Rogue Sasquatch in the UK: Bizarre Sightings and Deadly Secrets

0:03 You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron Tonight's story doesn't come from the mountains of North America, but from the misty hills of the southwest United Kingdom. Kay was just driving home on a quiet country road. He saw something no one could expect, a massive foot as big as his chest, disappearing into the hedge, and moments later, the glowing eye of something massive steered back at him from the darkness. This is not a legend. It's a first hand account of an encounter with something ancient, powerful and very real. So stay with us. I pick the Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Kay today. Kay as an individual that reached out to me from the United Kingdom about an interesting experience that he had over there. I believe this is the first interview we've had from this country, so welcome to the show today. Kay.

0:54 How are you doing today, sir. I'm very well. Thank you great to be here. I am really excited to have this. We've talked to someone from India before, but you are the first for the United Kingdom, so this is fantastic. I know a little bit about the sightings that happen over there, but really not a lot. My forte is more in the United States. So I'm curious to learn about what people, mainly yourself, have been experiencing over there in that country. So I'll go ahead and feel free to take us back to when you experienced something out there.

1:38 Okay, So grown up in the UK, in the southwest of the United Kingdom, we have a lot of trees. There's trees everywhere. It's real rolling countryside, lots of hills. There's a lot of small towns, a lot of small villages. There's some bigger cities, but it is mostly tree covered and we have kind of like it's known as sort of the green Man. It features a lot of artwork, a lot of older stories of it's kind of the protective spirit of the forest, as it were. And so, yeah, I grew up looking at these bits of artwork, hearing about them, but never really took it seriously, you know.

2:27 It was just a background thing. Like I can remember being a kid watching Finding Bigfoot with my dad on TV and just kind of laughing at the silliness of it, you know. But then I grew up and I started driving around and my first experience was gone midnight on a country road heading back to my coastal little town, and yeah, you know, I was driving along. The road is completely empty. It was just after sort of New Year times, so it's very cold, not any people are are on the roads, and you know, driving around at nighttime, you see we've got a lot of deer. More often than not you see them on the side of the road after they've been hit, but sometimes you see them jumping around. Something to keep in mind when you're doing sixty miles an hour on an empty road, because deers are very solid. But yeah, so there's one night I'm heading up a very tight set of corners. It's like a tight left and a tight right and a tight left, and the locals caught the corkscrew and I get to the last corner of this bit of road going quite slowly.

3:47 There's no headlights coming, so I keep my main beams on and as I go round the corner, there's a straight road in front of me, and I saw something go into the head on the left about thirty forty maybe fifty feet up in front. I'm not quite sure what that is in meters, but yeah, you know, not very far away, really and as soon as I saw it, my brain said to me, that is not a deer, because you know, like I say, anything really that you see disappear into a hedge, that's big. It's going to be a deer. A bit smaller, it's going to be a fox or a dog, maybe a badger. You know, those are normal things that we see. And what I saw was not any of that. It was a foot that was the size of my chest and I'm six feet tall, and the skin on the bottom of the foot was like a dark gray, and the hair poking down through the foot, you know, like covering the foot, and the bartom of the leg was this orangutang orange, like a bright orange, and it disappeared into the hedge at a very high angle of lift, like like the heel came up to sort of where the knee would be at about like ninety degrees, and it disappeared very

5:22 very quickly. And as soon as it did disappear, my brain was like, well there, you know, And before I could even really finish that thought, my attention was locked on the right hand side of the road. So this foot, this gigantic foot, disappeared on the left hand edge and even further past it on the other side of the road, there was just one eye and it was massive, and it was staring right at me the darkness, this big eye, and my attention was just completely locked on this eye staring at me. And I continued to drive forwards, and I was very aware that I was rapidly approaching the point on the left where the foot had disappeared. And as soon as I passed the space on the left where it had disappeared, and i'd gone past it, this right eye, or that the eye on the right, rather, it just blinked out and disappeared. And like you know, I've done a lot of night driving. There's a lot of dogs around, you know. Every time your headlights light up on the dog's eyes, they shine quite brightly. But it were quite a small size, you know, even a

6:53 fully grown labrador, it's very small. This eye shine looked to be about five or six times the size of fully grown labrador's eye. Like, this was a big eye. And the timing of it just told me very clearly that whatever being that I belonged to was making sure that I did not stop and investigate what I'd seen on the left. And as soon as i'd passed that place without slowly down, it disappeared. And I can tell you honestly, when I passed the place on the right where that I was, I did not look right. I didn't trust myself to not have a reaction if I did see something, and I was still about a mile or so away from my home in the cold, in the dark, on my own. The idea of crashing the car and being out there with whatever that was, I mean, in my mind, there's one thing it could be. There's nothing that has feet that size in this country. There's nothing that has hair with a foot that size in this country, at least there's not supposed to be, you know, like we we had these kinds of distinctions in our mind between what is and what is not. And when you see something that is not but is, you know, the eyes don't lie. I kind of wish I had

8:25 it on camera, like a DA cam, but I didn't. So I have no proof of that other than the fact that it is something that I'll never forget. You know. Every time I drive past that space on the road a bit, daytime or nighttime, I'm looking, you know, And I've seen other things that were very subtle and not as obvious, but that foot, the way it lifted up so high as it disappeared into the hedge, and the share size of it, I mean, it was legitimately the size of my chest. The power of a creature like that is just unreal. And the size of the eye, and the fact that it didn't blink once. I mean I certainly didn't blink, and neither did it. It was.

