Oct. 3, 2025

Sasquatch Crawled Behind Him! | California

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Season 1

What happens when a quiet night in Fort Bragg, California turns into a terrifying brush with the unknown? In this gripping episode, we sit down with Jack Bowers — a lifelong collector of Bigfoot stories and firsthand witness to one of the strangest close encounters ever told. Jack recounts a chilling 1962 incident where a Sasquatch pressed its face against a family’s screen door, just inches away. You’ll hear about handprints left behind, dog food mysteriously vanishing, eggs disappearing from a coop, and how it all ended with a hasty move out of the area. We also dive into decades of Bigfoot lore from the Pacific Northwest, including a harrowing sighting in Mount Rainier National Park, strange tales from Mount St. Helens, and rumors of government coverups after the 1980 eruption. This episode is packed with history, mystery, and stories that just might change what you believe.

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You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the.

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Voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in,

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because today you'll hear another account that just might change

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the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us,

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all right, big the Society. You've got the privilege of

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talking to mister Jack Bowers today. Jack is an individual

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who likes to refer to himself as a collector of

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Bigfoot stories from out in the great state of Washington.

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And welcome to the show, Jack. How are you doing today?

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Doing fine? Doing fine?

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Thank you absolutely.

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You know I'm a big fan of You've had a

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few episodes over on the Salish Sasquatch Channel. We're good

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friends to that channel over here. Your love love those

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guys Jonathan and Sarah Brown, great great people. But you

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know you've reached out and we got connected, and it's

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a privilege to have you on the show today to

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have a conversation about what you have collected over the

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years with your stories. But you know, let's start with

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this Jack. Is there something that first got you into

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the subject. Do you remember when you first started getting

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into bigfoot in your life?

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Oh? Yeah, very much so. My aunt spokes lived in

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Fort Bragg, California, and they had an experience with Bigfoot,

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mister Bigfoot on their property where the animal and I

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refer to them as animal. I don't know if we've

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made that connection exactly yet, but anyway, it poked his

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head right in the screen door and they were about

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two feet away from it, and they shared that with me.

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That was hook enough. I've been on it ever since.

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And that is nineteen sixty two, so we go back

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a bit.

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Oh my goodness. So that incident was I mean pre

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Patterson Gimlin film by about seven years.

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Yes, or five years, sorry, five years. I want to

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get into that and talk about it a little bit.

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It's because it's kind of interesting. It was, if you

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don't mind. It was nineteen fifty eight when Jerry Cruz,

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who was a bulldozer operator in California, in that near

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area run across the set of footprints in the dust

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after I think he was walking the grade after he bulldozed,

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or it was the first thing in the morning or

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some such. Anyway, he came across the footprints and they

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intrigued him enough. He had no idea what they were,

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just like a lot of us, and he got ahold

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of the gentleman from the He was another guy with

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a journalist at the Humboldt Times and the Buff Creek Times.

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His name was Andrew Gizzoli, and he came out there,

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took pictures, wrote up an article on it. And that

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was nineteen fifty eight, and so that kind of started

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the local interest anyway in Bigfoot. And by the way,

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that was the year that Jeff Meldrum was born. And

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I hate to see his passion because he's he was

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a superb individual.

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He really was.

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Yeah, rest in peace, definitely, Yeah.

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Yep, absolutely. In nineteen sixty two, still, I mean, there

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was an occasional story with leak out and around, but nobody,

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nobody had really took it to heart, you might say,

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matter of fact. Really, in fact, it hasn't been until

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the last few years that and some of the some

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of the TV programs and movies and whatnot, really have

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launched into a more complete dissertation, you might say, of

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what's going on in the Bigfoot community. They've been there

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all along. They've been there in antiquity, probably much longer

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than you and I have been part of the scene.

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So in any event, my in laws lived in Fort Bragg, California,

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and that's right on the coast, real coast of the coast.

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Matter of fact, careful you you'll get your face washed

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right there. But anyway, and they looked out of town

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a little bit, and their names Bud and Angie Jenkins

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and her brother Bud kind of shared the same house

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from time to time because Bud and Bob would team

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up on trucking adventures of sorts, hauling preate and went on,

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and so to make things work, Bobby come over and

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spend the night, and they'd get up together and go anyway,

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it was in February of sixty two that Angie had

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to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night,

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about three o'clock I guess it was, she says, and

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got up. I was heading for the bathroom. She happened

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to look out the living room door, I mean window rather,

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and she saw something towering above their six foot fence,

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and she thought it was a bear, and so she

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didn't want that cred or whatever it was in her garden.

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And she went back to.

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The bedroom and told Bud, get up, get the shotgunners

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a bear in my in my garden and in course

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of the vegetable garden, a little bit of everything.

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And so he's kind of groggy and everything's just he

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was sound asleep when he woke him up, and he

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wanted to know where the shotgun was. Well, she had

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moved it for one reason or another. So he's in

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there fumbling around looking for the shotgun. In the meantime, Bob,

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who was on the couch in the front room, woke up,

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and she expressed her interest in having that animal run

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out of her garden. And he said, I'll just run

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out here and yell at it, screamed at it, whatever

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it takes, and it'll be gone and we'll be okay.

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So he went through the front door and out down

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the side of the house in the meantime. In the meantime,

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Bud came out and he says, I got the shotgun

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where's the shells? And she says, I don't know. I

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put him somewhere and sounds like home to me. But anyway,

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the upshot is he says, well, where's Bob? And then

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she says, he went down the out around the back.

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He's going to yell at that bear, get rid of

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it and scare it off or whatever. And so they

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both walked up to the door. There was a there

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was the main door and then the screen door, and

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they pushed the screen door, well the other doors open.

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She puts the screen door open, and they both looked

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down the sidewalk on the side of the house and

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here comes Bob literally on his hands and knees, kind

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of almost lower than that, if you can imagine, He's

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crawling up the sidewalk, and right behind him, literally right

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behind him, is this animal towering over him and just

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walking along watching them, watching Bob crawl along, and Bud

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and Angie they went into kind of a shock. They

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didn't know what to do. Bob crawled into the house

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and they're trying to shut the door, and they couldn't

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get the door shut, and the animal would be and

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there's a reason for that animal had was right there

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at the door, bent over and looking at him from

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two feet maybe three at the most. I mean they're

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right on top of each other. Two of them are

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trying to get the door shut, and Bigfoot standing and

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are looking at him. And they said it had a

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very interesting look on its face. It had that look

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of pure curiosity and not anything of an aggravating or

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a caustic whatever look to it. Anyway, it had to

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bend over to look inside. An average door is seventy

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eight inches, and so so you take seventy eight inches

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and it still had to bend over to look in.

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I'm sure we're talking about an eighth foot specimen and

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that type of thing. Anyway, the upshot of the whole

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thing was that, thank you, they couldn't shut the screen

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door because because mister Bigfoot had hands on the sill

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and it was banging, the door frame was banging on

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the hand the screen door frame, and they couldn't get

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the door shut, and so without thinking, they backed up

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a little bit and shut the main door. It did shut.

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They're understanding there in shock, and the animal walked off,

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And I hope nobody gets all excited excited. I'm eighty

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years old enough I want to call it an animal,

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will I mean, I know that there's some talk about

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relic common it's and I'll buy that. I don't I

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don't have a problem with all that. But my general

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frame of reference is an animal. So anyway, the upshot

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is it wandered off back down the sidewalk side of

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the house, and the angie called the police right away

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from from Fort Bragg, and they didn't get out there

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until about four o'clock or better. And there's footprints, they

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cast the footprints and everything else of that nature. And

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there was a print on the on the door frame,

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post or whatever you would want to call it, and

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they left that there because the critter had his hands

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in the dirt somewhere on the line and left a

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dirty mark on the door. And that marked from heel

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to the tip of the fingers was eleven and a

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half inches. That's that's that's a big span. And anyway,

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Bob finally got his wits about him, but he couldn't

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hold a cup of coffee, they said, for about half

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an hour. He was just shaken so bad. And it

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happened fast enough for button Anchie himself. But they didn't

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know what to think about it. They know at that time.

