Sasquatch Grabbed the Camera: Allegheny Bigfoot Is Close!

0:00 You're listening to Big for Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Logan Sheeshau is back with more information about the Bigfoot live Stream app. And you're not going to want to miss this one. They've been capturing things around the US and what they've been able to get themselves into in Pennsylvania is quite extraordinary. So sit back, relax, and stay with us as we catch up again with Logan Chessau. All right, Big for Society, you've got the privilege of talking to Logan Chessau again. He's an individual We talked back in I believe October twenty twenty four, the end of twenty twenty four about his app, the Bigfoot live Stream App, which is an interesting project that he's got going on, a lot of really cool stuff pretty much looking for Bigfoot remotely all over the US. So we've got Logan back gone to get an update about what he has uncovered since then and good stuff like that.

1:08 So welcome to the show. Logan. How's it going today? Man? It's going right. How are you doing, sir? Oh, I'm I'm doing great. I'm doing great, up and up in the attic doing doing interviews. I love it so logan. Is there anything else that the let's let's pretend you know it's a new listener who hasn't gone back to episode five point fifty seven and heard that first one. Any any short things that people might need to know about you as well before we get into the updates. Sure, I'll try to make it a trunk trunk caated just a brief kind of overview here.

1:52 Sure. So a lot of my field research has been up in Radium, British Columbia for the last I guess four to five years here, and that's kind of what got me started on building big to the live stream app and trying to build a collaboration tool for researchers and enthusiasts what what have you? So, I think when we chatted back in. October and the system up for a little bit just in one location up in around Radio, British Columbia, and we've gotten some decent amount of data for about three months, like just to kick off of it, and and then we kind of went winter Eyes for about I don't know, four.

2:45 To five months there. And in the meantime I've been doing some stuff and kind of grown grown things. But as far as the app, itself. It's really just a tool, a tool and idea for people that are, like I said, Bigfoot enthusiasts, researchers, people that want data driven I guess architecture that can be you know, reviewed and scrutinized by anyone. So it's kind of an idea that came out of me having a lot of interactions up there and wanted them to have I guess kind of share Bigfoot high frequency hot zones, high frequency if you want to call them, which habituation.

3:37 Areas with the world, and trying to grow. That and collaborate with people and researchers that are active that have these spots and where we could get data, video, audio, a whole lot of data points in there, as far as you know, when is the most activity, When when do the when do these beings come out the most? You know, during the full moon? Is it during the rainstorms parts of the country. I mean, there's sounds of data to be collected, and and that's just kind of the just a handful of things I'm kind.

4:17 Of sorting and parsing through. But but yeah, that's kind of the high level update kind of from October and I can start digging and giving you what's kind of happened between then and now. Absolutely, before we do that, I do want to probably address something that's on new listeners' minds that haven't gone back to episode five fifty seven, which I'd really recommend you do, because they've heard the term radium in British Columbia and they're like, oh, is this is this a thing like headed up by Todd Standing? Is it is outside of that? Correct? It's it's pretty much your own project or what is the current status of that right now?

5:03 So I do collaborate with Todd be up in that area because it is his kind of research area and I'm looking for those high frequency spots. It's not it's not it's really my my project, and I'm not just focusing on one researcher one area. It's kind of US and Canada abroad at least for the time being. It could go over to Russia maybe, but but yeah, it's one of the sites that has three different streams up right now is is in Radium. I have other researchers I'm working with. In Pennsylvania undisclosed location, and I'm still trying to grow the network and get more areas around Texas, Alabama, Georgia, California's in the north, the Northwest region, Oregon.

6:04 All those places. So it's kind of a you know, people have their opinions of Todd. I'm just trying to give all the data and let people make their own decisions. So that's that's kind of my stance. Absolutely, thank you for addressing that for a few minutes. So what has happened since we last talked, Because I've kind of seen some stuff and I'm thinking there's been some some interesting things that have happened. I'm going to let you go ahead and let me share some things that you've learned along the way since late twenty twenty four.

6:47 Yeah, I guess I'll kind of start where I left off as far as the architecture goes, and I'll try not to get too technical with it. But one of the things I've been trying to figure out is how to make things more reliable and off grid and try to get those areas that are deep in the woods like obtainable to people without having direct AC power or power source that's on the grid. So I have basically solved that problem. Mostly on my own. I did do some outside consulting with some energy people that are good at what they do. That has been resolved for the most part. I'm still tweaking things. Everything can be optimized, but I have a solid footprint and poop the concept and I have the proven concept running and I'm building two more units as we speak.

7:45 So it's that's one kind of update. So it's not just for you know, having with power out in the woods, it's for basically anywhere national forests, remote locations. It's long as they can get a clear signal to the sky, it's doable. Nothing's ever going to be perfect off grid as far as you know. If it rains a whole week straight and it's solar driven and battery driven, you know, it might have some downtime, right, But those are thank forces of nature that I can't I can't solve. So so that's kind of the architecture update.

8:25 As far as app updates. In the off season, I really tried to work and reach out to a lot of people and try to find good, good. Researchers to work with good hot activity sites. So I had I had one slated for Alabama that kind of fell through, and at the very last second I had two in the in the northeast, in the in the state of Pennsylvania up. Like, I had to really scramble to get get that going like as soon as possible. So I literally built two systems within like a week and a half and flew flew up there. Let's see, I flew up there in April and set up two systems in April, back to back work with a team of people, a research team.

9:23 Have a hot hot down up there, and it's kind of around the Allegheny Forest. Both these sites are. So and they're kind of private, so it's you know, I can I can kind of get general general locations. But you know, they've they've been having activity in this area for ten plus years now and they're and they've been on the fence. They were on the fence for a few months trying to figure out if they really wanted to do this and kind of put themselves out there a little bit more than they were doing with. The research teamounts there. So finally, fortunately we finally convinced them to you know, to work with us and try to build some data.

