Sasquatch fought a Bear and I found the Body | Oregon Bigfoot Encounters (Archive)

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This week's a wild one, all
right, Big Faciety. We've got the

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privilege of talking to mister Bill Morris
today. He's out there in Oregon and

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he's had some crazy encounters with Bigfoot
over the year. But how's it going

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today? Bill? Going great?
Hotter and firecracker outside but not too bad

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inside. I hear you. I'm
there with you a little bit out here

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in Iowa, and we're a little
bit humid. But I think he got

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us beat out here from what it
from what you said before the show started.

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But so Bill, you've sent you
know, let's get we'll start to

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get into it. You've sent me
an email and there's a lot that you've

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experienced over the years, and it's
very interesting the things that are going on

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in Oregon for you, But I
would love to start first. Let's hear

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a little bit of your backstory.
What is it that first got you interested

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in the Bigfoot phenomenon to begin with? Well, as far as interest,

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I actually wasn't interested to begin with. I didn't really believe in the whole

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existence of the creature. I've heard
my uncle talk about it. He was

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a logger here in the Roseberg area
in Douglas County, and but I've read

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I think I think it was on
the track of Bigfoot. I think that

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was a Peter Burn book when I
was a kid, and I took it

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all with a grain of salt,
and even after my first encounter, because

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my mind actually turned into something different
because I couldn't hardly wrap lie what I

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actually saw. But when I had
my second encounter, which was face to

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face, I could reach out and
touch it, that's how close we were.

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That kind of changed things, and
I just actually tried to bury it

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for most of my life, all
the sightings that I'd had, and then

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I started looking once I was able
to get it off my chest. It

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started with a big foot and bruise
over in ben where I met King Gerhart,

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Quitt, Barrickman, Mark Marcell,
you know all the big names.

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Actually, Mark was the first one
other than my mother that I ever talked

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to about my signing. Wow,
and what year was that, Bill?

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Oh gosh, I think it was
twenty eight. Is really cool that one

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of the first people that you talked
to was Mark Murcell. What a nice

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guy. Have met him a few
times. Such a good guy. He's

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a fabulous guy, such a big
I have no idea who he was.

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We're standing out of the curb and
I said, well, yeah, I

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had this face to face and that
was the one I focused on because that's

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the one that terrified me the most. And I told Mark my story and

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just by telling a stranger, because
I had no clue who Mark Morcel was,

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I didn't know anything about eight Canyon
or any of the stuff going on

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there. And so we talked about
that a little bit and it was liberating,

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getting it off my shoulders, a
secret that I kept inside me for

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thirty eight years. Yeah, and
that was hard. Even my mother and

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I she experienced too, my sidings
with me and or experience as one experience

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one siding. We never really talked
about it much. I just buried it.

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Even my soulmate who passed away twenty
six and a half, almost twenty

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seven years ago, I don't think
I ever told her. Wow, And

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that's one of my just been in
a really deep secret bill talk for a

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little bit about what it's like.
How does it affect you when you've been

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holding on to something like that for
so long and you're finally able to get

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it out there in the open.
What does that do to as a person.

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Why is it important for listeners to
do that too? Chills right now?

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Actually, for even thinking about it, it was just absolutely liberating.

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It was just so much of a
thing off my shoulders, you know,

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because it was so traumatizing, especially
my second encounter when I was face to

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face. You know, I had
no ideal. My complete attitude towards the

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creatures is completely different now it's one
hundred and eighty degrees. I have no

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fear of them, and that's probably
why I'm able to spend time with them.

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But yeah, just being able to
talk about it, and the more

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I talked about it, and that's
part of the reason, you know,

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it's taken you and I a year
kind of to get to this point,

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is because I'm still was in that
process of being able to talk about it

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because you know, it brings back
some of the trauma, and it's just

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holding that in for so long.
It's just nobody needs to hold that in.

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You need to find somebody to talk
to. And that was the reason

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I went over there, was to
get this off my mind. And I

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never planned on being a researcher.
That all just kind of happened because I

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was actually calling BS on somebody and
their technique and it actually worked the first

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time out, Yeah, which was
signing number five, which kind of blew

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my mind. And now he and
I are just the best of friends.

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Matter of fact, I just spent
a couple of days with him up in

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Enoencloud, Washington, and that would
be mister Tom Cantrall gotcha. And actually

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the first day I was out with
Tom, I found prints. Oh wow,

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can you tell me a little bit
about that. We had breakfast at

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a great little restaurant called Charlie's that
they had there at eden clob best breakfast

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of lunches, and he's like,
well, you want to go for a

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ride, Well let's do it.
So we hit it up. I'm sure

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you know who Barbing Yabby was Barb
has a site of their barb shoot,

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and we went up to where her
campsite was. A matter of fact,

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she had a camp out there just
a couple of days after we'd been there,

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and Tom had just show me around
and he says, well, you

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know, he pulled up. There's
a little spur road just off above the

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campsite. He says, go,
tell me what you see. So I

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walk out there and I'm kind of
looking around. I look over to my

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right and I see this nice arch
tree that goes over the creek, but

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off on the left side. As
I was facing it, you could see

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that it was weaved in the whole
archway and to hold the archway over this

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little creek. I'm like, oh, that's pretty cool. Well I got

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cooler stuff from my area, but
that's okay. And I looked to my

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left and I see this freshly snapped
tree. It was snapped about four feet

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up and this thing was probably i
would say, eleven inches in diameter,

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just a typical snap that they do. It almost looks like they're cut,

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but they're not. And I'm looking
at that, and I'm looking around.

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I look up and I see just
this big archway through the woods of a

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what Bobo would call a Sasquatch highway, and I'm going, wow, cool

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spot. Nice And I look down
and I find three prints and they were

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all about ten inches by about three
and a half. So I figured they're

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probably juvenile. And I was not
expecting to find out and guess where my

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hydro calais at home because I was
on vacation. I wasn't expecting to go

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squatch. And I'm like, Tom, I found they plants there. Check

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out this picture you see? Toes
He's like, oh, yeah, that's

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wild. That's wild. And so
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you know, being a juvenile print? How far were the prints away from

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each other? And just kind of
curious about that. Well, this one

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that it wasn't really walking. It
was kind of staggered right there. So

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there's a big ravine that goes down
in a little waterway that comes down,

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so it was kind of staggered.
Look, I think it was kind of

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looking for a spot to step down
in the ravine and continue on to the

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other side. And so they were
only I would say one was probably about

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twenty inches from the other. Then
the other one was fairly clod, so

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like it stood there and was just
getting ready to step off over the side.

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Interesting, it always happens on vacation. I'm almost scared to go on

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vacation next. That's going to happen. My son and I in April,

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we were he was coming up from
calif Fory for a wedding and I took

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him out to my area and we
found a trackway, well, probably four

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hundred plus prints at least of my
four clan members of the one that I

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study. And I left the lens
cap on the camera when I was filming

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the trackway and we were running out
of time because we had a dinner to

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do. You know, it's always
the last minute thing that just blows everything.

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You know. It's like I said, I blew the whole trackway.

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Are you kidding me? You know
it's seventy two degrees. They're melting down,

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you know, and it was as
far as the eye could see.

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It was just Oh, I just
kicked myself all day. So the next

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morning we went up and refilmed it
before we headed up to Eugene for a

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wedding at the Well Hall one of
his best friends. So each time though

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I was we were pressed for time
so I could really get the documentation and

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it just killed me because to blow
that one was just I just keep kicking

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myself over it. It's something it's
a hard lesson to learn. For sure.

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I've I haven't done anything like that, but we did. Know that's

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just me. Yeah, I mean
I've had stuff happen and we didn't have

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the audio recorder going, and next
time that'll never happen again. I kind

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of get it. But trackway is
kind of a different animal. But Bill,

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tell, take me back to the
time when you first experienced something related

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to bigfoot and what was that?
What was that first encounter? Like what

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point in your life did that happen? Well, for what I know now,

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I actually had a lot of different
signs here and there throughout my life

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because I've spent I spend so much
time in the woods. You know,

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I think I sometimes spend more time
in the woods than I do in society.

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It's just my place to get my
zin. Well, I was sixteen

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years old and with my first visual
encounter, and I had a hard time

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getting people to go hunting. You
know, they would say, oh,

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yeah, I'll be there, I'll
see you like three thirty in the morning,

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and there comes three thirty, there
comes four thirty, five thirty.

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I finally got tired of it,
and it's like, you know what,

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if it's going to happen, I
just got to do it for myself.

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So I lived on a ranch called
the s Diamond Ranch in Myrtle Creek.

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It's a sheep ranch, working sheep
ranch. At the time. It was

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owned by Mike and Levina Airwood,
and they were good family friends. Mike

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was an Air Force pilot. He
also owned the airport in Tri City,

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Oregon, which is an extension of
Myrtle Creek, and he was teaching me

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to fly at the time. But
right behind the trailer where we lived,

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we were up on a little rise
above the roadway and they had just kind

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of cut the bank back and leveled
things out to put this mobile home in

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there. And so just off the
cut bank, I would climb up that

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and just go up over the hill
because I had permission to hunt. And

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there's a little gate there, but
they never completed a roadway through there.

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So I go through the gate on
to the other side of the property.

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So it is over five hundred acres
the property, so it's basically three quarters

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of a square mile, so plenty
a room to hunt on. And I

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got through the gate, which is
in the the wooded area directly behind my

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place, and it's only maybe I
would say, eighty yards from the cut

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bank to where I could hit this
little grassy road. The road is installed

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on the other side, but it
was never really completed. It just stopped

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right there at the gate. And
so I come through the gate, I

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get about I would say, maybe
twenty yards down from the gate, which

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is clear. I could see it
from if you were on the other side,

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you could see me at the top. And I saw some movement to

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my left and I looked at it, and I'm carrying an old lever action

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Winchester forty four octagon barrel, just
a beautiful piece of equipment, and I'm

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looking at this saying, I'm going, what the heck am I seeing?

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It kind of looked like a rabbit. And that's how my mind actually rationalized

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what I saw a giant rabbit.
Kim Gerhart, Tim Gerhart, I'll tell

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you this, I said, Tim, you never seen anybody see anything about

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a giant rabbit. Because it took
years. Actually, only that memory just

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kind of unlocked for me about a
year and a half ago, because I

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had buried it so deeply, you
know that I didn't want to I didn't

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want to rationalize. What I actually
saw was a sasquatch. But it had

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his back legs chucked behind it,
just like a rabbit sitting at rest and

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with his arms down and tucked back
in, and he was just down,

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hunkered down, trying to be invisible. But if it hadn't been for that

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little movement he made, I would
have never seen him. I would have

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never noticed him because when we're out
hunting, we're looking for the ears.

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The deer. They always do this
because the bugs they can't help themselves.

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That's their dead giveaway. So it's
real easy to find a deer laying down

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or kind of bed it down.
You just look for that ear movement.

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And but I stared at this,
saying it was tricolored, which you know,

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I've had rabbits that were actually colored
like this, so that's why my

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mind went to that. And it
was black, dark brown and red,

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and the brown and reddish was kind
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I stared at it for probably about
two minutes and then it took a dive

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into the woods, and I never
heard a sound. I never heard it

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land, I never heard it lead
the exit the area or anything. It

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was just vanished. And but what
I remember is when it took that dive,

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it did like a Superman dive.
Saw hands extended out in front of

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him like a Rabbits don't have hands. So, you know, my brain

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just completely just tucked out away.
I never even told my mom that story,

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you know, because I just didn't
know what I saw. I just

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couldn't figure out. My brain was
going, Nah, you know, it

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was a rabbit, it was giant. No, giant rabbits don't exist.

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Well this one didn't, So you
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And that was I just kind of
stood there and kind of looked and kind

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of looked around, and I walked
over to where dove into and I I

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never saw another sign of this thing, never heard another sound. So and

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that was the end of that one. Oh. I just kind of forgot

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about that one and went on with
life. I have at least one question

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that is so fascinating, and I
can't I'm trying to put myself in my

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frame of mind of when I was
sixteen, how I was thinking, I

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can't do it no different, okay, very open minded, you know,

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and I still am. And I
think that's maybe why they chose me to

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begin with, because I think they
choose you. You You don't just things

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don't happen by happenstance. They I
think they feel that you're open minded and

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that maybe, hey, maybe we'll
take a chance on this human. You

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know. Some people have talked to
me saying that if you're in listeners,

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be along for the ride. Here
we go, guys, it's going to

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be fun. What sometimes, when
you are going to look for them,

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you may want to have a certain
positive intention in your mind to make it

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clear to them that everything's okay and
it's things of that nature, so that

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there's not a negative intention when you're
going out to the area because supposed supposedly

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they can know before you even get
there. I think they can read your

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mind like an open book. They
can read you very clear. And that's

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the experiences I'm having now, is
that you can't hide anything from them,

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you know, And if you're out
there with any kind of ill intentions,

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you'll never see one binging on trees
call blasting. That just makes me laugh.

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You don't. First of all,
you don't know what you're broadcasting.

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When you're call blasting some other sasquatches
call, they could be saying get over

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your I will whoop your booty.
You know, you just don't know.

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I don't want nothing to do with
that. I don't want some rage and

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sasquatch coming at me ready to kill
me. You know, because if they

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wanted to, would not be a
problem. If you it's the size of

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them that's really scary, and most
people's encounters, they're terrified because you know,

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we grew up in a society where
there's monsters. You know, I

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grew up with you know, all
these you see the inserts and everything else,

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and you grew up with that,
you know, good oldly in our

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nemo big for society will be right
back after these messages. I love those.

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I love the horror things. I
loved the all types of horror movies.

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I used to watch stuff. I
couldn't wait to get home so I

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could watch a horror show of some
sort. But you know, we have

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that in our mind, and they
just look scary, but they're actually quite

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gentle. I found out and I
had to change my mindset because I was

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actually to a podcast one day and
somebody made the statement was they never tried

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to hurt me, and that stuck
in my mind, just solid, and

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I got to thinking about that,
and I dwelt on that for months,

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and you know what, even when
I was face to face, he was

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never aggressive one where in any a
shape or form, And every encounter I

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had was not aggressive. As a
matter of fact, my fourth encounter,

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I felt it was telling me goodbye
for now because it was leaving and I

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didn't have another encounter for, you
know, over thirty years. So because

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I wasn't ready, I think they
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It's very interesting and I think there's
something to be said of that, you

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know, just in the fact that
when we're going through life, there's certain

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time periods in our lives when we
might be focused on certain things and definitely

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not be being able to see the
weird stuff that's happening in life. But

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there's some other points where you get
to be you're taking things a little bit

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more easy, you're not rushing,
you're noticing things in nature, you're going

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out in nature to begin with nature, and then you start to see and

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most of your sightings, say you
said in your email, happened around a

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certain area. Now, I'll leave
it up to you if I don't know

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if what you shared in that email
was public, But is that anything that

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you can share for context wise or
absolutely? I can get right into the

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second side of it, all right, Cool, they all happened. Well.

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I lived in Myrtle Creek, I
said, I was on the as

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Diamond Ranch, which was three and
a half miles from town. The ranch

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was and where they started the mileage
markers at an area called the Why.

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It's where a South Myrtle you come
down through town past the schools and go

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straight on out that becomes South Myrtle
and you take a left, and that

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brings you on to North Myrtle,
and I think the mild marker starts there

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rather than any place else. But
then there was a market there called the

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Super Y Market. So that's you
know, pretty much where the y came

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from. I would imagine. I
don't know the full story on it.

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It doesn't exist any longer, so
that's the unfortunate part. I knew the

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owners of it very well, grew
up with them, and went to all

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the schools there. So we'll just
say this was in either the last week

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of May or the first week of
June, which by signing number two,

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my mom and I had gotten in
a bit of an argument. I was

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a teenager. I was seventeen.
I just turned seventeen that March. And

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this was after my first sighting when
I was sixteen, and this is nineteen

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eighty one. And so to cool
off, I walked to town. I

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walked everyone. I had fourteen cars. I owned fourteen cars at that point

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in time. I used to buy
sel fix them up, sell them,

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you know, and helped the family
out with money. And plus it was

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that's all at the time was under
the table money, so it didn't affect

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anything my mom had going on.
And so I walked to town. I

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ended up at some old apartments we
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They're on Johnston Street Myrtle Creek,
and I was visiting some friends there

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and actually it was actually approached by
a skunk that evening out there, and

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I was actually trying to coax it
into Pettitt. That's how I am with

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nature. I mean, I've petted
wild deer, elk in the field because

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I understand the prey and the mentality
of them, you know, and how

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they act and how they interact.
Especially when I've trained dogs, horses,

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sheep, lamas, cows. I've
done all kinds of interesting things. Some

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people have called me, hey,
Bill, you want to teach my animals

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to do this? Let me get
back to you. Let me. Yeah,

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I'll do it. Let me give
it a try. What the heck,

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it's a new experience. But anyways, as we were talking to I

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was talking to friends there, which
the creek runs right behind the place,

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North Myrtle Creek does. Actually I
think it's just Myrtle Creek because I think

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by then both creeks have already come
together at a different point. And it's

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about eleven o'clock at night, all
ready to go to bed. So I'm

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like, okay, well, you
know, I'm going to head for home.

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I'm all calm now, I'm you
know, you know, it's amazing

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what a walk does for you.
But there's a little bridge right there at

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the cross of the creek, and
I crossed that, crossed over that bridge,

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and the first strangeness started. Then
I heard like something was in the

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water. Walking underneath the bridge.
You know, you get as you're moving

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your legs through, you get that
air the air pocket behind your legs,

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and it gives a cavitation sound.
And I heard that, I'm like,

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well, that's very strange. The
heck would be in a creek in the

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middle of the night, and I
smelled something I've never smelled before. It

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was like a combination, and I've
heard other people describe it the exact same

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way, which was like wet dog, a skunk smell, but not quite

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a skunk, you know, it
was different than a skunk, but in

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that same type of category. And
rotted meat or rotted flesh of some sort,

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just a combination all of one.
I was like, boy, you

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know, there's somebody needs to take
out the garbage because something was pretty bad.

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So I'm like just kind of shrugged
it off and kept walking. I

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have to go down the street,
hang the left, and come back up,

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and that's where you hit the super
wide. But you have to cross

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the creek on another bridge, and
the same sound when I crossed that spot,

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and the same smell, And there
was a little trail that ran up

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behind the market, which was kind
of a shortcut comes behind the store that

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I can get across the park and
lot saves me from because when you get

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up to the wy there's really no
place to walk, you know, I

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mean, you end up getting run
over if you're not careful. So I

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took the shortcut up and over and
just started hit it for home. And

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I was called, now a better
frame of mind. So I'm walking.

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I get up just past the one
mile post. And the worst part of

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this was is my last wife that
I was married to. You could where

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we lived, you could look right
at the one mile post. So that

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brought a lot of it back.
But I got over. I was fine

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with it by that point, and
I just passed that and I heard four

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and not only just heard them,
but felt them. There's a three foot

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difference between where the road was and
where this was walking, and I heard

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four footsteps, and I heard them
and felt them. They were very loud

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and very powerful steps. I thought, oh, maybe somebody's horse or cowgrat

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loose. And on the fourth step, I looked to my right and it

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was right there. I could reach
out and touch it without even straightening my

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arm. All the way as far
as the full extension goes, and all

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I can see is and this is
what I tell people. Their eyes are

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self illuminating. A matter of fact, we just brought Todd nice onto our

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side because somebody else demonstrated to him
that in the dark they first of all,

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that they call sasquatches out every day. They called them out every day

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to him for five days to prove
it to him, blew his mind.

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Then the eye glow they called.
Everybody calls it an eye shine, but

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when there's no light around, it's
completely dark, and they're illuminated in the

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dark. That makes them self illuminating. And this sasquatch eyes were green,

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and the biggest thing that stopped my
heart, and it hit me like I

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understood the phrase a bolt of fear
because it was instant. I could not

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move, but it was, you
know, the eyes were, you know,

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almost twice as white as mine.
And I'm like, what is this

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thing? And they were glowing green
and it was a really cool color of

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green too, by the way,
And I just stood there and stared.

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I could not move. I do
remember running through my head the phrase feet

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don't fail me now. And then
I was a little upset at my feet

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because they did not work. Nothing
worked I could not move. We stared

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at each other face to face.
I could see, you know, everybody's

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just you know, got the conical
head, you know, and then this

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one's not quite ass conical. It
had a little bit of rise to the

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top of the head, but not
like you know some are, and I

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could just see that line. It
was very dark. I could see the

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shoulders, which really terrified me.
This thing was four feet white and just

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thick and burly. And I'm just
focused on the ice and just staring at

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each other and I could not move. I tried, and nothing worked.

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I was just frozen thin. People
are calling that zapped of some sort.

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And then after about two minutes,
it just turned and walked away. And

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it took three steps and I never
heard just like the first one, never

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heard another sound, not another noise, nothing. I probably stood there probably

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for another two or three minutes because
I was just my mind was like,

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what just happened? That was a
sasquatch and there was no sands or butts

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about it. They're not supposed to
exist. I'm focused on that spot where

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it was. I start walking backwards, back Towardstown, and then jogging backwards,

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then turned and I probably did that
mile. I swear it was in

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thirty seconds. It was fast.
I never run so fast in my life.

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And I got up to the store
there of the Super Why and put

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myself dead center. It kind of
had a lower brick wall around the thing,

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and I just felt a little safer
there. And I was just cowering

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like a scared little child. And
there was a payphone right there, and

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I didn't have any change, but
we used to click on the receiver part,

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you know, and that was kind
of a signal at home, you

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know, if you didn't have any
money, they you know, and you

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got that call, but there was
nothing there and you heard the clicks,

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you know that something's going on.
Well, there was only two payphones in

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town. One was downtown and one
was right there, so it was really

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easy to find me. My mom
come flying into town, turned and I

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jumped in the car and said dive, now go. And she looked at

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me and she's like, if anybody
asked what I look like when this happened,

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she said Bill was white. And
she said Bill's not white, you

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know, because I'm I had my
dad was Native American, so I'm all

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00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:49.559
in complected skin. And I was
just white as a sheet. And when

408
00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:52.640
we got close to that point,
I'm just telling her the word the siding

409
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:56.720
was, I said, Flora.
She says, well, do you tell

410
00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:59.279
me what's going on? I said, I just saw a bigfoot. I

411
00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:03.759
said, it just I was so
terrified because it was just the blue unexpected.

412
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:07.920
Of course, they're always unexpected.
It's not a planned event. And

413
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:11.640
oh, it just it took me
days to just calm myself after that because

414
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:15.000
it was just it just blew my
mind, absolutely blew my mind. I

415
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.359
didn't believe in them, even after
deciding I had before, but that was

416
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:22.400
a giant rabbit. Remember, I
didn't associate it. I still didn't associate

417
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:26.519
it as being a sasquatch all these
years until about a year and a half

418
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:29.759
ago, is when that memory finally
unlocked the rest of the way and I

419
00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:33.559
went, whoa wait a minute,
this has been going on before that siding.

420
00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:36.759
So, but yeah, it was
it was it was something else.

421
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:40.480
I'll tell you. So I was
going to ask you, so your first

422
00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:44.119
sighting was age sixteen, Then you
had a year and a half until this.