9:18 They never travel alone, in my understanding, if they're truly alone, if they're not, just you know, you see one and there's another couple around that you haven't seen, so you think it's alone. They always traveling units. They always have each other's backs. But I don't think if you do actually encounter one that is truly alone, I think that would be a bad situation. I think they're kind of like humans in the they police their own society as it were. You know, they have their own rules, their own ways of operating, and I think if you break them, then you become an outcast, just like it is with human society. And I think if you were unfortunate enough to encounter a solo outcast, it would be like encountering a human that's escaped from a mental institution or something like that. You know, probably very dangerous, not the kind of experience that you would want. So yeah, I after I had that experience and I saw the foot in the eye, it changed the way that I looked at things, and I started doing more research and learning more. And when I go out into the woods on my own during the day, I don't. I don't go into the woods on my own at night. It's not my territory.

10:47 But yeah, when I go into the woods, i'd see things differently, you know, because you understand that it's not just humans out there changing things, moving things, arranging things. You know, you'd find an enormous piece of tree that have been rolled up an embankment down into a brook, and you look at the weight of it and you're just thinking, there's no way humans did that, And even if they could, why would they. There's a lot of a lot of logging and activity in the woods, which is obviously quite a disturbance for them because that's where they live. I don't know if the ones that are down here are down here full time. Wouldn't surprise me if they were. I mean, I've heard it said that if an environment can survive can support a large population of deer, then they can support anything that feeds on the deer, and deer in this country are in endemic proportions.

11:50 There's too many of them, and so there's absolutely all the food they could wish for. Before I forget quickly, there was another thing that I experienced, and this made absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. Still doesn't really. I was driving back to my hometown on a very straight piece of road and in the middle of this road there was half a deer. It was either the front half or the back half. I think it was the front half. I'm pretty sure it was the front half, you know, ripped basically right down the middle. And you know, deers can get hit by trucks and they write the truck off and the deer just walks off into the hedge because they're solid. And so for something to apply enough force to a deer to rip it in half, that's a lot of force. I'd expect to find twisted metal, you know, around that site, But there was nothing. All there was was the front half of a deer lying in the of a road, and where the back half should have been, it wasn't. It was clean gone, but coming out of the front half was it was an arc like like like a perfect sort of rainbow ninety degrees made out of guts intestine, and it was so

13:26 perfectly laid out that it was like it had been arranged like artwork almost. And obviously I'm driving past this at a pretty high speed, you know, it's a fifty sixty mile hour road. But what I saw was very very clearly imprinted in my mind, and it baffled me. I thought, how you know, there's if a truck, if a big lorry hit a deer, I don't have to rip its hind quarters off and send it clean out of the road. There's no way that the intestines would be laid out in this perfect ninety degree rainbow arc. It just doesn't make sense. The very next morning, I was driving back along that road and I was very much looking for what I'd seen the night before, and I can tell you I slowed down and I was scanning for even just the smallest patch of blood on the road. There was nothing, absolutely nothing like it had been professionally cleaned up, which is very odd, very very odd.

14:35 So going back to sort of the main experiences, as it were, I think it would have been about three or four months after I saw the foot in the eye. I was camping with my best mate in a bit of woodland that's just down from his family farm in the country, and it's very very quiet. There's a train line maybe half a mile or three quarters of a mile away, you know, in the dead and night, you can hear the train line. It was sort of mid spring when we were camping, so it was cold. There weren't any leaves on the trees, or the leaves on the ground were very dry. You know, even mouse had been scampering around on the forest floor, we'd have heard it very clearly. And yeah, we were you know, we were camping, we were chilling, we were enjoying, and I wasn't even thinking about what I'd seen and experienced months earlier, you know, I was just enjoying the time with my friend out in the wild. And so he went to bed and there's there's just sort of embers left on the fire, and crouched down over the embers of the fire, soaking in the last little bit of heat, and I'm not even thinking about anything, you know, I'm just just vibing in the the chilled, quiet atmosphere and out of nowhere.

16:05 What sounds like about thirty odd feet to my left, slightly behind, like the side on axis. You know, you've got like straight in front of you, straight behind, directly left and directly right. Well this is just passed directly left to behind me, and there's this boom, and it's like it's like someone's smashed a mid sized tree into a big tree and an unbelievable explosion, you know, in the woods. Less than half a second later, about sounds about ten feet closer another of these booms, and then again even closer still boom, and then right behind me boom, and then moving off to the right boom, and then moving over again boom. So it was from about thirty feet over to the left going all the way to thirty feet over to the right. So it sounds like it's covering about fifty sixty feet in about less than two seconds. And all I can hear there is these insane bangs, you know, bang, And I've never heard anything like it before in my life. It was the single most ridiculous thing I'd ever heard. And there was no other noise, no other noise, not a twig snapped, a

17:38 leaf got stepped on, not even a piece of bark falling from a tree. Now, I know that if I took a metal baseball bat to a big tree as hard as I could, I'm knocking bits of bark off that tree. Then the bark is going to fall on the floor and you're going to hear it. But there was none of that. And so yeah, the explosions went off, you know, and I sorry, as carl along going off outside. I got up and then I moved as carefully and as quietly and as composedly as I could to my mate's tent, and he's kind of out of it. All I could think to say at that moment was we're not alone out here. And I barely got any response.

