Ripped Its Leg Off: Bigfoot Attack in the Woods | Washington

0:00 You're listening to Big FO Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Tonight's guest is one that didn't grow up looking for monsters, but monsters may have been looking for him. It started in the woods of Oregon when the scream ripped through the trees and sent two fearless dogs running seven miles in the wrong direction. There's many accounts shared in this episode, including one visual description, which is the most detailed I've ever heard in my years of doing this show. This is a story of Stefan and the creature who stared back on the shores of Washington. So stay with us, all right, I pick the Society. We got the privilege of talking to Stepan today. Stephan is an individual who's a listener of the podcast. Reached out about a lot of really interesting things that have been happening throughout his life, so we'll be talking about that today. Welcome to the show, Stefan.

0:52 How are you doing, sir? I'm doing well, Thank you. I am really interested to see where this interview will go. You've told me a little bit about what we're getting into, and yeah, I'd say let's go ahead and feel free to take us as far back as as you need to when things out of the ordinary started happening in your life, and and we'll kind of go through the journey together and then see where we end up. So, okay, So I came to your podcast because I began doing some research about bigfoot for myself, because I had several experiences that didn't make sense to me. When I was a kid, I experienced some interesting things, you know.

1:51 It's it's one of these situations where I have to ask, do you want to take the blue pill or the red pill. The blue pill is that these are I think the blue pillars. I think that the the experience is a bigfoot and so forth can be viewed through the lens of that they're a physical being and that they will act and respond according to natural law. The red pill is that there's a whole lot of other stuff going on any universe that we can't explain, and our attempt to really understand the subject of bigfoot may only come once.

2:38 We have a closer. Communication field open with an actual society of big bigfoots. I don't know how you say bigfoot or big feet, because it also seems that bigfoot are very different in different parts of the world. As far as what I understand, I. Don't know a whole lot about Bigfoot. Let me put it that way. I only know what I've learned from research and heard over your podcast and a couple others as an Assisian on the Internet, and it seems to be that that.

3:26 There's a lot of known. Markers or commonalities amongst things, but there's still also seems. To be a great deal of unknowns. And so I'm in the group along with you know, most everybody else, I would say, is that we. Don't really know. So when I was a kid, I started experiencing paranormal things. And some of this will sound very bizarre are but. I would wake in the middle of the night, floating out of my bed in mid air, and then I would follow the floor. I also experienced a paralysis in my body until I was probably twelve, where I'd be awake in my body, but I couldn't move my body.

4:26 I have studied since out of body experiences, and especially the work of the Monroe Institute, and come to learn that a great deal of these experiences are maybe not common, that they're known and understood. But the point of bringing this up is that from time the time I was a young kid, I was questioning exactly what was going on in the universe. And then when other things happened and I in my own experiences, it sort of propelled me into researching and understanding or at least trying to understand what was going on.

5:09 Later in my life, I had a dear death experience and had. Experiences from that that helped propel me forward to understanding a little more. But again I'm going to stipulate that I don't profess to know it all, and that especially comes to Bigfoot. So my first I've had, I believe, what are several run ins with this species or entity or beings at different different in different ways. And so the. First one when I was about I was about eleven and a half to twelve, because we were I know that because we were living outside the Klamathal, Oregon. We had moved out into a big valley in the woods.

6:07 We were only one of I believe two houses out there. My parents had built one house for their business partner and then one house that we ended up moving into. We had about one hundred acres. There was a valley that we sort of lived in that it was kind of an open space, but then the rest of it was deep woods, and then about maybe eight miles away there was a like somebody had developed a trailer court trailer park. Anyway, as a kid, I used to just. You know, we raised livestock and so forth with my parents hunted and fished and all that stuff we all did.

6:52 So being in the woods was, you know, just an everyday occurrence. I spent all my hours when I wasn't doing chores out in the woods. I was fascinated with. Birds, especially hawks and stellar jays, which of these dark blue jays that make a lot of noise. Through the forest. And I was always trying to follow these birds and get a closer look because as I'm an artist, and so I was always trying to get closer to these animals. So that I could draw them. Because when I went to. The library and checked out books on birds and stuff, they had pretty decent photographs, but I always wanted to get closer to sort of observe them in more detail.

7:39 So I had a natural curiosity in that way. And before we had moved. To clout Falls, we had lived in Death Valley, California, and I had spent hours and hours out of the desert looking at it. Animals. I used to catch all kinds of animals just to observe them and then release them. But anyway, when we were on this property in Climate Falls, Wyoming, it was routine that I just went out into the forest and I would sit, or I would. Or I would follow some animal as quietly as possible to see as if I could get close to it. And we had two dogs. And these two dogs were just you know, great dogs, but they also they were brothers and sisters. They also were seemingly not afraid really to get into anything. They remember they got into a porcupine, They got in a fight with a coyote that lasted for hours at night around our house. So they were pretty scrappy little dogs. And one particular day when this first experience happened, I just went for a walk out in the woods. And what that meant was that our house that was already in woods at the edge of this valley. I just walked directly behind our house and I just kept walking. There was no trails, there was nothing,

9:11 And I did this quite often, but this particular. Day, I walked a long ways. I remember I. Walked for a couple hours, which was you know, I wasn't going fast. I was stopping every once in a while looking for you know, chipmunks or birds or whatever. But I do. Remember it was probably about two hours into the hike, and my two dogs are you know, just you know, hanging along with me, sniffing everything. And I remember we saw a My dogs walked right past a nighthawk. I think they're called nighthawks. It's this bird that lives in the ground. It has a little nest in the ground, and because I was pretty observant, I just happened to see it and they just.

9:59 Walked right past. The day I didn't know it. Was there, and then it ended up flying out. But anyway, we were at about that juncture and something screamed extremely loud. I remember as a kid, I was pretty good at judging distances because I remember, you know, we'd go up berry picking or hunting or you know, other things out in the woods and you would hear noises or you know, because there's no traffic out there, you can kind of judge how far something was away. If my memory serves me, I would guess that the scream I heard was probably five hundred to eight hundred yards away from me. It wasn't close, but it wasn't that far away, but it was.

