"Sasquatch Fought a Bear and I Found the Body” | Oregon Bigfoot Encounters

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And one of the questions I had
in my mind is how they can hide

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in plain sight. So he showed
me exactly how he does it. And

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by this time I stood, I've
read my eyes three different times and looked

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at this I'm going. After the
third time, I go, oh,

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you're here. That's you. I
was like, cool. His hair has

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gone from just the black is black. You ever saw two silver? And

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what's strange about it is it is
silver like three quarters of the way down

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and then the last little quarter is
black still, so you get to kind

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of a salt and pepper kind of
effect. But he sat there, he

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kind of down on his haunches,
like like an eight sits, you know,

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just kind of like on their heels. In this episode of Big Society,

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I have a conversation with Miss William
Morris from the Southwest Corner of Oregon.

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Bill describes himself as a colleague of
mister Tom Cantrell and a individual on

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the woo side. Sit back,
relax, and enjoy this episode, which

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is currently the longest ever recorded for
Bigfoot Society, as Bill recounts his multiple

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encounters that have happened to him over
the years. In the Southwest Corner of

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Oregon. Please take a minute to
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All right, Bigey, You've got
the privilege of talking with mister Bill

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Morris from out in Douglas County,
Oregon. Today. How's it going,

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Bill? Going good? Actually I'm
in Jackson County now, all right,

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my sidings happened in Douglas County,
though I'm gonna start over. But that's

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that's perfect for the Patreon. They're
gonna be like you awesome dude. Okay,

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this always happened, all right,
three two one, all right,

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Big Faciety, We've got the privilege
of talking to mister Bill Morris today.

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He's out there in Oregon and he's
had some crazy encounters with Bigfoot over the

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year. But uh, how's it
going today? Bill? Going great?

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Potter and firecracker outside but not too
bad inside. I hear you. I'm

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I'm I'm there with you a little
bit out here in Iowa, and we're

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we're a little bit humid, but
I think you got us beat out here

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from what it uh from what you
said before the show started. But so

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Bill, you've sent you know,
let's let's get we'll start to get into

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it. You've sent me an email, and there's a lot that you've experienced

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over the years, and it's very
very interesting the things that are going on

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in uh in Oregon for you.
But I would love to to start first.

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Let's hear a little bit of your
backstory. What is it that first

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got you interested in the big Foot
phenomenon to begin with? Well, as

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far as interest, I actually wasn't
interested to begin with. I didn't really

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believe in the whole existence of the
creature. I've heard my uncle talk about

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it. He was a logger here
in the Roseberg area in Douglas County.

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But I've read I think it was
on the track of big Foot. I

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think I was a Peter Burn book
when I was a kid, and I

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took it all with a grain of
salt, and even after my first encounter,

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because my mind actually turned into something
different because I couldn't hardly rationalize what

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I actually saw. But when I
had my second encounter, which was face

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to face, I could reach out
and touch it. That's how close we

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were. That kind of changed things. And I just actually tried to bury

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it for most of my life,
all the sightings that I'd had, and

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then I started looking at once I
was able to get it off my chest

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and started with a big Foot and
Bruce over in ben where I met Keim

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Gerhard clip Berkman, Mark Marcelle,
you know, all the all the big

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names. Actually, Mark was the
first one other than my mother that I

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ever talked to about my signing.
Wow, what year was that, Bill?

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Oh gosh, it was like think
it was twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen.

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That is a really really cool that
one of the first people that you

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talked to was Mark marcell What a
nice guy. I've met him a few

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times. Such a good guy.
He's a fabulous guy, such a big

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I had no idea who he was. We're standing out of the curb and

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I said, well, yeah,
I had this face to face. No,

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it was the one I focused on
because that's the one that terrified me

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the most. And I told Mark
my story and just by telling a stranger,

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because I had no clue who Mark
Marcelle was, I didn't know anything

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about eight Canyon or any of the
stuff going on there. And so we

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talked about that a little bit,
and it was liberating get it off my

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shoulders. Secret, a secret that
I kept inside me for thirty eight years.

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Oh my goodness. Yeah, and
that was that was hard. Even

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my mother and I she experienced two
of my sightings with me, and or

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at least an experience as one experienced
one sighting. We've never really talked about

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it much. I just buried it. Even my soulmate who passed away twenty

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six and a half almost twenty seven
years ago, I don't think I ever

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told her. Wow, And that's
one of my just been a really deep

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secret. Bill talk for a little
bit about what it's like. How does

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it affect you when you've been holding
on to something like that for so long

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and you're finally able to get it
out they're in the open. What does

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that do to as a person?
Why is it important for listening too?

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I'm getting chills right now actually for
even thinking about it. It was just

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absolutely liberating. It was just so
much of a thing off my shoulders,

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you know, because it was so
traumatizing, especially my second encounter when I

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was face to face, you know, I had no idea. My complete

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attitude towards the creatures is completely different. Now it's one hundred and eighty degrees.

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I have no fear of them,
and that's probably why I'm able to

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spend time with him. And but
yeah, just being able to talk about

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it, and the more I talked
about it, and that's part of the

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reason, you know it's taken you
and I a year kind of to get

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to this point, is because I'm
still was in that process of being able

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to talk about it, because you
know, it brings back some of the

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trauma, and it's just holding that
in for so long as nobody needs to

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hold that in, you need to
find somebody to talk to. And that

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was the reason I went over there, was to get this off my mind.

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And I never planned on being a
researcher, and all just kind of

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happened because I was actually calling BS
on somebody and their technique and it actually

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worked the first time out, yeah, which was signing number five, which

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kind of blew my mind. And
now he and I are just the best

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of friends. A matter of fact, I just spent a couple of days

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with him up in Enan Claude,
Washington, and that would be mister Tom

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Cantroll gotually and actually first day I
was out with Tom, I felt,

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Prince, oh, wow, can
you tell me a little bit about that.

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We had breakfast at a great little
restaurant called Charlie's that they had there

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at En and Claude best breakfast at
Lunches, and he's like, well,

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you want to go for a ride, will's do it? So we hit

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it up. I don't know,
I'm sure you know who Barbing Gabby was.

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Barb has a site at their Barb
shoot, and we went up to

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where her campsite was. A matter
of fact, she had a camp out

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there just a couple of days after
we'd been there, and Tom would just

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showing me around and he says,
well, you know, he pulled up.

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There's a little spur road just off
above the campsite. He says,

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go tell me what you see.
So I walk out there and I'm kind

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of looking around. I look over
to my right and I see this nice

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arch tree that goes over the creek, but off on the left side.

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As I was facing it, you
could see that it was weaved in the

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whole archway and to hold the archway
over this little creek. I'm like,

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oh, that's pretty cool. Well, I got cooler stuff than my area,

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but that's okay. And I looked
at my left and I see this

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freshly snapped tree. It was snapped
about four feet up and this thing was

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probably i would say, eleven inches
in diameter, just a typical snap that

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they do. It almost looks like
they're cut, but they're not. And

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I'm looking at that, and I'm
looking around. I look up and I

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see just this big archway through the
woods of a Bobo would call a Sasquatch

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highway, and I'm going, wow, cool spot. Nice And I look

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down and I find three prints and
they were all about ten inches by about

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three and a half. So I
figured they're probably juvenile. And I was

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not expecting to find it. And
guess where my hydrocal is at home?

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Because I was on vacation. I
wasn't expecting to go squashing. I'm like,

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Tom, I found ze prints there. Check out this picture you see

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Toes He's like, oh, yeah, that's wild, that's wild, And

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so was it. How far away
we're the you know, being a juvenile

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print? How far were the prints
away from each other? And it's kind

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of curious about it. Well,
this one that it wasn't really walking it

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was kind of staggered right there,
so because there's there's a big ravine that

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goes down in a little waterway that
comes down, so it was kind of

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staggering. Look. I think it
was kind of looking for a spot to

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step down into the ravine and continue
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they were only I would say one
was probably about twenty inches from the other.

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Then the other one was fairly close
that like it stood there and was

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just getting ready to step off over
the side. Interesting it always happens on

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vaca, right. I'm almost scared
to go on vacation next. He was

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going to happen. My son and
I in April. We were he was

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coming down up from California for a
wedding and I took him out to my

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area and we found a trackway,
well probably four hundred plus prints at least

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of my four clan members of the
one that I study. And I left

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the winds cap on the camera when
I was filming the trackway and we were

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running out of time because we had
a dinner to do. You know,

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it's always the last minute thing that
just blows everything, you know. It's

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like I said, I blew the
whole track. Where are you kidding me?

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You know, at seventy two degrees, they're melting down, you know,

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And it was as far as the
eye could see. It was just

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Oh, I just kicked myself all
day. So the next morning we went

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up and refilmed it before we headed
up to Eugene for a wedding at the

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World one of his best friends.
So each time, though, I was

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we were pressed for time so I
could really get the documentation and it just

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killed me because to blow that one
was just I just keep kicking myself over

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it. It's something it's a hard
lesson to learn, for sure. I've

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I haven't done anything like that,
but we did. That's just me.

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Yeah, I mean I've had stuff
happen and we didn't have the audio recorder

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going and next time that'll never happen
again. So I kind of get it.

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But a trackway is kind of a
different animal. But Bill, tell,

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take me back to the time when
you first experienced something related to Bigfoot

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and what was that, what was
that first encountered, Like what point in

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your life did that happen? Well, for what I know now, I

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actually had a lot of different signs
here and there throughout my life because I've

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spent I spend so much time in
the woods. You know, I think

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I sometimes spend more time in the
woods than I do in society. It's

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just my place to get my zen. Well, I was sixteen years old

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and with my first visual encounter,
and I had a hard time getting people

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to go hunting. You know.
They would say, oh, yeah,

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I'll be there, I'll see you
like three thirty in the morning, and

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there comes three thirty, there comes
four thirty, five thirty. I finally

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got tired of it, and it's
like, you know, what, if

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it's going to happen, I just
got to do it for myself. So

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I lived on a ranch called the
s Diamond Ranch in Myrtle Creek could say

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a sheep ranch working sheep ranch at
the time. It was owned by Mike

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and Levine Airwood, and they were
good family friends. Mike was a Air

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Force pilot. He also owned the
airport in Tri City, Oregon, which

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is an extension of Myrtle Creek,
and he was teaching me to fly at

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the time. But right behind the
trailer where we live, we're up on

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a little rise above the roadway,
and they had just kind of cut the

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bank back and leveled things out to
put this mobile home in there. And

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so just off the cut bank,
I would climb up that and just go

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up over the hill because I had
permission to hunt. And there's a little

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gate there, but they never never
completed a roadway through there. So I

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go through the gate on to the
other side of the property. It's,

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oh, this is over five hundred
acres the property, so it's basically three

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quarters of a square mile, so
plenty of room to hunt on. And

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I got through the gate, which
is in the wooded area directly behind my

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place, and it's only maybe I
would say eighty yards from the cut bank

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to where I could hit this little
grassy road. The road is installed on

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the other side, but it was
never really completed. It just stopped right

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there at the gate. And so
I come to the gate. I get

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about I would say, maybe twenty
yards down from the gate, which is

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clear. I could see it from
if you were on the other side.

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You could see me at the top. And I saw some movement to my

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left and I looked at it,
and I'm carrying a old lever action Winchester

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forty four octagon barrel just a beautiful
piece of equipment, and I'm looking at

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this saying, I'm going, what
the heck am I seeing? It kind

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of looked like a rabbit. And
that's how my mind actually rationalized what I

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saw a giant rabbit. Kim Gerhard, Kim Gerhard, I will tell you

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this. He's I said, Jim, you ever seen anybody could see anything

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about a giant rabbit? Because it
took years. Actually only that man.

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He just kind of unlocked for me
about a year and a half ago because

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I had buried it so deeply,
you know that I didn't want to I

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didn't want to rationalize. What I
actually saw was a sasquatch. But it

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had his back legs check behind it, just like a rabbit sitting at rest

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and with his arms down in check
back in. And he was just down,

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hunkered down, trying to be invisible. But if it hadn't been for

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that little movement he made, I
would have never seen him. I would

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have never noticed him. Because when
we're out hunting, we're looking for the

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ears the deer. They would do
this because the bucks, they can't help

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themselves as they're dead, giveaway.
So it's really easy to find a deer

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laying down or kind of bed it
down. You just look for that ear

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movement. And but I stared at
this, saying it was tricolored, which

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you know, I've had rabbits that
were actually colored like this, so that's

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why my mind went to that.
And it was a black, dark brown

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and red, and the brown and
reddish was kind of splotch us through throughout

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its coat. And I stared at
it for probably about two minutes, and

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then it took a dive into the
woods and I never heard a sound.

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I never heard it the land.
I never heard it lead the exit the

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area or anything. It was just
vanished. And but what I remember is

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when it took that dive, it
did like a Superman dive. I saw

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hands extended out in front of them, like rabbit stone have hands. So

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you know, my my brain just
completely just tucked out a way. I

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never even told my mom that story, you know, because I just didn't

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know what I saw. I just
couldn't figure out, and my brain was

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going, nah, you know,
it was a rabbit. It was giant.

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No giant rabbit stone exists, well
this one did, so you know,

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that's where that one stood. And
that was I just kind of stood

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there and kind of looked and kind
of looked around, and I walked over

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to work dove into and I never
saw another sign of this thing, never

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heard another sound. So and that
was the end of that one. Oh.

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I just kind of forgot about that
one and went on with life.

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I have at least one question that
is so fascinating, and I can't I'm

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trying to put myself in my frame
of mind of when I was sixteen,

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how I was thinking I can't do
it. I was so different minded,

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okay, very open minded, you
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I think that's maybe why they chose
me to begin with, Because I think

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they choose you. You're you don't
just things don't happen by happenstance. They

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I think they feel that you're open
minded and maybe, hey, maybe we'll

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take a chance on this human.
You know, some people have talked to

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me saying that if you're in listeners, be along for the ride. It's

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here we go, guys, It's
gonna be fun. Um. What,

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sometimes when you are going to look
for them, you may want to have

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a certain positive intention in your mind
to make it clear to them that everything's

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okay, and things of that nature, so that there's not a negative intention

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when you're going out to the area, because supposed supposedly they can know before

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you even get there. I think
they can read your mind like an open

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book. They can read you very
clear. And that's that's the experiences I'm

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happy now, is that you can't
hide anything from them, you know,

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and if you're out there with any
kind of ill intentions, you'll never see

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one being in on trees called blasting. That just makes me laugh. You

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don't. First of all, you
don't know what you're broadcast team when you're

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call blasting some other sasquatches called,
they could be saying, get over here,

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I'm going to whoop your booty.
You know, you just don't know.

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I don't want nothing to do with
that. I don't want some rageing

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sasquatch coming at me ready to kill
me, you know, because if they

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wanted to, it would not be
a problem. If you it's the size

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of them that's really scary. And
most people's encounters that they're terrified because you

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know, we grew up in a
society where there's monsters, you know,

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I grew up with you know,
all these uh you see the in search

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of and everything else, and you
grew up with that, you know,

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good old in our emoy. I
love those. I love the horror things.

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I loved all types of horror movies. I used to watch stuff.

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I couldn't wait to get home so
I could watch a horror show of some

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sort. But you know, we
have that in our mind and they just

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look scary, but they're actually quite
gentle. I found out. And I

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had to change my mindset because I
was actually listening to a podcast one day

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and somebody made the statement was they
never tried to hurt me, And that

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stuck in my mind, just solid, and I got to thinking about that,

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and I dwelled on that for months. And what you know what,

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even when I was face to face, he was never aggressive one where in

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any way, shape or form.
And every encounter I had was not aggressive.

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A matter of fact, my fourth
encounter, I felt it was telling

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me goodbye for now, because it
was leaving and I didn't have another encounter

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for you know, over thirty years, so because I wasn't ready, I

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think they were actually waiting till I
was ready. It's very interesting and I

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think there's there's something to be said
of that, you know, just in

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the fact that when we're going through
life, certain time periods in our lives

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when we might be focused on certain
things and definitely not be being able to

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see the weird stuff that's happening in
life. But there's some other points where

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you get to be you're taking things
a little bit more easy. You're not

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rushing, you're noticing things in nature. You're going out in nature to begin

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with, and then you start to
see and most of your sightings, you

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say you said in your email,
happen around a certain area. Now,

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I'll leave it up to you if
I don't know if what you shared in

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that email was public, But is
that anything that you can share for context

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wise or absolutely? I can get
right into the second side. An all

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right, cool, they don't they
all happen? Uh? Well, I

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lived to Myrtle Creek, I said. I was on the s Diamond Ranch,

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which was three and a half miles
from town. The ranch was and

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where they started the mileage markers at
an area called the y. It's where

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a roadway South Myrtle you come down
through town past the schools and go straight

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on out that becomes South Myrtle and
you take a left and that brings you

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on the North Myrtle, and I
think the mild marker starts there rather than

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any place else. And but and
there was a market there called the super

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Y Market. So that's you know, pretty much where the y came from.

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I would imagine I don't know the
full story on it. It doesn't

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exist any longer, so that's the
unfortunate part. I knew the owners of

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it very well, grew up with
them, and I went to all the

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schools there. So we'll just say
this was in either the last week of

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May or the first week of June, which by sighting number two, my

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mom and I had gotten in a
bit of an argument. I was a

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teenager. I was seventeen. I
had just turned seventeen at March. And

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this was after my first sighting when
I was sixteen, and this is a

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nineteen eighty one. And so to
cool off, I walked to town.

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I walked everywhere. I had fourteen
cars. I owned fourteen cars at that

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point in time. I used to
buy a self, fix them up,

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sell them. You know. It
helped the family out with money in plus

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ifness that's all at the time was
under the table money, so it didn't

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affect anything my mom had going on. And so I walked to town.

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I ended up at some old apartments
where you used to live in called Clearwater

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Manor. They're on Johnson Street,
Mortal Creek, and I was visiting some

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friends there and actually it was actually
approached by a skunk that evening out there,

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and I was actually trying to coax
it into pettit. That's how I

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am with nature. I mean,
I've petted wild deer elk in the field

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because I understand the prey and the
mentality of them, you know, and

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how they act and how they interact, especially when I was I've trained dogs,

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horses, sheep, lama's gals.
I've done all kinds of interesting things

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and people have called me, Hey, Bill, you want to teach my

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animals to do this. Let me
get back to you. Let me.

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Yeah, I'll do it. Let
me give it a try. What the

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heck, it's no experience. But
anyways, as we were talking to I

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was talking to friends there, which
the creek runs right behind the place,

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North Myrtle Creek Desk. Actually,
I think it's just Myrtle Creek because I

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think by then both creeks have already
come together at a different point, and

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it's about eleven o'clock at night.
They're all ready to go to bed.

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So I'm like, okay, well, you know, I'm gonna head for

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home. I'm all calm now,
I'm you know, uh, you know,

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it's amazing would have walked us for
you. But there's a little bridge

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right there, the cross to the
creek. Can I crossed that, crossed

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over that bridge, and the first
strangeness started. Then I heard like something

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was in the wa walking underneath the
bridge. You know, you get as

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you're moving your legs through, you
get that air the air pocket behind your

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legs and gives a cavitation sound.
And I heard that. I'm like,

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boy, that's very strange. The
heck would be in a creek in the

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middle of the night. And I
smelled something I've never smelled before. It

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was like a combination, and I've
heard other people described it the exact same

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way, which was like wet dog
a skunk smell, but not quite a

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skunk, you know, it was
different than a skunk, but in that

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same type of category. And rotted
meat or a rotted flesh of some sort,

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just a combination of all of one. I was like, boy,

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you know, so many needs to
take out the garbage, because something was

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pretty bad. So I'm like,
I'm just kind of shrugged it off and

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kept walking. I have to go
down the street, angle left and come

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back up, and that's where you
hit the Superwy. But you have to

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cross the creek on another bridge,
and the same sound when I cross that

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spot, and the same smell.
And there was a little trail that ran

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up behind the market, which was
kind of a shortcut. Comes behind the

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store. Then I can get across
the park and a lot saves me from

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because when you get up to why, there's really no place to walk,

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you know, I mean, you
end up getting run over if you're not

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careful. So I took the shortcut
up and over and just started hit it

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for home, and I was calling
them now a better frame of mind,

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So I'm walking. I get up
just past the one mile post. And

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the worst part of this was is
my last wife that I was married to.

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You could where we lived, you
could look right at the one mile

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post. So that brought a lot
of it back. But I got over.

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I was fine with it by that
point and I just passed that,

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and I heard four and not only
just heard them, but felt them.

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There was a three foot difference between
where the road was and where this was

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walking. And I heard four footsteps, and I heard him and fell to

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them. They were very loud and
very powerful steps. I thought, oh,

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maybe somebody's horse or cow got loose. And on the fourth step,

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I looked at my right and it
was right there. I could reach out

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and touch it without even straight straightening
my arm all the way as far as

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full extension goes, and all I
can see is and this is what I

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tell people, their eyes are self
illuminating. A matter of fact, we

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just brought Todd nice onto our side
because somebody else demonstrated to him that in

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the dark they first of all,
that they can call sasquatches out every day.

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They called him out every day to
him for five days to prove it

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to it blew his mind. Then
the eye glow they called. Everybody calls

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it an eyeshine. But when there's
no light around and it's completely dark and

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they're illuminated in the dark, that
it makes him self illuminating. And this

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sasquatch eyes were green. And the
biggest thing that about stopped my heart and

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it hit me like I understood the
phrase a bolt of fear, because it

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was instant. I could not move, but it was you know, the

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eyes were you know, almost twice
as white as mine. And I'm like,

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what is this thing? And they
were glowing green and it was it

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was a really cool color of green. Tub by the way, and I

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just stood there and stared. I
could not move. I do remember running

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through my head the phrase feet don't
fail me now, and then I was

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a little upset at my feet because
they did not work. Nothing worked.

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I could not move. We stared
at each other face to face. I

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could see, you know, everybody
says, you know, got the conical

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head, you know, and that
this one's not quite asked conical. It

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had a little bit of rise to
the top of the head, but not

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like you know some are, and
I could just see that line. It

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was very dark. I could see
the shoulders, which really terrified me.

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This thing was four feet white and
just thick and barely and I'm just focused

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on the ice and just staring at
each other and I could not move.

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I tried and nothing worked. I
was just frozen. I think people are

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calling it zapped of some sort.
And then after about two minutes, it

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just turned and walked away, and
it took three steps and I never heard

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just like the first one, never
heard another sound, not another noise,

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nothing. I probably stood there probably
for another two or three minutes because I

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was just my mind was like,
what just happened? That was a sasquatch

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And there was no sands or butts
about it. They're not supposed to exist.

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So I'm focused on that spot where
it was. I started walking backwards

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back Georgetown and then jogging backwards,
then turned and I probably did that mile

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us where it was in thirty seconds. It was fast. I never run

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so fast in my life. And
I got up to the store there of

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the Super Why and put myself dead
center. It kind of had a lower

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brick wall around the thing, and
I just felt a little safer there and

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I was just cowering like a scared
little child. And there was a payphone

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right there, and I didn't have
any change, but we used to click

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on the receiver part, you know, and that was kind of a signal

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at home, you know, if
you didn't have any money that, you

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know, and you got that call. But there was nothing there and you

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00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.480
heard the clicks, you know that
something's going on. Well, there was

408
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:33.400
only two pay phones in town.
One was downtown and one was right there,

409
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:36.559
so it was really easy to find
me. My mom could flying into

410
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:41.240
town, turned around and I jumped
into the car and said, tive now

411
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:48.200
cool. And she looked at me
and she's like, if anybody asked what

412
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.640
I looked like when it happened,
she said, Bill was white And she

413
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.160
said Bill's not white, you know, because I'm I had my dad was

414
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:59.759
Native Americans, so all in complected
skin, and I was just white as

415
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:03.039
a sheet. And when we got
close to that point, I'm just telling

416
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:06.400
her to where the siding was,
I said, Florid. She says,

417
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:07.680
well, you tell me what's going
on. I said, I just saw

418
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:14.839
a big foot. I said,
it just I was so terrified because it

419
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:18.519
was just out of the blue,
unexpected. Of course, they're always unexpected.

420
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:23.160
It's not a planned event. And
uh oh, it just it took

421
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:29.480
me days to just calm myself after
that because it was just it just blew

422
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:32.559
my mind, absolutely blew my mind. I didn't believe in them, even

423
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:36.000
after deciding I had before, but
that was a giant rabbit, remember,

424
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:42.200
so I didn't associate it. I
still didn't associate it as being a sasquatch

425
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:45.839
all these years until about a year
and a half ago, is when that

426
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:48.960
memory finally unlocked the rest of the
way and I went, WHOA wait a

427
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:55.519
minute, this had been going on
before that siding, So but yeah,

428
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:59.559
it was was it was something else, I'll tell you. So I was

429
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:02.599
gonna ask you. So your first
sighting was aged sixteen, then you had

430
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:07.000
a year and a half until this. No, no, actually it was

431
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:12.319
only months. Oh sorry. It
started in October nineteen eighty one, which

432
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:15.000
was the hunting season, so I
knew that event and that's what I was

433
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:20.240
hunting solo. And then the next
one was May of the next year,

434
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:23.079
so it was only like seven or
eight months later, or nine months however

435
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:27.640
many months it was. So the
second one hits you, and did you

436
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:31.759
experience anything like infrasound when you were
that close to that creature the second time?

