet. And when it was

953
01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:23.400
walking away, so what I saw was the.

954
01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:27.480
Back of its shoulders and its head, just like you

955
01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:30.599
would see a human as if they were hunched over

956
01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:32.960
at about a fifteen degree angle, you would see this

957
01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:37.960
flatness of their back and then it would curve down

958
01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:39.840
to their waist and then you'd see the back.

959
01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:40.239
Of their head.

960
01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:46.360
Whereas a bear, if it's standing on all fours, a

961
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:49.599
bear's back is sort of a peak shaped, you know,

962
01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:54.079
it comes to that peak where their shoulders meet, and

963
01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:56.039
then you see the back of their head, which seems

964
01:01:56.199 --> 01:01:58.960
very large as they're walking away and their ears are

965
01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:06.000
sticking out. This, however, was the exact shape of a man,

966
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:09.559
the shape of the shoulders. Of course, the shoulders were bigger,

967
01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:13.440
but it was but the shape of the head. And

968
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:19.960
during the shifting of moving toward me, around and then

969
01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:23.960
as it exited, it didn't really move its neck a

970
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:28.679
whole lot. There was probably some subtle movement in its neck,

971
01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:34.880
but it seemed to move its whole body in sort

972
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:40.360
of a uniform sequence, and there were made any sounds.

973
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:43.079
It never looked back.

974
01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:46.320
It just continued walking through the tall grass, and then

975
01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:49.119
it just disappeared into the forest.

976
01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:52.159
Do you remember if the eyes had any whites to

977
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:52.639
them at all?

978
01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:56.400
No, there was no whites to the eyes.

979
01:02:56.840 --> 01:03:01.119
They seemed slightly recessed, and there was a lot of

980
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:03.239
sort of wrinkling around them.

981
01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:04.960
That's why I think it was.

982
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:10.719
My perception was that this was something old, because at

983
01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:14.400
the time I remember thinking, gosh, that's a really old bear.

984
01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:17.079
I've never seen an old bear, because usually when you

985
01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:20.280
see bears, they're you know, they're vibrant, they're young, they're

986
01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:23.239
even adult bears look young, you know. But this thing

987
01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:27.199
just seemed old, like, you know, I only got a

988
01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:30.920
few a few months left, and you know, I'm trying

989
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:31.719
to entertain.

990
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:35.119
Myself here and you interrupted me, you know, left. So

991
01:03:35.199 --> 01:03:36.599
it just seemed old.

992
01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:40.960
And the things that make me think that is the

993
01:03:41.000 --> 01:03:45.840
way its eyes were kind of recessed and aged looking

994
01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:51.039
the wrinkles, and its skin on its face seemed taunt

995
01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:56.000
It was thin. It wasn't like you wouldn't call it

996
01:03:56.000 --> 01:04:02.360
a robust animal. Of course, chimpanzees fairly emaciated most of

997
01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:06.599
the time, but those things are strong, so that could

998
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:11.800
be an illusion. But but it didn't seem vibrant. It

999
01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:12.960
didn't seem like it was in.

1000
01:04:12.920 --> 01:04:14.679
Its youth, let's put it that way, you know.

1001
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:17.519
And then it was a combination of that and the

1002
01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:21.480
gray color of the fur that make made me think,

1003
01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:24.400
especially around the face because it was it turned really

1004
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:27.320
light gray and some places kind of white.

1005
01:04:28.119 --> 01:04:29.400
It made me think it was old.

1006
01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:37.119
So wow, that's that that must have been. Well, I

1007
01:04:37.159 --> 01:04:40.079
guess I'll ask was how did that affect you after

1008
01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:43.280
you had that actual face to face and you were

1009
01:04:43.280 --> 01:04:46.519
able to get a really really good look at what

1010
01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:47.559
you encountered.

1011
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:53.239
Well, the thing is is at the time, I just thought, oh.

1012
01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:55.519
It must have been an old bear, you know, but

1013
01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:55.960
it was.

