Screams in Allegheny | A Collection of Encounters

0:00 You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, pick the Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Micah today. Micah is a university professor from New York State that just had a very interesting encounter that happened recently in September of this year. He's also a listener of the show. But welcome to the show, Micah. How are you doing today.

0:49 Sir, Suremiah, I am doing well. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it absolutely. This is Allegheny National Forest Area does come up a few times on the show, and the more I look into it, the more I realized how it is very remote in places and there's a lot of things going on there, but definitely some bigfoot activity as well. Feel free to take us back a few weeks to what you guys encountered in this area. Yeah, no, I appreciate that. Again, Jeremi, thanks for doing what you're doing and letting people talk about their experiences. I think it's super helpful. Yeah, so maybe before that experience, I'll just back up and provide some context here. Growing up, I didn't hear about bigfoot, think about bigfoot. I think the only thing I knew about bigfoot was from like Harry and the Henderson's. You know, I thought Bigfoot was alf or Et. It's just this kind of imaginary thing, this cultural icon out there, so no real thought given to bigfoot growing up. Went off to school working on my master's in doctorate degrees. I've been in the teaching business for quite some time now, so again, most of my upbringing and even my adulthood, never really thought much at all about bigfoot. But probably a couple of years ago, and I'm honestly not even sure how it all came into being. I heard something from doctor Jeff Meldrum, and

2:21 listening to him speak, I know that he recently passed away, but listening to him speak and talk about the anatomy of the Bigfoot footprint and his research into this, it just got me really fascinated. I thought, Wow, there's like, this is a guy in academia talking about this. Here's a man who is certainly qualified, and just hearing him, he's just a fascinating speaker, really gifted there and just going into some of the details, they got me curious about Bigfoot, and so I started to do some more research and found out that there have been sightings of Bigfoot in the Northeast. In the Northeast, so about a little over a year ago, I decided to get some buddies of mine and we would go on a camping trip in the Salt Fork, Ohio area, because I found out there was a conference there found out about the whole Bigfoot lore. So about a year ago, some bodies of mine and I we went into the Salt Fork area for three or four days to do our own expedition.

3:28 And while we were there, we had a great time. There's a lot of other Bigfoot researchers and so at night you'd hear people doing the wood knocks or doing the calls, which was a little frustrating because I thought I thought I was doing something really novel, but come to find out, there's a lot of people that are involved in this kind of stuff. So after that trip, I started thinking, maybe just maybe everyone's just hearing everybody else. So you hear a wood knock in the woods, and maybe it's just somebody else doing it, And so I dismissed it once again. But my daughter, when she heard about our trip and she saw the pictures and things like that, she's, Dad, I want to go in a Bigfoot expedition with you. I said, Clara, I don't really know if Bigfoot's real, but if you want to do this for your birthday, we'll have some fun with it.

4:15 So she invited her cousins to come along with us, and we decided to go to Allegheny National Force. It's not too far from where we live in New York beautiful area. So we went a couple weeks ago. We were out there in Alleghany National Force, set up our camp, just had a great time. It was good spending time with the with her cousins, my sister's kids once getting ready to get married, and the other was a just graduated recently with her biology degree, and so she's looking into going into into that field. So we just had a great time camping out, having fun, baking smores, having a good time, and in preparation though for that camping trip, having experience what I did in the Salt Fork area.

5:02 And I told everybody, I said, all right, now, you know a couple of things. First, we need to make sure we listened to the animal sounds that would be we could possibly hear at night, so that we're not thinking everything is bigfoot. So you had them listen to coyotes, owls, and just get a sense of the sounds of forest. And then also I wanted to make sure that we found a spot where we wouldn't be near other potential researchers, So just tried a spot in the middle of nowhere that would be hard to get to so that we could do our little expedition at night. So again we look.

5:42 We spent some time hearing the different sounds of the forests, but then also wanted to know what an alleged bigfoot sound was like. So we heard like the Ohio how and some other sounds from different YouTube stations, and they're fascinating, but it didn't really think much of it, and certainly didn't think they would hear any of those sounds. It's about eleven o'clock at night and we had decided to go to a spot that was really remote. Alleghany is big, something like five hundred five hundred thousand square acres, so it's a large area. Again, we try to find a spot where it would be nobody camping and we wouldn't be hearing other people making bigfoot sounds or anything like that.

6:29 So we drove down this dirt road for boy, it was a good eight miles, found a trail and we started just walking down the trail and you get the You see the deer and you see their eyes and it's creepy. You hear the owls. We heard some coyotes, so a lot of things were popping out at night. So then my nephew decides he wants to do the bigfoot how and so he belts it out. It was actually pretty impressive. I wasn't expecting it to be as impressive as it was. It was like, hey man, that was solid and we were laughing and nothing was happening. So we walked a little bit more down the trail, and then he decides to send out another howl and he belts it out again, and like a typical person type belting out that kind of sound, it was higher pitched.