423
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:48.319
No, actually it was only months. Oh, it started in October

424
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.039
nineteen eighty one, which was the
hunting season, so I knew that event

425
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:56.480
and that's what I was hunting solo. And then the next one was May

426
00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:00.680
of the next year, so it
was only like seven or months later,

427
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:04.240
or nine months, however many months
it was. The second one hits you,

428
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:08.680
And did you experience anything like infrasound
when you were that close to that

429
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:11.799
creature the second time? I mean, like, the only thing I could

430
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:15.880
say is I couldn't move. No
matter what I tried to do, I

431
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:19.720
could not move. I was absolutely
frozen in place. And like I said,

432
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:26.720
I told my feet, don't fail
me now. I want them to

433
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:30.319
work so bad, but they wouldn't. I couldn't do anything. I could

434
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:33.279
not move an inch. I was
just frozen. I want to point out,

435
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:38.319
so I do have a few younger
listeners, and you want to point

436
00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.759
out the thing that you said about
the payphone. So you gotta remember,

437
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:47.960
guys in the early eighty we didn't
have cell phones on us all the time,

438
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:52.920
and you had this like telephone in
the middle of town on a pole,

439
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:56.759
and you had to use quarters to
make or dimes or whatever to make

440
00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:03.359
a phone call of those so you
like clicking a few times and that was

441
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:07.119
your code to your mom, that's
pretty cool. That's some stranger things stuff

442
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:10.319
because they could hear that click in
the background, so it was like,

443
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:12.359
oh, ding ding, Okay,
I'm needed. So what was cool is

444
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:15.839
there's only two in town, so
it was pretty easy to find. Big

445
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:37.240
for Society will be right back after
these messages. So smart. You mentioned

446
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:41.880
another thing that kind of set off
a bell in my head. You mentioned

447
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:51.200
your your father was Native American.
Do you think having that relation plays into

448
00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:56.680
this at all? Or you said
how you're really connected to nature, connected

449
00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.839
to animals. Have you ever thought
of that before. I think it's more

450
00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:06.119
of the open mindedness and me being
connected to nature and being very observant when

451
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:10.039
I'm out there, you know,
because I'm kind of a and I can

452
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:11.480
tell you at the time when I
had my face to face with him,

453
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:15.799
I was bodybuilding. I was a
big dude. I'm still a big dude.

454
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:19.440
You know. I'm fifty nine years
old, and you know I'm not

455
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:23.319
a little guy. I'm six foot
tall. At the time when I had

456
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:30.920
this sighting, I had a fifty
four inch chest, a thirty two inch

457
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.799
waist, twenty one inch arms,
twenty two inch neck. I was the

458
00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.759
same dimensions as Arnold Schwartzenegger. I
just wasn't cut as well as he was,

459
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:41.640
you know, and this saying,
and when I told him this,

460
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.400
when I was on Poor Convenience,
I said, it made me feel like

461
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.839
Billy Barty. I know, these
kids don't know who Billy Barty is.

462
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:52.000
He was a dwarf guy. And
I think Billy was only like three foot

463
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:56.079
nine somewhere around there. He's a
very small man. And that's what this

464
00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.240
thing made me feel like. When
I was standing next to it, it

465
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:05.480
was like the entire state building versus
an apartment building. You know, It's

466
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:10.279
it was quite a size difference.
Made me feel very small and very insignificant.

467
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:15.640
But I think mostly it's my probably
my open mindedness and my connection to

468
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:19.200
nature, because I've always been connected
to nature, even though you look at

469
00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:22.839
me mainly man, a tough guy. Well yeah, but you don't know

470
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.680
this side of me. And it's
not a side that I ever really let

471
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:30.240
people know about. Only a few
people know that. You know, I'm

472
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:32.119
not connected. I get through.
I'm listening for the birds. I listened

473
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:37.319
to the wind. You know.
I appreciate the beauty of nature. I

474
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:42.359
love to take pictures of flowers,
rainbows, all that stuff. You know,

475
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:45.799
it's something that you could look at
me and go, well, that's

476
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:49.319
pretty unexpected. I mean, you
can look through my pictures on Facebook and

477
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:52.880
go, this guy's kind of interesting. So then at that point in your

478
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:59.359
life you've had the second encounter,
what are your thoughts towards this creature you've

479
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:04.839
been experiencing. Are you fully on
board with Okay, Sasquatch is real,

480
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:08.039
although you did say it was later
in life when you totally realize all this

481
00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:13.160
stuff. Well, no, as
far as being real, the face to

482
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:17.480
face ash so that absolutely solidified it
that this is not a mythical creature.

483
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:22.319
It's real. It's flesh, it's
blood, it breeze, and it's big,

484
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:28.960
absolutely colossal in size. Now it's
just then my fourth or third siding

485
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:32.839
for me, I cited it by
my mother didn't and I think she experienced

486
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:36.440
the infra sound and believe it or
not, just a few months ago.

487
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:39.160
This is the first time she told
me that she could not move the entire

488
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:45.480
night. Oh wow, that she
was paralyzed. And what happened was I

489
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:49.960
felt it watching and so did she. We were different ends of the trailer.

490
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.519
So we're fifty feet apart. She
had the master bedroom all the way

491
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:57.839
the other side. I actually took
a living room. It's actually a family

492
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.720
room. It was huge. I
had piano, and because I was in

493
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:02.400
a band and everything, we used
to have them come over and practice.

494
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:07.119
Everybody in the valley loved it because
the sound would echo up the valley there.

495
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:08.920
When we get compliments the next day, he goes, hey, you

496
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:12.519
guys, sounded great last night.
I was like, oh, oh you

497
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.000
heard that. Oh yeah, that
echoes all way up the valley. That's

498
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:20.519
cool. But felt that had that
feeling, and this was the first time

499
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:23.039
actually had that feeling where the hair
stand up on the back of your neck

500
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:28.320
and you just feel like something's just
watching you. You know, something unseen

501
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:30.480
is watching you. So I went
to my back window, which faces the

502
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:35.760
bank, the cut bank behind from
the area where I had my first sighting,

503
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:39.880
and I looked, actually looked out
the window and the first tree there.

504
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:44.000
It was squatted down next to the
first tree. I saw the glowing

505
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:47.760
eyes, and I coosed the curtains, crawled in, bed, jumped.

506
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:51.880
I was in the fetal position the
entire night, and it stayed there the

507
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:54.480
entire night, and the next morning, when my mom got up, I

508
00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:59.199
heard her head towards you know,
when this feeling finally disappeared was probably about

509
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:04.039
five three in the morning. So
this is the entire night it sat there

510
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:08.519
and watched and just right there behind
my window, which was only thirty feet

511
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:13.320
away. The sighting the first Saturday, and I had distance wise from it,

512
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:15.719
I was only about thirty to thirty
five feet away, you know.

513
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:21.000
Then the sighting number two, I
was two feet away. So this Saturday

514
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:22.960
and I was about thirty thirty five
feet away I would say thirty. It

515
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:27.639
was closer to thirty. And so
as soon as I heard her get up,

516
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:30.159
I ran into the kitchen. I'm
like, trying to be cool,

517
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:34.320
just lea good. She said,
I didn't sleep a wink. I went,

518
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.840
oh, okay, I'm not the
only one. What's up? She's

519
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:42.199
I just felt something just staring at
us all night long. I just couldn't

520
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.679
sleep. She's just so just and
I couldn't move, is what she told

521
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:49.559
me. Just recently. So there
comes the infrasound, you know, of

522
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.760
being what they call z after whatever
you want to call it. But she

523
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:57.480
said she was absolutely paralyzed the entire
night and as soon as it went away.

524
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.440
That's when she got up and headed
for the kitchen, you know,

525
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:05.199
because she didn't have any understanding of
it. Then I told her what went

526
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:07.159
on that night, I said,
I looked out the window. I saw

527
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:10.760
him back there. I saw those
glowing eyes, and I just freaked out,

528
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:15.639
climbed to bed and just curled up
and don't you don't kill us,

529
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:20.039
you know, I mean I had
no idea, you know that it was

530
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:23.480
a gentle being. You know,
it just looks scary, but I was

531
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:27.679
terrified, you know. I just
and this was only about a week and

532
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:31.119
a half after the face to face, so that was still fresh in mind,

533
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:36.440
you know, but it's still again. It never tried to hurt us,

534
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:38.159
never tried to do anything. It
may have even thrown things, as

535
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:42.719
the thing. I just don't remember, you know, as far as that

536
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.559
park goes, because I was just
curled up in bed like a little baby

537
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:50.280
open for my mommy. This big
old guy, you know, like Schwartz

538
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:54.039
nigger, acting like a one year
old infant. I almost wonder you said

539
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:59.519
it happened so close to the last
one. Yeah, I would have to

540
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:04.039
say maybe thirty yards. But the
first time, frame wise, do you

541
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:08.679
think maybe followed you home or was
knew right where I lived. As a

542
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:12.960
matter of fact, I think it
has something to the way I'm looking at

543
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:16.239
things now with the research and stuff
I've been doing. The feeling I have

544
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:22.840
is when one connects with you,
you're on their network and that you they

545
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:28.960
all know who you are. I
don't know if it's your vibration or you

546
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:30.639
know, what it has to do
with you, but I think when one

547
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:35.119
knows you and connects with you,
they all know you. And that's what

548
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:38.280
I'm kind of learning because I'm getting
contact pretty much wherever I go, and

549
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:44.760
I'm testing this out here and there. I was up with Thomas Potter at

550
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:47.800
his research site which is close to
Crater Lake here just about six or eight

551
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:52.639
weeks ago, and they were actually
coming into camp there. You know,

552
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:57.119
we had one approach us. We
were chatting at campfire, and I heard

553
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.079
things coming at us, walking towards
us, and that's sounded by a pedal.

554
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.760
And he still has a monoicum of
fear. Until you lose that fear,

555
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.480
you're not going to be able to
have a visual sighting with him.

556
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:09.599
You know, I believe that is
part of it. Is your fear.

557
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:14.440
They want to make sure they know
you're open minded. But it's that little

558
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:16.079
bit of fear. Even if you
have a small amount of it, they

559
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:20.320
will just kind of stay what they
call, I guess cloaked or they're going

560
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.480
to just stay just out of your
view. And I think the reason they

561
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:27.480
do, and it's not a wood
knock. We all call it wood knocks.

562
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:30.119
It sounds like a wood knock,
but it's actually and it's been witnessed,

563
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:35.320
it's done with their mouth. It's
a pop. Their their throat kind

564
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:37.519
of swells up and they gets this
just powerful pop and I mean it's very

565
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:42.800
powerful and very loud, and it
does sound like somebody's whacking on a tree,

566
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:46.280
but they're doing a pop. Just
so that's the one who has actually

567
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:52.400
witnessed that. I've been told about
it and other people that have actually seen

568
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:54.800
somebody that has witnessed it, and
I can't exactly tell you who. I

569
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:58.000
didn't write things down. I was
just like, oh, you know,

570
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:00.320
that kind of makes sense. Yeah, you know, that absolutely kind of

571
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:06.239
makes sense because they are an incredible
creature. They really are. But I

572
00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:08.400
think, like I said, once
you're on their radar and they get a

573
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:13.159
connection with you. They all know
you, they all know you, and

574
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.000
they'll come out. I'm actually teaching
one of the guys I work with and

575
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:20.760
he's actually took what I told him. And he was up at a local

576
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.719
lake here and he went up and
he heard the wood knocks. He said,

577
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:28.360
sound like somebody was knock topping on
wood. He's I knew what that

578
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.840
was because you told me about it. And this guy's really calm and chill

579
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:35.360
like I am, and you know, very open minded, a Spanish guy

580
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:37.960
from Mexico. And so he says, okay. He walks up there and

581
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:42.719
he says, hey, holler's out. I know who you are. It's

582
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:45.119
okay. I'm not here to hurt
you. It'd be really neat to see

583
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:51.920
you step out. And this big
white sasquatch stepped out for him to present

584
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:55.039
itself to him on his first time
of trying mix. So I mean,

585
00:39:55.079 --> 00:40:00.199
it absolutely works. It's your mindset, and they, like I said,

586
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:02.440
they can read you like an open
book if you're ready or not. And

587
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:07.519
it's not like these chance sightings of
a road crossing or anything else. This

588
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:09.760
is a true connection. You know. I think if you spend more than

589
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:15.000
a couple of minutes in their presence
and your open minded they formed that connection

590
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:21.639
with you. And it was Tom
Cantrell doing an interview on Porknvenes that he

591
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.719
had said one day that they can
they formed a mental connection with you and

592
00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:29.400
it lasts for a long time.
And I got to thinking about that,

593
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:31.199
and that's what got me to my
sighting number five and started me as a

594
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:37.280
research But we can get onto my
fourth one. Yeah, okay, my

595
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:40.639
fourth one, which was with my
mom as well. We were there at

596
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:44.519
the mobile. They're nice driveway you
go up the hill, and I had

597
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:46.760
the cars parked all along the hill
because like I said, you know,

598
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:51.480
I had a bunch of cars.
I had them stashed everywhere and I would

599
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:53.119
just fix them up, buy and
sell, you know. But we're out

600
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:59.199
talking. It was you know,
and this was only about a week after

601
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:04.159
the last one, the third one, And we're standing on top of the

602
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:08.320
driveway. There's actually a street light
there that illuminates everything, but it wasn't

603
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:13.000
on or anything was. The sun
had just gone down from the hill,

604
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:16.440
so it was very light out still
and we're talking and she says, look

605
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:20.199
at that, and we're looking at
the property across the road. A big

606
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:23.480
pasture. But at the edge of
the pasture there's a tree line which is

607
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:29.280
continues on from the property I'm on, because there's a big pasture on the

608
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:31.760
other side there. Right, I
had the first siding and there was a

609
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:36.239
family that lived there that was related
to the folks that are on the ranch,

610
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.039
and that was just another house on
the property. They had like five

611
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:43.840
houses on the property. And at
the end of the property, the tree

612
00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:46.679
line starts and comes across the road
and all the way around this person's pasture,

613
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:51.519
across the creek and up the mountain
on the other side. And my

614
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.960
mom's well, look at that.
And I look over and we see the

615
00:41:55.079 --> 00:42:00.280
eyes again just inside the tree line, and it's moving. And the way

616
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:04.159
they move is just it's really hard
to explain. It's just to glide,

617
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:07.880
like they're floating. I mean,
it's just so perfect that there's no head

618
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:12.719
bob, there's no nothing, and
they're walking through stuff that you don't want

619
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.480
to walk through because there's so much
dead fall and windfall, you know,

620
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:20.280
through these areas, and you know, because it's not like anybody's going through

621
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:22.079
there clearing everything out. You know, they just usually at the end of

622
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:25.199
the pastures. They just deal with
their pastors and leave the tree lines and

623
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:30.039
stuff alone. And to see the
same gliding and the eyes are looking directly

624
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:34.920
at us. And I think my
mom spotted it first. And this is

625
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.519
right at the beginning, right as
soon as we could see, you know,

626
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:42.400
something as far as into our field
of vision, and we watched it

627
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.840
walk through the tree line and just
basically glide through the tree line, let's

628
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:51.360
put it that way. And he
just kept looking back at us, probably

629
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:57.000
about every five or six steps,
and it was moving and it's just walking.

630
00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:00.360
It's moving faster than I could run. And every five or six steps

631
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:05.360
all the way across, crossing the
creek and start to head up the mountain,

632
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:08.360
and it looked at us all the
way, every five or six steps,

633
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:13.239
just looking directly at us. And
until I got over the top.

634
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:15.800
And I vanished over the top of
the mountain. And the feeling that I

635
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:22.239
got at the time was goodbye.
It was telling me goodbye. I don't

636
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.880
know where the feeling was from,
but it was just and at that time

637
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:29.840
I was actually it just called me. From all the sidings I'd had,

638
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:35.639
I didn't have that terror anymore or
anything. I was accepting what was happening,

639
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:39.400
but apparently not accepting enough because it
was bailing on me. Nothing else

640
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:46.039
happened for another almost forty years.
Forty one years is when I decided that,

641
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:50.480
you know, I'm not afraid anymore. I don't have any fear.

642
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:54.480
I finally got to get all this
off my chest. Otherwise I wanted nothing

643
00:43:54.559 --> 00:44:00.320
to do with sasquatch whatsoever. Nothing, I don't care. I wanted nothing

644
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:05.800
to do with it. Then my
curiosity started kicking up. And you know,

645
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:09.039
because that's part of being open minded, is being very curious. And

646
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:13.239
I want to know how in my
whole life. I like to tear things

647
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:15.159
apart and put them back together.
You know, It's like I want to

648
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:17.360
know what makes this tick? Why
does this work this way? How did

649
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:22.320
they figure this out? And after
getting all that off my chest, I

650
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:28.280
started collecting books and reading and reading. I probably have over here, probably

651
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:31.360
close to one hundred books. And
I've got from all the four Horsemen,

652
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:36.960
you know, I've got everybody this
top name. I've made friends with almost

653
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.880
everybody. Unfortunately, Pete Burns is
not doing too well, probably won't be

654
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:45.280
with us for very much longer.
Yeah, well, I think he's ninety

655
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:49.639
eight. Yeah, so he's outlived
them all. They all didn't like him

656
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:52.920
because he was the foreigner, but
he's outlived every one of them. I

657
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:57.000
think that's hilarious. And the hard
part is that not one of them ever

658
00:44:57.079 --> 00:45:00.239
saw a sasquatch. You know,
they are the pie and not one of

659
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:05.280
them ever got to see a sasquatch. Yeah, you know, and that's

660
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.440
what got me thinking a lot of
these little things. You know, when

661
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:12.599
you chase something, what happens,
it runs faster and further away. I

662
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:15.960
watched ten years of Finding Bigfoot.
I love you, Cliff, Barrifan and

663
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:22.239
Bobo, but banging on trees every
time you guys did it, and they

664
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:25.000
did their little mouth pop each time
they answered you, it was further and

665
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:30.119
further away. They were going the
opposite direction. You know. I think

666
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:34.039
sasquatches have a sense of humor,
and they were answering them. Just do

667
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:37.440
humor them, and they're on their
way out. You know, you're never

668
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:40.679
going to find one doing those things. They have to come to you.

669
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:45.960
And that's where what we call,
I think tom coin is the phrase is

670
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:50.559
armchair squatching. Where you find a
place if you do have a connection,

671
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:53.639
which means you've probably had a sighting
for more than a minute or two.

672
00:45:54.280 --> 00:46:00.599
They've done a connection to you mentally, they know who you are, and

673
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:04.840
you just get out there and let
them know you're there, big for society,

674
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:22.480
who will be right back after these
messages, I get out in the

675
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:25.559
woods. If you came across me
and the woods were spying on me,

676
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:30.199
you'd think I was nuts. I'm
out there talking out loud to everything,

677
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:34.480
you know, giving my thoughts and
say hey, every time I get up

678
00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:37.440
to my area, hey, Bill's
here, which this will get into a

679
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:43.639
story number six with Bill Bill's here. But yep. By doing all the

680
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:50.599
reading I'm doing, and because I'm
very logical and very good at reasoning and

681
00:46:50.639 --> 00:46:54.519
looking at how others were doing all
these things, I was like, you

682
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:59.079
know what, this doesn't work.
None of this works. You guys are

683
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:04.440
not finding what you're hunting for because
the things that you're doing and the techniques

684
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:07.039
you're using do not work. So
all these people that are going out doing

685
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.920
all these things, especially like Moneymaker
and stuff, they're still out there begging

686
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:15.440
on trees called blasting, and you
know what, the only experiences they're getting

687
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:21.079
is maybe a tree knock back,
or maybe they'll get a vocalization, and

688
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:24.440
that's about it. You know,
they're not getting face to face views of

689
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:30.920
these magnificent force people. I think
they're just beautiful, absolutely beautiful creatures,

690
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:32.840
you know, and to be so
big and be able to be as stealthy

691
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:37.920
as they are, man, they've
got some kind of intelligence. And the

692
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:43.199
more time you spend with them,
the stranger things get. I was telling

693
00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:45.719
Jill ri Devsmeyer. They did a
flash of beauty. I said, Jill,

694
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:52.280
I call this quote unquote high strangeness
happens around them the show. She

695
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:54.480
writes me back, she says,
yeah, Bill, guess what you're going

696
00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:58.760
to like the new movie. She
says, it's right up your alley.

697
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:01.039
Well, it's not really my It's
just what I'm finding out. You know.

698
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:07.000
There's the more time you spend with
these creatures, the weirder things get,

699
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:09.880
because I think they open up to
you more and let you see more

700
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:15.280
the more time you're with them or
spend around them. And what do they

701
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:20.559
call worthy woo camp and what Jill
and Brett are doing now with the new

702
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:23.840
movie, and it's beautiful, it's
wonderful. I saw. It's probably what

703
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:28.440
I've seen it's ninety percent complete.
They still have some stuff they want to

704
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:34.400
add in, and it was they're
trying to bruise the gap between the apers

705
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:37.360
because everybody thinks it's just like Cliff, you're still stuck on it's a stupid

706
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:43.719
epe. Sorry Cliff, but you
couldn't be more wrong. You know,

707
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:49.400
it's not a stupid ape. I
think they're more part of us than anything.

708
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:52.000
They'd look like us, A lot
of them do it. You know

709
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:53.599
you're going to get different looks.
They're just like us. You know,

710
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:59.119
there's you've got different looks, different
shapes, different body sizes. When it

711
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:02.199
comes to the footprint. Look at
the Gray's Harbor footprints that they're so famed.

712
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:07.800
It doesn't have the mid tarsal break. It has a longitudal break or

713
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:12.320
longitudal arch. Really, look at
it. Cliff will come up with a

714
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:15.519
different reason, an excuse to try
to veer it off to something else.

715
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:17.960
I'm like, no, it's right
there. Look at it. There's no

716
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:21.880
mid tarsal break in that one.
They all have. Some have mid tarsal

717
00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:27.199
breaks, some are longitudal, you
know, just similar to ours. You

718
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:29.920
know, it's the size that tells
the difference. You know, you can't

719
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:35.239
squot you can't hide that square inches
of footage, you know, to their

720
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:40.599
feet, they're just big. Even
the small ones have a very just proportional

721
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:45.360
foot compared to ours. So that's
very interesting. Yeah, I'm going to

722
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:50.519
have to take a closer look at
the Gray's Harbor. Absolutely, Yeah,

723
00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:52.480
take a really close look at it
and go, man, I really don't

724
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:57.199
see the mid tarsl here. This
looks more like a human foot. But

725
00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:00.239
it's huge, you know, it's
a beautiful print. Before we get too

726
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:04.840
far away from part of the conversation
we just had, so you're saying that

727
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:07.840
when you go to an area,
you have to verbally say out loud,

728
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:12.039
like hey, Bill's here or something
like that, and that's how you're going

729
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:15.119
to get that face to face connection. Well, not necessarily. They know

730
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:20.639
you're coming, They know your thoughts
before you even leave your home. If

731
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:23.920
you are connected to them. I'm
constantly connected to them. I don't know

732
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:28.039
how it works. Don't ask me. I just go with it. And

733
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:30.719
that's what Tom has taught me.
He's like, I've called him several times,

734
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:37.119
Tom really questioning my sanity. Some
of the craziest things are happening around

735
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:39.440
me, and he's like, just
go with it. It's okay, it's

736
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:42.719
okay, just go with it.
Where things are going to happen, just

737
00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:45.559
go with it. You'll understand it
some other time. Just go with it,

738
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:50.239
like, okay, you're really sure, I'm not going nuts, you

739
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:52.719
know. And I'm sure most of
us feel that way with some of the

740
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:58.079
strangeness that we see, especially people
that are seeing them cloak you know,

741
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:01.599
barpshe actually got along film, and
there's been a couple of people that actually

742
00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:06.960
got it on film, and it's
kind of like a predator effect, you

743
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:10.440
know, and very interesting. And
now it was in a Flash of Beauty.

744
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:15.159
This will be in the new one, the Paranormal, and it's the

745
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:20.679
actual video footage of a cloaked sasquatch. Really, yes, it's coolst thing

746
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:23.440
you ever saw. And you know, they're they're making like I said,

747
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:27.400
they're trying to bridge the camps together
and go, hey, you know,

748
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:31.840
they are a flesh and blood beam, but they also have other things they

749
00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:36.960
and I think it's just things that
we absolutely used to have at one point

750
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:42.199
in time, before we domesticated ourselves
and started changing our environment to suit ourselves.

751
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:46.679
They took it a whole different level
and changed themselves to suit the environment.

752
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:52.400
Very interesting. I think there's something
definitely that was said there. It's

753
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:58.000
like, you know, as we
become more and more civilized and we latch

754
00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:00.920
onto technology, and in the future
or that'll become even more so and maybe

755
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:06.280
it becomes part of us. What
are we losing in our connection to nature?

756
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:10.280
That there's we've lost different we've lost, We've lost a lot. You

757
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:15.480
know, look at people that have
these psychic cabilities in telekinesis and telepathic.