10:10 So right now we've got four streams up there. And I'll also implement thermal into these feeds, so both actually all three sites right now, two in Pennsylvania and one in British Columbia, they all have a thermal feed going at the same time. So it's high end optical paired with a thermal thermal lens that actually streams twenty four to seven as well, and the thermal is actually programmed to follow heat so as well as the optical, so any kind of heat signatures, movement signatures, anything. These cameras are all high end pin tilt zoom, so they will spin around three sixty if they need to, but any any kind of movement they and they will try to follow it and track it. And it kind of helps my back end architecture in a sense that if I do have movement, it's easier for me to program some of these things that are kind of already integrated into these cameras. So I don't know anyone out there that's kind of pushed it to that limit yet.

11:25 I know there's people using. Drones and thermal like you know, handheld, but I don't think anyone is really doing what I'm doing as far as I'm live and also have it searchable, so. So I know I'm going deep into architecture. If you want me to like pump the brakes and kind of get into some other things, I can. I can. I can go that direction too. I will say the other functionality that I think is important, and I have everything basically build a streaming service within this app. So just think of it as for the for the last two weeks to four weeks, you can review any footage you want from any of these streams.

12:12 So they go on two hour chunks and it's all automated. So every two hours you're. Going to get seven different outputs in that functionality within the app to where you can go and review all these chunks in time if you really wanted to, if you thought you saw something, or if you wanted to review something from three am in the morning, you can go directly to that. You don't have to watch it live, and you can report on anything that you find that the back end architecture hasn't seen. Right, So there's plenty of there's plenty of opportunity for people to go in and dig and collaborate and find find things. I still use it, Like I said, the system's not perfect, right, Like there's opportunity to find the signature movement that my architecture may or may not be able to pick up just because it's so subtle or it's quick. So yeah, I still need help and at the end of the day, I still need eyes on things to have people like review footage and like talk about things they.

13:20 Find and then help me so I can. Post all those findings within the app or post it to social media or whatever it is, right, So I think that's important the note. And then another important thing as far as the architecture. Again, I'm talking high level here as much as I can, but it's complicated. But I do have like machine learning and AI pipelines in the back that's actively grabbing all those chunks of data and sticking that into database back ends and doing logging and review and marketing spots. So you've had to think of it as a.

14:03 You're use some of these camera systems and they have those event monitors. It's it's that, but it's more focused towards an algorithm that I'm building that's really focused more towards big foot and not waving of trees or. You know, some kind of animal or a car driving by right or that's human. It's it's more human oriented and eat signature organ oriented and frequency oriented so and and amplitude as far as south. But so yeah, that's that's kind of in the background. So it's it's a big.

14:45 Hot mess of work for me. I am working on every day and right now I'm doing all that. On my own. As far as the programming goes. And the and the app and really reaching out to people. There's a couple of folks I'm working with are kind of on board and kind of enjoy the project and want it to grow. So I do have that, But as far as a lot of the just head down on the keyboard. It's pretty much me doing everything. So if anyone really wanted to get involved and help me, I'm open to it because I'm only one person. And the sometimes it takes an army. But yeah, that's that's kind of the architecture update.

15:27 I do have a few questions for you about some stuff you just said if that's okay, yeah, so. And yeah, well this will probably get deep, but it's all right. So are you then at the point where you have trained AI to look for certain things that would look like the form of an ape or a humanoid. I think you were getting to that point. Last time we talked about are you actually at that point where the AI can notify you and be like, hey, we've got something here. Yes, And it's i'd say it's a little it's like threaded, it's looking for that. So it's it is gearing up to just be that model, right, but it's still in data collection mode to build the full model, if that makes sense. So it's it is geared towards that. Yes, So it is machine learning AI. That's basically me tweaking and revamping at based on the findings that we're getting.

16:40 But as far as being done with the actual model and like reproducible and I could I could share an actual model, it's not that all the way. I need more data, yeah, gotcha. And I would guess you're gonna The way for you to get more data is you need more sites where you can have this system set up and then take more data in. Is that right? Yeah? The more the more sites, the better. The more people finding anomaly that I haven't found, the better. It's it's data to par So it's just with seven streams, it's about four terabytes a month maybe, and that's and that's with the bitrate uh, kind of scaled down a little bit just for the time being.

17:34 If I if I max it up all the way to four K on everything, I mean, it's it's kind of double. It's going to be like eight terabytes of data. But I can't really pull I can't really do that unless I get you know, real a lot of more people engaged, because I mean, this is pretty much all on my dime at this point. That's what I'm kind of looking for, the right people, the right involvement people to really collaborate with me so i can like push this to the limit. And I've got I've got other things in the back ends doing as far as like better technology and working with some folks in the government and working with light ar, working with thermal drones. All these things are flowing around in the back of my head on things that we could do.

18:20 Here, gotcha. So these are ideas you have. You're not saying you're actually working with someone in the government, but potential in the future. I've reached out to people and I've got I've got some spec sheets in front of me that would work, and I've got, you know, the right contacts. I just need some of the equipment's is super pricey. So you know, twenty dollars for one high end four K level X thermal that they use for the Department of Agriculture for instance. Right, So I could really get the clarity like ten times better on the thermal just by implementing that. But you know, I just I need to find the resources.

19:11 So I don't have like a Kickstarter or anything. Like I said, it's all pretty much just me kind of trying to fund this. I've thought about doing some crowdfunding, but I just haven't got there yet. Yeah, it's pretty much so do you and the support from the access to the app? Correct, yep, yep, yep. Wow, that's that's it's extremely daunting that you're taking all this on yourself. It's very very very cool. You had mentioned that you also there was frequency involved with things you were looking into for the AI model. Can you go a little bit more into that, like what you mean when you say frequency.

