Sasquatch Appeared 10 Feet Away—And Then Vanished! | Oregon

0:00 You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, pick the Society. We've got the privilege of talking to Shelley Heaton today. She is the founder of the Sweet Home, Oregon Sasquatch Research group on Facebook and also off of Facebook. I mean, you guys are out there doing some boots on the ground research as well, as we'll probably hear about in a bit. But welcome to the show. Shelley. How are you doing today?

0:54 I'm doing great, Thank you so much. I'm so excited to talk to you today. Absolutely in myself as well. It feels like we were just all in Oakridge about two months ago, which is crazy. That. I know it feels like yesterday, but. It was really fun. You were one of the people that I was excited to meet in person or to talk a little bit there in person with. And it's such a fun festival. You know, if people can make it to the Sasquat Summer Fest in Oakridge, I would really really recommend that they check it out. And you'll hear about that as we get closer to it.

1:35 But every year it gets better, it. Really does, you know, to talk about it for a little bit, man, there were people. I don't know if you notice this at your booth, but at my booth, I was talking to people all over the US that were at that festival. Yeah, it was crazy. I had people from Pennsylvania, down California, Canada, man all over and it is really starting to become a huge festival and I'm excited to Plans are already made to be there again next year, so that'd be the third year for me. So I'm excited. But you know, Shelley, I want to make sure that we have the time for you to share some interesting experiences you've been a part of out there in the Cascade region of Oregon. Would you consider sweet home to be in the foothills of the Cascades.

2:34 We are directly in the foothills. As a matter of fact. Our motto is we are the gateway to the Cascades. So I love it. I love it. Oh yeah, I love it too. You. I'll tell you what. So before we get going, man, after the festival last year, I took one twenty six past Leeberg and Mackenzie Bridge and like over Sandy m Junction over to Sis and it was like, oh my goodness, what have I gotten myself into? It? Is it crazy? There? That's part of my area too, all the way. So I researched just north of me at Detroit Lakes and then I come down to the Sweet Home area all the way down to Mackenzie Watershed and then back up to Sisters like that whole area is my research area. So and it's great. I love it.

3:29 Oh wow, I didn't know it was your research area. Went out that far. That was really good to know. But I'd say, you know, before we get too far into it, can you can you share a little bit about what got you into the whole Bigfoot subject to begin with? Yeah, I'd love too. So when I was five years old and it starts. I'll try to make it short. But when I was five years old, I saw Ufo with my aunt and I remember all I can really remember about that incident was that I saw something shiny and disshaped in the sky. It was hovering rollo over a cornfield across the street from my house, and I asked my aunt what is it and she said it's a ufo and I was like, oh cool. You know, so that year, and I remember what year it was, it was nineteen seventy eight. Because I don't know if you remember this, Jeremiah, I don't know how old you are.

4:27 I don't want to aid you. But in nineteen seventy eight, we had a big snowstorm in the Midwest and there was like eight feet of snow. So I remember it being that year because of that snowstorm. And that same year I started having dreams about Bigfoot. And it was the same dream. It was a reoccurring dream, and it scared the heck out of me. I was petrified, and I had it very often. So I had that dream from the time I was fo until I was nineteen, and I finally I remember I woke up one morning when I was nineteen, and I was crying, and I was overwhelmed, and I was stressed out because the stream.

5:16 I would start out in an old house, in an old Victorian house, and there was no electricity, and I remember like gas lamps and wooden furniture, and I'd look out the front window and there'd be a sasquatch, this huge hairy man just walking up on the porch and gently opening the screen door and walking in the living room, and it startled me, and I would turn around and I would run through the house out the back door. And so I'd run out the back door through like a maybe like a grass field or you know, wheat or something like that. And every time I would turn around, he'd be walking behind me. And I felt like he was chasing me at the time, probably because I was so young, but he really wasn't. He was just walking behind me, you know. So fast forward, I had that dream.

6:18 My aunt took me to one of her psychic healers and we discussed it, and you know, she said this and that, and she said, well, you have to just confront him and tell him stop scaring me. So I did. I confronted him, and he got right down into my face, and I was face to face with him, and he had the most I don't want to say beautiful but not It wasn't a threatening face. It was just a very calm, kind of almost like a monkey face, you know. And he got right in my face and he said, please stop scaring me. You're terrorizing me. And so after that, I continue to have the dreams, but instead of him coming up to the porch and into the house, he sat behind a tree in my front yard and just watched me. He would peek around the tree and just keep an eye on me, you know. So that was pretty comforting. But so that's how my obsession with Bigfoot began.

7:21 Oh my goodness, that's incredible. So that was ages five to nineteen. Five to nineteen wow, mm hmm. And then when I was in my early teens, after a friend of mine had passed away, I started having experiences with mediumship and I started speaking to people who had passed while I was sleeping, only while I was sleeping. And this all happened in the Midwest. He said, yeah, I lived in Michigan. Yeah, okay, center of the Palm. Yeah, well that's that's very interesting. So that was definitely that was east of Mannistee National Forest, I would guess.

8:06 Okay that yeah, right in the center of the palm. So it's about twelve miles north of Battle Creek, Michigan. You know Battle Creek where they make the cereal. It's further south than I realized, the south of Grand Rapids. Okay, well that's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that all happened, and then that's how I came into my obsession with big I wrote literally like took over my entire childhood, you know, so fast forward I did. Just because of the mediumship. I started really getting into ghost hunting and stuff like that. And then you know, I lived my life. I did my bucket list before I had my baby at forty two.