758
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:22.119
I mean, I've experienced in my
life being telepathic and be able to read

759
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:24.280
the minds of people close to me. And it still happens to me even

760
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:28.239
though my ex and I we still
live in the same house, but we're

761
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:30.440
not together anymore and haven't been for
a year and a half. But I

762
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:35.239
will think of something that I'm hungry
for. I'll come home and that's what

763
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:39.079
she's made for dinner. And it
happens more often than not, you know,

764
00:52:39.119 --> 00:52:42.960
because we have a connection, we're
close together. We've been you know,

765
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:47.079
close together for over twelve years,
so you develop a mental connection.

766
00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:52.559
And just like people dreaming in the
same bed together, science is actually coming

767
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:58.199
up with where they are actually mentally
connected and in the same state. And

768
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:00.639
science has really proven a lot of
things. And that's another thing that they're

769
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:05.440
trying to bridge the gap on is
show the science of things. Even Todd

770
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:08.960
nice is looking at the eye glow
and how they do it. There is

771
00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:15.599
actual scientific precedent for it for some
other animals that are asked able to do

772
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:21.639
that, especially deep sea creatures,
how they're able to illuminate in that dark

773
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:24.719
water by illuminescence. You know,
there's another avenue showing you know that things

774
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:29.800
can light up on their own.
It's all in your chemistry. And yeah,

775
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:32.079
as far as telepathic, I had
a lot of abilities growing up that

776
00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:36.400
I suppressed because I didn't want nothing
to have to do with it. Scared

777
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:39.280
me. I wasn't able to handle
it. I think Sasquatch figured out the

778
00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:44.199
same thing. I ain't ready yet, but some of that's starting to come

779
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:46.679
back for me now, and I
think they're they're kind of opening up some

780
00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:52.320
of that in me. It's become
not from wanting to prove anything, prove

781
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:54.320
their existence, because I already know
they're there. I know it's fleshing,

782
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:59.199
but I've been face to face.
I've been within two times within thirty five

783
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:01.239
feet, you know, thirty five
feet or less, one two feet or

784
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:07.039
less. My last one they allowed
me to get within ten feet, and

785
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:10.519
then the one I would say that
we walked through the tree line up the

786
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:15.360
mountain the other side, it was
within a quarter mile or less. So

787
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:19.519
I've had a lot of close contact, and most of my stuff has been

788
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:22.679
daylight. Everybody argues everybody goes out
at nighttime, Like why, you know

789
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:27.760
the you can see a lot better
in the daytime, So I don't go

790
00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:30.599
out, and I do camp out
in the areas sometimes, which I may

791
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:34.760
do here in the next couple of
days. And I'm going to try to

792
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:36.840
do more and more that all my
camping year, I figured, well,

793
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:38.760
it's in the van. It's going
to stay in the van, and you

794
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:42.119
know, when I get to any
clinton to do it, I will just

795
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:45.559
spend the night out there. And
I haven't had the nighttime activity with him.

796
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:50.440
All mine's been in the daytime.
You had mentioned earlier we were taking

797
00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:54.000
and it kind of got referred to
quickly. We were talking about todd niece,

798
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:59.360
and yeah, the calling Sasquatch out
for five nights in a row and

799
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:02.159
that convince him of some things.
So can you go into a little bit

800
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:08.880
more what exactly was done when you
were calling Sasquatch out? And are you

801
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:14.239
able to have the creature come to
the area. I guess what was it

802
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:17.159
doing there? This will run us
into number five. All right, Okay,

803
00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:23.639
Well I've watched the podcast and I
think it was in like February of

804
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:30.079
twenty twenty that Tom Cantrells on Tom
said one thing and that's where it got

805
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:34.119
me into the connection thing because a
lot of people think Tom's full of whoy

806
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:37.039
you know that, you know,
he's just nuts. And but you know

807
00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:43.239
what, I can lend credence to
the experiences he had, you know,

808
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:46.920
because I've tested it. I was
actually calling him out on it is what

809
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:52.679
I was going to do. He
had made the statement of being connected to

810
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:57.639
them. He says, once you
form a connection with them, you're pretty

811
00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:01.119
much connected for a very long time, not for life. And I thought

812
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:04.960
about that, and I thought hard
about it, just like I did with

813
00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:07.440
you know, they never tried to
harm me. You know, I'm OCD.

814
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:12.000
So when I stick on something,
my mind plays it and plays it

815
00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:15.440
and plays it. You know,
songs all that stuff. It just runs

816
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:17.639
over my head and just continues.
I'm like, stop. I wish I

817
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:21.039
had a switch here to turn things
off, you know, so I could

818
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:23.000
get some rest, because I don't
rest much, tell you truth. But

819
00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:27.840
I was like, Okay, everybody's
like Tom's full of crap and everything,

820
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:30.840
but I'm like, I don't think
so. I mean, I'm looking at

821
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:35.199
the things that he's put and the
things that he's written and going, you

822
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:39.199
know what, it makes more sense
to me to if you're like I said,

823
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:44.880
I've trained a lot of animals and
understanding the mindset of both prey and

824
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:49.039
predator. So I really kind of
analyzed the things that he had written and

825
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:54.559
Arla Williams had written, and I
think Arla taught Tom a lot as well,

826
00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:59.079
and but he made that statement that
they're connected to you. So I'm

827
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:00.599
like, oh, okay. At
the time, I was a caregiver.

828
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:06.800
I was worked as a medical aid
and caregiver for fourteen years so in the

829
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:09.239
medical industry until the shot came around, It's like, nobody's forcing me to

830
00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:14.480
do anything against my will, So
thank you, governor. She fired me.

831
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:19.039
I worked up to my last day
until she said everybody's fired at that

832
00:57:19.159 --> 00:57:21.719
point, I got O Kate Brown
at the time, which you know,

833
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:25.000
there should be able to be some
lawsuits over that, because an executive order

834
00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:30.280
is not a law. That is
a whole different. It is a crazy

835
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:36.559
time it is. It is a
heart suggestion. We'll just call it that

836
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:40.159
way. So I decided, Okay, seven days, I am going to

837
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:47.440
focus on the sidings I had,
especially face to face, and the one

838
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:51.199
I was face to face with because
she seemed to be the one that was

839
00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:53.320
really trying to connect with me the
most. Because the first siding in I

840
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:59.199
had, I've never seen sasquatch again. The rest of them were this alpha

841
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:04.960
male and now I call him Silver. He is black as a shadow could

842
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.360
be, you know, I mean, just like avoid a hole. That's

843
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:12.360
how black they are, or at
least he is. And so I focused

844
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:15.320
on him. I focused on the
sightings that I had, and I focused

845
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:19.880
on where I wanted to meet them, the place where I go up there

846
00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:22.880
and that's where my research area is. I've been going there for over forty

847
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:27.480
years. I've hunted every inch of
that mountain. I know every deer trail

848
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:30.519
everything, I know where every mushroom
is, I know where every medicinal plant

849
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:35.840
is on that mountain. I know
the trees personally, probably given a couple

850
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:38.760
of them. Name I go up
there shooting. I used to take friends

851
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:43.079
up there shooting all the time camping. I have a camp spot up there

852
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:50.920
that is just absolutely dropped dead gorgeous. That surrounded is with the old growth

853
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:55.599
timber and it's just these this nice
little open prairie spot And the only way

854
00:58:55.639 --> 00:58:59.920
you can find it is to know
where it is because you drive right back

855
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:01.679
to go that's a cool spot there. You know, that'd make a great

856
00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:06.519
camp There's actually a road that goes
to it. It just dives off,

857
00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:08.800
but you have to dive off the
bank and you hit the road. You

858
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:13.360
have to know where it's at or
you're not going there. And so I

859
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:21.159
spent every waking moment of those that
week picturing my sightings that one particular sasquatch

860
00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:24.559
and letting any know I want to
meet you, just to try to prove,

861
00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:29.719
you know, or disprove actually the
mental connection. And I was like,

862
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:31.679
yeah, you know, I'm gonna
call bs sonya, let's find out.

863
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:36.519
So I'm an experiment with this.
Well in the meantime, towards the

864
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:44.440
end of that week, Kit Morrell
and Miriam were over in Brookings and something

865
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:47.920
go ahead, this is just a
was it, Kit moral guy? Okay?

866
00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:52.639
Sorry pronunciation all right, just a
second? Okay, Well yeah,

867
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:54.440
Well him and I have had this
thing over the past year where I was

868
00:59:54.480 --> 01:00:00.760
like, he's the elusive Kip creature
and I've seen more sounds squatches and I've

869
01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:07.159
seen eight sasquatches and zero kip,
you know. And I've done this thing

870
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:10.760
on his Facebook for close to a
year. We finally got to meet at

871
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:15.880
Beachfoot and it was just hilarious because
that was just like the day before Beachfoot.

872
01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:20.320
I put up my algorithms have to
be correct, my hands are itchy,

873
01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:22.679
you know what that means. That
means jackpot, I'm gonna meet I'm

874
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:27.880
gonna run into this creature, you
know. So I put all these things

875
01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:30.840
up on his saying. That was
funny. Finally met. We're peeking around

876
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:35.119
corners, you know, going out. I think I smarted him. Sorry

877
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:37.920
to distract you, and I just
had to make sure he's the right guy.

878
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:39.800
I was thinking, oh, yes, it's funny. But anyways,

879
01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:43.519
I was going to go over there
and actually meet him instead of go with

880
01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:46.000
squatching, and he's like, well, Bill, i'll catch up with you

881
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:50.119
in the summer when I'm over there, because he's got some things he does

882
01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:53.320
at the airport here for his fire
training and stuff, and even though he's

883
01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:58.119
retired, he still does this thing
every summer with the crew over here.

884
01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:00.760
And I was like, well,
okay, I guess i'll go squatching.

885
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:06.199
I'll go give this a try.
So it's actually because of Kip turning me

886
01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:09.360
down because he had company coming and
had plans for the day that I actually

887
01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:13.920
had my sighting. Thanks Kip.
I think I told Kip this. I'm

888
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:15.960
not sure if I did, but
if he's watching, he knows now.

889
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:21.760
But I put all this in the
action and this is the first time I

890
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:25.559
ever and I didn't even know about
what they call mind speak, which is

891
01:01:25.599 --> 01:01:30.440
just telepathy. It's nothing more,
nothing less. It's just a telepathic way

892
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:51.199
of communication. Big for society will
be right back after these messages. And

893
01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:53.559
on my way out there, I
was getting ready to turn onto the highway,

894
01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:59.159
which makes it about another fifteen sixteen
miles to where I was headed.

895
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:02.119
I hear this in my head.
We're not going to meet you where you

896
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:07.199
wanted to meet I'm driving, I'm
going what was that. I'm like,

897
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:12.039
okay, Bill, go with it. So I just kind of dismissed what

898
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:15.159
what popped into my head. I'm
like, that was very strange, okay,

899
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:19.199
because I've been able to hear other
people's thoughts, but I've never had

900
01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:22.519
them implanted into me like that,
you know. So that was a bit

901
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:27.119
of strangeness. And that's when I
started seeking out things about mind speak,

902
01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:31.199
and Robin McCrae and her had chatted
about it and stuff, and I was

903
01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:35.400
like, and also Greg Roberts from
right here in Medford. He's our weather

904
01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:39.880
guy. He owns rogue weather dot
com and he's also a researcher, and

905
01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:44.920
he's experienced things in the same manner
I have, and the way things have

906
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:47.719
been put into our minds. Sometimes
it's a sentence, sometimes it's a paragraph.

907
01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:52.920
Sometimes it's a spoken word. Sometimes
it's thought or feeling, and it's

908
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:55.159
just a very strange thing, and
we just learned to kind of go with

909
01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:58.400
it. So I'm on my way
up there, I make my turn.

910
01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:00.920
I'm headed up the main highway and
I get to my turn off and I

911
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:05.000
turn off and there's a guy park
there and I'm like, well, are

912
01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:07.960
you lost. He's like no,
he says, I'm up from California.

913
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:10.280
I just moved here recently, and
so we had a big conversation there.

914
01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:14.559
He was looking for a place to
ride his quads, and I said,

915
01:03:14.599 --> 01:03:15.719
well, yeah, you got a
cool area. Just please stay on the

916
01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:19.679
road, you know, don't go
off road trash and you know the environment

917
01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:22.679
here and everything. I said,
there's our logging roads, but you can

918
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:24.960
go up them, but you know, don't be durning burnouts and cookies and

919
01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:29.599
spinning your tires on him, you
know. But they are hard panned because

920
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:32.480
they are graveled. You know,
It's just they're overgrown and they make great

921
01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:35.880
highways there, you know, you
can. That's where I go for a

922
01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:37.559
lot of my walks. I'll just
pick a log and road and an old

923
01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:40.639
one that's overgrown, and off I
go, because I know it's great footing.

924
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:44.599
And it doesn't matter where you are
up there. If the footing is

925
01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:46.920
great anyways, a decomposed granted.
So as far as getting a footprint,

926
01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:52.440
good luck. You know, it's
almost impossible up there. That's why I

927
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:58.039
got so excited about the snow track
that I screwed up but I talked to

928
01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:00.599
him and I decided, okay,
I'm going to I'm on up and there's

929
01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:03.519
this area I called the triangle Marsh, and I made it past that,

930
01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:08.280
and then I hit a three foot
bake of snow on the roadway. And

931
01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:13.559
if there's three feet at this point, it's probably I would say about forty

932
01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:17.159
one hundred foot level, maybe forty
two hundred feet right there, and it

933
01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:19.719
goes all the way up to about
fifty two hundred feet, so you figure

934
01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:25.400
at the top there's probably sixteen seventeen
eighteen feet of snow. Wow. So

935
01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:28.519
I wasn't going any further, and
the place that I wanted to meet him

936
01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:31.719
was up towards the top, so
there was no way that was going to

937
01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:35.679
happen. So then I remember that
little statement that came into my mind when

938
01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:40.360
I turned as we're not going to
meet you where we wanted to meet you.

939
01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:42.960
So I turned around, come back
down, and I parked there at

940
01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:46.320
the what I call the triangle marsh
because it's shaped like a triangle. And

941
01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:49.800
by then the other gentleman that I've
been talking to showed up there, and

942
01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:53.679
so we talked. I said,
you're not going to go any further.

943
01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:56.960
I said, there's a wall of
snow and you're not getting past it.

944
01:04:57.039 --> 01:05:00.599
Especially he had some little car,
and so we chatted for another half an

945
01:05:00.639 --> 01:05:04.880
hour. Really nice guy. I
really enjoyed our conversations. And then some

946
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:08.719
guy while we're standing there talking come
up in this big old four wheel drive

947
01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:12.480
pickup, just flying by. So
I'm like, we're both laughing. You

948
01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:15.639
ain't gonna make it very far.
It wasn't two minutes he's coming back down.

949
01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:20.360
He was out of there, and
so we finished our conversation and he

950
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:25.719
took off, and it was really
quiet, and I was going to try

951
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:30.119
one of Tom's methods of armchair squash. So I had brought the book that

952
01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:33.119
I'm in, which is a Sasquatch
Face to face by Tom Cantrell. We

953
01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:36.800
all wrote our own stories that are
in there, so plus he put some

954
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:41.440
of his own stories in there,
and so I, well, you know,

955
01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:43.840
that was a good time for me
to finish reading. And I went

956
01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:47.039
down in the woods where i'd get
a nice view the marsh area there and

957
01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:53.559
everything because the snow had beaten everything
down. Normally there's cattails and marsh grasses

958
01:05:53.679 --> 01:05:58.320
and milkweed, milk thistle, that's
you know, five feet tall through there

959
01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:00.639
and you can't hardly see down through
there. And as a matter of fact,

960
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:03.039
I think I sent you a photo
of one of the it looks like

961
01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:06.639
a tpe type structure that has an
opening in it. I think I sent

962
01:06:06.679 --> 01:06:12.159
you one of those pictures that is
right there at the triangle marsh that is

963
01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:15.559
on from where my view was,
because I'm at the I'm at the point

964
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:17.360
of it, at the tip of
the triangle, and it goes up and

965
01:06:17.559 --> 01:06:21.920
crosses here. There's like a some
bushes, here's a bush here, and

966
01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:27.920
then there's that little teepee and that
is a old apple tree that had all

967
01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:32.840
the branches snapped out all the way
around this saying to form this look what

968
01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:39.320
looks like some type of shelter or
blind And so I actually find a spot

969
01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:45.400
where there's a tree route that comes
out and sits across like this. Yeah,

970
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:48.039
high off the ground and nice little
bitch, perfect spot to send.

971
01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:51.599
So I had actually brought a lunch
too with me, and Tom was like,

972
01:06:51.639 --> 01:06:54.599
oh, bring a lunch, bring
a book, sit back, kick

973
01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:58.119
back and read and okay, well, okay, good spot to test your

974
01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:01.159
theory. And so I said,
there I sat down and I cracked the

975
01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:04.760
book open, and I thought,
okay about the connection. All right,

976
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:09.639
if you're here, give me a
tree knock. It wasn't half a second

977
01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:13.360
later after I thought of that,
Are you serious? I am absolutely serious.

978
01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:17.480
It came from the Southwest area and
it sounded like it was probably a

979
01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:20.599
quarter mile away. Wow. I'm
like, oh, maybe that could have

980
01:07:20.599 --> 01:07:25.280
been an anomaly. I don't know, so as I okay, that was

981
01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:28.960
interesting, And that's me everything in
that film and stuff. I don't say

982
01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:31.039
that it was made by a sasquatch
or structures or anything, because I didn't

983
01:07:31.039 --> 01:07:34.000
see him make it. You know. I always put in a little video

984
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:38.559
that I'll make for myself to say, well, that's interesting. What do

985
01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:42.119
you think? You know? Is
there a boy Scout troop out here in

986
01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:44.840
the woods running around building all this
stuff. If they're doing it, they're

987
01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:47.559
traveling all over the planet because these
structures are everywhere, and they're all the

988
01:07:47.599 --> 01:07:53.320
same type of structures. Right,
I've got so many. So I just

989
01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:56.400
sent you just a little bit.
But I thought, well, okay,

990
01:07:56.480 --> 01:08:00.360
that's interesting. Well maybe there's something
to this. Maybe I am mentally connected

991
01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:05.639
to this guy. And so I'm
reading and everything, and I about five

992
01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:09.800
minutes later, I look over to
my left and I'm going, what is

993
01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:12.440
that? I stood up and I'm
looking. I've rubbed my eyes, and

994
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:15.479
I mean I've absolutely rubbed my eyes
trying to focus because I wear my glass

995
01:08:15.520 --> 01:08:18.880
and take them off. You know, it takes me a second to refocus

996
01:08:19.159 --> 01:08:24.119
because these are just readers. And
I've rubbed my eyes and I look over

997
01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:27.800
and going, now, that wasn't
there before. There's a new bush over

998
01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:30.760
there. And one of the questions
I had in my mind is how they

999
01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:35.199
can hide in plain sight. So
he's showing me exactly how he does it.

1000
01:08:35.680 --> 01:08:41.159
And by this time, I've ribbed
my eyes three different times and looked

1001
01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:44.199
at this and I'm going. After
the third time, I go, oh,

1002
01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:48.520
you're here. That's you. I
was like, cool. His hair

1003
01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:55.239
has gone from just the blackest black
you ever saw to silver. And what's

1004
01:08:55.279 --> 01:08:59.960
strange about it? It is silver
like three quarters of the way down,

1005
01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:03.560
and then the last little quarter is
black still, so you get to kind

1006
01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:08.039
of a salt and pepper kind of
effect. But he sat there, he

1007
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:11.319
kind of down on his haunches like
an eight sits, you know, just

1008
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:15.560
kind of like on their heels and
he had his knuckles to the ground in

1009
01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:18.479
front of him, so he just
looked like this bush. That's all I

1010
01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:21.720
could describe. I would think was
just kind of a bush sitting there.

1011
01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:27.079
And he keep his head down so
I didn't see his eyes, and just

1012
01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:31.800
forty five minutes stayed that way,
did not move a single hair. I

1013
01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:34.000
went, that's how you do it, I said, I could have walked

1014
01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:40.079
by you. I could have walked
three feet from you and not knew you

1015
01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:44.079
were there, because it's as you
say, as I tell you, when

1016
01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:46.760
we're hunting or anything or looking for
something, we're looking for movement. And

1017
01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:51.840
he did not move one single hair
in forty five minutes that we had our

1018
01:09:53.560 --> 01:09:56.720
company. I'm like, that's cool. I see you there, you know,

1019
01:09:56.840 --> 01:10:00.439
and I just and Tom told me
ignore them, and I debt from

1020
01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:02.840
a couple of people, you know, say just ignore them. You know,

1021
01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:05.920
the lot more ignor them, the
more curious they are, and the

1022
01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:09.560
longer they'll stay. Okay, well, you know, I'm going to try

1023
01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:14.439
all this. And so far Tom
stuff is working because there is you know,

1024
01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:17.960
he's here. And so it's about
ten minutes later, maybe fifteen,

1025
01:10:18.119 --> 01:10:20.319
I'm sitting there reading through the book
and everyone a while, you know,

1026
01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:24.560
I just look out and make sure
he's still there and I'm reading, so

1027
01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:28.399
I'm sure he's hearing what I'm reading
in my mind because I read it out

1028
01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:32.159
loud in my mind is I think
most people do. And so he's I

1029
01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:36.800
read about ask watches and people being
terrified about that afterwards, going, you

1030
01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:40.479
know what, that might not have
been the best book to take. And

1031
01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:44.399
he's probably over there laughing in his
own mind about the whole thing. Stupid

1032
01:10:44.479 --> 01:10:47.680
humans. But I heard three.
You know, we're still called I'm still

1033
01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:53.000
calling tree knocks. But the pops
that were so fast it was like machine

1034
01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:57.840
gun. And that was directly to
my west. And this is oh,

1035
01:10:58.199 --> 01:11:01.960
first, let me get to this
first. I missed this part as before

1036
01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:06.439
we appeared, I heard a whistle, and I heard the whistle coming from

1037
01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:11.840
the direction he was at, one
to the direct west and one to the

1038
01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:15.319
north of me, behind me up
on the hillside, and that got me

1039
01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:19.800
thinking, I'm surrounded. There's at
least three of them here. And this

1040
01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:24.239
is kind of a tactical thing when
they I think, when they whistle like

1041
01:11:24.319 --> 01:11:28.600
that to tell each other, okay, are you in position? You know,

1042
01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:32.800
and what I'm finding more and learning
from other people is they're very they

1043
01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:39.600
do things in kind of a militaristic
manner. They're very good at it and

1044
01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:45.119
very tactical. And the direction they
left me to exit from where the three

1045
01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:48.359
of them were was directly back to
my vehicle. They left that open,

1046
01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:53.279
you know, because you hear people
being escorted out, and I think that's

1047
01:11:53.279 --> 01:11:56.439
what they do, is that you're
actually surrounded. If there's one there,

1048
01:11:56.600 --> 01:12:00.640
trust me, there's more than one, and they're escorting you back towards your

1049
01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:02.880
vehicle. That's the spot they leave
open is the direction they want you to

1050
01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:06.640
go. Everything else they kind of
have blocked and they have it covered.

1051
01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:12.159
But I heard those three whistles just
before I saw him, and he appeared,

1052
01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:15.600
and I'm like, okay, there's
three of you here. That's interesting

1053
01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:21.239
because that's not a bird of any
kind of sound I've ever heard in these

1054
01:12:21.279 --> 01:12:25.359
woods. And I've been in these
woods all my life. I spend every

1055
01:12:25.359 --> 01:12:28.079
spare moment I can in the woods
because I get my calm there. I

1056
01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:30.880
go there to relax and I love
nature, so I've got every type of

1057
01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:34.079
plant in that area. Matter of
fact, I just discovered I've got a

1058
01:12:34.439 --> 01:12:42.960
huge patch of blueberry and while huckleberries, which I'm gonna keep my eye on

1059
01:12:43.039 --> 01:12:45.199
because I'm going to be forging ahead
of that. I'm making some huckleberry jam

1060
01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:50.119
and some huckleberry pie, okay,
and some of that pops. And I'm

1061
01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:55.199
like, that was like just inside
the tree line, but I couldn't see

1062
01:12:55.239 --> 01:12:58.800
nothing. It was close enough that
I should have been able to see it

1063
01:12:58.840 --> 01:13:00.920
in my vision, you know,
because I can see right in there through

1064
01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:03.720
the trees a little bit. I
mean there's some brush and stuff, and

1065
01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:09.439
it's a marshy area. Even that's
marshie. There's a lot of did windfalls

1066
01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:13.600
running through there, and I'm like, how can something go through there and

1067
01:13:13.640 --> 01:13:16.960
not make a sound or even a
print for that matter. I went through

1068
01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:20.319
there afterwards. The only princes I
found, which I found in the juvenile

1069
01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:24.920
I now call him JJ, and
he's the one that made the three fast

1070
01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:28.680
pops that sound like a dang machine
gun going off. It was so fast.