437
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:35.279
I mean, like, the only
thing I could say is I couldn't

438
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:37.480
move, no matter what, no
matter what I tried to do, I

439
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:43.799
could not move. I was absolutely
frozen in place. And like I said,

440
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:45.240
I told my feet, feet don't
fail me now, like dad of

441
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:51.759
your work in Lisbon, I wanted
them to work so bad, but they

442
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:54.440
wouldn't. I couldn't do anything.
I could not move an inch. I

443
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:59.759
was just frozen. I want to
point out so I do have a few

444
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:06.000
younger listeners, and you want to
point out the thing that you said about

445
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:10.799
the pay phone. So you gotta
remember, guys the early eighties, we

446
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:15.480
didn't have cell phones on us all
the time, and you had this like

447
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:20.799
telephone in the middle of town on
a pole and you had to use quarters

448
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:24.880
to make or dimes or whatever to
make a phone call there of those it's

449
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:31.640
rotary, it old, but you
like clicking it a few times, and

450
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:35.200
that was your co to your mom. That's pretty cool. That's some of

451
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.640
stranger things stuff. If you ever
said that show, yeah, because they

452
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:40.240
could they could hear that click in
the background, so it was like,

453
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:44.400
oh, ding ding ding, Okay, I'm needed. So what was cool

454
00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:46.599
is there's only two in towns.
It was pretty easy to find, so

455
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:52.160
smart. You mentioned another thing that
kind of set off a bell in my

456
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:59.200
head. You mentioned your your father, uh was Native American. Do you

457
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:06.559
think having that relation plays into this
at all or you know, you said,

458
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:10.000
how you're really connected to nature,
connected to animals. Have you ever

459
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:15.039
thought of that before. I think
it's more of the open mindedness and me

460
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:20.199
being connected to nature and being very
observant when I'm out there, you know,

461
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:23.840
because I'm I'm kind of a and
I can tell you at the time

462
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:28.480
when I had my face to face
with him, I was bodybuilding. I

463
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:30.400
was a big dude. I'm still
a big dude, you know I'm not

464
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:36.000
I'm fifty nine years old, and
you know I'm not a little guy.

465
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:42.920
I'm six foot tall. At the
time when I had deciding, I had

466
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:47.800
a fifty four inch chest, a
thirty two inch waist, twenty one inch

467
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:52.599
arms, twenty two inch neck.
I was the same dimensions as Arnold Schwarzenegger.

468
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.679
I just wasn't cut as well as
he was, you know. And

469
00:34:55.840 --> 00:35:00.679
this saying, and when I told
him this, when I was poor convenience,

470
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:02.400
I said, it made me feel
like Billy Barty. I know,

471
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:08.159
these kids don't know who Billy Barty
is. He was a dwarf God.

472
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:13.760
I think Billy was only like three
foot nine somewhere around there. He's a

473
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:16.840
very small man. And that's what
this thing made me feel. Like when

474
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:22.679
I was standing next to it,
it was like the Empire State building versus

475
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:25.639
an apartment building. You know,
it was quite a size of difference.

476
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:32.679
Made me feel very very small and
very insignificant. But I think mostly it's

477
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:37.360
it's probably my open mindedness in my
connection to nature, because I've always been

478
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:40.760
connected to nature. Even though you
look at me manly man, any tough

479
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:45.280
guy. Well yeah, but you
don't know this side of me, and

480
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:49.760
it's not a side that I ever
really let people know about. Only a

481
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.440
few people know that. You know, I'm not connected. I guess here

482
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:54.199
I'm listening for the birds. I
listened to the wind. You know,

483
00:35:54.880 --> 00:36:00.960
I appreciate the beauty of nature.
I love to take pictures of its flowers,

484
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:05.119
rainbows, all that stuff. You
know, it's something that you could

485
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:08.159
look at me and go, well, that's pretty unexpected. I mean,

486
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:12.840
you can look through my pictures on
Facebook and go, this guy's kind of

487
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:20.320
interesting. So then at that point
in your life you've had the second encounter,

488
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:25.079
what are your what are your thoughts
towards this creature you've been experiencing?

489
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:30.079
Are you fully on board with?
Okay, Sasquatch is real? Although you

490
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:35.159
did say it was later in life
when you totally realize all this stuff.

491
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:38.800
So no, as far as being
real, the face to face as that

492
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:44.960
absolutely solidified it that this is not
a mythical creature. It's real. It's

493
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:51.320
flesh, it's blood, it breeze, and it's big, absolutely colossal in

494
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:59.400
size. You know. It's just
then my force or third sighting for me,

495
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:02.519
I saw did it by My mother
didn't. And I think she experienced

496
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:07.440
the infrasound and believe it or not, just a few months ago. This

497
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:12.199
is the first time she told me
that she could not move the entire night,

498
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:17.599
that she was paralyzed. And what
happened was I felt it watching and

499
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:22.360
so did she. We were different
ends of the trailers, so we're fifty

500
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:24.800
feet apart. She had the master
bedroom all the way the other side.

501
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:30.360
I actually took a living room.
It's actually a family room. It was

502
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:32.360
huge. I had piano in there
because I was in a band and everything.

503
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:36.239
We used to have them come over
in practice that everybody in the valley

504
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:39.079
loved it because the sound would echo
up the valley there. When we get

505
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:42.440
compliments the next day, he goes, yeah, you guys, sounded great

506
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.760
last night. I was like,
oh oh you heard that. Oh yeah,

507
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:50.239
that echoes all up the valley.
I go last cool, But I

508
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:52.320
felt that had that feeling, And
this was the first time I actually had

509
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:55.480
that feeling where the hair stand up
on the back of your neck and you

510
00:37:55.559 --> 00:38:00.039
just feel like something's just watching you. You know, something unseen is watching

511
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:04.000
you. So I went to my
back window, which faces the bank,

512
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:07.599
the cut bank behind from the area
where I had my first siding, and

513
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:13.239
I looked, actually looked out the
window and the first tree there. It

514
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:15.519
was squatted down next to the first
tree. I saw the glowing nights,

515
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:22.719
and I closed the curtains, crawling
bed, jumped in as in the fetal

516
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:30.559
position the entire night, and it
stayed there the entire night, and the

517
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:32.679
next morning when my mom got up, I heard her headed towards you know.

518
00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:37.719
When this feeling finally disappeared was probably
about five thirty in the morning.

519
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:43.800
So this is the entire night it
sat there and watched, and just right

520
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:49.239
there behind my window, which was
only thirty feet away the sighting the first

521
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:52.760
siding I had. Distance wise from
it, I was only about thirty to

522
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:57.599
thirty five feet away, you know. Then the sighting number two, I

523
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:01.679
was two feet away. So this
siding, I was about thirty thirty five

524
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:06.840
feet away. I would say thirty. It was closer to thirty. And

525
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:10.320
so as soon as I heard her
get up, I ran into the kitchen.

526
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:15.719
I'm like trying to be cool,
just like good, she said,

527
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:20.599
I did to sleep a wink.
Okay, I'm not the only one.

528
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:24.559
What's up? She's I just felt
something just staring at us all night long.

529
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:29.360
I just couldn't sleep. She's just
so I just I couldn't move.

530
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:34.039
It's what she told me just recently. So there comes the infras out,

531
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:37.559
you know, being what they call
is after whatever you want to call it.

532
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.880
But she said she was absolutely paralyzed
the entire night. And as soon

533
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:44.480
as it went away, that's when
she got up and handed for the kitchen,

534
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:47.760
you know, because she didn't have
any understanding of it. Then I

535
00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:52.599
told her what went on that,
I said, I looked out the window.

536
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:55.039
I saw him back there. I
saw those those glowing eyes, and

537
00:39:55.199 --> 00:40:00.199
I just freaked out, climbed a
bed and just curled up. And one

538
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:01.679
of you, just don't kill us, you know, I mean, I

539
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:06.039
was, I was. I had
no idea you know that it was a

540
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:09.239
gentle being. You know, it
just looked scary, man, But I

541
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:13.519
was terrified, you know, I
just and this was only about a week

542
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:17.239
and a half after the face to
face, so that was still fresh in

543
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:22.679
mine, you know. And but
it's still again. It never tried to

544
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:24.719
hurt us, never tried to do
anything. It may have even thrown things.

545
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:29.440
It's the thing I just don't remember, you know, as far as

546
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:31.280
that part goes, because I was
just curled up in bed like a like

547
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:38.159
a little baby open for my mommy. This big little guy, you know,

548
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:45.039
like Schwartzenegger, acting like a one
year old infant. Uh. I

549
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:51.519
almost wonder you said it happened so
close to the last one. Yeah,

550
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:55.880
I would have to say maybe thirty
yards. But the first time frame wise,

551
00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:01.400
do you think maybe followed you home? Or was it knew right where

552
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:05.079
I lived? A matter of fact, I think it has something to do

553
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:08.199
the way I'm looking at things now
with the research and stuff I've been doing.

554
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:15.039
The feeling I have is when one
connects with you, you're on their

555
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:21.119
network and that you they all know
who you are. I don't know if

556
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:24.400
it's your vibration or you know,
what it has to do with you.

557
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:28.960
But I think when one knows you
and connects with you, they all know

558
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:34.400
you. And that's what I'm kind
of learning because I'm getting contact pretty much

559
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:38.079
wherever I go, and I'm testing
this out here and there. I was

560
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:44.239
up with Thomas Potter at his research
site which is a close to Crater Lake

561
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:49.800
here just about six or eight weeks
ago, and they were actually coming into

562
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:53.000
camp there. You know, we
had one approach us. We were chatting

563
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:59.239
at campfire and heard things coming at
us, walking towards us, and it's

564
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:05.039
absolutely on the bipedal, and he
still has a monicum of fear. Until

565
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.960
you lose that fear, you're not
going to be able to have a visual

566
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:10.239
sighting with them. You know,
I believe that is part of it,

567
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:14.400
is your fear. They want to
make sure they know you're open minded,

568
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:16.559
but it's that little bit of fear. Even if you have a small amount

569
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:20.239
of it, they will just kind
of stay what they call, I guess

570
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:23.760
cloaked or they're going to just stay
just out of your view. And I

571
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:28.039
think the reason they do. And
it's not a woodknock. We all call

572
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:31.199
it woodknocks. It sounds like a
wood knock, but it's actually and it's

573
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:36.920
been witnessed. It's done with their
mouth. It's a pop. Their throat

574
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:38.719
kind of swells up and they get
this just powerful pop, and I mean

575
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:43.519
it's very powerful and very loud,
and it does sound like somebody's whacking on

576
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:49.400
a tree, but they're they're doing
a pop. Just one who has actually

577
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:54.239
witnessed that. I've been told about
it and other people that have actually seen

578
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:58.599
somebody that has witnessed it, and
I can't exactly tell you who. I

579
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:00.119
didn't write things down. I was
just, oh, you know, that

580
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:05.639
kind of makes sense. You know
that actually kind of makes sense because they

581
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.800
are an incredible creature. They really
are. But I think, like I

582
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:14.440
said, once you're on their radar
and they get a connection with you,

583
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:19.360
they all know you, they all
know you, and they'll come out.

584
00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:22.679
I'm actually teaching one of the guys
I work with and he's actually took what

585
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:28.039
I told him, and he was
up at a local lake here and he

586
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:30.760
went up and he heard the wood
knocks. He said, it sound like

587
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:35.719
somebody was knocked topping on wood's I
knew what that was because you told me

588
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.440
about it. And this guy's really
calm and show like I am and and

589
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:45.880
you know, very open minded Spanish
guy from Mexico. And so he says,

590
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:51.559
okay. He walked up there and
he says, hey, Tauler's out.

591
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:53.199
I know who you are. It's
okay. I'm not here to hurt

592
00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:58.519
you. It'd be really neat to
see you step out. And this big

593
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:04.800
white sasquash stepped out for him to
present itself to him on his first time

594
00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:08.199
of trying this. So I mean, it absolutely works, and it's it's

595
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:13.000
your mindset and they, like I
said, they can read you like an

596
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:17.360
open book if you're ready or not. And it's not like these chance sightings

597
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:22.199
of a road crossing or anything else. This is a true connection. You

598
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:24.559
know. I think if you spend
more than a couple of minutes in their

599
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:30.320
presence and you're open minded, they
formed that connection with you. And and

600
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:37.280
it was Tom Cantrall doing an interview
on Poor Convenes that he had said one

601
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:40.639
day that they can they form a
mental connection with you and it lasts for

602
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:45.159
a long time. And I got
to thinking about that, and that's what

603
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:49.320
got me to my sighting number five
and started me as a researcher. But

604
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:53.559
we can get onto my fourth one. Yeah, okay, my fourth one,

605
00:44:54.000 --> 00:45:00.159
which was with my mom as well. We were there, Oh,

606
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:02.400
the nice driveway you go up the
hill, and I had the cars parked

607
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:06.760
all along because like I said,
you know, I had a bunch of

608
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:09.480
cars. I had him stashed everywhere
and I would just fix them up by

609
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:13.199
and sell, you know. But
we're out talking. It was, you

610
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:20.679
know, And this was only about
a week after the last one, the

611
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:24.000
third one. And we're standing on
top of the driveway. There's a actually

612
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:29.400
a street light there that illuminates everything, but it wasn't on or anything was

613
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:32.800
The sun had just gone down from
the hill, so it was very light

614
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:38.800
out still, and we're talking and
she said, look at that, and

615
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:43.239
we're looking at the property across the
road, a big pasture. But at

616
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:47.199
the edge of the pasture there's a
tree line which is continues on from the

617
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:51.880
property I'm on because there's a big
pasture on the other side there, right.

618
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.880
I had the first sighting and there
was a family that lived there that

619
00:45:55.000 --> 00:46:00.079
was related to the folks that are
on the ranch, and that was just

620
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.599
another house on the property. They
had like five houses on the property.

621
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:09.000
And but at the end of the
property, the tree line starts and comes

622
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:13.760
across the road and all the way
around this person's pasture, across the creeks

623
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.519
and up the mountain on the other
side. And my mom's will look at

624
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:22.800
that, and I look over and
we see the eyes again just inside the

625
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:29.360
tree line, and it's moving and
the way they move is just it's it's

626
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:32.159
really hard to explain. It's just
to glide like they're floating. I mean,

627
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:37.639
it's just so perfect that there's no
head bob, there's no nothing,

628
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:42.679
and they're walking through stuff that you
don't want to walk through because there's so

629
00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:45.760
much deadfall and windfall, you know, through these areas, and you know,

630
00:46:45.800 --> 00:46:50.000
because it's not like anybody's going through, they're clear and everything out,

631
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:52.760
you know. They just usually at
the end of their pastors, they just

632
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:55.719
deal with their pastures and leave the
tree lines and stuff alone. And to

633
00:46:55.800 --> 00:47:01.199
see the same gliding and the eyes
are looking at us. And I think

634
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:05.239
my mom spotted it first. And
this is right at the beginning, right

635
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:10.000
as soon as we could see,
you know, something as far as into

636
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:15.119
our field of vision, and we
watched it walked through the tree line and

637
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:20.800
just basically glide through the tree line. Let's put it that way. And

638
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:25.280
he just kept looking back at us, probably about every five or six steps,

639
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:30.599
and it was moving, and it's
just walking. It's moving faster than

640
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:38.039
I could run, and every five
or six steps all the way across and

641
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:43.519
crossing the creeks, and we start
to head up the mountain, and it

642
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:45.880
looked at us all the way,
every five or six steps, just looking

643
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:52.039
directly at us. And until I
got over the top and vanished over the

644
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:55.679
top of the mountain. And the
feeling that I got at the time was

645
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:02.239
goodbye. It was tell me goodbye. I don't know where the feeling was

646
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:07.960
from, but it was just and
at that time I was actually it just

647
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:12.199
called me from all the sidings I'd
had, I didn't have that terror anymore

648
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:17.159
or anything. I was accepting what
was happening, but apparently not accepting enough,

649
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:23.000
because it was bailing on me.
Nothing else happened for another almost forty

650
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:30.000
years. Forty one years is when
I decided that, you know, I'm

651
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:35.639
not afraid anymore. I don't have
any fear. I finally got to get

652
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:40.119
all this off my chest. Otherwise
I wanted nothing to do with Sasquatch whatsoever.

653
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:45.000
Nothing I don't care. I wanted
nothing to do with it. Then

654
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:50.320
my curiosity started kicking up, and
you know, because that's part of being

655
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:54.000
open minded is being very curious.
And I want to know how in my

656
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:57.840
whole life. I like to tear
things apart and put them back together.

657
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:00.519
You know, It's like I want
to know what makes it tick? Why

658
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:04.239
does this work this way? How
did they figure this out? And after

659
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:08.199
getting all that off my chest,
I started collecting books and reading and reading

660
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:13.719
and reading. I probably have over
here, probably close to one hundred books,

661
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:17.440
and I've got from all the four
Horsemen, you know, I've got

662
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:22.719
everybody that top name. I've made
friends with almost everybody. Unfortunately, Pete

663
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:27.960
Burns is not doing too well.
Probably won't be with us for very much

664
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:32.960
longer. Yeah. Well, I
think he's ninety eight, so he's outlived

665
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:38.800
them all. They all didn't like
him because he was the foreigner. But

666
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:43.360
he's outlived every one of them.
I think that's hilarious. And the hard

667
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:46.960
part is that not one of them
ever saw a sasquatch. You know,

668
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:51.880
they are the pioneers, and not
one of them ever got to see a

669
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:54.639
sasquatch. Yeah, you know,
and that's what got me thinking a lot

670
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:59.159
of these little things. You know, when you chase something, what happens,

671
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:02.599
It runs faster and further away.
I watched ten years of fighting big

672
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:08.480
Foot. I love you, Cliff
Bar and Bobo, but banging on trees

673
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:14.599
every time you guys did it,
and they did their little mouthpop each time

674
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:16.559
they answered you. It was further
and further away. They were going the

675
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:21.960
opposite direction. You know, I
think Sasquatchings have a sense of humor,

676
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:28.079
and they were answering them. Just
do humor them, and they're on their

677
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:30.559
way out. You know, you're
never going to find one doing those things.

678
00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:36.480
They have to come to you.
And that's where what we call,

679
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:43.320
I think Tom Coyne is praise,
is armchair squatching, where you find a

680
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:46.440
place. If you do have a
connection, which means you've probably had a

681
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:51.719
sighting for more than a minute or
two, they've done a connection to you

682
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:57.760
mentally, they know who you are, and you just get out there and

683
00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:00.760
let them know you're there. I
get out in the wood. If you

684
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:04.079
came across me in the woods were
spying on me, you'd think I was

685
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:07.760
nuts. I'm out there talking out
loud to everything. You know, giving

686
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:10.880
my thoughts and say hey, every
time I get up to my area,

687
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:17.199
hey, Bills here, which this
will get into a story number six with

688
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:22.360
Bill Bills here. But yeah,
by by doing all the reading I'm doing,

689
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:30.440
and because I'm very logical and very
good at reasoning and looking at how

690
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:34.840
people others were doing all these things, I was like, you know what,

691
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:40.079
this doesn't work. None of this
works. You guys are not finding

692
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:45.360
what you're hunting for because the things
that you're doing and the techniques you're using

693
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:49.559
do not work. So all these
people that are going out doing all these

694
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.559
things, especially like moneymaker and stuff, they're still out there begging on trees

695
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:58.280
called blasting, and you know what, the only experiences they're getting is maybe

696
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:04.400
a tree knock back or maybe they'll
get a vocalization and that's about it.

697
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:10.400
You know. They're not getting face
to face views of these uh, magnificent

698
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:15.639
forest people. I think they're just
beautiful, absolutely beautiful creatures, you know,

699
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:19.480
and to be so big and be
able to be as stealthy as they

700
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:23.840
are, man, they've got some
kind of intelligence. And the more time

701
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:30.760
you spin with them, the stranger
things get. I was telling Jill Joe

702
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:36.920
Radzmer from They Did a Flash of
Beauty. I said, Jill, I

703
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:45.119
call this quote unquote high strangeness that
happens aroound him the stills. She writes

704
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:47.119
me back, she says, yeah, Bill, guess what you're gonna like

705
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:51.639
the new movie. She says,
Uh, it's right up your alley.

706
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:53.000
I said, well, it's not
really my alley. It's just when I'm

707
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:57.719
finding out. You know, there's
the more time you spend with these creatures,

708
00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:02.800
the weirder things get, because I
think they open up to you more

709
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:07.480
and let you see more the more
time you're with them or spend around them.

710
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:12.679
And what do they call it?
Were they woo Camp? And what

711
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:15.000
jillan Bredd are doing now with the
new movie, and it's it's beautiful,

712
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:20.559
it's wonderful. I saw, it's
probably what I've seen. It's ninety percent

713
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:24.000
complete. They still have some stuff
they want to add in, and it

714
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:30.079
was they're trying to bruce the gap
between the apers because everybody thinks it's just

715
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:35.000
like Cliff, He's still stuck on
it's a stupid ape. Sorry Cliff,

716
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:39.840
but you couldn't be more wrong.
You know, it's not a stupid ape.

717
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:46.079
I think they're more part of us
than anything. They look like us,

718
00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:49.559
a lot of them. Do you
know you're gonna get different looks.

719
00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:52.320
They're just like us, you know. There there's you cut different looks,

720
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:58.079
different shapes, different body sizes.
When it comes to the footprints, look

721
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:01.599
at the grays Harbor footprints that they're
so faint. It doesn't have the mid

722
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:07.519
tarsal break. It has a longitudal
break or a longitudal arch. Really look

723
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:10.519
at it. Cliff will come up
with a different reason, an excuse to

724
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:15.119
try to gear it off to something
else. I'm like, no, it's

725
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:17.519
right there. Look at it.
There's there's no mit tarso break in that

726
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:22.360
one. They all have. Some
have mid tarsal breaks, some are longitudal,

727
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:25.440
you know, just similar to ours. You know, it's the size

728
00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:30.199
it tells the difference. You know, you can't squirt, you can't hide

729
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:35.960
that square inches of footage, you
know, to their feet, they're just

730
00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:43.039
big. Even the small ones have
a very just proportional foot compared to ours.

731
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:49.360
So, um, that's very interesting. Yeah, I'm gonna have to

732
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:53.519
take a closer look at the Gray's
Harbor. Absolutely, take take a really

733
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:57.360
close look at it and go,
man, I really don't see the mid

734
00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:00.199
tarsal here. You know this this
looks more like a human foot, but

735
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:06.039
it's huge, you know. It's
a beautiful prey, beautiful prey. Before

736
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:10.239
we get too far away from up
part of the conversation we just had,

737
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:15.519
so you're saying that when you go
to an area, you have to verbally

738
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:17.519
say out loud, like hey,
bills here or something like that, and

739
00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:22.400
that's how you are going to get
that face to face connection. Not necessarily

740
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:27.679
they know you're coming, they know
your thoughts before you even leave your home.

741
00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:31.079
If you are connected to that,
I'm constantly connected to him. I

742
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:35.440
don't know how it works. Don't
ask me. I just go with it.

743
00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:37.679
And that's what Tom has taught me. He's like, I've called him

744
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:44.719
several times, Tom, I'm really
questioning my sanity. That's some of the

745
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:49.079
craziest things we're happening around me.
And he's like, just just just go

746
00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:51.440
with it. It's okay, it's
okay, just go with it. Where

747
00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:53.960
things are going to happen, just
go with it. You'll understand it some

748
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:58.519
other time. Just go with it, Like, Okay, you're really sure

749
00:55:58.599 --> 00:56:01.480
I'm not going nuts, you know, And I'm sure most of us feel

750
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:06.960
that way with some of the strangeness
that we see, especially people that are

751
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:10.800
seeing them cloak. You know,
Barb Shoot actually got it on film,

752
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:15.159
and there's been a couple of people
that actually got it on film, and

753
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:21.280
it's kind of like a predator effect, you know, and very very interesting.

754
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:24.119
And now in the Flash of Beauty, this will be in the new

755
00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:32.440
one, the Paranormal, and it's
actual video footage of a cloaked Sasquatch.