1014
01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:59.960
It was later I started thinking about, like, that's not

1015
01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:06.440
a bear because I had four bears total walking basically

1016
01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:08.840
in front of me when I was driving my car.

1017
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:12.719
So I had to literally stop my car and watch

1018
01:05:12.800 --> 01:05:15.559
these black bears walk in front of me. And I

1019
01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:17.960
looked at those black bears, and then I thought about

1020
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:21.119
what I saw, and I thought that was not a bear.

1021
01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:21.880
You know.

1022
01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:27.639
So and then and then I started investigating what that

1023
01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:30.679
what that could have been. So then I started looking

1024
01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:32.840
at a bigfoot podcasts and.

1025
01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:33.639
Listening to stuff.

1026
01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:37.519
And then I started going back and writing down and

1027
01:05:37.599 --> 01:05:42.159
drawing out what I saw, and I thought, there's no

1028
01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:45.800
way that was a bear. There's too many physical markers

1029
01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:48.480
that would make it not a bear. There's a shape

1030
01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:51.480
of its shoulders as it walked away, the way that

1031
01:05:51.519 --> 01:05:55.320
it turned, the absence of ears protruing out, the lack

1032
01:05:55.360 --> 01:06:00.000
of a snout, the fact that it had hands, which

1033
01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:03.320
which is weird. It's funny, like people was there's a

1034
01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:06.559
car accident. People remember different things and some things they

1035
01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:10.159
don't even remember. It's like seeing one of these creatures

1036
01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:15.519
because it's so outside of norm. I just didn't even

1037
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:17.840
think about it, like the fact that it had hands,

1038
01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:21.800
until later, I'm like, the thing had hands. The thing

1039
01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:24.320
I can remember the size of its hands were huge,

1040
01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:28.000
and I remember the thumb, like its thumb being there,

1041
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:31.800
and it was higher. It's like it's palm was longer

1042
01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:37.280
than ours. It's like if you look at your hand

1043
01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:40.239
and you stretch your palm out, the palm second of

1044
01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:43.320
your hand maybe twenty five maybe fifteen to twenty five

1045
01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:47.719
percent more. It was shaped like that, so it was

1046
01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:51.360
like a longer hand. That's the only way I could

1047
01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:55.159
describe it. And it's hand like if you put our

1048
01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:58.280
hand up to our face, it can cover so much

1049
01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:00.719
of our face. I think if the creature would have

1050
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:04.599
put its hand on its face, its fingers probably would

1051
01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:09.280
have easily, you know, reached up high onto its forehead.

1052
01:07:09.519 --> 01:07:16.719
And it had very large hands and fingers.

1053
01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:20.440
So it's so interesting. I mean, that whole area is

1054
01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:23.199
really really well I mean it's really well known for

1055
01:07:23.239 --> 01:07:25.280
a lot of bigfoot stuff, and I mean there's stuff

1056
01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:30.000
that I've taken over the years from that I would

1057
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:34.199
say region. Definitely, there is so much. It's I'm not

1058
01:07:34.280 --> 01:07:38.000
surprised at all that you had that kind of sighting

1059
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:42.639
in that area of Washington. Yeah, and just a few

1060
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:43.199
years ago.

1061
01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:48.880
Wow, Yeah, that was I guess it was twenty twenty

1062
01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:51.800
to twenty twenty two. And I'm going back up there

1063
01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:59.480
here actually this week, so I think I might spend

1064
01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:03.000
some time. One of your listeners, I can't remember who

1065
01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:06.639
it was, but they said that a known creature that

1066
01:08:06.679 --> 01:08:08.000
had been visiting their house.

1067
01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:10.960
What they did is they went they put a light

1068
01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:13.679
on I think it was in their bathroom or some

1069
01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:15.159
other bedroom.

1070
01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:16.760
And then what they would do, they'd sit at the

1071
01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:19.680
opposite side of the house and they would look for

1072
01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:23.039
eye shine for the creature to come near that window

1073
01:08:23.079 --> 01:08:25.159
that had the light on, and then they could see

1074
01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:27.439
the eye shine and that would let them know.