1071
01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:31.399
I was like, WHOA, that's
pretty cool. And next thing I

1072
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:34.960
know, I looked to my left
and he's standing next to the alpha male,

1073
01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:41.600
and the alpha male was still taller
and even squatted down than the juvenile.

1074
01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:45.960
That's the juvenile. That was JJ
and he was doing the typical rock

1075
01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:50.119
and somebody explained this why they do
that. When you're in the trees and

1076
01:13:50.199 --> 01:13:55.159
you rock, try this going out
there and you rock back and forth.

1077
01:13:55.600 --> 01:14:00.439
It gives you more of a visual
of the area when you're moving back and

1078
01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:03.199
forth like that, in more of
a three D effect. I thought about

1079
01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:08.720
that, when you know what you're
right, you can see better when you're

1080
01:14:08.720 --> 01:14:11.960
doing that little rock back and forth. So next time you're in the woods,

1081
01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:15.199
try that and look through there and
look at what you're seeing. You

1082
01:14:15.199 --> 01:14:17.640
get to see the angles as you
move back and forth, and you can

1083
01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:21.560
see what's behind things a little better. You get a more of a visual

1084
01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:27.880
perspective. So I thought, yeah, okay, so there's another question that's

1085
01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:30.479
kind of answered, you know,
and others should try this, and you

1086
01:14:30.520 --> 01:14:32.319
know, and that's the whole thing
about. The more information we have,

1087
01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:36.439
you know, the more we start
to understand these creatures. But I look

1088
01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:41.800
over there and the juvenile's there.
I went, wow, I feel pretty

1089
01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:46.239
honored. He's actually introducing me to
the juvenile, his juvenile. That means

1090
01:14:46.279 --> 01:14:51.640
there's a monicum of trust there.
They've already given me, and you know

1091
01:14:51.880 --> 01:14:57.159
that felt pretty cool. You know
that you're trusting me enough to introduce me

1092
01:14:57.279 --> 01:15:00.359
to your juvenile. Well basically why
he's introducing me the juvenile because when I'm

1093
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:02.800
up there, he turns the juvenile
leads with me. I'm the babysitter.

1094
01:15:03.319 --> 01:15:06.640
That's what it's gonna come down to
you, I think, is I don't

1095
01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:10.960
know if he's with me. He
hangs out with me a lot, but

1096
01:15:11.079 --> 01:15:15.920
he stayed fairly stealthy. But you
know, he's practicing his ways. And

1097
01:15:15.079 --> 01:15:18.399
I think that's what a lot of
the tree structures in the area are is

1098
01:15:18.439 --> 01:15:25.359
the juvenile is being taught how to
make these structures. And I don't know

1099
01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:29.479
why they're being made or what they
mean, you know, but I want

1100
01:15:29.520 --> 01:15:32.479
to take an EMF meter out and
start running aroun all these and see if

1101
01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:36.880
they're power areas because it's all granite. This whole mountain is granite. But

1102
01:15:36.920 --> 01:15:41.119
it's full of water. There is
water. I don't care. We've been

1103
01:15:41.119 --> 01:15:45.079
in a seven year drought and the
water still flows up there. You can

1104
01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:46.800
go all the way to the top
of the mountain, dig down a foot.

1105
01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:51.119
Even if the worst drought which we've
had and still hit water. I

1106
01:15:51.159 --> 01:15:55.840
don't as hard to explain why this
mountain is so full of water, but

1107
01:15:55.880 --> 01:15:59.720
it's amazing. And there's a pond
or yeah, set up as a pond,

1108
01:15:59.720 --> 01:16:03.680
but it's the spring and that's a
double spring and it flows year round,

1109
01:16:04.279 --> 01:16:08.239
and they go right down to somebody. I think the Forest Service has

1110
01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:11.840
stuck a hose and they use it
for a waters up for emergency, also

1111
01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:15.119
for fires, and I think they
actually drink out of the PBC pipe that

1112
01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:19.239
was stuck down into this one spring
spot that really gets to flow. And

1113
01:16:19.239 --> 01:16:24.640
then because I find their prints there
impressions of where they've been there, and

1114
01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:27.199
it's right at the edge where the
water comes out of the pipe, so

1115
01:16:27.239 --> 01:16:30.920
I think they kind of pick up
the pipe and get an easy drink instead

1116
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:34.239
of using their hands or anything else. But back at the other is the

1117
01:16:34.319 --> 01:16:38.279
sighting that I was having on number
five, which answered a lot of the

1118
01:16:38.319 --> 01:16:42.319
questions, that answered my question on
how they hide in plain sight, that

1119
01:16:42.439 --> 01:16:45.520
showed me right there exactly how he
does it. Big for society will be

1120
01:16:45.640 --> 01:17:04.840
right back after these messages, and
I understand it because a lot of people

1121
01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:09.800
will see a tree stump and go
I've heard ad a lot of accounts to

1122
01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:12.239
that. You know, It's like
I swear it was a burnout tree.

1123
01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:15.840
Stop and then it stood up and
walked away. Like yeah, now I

1124
01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:20.920
understand that. And they answer my
questions in ways like that that they don't

1125
01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:25.520
tell me or you know, put
it into my mind. They show me

1126
01:17:26.159 --> 01:17:29.920
and go, this is how it
is. And so that siding lasted for

1127
01:17:29.920 --> 01:17:32.880
forty five minutes because I had looked
at my phone when it started. I

1128
01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:35.239
looked at my phone when it ended. He just I had brought it,

1129
01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:41.479
And everybody's like, why didn't you
take pictures? That's just beyond what you

1130
01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:45.520
know. I was there for.
The whole thing was is ignore them for

1131
01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:47.159
the most part, and the more
you ignore them, the more they'd stay

1132
01:17:47.199 --> 01:17:50.920
around because of curiosity. And that
absolutely worked, and I wasn't going to

1133
01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:56.479
jeopardize it. But on siding number
six, I do have pictures. They're

1134
01:17:56.520 --> 01:18:00.119
being enhanced right now by Scott Violet
from uch America. He's got a friend

1135
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:03.760
that enhanced a couple of his.
And I said, Scott, if I

1136
01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:06.319
send you these, you think your
friend would enhance those for me. So

1137
01:18:06.359 --> 01:18:10.800
I'm just waiting for those to come
back, because well I'll let you know

1138
01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:13.840
when the sighting, when I get
to that one, and we'll get to

1139
01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:16.600
the specifics on that one. But
yeah, after they left, I went

1140
01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:19.159
up and I was like, well, there's got to be a track somewhere.

1141
01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:25.359
There was a patch of snow just
probably I would say, thirty yards

1142
01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:29.880
up from where I heard the rapid
pop, you know, when the juvenile

1143
01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:30.880
came in. I said, well, he came from that neighborhood, so

1144
01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:34.119
I'm betting to use the roadway to
get there, or at least part of

1145
01:18:34.119 --> 01:18:39.600
the way. I found three of
his tracks. I have pictures of one,

1146
01:18:40.520 --> 01:18:43.640
and somebody said, oh, it's
embarrassing. No, there's no clauset

1147
01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:45.359
it first of all, and it's
got a really heavy mid tarsal break,

1148
01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:49.920
and I mean it's like about that
angle. I mean it was really from

1149
01:18:49.920 --> 01:18:55.159
where he pushed off and pushed everything
up behind it. And it was nine

1150
01:18:55.159 --> 01:18:58.479
and a half inches three and a
half inches wide, and he was five

1151
01:18:58.479 --> 01:19:01.520
foot tall. And if you do
voculations of the surface area and everything and

1152
01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:05.119
to height and wait and all that, it all mashed up pretty well.

1153
01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:12.159
So I went home immediately. I
called actually, I sent the print through

1154
01:19:12.159 --> 01:19:15.560
a text to Randy. Sylvie runs
the It was one of the members of

1155
01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:20.199
the Ben Bigfoot Research research group over
in Ben and he was part of my

1156
01:19:21.079 --> 01:19:26.920
initial getting things off my chest during
the squatch and brings. He was another

1157
01:19:26.960 --> 01:19:30.479
one that was there and he was
instrumental in me, you know, getting

1158
01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:32.279
things out. And I tell him, I blame it all on him,

1159
01:19:32.399 --> 01:19:35.000
I said, my whole squatching things. Ah, your fault, Randy.

1160
01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:40.239
No, I live it every second
of the day. No, No,

1161
01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:43.840
I'm not infatuated with the whole thing. No I'm not. The ex is

1162
01:19:43.880 --> 01:19:45.399
like, that's all you talk about, that's all you think about. Yeah,

1163
01:19:45.479 --> 01:19:51.119
well yeah, I guess now I'm
teaching others as well. But I

1164
01:19:51.159 --> 01:19:54.680
sent the print to him. He
got a hold of one of his group

1165
01:19:54.720 --> 01:19:58.319
members, Shannon Munson, and she
was down here in Grant's pass trying to

1166
01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:01.039
get us hooked up so she'd come
out. He cast the Prince and you

1167
01:20:01.039 --> 01:20:03.479
know, I could tell my story
and we could measure the whole site and

1168
01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:08.600
do the whole nine yards. But
she was down visiting family and it didn't

1169
01:20:08.680 --> 01:20:12.640
quite work out to where she was
able to come down. So last minute

1170
01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:15.159
before dark and she finally said,
well, I'm not going to be able

1171
01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:17.479
to make it out. You know, we got all these things happening,

1172
01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:23.439
and it's just been too busy.
I had right for loath, picked up

1173
01:20:23.479 --> 01:20:27.760
a twenty five pound bag of hydrocal, and headed back for the woods.

1174
01:20:27.800 --> 01:20:30.079
But by the time I got back
up there, because it was seventy two

1175
01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:34.640
degrees that day, same as when
I found the trackway funny how that happened

1176
01:20:34.640 --> 01:20:39.279
the same way, come to think
of it, and a lot of it

1177
01:20:39.319 --> 01:20:42.800
had melted out. I had found
one track that was seventeen and a half

1178
01:20:42.840 --> 01:20:47.199
inches the alpha male, which was
up because where he was there's actually a

1179
01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:51.000
logging road right there, an old
overgrown logging road that goes all the way

1180
01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:56.600
around the triangle marsh and just heads
on tours where I initially heard his first

1181
01:20:57.279 --> 01:21:00.439
pop when I asked for a tree
knock. But there was one or that

1182
01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:06.000
one two three four prints in the
snow. One I could see his toes

1183
01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:11.479
in, and but they weren't good
enough because the Senate already been beaten down

1184
01:21:11.479 --> 01:21:14.880
on that, and they weren't good
enough to cast. But the one for

1185
01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:16.960
the juvenile was good enough to cast. But by the time I got back

1186
01:21:17.039 --> 01:21:20.399
up there, it melted out so
much that one of the prints was almost

1187
01:21:20.399 --> 01:21:26.840
completely gone. I had measured thirty
two inches between the first and the second

1188
01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:31.039
print and thirty four between the second
and third print from heel to toe all

1189
01:21:31.039 --> 01:21:34.399
the way up, so it was
accurate. And so all I got was

1190
01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:39.680
pictures. And then I learned afterwards
the Cliff Brikan says he did a short

1191
01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:45.000
little video on how to photograph and
cast. He says that you photographed them

1192
01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:51.399
from five different angles forty five degrees
left, right, backside, and forwards.

1193
01:21:51.439 --> 01:21:55.840
I had then one directly over the
top. So I learned all that

1194
01:21:55.920 --> 01:22:00.520
after the fact, of course.
So yeah, So unfortunately there was another

1195
01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:02.520
one I blew, but I did
have a pretty good picture of that first

1196
01:22:02.560 --> 01:22:08.079
print and that was it. Unfortunately, I was hooked from that point on.

1197
01:22:08.199 --> 01:22:10.760
I was like, okay, Tom, and I got a hold of

1198
01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:14.920
Tom. I said, Tom,
you know I was trying to call bs

1199
01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:17.279
on you. I love you,
but you know a lot of people think,

1200
01:22:17.359 --> 01:22:20.439
you know, you guys are the
wood crowd, you're half nuts.

1201
01:22:20.479 --> 01:22:26.520
But I said, it absolutely worked
on my first time out to go to

1202
01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:32.439
the woods and to encounter a sasquatch
with purpose to be there to encounter a

1203
01:22:32.479 --> 01:22:38.079
sasquatch, and did it in the
way that he was describing to do,

1204
01:22:38.560 --> 01:22:43.800
which he calls armchair squatching, And
it absolutely worked the first time out.

1205
01:22:44.399 --> 01:22:47.560
So from that point on, I'm
a researcher and I've been going there every

1206
01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:57.520
chance I get since then. Have
you ever experienced you mentioned whistles and pops,

1207
01:22:57.600 --> 01:23:00.560
which we talked about. Have you
ever meant, have you ever noticed

1208
01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:06.399
or heard any vocalizations besides that at
all when you're out there. One very

1209
01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:12.119
strange one okay, not too far
up, probably within I would say a

1210
01:23:12.199 --> 01:23:15.640
quarter mile. It was the first
X in the area that I mean,

1211
01:23:15.760 --> 01:23:19.159
really nice one too. It's been
since destroyed. I was glad my son

1212
01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:23.399
got to see it, because about
a week later it had been destroyed,

1213
01:23:23.399 --> 01:23:26.119
and I think it was the Forest
Service that's destroying, you know, some

1214
01:23:26.199 --> 01:23:29.920
of the structures that are up there. And I called it the phone booth.

1215
01:23:30.520 --> 01:23:33.119
There was a rocky on a second
let me go grab it all right,

1216
01:23:33.560 --> 01:23:38.760
all right now under this rather large
X. But these logs were probably

1217
01:23:41.359 --> 01:23:45.000
one was about ten inches and the
other one was probably twelve inches in diameter.

1218
01:23:45.439 --> 01:23:48.199
One was held up by a madrone
tree that was right there that was

1219
01:23:48.239 --> 01:23:50.680
dead, but it had a WAYI
in it and they tend to use a

1220
01:23:50.680 --> 01:23:55.640
lot of wys that they find in
trees. This just makes it easier,

1221
01:23:55.680 --> 01:23:58.840
you know, why not, especially
if you're by yourself building one. You

1222
01:23:58.840 --> 01:24:00.600
know, I used to do this
as a contractor where I would, you

1223
01:24:00.600 --> 01:24:03.279
know, make myself a little helper
things, and they use these wives.

1224
01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:09.279
But one end, which was about
end was looked on that why but under

1225
01:24:09.600 --> 01:24:14.239
exactly center, under that X was
this rock right here, and it's a

1226
01:24:14.479 --> 01:24:18.359
decomposed granted, I have pictures of
it when it was just standing up and

1227
01:24:18.399 --> 01:24:24.560
you could see the outline of it
in the ground from where it was impressed

1228
01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:27.159
in the ground. And it had
probably been there for you know, twenty

1229
01:24:27.239 --> 01:24:30.960
thirty years. For some reason,
something picked it up and stood it up.

1230
01:24:30.840 --> 01:24:33.279
And so the picture, the first
picture I ever took of it,

1231
01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:39.239
you can see the impression which is
probably close to an inch deep. So

1232
01:24:39.319 --> 01:24:42.960
you know, this rock is this
rock has been laying there for probably fifty

1233
01:24:43.119 --> 01:24:46.600
sixty eighty one hundred years, you
know. So I call it the phone

1234
01:24:46.640 --> 01:24:51.760
booth for a reason because when I
get there, the juvenile usually ends up

1235
01:24:53.680 --> 01:24:56.840
coming up and hanging out with me
for the day or at least for a

1236
01:24:56.840 --> 01:25:00.880
while. So I was up there
one day and this is where I really

1237
01:25:00.960 --> 01:25:05.960
started calling it to phone booth.
I heard the strangest scream from down below

1238
01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:11.479
in the valley, and it was
so strange I can't even describe it.

1239
01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:15.239
And that was in believe it or
not, That's the only vocalization I've ever

1240
01:25:15.279 --> 01:25:18.039
heard from them. And because I'm
not there at night, you know when

1241
01:25:18.199 --> 01:25:21.640
I think they feel more comfortable doing
vocalizations at night than they do in the

1242
01:25:21.720 --> 01:25:27.760
daytime because they feel there's nobody out
there or nobody really paying attention to what's

1243
01:25:27.800 --> 01:25:30.960
going on out there. So and
that's one of my new things is I'll

1244
01:25:30.159 --> 01:25:34.520
getting a really nice sound recorder,
a digital recorder that's coming up here soon.

1245
01:25:35.359 --> 01:25:38.920
You know, I'm a budget squatcher. I use what I have.

1246
01:25:39.520 --> 01:25:44.840
I mean, my latest purchase was
a IR infrared four K video camera that

1247
01:25:44.920 --> 01:25:48.640
takes thirty megapixel stills as well as
video. So I was like, well,

1248
01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:51.560
thirty megapixels, I could blow that
up the size of a house and

1249
01:25:51.600 --> 01:25:57.520
get detail. So unfortunately, the
picture I took of the female sasquatch was

1250
01:25:57.560 --> 01:26:00.359
on my phone, so you know, it exolates a little too quickly,

1251
01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:04.600
and it's an older phone, so
it's like zero point three megapixel, so

1252
01:26:05.159 --> 01:26:09.640
it's not really detailed. That's why
it's being enhanced. But I heard that

1253
01:26:09.760 --> 01:26:15.119
call, and what I think it
was is they said go play bill and

1254
01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:19.359
it was an excitement call that was
made by the juvenile. It was a

1255
01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:24.680
very strange call. But it wasn't
more than two or three minutes later.

1256
01:26:24.760 --> 01:26:29.840
Right here, coming up the mountain, I can beetle footsteps just kind of

1257
01:26:30.039 --> 01:26:32.880
a happy little walk coming up the
hill. And then I heard it again.

1258
01:26:32.960 --> 01:26:36.159
Somethm. I'm like, man,
that's got some power and wait to

1259
01:26:36.279 --> 01:26:40.279
it. I said, that's got
to be the juvenile come up the mountain.

1260
01:26:40.840 --> 01:26:44.399
And by the third set I heard, because each of them was about

1261
01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:47.720
six or eight steps, you know, and you could just absolutely hear it.

1262
01:26:48.039 --> 01:26:51.319
Just power hit the ground. And
I should have been able to see

1263
01:26:51.399 --> 01:26:55.479
him. And I'm looking, I'm
going, you know, cause I could

1264
01:26:55.479 --> 01:26:57.920
see right down through the trees all
the way down. I'm like, I

1265
01:26:57.960 --> 01:27:00.600
should be able to see where those
after you're coming from. Couldn't see him,

1266
01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:04.920
but I couldn't visually see him.
So that's what got me to kind

1267
01:27:04.920 --> 01:27:09.960
of starting go towards the camp of
will. Maybe there's something to this cloaking

1268
01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:13.760
thing, you know that they are
able to go or either that or do

1269
01:27:13.880 --> 01:27:16.399
something to your mind to where you
know they're taking themselves out of your mind.

1270
01:27:16.399 --> 01:27:19.279
For the As far as seeing them, I don't know, you know,

1271
01:27:19.359 --> 01:27:25.159
but the cloaking makes more sense because
that seems to be a lot of

1272
01:27:25.159 --> 01:27:28.520
people seeing that. And so I'm
there, I'm going, Okay, I

1273
01:27:28.560 --> 01:27:31.000
hear you. I'm sure it's you, JJ, which is what I've named

1274
01:27:31.079 --> 01:27:34.560
him, and I used to just
call him Junior. Then I switched to

1275
01:27:34.640 --> 01:27:39.279
JJ, and the thought wise to
me, the feeling was that he liked

1276
01:27:39.279 --> 01:27:43.800
that better. So, but there's
a covert off to my left to where

1277
01:27:43.800 --> 01:27:46.840
this is at just off runs under
the roadway and it's about a six foot

1278
01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:50.920
covert and but it's straight down off
the roadway. You know, I'd have

1279
01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:54.600
to use repelling gear to get down
there. And I wish I'd had a

1280
01:27:54.680 --> 01:27:57.720
drone at the time because I had
to nail him inside that colvert. He's

1281
01:27:57.760 --> 01:28:00.920
in the plane in the water.
I can hear, how you know,

1282
01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:02.680
when you brush water and it just
kind of humps up into a wave,

1283
01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:06.319
and he's pushing out of this covert. And when I said on folking beans,

1284
01:28:06.359 --> 01:28:10.680
show. Tom's like, well,
that's not really a word. Spoosh,

1285
01:28:11.319 --> 01:28:14.239
that's a word to me. Mike
came to my rescue hero. He's

1286
01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:15.560
like, oh, no, Bill
said it. It's a word. But

1287
01:28:15.680 --> 01:28:19.359
that's he did that several times.
He's inside that thing, playing in the

1288
01:28:19.399 --> 01:28:23.920
water, and I can hear him
in there, and I'm like, man,

1289
01:28:24.039 --> 01:28:26.600
you little snot. You know,
I can't get down there, you

1290
01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:30.119
know, And I know you're in
there and the things in there playing in

1291
01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:33.199
the water doing his little thing,
moving the water in and just pushing it

1292
01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:35.079
out in the waves. I said, well, at least you're getting a

1293
01:28:35.119 --> 01:28:39.520
bath. You probably stink. I
talked to him like, they're my best

1294
01:28:39.520 --> 01:28:42.920
friend, I really do, you
know, I give him crap, whatever

1295
01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:45.199
it takes. I talk to him
like they're my best friend or family member,

1296
01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:48.600
you know, like they're one of
the family. And I think that

1297
01:28:48.760 --> 01:28:51.399
actually goes a long ways with him, It really does, you know,

1298
01:28:51.479 --> 01:28:57.600
because that gives them me showing that
I've accepted him for what they are,

1299
01:28:58.439 --> 01:29:01.600
and I absolutely have. But yeah, so the next time I was up

1300
01:29:01.600 --> 01:29:04.479
there, it was just a couple
of weeks later, and I'm at the

1301
01:29:04.479 --> 01:29:11.640
phone both and the rock had been
moved so we started playing this little game.

1302
01:29:11.800 --> 01:29:14.760
I know it was the juvenile.
I put it back in the hole,

1303
01:29:15.119 --> 01:29:17.560
stood it back up, and we
did We've been doing this for We

1304
01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:21.359
did this for over a year,
standing it back, going back up.

1305
01:29:21.359 --> 01:29:26.279
And the only reason I took the
rock is because the structure was completely destroyed.