756
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:37.400
Yes, it's cool ast thing you
ever saw. And you know, they're

757
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:42.039
they're making like I said, they're
trying to bridge the camps together and go,

758
00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:45.400
hey, you know, they are
a flesh and blood being, but

759
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:50.840
they also have other things they and
I think it's just things that we actolutely

760
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:54.440
used to have at one point in
time, before we domesticated ourselves and started

761
00:56:54.519 --> 00:57:00.440
changing our environment to suit ourselves.
They took it a whole different level and

762
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:07.280
changed themselves to suit the environment.
Very very interesting. I think there's something

763
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:10.480
definitely that said there. It's like, you know, as we become more

764
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:16.000
and more civilized and we latch on
to technology, and in the future that

765
00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:20.800
will become even more so, and
maybe it becomes part of us. What

766
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:27.360
are we losing in our connection to
nature that there's we've lost different We've lost

767
00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:30.320
a lot, you know, look
at people that have these psychic psychic abilities

768
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:37.880
and telekinesis and telepathic. I mean, I've experienced in my life being telepathic

769
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:40.159
and be able to read the minds
of people close to me. And it

770
00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:45.840
still happens to me even though my
ex and I we still live in the

771
00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:50.079
same house, but we're not together
anymore, it haven't been for a year

772
00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:54.000
and a half. But I will
think of something that I'm hungry for.

773
00:57:54.239 --> 00:58:00.000
I'll come home and that's what she's
made for dinner. And it happens more

774
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:02.679
often than not, you know,
because we have a connection. We're close

775
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:07.239
together. We've been you know,
close together for over twelve years, so

776
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:14.000
you develop a mental connection. And
just like people dreaming in the same bed

777
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:20.360
together, science is actually coming up
with where they are actually mentally connected and

778
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:24.199
in the same state. And science
has really proven a lot of things,

779
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:28.360
and that's another thing that they're trying
to bridge the gap on to show the

780
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:34.199
science of things. Even Todd Nice
is looking at the eye glow and how

781
00:58:34.239 --> 00:58:39.840
they do it. There is actually
actual scientific precedent for it for some other

782
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:45.800
animals that are asked able to do
that, especially deep sea creatures, how

783
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:52.519
they're able to illuminate in that dark
water bioluminescence, you know, there's there's

784
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:57.559
another avenue showing you know that things
can light up on their own. It's

785
00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:02.440
it's all in your chemistry. And
yeah, as first telepathic, I had

786
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:07.039
a lot of abilities growing up that
I suppressed because I didn't want nothing to

787
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:12.239
have to do with it. Scared
me. I wasn't able to handle it.

788
00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:15.480
I think Sasquash figured out the same
thing. I ain't ready yet.

789
00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:22.679
And uh, but something that's starting
to come back for me now, and

790
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:25.119
I think they're they're kind of opening
up some of that in me. It's

791
00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:34.360
become um, not from wanting to
prove anything, proved their existence, because

792
00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:37.320
I already know they're there. I
know it's flesh, and but I've been

793
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:43.519
face to face. I've I've been
within two times, within thirty five you

794
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:46.960
know, thirty five feet are less, one two feet are less. My

795
00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:53.679
last one they allowed me to get
within ten feet and h then the one

796
00:59:54.079 --> 01:00:00.000
I would say that we walked,
walked, walked through the tree, lie

797
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:01.880
up the mountain. The other side
of that was within a quarter mile or

798
01:00:01.960 --> 01:00:07.880
less. So I've had a lot
of close contact, and most of my

799
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:10.239
stuff has been daylight. Everybody argues
everybody goes out at nighttime. I'm like,

800
01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:15.800
why, you know the you can
see a lot better in the daytime,

801
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:22.599
So I don't go out, and
I do camp out in the area

802
01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:25.480
sometimes, which I may do here
in the next couple of days. And

803
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:28.840
I'm going to try to do more
and more than all my camping gear.

804
01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:30.760
I figured, well, it's in
the van, it's going to stay in

805
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:35.639
the van, and you know,
when I get the inclined to do it,

806
01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:37.639
I will just spend the night out
there, and I have, and

807
01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:42.920
I haven't had any nighttime activity with
him. All mine's been in the daytime.

808
01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:47.920
You had mentioned earlier we were talking. It kind of got referred to

809
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:54.159
quickly. We're talking about todd niece
and the calling Sasquatch out for five nights

810
01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:58.119
in a row, and that convinced
him of some thing. So can you

811
01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:04.400
go into a little bit more what
exactly was done when you were calling Sasquatch

812
01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:09.440
out and were able to have the
creature come to the area. I guess

813
01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:13.840
what was Okay, let will run
us into number five. All right,

814
01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:21.199
Okay, Well I watched the podcast
and I think it was in like Tebruary

815
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:27.880
of twenty twenty one that Tom Cantrall
was on. Tom said one thing,

816
01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:30.639
and that's where it got me into
the connection thing, because a lot of

817
01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:35.480
people think Tom's full of woeie.
You know that. You know, he's

818
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:42.800
just nuts. And you know what, I can lend credies to experiences he

819
01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:49.440
had, you know, because I've
tested it. I was actually calling him

820
01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:52.840
out on it, is what I
was going to do. He had made

821
01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:57.960
the statement of being connected to them. He says, once you form a

822
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:02.199
connection with them, you're pretty much
connected for a very long time, if

823
01:02:02.239 --> 01:02:07.400
not for life. And I thought
about that, and I thought hard about

824
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:09.360
it, just like I did with
you know, they never tried to harm

825
01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:14.000
me. You know, I'm a
CD so when I stick on something,

826
01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:16.719
my mind plays it and plays it
and plays it and plays it, you

827
01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:20.559
know, songs, all that stuff. It just runs over my head and

828
01:02:20.599 --> 01:02:23.320
just continues. I'm like, stop. I wish I had a switch here

829
01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:25.599
to turn things off, you know, so I could get some rest,

830
01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:30.159
because I don't rest much, tell
you truth, But I was like,

831
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:35.119
Okay, everybody's like Tom's full of
crap and everything. But I'm like,

832
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:38.480
I don't think so. I mean, I'm looking at the things that he's

833
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:42.840
put in, the things that he's
written, and going, you know what,

834
01:02:43.039 --> 01:02:46.599
it makes more sense to me too
if you're because like I said,

835
01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:52.800
I've trained a lot of animals and
understanding the mindset of both pray and predator.

836
01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:59.840
So I really really kind of analyze
the things that he had written and

837
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:07.320
Arla Williams had written, and I
think Arla taught Tom a lot as well,

838
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:15.320
and but he made that statement that
they're connected to you. So I'm

839
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:17.880
like, oh, okay. At
the time, I was a caregiver.

840
01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:23.719
I was worked as a medical aid
and caregiver for fourteen years so in the

841
01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:28.159
medical industry until the shot came around, It's like, nobody's forcing me to

842
01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:31.679
do anything against my will. So
thank you, governor. She fired me.

843
01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:37.320
I worked up to my last day
until she said everybody's fired at that

844
01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:40.760
point, you know, Kate Brown
at the time, which you know,

845
01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:47.159
there should be able to be some
lawsuits over that um because an executive order

846
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:53.559
is not a law that's a whole
different. It is a crazy time it

847
01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:59.760
is. It is a hard suggestion. We'll just call it that way.

848
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:04.679
So I decided, Okay, seven
days, I am going to focus on

849
01:04:05.559 --> 01:04:11.440
the sightings I had, especially face
to face, and the one I was

850
01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:14.440
face to face with because he seemed
to be the one that was really trying

851
01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:16.320
to connect with me the most,
because the first sight in my head,

852
01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:20.440
I've never seen that sas rotch.
Again. The rest of them were this

853
01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:27.440
alpha male and now I call him
silver. He as black as a shadow

854
01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:30.480
could be, you know, I
mean, just like I avoid a hole.

855
01:04:30.920 --> 01:04:34.960
That's how black they are, or
at least he is. And so

856
01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:40.079
I focused on him. I focused
on the sightings that I had that I

857
01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:43.960
focused on where I wanted to meet
them, the place where I go up

858
01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:45.559
there, and that's where my research
area is. I've been going there for

859
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:49.840
over forty years. I've hunted every
inch of that mountain. I know every

860
01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:54.800
deer trail everything. I know where
every mushroom is, I know where every

861
01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:59.760
medicinal plant is on that mountain.
I know the trees personally, probably given

862
01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:02.719
a I love them the name.
I go up there shooting. I used

863
01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:05.960
to take friends up there shooting all
the time, camping, I have a

864
01:05:06.039 --> 01:05:14.000
camp spot up there that is just
absolutely drop dead gorgeous. That's surrounded is

865
01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:19.480
with the old growth timber and it's
just these just this nice little open prairie

866
01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:23.000
spot. And the only way you
can find it just to know where it

867
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:26.519
is because you drive right past the
goal. That's a cool spot there,

868
01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:30.039
you know that'd make a great camp
There's actually a road that goes to it.

869
01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:32.599
It just dives off, but you
have to dive off the bank and

870
01:05:33.199 --> 01:05:35.800
you hit the road. You have
to know where it's at or you're not

871
01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:45.960
going there. And so I spent
every waking moment of those that week picturing

872
01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:51.599
my sightings that one particular sasquatch and
letting anyone know I want to meet you

873
01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:58.039
just to try to prove, you
know, or disprove actually the mental connection.

874
01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:00.800
And I was like, yeah,
you know, I'm gonna call bs

875
01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:03.519
on you. Let's find out.
So I'm gonna experiment with this well.

876
01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:08.880
In the meantime, towards the end
of that week, Kip Morrell and Miriam

877
01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:15.840
were over in Brookings and I'm sorry, can I clarify something? Go ahead,

878
01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:20.039
I'm this is just a was it
kit moral? Same guy? Okay?

879
01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:23.880
Sorry? Run some pronunciation. All
right, just still a second,

880
01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:26.760
okay, Well yeah, Well him
and I have had this thing over the

881
01:06:26.800 --> 01:06:30.480
past year where I was like,
uh, he's the elusive Kip creature and

882
01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:38.559
I've seen more sasquatches and I've seen
eight sasquatches and zero kip, you know,

883
01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:43.239
And I've done this thing on his
Facebook for close to a year.

884
01:06:43.559 --> 01:06:46.079
We finally got to meet at beach
Foot. It was just hilarious because that

885
01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:49.480
was one guy. Just like the
day before beach Foot, I put up

886
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:55.800
my algorithms are are have to be
correct, my hands are itchy. You

887
01:06:55.800 --> 01:06:59.199
know what that means. That means
Jack Pott. I'm gonna meet I'm gonna

888
01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:02.360
run into this tree, you know. So I put all these things up

889
01:07:02.360 --> 01:07:05.559
on his saying it was funny.
But they met were peeking around corners,

890
01:07:05.639 --> 01:07:12.360
you know, going out. I
think I smiled him. Sorry to distract

891
01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:14.559
you, but I just had to
make sure he's the right guy. I

892
01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:16.440
was thinking, oh, yes,
yes, yes, it's funny. But

893
01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:19.599
anyways, I was going to go
over there and actually meet him instead of

894
01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:24.639
go with squatching. And he's like, well, Bill, I'll catch up

895
01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:27.440
with you in the summer when I'm
over there. Because he's got some things

896
01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:30.880
he does at the airport here for
his fire training and stuff, and even

897
01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:34.800
though he's retired, he still does
this thing every summer with the crew over

898
01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:39.920
here. And I was like,
well, okay, I guess i'll go

899
01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:44.400
squatching. I'll go give this a
try. So it's actually because he kept

900
01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:47.519
turning me down because he had company
coming and had plans for the day that

901
01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:53.880
I actually had my sighting Thanks Kip. I think I told Kip this.

902
01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:57.960
I'm not sure if I did,
but if he's watching, he knows now.

903
01:07:58.719 --> 01:08:02.920
But I put all this into action, and this is the first time

904
01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:08.920
I ever and I didn't even know
about what they call mind speak, which

905
01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:14.039
is just telepathy. It's it's it's
nothing, nothing more, nothing less.

906
01:08:14.039 --> 01:08:17.479
It's just a telepathic way of communication. And on the way out there,

907
01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:21.520
I was getting ready to turn onto
the highway, which makes it about another

908
01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:29.119
fifteen sixteen miles to where I was
headed, and I hear this in my

909
01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:32.239
head, We're not going to meet
you where you wanted to meet you.

910
01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:39.039
I'm driving, I'm going, Um, what was that? I'm like,

911
01:08:39.680 --> 01:08:44.199
okay, Bill, go with it. So I just kind of dismissed.

912
01:08:44.279 --> 01:08:46.840
What what popped into my head.
I'm like, that was very strange,

913
01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:55.079
okay, because I've been able to
hear other people's thoughts, but I've never

914
01:08:55.119 --> 01:08:58.680
had them implanted into me like that, you know. So that was that

915
01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:02.880
was a bit of strangeness. And
that's when I started seeking out things about

916
01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:11.279
mine speak and Robin McRae and her
had chatted about it and stuff, and

917
01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:14.560
I was like, and also Greg
Robert from right here in Medford. He's

918
01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:19.520
our weather guy. He owns a
rogue weather dot com and he's also a

919
01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:26.359
researcher, and he's experienced things in
the same manner I have, and the

920
01:09:26.439 --> 01:09:30.119
way things have been put into our
minds. Sometimes it's a sentence, sometimes

921
01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:32.960
it's a paragraph. Sometimes it's a
spoken word. Sometimes the thought or feeling,

922
01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:38.880
and it's just it's just a very
strange thing. And we just learned

923
01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:41.760
to kind of go with it.
So I'm on my way up there,

924
01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:44.880
I make my turn. I'm ended
up the main highway and I get to

925
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:47.479
my turn off and I turn off
and there's a guide park there and I'm

926
01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:49.760
like, well, are you lost? He's like, oh no, he

927
01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:54.199
says, I'm up from California.
I just moved here recently, and so

928
01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:56.880
we had a big conversation there.
He was looking for a place to write

929
01:09:56.880 --> 01:10:00.000
his quads and I said, well, yeah, you got a cool air

930
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:01.439
are you? Just just please stay
on the road, you know, don't

931
01:10:01.439 --> 01:10:04.960
go off road trash and you know
the environment here and everything. I said,

932
01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:08.560
there's old logging roads, but you
can go up them, but you

933
01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:12.079
know, don't beat journey burnouts and
cookies and spinning your tires on them.

934
01:10:12.079 --> 01:10:15.359
You know. But they are hard
pan because they are graveled. You know,

935
01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:19.119
It's just they're overgrown and they make
great highways there, you know,

936
01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:21.439
you can. That's where I go
for a lot of my walks. I'll

937
01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:25.640
just pick a logging road and an
old one that's overgrown, and off I

938
01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:29.159
go, because I know it's a
great, great footing and it doesn't matter

939
01:10:29.239 --> 01:10:30.520
where you are up there, it's
the footing is great anyway. It's a

940
01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:35.039
decomposed ranut. So as far as
getting a footprint, good luck. You

941
01:10:35.119 --> 01:10:41.000
know, it's almost impossible up there. That's why I got so excited about

942
01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:47.760
the snow track that I screwed up. But I talked to him and I

943
01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:51.199
decided, Okay, I'm going to
drive on up and there's this area I

944
01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:55.159
call the triangle marsh, and I
made it past that, and then I

945
01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:58.800
hit a three foot bank of snow
on the roadway. And if there's three

946
01:10:58.840 --> 01:11:03.399
feet at this point, it's probably
i would say about forty one hundred foot

947
01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:09.239
level, maybe forty two hundred feet
right there, and it goes all the

948
01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:11.840
way up to about fifty two hundred
feet, so you figure at the top

949
01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:16.319
there's probably sixteen seventeen eighteen feet of
snow. Wow. So I wasn't going

950
01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:21.600
any further, and the place that
I wanted to meet him was up towards

951
01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:25.159
the top, so there was no
way that was going to happen. So

952
01:11:25.199 --> 01:11:29.079
then I remember that little statement that
came into my mind when I turned,

953
01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:31.479
as we're not going to meet you
where we wanted to meet you. So

954
01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:35.119
I turned around, come back down, and I parked. There's what I

955
01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:42.640
call a triangle marsh because it's shaped
like a triangle. And by then the

956
01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:45.920
other gentleman that I've been talking to
showed up there, and so we talked.

957
01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:48.479
I said, you're not going to
go any further. I said,

958
01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:51.640
there's a wall of snow and you're
not getting past it. Especially he has

959
01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:57.800
some little car, and so we
chatted for another half an hour. Really

960
01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:02.199
nice guy, really nice guy,
enjoyed our conversations. And then some guy

961
01:12:02.239 --> 01:12:04.800
while we're standing there talking and come
up in this big ol four wheel drive

962
01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:09.560
pickup, just flying by. So
I'm like, we're both laughing. Well,

963
01:12:10.199 --> 01:12:15.399
you're gonna make it very far.
It wasn't two minutes he's coming back

964
01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:23.520
down. He was out of there, and so we finished our conversation and

965
01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:27.720
he took off, and it was
really quiet, and I was going to

966
01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:31.279
try one of Tom's methods of armchair
squashing. So I had dropped the book

967
01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:34.920
that I'm in, which is a
sasquashed face to face by Tom ConTroll.

968
01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:40.359
We all wrote our own stories that
are in there, so plus he put

969
01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:44.039
some of his own stories in there, and so I, well, you

970
01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:45.479
know, that was a good time
for me to finish reading. I went

971
01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:49.600
down in the woods where i'd get
a nice view that the marsh area there

972
01:12:49.640 --> 01:12:55.640
and everything because the snow had beaten
everything down normally it's there's cattails and marsh

973
01:12:55.640 --> 01:13:00.640
grasses and milk weed, milk thistle. That's you know, my feet tall

974
01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:04.479
through there, and you can't hardly
see down through there, and matter of

975
01:13:04.520 --> 01:13:08.079
fact, I think I sent you
a photo of one of the it looks

976
01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:12.600
like a TP type structure that has
an opening in it. I think I

977
01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:16.119
sent you one of those pictures that
is right there at the triangle marsh that

978
01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:19.439
is on from where my view was, because I'm at the I'm at the

979
01:13:19.479 --> 01:13:23.920
point of it, at the tip
of the triangle that it goes up and

980
01:13:24.119 --> 01:13:28.479
crosses here, there's like a some
bushes, here's a bush here, and

981
01:13:28.520 --> 01:13:33.800
then there's that that little uh TP
and that is a a old apple tree

982
01:13:34.159 --> 01:13:40.079
that had all the branches snapped out
all the way around this saying to form

983
01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:45.479
this, look what looks like some
type of shelter or a blind. And

984
01:13:46.279 --> 01:13:53.479
so I actually find a spot where
there's a tree route that comes out and

985
01:13:53.560 --> 01:13:58.920
sits across like this. Yeah,
high off the ground and nice little bitch,

986
01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:01.560
perfect spot to say. So I
had actually brought a lunch too with

987
01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:03.920
me and was like, oh,
bring a lunch, bring a book,

988
01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:06.920
sit back, kick back and read
on. Like okay, well, okay,

989
01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:13.159
good spot to test your theory.
And so I sat there, I

990
01:14:13.239 --> 01:14:15.199
sat down, and I cracked a
book open, and I thought, okay

991
01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:20.960
about the connection, all right,
if if you're here, give me a

992
01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:26.279
tree knock. It wasn't half a
second later after I thought of that,

993
01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:31.439
Are you serious? I am absolutely
serious. It came from the southwest area

994
01:14:31.760 --> 01:14:35.159
and it sounded like it was probably
a quarter mile away. I'm like,

995
01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:41.199
oh, maybe that could have been
an anomaly. I don't know. So

996
01:14:41.279 --> 01:14:44.920
I was like, Okay, that
was interesting, And that's me everything in

997
01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:47.079
my film and stuff. I don't
say that it was made by a sasquatch

998
01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:49.760
or structures or anything, because I
didn't see him make it. You know.

999
01:14:49.880 --> 01:14:53.880
I always put in a little video
that I'll make for myself to say,

1000
01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:58.439
well, that's interesting. What do
you think you know, as there

1001
01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:00.560
a boy Scout troop out here in
the is running around building all this stuff.

1002
01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:05.039
If they're doing it, they're traveling
all over the planet because these structures

1003
01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:09.920
are everywhere, and they're all the
same type of structures, right, I've

1004
01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:13.000
got so many. So I mean, I just sent you just a little

1005
01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:18.479
bit. But so I thought,
well, okay, that's interesting. Well

1006
01:15:18.520 --> 01:15:23.920
maybe there's something to this. Maybe
I am mentally connected to this guy.

1007
01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:29.920
And so I'm reading and everything,
and I about five minutes later, I

1008
01:15:29.960 --> 01:15:33.920
look over to my left and I'm
going, what is that? I stood

1009
01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:38.000
up and I'm looking. I've rubbed
my eyes, and I mean I've absolutely

1010
01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:41.319
rubbed my eyes trying to focus because
I wear my glass to take them off.

1011
01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:45.319
You know, it takes me a
second to refocus because these are just

1012
01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:49.039
readers. And I've rubbed my eyes
and I look over going. Now that

1013
01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:55.640
wasn't there before. There's a new
bush over there. And one of the

1014
01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:59.159
questions I had in my mind is
how they can hide in plain sight.

1015
01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:05.960
So he's showing me exactly how he
does it. And by this time I

1016
01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:10.399
stood, I've read my eyes three
different times and looked at this, and

1017
01:16:10.399 --> 01:16:13.600
I'm going. After the third time, I go, oh, you're here,

1018
01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:19.239
that's you. I was like,
cool. His hair has gone from

1019
01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:25.399
just the black is black. You
ever saw two silver? And what's strange

1020
01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:30.800
about it is it is silver like
three quarters of the way down and then

1021
01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:34.479
the last little quarter is black still, so you get to kind of a

1022
01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:42.119
salt and pepper kind of effect.
But he sat there, he kind of

1023
01:16:42.159 --> 01:16:45.800
down on his haunches like like an
eight sits, you know, just kind

1024
01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:48.800
of like on their heels, and
he had his knuckles to the ground off

1025
01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:55.199
from him, so he just looked
like this bush is all I could describe.

1026
01:16:55.239 --> 01:16:58.119
I would I would think it was
just kind of a bush sitting there

1027
01:16:58.760 --> 01:17:02.920
and up his head down so I
didn't see his eyes, and just forty

1028
01:17:02.920 --> 01:17:08.760
five minutes stayed that way, did
not move a single hair. I went,

1029
01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:10.920
that's how you do it. I
said, I could have walked by

1030
01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:15.079
you. I could have walked three
feet from you and not knew you were

1031
01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:19.439
there, because it's as you say, as I tell you when we're hunting

1032
01:17:19.560 --> 01:17:24.640
or anything or looking for something,
we're looking for movement. And he did

1033
01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:30.760
not move one single hair in forty
five minutes that we had our company.

1034
01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:33.439
I'm like, that's cool. I'll
see you there, you know. And

1035
01:17:33.479 --> 01:17:38.720
I just and Tom told me ignore
him. And I've heard that from a

1036
01:17:38.760 --> 01:17:42.079
couple of people, you know,
say just ignore them. You know,

1037
01:17:42.199 --> 01:17:45.720
the more you ignore him, the
more curious they are and the longer they'll

1038
01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:47.079
stay. Okay, well, you
know, I'm going to try all this.

1039
01:17:47.840 --> 01:17:50.359
And I said, well, so
far, Tom, stuff is working,

1040
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:55.880
because there is you know, he's
here. And so it was about

1041
01:17:55.960 --> 01:17:59.880
ten minutes later, maybe fifteen.
I'm sitting they're reading through the book,

1042
01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:01.079
everyone smiling. You know, I
just look out and make sure he's still

1043
01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:05.680
there. And I'm reading, so
I'm sure he's hearing what I'm reading in

1044
01:18:05.720 --> 01:18:10.279
my mind because I read it out
loud in my mind, as I think

1045
01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:15.279
most people do. And so he's
I read the best task watches and people

1046
01:18:15.319 --> 01:18:19.760
being terrified. I thought about that
afterwards, are going, you know what,

1047
01:18:20.039 --> 01:18:25.880
that might not have been the best
book to take. And he's probably

1048
01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:30.159
they're laughing in his own mind about
the whole thing. Yeah, stupid humans.

1049
01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:34.279
But I heard three you know,
we're still calling. I'm still calling

1050
01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:39.600
three knocks. But the pops that
were so fast it was like machine gun.

1051
01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:45.479
And that was directly to my west. And this is oh, first,

1052
01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:49.840
let me get to this first.
I missed this part as before he

1053
01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:55.319
appeared, I heard a whistle,
and I heard the whistle coming from the

1054
01:18:55.359 --> 01:19:00.560
direction he was at, one to
the direct west and one to the north

1055
01:19:00.600 --> 01:19:04.720
of me, behind me up on
the hillside. And that got me thing,

1056
01:19:05.319 --> 01:19:11.600
I'm surrounded. There's at least three
of them here. And this is

1057
01:19:11.680 --> 01:19:15.560
kind of a tactical thing when I
think when they whistle like that to tell

1058
01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:18.920
each other, okay, are you
in position? You know? And what

1059
01:19:19.039 --> 01:19:24.760
I'm finding more and more and learning
from other people. Is they're very they

1060
01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:30.279
do things in kind of a militaristic
manner. They're very, very good at

1061
01:19:30.279 --> 01:19:36.279
it and very tactical. And the
direction they left me to exit from where

1062
01:19:36.319 --> 01:19:41.800
the three of them were was directly
back to my vehicle. They left they

1063
01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:45.439
left that open, you know.
Could you hear people being escorted out?