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I doubt if there's very very few people who were

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versed in anything as it regards to big pot. But

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in any event, the sheriff came out, they cast the

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prints and that type of thing, and was apparently had

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been raining. That's February and on the seaquelst like that.

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It didn't have to rain very much to to dampen

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things up because the snow and not the snow, but

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the ocean currents are bringing it in all the time,

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especially that time of year. But most of the casting

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didn't The footprints didn't last all that long, and they

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weren't thinking in terms of keeping. It was the Sheriff's

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department and wanted the cast, so they did that, took

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the took the report and and all that, this, that

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and the other thing, and they finally got settled down

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and back to a normal routine. And within two weeks

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they noticed and this goes on where other other parts

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of the story are not told, but within a couple

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of weeks they had other incident there where where Bud

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would go out to the chicken coop and they kept

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a bag of a big bag of dog food there

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and they kept the chickens, of course, and the chicken feed,

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and a two by four rail along the inside wall.

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They had a egg carton and when the egg carton

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they would put the eggs in there every day or

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every other day, and when the egg carton got filled

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up or closal full, they'd bring it in the house

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and put a new fresh carton out there. Well, they

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he'd gone out there and fed the dog one day

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and there was half a dozen eggs in there, and

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he left him. The next morning when he went out

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to do it again, there were no eggs, and it

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was it was clean. In other words, there was no

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broken shells, nothing of that sort at all. It was

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just they were just gone, disappeared. Well, at the same time,

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he had a large forty to fifty pound bag of

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dog pud there and it went from almost full down

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to about half full overnight, and that type of thing.

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So they it occurred to and there was no mess.

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You know, if the bear were to have gotten in

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that or something of that nature, it would have been

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a mess, and just how those animals are anyway, But

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this was gone. And then they realized that mister Bigfoot

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was coming back from time to time and helping himself,

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and they just decided when and she would be alone

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for two or three days at her time, Angie. So

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they decided that that was not a good place for them,

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and they and they moved and so that that left

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that out. In the meantime, mister edwards from Ashland, Oregon,

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which is north from there, of course, and he had

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heard about this. And I don't know how how he

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actually had heard about it. I'm still kind of up

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in the air on that one, but that he was

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a an art professor of sorts, and he got wind

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of it, and and and very he was very interested

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in all things big. But and he came down and

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drew h drew up a sketch of what where the

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animal would have set and where this that and the

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other thing. And he traced the literal tracing of the

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handprint on the on the door sill or the post,

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one of the two right in there, and uh, and

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measured it and all that kind of stuff. And I

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would love to get my hands on that, on that print,

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but Cliff Barrickman has I don't think he's got the

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original by mistake, and he may have. I have seen

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I've seen a print down there, but I don't know

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that it's the original or if it was just a

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drawing off a drawing. So but in any event, uh,

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and then and then a person, a normal person's hand

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was overlaid on the print, so they can get a

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good comparison. Very interesting, Okay, very interesting.

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So that this makes yeah, because I was like, man,

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I've heard I've heard this somewhere, so that makes sense.

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So it may be called out in the NABC museum,

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you're saying, but I also found this was in the news.

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This is a pretty big deal. I was in the

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Madeira Tribune, and I'll have the link to that article

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in the show notes for this episode. And I've been

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reading the article along while you've been telling the story,

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and I mean, yeah, they they pretty much got what

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happened in that article. Yeah, it's just it's a fascinating story.

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And I'm not surprised that that puts you down the

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road to more Bigfoot for sure.

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Oh yeah, Well, at the time, we lived in Federal Way, Washington,

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which is it wasn't much of a community between Seattle

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and Tacoma and bud Nanjie had their daughter. My aunt

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lived up in that area, des Moines, and they came

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up to see her within a day or two and

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shared the story with their daughter, and at the same

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time it was intriguing enough for to them obviously that

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they came over to our home in Fedderway and we

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all sat there and I think I was sixteen or

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seventeen at the time, and to be sixteen or seventeen

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again anyway at the time, and they shared the story

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and there was no equivocating it was. It was what

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it was. It was. It was an honest portrayal of

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the events of that night and court, which is interesting

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to me because I started out on the positive. I

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never had a negative thought about whether it was or wasn't.

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My aunt's fokes came up, they explained what was going on,

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the whole story. They later all out there and there

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was no place it out. I mean, it was there.

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It was what it was. And I know that there's

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people that they'll get all excited and say, well, it's

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just a hoax or something different, or who knows what,

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and okay, God bless them, they can believe what they

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want to believe. But I know these folks well up

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until they're passing, well enough to know that they weren't

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playing games with this event, and so that adds a

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little predility credulity to what I understand. And like I said,

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I started out positive. I never doubted the fact from

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that point on because I'd never heard about it before

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that there was such a critter and he was real,

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and that he was out there. Now, there wasn't a

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lot of mubviously, at least so far as we were concerned.

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But at least I started on the positive and not

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on the negative side of that. So that's been a

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help for me as I go along. I can disregard

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any number of accounts over the years that I've heard

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and that are over dramatic. You can just kind of

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tell that things have been added and everything. And I'm

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not picking on other people, that's their business. But my

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dad and I used to hunt together a lot, and

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when we hunt, when we were hunting, if it was

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if the animal was such and such, we didn't embellish

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that it was such and such, it was so tall,

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so big, this that and the other thing. And we

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had elected a long long time ago just to tell

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the truth exactly way it was. And that's how we

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were quite frankly, that's how I lived my own life now,

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and so I don't have to I don't have to apologize.

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Somebody says, well, that's not right, this is this is

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how it was. That's not the.

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Case, right, you know how it is?

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Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, And you have a sense of being

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able to read right through other things. But anyway, go ahead.

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So Jack, you're you're around sixteen seventeen at this time,

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and it really affects you. Did it affect you in

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the way where you started to go out looking for

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yourself or you just started noticing more and more people

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telling their bigfoot stories.

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Well, yeah, well there wasn't a lot of big foot

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stories out there. It wasn't there was. I was not

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in a physical position, you know, lived close to the

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woods or something like that, or had that type of thing.

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Matter of fact, anytime I would relay that story, and

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I was in high school, of course I would relate

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that story. They would do to me the same thing

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they're doing to any number of books today. They figure

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it was just all cow squeezings, you know, nothing, nothing real,

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and so you can only get to go so far

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with that, and you and you stop talking about it

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because it doesn't do any good. And I think that

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most of us realize you're in the big Foot community.

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That that's which has happened across the board. There's been

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so many situations that people get tired of being called

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liars or hoaxers or any number of other things, or

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maybe insane. I might get that anyway, insane, So we

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just clam up. Well, here I am in high school

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and working my way through there, and I'm chasing girls

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just like every other red blooded American boy and going

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through the motions there. And so I just put it

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on the back burner for a while, and time to

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time a story would come up and I would I

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would read about it, think about it, but they're pretty

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thin out there. I have wondered about other situations there

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as far as big Foot was concerned. Let me get

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into it this way. Jerry Cruz was was the bulldozer

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operator in California up on the I think it was

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in the Bluff Creek area, and that's where he first

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found the footprint, Like I mentioned before, and and and

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uh what's his name? Andrew Giaroli kind of uh uh

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designed around it as verbiage. There a big thoat and

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it just kind of snowball from there. As as a name.

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I'm wondering if h Roger Patterson, of the of that fame,

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if he didn't come in contact with somebody or heard

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about or something the connection between my relatives and Bigfoot,

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and if you followed it up on that, because I

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know it was keenly interested in anything big butt, but

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I don't know if that was. Excuse me that my

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our episode in sixty two had anything to do with

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his interest in sixty seven. So that and of course

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they're all dead now, well.