11:05 I knew it wasn't human, and I knew it wasn't well. At the time, I guessed that it was like a cougar or something. I had no idea, but I'd never heard a cat make that sort of a noise. It was a The best way I could sum it up is it. Was a scream and a growl and a yeah, probably a scream and a growl combined. And it was just really loud. I mean, it was so loud. And what I immediately felt after it happened was to get home.

11:46 That was it. I immediately thought, I need to get out of here. And when the scream happened. My dogs they were. Standing in front of me, one on pretty much either side, about three feet apart. When the scream happened, they looked at me, and then I just looked down at them, and my instinct was to go home, and I said go home to the dogs, and they just immediately headed back toward our house. Now I was eleven, twelve years old. I just assumed the dogs knew their way home, but evidently they didn't because we ended up at that. Trailer park you know about.

12:29 It was probably about five or six seven miles from our house, and it took us a long time to get back. I remember that because it was it was dark when we got to that trailer park, and I had to knock on somebody's door and ask them to call my parents. This is back when when you when you actually knew somebody's phone number because there was no cell phones. But so anyway, then my. Parents drove down and picked me up, and I, you know, I never really thought that much about that experience at the time. I just thought I just chalked it up and thought, well, it must have been some sort of I knew it wasn't a bear because I didn't think bears made screams. I knew that cougars or mountain lions would scream, but the volume of the scream was so loud.

13:20 I could tell that it was a great distance away, but it was so loud it was almost as if if it was a mountain lion. It was next to me. It was like within one hundred feet, but I knew it wasn't because I could tell the distance that it had traveled. So, you know, I'm sure I must have mentioned it to my parents. But anyway, and I used to sleep. Now, this was after we had been at that house for about a year and a half, maybe two years, I can't remember exactly, but it was soon after this, you know, within I'm trying to remember, but within a few months I think, or maybe a year, that my parents moved. I never thought of it as a kid, because we moved a lot.

14:16 We moved I think. Thirteen times by the time I was fifteen and moved out of my own But years later, this was in I think nineteen ninety nine or two thousand, I went down to visit. My mother, who was living in another. State, and during that visit, I don't remember how it came up. I think she brought it up because I wouldn't have brought. It up because Bigfoot wasn't even in my sort of spectrum of thinking. I literally haven't really thought about Bigfoot much my whole life until probably the last two years.

14:59 But she brought up the fact that in that house one night, she peered into one of one of our bedrooms. I was one of two other siblings, so there was three of us. She peered into one of our bedrooms, probably just to check on us, to see if we were asleep or whatever. And she said that she saw and she was trembling when she told me this. And this is. Twenty years twenty five years after the fact.

15:41 And this is a woman who. Hunted and fished her entire life. She has had all kinds of stories about getting chased up trees by moose. And I mean all kinds of stuff. These were farmers or ranchers that's born and bred, did me. That's for generations. So she wasn't a woman who was afraid of really much of anything. I don't believe as far as the animal world. And she said she looked in to peer in the bedroom and when she's that house was a one story concrete block house with two fireplaces.

16:22 One at each end. The bedrooms were on one side of the house for us kids in a line, and then on the other side of the house was their bedroom and a living room. And when she said she saw a black creature looking in the window, and it had reddish eyes, and she said that its whole head took up the entire window. And I remember the windows in our bedrooms. They were probably I'm you know this isn't exact, but I do have a photo actually at my place. Yeah, I was just looking through some photos the other day. I think I have a photo of.

17:09 One of the windows. But I think the windows were probably twenty four by thirty just small windows whatever, would fit in easily with a concrete block construction. But she said she could tell that the creature was bent down and looking in by the way its head was positioned and talked a little bit. And those windows would be probably at six feet height. So if it was. Bending down and looking in, and I remember the eaves of the house were probably twenty four inches and the ceiling height ver was eight I believe I did construction, so I kind of remember some basic things. So if it was bending down looking in the window, I would presume it was at least taller than.

18:01 Six feet, potentially seven feet or who knows how much taller. I there's no way for me to know, because I didn't see it. But as she told me this, and this was in the daylight, I was there with my ex we were just having general conversation. But as soon as she started talking about this memory, she was visibly shaken. And this was like twenty five years later, So again I didn't think that much about it at the time, other than the fact, well she attributed to being a demon because she's very religious Christian and that's kind of her beliefs.

18:43 If it isn't a known creature, then. It must be a devil. So anyway, she said it was very hairy, it was black, It's had a huge head that filled basically the window. It was bent down, obviously having to. Look in, you know. So I'm trying to give you as much information because I know for your interviews you go back and question people ask about things, so trying to give you detail. She didn't mention that she saw its teeth or anything else. She just mentioned that it looked very evil, which to me I could perceive that maybe it just had a straight look on its face, like because other people described the Bigfoot to have some of them don't have any expression, so they look very serious. And when people look serious, people think they're mad, but they potentially aren't.

19:39 They just just don't have any expression on their face. So it's hard to say. But anyway, my family ended up moving after that. Not long after that, and it was only in the last couple of years I've been thinking about that. I thought, I wonder if that's. Why they moved, because she was so physic visibly shaken twenty twenty five years later, it must have really shaken her up. Then there was another incident I remember at that same house. My brother came in from hunting one time. He was out hunting deer, and he said a deer ran past him and one of its hind legs was completely detached and only hanging by the skin, and then.

20:32 He had tried to pursue it. It was running on three legs. He tried to pursue it and to excuse me harvest it because it was obviously injured, but he couldn't find it. At least I don't remember that he found it, But now looking back, I think that's highly unusual. I remember or that he thought that a hunter might have shot it in the back leg and then the leg was slopping. But knowing anatomy, at least, my best guess is that doesn't really sound correct, because he said its leg was actually flopping over its back as it was hopping, and that sounds more like to me. Maybe something grabbed it and wrenched on it so hard, you know, maybe it was a big but who knows.

21:30 We'll never know. So I'm trying to think that there was. Anything else from that house. I don't think so. I think that was it. So I heard the scream, my mother saw something, and then we moved, so whatever all that means. But I do remember. That that scream was something that made me physically just want to leave. And again, of course, if you heard a cougar or a bear, you do the same. I did come face to face with a bear one time, and my immediate response was to run. It was literally three feet in front of me. I had gone down into a push up position to drink out of a creek that was surrounded, that was filled with reeds like cattails and stuff. I was with my grandparents looking at a piece of property and I just went down a push up position. I was a young team probably about two years after this, and was sucking up the water and I heard something lapping the water that started directly after I started.