1064
01:19:45.680 --> 01:19:48.920
And I think that's what they do, is that you're actually surrounded. If

1065
01:19:48.920 --> 01:19:54.560
there's one there, trust me,
there's more than one, and they're escorting

1066
01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:58.119
you back towards your vehicle. That's
the spot they leave open is the direction

1067
01:19:58.199 --> 01:20:00.840
they want you to go. Everything
else they kind of have blocked and they

1068
01:20:00.840 --> 01:20:06.039
have it covered. But I heard
those three whistles just before I saw him,

1069
01:20:06.039 --> 01:20:12.560
and he appeared, and I'm like, okay, there's three of you

1070
01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:19.880
here. That's interesting because that's not
a bird of any kind of sound I've

1071
01:20:19.920 --> 01:20:23.439
ever heard in these woods. And
I've been in these woods all my life.

1072
01:20:25.199 --> 01:20:27.560
I spend every spare moment I can
in the woods because I get my

1073
01:20:27.600 --> 01:20:30.960
calm there. I go there to
relax and I love nature. So I've

1074
01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:33.840
got every type of plant in that
area. A matter of fact, i

1075
01:20:33.920 --> 01:20:46.159
just discovered I've got a huge patch
of blueberry and while huckleberrys, which I'm

1076
01:20:46.359 --> 01:20:49.720
going to keep my eye on because
I'm gonna be forging a. I'm making

1077
01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:57.479
some hunckleberry jam and some huckleberry pie, okay, and some of that pops.

1078
01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:01.760
And I'm like, that was like
just inside the tree line, but

1079
01:21:01.760 --> 01:21:05.279
I couldn't see nothing. It was
close enough that I should have been able

1080
01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:09.359
to see it in my vision,
you know, because I can see right

1081
01:21:09.399 --> 01:21:11.520
in there through the trees a little
bit. I mean, there's some brush

1082
01:21:11.560 --> 01:21:15.359
and stuff, and it's it's it's
a marshy area. Even that's marshy.

1083
01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:20.840
There's a lot of dead windfalls running
through there, and I'm like, how

1084
01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:26.680
can something go through there and not
make a sound or even a print for

1085
01:21:26.720 --> 01:21:30.119
that matter. I went through there
afterwards. The only prince I found,

1086
01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:32.800
which I found in the juvenile I
now call him JJ, and he's the

1087
01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:35.760
one that made the three fast pops. It sound like a dang machine gun

1088
01:21:35.800 --> 01:21:40.560
going off. It was so fast. I was like, WHOA, that's

1089
01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:44.560
pretty cool. And next thing I
know, I looked to my left and

1090
01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:48.319
he's standing next to the alpha male, and the alpha male was still tall

1091
01:21:48.439 --> 01:21:54.479
or even squatted down than the juvenile. As the juvenile that was JJ and

1092
01:21:54.680 --> 01:21:59.720
he was doing the typical rock,
and somebody explained this why they do that.

1093
01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:03.840
When you're in the trees and you
try this going out there and you

1094
01:22:03.960 --> 01:22:09.960
rock back and forth, it gives
you more of a visual of the area

1095
01:22:10.239 --> 01:22:13.399
when you're moving back and forth like
that, in more of a three D

1096
01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:17.520
effect. I thought about that,
when you know what you're right, you

1097
01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:21.880
can see better when you're doing that
little rock back and forth. So next

1098
01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:25.880
time you're in the woods, try
that and look through there and look at

1099
01:22:25.920 --> 01:22:29.680
what you're seeing. You get to
see the angles as you move back and

1100
01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:32.000
forth, and you can see what's
behind things a little better. You get

1101
01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:38.239
more of a visual perspective. So
I thought, yeah, okay, so

1102
01:22:38.319 --> 01:22:41.760
there's there's another question that's kind of
answered, you know, and others should

1103
01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:44.560
try this, and you know,
and that's the whole thing about. The

1104
01:22:44.600 --> 01:22:47.279
more information we have, you know, the more we start to understand these

1105
01:22:47.319 --> 01:22:51.560
creatures. But I look over there
and the juveniles there, I went,

1106
01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:58.760
wow, I feel pretty honored.
He's actually introducing me to the juvenile,

1107
01:22:58.880 --> 01:23:03.800
his juvenile. That means there's a
monicum of trust there that they've already given

1108
01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:10.239
me, and you know that felt
pretty cool. You know that you're trusting

1109
01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:14.039
me enough to introduce me to your
juvenile. Well basically why he's introducing me

1110
01:23:14.119 --> 01:23:16.000
to the juvenile because when I'm up
there, in terms of the juveniles with

1111
01:23:16.039 --> 01:23:20.680
me, I'm the babysitter. That's
what it's going to come down too,

1112
01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:25.359
I think, is I know,
if he's with me, he hangs out

1113
01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:29.640
with me a lot, but he
stays fairly stealthy, but you know,

1114
01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:33.119
he's practiced in his ways. And
I think that's what a lot of the

1115
01:23:33.159 --> 01:23:39.880
tree structures in the area are as
is. The juvenile is being taught how

1116
01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:44.520
to make these structures. And I
don't know why they're being made or what

1117
01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:47.439
they mean, you know, But
and I want to take an EMF meter

1118
01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:53.600
out and start running all these and
see if their power areas because it's all

1119
01:23:53.640 --> 01:23:58.279
granite. This whole mountain is granite, but it's full of water. There

1120
01:23:58.399 --> 01:24:00.279
is water. I don't care.
We've been in a seven year drought and

1121
01:24:00.359 --> 01:24:03.560
the water still flows up there.
You can go all the way to the

1122
01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:08.319
top of the mountain, dig down
a foot even at the worst drought which

1123
01:24:08.319 --> 01:24:13.760
we've had, and still hit water. I don't. It's hard to explain

1124
01:24:13.920 --> 01:24:16.560
why this mountain is so full of
water, but it's amazing. And there's

1125
01:24:16.720 --> 01:24:20.039
a pot or yeah, set up
as a pond, but it's a spring,

1126
01:24:20.760 --> 01:24:27.399
and that's a double spring and it
flows year round and they go right

1127
01:24:27.439 --> 01:24:30.520
down to it. Somebody I think
the Forest Service has stucko hoos and they

1128
01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:35.880
use it for a waters up for
emergency, also for fires, and I

1129
01:24:35.880 --> 01:24:40.399
think they actually drink out of the
PBC pipe that was stuck down into this

1130
01:24:40.439 --> 01:24:44.720
one spring spot that really gets to
flow. And then because I find their

1131
01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:48.399
prints there impressions of where they've been
there, and it's right at the edge

1132
01:24:48.399 --> 01:24:50.960
where the water comes out of the
pipe, so I think they kind of

1133
01:24:51.000 --> 01:24:56.680
pick up the pipe and get an
easy drink instead of using their hands or

1134
01:24:56.680 --> 01:25:01.119
anything else. But back at the
other is the signing that I was having

1135
01:25:01.159 --> 01:25:04.199
on number five, which answered a
lot of the questions and answered my question

1136
01:25:04.319 --> 01:25:09.760
on how they hide in plain sight. That showed me right there exactly how

1137
01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:12.239
he does it. And I understand
it because a lot of people will see

1138
01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:16.159
a tree stump and go then it
stood up. I've heard that a lot

1139
01:25:16.199 --> 01:25:18.600
of accounts to that. You know, it's like I swore it was a

1140
01:25:18.640 --> 01:25:24.720
burnout tree stump, and then it
stood up and walked away, like yeah,

1141
01:25:24.800 --> 01:25:28.560
now I understand that. And they
answered my questions in ways like that

1142
01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:31.720
that they don't tell me or you
know, put it into my mind.

1143
01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:38.359
They show me and go, this
is how it is. And so that

1144
01:25:38.439 --> 01:25:44.520
signing lasted for forty five minutes because
I had looked at my phone when it

1145
01:25:44.560 --> 01:25:46.479
started. I looked at my phone
when it ended. It just I had

1146
01:25:46.520 --> 01:25:50.399
brought it, and everybody's like,
why didn't you take pictures? That's just

1147
01:25:50.520 --> 01:25:56.359
beyond what you know I was there
for, because the whole thing was is

1148
01:25:56.479 --> 01:25:59.279
ignore them for the most part,
and the more you ignored them, the

1149
01:25:59.279 --> 01:26:03.439
more they'd stay because He's curiosity and
how absolutely worked. And I wasn't going

1150
01:26:03.479 --> 01:26:09.119
to jeopardize it. But siding number
six, I do have pictures. They're

1151
01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:15.119
being enhanced right now by Scott Violet
from Squash America. He's got a friend

1152
01:26:15.159 --> 01:26:19.119
that enhanced a couple of his and
I said, Scott, if I send

1153
01:26:19.119 --> 01:26:24.680
you these, do you think your
friend would enhance those for me? So

1154
01:26:24.720 --> 01:26:28.880
I'm just waiting for those to come
back, because well, I'll let you

1155
01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:31.119
know when the siding when I get
to that one, and we'll get the

1156
01:26:31.119 --> 01:26:36.640
specifics on that one. But yeah, after they left, I went up

1157
01:26:38.000 --> 01:26:39.960
and I was like, well,
there's got to be a track somewhere.

1158
01:26:40.720 --> 01:26:45.239
There was a patch of snow just
probably I would say, thirty yards up

1159
01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:50.439
from where I heard the rapid pop, you know, when the juvenile came

1160
01:26:50.439 --> 01:26:54.000
in and said, well, he
came from that neighborhood, so I'm betting

1161
01:26:54.000 --> 01:26:56.880
he used the roadway to get there, or at least part of the way.

1162
01:26:57.880 --> 01:27:01.039
I found three his pre tracks.
I have pictures of one, and

1163
01:27:01.359 --> 01:27:04.359
somebody said, oh, it's ambarrass
No, there's no clause in it first

1164
01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:09.359
of all, and it's got a
really heavy mid tarso break and I mean

1165
01:27:09.359 --> 01:27:15.159
it's like about that angle. I
mean it was really really tracked from where

1166
01:27:15.159 --> 01:27:18.760
he pushed off and pushed everything up
behind it. And it was nine and

1167
01:27:18.760 --> 01:27:23.279
a half inches three and a half
inches wide, and he was five foot

1168
01:27:23.319 --> 01:27:27.279
tall. And if you do calculations
of the surface area and everything and to

1169
01:27:27.439 --> 01:27:30.960
height and weight and all, that
all matched up pretty well. So I

1170
01:27:31.039 --> 01:27:40.560
went home immediately, I called actually
I sent the print through a text to

1171
01:27:40.720 --> 01:27:46.079
Randy Sylvie. Randy Sylvie Runs was
one of the members of the Ben Bigfoot

1172
01:27:46.119 --> 01:27:55.319
Research Research Group over and Ben,
and he was part of my initial getting

1173
01:27:55.399 --> 01:27:59.680
things off my chest during the squatching
brings. He was another one that was

1174
01:27:59.720 --> 01:28:02.880
there and he was instrumental in me, you know, getting getting things out.

1175
01:28:03.520 --> 01:28:05.880
And I am not telling him my
blame it all on him. I

1176
01:28:05.920 --> 01:28:11.039
said, my whole squatching things all
your fault, all your fault, Randy

1177
01:28:12.399 --> 01:28:16.399
h Now I live it every second
of the day. No, I'm not.

1178
01:28:19.520 --> 01:28:24.720
No, I'm not infatuated with the
whole thing. No, I'm not.

1179
01:28:25.119 --> 01:28:27.319
The ex is like, that's all
you talk about, that's all you

1180
01:28:27.359 --> 01:28:32.039
think about. Yeah, well exactly, Uh yeah, I guess now I'm

1181
01:28:32.039 --> 01:28:36.800
teaching others as well. But I
sent the print to him. He got

1182
01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:40.640
a hold of one of his group
members, Shannon Munson, and she was

1183
01:28:40.760 --> 01:28:43.880
down here in Grant's Pass, trying
to get us hooked up so she'd come

1184
01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:46.239
out, maybe cast the Prince and
you know, I could tell my story

1185
01:28:46.279 --> 01:28:49.640
and we could measure the whole site
and do the whole nine yards. But

1186
01:28:49.800 --> 01:28:54.960
she was down visiting family and it
didn't quite work out to where she was

1187
01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:59.439
able to come down. So at
last minute before dark and she finally said,

1188
01:28:59.439 --> 01:29:00.720
well, I'm not gonna be able
to make it out. You know,

1189
01:29:00.760 --> 01:29:03.640
we got all these things happening,
and it's just been too busy.

1190
01:29:04.680 --> 01:29:12.960
I had right for loads, picked
up a twenty five pound bag of hydrocal

1191
01:29:13.159 --> 01:29:15.920
and headed back for the woods.
But by the time I got back up

1192
01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:19.960
there, because there was seventy two
degrees that day, same as when I

1193
01:29:20.039 --> 01:29:26.119
found the track way funny how that
happened the same way, come to think

1194
01:29:26.159 --> 01:29:29.840
of it, and a lot of
it had melted out. I had found

1195
01:29:29.880 --> 01:29:34.760
one track that was seventeen and a
half inches of the alpha male, which

1196
01:29:34.840 --> 01:29:39.760
was up because where he was there's
actually a logging road right there, an

1197
01:29:39.760 --> 01:29:44.119
old overgrown logging road that goes all
the way around the Triangle marsh and just

1198
01:29:44.159 --> 01:29:48.439
heads on tours where I initially heard
his first pop when I asked for a

1199
01:29:48.439 --> 01:29:56.279
tree knock. And but there was
one or that one two three four prints

1200
01:29:56.279 --> 01:30:00.359
in the snow. One I could
see his toes in, but they weren't

1201
01:30:00.399 --> 01:30:04.119
good enough because the Senate Order had
been beaten down on that and they weren't

1202
01:30:04.119 --> 01:30:08.560
good enough to cast. But the
one for the juvenile was good enough to

1203
01:30:08.600 --> 01:30:11.279
cast. But by the time I
got back up there had melted out so

1204
01:30:11.359 --> 01:30:16.760
much that one of the prints was
almost completely gone. I had measured thirty

1205
01:30:16.800 --> 01:30:23.319
two inches between the first and the
second print and thirty four between the second

1206
01:30:23.319 --> 01:30:28.119
and third print, from heel to
toe, heeled the toe, healed the

1207
01:30:28.159 --> 01:30:30.600
toe all the way up, so
it was accurate, and so all I

1208
01:30:30.640 --> 01:30:35.479
got was pictures and then I learned
afterwards. Cliff Perkins says he did a

1209
01:30:35.520 --> 01:30:42.880
short little video on how to photograph
and cast. He says that you photographed

1210
01:30:42.880 --> 01:30:49.680
them from five different angles forty five
degrees left, right, backside, and

1211
01:30:50.079 --> 01:30:55.000
forward side, then one directly over
the top. So I learned all that

1212
01:30:55.119 --> 01:31:00.359
after the fact, of course.
So yeah, So unfortunately there was another

1213
01:31:00.359 --> 01:31:02.359
one I blew. But I do
have a pretty good picture of that first

1214
01:31:02.359 --> 01:31:10.439
print, and that was it.
Unfortunately, I was hooked from that point

1215
01:31:10.439 --> 01:31:13.199
on. I was like, okay, Tom, and I got ahold of

1216
01:31:13.239 --> 01:31:16.239
Tom, and I said, Tom, you know, I was trying to

1217
01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:20.319
call bs on you. I love
you, but you know, um,

1218
01:31:21.680 --> 01:31:25.239
a lot of people think, you
know, you guys are the wood crowd

1219
01:31:25.239 --> 01:31:29.960
and you're you're half nuts. But
I said, it absolutely worked. My

1220
01:31:30.119 --> 01:31:36.640
first time out to go to the
woods and to encounter a sasquatch with purpose

1221
01:31:38.319 --> 01:31:42.359
to be there to encounter a sasquatch, and did it in the way that

1222
01:31:42.359 --> 01:31:46.600
that he was describing to do,
which he calls armchair squatching. And it

1223
01:31:46.680 --> 01:31:53.359
absolutely worked the first time out.
So from that point on, I'm a

1224
01:31:53.399 --> 01:32:00.880
researcher and I've been going there every
chance I get since then. Have you

1225
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:13.640
ever experienced you mentioned whistles and pops, which we talked about. Have you

1226
01:32:13.640 --> 01:32:18.479
ever meant, have you ever noticed
or heard any vocalizations besides that at all

1227
01:32:18.520 --> 01:32:26.119
when you're out there? One very
strange one not too far up, probably

1228
01:32:26.159 --> 01:32:30.319
within I would say a quarter mile
was the first X in the area that

1229
01:32:31.079 --> 01:32:35.159
I mean, really nice one too. It's been since destroyed. I was

1230
01:32:35.199 --> 01:32:39.399
glad my son got to see it, because about a week later it had

1231
01:32:39.439 --> 01:32:43.000
been destroyed. I think it was
the Four Services destroying you know some of

1232
01:32:43.000 --> 01:32:46.359
the structures that are up there,
and I called it the phone booth.

1233
01:32:46.960 --> 01:32:50.520
There was a rock he a second, let me go grab it all right?

1234
01:33:15.079 --> 01:33:19.039
All right now under this rather large
X. Uh. These logs were

1235
01:33:19.079 --> 01:33:25.279
probably I would say one was about
ten inches and the other one was probably

1236
01:33:25.319 --> 01:33:30.119
twelve inches in diameter. One was
held up by a madrone tree that was

1237
01:33:30.239 --> 01:33:31.359
right there, that was dead,
but it had a y in it.

1238
01:33:31.439 --> 01:33:36.119
And they tend to use a lot
of wise that they find in trees.

1239
01:33:38.680 --> 01:33:41.399
Just makes it easier, you know, why not, especially if you're by

1240
01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:44.640
yourself building one. You know,
I used to do this as a contractor

1241
01:33:44.840 --> 01:33:46.199
where I would, you know,
make myself a little helper things, and

1242
01:33:46.279 --> 01:33:50.439
they use these ys. But one
on one end, which was about end

1243
01:33:50.960 --> 01:33:57.359
was hooked on that. Why but
under exactly center, under that X was

1244
01:33:57.399 --> 01:34:02.800
this rock right here, and it's
a decomposed granted, I have pictures of

1245
01:34:02.840 --> 01:34:10.159
it when it was just standing up
and you could see the outline of it

1246
01:34:10.239 --> 01:34:14.920
in the ground from where it was
impressed in the ground. And it had

1247
01:34:14.960 --> 01:34:17.239
probably been there for you know,
twenty thirty years. For some reason,

1248
01:34:17.399 --> 01:34:21.279
something picked it up and stood it
up. And so the picture, the

1249
01:34:21.319 --> 01:34:25.600
first picture I ever took of it, you can see the impression which is

1250
01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:29.640
probably close to an inch deep.
So you know, this rock, this

1251
01:34:29.720 --> 01:34:33.479
rock has been laying there for probably
fifty sixty eight one hundred years, you

1252
01:34:33.560 --> 01:34:40.600
know. So I call it the
phone booth for a reason because when I

1253
01:34:40.640 --> 01:34:46.199
get there, the juvenile usually ends
up coming up and hanging out with me

1254
01:34:46.279 --> 01:34:50.359
for the day or at least for
a while. So I was up there

1255
01:34:50.399 --> 01:34:54.680
one day and this is where I
really started going in to phone booth.

1256
01:34:55.239 --> 01:35:00.840
I heard the strangest scream from down
below in the valley, and it was

1257
01:35:00.880 --> 01:35:06.439
so strange I can't even describe it. And that was, believe it or

1258
01:35:06.439 --> 01:35:13.000
not, that's the only vocalization I've
ever heard problem And because I'm not there

1259
01:35:13.039 --> 01:35:15.439
to night, you know when I
think they feel more comfortable doing vocalizations at

1260
01:35:15.520 --> 01:35:19.760
night than they do in the daytime
because they feel there's nobody out there or

1261
01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:25.680
nobody really paying attention to what's going
on out there. So that's one of

1262
01:35:25.720 --> 01:35:29.439
my new things is if you're getting
a really nice sound recorder, a digital

1263
01:35:29.479 --> 01:35:32.479
recorder that's coming up here soon.
You know, I'm a budget squatcher.

1264
01:35:33.439 --> 01:35:38.720
I use what I have. I
mean, my latest purchase was a i

1265
01:35:39.039 --> 01:35:45.319
R Infred four K video camera that
takes thirty megapixel stills as well as video.

1266
01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:47.199
So I was like, well,
thirty megapixels, I could blow that

1267
01:35:47.319 --> 01:35:53.000
up the side of a house and
get detail. So unfortunately, the picture

1268
01:35:53.000 --> 01:35:57.800
I took of the female sasquatch was
on my phone, so you know it

1269
01:35:57.880 --> 01:36:00.880
pixel l it's a little too quickly, and it's an older phone, so

1270
01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:04.760
it's like point three megapixel, so
it's not really detailed. That's why it's

1271
01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:10.119
being enhanced. But I heard that
call, and what I think it was

1272
01:36:10.520 --> 01:36:17.279
is they said we'll play bill and
it was an excitement call that it was

1273
01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:21.079
made by the juvenile. It was
a very strange, strange call. But

1274
01:36:23.199 --> 01:36:28.439
it wasn't more than two or three
minutes later. I here summum coming up

1275
01:36:28.439 --> 01:36:31.399
the mountain. I can beat on
footsteps, just kind of a happy little

1276
01:36:31.399 --> 01:36:36.159
walk coming up the hill. And
then I heard it again, summumsumtum.

1277
01:36:36.640 --> 01:36:40.760
I'm like, man, that's got
some power and weight to it. I

1278
01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:44.119
said, that's got to be the
juvenile come up the mountain. And by

1279
01:36:44.159 --> 01:36:47.520
the third set I heard, because
each of them was about six or eight

1280
01:36:47.560 --> 01:36:51.000
steps, you know, sum sum
tum tum tum, and you could just

1281
01:36:51.239 --> 01:36:56.640
absolutely hear it. Just power hit
in the ground. And I should have

1282
01:36:56.680 --> 01:37:00.760
been able to see him. And
I'm looking, I'm going, you know,

1283
01:37:00.800 --> 01:37:02.239
because I can see right down through
the trees all the way down.

1284
01:37:02.279 --> 01:37:05.600
I'm like, I should be able
to see where those steps are coming from.

1285
01:37:05.640 --> 01:37:10.760
Couldn't see him. I can't hear
them, but I couldn't visually see

1286
01:37:10.800 --> 01:37:14.479
him. So that's what got me
to kind of start and go towards the

1287
01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:17.720
camp of will. Maybe there's something
to this cloaking thing, you know that

1288
01:37:17.800 --> 01:37:21.239
they are able to go, or
either that or do something to your mind

1289
01:37:21.279 --> 01:37:25.479
to where you know they're taking themselves
out of your mind for the As far

1290
01:37:25.520 --> 01:37:28.800
as seeing them, I don't know, you know, but the cloaking makes

1291
01:37:28.920 --> 01:37:34.279
more sense because that seems to be
a lot of people seeing that. And

1292
01:37:35.439 --> 01:37:40.319
so I'm there, I'm going,
Okay, I hear you. I'm sure

1293
01:37:40.319 --> 01:37:45.079
it's you, JJ, which is
what I've named you, and I used

1294
01:37:45.079 --> 01:37:48.479
to just call him Junior. Then
I switched to JJ, and thought wise

1295
01:37:48.520 --> 01:37:54.039
to me, the feeling was that
you liked that better. So, but

1296
01:37:54.199 --> 01:37:57.760
there's a culvert off to my left
where this is at. It just off

1297
01:37:58.239 --> 01:38:02.279
runs under the roadway and it's a
better stick spot covert, and but it's

1298
01:38:02.359 --> 01:38:05.680
straight down off the roadway. You
know, i'd have to use repelling her

1299
01:38:05.760 --> 01:38:09.079
to get down there. And I
wish I'd had to drone at the time

1300
01:38:09.119 --> 01:38:13.000
because I would have nailed him inside
that covert. He's in there plane in

1301
01:38:13.000 --> 01:38:15.760
the water. I can hear how
you know when you brush water and it

1302
01:38:15.840 --> 01:38:18.920
just kind of humps up into a
wave and he's pushing out of this covert.

1303
01:38:19.359 --> 01:38:23.359
And when I said I'm poking beans
show to Talk's like, well,

1304
01:38:23.439 --> 01:38:29.399
that's not really a word. Spoosh, that's a word to me. Mike

1305
01:38:29.439 --> 01:38:30.920
came to my rescue hero. He's
like, oh, no, Bill said

1306
01:38:30.920 --> 01:38:36.520
it. It's a word, but
that's he did that several times. He's

1307
01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:41.359
inside that thing, playing in the
water, and I can hear him in

1308
01:38:41.399 --> 01:38:43.720
there, and I'm like, man, you little snot. You know.