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Except for Bob came on.

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But yeah, Roger Patterson passed away pretty early.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, he had other other things going. But anyway,

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so you get the idea that, well, I've always been

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curious about it, and I wish somebody was around where

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I could talk to him, say where did you come

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up with this? Right, and would be able to fill

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in those blanks, But they'll never be filled so far

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as I know. But anyway, and that's is what it is,

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what it is. So anyway, so nineteen fifty eight and

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nineteen sixty two was our my family's incident with that

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particular critter, and they never talked about it after that,

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although my near aunt her Angie's daughter and I were well,

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she was eleven years older than I was at the time,

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and her and my uncle Hawley, they would talk about this,

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they get together, but they never went outside the family.

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They kept it kind of in the family area. And

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even up to her death, her just a year or

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so ago, they never never equivocated at all. It is

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what it is, and they talked about it, and there's

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a certain amount of family pride, you might say, in

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the fact that it even happened to them or with

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them anyway. So with that, they come up five years later,

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nineteen sixty seven as a Bob Gimblin Roger Patterson event

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Creek thing and the film and all that kind of stuff. Well,

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in nineteen sixty seven, I had just got home from Vietnam, Okay,

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and I'm kind of unwinding my mind. From that time on,

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did a lot of hunting, did a lot of climbing

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in the hills. Still Bigfoot was not on my agenda. Actually,

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it was just hunting and fishing and all that kind

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of stuff. And I was out of the service by

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the way. I came home and that was it. And

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then at the same time I started dating this crazy

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lady that I'm married. We've been together now fifty seven years.

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So anyway, so my interests, I don't know if you

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can follow that, but my interest was off in one

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in another direction, and I can't remember where it was.

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That all along I would catch a news paper article

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or some glimpse of something that was going on in

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the big fifth community, and they were kind of uh tight,

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you might say, they weren't out there just spreading the news,

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and even if they did, nobody would believe anyway most

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of the time. So that was all of that. But

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then I started reading by Green and Steenbergh, Cramps, vnder Nagel,

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all those people. I started absorbing the books that they

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had out, and their and their newspaper articles. All of

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that started to backfill what what I already knew a

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little bit. And and then as I went along then

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I would hear other stories, other situations that would kind

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of buoy up my my area of understanding or lack

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of excuse me, and all of that. So and so

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the last I'd say, ten to fifteen years now again

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I'm I'm almost what I think I got some big

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foot bur in my throat the last fifteen years or so,

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the interesting Bigfoot has bossomed and gone. That's gone kind

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of wild. Quite frankly, I wonder about some of that, well,

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where it's coming from, and who's filling in some gaps.

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And I have heard of, like you have heard of

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these incidences from the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific and

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the Gulf and the Canadian border beyond, and now they're

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starting to you hear it all over the place, and

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you see very reputable incidences in situations, some not so reputable,

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I'm sure, but that type of thing. And I'm hearing

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all about this, and I'm reading all about it, and

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as we go along here, I'm filling in the gaps.

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There was the other gentleman we don't talk about very much,

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mostly because he's passed away as well. It's Harry Truman

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of Mount Saint Helen's fame.

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And can we make a quick just real quick, because

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it's going to confuse some people that don't know what

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we're talking about. Not the president, right, no, no, no, no,

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not the president.

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Harry Truman was a name that this gentleman had and

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he was a character. Yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, I think

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quite frankly, he had a number of notables come up

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to his Spirit Lake Lodge. But whether the president himself

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ever made it, I don't know. But Harry Truman was

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a different It was a person of a different, different

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sort lately and many once. And he the visual of

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who he was matched the the the rumors of who

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he was as well. He's one of those two guys

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get one would overlay the other very nicely. We grew up.

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My wife and I and the kids. We'd drew book

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to Spirit Lake one time and he he was outside,

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we're talking, man. He would he gruff, Oh my goodness.

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He'd almost stare you down. What are you doing here?

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Kind of a thing? I said, well, is this Spare Lake?

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Yes it is, you know. And he would go through

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those that kind of thing until you said, if you

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got a little store up here, we could buy some

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ice cream or something. He melt, oh yeah, I could.

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He wanted to. He wanted the money to come through.

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But there's a book. I think it's called Harry. I'd

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have to look up the name of the book again.

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Tell us about that. And his his experience is with Bigfoot,

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and he had them, but he wouldn't. He didn't put

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him out there too much, except for a few people

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that he trusted, and Harry was all forever in the

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back country, take his horses and they'd go for a

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couple of weeks and be gone, and he would take

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outsiders with him. They're paying the bill, so he would.

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He would go with them and different things. And from

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time to time you'd hear him or you'd hear about

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him mentioning Bigfoot, the big Harry guy, whatever you want

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to call him. As far as I'm out saying, Helen's

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and everything, and he never had any that I'm aware of,

460
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:48.960
anything negative to pass along. I think we've created our

461
00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:52.440
own negativity when it comes to Bigfoot in the main,

462
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:59.519
I don't you take eight foot twelve, six hundred pounds animal.

463
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:04.880
And if he wanted to be violent toward us all

464
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:09.319
the time or as a normal thing, we would have

465
00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:13.200
to wage war. There'd be no way around it. But

466
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:17.599
it's only when we put them in in some strange

467
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:21.400
positions they want to protect your family or they don't

468
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:24.359
want us in a particular area, that I think that

469
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:29.960
they expose themselves to us in such a way that

470
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:34.039
the design is that we will leave. And those places

471
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:37.920
are getting smaller and smaller and harder and harder. We're

472
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:40.480
putting the pressure on them, not vice versa.

473
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:42.519
Oh, I agree one hundred percent.

474
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:45.920
I do want to go back to mister Truman for

475
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:50.079
a minute, just to chat a little bit about that.

476
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:54.240
So a lot of people know about Harry Truman. They'll

477
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:58.160
probably have heard about him because he didn't leave his

478
00:30:58.279 --> 00:31:02.160
home leading up to the Mount Saint Helens eruption on

479
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:07.240
May eighteen, nineteen eighty and he was actually unfortunately the

480
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:12.000
pyroclastic flow overtook his lodge and he was buried and

481
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:13.119
lost his life.

482
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:17.039
Correct yep, yep, six hundred feet deep they say.

483
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:22.000
That, and his cats right absolutely.

484
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:28.279
When he he I think I think psychologically, of course,

485
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:32.519
he loved the mountain and where he lived. The mountain

486
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:40.319
protected him from outside sources, outside situations. He had had

487
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:43.240
a I don't want to call it a checkered pass.

488
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:45.799
That's not fair for me to say that. But he

489
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:50.279
was involved with all kinds of different things that you

490
00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:53.279
and I would say, wow, I can't do that, But

491
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:56.000
that's what he did. And he was a matter of

492
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:59.119
survival and he kind of you might say, he wrapped

493
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:02.039
the mountain or on him. When you thought about Mount

494
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:06.440
Saint Helens, it was Harry Crewman when he was a

495
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:11.799
character to finish that story, by the way, after we

496
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:15.359
talked to him a little bit and everything else like that.

497
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:18.799
I'm still I was younger. That's forty five years ago,

498
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:21.920
or actually more than that, forty by six seven years ago,

499
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.599
when I was there before the mountain picked its stets

500
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:27.880
up and that type of thing. And we were just

501
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:30.559
up on a on a trip out there, poking around

502
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:32.960
and see what we could see. My wife and I

503
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:35.799
have a hobby. We turned the wheels on that car.

504
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:40.279
We're gone all the time. We poked down down logging roads,

505
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:43.839
up in corners, everywhere we can go. We dated that

506
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:47.160
way for Pete's sakes, Let's go for a drive. And

507
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:48.960
we would do that and not come back till late

508
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:52.240
at night, and wherever we went, and that was our

509
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.039
that was how we did think. So when we had

510
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:57.519
our kids, we would just put him in the car

511
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:00.799
when they were young, of course, and off we'd go.