8:50 You know. So when I had my my daughter, I started I became a raking master because I wanted to you know, try to help heal me my body and my soul, you know, before really getting into motherhood. And I started having a lot of you know, feelings of Bigfoot again. And so I had the opportunity to go camping in Klamath Falls and Wolf Creek and we had some way. Yeah, it was oh my god, it was awesome. It was so primitive. Wolf Creek is so primitive, but so that when we were up there, I had a few experiences that were unexplained, just noises and sounds and feelings energy, you know, vibes and stuff. And so I was like, you know, I have to move to Oregon.

9:47 I was living in California at the time, so I was like, I got to move to Oregon. So we did. We packed up and we moved to Oregon. And it ended up in Sweet Home just because of the location and circumstances. And when I got to suite at home, I had I got a car and I had put stickers, a few Bigfoot stickers on them, and all of a sudden, it was like a magnet for people who wanted to talk. And these hunters and fishers and sportsmen would see the stickers on my card loggers too, Oh my gosh. So they would see the stickers on my car. They'd either they'd flag me down when I was driving through town, or they would wait in the parking lot at the grocery store and wait for me to come out of the grocery store to tell me their stories about Bigfoot.

10:44 And it was overwhelming. I could not believe the amount of people, men in particular, who wanted to get this off their chest. You know what I mean. It was like it was painful for them, but when they talked about it, they felt so much relief. And I felt that from them, and I was like, you know what, something that Sweet Home doesn't have is a bigfoot group. And I said, I felt like, I'm I felt like that this is what I'm supposed to do. This is what I'm going to do, and this is what I'm going to focus on. And so I started the Sweet Home Sasquatch Group and I keep it private and they trust me, and I keep my locations private, and it's just ever since I started it, it's just been like this big, wonderful gift. And so that's when I put my boots on the ground, was when I started the group, and that was in February of twenty twenty four.

11:48 That is such a really cool story of how that just that whole journey. And because I honestly didn't know what your background was with all this o's nobody does, I know. That's why that's why I wanted to tell you, Jeremiah, because I was like, I feel like this is a story that is really going to resonate with a lot of people, and then they'll be able to understand me a little bit more. So one thing you said it was very interesting. I want to make sure that I heard it right. So you're driving around in this town and you have just a few probably like basic Bigfoot silhouette stickers on the back, and you have people actually saying like, pull over, I need to talk to you.

12:32 Yes, yes, yeah, that was before I decked my car out. Now my car my rig is like, well, you know, it's like the Bigfoot rig. But yeah, this was, this was before all that. I just had a few stickers and you know, I think I had one in the window that said Bigfoot Research you know. Okay, so yeah, yeah it was it was a magnet. Yeah, how cool is that? So? Yeah, you you created the group in sweet Home, and did all of a sudden you start getting these people actually, you know, doing boots on the ground things with you in real life, not just on Facebook. You have actual groups going out and investigating things or how does it usually go?

13:19 Yeah? Yeah, So generally it started out with just me and Boots on the Ground and I would go to these locations where the these people who had you know, stop me or flag me down these reports that I've gotten. I started going to those specific locations that they had given me and researching them. And then slowly people in the group, you know, would started to get interested and wanted to participate. So now I have a small group. There are five of us and then myself, so six altogether. So yeah, and then we just that's what we do.

14:02 And then I also have sometimes I have people like Priscilla from Oakbridge, and I had Jimmy from Washington come down. So I have different people come down and do research with me, you know, who have areas of expertise or whatever. So yeah, so I started learning. Yeah, I started learning the trails and sweet Home and I know the system. Now. I went up to the ranger station and I asked them for a map, and I also asked them for reports, and they're not allowed to take reports. However, they do tell me that they get a lot of reports, and they tell me they give me the locations of where they get the reports from. So anybody who's listening who wants to you know, find out more about their area, go to the ranger station. They don't they're not supposed to take reports, but if you find the right one, they'll talk to you.

15:00 So I think that's just really that's a huge takeaway for it. For listeners, it sounds like you got you got the relationship going with the Rangers. You were probably you know, nice, just shelley, bubbly, just the way you are, and they're like, well, yeah, let's let's contact this person from here on out, which is really cool. Or maybe you go there every every week or so and you're like, hey, anything new. I don't know how you do it, but it is pretty. I go there about once a month. Yeah, yeah, once a month. I'll go in there and you know, see if they have any new maps or any new information, you know, and make sure I go in there when the right people are working, you know, absolutely.

15:45 Yeah, your area has come up a few times on the podcast the I Believe I talked to a lady about some weird things that happened up in Green Pewter Reservoir area, And of course, you know, you don't have to confirm or deny since you know, you're not really saying locations, which is fine, but yeah, but there are episodes out there on the same podcast where you can listen to sweet Home Things. But you know, so the question for you is, so you move to this area, you're starting to get the reports from people on the street, from the rangers. It's really getting interesting. Is there a time when you first have an actual encounter or something weird happen in this area to yourself?

16:32 Absolutely? Absolutely so. In the summer of twenty four, right after I started the group, I started finding a lot of structures and footprints in a couple of different camping areas and also logging areas up off of Highway twenty and so I didn't really in this area. I didn't really get a lot. I went up to Washington and I did some research up there with a friend of mine, and I had some experiences like rock clapping and stuff like that, but I didn't really start I didn't visually see anything until this summer, and so this is when it all started to happen, And so I went up.