18:36 I figured, okay, I pretty much had my leone. I got into my tent and I had a tiny little knife with me, you know, just a little bushcrafting, and I'm just lying there waiting for another sound. And I think maybe I heard some kind of movement, but it wasn't like certain, you know. And I woke up in the morning, and you know, we were fine. And I asked my friend, I said, after you went to bed, what do you remember of last night, and he told me he remembered hearing thunder. There was no wind or rain or storm that night at all. It was a completely still night, and yet he told me he remembered hearing thunder. And with the rapidness of these explosions, it makes sense, makes sense that that's what his mind would attach that too. Now, from what I can understand, none of the so called wood knocks that we hear. I mean, that's what it sounds like. It really sounds like wood hitting wood, but it isn't and it can't be because there's no piece of wood that could withstand the the hits as it were, you know, it would break with the forces involved. Even the most premium grade baseball bat

20:07 would shatter with the forces being applied. And so that led me to a realization, which is that all of the wood knocks that we hear, none of them are created by wood. It's all ventriloquism. It's all noises made with the mouth and the throat, you know. And that's how they were able to throw a voice from thirty feet over to my left to thirty feet over to my right in less than two seconds in dense woodland dry woodland with no trail to run along. I mean usaying bolt with a baseball bat couldn't have covered that distance in that amount of time making those noises. The only way it works in my mind is throwing voice, you know, making the immity with the vocals and with the size of these beings and the power of their voice.

21:06 I mean, my goodness, I've never heard a scream myself, you know, if I've heard them online. They sound terrifying, fairly so. And if I was subjected to a scream like that, it would probably turn me into a bit of a puddle, because it's just as modern humans, we're not used to being around that kind of raw power, And probably the closest we would get is being around a truck or a piece of plant machinery from a building site. You know that the power involved is just mind boggling and scary, you know, for for good reason.

21:50 Like with that foot that I saw being the size of my chest and the corresponding body attached to it, it will pot me like a grape if it wanted to row out, if those beings that are on that road that night wanted to rip my car apart like a tin can tuna and pull me out and chew me down. They'd a bit nice single thing I could do about it. I mean, clearly they didn't want to, and clearly they don't want to for the most part, at least. Like I say, in any group, you're going to get mostly good ones and you're going to get some bad ones. And I don't think they're any different. I think there's good law abiding citizens in the Sasquatch society as it were, and then you got your rogue psychos and those. You know, if missing people reports are to be attributed to big foot activity, ain't the regulars, ain't the families doing it. It's the lone psychos, you know.

22:54 And I'm sure that they do a pretty good job at policing themselves, and that's how they've managed to stay hidden, Like their number one priority is stay hidden. I'm sure they're aware of what humans are like. And that's another thing. Whilst I was lying in that tent after hearing those insane wood knock explosions in the woods. I don't know if you're familiar with the work of Lloyd Pye, tool he has a speech in YouTube. It's weird because it just came up in an interview the other day, and I've never heard of the guy in my last person I talked to from the West coast of the US literally just brought the same dude.

23:45 Awesome. Yeah, he's great, and rest his soul, bless him. I think that everyone needs to watch and listen to and make notes on everything you know is wrong in that he talks about how essentially beings from the stars came down to Earth and took primitive man and mixed their DNA with primitive man and made us. You know, And whilst I was lying there in that tent with that small blade, waiting for a hand to reach out, I was thinking about how awful it would have been for those original humans to be on Earth and then suddenly to have their friends, their family essentially abducted and transmuted into a smaller, weaker animal that takes the hunting to you in packs out of fear, and drives you and your remaining friends and loved ones to the most unlivable places in the world and keep you there essentially.

25:07 You know that, whilst I'm lying there waiting to essentially be attacked, which never happened. It's just all in my head. But now with my mate saying that he heard thunder, I know for a fact I did not hallucinate those explosions. You know, they were not a figment of my imagination. They were absolutely real. And the physical reaction that I had in my gut, in my bones after hearing that display of power, there's no mistaking that, you know. But yeah, it is tragic the way that everything has been divided and obscured and the truth has just been buried for so long about who we are, what we are, who they are, what they are, uh, what this planet is really about? You know. It's Yeah, it's really unfortunate. We can't change the past, though, but if we can learn from it, hopefully we can change the future.

26:16 Absolutely. What what an incredible journey that you've been on already through experiencing these situations that you've been in and over in the UK. I would love to definitely ask a few questions of you. So when you had you're driving along on the road, the only so the only part you see of whatever whatever goes into the hedge is the part of the leg just above the ankle in the foot, Is that right? Yeah? It was a it was a trailing shin and an ankle and a heel and a foot with toes.

27:00 The viewpoint that you had, were you able to see how many toes it had as well? No, No, it was purely sided on, purely side on, but I could tell that there was there was an area that looked like a heel, and an area that looked like a sort of a midfoot, and then it tapered down, but the long orange hair sort of spiking down, kind of like an animal's hair does around the foot, you know, like with a bear, for instance. I'm much more familiar with the rangutangs up close and personal than I am bears, but I know that they can get pretty orange. And I imagine if you looked at the base of their foot from a side on perspective, as it was on the floor, you'd be able to see a little bit of the sort of gray pad as the hair was sort of spiking down, you know. And that's basically what I saw. There was a definite grayness to the skin and an absolute orange ness of the hair, which surprised me. You know, I really wasn't expecting orange hair.

28:07 But then I wasn't expecting to see that at all. You know, right exactly so you're looking at the bottom of the feet. Did you notice anything out of the ordinary? Did the foot move in a way that you weren't expecting it to move, or was it just flat across as it lifted off the ground and then went into the hedge. The thing that really jumped out to me was how high the heel lifted before the foot began to move forwards into the hedge. Do you know what I mean? So like when human steps. There's a YouTuber called thinker Thunker. I don't know if you're familiar with him at tor sure, yep, yeah, yeah. Have you seen his stuff where he does breakdowns of a woman in high heels, a man in clown shoes.

28:50 No matter what you're wearing, the legs move the same way and they're relatively the same height of lift, the same angle in relation to the knee. This was ninety degrees. You know, it was way beyond what a human moves at. And you know, my dad joked and saying, like I was a guy in a gilly suit, Like, no guy has a foot the size on my chest. No guy wears an orange gilly suit at like half one in the morning, just gone New Year's and no guy lifts his heel to that angle whilst stepping, even on rough terrain.