512
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:04.279
And we got up to the lake there and everything,

513
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:08.240
and I asked, Harry, I says, I says, is there

514
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:10.119
a way for me to go from here back to

515
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:14.319
Randall without going on the main road. He looked at

516
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:16.400
me with a twinkle in his eye, says, just keep

517
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:19.599
going down that road right over there. And I thought

518
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:21.960
at the time, I don't recall it, there's a road

519
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:25.000
right over there, but sure not, there was. It was

520
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:28.799
a it was a logging grade where they you know,

521
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:31.759
they scalped out a bit of a road, and I thought.

522
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:34.799
We got down in there for a few miles, and

523
00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:38.880
I told myself that Grascow has got me so turned around,

524
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:44.799
I'll never get out of here. I was, and he did.

525
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:47.559
That was a wark for him. But I told him

526
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:50.039
I found it. I found a grade down through there,

527
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.039
and you kept going and I dropped down the one

528
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:54.440
and I mean over to another, and pretty soon I

529
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:57.319
did make it to Randle, and that was forty five

530
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:00.240
miles away. I made it down through there, down the

531
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:02.480
Ryan Lake. I don't know if you ever heard of Ryan Lake.

532
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:06.680
It's it's a bit famous itself. But anyway, all the

533
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:09.440
way down I made out of there. But I didn't

534
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:11.320
go back for a second shot at it, I'll tell

535
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:14.159
you that. And we had little dots in two ten

536
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:16.679
and they're low, and I was a prod to debt.

537
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:18.239
I'd get down here and get all hung up and

538
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:21.199
couldn't get out. And that made me a little bit nervous.

539
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:22.199
I have a family, you.

540
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:26.719
Know, absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah, you've got the kids with you.

541
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:33.239
Yeah, absolutely yeah. And anyway, that was interesting and I

542
00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:41.840
at the time, I consider him not a friend, right, Yeah,

543
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:44.840
after the fact, I decided, you know, he's passed away,

544
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:47.880
and my guns be by guns. And he did what

545
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:52.519
he wanted to do, and and uh, you know I

546
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:57.280
considered a treasure, yes, and dealings with him at all.

547
00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:01.719
So it's so cool to be able to think of,

548
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:05.679
you know, having a connection with an individual like that

549
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:10.079
from us kind of full history. Do you remember any

550
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:15.280
of those Bigfoot stories that Harry would would talk about, No.

551
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:21.000
I don't. His his daughter, well, it was his stepdaughter

552
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:25.239
that wrote up the book. It's called Harry Kerry Truman

553
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:29.440
or something. It's easy to find, all right, and she

554
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.039
wrote about it, but I don't. And and she spent

555
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:35.960
summers out at Spirit Lake and everything else like that.

556
00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:38.960
It was. That's an intriguing book all by itself, but

557
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:41.199
I don't think she wanted to get too deep into

558
00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:43.599
that part of it. First of all, I'm not sure

559
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:48.280
certain that she knew. I'm reasonably sure she didn't know

560
00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:51.400
the nuance of the things that Harry went through. But

561
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:56.039
he did have he did have clients literally, clients come

562
00:35:56.119 --> 00:35:58.519
up and go hunting, clients come up and do this,

563
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.880
that and the other thing. And the Bigfoot was mentioned

564
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:05.519
in it from time to time. So it's not a

565
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:08.280
it wasn't a secret. It was just kind of kept

566
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:11.000
on the low, you know what I mean. And it

567
00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:13.559
didn't push that issue, and she didn't know enough to

568
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:15.119
go too deep into it either.

569
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:18.719
Right, absolutely, Yeah, the critter.

570
00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:22.440
Was there and he never he never once that I'm

571
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.960
aware of, at least in the writings and in the

572
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:29.159
people around them, discounted that at all. It was it

573
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:30.760
was a real thing. Yeah.

574
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:34.079
Mount Saint Helen's is such an interesting thing when it

575
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:38.480
comes to bigfoot because the whole area is totally wild

576
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:44.239
with Bigfoot accounts and interactions. You always have it brought

577
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.400
up though, how after the mountain blew, you know, you

578
00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:51.519
have these stories about like, oh, they were the Bigfoot,

579
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:54.719
were found hurt and they came for help and they

580
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:57.639
were helicopters off. But you can never talk to the

581
00:36:57.679 --> 00:37:01.159
people that actually have the reports, right, you know what

582
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:01.559
I mean.

583
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:08.599
Well, I have a theory on that that is my

584
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:11.480
life is as good as the next guys. But it's

585
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:18.039
a theory. First of all, I was around people who

586
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:21.199
went in on the helicopters to pick up people, okay,

587
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:28.119
and after the right after the Mountain Blue, and which

588
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:32.440
was quite an event in itself, But they they went

589
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:35.719
around out uh what do you call it? The helicopters

590
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:38.760
went around. They were looking for survivors. They were looking

591
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:40.800
for this, that and the other thing. And there were

592
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:44.760
animals that they would get and pile and everything else

593
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:47.480
like that. And the story goes, and I have no

594
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:49.280
reason to doubt it, and I'll tell you why in

595
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:52.800
a minute. But the story goes that there was a

596
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:58.559
guy or two that was told to guard a particular

597
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:00.880
I don't know if there's a whole pile of them

598
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:03.840
or a number of whatever it was. They had a

599
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:06.039
tarp over at the top of it and they say,

600
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:09.199
don't ever say anything to anybody. This will cost you

601
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:12.320
if you do. And that was one of the that

602
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:18.360
was one of the more interesting things, what I And

603
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:22.360
so after the fact, nobody would say anything until now,

604
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:27.360
all these years later, the the find points of that

605
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:31.360
particular story kind of get washed away, and you're not

606
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:35.639
sure which way to go with it. Personally, I believe

607
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:40.519
every john and tittle of that particular story because I

608
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:44.239
heard it when it was fresh and and remember those

609
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:48.280
kind of things. At the same time, they when they

610
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:54.079
were whatever it was was underneath that canvas, was was

611
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:57.400
they were, They were bigfoot period, end of the subject.

612
00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:02.039
But they were also picked up and they were brought

613
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:06.760
to somewhere over to eastern Washington somewhere, and I believe

614
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:11.519
it was they didn't want those carcasses laying around out

615
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:15.000
there for people to get and get the idea, even

616
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:19.079
having a casual understanding, the big Book might actually be real.

617
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:22.280
So all of that, all of that gets into that

618
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:28.320
matrix of thought process and everything else like that there's

619
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:32.280
there today as we sit here and talk. There are

620
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:34.920
any number of people who will swear that, first of all,

621
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.880
there's no big flight. That's their business. I don't care

622
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:42.679
what they think. But there's also a body of thought

623
00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:48.079
that there's been no carcasses ever, nothing, none of them

624
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:50.880
ever been killed, none of them ever been had their

625
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:54.480
hands on Well, I happen to know of just by reading.

626
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:58.679
I happen to know of anywhere from four to six

627
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:02.079
different accounts where where people have killed them, or they

628
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:06.079
have been killed from other purposes and and had their

629
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:09.199
hands on the carcass. Well, it's pretty hard. It's pretty

630
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:13.320
hard to discredit that if in fact, you've had your

631
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:16.440
hand on the carcass, if you've actually been there and

632
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:21.159
seen it and touched it, moved body parts around, it's

633
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:24.880
pretty hard to discount that. I think. I think, when

634
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:29.599
it comes to truth, the arbiture of truth is not

635
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:33.639
our government, and I don't want to. I love my country,

636
00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:36.880
I love the patriot but I think I think they

637
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:40.159
oftentimes go off in directions that they would be far

638
00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:44.000
better off just to say, yeah, we we we located

639
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:47.960
six of these or whatever a big foot that were

640
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:51.840
killed during the blash at Mount Saint Helens, or this

641
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:54.840
guy run over to one with the truck and all

642
00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:58.760
that kind. Why don't they just be on us transport transparent?