7:19 So he belts it out again and we're just chuckling, and then we hear this response and Jeremi, the best way I think I can describe it, it was like a low pitch, mournful howl, but it was like a long duration and we could generally get a sense of where it was coming from. So we were near one of the gameland areas where people can't be camping, so it's coming out of that general that area, and it was so just we were not ready for that at all.

8:00 And my first thought was was that like a coyote? And then it sounded again, and so I know what coyotes sound like. That's not a coyote. I know what an owl sounds like, and it's definitely not an owl. And when it sounded the second time, like all the different kind of creatures that were near us again, the deer and some of the other animals, they all left. It was eerily quiet. So you've got the fight of us there. My son, my daughter, my nephew and niece, and for about boy for about fifteen minutes, off and on, these sounds would come back. And sometimes they were low and long in duration, again almost like a mournful howl.

8:52 Other times they were higher pitched. There was like a like a whoop, some whoop sounds, and we thought, okay, could this be people? But where we were and where the sounds were generally coming from, okay, I'm very confident that it wasn't people. And it didn't have an artificial sound, so it wasn't like a if you heard a sound being like blasted out of like a like a sound blast or something, there's like a unique you could tell that it's not like a natural sound. This was a very natural sound. It was a living sound, and it was there was variety in its. When the one sounded for a few moments, then we noticed there was a response back. So the first sound was coming out of the northeast of where we were standing, and then the other sound was almost directly east to us. And again both of these areas, I'm very confident there weren't people around, and so the two whatever was making these sounds, the two were commun municating back and forth and sometimes again it was a longer sound. Sometimes it was a higher pitch sound that would almost have a melody to it, where it would go high, it would go low, but it would go right back high again without it being like so, for example, if a coyote howls and he goes down, it's almost like he's got to catch his breath and go back up again. There was no catching of the breath like when the sound would go down

10:23 and then go back up again, and then you'd hear the the longer sound would be followed by these whooping type sounds, and the two were communicating with each other. There was a slightly different quality about the voices, but it was still the same kind of tone and pitch, so you could tell that whatever was making this, it's the same animal communicating back and forth. And during this time there's no coyotes barking or howling or anything like that. All the deer had booked it, no bats flying, just nothing. It started getting a little creepy though, because the sounds were moving toward us, So whatever was making the sound started moving toward us at a pretty pretty decent rate.

11:08 And during that whole time, as we were listening. My nephew stopped any kind of making the sounds, so he wasn't interacting with them at all because they were just interacting with each other. He had stopped, but the sounds got closer. So my poor son, he just got really nervous. He's like, hey, we gotta leave, we gotta leave, because again they were coming close. I was getting a little nervous as well, because I thought, boy, my nephew's about to get married here. Would hate to see something happening before he gets married. And again, this was just so unexpected, just totally unexpected. We called it a bigfoot expedition, but we weren't actually thinking anything would happen. We're just doing it just it's my daughter's birthday, so we're just going to make this something fun and make it an adventure, a memorable adventure, just being out in the woods. Yeah, Jeremiah. Again, it went off for about fifteen minutes, back and forth, different types of sounds, but definitely from the same creature, not artificial sounds. There was a very natural quality to it, and it definitely could not have been a person. I've heard people try to do bigfootthals, and this did not sound like people at all. The quality was something I don't think anybody could have possibly produced. I don't know anybody with the kind of lung capacity to do that.

12:21 As they started getting closer, my nephew he started getting a little nervous. He decided to howl again, and at that point the howling stopped. I don't know how close they were. It was just pitch black, and we were in a pretty dense area. I have no idea how close these things were. Everything was very quiet. Again. My son was getting super nervous. I was getting a little nervous. So we decided to head back. So we walked back toward our car and tried to make tried to be not super quiet on the way back, just in case. I wanted to make sure that we were being heard.

13:04 But yeah, that's again, that's in a nutshell our story. I honestly debated sharing it because it was just so stunning. Just again, not anything on my radar. I'm still trying to even now kind of process exactly what happened. I noticed, however, on your podcast that you would interview people who had experiences in Allegheny, So I thought, okay, I'm not the only one, and Again I debated, because in my profession as a professor, you know that topic is not it's a frowned upon topic. And again I didn't have any real prior belief in bigfoot before this experience. My sister encouraged me. She said, you need to record this so that you remember it. And we all talked about it before I got on the show. Here. We all talked about it so to make sure that our stories were all in alignment. And it's we all were there. We all witnessed the same thing, We heard the same sound, we didn't see anything, and again we weren't going with what you might call proper equipment for something like this, because this is just going to have a good time.

14:06 And in that moment, I mean, I look back and I think I should probably should have recorded the sounds, but I was just so engrossed and enamored with what was going on. I just was in the moment. We were all in the moment, and we were all just stunned because again, we know what al sounds like, we know what a coyote sounds like, and that's not what we heard. This was a different thing altogether. So we got back and I think all of us were just trying to process what had transpired, and I wanted to record this because I thought maybe others have had similar experiences. Again, I know that there are sometimes people hear other people calling out, but where we were, there were no people. I'm very confident in that. And again, the quality just was not something that could have been produced by any person, and the fact that there was so much variety in the sound but yet different from any other animal we had heard before indicated to us wasn't artificial either. And talking with my niece, she had the biology background, she was really perplexed. She's like, oh, Micah, I do not know what we heard. This is not something I'm familiar with at all. Yeah, that's our story.