22:44 And I looked up when I was looking. Directly in the eyes of a black bear, and its eyes got bigger. You could see the whites of its eyes, and obviously Mike did the same. I ran one direction and it ran the other. So the second thing that I the next thing I experienced was in about two thousand, I went camping when I was married. And my accent. I went camping outside of Bend. I think it was outside of Bend, Oregon. Yeah, it was outside of Bend, Oregon, and we just we were visiting some relatives of hers.

23:29 And we had decided to camp in. A tent overnight. And it was a very dry area. There were trees around, but not as like thickly packed as like you have around Portland, Oregon or climate falls, but they were, you know, there was a lot of trees. We were up on sort of a some sort of a rise of a hill or a bluff, if you will, because when we looked out the tent, the landscape went down and then you could see for a while. And in the middle of the night when we were camping, I woke up, which I usually don't, especially at that age.

24:11 Now I'm sixty. So I do wake up more often than I used to. But at that age, this is twenty five years ago, I would I normally would just sleep completely through the night. Nothing wake me up. My parents used to have us saying that, you know, don't try to talk to our youngest before they've had breakfast, because I would just be sort of a zombie until I get some food in me. So I would just sleep through the night. But anyway, I woke up in the middle of the night inside the tent, and the tent was filled with the worst stench and putrid smell.

24:52 I mean, it just smelled like a dead body to me, like if. You come upon like a dead cow. Or or coyoteer, even a snake when it's dead, the stinks. It was just the most putrid smell, and it was just filling the tent. And when I woke up, I remember propping myself up on my elbow, and my elbow was. Next to and my sleeping bag was next to. Where the tent top came down to meet the ground where it attaches to the bottom of the tent. So there's a little corner there, you know, all the way around the tent, and so my arm was on the sleeping dig next to the bottom of the tent.

25:41 And besides this, once. I was like, I mean, I was nearly gagging on the smell. I think I was possibly gagging a smell just like ugh, you know, I didn't say anything, though, I heard something outside the tent, and it sounded the best description I could think as it sounded like almost as if somebody had a broom with care on it or fur or something. Soft like that. It wasn't a stiff. Bristle straw sound like that type of a broom. It was kind of like somebody had a like a softer. Textured broom.

26:23 And it was just kind of being moved around next to the tent. And then I could see that the wall of the tent not far from my elbow was moving, and I just reflectively drew my elbow in tighter to my torso. And this thing moved like right, so if I would have like cut a hole in the tent and looked at it would have been. Right there, inches from me. And it paused near my elbow, like it paused there and then it and then it continued around sort of the back of me. So I heard it. It traveled probably five or six feet, because I heard it a little distance away, like perhaps it was at the front of the tent, maybe not even that far three or four feet.

27:24 Because I woke up, I smelled the. Off the smell I heard the sound, it came closer, it got really close to me, and then it went just behind me, and then I heard it get softer and softer, I presume, farther and farther away from me, and then the smell gradually went away. The thing that significantly stands out as a marker for me in the whole experience, and I've have witnessed this and people who have talked on your show and other things, is that people have this fear that enters their entire physiological being.

28:15 So your whole body is on alert, you're shaking, You basically fear for your life. It's a fight and flight response. And when I woke up, I was already in that. So even before I consciously was aware that maybe there was something outside the tent, I already had that physiological response. And when I hear other people talk about this physiological response, because I've spent a great deal of my life trying to understand our consciousness and unconscious mind and how it operates, and our being as souls, because we are definitely more than our body, because I've experienced being out of my body.

29:07 My point is. That when this fear or this physiological action happens, in the body where you actually are in terror. We could label it as physiological terror. It's a fighting flight response to get. Out of there. To me, to my understanding is that it's from our unconscious, so or unconscious as I've come to understand, is a wake twenty four hours a day, seven days a week. It never sleeps. That's why a person can be put under hypnosis and they can recall all kinds of details from every license plate they saw, you know, on their drive home, to memories from you know, years ago. They can remember everything because their unconscious records everything, and are consciousness just you know, it's only tracking.

29:57 It's so much stuff. So I believe that it was an unconscious response that woke me up. My unconscious was aware of this creature, whatever it was, that it was an imminent threat or potential threat, because it was more physically or possibly other powerful than myself as a. Human being, and it woke me up. And then I had that experience. One other experience that I had, well, I've had it more than twice. I've had actually sender think about it.

30:39 I've had it multiple times. That was like this. So I went to Yosemite. This was about four years ago with my Yeah, they were a teenager at that time. They're still while they're still teenager. But we went to Yosemite for a week. We camped about ten minutes from the entrance to the Yosemite. It was a nice close place. To hang out and everything went fine that We had a great time. We skateboarded around the whole place. It was just fantastic. But we did take a trail up above the big lodge there and we didn't go far into nature. But when we were on that trail and it was getting close to being dark, so the sun was going down, we were losing light. We were on that trail, my physiological body it just lit up like there was this intense fear and the fight or flight.

31:50 You know. We were just on a trail. I could we could still see the buildings. If we ran hard, we could get to those buildings in fairly quick order. But my youngster was just having fun, you know, doing whatever, and we were joking around. But this physiological change happened in my body. And I had the intense feeling. I don't know whether it was too or not, but I had this intense feeling that I was being observed and I was also being tracked, and so I think our unconscious knows like if what's transpiring in the environment, while our conscience may not be fully aware. But because I was physiologically triggered by something, and then the information I was receiving was that I was being watched and tracked, made me think that there is something actually watching me and tracking me.

32:58 And I kept looking behind us, and at some point, at one point, I just started walking backwards, even though we were on a rocky trail. I started walking. Backwards in case there was like a cougar or something that was tracking us and following us, because I know that they liked the stock from behind. And but I never saw anything. We and I expedited us, leaving quickly. I said, hey, why don't we. You know, trot down to the the There was like some buildings and stuff, and there was a guft store. I said, why don't we just go down there and go to the gift store. And. So so we did. But that was the same feeling and another time, well, I had the family several times.