1075
01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:28.439
Where the creature was.

1076
01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:33.600
I was thinking that, you know, these beings, these creatures

1077
01:08:33.760 --> 01:08:38.640
like to watch people, which is just you know, I

1078
01:08:38.680 --> 01:08:42.000
guess it's just curiosity. If it's just a physical being,

1079
01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:47.119
then that might be a good thing to do. I

1080
01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:50.840
might stay up late and sit like at a part

1081
01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:53.039
of the house and leave a light on and just

1082
01:08:53.079 --> 01:08:54.439
see if something shows up.

1083
01:08:55.199 --> 01:08:59.199
Oh absolutely, I mean, are you are you hoping that

1084
01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:01.840
you might have another sighting? When you go back to

1085
01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:02.359
that area.

1086
01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:07.960
I'm totally open to more sightings, but only within the

1087
01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:11.800
context that I'm safely somewhere where these where I'm not

1088
01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:14.520
within arm reach of these things.

1089
01:09:15.119 --> 01:09:16.760
Let's put it that way. You know.

1090
01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:20.039
I used to watch Jacques Cristou on TV as a kid,

1091
01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:23.319
and all the oceans and the sharks and everything, and

1092
01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:25.319
I always thought, oh, yeah, it'd be so fun to

1093
01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:29.640
go swimming with sharks and all this stuff. And then

1094
01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:32.600
I took a trip to Belize and went snorkeling for

1095
01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:38.239
a month and a black tipped brief shark swam right

1096
01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:41.520
up to me, like it was within four feet of me.

1097
01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:45.000
It probably weighed seven or eight hundred pounds, I don't know.

1098
01:09:46.359 --> 01:09:50.720
And the creature appeared so fast in the water next

1099
01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:52.920
to me because it was chasing a barracuda that came

1100
01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:56.760
over and parked itself to my right, and the shark

1101
01:09:56.840 --> 01:09:59.239
came up from my left, so it was obviously chasing

1102
01:09:59.239 --> 01:10:02.079
of barracuda. And the ark could have said, hey, you know,

1103
01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:06.359
there's lunch here, leave me alone, you know, But as

1104
01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:09.960
soon as the shark realized that I was there, it

1105
01:10:10.039 --> 01:10:14.520
immediately left. But just for that it was probably a

1106
01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:18.079
second from the time that the shark swam up was

1107
01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:22.479
completely parked and still and then it disappeared was maybe

1108
01:10:22.560 --> 01:10:24.000
one to two seconds of the most.

1109
01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:28.239
It was so powerful of a creature. It scared the.

1110
01:10:28.159 --> 01:10:30.279
Daylights out of me and I got out of water.

1111
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:35.279
And you know, it's funny. We fantasized, like, oh, yeah,

1112
01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:37.239
it'd be nice to see these creatures and everything, but

1113
01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:40.079
I know that I have no interest in actually being

1114
01:10:40.079 --> 01:10:42.680
in the presence of one of these creatures unless it's like,

1115
01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:46.800
you know, I wouldn't mind sitting down talking with one

1116
01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:51.359
if it's on the other side of maybe shatterproof glass,

1117
01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:55.279
like like, I don't want it with our arm reach

1118
01:10:56.119 --> 01:11:02.039
because you know, so my natural curiosity is yes, I'd

1119
01:11:02.079 --> 01:11:06.600
love to see one again. But from the same perspective

1120
01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:10.359
I was inside of a building. It was outside that

1121
01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:14.279
was a pretty safe distance. Having one, if that's what

1122
01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:17.199
it was near my tent was completely terrifying.

1123
01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:25.079
So did you report this to anyone after you had

1124
01:11:25.119 --> 01:11:25.640
this sighting?

1125
01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:27.760
Yeah?