17:22 I guess I'll just I'll start with the summer. I went up in the spring to one of the local campgrounds. It was two days after they had actually opened. It was like, I think they opened on May seventh, and I went on the ninth or something like that, and we were driving down a trail and it was a group camp, so all the group camp sites were locked, the gates were locked, but the trail was open. And we were one of my research partners and I were in We were driving in my car down the trail and it's an out and back. So we're driving down the trail and I thought I saw to the left of me like a head and shoulders and a back or something. And I didn't know right away if it was a bear or what it was. So I hurried up and stopped the car. And when I stopped the car, a tree was blocking me, so I had to back up.

18:20 So I stopped the car, backed up, took me about thirty four seconds, and I looked again, and that head and shoulders that still had the back to me. And mind you, the bushes, the very bushes and stuff like that were really high, so it was really thick, thick, kind of prickly stuff that you would have to truck through. So he was about ten feet away, and then when I backed up and looked, he was like another thirty feet away. And it was so strange, it was like time laps. So I was like okay, And I looked down and I said, look at that. Look look and I grabbed my phone and as I lifted my phone up, it had moved another like thirty or forty feet to the left, so it was behind me. I couldn't really turn around, and you know, so I backed up again and it disappeared. So just like that, it was like boom, boom boom, and it was gone. And I was just like, okay, what just happened here? Because this is not normal. Like I said, it was kind of like time laps, so it was really just kind of in pictures almost. I didn't see it move, and so that was my first experience. Wow.

19:44 And yeah, it startled me and I thought, well, maybe I'm going crazy. I don't know, you know, because it wasn't normal. It definitely wasn't natural. Man, I want to hang out there for a minute. So that just it is so very interesting. So you saw it from the back view, head and shoulders back. How tall would you say it was? Approximately? Oh, at least six feet? Okay, I know that if I if I would have stood up, it would have you know, towered at least ahead or so above me. And would you say it was a certain color.

20:25 Yeah, it was like a like a reddish brown, but it was on the softer side, so like a pale reddish brown. Okay. At any time did you see a front view of it or was it always from the back view? Never? It was always from the back or from the back side. But I didn't get a profile of it. Gotcha? Were you able to were you able to see what maybe the shape of the head looked like even from the back. Yeah, it was conical, definitely conical, and it I didn't have ears, and that's why I thought at first it could have been a bear. But then I was like, it doesn't look like a bear. It looks like that's the only thing I could associate with it because I've never seen it in real life, you know what I mean.

21:14 So the first thing you think of is what can I compare it to? And I thought, well, it's got to be a bear, but no, not the way that it moved. No, it's you also said something really interesting, which I hear come up a lot, and which is when you have a sighting of something immediately or soon after, sometimes the person will jump to I'm not crazy. I'm not crazy, because it is so jarring, right, and I've heard that come up multiple times. So was this the thing that really, like, were you already over the one hundred percent mark or did this like really push you over once you had this actual sighting?

21:58 Yeah, this pushed me over. I was like at ninety nine percent just because I had such a strong pull to it. You know, my childhood was surrounded with you know, this this thing, and but this pushed me over one hundred percent. My goodness, It's just it is absolutely wild. The person. So there was another person with you, right. Yeah, so this I had my one of my research partners, Tammy Virus with me. Okay, yeah, but she didn't see it. She did not say I pointed. I was like look, Tammy, look, and she just she did not see it. Oh but something I forgot something when we had So it was an in and out trail. So we went down and returned around and came back. And as we were leaving that trail, something was in those bushes right alongside the car on Tammy's side, which would have been the same side that I had saw the creature on. Something was moving the bushes and I would stop the car and Tammy and say the bushes are moving, they're moving, you know, and I'd start the car and they'd start moving again.

23:08 And it did that almost all the way off the trail, but we never saw anything in the bushes. Wow. What What an incredible thing to experience. Also, if people are listening and they are thinking the same thing, like, oh, I'm crazy for seeing this, You're not. You are You're not crazy. It's just this is a thing where it's very unique to see and it's a special thing for you to see. So don't think you're crazy again. Absolutely. Oh man, So after you had that sighting, did that how did that affect you? Did you have any out of place emotions or thoughts or did it make your life weird? For a while?

23:54 It did well. It made me want to go back out there, and it made me want to just I kind of started obsessing over it, like I need to be out there. I need to you know, I need to figure out what this was and what it meant, because I felt like it was there. There was a reason why I saw it. So I felt like, you know, at their head, this can't be it, you know what I mean, Like there's a message. I don't know what it is, but I need to find out, you know. So yeah, so I went up. I started going out very often, like two, three, four times a week even, and I started, you know, doing the trail, all the trails up there in that area really hardcore. And as a matter of fact, one of the specific trail is one of the trails that the ranger told me that they had had sightings on. So so I was taking the trails and I took another friend up there with me, who is not to be named because he wants to remain anonymous, and him and I together we were finding structures and prints. And one time when we were coming out of this long trail, I was driving probably about ten or fifteen miles an hour that's usually my speed limit back there, and I was watching in front of me, and probably about I would say, maybe two hundred feet

25:24 in front of me, I saw two black shadow, well one black shadow, but I saw it twice. It crossed the road and then it came back really quickly, and I stopped the car and I told my friend, I said, what is going on up here? There's something going on. I just saw something. And just as he looked up, we both saw it again, and he was just like, wait, did you just see blah blah blah, And I said, yeah, that's exactly what I saw. So I saw it twice and then you saw it once, and you know, so I saw it three times. So we saw that and we I then I had to research that, you know, like there's a lot of different stories about the shadow people of the forest and how they're messengers or protectors or you know things like that. So yeah, that was my Yeah, it was really intense, also life changing. You know, did you.