1309
01:38:43.800 --> 01:38:45.520
I can't get down there, you
know, and I know you're in there.

1310
01:38:46.600 --> 01:38:49.640
And so he's in there, planing
in the water doing his little thing,

1311
01:38:49.800 --> 01:38:54.119
moving the water out and just pushing
it out in the waves. I

1312
01:38:54.199 --> 01:38:56.560
said, well, at least you're
getting a bath. You probably stink.

1313
01:38:59.079 --> 01:39:01.439
I talked to him, they're my
best friend, I really do, you

1314
01:39:01.479 --> 01:39:04.680
know, I give them crap whatever
it takes. I talked to him like

1315
01:39:04.680 --> 01:39:09.000
they're my best friend or a family
member, you know, like they're one

1316
01:39:09.000 --> 01:39:13.319
of the family. And I think
that actually goes a long ways with them,

1317
01:39:13.359 --> 01:39:17.359
It really does, you know,
because that gives them me showing that

1318
01:39:17.399 --> 01:39:23.039
I've accepted them accepted them for what
they are, and I absolutely have.

1319
01:39:23.880 --> 01:39:26.840
But yeah, so the next time
I was up there, it was just

1320
01:39:26.880 --> 01:39:30.199
a couple of weeks later, and
I'm at the phone move and the rock

1321
01:39:30.279 --> 01:39:35.479
had been moved. So we started
playing this little game. I know it

1322
01:39:35.560 --> 01:39:40.119
was the juvenile. I put it
back in the hole, stood it back

1323
01:39:40.239 --> 01:39:43.600
up, and we did We've been
doing this for We did this for over

1324
01:39:43.640 --> 01:39:46.319
a year of standing it back,
going back up. And the only reason

1325
01:39:46.359 --> 01:39:50.680
I took the rock is because the
structure was completely destroyed. Yeah, I

1326
01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:55.520
mean there is. It is just
wasted. You can never tell that it

1327
01:39:55.560 --> 01:39:59.359
was ever an X of any sort. Well, I gotten up there about

1328
01:39:59.359 --> 01:40:03.479
a week later, or actually a
couple of weeks later, and I hear

1329
01:40:03.560 --> 01:40:08.439
this whistling. It's on top of
the mountain, the opposite way of where

1330
01:40:08.439 --> 01:40:12.000
it came from the first time,
and just an excited whistle, like he's

1331
01:40:12.079 --> 01:40:15.199
up there, and you go,
who bills there? All right? And

1332
01:40:15.239 --> 01:40:17.600
then he kind of hung out with
me for a couple hours. And when

1333
01:40:17.600 --> 01:40:20.439
I'm driving up in there, I'm
always looking for new things, and I'm

1334
01:40:20.479 --> 01:40:24.520
looking for trails, looking for the
deer trails, see how much food there

1335
01:40:24.600 --> 01:40:27.720
is, and you know, that
they're not over hunting, you know the

1336
01:40:27.800 --> 01:40:30.359
area, because I want them to
be there a long time so I can

1337
01:40:30.560 --> 01:40:34.359
access them, and I can hear
him just inside the tree line following me

1338
01:40:34.479 --> 01:40:39.680
up as I'm going. I got
my windows down and I just hear your

1339
01:40:39.720 --> 01:40:43.640
footsteps coming through and just kind of
going with me as I go up the

1340
01:40:43.720 --> 01:40:48.720
roadway. And most of the activity
that I have has been where the springs

1341
01:40:48.760 --> 01:40:53.960
are, and so I usually make
a line up to the spring. There's

1342
01:40:53.960 --> 01:40:59.880
a spot there that I call actually
the dining room, and it's between the

1343
01:41:00.039 --> 01:41:05.479
getting into the accessed road and where
the spring is. And because there's archways

1344
01:41:05.520 --> 01:41:12.319
weave there, there's lots of arched
structures that are in there. There's tepee

1345
01:41:12.359 --> 01:41:15.800
structures that are in there. There's
one that all the trees are put up

1346
01:41:15.800 --> 01:41:20.680
in a tepee, but there's one
that is fort that comes around and it's

1347
01:41:20.840 --> 01:41:26.880
against the other tree, and this
other log is fed up through the fort,

1348
01:41:27.000 --> 01:41:31.720
which sorry, that doesn't happen in
nature. It's absolutely impossible. And

1349
01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:36.840
the moment the fork in it is
broke at the tip and laid over into

1350
01:41:36.880 --> 01:41:43.439
this tree just exactly where it would
fit perfectly, and it's still attached still

1351
01:41:43.479 --> 01:41:46.399
attached to the bottom section. It's
just at a ninety degree leaned up against

1352
01:41:46.399 --> 01:41:48.760
the tree with the other one stuck
through it and other one's around it.

1353
01:41:49.600 --> 01:41:54.479
A matter of fact, when I
was there the other day, I just

1354
01:41:54.520 --> 01:41:56.880
got back from beach poot. It's
like, I gotta go to my area.

1355
01:41:57.600 --> 01:42:00.880
I can't help, but I gotta
go up there. Actually look like

1356
01:42:00.159 --> 01:42:03.840
there'd been some added to it since
then, so that was kind of neat.

1357
01:42:04.119 --> 01:42:08.399
But yeah, I captured the rock
and decided I was keeping that puppy,

1358
01:42:08.600 --> 01:42:11.880
you know, because that kind of
meant something for a thing between me

1359
01:42:11.920 --> 01:42:19.359
and the juvenile. So but the
next setting, which would be my number

1360
01:42:19.399 --> 01:42:24.079
six and my last one, just
for getting up their time wise here,

1361
01:42:25.079 --> 01:42:29.119
well, I have to work too, I am if you notice. Oh

1362
01:42:29.199 --> 01:42:31.359
here we go in my working year
for him. So I worked. I

1363
01:42:31.399 --> 01:42:35.720
worked knockshift at Food for Less here
in Medford. So if anybody wants to

1364
01:42:35.760 --> 01:42:40.640
stop buying, chat with me.
I'm on Aisle two. I'm the condiments

1365
01:42:40.680 --> 01:42:43.920
guy. I left all the heavy
glass stuff, pickles and all that fun

1366
01:42:43.960 --> 01:42:48.039
stuff. And you know we can
chat while I work because I won't stop

1367
01:42:48.079 --> 01:42:55.800
working unless I have time. But
I will chat with you so, and

1368
01:42:55.880 --> 01:43:00.720
also Scott has asked me. Scott
from Squash America has asked me to if

1369
01:43:00.760 --> 01:43:04.880
I would be his report taker for
southern Oregon area. Oh that's cool.

1370
01:43:05.359 --> 01:43:09.399
So I felt pretty honored. Now
I looked at him as a Scott,

1371
01:43:10.680 --> 01:43:16.319
I am strictly a field researcher.
But all these reports actually will help me,

1372
01:43:17.039 --> 01:43:21.319
you know, and as far as
understanding and things along that line,

1373
01:43:21.399 --> 01:43:25.319
and who knows, I'd get some
casts out of it and whatever else,

1374
01:43:25.359 --> 01:43:30.880
you know, and I get you
probably help these people kind of understand what's

1375
01:43:30.920 --> 01:43:33.600
really happening, and because because it
does freak out a lot of people and

1376
01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:36.920
kind of calm them and let them
know that, hey, they're they're not

1377
01:43:36.960 --> 01:43:43.359
what she thinks they are. They
look scary, but they're actually quite gentle,

1378
01:43:43.600 --> 01:43:51.319
very family oriented, and actually very
gentle creatures. So my next side,

1379
01:43:51.359 --> 01:43:55.960
oh oh my, my fifth siding. That was on March twenty seventh,

1380
01:43:56.039 --> 01:44:00.479
twenty twenty one, by the way, And so somebody can look up

1381
01:44:00.479 --> 01:44:04.760
the podcast Support and Beans and find
the little section where Tom said, you

1382
01:44:04.800 --> 01:44:08.920
know, about the connections and all
that, and that put you all in

1383
01:44:08.960 --> 01:44:12.119
the same time area. And you
and I have been trying to link up

1384
01:44:12.119 --> 01:44:16.239
for I got I think almost a
year or over a year, at least

1385
01:44:16.279 --> 01:44:19.880
a year. Yeah, it's it's
been a while, but I was hoping

1386
01:44:19.880 --> 01:44:23.279
for you know, well, I
was prepared to do the other one.

1387
01:44:23.319 --> 01:44:26.039
And that was the whole thing I
want to before I got on years is

1388
01:44:26.399 --> 01:44:30.199
to be more comfortable with talking about
things. You know. I didn't want

1389
01:44:30.199 --> 01:44:32.760
to be out there going or have
to have anything in front of me.

1390
01:44:33.000 --> 01:44:35.680
You know, there's nothing in front
of me. These are all for memory,

1391
01:44:35.680 --> 01:44:40.359
and they'll be the same every time, you know, because this is

1392
01:44:40.439 --> 01:44:44.479
this is what I experienced, this
is what I saw. So I became

1393
01:44:44.520 --> 01:44:49.279
a researcher, so I started documenting. The area that I'm in is a

1394
01:44:49.399 --> 01:44:53.880
nice little valley. It goes from
thirty two hundred feet at the base of

1395
01:44:53.880 --> 01:44:57.880
the valley up to fifty two hundred
feet at the top of the valley.

1396
01:44:57.920 --> 01:45:01.960
There's a road that goes up ways
and connects at the top. Then there's

1397
01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:06.079
another one. It's a connection to
top that goes over the mountain and down

1398
01:45:06.119 --> 01:45:10.640
the other side there. So it's
all in the same area and most of

1399
01:45:10.680 --> 01:45:15.079
all the activity as far as structures
everything are in this little valley. It's

1400
01:45:15.079 --> 01:45:19.840
a thirteen mile loop from start to
finish. I can start from the highway,

1401
01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:24.279
go up, run the third run
the loop, come across, and

1402
01:45:24.319 --> 01:45:28.560
then there's another road that cuts through
that goes across the springs that connects at

1403
01:45:28.560 --> 01:45:30.960
the bottom of the valley. But
it's a full thirteen mile loop all the

1404
01:45:30.960 --> 01:45:35.800
way around Lucky number thirteen. It's
not bad luck. It's actually a good

1405
01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:43.960
luck. But from I started documenting
all the structures, and believe me,

1406
01:45:44.039 --> 01:45:48.960
I sent you just tiny, tiny
little piece. I've got hundreds of tree

1407
01:45:48.960 --> 01:45:57.960
breaks, of archways, I've got
I think seven asterisks, I've got tridents,

1408
01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:02.479
I've got stars. A matter of
fact, I found one on my

1409
01:46:02.720 --> 01:46:05.520
I buried my cat up there last
December, and it was in the middle

1410
01:46:05.560 --> 01:46:12.000
of a really really heavy wind store. So I was thinking in my mind

1411
01:46:12.079 --> 01:46:15.840
that this is where I wanted to
go, and and thinking to them,

1412
01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:18.680
you know, kind of sending messages
to them that I wanted to bury my

1413
01:46:18.720 --> 01:46:21.199
cat up there. It's the spring, you know, because she was special.

1414
01:46:21.960 --> 01:46:26.560
She was my best little buddy,
even though it was the excess cat.

1415
01:46:27.359 --> 01:46:30.079
You know, we she became a
nice little buddy, you know how

1416
01:46:30.079 --> 01:46:36.319
I am with animals. So so
I started thinking in my mind that I

1417
01:46:36.359 --> 01:46:40.119
want to come up there, and
I'm going to need the road clear because

1418
01:46:40.159 --> 01:46:43.359
I know there's nobody's been able to
go up there because we're still in the

1419
01:46:43.359 --> 01:46:48.640
middle of the store. And so
I'm preparing to go up. I've got

1420
01:46:48.640 --> 01:46:54.760
my cat all prepared and everything,
and I do it in a native way

1421
01:46:55.239 --> 01:47:00.720
because she was a friend and part
of the family. So I'm thinking to

1422
01:47:00.800 --> 01:47:02.800
him, I need the road clearer. Well, there's no way I could

1423
01:47:02.840 --> 01:47:06.439
have gone up there without trees being
across the road, you know, at

1424
01:47:06.520 --> 01:47:09.920
least in three or four places.
A matter of fact, I think I

1425
01:47:10.000 --> 01:47:15.039
counted five different spots where there had
been trees that came down in the wind

1426
01:47:15.319 --> 01:47:20.159
dead falls or wind falls, and
I asked them. I told them pictured

1427
01:47:20.199 --> 01:47:24.039
in my mind what route I was
taking up there, because there's a couple

1428
01:47:24.039 --> 01:47:27.520
of ways I can get there,
actually probably about five different routes I can

1429
01:47:27.560 --> 01:47:33.640
get there, but it is actually
quite remote. The nearest town is in

1430
01:47:33.640 --> 01:47:39.239
one direction, and I'm talking to
town of like probably fifty sixty people.

1431
01:47:40.119 --> 01:47:45.399
One way is like fifteen miles,
the other way it's ten miles, and

1432
01:47:46.439 --> 01:47:53.720
there is two places on the in
between between the main road and the other

1433
01:47:53.880 --> 01:47:58.159
connecting road that runs up the other
side of the valley that are close to

1434
01:47:58.199 --> 01:48:00.760
the roadway, but that's still from
where my sidings have been, at least

1435
01:48:00.760 --> 01:48:05.920
three miles away, and the houses
coming up one way, the closest there

1436
01:48:06.119 --> 01:48:12.439
is is about six miles away.
Going over the mountain, you're looking at

1437
01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:18.359
about fifteen miles. Going the other
direction of the ten miles, there's a

1438
01:48:18.359 --> 01:48:24.479
few little scattered houses and one little
town there. It's not really a town,

1439
01:48:24.520 --> 01:48:28.840
it's just a handful of houses and
that's it. So it is actually

1440
01:48:28.880 --> 01:48:34.319
more remote than you think, but
remote but easily accessible because the roadways that

1441
01:48:34.359 --> 01:48:42.520
are in there. But from started
documenting all these different structures and things that

1442
01:48:42.560 --> 01:48:45.600
you know, I had seen,
and you know, finding Bigfoot actually helped

1443
01:48:45.640 --> 01:48:48.239
me with us because you know,
they were showing tree structures and different things

1444
01:48:48.319 --> 01:48:53.119
and I went, wow, I've
got those. I was looking at the

1445
01:48:53.199 --> 01:48:59.439
shows like Yahwi Central and finding they've
got the same stuff in Australia. Looking

1446
01:48:59.479 --> 01:49:03.319
over at some sites in Europe,
in Great Britain. They don't have a

1447
01:49:03.479 --> 01:49:08.800
lot of contact over there, but
they do have contact and there are very

1448
01:49:08.840 --> 01:49:16.079
similar tree structures Vietnam, China,
just all over the world. Everywhere you

1449
01:49:16.119 --> 01:49:20.720
go. The only place is Antarctica
that would be void of them things that

1450
01:49:20.760 --> 01:49:28.720
are in Alaska, Canada, Mexico, South America. These creatures are everywhere.

1451
01:49:30.399 --> 01:49:33.399
People just don't realize how many there
really are, and they like the

1452
01:49:33.640 --> 01:49:39.840
Hicheck figures, probably about sixty five. Actually, I think there's much more.

1453
01:49:41.439 --> 01:49:45.199
I think there's much more. I
think they're in the tens of thousands.

1454
01:49:45.960 --> 01:49:48.760
It's just they're scattered all over the
world, and they're scattered in the

1455
01:49:48.800 --> 01:49:54.079
areas that we don't go. I
mean they go up stuff that No,

1456
01:49:54.279 --> 01:49:57.720
I'm not going up there. You
know. I'm very careful because I do

1457
01:49:57.800 --> 01:50:01.840
this all by myself, and so
I'm very cautious not to get injured.

1458
01:50:03.119 --> 01:50:06.960
Um. I actually have a sasquatch
killed bear sitting out here in my shed.

1459
01:50:08.920 --> 01:50:14.920
The back legs were tucked up inside
of the rib cage. Wait can

1460
01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:20.079
you repeat that way? I have
a sasquatch killed bear. Okay, the

1461
01:50:20.199 --> 01:50:25.920
neck is rung like a rung out
washcloth. The skull and everything's still in

1462
01:50:26.000 --> 01:50:31.119
there. All the pause were pinched
off at least the front two the head

1463
01:50:31.279 --> 01:50:36.920
still encased in the skin, all
twisted up, and the back pause were

1464
01:50:36.960 --> 01:50:45.920
still attached to the skin, but
not in the body. Yeah. Yeah,

1465
01:50:45.439 --> 01:50:47.760
it'll blow your mind, I said, I said, I said,

1466
01:50:48.000 --> 01:50:50.479
there's only a couple of people that
know about this. Now you all know

1467
01:50:50.560 --> 01:50:59.079
about it. Well that okay,
okay, we're safe. Explained to me.

1468
01:50:59.159 --> 01:51:03.119
What so did you I'd like,
you found like a bear or I

1469
01:51:03.239 --> 01:51:08.319
was on my way back from my
visiting my grandchildren. So I took the

1470
01:51:08.399 --> 01:51:12.319
back roads, and which you know, because I hate taking the freeway.

1471
01:51:12.359 --> 01:51:15.199
I hate taking the same way.
It's just boring. And I was like,

1472
01:51:15.319 --> 01:51:18.039
no, you're not going to stop
by your area. No you're going

1473
01:51:18.079 --> 01:51:20.319
to buy it. No you're not
gonna stop by it. Oh yeah you

1474
01:51:20.359 --> 01:51:24.000
are. You're gonna stop by your
area and go check on it. So

1475
01:51:24.039 --> 01:51:27.640
I get up this one area and
it's it's the spot between where you turn

1476
01:51:27.720 --> 01:51:31.239
off on the cut off road at
the basis of the area to the spring.

1477
01:51:32.399 --> 01:51:38.159
And I call it the now I
call it their dining room or the

1478
01:51:38.239 --> 01:51:44.159
kitchen. After I found the bear. But I pulled up there and there's

1479
01:51:44.199 --> 01:51:46.640
this arch tree that's right there,
and that's where I leave my offerings is

1480
01:51:46.640 --> 01:51:49.800
on that tree. But what I
hate to leave there is because it's very

1481
01:51:49.880 --> 01:51:53.680
visible from the roadway, so anybody
could go up and you know, just

1482
01:51:54.279 --> 01:51:57.560
destroy whatever I've got there. So
I've learned to go to the back of

1483
01:51:57.600 --> 01:52:00.239
one of the trees close to that
and tack like a bag on with some

1484
01:52:00.319 --> 01:52:05.760
tacks and put fruit in, garlic
and tangerines. That's what I left the

1485
01:52:05.840 --> 01:52:12.039
last time last week. And uh, but I took pictures of this when

1486
01:52:12.239 --> 01:52:16.159
the first day I found it,
and it had the meat had just there

1487
01:52:16.239 --> 01:52:20.680
was just a very very miscule layer
of meat on the ribs that I could

1488
01:52:20.720 --> 01:52:27.960
see, and a little bit back
on the pelvic carrea and you can see

1489
01:52:28.039 --> 01:52:30.039
the grade because the meat, you
know, after about twenty four hours,

1490
01:52:30.039 --> 01:52:33.439
it's going to turn gray, especially
if it's really thin, any meats that's

1491
01:52:33.520 --> 01:52:41.880
leapt out. And it was like
the meat had been stripped off just right

1492
01:52:41.920 --> 01:52:45.600
down just before that tough layer you
know that you get in the ribs,

1493
01:52:45.840 --> 01:52:48.199
you know, the pieces that were
always going on and pulling. You know.

1494
01:52:48.560 --> 01:52:53.039
I don't think it's digestible, but
we eat it anyways. At least

1495
01:52:53.079 --> 01:52:58.199
I do have a carnivore. I'm
sorry, I love it, but it

1496
01:52:58.279 --> 01:53:00.199
had had that gray layer eat on
there. I was like, wow,

1497
01:53:00.680 --> 01:53:03.960
this is fresh. I didn't know
what it was because it's straight down a

1498
01:53:04.000 --> 01:53:08.600
bank, you know, and it's
like, I'm not getting myself hurt going

1499
01:53:08.640 --> 01:53:12.119
down there. And I was just
in there just to check on the area

1500
01:53:12.159 --> 01:53:14.720
anyhow. But that's what I discovered. So I took pictures of it that

1501
01:53:14.840 --> 01:53:17.600
very day, so I have those
pictures to compare it to when I actually

1502
01:53:18.840 --> 01:53:25.279
got to carcass And the cool part
is, and I think they knew I

1503
01:53:25.359 --> 01:53:28.920
was going to ask for this bear
is through one of the vertebrates of the

1504
01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:33.640
neck was a stick stuck through the
vertebrae. It didn't fall that way because

1505
01:53:33.640 --> 01:53:38.159
it's like, you know, let
me get out here. Hard to get

1506
01:53:38.199 --> 01:53:40.840
the camera, it takes a minute. It was like this far through the

1507
01:53:40.920 --> 01:53:45.720
vertebrae. So if it fell,
it shot right through this neckbone because it

1508
01:53:45.720 --> 01:53:49.039
wouldn't go down this way. It
had to be stuck through the vertebrae.

1509
01:53:49.279 --> 01:53:54.359
And then another stick and guess what
I had at the neck and X and

1510
01:53:54.800 --> 01:53:57.960
so the folks, I got to
tell you one thing I really want to

1511
01:53:57.960 --> 01:54:01.199
express to you and drive home as
an X does not mean keep out.

1512
01:54:01.239 --> 01:54:05.079
When it comes to sasquatches, remember
they're very similar to us. But they're

1513
01:54:05.079 --> 01:54:10.680
not us, and their language is
different than ours. But I am finding

1514
01:54:10.720 --> 01:54:15.279
that all the exes that I find
are a welcome sign, their actually welcome,

1515
01:54:15.840 --> 01:54:19.800
welcome me you to the area.
They know you're coming. And if

1516
01:54:19.840 --> 01:54:26.039
you recognize that it was meant for
you, it was absolutely meant and put

1517
01:54:26.079 --> 01:54:29.800
there for you. And so those
are the places if you want to go,

1518
01:54:29.840 --> 01:54:32.399
squatch and that's where you start,
that's where you want to go.

1519
01:54:32.920 --> 01:54:35.199
But there was an ax at the
neck because they already knew I was going

1520
01:54:35.279 --> 01:54:38.640
to take it. They already knew
I was going to ask, and I

1521
01:54:38.680 --> 01:54:42.560
asked them permission for it, you
know, I asked for just like when

1522
01:54:42.560 --> 01:54:46.720
I took the photographs of the female, I asked permission and I explained like

1523
01:54:46.840 --> 01:54:50.159
I needed to. She already knew
what they were, knew what to photograph

1524
01:54:50.279 --> 01:54:53.199
us, because like I said,
they can look in your mind. They

1525
01:54:53.199 --> 01:54:57.960
can get any information they want,
and you can't hide anything from them,

1526
01:54:58.000 --> 01:55:01.720
and don't try. It's not worth
it. And I'm armed. They don't

1527
01:55:01.720 --> 01:55:05.560
mind me being armed, and the
reason why is because they know it's not

1528
01:55:05.640 --> 01:55:09.600
for them, and I have no
intention of every fire and at them and

1529
01:55:09.680 --> 01:55:13.600
just piss them off. You know, like me getting hit with a baby's

1530
01:55:13.640 --> 01:55:20.760
like because now I'm mad. But
I I wasn't able to go up to

1531
01:55:20.800 --> 01:55:27.439
the area for a while, so
I came back in seven weeks, Jeremiah.