1126
01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:33.279
I went online and reported maybe a year and a

1127
01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:35.720
half or two years ago. Once I came to realize

1128
01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:36.760
that's actually.

1129
01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:37.800
What I experienced.

1130
01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:41.279
I think it was on MoveOn's site.

1131
01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:44.079
I think it was a move on. You know, they

1132
01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:46.479
have a thing where you can just type in your experience,

1133
01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:47.239
and that's what I did.

1134
01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:49.800
I thought, well, I just need to add my experience

1135
01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:54.000
so that they can, you know, statistically, sort of follow

1136
01:11:54.600 --> 01:11:55.760
what people experience.

1137
01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:02.359
That's really interesting. Never thought to look into move on

1138
01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:04.880
for big foot reports but now.

1139
01:12:05.119 --> 01:12:07.039
Or not move on? Not moving? It was No, it

1140
01:12:07.079 --> 01:12:09.199
wasn't on. It was you know, it was a big

1141
01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:10.600
foot thing. Sorry for the confunient.

1142
01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:13.560
Oh was it like maybe the BFROO or big Foot

1143
01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:15.359
Mapping Project maybe something like that.

1144
01:12:16.720 --> 01:12:19.479
Yeah, it was probably one of those, gotcha. But one

1145
01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:24.520
other thing that I just thought of, and I have

1146
01:12:24.640 --> 01:12:28.239
no idea what this was. I just have no comprehension.

1147
01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:33.560
From my own experience with the paranormal and with animals,

1148
01:12:34.439 --> 01:12:37.520
I know it wasn't either of those to my to

1149
01:12:37.560 --> 01:12:41.600
my understanding, to my best guess. So after my parents

1150
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:46.079
moved away from Klamath Falls, when I had the experience

1151
01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:50.079
with the spreen, my mother saw the creature in the window.

1152
01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:55.920
We moved to Wrathrom, Idaho. It's about I think it's

1153
01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:59.079
about twenty or thirty minutes outside of Corlane, Idaho.

1154
01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:00.520
And.

1155
01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:05.479
In that house it was had a daylight basement with

1156
01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:07.680
the house was on a hill and in front of

1157
01:13:07.720 --> 01:13:10.920
it was a gravel road, and across from the gravel

1158
01:13:11.039 --> 01:13:14.000
road was a big pond, and the pond was surrounded

1159
01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:17.239
by cattails, and so you couldn't really get to the

1160
01:13:17.279 --> 01:13:19.439
pond because there's so much vegetation around it.

1161
01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:23.880
But I used to. I was a young team by then.

1162
01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:24.840
It was I think I.

1163
01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:29.960
Was thirteen or fourteen, and I used to go out

1164
01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:33.800
at night and walk down the gravel road about a

1165
01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:36.359
quarter mile down the road to see my friends at night.

1166
01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:41.279
Late at night, I'd just stay up late, and my

1167
01:13:41.319 --> 01:13:43.319
parents knew I came and went.

1168
01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:44.159
They didn't care.

1169
01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:48.640
But one night, after dinner, it was already dark, we

1170
01:13:48.680 --> 01:13:50.960
had already eaten dinner, and I.

1171
01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:51.399
Left the house.

1172
01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:54.720
I was going down to see my friend Shane. And

1173
01:13:55.640 --> 01:13:58.199
when I okay, so I came out the house. I

1174
01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:00.039
went around the house and then I went down on

1175
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:03.399
our driveway and there's a gravel road in the cross

1176
01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:08.119
there's the pond. I got to the gravel road.

1177
01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:16.119
And a voice spoke my birth name audibly to me.

1178
01:14:17.159 --> 01:14:22.359
Now, I changed my name in my late twenties, but

1179
01:14:22.680 --> 01:14:27.680
my birth name was Christian but nobody ever called me that.

1180
01:14:28.279 --> 01:14:30.800
My parents always just called me Chris. That was it.

1181
01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:34.279
They never once said my birth name that I can recall,

1182
01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:36.479
unless maybe they were mad at me or something.