26:27 After you've had these experiences, did you notice any change in dreams at all? No, not at all, which is really surprising to me because since I've been in Sweet Home, I have not had any of my previous dreams that I have had, and none about Sasquatch. Yeah, and so that was another thing, Jeremiah that things for reminded me. I felt like, because I was missing those dreams, I was missing something and I wanted to communicate with them, and I felt like maybe I was in the right It made me feel like Sweet Home was the right spot because they were actually reaching out to me and communicating with me in real life now, like we switched from one medium to another.

27:19 That's really cool. It's like, we don't have to we don't have to do that anymore because she's right there. That is actually really. Exactly exactly yeah yeah. So ah So anyways, I got stopped. I got flagged after that. I got flagged down by a logger at the bank one time. Actually I was it was it's a funny story. I was over in the line at Dairy Queen. I was getting ice cream with my daughter and he was over at the bank and he yelled at me. He's like, hey, have your phone bigfoot yet, you know. And so we're talking. We're yelling back and forth, and we exchanged numbers and he's a great guy. He ended up telling me about a spot up in Quartzville. And Quartzville is where Green Peter Reservoir is, and it is full of water and it is full of quarts and it is one of the most energetic places I have ever been. I love it there.

28:24 I spend all my time, and all the locals love it there too. That's like their playground, you know. So so I went up there and I hung out, you know, every day or every other day for a couple of weeks in the spring. This was still spring and I took my anonymous friend up there with me again, and we were cruising around and we found a spot where there was just a really fresh, beautiful a canopy of moss on top of asphalt. So it was an old blogging road and the road had been blocked off by concrete barriers. And we pulled up to the concrete barrier, and I'd been there a couple times before that week, and I wanted to show him because I thought it was just so beautiful with all the moss and everything was a beautiful spot. And we pulled down and we could tell that the moss was pulled up like there was something going on, something that ran through there. And he said, well, hold on a second, let me get out and check it out. So he got out, and he walked out about maybe about fifty feet or so, and he turns around and looks at me and he he, you know, does that beckoning call with his finger, like come here, you know. So I got out of the car, and as soon as I got to the other side of the barrier, there were just bigfootprints everywhere like they

29:58 had just ran through their and you can see it's kind of a downward slope and you could see a slot like there would be slides that were like two three four feet long, and then a footprint. And this went on for maybe gosh, I don't know, maybe about one hundred or two hundred yards. So there was I quit counting after I got to fifty. I lost track. There were elk prints too. Later on, I took somebody up there with me and I showed it to him, and he showed me that some of them were elk prints, and he showed he stuck his fingers in the moss and he pushed it back and he showed me, so this is what an elk print looks like, but this is what a big footprint looks like. So there were elk and big footprints. And at the time when I had first I actually recorded it. It's on the web or on the Facebook page. Actually Priscilla recorded it, and I didn't know that at that time, but I know that now. So yeah, so we were like, okay, this is the place, you know. And a couple of weeks after that, I was driving through with Tammy and Lee Sanford.

31:15 She's in my group, she's one of my research she's actually one of the original researchers and we were driving together down that road and I looked kind of looking forward, and then I kind of glanced off to the left a little bit, and this bigfoot appeared right in front of me and from the toes up, just kind of manifested and was standing there in between two trees, and I could see like it was it was absolutely an organic figure. It had hair, I could see it fingers, and then just as quick as it appeared, it disappeared.

32:06 And I stopped the car and I told Tammy and Lee, I said, did you guys see that? And I started hyperventilating because it was it startled me, and They're like, no, what are you talking about. I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. This is twice now that I've seen them with somebody, but they haven't, you know. So then I started really thinking, Okay, God, what's wrong with me? You know, Like, am I manifesting this myself or what? But Jeremiah, this is the interesting thing is when I got home, I cried about it for about twenty minutes. I was so upset because nobody else saw what I saw, and it spoke to me and it told me I have been with you your whole life. I've been protecting you. So I met him. He was the one in my dream.

33:09 Okay, wow, oh that's awesome. Yeah, I know it still gives me goose bumps when I think about it. But that's when, like around the time that I started having I guess telepathy with them or visions. It's more like visions of you know, seeing things and stuff. When I went down to the footprints, I remember I turned around and I looked, and I was like, where did they come from? And I thought, there's a road, there's another road. There a trail that goes up and then it's blocked by a bunch of trees and stuff. But then on the corner there's some trails and there's an old what do you call it the line where like the loggers used to use to run the logs down the hill. I forget what it's called.

34:02 It's like a spit spit line or something or I don't know, Yeah, I forget what it's called. But anyways, that's a you know, it would be a good trail, especially for big game and stuff. But in my mind, I saw them come down that the paved asphalt trail, and I said, that's where they came from. And the person I was with was like, no, no, no, I think they came from up there where that old bogging trail is up on the hill. And I was like, no, they came down the asphalt. So I drove up there and lo and behold, there's a whole bunch of prints going all the way back and over those trees logs that were lying down over the asphalt. So and there's also a moss up there on the sides of the road and the asphalt. So that's where I saw the prince was in that moss right there, these visions start happening or this telet that the starts happening, you know, Yeah.