1532
01:55:27.640 --> 01:55:31.399
It had not been touched. That
does not happen in nature. That's

1533
01:55:31.439 --> 01:55:36.319
a weird man. That does not
happen when a deer or anything. You

1534
01:55:36.359 --> 01:55:40.039
find a road kill, Um,
go back a week later. Tell me

1535
01:55:40.079 --> 01:55:44.000
what's left of it. Yeah,
tell me what's left of it. Find

1536
01:55:44.119 --> 01:55:46.359
pieces of it. You might find
a few pieces here, maybe a rib

1537
01:55:46.399 --> 01:55:51.560
bone here, maybe a leg bone
over here, but it's going to be

1538
01:55:51.720 --> 01:55:57.239
gone. The forest tends to clean
up after itself. Yeah, we have

1539
01:55:57.680 --> 01:56:01.479
the first stage. You're looking at
ray and turkey vultures. They go in

1540
01:56:01.560 --> 01:56:04.960
they take whatever they can of any
meat and sinews that are left, and

1541
01:56:05.199 --> 01:56:10.119
you know, any cartilages, and
they removed that. And that's what got

1542
01:56:10.119 --> 01:56:13.920
my attention. The second time of
going up there and finding the carcasses I

1543
01:56:14.479 --> 01:56:18.000
came upon and I'm looking at feathers. Turkey vultures were there, and they're

1544
01:56:18.079 --> 01:56:26.000
kind of I have always been one
of my spirit guides because we're the ones

1545
01:56:26.039 --> 01:56:30.199
that clean up the messes and that's
always kind of in my four days,

1546
01:56:30.279 --> 01:56:33.479
and you know, when it hits
the fan, I'm the one that helps

1547
01:56:33.960 --> 01:56:40.159
make everything okay and figure everything out
and stay calm and clear, clear everything

1548
01:56:40.279 --> 01:56:45.199
up. And so I'm picking up
feathers and I looked down that carcass is

1549
01:56:45.239 --> 01:56:50.720
still there and it's untouched. There
is not one The only marks that were

1550
01:56:50.760 --> 01:56:56.640
on it was from the Turkey vulture
picking at the joints and stuff and pulling

1551
01:56:56.880 --> 01:57:00.760
some of the sinews up. I
have the whole thing intact. There's been

1552
01:57:00.800 --> 01:57:04.520
a couple of rib bones fall off. I want. I'm maybe gonna ask

1553
01:57:04.600 --> 01:57:12.079
Mark Marcelle because he's gonna rearticulating bones
because he works at the aquarium up there

1554
01:57:12.079 --> 01:57:17.520
in Westport, Washington, and he's
done whales and does from small fish and

1555
01:57:17.600 --> 01:57:21.600
amphibians all the way up you know, to an entire whale, which he

1556
01:57:21.800 --> 01:57:26.279
did took a couple of years to
do, but with the help of family

1557
01:57:26.319 --> 01:57:29.399
he got to put together. And
it's set the museum up there, because

1558
01:57:29.439 --> 01:57:32.279
they have a museum and aquarium all
the all them one thing, right,

1559
01:57:33.000 --> 01:57:42.159
And but Scott's going to be here. Scott's an anthropologist from Squash America.

1560
01:57:43.880 --> 01:57:46.319
Scott Bylett. He's right now in
Cave Junction. They've got a thing going

1561
01:57:46.359 --> 01:57:50.439
on that's supposed to be probably be
happening today down there, and I think

1562
01:57:50.479 --> 01:57:56.720
he's down there taking reports and different
things, kind of like a town hall

1563
01:57:57.319 --> 01:58:03.520
doing it, saying him in a
Greg from Rogue Weather did one and yeah,

1564
01:58:03.640 --> 01:58:09.359
they only expected maybe a hundred people
to show up, and there was

1565
01:58:09.439 --> 01:58:14.439
like three times at that showed up
standing room only and people were crying.

1566
01:58:14.479 --> 01:58:16.239
And Cape Junks was kind of out
in the middle of nowhere. It's just

1567
01:58:16.279 --> 01:58:19.640
a connecting place. That's where you'll
find the Organ Caves, you know,

1568
01:58:19.720 --> 01:58:25.560
and there's been lots of activity out
there. There's some pretty famous stories that

1569
01:58:25.600 --> 01:58:29.039
have happened right there at the Organ
Caves. One I think was a doctor

1570
01:58:29.800 --> 01:58:34.760
and a matter of fact, I
met him there recently, so, but

1571
01:58:34.880 --> 01:58:40.279
he was there there with his family
and I was able to out de siding

1572
01:58:40.359 --> 01:58:45.079
of a Sasquatch. But yeah,
it's kind of remote Cape Junction is,

1573
01:58:45.520 --> 01:58:49.039
but yeah, they had they the
place was packed. You couldn't have stuffed

1574
01:58:49.039 --> 01:58:54.279
a couple more people in there with
a stick. Yeah, it was that

1575
01:58:54.399 --> 01:58:57.119
fact. He said. We took
a lot of great reports and it was

1576
01:58:57.159 --> 01:59:00.239
just a fabulous time. So Scott's
over there doing another one today. I

1577
01:59:00.319 --> 01:59:04.119
was like, great, gonna be
with youse know about this time, He's

1578
01:59:04.159 --> 01:59:05.920
like, well, if you want
to come up, I said, I

1579
01:59:06.039 --> 01:59:11.319
got to work. Unfortunately, well
that's good is you know, my day's

1580
01:59:11.359 --> 01:59:15.520
offer like Monday Tuesday during the week, and so when I off Monday Tuesday,

1581
01:59:15.720 --> 01:59:18.680
nobody else is out in the woods. You know, they're weekend warriors,

1582
01:59:18.680 --> 01:59:23.199
so it makes it pretty convenient.
I hardly ever run across to anybody

1583
01:59:23.199 --> 01:59:27.359
out there, even the hunting season. Last year, one vehicle the entire

1584
01:59:27.439 --> 01:59:31.000
hunting season. That's all that I
ran across. One vehicle. And because

1585
01:59:31.039 --> 01:59:34.760
this area has grown up enough that
it's really not good for deer hunting anymore.

1586
01:59:34.800 --> 01:59:39.680
There's only one section, which is
a prairie section at the top that

1587
01:59:39.760 --> 01:59:43.119
you could even see anything. So
unless you know the mountain like I do,

1588
01:59:44.079 --> 01:59:48.239
most people are what you call road
hunters. They just drive around their

1589
01:59:48.319 --> 01:59:50.520
vehicle. Something jumps out, well, they're going to shoot it. And

1590
01:59:50.600 --> 01:59:54.640
unfortunately, when they're shooting it,
it's illegal the way they shoot it,

1591
01:59:54.760 --> 01:59:57.840
because you're not allowed to shoot from
the road in the state. You know,

1592
01:59:57.920 --> 02:00:00.920
you have to be such a distance
off the road and everything else.

1593
02:00:00.960 --> 02:00:05.239
And you know, and plus,
baiting animals is illegal here as well.

1594
02:00:05.560 --> 02:00:12.239
And I've found pumpkins up there and
watermelons and all kinds of things from poachers

1595
02:00:12.319 --> 02:00:16.479
or people during hunting season baiting the
animals, and they'll shoot them right on

1596
02:00:16.520 --> 02:00:19.800
the roadway, which is illegal.
You know. Me, I'm in the

1597
02:00:19.840 --> 02:00:23.560
woods, and when these people drive
by, I guess what I do.

1598
02:00:23.399 --> 02:00:29.119
I do. I do the spider
crawl. I'm on the ground, let

1599
02:00:29.199 --> 02:00:32.319
them go by. I don't want
to get shot because I stopped hunting for

1600
02:00:32.319 --> 02:00:36.439
the longest time because I got tired
of fun. Plane follow the beer cans.

1601
02:00:38.880 --> 02:00:42.159
You know, I'm out in the
woods. They're drinking. They have

1602
02:00:42.319 --> 02:00:47.600
guns. I'm mind you. You
know I carry forty four magnum here plus

1603
02:00:47.600 --> 02:00:50.319
the rifle. You know, I
carry thirty out six. It'll reach out

1604
02:00:50.319 --> 02:00:56.880
and touch someone from a long ways
away. And the forty four is to

1605
02:00:57.039 --> 02:01:00.159
disable their engine because I'm going to
blow up your block. You know,

1606
02:01:00.600 --> 02:01:05.600
you point your rifle at me,
We got a problem. You scope me

1607
02:01:05.640 --> 02:01:10.239
out, which is illegal. You
know, that's what they made binoculars for,

1608
02:01:10.920 --> 02:01:13.880
not your riflescope your rifle scope is
to put them on that animal,

1609
02:01:13.920 --> 02:01:18.760
get an accurate shot and hopefully a
kill on the first shot. But yeah,

1610
02:01:18.800 --> 02:01:24.199
I'm more worried about the human factor
out there in the woods than I

1611
02:01:24.239 --> 02:01:30.479
am anything else. I have no
problems with bears. They're more afraid of

1612
02:01:30.520 --> 02:01:32.039
you than you are them. Matter. In fact, I chased one down

1613
02:01:32.119 --> 02:01:39.279
here last summer. Yeah, I'm
nuts, but just to get a shot

1614
02:01:39.279 --> 02:01:42.600
a photo of him. All I
got was his buddy in so unfortunately,

1615
02:01:43.199 --> 02:01:45.720
you know, he was a little
faster than the big boy here. I've

1616
02:01:45.760 --> 02:01:47.720
getting a little weight, but I've
lost thirty five pounds since then, so

1617
02:01:48.279 --> 02:01:53.600
good for you that I'm looking better, get into good shape. I was

1618
02:01:53.640 --> 02:01:56.600
at the pond one day and I
am sitting there, which I've never heard

1619
02:01:56.680 --> 02:02:00.960
my life, with all the time
I've been out in the woods. Yeah,

1620
02:02:00.000 --> 02:02:03.800
oh, are you kidding me?
Is there a housecat out here?

1621
02:02:05.079 --> 02:02:10.359
I've never heard of cougar meal in
my life? Are you serious? And

1622
02:02:10.479 --> 02:02:15.000
it was a cougar and I was
edit me out about eight different times.

1623
02:02:15.039 --> 02:02:19.039
I had never heard it happened personally. And as soon as I got home,

1624
02:02:19.520 --> 02:02:23.600
I'm on the internet. Does a
cougar me ow? And I found

1625
02:02:23.600 --> 02:02:26.720
like three examples of it that somebody
had recorded. I went, that's it.

1626
02:02:27.119 --> 02:02:29.640
I said, are you kidding me? They sounds just like a housecat,

1627
02:02:30.640 --> 02:02:32.600
except a little more powerful. But
yeah, I'm sitting there to paut

1628
02:02:32.640 --> 02:02:38.720
it. And that gets me to
another lesson that my clan taught me that

1629
02:02:38.800 --> 02:02:43.159
day. I got one of those
mind speak things that day. I was

1630
02:02:43.199 --> 02:02:45.600
on the other side. I hadn't
made it down to that roadway yet,

1631
02:02:45.640 --> 02:02:49.079
and I was kind of clear in
my mind. I'm like, well,

1632
02:02:49.159 --> 02:02:53.680
you know, I know the she
squatchers, they're all friends and all the

1633
02:02:53.720 --> 02:02:57.039
things that they do. They do
a lot of remote viewing, So I'm

1634
02:02:57.079 --> 02:03:00.399
going to start practicing that. It's
right. Excuse me, raining I'm not

1635
02:03:00.560 --> 02:03:04.319
on this landing and in an area
where that you know, I don't have

1636
02:03:04.359 --> 02:03:09.960
too much activity, and I was
just enjoying the rain and I had walked

1637
02:03:09.960 --> 02:03:13.399
out on this landing and what kills
me is all the garbage that people leave

1638
02:03:13.439 --> 02:03:17.439
behind. So and that's one good
way to gain respect for the sasquashed folks

1639
02:03:17.720 --> 02:03:25.199
is to clean up, clean up, pack stuff out the trash. They

1640
02:03:25.239 --> 02:03:31.560
see you doing this, they understand
you doing this. But I was told

1641
02:03:32.039 --> 02:03:35.319
while I was there and clearing my
mind and everything out of the thought jumped

1642
02:03:35.359 --> 02:03:42.239
in my head from them go directly
to the spring, right, Okay,

1643
02:03:42.279 --> 02:03:45.399
Well I didn't get to remote view, but I got a little telepathy there.

1644
02:03:45.880 --> 02:03:49.119
Okay, I guess I'll accept that. Okay, So I headed darts

1645
02:03:49.159 --> 02:03:58.239
the spring and me with OCD school. I got to the dining room where

1646
02:03:58.279 --> 02:04:03.039
I got the bearer and everything,
and now I had to stop. I

1647
02:04:03.119 --> 02:04:08.279
got out. I made three steps
from my van and I turned around and

1648
02:04:08.279 --> 02:04:12.319
went right back and strapped on my
pistol jack to shell and was locked and

1649
02:04:12.359 --> 02:04:16.079
loaded. I think they were first
of all chest team. My abilities to

1650
02:04:16.239 --> 02:04:24.439
listen and take direction. Well,
I was halfway there before I saw the

1651
02:04:24.479 --> 02:04:32.479
school, but yeah, I felt
I was in danger, and so I

1652
02:04:32.520 --> 02:04:36.039
was all prepared. And the way
I go and look at things, I

1653
02:04:36.079 --> 02:04:43.800
go to an area and I spend
fifteen minutes looking at every little thing.

1654
02:04:43.880 --> 02:04:47.640
I'm looking for changes, I'm looking
for anything new. I'm looking for activity,

1655
02:04:47.800 --> 02:04:53.359
fresh trails, anything of new,
anything new. And then I'll take

1656
02:04:53.439 --> 02:04:58.479
and I'll walk fifty seventy five ft
and I do the same thing fifteen minutes.

1657
02:04:58.880 --> 02:05:00.920
I look at everything there, and
that's that's part of my way of

1658
02:05:01.039 --> 02:05:04.600
you know, looking and see if
I'm finding recent activity, if I know

1659
02:05:04.680 --> 02:05:10.159
they're there, have they been going
down here? But yeah, I made

1660
02:05:10.159 --> 02:05:13.239
it up to the pond, and
that's when I realized that they just taught

1661
02:05:13.279 --> 02:05:15.840
me a lesson about listening. First
of all, go directly to the pond,

1662
02:05:16.319 --> 02:05:20.159
because if I had, they'd probably
been there and protected me from the

1663
02:05:20.199 --> 02:05:26.199
cougar. But I think they also
test me to see what my reaction would

1664
02:05:26.239 --> 02:05:29.439
be to the cougar, if I
was going to just go run after and

1665
02:05:29.640 --> 02:05:31.920
kill it, or if I was
going to accept it as being part of

1666
02:05:32.000 --> 02:05:34.760
nature and deal with it, which
I've always accepted those things. I have

1667
02:05:34.840 --> 02:05:38.760
no problem with them. You know, I've been face to face with cougar

1668
02:05:38.840 --> 02:05:41.880
several times, so there's a lot
of them up there and a lot of

1669
02:05:41.920 --> 02:05:45.359
bear and I have no problem with
them. You know, you just look

1670
02:05:45.399 --> 02:05:47.880
bigger than they are. You know, they've actually never come after me or

1671
02:05:47.920 --> 02:05:50.920
come to approach me. They just
they'll just look at me and just continue

1672
02:05:50.920 --> 02:05:54.640
on their way, you know,
like I'm just you know, another part

1673
02:05:54.640 --> 02:06:00.479
of nature, which I try to
be when I'm out there. But after

1674
02:06:00.680 --> 02:06:04.319
I heard eight miles from this career
as it was going across the pond,

1675
02:06:04.359 --> 02:06:09.159
by me. It was just out
of my view, but I know it

1676
02:06:09.199 --> 02:06:12.159
was right at the back of the
pond because how close the sound was.

1677
02:06:12.720 --> 02:06:16.439
And then it's just started getting further
and further away and still me outing as

1678
02:06:16.479 --> 02:06:23.119
it's walking off. About fifteen minutes
later, I get the juvenile in the

1679
02:06:23.199 --> 02:06:26.800
pop and it was like fifty feet
away from me. So I know it's

1680
02:06:27.359 --> 02:06:31.199
the juvenile JJ because he's the bold
one. Juveniles are very bold, They're

1681
02:06:31.279 --> 02:06:35.760
very much jokers. They like to
mess with you, and I am the

1682
02:06:35.800 --> 02:06:41.199
only human he knows, so he
experiments me on me, you know,

1683
02:06:41.279 --> 02:06:44.239
so like infrasound things along that line, you go, oh, I can

1684
02:06:44.279 --> 02:06:48.199
make Bill really sick and make him
throw up. Yeah, I was.

1685
02:06:48.239 --> 02:06:53.600
I don't do that again, please, that was not cool. But anyways,

1686
02:06:53.600 --> 02:06:57.720
I'll get into my sixth siding,
my last one, and this was

1687
02:06:57.720 --> 02:07:01.880
September thirteenth of last year, and
this was after I found the bear carcass.

1688
02:07:02.079 --> 02:07:06.079
And a week after I picked up
the bear, there was also a

1689
02:07:08.439 --> 02:07:14.399
deer in the same spot. It
was a young spike deer and its lower

1690
02:07:14.479 --> 02:07:18.199
jaw had been torn off like twist, and it's had to do the twist,

1691
02:07:18.479 --> 02:07:24.359
and the pelt was missing. And
that's that's another thing that that clicked

1692
02:07:24.399 --> 02:07:28.560
in my mind is I've read several
stories where they've seen them wearing a deer

1693
02:07:28.600 --> 02:07:31.840
pelt, maybe while they were hunting
or to blend in, and I thought,

1694
02:07:31.880 --> 02:07:35.000
you know, that pelt should be
here. Nope, I found the

1695
02:07:35.119 --> 02:07:40.720
entire carcass. I found the skull
to start with. And I walked down

1696
02:07:40.720 --> 02:07:44.039
and I found the carcass and it
was clean, the same way the bear

1697
02:07:44.239 --> 02:07:45.560
was. So I figured it was
theirs, you know, and that's what

1698
02:07:45.640 --> 02:07:49.600
they had done, and this one
I decided to leave there. A matter

1699
02:07:49.640 --> 02:07:54.680
of fact, I just took a
picture the other day some the remnants because

1700
02:07:54.760 --> 02:07:59.359
on it not where it was left. The skull. It was on a

1701
02:07:59.479 --> 02:08:05.960
log close to probably ten feet from
where I found the bear. The jaw

1702
02:08:07.000 --> 02:08:09.600
bones right there and the upper and
lower but that's all that was there.

1703
02:08:11.199 --> 02:08:15.680
It was just the upper and lower
jaw bones on a tree when it was

1704
02:08:15.760 --> 02:08:20.560
left down below where the bear was
killed. So this is from where the

1705
02:08:20.600 --> 02:08:24.880
bear was killed and where I left
that skull because I was going to maybe

1706
02:08:24.920 --> 02:08:28.920
get the you know, take the
little horns for a little knife or something,

1707
02:08:28.159 --> 02:08:31.279
because I used horns all the time. I do a lot of work.

1708
02:08:31.319 --> 02:08:35.239
I make buttons and different things out
of the out of the deer horn.

1709
02:08:37.159 --> 02:08:41.000
It was probably twenty five maybe thirty
feet away from where I left that

1710
02:08:41.079 --> 02:08:45.560
skull, and it was placed on
top of a log. So there are

1711
02:08:45.600 --> 02:08:48.960
too many people, were too many
things that pick things up and place them

1712
02:08:48.000 --> 02:08:52.640
on top of things. So I
took pictures of those. And the funniest

1713
02:08:52.640 --> 02:08:58.680
part is the first picture I took
was blurry and lett play on my camera,

1714
02:08:58.199 --> 02:09:01.560
but it was blow when I took
the shot. I'm like, that's

1715
02:09:01.640 --> 02:09:05.840
kind of weird. And that happened
to me when I was with Tom Cantrall

1716
02:09:07.199 --> 02:09:13.640
because we we we felt at two
different spots that there was something there that

1717
02:09:13.760 --> 02:09:18.840
you know, there was you know, a sasquatch in the area and kind

1718
02:09:18.840 --> 02:09:22.560
of watching us. And I took
a picture of this x and it was

1719
02:09:22.640 --> 02:09:26.079
perfectly in focus when I snapped that
thing, but it came out blurry.

1720
02:09:26.119 --> 02:09:30.159
I actually posted it last week,
you know, go, well, here

1721
02:09:30.199 --> 02:09:33.920
you go, and you can tell
they were present because it blurred it and

1722
02:09:33.960 --> 02:09:37.840
it shouldn't have blurred. There was
no reason for that to happen. But

1723
02:09:37.920 --> 02:09:41.000
the second shot I took came out
crisp and clear, But the first one

1724
02:09:41.000 --> 02:09:45.199
I took, when we were feeling
that there was something there, came out

1725
02:09:45.199 --> 02:09:50.319
blurry, because you know, they're
an high energy being, you know,

1726
02:09:50.399 --> 02:09:52.640
to do the things that they do, be able to cloak. It's it's

1727
02:09:52.680 --> 02:09:56.720
about their energy, is what I'm
figuring. It's that's where you get into

1728
02:09:58.319 --> 02:10:03.600
more things with Ron Moore head and
the quantum physics, which I've always been

1729
02:10:03.640 --> 02:10:07.079
interested in quantum physics, you know, I love about all the smallest things

1730
02:10:07.119 --> 02:10:13.359
and things like the bows, hicks
and peaks and molecule that they were calling

1731
02:10:13.399 --> 02:10:18.960
the gun molecule. But what they
don't understand that's the smallest thing. Maybe

1732
02:10:18.119 --> 02:10:22.800
they know to come up with,
but what makes that up? There's something

1733
02:10:22.840 --> 02:10:26.680
even smaller that makes that up than
what makes that up. There's something smaller

1734
02:10:26.680 --> 02:10:30.920
than that. That's when you start
looking at infinity. And I don't even

1735
02:10:30.960 --> 02:10:33.439
want to go there because when I
start thinking about it, to just screws

1736
02:10:33.479 --> 02:10:35.840
my brains. Your head up yet, because you can't stop. You can't

1737
02:10:35.840 --> 02:10:41.399
stop. It's an infinite loop.
But for months after that, I was

1738
02:10:43.000 --> 02:10:46.520
going on the roadways and I would
just open my door and I'm getting out

1739
02:10:46.560 --> 02:10:50.039
to look at a spot or something
that I spotted maybe a footprint, one

1740
02:10:50.079 --> 02:10:54.520
footprint on a vertical bank. Unfortunately, you can't cast it perfect tone marks

1741
02:10:54.600 --> 02:10:58.600
everything else. You know. It's
where they like jump from the road up

1742
02:10:58.640 --> 02:11:03.399
and he off that big hit that
footprint and over the top, you know,

1743
02:11:03.479 --> 02:11:07.039
to get up to the top.
I was like, pretty impressive,

1744
02:11:07.000 --> 02:11:11.119
and it was the juvenile. It
was the size of his prep and his

1745
02:11:11.199 --> 02:11:13.399
prints were up to ten inches.
Now he's grown and I think he's a

1746
02:11:13.479 --> 02:11:18.680
little closer to six feet tall because
from the photograph that I took last year,

1747
02:11:18.720 --> 02:11:22.479
which I thought he split, because
he was next to mom on the

1748
02:11:22.520 --> 02:11:24.079
other side of the tree, just
kind of hanging on this branch like this.

1749
02:11:24.640 --> 02:11:28.079
You see his hair hanging down everything. I said, well, I'm

1750
02:11:28.079 --> 02:11:31.640
gonna take a photograph. If it's
okay, man, I take a photograph

1751
02:11:31.720 --> 02:11:35.159
for you. He was gone,
oh yeah, sure, he split.

1752
02:11:35.239 --> 02:11:37.760
I'm like, and I could,
and I called him out. Sorry kids,

1753
02:11:37.760 --> 02:11:41.800
but I called him a chicken.
Shit. Remember, I talked.

1754
02:11:41.840 --> 02:11:45.760
I talked to him just like I
do my friends and family, and I

1755
02:11:45.840 --> 02:11:48.760
thought he'd bailed. But actually here, just a few weeks ago, I

1756
02:11:48.840 --> 02:11:52.439
really started looking at those pictures and
blowing him up. He's with her.

1757
02:11:54.279 --> 02:11:58.680
He's right behind her and he's leaning
out. So that's why I want to

1758
02:11:58.720 --> 02:12:03.119
have those photos in hand. Scott's
working on that make that happen for me.

1759
02:12:03.720 --> 02:12:07.000
But for like a month and a
half leading up to that sighting,

1760
02:12:09.359 --> 02:12:13.199
I would open my door and I
would hear Bill in a very proper kind

1761
02:12:13.199 --> 02:12:20.800
of librarian female voice that was just
a proper but very ladylike voice, and

1762
02:12:20.960 --> 02:12:28.479
I'm like, I'm the only one
out here. There no women running around

1763
02:12:28.479 --> 02:12:31.159
in the woods out here, you
know. And I never correlated it the

1764
02:12:31.199 --> 02:12:35.199
word maybe that's a voice she's using
for me, until you know, I

1765
02:12:35.279 --> 02:12:41.680
had my siding with her. And
this happened for about six weeks up leading

1766
02:12:41.720 --> 02:12:45.600
up to my sighting, and I
would be out in the middle of the

1767
02:12:45.640 --> 02:12:50.840
woods somewhere and I'd hear Bill and
that ladylike voice. I'm like, I

1768
02:12:50.960 --> 02:12:56.359
really think just a driving me nuts. I said, this is I think

1769
02:12:56.399 --> 02:13:00.000
I need to have my sanity check
because there's things happening out here I can't

1770
02:13:00.119 --> 02:13:03.760
explain. And it's like, like
I say, every time I get out

1771
02:13:03.760 --> 02:13:07.720
there, I said, hey,
Bill's here, And you know that didn't

1772
02:13:07.800 --> 02:13:11.279
dawn on me that you know they're
doing the same thing and going, oh,

1773
02:13:11.319 --> 02:13:16.399
Bill's here, and she's saying Bill, And I think if it had

1774
02:13:16.479 --> 02:13:20.000
dawn on me, I actually would
have had a sooner signing with her.