643
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:05.559
What is the game? You know? And I've got theories

644
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:07.400
on that too, but I believe it all it is.

645
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:09.400
I don't want to. I don't want to go down

646
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:13.239
trails that I can't I can't back up. It really

647
00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:15.119
drives me nuts. Jack.

648
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:18.960
You mentioned that you've heard a few stories about bigfoot

649
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:21.159
that have been killed and the person has actually had

650
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:25.360
the hand on the creature. Are those stories that you'd

651
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:26.800
be able to share it all.

652
00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:30.960
Or a little bit? A little bit on The one

653
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:35.239
that fascinates me the most is some young guy and

654
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.920
it was not it was I don't know if it

655
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:42.400
was Green's book or Krantz or who but the or

656
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:44.800
maybe it was just an article. I can't remember that

657
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:49.960
part with apologies to your listeners, but this I do remember. Well,

658
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:53.719
there's two one of Daniel Boone for beeat's sakes, but

659
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:55.599
and I'll get into that in a minute real quick.

660
00:41:55.679 --> 00:42:00.719
Like what the other is a young lady in Canada

661
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:05.480
that would shoot a moose occasionally and give it to

662
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:10.039
a native village. Think it was his excuse to go poach.

663
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:14.719
That's my that's my reading of what was going somewhere.

664
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:18.119
I don't think he'd appreciate the count saying that. But

665
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:22.400
one time he shot a moose and the moose took

666
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:25.039
off and he didn't get it on the first shot,

667
00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:30.440
and that type of thing. So anyway, so he tracked

668
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:32.519
it down. He's falling the blood trail, going through the

669
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:36.239
motions and he gets up. He's wandering through and he

670
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:38.840
looks up in front of him, and there's a moves

671
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:41.239
and it looks like he hasn't got down yet. So

672
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:43.840
he pulled the trigger on it one more time and

673
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:45.719
down it went and that was the end of that.

674
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:48.599
He walks up on it. It wasn't a moose. It

675
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:57.159
was a bigfoot on the mooseh and he it kind

676
00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:01.760
of overwhelmed obviously would overwhelm you a little. But he

677
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:07.000
he looked over every part of that animal. He looked

678
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.599
at the feet, he looked at the hands, he looked

679
00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:13.280
at the head. He pushed things around. It was it

680
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:16.559
was dead as a mackerel, and he wanted to know

681
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:20.800
more about it, but he had second thoughts about telling

682
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:27.159
anybody about that until years later, of course. And but anyway,

683
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:29.760
because he didn't want to get in trouble. He's after

684
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:33.559
poach and you're not going to go through those motions.

685
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:36.639
And I tell myself a thousand times over it. Yeah,

686
00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:44.760
this guy made a big mistake. Yeah. So yeah, So

687
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:47.519
you think about that and just the fact that you

688
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:51.199
could walk up on one uh uh some and put

689
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:56.039
your hands on the carcass itself and tell yourself, this

690
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:59.559
is what the story the native stories are all about.

691
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:02.440
This is this is the critter we've been hearing about

692
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:05.719
talking about. You know, I'm here, I have I've killed it,

693
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:10.400
and I'm you know, I'm not I'm not condoning or

694
00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:15.599
condemning either way. It was it was happening, and I

695
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:21.199
think that fantastic, just just a shame, you know, those

696
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:24.039
things happen. There's a there's another one at a miner's

697
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:27.719
camp that they actually took a picture of it. Everybody says, now,

698
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:30.679
that's this, that's the other thing. They're not such and such.

699
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:35.239
But they actually had a cameraman came and this is

700
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:42.679
an eighteen I'm an hazard I guess in the middle

701
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:46.320
to the late eighteen hundreds, okay, and the guy came

702
00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:49.960
out through this when the photography was in its infancy.

703
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:54.719
But the owner of the mining camp had the guy

704
00:44:54.800 --> 00:45:01.559
come out. Apparently the bigfoot had been fishing on the

705
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:04.440
on the river system that was close to the camp

706
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:10.039
and he got killed. They shot it apparently. And you

707
00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:14.760
know these right now, these are all foggy kind of stories.

708
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:18.960
You really can't put your hand your head around, and

709
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:23.320
it just drives me nuts. But anyway, they actually took

710
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:26.400
a number of pictures and they had the guy that

711
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:30.760
guys snuck one of the pictures out after the fact,

712
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:33.320
and he wasn't supposed to take it, but he had

713
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:35.280
it out and it was it was printed up, and

714
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.039
of course everybody says, no, that's just it's just a

715
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:40.199
bunch of garbage. That's a bear, that's nothing, this, that

716
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:43.039
and the other thing. So it leaves it up to

717
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:46.599
it leaves it up to those of us who are

718
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:49.880
a little more discerning to say, you know, a bear

719
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:53.280
wouldn't look like that bear. This isn't right, that isn't right,

720
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:55.960
whatever the case is. So it has to be something different.

721
00:45:56.000 --> 00:46:00.039
And the only only thing different that would fit the

722
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:04.199
the matrix of what you're looking at is a big fight.

723
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:07.280
So anyway, that's that kind of thing. And of course

724
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:09.360
you can look at the Daniel Boone thing, which I

725
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:16.320
thought was extremely fascinating. That's another another issue. And had

726
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:19.079
the Daniel Boone himself I've been here, he would have

727
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:21.320
lost his son because that big slam.

728
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:25.320
Absolutely, yeah, that's a classic story.

729
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:28.480
Yeah, it is a class And why would he lie

730
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:32.599
about something like that? If he didn't lie about other things,

731
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:35.800
why would he lie about this? You know? And that

732
00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:38.519
wasn't Apparently that wasn't the character of the man to

733
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:42.079
begin with. That wasn't his way of doing business. So uh,

734
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:47.440
you know, he drives me nuts. So anyway, anyway, anyway, Uh,

735
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:51.519
let's see. You know, like I say, I've been collecting

736
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:55.239
stories forever and pretty I like to think I'm fairly

737
00:46:55.320 --> 00:47:00.320
discerning when I talk to people about their incidence, and

738
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:03.639
I kind of catch them off guard a lot of times,

739
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:06.800
and I don't think it rings true. And you have

740
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:11.320
a sense that I don't dismiss the person or the

741
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:13.760
story out of the hand, but I just don't pass

742
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:16.719
it along and keep it to myself. And they've be

743
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:21.519
done with it. But let's see, where do you want

744
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:21.719
to go?

745
00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:23.599
Well, I got a question for you here. So you

746
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:27.239
had mentioned that, you know, you've heard so many things

747
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:29.840
over the years, and as you said a few times,

748
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:33.119
you know, some of them don't really come up to snuff.

749
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:36.559
But some of them you're like, Okay, this feels legit.

750
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:39.159
Are there any that really stick out in your mind

751
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:43.400
that you're like, Wow, this account, there's something about this

752
00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:48.079
account that is one good to go.

753
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:53.039
Yeah, I'll give you one. I'll give you one. I've

754
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:56.760
got a friend whose son and the son is now.

755
00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:02.920
I got to be close to fifty anyway, and he

756
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:09.159
and his partner hunting partner. If you if you take

757
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:12.960
a map of the park, we call it the park,

758
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:16.519
it's Mountain International Park. What part of the country you're from, by.

759
00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:18.599
Jeremia, I'm from Central Iowa.

760
00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:21.400
I've been out to Oregon a few times, and I

761
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.840
know exactly what you're talking about when you say right here, yeah.