1306
01:29:26.720 --> 01:29:30.520
I mean there is it is just
wasted. You could never tell that

1307
01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:33.159
it was ever an ex of any
sort. Well, I got up there

1308
01:29:33.199 --> 01:29:38.960
about a week later, or or
actually a couple of weeks later, and

1309
01:29:39.000 --> 01:29:42.960
I heard this whistling. It's on
top of the mountain, the opposite wave

1310
01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:45.439
of where it came from the first
time, and just an excited whistle,

1311
01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:49.319
like he's up there, and goo
Bill's here all right. And then he

1312
01:29:49.399 --> 01:29:53.920
kind of hung out with me for
a couple hours. And when I'm driving

1313
01:29:54.000 --> 01:29:57.159
up there, I'm always looking for
new things, and I'm looking for trails,

1314
01:29:57.159 --> 01:30:00.159
looking for the deer trails. See
how much food there is. You

1315
01:30:00.199 --> 01:30:02.760
know that they're not over hunting.
You know the area, because I want

1316
01:30:02.800 --> 01:30:06.600
to be there a long time so
I can access them, and I can

1317
01:30:06.680 --> 01:30:10.800
hear him just inside the tree line
following me up as I'm going. I

1318
01:30:10.840 --> 01:30:15.199
got my windows down and just hear
his footsteps coming through and just kind of

1319
01:30:15.359 --> 01:30:19.560
going with me as I go up
the roadway. And most of the activity

1320
01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:25.720
that I have has been where the
springs are, and so I usually make

1321
01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:28.960
a light up to the spring.
There's a spot there that I call actually

1322
01:30:29.000 --> 01:30:33.159
the dining room, and it's between
the beginning of the access road and where

1323
01:30:33.199 --> 01:30:38.960
the spring is. And because there's
archways weave there, there's lots of arched

1324
01:30:39.199 --> 01:30:43.720
structures that are in there. There's
tepee structures that are in there. There's

1325
01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:46.520
one that all the trees are put
up in a tepee, but there's one

1326
01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:53.359
that is forked that comes around and
it's against the other tree, and this

1327
01:30:53.680 --> 01:30:58.840
other log is fed up through the
fork, which is sorry, that doesn't

1328
01:30:58.840 --> 01:31:02.560
happen in nature, absolutely impossible.
And the one with the fork in it

1329
01:31:02.640 --> 01:31:08.119
is broke, that's the tip and
laid over into the tree just exactly where

1330
01:31:08.159 --> 01:31:12.079
it would fit perfectly, and it's
still attached to the bottom section. It's

1331
01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:15.520
just at a ninety degree leaned up
against the tree with the other one stuck

1332
01:31:15.560 --> 01:31:17.159
through it and the other ones around
it. As a matter of fact,

1333
01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:20.760
when I was there the other day, I just got back from beach foot

1334
01:31:20.800 --> 01:31:24.600
it's like I gotta go to my
area. I can't help it. I

1335
01:31:24.600 --> 01:31:27.600
got to go up there. Absolutely, it looked like there'd been some added

1336
01:31:27.640 --> 01:31:30.880
to it, so that was kind
of neat. But yeah, I captured

1337
01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:33.039
the rock and decided I was keeping
that puppy, you know, because that

1338
01:31:33.119 --> 01:31:36.840
kind of meant something for a thing
between me and the juvenile. Right.

1339
01:31:38.760 --> 01:31:43.119
So, but the next setting,
which would be my number six and my

1340
01:31:43.239 --> 01:31:47.000
last one just for getting up their
time wise here, well, I have

1341
01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:50.880
to work too, I am if
you notice. Oh, here we go

1342
01:31:51.159 --> 01:31:55.920
in my working uniform. So I
worked knock shifted food for less here in

1343
01:31:55.960 --> 01:32:00.399
Medford. So if anybody wants to
stop buying, chat with me. I'm

1344
01:32:00.439 --> 01:32:03.000
on Aisle two. I'm the condiments
guy. I lift all the heavy glass

1345
01:32:03.039 --> 01:32:06.520
stuff, pickles and all that fun
stuff. And you know, we can

1346
01:32:06.600 --> 01:32:11.960
chat while I work, because I
won't stop working unless I have time,

1347
01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:16.359
but I will chat with you.
So and also Scott has asked me if

1348
01:32:16.439 --> 01:32:20.279
Scott from Squatch America has asked me
if I would be his report taker for

1349
01:32:20.680 --> 01:32:26.000
southern Oregon area. Big for Society
will be right back after these messages.

1350
01:32:42.039 --> 01:32:45.000
So I felt pretty honored. Now
I looked at him as a Scott.

1351
01:32:45.560 --> 01:32:49.439
I am strictly a field researcher,
but all these reports actually will help me,

1352
01:32:50.199 --> 01:32:55.479
you know, and as far as
understanding and things along that line.

1353
01:32:55.640 --> 01:32:58.520
And you know, as I get
some cast out of it and whatever else,

1354
01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:02.760
you know, and I get you
probably help these people kind of understand

1355
01:33:02.840 --> 01:33:06.279
what's really happening, and because it
does freak out a lot of people and

1356
01:33:06.399 --> 01:33:10.239
kind of calm them and let them
know that, hey, they're not what

1357
01:33:10.359 --> 01:33:15.560
she thinks they are. They look
scary, but they're actually quite gentle,

1358
01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:20.319
very family oriented and actually very gentle
creatures. So my next side, oh

1359
01:33:20.520 --> 01:33:24.960
my fifth siding. That was on
March twenty seventh, twenty twenty one,

1360
01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:29.119
by the way, And so somebody
can look up the podcast of Pork and

1361
01:33:29.159 --> 01:33:32.680
Beans and find the little section where
Tom said, you know about the connections

1362
01:33:32.720 --> 01:33:35.840
and all that, and that puts
you all in the same time area.

1363
01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:39.840
And you and I have been trying
to link up for god, I think

1364
01:33:39.880 --> 01:33:44.720
almost a year or over a year. It's at least a year. Yeah,

1365
01:33:45.079 --> 01:33:47.239
it's been a while, but I
was hoping for you know, well,

1366
01:33:47.279 --> 01:33:49.359
I was prepared to do the other
one, and that was the whole

1367
01:33:49.399 --> 01:33:54.159
thing. I want to before I
got on yours is to be more comfortable

1368
01:33:54.159 --> 01:33:57.159
with talking about things. You know. I didn't want to be out there

1369
01:33:57.159 --> 01:33:59.640
going or have to have anything in
front of me. You know, there's

1370
01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:01.760
nothing in front of me. These
are all from memory and they'll be the

1371
01:34:01.800 --> 01:34:05.279
same every time. Yeah, you
know, because this is what I experienced,

1372
01:34:05.319 --> 01:34:09.600
this is what I saw, So
I became a researcher, so I

1373
01:34:09.640 --> 01:34:14.399
started documenting. This is the only
that I'm in is a nice little valley.

1374
01:34:14.399 --> 01:34:17.239
It goes from thirty two hundred feet
at the base of the valley up

1375
01:34:17.279 --> 01:34:20.399
to fifty two hundred feet at the
top of the valley. There's a road

1376
01:34:20.479 --> 01:34:26.279
that goes up both ways and connects
at the top. Then there's another one.

1377
01:34:26.439 --> 01:34:29.960
It's a connection to the top that
goes over the mountain and down the

1378
01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:32.560
other side there. So it's all
in the same area and most of all

1379
01:34:32.680 --> 01:34:38.800
the activity, as far as structures
everything are in this little valley. It's

1380
01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:42.760
a thirteen mile loop from start to
finish. I can start from the highway,

1381
01:34:43.199 --> 01:34:45.880
go up, run the third,
run the loop, come across,

1382
01:34:45.119 --> 01:34:49.359
and then there's another road that cuts
through that goes across the springs that connects

1383
01:34:49.359 --> 01:34:53.800
at the bottom of the valley,
but it's a full thirteen mile loop all

1384
01:34:53.800 --> 01:34:58.039
the way around Lucky number thirteen.
It's not bad luck, it's actually good

1385
01:34:58.119 --> 01:35:01.760
luck. But from I started documenting
all the structures, and believe me,

1386
01:35:01.800 --> 01:35:08.399
I sent you just tiny little piece. I've got hundreds of tree breaks,

1387
01:35:08.439 --> 01:35:14.159
of archways, I've got I think
seven asterisks, I've got tridents, I've

1388
01:35:14.159 --> 01:35:17.279
got stars. As a matter of
fact, I found one on my I

1389
01:35:17.359 --> 01:35:20.079
buried my cat up there last December, and it was in the middle of

1390
01:35:20.119 --> 01:35:26.039
a really heavy wind storm. So
I was thinking in my mind that this

1391
01:35:26.119 --> 01:35:28.600
is where I wanted to go,
and thinking to them, you know,

1392
01:35:28.720 --> 01:35:31.720
kind of sending messages to them that
I wanted to bury my cat up there

1393
01:35:31.720 --> 01:35:34.520
at the spring, you know,
because she was special. She was my

1394
01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:39.600
best little buddy. Even though it
was the excess cat. You know,

1395
01:35:39.840 --> 01:35:43.680
we she became a nice little buddy, you know how I am with animals.

1396
01:35:43.680 --> 01:35:46.439
So I started thinking in my mind
that I want to come up there,

1397
01:35:46.520 --> 01:35:49.720
and I'm going to need the road
clear because I know there's nobody's been

1398
01:35:49.720 --> 01:35:53.520
able to go up there because we're
still in the middle of the storm.

1399
01:35:54.119 --> 01:35:58.239
And so I'm preparing to go up
I've got my cat all prepared and everything,

1400
01:35:58.359 --> 01:36:00.920
and I do it a Native boy
because she was a friend and part

1401
01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:04.319
of the family. So I'm thinking
to them, I need the road clearer.

1402
01:36:04.479 --> 01:36:09.199
Well, there's no way I could
have gone up there without trees being

1403
01:36:09.199 --> 01:36:12.119
across the road, you know,
at least in three or four places.

1404
01:36:12.119 --> 01:36:15.199
As a matter of fact, I
think I counted five different spots where there

1405
01:36:15.199 --> 01:36:19.520
had been trees that came down in
the wind, dead falls or wind falls.

1406
01:36:20.119 --> 01:36:25.119
And I asked them, I told
them pictured in my mind what route

1407
01:36:25.119 --> 01:36:27.720
I was taking up there, because
there's a couple of ways I can get

1408
01:36:27.720 --> 01:36:30.760
there, actually probably about five different
routes I can get there, but it

1409
01:36:30.840 --> 01:36:35.359
is actually quite remote. The nearest
town is in one direction, and I'm

1410
01:36:35.399 --> 01:36:42.720
talking to town probably fifty sixty people. One way is like fifteen miles,

1411
01:36:42.800 --> 01:36:48.000
the other way it's ten miles.
And there is two places on the in

1412
01:36:48.159 --> 01:36:53.720
between the main road and the other
connecting road that runs up the other side

1413
01:36:53.720 --> 01:36:57.119
of the valley that are close to
the roadway, but that's still from where

1414
01:36:57.119 --> 01:37:00.880
my sightings have been at least three
miles away, and the houses coming up

1415
01:37:00.960 --> 01:37:05.359
one way, the closest there is
about six miles away. Going over the

1416
01:37:05.399 --> 01:37:11.319
mountain, you're looking at about fifteen
miles. Going the other direction of the

1417
01:37:11.359 --> 01:37:15.600
ten miles, there's a few little
scattered houses and one little town. There

1418
01:37:16.079 --> 01:37:19.319
is not really a town. It's
just a handful of houses and that's it.

1419
01:37:19.920 --> 01:37:26.399
So it is actually more remote than
you think, but remote but easily

1420
01:37:26.399 --> 01:37:30.920
accessible because the roadways that are in
there. But from started documenting all these

1421
01:37:31.119 --> 01:37:34.720
different structures and things that you know, I had seen, and you know,

1422
01:37:34.760 --> 01:37:38.920
finding Bigfoot actually helped me with those, because you know, they were

1423
01:37:38.960 --> 01:37:42.640
showing tree structures and different things and
I went, wow, I've got those.

1424
01:37:43.079 --> 01:37:46.800
I was looking at the shows like
Yawi Central and finally they've got the

1425
01:37:46.800 --> 01:37:53.239
same stuff in Australia, looking over
at some sites in Europe, in Great

1426
01:37:53.239 --> 01:37:57.199
Britain, they don't have a lot
of contact over there, but they do

1427
01:37:57.279 --> 01:38:03.039
have contact and there are very similar
tree structures Vietnam, China, just all

1428
01:38:03.039 --> 01:38:08.039
over the world, everywhere you go. The only place is Antarctica that would

1429
01:38:08.039 --> 01:38:12.760
be voied of things that are in
Alaska, Canada, Mexico, South America.

1430
01:38:13.239 --> 01:38:16.119
These creatures are everywhere. People just
don't realize how many there really are.

1431
01:38:16.279 --> 01:38:20.560
And they like Doug Hijack, figures, probably about sixty five hundred.

1432
01:38:20.640 --> 01:38:26.119
I actually I think there's much more. I think there's much more. I

1433
01:38:26.119 --> 01:38:30.560
think they're in the tens of thousands. It's just they're scattered all over the

1434
01:38:30.560 --> 01:38:34.479
world, and they're scattered in the
areas that we don't go. I mean,

1435
01:38:34.520 --> 01:38:38.399
they go up stuff that. No, I'm not going up there.

1436
01:38:38.760 --> 01:38:42.119
You know, I'm very careful because
I do this all by myself, and

1437
01:38:42.199 --> 01:38:46.560
so I'm very cautious not to get
injured. I actually have a sasquatch killed

1438
01:38:46.560 --> 01:38:51.760
bear sitting out here in my shed. The back legs were tucked up inside

1439
01:38:53.079 --> 01:38:57.560
of the rib cage. Wait can
you repeat that way? I have a

1440
01:38:57.720 --> 01:39:02.760
sasquatch killed bear. Okay, the
neck is wrung like a wrung out washcloth.

1441
01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:08.960
The skull and everything's still in there. All the paws were pinched off,

1442
01:39:09.119 --> 01:39:12.840
at least the front two. The
head still encased in the skin,

1443
01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:17.680
all twisted up, and the back
paws were still attached to the skin but

1444
01:39:17.960 --> 01:39:21.399
not in the body. Yeah,
it'll blow your mind, I said,

1445
01:39:21.520 --> 01:39:25.079
I said, there's only a couple
of people that know about this. Now

1446
01:39:25.159 --> 01:39:30.359
you all know about it. Well, okay, we'll save explain to me

1447
01:39:30.359 --> 01:39:35.079
what SO did you find like a
you found like a I was. I

1448
01:39:35.239 --> 01:39:40.319
was on my way back from my
visiting my grandchildren, so I took the

1449
01:39:40.399 --> 01:39:44.279
back roads, and which you know, because I hate taking the freeway.

1450
01:39:44.319 --> 01:39:46.760
I hate taking the same way.
It's just boring. And I was like,

1451
01:39:46.880 --> 01:39:49.680
no, you're not going to stop
by your area. No you're going

1452
01:39:49.720 --> 01:39:53.119
buy it. No you're not going
to stop by. Oh yeah you are.

1453
01:39:53.119 --> 01:39:55.560
You're going to stop by your area
and go check on it. So

1454
01:39:55.640 --> 01:39:59.279
I get up this one area and
it's the spot between where you turn off

1455
01:39:59.279 --> 01:40:03.119
on the off road at the base
of the area to the spring, and

1456
01:40:03.319 --> 01:40:08.079
I call it the now I call
it their dining room or the kitchen.

1457
01:40:08.119 --> 01:40:12.800
After I found the bear. But
I pulled up there and there's this arch

1458
01:40:12.880 --> 01:40:15.119
tree that's right there, and that's
where I leave my offerings is on that

1459
01:40:15.159 --> 01:40:18.560
tree. But what I hate to
leave there is because it's very visible from

1460
01:40:18.600 --> 01:40:23.199
the roadway, so anybody could go
up and you know, just destroy whatever

1461
01:40:23.239 --> 01:40:25.920
I've got there. So I've learned
to go to the back of one of

1462
01:40:25.960 --> 01:40:30.159
the trees close to that and tack
like a bag on with some tacks and

1463
01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:34.479
put fruit in, garlic and tangerines. That's what I left the last time

1464
01:40:34.560 --> 01:40:39.760
last week, but I took pictures
of this when the first day I found

1465
01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:45.600
it and it had the meat had
just there was just a very minscule layer

1466
01:40:45.680 --> 01:40:48.119
of meat on the ribs that I
could see, and a little bit back

1467
01:40:48.159 --> 01:40:53.359
on the pelvic area, and you
can see the gray because the meat,

1468
01:40:53.399 --> 01:40:55.800
you know, after about twenty four
hours, it's going to turn gray,

1469
01:40:55.880 --> 01:40:59.760
especially if it's really thin. Any
meat that's lept out, and it was

1470
01:40:59.840 --> 01:41:05.399
like the meat had been stripped off
just right down just before that tough layer

1471
01:41:05.760 --> 01:41:09.439
you know that you get in the
ribs, you know, the piece that

1472
01:41:09.479 --> 01:41:13.359
were always going on and pulling.
You know. I don't think it's digestible,

1473
01:41:13.399 --> 01:41:16.359
but we did. Anyways, please
tie to it. I'm a carnivore.

1474
01:41:16.359 --> 01:41:19.680
I'm sorry. I love it.
But it had that gray layer of

1475
01:41:19.680 --> 01:41:23.159
meat on there. I was like, wow, this is fresh. I

1476
01:41:23.159 --> 01:41:26.479
didn't know what it was because it's
straight down a bank, you know,

1477
01:41:26.560 --> 01:41:30.279
and it's like I'm not getting myself
hurt going down there. And I was

1478
01:41:30.319 --> 01:41:32.880
just in there just to check on
the area anyhow. But that's what I

1479
01:41:32.920 --> 01:41:35.760
discovered. So I took pictures of
it that very day, so I have

1480
01:41:35.960 --> 01:41:42.159
those pictures to compare it to when
I actually got the carcass. And the

1481
01:41:42.239 --> 01:41:45.479
cool part is, and I think
they knew I was going to ask for

1482
01:41:45.520 --> 01:41:49.239
this bear is through one of the
vertebrates in the neck was a stick stuck

1483
01:41:49.319 --> 01:41:55.359
through the vertebrae. It didn't fall
that way because it's like, you know,

1484
01:41:55.600 --> 01:41:57.640
let me get out here. Hard
to get the cameras, it takes

1485
01:41:57.640 --> 01:42:00.000
a minute. It was like this
far through the vertebrae. So if it

1486
01:42:00.039 --> 01:42:05.239
fell, it shot right through this
neck bone because it wouldn't go down this

1487
01:42:05.279 --> 01:42:10.039
way. It had to be stuck
through the vertebrae. And then another stick

1488
01:42:10.159 --> 01:42:13.399
and guess what I had at the
neck And so lot of folks, I

1489
01:42:13.439 --> 01:42:16.359
got to tell you one thing I
really want to express to you and drive

1490
01:42:16.399 --> 01:42:20.439
home. As an ex does not
mean keep out when it comes to Sasquatches.

1491
01:42:20.880 --> 01:42:25.560
Remember they're very similar to us,
but they're not us, and their

1492
01:42:25.680 --> 01:42:29.640
language is different than ours. But
I am finding that all the exes that

1493
01:42:29.720 --> 01:42:34.720
I find are a welcome sign.
Their acts actually welcome you to the area.

1494
01:42:34.800 --> 01:42:39.520
They know you're coming. And if
you recognize that it was meant for

1495
01:42:39.600 --> 01:42:44.439
you, it was absolutely meant and
put there for you. And so those

1496
01:42:44.479 --> 01:42:46.479
are the places if you want to
go squatch and that's where you start.

1497
01:42:47.439 --> 01:42:50.399
That's where you want to go.
But there was an exit the neck because

1498
01:42:50.399 --> 01:42:53.680
they already knew I was going to
take it. They already knew I was

1499
01:42:53.720 --> 01:42:56.680
going to ask, and I asked
them permission for it, you know,

1500
01:42:56.760 --> 01:42:59.720
I asked for just like when I
took the photographs of the female, I

1501
01:43:00.199 --> 01:43:04.159
asked permission and I explained like I
needed to. She already knew what they

1502
01:43:04.199 --> 01:43:08.159
were knew and a photograph us because
like I said, they can look in

1503
01:43:08.199 --> 01:43:11.840
your mind. They can get any
information they want and you can't hide anything

1504
01:43:11.840 --> 01:43:15.800
from them, and don't try.
It's not worth it. And I'm armed.

1505
01:43:15.279 --> 01:43:18.439
They don't mind me being armed,
and the reason why is because they

1506
01:43:18.479 --> 01:43:21.800
know it's not for them and I
have no intention of every firing at them

1507
01:43:21.840 --> 01:43:25.840
and just piss them off, like
me getting hit with a babi is like

1508
01:43:26.399 --> 01:43:31.119
now I'm mad. But I wasn't
able to go up to the area for

1509
01:43:31.159 --> 01:43:35.880
a while, so I came back
in seven weeks. Jeremiah, it had

1510
01:43:35.920 --> 01:43:41.520
not been touched. That does not
happen in nature. That's weird, man.

1511
01:43:41.720 --> 01:43:45.000
That does not happen when a deer
or anything you find a roadkill.

1512
01:43:45.319 --> 01:43:47.840
Go back a week later, tell
me what's left of it. Yeah,

1513
01:43:47.960 --> 01:43:53.000
tell me what's left of it.
Find pieces of it. You might find

1514
01:43:53.039 --> 01:43:56.279
a few pieces here, maybe a
rib bone here, maybe a leg bone

1515
01:43:56.319 --> 01:44:00.239
over here, but ninety nine percent
of it's going to be gone. The

1516
01:44:00.319 --> 01:44:04.720
forest tends to clean up after itself. We have the first stage. You're

1517
01:44:04.760 --> 01:44:10.000
looking at the ravens and turkey vultures. They go in, they take whatever

1518
01:44:10.039 --> 01:44:13.079
they can of any meat and sinews
that are left, and you know,

1519
01:44:13.159 --> 01:44:16.399
any cartilages, and they've removed that. And that's what got my attention.

1520
01:44:16.600 --> 01:44:20.399
The second time of going up there
and finding the carcasses, I came upon

1521
01:44:20.479 --> 01:44:24.680
and I'm looking at feathers. Turkey
vultures were there, and they're kind of

1522
01:44:25.000 --> 01:44:28.279
I've always been one of my spirit
guides because we're the ones that clean up

1523
01:44:28.279 --> 01:44:31.279
the messes. And that's always kind
of been my four days, and you

1524
01:44:31.319 --> 01:44:36.359
know, and it hits the fan. I'm the one that helps make everything

1525
01:44:36.399 --> 01:44:43.079
okay and figure everything out and stay
calm and clear everything up. And so

1526
01:44:43.279 --> 01:44:46.920
I'm picking up feathers and I look
down that carcass is still there and it's

1527
01:44:47.079 --> 01:44:51.079
untouched. There is not one the
only market that we're on. It was

1528
01:44:51.119 --> 01:44:57.199
from the Turkey vulture picking at the
joints and stuff and pulling some of the

1529
01:44:57.239 --> 01:45:00.720
sinews up. I have the whole
thing in hacked. There's been a couple

1530
01:45:00.760 --> 01:45:04.600
of rib bones fall off. I
want I'm maybe gonna ask Mark Mercell because

1531
01:45:04.600 --> 01:45:12.119
he's good at rearticulating bones because he
works at the aquarium up there in Westport,

1532
01:45:12.239 --> 01:45:17.520
Washington, and he's done whales and
does from small fish and amphibians all

1533
01:45:17.560 --> 01:45:21.039
the way up you know, to
an entire whale, which they he did.

1534
01:45:21.199 --> 01:45:25.000
Took a couple of years to do, but with the help of family

1535
01:45:25.000 --> 01:45:28.119
he got to put together. And
it sets the museum up there, because

1536
01:45:28.119 --> 01:45:31.640
they have a museum and aquarium all
the one thing, right, And but

1537
01:45:31.840 --> 01:45:36.359
the Scott's going to be here.
Scott's an anthropologists from Squash America. Scott

1538
01:45:36.359 --> 01:45:40.680
by that he's right now in Cave
Junction. They've got a thing going on

1539
01:45:40.760 --> 01:45:44.600
that's supposed to probably be happening today
down there, and I think he's down

1540
01:45:44.640 --> 01:45:47.800
there taking reports and different things.
It's kind of like a town hall doing

1541
01:45:47.840 --> 01:45:53.319
a thing. Him and a Greg
from rugg Weather did one and they've only

1542
01:45:53.319 --> 01:45:58.479
expected maybe one hundred people to show
up, and there was like three times

1543
01:45:58.600 --> 01:46:01.840
to show it up, stay room
only, and people were And Cave Johnson

1544
01:46:01.920 --> 01:46:04.840
is kind of out in the middle
of nowhere. It's just a connecting place.