15:16 That's awesome. That's something I was actually going to bring up because you mentioned one of them has the biology background, so you would assume that if it was like, guess, some kind of coyote or a wolf for some kind of predator in that area, she would be right on that. But it sounds like she was thrown for a loop as well. You're saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, we were all we were all thrown for a loop. And again, the only thing that we could compare it to. There was the ohio how sound. It was an initial one and it went We probably heard that particular sound maybe six times something like that, and then there were different sounds where it was, I don't want to say, like a whale be now, like it goes up and brings back up again. There's like a certain melodia quality to it. There was that, and they were going back and forth with each other, which was fascinating to me. In fact, I felt like we were in the middle of a conversation between these two creatures, not knowing what they were. But they kept on getting closer, and they were moving at a rate that a person walking through the woods could certainly not have done. So they progressively were getting closer and closer.

16:24 Did hearing these sounds affect anyone in your group physically in any way, That's a good question. My son got really nervous, and he does get more sensitive to sounds. He was very nervous. I think we were all in like high octane alert, the high octane mode. Oh my goodness, what on earth is that? So we were all very engrossed. You could carry your own heart beating as you're listening to these sounds because you're just you're completely mesmerized by what's going on, and in the moment. Again, I'm not thinking I should get my phone and record this.

17:06 I'm I'm in it. I'm fully in it and just trying to just take everything in as I'm hearing these two creatures going back and forth, and it was just it was so fascinating, nothing that I've ever thought i'd experience, just completely outside of my box of what I thought was possible. To be honest, I don't know if anybody was other than my son that was more uniquely scared. Gotcha, we were all really just in it. Would you and just asking, because there's a lot of research going on in this area right now between different parties, we'll say, in the community, right would you be able to provide a approximate location of where this happened within the national forest.

17:57 Yeah. The only reason I'm hesitant and welcome your input on this, because maybe this is just me being wonky. The only reason I'd be hesitant is I'd hate to have like a bunch of people go in there and just disturb these creatures or people start hearing each other. But it was near one of the gameland areas, so I know that, for example, you've got I'm sure like I went on like a website to get a sense of where sightings have occurred because we didn't want to go anywhere near where sightings had already been because we thought if people are going to be out, they're going to be out in those areas. I know that there's been some sightings near the reservoir or the reservoir there. We were far from that area. I know some people do some work in the Hickory Creek Wilderness. We were removed from that area. Again. We just tried to find some like where the game lands are, because people are not People do what they want to do, right, but they're not supposed to in theory be in the game land that night. So we were right by one of those gameland areas. But if you think it would be helpful to divulge where that was, I'd be happy to do that. My initial hesitancy was like, I'd hate to see a bunch of people just flooding into that area and then it just becomes disturbing. Whatever this, whatever we.

19:14 Heard, I absolutely get it. I would be good to share it. I'll share it. Yeah, I think and in that case, I'm thinking specifically about there's two gentlemen in this area that are really doing good research work, and it might be if I could give it specifically to them. So I'll be probably cutting out of fools of this part, you know what I mean. That could help them out quite a bit. But I'll leave it up to you. Oh yeah, I know. I'd be happy to people that take it seriously. They aren't gonna they aren't going to do anything to harm whatever these creatures are. Like yeah, yeah, Because for example, when we were in Salt Fork, we had met these different research groups and we weren't trying to be a research group. We were just a bunch of does hanging out just having a good time, but also just trying to add that as like an adventure element.

20:00 We heard about there was something like fifteen guys with like out there with their guns looking to shoot it. It's like, man, what in the world, Like I was nervous they might like what if they think I'm it and shoot me? So I know that there are some people that it's super not cool, Like what the mess man. That I'm not cool? Let's not do that. Yeah, let's definitely not do that. No, but yeah, feel free I could. I'd share the GPS coordinates with you and Jeremiah. The fact that you let people share their stories. I'm just blown away with how many people have had some kind of an encounter. And again not people that some people they're going to see what they want to see.

20:44 There's confirmation biased and totally get that. But people that have no skin in the game whatsoever are coming out and they're sharing their stories like something is clearly going on. And I'm aware that there's obviously, as someone in the world of academia, aware of the reasons why people are skeptical, but there's enough folks that are coming out where like, Okay, I don't think between the science and the testimonies that you can just easily dismiss this. It's worth some serious research and consideration, being willing to set aside your bias to actually find out what is going on, what are people experiencing, because again, what we experienced, I can't point to a known animal in that area and say, yup, that's what we heard exactly. And again I know those sounds. Yeah, this was a different thing altogether. Whatever made it was powerful, whatever made it, that's the Ohio Howell sound along with other sounds from different sites that are allegedly bigfoot like it's and this was not a artificial sound like it was very natural. The quality was very clear too. I'm not the only one who's had something like that happen, So I again, if for people that are serious about it and they want to do their research, yeah, we'd be happy to help where we can.