29:31 It doesn't work. It's very unnatural. And yeah, the height of the lift of the heel really just sort of screamed out to me as a crucial sort of detail. And the speed at which it disappeared, I mean, it was I don't know if before I saw it it had more of itself out of the hedge and it was looking at me or whatever, and it just turned super quick and all I caught was the foot, or if the foot was all that was there and that's all I saw, But yeah, I mean it certainly wasn't all that was there, because on the other side of the road there was another being further down, And like I say, with the timing and everything, like, as soon as I passed the point on the left, the eye just blinked out, and that's it was covering for it, you know. I mean, God knows what would have happened if I'd have stopped, if I'd have been dumb enough to stop and get out of the car and have a look in the hedge and look for a footprint.

30:35 I mean, yeah, it's really cool that you were able to see something that most people dream of seeing in their lifetime and just try to imagine what it's like based on track cast. But you were actually able to see the movement of the foot as it walked away, and you're focused on it because that's all you really have to see. It's just it's a very very cool sighting. There's a lot to learn from that, for sure by people that are more smarter than me, no doubt. When when you saw the one the one I on the other side of the road, how high up roughly was that from the ground.

31:27 I would approximate between six and a half and seven and a half feet. Okay, it wasn't super high, but it wasn't low either. It was i'd say, above the roof of my truck, which is about six feet, but it was. It was double the distance from the foot like when I initially saw it. You know, as soon as it disappeared, before my brain had even processed what had happened, my attention was already locked on the other side of the road by being stared at by the biggest I I've ever seen on dry land. It's incredible. Just to give us a bit of context, most listeners are going to be familiar with sightings from the United United States side of things. How often are people seeing things that look like an orangutan or have the same color as an orangutan out in the woods in the United Kingdom? Is it reported a lot? Or is this pretty rare?

32:35 I have yet to hear of a report of an orangutan like being in the UK. Occasionally you'll get a report of chimp on the loose or just a sort of a black blob that. There have been some reports off of the mountains in Ireland and Scotland of white ones. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they came in many colors, from black to gray, to white to sort of a creamy color and then right on into the orange and the brown. But yeah, I mean most of the reports that I've heard have been darker or lighter.

33:21 I can't remember of an orange report in the UK. Yeah, that is really interesting because it would be the first time that I've heard of one as well, and I know we have listeners all over the world. I'd be really curious if people know of other reports. Maybe they can put that in the comments or email me about those. HM. The deer that you saw ripped in have Do you remember if did it seem to have a broken neck at all? Or was the neck in the head normal for the. I don't remember any kind of strange angles in the head and the neck. Honestly, my attention was more focused on the layout of it's in its The sort of perfect ninety de greenness of it really threw me off.

34:21 It felt like some dark art, you know. But yeah, I can't remember if it had a broken neck. I seem to remember that it was the front half and that it was the ass and that had been taken. I'm guessing there's more meat on the hind quarters. But the whole thing doesn't really make sense to me. I mean, why leave a mess, and why leave it in such a public place, and why why arrange things the way they were arranged? I mean it just like, you know, how tough. Yeah, oh yeah, we've gotten all over the place absolutely.

35:04 Yeah, yeah. I mean, like to have the force necessary to rip a there in half, you know, right along the middle of the spine, so that it's just a front half and a back half and then you walk off with the back half. I mean, for a truck to do that, it would be an absolute mess, wouldn't it. It really would. And the other thing is over in this area, there are no large they're no large predators. Right. Well, you say that we do have big cats. We do have big cats. They are small in number, very very elusive. They're very very smart. If they hear you coming, you won't see them. I've seen one my whole time of being here. And it was really really close. Man.

35:56 I was in a field. I was walking home night from one side of the town that I live on to the other side where I lived, and I was on the phone, so the phone was like lighting up my face. And I've walked through this field more times than I could count. I know all of the clumps of bushes that are in this field. And as I walked through this turnstile gate, I took about maybe eight or ten steps into the field and it sort of opens up around a corner, and right on my left, maybe. Maybe ten or twelve feet away, there was this hour glass silhouette of perfect blackness just sitting in the grass.

36:42 And there should be no blackness there at all, but with the sleekness of the shape and the size of the shape. As I'm on the phone, my brain said to me, loud and clear, pretend like you saw nothing, and pray it stays sat there, because I think it was there waiting for a deer. It was waiting to ambush a deer. And thankfully it had the sense to realize I was not what it was after, and I just walked off. But yeah, there's in my mind there's only one thing that that black silhouette could have been, and that's a big cat, very very close, closer than I ever imagined I would be to one of them in the wild, and I'm very glad I didn't get any closer. I think if I had spooked it, it would not have been good, because they're incredibly powerful, you know, with the speed and the strength and their teeth and their claws. I mean, yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't fancy tangling with one of them alone in a field at night.

37:56 But yeah, I mean, we do have big cats, but there's no way, there is no way a big cat ripped that there in half like that and arranged those intestines like that. There's just no chance it would have dragged the thing off whole. For a start, Yeah, it would not waste food, and the fact that that front half was left there with all of those relatively nutritious intestines. It just it doesn't make sense. And probably what's even stranger to me still is there was not one drop of blood on the road the next day, like like a cleaning crew had come in and blasted the road clean.

38:39 Yeah, that's that's really weird. You'd mentioned the dark arts and over here sometimes in the words you'll see stuff that could be attributed to probably similar things, but more often like cults or you know, things that are satanic, et cetera. And sometimes you do find some weird things in the woods. But yeah, what you described there is just something of a totally different scenario I believe. I mean it was it was. It was artwork, and it was dark, you know, it was it was raw, it was it was like, yeah, I don't know, you know how like in their tribal depictions sometimes you have different parts of different animals that be put into a bowl and the bowl is spilled out, and they'll use the arrangement of what was in the bowl to divine a fortune or something to predict the future. Not it was.