1545
01:46:04.920 --> 01:46:08.960
That's where you'll find the Oregon Caves, you know, and there's been

1546
01:46:09.039 --> 01:46:13.079
lots of activity out there. There's
some pretty famous stories that have happened right

1547
01:46:13.079 --> 01:46:15.920
there at to Oregon Caves. One
I think was a doctor and as a

1548
01:46:15.920 --> 01:46:19.359
matter of fact, I met him
there recently, so, but he was

1549
01:46:19.560 --> 01:46:24.640
there with his family and and uh
I was able to have a siding of

1550
01:46:24.680 --> 01:46:29.680
a Sasquatch. Wow. But yeah, it's kind of remote cave junction is

1551
01:46:30.159 --> 01:46:32.640
but yeah, they had. The
place was packed. You couldn't have stuffed

1552
01:46:32.640 --> 01:46:35.520
a couple more people in there with
a stick. Yeah, it was that

1553
01:46:35.640 --> 01:46:39.359
packed. He said, we take
a lots of great reports and it was

1554
01:46:39.439 --> 01:46:43.880
just a fabulous time. Big for
Society will be right back after these messages.

1555
01:47:00.039 --> 01:47:02.000
The Scot's over there doing another one
today. I was like, grea't

1556
01:47:02.039 --> 01:47:05.720
gonna be with these, No,
not this time. He's like, well,

1557
01:47:05.720 --> 01:47:08.800
if you want to come up,
I said, I've got to work.

1558
01:47:08.880 --> 01:47:12.560
Unfortunately, Well, what's good is
you know my days offer like Monday

1559
01:47:12.600 --> 01:47:16.600
Tuesday during the week, and so
when I off Monday Tuesday, nobody else

1560
01:47:16.680 --> 01:47:19.640
is out in the woods. You
know, they're weekend warriors, so it

1561
01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:23.840
makes it pretty convenient. I hardly
ever run across to anybody out there,

1562
01:47:23.880 --> 01:47:28.359
even the hunting season. Last year, one vehicle the entire hunting season.

1563
01:47:28.680 --> 01:47:31.920
That's all that I ran across.
One vehicle. And because this area has

1564
01:47:31.960 --> 01:47:35.560
grown up enough that it's really not
good for deer hunting anymore. There's only

1565
01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:40.640
one section, which is a prairie
section at the top that you could even

1566
01:47:40.640 --> 01:47:44.680
see anything. So unless you know
the mountain like I do, most people

1567
01:47:44.800 --> 01:47:48.960
are what you call road hunters.
They just drive around their vehicle. Something

1568
01:47:49.039 --> 01:47:51.319
jumps out, well, they're going
to shoot it. And unfortunately, when

1569
01:47:51.359 --> 01:47:55.359
they're shooting it, it's illegal the
way they shoot it, because you're not

1570
01:47:55.359 --> 01:47:58.159
allowed to shoot from the road in
the state. You know, you have

1571
01:47:58.239 --> 01:48:01.880
to be such a distance off and
everything else, you know, and plus

1572
01:48:02.039 --> 01:48:08.600
dating animals is illegal here as well. And I've found pumpkins up there and

1573
01:48:08.720 --> 01:48:13.720
water melons and all kinds of things
from poachers or people during hunting season baiting

1574
01:48:13.760 --> 01:48:16.439
the animals, and they'll shoot them
right on the roadway, which is illegal.

1575
01:48:17.079 --> 01:48:19.640
You know. Me, I'm in
the woods, and when these people

1576
01:48:19.720 --> 01:48:23.239
drive by, I guess what I
do. I do the spider crawl.

1577
01:48:23.760 --> 01:48:27.600
I'm on the ground, let them
go by. I don't want to get

1578
01:48:27.600 --> 01:48:31.439
shot because I stopped tunting for the
longest time because I got tired of playing.

1579
01:48:31.560 --> 01:48:34.359
Follow the beer cans. You know, I'm out of the woods.

1580
01:48:35.079 --> 01:48:41.960
They're drinking. They have guns.
I'm on mind you You know I carry

1581
01:48:42.039 --> 01:48:45.039
forty four magnum here plus a rifle. You know I carry thirty out six.

1582
01:48:45.079 --> 01:48:49.399
It'll reach out and touch someone from
a long ways away. And the

1583
01:48:49.439 --> 01:48:54.680
forty four is to disable their engine
because I'm going to blow up your block.

1584
01:48:55.479 --> 01:48:59.880
You know, you point your rifle
at me. We got a problem.

1585
01:49:00.439 --> 01:49:02.720
You scoped me out, which is
illegal. You know. That's what

1586
01:49:02.760 --> 01:49:06.560
they made binoculars for, not your
rifle scope. Your rifle scope is to

1587
01:49:06.560 --> 01:49:10.760
put it on an animal, get
an accurate shot, and hopefully a kill

1588
01:49:10.840 --> 01:49:15.279
on the first shot. But yeah, I'm more worried about the human factor

1589
01:49:15.319 --> 01:49:18.640
out there in the woods that I
am anything else. Abs. I have

1590
01:49:18.760 --> 01:49:23.359
no problems with bears. They're more
afraid of you than you are them.

1591
01:49:23.479 --> 01:49:27.479
Matter of fact, I chased one
down here last summer. Yeah, I'm

1592
01:49:27.560 --> 01:49:30.520
nuts, but just to get a
shot a photo of him. All I

1593
01:49:30.560 --> 01:49:33.640
got was his buddy in so unfortunately, you know, he was a little

1594
01:49:33.640 --> 01:49:36.199
faster than the big boy here.
I've getting a little weight, but I've

1595
01:49:36.239 --> 01:49:40.239
lost thirty five pounds since an.
Hey, it's good for you. That's

1596
01:49:40.319 --> 01:49:43.800
I'm looking better, get into good
shape. I was at the pond one

1597
01:49:43.880 --> 01:49:45.720
day and I'm sitting there, which
I've never heard my life, with all

1598
01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:49.520
the time I've been out in the
woods. Yeah, are you kidding me?

1599
01:49:49.680 --> 01:49:54.439
Is there a housecat out here?
I've never heard of cougar me out

1600
01:49:54.479 --> 01:49:58.600
in my life? Are you serious? And it was a cougar and I

1601
01:49:58.880 --> 01:50:02.520
was edit me out at about eight
different times. I had never heard it

1602
01:50:02.600 --> 01:50:06.960
happen personally. And as soon as
I got home, I'm on the internet.

1603
01:50:08.079 --> 01:50:11.399
Does a cougar meow? And I
found like three examples of it that

1604
01:50:11.560 --> 01:50:14.319
somebody had recorded. I went,
that's it, I said, are you

1605
01:50:14.399 --> 01:50:16.520
kidding me? They sound just like
a house cat, except a little more

1606
01:50:16.560 --> 01:50:19.640
powerful. But yeah, I'm sitting
there at to paut And that gives me

1607
01:50:19.680 --> 01:50:25.520
to another lesson that my clan taught
me that day. I got one of

1608
01:50:25.520 --> 01:50:28.960
those mind speak things that day.
I was on the other side. I

1609
01:50:28.960 --> 01:50:31.319
hadn't made it down to that roadway
yet, and I was kind of clearing

1610
01:50:31.359 --> 01:50:34.039
my mind. I'm like, well, you know, I know the Shea

1611
01:50:34.079 --> 01:50:38.760
Squashers, they're all friends and all
the things that they do a lot of

1612
01:50:38.760 --> 01:50:44.199
remote viewing, So I'm going to
start practicing that. It's rated. Excuse

1613
01:50:44.239 --> 01:50:46.800
me, raining I'm out on this
landing in an area where that you know,

1614
01:50:47.039 --> 01:50:50.760
I don't have too much activity,
and I was just enjoying the rain,

1615
01:50:51.399 --> 01:50:55.439
and I'd walked out on this landing
and what kills me is all the

1616
01:50:55.479 --> 01:50:59.880
garbage that people leave behind. So
and that's one good way to gain respect

1617
01:51:00.119 --> 01:51:04.439
the sasquashed folks is to clean up, pack stuff out, chick com and

1618
01:51:04.600 --> 01:51:10.560
trash. They see you doing this, they understand you doing this. But

1619
01:51:11.119 --> 01:51:14.880
I was told while I was there
and clearing my mind and everything, the

1620
01:51:14.920 --> 01:51:19.840
thought jumped in my head from them, go directly to the spring. Okay.

1621
01:51:19.920 --> 01:51:23.800
Well I didn't get to remote view, but I got a little telepathy

1622
01:51:23.840 --> 01:51:28.119
there. Okay, I guess I'll
accept that. Okay, So I headed

1623
01:51:28.439 --> 01:51:33.560
starts the spring and me with OCD
school, I got to the dining room

1624
01:51:34.039 --> 01:51:39.319
where I got the bear and everything
and had to stop. I got out,

1625
01:51:39.680 --> 01:51:43.279
I made three steps from my van
and I turned around, went right

1626
01:51:43.319 --> 01:51:46.359
back and strapped on my pistol,
jacked to shell and was locked and loaded.

1627
01:51:46.600 --> 01:51:51.000
I think they were first of all
chesting. My ability is to listen

1628
01:51:51.560 --> 01:51:57.399
and take direction. Well, I
was halfway there before I saw the school,

1629
01:51:57.640 --> 01:52:00.359
but yeah, I felt I was
in danger, and so I was

1630
01:52:00.399 --> 01:52:04.079
all prepared. And the way I
go look at things. I go to

1631
01:52:04.119 --> 01:52:12.119
an area and I spend fifteen minutes
looking at every little thing. I'm looking

1632
01:52:12.119 --> 01:52:15.920
for changes, I'm looking for anything
new. I'm looking for activity, fresh

1633
01:52:15.960 --> 01:52:20.560
trails, anything of new, anything
new. And then I'll take and I'll

1634
01:52:20.600 --> 01:52:26.760
walk fifty seventy five feet and I
do the same thing fifteen minutes. I

1635
01:52:26.840 --> 01:52:29.840
look at everything that's there, and
that's part of my way of you know,

1636
01:52:30.520 --> 01:52:32.680
looking and see if I'm finding recent
activity, if I know they're there,

1637
01:52:32.800 --> 01:52:36.239
have they been going down here?
But yeah, I made it up

1638
01:52:36.279 --> 01:52:40.279
to the pond, and that's when
I realized that they just taught me a

1639
01:52:40.359 --> 01:52:44.479
lesson about listening. First of all, go directly to the pond, because

1640
01:52:44.479 --> 01:52:47.359
if I had, they'd probably been
there and protected me from the cougar.

1641
01:52:48.119 --> 01:52:53.319
But I think they also test me
to see what my reaction would be to

1642
01:52:53.359 --> 01:52:56.640
the cougar, if I was going
to just go run after it and kill

1643
01:52:56.680 --> 01:52:59.800
it, or if I was going
to accept it as being part of it

1644
01:53:00.039 --> 01:53:01.600
sure and deal with it, which
I've always accepted those things. I have

1645
01:53:01.680 --> 01:53:04.600
no problem with them. You know, I've been face to face with cougar

1646
01:53:04.680 --> 01:53:08.720
several times, so there's a lot
of them up there and a lot of

1647
01:53:08.720 --> 01:53:11.720
bear and I have no problem with
them. You know, you just look

1648
01:53:11.760 --> 01:53:15.279
bigger than they are. You know. They've actually never come after me or

1649
01:53:15.319 --> 01:53:17.279
come to approach me. They just
they'll just look at me and just continue

1650
01:53:17.319 --> 01:53:20.000
on their way, you know,
like I'm just you know, another part

1651
01:53:20.039 --> 01:53:25.600
of nature, which I try to
be when I'm out there. But after

1652
01:53:25.760 --> 01:53:30.439
I heard the eight miles from this
cougar as it was going across the pond

1653
01:53:30.479 --> 01:53:32.760
by me, it was just out
of my view, but I know it

1654
01:53:32.800 --> 01:53:35.800
was right at the back of the
pond because how close the sound was.

1655
01:53:36.359 --> 01:53:42.079
And then it's just started getting further
and further away and still be outing as

1656
01:53:42.079 --> 01:53:46.760
it's walking off. About fifteen minutes
later, I get the juvenile in the

1657
01:53:46.800 --> 01:53:50.600
pop and it was like fifty feet
away from me. So I know it's

1658
01:53:51.000 --> 01:53:56.399
the juvenile JJ because he's the bold
one. Juveniles are very bold, They're

1659
01:53:56.520 --> 01:54:00.960
very much jokers. They like to
mess with you, and I am the

1660
01:54:00.000 --> 01:54:03.720
only human he knows. So he
experimented me on me, you know,

1661
01:54:03.840 --> 01:54:06.520
so like in for sound things along
that line, you go, oh,

1662
01:54:06.560 --> 01:54:10.600
I can make Bill really sick and
make him throw up. Yeah. I

1663
01:54:10.640 --> 01:54:13.560
was like, don't do that again, please. That was not cool.

1664
01:54:14.439 --> 01:54:17.520
But anyways, I'll get into my
sixth siding, my last one, and

1665
01:54:17.600 --> 01:54:21.720
this was September thirteenth of last year, and this was after I found the

1666
01:54:21.720 --> 01:54:26.880
bear carcass. And a week after
I picked up the bear, there was

1667
01:54:26.960 --> 01:54:30.880
also a deer in the same spot. It was a young spike deer and

1668
01:54:31.079 --> 01:54:35.760
its lower jaw had been torn off
like a twist. It's had to do

1669
01:54:35.840 --> 01:54:41.479
the twist, and the pelt was
missing. And that's another thing that clicked

1670
01:54:41.479 --> 01:54:45.680
in my mind is I've read several
stories where they've seen them wearing a deer

1671
01:54:45.720 --> 01:54:48.439
pelt, maybe while they were hunting
or to blend in, and I thought,

1672
01:54:48.479 --> 01:54:51.600
you know, that pelt should be
here. Nope, I found the

1673
01:54:51.720 --> 01:54:57.319
entire carcass. I found the skull
to start with, and I walked down

1674
01:54:57.319 --> 01:55:00.960
and I found the carcass and it
was clean this same way the bear was,

1675
01:55:00.279 --> 01:55:02.399
So I figured it was theirs,
you know, and that's what they

1676
01:55:02.399 --> 01:55:06.199
had done, and this one I
decided to leave there. As a matter

1677
01:55:06.239 --> 01:55:09.760
of fact, I just took a
picture the other day. Is some of

1678
01:55:10.039 --> 01:55:15.520
the remnants because on it not where
it was left the skull. It was

1679
01:55:15.560 --> 01:55:19.159
on a log close to probably ten
feet from where I found the bear.

1680
01:55:19.319 --> 01:55:24.079
Of the jawbones right there and the
upper and lower but that's all that was

1681
01:55:24.119 --> 01:55:29.279
there. It was just the upper
and lower jawbones on a tree when it

1682
01:55:29.359 --> 01:55:34.279
was left down below where the bear
was killed. So this is from where

1683
01:55:34.279 --> 01:55:39.159
the bear was killed them where I
left that skull, because I was going

1684
01:55:39.239 --> 01:55:42.159
to maybe get the you know,
take the little horns for a little knife

1685
01:55:42.239 --> 01:55:44.760
or something, because I use horns
all the time. I do a lot

1686
01:55:44.800 --> 01:55:47.039
of work. I make buttons and
different things out of the deer horn.

1687
01:55:47.520 --> 01:55:51.760
It was probably twenty five maybe thirty
feet away from where I left that skull,

1688
01:55:53.239 --> 01:55:57.039
and it was placed on top of
a log. So there are too

1689
01:55:57.079 --> 01:56:00.680
many people who were too many things
that picked things up and some on top

1690
01:56:00.720 --> 01:56:02.800
of things. So I took pictures
of those, and the funniest part is

1691
01:56:02.840 --> 01:56:08.399
the first picture I took was blurry
and clear in my camera, but it

1692
01:56:08.439 --> 01:56:11.079
was blurry when I take the shot. I'm like, well, that's kind

1693
01:56:11.079 --> 01:56:13.840
of weird. And that happened to
me when I was with Tom can Chart

1694
01:56:14.000 --> 01:56:18.439
because we felt at two different spots
that there was something there that you know,

1695
01:56:18.520 --> 01:56:23.680
there was you know, a sasquatch
in the area and kind of watching

1696
01:56:23.760 --> 01:56:28.960
us. And I took a picture
of this x and it was perfectly focused

1697
01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:31.399
when I snapped that thing, but
it came out blurry. I actually posted

1698
01:56:31.439 --> 01:56:33.920
it last week, you know,
go, well, here you go,

1699
01:56:34.000 --> 01:56:39.279
and you can tell they were present
because it blurted and it shouldn't have blurred.

1700
01:56:39.760 --> 01:56:42.800
There was no reason for that to
happen. But the second shot I

1701
01:56:42.840 --> 01:56:45.159
took came out crisp and clear,
but the first one I took, when

1702
01:56:45.199 --> 01:56:49.399
we were feeling that there was something
there, came out blurry. Because you

1703
01:56:49.439 --> 01:56:54.319
know, they're an inner, high
energy being, you know, to do

1704
01:56:54.399 --> 01:56:57.159
the things that they do, be
able to cloak. It's about their energy,

1705
01:56:58.119 --> 01:57:00.359
is what I'm figuring. That's where
you get into more things with the

1706
01:57:00.439 --> 01:57:05.159
Ron Moore head and the quantum physics, which I've always been interested in quantum

1707
01:57:05.159 --> 01:57:10.399
physics, you know, I love
about all the smallest things and things like

1708
01:57:10.439 --> 01:57:14.840
the both pigs and the molecule that
they were calling the God molecule. But

1709
01:57:15.359 --> 01:57:18.359
what they don't understand is that's the
smallest thing they able to come up with.

1710
01:57:18.520 --> 01:57:23.720
But what makes that up? There's
something even smaller that makes that up?

1711
01:57:24.439 --> 01:57:27.760
Then what makes that up? There's
something smaller than that. That's when

1712
01:57:27.760 --> 01:57:30.319
you start looking at infinity. And
I only want to go there because when

1713
01:57:30.319 --> 01:57:33.960
I start thinking about it, it
just screws my brain just up yet because

1714
01:57:33.960 --> 01:57:38.439
you can't stop. You can't stop. It's an infinite loop. But for

1715
01:57:38.560 --> 01:57:41.600
months after that, I was going
on the roadways and I would just open

1716
01:57:41.640 --> 01:57:45.199
my door and I'm getting out to
look at a spot or something that I

1717
01:57:45.239 --> 01:57:48.960
spotted, maybe a footprint, one
footprint on a vertical bank. Unfortunately you

1718
01:57:49.000 --> 01:57:53.840
can't cast it perfect toe marks everything
else. You know, where they'd like

1719
01:57:53.920 --> 01:57:58.119
jump from the road up and leaped
off that bank, hit that footprint and

1720
01:57:58.159 --> 01:58:00.720
over the top, you know,
to get up to the I was like

1721
01:58:00.119 --> 01:58:03.560
pretty impressive, and it was the
juvenile It was the size of his prep

1722
01:58:04.319 --> 01:58:08.079
and his prints are up to ten
inches. Now he's grown and I think

1723
01:58:08.119 --> 01:58:12.279
he's a little closer to six feet
tall because from the photograph that I took

1724
01:58:12.359 --> 01:58:15.880
last year, which I thought he
split, because he was next to MoMA

1725
01:58:15.439 --> 01:58:17.880
on the other side of the tree, just kind of hanging on this branch

1726
01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:21.079
like this. You see his hair
hanging down everything. I said, well,

1727
01:58:21.079 --> 01:58:25.199
I'm gonna take a photograph. If
it's okay, man, I take

1728
01:58:25.239 --> 01:58:28.680
a photograph of you. He was
gone, he split. I'm like,

1729
01:58:29.199 --> 01:58:31.479
and I called him out. Sorry, kids, but I called him a

1730
01:58:31.560 --> 01:58:33.840
chickens. Remember I talked. I
talked to him just like I do my

1731
01:58:33.920 --> 01:58:39.319
friends with family, and I thought
he'd bailed. But actually here, just

1732
01:58:39.359 --> 01:58:42.880
a few weeks ago, I really
started looking at those pictures and blowing him

1733
01:58:42.960 --> 01:58:46.119
up. He's with her, he's
right behind her, and he's leaning out.

1734
01:58:46.520 --> 01:58:49.680
So that's why I want to have
those photos enhanced. Scott's working on

1735
01:58:49.720 --> 01:58:54.720
that. YE make that happen for
me. But for like a month and

1736
01:58:54.720 --> 01:58:58.119
a half leading up to that siding, I would open my door and I

1737
01:58:58.159 --> 01:59:04.439
would hear Bill very proper, kind
of librarian female voice that it was just

1738
01:59:04.479 --> 01:59:10.000
a proper but very ladylike voice,
and I'm like, I'm the only one

1739
01:59:10.039 --> 01:59:14.439
out here. There ain't no women
running around the woods out here, you

1740
01:59:14.479 --> 01:59:17.479
know. And I never correlated it
the word maybe that's a voice she's using

1741
01:59:17.520 --> 01:59:21.359
for me, until you know,
I had my siding with her. And

1742
01:59:23.039 --> 01:59:28.239
this happened for about six weeks after
leading up to my siding, and I

1743
01:59:28.279 --> 01:59:30.239
would be out in the middle of
the woods somewhere and I'd hear Bill and

1744
01:59:30.279 --> 01:59:33.760
that lady like voice. I'm like, I really think just is driving me

1745
01:59:33.840 --> 01:59:38.199
nuts. I said, this is
a I think I need to have my

1746
01:59:38.239 --> 01:59:43.479
sanity check because there's things happening out
here I can't explain. And it's like,

1747
01:59:43.479 --> 01:59:45.199
like I say, every time I
get out there, I said,

1748
01:59:45.199 --> 01:59:48.640
hey, Bill's here. And you
know that didn't dawn on me that you

1749
01:59:48.640 --> 01:59:51.319
know, they're doing the same thing
and going, oh, Bill's here,

1750
01:59:51.680 --> 01:59:56.960
and she's saying Bill, And I
think if I it had dawned on me,

1751
01:59:57.039 --> 02:00:00.000
I actually would have had a sooner
siding with her, So, you

1752
02:00:00.000 --> 02:00:04.239
know, because I just sometimes i'm
and I tell them and I relate to

1753
02:00:04.239 --> 02:00:09.520
them. Hey, sometimes you got
to put a billboard up for me because

1754
02:00:09.560 --> 02:00:13.439
I got to see this. You
know, I'm not understanding this, you

1755
02:00:13.479 --> 02:00:15.159
know, because sometimes it just goes
out of my head. I'm made to

1756
02:00:15.199 --> 02:00:19.760
this, remember, you know,
so sometimes you gotta, you know,

1757
02:00:19.840 --> 02:00:24.439
make a billboard sign for me to
pay attention to what's really happening. And

1758
02:00:24.680 --> 02:00:27.039
all this happened for weeks, and
I thought I was going nuts. I

1759
02:00:27.159 --> 02:00:30.199
tell Tom, because I keep in
touch with him as much as possible.

1760
02:00:30.319 --> 02:00:34.039
Man, he's just keep every time. He's go with it, Bill,

1761
02:00:34.159 --> 02:00:36.760
go with it, just go with
it. Don't worry. It'll come together.

1762
02:00:38.640 --> 02:00:41.920
So I'm up there one day,
and this was September thirteenth, and

1763
02:00:42.000 --> 02:00:45.159
I'm going up the road to where
the asterisk is, and I that I

1764
02:00:45.199 --> 02:00:47.920
did send you a picture of the
big asterisk, and there's a gravel pit

1765
02:00:48.000 --> 02:00:53.159
before that. Then you're going around. It's probably a few hundred yards and

1766
02:00:53.239 --> 02:00:56.920
I'm looking and I've been noticing this
bank. And I've heard people say that

1767
02:00:57.039 --> 02:01:00.720
when they go up a very steep
incline, they're like us. They don't

1768
02:01:00.760 --> 02:01:03.680
walk straight up it because they can't. So you turn your foot sideways and

1769
02:01:03.760 --> 02:01:08.000
do a sidehill thing. Because when
you do that sidehill, you push that

1770
02:01:08.119 --> 02:01:12.399
dirt down and it gives you more
surface area to hold on to and if

1771
02:01:12.439 --> 02:01:15.760
your foot'slift, it just compacts the
dirt underneath you, so you don't go

1772
02:01:15.920 --> 02:01:18.039
very far, you know, and
you can get up that hill. And

1773
02:01:18.079 --> 02:01:25.079
I'm looking at this spot and I
see a triangle going up. There's where

1774
02:01:25.079 --> 02:01:28.039
they went up this way or where
they went up this way, and it's

1775
02:01:28.119 --> 02:01:30.199
not bear remarks I'm looking at.
I'm like, you know, this is

1776
02:01:30.279 --> 02:01:33.880
a fair sized foot that's doing this. And I don't think people are doing

1777
02:01:33.880 --> 02:01:38.520
this because I'm the only one out
here big for society who will be right

1778
02:01:38.560 --> 02:01:58.439
back after these messages. You know, I really ever come across anybody out

1779
02:01:58.439 --> 02:02:01.760
here, even though it's very accessible. Usually most of the locals just use

1780
02:02:01.800 --> 02:02:06.279
it as a quick get over so
they can avoid going to the freeway.