22:07 Did anyone in your group have anything out of the ordinary happen after this experience when they got back to their house or in the last few weeks. I don't. I don't think so. No, No, nothing unusual or weird or wonky. No, I don't think so. Again, we were all just we all thought it was cool that we experience that can get like that's a memory we'll never be able to if that's something that's going to be a cool shared experience with the coin the phrase from the Inside Out movie, it's a core memory that we're going to be able to have. And I'm so glad I was able to have that with my kids. It's very cool. It is very cool.

22:48 It's super cool. Yeah, it's just a gift, so I'm really thankful for it and yeah. My kids were like, nah, bigfoot believers before that experience, my nephew niece, they were not like, none of us were coming in Okay, we're going to confirm tonight that there's like big fight out there. No, we're just out there having fine goofing around, not expecting anything to happen, and we're just trying to process, like, now that's what we heard. We've heard that sound and for about a good fifteen minutes just back and forth, which was awesome. I wish there was some way I don't. I am not a music y person. I don't have the capacities and reproduce the sound. If I could, I would.

23:30 It was just mesmerized. So if anything, the lifts, not the weird, but in the moment, we were all super mesmerized and just like in awe. But this was happening, and the sounds that they were going back and forth were just that's so cool, so cool. That is really cool. Is there a desire do you think from the people involved to go out and do something similar again, or is it a thing where that was okay, once we're done with. This, that's a good question. I think we'll definitely do it again. We may pick I don't know. I don't know if we go to the same location. We thought about trying to plant it out next year at the exact same time and day. If these creatures just roam around, there's a lot of area to roam around, obviously, that between Allegheny National Forest, which then goes up into New York, so there's plenty. There's just plenty of room for something like that to live, plenty of natural resources between creeks and fruits and other small parade there's plenty for something like that to live there without ever being detected. But if it does go in some kind of like a pattern, we thought about going back next year at the same time, same location and trying to reproduce it. But if it never happens again, it's still something that we have a memory about that we can It's like most people don't.

25:03 It's really cool, but yeah, we'd like to try to do it again for sure. Wow, it is. It's a cool story, and it's cool that you're you'll be able to listen to this years down the road and be like, hey, this is when all started. Thank you for sharing your experience with us today. Mike I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing what happened to you. Guys. Definitely keep us in the loop if anything else does happen down the road, and we would love to hear from you. Yeah, yeah, Jeremiah, again, thanks for what you're doing letting people talk about their experiences. It's helpful. It gives us something those who share the experience. It gives us something that we can look back on and remember it's recorded for us. Appreciate the questions that you asked, just keep prodding a little bit, which was good. And then for those who've had experiences, it's good to know, Okay, we're not the only We're not weird, We're not the only ones that something's happening too. So thanks for your work, man, I appreciate it.

25:57 Hey, Helmus, can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. How you doing good? You doing good? What brings you up today? Sir? Hey, I wanted to talk to you about a vocal I heard. Probably it was last winter, probably middle of January. I'm in West Virginia and we as a family went on a skiing snowboarding trip at Snowshoe Mountain. I don't know if you knew where that's at Pocahontas County, West Virginia. It's near the Mongolia National Force. And we was on the mountain doing a night ski and we'd come off a mountain about I would say probably eleven o'clock, maybe closer to midnight, and it was so foggy your fog lights, your headlights wouldn't even work. You could barely see the lines on the road. And it was going back towards Marlington, West Virginia. We had a hotel room in Marlington, and from Stay Shoe to Marrowlington it's just maybe twenty miles or so. And we was all in the car going back to Marlington, and my girlfriend, she was driving at the time, she said, did you hear that? Of course,

27:30 we had the radio playing and I said, what are you talking about? And she pulled off the side of the road she said, do you hear that? And it's nothing like I've ever heard before, Like I've heard bigfoot vocalizations and I used to watch Finding Bigfoot stuff like that, but that is it's legit what that sounded like. I can't think of anything else in the woods there that would have made that sound where it had been loud enough to hear it in the car, So that was why I wanted to come to you about. It was so mild it ever took the radio in the car, but the vocalization it was seconds, like maybe no longer than ten seconds, but it was definitely something big and I've never heard anything like that before.

28:40 Wow, that's wild, dude. It's so crazy that it was over the radio of the car in Pocahontas County. It's some of the weirdest stuff I've gotten from West Virginia is in that county. I've had some really weird stuff in that county Bigfoot related, like people that have seen a black fog like materialize into Sasquatch. I've had one guy she saw one and it caused him to not be able to control his body anymore. It was really weird. There's some weird stuff that happens in that county with Bigfoot. So I would say, if that's somewhere that you are that you're a lot in the Pocahontas County, I would have your head hospital for sure, dude. There's some weird.