19:58 So, I have a. Associated that's truly into audio, and I've got some other people that are really into looking at audio. They put recorders out everywhere and they're they're really using that as a source of truth and evidence. So they're like a lot of the frequency is between a certain hurts and that they're looking for in the signal on the spectrum. So when they find like howls and calls and like. Even like far off returns, like a lot of it, based on what people are giving me, is in within a certain range. So I'm trying to dial things in to be like start in that range and kind of look in that range based on evidence that the people have given me. But at the same time, I'm trying to do it on level of magnitude and amplitude, because there's some really high amplitude like actual tree knocks or whatever you want to call them, power knocks. They sound like shotguns to be honest with you, it sounds like somebody's shooting a gun. So I'm really looking for those parts in the algorithm. And like I said, it's it's a work in progress, right, Like once we're going in on that, maybe we'll find some different sets of data within go search in different loans. But like there's certain

21:31 frequencies like for birds, right you can tell just looking at the visual if you're looking at a program and you're looking at the sound spikes, like when there's a bird caller. It's kind of in the higher range, and a lot of times when it's a bigfoot oriented you know, you can say it's potential. But a lot of it. Seems to be kind of substantiated from my point, they're kind of in the lower range, So kind of focusing on that. Absolutely, are you able to dial in and look specifically for like hypothetically twenty to forty Hurtz. Yep, I can I can do any of that.

22:12 That's awesome. I've tried to do all the research in the coding that I could to make it as optimal as possible, so. I can go tweak it. It's just a. New commit on the code and change it if we want to change it. But I've kind of dialed in as far as the coding goes on that on that machine learning pipeline, like what I think. We need to start where we need to start at. I gave it some live. Logan's Logan's just been cut off for the second time in this interview. My stuff is just going absolutely bonkers.

22:55 I'm going to try to call him back right now. Both times it's like all of a sudden, I hear and it just gets totally cut off. All right, I'm gonna go ahead and process. Hey logan you there. Yeah, sorry about it. I've shut down all other electronics on my desk, so I don't know if there was some weird like interference there something. It was like my Bluetooth was just getting like shut off. So okay, So yeah, we were just we were just talking about some really interesting stuff, which was that you're able to dial it in for twenty to forty hurts, which to break that down for listeners that aren't on the same I guess wavelength kind of. Uh, that's pretty much when you're able to look for infrasound, right.

24:06 Yep, yep, there's infrasound there. And then there's a little bit like a lot of the I'd say, if if you're getting like, uh whatever the ohio how or. Callback that's in the distance, you know, maybe a mile. Away somewhere between the six thousand, that's kind of I'm kind of staying in that range event. But yeah, it's it's kind of multifaceted in that sense. And there's some. There's some other office shelf products audio recorders that have found that are trying to do infra kind of infra stuff, and some bad stuff and some weird things.

24:51 But yeah, it's it's it's all over the it's all over the place. That's that's extremely interesting. Have you had any any luck getting any of that captured or it's still in the dialing in process. Dialing it in. So there's the other thing is is depending on where you put the system, Like I have one system that's almost like a natural creak swampy area, so it's a challenge to clean up some stuff and do not have interference on some of these locations. But the one out in uh Radiumberish Columbia, I think that it's like.

25:40 Is a really good test and capturing that because even though like uh so, some of these systems, like you can hear a little bit of ambient almost mechanical noise from the camera sometimes, but as far as as just absolute quietness, it is Christine because like most of the time, you know, I'm hearing bugs on there. It is it is just dead silent, and it is like, that's opportunity for capping something like that. Gotcha?

26:22 Since since that time late twenty twenty four, have you have you captured any interesting things through your systems on these sites that you've been able to. Partner with. Captured a few things. I finally I went to Radium to go set up the off grade system and the direct current all non AC based system there in June, so that one's still going. They've had a lot of rain here this week, so it's I'm still uh. I'm working with.

27:02 Todd to to get another battery and just to cover some of the magnitude of brain they had. But I've had some interesting findings in the Allegheny place, for sure. I'm interesting anio. Out of Radium and some some hate signatures out of Radium, some hate signatures out of Alleghany, some bigfoot gremlins out of Alleghany that I don't I don't know what to do with it. Like I think I posted so I posted this one. I think it's on the app and it's on Instagram.

27:45 I'm not like, I'm really bad at social media. I need to get a better at it to be fair if I kind of want to grow this. But I think I do have a YouTube and Instagram and a Facebook, and I I. Just started doing some TikTok stuff. I've been trying to stay away meant for a long time, just because personally I try to not to like go zombie mode on that stuff, but I kind of need it to grow things. But there was this incense about a. Week after setting up the system in Allegheny to where the camera is about nine feet in the air off this metal and wood apparatus that was built by another researcher to help mount it, and it's kind of scanning the tree line there on the back end of this property.

28:34 And whatever it was, I had the IR on to begin with. Right now, I'm doing test betting and turning the IR off fully and just using ambient light and moonlight and stuff like that just to see the differences on like activity versus iron and off. But that first week of IR on, when we set it up, something crossed directly in front of the camera, and again it's is nine feet tall. And it went back and forth, and it's not like level ground in front of it. It's kind of like a little hilly ditch there and a tree stump like kind of in the mix.

29:15 It's like a saw down tree stump. And there's no way for me to even touch that camera without getting on a ladder. But whatever it was across in front. Of it, it gave like the weird thing is is I don't know what to do with it. And I posted it a few different places and talked about it, and I haven't really got any real good feedback on what it is, aside people saying, oh, that's not you know, it's not anything. It's somebody like playing with you. But there's like this head that comes into the picture, like it looks like the back of a head a mouse, or the back of the head and neck. It's so close to the IR like to get that close to the IR light, you have to be right up on it almost to walk the entire thing, the entire lens, you'd have to be all the way up to it completely.

30:12 And this thing blocks it and the refraction from the ire light turns it whites it out right. So it's so so close to the IR that it whpes it out completely. And it's like it looks like. The first of it looks kind of like the back of the head, like I'm saying, and then it goes it kind of goes back and forth in front of its camera like it's. Like super like I slowed it down, but. If you do it regular speed, it's really quick and it lasts for about twenty five seconds where it goes back and forth and blocks the camera, and at one in the frame it's so close that you can see it. Almost looks like a textured skin. I think you can see it's like a blotch. I don't know if you've ever seen a new word maybe and their skin is blocked.