39:44 I don't think it was art like that, but I think I think there was a meaning to it, but I don't know what or why. I mean it was it was the most gruesome rainbow I ever saw in my life. But it really looked like a rainbow. And I don't think it's something I'll ever forget and I don't think it's something i'll ever see again or understand. Wow, it's Yeah, it's quite the visual picture. When when you think about it, these these experiences that you've had, I'll ask it a different way actually, So after the time of experiencing these things and also experiencing what happened when you're out camping with your friend, did you start to have any things that were out of the ordinary that happened afterwards in your life, maybe at your home or anything strange start to happen to you.

40:48 Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah. So what I can tell you know, how like animals can read people's energy and intentions almost like a sixth sense. I absolutely feel they have it too. And in my mind, when you go into their home the woods and you know that they're there, they know that you know. And when you're in their home and you don't know that they're there, they also know that you don't know if that makes any kind of sense.

41:29 And it makes a hundred percent to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So after I learned what was about, obviously every time I go into the woods, I'm thinking about it, you know a lot. I'm thinking about where they are, what they're doing, how they're doing, what they're up to. And I think that they can get a real good read on who people are, what they're about, what their intentions are. And I think that they know that I mean them no arm whatsoever. I want to see them protected, but not in a kind of caged way, just in a give them their space way. And I think maybe they appreciate that. I'm very very much into swords.

42:23 I love swords. I always have since I was a little kid, and I still train with pieces of wood and pieces of metal in sword forms today. And walking through the woods, and I'm probably about halfway through the woods to this gravel section that's at the back of the woods, which I use as a training area, and walking along and I see a stick lying in the middle of the trail and it's a good it's a good got three and three and a bit feet long, maybe four, And there's a couple of us sort of shattered bits of wood at either end. So there's this stick and then broken bits on either end.

43:10 And as soon as I saw that stick, my brain said one word to me, sword and I picked it up and I carried it to where I was going, to the gravel path section, and I picked up a rock and I started to work on this piece of wood and sort of shave it a little bit and shape it a little bit, and then I trained with it and I carry it. I still have it to this day. It's my favorite training sword. I call it my Sasquat sword. And in my mind that was a gift because they know who I am, they know what I'm into, you know what I like, and they gave it to me, and I absolutely love it. I cherish it. But yeah, it was it was holly, Hollywood from a holly tree, holly bush, and around where I found it no holly at all.

44:08 So it was. It was broken, and it was taken, and it was left in the middle of that trail for me to walk along. And I know that a lot of people would think, oh, you know, that's nothing, that's got no no significance, no attachment. But to me, all points in space and time are connected. And everything feeds into everything else, and consciousnesses are very wide, very powerful phenomenon. And you know, we, like I was saying earlier about sort of pre humans being then turned into humans, like we maintain the connection, you don't suddenly become completely separated.

44:56 And I think that we are very much connected to these beings, where we understand it or not, whether we're aware of it or not. I've heard many people out there they have that mind speak and they have a voice in their head that communicates things to them, tells them where to go, where not to go, when to be a place. I think that in a lot of instances, they're really looking out for us, because I know for a fact that they are not all that's out there. And not even just talking about big caps, mate, I know this isn't specifically Bigfoot related, but they share the same environment. And it was the scariest thing I've ever seen in my life. So I don't know if you if you want me to go into that at all, this other encounter that I had.

45:52 I would say that it is a part of your story. Well, so this is the way I look at it. The show is always one hundred percent focused on big from the beginning. But people's stories also have intersections with other things, and so in that case, I would say, definitely share what else you've experienced. Beautiful? Yeah, cool. So just on a quick tangent, I have seen a UFO. It was tiny, It was about eight or nine inches long, and it was on a beach where we were partying. I was sat on a log like we were in a cove, and the people that were setting up this beach had taken a generator and speakers down onto the beach. It was a really good affair. Whilst I was down at university down in Cornwall, and yeah, I was sat on this log chatting with a guy. He was telling me about how he was in university. It was just funny actually because of the symbol of your big Foot Society logo. He was telling me about how he was in university to become a journalist, to infiltrate the illuminati and expose them. I thought that was quite interesting. But I said to him, I was like, listen, bro, like, if you found out some information that would hurt them, I don't think you'd ever live long enough to bring it into the light, you know, I said, you're probably better off trying to help those in need rather than trying to target those in power. And sometimes I question whether my advice was right or not. I never heard

47:23 from him again after that night. But this is the important part of that. He was sat to my left and over to my right was a fire, and because we were in this cove, the smoke from the fire was rising and a very still, very slow column, super super slow, super gentle. Right now, if you flew a radio controlled helicopter or a drone through that smoke column, the smoke would billow out in those rolling coils like you've seen on all the war movies when a helicopter flies through, you know, rising column of smoke. Right. So, anyways, the smoke is rising, super still and chatting with this guy, and out of the corner of my eye, something grabs my attention and I turned my head. And the guy who sat here, he didn't have to turn his head at all really to follow where I was looking.

48:15 In between me and this smoke column was this thing I was just sat in the air, a chrome body. It looked to have a head and a body and a tail section, and it looked like there was some engravings on the tail section. But I really didn't see it for very long, because as soon as I locked eyes on it, it was like somebody had put a pin through the middle of its body and it turned on an axis just perfectly. And then it just instantly took off and shot through this column of smoke, and there was no disturbance. I didn't blink, and it cut through this smoke column like a ghost knife through ghost butter.