29:27 Stuff going on. Yeah. We go just a couple of times a year, and we was on a just a we go on ski trip a couple of times, a handful of times, and it was just it was so weird that that noise ever took everything that was in the car at that time. And it's nothing like I've ever heard before. I couldn't I couldn't describe it to you. But yeah, it's hard to say what it was. But as West Virginians we want to say, oh, it's it was bigfoot and this and that and but I'm not sure what it was. But you never know. And it's just it's a add on, just another thing that has happened, and it maybe there's been another person that's had something like that just happened, happened similarly in the same area. But dude, I appreciate you coming up and sharing. Do you mind if I use the audio from this in a big Foot podcast?

30:28 I go cool, cool, Yeah, let us know if you have anything else happened out there in the future. Man. Yeah, We're in Pegahons County a couple of times a weekend and I'm from Point Pleasant. I'm on the o higher side. It's where I'm from. But yeah, good stuff, good stuff, man, Thanks for coming up. I appreciate it. Yeah, no problem, thank you. Hey, Sassy, how's it going? Hey? Can you hear me? Yeah? You sound great. Do you have a story to share? Yeah, I do. It's not a sighting, but I still think it's a kind of good story. All right.

31:09 I live right by Cuyahoga Valley National Park and I've lived here my whole life, and we used to go night hiking like once a year. We would go out around July or August, typically when the moon was like really full so we could see pretty easily. And one year, about oh, what year was it, seven or eight years ago? I think was middle August, full moon lit night, and we left from a guy's house that I lived at who lived right off of the park system. So he was like one of the last couple houses or the first couple houses that kind of transitioned from the National park. So the nice thing is if you walked from his backyard, you could just go directly into the park system, which is what we did. We probably hiked for about two three miles into the woods. We left it about like twelve thirty or one in the morning, and we probably hiked for two three hours, and finally we just posted up.

32:08 We made a little fire, even though technically I don't think you were allowed to in the park system. And I think it's notable as well to say that people technically aren't allowed to be camping or anything in this park system. Technically we should have been alone. But it was about four in the morning, I think four thirty, and we had a campsite up for about an hour. At that point, we had a little fire going, and we were so far in the woods. I was making some hooting and hollering noises. I've lived here my whole life. We don't really have bears or cougars or any big animals in the Kyahoga Valley National Park, so it's like a relatively safe place, at least I thought. And so I was hooting and hollering. I was feeling super free, like deep in the woods, really late at night, knowing around and at four thirty in the morning, four to four thirty, with the fire going. I say that because I feel like most animals or any animal wouldn't walk up to a fire going and a human screaming. I made like a sneezing sound, and I yelled into my sneeze.

33:09 It's like a unique sound, kind of like a chewy sound, and something like five or ten yards maybe ten to twenty yards away from the campsite copied the sound. It was definitely not an echo. I've lived here my whole life, and I've thought about this a long time, and I don't think it could have been any animal. My only thought would be a human or after i've thought about this more, maybe like a bigfoot, And I think bigfoot, because first off, when we heard the sound, it was me and another guy. I had the flashlight on the thing, and it was like so close in the woods you could hear it walking. You could It sounded very bipedal as well, so my first initial thought was some person was playing a prank on me. I didn't think it could have been any other sound but a human at first.

34:04 But then as I had the flashlight on the thing and I could hear it walking, but it wouldn't enter the actual light because we were in the trees, so your flashlight could only go so far with the trees blocking it. And I was talking to it and I'm like, hey, choke's over, show yourself, And for ten minutes it just paced around and never said anything. And that's where we got a little even more freaked out, and we were up like the whole night after that, and as soon as it got light, we were out looking around and we saw these big indentations but couldn't make out anything. And still at this time, I wasn't really thinking bigfoot or anything. But then we make it back to the house and the owner of the property is out and we just started talking about what happened, and oh wow, he had all these stories about bigfoot or specifically like a monster. They didn't think it was a bigfoot. They just heard crazy sounds back there. They had a story about one of their kids seeing a big, black, furry monster running out from the woods and like having some trauma from it, and the family like inherently believed that there's some monster back there and that we potentially ran into that. And what made it even more kind of Hey, this actually could be something is I didn't even know there was a thing called a grassman. I don't know if you're the Ohio grassman. I had no idea that there was tons of sightings in the area that I was at, And I mean I'm talking in like a one to two mile vicinity. There are multiple reports, quite

35:35 a lot. Actually, I think if you add them all up, wasn't a direct sighting, but still a weird, weird story that got me into it. I'm glad you came up because that area, the Cayahoga, It's got a lot of activity in it that you brought up. And I don't know if you know small Town Monsters on YouTube, but they have a couple episodes about sightings in that park. There's a lot of bigfoot activity in that National park. It's crazy. Yeah. I just recently made a post about it in the Kylehooga Valley group. We have a Facebook group and it got a lot of activity and some of the people posted those videos that you just mentioned on YouTube, and some of the help videos cover this too. They were awesome to watch.

36:19 Good stuff up, dude. I'm glad you came up. Hey, I have a Bigfoot podcast. Could I use this this conversation in that podcast? Yeah, certainly. I tried. I tried submitting this to BFRO a few times, but for some reason, it never goes through. I never submit the story. I'm glad you came up here and shared it. Ever, sounds like you had some something pretty close to you, So thank you for coming up. Dude, I appreciate it. Yep. Happy to share my story and thanks for hosting this. Thank you. Hey, hey there, how are you good, buddy? How are you doing good? Are you coming up to share something today, sir?