35:02 That's exactly where I wanted to go. So that is that just started happening this year in twenty twenty five. Yes, yeah, yeah, that just started happening this spring in May, as soon as I, you know, really started getting into these trails up here in Courtsville. Yeah. So that's that's extremely interesting, and it kind of there's there's a theory I have which is people go to certain areas, especially in the Pacific Northwest, that are like, I don't want to say, well, kind of heavily charged with bigfoot activity, like really really charged, like we're talking like, you know, Oak Cole is probably another example of this, And after they go away from there, sometimes stuff will kick in. They'll start experiencing the same exact things that you just mentioned, which is maybe things like telepathy or you know, sometimes I talked to many, many people that went up to that area in Oakridge and then they started having really intense dreams and related phenomenons. So I don't know exactly what it is, but it really lines up with how you're explaining what you're experiencing.

36:23 Yeah. Yeah, when he told me, I I wanted to mention too that when he told me that he was protecting me my whole life, Jeremiah, that rings true because I needed that kind of protection when I was younger, because I was surrounded by a few really bad people, but I didn't experience the badness as bad as I could have. So that resonates with me, Like I do believe that I had some kind of spiritual protection during that time in my life. It could have been way worse, you know what I mean. Absolutely, So yeah, knowing you know, you have a lot of knowledge about this area and living in the Pacific Northwest, and this is just a really active bigfoot area.

37:14 Have you. Are most of the things that you hear relatively peaceful encounters when a person has a sighting, or are there times when things can escalate or bluff charges things like that. That's a really great question, and I've been studying that. So during the spring and summer, they are very peaceful interactions. There's no aggression. It's usually family oriented or you know, it's just some guys outfish and whatever. They don't start getting aggressive until hunting seasons starts, and both seasons starts August thirty first, and in August mid August is when these reports start getting aggressive.

38:12 Yeah, it makes sense that you have humans going out there with their weapons, and of course things might get aggressive, right. I would too if someone came out to my house with something. With a grocery sack and like started taking food out of your refrigerator. That's what I compare it to. You know, it's like they're competing for a food source now, so you know, they're like, hey, okay, just get out of here, you know, yeah, totally. So recently I wanted to tell you this. This is I know that I had scheduled an appointment to talk to you earlier, but that was during the time when I was having a lot of stuff going around going on around me with the bigfoots, and I wanted to wait and kind of write it out and see what else was going to happen. And so this happened four weeks ago and I was driving down Quartzville Road and actually it had started. I had meetings on the last Saturday of every month. We all meet at this place called the Damn Bar in Sweet Home, and you know, it's for anybody who was interested in talking about bigfoot. You know, we gather, we hang out, and then you know, we go out squatch and afterwards that's really fun. And most of the time I have one of my group members, Eric Massey. He's one of

39:44 my advans. I love him to death. He's a squatcher through and through. He comes all the way from Ben and he camps because that's kind of a long drive, you know. So he camps up in Quartsville and we always go up there and we go up to that spot now I call it my spot, the sweet Spot, and we camp. And so one night, this was four weeks ago, at our last meeting, we went up there and nothing was happening. It was super quiet, and I'm so close, like as the crow flies. I'm probably about maybe fifteen miles maybe twenty at the most away from my spot, you know, so it takes me about an hour to get home. I was like, dude, there's that.

40:28 I'm not camping tonight. I'm gonna go home. I want to sleep in my bed and I'll be back at six o'clock in the morning. And he's like, all right, cool. You know. He had his fiance with him, so he wasn't alone, you know. And so I headed down the hill. I was excited because I wanted to see how fast I could get down the hill in the dark. So I time myself and it took like seven minutes. I was like, wow, this is awesome. I'm driving down the road, Quartsville Road, and I get to this really popular camp site and there's a curve and right as I come around the curve, right straight in front of me, about fifty two one hundred feet in front of me is two sets of red glowing eyes. And there's one set on the left side of me that's really low to the ground, really low to the ground, like its head was on the ground, and then to the right there was another set of eyes that was from the side of the road. From the ground, it was probably about four feet or maybe five feet up in the air, so it was relatively low to the ground. And the first I instantly slowed way down, almost to a complete stop.

41:49 As a matter of fact, I think I did stop for a moment completely, And I remember thinking right away, who is in the woods in the middle of the night. It was ten thirty. It was ten thirty at night, in pitch dark, with like steampunk goggles, you know, That's the first thing I thought of. I'm like, who has steampunk goggles in the mill of nite on Quartzville Road. This is just crazy. So I started sneaking up. I'm going about ten miles an hour, and I'm sneaking up to them. I'm getting really really close to them, and I'm just looking at them. And then I noticed that their eyes are kind of shaped. They're about as big around as a large a large chicken egg, and they're so far apart they would each eye would be. You could measure it by probably putting the eggs on the side of my head. That's how far apart. Their eyes were and I thought, this isn't an owl. There's no you know, it's not an owl. Their heads aren't that big.

42:54 It's not an elk. You know, elks are huge, they have horns. You know. All these things are running through my head. And the one to the right behind the tree, and I say she because it just gave me that feminine energy. I could see a silhouette and she kind of had curly hair, and she would look she'd look at me, and then she's kind of standing sideways behind a tree, so I can only see her from the shoulder off, and she'd look at me, and then she'd turn around and look behind her. And she did that maybe three or four times. She was trying to pay attention to something that was behind her. And then I looked over at the one on the ground and it kind of locked eyes with me. To the one on the left hand side of the road. It locked eyes with me, and it didn't take its eyes off me.