33:45 And another location though, was where. I actually saw a creature, and that was in Long Beach, Washington, but before, well mostly after and that may be tied into my own. Psychology. Uh give, I'm just say that because you know, once you have an experience, you may you know, make stuff up in your head. Right, So but I did have that said, I did have experiences after I saw that creature when because I worked up there for about a year and a half during COVID, and sometimes I would be, you know, sitting up at night or going to bed, and I would have an intent, that same intense feeling like I needed to get the heck out of there because something's watching me. And and it was. It wasn't very often, but when it came on, it was it was like it was very thick and intense.

34:47 It's the only way I could say it. So, you know, it could be said, well, because you had that experience, maybe you have a fear of an unknown creature, so then you have these feelings once in a while based on your mood, and I could say, yeah, that could be right. Maybe there was absolutely nothing there. I could totally go along with that because without facts, without evidence, I'm just going to presume that it's an unknown. So I kind of look at things as very practical, but I also have to include things that I may not have control of or understanding of.

35:27 I'll give you an example. So I was in a couple auto accidents that put me in bed for three years. And this was about thirty years ago before I had a near death experience. And one day I shared a daylight basement was my landlady who was a retired teacher, and one day the daylight basement, so her laundry was in the basement, but was on the other side of a wall, so I had to go through a door to go to the laundry. So I would go do my laundry. So one day I open up the door to go into the laundry and I saw a ghost sitting on the steps to go up to her main house. And I looked directly at the image that faded really fast, and I asked the question, who are you? When I asked that question, I heard a loud noise in my apartment just on the other side of my wall. When I asked the question, immediately in my mind I heard the name Kenneth, So I thought okay, and I asked, I asked, what do you want? And it said turn out the lights. This is not very odd, right, And weeks before this, I had had something knocking on the door several.

36:55 Times and I'd get up and look out the door and nobody was there. So anyway, I just said okay, and so I just did my laundry. When I went back into my side of the apartment, wondering what the loud noise was, I saw that all my books that had been stacked on a shelf next to the wall had flown across the room, hit the other wall, and drop down to the floor. And then I thought about what that apparition the ghost wanted for me, and that was to turn out the lights. And I thought, okay, I was on reconnaissance.

37:36 I was. I ended up having to go on the bed rest soon after that. So anyway, because I was so had all these symptoms and stuff, I would stay up late watching movies and I would fall asleep and I would leave the lights on, and evidently the ghost wanted me to turn out the lights. I was like, why does this ghost want me to turn out the lights. About two weeks later, my landlady came down. She was doing laundry, so I went out there and I talked to her and stuff, and she tells me, she says, and she had never talked about her personal stuff. She was a very intravertied woman, very nice anyway, So she just while I was talking to her, she happened to say, Hey, you know, there's stuff in that closet over there, and if is there anything there you want, you can have it.

38:26 And I thought, well, I'm not going to go through her personal stuff, you. Know, but about I don't know, a few days later, I thought, well, I had nothing to do as I thought, well, I'll just go through there. Maybe there's some, you know, something I could use, you know. So I went through the closet and I was looking. There wasn't that much stuff in there. But at the very back of the closet, in the corner was something that looked metal and I pulled it out and. It was a It was a sword. It was a incredibly beautiful military sword that had engraving and on the blade as I pulled it out of the it said Kenneth and it had her last name, So.

39:07 It was about I don't know. Sometime after that, not too long though, I asked her because obviously her husband's name was Kenneth, and this ghost. Told me its name was Kenneth and I uh, I think. I asked her, oh, how long were you and your husband married? And she shared, and she said that he died in Mount Everest, climbing out in Mount Everest. And so I saw the continuity between. What the ghost said the verification of the name.

39:48 He gave me an a sword, and then she told me he tried a tragic death, probably thinking of her when he passed. And my own experience in perspective is that when we pass away, we're simply into a fourth dimension. At the next dimension, so we have access to this one, just like you and I can tell the difference between a line and a dot. But if we were or a point, sorry, if we were only a point, we would never comprehend a line. Also, if we were aligned. We wouldn't comprehend something three dimensional like a cube, because it wouldn't be in our consciousness. But because we are three dimensional, we can perceive both a.

40:32 Point and a line. We can see in lower dimensions and understand it, but we can't vice versa. We can't understand the fourth dimension because we don't exist there. However, when you pass over, you are in another dimension and can perceive everything here, and so some beings people souls choose to be attached to this dimension and want to interact with it. And that's exactly at least my understanding is what he did. Wanted to get my attention. He moved the books off my shelf, he presented himself, and then you know, I immediately asked him a question what he want. So it was my general understanding that he wanted me to use less electricity because my electricity was included in my rent, which wasn't much.

41:25 And it was after that I decided, okay, I'm going. To turn out the lights to make sure the TV's off a certain time. I never had a knock on the door again. I never had any visitation from him again. Nothing. And I lived there another like three years. So there are things that we that I don't understand. So I can't really say that coming back to that that gut feeling of fear, there may be that when I was at the beach several times when I had that feeling that something was watching me, Maybe something was, maybe wasn't.

42:06 I don't know, but. So I'm trying to think in chronological order. So I heard the scream and climate falls, I went camping and banned and smelled something, and at the time, I didn't think of. A big foot. It just wasn't in my spectrum. I you know, my parents were religious. We weren't allowed to watch scary movies, so I never watched any bigfoot movies. I mean, I've heard a big foot. I saw the stickers and stuff when I was a kid and thought it was fun, but I never thought anything of it. So when I smelled something awful in my tent the next day, I just thought, well, maybe it was a badger, you know. And I remember I followed the followed the outside the tent. I exited tent the next morning, excuse me. And the ground was hard and dry, but there was it looked like somebody took a broom or piece of fabric or something and had sort of, you know, walked over the ground with it, like they had sort of broomed the ground. And it was distinct though I could tell that it was that it was sort of a path because it came that effect on the ground was near the front of the tent,

43:36 and then there was bushes and stuff. It came around where the thing where I sensed it and heard it and smelt it. Though the smell was in the whole tent. There was no point of where the smell came from. It was just everywhere. And then I saw that those effects on the ground continued, and then it went down sort of a slight embankment. I heel slightly, maybe twenty feet, and then then they just stopped. So I didn't see any footprints or anything. But I was trying to rationalize this, thinking what animal lives exist close to the ground, might stink awful and be curious around people's tent. I thought, well, I've never really seen a badger in real life, so I thought, well, maybe it was a badger. You know, maybe because badgers, I think are dirty animals and they live in the ground and eat dead things as well as live things, and kind of like possum smell.