1183
01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:43.520
I don't know, but this voice spoke my birth name

1184
01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:45.720
to me.

1185
01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:51.760
It was very loud, it was very clear. But what

1186
01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:55.039
was weird about it was that it was mechanical. It

1187
01:14:55.159 --> 01:15:02.119
sounded like like a robot almost. It was like crash John.

1188
01:15:03.359 --> 01:15:05.640
It was just it was something like that. It was

1189
01:15:05.720 --> 01:15:12.079
just really bizarre. I remember that two things happened. My

1190
01:15:12.199 --> 01:15:15.199
brain said, who called me by my birthname? The second

1191
01:15:15.239 --> 01:15:20.399
thing my brain said is run And I immediately ran

1192
01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:25.359
from the road up the driveway into the house. And

1193
01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:29.880
I remember just standing there shaking. I was physiologically again.

1194
01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:34.439
Triggered to where my whole body was in fight or flight.

1195
01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:37.119
And my whole.

1196
01:15:36.920 --> 01:15:39.840
Family was standing there, my parents, my brother, and sister,

1197
01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:46.439
and they said, they all said, even I recall my

1198
01:15:46.520 --> 01:15:49.439
brother being in Unison, and we never really got along,

1199
01:15:50.920 --> 01:15:53.439
so he would be more likely to disagree. But he

1200
01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:56.560
everybody was in Unison that I was as white as

1201
01:15:56.600 --> 01:15:58.880
a sheet. They said, it looked like it was as

1202
01:15:58.920 --> 01:16:02.520
white as a piece of paper. And I told them

1203
01:16:02.560 --> 01:16:07.319
what happened, but I never understood what that was. And

1204
01:16:07.359 --> 01:16:18.000
I have heard on some reports from different things, whether

1205
01:16:18.039 --> 01:16:23.560
it's paranormal UFOs or Bigfoot, that people have had something

1206
01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:28.720
say their name out loud or say something else out loud,

1207
01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:36.000
and it sounded mechanical. It was about six months after

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01:16:36.039 --> 01:16:40.159
this again my parents moved. They moved into a rental

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01:16:40.159 --> 01:16:44.359
house and in the middle of the night, I woke

1210
01:16:44.439 --> 01:16:51.600
up and I was surrounded in white light, and you know,

1211
01:16:51.680 --> 01:16:55.800
I'm a teenager. I'm like, what where the hell hex's

1212
01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:58.680
light coming from? You know, it was like somebody turned

1213
01:16:58.720 --> 01:17:05.800
on baseball stadium in my room. And as I was

1214
01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:09.840
just coming to consciousness, I was seeing the top shelf

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01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:13.399
of my closet and I was like, why do I

1216
01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:18.039
see the top shelf of my closet And I'm looking

1217
01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:20.920
at it. I'm looking at it, and then I realized

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01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:23.560
I'm looking at the top shelf of the closet through

1219
01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:26.760
my knees. I'm like, how the heck am I seeing

1220
01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:30.000
the top shelf of my closet through my knees, And

1221
01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:33.960
then I fully understood. I came to more consciousness, realizing

1222
01:17:34.039 --> 01:17:37.439
that I was in a lying position with my knees

1223
01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:41.680
up looking through my knees, and I was seeing the

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01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:44.279
top shelf of my closet and that my body was

1225
01:17:44.399 --> 01:17:47.079
actually in the air, about six feet in the air,

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01:17:47.760 --> 01:17:52.079
about four feet away from my bed. As soon as

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01:17:52.119 --> 01:17:56.079
that realization entered my consciousness, as soon as I thought, oh,

1228
01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:59.439
I'm in the air, I fell and I fell down.

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01:17:59.800 --> 01:18:03.560
I remember hitting the carpeted floor, it jarring my back

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01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:04.199
and my neck.

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01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:06.800
I immediately got up.