37:01 I'd love to. I don't necessarily have the quickest story, but I I think I have a good one. I'm from western Pennsylvania. We have a bunch of state parks. My buddy and I hunt together and we alternate filming per hunting. And we were hunting in one of the state parks and we go deep as far as walking. Most hunters they get out of their truck, walk forty fifty yards and they post up, but we definitely do our due diligence and we get out there and one evening, it was just about pitch dark. We were up in the air in our tree stands, packing up our things to come down, and we just heard some walking. And if you're an avid hunter, you can tell a deer or any four legged animal compared to two legged animal.

37:56 And we turned around with our flashlights. We could see something like a person. We would expect it to be a person, but we were just so completely deep in the woods in this individual was walking without a flashlight in the pitch dark, and we just said hey, just to let everybody know or whoever know that we were there. And as soon as we did that, this person ran through the woods just as fast as a deer. Would run through the woods. And that was it. We got down out of our trees and we were back at our trucks as fast as we could. So that's really quick story, but that was that was definitely a hair raising one.

38:40 Wow, that's you said. Did you say the western side of the state Western PA? Southwestern Pa? Actually? Oh yeah, sure, say no more. The Southwestern Pa is absolutely nuts, bigfoot stuff, dude, especially you've got the Laurel Ridge area is crazy and just south Pittsburgh that whole because you lived it. But yeah, dude, it's wild down there. I'm not surprised at all. Yeah, that whole area down there, the whole Chestnut Ridge all the way down and if you're looking, it goes from just a few twenty miles east of Pittsburgh all the way down through Connellsville, Union Town into Morgantown, West Virginia.

39:25 That's an uninhabited ridge and it is crazy down through there. Wow. Do you ever go back to that same area. That's one of our main spots that we hunt for bear because it is so secluded and the little mountain Laurel and if you're familiar with bear hunting, very tough terrain. But yeah, we go up there every year. And that was just literally that was a long time ago. That was probably fifteen twenty years ago. That was the only weird thing that we ever had and the only weird things and yeah, so this is just an isolated incidence.

40:05 Whatever it was, didn't have a flashlight. Absolutely. Have you Have you ever heard any other people have stories from the same area. No, not necessarily, other than like the TV things Western Pa, like for the bigfoot hunters and all that other thing. Yeah, they tell stories all the time about this area, but nobody personally. Okay, I appreciate you coming up and sharing what happened to you guys that day. That's pretty wild stuff. Am I able to use this conversation in a big foot podcast? I have sure, buddy, no problem. Having good evening you too, sir, Thank you, Kevin, Thanks for coming up.

40:47 Hey man, how you doing. Hey good? So you had a sighting down there in a near Bankhead National Force. Yeah, bank National Force is pretty well known for his camping, for his waterfalls, for his trails. But there's more to it than that. I'll say that. Oh yeah, I would love to hear your story for you sharing it. Yeah yeah, tell me what do you So? It started out probably ten years ago, and it started out where we started seeing these weird lights in the trees, okay, weird lights, and then we would start hearing weird things that we couldn't see. For example, we'd hear somebody run off in the bush and that we'd look and it'd be nothing so quick. But yeah, bank at National Forest.

41:39 I really hate to give my spot away, but they're there. Brother. Wow, that what you're saying lines up with I've talked to a few other guys in that area and they always match orbs too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll have all the colors. You'll have red, blue, a real whitish, sometimes green. But man, I'm not sure what those are. But I do know this, and I will share this. I believe that Bigfoot's eyes can illuminate light somehow, and they're not red and glowing. Okay, they're not red and glowing. But we've been squashing him for probably good eight to ten years and it's gotten really interesting lately. Twenty fifteen, we had our major encounter with a gray one probably thirty feet from us. Only his bad luck was the moonlight. The clouds moved and it lit him up, and he was freaked out and he just floated right off.

42:41 You know what I mean? Oh wow, And that was a bankhead area. That was a bankhead area and what And I'll be honest with you, what really pissed him off was we had one of those laser pointers and we found we saw a couple of orbs and point of that laser right at that orb. Within a couple of minutes, we had live action. Man, really, after you shine it at the orb, then the Bigfoot show, Yes. Sir, and you showed something else showed too that I don't really don't want to get into. But all right, I guess if we don't get into it, that's no problem. I respect that.

43:23 Yeah, you can guess. It's it's man, it's they're almost I'm not gonna say their companions, but they definitely appear together for some reason. Yeah, I get you. Wow, I've got oh you do, okay, I do. Do you have a YouTube channel or anything. I do, but I haven't loaded it to it. I haven't put it on it. It's pretty much for my safe keeping. And a couple of people have heard it. You can hear some really and this is gonna blow people's mind. I don't know how many. We got a couple hundred. These creatures can speak English.