44:37 But I thought, well, maybe it was a badger. You know, the furs close to the ground, they sort of you know, they probably make some sort of brushing sound when they move across the ground because they have some short legs. So I just chalked it up as that. It still doesn't explain the fear, however, and my physiological action, because I was raised around animals, investigated animals followed animals. I didn't really have it anate fear of badgers or still anything. I mean, I guess we all do to some degree. Though we hear something or about something in the middle of the night, we might farewell. Is that a bear?

45:19 And that would definitely scare me. So anyway, so there was the sound of the call and climate falls and my mother seeing it in the window, then the tent camping and the smell, and then we fast forward another twenty years till about two years ago, I was working outside of Long Beach, Washington. I'd worked there for about a year and a half, but it. Was the first it was like the first couple of weeks that I had gone up there. I would go up there for a week and then come back for a week. And I went up there and brought my youngster and they were about I think about eight or nine at the time, and we were staying in this beach house. It's a fairly large house. On one end it forms an L and on one end there's two stories, and where we were.

46:18 Going to sleep and slept was on the second. Floor of that main house. So we came in the house. We came in in the evening when it was dark, got out of the car, went into the house. We went directly upstairs to that big open room where there was several beds, because they have guests and stuff there, and for whatever reason, I have no idea why. But as soon as I. Went up and I put our little luggage on the bed and my youngsters like bouncing around off the walls, happy to be out of the car, I looked out the window. There was a small window that was it's maybe thirty inches wide and three feet tall. I looked out the window, and when I looked out the window, I looked down.

47:10 And when I looked out the window and down the light. We'd also turned on the lights in the kitchen just as we had come in. Iess my habit will turned lights on. We'd turned on the lights headed up the stairs. When I looked down the window, the light through the kitchen windows was casting a broad amount of light across over. The ground next to the house. And next to the house there's there's one tree and then there's just a bunch of tall grass. And this house is set right on the coast. I mean, you can walk that's from probably five hundred yards to the beach. You have to go over some sand dunes. But so when I looked out, that light was cascading light for least fifty sixty feet, and then it must have been light enough out because I could easily see the grass as it went across the small field of land maybe five hundred feet or eight hundred feet, and then there was forest. And when I looked out and down, I immediately saw a creature. And the creature was standing on two feet. It was looking in the kitchen window. But when I entered the space of the window looking out, I cast a shadow in the light, and it immediately

48:46 saw the change in light. So I looked out I saw it. Its head was headed toward the window, looking in the window, peering in, and when it saw the change in light, I immediately looked directly up at me, and it didn't look like up at the window, like oh, what's going on. It went from looking in the window to looking at me directly in the eye, and it held eyes with me until it turned its head and walked away. The entire time, it never didn't hold eye contact with me. It looked directly in my eyes, and it held my eye contact for probably the three to four seconds it took for it to turn and begin walking down through the grass, and then it exited into the forest. So I'll describe this creature as best as I can. So I'm six foot. If I would have been standing next to it, I know it would have been at least if it would have been standing perfectly upright, let's put it that way, it probably would have been seven feet. But it was hunched over at about a fifteen degree angle. Its legs were short for its height,

50:17 and its arms were long for its height. Its arms hung down past its waist, and it had hands. It had no protruding air ears like a bear. It was dark gray. Its hair was probably four to six inches long, and it seemed like oily sort of especially around its face and its head. Its hair just seemed matted and dirty. Its eyes were fairly good size and probably the size of a quarter.

51:00 Its nose. It did not have a protruding muzzle. These are things that I've gone through in my head a million times since this occurrence. Because I thought at first, Oh, that's a bear, and I immediately after it lost eye contact with me, I came away from the window and. Told my youngster, Hey, there's a bear. Out there, and then we both looked and we could both watch it as it walked away and entered the forest. But since then and I think, Yeah, my friends that I was working for were home and I went downstairs and said, hey, there was a bear outside looking in the window. And I still did not think about that.

51:42 It wasn't a bear. I just thought, oh, it must be a bear, you know, because I hadn't seen a bear since I was like twelve years old, and you know, I didn't think about bigfoot, but then since I have since then after shortly after that, a big I saw a mother bear and three cubs right in front of me of my car in my car, and I stopped the car and I actually watched them for about ten minutes, and I thought to myself, that is not what I saw outside that window. And then it was probably six months after that, a big male bear walked in front of my car across the road. This bear just owned the territory. I mean, he never hesitated to walk onto the road. He took his time crossing. It went down the other side, and I just sat there in my car and watched the whole thing.

52:36 It was huge. That was not the creature I saw, for some very specific physiological reasons the difference. So this creature looked when it was looking me in the eye. There was also a shift in its food. And I say that because. There was some sort of subtle physiological change in its face as soon as it saw me. It went from looking in the window to looking at me. And then its face seemed to be sort of like chagrined or disappointed, or like a brother. You know, never mind, like somebody saw what I was doing. Okay, I'm going back to the woods.

53:29 You know. It was just sort of this look, the shift of mood, as if some sort of mood had changed within it. That was my perception. And so it had no protruding ears like a bear. A bear's ears just stick out. I mean, they're like they're so funny. They it's like a cartoon, like Mickey Mouse or something. A bear has a very pronounced muzzle like a dog. This creature did not have that. Its face was. More flat, and its nose was it wasn't large. I know from your podcast you always asked this question, did it look more like a human or more like an ape?

54:15 And I would say it was somewhere in between. I couldn't call it a human, that's for sure. And it definitely didn't look like an ape, but it was something altogether in itself different. Its mouth was just a just a slit, you know, surrounded by hair. I didn't see any teeth. When it walked away, or when it turned its head and walked away, it seemed to have a different Its head had a different shape than our head. So I can't remember it the term, you know, the way apes are apes heads are shaped, they have that ridge or something.

55:07 But from the front, its head just looked round like its hair was matted, and it had less hair around its like around its nose and mouth and eyes, and it had white like it almost looked like it was old. It had sort of wrinkles around its eyes. And. Like it had had a hard day. I mean, this creature looked. Like it had a rough life, like you know, and maybe me interrupting its small entertainment of watching humans, you know, shifted its mood. I don't know, but it looked like it was like it was old. To me.