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01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:10.840
The light immediately left. As soon as I started falling,

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01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:20.800
the light left. And then I looked out my back

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01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:23.640
window of my bedroom. It had curtains up, and there

1235
01:18:23.680 --> 01:18:26.079
was nothing out in the backyard. I looked up at

1236
01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:28.399
the sky and there was nothing in the sky. I

1237
01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:31.960
rushed in to tell my parents, say, hey, did you

1238
01:18:31.960 --> 01:18:34.119
guys see that bright light? And I opened their door.

1239
01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:38.079
They were sound asleep. I said, well, I'll go see

1240
01:18:38.079 --> 01:18:40.399
if my sister is you know, saw it. And I

1241
01:18:40.439 --> 01:18:41.319
looked in her bedroom.

1242
01:18:41.319 --> 01:18:45.439
She was sound asleep. I don't think my brother was

1243
01:18:45.720 --> 01:18:47.840
living with us at that house. I think he moved out.

1244
01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:53.000
But so then I went out the slang glass door

1245
01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:55.520
out into the backyard and there was nothing there, just

1246
01:18:55.520 --> 01:18:57.880
the fence yard with my parents had rented the house.

1247
01:18:58.000 --> 01:19:03.359
All houses PRIORITY owned. There was nothing out in the backyard, nothing, nothing,

1248
01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:10.680
the sky, absolutely nothing. And I still don't really have

1249
01:19:10.720 --> 01:19:15.359
an explanation for that other than my research in because

1250
01:19:15.359 --> 01:19:16.239
I've studied near this.

1251
01:19:16.319 --> 01:19:18.680
Experience for twenty some years.

1252
01:19:19.039 --> 01:19:22.600
I did come across a experience where there was several

1253
01:19:22.720 --> 01:19:28.720
people that they were meditating and praying, and people reported

1254
01:19:28.720 --> 01:19:33.640
that this one woman floated off the floor and floated

1255
01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:36.159
in mid air until she became aware of it and

1256
01:19:36.159 --> 01:19:39.760
she followed the floor. That's the only experience I had

1257
01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:43.560
that I found that was similar to mine, So I

1258
01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:48.319
don't have any explanation for it. Like the weird voice

1259
01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:52.119
from the pond, which I've heard that I think from

1260
01:19:52.159 --> 01:19:55.760
some UFO accounts, and then that thing, I have no

1261
01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:56.960
idea what that was.

1262
01:19:57.840 --> 01:19:59.800
So very strange.

1263
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:05.079
It's such a such an incredible lifetime of things you've experienced,

1264
01:20:05.119 --> 01:20:07.560
and not just not just Bigfoot related, but you know

1265
01:20:07.760 --> 01:20:13.319
across the spectrum from hearing voices too, you know, seeing

1266
01:20:13.319 --> 01:20:18.960
apparitions to seeing Bigfoot, and I just it's it's incredible.

1267
01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:22.319
Thank you for for coming on to to share what

1268
01:20:22.399 --> 01:20:26.199
you've experienced. I think it's probably that's probably one of

1269
01:20:26.239 --> 01:20:32.279
the most best detailed descriptions someone's provided of of what

1270
01:20:32.319 --> 01:20:34.760
they saw when they had a face to face encounter

1271
01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:38.720
with a big foot. Thank you for that. Sure, I

1272
01:20:38.760 --> 01:20:42.359
want to make sure that you know we are we are.

1273
01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:47.199
It's crazy to think that we are already about at

1274
01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:50.199
the time, at the end of our time together today.

1275
01:20:50.239 --> 01:20:52.920
But uh, I want to make sure that you were

1276
01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:57.119
able to share everything that you had wanted to share,

1277
01:20:57.239 --> 01:20:59.880
and maybe if there is more, we would have to,

1278
01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:05.000
you know, do a follow up with you in some way.

1279
01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:05.439
For sure.

1280
01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:12.199
Yeah, No, I think I've shared everything, especially about bigfoot.

1281
01:21:14.119 --> 01:21:17.840
I think other things that experience are in another field,

1282
01:21:18.119 --> 01:21:19.760
like paranormal and.