762
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:27.880
Okay, okay, I wanted to put it in perspective. But

763
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:31.119
if you take them if you took the map of

764
00:48:31.159 --> 00:48:35.199
the Mountain International Park and you drew a line from

765
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:40.400
the north west corner to the southwest corner, there is

766
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:44.079
that is all timberland, just on the edge of the park,

767
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:47.960
and so the park itself becomes a sanctuary for anything

768
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:52.360
that's in and around it, Okay, outside of outside of

769
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:55.199
in the timberlands there. I used to hunt that a

770
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:57.920
lot when I was a kid, and that's been a

771
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:00.760
thousand years ago. When I was a kid, one hundred

772
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:04.079
that was eight thousands and thousands and thousands of acres

773
00:49:04.519 --> 00:49:07.639
And for the most part, you walked in, you didn't

774
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:10.039
get the ride. You didn't get to ride in in

775
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:12.159
a truck. For a few years you did and then

776
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:16.239
they close that off. But anyways, so it was itself

777
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:20.760
a sanctuary for these animals. And during the elk seed,

778
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:25.199
during and elk season that the lumberunt timber cunt companies

779
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:30.599
rather wouldn't let people go in there on anything with wheels.

780
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:33.400
You had to walk, and they didn't want you overnight. Well,

781
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:37.280
now that's very limiting. There's just one patch of ground

782
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:40.119
one hundred and thirty thousand acres. You're not going to

783
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:43.239
cover much of that on foot in the course of

784
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:45.280
one day and didn't have to be back out again.

785
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:48.440
So that was what was going on. And there was

786
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:51.519
an area there close to the park about mid stream

787
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:56.199
on that map north and south that the Mawich River,

788
00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:59.320
the pew all Up River, and in between them the

789
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:02.519
Russian Water. It came off the glacier. I don't know

790
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:04.440
what they called it a river or a creek, but

791
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:06.679
it was a pretty good go and it came out

792
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:10.960
through a flat and and that's where the elk would

793
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:13.880
hang out, the deer would hang out, and during that

794
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:16.320
time of that type of year or time of year

795
00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:20.400
either and we would we would start at three in

796
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:23.239
the morning and walk in or hunt like pools and

797
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:25.800
didn't come out in the dark every time. I almost

798
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:28.920
lost my life going through those motions once. But anyway,

799
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:33.800
and in doing that, some of the guys would pack

800
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:37.920
in a light, tense and sleeping bag and a little

801
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:42.000
bit of food and they would they would make a

802
00:50:42.119 --> 00:50:44.639
night of it, and they weren't supposed to, but it

803
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:49.519
did anyway. And this, uh, this one gentleman who whom

804
00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:52.320
I know very well because I've known his I know

805
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:56.119
I've known his dad for Oh I write at fifty

806
00:50:56.199 --> 00:50:58.440
years that fact, it might be fifty years, come think

807
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:05.880
of it. Anyway, they were in there and there's the

808
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:10.440
ground cover in that particular area is waist high or better.

809
00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:15.920
And this large flat had algers in it and whatnot,

810
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:19.639
and you could see pretty good through there. But at

811
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:22.719
that in the evening, when this gentleman went out, he said,

812
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:24.519
I'm going to go out and take a look around.

813
00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:27.480
I don't think the season was actually open until the

814
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:30.119
next morning, but he wanted to go take a look

815
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:32.079
around and see if the elk were in the area,

816
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:34.719
what was going on and this, that and the other thing.

817
00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:38.159
So he took awful and left his partner back at

818
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:44.039
what they would call their campsite, and he's walking up

819
00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:47.880
this trail through there. We used to call it the

820
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:51.440
water spur because when the old railroads logging railroads ran

821
00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:54.280
up through there, they had to get water for their

822
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:57.239
for the engines and whatnot. When that was done right

823
00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:01.079
there anyway, But it's all grown up. So he's walking

824
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:07.599
along and the ground fog was such that it's hard

825
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:12.480
to see, and in the evening and and everything else

826
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:15.719
like that. So he's poking around, not paying a lot

827
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:20.760
of attention to anything other than elk that, looking for

828
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:24.719
elk rather, and he's looking down, he's looking for tracks

829
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:26.280
of this, that and the other thing. He looks up

830
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:32.880
and about seventy five yards away here is bigfoot standing here,

831
00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:39.880
both just a bowld as a sunrise and with I

832
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:41.800
think both of them were a little bit surprised. But

833
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:45.280
the big foot never never moved a muscle and looked

834
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:53.159
right at him. And this gentleman he put raised the rifle,

835
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:56.360
put the crosshairs right on the head, and he he

836
00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:58.400
could have shot. It would have been easy enough, and

837
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:01.480
it was a three hundred Winchester, so it would have

838
00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:06.440
went down like a like a sack of crap. Quite frankly,

839
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:11.039
but anyway, he he looked at it, and he says,

840
00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:15.079
it was just too too human too. It was out

841
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:19.239
of his range of thought, and and he didn't know

842
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:24.199
what to think. So so he lowered his rifle and

843
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:29.559
he turned around to leave, and he made a few steps,

844
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:34.039
and and then he said to himself, this is stupid

845
00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:36.679
turning my back on this thing. And he turned and

846
00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:39.519
it was all of the eight foot tall variety, which

847
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:42.880
is pretty common. Anyway, he turned around and it was

848
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:46.599
not there, and it had just disappeared. And I don't

849
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:49.920
I don't believe, and I let other people have their thoughts.

850
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:53.280
I don't believe that they just disappear in that context.

851
00:53:53.559 --> 00:53:58.840
They'll drop down, they'll step behind a stamp, they'll, depending

852
00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:01.800
on where that they can, do all kinds of things

853
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:05.639
to not be seen. And they moved fast enough that

854
00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:09.280
in the few steps that this other other guy made

855
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:14.119
to get away, if big Butt had made that corresponding

856
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:18.119
steps in the other direction, other direction, left or right,

857
00:54:18.519 --> 00:54:21.599
you wouldn't have seen him either. I mean, I've I've

858
00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:24.760
stood right there and watched bull out practically disappear in

859
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:28.079
the same in the same situation, and deer and bear

860
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:32.039
and everything else I've I've hunted the deer bear come

861
00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:35.320
out and got all of them, and I'm very familiar

862
00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:38.440
with what they are capable of doing. And they will

863
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:42.559
shut it will surprise you, absolutely surprise you to know

864
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.760
what they what they could do. Anybody's hunting, any any

865
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:48.360
kind of hunting at all for very long, will come

866
00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:53.400
up with situations. Yet, uh, they they have to. They

867
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:55.800
don't know what to think. You know, we didn't just

868
00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:58.880
disappeared to daperize. You know, he's took three steps in

869
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:01.960
one trink or roup down in a hole. Now, there's

870
00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:05.159
other all kinds of stories out there where these critters

871
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:08.639
are dropped down into a hole completely and you did

872
00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:12.039
see them at all, but it wasn't because it disappeared,

873
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:14.440
because it went out of site. And there's there's a

874
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:17.840
whole different genre. I thought on that one as well.

875
00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:22.519
Oh sure, that's a whole a whole different chat you

876
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:26.199
could have. Can they camouflage? Can they just drop down

877
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:28.719
a hole like you said, I mean you can go there.

878
00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:30.639
A lot of stories have a lot of different ways

879
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:33.280
of looking at it. For sure that that's a wild

880
00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:39.760
account of that happening. And Mountaineer National Park, So have

881
00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:40.400
you heard.

882
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:43.320
Of the International Park is full of that type of thing.

883
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:46.639
Oh absolutely, not just that one, all of it in

884
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:49.360
the park, outside of the park, around the park, around

885
00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:53.000
the eastern side of it, it's more open, but there's

886
00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:56.559
as many or more sightings over there as there is

887
00:55:56.599 --> 00:55:58.920
anywhere else. And it just happens to be that it's

888
00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:04.000
more of a sanctuary because the park has no spiritual

889
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:07.320
thing going on. It just it's left alone. With the

890
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:09.800
exception of I don't know how many millions of people

891
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:12.119
literally drive in and out of the park, but they

892
00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:14.000
stay right on the road. They don't go very far.