55:52 That was my first initial reaction when I saw it. Even when I saw it thought it was bear. Thinking it was a bear, I thought, that's a really old bear, like man, that's an old bear. I've never seen an old bear. And and it's it's I remember it's it's hands, Which is so funny. When you see something unusual. You go like what, You don't really comprehend it till like later. The paranormal stuff. Paranormal stuff I get right away because I've had that stuff happen my whole life. I got stories go on and on about that. But so when I when I experienced something paranormal, like oh, yeah, there you go. There it goes again, there's something paranormal.

56:37 I didn't even think much about it. But seeing an odd creature at the time, it's sort of puts you in this At least it did me. It put me in a conscious state of like what like like, I didn't even comprehend what I was viewing. But because the thing had hands, and I didn't even think about it at the time. Bears don't have hands. They have pause, and they have claws are really obvious, and their shoulders and chests and everything shaped different. A distinctive thing that stood out even at the time when I saw this creature was man, that bear has massive deltoids. This thing had its shoulders were enormous. It's like a weightlifter that went to the gym, but the only thing he did was lift do deltoid exercises for like ten years. Like his deltoids were much bigger than in mass than his biceps, triceps, forearms, even his chest muscles. I mean, he was fairly slender, this creature was, but his deltoids were big. I remember them just standing out.

57:54 I'm assuming it was a male. I didn't see any chests, seemed more like a man's, like flat, though it was covered with hair. And I remember noticing that its legs were short, and that's probably what led me to the bear. Thing is bear's legs are short, their back legs. But you know, in the moment, I didn't even look at the feet. I don't remember what its feet looked like, but I remember that it did something. Another thing very unusual was that a bear, if it sees you, it might glance at you and then it'll just do something different if it's going to do something different, Like if you're at a stream and a bear's.

58:44 Looking at the water and you walk up, it'll look. At you and it'll immediately just leave, or it'll immediately come towards you. It'll do something immediately, but it won't. Keep icon contact generally at in general that it moves immediately. And a bear has a neck, you know, their neck will move. So when they are standing, if they're going to turn, they usually go down onto all fours and then they'll turn and walk away. I guess they will turn, but it seems uncomfortable for a bear if they're on their back feet to turn away from you. On their back feet, they'll usually go down and then turn.

59:28 That's you know, my you know, in my opinion. But this creature when it saw me, so it turned, it looked me directly in the eye, and then it's whole torso and lower body just shifted and turned in unison directly toward me and away from me. Because when I first saw it, I saw it sort of from the It was about a three quod arter view, so I could see it's the front of its body, but it was turned mostly toward the window. And then it turned toward me and looked at me, so then it was facing me, but its whole body moved and then it turned in one motion.

1:00:24 And then it. And it stayed hunched over the whole time, and then it started walking away on its back feet, but it did hunch down slightly lower as it was doing that, But the ground does go down a little bit there. And that's when I broke away, told my youngster, Hey, there's a bear outside, and then we both came to the window. By that time, it was had moved probably twenty feet fifteen twenty feet away through this tall It was about three feet high, and the grass was hitting at about its waist. And now, when a bear is down on all fours, first of all, a bear will walk away on our folds.

1:01:14 It's not gonna walk away on two feet. This creature was still on his two feet. And when it was walking away, so what I saw was the. Back of its shoulders and its head, just like you would see a human as if they were hunched over at about a fifteen degree angle, you would see this flatness of their back and then it would curve down to their waist and then you'd see the back. Of their head. Whereas a bear, if it's standing on all fours, a bear's back is sort of a peak shaped, you know, it comes to that peak where their shoulders meet, and then you see the back of their head, which seems very large as they're walking away and their ears are sticking out. This, however, was the exact shape of a man, the shape of the shoulders. Of course, the shoulders were bigger, but it was but the shape of the head. And during the shifting of moving toward me, around and then as it exited, it didn't really move its neck a whole lot. There was probably some subtle movement in its neck, but it seemed to move its whole body in sort of a uniform sequence, and there were made any sounds.

1:02:41 It never looked back. It just continued walking through the tall grass, and then it just disappeared into the forest. Do you remember if the eyes had any whites to them at all? No, there was no whites to the eyes. They seemed slightly recessed, and there was a lot of sort of wrinkling around them. That's why I think it was. My perception was that this was something old, because at the time I remember thinking, gosh, that's a really old bear. I've never seen an old bear, because usually when you see bears, they're you know, they're vibrant, they're young, they're even adult bears look young, you know. But this thing just seemed old, like, you know, I only got a few a few months left, and you know, I'm trying to entertain.

1:03:31 Myself here and you interrupted me, you know, left. So it just seemed old. And the things that make me think that is the way its eyes were kind of recessed and aged looking the wrinkles, and its skin on its face seemed taunt It was thin. It wasn't like you wouldn't call it a robust animal. Of course, chimpanzees fairly emaciated most of the time, but those things are strong, so that could be an illusion. But but it didn't seem vibrant. It didn't seem like it was in.

1:04:12 Its youth, let's put it that way, you know. And then it was a combination of that and the gray color of the fur that make made me think, especially around the face because it was it turned really light gray and some places kind of white. It made me think it was old. So wow, that's that that must have been. Well, I guess I'll ask was how did that affect you after you had that actual face to face and you were able to get a really really good look at what you encountered. Well, the thing is is at the time, I just thought, oh.

1:04:53 It must have been an old bear, you know, but it was. It was later I started thinking about, like, that's not a bear because I had four bears total walking basically in front of me when I was driving my car. So I had to literally stop my car and watch these black bears walk in front of me. And I looked at those black bears, and then I thought about what I saw, and I thought that was not a bear. You know. So and then and then I started investigating what that what that could have been. So then I started looking at a bigfoot podcasts and. Listening to stuff.