43:52 It just kept his eyes on me the whole time. I looked back to the right to that one, and she was doing the same thing, and she was kind of making it was like a weird motion. It was like a real delicate kind of sway. And then I looked over again at the one on the left, and I was so close I was almost even with and my headlights went over its back, and as it did that, it's back kind of rippled and like this sparkly kind of glow, like an iridescent kind of glow, and it just it watched me pass and my window was down.

44:35 Never once did I have the feeling like I should roll my window up. I didn't. I wasn't scared. It didn't make me feel uneasy. It just made me like, wonder, what is it? You know? And yeah, So I passed through both, in between both of them, and he's literally ten feet away from me. He's right on the side of the road, and I passed between them, and I remember I slowed down right down again once I got probably about one and a half two car links away from them, and I looked in my rear view mirror and I couldn't see anything, nothing at all. I was like, Okay. I took a deep breath, and I drove home, and I thought about it a little bit and I was like, oh, I don't whatever. I got to be up at six o'clock in the morning. So I went to bed and I came back at six through at six o'clock in the morning, and I remember I stopped and I looked, and I saw that on the side, on the driver's side, where the one was really low to the ground, there's a culver there, and if you were to stand in it and bend over, you would be even with the ground with you know, your head would be on the ground on the side of the road. The calver is probably about four feet deep at least. And then I looked on the other side of the road and the grass is all pushed down, and also there is a calvert.

46:02 And later on me and my other friend went up there and checked it out, and there's a footprint there and if you would stand, if you would stand where that creature was standing, it would be about seven to eight feet tall. That is incredible. When you were driving down there that night, So did you have lights on whatever it was or we did you have your lights off? Yeah? No, So when I came around the corner, I had my bright lights on and when I saw them, instantly I flicked down to my dims. Okay, because I didn't I didn't want to blind them, you know, and just instant reaction. I just flicked them down to my dims and I kept my dims on until I passed them because I didn't, like I said, I didn't want to blind them, you know, I was just thinking trying to be courteous, you know. And this was before I had my floodlights on. Like a few days after that, I ordered floodlights for my car. I was like, I need floodlights. And also I got cameras for my car too, So now I have front and back cameras. I wish I would have had them during that time.

47:11 But yeah, after you put the cameras in, did you notice that you were still having things happen when you're driving around different places or did that kind of did that peter out? Yeah, petered out? Yep, Yeah, yep. So I started just recently, within the past couple of weeks, I started actually turning my cameras off when I drive into certain places because I don't want to. I feel like they know, you know, they know, they don't want to be seen. And I have a theory about their eyes too. I think that because I've I posted about it in my group and in the Sasquatch Highway because I admin that group as well, and I posted about it asking people, you know, hey, have you seen these red glowing eyes? Not yellow, not blue, not you know, purple, whatever red glowing eyes and what people's theories are on it. And I've come to a conclusion that I don't think it has anything to do with them being evil or you know, a dog man or anything like that. And my personal belief, this is my personal belief. I believe that it could be a way for them to signal to other sasquatch that they're with that you know here I am, That's how they keep track of each other, you know. Or it could even be like a night vision for them, like that's

48:41 how they see at night. I would say, I have heard some similar things, and I think you are on a very interesting track. I'll leave it at that. Yeah, Yeah, it's still new. That's where I'm leaning at least. Yeah. You mentioned that your research area goes up to Detroit sometimes Detroit, Oregon. I drove up through there on the way to Esta Kaida after the festival last year. Detroit is such an interesting area. I mean, it was it's very hard to explain. It's beautiful. You have the island in the middle of Detroit Lake. But it's just something about I mean, it feels heavy in there. It's very weird.

49:35 I tried to talk to a few people. I was stopping at random places. No one was really wanting to talk. It was interesting. Yeah, have you had anything interesting happen up there in Detroit. Not anything out of the ordinary, aside from that heavy feeling that you talk about. So when we go up there, we camp on the south side of the lake, and that area actually backs up to Quartzville area, so they're connected. You can actually take the trails back there and you can drive all the way to Detroit Lake from Quartzville and it's awesome. It's so because it goes through the old Santium Forest and everything else. But as far as Detroit Lake goes, it's just a feeling. It's that heavy feeling.

50:28 But yeah, no, we've never never, but I've heard so many reports of that area. That area in Highway twenty two, twenty two is the one that goes through Detroit and the lakes. On the north side of twenty two. There's a lake up there called Fay Lake that I research a lot, and I have quite a few reports of them being very aggressive up there, and it's usually during hunting season, and it's men who take their campers up there. They'll actually throw rocks and sticks and shake the campers at night when they're sleeping. Oh my god.

51:09 Okay, yeah you said, did you say Fay Lake. Say f a y Yeah. Okay Fay. I was like, Fae that would be interesting, So f a y Lake now mm hmm, because you brought it up again, and I was like, if she brings it up again, I'm gonna I'm gonna ask a little bit more. So. You mentioned that this area does have a lot of aggressive reports. Are there any that you can and think of in particular or it's just you find certain patterns in these reports that usually come out when it's an aggressive report. M hmm. Well, I there's a gentleman that I talked to. Him and his brother in law. I've both had experiences up there during hunting season with their campers, and yeah, it was just the rock throwing at the camp and then the shaking of the campers. And he told me that his brother in law was so frightened that he just he hooked his trailer back up and left that night before it even got daylight. He was odd of there and he won't go back. So but the gentleman who gave me the report, he told me he's really cautious when he goes up there. He pays attention to his surroundings. And you know, and I notice a lot of people too, like they won't a lot of these hunters they want to remain anonymous because they're like flesh and blood, you know. But when they go out into the forest, they'll talk to him and they'll be like, hey, I'm here peacefully. I don't you know, mean you any harm.