1775
02:13:22.039 --> 02:13:26.239
So, you know, because I
sometimes i'm and I tell them and I

1776
02:13:26.359 --> 02:13:30.720
related to them. Hey, sometimes
you got to put a billboard up for

1777
02:13:30.800 --> 02:13:35.840
me because I got to see this. You know, I'm not understanding this,

1778
02:13:35.960 --> 02:13:37.319
you know, because sometimes it just
goes out of my head. I

1779
02:13:37.439 --> 02:13:43.279
knew of this, remember, you
know, So sometimes you gotta, you

1780
02:13:43.279 --> 02:13:46.279
know, make a billboard signing for
me for me to pay attention to what's

1781
02:13:46.279 --> 02:13:50.840
really happening. And God has happened
for weeks and I thought I was going

1782
02:13:50.920 --> 02:13:56.560
nuts until Tom because I keep in
touch with him as much as possible.

1783
02:13:56.760 --> 02:14:00.520
Man, he isn't just keep every
time. He's going with it, Bill,

1784
02:14:00.600 --> 02:14:01.840
go with it, Just go with
it. Don't worry. It'll come

1785
02:14:01.880 --> 02:14:07.319
together. So I'm up there one
day and this is September thirteenth, and

1786
02:14:07.439 --> 02:14:09.960
I'm going up the road to where
the asterick is and that I did send

1787
02:14:11.000 --> 02:14:15.399
you a picture of the big asterick
and there's a gravel pit before that.

1788
02:14:15.520 --> 02:14:18.680
Then you go on around. It's
probably a few hundred yards and I'm looking

1789
02:14:18.840 --> 02:14:24.479
and I've been noticing this bank and
I've heard people say that when they go

1790
02:14:24.560 --> 02:14:28.479
up a very steep incline, they're
like us. They don't walk straight up

1791
02:14:28.520 --> 02:14:33.560
it because they can't. So you
turn your foot sideways and do a sidehill

1792
02:14:33.600 --> 02:14:37.560
thing. Because when you do that
sidehill, you push that dirt down and

1793
02:14:37.680 --> 02:14:39.800
it gives you more surface area to
hold on too. And if your foot

1794
02:14:39.840 --> 02:14:43.119
slipt, it just compacts the dirt
underneath you, so you don't go very

1795
02:14:43.159 --> 02:14:46.800
far, you know, and you
can get up that hill. And I'm

1796
02:14:46.840 --> 02:14:52.800
looking at this spot and I see
a triangle going up. There's where they

1797
02:14:52.800 --> 02:14:56.079
went up this way or where they
went up this way, and it's not

1798
02:14:56.279 --> 02:15:00.039
bear marks I'm looking at. I'm
like, you know, this is a

1799
02:15:01.680 --> 02:15:03.560
fair sized foot that's doing this.
And I don't think people are doing this

1800
02:15:03.600 --> 02:15:07.479
because I'm the only one out here, you know, I really ever come

1801
02:15:07.520 --> 02:15:11.439
across anybody out here. Even though
it's very accessible. Usually most of the

1802
02:15:11.479 --> 02:15:16.279
locals just use it as a quick
get over so they can avoid going to

1803
02:15:16.359 --> 02:15:20.600
the freeway. They can come over
to Medford, they can go visit friends

1804
02:15:20.600 --> 02:15:24.920
that are over on this other side, and you know, it's it's between

1805
02:15:24.000 --> 02:15:28.479
two major rivers, which is another
good thing. There's lots of water,

1806
02:15:28.520 --> 02:15:31.840
there's fish, you know, there's
lots of food sources. I have seen

1807
02:15:31.960 --> 02:15:37.560
elk actually jack rabbits up there,
which I've never seen before. There's a

1808
02:15:37.600 --> 02:15:43.880
blue grouse which are huge, they're
the size of a chicken, rough grouse,

1809
02:15:43.000 --> 02:15:48.000
quail, just every kind of thing
you can think of. There's coyotes

1810
02:15:48.079 --> 02:15:54.960
up there. There's the course cougar
and bear, and the different amounts of

1811
02:15:58.119 --> 02:16:01.279
different types of food that grew up
there. All the different types of berries

1812
02:16:01.279 --> 02:16:07.960
that are up there. Aside from
the huckleberries, the blueberries, the blackberries,

1813
02:16:07.239 --> 02:16:16.479
black caps um, marrying berries are
up there. There's um just everything.

1814
02:16:16.560 --> 02:16:20.000
Lots of addictional stuff as well.
And for what I understand, I'm

1815
02:16:20.000 --> 02:16:24.439
be told that they're master herbalist,
you know. They they've got to be

1816
02:16:24.479 --> 02:16:26.920
able to you know, it's not
like the sass watch a good knock on

1817
02:16:26.960 --> 02:16:31.960
the hospital tour when it's something happens. So they have to know how to

1818
02:16:31.000 --> 02:16:33.920
take care of themselves. And that's
why I take them garlic. I'm feeling

1819
02:16:33.959 --> 02:16:37.959
that, you know, garlic is
a great healer. Um. It's also

1820
02:16:37.000 --> 02:16:41.799
a natural antibiotic. It's good for
a lot of different issues. So I

1821
02:16:41.840 --> 02:16:43.639
take them garlic, and nothing else
in the woods will take the garlic.

1822
02:16:45.280 --> 02:16:46.840
Bears don't want nothing to do or
that dare don't want anything to do with.

1823
02:16:48.040 --> 02:16:50.840
The birds don't touch it, you
know. They're the only thing that

1824
02:16:50.879 --> 02:16:54.360
eats garlic is bugs, you know, and it's a specific type of worm

1825
02:16:54.440 --> 02:16:56.920
that'll get in there and eat it. And they don't eat much of it,

1826
02:16:56.079 --> 02:17:01.000
you know, because it's pretty powerful. And the while garlics that you

1827
02:17:01.040 --> 02:17:05.319
find are these little tiny things,
you know. I mean, you got

1828
02:17:05.799 --> 02:17:09.559
five miles a step, but you
got this little tiny chunk. So I'm

1829
02:17:09.600 --> 02:17:11.600
sure they really appreciate getting up there. And they got to clothe this half

1830
02:17:11.600 --> 02:17:15.559
the size of my fist, and
they're like, yeah, we love you,

1831
02:17:15.639 --> 02:17:18.319
Bill. But I'm looking at this, these side steps going up,

1832
02:17:18.639 --> 02:17:22.319
and I'm trying to find toe prints, and I could could make out kind

1833
02:17:22.360 --> 02:17:26.760
of toe prints and a few of
them will go to home. I heard

1834
02:17:26.760 --> 02:17:28.680
about this that, you know,
when it's really steep, and this is

1835
02:17:28.719 --> 02:17:33.360
a very steep section. I wouldn't
walk up it. There's no way you

1836
02:17:33.760 --> 02:17:37.159
put me on a rope, you
know, and some gear. I will

1837
02:17:37.159 --> 02:17:41.360
try to get up there and I'm
actually not in bad shape right now.

1838
02:17:41.639 --> 02:17:48.399
For for being fifty nine years old, I'm better shaped than I was a

1839
02:17:48.440 --> 02:17:50.879
year ago. Like I said,
I dropped thirty five pounds. I bulked

1840
02:17:50.920 --> 02:17:54.840
up by doing the job that I
do and running circles around the kids that

1841
02:17:54.879 --> 02:17:58.399
we hire in because I've outlasted most
of them. There's a few of us

1842
02:17:58.399 --> 02:18:05.879
old guys on there, and we
made the kids look bad. So I

1843
02:18:05.879 --> 02:18:07.760
will tell you, you know,
I'm slow, but no, I keep

1844
02:18:07.799 --> 02:18:13.879
up with everything. But I was
looking at these and then I heard pop

1845
02:18:16.719 --> 02:18:18.559
and it couldn't been more just off
the side of the road on the other

1846
02:18:18.559 --> 02:18:22.200
side, couldn't have been more than
fifty feet away. And I called out,

1847
02:18:22.280 --> 02:18:26.600
JJ, I know your pop buddy, you know, I said,

1848
02:18:26.799 --> 02:18:30.799
how you doing, my friend?
And I brought my guitar. I have

1849
02:18:30.879 --> 02:18:33.680
my guitar in there because I was
gonna sit up and I do that often,

1850
02:18:33.760 --> 02:18:35.200
sit on the mountain top and play
my guitar and play my music.

1851
02:18:37.040 --> 02:18:43.399
And so I went to the back
of the band got my guitar out.

1852
02:18:43.440 --> 02:18:46.079
Well. That allowed JJ and Mama
because I just call her Mama, to

1853
02:18:46.159 --> 02:18:48.479
get across the road and get up
to where they were. Where it's a

1854
02:18:48.520 --> 02:18:52.840
tree. And I played my guitar
for about forty five minutes to them and

1855
02:18:52.920 --> 02:18:56.120
I look out, Yeah, they're
still there, hanging out, and it

1856
02:18:56.319 --> 02:18:58.000
just seemed to be enjoyed. I
mean, they didn't throw anything at me,

1857
02:18:58.079 --> 02:19:01.920
so I figured it was okay,
you know, no tomatoes coming my

1858
02:19:01.000 --> 02:19:05.319
way. And then I go up
to the front of van and I start

1859
02:19:05.399 --> 02:19:09.360
talking to him, and you know, I talk about everything, just like

1860
02:19:09.399 --> 02:19:11.280
I would with anybody else, you
know, catching up on a conversation,

1861
02:19:13.760 --> 02:19:16.200
talk about love, life, everything
else, and you know how much things

1862
02:19:16.200 --> 02:19:20.000
were going or you know, if
things suck today or whatever's going on.

1863
02:19:20.079 --> 02:19:24.840
And they just hung around and I
mentioned taking a photograph, and that's when

1864
02:19:24.399 --> 02:19:30.120
JJ seemed to just bolted that instant. I said, I'm gonna do it

1865
02:19:30.159 --> 02:19:33.520
on my phone. I said,
even even the camera that has I told

1866
02:19:33.559 --> 02:19:35.639
him, the nose that comes out, it won't hurt you. It's not

1867
02:19:35.719 --> 02:19:39.479
again, you know, And I
explained what a namage was. I told

1868
02:19:39.520 --> 02:19:43.760
him this is because I told him
that our memories as human beings are fallible,

1869
02:19:43.879 --> 02:19:48.000
especially the older we get. I
said the thing about an image which

1870
02:19:48.000 --> 02:19:50.920
I remember, and I've taken millions. I'm probably in a million and a

1871
02:19:50.920 --> 02:19:56.639
half close to two million photographs that
I've taken in my lifetime. Because I've

1872
02:19:56.680 --> 02:20:01.680
always been efficient with a camera.
I have old s l R thirty five

1873
02:20:01.719 --> 02:20:05.040
millimeter cameras put away because that's kind
of the old thing. Try to find

1874
02:20:05.079 --> 02:20:11.680
thirty five millimeter film anymore. Right
now, I'm looking at probably an EO

1875
02:20:11.920 --> 02:20:16.639
seven right now that I'm wanting to
buy that's going to have manual and automatic

1876
02:20:16.680 --> 02:20:24.120
on the adjustments, because manual I'm
actually faster than the autos are as far

1877
02:20:24.159 --> 02:20:28.239
as tuning things in because I just
I did it for so long. But

1878
02:20:28.479 --> 02:20:33.479
all I had with me I did
have my four key hadn't come yet.

1879
02:20:33.600 --> 02:20:35.799
It came back two days later.
Oh man, Yeah, I was like,

1880
02:20:35.840 --> 02:20:37.760
man, I sure wish I had
my four kar. I wish I

1881
02:20:37.799 --> 02:20:41.159
had my four kar. I wish
it was here. So I got my

1882
02:20:41.159 --> 02:20:43.600
cell phone in hand because I didn't
want to scare it with my other camera,

1883
02:20:45.799 --> 02:20:46.840
and I said, if you don't
mind not to, I'll just take

1884
02:20:46.879 --> 02:20:50.239
one with my cell phone here.
And but I explained to her, I

1885
02:20:50.239 --> 02:20:58.760
said, a photograph is a moment
captured in time that when we look back

1886
02:20:58.799 --> 02:21:03.120
at it, it draws us right
back to that moment for a reflection of

1887
02:21:03.159 --> 02:21:07.399
what happened at that very moment.
I recognized every picture I've ever taken,

1888
02:21:07.479 --> 02:21:11.520
and I can tell you about the
circumstance or while I was taking her,

1889
02:21:11.559 --> 02:21:13.879
what I was doing at that time, all the way back to my first

1890
02:21:13.920 --> 02:21:18.959
photographs, even though I've taken that, manny, you know, up to

1891
02:21:18.000 --> 02:21:22.159
a million and a half, possibly
two million, even my act. She

1892
02:21:22.520 --> 02:21:28.159
borrowed some of mine, relyst she
thought they were hers and posted them up

1893
02:21:28.200 --> 02:21:31.920
on her her Facebook. And I
went, what are you doing stealing my

1894
02:21:31.959 --> 02:21:33.840
picture? She said, no,
I took that picture. I said,

1895
02:21:33.159 --> 02:21:35.559
I can prove to you I took
that picture. Let me tell you what

1896
02:21:35.600 --> 02:21:39.719
we were doing and what happened when
I took that photograph. And I explained

1897
02:21:39.719 --> 02:21:43.760
to her exactly what was going on
are today? So, uh yeah,

1898
02:21:43.799 --> 02:21:46.159
well maybe you did, I said, yes, I did take that photograph.

1899
02:21:46.200 --> 02:21:48.360
Matter of fact, it's on my
computer. Were you not going to

1900
02:21:48.360 --> 02:21:52.040
show you that one? I said, you stole it off my Facebook?

1901
02:21:52.200 --> 02:22:00.840
But I asked her permission to take
a photograph and allow me to take two.

1902
02:22:01.639 --> 02:22:03.559
And like I said, I didn't
realize until just you know, just

1903
02:22:05.159 --> 02:22:09.559
probably a month and a half ago, that JJ didn't split he was with

1904
02:22:09.600 --> 02:22:13.079
her. Because I was looking at
the photos and I'm going, well,

1905
02:22:13.120 --> 02:22:16.319
I see this kind of split.
That's kind of odd. What is that

1906
02:22:16.600 --> 02:22:22.399
back there? And I started blowing
him up and I say, oh,

1907
02:22:22.479 --> 02:22:24.680
JJ's in there, the juvenile.
He's just kind of buyer and he's just

1908
02:22:24.760 --> 02:22:30.760
kind of leaning out for mama.
And that's what I showed Scott when we're

1909
02:22:30.799 --> 02:22:33.159
at beach Foot and he said,
oh yeah, let me let me take

1910
02:22:33.200 --> 02:22:35.319
care of those four yds. Yea, check it out and said it to

1911
02:22:35.360 --> 02:22:39.239
your friend and see if he can
do anything. I said. The problem

1912
02:22:39.360 --> 02:22:41.559
was it was taken from a cell
phone. I said, it's very low.

1913
02:22:41.600 --> 02:22:46.040
As far as you know, it's
like point three I think megapixels.

1914
02:22:46.159 --> 02:22:48.440
It's not much. I'll have to
look it up and find out exactly what

1915
02:22:48.479 --> 02:22:54.120
it is. But I measured out
I was exactly sixty eight feet away from

1916
02:22:54.120 --> 02:22:56.680
her, I asked after I took
the photograph, I asked her to move

1917
02:22:56.760 --> 02:23:01.520
up to there's a giant Douglas for
just above her, just a couple of

1918
02:23:01.559 --> 02:23:05.079
feet above her, that's like eight
feet through at the base. I said,

1919
02:23:05.120 --> 02:23:07.399
why don't you and Je you know, why don't you go and be

1920
02:23:07.399 --> 02:23:11.680
behind the tree there. I need
to walk up and make sure there was

1921
02:23:11.719 --> 02:23:15.559
no stump there, so to make
sure that this was actually you I was

1922
02:23:15.639 --> 02:23:18.079
taking a photograph of because they know
my vision is not the best. I've

1923
02:23:18.120 --> 02:23:22.840
told him. I said so,
and I could see where and I have

1924
02:23:22.120 --> 02:23:26.760
photographs where you can see where they
stepped up the bank to be right where

1925
02:23:26.799 --> 02:23:31.280
she was for me to take to
his photograph and that there was nothing there.

1926
02:23:31.639 --> 02:23:35.040
Also the previous I took two shots
previous to this that was before that

1927
02:23:35.760 --> 02:23:41.680
he pop did the pop. There's
a was a tree stump up there in

1928
02:23:41.719 --> 02:23:46.719
the sun started shining through a hole
that was in the stump and it was

1929
02:23:46.760 --> 02:23:50.280
in the shape of a heart.
I'm going to print that up and send

1930
02:23:50.319 --> 02:23:52.639
it to Arlac arlaclecs heart. So, I said, Arla, this happened

1931
02:23:54.559 --> 02:23:58.120
just minutes before my sighting. I
said, it was the coolest thing.

1932
02:23:58.120 --> 02:24:01.559
I looked at him. Wow,
there's a perfect that the sun is shining

1933
02:24:01.600 --> 02:24:05.159
through it and it's all lit up, this perfect heart in the middle of

1934
02:24:05.159 --> 02:24:07.000
this tree stone. I said,
that was kind of a cool anomaly.

1935
02:24:07.120 --> 02:24:13.399
The next thing is I'm went the
female in the juvenile and that lasted a

1936
02:24:13.399 --> 02:24:18.040
matter of fact, I'm the one
that actually stopped the sighting. So,

1937
02:24:18.280 --> 02:24:20.399
man, you guys know, I
got responsibilities that I take care of,

1938
02:24:20.440 --> 02:24:24.639
and I'm very adamant about taking care
of my own responsibilities at home. That

1939
02:24:24.799 --> 02:24:28.440
I have somebody at home, I
need to get dinner too and take care

1940
02:24:28.440 --> 02:24:31.399
of things. But it was an
hour and a half that I spent with

1941
02:24:31.440 --> 02:24:35.399
them up chatting and playing my guitar
and you know, doing all these things,

1942
02:24:35.920 --> 02:24:39.840
and I just had the time of
my life. I love it and

1943
02:24:39.879 --> 02:24:43.959
I just craved the time that I
can be with him. So it hasn't

1944
02:24:43.959 --> 02:24:48.479
happened, actually has I was up
camping. We had some storms roll through

1945
02:24:48.559 --> 02:24:52.680
here, and I decided I'm staying
on the mountaintop that night. A matter

1946
02:24:52.719 --> 02:24:58.159
of fact, I went up there
earlier in the day and I found in

1947
02:24:58.239 --> 02:25:03.719
the snow another short track way Mama
and JJ's prince, because I know him

1948
02:25:03.719 --> 02:25:07.479
by the size. You know,
hers is fourteen and a half inches by

1949
02:25:07.520 --> 02:25:13.840
four a little over four inches wide. Is are now ten by just under

1950
02:25:13.840 --> 02:25:20.079
four is like three three and three
quarters right in that neighborhood. And I

1951
02:25:20.079 --> 02:25:22.559
went, oh, I got through
trectly, so I'm going to stay just

1952
02:25:22.799 --> 02:25:24.479
maybe one hundred yards from there,
and this is at the top of the

1953
02:25:24.559 --> 02:25:28.920
mount and so I drove all the
way back to town, got some camping

1954
02:25:28.959 --> 02:25:33.120
gear. I've picked up wood along
the way all the way up the mountain.

1955
02:25:33.639 --> 02:25:37.120
Somebody had left some stuff down the
pond, which kind of made me

1956
02:25:37.159 --> 02:25:39.639
mad that they're even camping at the
spring. You know, there's a spot

1957
02:25:39.719 --> 02:25:45.319
right across the road right there you
can see the spring that's got a fire

1958
02:25:45.360 --> 02:25:48.559
pit. You can camp there.
All the animals drink for that water,

1959
02:25:48.639 --> 02:25:52.200
you know, stay away from the
spring. It just kind of assess me

1960
02:25:52.280 --> 02:25:54.959
when people are up there, because
there was a squatter up there that left

1961
02:25:56.000 --> 02:25:58.559
an absolute mess. This is a
cool story. This is a cool story.

1962
02:25:58.559 --> 02:26:03.680
I'll tell you. They left their
tip covering all this garbage. Half

1963
02:26:03.680 --> 02:26:11.840
the stuff that was under the covered
by the tip was probably stolen people's photographs,

1964
02:26:11.959 --> 02:26:15.120
everything else. And I mean,
it just upset me to see that

1965
02:26:15.200 --> 02:26:20.920
during aside from that the mess that
they left behind. And I was talking

1966
02:26:20.959 --> 02:26:22.280
out because I always talk out a
lot when i'm out there. I told

1967
02:26:22.280 --> 02:26:24.120
you, if you come across me
in the woods, you're gonna think I'm

1968
02:26:24.200 --> 02:26:26.959
nuts. Yeah, this guy's out
here talking to himself, you know,

1969
02:26:28.360 --> 02:26:31.920
talking about all kinds of weird stuff, you know, and I say,

1970
02:26:31.000 --> 02:26:35.200
Hi, I'm bore. I'm here
carrying on conversations by himself. No,

1971
02:26:35.360 --> 02:26:39.200
I'm speaking to them specifically because I
think it. Not only think it,

1972
02:26:39.239 --> 02:26:46.920
but I speak it. Because Mama
and the juvenile are verbal it's the alpha

1973
02:26:46.040 --> 02:26:50.639
male that does the telepathy with me. They choose not to they choose to

1974
02:26:50.200 --> 02:26:56.280
verbalize. And this leads up to
when I first heard JJ speak, which

1975
02:26:56.319 --> 02:27:01.040
was just a few weeks ago.
It was just last month. I stayed

1976
02:27:01.079 --> 02:27:03.799
up there in the middle of a
storm, and I've filled some of it

1977
02:27:03.840 --> 02:27:05.479
from sitting to the side my cab
because I was waiting for a break in

1978
02:27:05.520 --> 02:27:09.239
the storm to get all the way
out of the back of my van,

1979
02:27:09.840 --> 02:27:11.479
you know, so I could lay
down in there and get some sleep.

1980
02:27:11.520 --> 02:27:16.079
Because I was exhausted my days off. I just stay up. I don't

1981
02:27:16.079 --> 02:27:18.959
go to bed, you know,
until I just can't stand it no more

1982
02:27:18.040 --> 02:27:20.799
than you know, I'll lay down
and go to sleep, because I switched

1983
02:27:20.799 --> 02:27:24.600
myself back onto a day thing,
because that's when everything happens. You can't

1984
02:27:24.600 --> 02:27:28.360
get much done in the middle of
the night. People get upset when you

1985
02:27:28.440 --> 02:27:31.799
fire up a weed eater or something
at three o'clock in the morning. I

1986
02:27:31.840 --> 02:27:35.280
don't know why, but you know, because it's just not on my schedule.

1987
02:27:35.319 --> 02:27:37.280
I don't know why. You know, there should be more people on

1988
02:27:37.360 --> 02:27:39.479
my schedule. They should be comfortable
with it. That's cool. It's blowing

1989
02:27:39.559 --> 02:27:43.360
lays at three am. Yeah,
but for some reason they get upset.

1990
02:27:43.440 --> 02:27:48.280
So so I switched myself to two
days a week. That's why I don't

1991
02:27:48.280 --> 02:27:54.639
sleep a lot, because I screw
up my sleep so badly. But yeah,

1992
02:27:54.680 --> 02:28:01.799
it's like it's storm and like crazy, and these are quarter size rain

1993
02:28:01.879 --> 02:28:05.760
drops coming down, lightning, thunder
everywhere. The wind was just blowing everything

1994
02:28:05.879 --> 02:28:09.159
sideways. It was just I was
loving every minute of it because I love

1995
02:28:09.239 --> 02:28:11.920
that stuff. I love nature,
you know, I don't care what part

1996
02:28:11.920 --> 02:28:16.000
of nature it is, even the
wild part. I love it. I've

1997
02:28:16.000 --> 02:28:18.799
been in tornadoes, not The only
thing I haven't been in is a hurricane,

1998
02:28:20.719 --> 02:28:22.760
you know. I mean, I've
been down to the south that way,

1999
02:28:22.840 --> 02:28:26.639
but I've never experienced a hurricane.
So that's probably about the only thing

2000
02:28:26.680 --> 02:28:31.920
I've not I've been in thunder snowstorms, two of them, and that's the

2001
02:28:31.959 --> 02:28:35.840
coolest thing in the world. It's
snowing and when that lightning story shoots out

2002
02:28:35.840 --> 02:28:46.719
there, everything lights up like daytime. Yeah that's after eight. But the

2003
02:28:46.840 --> 02:28:50.440
next day I start, I get
to fire going. I stoke up to

2004
02:28:50.479 --> 02:28:54.440
fire, get it going good.
And I walk up towards where the trackway

2005
02:28:54.559 --> 02:28:58.760
was, and I felt and I
figured, you know, the rains probably

2006
02:28:58.799 --> 02:29:03.040
just just decimated snow that was there, because it was just the most amazing

2007
02:29:03.040 --> 02:29:07.399
downpours that were coming down. And
when I got back up to the snow

2008
02:29:07.399 --> 02:29:09.159
truck, I didn't walk up to
it. I drove up to it a

2009
02:29:09.159 --> 02:29:13.479
little while later, but it was
still there. Most of the prince were

2010
02:29:13.479 --> 02:29:16.840
still there. I was just blown
away that it didn't get washed away or

2011
02:29:16.920 --> 02:29:20.840
rained out. That was very odd. But I get about halfway up there.