1:05:33 And then I started going back and writing down and drawing out what I saw, and I thought, there's no way that was a bear. There's too many physical markers that would make it not a bear. There's a shape of its shoulders as it walked away, the way that it turned, the absence of ears protruing out, the lack of a snout, the fact that it had hands, which which is weird. It's funny, like people was there's a car accident. People remember different things and some things they don't even remember. It's like seeing one of these creatures because it's so outside of norm. I just didn't even think about it, like the fact that it had hands, until later, I'm like, the thing had hands. The thing I can remember the size of its hands were huge, and I remember the thumb, like its thumb being there, and it was higher. It's like it's palm was longer than ours. It's like if you look at your hand and you stretch your palm out, the palm second of your hand maybe twenty five maybe fifteen to twenty five percent more. It was shaped like that, so it was like a longer hand. That's the only way I could describe it. And it's hand like if you put our hand up to our face, it can cover so much of our face. I think if the creature would have put its hand on its face, its fingers probably would

1:07:04 have easily, you know, reached up high onto its forehead. And it had very large hands and fingers. So it's so interesting. I mean, that whole area is really really well I mean it's really well known for a lot of bigfoot stuff, and I mean there's stuff that I've taken over the years from that I would say region. Definitely, there is so much. It's I'm not surprised at all that you had that kind of sighting in that area of Washington. Yeah, and just a few years ago. Wow, Yeah, that was I guess it was twenty twenty to twenty twenty two. And I'm going back up there here actually this week, so I think I might spend some time. One of your listeners, I can't remember who it was, but they said that a known creature that had been visiting their house.

1:08:08 What they did is they went they put a light on I think it was in their bathroom or some other bedroom. And then what they would do, they'd sit at the opposite side of the house and they would look for eye shine for the creature to come near that window that had the light on, and then they could see the eye shine and that would let them know. Where the creature was. I was thinking that, you know, these beings, these creatures like to watch people, which is just you know, I guess it's just curiosity. If it's just a physical being, then that might be a good thing to do. I might stay up late and sit like at a part of the house and leave a light on and just see if something shows up.

1:08:55 Oh absolutely, I mean, are you are you hoping that you might have another sighting? When you go back to that area. I'm totally open to more sightings, but only within the context that I'm safely somewhere where these where I'm not within arm reach of these things. Let's put it that way. You know. I used to watch Jacques Cristou on TV as a kid, and all the oceans and the sharks and everything, and I always thought, oh, yeah, it'd be so fun to go swimming with sharks and all this stuff. And then I took a trip to Belize and went snorkeling for a month and a black tipped brief shark swam right up to me, like it was within four feet of me.

1:09:41 It probably weighed seven or eight hundred pounds, I don't know. And the creature appeared so fast in the water next to me because it was chasing a barracuda that came over and parked itself to my right, and the shark came up from my left, so it was obviously chasing of barracuda. And the ark could have said, hey, you know, there's lunch here, leave me alone, you know, But as soon as the shark realized that I was there, it immediately left. But just for that it was probably a second from the time that the shark swam up was completely parked and still and then it disappeared was maybe one to two seconds of the most.

1:10:24 It was so powerful of a creature. It scared the. Daylights out of me and I got out of water. And you know, it's funny. We fantasized, like, oh, yeah, it'd be nice to see these creatures and everything, but I know that I have no interest in actually being in the presence of one of these creatures unless it's like, you know, I wouldn't mind sitting down talking with one if it's on the other side of maybe shatterproof glass, like like, I don't want it with our arm reach because you know, so my natural curiosity is yes, I'd love to see one again. But from the same perspective I was inside of a building. It was outside that was a pretty safe distance. Having one, if that's what it was near my tent was completely terrifying.

1:11:17 So did you report this to anyone after you had this sighting? Yeah? I went online and reported maybe a year and a half or two years ago. Once I came to realize that's actually. What I experienced. I think it was on MoveOn's site. I think it was a move on. You know, they have a thing where you can just type in your experience, and that's what I did. I thought, well, I just need to add my experience so that they can, you know, statistically, sort of follow what people experience.

1:11:58 That's really interesting. Never thought to look into move on for big foot reports but now. Or not move on? Not moving? It was No, it wasn't on. It was you know, it was a big foot thing. Sorry for the confunient. Oh was it like maybe the BFROO or big Foot Mapping Project maybe something like that. Yeah, it was probably one of those, gotcha. But one other thing that I just thought of, and I have no idea what this was. I just have no comprehension. From my own experience with the paranormal and with animals, I know it wasn't either of those to my to my understanding, to my best guess. So after my parents moved away from Klamath Falls, when I had the experience with the spreen, my mother saw the creature in the window.

1:12:50 We moved to Wrathrom, Idaho. It's about I think it's about twenty or thirty minutes outside of Corlane, Idaho. And. In that house it was had a daylight basement with the house was on a hill and in front of it was a gravel road, and across from the gravel road was a big pond, and the pond was surrounded by cattails, and so you couldn't really get to the pond because there's so much vegetation around it. But I used to. I was a young team by then. It was I think I. Was thirteen or fourteen, and I used to go out at night and walk down the gravel road about a quarter mile down the road to see my friends at night.

1:13:36 Late at night, I'd just stay up late, and my parents knew I came and went. They didn't care. But one night, after dinner, it was already dark, we had already eaten dinner, and I. Left the house. I was going down to see my friend Shane. And when I okay, so I came out the house. I went around the house and then I went down on our driveway and there's a gravel road in the cross there's the pond. I got to the gravel road. And a voice spoke my birth name audibly to me.

1:14:17 Now, I changed my name in my late twenties, but my birth name was Christian but nobody ever called me that. My parents always just called me Chris. That was it. They never once said my birth name that I can recall, unless maybe they were mad at me or something. I don't know, but this voice spoke my birth name to me. It was very loud, it was very clear. But what was weird about it was that it was mechanical. It sounded like like a robot almost. It was like crash John.