48:57 There was just no interaction. As soon as it disappeared, I was immediately off the log I was sat on, took the two or three steps to run round to the other side of fire. Oh another detail. I had this body and it had wings, and each wing, it just had one wing. On each side. There was a rectangle and each of these rectangles was made out of two rows of four blue lights in squares. So there was eight blue lights squared out in a rectangle on each wing. And so when I ran around the fire, I was looking for these blue lights. It made no noise, it affected the smoke in no way, and it was gone.

49:38 And so I turned around and I went back to the guy who had been looking in the direction that I turned, and I had the sense, thank goodness, I had the sense to not lead the witness. I just said to him, tell me what you saw, please, And I had like a checklist of descriptors which he could use to describe what I saw. And I can't remember exactly what he said, but as he was saying what he saw, I was ticking off things down this list until there was enough tics that I knew that was not imaginary. Like I saw. He saw the same thing I saw. And I turned to other people at the party, I was like, did you guys see that? No one saw nothing, just me and him. But I've never heard from him again. But when I saw it, my brain said to me, very very clearly, being watched and being listened to, The question is by who and why? Like why is an anti gravity drone on a beach in Cornwall listening to students talk about the Illuminati? You know why?

50:42 But anyways, so I know there's quite a strong link in the community between extraterrestrial UFO activity and Bigfoot. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they were quite linked. I mean, from what Lloyd Pye says, they've been linked for eons and we are them plus extra. But anyways, so I know that there's other things about other than bigfoot and big cats and UFOs, because yeah, the scariest thing I ever saw was outside my house about three or four o'clock in the morning. I'm a disabled guy. I used to spend a lot of time up late at night, and I was smoking outside my front door where i'd lived and I'd only lived in this place for about six months. I used to be able to open my curtains and I'd have horses lined up along the fence of this field, just munching grass. I'd call them my neighbors, but yeah, they're this field. And it was kind of cut in half, like the flat side of the field was one half, like right next to my house, and then there's this big line of trees, and then the line of trees was the other half of the field, which is kind of on a hill. And there's a big gap in between these trees where trucks and horses will go through. And this night was an incredibly clear night,

52:15 a beautiful full moon. I was casting deep, deep shadows in the space under the trees in this gap, which is seventy eighty feet away from my front door, and it's really not far and I'm out there smoking. I'm enjoying the stars. It's beautiful, it's gorgeous, and my attention is locked onto that dark gap between the trees, and I see movement, and I expect it to be a badger or a deer or a fox or something small and regular, and that's absolutely not what I saw. What I saw was a humanoid down on all fours. And when I say down on all fours, I'm not talking about knees and elbows. I'm talking about hands and feet, but with the chest and the head inches off the floor like your frog crawling, you know. And if you just if you just get down on the floor and put your hands, you know, sort of like a frog, and your feet like a frog, and your only your hands and your feet are on the floor, no knees, no elbows, and you try and hold yourself in that position for just a few seconds. It's difficult, right, And what I saw this thing do blew my mind and shook me to my absolute core because it crawled down on the floor like this, like it was sniffing the floor.

53:48 I could see no face, there was no hair, there was no clothes. It had super pale, almost shiny skin, long arms, long legs and it's sniffing the floor what it looks like whilst it's crawling. And it covered about twenty feet in about two seconds, which there's no human on the planet that can move like that, at that speed, that low to the ground. There's just no And by the time I'd registered what was really going on, after it had covered those twenty odd feet, my mind told me very very clearly, don't breathe, don't make a noise.

54:33 Get inside now, lock the door, close the curtain, grab your machete, and pray to God it doesn't come for you. And that's what I did. I got inside, I locked the door, closed the curtain, and went in my bedroom. I got a chete, I took it out of the sheaf. I went back into the front room and I crouched down. Now I understand now, that's because if it appeared at my door, because the moonlight is beaming, you know, if anything had appeared in front of the window by my door, I had seen it. And that's what I was waiting for. I was waiting for a hand to come up. I was waiting for anything. And I crouched down because I knew that if something did appear slowly or quickly, I'd probably fall backwards, and the closer my head was to the floor, the less chance of me being knocked out or severely injured by falling over. Not once in my life had I ever done that before. Not once had I ever experienced anything that made me crouch down low like that. But this did because the strength for this thing to move like that, and it had no face.

55:46 That's another thing that really trips me out with how close it was. I should have been able to see eyes. I should have been able to see a mouth. I should have been able to see a nose. It was just a blank face, sniffing the dirt as it was crawling. And thank god it wasn't crawling straight toward towards my house, because I probably would have literally had a heart attack on the spot. It was crawling sort of in the relative direction of my house, but it would have taken it to the corner of the field, which was to the right of my house. Seeing that just outside your front door in the middle of nowhere, Like, I had a very few neighbors, they're very old, not the kind of people you can count on when you're fighting to your death at four o'clock in the morning, and I don't think it would have been much of a fight, mate, because, like I say, if you try and just hold yourself not even moving in the position this thing was in, it's really hard, really hard. And the fact that it could crawl twenty feet in less than two seconds whilst being in that position, the strength on that thing was demonic.

56:44 I mean, it absolutely did not look like something made for the light of day. It was an absolute creature of darkness, which is funny considering it was like shiny white. But yeah, I'm walking back from work alone in the dark, I'm thinking about that thing, or God forbid, worse, two or three of those things on me around me, not far. I think I maybe saw another one another time, but that was definitely nowhere near. It was clear. It was just a weird white shape moving in a weird way over a sort of embankment. It didn't make sense for any animal that I knew, and I can't remember how that was before or after the crawler sighting. That's what I call it. I call it the pale crawler or the white crawler because it's exactly what it did. It crawled and I know it wasn't human. There's no there's no human that can move like that, and even if there was, why would they be out there doing that at that time? You know, I've seen something slightly similar in movies before, of like professional contortionialists, people who really practice and work on moving in weird ways. But even then, I don't think any of them could cover that distance in that position. The strength on it was just unreal.