31:00 It looks like that. And then after it goes by, there's almost like a suture or a stitch on on whatever. Like I said, I'm not defenditive on what this is. I'm just saying it's interesting. But if it looks like a suture or a stitch on the skin of whatever this is, you see in two different frames of the imagery. And I've reached. Out to people and I've tried to people say, well, it's someone wearing a hoodie and they got on a ladder and they went back and forth in front of your land, and that stitch is a stitch from clothing, and and I'm so I went out and did my own testing with it, since I had my lab, I bought a hoodie on and did that, and I did it with various other objects like like football or baseball, you know, things that have like clear stitches and see what it would look like in they r and nothing honey does the texture of honey, and the texture of cloting doesn't match the texture of you know, just athletic stitches and stuff like that. I've tried some other stuff, but I just can't find a solid match to what it is. If you really, you know, look at the evidence and actually try to recreate it, I haven't been able to say that is that. And I don't understand how it would be nine feet up in the air

32:32 and only be a portion of it. So it really didn't make any sense to me. Like I try to debunk it my own and I haven't debunked it, and I can't figure out like you can see like a ridge of like the outline has a texture of some kind of buzz or hair, but it's not like matted hair anything, right, It's not something you would think of, Hey, that's a big foot the back of a pig, but it's got you know, four or five inches of hair all over it. So again I don't really know what it is. I've been in debate since this side is so. So active and they actually leave things all around the property.

33:15 If it wasn't you know, the back of the head of a big foot. Maybe it was something they were waving in front of the camera since it was new to them, and maybe it wasn't. And then I'm an object that I don't know what it was. But still I don't know what would be waving that nine feet in the air and like blocking the r and going back and forth for twenty five seconds. So it's really intriguing. Like I said, that site is I can give you backstories to that site, but it's been really highly active for at least ten years now, and the property owners are just learned to deal with it, and they're they're really nice people and they're kind of assimilated to it now.

34:04 But like they they leave items all over that place. There's, for instance, they left these huge boulders all over their property. They've left chickens all around that place with their heads off. There's dogs that go missing in those woods and they come up to the property and look for these dogs, and as of recent like five different dogs have been missing there, and they slap their house. I'd say at least twice a week they'll go up and slap and bang on their house like really fast and just knock pictures off the wall even they hit the house so hard. And it's not just the property owners they experience it.

34:45 There's teams of people that go out there and see these things, and they see orbs. There was an ORB there. When I was there to go do the system, for instance, and that, and again I'm trying to give you a multitude of things that happened just in Allegheny, But like the very first few days there when we brought the system up and I started kind of putting it to the back end and doing and recording, there was this And this is like the very first night, even a proper property owner was using the app. And they're up all night anyway with they have their own their own kind of problems, but they really enjoy like looking at it.

35:31 And they captured some still heat signatures before I actually had the system actually set up to record fully of unactual bigfoot like heat signatures there. And it's it looks like a classic big foot with a you know, kind of that stature. It's probably. Thirty forty fifty feet in the distance in the tree line and you can kind of see the even the the backside of it, like he has a large rear end right, I'm saying he. I don't know if that to he or she. But so I had a whole other system, a whole other camera that I've this is where the WU comes in. I've had this other system there for audio and another camera that we ran three hundred feet of cat cable.

36:26 Out into the wood palid thing. And every single time. I stood it up and the system like stood that camera up when I was there, it would not turn on. Actually such a holling apart. And tried to debug it, and then I would take it into the garage and plug it in, everything the same, and it would turn on. And I go out into the woods and plug it in. It wouldn't turn on, and I was getting so so irritated with it. I couldn't figure out why it wouldn't turn on, why it won't come on, And then. I ran out on top. So I'd take it home and do testing with it, and there's absolutely zero wrong with it. Like I ran it for three months straight when I took it home, no problems. And then I sent a brand new one up there to a researcher since I already had it all laid out for them, just to go plug it in, right, So they spent a day doing the same song and dance that I did.

37:22 Where it would work. They take it out in the woods, wouldn't work, wouldn't turn on. These games are amber even at because that's how I designed the architecture to not have to have a powercorn three hundred foot cables and this is the same link and they're working. Just find no problems. And we swapped cables out, we smack camels out, and I can't get this deep wood camera action to work in the location we wanted. And that's just kind of one of those blue things that I haven't figured out yet. I don't understand it. So I still have to. Go back out there, figure out a location that will work, set up another camera.

38:03 So it is difficult, though to give keep people's privacy and to live stream at the same time and not giveaway areas or you know, anything like that. So we're thinking about. Creative ways to do that without like giving away locations or getting into their own lives. So right now, it's it's it's uh, it's a tree line view of the area that's hot that goes back and forth for them, but. It's pretty intriguing, and that one, that one is ongoing. I'm capturing a lot of heat signatures out of there they have.

38:46 Captured. So we set up a side camera inside the garage that doesn't go to live stream because it kind of points to this campfire and what the property owners said at that camphire all the time, so I don't really want that monk camera. Sounds from that camera, and that sound like. I don't know what you want to call it, but it was like a growl almost like three different grunt growls, and then it and then the animals in the area kind of run off and then it kind of dissipates. I don't know what to make of it. So I'm trying to be not trying to hide things from these individuals.

39:29 At the same time, I'm trying to do different things and explore what works and what doesn't. So, yeah, there's more to come at that site. The other one has a lot a lot of animals and stuff rolling through, and bears and deer and eagles and beavers. And all these different things. So even if you didn't see a big foot there. You're gonna see tons of animals, especially at night, that are roaming through there. I've gotten so many hundreds of different clips of heat signatures and and it auto zooms in and kind of searches that where it came from and everything. So if you're just kind of a nature enthusiast, that one. I haven't caught as much data on the more wildlife, but it is in a crow's distance flight of this other place and it's still a.

40:22 Zone of activity over there. So yeah, that's that's kind of the update as far as the Pennsylvania sides. So that site sounds absolutely incredible. Have there been actual visual sightings at that location? Yes? Wow, the research team the property owner actually sees them frequently. They were looking through her windows all the time to be fair, and they actually, this is the amazing part. They leave their handprints all over their cars and their windows and it leaves it leaves a white seabum all over the place. So that white resident that researchers talk about, it's all over.