44:07 Uh huh. I'm here to tell you nobody knows me. I know that I understand that Bigfoot can speak English just like we can. I promise you. Are you hearing full sentences or just certain words. I'm hearing full sentences. I've got on audio where he asked me a question and I responded, and you can hear him say something after I responded, So it's very intelligent. Yeah. I sometimes hear people are hearing Native American words as well. But you're saying these are English.

44:48 What's crazy. On the video that we recorded, I said something in Native American. I don't know if you've ever heard that before, but I said had something in Native American twice, a word that I've never heard, never used, and I've looked it up, but it's on the video. It's very interesting. My friend and friends that are watching these creatures. I don't think there they can't be harmful. We've been tracking them, and there's a certain there's a certain lay of land that they travel. They like their territory. I'll say that when. You were when you were very close to that gray one, were you able to see any details of.

45:29 It or oh yeah, oh yeah. He looked very human. He had purple skin, purpleish skin. His lips were pooched out. His lips were pooched out, kind of like what's going on. He had a he had a very human like face, long hair, almost like he had just conditioned it. It was that it was like flowing like his hair on TV. But those are the most those are the most couple of things that I remember when I saw it was his face and his hair. His hair was like Dwayne Almond. Dwayne Almond hair is kind of the way we describe it. It's very interesting. He said skin is purple. I've had two other people say that. One of them was other whose young child just outside of Oakridge, Oregon, said that he saw a purple one. That Okay, maybe he wasn't sure what, but now I've had two other people say that the skin is purple. That's really wild stuff.

46:31 If you see their skin like on their hands, their their lips, their face. They have a purple issh hue to them. And man, I'm just a regular guy from North Alabama. But man, we've been studying these creatures. Does your group have a name or do you guys just keep in the shadows. You've been in the shadow for now. We're honestly, we're not sure what to do with it. I get you, I understand. Wow, this is very interesting stuff. If you guys ever want to share any other info about what your research is finding out, my email is Bigfoot Society gmail dot com. I loved it. Anything else you want to share, I'd love to see it. But this is pretty wild stuff.

47:12 You can see me some emails of some orbs that have creatures inside of them. Oh nice. I don't know if you've. Ever heard that before. Have you heard that before? I have. I've just heard people seeing stuff inside the works. I'll say that. Yeah, I don't know if that's paradoia. I don't know what that is, but i'd like for you to look at it. What is your email, It's Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. And I've also got one Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Okay, I've also got one. I called it during the daytime. He was blowing at us. I'm gonna share this real quick.

47:53 That's okay. He was blowing at it, almost like a bull. Wouod Okay, that's what That's what our brain went. It did it a couple of times. I took a camera. I took a couple of snapshots, and we got out. We got out after reviewing the shots. I got him, really. I got him, my goodness, about one hundred yards away. About one hundred yards away is where his stance was. And yeah, it just gets weirder from there. My friend, I'm an investigator by trade, I'll say that. And I just happened to latch onto this because my friend started seeing weird stuff in the woods and he was like, Kevin, you gotta come with me, Am I seeing things.

48:44 Okay, gotcha, and we're. We've got pictures of structures that are mind blowing. My friend. Huh, good stuff, good stuff. Hey, I've got a podcast that's where I talk to people about Bigfoot. Can I put this conversation we had in that podcast? Is that all right if you'd like to, or we could record another one with it with you know how it started, and then let what led up to that. It doesn't matter to me. Whatever you like, man, Okay, all right, Yeah, reach out to me and you'll send a few things over and we'll talk that way as to that way too, and I think we'll set something up. Yeah, we'll talk about it, okay.

49:24 Because there is a hot spot and it's an unknown not unknown. There's very few people out there doing what we're doing, and we think that's too our advantage. Gotcha, good stuff. Man. Have you heard of them hitting the pot like metal clanking yet? Have you heard of that yet? The closest I've heard would be people hearing the sound of a car door slamming when there's no cars around. Okay, so there is some metal, Okay, I got you. Yeah, For some reason they clang metal, my friend, I don't. I haven't figured it out, but they do. It's very weird, very strange stuff. Dude. Evidence is much valuable, more valuable than words, and I'll send it to you. I've got your email, Deremiah.

50:11 I appreciate you working on this. I plan to be more part of a bigger part of your production here, so I hope to be back on and I'll be in touch with. You, all right. We'll talk later. Kevin, Thank you, Thanks Bud. Good stuff. Kevin seems like a good dude. Hey, Gail, how are you good? How are you good? I saw your comment about experiencing something in Vermont. It's very rare to hear anything from that state. So that's why I know, right, yeah, exactly twice in Caledonia County north of here where I'm at now, I'm in New Hampshire now. Anyways, I used to live up there. My ex and I we used to go out camping on this property that a friend of mine owned, and it took place in it was near a swamp area, so you had to literally travel through the swamp to get to the property. And it was on the back road and anyway, so we're sitting out there one evening inside in the truck. It was an F one fifty pickup truck. It was a big truck, and was sitting there and just watching the stars. It's quiet, it's beautiful out there, no noise, you don't hear anything. And all of a sudden we start hearing trees crashing so in a distance, and I'm listening carefully. I had the windows down,

51:43 and we heard that first tree. Then we heard another tree crashing, getting a little bit closer, and I'm like, oh, my gosh, what is that. And my ex is, that's a car on the dirt road. I'm no, that is not a car, because you can tell a car on a dirt road. And then another tree crash in the woods and it's getting closer. I'm like, oh, I was getting a little bit nervous. I shove in the center of the truck so I wasn't near the window, and all of a sudden, a car then goes on the dirt road before you cross over the swamp, and I'm like, that's a car. You could tell what the sound is.