1:15:03 It was just it was something like that. It was just really bizarre. I remember that two things happened. My brain said, who called me by my birthname? The second thing my brain said is run And I immediately ran from the road up the driveway into the house. And I remember just standing there shaking. I was physiologically again. Triggered to where my whole body was in fight or flight. And my whole. Family was standing there, my parents, my brother, and sister, and they said, they all said, even I recall my brother being in Unison, and we never really got along, so he would be more likely to disagree. But he everybody was in Unison that I was as white as a sheet. They said, it looked like it was as white as a piece of paper. And I told them what happened, but I never understood what that was. And I have heard on some reports from different things, whether it's paranormal UFOs or Bigfoot, that people have had something say their name out loud or say something else out loud, and it sounded mechanical. It was about six months after

1:16:36 this again my parents moved. They moved into a rental house and in the middle of the night, I woke up and I was surrounded in white light, and you know, I'm a teenager. I'm like, what where the hell hex's light coming from? You know, it was like somebody turned on baseball stadium in my room. And as I was just coming to consciousness, I was seeing the top shelf of my closet and I was like, why do I see the top shelf of my closet And I'm looking at it. I'm looking at it, and then I realized I'm looking at the top shelf of the closet through my knees. I'm like, how the heck am I seeing the top shelf of my closet through my knees, And then I fully understood. I came to more consciousness, realizing that I was in a lying position with my knees up looking through my knees, and I was seeing the top shelf of my closet and that my body was actually in the air, about six feet in the air, about four feet away from my bed. As soon as that realization entered my consciousness, as soon as I thought, oh, I'm in the air, I fell and I fell down.

1:17:59 I remember hitting the carpeted floor, it jarring my back and my neck. I immediately got up. The light immediately left. As soon as I started falling, the light left. And then I looked out my back window of my bedroom. It had curtains up, and there was nothing out in the backyard. I looked up at the sky and there was nothing in the sky. I rushed in to tell my parents, say, hey, did you guys see that bright light? And I opened their door. They were sound asleep. I said, well, I'll go see if my sister is you know, saw it. And I looked in her bedroom.

1:18:41 She was sound asleep. I don't think my brother was living with us at that house. I think he moved out. But so then I went out the slang glass door out into the backyard and there was nothing there, just the fence yard with my parents had rented the house. All houses PRIORITY owned. There was nothing out in the backyard, nothing, nothing, the sky, absolutely nothing. And I still don't really have an explanation for that other than my research in because I've studied near this. Experience for twenty some years. I did come across a experience where there was several people that they were meditating and praying, and people reported that this one woman floated off the floor and floated in mid air until she became aware of it and she followed the floor. That's the only experience I had that I found that was similar to mine, So I don't have any explanation for it. Like the weird voice from the pond, which I've heard that I think from some UFO accounts, and then that thing, I have no idea what that was.

1:19:57 So very strange. It's such a such an incredible lifetime of things you've experienced, and not just not just Bigfoot related, but you know across the spectrum from hearing voices too, you know, seeing apparitions to seeing Bigfoot, and I just it's it's incredible. Thank you for for coming on to to share what you've experienced. I think it's probably that's probably one of the most best detailed descriptions someone's provided of of what they saw when they had a face to face encounter with a big foot. Thank you for that. Sure, I want to make sure that you know we are we are.

1:20:42 It's crazy to think that we are already about at the time, at the end of our time together today. But uh, I want to make sure that you were able to share everything that you had wanted to share, and maybe if there is more, we would have to, you know, do a follow up with you in some way. For sure. Yeah, No, I think I've shared everything, especially about bigfoot. I think other things that experience are in another field, like paranormal and. UFOs and stuff. But no, I just told I see that your podcast serves serves us in several ways. It helps create more information, like when it comes to documentation of near death studies ions, the International Associated Near Death Studies has different markers, like there's four fifty four or so commonality is amongst testimonies and stuff that people experience, and I think if those things are like, if we analyze people's experiences in those ways, then we can sort of build information about these experiences and the creatures and reach some sort of you know, understanding generally what these creatures are about and maybe their

1:22:14 roles in life and our lives. So it serves in that way. But I think an additional thing your podcast does is it helps anytime we think about something that is outside of our conscious framework, then it challenges us or helps us open up our consciousness about different things, and so we can grow. As individuals in understanding a little bit more about our environment. And maybe about ourselves as well. So I think your podcast is doing well to serve every who listens to it in multiple ways. So I appreciate that. Yeah, definitely, you know, keep me in mind if anything does happen in future trips out to the coast or anything like that. I'd love to hear if there's anything that happens. But you know, Stephani has been a great time chatting with you today. Thank you for sharing what you experienced, and feel free to reach out if you have any other questions or anything you need to share in the future.

1:23:21 Times All right, thank you very Muchjremiah. Yes, Hi, my name is Brian Gibbons, and my wife and I have a story of a local big food or something that just calls it some throwing rocks at us, something bove charging us people seeing creature actually had an old lady that lives in the area I'm talking about had her double wide knocked off the foundation by one of these creatures. And I recently came across the video that was not supposed to be on wasn't supposed to be leaked. However, some another it did get leaked. I have the original video Withi's only about fifteen minutes from my house. I would gladly send it to you. My phone number is four two three three hundred eight zero zero six. I do appreciate the Christian work that you're

1:24:51 doing along with your Bigfoot interviews. I do appreciate that if you get a chance to call me and and I will tell you about uh these some of these stories that or some of these things that's happened to us and some of these things that's happened to our friends. Also give me a call, and also I'd like to tell you about this video. It's on. I put it on my channel on Facebook now to show that you know I did have it, and I am going to do a size comparison in a week or so. I just had a pacemaker put in, so I'm kind of down for another week or two. But anyway, give me a call. I will explain what's going on and I will send you this video. I think you'll find very interesting. And I assure you that the people that took this video, I do not believe at all that these people would hoax this. And matter of fact, if you watch the video, believe you can see that it is not a hoax. But anyway, I do appreciate you and I appreciate your content. If you can't give me a call back again, my numbers and my name

1:26:21 is Brian Gibbons. Thank you. If you'd like to share a voicemail to be potentially featured on the show as well, head over to Bigfoot Society podcast dot com and hit the Share your Encounter button. Just wanted to take a minute to say thank you for listening to this episode of the Big Fort Society Podcast. Stephan's story is one of those that lingers, not just because of what he saw, but because of how many times it came back, from the screams in the woods, to the eyes in the window, to the voice that knew his name. His story reminds us that sometimes it's not us who find the unknown, it's the unknown that finds us. If you enjoy this conversation, please subscribe to the chain on YouTube, hit the bell icon so you don't miss any new episodes, and share this one with a friend who's in the Sasquatch, Washington, or something that gets a little weird. If you're listening on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please make sure you're following the show and if you'd be willing to leave a five star positive review.

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