41:03 It's the handprints are unique. It's almost like the thumbs turned up more like an ape like it's not out, it's up. And recently they it was like a smaller it seems like juvenile that did it recently in the last few days, but they actually pull those prints off. The researchers up there will pull those prints off like with a CSI kit. And don't don't ask me questions about that because I am not a fingerprint expert. I and these these people they know what they're doing and I don't. But I've seen what they've what they've done, and it seems like they're doing it the right way, and they're trying to send it to folks like Doug Hicheck and the other people that can get things to the university labs. But if you just run the fingerprints at a cursory check on those fingerprints and say you put it into some of these you know chat CBT and uh, you know the LM's out there, and just say, hey, is this well, can you tell me about this fingerprint? Right, most of the time when you put those into it, it'll say it's not a standard thumb print. So I think, like the you know, the whatever they're called, they're they're too far apart. It has all these weird inconsistencies, And like I said, I can't go off that alone, but it is it is interesting how it doesn't seem like a normal print of a normal human being and they put up there's a researcher out there. Oddly enough, his name

42:35 is Todd, so I work a lot of Todds. But he's done a lot of analysis on the finger print and he collects a lot of that trace evidence there. So they've even when we showed up. We showed up in this kind of this sprinter veyan with another person, and I kind of stayed there that first night, like while we're at the campfire, some one saw something, some movement over there by the cars when we went over there, and there's a huge handprint right like on the on top of the spinner van that we just drove up like hours ago. Right, So I don't understand, Like I'm still trying to figure out how they are just so elusive and sneaky without people noticing. Like I haven't figured that out. It's that site is it's a really good level to try to put high end equipment out and try to capture something and it's only been a few months, right, Like you can't expect something to happen like every single day.

43:39 Right, It's it's consistency that gets your results. So you're gonnare more cameras. I'm just gonna get back out there. But it's they the the other researchers there, they've they've seen them out in the woods. They've seen the glowing eyes. They came up upon them. There's there's a handful of different accounts I can think up at the top, and then there's probably a hundred others that I don't know. They have tried to put out game cams like they put out you know, the movement cams and kind of stuck them in weird places and they tried to catch them off guard, and they really haven't came up with much on that. It's about now we're trying.

44:23 To do this non non non game camera action and set up thermal and set up you know, my system and eventually it'll be more perimeter based around the house when you know, if the propery owners okay with it. But it's definitely a work in progress there and it's definitely like a really good base site. That's it's still it's still pretty much off grid there, don't have a lot of neighbors, and like. I said, it backed up to the forest and they don't you know, you know, they're held really in their private and they I'll tell you this really quick. So when they moved into this house.

45:08 They they got a really good deal on it because the people that were there before them basically bought it, stayed, stayed there a week, and left, and they left all of their stuff in the house and and the and the dishes in the sink. So I don't know if that tells you anything, but whatever it was, they they got out of there quick. The proper owner was walking the tree line just before, probably about a month before I said, that sits them up out there around eastern and with her grand grandchildren, and they they looked up and said, you know, grandma, look look at that. There's an eph right there.

45:48 Right, And it was she looks up and just sees an individual in front of her, and she's seen them a lot, but the grandkids had never seen anything like that, so they didn't know. How to describe the other. And the Hey, there's a big epe over there. What is it doing? Right? And it was literally like twenty feet from them, walking towards them, and she kind of booked it and guy out of there. But you know, it's it's just a hot hot bed of activity there. Wow, you are in the absolute right spot. My my friend, that is that is crazy that you were able to get linked up with a spot like that. I mean, you're going to capture. The chances of you capturing like the next PG film or something, I would say is so high. You have so many like visuals. It's just maybe it just takes them long enough to get used to your setup. And I don't know, man, it just I got a feeling that you're gonna you're gonna get some crazy stuff out of there. You already are getting weird stuff out of there. Is just going to get crazier, and like, what's the what's the plan currently? If like you do get the next you know, you capture the next you know, PG film? Uh using your setup on this property, Like where do you go from there?

47:07 I mean, it's it's trying to get everyone else to like look at all the evidence and say that it's real. You know, it's going to be uphill battle. But if I can, if I can give them, hey, here's twenty four hours or I don't know. Here's thirty days worth of footage, here's the blip where it happened. I have, but before they after everything I have, you know, here's what I've used. Here's the architecture, there's the history, and you know, if you want to look at raw footage, you can look at raw footage if you want to look at something, right, That's that's what people. Aren't really doing. They're not given the whole picture. They're given this three second clip of you know, many of them looking at something in the woods and there's no backstory, there's no anything to it and posting it to social media, where you pretty much sand just say that's fake, right, or you say that's just a red circle in the woods.

48:04 If not anything. And I'm sure there's some people out there with real footage, it's just hard to find. It's hard to parse through. So I'm trying to be credible enough to have people actually say, hey, that's an the credible source to start with. And then after that, I really don't know, Like I'm just trying to get to step one and then step two. Hopefully, if we can get a good amount of evidence or video that's substantial, you know, maybe we can bring it and get some research grants in or something, or bring in some third party reviewers from you know, Jeff meldrumish kind of person from a college grant. You know, they actually go sit out there for months at a time. Right, I don't really know where it goes other than I kind of just want to prove that it's real and then keep going and figure out how these things stick and how they work.

48:58 And and you guys, I. Think in my in my head, this is real. This is real, right, I know other people are on the fence. All the experiences I've had, this is this is a. Real phenomenon, whatever you want to call it. These are real creatures, real beings, real people. It's really important for us to do this discovery and like say, this is something real. You had to flips the. Paradigm of a lot of people on their head. So that's kind of why I do it, other than it's just super cool to me. But yeah, that's that's kind of my thought. That's exciting stuff. Logan, You're you're definitely on on the right path. You said there were some updates regarding radium as well.

49:45 Yeah, so actually, when I talk to you, I don't remember. I'd have to go back and listen to what we talked about. But when I was out. There in October with a few individuals, we had and this is a on the app and as far as when I captured an audio and video and then there's more to it now. So we had this experience back in October. I guess I can't remember if I talked to you about it or not, to be fair, but we had these individuals come out and like it was two in the afternoon, we had five of these weird whoop.