58:12 And yeah, I mean you get other reports in England of dog men as well. Never seen one of that, but wouldn't be surprised at all of it was out there. I mean, between the UFO, the bigfoot, and that pale crawler thing, I know for a fact that it's far more going on than we are led to believe or encouraged to believe. And yeah, it's only by putting yourself out there in these unusual places at unusual times that you experience unusual things. And I've been fortunate enough to have a weird enough life where I have been out in these places at these times and seeing these things.

58:58 I don't know if I would recommend it though. Exactly. The tricky thing is is that sometimes when you have interactions with a bigfoot then that opens you up to all of these other things. And you know, I did not know that there were sightings of the pill crawler reported over in the UK as well. It's something we hear a lot about over here in the US, and it's all over the place and some really really scary stuff, which is not my focus, but I do hear about it every once in a while, and it's just some really scary stuff. Also, I wanted to comment on how you shared about finding the piece of holly that you made into a sword, and that to me was fascinating because I've heard variants of that story so many times where it's almost like they know what you think about and then there's a gift left for you that you would really appreciate it. And it is incredible to hear that from another country. I've never heard that kind of thing from outside of the US, and it's just very cool to think of that this type of thing is happening probably around the entire world. We just haven't heard about it yet.

1:00:23 Yeah, Yeah, it's beautiful. I mean, I've heard of stones being gifted berries, little sort of knotted pieces of wood. You know. Artistic things do you do? You follow Bob Gimmlin's channel channel at all. Yes, yep, yep, yeah yeah. Do you remember the one where the art was made in the tree with the snakes and they were still alive and they'd been tied mm hmm, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's yeah, that takes some serious doing. I that's that's not I don't know if that was an artistic gift left for that individual or if it was just a sign that was made. And it really is hard to tell, but yeah, I mean it really felt to me like that sword was put there for me to pick up and carry off and while down and use and keep and cherish and love. You know, it's one of my most prized possessions. And it's to anyone else, it's just a stick, But to me, it's a gift from the gods of the forest.

1:01:32 You know, absolutely. Do you still go out just to try to have interactions like you did when you were on the camping trip with your friend or. Well, I mean when I was camping with my friend, there was no intention doing anything other than just camping that they weren't even in my mind. We weren't talking about them, I wasn't thinking about them, And I think maybe that's why they appeared. Well, I say it appeared. I didn't see nothing, but I heard they spoke volumes in those bangs. I needed no encore, you know, the power conveyed in those sounds. Like I said, I don't think that any tree actually got hit because it just doesn't make sense to me. There's there's there's no piece of wood that could tolerate that and stay in one piece.

1:02:26 There's just no way but a voice. A voice could do that all day, you know, especially their voice, and they could throw it. But yeah, I mean, it's just so many questions, and it's like every answer you get just brings more questions. No, absolutely, And I think that people are starting to become more open to things such as telepathy. I mean you've probably heard you may have even listened to it yourself. I mean, I know a lot of listeners have been listening to the The Tapes podcast that's pretty much proving that telepathy is real through scientific methods, which is incredible.

1:03:09 And I think as things like that start to come out more and more, the people that were you know, laughing at the idea of mind speak back in the day, maybe switching the way that they think about things. You know, Yeah, it really should, it really should. I mean, we discount possibilities based off of zero evidence just because it doesn't make sense so it doesn't add up, or we haven't read it in a textbook. But like life isn't boundaried by what's written in a textbook and what's agreed upon in university staff rooms. You know, life, that is what it wants, regardless of whether we understand it or not. And part of our journey is to understand these things as we come across them and try and learn more. But like I said, I mean, every for every answer that you get, it brings dozens more questions.

1:04:14 I would love to speak with them mine speak wise, but at the same time, I don't know how i'd actually handle it. I mean, I go out in the woods on my own during the day, and I go off the trail, and I go and visit places which feel like have good energy to me, places that could potentially be almost like there's one spot that I found in the woods near to a sheep skull, which is way off the trail, and the sheep skull is placed in a circle of moss on the edge of a swamp, and it feels very witchy, it feels very ritually and near to that spot, there's a section of tree where the tree is sort of bent over and it almost feels like, you know, the thing that you set out for a toddler where it's got that arch and then things hang from the arch and they play with it.

1:05:10 On the map. It totally feels like that. It feels like a crash. It feels like a play spot for young ones. And I always had that energy, and yeah, I love being around places like that. And I know that every time I go into the woods on my own, there is a small chance that I could fall into an undiscovered coal mine and break my legs and never be seen again, or get whisked away off into the stars, or just have lights out for whatever reason. Doesn't stop me from going. I mean, like I said, don't go in there in the nighttime because they are nocturnal, you know, out there at that time. That's their space. That's not for us to be in. And I respect that, you know.