893
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:17.480
There's a handful of people that are actually better than that.

894
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:20.800
They go up and down trails. But even those places,

895
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:26.000
there's any number of places that are just still wilderness.

896
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:30.760
You can get lost on a city park area or

897
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:33.880
a square block and some of that kind of stuff

898
00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:37.760
where you know, you never know anyway.

899
00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:41.480
Have you heard anything that's happened on the west side

900
00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:45.440
of the park over by Ashford, Washington, Well.

901
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:51.199
That's part of this. Ashford is very rich. The busy

902
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:55.360
wild is runs. There's a creek and a road system

903
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:59.960
that runs right up to Ashford going that'd be west

904
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:05.119
to east and then the Mineral and Ashford Mineral, Ashford

905
00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:07.920
and LB are all kind of a triplex in that

906
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:14.400
same area within a eight to ten mile air circle. Okay,

907
00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:18.440
and there's forever stories about about those. I don't have

908
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:21.280
to I have to, well, I knew a gall that

909
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:26.800
was graduated two years ahead of me. Both my wife

910
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:31.960
and I graduated from Federalay High School right after we

911
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:36.800
got off the arc. I think sixty you get the

912
00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:42.639
idea sixty four, sixty four and sixty six. But anyway,

913
00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:45.199
and she I think she got she graduated sixty two.

914
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:47.800
She had a little home, had a little home business

915
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:53.199
there right in the Ashford area, right on the highway.

916
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:57.800
And I think it was her or a neighbor friend

917
00:57:57.800 --> 00:58:02.639
of hers that they were actually habituating Bigfoot for a while,

918
00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:06.840
So that that's an ongoing thing. Mineral, the next town over,

919
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:11.440
they've they've seen those any number of times. I've not

920
00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:15.599
actually talk to anybody's that was close enough to an

921
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:20.039
actual account there that that I can fill in details

922
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:24.639
other than they're forever saying, well, I've got a friend

923
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:29.519
that's you know, the next town over would be south

924
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:32.320
would be Morton. You've heard of Morton. I would assume.

925
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:36.320
Oh yeah, because that the Highway twelfth quarter, you know,

926
00:58:36.480 --> 00:58:38.960
I mean that's their story upon.

927
00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:45.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, anyway, my buddy's got thirty

928
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:48.800
some acres up what we call Summit Creek right at

929
00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:52.119
the top there, and he's there from time to time

930
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:56.239
he goes. He uses it for firewood and camping what

931
00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:58.559
but he doesn't live there because snows too deep in

932
00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:01.199
there in the winter and kind of and it's kind

933
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:06.480
of isolated a little bit. But anyway, they've had a

934
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:08.679
right on the edge of his property across the road,

935
00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:11.840
then right down into it a place they called storm

936
00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:15.400
Cane Mountain on the other side, and that's and that's

937
00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:19.760
not terribly common, but it certainly isn't income uncommon. Rather,

938
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:24.199
they're in there. All of that country is tied to

939
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:27.280
all of the rest of the country. There, there's the

940
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:31.840
fingers of that. Very few places that are other than

941
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:37.239
town itself wouldn't support a big put And then you

942
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:40.159
go to board. Now this next not this weekend, but

943
00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:42.559
the following weekend, we're having a big foot round you

944
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:46.679
kind of a thing squatch watch, I think they call it.

945
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:50.119
And out of Brandle and I'll be a speaker there

946
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:54.360
and so this is a good tune up for that. Anyway,

947
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:58.000
I'll be speaker there along with Sarah and John and

948
01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:03.000
course and a whole bunch of those guys from that area.

949
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:07.639
But right right, I know of I counted it up

950
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:11.639
the other day, fifteen or sixteen different accounts from there.

951
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:17.239
For on the west side, west end of that Highway

952
01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:21.239
twelve up to up to the start of the pass

953
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:24.159
is less than forty miles, and I've kind of a

954
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:27.039
fifteen or sixteen different accounts that I'm aware of in

955
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:33.239
that area. Anywhere you go, once you start, once you

956
01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:37.239
crack that nut, you find that there's all kinds of

957
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:38.079
stuff going on.

958
01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:43.119
Oh absolutely, I mean, and the Browns have a fantastic

959
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:46.400
documentary about Highway twelve. I know you're in that one

960
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:49.360
as well, right, yeah, yeah, it's great.

961
01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:58.079
Yeah, I'm the ugly guy with the mustard colored coat anyway,

962
01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:02.400
and I take my take my ugliness with a certain

963
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:04.440
amount of pride. I mean, I'm eighty years old. Where

964
01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:07.079
to get it worked hard for that?

965
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:11.039
There you go, Jack, I've got one more question for you,

966
01:01:11.079 --> 01:01:13.000
and thank you so much for spending so much time

967
01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:17.440
with us today. I hear a lot about from the

968
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:22.000
Packwood area. Is that really as active as people will say?

969
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:22.599
Do you think?

970
01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:29.519
Or more so? Wow? Well that we for twenty one years.

971
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:32.719
My wife and I went, like I say, we're always

972
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:35.960
out and we bought a piece of property three miles

973
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:40.000
west of Packwood and so we lived there. We built

974
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:44.400
an off grade home buyers in an isolated place on

975
01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:47.360
Forest Road twenty Do you ever get up that direction?

976
01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:52.079
It's it's not the home today that it wasn't when

977
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:55.159
we built it. You know, people don't take care of

978
01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:57.960
things the same. But anyway, and that the world we

979
01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:01.920
lived on them At thirteen miles, I'll give you this story.

980
01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:04.880
We were at thirteen miles to the top, and the

981
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:08.360
top is at Jackpot Lake is forty five hundred feet.

982
01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:12.239
There's a lake up there, same level as as White Pass,

983
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:17.639
and it's up and down at rugged country. I had

984
01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:19.280
been in there and I hunted in there. I was

985
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:23.960
a bow hunter for thirty years and we hunted all

986
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:27.960
of that country all the time. Did we ever see

987
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:31.159
that big clip? No? Was I ever run out of

988
01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:35.320
the country, because I think there was one. Absolutely, there's

989
01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:39.559
places within I just walk from my home and I'd

990
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:44.079
be up on a ridge line and going hunting in there,

991
01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:47.920
and something would stop. I've never been stopped by a

992
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:50.599
bear or a cougar. Those things don't bother me. I

993
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:54.360
just keep it going. But something stopped me a couple

994
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:57.320
of times on that one. And then farther up on

995
01:02:57.360 --> 01:02:59.880
the ridge, my wife and I both were on a

996
01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:03.760
trail that we it was common to us, and we

997
01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:05.840
got part of the way up there, and we looked

998
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:08.559
at each other and said, we don't belong here, and

999
01:03:08.639 --> 01:03:11.719
we left. And but the next time up we can

1000
01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:15.199
go right on through up at the lake when there's

1001
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:17.840
a pot whole lake called jackpot at the very top

1002
01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:20.679
I was telling you about. I had my canoe out

1003
01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:25.199
there back when I could use it. Don't get old

1004
01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:26.880
if you can help it. And if you do get old,

1005
01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:30.000
stay young with it, will you? Anyway? The eppshot is

1006
01:03:30.039 --> 01:03:32.840
I'm on the leg. There was not a sound, There's

1007
01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:34.760
not a puff of wind. There was not a bug

1008
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:38.239
or a bird or nothing. And I'm trying to fish,

1009
01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:43.880
and I'm a fly fisherman, and I'm thinking this, you know,

1010
01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:47.840
this is this spooky Today It was getting towards the evening,

1011
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:51.039
and I like the evening fishing anyway, And all of

1012
01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:56.400
a sudden, for no reason, this tree, and I don't

1013
01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:58.639
know how big it was, but I figured it had

1014
01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:02.679
to be six eight ten inches diameter anyway to make

1015
01:04:02.719 --> 01:04:04.920
that kind of noise when it fell. And we're in

1016
01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:08.880
the tall timber. We're in a patch of timber that

1017
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:14.559
is pristine. And so I thought to myself, so why

1018
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:18.159
don't you take your canoe up to the other end

1019
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:20.440
of the lake where you can see what happened. So

1020
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:23.480
I'm paddling along. I get right up there to the shore,

1021
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:26.480
and I'm looking up to the timber up there, and

1022
01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:29.440
it was reasonably clear. There was no wind. There was

1023
01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:31.760
no reason for that tree to just up and fall

1024
01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:38.119
over dead, And and I had that saying you don't

1025
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:41.559
belong here feeling. I turned the canoe and I went home.