50:27 Sounds that were. Nothing like I've ever heard before, and it surrounded our base camp, like from every every angle it went one, then the other, than the other, than the other. Mail made that sound right after two minutes before that, and I have all the timestamp. This large oowel in the distance. I couldn't say how far it was. It's the same for giggles. It was a mile away. And then that was kind of two minutes after the response back was all those whoops around us. So we went out into the woods I'd say at the most one hundred and fifty yards from base camp and right now where we went, it's probably fifty yards where I have a thermal camera setup that's looking down this trail side and the optical but it's we went out and set out there and it was me and Todd standing and then two other individuals.

51:26 They were kind of a in a grid pattern. We're all spread out, just sitting out there after that, because we heard all those sounds and we're like, okay, well maybe they're calling us to go. Go out there and meet and greet. So that's what we did. We kind of sat out there and meditated whatever you want to call it, posted up on a tree and look, I'm trying to see if we had any interaction. Sod had this video to where he posted on his channel to where I'm gonna I'm not gonna lie I did. It doesn't look good. It looks like a blob squatch, it looks blurry. It's not definitive. It's not good evidence, right, And I mean I told him that. It's like, yeah, I.

52:08 Believed him at the time, like I don't have a reason not to believe him, but at the same time, it's just not good evidence. And he posted it, I don't know, some a few months back, but actually I think he posted back in February. But at the same time, we were filming with like cell phones and cameras, body cams, and the individual I was with was just calling Bill. He when Todd started talking, he said he said something. What he said was I can see you, and he said it loudly, and I looked over at him, and he was filming in front of him, and he's probably sixty feet from me. Bill was probably forty feet to the left of Todd.

52:52 And there's another guy named Billy about probably thirty feet behind Bill. And we were spread out in the woods. And again there's no one else out in these woods, right, it's just us. There was another individual at base camp that was elderly, he's probably seventy three seventy four years old, that didn't want to go out just because you know, he's a he's a little older and didn't want. To help out there. So what Bill did was he scanned the forest line right when Todd said that, in front of him. And I posted this out there to like I said, to my socials, and I've done some zooming in and contrasts and some of that stuff with it. But you see after Todd says that Bill's and this is about seventy feet in front of him.

53:41 It's dark haired. I think it's probably a juvenile somewhere between eight eleven years old. Just speculating it. Actually you can't even see it until it moves. It is so camouflaged in the tree line. Like, and it moves right. As it moves, you see it's Harry leg right, you see its foot, you see it's upper torso you kind of see the outline of its head through the tree branches as it moves. It's not like a face definitive, but it's this dark haired, almost black haired individual that's going from middle of the screen to the left and stepping out in between these trees and walking as Bill scanning, and he's getting up right so as Todd saying, he's filming something in front of him. Thirty feet to the left of what he's filming is another big foot that Bill captures.

54:36 And it's in my opinion, it's super super good evidence, right, And I know. People are gonna look and say, oh, this is coming out of Todd's camp. You know, this isn't anything. It's legitimate footage, and nobody gets like, I haven't seen good footage in a long time. And that footage it's it's on a I think it's from an eye iPhone and it's pretty clear that there is this individual right there. Supremely camouflage walking mid screen to left. And as he pans from right to left because he didn't even see it. It was on camouflage, he didn't see it untill we reviewed the footage. And this was actually a month or so later that he discovered they even had the footage of this right, you didn't even know.

55:27 So to me, it's like just another point of data that substantiates that something. What's happening when Todd saying I can see you and from my perspective again speculation there was at least four to five. Of these. Fans manage big foot around him and we couldn't see them, but they. Can see us, and they were just gliding through the forest, just messing with us. And like I said, it's it's out there. I can send it to you. I can send you the the upscaled version that looms in and then the I have a video that does it and on the back end it gives you just the regular output so you can see it. But yeah, it's seventy feet in front of a bill, it's moving, it's maybe six feet tall at the most. We need to we need to do some more breakdown and do some video analysis and I think, I think I can probably, like Bill really wants to try to remove the trees from the video and try to do things with it, but.

56:32 I'm gonna do my best. To give it a shot to make it as clear as possible. But it's it's amazing footage, right, Wow. That's really incredible. And again, this is. Fifty yards away from where the camera I just set up in this tree. We scaled this tree on this trail. It looks down what we call the Porcupine trail like twenty feet and we mounted this camera's thermal and optical there that scans and looks down both into this trail, and it can slip around and look at base Camp two and look at the other camera itself. So if something's behind the other camera, I can see it. I'm saying. It's spectical and thermal, so it's just a matter of time before we get something there. It seems like they're having a really good year as far as amount of activity they've had. When I went out there, I can I don't know how long you want this podcast to be, but I had experiences out there when I went out there just to set of the camera.

57:35 The video that you were just talking about. Is that on Tod's channel or you would have to send that to me. No, it's on. Let me see because I've been debating when too, like just because it's not my footage. So I got permission from Bill. I got permission from Bill. He's kind of a real big big Foot enthusiast, but he's a private person. He doesn't line right. So I got permission from Bill to release it a couple of weeks ago. Okay, So I haven't really put it out there into the full frame you know, read it, like just dumped it into everything, But.

58:16 I I think it. I think I put it on Instagram and I made a TikTok and put it out there and just try to do like a like a promo type of video for my app, just to got to get people more interested in get community going. So to me, it's a great advertising tool because it's real and anyone that says it's not, I can prove it to them and it's real. But at the same time, it's I'm using footage and it's just it's I can send it to you. I can just send you like what I have, like a full fledged copy of it. You can check it out and tell me what you think. That sounds great. We'll link it definitely. I'll have a few links in the show notes for this too, or the description. Yeah, well so we've got yeah, I mean time has been fined by we've got about ten minutes left.

59:03 But it sounds like you you may have even even some other things that happened to you when you were lasted out in radium. Yeah. So so we have this gifting area, or I say we, but I consider myself part of kind of that collaboration up and radium. But there's this. Gifting area that apples are put out at every time there's an expedition. So when I've been in the last three or four years, it's kind of hit and miss. They kind of take them when they want to. This year, they've taken them every single time. Like I was there the first night, I got there at seven seven pm at night, we put apples out.