1781
02:02:06.520 --> 02:02:11.439
They can come over to Medford,
they can go visit friends that are over

1782
02:02:11.479 --> 02:02:15.760
on this other side. And you
know, it's between two major rivers,

1783
02:02:15.000 --> 02:02:17.880
which is another good thing. There's
lots of water, there's fish, you

1784
02:02:17.880 --> 02:02:23.000
know, there's lots of food sources. I have seen elk actually it's up

1785
02:02:23.039 --> 02:02:26.600
there, which I'd never seen before. There's a blue grouse which are huge.

1786
02:02:27.039 --> 02:02:30.560
There's the size of a chicken,
rough grouse, quail just every kind

1787
02:02:30.560 --> 02:02:33.600
of thing you can think of.
There's coyotes up there, there's the course

1788
02:02:33.680 --> 02:02:41.039
cougar and bear, and the different
amounts of different types of food that grew

1789
02:02:41.119 --> 02:02:44.000
up there. All the different types
of berries that are up there. Aside

1790
02:02:44.000 --> 02:02:48.520
from the huckleberries, the blueberries,
the blackberries, black caps, marion berries

1791
02:02:48.560 --> 02:02:53.279
are up there. There's just everything. Lots of meddicinal stuff as well.

1792
02:02:53.760 --> 02:02:58.079
And from what I understand up and
told that they're master herbalist. You know,

1793
02:02:58.199 --> 02:03:00.439
they've got to be able to you
know. It's not like, uh,

1794
02:03:00.640 --> 02:03:03.479
the sasquat just go knock on the
hospital door when something happens. So

1795
02:03:03.520 --> 02:03:06.119
they have to know how to take
care of themselves. And that's why I

1796
02:03:06.159 --> 02:03:09.680
take them garlic. I'm feeling that. You know, garlic is a great

1797
02:03:09.680 --> 02:03:13.680
healer. It's also a natural antibiotic. It's good for a lot of different

1798
02:03:13.720 --> 02:03:16.119
issues. So I take them garlic, and nothing else in the woods will

1799
02:03:16.119 --> 02:03:19.079
take the garlic. Bears don't want
nothing to do with it. De don't

1800
02:03:19.079 --> 02:03:23.239
want anything to do with the birds
don't touch it. You know, they're

1801
02:03:23.319 --> 02:03:26.079
the only thing to eat garlic is
bugs, you know, and it's a

1802
02:03:26.239 --> 02:03:29.359
specific type of worm that'll get in
there and eat it, and they don't

1803
02:03:29.359 --> 02:03:32.399
eat much of it, you know, because it's pretty powerful. And the

1804
02:03:32.399 --> 02:03:36.039
wild garlics that you find are these
little tiny things, you know. I

1805
02:03:36.039 --> 02:03:40.600
mean, you got five miles of
stem, but you got this little tiny

1806
02:03:40.720 --> 02:03:44.119
chunk. So I'm sure they really
appreciate getting up there. And they got

1807
02:03:44.159 --> 02:03:45.720
to cloth this half the size of
my fist and they're like, yeah,

1808
02:03:46.239 --> 02:03:49.840
we love you. Bill. Well, I'm looking at this, these side

1809
02:03:49.840 --> 02:03:54.520
steps going up and I'm trying to
find toe prints, and I could could

1810
02:03:54.680 --> 02:03:57.479
make out kind of toe prints and
a few of them will go to home.

1811
02:03:58.039 --> 02:04:00.239
I heard about this that you know
when it's really steep, and this

1812
02:04:00.319 --> 02:04:04.279
is a very steep section. I
wouldn't walk up it. There's no way.

1813
02:04:04.880 --> 02:04:09.079
Put me on a rope, you
know, and some gear. I

1814
02:04:09.079 --> 02:04:12.880
will try to get up there.
And I'm actually not in bad shape right

1815
02:04:12.880 --> 02:04:17.039
now for being fifty nine years old, better shape than I was a year

1816
02:04:17.039 --> 02:04:19.479
ago. Like I said, I
dropped thirty five pounds. I bulked up

1817
02:04:19.520 --> 02:04:24.399
by doing the job that I do
and running circles around the kids that we

1818
02:04:24.520 --> 02:04:27.840
hire in because I've outlasted most of
them. There's a few of us hold

1819
02:04:27.880 --> 02:04:30.840
guys on there and we make the
kids look bad. So I will tell

1820
02:04:30.880 --> 02:04:32.600
you. You know, I'm slow, but no, I keep up with

1821
02:04:32.680 --> 02:04:38.199
everything. But I was looking at
these that I heard pop and it couldn't

1822
02:04:38.199 --> 02:04:40.720
have been more just off the side
of the road on the other side,

1823
02:04:41.279 --> 02:04:44.439
couldn't have been more than fifty feet
away. And I holler, JJ,

1824
02:04:44.880 --> 02:04:46.960
I know your pop buddy, you
know, I said, how you doing,

1825
02:04:47.079 --> 02:04:51.119
my friend, and I brought my
guitar. I have my guitar in

1826
02:04:51.119 --> 02:04:54.640
there because I was going to sit
up and I do that often, sit

1827
02:04:54.680 --> 02:04:58.319
on the mountaintop and play my guitar
and play my music. And so I

1828
02:04:58.359 --> 02:05:00.920
went to the back of the pand
got my guitar. Well, that allowed

1829
02:05:00.239 --> 02:05:03.920
JJ and Mama because I just call
her Mama to get across the road and

1830
02:05:03.920 --> 02:05:06.840
get up to where they were.
It's a tree, and I played my

1831
02:05:06.880 --> 02:05:11.560
guitar for about forty five minutes to
them and I look at Yeah, they're

1832
02:05:11.560 --> 02:05:14.600
still there hanging out, and it
just seemed to be enjoyed. I mean,

1833
02:05:14.600 --> 02:05:15.960
they didn't throw anything at me,
so I figured it was okay,

1834
02:05:16.319 --> 02:05:19.279
you know, no tomatoes coming my
way. And then I got up to

1835
02:05:19.279 --> 02:05:23.359
the front of the man and I
start talking to him and you know,

1836
02:05:23.399 --> 02:05:26.000
I talk about everything just like I
would with anybody else, you know,

1837
02:05:26.199 --> 02:05:29.960
catching up on a conversation, love
life, everything else, and you know

1838
02:05:30.039 --> 02:05:33.680
how much things are going or you
know, things suck today or whatever's going

1839
02:05:33.720 --> 02:05:38.239
on. And they just hung around
and I mentioned taking a photograph, and

1840
02:05:38.239 --> 02:05:43.039
that's when JJ seemed to have just
bolted that instant. I said, I'm

1841
02:05:43.039 --> 02:05:45.520
gonna do it on that phone.
I said, even the camera that has

1842
02:05:45.560 --> 02:05:47.119
them. I tell them, the
nose that comes out, it won't hurt

1843
02:05:47.159 --> 02:05:50.279
you. It's not again, you
know. And I explained what an image

1844
02:05:50.319 --> 02:05:55.479
was. I told them this is
because I told them that our memories as

1845
02:05:55.560 --> 02:05:58.720
human beings are fallible, especially the
older we get. I said, And

1846
02:05:58.760 --> 02:06:01.159
the thing about an image, which
I remember, and I've taken millions.

1847
02:06:01.439 --> 02:06:04.920
I'm probably in a million and a
half close to two million photographs that I've

1848
02:06:04.960 --> 02:06:09.920
taken in my lifetime. Because I've
always been efficient with the camera. I

1849
02:06:09.960 --> 02:06:15.279
have old SLR thirty five millimeter cameras
put away because that's kind of the old

1850
02:06:15.279 --> 02:06:18.239
thing. Try to find thirty five
millimeter film anymore. Right now, I'm

1851
02:06:18.239 --> 02:06:23.560
looking at probably an EO seven right
now that I'm wanting to buy that's going

1852
02:06:23.640 --> 02:06:30.720
to have manual and automatic on the
adjustments, because Manuel, I'm actually faster

1853
02:06:30.840 --> 02:06:34.319
than the autos are as far as
tuning things in because I did it for

1854
02:06:34.359 --> 02:06:40.399
so long. But all I have
with me, I did have my four

1855
02:06:40.479 --> 02:06:43.720
K hadn't come yet. It came
up two days later. Oh man,

1856
02:06:44.239 --> 02:06:45.159
Yeah. I was like, man, I sure wish I had my four

1857
02:06:45.239 --> 02:06:47.600
KID. I wish I had my
four K. I wish it was here.

1858
02:06:47.960 --> 02:06:50.079
So I got my cell phone a
hand because I didn't want to scare

1859
02:06:50.079 --> 02:06:53.560
them with my other camera, and
I said, if you don't mind not,

1860
02:06:54.000 --> 02:06:57.319
I'll just take one with my cell
phone here. And what I explained

1861
02:06:57.359 --> 02:07:02.760
to her, I said, a
photograph is a moment captured in time that

1862
02:07:02.880 --> 02:07:08.079
when we look back at it,
it draws us right back to that moment

1863
02:07:08.399 --> 02:07:13.079
for a reflection of what happened at
that very moment. I recognized every picture

1864
02:07:13.079 --> 02:07:16.239
I've ever taken, and I can
tell you about the circumstance I was taking

1865
02:07:16.279 --> 02:07:18.680
her, what I was doing at
that time, all the way back to

1866
02:07:19.359 --> 02:07:24.039
my first photographs, even though I've
taken that many, you know, up

1867
02:07:24.039 --> 02:07:27.600
to a million and a half,
possibly two million. Even my ex she

1868
02:07:27.720 --> 02:07:31.119
borrowed some of mine, at least
she thought they were hers and posted them

1869
02:07:31.199 --> 02:07:34.840
up on her Facebook and I went, what are you doing stealing my picture?

1870
02:07:34.920 --> 02:07:36.920
She says, no, I took
that picture. I said, I

1871
02:07:36.960 --> 02:07:40.359
can prove to you I took that
picture. Let me tell you what we

1872
02:07:40.359 --> 02:07:43.560
were doing and what happened when I
took that photograph. And I just find

1873
02:07:43.640 --> 02:07:45.840
her exactly what was going on everydays? Yeah, well maybe you did.

1874
02:07:46.279 --> 02:07:48.479
I said, yes, I did
take that photograph. Matter of fact,

1875
02:07:48.520 --> 02:07:51.560
it's on my computer. Would like
to show you that one. I said,

1876
02:07:51.560 --> 02:07:58.279
you stole it off my Facebook.
Ahead, but I asked her permission

1877
02:07:58.319 --> 02:08:01.760
to take a photograph and she allowed
me to take two. And like I

1878
02:08:01.800 --> 02:08:05.600
said, I didn't realize until just
you know, just probably a month and

1879
02:08:05.640 --> 02:08:11.479
a half ago, that JJ didn't
split he was with her, because I

1880
02:08:11.560 --> 02:08:13.800
was looking at the photos and I'm
going, well, I see this kind

1881
02:08:13.840 --> 02:08:18.039
of split. That's kind of odd. What is that back there? And

1882
02:08:18.399 --> 02:08:22.800
I started blowing him up and I
say, oh, JJ's in there,

1883
02:08:22.800 --> 02:08:26.199
the juvenile. He's just kind of
buyer and he's just kind of leaning out

1884
02:08:26.239 --> 02:08:30.439
for mama. And that's why I
showed to Scott when we were at Beach

1885
02:08:30.520 --> 02:08:33.079
Foot and he said let me take
care of those for you. Yeah,

1886
02:08:33.439 --> 02:08:35.039
check it out, send it to
your friend and see if he can do

1887
02:08:35.079 --> 02:08:37.720
anything. I said. The problem
was it was taken from a cell phone.

1888
02:08:39.439 --> 02:08:41.800
I said, it's very low.
As far as you know, it's

1889
02:08:41.960 --> 02:08:45.960
zero point three I think megapixels.
It's not much. I'll have to look

1890
02:08:45.960 --> 02:08:48.279
it up to find out exactly what
it is. But I measured out that

1891
02:08:48.399 --> 02:08:52.279
was exactly sixty eight feet away from
her, I asked. After I took

1892
02:08:52.319 --> 02:08:56.199
the photograph, I asked her to
move up to there's a giant Douglas fur

1893
02:08:56.399 --> 02:09:00.319
just above her, just a couple
of feet above her, that's like eight

1894
02:09:00.319 --> 02:09:03.439
feet through at the base. I
said, why don't you you know,

1895
02:09:03.600 --> 02:09:05.840
why don't you go and be behind
the tree there. I need to walk

1896
02:09:05.920 --> 02:09:11.000
up and make sure there was no
stump there, so to make sure that

1897
02:09:11.119 --> 02:09:13.880
this was actually you. I was
taking a photograph up because they know my

1898
02:09:13.960 --> 02:09:18.079
vision is not the best. I've
told him. I said so, and

1899
02:09:18.239 --> 02:09:22.079
I could see where and I have
photographs where you can see where they stepped

1900
02:09:22.159 --> 02:09:24.600
up the bank to be right where
she was for me to take to this

1901
02:09:24.680 --> 02:09:30.039
photograph, and that there was nothing
there also the previous I took two shots

1902
02:09:30.079 --> 02:09:35.479
previous to this. It was before
the he pop did the pop. There's

1903
02:09:35.520 --> 02:09:39.680
a was a tree stump up there
in the sun started shining through a hole

1904
02:09:39.880 --> 02:09:43.039
that was in the stump and it
was in the shape of a heart.

1905
02:09:43.560 --> 02:09:46.760
I'm going to print that up and
send it to Arlac because Arma collects heart.

1906
02:09:46.800 --> 02:09:50.720
So I said, Arla. This
happened just minutes before my sighting.

1907
02:09:52.560 --> 02:09:54.439
I said, it was the coolest
thing. I looked at her. Wow,

1908
02:09:54.479 --> 02:09:58.520
there's a perfect heart that the sun
is shining through it, and it's

1909
02:09:58.560 --> 02:10:01.520
all lit up, this perfect heart
in the middle of this tree stone.

1910
02:10:01.119 --> 02:10:03.760
So that was kind of a cool
anomaly. The next thing is I'm with

1911
02:10:03.800 --> 02:10:07.720
the female and the juvenile, and
that last did. As a matter of

1912
02:10:07.760 --> 02:10:13.399
fact, I'm the one that actually
stopped the sighting, so they you guys

1913
02:10:13.439 --> 02:10:16.520
know, I got responsibilities that I
take care of it. I'm very adamant

1914
02:10:16.520 --> 02:10:20.479
about taking care of my own responsibilities
at home that I have somebody at home.

1915
02:10:20.520 --> 02:10:22.159
I need to get dinner too,
and take care of things. But

1916
02:10:22.359 --> 02:10:26.159
it was an hour and a half
that I spent with them up chatting,

1917
02:10:26.279 --> 02:10:30.960
playing my guitar and you know,
doing all these things, and I just

1918
02:10:31.000 --> 02:10:33.239
had the time of my life.
I love it and I just craved the

1919
02:10:33.319 --> 02:10:37.359
time that I can be with him. So it hasn't happened. Actually it

1920
02:10:37.399 --> 02:10:41.600
has. I was up camping.
We had some storms rolled through here,

1921
02:10:41.159 --> 02:10:45.520
and I decided I'm staying on the
mountaintop that night. Matter of fact,

1922
02:10:45.600 --> 02:10:50.840
I went up there earlier in the
day and I found in the snow another

1923
02:10:50.920 --> 02:10:54.880
short trackway Mama and Jason Prince.
Because I know him by the size.

1924
02:10:56.279 --> 02:10:58.960
You know, hers is fourteen and
a half inches by four a little old

1925
02:11:00.079 --> 02:11:05.239
or four inches wide. His are
now ten by just under four. It's

1926
02:11:05.279 --> 02:11:09.760
like three three and three quarters,
right in that neighborhood. And I went,

1927
02:11:09.800 --> 02:11:13.520
oh, I got through directly,
So I'm going to stay just maybe

1928
02:11:13.560 --> 02:11:16.239
one hundred yards from there. And
this is at the top of the mount

1929
02:11:16.239 --> 02:11:20.680
and so I drove all the way
back to town, got some camping gear.

1930
02:11:20.800 --> 02:11:24.359
I picked up wood along the way
all the way up the mountain.

1931
02:11:24.840 --> 02:11:26.359
Somebody had left some stuff down at
the pond, which kind of made me

1932
02:11:26.359 --> 02:11:30.600
mad that they're even camping at the
spring. You know, there's a spot

1933
02:11:30.680 --> 02:11:35.039
right across the road right there you
can see the spring, that's got a

1934
02:11:35.039 --> 02:11:37.520
fire pit. You can camp there
all the animals drink from that water,

1935
02:11:37.640 --> 02:11:41.439
you know, stay away from the
spring. It just kind of asseests me

1936
02:11:41.439 --> 02:11:43.479
when people are up there, because
there was a squadron up there that left

1937
02:11:43.520 --> 02:11:48.119
an absolute mess. This is a
cool story. This is a cool story.

1938
02:11:48.159 --> 02:11:50.680
I'll tell you. They left their
tent covered all this garbage. Half

1939
02:11:50.680 --> 02:11:56.079
the stuff that was covered by the
tent was probably stolen people's photographs, everything

1940
02:11:56.119 --> 02:11:58.960
else. And I mean, it
just upset me to see that there.

1941
02:12:00.800 --> 02:12:05.239
Aside from that the mess that they
left behind. And I was talking out

1942
02:12:05.439 --> 02:12:07.479
because I always talk out loud when
I'm out there. I told you,

1943
02:12:07.520 --> 02:12:09.560
if you come across me in the
woods, you're gonna think I'm nuts.

1944
02:12:09.000 --> 02:12:11.720
You know, this guy's out here
talking to himself, you know, talking

1945
02:12:11.720 --> 02:12:15.399
about all kinds of weird stuff.
You know, say, Hi, I'm

1946
02:12:15.439 --> 02:12:18.000
Bill. I'm here carrying on conversations
by himself. No, I'm speaking to

1947
02:12:18.039 --> 02:12:22.760
that specifically, that fake it.
Not only take it, but I speak

1948
02:12:22.800 --> 02:12:26.560
it. Mama and the juvenile are
verbal. It's the alpha male that does

1949
02:12:26.600 --> 02:12:31.279
the telepathy with me. They choose
not to they choose to verbalize. And

1950
02:12:31.479 --> 02:12:35.640
this leads up to when I first
heard JJ speak, which was just a

1951
02:12:35.680 --> 02:12:39.039
few weeks ago, it was just
last month. I stayed up there in

1952
02:12:39.039 --> 02:12:43.359
the middle of the storm, and
I filmed some of it from sitting inside

1953
02:12:43.399 --> 02:12:46.760
my cab because I was waiting for
breaking the storm to get all the wood

1954
02:12:46.800 --> 02:12:48.760
out of the back of my van, you know, so I could lay

1955
02:12:48.800 --> 02:12:52.600
down in there and get some sleep. Because I was exhausted my days off.

1956
02:12:52.640 --> 02:12:54.760
I just stay up. I don't
go to bed, you know,

1957
02:12:54.960 --> 02:12:58.840
until I just can't stand it no
more than you know, I'll lay down

1958
02:12:58.840 --> 02:13:01.840
and go to sleep, because I
switched myself back onto a day thing,

1959
02:13:01.880 --> 02:13:05.199
because that's when everything happens. You
can't get much done in the middle of

1960
02:13:05.199 --> 02:13:07.880
the night. People get upset when
you fire up a weed eater or something

1961
02:13:07.920 --> 02:13:11.079
at three o'clock in the morning.
I don't know why, you know,

1962
02:13:11.520 --> 02:13:13.840
it's just not on my schedule.
I don't know why. You know.

1963
02:13:13.880 --> 02:13:16.520
There should be more people on my
schedule. They should be comfortable with They

1964
02:13:16.560 --> 02:13:20.760
go, oh, that's cool,
he's blowing lease at three am. Yeah,

1965
02:13:20.880 --> 02:13:24.119
but for some reason they get upset. So so I switched myself to

1966
02:13:24.319 --> 02:13:26.880
two days a week. That's why
my I don't sleep a lot, because

1967
02:13:26.920 --> 02:13:30.720
I screw up my sleep so badly. But yeah, it's like it's storming

1968
02:13:30.760 --> 02:13:33.720
like crazy, and these are quarter
sized rain drops coming down, lightning,

1969
02:13:33.840 --> 02:13:37.560
thunder everywhere. The wind was just
blowing and everything sideways. It was just

1970
02:13:39.079 --> 02:13:41.960
I was loving every minute of it
because I love that stuff. I love

1971
02:13:41.079 --> 02:13:43.439
nature, you know, I don't
care what part nature it is, even

1972
02:13:43.479 --> 02:13:48.479
the wild part. I love it. I've been in tornadoes, not the

1973
02:13:48.479 --> 02:13:50.920
only thing I haven't been in is
a hurricane, you know. I mean,

1974
02:13:50.960 --> 02:13:54.520
I've been down to the south that
way, but I've never experienced a

1975
02:13:54.600 --> 02:13:58.960
hurricane. So that's probably about the
only thing I've not I've been in thunder

1976
02:14:00.079 --> 02:14:03.640
snowstorms, two of them, and
that's the coolest thing in the world.

1977
02:14:03.039 --> 02:14:09.520
It's snowing, and when that lightning
stort shoots out there, everything lights up

1978
02:14:09.560 --> 02:14:13.359
like daytime. Yeah, after eight. But the next day I start,

1979
02:14:13.520 --> 02:14:16.319
I get the fire going. I
stoke up the fire, get it going

1980
02:14:16.359 --> 02:14:20.159
good, and I walk up towards
where the trackway was, and I fell

1981
02:14:20.760 --> 02:14:24.600
and I figured, you know,
the rains probably just decimated the snow that

1982
02:14:24.680 --> 02:14:28.600
was there, because it was just
the most amazing downpours that were coming down.

1983
02:14:28.279 --> 02:14:31.319
And when I got back up to
the snow track, I didn't walk

1984
02:14:31.359 --> 02:14:35.199
up to it I drove up to
it a little while later, but it

1985
02:14:35.319 --> 02:14:37.520
was still there. Most of the
prints were still there. I was just

1986
02:14:37.520 --> 02:14:41.800
blown away that it didn't get washed
away or rained out. That was very

1987
02:14:41.800 --> 02:14:46.680
odd. But I get about halfway
up there. I'm just walking up the

1988
02:14:46.760 --> 02:14:48.640
road, just going on a little
corny stroll, get my blood pumping,

1989
02:14:50.359 --> 02:14:52.119
and I thought I saw a little
bit of a structure on one side,

1990
02:14:52.119 --> 02:14:56.199
and I kind of dismissed it.
But there was an arch there that an

1991
02:14:56.199 --> 02:14:58.399
old log was laid on top of
him. The tree that was arched was

1992
02:14:58.439 --> 02:15:01.560
way too young for that log to
have fallen on it, because the log

1993
02:15:01.640 --> 02:15:05.840
was actually placed there from somewhere else. And I went, oh, okay,

1994
02:15:05.880 --> 02:15:09.960
well that part's probably real. And
I'm real critical when I look at

1995
02:15:09.000 --> 02:15:13.560
these things. You know, I
got to make sure that it wasn't from

1996
02:15:13.600 --> 02:15:16.000
a it's not a dead fall,
it's not a wind fall. You know,

1997
02:15:16.279 --> 02:15:20.000
it was built this way. It
could a person do this? Like

1998
02:15:20.079 --> 02:15:24.079
I have a large arch structure that
goes up about thirty five feet high.