1026
01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:48.559
That happened and another story that here and this this

1027
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:56.559
is as true as the gospel, and it reminds me, well, anyway, uh,

1028
01:04:56.599 --> 01:05:01.599
this this gentleman who hunted all the hills around there,

1029
01:05:02.239 --> 01:05:06.280
I ended his physical prowess. He was able to do

1030
01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:08.079
what he wanted to do and go where he wanted

1031
01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:10.639
to do. Some of those things I could do at

1032
01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:14.239
the time went not near like he could do anyway.

1033
01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:17.039
He was up beyond the lake, and the only way

1034
01:05:17.079 --> 01:05:19.400
to get out is to come back down the same

1035
01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:24.280
road he went in thirteen miles long, and he came

1036
01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:28.039
up to a place and out in front, he's coming back.

1037
01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:30.079
He's trying to come back and looks in the road

1038
01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:33.719
in front, and there's a big foot stand right in

1039
01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:38.519
a road. And he was maybe seventy five eighty yards

1040
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:41.000
who knows, I don't know what it was close enough

1041
01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:43.760
that he could see everything he needed to see. And

1042
01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:49.800
the animal was just standing there, bellering, just he had

1043
01:05:49.840 --> 01:05:53.559
something in his hand and he would go back and forth,

1044
01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:56.360
and he's like, I don't think he would be beating

1045
01:05:56.360 --> 01:06:00.679
on his chest, but he was irritated and yelling and

1046
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:04.760
screaming and everything. It scared this guy so bad. He

1047
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:06.519
didn't know whether he's going to get either or not,

1048
01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:10.400
just sitting there in the car. And so after a while,

1049
01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:14.119
I think the big puts kind of settled down a

1050
01:06:14.119 --> 01:06:18.280
little bit and realized that he was in the road

1051
01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:23.519
and he didn't want to be there. And the animals

1052
01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:27.519
carrying something apart, okay, And when he was done it

1053
01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:30.639
was he left it on the ground. It went over

1054
01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:34.199
the bank, the animal went over the bank, down through

1055
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:39.199
the steaming, down through the timber and everything. And so

1056
01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:40.920
finally the guy says, I got to go home. The

1057
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:43.599
only way go home s keep going. So he drove up.

1058
01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:47.719
He stopped right there where the animal had crossed the

1059
01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:50.719
road because he wanted. He opened the door enough to

1060
01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:54.719
look down to see what what what the animal had

1061
01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:58.639
in his hand, And it happened to be a feminine napkin.

1062
01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:03.119
And for some reason that well, I think I think

1063
01:07:03.159 --> 01:07:08.159
we guess the reason. But it had enraged him or

1064
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:13.480
drove him nuts of some sort, and he went crazy

1065
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:18.000
on there. But the guy that then he finally he

1066
01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:21.599
finally got out of there, went home, and talking to

1067
01:07:21.679 --> 01:07:24.639
him later, he says, that's one place I will never

1068
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:27.320
go again. I'm not hunting there. And he'd hunter all

1069
01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:30.840
the country and you wouldn't. He would not go. He

1070
01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:34.679
wouldn't take a chance. My thinking on that, too, though,

1071
01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:38.079
is where can you go that you're not going to

1072
01:07:38.199 --> 01:07:43.840
run into eventually run into something like that. I don't

1073
01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:46.880
deal with that. I just I would go ahead and go,

1074
01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:49.360
but I would keep my head on a swivel. I

1075
01:07:49.400 --> 01:07:55.639
know that, you know, and not because and not because

1076
01:07:55.719 --> 01:08:01.559
I think that you're inherently dangerous. They are, respect in

1077
01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:05.199
one respect, they're huge. You talk about eight an eight

1078
01:08:05.239 --> 01:08:10.440
foot something that weighs six hundred pounds and then literally

1079
01:08:10.599 --> 01:08:14.880
tear your head off. Well if if that was what

1080
01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:18.239
they wanted to do. But all that I think, all

1081
01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:21.319
they really want to do is, you know, make a

1082
01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:25.039
little space, leave me alone. And I look at it

1083
01:08:25.079 --> 01:08:27.960
from that perspective. I have been in so many places

1084
01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:32.279
even as we're talking, and different situations are coming up

1085
01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:34.880
in my mind that I've talked to people about places

1086
01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:38.560
and and uh and then and then you have people

1087
01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:42.600
that have had those experiences, and they won't they won't

1088
01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:45.399
go beyond the fact that I'm pretty sure I saw

1089
01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:47.399
one and that's where they stopped. They won't into the

1090
01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:53.279
details because there's too many people out there ready to

1091
01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:56.560
pick apart their their story and none of us like that.

1092
01:08:57.600 --> 01:08:59.800
I finally, I just get numbed over to it. I figure,

1093
01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:02.199
he does the picture. You's got to be a big foot,

1094
01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:03.479
all the clear ones dark.

1095
01:09:04.279 --> 01:09:07.279
There you go especially today with Yeah, I get it,

1096
01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:11.880
I get Jack, What what a conversation? I mean, You've

1097
01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:16.239
got a lifetime of listening to people share their encounters

1098
01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:19.119
and thank you for sharing some of those today and uh,

1099
01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:22.760
you know, stuff that is very interesting from one side

1100
01:09:22.760 --> 01:09:25.720
of the Washington to the other. And thank you for

1101
01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:29.479
coming on the show. I hope you're uh randall goes

1102
01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:31.680
well for you. That's coming up in a few weeks

1103
01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:33.279
the uh, I believe.

1104
01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:35.239
It's weekend, two weeks too week.

1105
01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:40.920
Yep Sasquatch beyond the footprint And if if this is

1106
01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:43.279
out afterwards, people need to make sure they go next

1107
01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:45.239
year too, because it's I mean, it's going to be

1108
01:09:45.279 --> 01:09:47.439
a great festival from what it looks like, a lot

1109
01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:48.279
of good people there.

1110
01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:52.560
But yeah, yeah, but I think so we're looking we're

1111
01:09:52.600 --> 01:09:55.640
looking forward to there will be near enough time to

1112
01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:56.640
share all the stories.

1113
01:09:56.720 --> 01:10:02.159
Oh yeah absolutely, yea, but yeah, Jack, thank you so

1114
01:10:02.239 --> 01:10:03.479
much for coming on the show.

1115
01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:05.479
And we'll have to keep in touch. Thank you.

1116
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:11.319
Yeah, don't believe yet or you'll sign yourself off. Whatever

1117
01:10:11.359 --> 01:10:13.079
you need to do. I need to get your phone

1118
01:10:13.119 --> 01:10:14.640
number because I want to call you right back for

1119
01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:17.680
something else. Can I do that? Oh?

1120
01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:19.560
Actually, how about this. I'm going to go ahead and

1121
01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:23.760
stop the recording and then we'll continue to chat. Okay, Oh,

1122
01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:25.920
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1123
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1124
01:10:28.960 --> 01:10:32.039
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1125
01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:34.760
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1126
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1144
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1145
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