59:48 We put three apples out. I was out there with two other individuals that went out that was well. I was doing some of the setup and we set up there and just set and put three apples out, once for each of us. I'm we put them high. There's news even anything is fear as any you know, cheating anything. Squirrels, dear whatever you want to call it. But like there was no sign of that. And after we put the apples out, i'd say thirty minutes post we got three callbacks. Three triangulated around us, like they were just kind of like yells or whoops, whatever you want to call them. I won't try to do it because I'll just butcher it. But we had three whoops around us, and you can a ticket at the time being for saying, hey, thanks for the apples.

1:00:41 There's three of us and we took all your stuff. Right. So when we go back up there in the morning and this is again we put it out nine o'clock in the night, we wake up kind of early and go over there and they're all gone. So we had make some good feedback there. And then ever since then, all they actually do, starting in May to the end of July, they've taken every single. Apple they put out there, and they put them high. They put them twenty feet in the air on the edge of these tree branch sticks where they're just forced into it. You can't get them out. We've seen where squirrels will take bites out of them and stuff, and we'll just like those sentences. We know it's not, you know, anything but a animal shoe, an honor, or bird pecking at it.

1:01:25 So we'll just throw those away. And there's no trace evidence of any of these apples, even there's no core, there's no anything. They're just gone, right. So that's pretty amazing because there's a lot of that going on. When they did a lot of scouting in the area. There's tons in their tree breaks all over the place. They found some fresh funt prints in the in the general sub area, and they've they've been having activity like just frequent, like at least three or four times different things. So and I think if you probably want to know more on that, you could just probably go just go to todg channel and kind and see what he's been saying.

1:02:06 I won't get into everything, but as far as for me, we had that callback, we had the apples, and then most people there they don't. Do what I do. As far as. You can call it recklessness or courage, I don't know what you want to call it, but it is their country there. It's mountain lions, black bear, grizzly bear. And after I set the camera up. I said it. It was pretty much a full moon that night, and I put it in. I put all my systems to turn the hour off and do low mode and just do it off the moonlight, so I can make I can make these systems with their iris and their shutter look like daytime in the night now if there's a moon, right, so I don't need ours.

1:02:52 It's really clear and it looks amazing. So we're debunking the ire thing as we speak. But I slept out there in front of that camera, about thirty feet in front of it in this opening with another individual. I can't say it's not creepy, and I can't say there's not some level of fear doing that, because nine of the people that go out there don't do that. And it got colder and expected that night. I probably got into the thirties and I had a zero degree sleeping bag. I was just sleeping on the ground, and so was the other individual with me. The usually think that we happened.

1:03:35 Was we heard like a mouth pop while we were over there in front of the camera. I ended up getting up at six thirty in the morning because I needed to warm my body because I didn't know I was going to get that cold, so I kind of talked to the guy I was with, and you can you can see all this. If you really wanted to go to it, I'd give you the exact gate. You can watch me sleep in front of this camera because the video is still there. It's on the app. You can watch me get up, you can want me walk away. But I walk away and I go down past base camp, probably two football fields away, into this clear opening that's kind of lower an elevation on the other side of the ridge line that surrounds it. This is where we found a nineteen inch track and I kind of I sat there with and I did have a shotgun with me because you know, I don't want to get eaten by a bear, and that single reason.

1:04:29 They take it with me. But I kind of set with my back up to the woodline, kind of giving them, you know, some kind of inkling to come behind me because I'm not looking in that direction, and in front of me is more of an open field for like fifty feet then it goes into another woodline. So I kind of had my back directly to this woodline and I'm sitting there, you know, and I'm I'm not stuper into the WU stuff, but you know, I'll give it a shot. I put some mental thought process into the world and say, you know I'm here, Come come play, right, come out. Yes, I'm putting that mental imagery out. I'm sitting there and I'm just like I said, on the ground kind of Indian style and with my legs and all I hear is the ground shake behind me, right, So it's just like two big stomps, and I felt it.

1:05:30 In my body that the ground was shaking, right. And before I could even get up, this individual just does a scream at me right and just goes I'm on a butcher this but it was more of like a right and it was loud, and I felt it and I kind of got up somewhat quickly, but not like super quick as you think I would, because I didn't know what would be behind me when I did it. And I turned around, spin around, and it's hard to see what I'm looking at. You know, there's trees everywhere, but about thirty feet in there's something looking at me and it's gray and I.

1:06:15 Can't quite get catch what it is, like, I can't say. All I can see is the outline and whatever the air fur was gray, right, and it was staring at me, and it hits this tree with what it looks to be in his arm and bangs on a tree and just kind of disappears and steps back into the darkness of the foliage. Right, And this is about seven in the morning, so the sun's kind of just on the horizon, so it's so kind of dark in that wooded part because the sun's not directly hitting it. So again I can't see fully, but I believe this was a bigfoot that yelled. It stomped on the ground twice, yelled at me.

1:07:01 I don't know why, maybe. See anything for it, I don't know it. And then and you kind of dissipate it into the forest, and then I kind of grabbed my. You did bring your bodycam with me. I wasn't wearing it at the time, just because I was filling myself all night with the other camera and I was just kind of going out and doing my own thing. But I pulled out my cell phone and started to scan in the woods, kind of like build it a three six or one eighty degree angle, so I just capture what I. Experienced and where it was and then I walked back in. There and there's this clear tree break, probably five feet from where this individual was behind this tree, and I'm just looking on the ground looking for you know, traits, evidence and stuff, and I don't see anything. I don't see footprints or anything, but that's you.

1:07:50 Know, you don't always find footprints. I don't. I was making sure it wasn't crazy, you know, maybe this is a huge elk or something. And I was trying to look for tracks and stuf. I'm trying to roll out us you know in my head that this is what I saw and what I heard and what I felt. And then I'm kind of I kind of just sat there for a while and and and then I hear two knocks kind of northeast of me, and they were they were subtle, and then I I didn't really know what to do if they were gone or wanted to me to stay there, So I kind of just went back into that open field and sat in a different spot and put my back against the woods again and just closed my eyes, and I was just thinking about stuff.