1999
02:15:24.520 --> 02:15:28.319
It's a big arch. The tree
is probably eighty ninety feet long, that's

2000
02:15:28.439 --> 02:15:33.119
arched, and there's an X in
it and it's all compressed and held in

2001
02:15:33.159 --> 02:15:39.159
place by the compression of these axes
in the middle, which there's no way

2002
02:15:39.159 --> 02:15:43.039
in nature that could happen. And
my son got to see this and he

2003
02:15:43.079 --> 02:15:46.479
went from being on the fence about
Bigfoot. You're going, wow, Dad,

2004
02:15:48.119 --> 02:15:50.720
because I just washed his face just
kind of blink and drop and wanted

2005
02:15:50.800 --> 02:15:54.079
him to really analyze this thing.
And I'm pretty proud of it. He

2006
02:15:54.119 --> 02:15:58.800
came to pretty much the exact same
conclusions I have. And then I said,

2007
02:15:58.840 --> 02:16:01.239
OK, how many do you think
it took to build this thing?

2008
02:16:01.680 --> 02:16:03.560
He said, well, at least
three, Dad, He said. One

2009
02:16:03.600 --> 02:16:07.720
had to be holding the arch down, the other one putting one of these

2010
02:16:09.159 --> 02:16:13.279
posts go went up of the X
for me, weaving it in and out

2011
02:16:13.279 --> 02:16:16.359
of the trees to put it under
compression, and while another one is putting

2012
02:16:16.600 --> 02:16:20.119
the second one up and doing the
same thing, weaving in and out of

2013
02:16:20.119 --> 02:16:24.640
the standing trees that are there and
put it under compression. The old thing

2014
02:16:24.720 --> 02:16:28.760
is holding that down is to compression
and the pressure of the X. If

2015
02:16:28.800 --> 02:16:33.239
you grab the end of that tree
and shook that limb and probably do the

2016
02:16:33.239 --> 02:16:37.079
wily coyote thing and shoot you across
the roadway, you know, because it's

2017
02:16:37.399 --> 02:16:39.120
like a trap. I was like, man, I can put a noose

2018
02:16:39.120 --> 02:16:43.399
here, and I'm stepping in.
You know, I got it captured big

2019
02:16:43.440 --> 02:17:03.399
for society will be right back after
these messages because there's nothing holding it out.

2020
02:17:03.440 --> 02:17:05.959
It's just the compression of the accents
in the middle of it holding it

2021
02:17:07.040 --> 02:17:11.360
in place in an arch really cool
spot. But anyways, I spotted that

2022
02:17:11.399 --> 02:17:15.079
piece and I'm like, well,
you know, I haven't had any activity.

2023
02:17:15.319 --> 02:17:18.799
I actually I got one pop the
day before, and they just do

2024
02:17:18.920 --> 02:17:22.280
that to let me know, well, we're here, but we're probably not

2025
02:17:22.280 --> 02:17:24.239
going to see it. You know. We got our own thing to do,

2026
02:17:24.760 --> 02:17:26.680
you know, because they got a
fourage. They're big creatures. They

2027
02:17:26.719 --> 02:17:30.040
got to eat, you know.
And the time they take for me,

2028
02:17:30.200 --> 02:17:33.680
I feel real special, especially is
forty five minutes or an hour and a

2029
02:17:33.719 --> 02:17:37.559
half, because that's taken away from
their foraging type. So I decided,

2030
02:17:37.639 --> 02:17:41.840
okay, well I'm going to go
back to Campstoke to fire up stuff.

2031
02:17:41.280 --> 02:17:45.680
So I can't whistle with my mouth. I never could do that, so

2032
02:17:45.719 --> 02:17:48.719
I use my fingers and I did. I let out this really big whistle

2033
02:17:50.760 --> 02:17:54.799
and when I did that, seconds
later I heard one of the pops.

2034
02:17:54.159 --> 02:17:58.239
It's come from just over the top
of the hill towards where the tracks were,

2035
02:17:58.840 --> 02:18:01.559
but you know, just kind of
rested over the hillside. I could

2036
02:18:01.600 --> 02:18:03.680
tell, you know that it was
lowered down, and I went, oh,

2037
02:18:03.799 --> 02:18:07.360
okay, so I hollered up hello, and then you know, headed

2038
02:18:07.399 --> 02:18:11.600
back to camp. So I left
back to camp. My vans parked close

2039
02:18:11.639 --> 02:18:16.600
to where I had my campfire,
and it's like twenty feet to the trees

2040
02:18:16.280 --> 02:18:20.440
behind the where I was, and
everything else around me was tall timber.

2041
02:18:20.920 --> 02:18:22.440
The picture that I sent you at
me, you know, that was from

2042
02:18:22.440 --> 02:18:26.040
that spot, and that was from
that time right there. Okay, that

2043
02:18:26.200 --> 02:18:31.120
was that day. That's only been
about six weeks ago. That was the

2044
02:18:31.200 --> 02:18:33.360
day after the storm rolled through.
I was up there camping on top.

2045
02:18:35.200 --> 02:18:39.040
And so you got me and the
campfire right there, and I'm sitting there

2046
02:18:39.079 --> 02:18:41.399
and I go over. I stoked
the fire and get it all up and

2047
02:18:41.440 --> 02:18:43.559
ready and everything. And I started
cleaning up the whole area because the previous

2048
02:18:43.559 --> 02:18:48.920
people that camped up there just left
stuff strewed everywhere. So and that's one

2049
02:18:48.959 --> 02:18:50.360
of my things. I'm up there, I clean up. That's a respect

2050
02:18:50.399 --> 02:18:54.879
thing for them, you know,
and they actually recognize that. And I'll

2051
02:18:54.879 --> 02:19:00.479
get back to the camp. The
transit at the spring here in a minute

2052
02:19:00.520 --> 02:19:05.440
after this. But I'm sitting there
and I'm gonna relax against it back to

2053
02:19:05.440 --> 02:19:09.120
the van. And I look over
and I see a tree shake a bush,

2054
02:19:09.479 --> 02:19:11.479
and I hear sounded like the voice
of a young boy. It was

2055
02:19:11.559 --> 02:19:15.760
JJ, the first time you ever
vocalized to me. And he said hi.

2056
02:19:16.520 --> 02:19:18.559
And I imagine he was probably cloaked, you know, because I didn't

2057
02:19:18.559 --> 02:19:22.200
see him, but I can't dismiss
that I heard him say hi, and

2058
02:19:22.280 --> 02:19:26.520
that was it. So I bet
and I said, oh, I'll hang

2059
02:19:26.559 --> 02:19:28.239
here for a while and see what
happens. But you know, like I

2060
02:19:28.239 --> 02:19:33.000
said, they get into the busy
foraging, so they don't always have time

2061
02:19:33.040 --> 02:19:37.040
for me. So but he came
let me know that they're there, which

2062
02:19:37.079 --> 02:19:41.399
I thought was absolutely cool. But
at the pond, I verbally, of

2063
02:19:41.440 --> 02:19:43.920
course, I'm like I said,
I'm out there in the woods talking to

2064
02:19:43.959 --> 02:19:46.440
myself. I'm the nutcase walking around
the woods talking to himself. I told

2065
02:19:46.520 --> 02:19:50.319
him I would, I'll clean this
up next time I'm out here. I'll

2066
02:19:50.319 --> 02:19:54.120
clean up this mess, you know. And if you guys want, that

2067
02:19:54.280 --> 02:19:58.360
transient is like up the road here
camped out somewhere else. Won't you go

2068
02:19:58.360 --> 02:20:01.000
skirt it? You know, don't
hurt them, don't hurt them or anything,

2069
02:20:01.040 --> 02:20:03.799
but you know, kind of scared
of maybe teach them a lesson a

2070
02:20:03.840 --> 02:20:07.319
little bit for leaving messes like this, because this is the only water source

2071
02:20:07.360 --> 02:20:11.520
within miles. You know, this
is the place for those animals to come

2072
02:20:11.559 --> 02:20:16.600
and drink, And for somebody destroying
and leaving such a disaster was just beyond

2073
02:20:16.639 --> 02:20:18.399
me. So the next time I
came up there, I brought a rake,

2074
02:20:18.479 --> 02:20:24.840
I brought bags and everything with every
intention. Well, Barry been there

2075
02:20:24.959 --> 02:20:28.639
by that time, and must have
happened just before I got there. There

2076
02:20:28.680 --> 02:20:33.719
was fresh scat, and I mean
fresh, and he had sprayed everything,

2077
02:20:33.879 --> 02:20:37.239
and oh my god, I just
wanted to hurl. This is just the

2078
02:20:37.280 --> 02:20:43.399
worst musky, nasty Oh And you
can smell a bear in the woods,

2079
02:20:43.440 --> 02:20:46.920
and when you smell a bear there, spray smells the same way. And

2080
02:20:46.959 --> 02:20:52.559
it's the heaviest, nastiest, musky, kind of rotten garbage kind of smell

2081
02:20:52.600 --> 02:20:56.639
you ever smell. Then when it's
fresh in your face, it'll make you

2082
02:20:56.719 --> 02:21:01.719
hurl. So I'm doing all I
can do to from doing that. And

2083
02:21:01.760 --> 02:21:03.799
I started cleaning up all that stuff, and I got got it all cleaned

2084
02:21:03.879 --> 02:21:05.879
up. I even I had to
go up in the woods because the bear

2085
02:21:07.000 --> 02:21:09.799
drug a bunch of stuff up with
that hadn't been done that way before.

2086
02:21:09.840 --> 02:21:13.040
The bear hadn't done any of that. And I could tell the bear had

2087
02:21:13.079 --> 02:21:16.479
been there because the teeth marks and
the fresh cat and he probably just just

2088
02:21:16.639 --> 02:21:20.399
left and probably heard me coming.
Actually, it was probably that close in

2089
02:21:20.520 --> 02:21:24.639
time that he heard me coming up
the road and exited the area because everything

2090
02:21:24.719 --> 02:21:30.280
was that fresh. Well, I
shook myself to everything in the bags.

2091
02:21:30.280 --> 02:21:33.719
As I was tying the last bag
from four different areas, I could hear

2092
02:21:35.200 --> 02:21:41.000
sticks tapping together like they were clapping
for me, but using sticks to do

2093
02:21:41.079 --> 02:21:45.719
it. And that was just the
coolest thing to happen. I'm like,

2094
02:21:45.879 --> 02:21:48.920
am I supposed to take a bow? You're welcome, you know, because

2095
02:21:48.079 --> 02:21:50.559
I promised him I would do it, and I showed him that I would

2096
02:21:50.600 --> 02:21:54.440
do it. So I think that
gained a lot of trust. And I

2097
02:21:54.520 --> 02:21:56.959
think anybody can do the same thing, you know, and have the contacts

2098
02:21:56.959 --> 02:22:01.680
that I'm having. You know,
if you've had more than an accidental road

2099
02:22:01.719 --> 02:22:05.399
crossing, you know that they've actually
come to you to kind of get to

2100
02:22:05.440 --> 02:22:09.319
know you. There's a reason for
it. They will snap a branch or

2101
02:22:09.360 --> 02:22:15.879
do the pop mop up, and
it's not to scare you or anything,

2102
02:22:15.879 --> 02:22:20.639
but to let you know they're there. Simply start talking to them. That's

2103
02:22:20.680 --> 02:22:22.639
all you got to do. Start
talking to them. Act like you're an

2104
02:22:22.639 --> 02:22:26.319
old friend. Hi, how you
doing. I'm okay with you. I'm

2105
02:22:26.360 --> 02:22:28.680
not here to hurt you. You
know. I would love to see you,

2106
02:22:28.680 --> 02:22:33.079
you know, and see what happens. And we're perfect for my partner

2107
02:22:33.120 --> 02:22:37.239
that I'm teaching at work. The
first time, he had a large white

2108
02:22:37.280 --> 02:22:43.639
sasquatch step out in front of the
trees and doing the doing a little teeder

2109
02:22:43.719 --> 02:22:48.600
thing and you know, basically saying
hello because he asked him to. I

2110
02:22:48.639 --> 02:22:50.639
said, it's as simple. So
if you've made a connection with him,

2111
02:22:52.079 --> 02:22:56.159
that's the way to start. And
that's what we call armchair squatches. Just

2112
02:22:58.680 --> 02:23:01.319
such a fascinating story, just your
whole story. You look at the whole

2113
02:23:01.360 --> 02:23:07.760
saying, starting way way back when
you were sixteen, I was terrified thing.

2114
02:23:07.120 --> 02:23:11.920
It's just really cool and I completely
turned around and completely changed and now

2115
02:23:11.959 --> 02:23:16.440
I'm having spending time with them,
and each time is longer and longer.

2116
02:23:16.479 --> 02:23:20.799
The first time was forty five minutes
and the second time was an hour and

2117
02:23:20.879 --> 02:23:26.639
a half. And yes, folks, I crossed the road to the WU

2118
02:23:26.760 --> 02:23:31.239
camp. I was flesh and blood
solid. I've never seen any weirdness happen.

2119
02:23:31.760 --> 02:23:35.319
None of this stuff has ever happened. You. People are crazy.

2120
02:23:35.360 --> 02:23:39.159
The more time you spend with them, the more step they allow you to

2121
02:23:39.239 --> 02:23:43.399
see and just go with it.
It's okay, you know you'll figure it

2122
02:23:43.399 --> 02:23:46.479
out later. But it's the coolest
thing in the world. It really is.

2123
02:23:46.760 --> 02:23:48.959
It is amazing, and it's just
going to get better and better.

2124
02:23:50.440 --> 02:23:56.520
Thank you for sharing your story,
Bill is having definitely a lot of listeners

2125
02:23:56.559 --> 02:24:00.559
need to realize that a lot of
these interviews, a lot of them take

2126
02:24:00.600 --> 02:24:03.079
a long time to set up and
to wait for them to happen. So

2127
02:24:03.399 --> 02:24:05.520
there's a lot of work that goes
into it, for sure, But it

2128
02:24:05.600 --> 02:24:09.200
was worth it waiting to talk to
you, Bill. How can people keep

2129
02:24:09.280 --> 02:24:15.639
up to date with what's going on
with you? Or can they contact you

2130
02:24:15.680 --> 02:24:20.159
if they have well encounters to report
an oregan or the easiest way to find

2131
02:24:20.239 --> 02:24:26.520
me is on Facebook? Okay,
cool. I've actually pretty much kept a

2132
02:24:26.559 --> 02:24:31.520
low profile until now and pretty much. Only the researchers knew who I was.

2133
02:24:31.600 --> 02:24:35.319
Ken Garhartz like my little brother,
you know, Alex, Alex,

2134
02:24:35.120 --> 02:24:39.280
Doug Hycheck. They all know who
I am. You know, everybody knows.

2135
02:24:39.639 --> 02:24:43.840
Adam Davies sent me an invite from
he was somewhere up in the Arctic

2136
02:24:43.399 --> 02:24:48.239
somewhere. And when Adam sent me
an invite, you know, to be

2137
02:24:48.360 --> 02:24:50.399
on his friends. Listen, Adam
when all of them I'm you know,

2138
02:24:50.440 --> 02:24:54.079
the she Squatchers. They're all good
friends, and they've known about a lot

2139
02:24:54.120 --> 02:24:56.680
of my stuff, but I've kept
a low profile because I didn't want to

2140
02:24:56.680 --> 02:25:01.440
be public about things. But now
this kind of my clan is they're kind

2141
02:25:01.440 --> 02:25:05.879
of pushing me. They want me
to put their story out there because they

2142
02:25:05.879 --> 02:25:09.360
want people to know that they're not
some big, scary creature. So the

2143
02:25:09.399 --> 02:25:13.760
easiest way because I was a horse
trainer for twenty years and I was everything

2144
02:25:13.920 --> 02:25:18.440
completely natural horsemanship all the way,
no force, no nothing, and I

2145
02:25:18.479 --> 02:25:22.040
had amazing results. So that what
killed my business was the economy with the

2146
02:25:22.079 --> 02:25:26.399
first crash, when the housing market
everything went down. My haybailt went from

2147
02:25:26.440 --> 02:25:31.280
two dollars apiece to eighteen fifty yas
was over went over. That was the

2148
02:25:31.280 --> 02:25:35.760
first time it shot over four dollars
a gallon and I had to give everything

2149
02:25:35.799 --> 02:25:39.360
up. I gave away a half
million dollars worth of horses, absolutely gave

2150
02:25:39.440 --> 02:25:43.680
them away. And so you can
find me under Mustang or Bill. That's

2151
02:25:43.719 --> 02:25:46.600
the easiest way to put in your
search. It'll come up. You'll see

2152
02:25:46.639 --> 02:25:52.520
me. And I'm in Willow Creek
with one of the famous Bigfoot statues and

2153
02:25:52.600 --> 02:25:56.559
the Willow Creek. I went there
for my birthday this year because I'd never

2154
02:25:56.600 --> 02:26:01.600
been there. I was very unfortunately, I was very disappointed and how everything

2155
02:26:01.719 --> 02:26:07.319
has degraded. It's still savable if
somebody, some entrepreneur went in and said,

2156
02:26:07.319 --> 02:26:11.120
hey, you know, we're gonna
put the money out, let's fix

2157
02:26:11.159 --> 02:26:15.040
this. We can stabilize all the
wood carvings, because that can all still

2158
02:26:15.040 --> 02:26:16.559
be fixed. I'm a carpenter,
so I know that can be fixed.

2159
02:26:18.040 --> 02:26:20.920
And fix these places up, because
that's what put that place on the map

2160
02:26:22.440 --> 02:26:26.799
with Sasquatch. Nois sands or butts. The only thing that is in good

2161
02:26:26.879 --> 02:26:30.959
shape there is the hardware store,
the painting on the hardware store with all

2162
02:26:31.000 --> 02:26:35.879
the bigfoots doing working with the natives
and everything that beautiful iconic piece is Christine.

2163
02:26:37.040 --> 02:26:39.479
It looks wonderful. They've done.
They've done a great job. I

2164
02:26:39.520 --> 02:26:43.040
went into the hardware store and check
it out, and like, well,

2165
02:26:43.079 --> 02:26:46.200
there's no Bigfoot stuff in here,
but it's all on the outside pretty cool.

2166
02:26:46.200 --> 02:26:48.760
It's out really Steve Little Hill to
get up into there, too,

2167
02:26:48.319 --> 02:26:54.000
But I went and checked everything out. Unfortunately, the bookstore, which I

2168
02:26:54.159 --> 02:26:56.959
understand Steven's moving out of there,
but I think a Jeff one would probably

2169
02:26:56.959 --> 02:27:00.799
blow it to the ground, just
a lot of stuff. Unfortunately, I

2170
02:27:00.840 --> 02:27:05.159
couldn't go out to Bluff Creek itself
because there was a big sinkhole that happened

2171
02:27:05.280 --> 02:27:09.120
at the time, just happened probably
days before I got there, and so

2172
02:27:09.239 --> 02:27:11.959
they had the road kind of blocked
off. So I didn't make it out

2173
02:27:11.959 --> 02:27:15.520
there one of my next trips,
because I have other people that are out

2174
02:27:15.559 --> 02:27:18.360
there right now that are there at
Bluff Bluff Creek and they're camping right now

2175
02:27:18.360 --> 02:27:22.040
at this moment, and it was
some of the researchers I was just with

2176
02:27:22.879 --> 02:27:26.120
and which I love. Beachfoot.
You got to come, Jeremiah, absolutely,

2177
02:27:26.120 --> 02:27:28.799
you got to come. Come do
interviews with all of us. I've

2178
02:27:28.840 --> 02:27:33.920
had an invite for a few years
and so get a hold of Todd.

2179
02:27:33.079 --> 02:27:37.280
Hold On, I want to go
get your butt there, Bill, hold

2180
02:27:37.280 --> 02:27:41.319
On, I'm going to talk to
listener for a second. Okay, listener,

2181
02:27:41.440 --> 02:27:45.600
here's the thing. I have these
invites to go to places like Beachfoot,

2182
02:27:45.760 --> 02:27:50.399
but I can't because hey, nine
to five, right. The cool

2183
02:27:50.440 --> 02:27:54.559
thing is that, you know,
there's the goal of going full time with

2184
02:27:54.600 --> 02:27:58.399
Bigfoot Society. I'm thirty nine percent
of the way there. Yeah, I

2185
02:27:58.399 --> 02:28:01.559
saw that. Congratulations. Thank you
listeners. If you want to jump on

2186
02:28:01.600 --> 02:28:05.840
the train and help me get there. This gets me to places like Beachfoot

2187
02:28:05.879 --> 02:28:11.879
where I can interview people in person
and like it can Sunday and he can

2188
02:28:11.879 --> 02:28:16.040
write it off because it is part
of the show. That's what makes it

2189
02:28:16.159 --> 02:28:18.920
happen to him. That's what makes
it happen. Someday I will get out

2190
02:28:18.959 --> 02:28:22.799
there because I have to meet Kip. You know. So he's so elusive.

2191
02:28:24.360 --> 02:28:26.319
He's the most elusive crypt of there
is on the planet. Like I

2192
02:28:26.319 --> 02:28:31.559
said, I've seen eight sasquatches,
Daryl kipps Now I finally got one Kip,

2193
02:28:31.600 --> 02:28:35.280
and I actually have a photograph to
prove it. Bill. It's been

2194
02:28:35.360 --> 02:28:37.879
so much fun chat mustanger. Bill, that's where you can find it on

2195
02:28:37.920 --> 02:28:43.000
Facebook. I've opened up. I
have four hundred fans now on there.

2196
02:28:43.559 --> 02:28:46.360
Yeah, that's just from the book. And as a matter of fact,

2197
02:28:46.360 --> 02:28:48.600
people started to recognizing me a couple
of years ago at Squatch Fest. I

2198
02:28:48.680 --> 02:28:52.319
was with Ken Gerhard and King kind
of looked at me like because I was

2199
02:28:52.360 --> 02:28:56.319
taken away from his glory at the
time. We recognize you what you do

2200
02:28:56.680 --> 02:29:01.399
from what I forgot. I was
even in the book from face to face.

2201
02:29:01.479 --> 02:29:05.600
Oh okay, okay, this is
one of an amazing stories, Broll.

2202
02:29:05.760 --> 02:29:07.639
You know, thanks have changed.
I'll have to check that book out.

2203
02:29:09.280 --> 02:29:13.479
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, but
well it was great. I'm glad

2204
02:29:13.479 --> 02:29:16.559
we finally got to catch up.
Yeah. Maybe you'll have me again sometime

2205
02:29:16.600 --> 02:29:18.159
and we'll talk about a little more
of what's been going on in my ear.

2206
02:29:18.319 --> 02:29:20.920
You got it, well, Bill, thanks so much for coming on.

2207
02:29:22.040 --> 02:29:24.440
I appreciate it. And oh wait
here, it's almost three hours four

2208
02:29:24.520 --> 02:29:28.440
Well, this is honestly a record
and it'll probably be a two part episode.

2209
02:29:28.440 --> 02:29:31.799
But thanks so much, Bill,
Jeff, I have a great day.

2210
02:29:33.479 --> 02:29:37.840
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2211
02:29:37.520 --> 02:29:41.360
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Share the show with a friend.
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or oh someone who has, please
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gmail dot com or pass on my
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I'm going to use this space this
week to announce that I'll be at

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the Sasquatch Summerfest and Oakridge organ as
an atender. I won't be presenting or

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anything, but I'll be hanging out
trying to interview people that have had bigfoot

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counters. If you're from the Oakridge, Oregon area or surrounding and you've had

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a bigfoot experience, please contact me
directly Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

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Also, Priscilla was nice enough that
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dot com and use code Bigfoot Society, you can get fifty percent off the

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cost of your tickets, which is
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to get fifty percent off your tickets
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podcast as well. A special thank
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YouTube channel members. It's your support
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extremely appreciate it. You want to
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over at patreon dot com forward slash
the big Foot Society. I'll see you

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there, and again, thanks for
listening. Her and I can get out

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here, we can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening

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it's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give them the courage

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to come out. And I feel
so bad about it. Who cares what

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anybody's thinks. I know what I
saw, I know what's out there.

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That's all I care. Please let
people know, Please let them know.

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If you ever see one of these
things, you need to tell because if

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you don't, then shame on you, you know, shame on you,