1283
01:21:19.880 --> 01:21:20.840
UFOs and stuff.

1284
01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:27.199
But no, I just told I see that your podcast

1285
01:21:27.359 --> 01:21:37.720
serves serves us in several ways. It helps create more information,

1286
01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:42.560
like when it comes to documentation of near death studies ions,

1287
01:21:42.600 --> 01:21:46.359
the International Associated Near Death Studies has different markers, like

1288
01:21:46.359 --> 01:21:50.800
there's four fifty four or so commonality is amongst testimonies

1289
01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:53.840
and stuff that people experience, and I think if those

1290
01:21:53.840 --> 01:21:59.880
things are like, if we analyze people's experiences in those ways,

1291
01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:04.720
then we can sort of build information about these experiences

1292
01:22:04.720 --> 01:22:09.520
and the creatures and reach some sort of you know,

1293
01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:14.760
understanding generally what these creatures are about and maybe their

1294
01:22:14.880 --> 01:22:16.600
roles in life and our lives.

1295
01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:19.079
So it serves in that way.

1296
01:22:19.640 --> 01:22:22.520
But I think an additional thing your podcast does is

1297
01:22:22.560 --> 01:22:26.840
it helps anytime we think about something that is outside

1298
01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:32.520
of our conscious framework, then it challenges us or helps

1299
01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:36.000
us open up our consciousness about different things, and so

1300
01:22:37.239 --> 01:22:38.199
we can grow.

1301
01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:43.600
As individuals in understanding a little bit more about our environment.

1302
01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:48.840
And maybe about ourselves as well. So I think your

1303
01:22:48.880 --> 01:22:52.520
podcast is doing well to serve every who listens to

1304
01:22:52.560 --> 01:22:54.039
it in multiple ways.

1305
01:22:54.079 --> 01:22:58.239
So I appreciate that. Yeah, definitely, you know, keep me

1306
01:22:58.319 --> 01:23:01.760
in mind if anything does happen in future trips out

1307
01:23:01.800 --> 01:23:04.000
to the coast or anything like that. I'd love to

1308
01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:07.800
hear if there's anything that happens. But you know, Stephani

1309
01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:11.279
has been a great time chatting with you today. Thank

1310
01:23:11.319 --> 01:23:16.560
you for sharing what you experienced, and feel free to

1311
01:23:16.600 --> 01:23:19.960
reach out if you have any other questions or anything

1312
01:23:19.960 --> 01:23:21.119
you need to share in the future.

1313
01:23:21.119 --> 01:23:33.279
Times All right, thank you very Muchjremiah.

1314
01:23:33.479 --> 01:23:37.880
Yes, Hi, my name is Brian Gibbons, and my wife

1315
01:23:37.920 --> 01:23:47.880
and I have a story of a local big food

1316
01:23:48.039 --> 01:23:52.880
or something that just calls it some throwing rocks at us,

1317
01:23:52.880 --> 01:24:00.880
something bove charging us people seeing creature actually had an

1318
01:24:00.920 --> 01:24:03.720
old lady that lives in the area I'm talking about

1319
01:24:04.680 --> 01:24:11.159
had her double wide knocked off the foundation by one

1320
01:24:11.239 --> 01:24:17.920
of these creatures. And I recently came across the video

1321
01:24:19.039 --> 01:24:24.960
that was not supposed to be on wasn't supposed to

1322
01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:30.439
be leaked. However, some another it did get leaked. I

1323
01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:35.159
have the original video Withi's only about fifteen minutes from

1324
01:24:35.199 --> 01:24:39.119
my house. I would gladly send it to you. My

1325
01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:44.600
phone number is four two three three hundred eight zero

1326
01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:51.359
zero six. I do appreciate the Christian work that you're

1327
01:24:51.439 --> 01:24:57.399
doing along with your Bigfoot interviews. I do appreciate that

1328
01:24:57.680 --> 01:25:00.800
if you get a chance to call me and and

1329
01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:05.600
I will tell you about uh these some of these

1330
01:25:06.199 --> 01:25:08.960
stories that or some of these things that's happened to

1331
01:25:09.079 --> 01:25:12.079
us and some of these things that's happened to our friends.