52:42 I'm just I just want to get my deer for the winner and go, you know. And I noticed that when they when they talk to him and just you know, tell them their intentions and manifest that spiritual protection or whatever, that they'll have better experiences out there. Oh wow, So you're these are a actual hunters that are talking in a way that you you might not normally hear hunters talk. But it seems like they're aware of that we better do this or there could be could be issues. Absolutely fascinating.

53:24 Yeah, it really is. Because I want to mention too, like they will that changed them. Those experiences that they had with Bigfoot changed them and made them more like spiritual beings. You know absolutely, I mean that would that would really change you? Did I tell you? Actually, I wouldn't have been able to tell you because this happened after the festival. I don't know if if you've heard. So I was up in oak hole and I actually did try speaking out loud to the forest. What happened? Nice that happened? It was weird.

54:05 It was really weird. Shelley. So it's in you know where o Cole is, right, Yeah, I. Was there a couple of weeks ago with Persilla. Yeah, so you met you know the meadow, right, So picture the meadow and then there's that opening in the back. So I was. I was walking back in that opening behind the meadow and I was like, hey, if there's anything here, can you make a noise? And like half a second later there was there was like a three knocks in the woods, and I was like, oh my goodness, And I said it again. I tried it because I was like, that just had to be you know, that just had to be like coincidence, right. So I did the same thing again, and the same thing happened, and I was like, I'm out of here, Like I was, I'm getting back to Ronnie and those guys. I should walked, I should have walked into the woods, but I was like, I don't want to. I'm I'm out here. Yeah that's not smart, right, Yeah, it was awesome, it was it was freaky.

55:10 Yeah, I bet. I remember Priscilla telling me about that, but she didn't tell me who it was. But now I know. Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. Yeah. I was still stuck there a couple of weeks ago, and this is this is another really cool thing, Jeremiah that I figured out. So, like, I'm really into maps and mapping and like lay lines and stuff like that. So I've been studying the region and I finally figured out a couple of weekends ago when I was up at Oak Hole. We went over to al Moonlab and checked that out for a bit. That Quartsville, Oak Cole and all Moonlab make a perfect triangle on the map. That crazy. Yes, and Mackenzie Watershed runs right through it. Yeah, and Mackenzie Watershed is a huge place. They have a huge lot tons of reports out of there. Yeah, okay, wow, crazy, I know, I know it.

56:12 Yeah, I've actually never heard that term before. Mackenzie Watershed. Is that just a term for region in that area? Or well, the Mackenzie River runs through there, Okay, so and Okol and Almon Lab and Quartzville are all. They all have like a lot of quartz and stuff, a lot of rock, you know, it's up in the mountains of course, but the quartz in particular is it's an energy rock. You know, it's a conduit. So with the water and everything, with Mackenzie River being right there, I have a theory that it's just a really really powerful energy point in that whole area.

56:58 Absolutely. I remembers I've heard and talked to so many people over these it was either a conversation with Tobe or an interview with Tobe where he was talking about where's That's pretty much what Henry Franzoni would bring up about the Al Moon Lab areas. There's so much quartz and also you have the water as well, and it just it potentially charges it, right, which is absolutely interesting to think of. And I think that's yeah, that's my Oa. Cole and al Moon Lamb in Quartsville are so active and there's so many reports coming out of those areas is because and I kind of feel like too, like the attitude is different. They're not, as far as I know, even in Oak Hole and Al Moonlab, they're not super aggressive and they're more willing to communicate. So maybe that might have something to do with it. It could.

57:54 I'm trying to think real quick. Well, let's see, I the only aggressive thing would be and this is This is all in how you'd interpret it, because you've got Ronnie and Dwaine's encounter. Ronnie made the noise that was aggressive, and I think that was kind of a bluff charge thing, an extended bluff charge for multiple hours kind of aggressive. But yeah, everything else, you know, you're capturing language and voices on audio sometimes up there. Have you had anything out of the ordinary happen up there at all? Yeah, So most of the stuff that I've experienced has been electronic. So when we were up there, when I was up there with Priscilla a couple of weeks ago, we were having a lot of equipment malfunctions, our cameras, audio, everything was just malfunctioning. I think Ben drove up there, Persilla's son, and he something was going weird with his car.

58:56 Or his car battery or something. I also have a lot of electronic malfunctions over in my area with my car, not with any of my equipment, but the mirrors on my car. So I've got a twenty seventeen out back, so I have eyesight and it's a you know, it's a limited edition, so it's got the works. And on my mirrors, I have that blind spot sensor. It'll blink when there's a car in my blind spot. And this has only happen up at Quartzville. On Quartzville Road at night, those sensors will occasionally go off, and it's so weird because first the one on the left will go off, or the one on the right will go off, and then directly after the one on the left will go off, kind of like something's running behind my car, you know, and there's there's no cars or anything behind me. So I get that all lot up there.

1:00:02 Yeah, that's that's the kind of thing that makes you makes you think for sure when when you hear stuff like that, just very very weird stuff. You said that you go over to Sisters as well, is that right? Yeah? Sisters area, Yeah, it's we go up to Santiam Junction and then Tombstone Passes up there and everything, and then towards Sisters. I haven't done any overnight camps or anything up there, but it's a beautiful place I do have. There's been several members in the group who have seen structures and footprints up and Sisters, So okay, I need to I need to do a little more exploring up there.