2012
02:29:22.079 --> 02:29:24.760
I'm just walking up the road,
just going on a little morning stroll,

2013
02:29:24.120 --> 02:29:28.680
give my blood pumping, and I
thought I saw a little a little

2014
02:29:28.719 --> 02:29:31.159
bit of a structure on one side, and I kind of dismissed it.

2015
02:29:31.200 --> 02:29:35.200
But there was an arch there that
that an old log was laid on top

2016
02:29:35.239 --> 02:29:37.079
of. And the tree that was
arched was way too young for that log

2017
02:29:37.159 --> 02:29:41.840
had fallen on it because the log
was actually placed there from somewhere else.

2018
02:29:43.879 --> 02:29:46.760
And I went, oh, okay, well that part's probably real, and

2019
02:29:46.760 --> 02:29:50.680
maybe the I I'm real critical when
I look at these sects. You know,

2020
02:29:50.840 --> 02:29:54.920
I got to make sure that it
wasn't from it. It's not a

2021
02:29:54.959 --> 02:29:58.399
dead fall, it's not a woman
to fall it. You know, it

2022
02:29:58.479 --> 02:30:01.280
was built this way. It could
a person do this. Like I have

2023
02:30:01.360 --> 02:30:07.280
a large arch structure that goes up
about thirty five feet high. It's a

2024
02:30:07.319 --> 02:30:11.120
big arch. The tree is probably
eighty ninety feet long. That's arched,

2025
02:30:11.520 --> 02:30:15.920
and there's an X in it,
and it's all compressed and held and placed

2026
02:30:15.920 --> 02:30:20.600
by the compression of these axes in
the middle, which there's no way in

2027
02:30:20.680 --> 02:30:24.639
nature that that could happen. And
my son got to see this and he

2028
02:30:24.680 --> 02:30:31.600
went from being on the fence about
Bigfoot. You're going, wow, Dad,

2029
02:30:31.200 --> 02:30:35.840
because I just watched his face just
kind of blink and drop and wanted

2030
02:30:35.920 --> 02:30:39.959
him to really analyze this thing.
And I'm pretty proud of him. He

2031
02:30:39.000 --> 02:30:45.319
came to pretty much the exact same
conclusions I have on and then I said,

2032
02:30:45.360 --> 02:30:48.079
okay, how many how many do
you think it took to build this

2033
02:30:48.159 --> 02:30:50.559
thing? He said, well,
at least three, Dad, He said,

2034
02:30:50.559 --> 02:30:54.079
one had to be holding the arch
down. The other one putting one

2035
02:30:54.159 --> 02:31:01.559
of these post scille went up of
the X forming weaving it in and out

2036
02:31:01.559 --> 02:31:05.600
of the trees to put it under
compression, and while another one is putting

2037
02:31:05.840 --> 02:31:09.360
the second one up and doing the
same thing, weaving in and out of

2038
02:31:09.399 --> 02:31:11.920
the standing trees that are there and
put it under compression. The old thing

2039
02:31:13.040 --> 02:31:18.040
is holding that down is to compression
and the pressure of the X. If

2040
02:31:18.079 --> 02:31:20.520
you grab the end of that tree
and shook that limb and probably do the

2041
02:31:20.520 --> 02:31:26.319
wily coyote thing and shoot you across
the roadway, you know, because it's

2042
02:31:26.600 --> 02:31:28.319
like a trap. I was like, man, I could put a news

2043
02:31:28.360 --> 02:31:31.399
here, step in this shit,
and you know, I got it captured

2044
02:31:31.920 --> 02:31:35.840
because there's nothing holding it down.
It's just the compression of the accidents in

2045
02:31:35.840 --> 02:31:41.360
the middle of it holding it in
place in an arch. Really cool spot.

2046
02:31:41.440 --> 02:31:45.159
But anyways, I spotted that piece
and I'm like, well, you

2047
02:31:45.159 --> 02:31:48.639
know, I haven't had any activity. I actually I got one pop the

2048
02:31:48.719 --> 02:31:52.760
day before, and they just do
that. Let me know, well,

2049
02:31:52.760 --> 02:31:54.920
we're here, but we're probably not
going to see it. You know.

2050
02:31:54.959 --> 02:31:56.360
We got our own thing to do, you know, because they got a

2051
02:31:56.399 --> 02:32:00.280
fog. They're big creatures. They
got to eat, you know, and

2052
02:32:00.360 --> 02:32:03.799
the time they take for me,
I feel real special, especially it was

2053
02:32:03.159 --> 02:32:07.280
forty five minutes or an hour and
a half, because that's taken away from

2054
02:32:07.319 --> 02:32:11.840
their foraging time. So I decided, okay, well I'm gonna go back

2055
02:32:11.879 --> 02:32:16.399
to camp Stoke to fire up and
stuff. So I can't whistle with my

2056
02:32:16.440 --> 02:32:20.319
mouth. I never could do that, So I used my fingers and I

2057
02:32:20.440 --> 02:32:26.639
did. I let out this really
big whistle. And when I did that,

2058
02:32:26.959 --> 02:32:30.840
seconds later I heard one of the
pops. It's come from just over

2059
02:32:30.879 --> 02:32:33.559
the top of the hill towards where
the tracks were, but you know,

2060
02:32:33.680 --> 02:32:37.399
just kind of crusted over the hillside. I could tell, you know that

2061
02:32:37.440 --> 02:32:41.040
it was lowered down, and I
went, oh, okay, so I

2062
02:32:41.120 --> 02:32:46.479
houlded up hello, and then you
know, headed back to camp. So

2063
02:32:46.520 --> 02:32:50.239
I went back to camp. My
van's parked close to where I had my

2064
02:32:50.319 --> 02:32:56.159
camp fire, and it's like twenty
feet to the trees behind the where I

2065
02:32:56.280 --> 02:32:58.719
was, and everything else around me
was tall timber. The picture that I

2066
02:32:58.719 --> 02:33:01.079
say, you and me, you
know, that was from that spot,

2067
02:33:01.120 --> 02:33:05.399
and that was from that time right
there. That was that day that's only

2068
02:33:05.399 --> 02:33:09.799
been about six weeks ago. That
was the day after the storm rolled through.

2069
02:33:11.159 --> 02:33:13.479
I was up there camping on top
and so you got me in the

2070
02:33:13.520 --> 02:33:20.520
camp fire right there, and I'm
sitting there and I go over. I

2071
02:33:20.520 --> 02:33:22.959
stoked to fire and get it all
up and ready and everything. And I

2072
02:33:22.959 --> 02:33:26.440
started cleaning up the whole area because
the previous people that camped up, they're

2073
02:33:26.520 --> 02:33:30.280
just left stuff strewed everywhere. So
and that's one of my things. I'm

2074
02:33:30.360 --> 02:33:33.200
up there, I clean up.
That's a respect thing for them, you

2075
02:33:33.239 --> 02:33:37.399
know, and they actually recognize that. And I'll get back to the camp

2076
02:33:37.639 --> 02:33:43.399
the transient at the spring here in
a minute after this. But I'm sitting

2077
02:33:43.440 --> 02:33:46.120
there and I'm going to relax against
the back of the van, and I

2078
02:33:46.200 --> 02:33:52.639
look over and I see a tree
shake a bush and I hear Hi.

2079
02:33:52.799 --> 02:33:56.479
It sounded like the voice of a
young boy. It was JJ, the

2080
02:33:56.479 --> 02:34:00.959
first time you ever vocalized to me. And he said hi. And I

2081
02:34:00.959 --> 02:34:03.799
imagine he was probably cloaked, you
know, because I didn't see him.

2082
02:34:03.920 --> 02:34:09.440
But I can't dismiss that I heard
him say hi, and that was it.

2083
02:34:09.520 --> 02:34:13.200
So HI back, and I said, no, I'll hang here for

2084
02:34:13.239 --> 02:34:15.879
a while and see what happens.
But you know, like I said,

2085
02:34:15.920 --> 02:34:18.719
they get into the busy foraging,
so they don't always have time for me.

2086
02:34:18.799 --> 02:34:22.799
So but he came let me know
that they're there, which I thought

2087
02:34:22.840 --> 02:34:31.120
was absolutely cool. But at the
pond, I verbally, of course,

2088
02:34:31.239 --> 02:34:33.680
I'm like I said, I'm out
there in the woods talking to myself.

2089
02:34:33.719 --> 02:34:37.120
I'm the nut case walking around the
woods talking to himself. I told him

2090
02:34:37.120 --> 02:34:41.600
I would, I'll clean this up
next time I'm out here, I'll clean

2091
02:34:41.680 --> 02:34:46.520
up this mess. You know.
And if you guys want that transient is

2092
02:34:46.559 --> 02:34:48.680
like up the road here, camped
out somewhere else. Don't you go scare

2093
02:34:48.719 --> 02:34:52.799
the hell out of him, you
know, don't hurt him, don't hurt

2094
02:34:52.879 --> 02:34:54.799
him or anything, but you know, kind of scared the hell out of

2095
02:34:54.840 --> 02:34:58.319
him. Maybe teach him a lesson
a little bit from leaving messes like this,

2096
02:34:58.360 --> 02:35:01.600
because this is the the only Wonders
was within miles. You know,

2097
02:35:01.639 --> 02:35:05.479
this is the place for those animals
to come and drink, and for somebody

2098
02:35:05.520 --> 02:35:09.000
destroying and leaving such a disaster was
just beyond me. So the next time

2099
02:35:09.000 --> 02:35:11.639
I came out there, I brought
a rake, I brought bags and everything

2100
02:35:13.079 --> 02:35:20.920
with every intention. Well, Barry
been there by that time and must have

2101
02:35:20.000 --> 02:35:24.559
happened just before I got there,
there was fresh scat, and I mean

2102
02:35:24.639 --> 02:35:30.760
fresh, and he had sprayed everything, and oh my god, I just

2103
02:35:30.760 --> 02:35:35.840
wanted to hurl. This is just
the worst musky, nasty Oh. And

2104
02:35:35.319 --> 02:35:37.840
you can smell a bear in the
woods, and when you smell a bear,

2105
02:35:39.680 --> 02:35:41.799
their spray smells the same way.
And it's the heaviest, nastiest,

2106
02:35:41.920 --> 02:35:48.479
musky, kind of rotten garbage kind
of smell you ever smelled. And when

2107
02:35:48.520 --> 02:35:52.200
it's fresh in your face, it'll
make you hurl. So I'm doing all

2108
02:35:52.239 --> 02:35:56.600
I can do to keep from doing
that. And I started cleaning up all

2109
02:35:56.600 --> 02:36:00.920
that stuff, and I got got
a local up. I even I had

2110
02:36:00.920 --> 02:36:03.479
to go up in the woods because
the bear drug a bunch of stuff up

2111
02:36:03.760 --> 02:36:05.399
that hadn't been done that way before. The bear hadn't done any of that.

2112
02:36:07.239 --> 02:36:09.719
And I could tell the bear had
been there because of the chief marks

2113
02:36:09.799 --> 02:36:15.479
and the fresh scat, and he
probably just left and probably heard me coming.

2114
02:36:16.200 --> 02:36:20.280
Actually it was probably that closing time
that he heard me coming up the

2115
02:36:20.319 --> 02:36:24.399
road and exited the area because everything
was that fresh. Well, I shook

2116
02:36:24.520 --> 02:36:28.239
myself down and got everything in the
bags. As I was tying the last

2117
02:36:28.319 --> 02:36:35.440
bag from four different areas, I
could hear sticks tapping together like they were

2118
02:36:35.559 --> 02:36:41.760
clapping for me, but using sticks
to do it, and that was just

2119
02:36:41.799 --> 02:36:46.719
the coolest thing to happen. I'm
like, am I supposed to take a

2120
02:36:46.719 --> 02:36:50.840
bow? You're welcome, you know, because I promised him I would do

2121
02:36:50.879 --> 02:36:52.639
it, and I showed him that
I would do it. So I think

2122
02:36:52.639 --> 02:36:56.399
that gained a lot of trust.
And I think anybody can do the same

2123
02:36:56.399 --> 02:36:58.559
thing. You know, and had
the contacts that I'm having. You know,

2124
02:36:58.719 --> 02:37:03.719
if you've had more than a accidental
road crossing, you know that they've

2125
02:37:03.719 --> 02:37:07.440
actually come to you to kind of
get to know you. There's a reason

2126
02:37:07.520 --> 02:37:15.879
for it. They will snap a
branch or do the pop malp up and

2127
02:37:15.959 --> 02:37:20.479
it's not too scare you or anything, but to let you know they're there,

2128
02:37:20.559 --> 02:37:24.479
simply start talking to them. That's
all you got to do. Start

2129
02:37:24.520 --> 02:37:26.920
talking to them, Act like they're
an old friend. Hi, how you

2130
02:37:26.959 --> 02:37:31.479
doing. I'm okay with you.
I'm not here to hurt you. You

2131
02:37:31.479 --> 02:37:33.559
know. I would love to see
you, you know, and see what

2132
02:37:33.600 --> 02:37:37.280
happens. Worth perfect for my partner
that I'm that I'm teaching at work.

2133
02:37:37.680 --> 02:37:45.559
The first time he had a large
white sasquatch step out in front of other

2134
02:37:45.680 --> 02:37:50.559
trees and doing the doing a little
tier thing and you know, basically saying

2135
02:37:50.600 --> 02:37:54.399
hello because he asked him to.
I said, it's that simple. So

2136
02:37:54.440 --> 02:37:58.840
if you've made a connection with him, that's the way to start. And

2137
02:38:00.079 --> 02:38:07.680
that's what we call armchair squatching.
Such a such a fascinating story, just

2138
02:38:07.840 --> 02:38:11.479
your whole story. You look at
the whole thing, starting way way back

2139
02:38:11.479 --> 02:38:16.000
when you're sixteen. I was terrified
thing. It's just really cool and I

2140
02:38:16.079 --> 02:38:22.719
completely turned around and completely changed,
and now I'm having spending time with them,

2141
02:38:22.799 --> 02:38:26.079
and each time is longer and longer. The first time was forty five

2142
02:38:26.120 --> 02:38:31.200
minutes and the second time was an
hour and a half. And yes,

2143
02:38:31.280 --> 02:38:35.120
folks, I crossed the road to
the Woo camp. I was flesh and

2144
02:38:35.159 --> 02:38:39.840
blood solid. I've never seen any
weirdness happened. None of this stuff has

2145
02:38:39.879 --> 02:38:43.799
ever happened. You people are crazy. The more time you spend with him,

2146
02:38:43.879 --> 02:38:48.760
the more step they allow you to
see and just go with it.

2147
02:38:48.760 --> 02:38:50.760
It's okay, you know, you'll
figure it out later. But it's the

2148
02:38:50.799 --> 02:38:54.799
coolest thing in the world. It
really is. It is amazing, and

2149
02:38:54.760 --> 02:39:00.959
it's just going to get better and
better, you know, and thank you

2150
02:39:01.000 --> 02:39:05.399
for sharing your story, Bill is
very crediful. I hope. Well,

2151
02:39:05.440 --> 02:39:09.239
it's worth worth the right Definitely.
A lot of listeners need to realize that

2152
02:39:09.280 --> 02:39:13.760
a lot of these interviews, a
lot of them take a long time to

2153
02:39:13.760 --> 02:39:16.879
set up and to wait for them
to happen. So there's a lot of

2154
02:39:16.920 --> 02:39:20.639
work that goes into it, for
sure, but it's worth it waiting to

2155
02:39:20.680 --> 02:39:24.799
talk to you, Bill. How
can people keep up to date with what's

2156
02:39:24.799 --> 02:39:31.479
going on with you? Or can
they contact you if they have well encounters

2157
02:39:31.479 --> 02:39:35.959
to report in Oregon? Or the
easiest way to find me is on Facebook?

2158
02:39:35.120 --> 02:39:41.120
Okay? Cool. I've actually pretty
much kept a low profile until now,

2159
02:39:41.520 --> 02:39:46.319
and pretty much only the researchers knew
who I was. Ken gart Urge

2160
02:39:46.360 --> 02:39:50.479
like my little brother, you know, Alex Doug Eycheck. They all know

2161
02:39:50.600 --> 02:39:54.239
who I am. You know,
everybody knows that Adam Davies set me an

2162
02:39:54.239 --> 02:40:00.840
invite from he was somewhere up in
the Arctic, somewhere were when Adam sent

2163
02:40:00.920 --> 02:40:03.760
me an invite, you know,
to be on his friends list. Adam,

2164
02:40:03.319 --> 02:40:07.159
Gwen, all of them, I'm
you know, the she Squatchers.

2165
02:40:07.360 --> 02:40:09.799
They're all all good friends and they've
known about a lot of my stuff,

2166
02:40:11.879 --> 02:40:13.799
but I kept a low profile because
I didn't want to be public about things.

2167
02:40:15.200 --> 02:40:18.399
But now it's kind of my clan
is they're kind of pushing me.

2168
02:40:18.879 --> 02:40:22.920
They want me to put their story
out there because they want people to know

2169
02:40:22.959 --> 02:40:26.719
that they're not some big, scary
creature. So the easiest way because I

2170
02:40:26.760 --> 02:40:33.120
was a horse trainer for twenty years
and I was everything completely natural horsemanship all

2171
02:40:33.159 --> 02:40:37.079
the way, no force, know
nothing, and I had an amazing results.

2172
02:40:37.079 --> 02:40:41.040
So that what killed my business was
the economy with the first crash,

2173
02:40:41.120 --> 02:40:46.440
when the housing market everything went down. My hay built went from two dollars

2174
02:40:46.440 --> 02:40:52.079
apiece to eighteen fifty gyas was over. That was the first time it shot

2175
02:40:52.079 --> 02:40:56.319
over four dollars a gallon and I
had to give everything up. I gave

2176
02:40:56.360 --> 02:41:01.319
away a half million dollars with the
horses, absolutely gave them away. And

2177
02:41:01.840 --> 02:41:05.079
so you can find me on your
mustanger bill. That's the easiest way to

2178
02:41:05.120 --> 02:41:09.399
put in your search. It'll come
up. You'll see me. And I'm

2179
02:41:09.479 --> 02:41:16.319
in Willow Creek with one of the
big famous Bigfoot statues and Willow Creek.

2180
02:41:16.399 --> 02:41:20.040
I went there for my birthday this
year because i'd never been there. I

2181
02:41:20.079 --> 02:41:26.959
was very unfortunately I was very disappointed
and how everything has degraded. It's still

2182
02:41:28.000 --> 02:41:31.479
savable if somebody, some entrepreneur went
in and said, hey, you know,

2183
02:41:31.479 --> 02:41:35.360
we're gonna put some money out,
let's fix this. We can stabilize

2184
02:41:35.399 --> 02:41:37.639
all the wood carvings, because that
can all still be fixed. I'm a

2185
02:41:37.680 --> 02:41:41.920
carpenter, so I know that can
be fixed. And fix these places up,

2186
02:41:41.959 --> 02:41:48.719
because that's what put that place on
the map was Sasquatch. Noisanswer butts.

2187
02:41:48.000 --> 02:41:52.959
The only thing is in good shape
there is the hardware store. The

2188
02:41:52.000 --> 02:41:56.600
painting on the hardware store with all
the big Foot's doing working with the natives

2189
02:41:56.639 --> 02:42:01.440
and everything, that beautiful iconic piece
is pressing. It looks wonderful they've done.

2190
02:42:01.920 --> 02:42:05.399
They've done a great job. I
went into the hardware store to check

2191
02:42:05.440 --> 02:42:07.879
it out and like, well,
there's no big Foot stuff in here,

2192
02:42:07.920 --> 02:42:11.159
but it's all on the outside pretty
cool. It's not really steep little hill

2193
02:42:11.159 --> 02:42:13.399
to get up into there, too, But I went and checked everything out.

2194
02:42:13.639 --> 02:42:18.920
Unfortunately, in the bookstore, which
I understand Steven's moving out of there,

2195
02:42:20.239 --> 02:42:22.639
but I think a stiff one would
probably blow it to the ground.

2196
02:42:22.319 --> 02:42:26.120
Um, just a lot of stuff. Unfortunately, I couldn't go out to

2197
02:42:26.120 --> 02:42:31.319
Bluff Creek itself because there was a
big sinkhole that happened at the time,

2198
02:42:31.479 --> 02:42:35.879
just happened probably days before I got
there, and so they had the road

2199
02:42:35.120 --> 02:42:39.680
kind of blocked off. So I
didn't make it out there one of my

2200
02:42:39.719 --> 02:42:43.079
next trips because I have other people
that are out there right now that are

2201
02:42:43.120 --> 02:42:46.840
that are there at Bluff Bluff Creek
and they're camping right now at this moment,

2202
02:42:48.440 --> 02:42:52.319
and it was some of the researchers
I was just with and which I

2203
02:42:52.360 --> 02:42:56.000
love. Beach Foot. You got
to come, Jeremiah, Absolutely, you

2204
02:42:56.079 --> 02:42:58.040
got to come. Come do interviews
with all of us. I've had an

2205
02:42:58.040 --> 02:43:03.239
invite for a few years. And
so get a hold of Chid hold On,

2206
02:43:03.440 --> 02:43:05.120
hold On, I want to go
get your butt there, Bill hold

2207
02:43:05.120 --> 02:43:09.120
On. I'm going to talk to
the listener for a second. Listener.

2208
02:43:09.319 --> 02:43:13.440
Here's the thing. I have these
invites to go to places like beach Foot,

2209
02:43:13.600 --> 02:43:18.479
but I can't because hey, nine
to five right. The cool thing

2210
02:43:18.559 --> 02:43:22.840
is that, you know, there's
the goal of going full time with big

2211
02:43:22.840 --> 02:43:28.879
Foot Society. I'm thirty to nine
percent of the way there. Congratulations,

2212
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Thank you listeners. If you want
to jump on the train and help me,

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get there. This gets me to
places like beach Foot where I can

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interview people in person and like it
can happen some day, So he can

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write it off because it is part
of the show. That's what makes it

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happen. That's happen. Someday.
I will get out there because I have

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to meet Kip. You know.
So he's so elusive. He's the most

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elucive cryptid is on the planet.
Like I said, I've seen eight sasquatches,

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zero kIPS. Now I finally got
one Kip, and I actually have

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a photograph to prove it. Bill. It's been so much fun. Chat

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Mustanger. Bill. That's where you
can find out on Facebook. I've I've

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opened up. I have four hundred
fans now on there. U. Yeah,

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that's just from the book. And
a matter of fact, people started

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to recognize me a couple of years
ago at Squatch Fest. I was with

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Ken Gerhard and then Ken kind of
looked at me that because I was taking

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away from his glory at the time. We recognize you know what you do

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from what I forgot. I was
even in the book. Oh oh from

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face to face. Oh okay,
okay, this is what an amazing story.

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As you know things have changed.
I'll have to check that book out.

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Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, but
well it was great. I'm glad

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we finally got to catch up.
Maybe he'll have me again sometime and we'll

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talk about little more of what's been
going on tomorrow. You got it,

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well, Bill, thanks so much
for coming on. I appreciate it.

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And uh, baby there, this
is honestly a record and it'll probably be

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a two part episode. But thanks
so much, Bill, Oh Joe,

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I have a great day here at
Bigfoot Society. Article is to provide a

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platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot
to share their encounter in a safe and

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02:45:24.520 --> 02:45:30.920
respected environment. But we need to
hear your story. If you've experienced something

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that you just can't explain, please
send me an email at Bigfoot Society at

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gmail dot com. Then we can
start the conversation. And I know a

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lot of you have not shared your
encounter at all. It's been twenty years

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02:45:48.239 --> 02:45:52.079
and it's time that you get this
off your chest and then you can get

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02:45:52.120 --> 02:45:56.319
some well deserved for rest, because
I know you haven't been sleeping. I

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understand what you're going through and I
appreciate every one of you. Listen. Then