1:08:35 And then uh, you get two big huge. It's to my right. I guess it would be east of me, and it was probably up this hill side. I guess I eight maybe one hundred yards up this hillside. So I didn't really know what to do with that. I know they were around me, I knew they This individual yelled at me. So I just sat there for thirty minutes until I didn't hear anything happening, and then kind of described my, uh, my stuff and the shotgun. I went back up to the base camp and went and kind of told Todd what happened and the other people I was with, And you know, Todd's seeing enough of this where pretty much all he says is congratulations.

1:09:22 So yeah, it. Is what it is, right, So I'm getting closer and closer to having that one on one experience that I want, and I'm trying to put the energy out there. If this is they or not, I don't know. I'm going out to set all different angles because the cameras I put up, I can I can make it to where nothing can get into base camp without being on camera, or I can make it to where they have a you know, a clear a clear way in, right, so all I into the get with the clear if they want to come in the base camp, but they want to go in front of the cameras they will. I don't think these individuals are stupid. I think they know intention and thought process, and they could more than likely see.

1:10:09 These cameras in the trees. So that's kind of my My sense and sensibility of the thing is that. I do plan on doing more out there. I said about putting the thermal further down the road towards the hill where the apples are taken. I just don't want to stop the activities fully. So eventually we'll probably get to that point to where we'll probably have another thermal like to in that site, to where we're going more of an A one to eighty on the thermal. But yeah, it's there's so much stuff. There's I'm calling through all the event data. There's lots of weird sounds, lots of weird knocks. There's bears that are rolling there that we captured. So and this has really only been up for like a month, right, It took two three months of the first data for the first data to actually get like some really good hit marks and like and they and they went beside the trailer. They've shooken the trailer this year. They've we captured some audio. It's like sounds like heavy breathing grunts right beside the trailer at night with other audio recorders where the camera wasn't even face that direction.

1:11:37 So again it's it's trucky. People have been trying to do this for years now, but I'm trying to I'm trying to get it right and trying to share it with everyone, right, So yeah, that's that's kind of the that's kind of the update from Radium. Uh So, I expect it to be very, very busy soon. I'm trying to get another panel, solar panel out there and another battery already paid for it, all with kind of a pain in the butt to get things into Canada through customs. So there's that aspect. But yeah, it's just going to get better from my perspective. And then I'm reaching out to a lot of other researchers trying to get them to collaborate with me. It's hard to win people over, especially if they're in the campup.

1:12:26 I hate Todd and you work with Todd. That is what it is, right, I'm just following the data and if people can't, if they just have a closed mind to begin with, and you know, to be surround. But there are a lot of the original. Bigfoot of people that just really despise Todd, and they they won't even let me talk to them, right, And then I'm not even I'm not Todd, right, So I'm just like, Okay, well you're lost, and I'm gonna keep going forward with other people that are doing research. So so yeah, it's it's a work in progress. And logan, I'd say you're doing some fantastic work. I mean, you're working, working through everything that you're getting some great sites you're getting hooked up with, and I can't wait to see what comes out of Pennsylvania. Do you mind in the last minutes reminding people how they can reach out to you about this project, how they can fall along and watch the video for themselves, all that good stuff.

1:13:25 Yeh sure. I think the easiest way to reach out to me, and you don't have to subscribe to the app, is just download the app. I have a contact info on there. There's there's social media links right at the bottom. So if you really just want to check it out and look at it and look at the precursor of kind of the background and stuff, what the login screen, you can just get to me from there. It's on Android, it's on iOS, it's called Bigfoot livestream. In it sooner or later. I'm kind of a new age in that sense to where I don't know why I need a website, but I'm kind of a technology guy, and if I can get to it on an app, I'd rather get to it on an app.

1:14:06 But I will have a website. I'll just I'll just get one built and put it out there into the world. But you can. I did. I did create a TikTok. I think it's like Bigfoot dot live, dot stream, but the other socials are on the app. I just haven't had it added to TikTok to it yet. So YouTube, there's uh, Facebook and Instagram. But as far as email goes, contact at Bigfoot livestream dot org. Just you send me an email if you have uh, you know, ideas or collaboration stuff or a site or honestly just uh, I'm open just to ideas or feedback or criticism of how we're doing stuff right, because there's always better ways to do things.

1:14:57 There's a lot of. People have a lot of great ideas, so I'm not shut off to any of that. So and then let me think if there's anything else here. Oh, I do have a form on the app where you can go just like a web form if you have an area of frequency, and it'll shoot me an email if you fill the form out, I'll get in touch with you if you feel that you want to do that. I'm trying to It's not set in stone, but I am actively trying to do like kind of a live event with uh, kind of a big name in bigfoot.

1:15:42 I respect him a lot. It's like I said, it's not sentence stone yet. Oh, it's a lot of more respected people in the field. And you know he's he's pretty honest integer and it's full of integrity. So I really love to work with him and kind of collaborate with him and try try to build something with him on the side here. But like I said, not settence down. Just stuff that's going on in the mix. Great, great stuff, Logan. The future is looking very bright for you and your project. I'm sure we'll definitely be in touch. Thank you so much for coming on the show again. It has been a pleasure chatting with you today. Logan. Yep, appreciate it. Good stuff.

1:16:24 I just want to take a minute to say thank you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Huge thanks to Logan Shasso for sharing updates about how he's continuing to push the boundaries of bigfoot research with real technology and some serious courage. If you enjoyed this conversation, please subscribe to the channel on YouTube, hit the bell icon so you don't miss any new episodes, and share this one with a friend who's into Bigfoot AI or the Unexplained. And if you're listening to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, make sure you're following the show and please leave us a five star positive review, as it really helps the algorithm start to work. Now, if you, or some when you know us, had a big foot encounter, especially in places like the Alleghany National Force in Pennsylvania, Radium, British Columbia, or anywhere in the backwoods of North America, I'd love to hear from you, so please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com and let's talk about it. Thanks again for falling along with the Bigfoot Society. If you want to become a member currently, you can do that by going to Patreon dot com, Forward slash the Bigfoot Society, or becoming a member over on our YouTube channel. Until next time, keep your eyes open, trust your gut, and never stop asking what else might be out there, And see you in the woods.