1:00:49 Yeah, it's it's really an interesting area. I stayed at a place called Subtle Lake there after the festival for a few days and drove up to a place called Camp Sherman, which a beautiful area. I mean it's like a trout fishing vacation area, but it's like, yeah, you get out in those woods, it's a whole different time period for sure. You just feel like you're back in the fifties or something. It's weird, right, Yeah, it's really weird. That's like up at Courtzville there's old logging cabins that you can't really get to, but you can see them if you stop. I mean you look over the hill and down and you can see these old logging cabins that had probably been abandoned for one hundred years. You know. That's so cool.

1:01:37 Since we're talking about Quartzville, have you do you have any thoughts about the whole Giant store thing. I do. I actually I researched that area. Now. You know, we all know about the video that went viral, and then there's been a couple other videos of people repelling down that rope. There's a rope there, and I don't advise anybody to do it because it's a very steep slope and the rope ends abruptly thirty feet off the ground and if you were to fall, you would definitely hurt yourself. But there had been bigfoot. There's two that I know of bigfoot reportings of somebody seeing one on top of that ridge up there. But as far as the door goes, the only thing I've really heard about that is that video that went viral and then a couple of other people who checked it out. I don't really it doesn't It doesn't really pique my interest all that much.

1:02:44 It's just it's one of those weird, you know, kind of viral TikTok things. And then when I found out where it was, I was like, oh, yeah, okay, well that kind of makes sense. But you know, with the sweet Home group, Shelle, do you have a a goal in mind? You know, why is it that that you want to keep growing this group? What is it that you guys are working towards. Yeah, so, I think in the beginning I wanted to be able to connect with somebody in this way because of my special interest in it and because I just I needed that support at that time in my life.

1:03:30 And there's several things about the group, like I don't you know as far as growing it, that's I'm not interested in growing that. I admin for the Sasquatch Highway and you know his group. Ken's group is huge, and I love that it's growing every day, and it's it's a perfect place for everybody to go. My group is I vet everybody very carefully because of privacy issues, because of beliefs. If you don't believe in Bigfoot, I don't particularly think that my group would be good for you. If you're interested, or you have an open mind, or you want to know more and explore, by all means, please come join us, you know, but I can't. I for number one, one of my pet peeves is people trolling on the internet. I hate it. I don't It's unnecessary it's the past time I can't get into you know what I mean. So it's it's a serious group.

1:04:35 And so now my goal for the group is just exploration and research. I just the more researchers I know, the more I learn, and I love that. It's it's ultimately it's for me, you know, it's for my own you know, source of information and education. But anybody is welcome to join. Just know that you'll be vetted. So if you don't believe, Yeah, if you don't believe, then go somewhere else. Right, It is a really good group. You do a really good job with keeping drama and stuff out of it, and I appreciate that as a member.

1:05:19 Thank you. As our time starts to to wrap up, I do I'm curious just because of you know, the way you view things in your background, having also had a few visuals, do you have any thoughts about, you know, what a bigfoot actually is when we are or what a sasquatch actually? Yeah, yeah, I think it's real, and I think it's a flesh and blood type creature who has the abilities that we either can't haven't been able to really tap into yet, or abilities that we've lost over you know the ages. I think that it's there's a reason why it's here. And I believe that once you're tagged, you're tagged, and that if you have one experience, you will continue to have more experiences upon their discretion. I don't think that they're by chance. I think that there's a purpose.

1:06:30 I do think that some people have, you know, happened to come upon them accidentally or something like that. But I think that a lot of these people, a lot of the serious researchers in the community, they've been tagged and they've been chosen, and there's so much more to learn, and I think we're starting to finally come into that age of you know what exactly it is. I don't know exactly what it is, what the message is, but it could just be personal for each one of us. It could just be a personal message, and each one of our messages is different. But they're spiritual. There's something metaphysical about them, and it's magical and it's I'm going to start crying, that's a way to put it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's awesome, And that's just how I feel about them.

1:07:27 Yeah, Mi, Shelley, this has been a great conversation. I want to say thank you so much for coming on the show. I want to make sure you were able to share everything that you had wanted to share on the show today as we start to close out. Yeah, I think I did want to mention that just recently I got some really cool photos up on the ridge in Quartsville of what I think could be portal, So I don't know if you guys are interested in that, then head over to the Sweet Home organ Sasquatch research group page and check that out. The photos are there.

1:08:11 I get a lot of conflicting reports from photographers and stuff like that, but I think they're really interesting and they do coincide with some things that I've seen up there. So yeah, but that's it. I think we covered everything, Jeremiah. That's fantastic up until today, which is pretty awesome actually. And I'll have the link for Shelley's group in the description or show notes for this episode guys, so you can easily find it. But thank you so much for coming on the show, Shelley, and look forward to being able to talk to you in person next year as well.

1:08:52 Absolutely, I can't wait. Thank you, Jeremiah, thank. You for listening to this episode of The Big Society Podcast, every encounter reminds us that the world is bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure to subscribe to the channel on YouTube, hit the bells you don't miss the next episode, and share this with a friend who's into mysteries, monsters, or the unexplained. And if you're listening to us on Spotify or Apple podcast, please follow the show there and leave us a five star positive review because all that helps more people discover the show. And remember, if you or someone you know has had a Bigfoot sighting, please I'd love to hear from you, so email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com and let's start the conversation.

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