1332
01:25:12.119 --> 01:25:16.920
Also give me a call, and also I'd like to

1333
01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:19.159
tell you about this video.

1334
01:25:20.640 --> 01:25:21.000
It's on.

1335
01:25:22.159 --> 01:25:27.039
I put it on my channel on Facebook now to

1336
01:25:27.159 --> 01:25:32.079
show that you know I did have it, and I

1337
01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:35.760
am going to do a size comparison in a week

1338
01:25:35.880 --> 01:25:38.039
or so. I just had a pacemaker put in, so

1339
01:25:38.119 --> 01:25:42.640
I'm kind of down for another week or two. But anyway,

1340
01:25:43.039 --> 01:25:47.319
give me a call. I will explain what's going on

1341
01:25:47.920 --> 01:25:51.039
and I will send you this video. I think you'll

1342
01:25:51.079 --> 01:25:57.079
find very interesting. And I assure you that the people

1343
01:25:57.319 --> 01:26:02.000
that took this video, I do not believe at all

1344
01:26:02.720 --> 01:26:08.359
that these people would hoax this. And matter of fact,

1345
01:26:08.640 --> 01:26:11.800
if you watch the video, believe you can see that

1346
01:26:11.880 --> 01:26:15.760
it is not a hoax. But anyway, I do appreciate

1347
01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:19.079
you and I appreciate your content. If you can't give

1348
01:26:19.079 --> 01:26:21.439
me a call back again, my numbers and my name

1349
01:26:21.640 --> 01:26:24.239
is Brian Gibbons. Thank you.

1350
01:26:26.279 --> 01:26:28.800
If you'd like to share a voicemail to be potentially

1351
01:26:28.800 --> 01:26:32.199
featured on the show as well, head over to Bigfoot

1352
01:26:32.239 --> 01:26:35.600
Society podcast dot com and hit the Share your Encounter button.

1353
01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:37.479
Just wanted to take a minute to say thank you

1354
01:26:37.520 --> 01:26:40.199
for listening to this episode of the Big Fort Society Podcast.

1355
01:26:40.319 --> 01:26:43.199
Stephan's story is one of those that lingers, not just

1356
01:26:43.239 --> 01:26:45.159
because of what he saw, but because of how many

1357
01:26:45.159 --> 01:26:47.359
times it came back, from the screams in the woods,

1358
01:26:47.439 --> 01:26:49.840
to the eyes in the window, to the voice that

1359
01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:53.319
knew his name. His story reminds us that sometimes it's

1360
01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:55.960
not us who find the unknown, it's the unknown that

1361
01:26:56.039 --> 01:26:59.720
finds us. If you enjoy this conversation, please subscribe to

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01:27:04.079 --> 01:27:08.359
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1365
01:27:08.479 --> 01:27:11.960
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01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:14.199
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01:27:14.239 --> 01:27:17.159
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01:27:17.319 --> 01:27:20.319
It helps us grow and get more stories like this

1369
01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:22.880
out there. And if you or someone you know has

1370
01:27:22.920 --> 01:27:25.600
had a bigfoot encounter, especially in places like Klamath Falls,

1371
01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:28.760
Long Beach or anywhere in the Pacific Northwest, I'd love

1372
01:27:28.800 --> 01:27:31.000
to hear from you, so please email me at Bigfoot

1373
01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:35.039
Society at gmail dot com. Thanks again for being part

1374
01:27:35.079 --> 01:27:37.199
of the Bigfoot Society, and until next time, keep your

1375
01:27:37.199 --> 01:27:39.800
eyes open, trust your gut, and never stop asking what

1376
01:27:39.920 --> 01:27:42.159
else might be out there, And see you in the woods.