1:06:03 I don't want to be trooping through their front garden disrespecting, you know. And there's another reason why I want to keep this location quiet, because I don't want loads of people in here trashing the place looking for something that they probably shouldn't be finding, you know. I mean, I would recommend for people to open their minds and put themselves out in the world at unusual spaces. But at the same time, it's like, I have a pretty strong mind, I've thought through a lot, I'm pretty tough, and the stuff that I've seen does keep me up at night sometimes, and so I don't know how people who maybe aren't the strong would handle it, whether it would just stop them from going outside at all, you know, which would be a great shame. The woods are amazing, they're really healing, the beautiful energy and the wildness, and it's definitely something that we need to stay in touch with. And at the same time, we need to respect that it's not our home like it used to be, but it isn't anymore, and you know, it's wise to give all wild animals their space, especially when they're potentially more intelligent than you are, you know. I mean, we think we're so great with

1:07:33 our rockets and our cars and our Wi Fi, but in terms of raw survivability and capability in the wild, just innate of themselves, no tools needed, They're far more capable than any of us. They can go further, they can hit harder, they can last longer, and they are just incredible. And I've heard stories in North American tribe law of times when people and sasquatches would get together and dance together, and make music together, and even play fight together. I heard of one very unfortunate incident where a man died in these play fights, as it were, and they weren't seen again. They didn't come back and do another party because obviously they didn't want to risk any kind of injury to the fragile little humans. Well, a dream of mine is to essentially create a kind of armor that would enable me to play fight with like gorillas orangatangs bears. I don't think I could build anything that would stand up to a fully grown salt water crocodile, because they're literal dinosaurs, and by the same token, I don't know if any kind of a man made material could stand up to the strength of a fully

1:09:05 grown sarsquatch. I don't think their strength is calculatable, if that makes sense. I mean, scientists have tried to find out how strong a gorilla is, how strong a bear is, and I've heard different findings that essentially come back and say, we can't say how strong they are, our equipment can't measure it. And yeah, I think these things will be even stronger. There's a little sort of question going around the internet at the moment. Who would win one hundred men or one gorilla? Right, no doubt that. There's no way a hundred men could take down a gorilla, Just no way. And not even a small chimp could a hundred men take down, because they're just built different. Their bones are different, their muscles are different. They haven't been weakened like we have. They go through us like tissue paper, you know. And yeah, I don't think even a thousand men could take down one fully grown sasquatch in a hand to hand fight. We would just be dry leaves to that thing. I don't know how much you've looked into dreams and their connection to reality and stuff like that.

1:10:20 I do know that it's very often reported that after encounters there will be extremely vivid dreams that will happen or like at least a week, two week and a half. Yeah, right, Well, I didn't have any of that after the encounter, but not long ago. Actually, I had a dream where I saw them fully head to toe. It was one of those dreams where it feels like you're in it for days, and I can remember it was almost like it felt like a far cry dream, you know. It was lots of running, lots of hiding. At one point I was in seawater up to my chest as I was crambling along rocks on a coastline trying to sort of escape and evade. There is huge trees around.

1:11:11 They were like two hundred and fifty three hundred feet tall, absolutely massive, and there was a real old train line that led to a very old train station where it was again just made out of huge trees, huge bits of wood. And next to this old train station was a real old house, big old house. And so in this dream, running around, and at one point I look up to one of the top of these absolutely gigantic trees, and I see a full eight nine foot maybe ten right at the top of this tree, and he jumps out of the tree and he drops like a pencil, legs down straight, arms down by his side, and I see him disappear into the foliage and I hear him land just this all mighty third and then immediately after that massive third smaller, So this thing dropped three hundred feet out of a tree like a pencil and just ran it off like it was nothing. And then the last part of the dream that I remember was having I think it was a car headlight between me and it, and it was behind it with the headlights, and it was running straight at me, and all of its hair from its head on its arms, so that's back, that's legs was all lit up and I could just see this thing steam rolling towards me, and yeah, it was

1:12:43 It was incredible. Even though it was just a dream, it was completely real when I was in it and seeing I've seen the bottom end of the leg I've seen an eye. I've never seen it head to toe, you know, except for in videos where people have caught certain things. But yeah, to have this thing barreling down on you was indescribable. Really that the power of it was unreal. And yeah, I don't know what happened after, but I remember waking up and thinking, Wow, you know, that was that was really something to experience. I kind of hope that I never experienced that in real life, right, but yeah, it was just the power of it was incredible, and the strength of it. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised at all if in reality they could drop three hundred feet like that and just run it off like it's nothing. And you see videos of the mountain lions grabbing hold of a or like snow leopard grabbing hold of ibex up the mountain, and they'll fall like half a mile down the mountain, and then they still just get up and carry the eyebex off in their mouth.

1:14:03 I think that these things would be way tougher than them, way tougher, so much more solid and durable. And I think we have barely even begun to scratch the surface of what these beings are capable of. And I hope that in time we will learn more and we will understand more and become more connected to these other beings who live on this planet with us, and in many ways I feel are us. You know, it'd be great to see the divide get closed a bit.

1:14:49 Okay, just a fascinating conversation, as I said before, but I mean it even more now. Your journey has been a incredible one where there's been much much learning along the way. I just want to say thank you for taking some time out of your night to share what you've experienced. There's a lot to take away from this. I think people could even listen to it more than one time with no problem. But I would say, please keep in touch with us if you continue to experience things as you go along. We would love to hear you know what where your path takes you next. But I just want to make sure. Also, something I ask at the very end is sometimes that you were able to share everything that you had wanted to share on the show today.

1:15:47 I think so. Yeah. Yeah, there was a couple of other little things, but I think we got the main points covered. Yeah, fantastic. Well, I appreciate you coming on, k and thank you so much much for sharing your time with us tonight. Thank you for having me. It's been a genuine pleasure. Look forward to speaking with you again in the future. Just wanted to take a minute to say thank you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Case story is a fascinating one, not just for what he saw on the dark road, but for the many questions it raises about the things we can't see but yet are so close. Huge thanks to Kate for sharing his unique journey and for reminding us that sometimes the unexplained is just waiting to find you when you least expect it. If you enjoyed this conversation, please subscribe to us on YouTube and hit the bell icon so you don't miss any new episodes. And share this with a friend who's in the Bigfoot, cryptids or a good mystery.

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