52:32 And after that car went through another tree crash. It could have been one or two more trees that crashed, and they would thump or they were getting knocked over. You could hear the thump on the ground as each one was getting knocked over. So I'm like, I'm not liking this. And all of a sudden it got quiet still, and then all of a sudden, a big bang in the side of the pickup truck. It lifted the truck and moved us sideways and I scream and my ex I think he even got nervous. But yeah, I'm like, did you just do that? He goes, how am I going to move the truck? Because I didn't know if he stuck his arm mountain whacked the truck, but it was louder than that. But that was the only thing I could think of. And then he's like, there's no way I could move the truck. So he immediately turned the truck on with the headlights. Now we were sitting in the middle of the field. We were in the middle of the field. He turns the truck on, the headlights on. We circle complete circle, and there's nothing there.

53:48 We don't see anything. We didn't see anything going through the swamp. Absolutely nothing. Now, I don't think it was a moose. I do not think it was a bear. There's no way I'd be able to move a big truck like that sideways. And I'm like, peez, we got to get out of here. And I live in where I lived up there. I wasn't too far. It only takes a minute to get out there. So I used to have also at my home, my old home, rocks tossed at me. I'd be sitting out back and there'd be rocks coming from nowhere. Literally, I'm like, where did that come from? I lived right on the corner of the street and there's nobody around. It was during the day, everybody's working, kids in school, there's nothing around. We used to take the kids camping out there when they were younger, out in the swamp area, and we used to do like a survival camping with them, and we'd hear wood knocks and we'd hear other sounds. I've seen orbs out there.

55:00 One time inside, like right at the beginning of a trail, there was a bright orb right there. I'm like, what it's that. And this was before the encounter. And then recently here in Sullivan County, New Hampshire, a friend of mine who's a cop, he had stopped by and he was telling me of something that recently just happened. His wife was visiting a friend of hers, and the house is probably across the field from where I lived. It's like a dirt road and not far from up up that way.

55:44 I guess. The gentleman was taking his dogs out and it was toward the evening. He had his flashlight and that and the dogs started getting funny, acting funny and nervous, and we happened to look over and he wore he saw a thirteen foot bigfoot. Cool, my goodness, that is rare for New England. Mackerel, I know, right, but I've heard of him being that tall. Yeah, they can get that shop northwest. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. And I'm like, no, please don't tell me this because I've already had an encounter. And my husband also has heard right outside our door, like the whoops that they make, the sounds the bigfoots make. He has heard that sound.

56:35 There's some incredible accounts. Thank you. So guys, this is the first part she was talking about. Is northern Vermont. Yeah up there. Yeah, that's where Caledonia County is. Thank you for sharing what's going on in Vermont up there. I've never heard anything up there. Just I've been listening to your show for a while and I'm like, oh, I got to get on there and tell my story because I've been listening to your podcasts on. You Tube in that appreciate that. I think, Yeah, a lot and Vermont. That you've had. I'm like, oh, I've got to get up there because I know I had an encounter. That's wild that I've only heard of stuff like you experience in order Vermont out in Washington, Oregon, where the truck gets flipped over or.

57:22 Something like that. Just really such a yours is man, that's scary. We weren't even able to see what it was that smack to the side that ship. We could not see anything because it was pretty darn dark out there and we were watching the stars and that just it was a quiet time and hearing those trees crash is what got me, and the sound getting very closer and you'd literally when the trees drop you hear it. Absolutely wow, Gail, thank you for coming. Is this? Can I use the audio from this conversation and a bigfoot podcast?

58:04 I have? Absolutely? All right, Hey, keep me in the loop. If stuff continues to happen, I'd love to hear about it. You can send me an email at fu Society at gmail dot com, or you can always I'll keep doing these lives as well. Yeah, definitely. I told my friend there who's a cop, I told them please keep me updated and posted on this because I'm very curious about it. Oh yeah, definitely. The right people need to know that stuff, So I'm glad that you're keeping an eye on it. But thank you for coming up. All right, I pick the society get the privilege of talking to Chance today. Chance is an individual who has a Bigfoot research group called the Orange County Bigfoot Group based out of Orange County, Indiana, which if you've never seen where that county is a lot of Who's your National Forest is in there, which has come up on the show before. But welcome to the show. Chance, How are you doing?

59:06 Man? Doing great? It's a beautiful day out here in Iowa and it's getting a little cooler out so we're big fans of that out here. But you know, Chance, tell me what got you into the whole big foot subject to begin with out there in Indiana? Well, originally I was a peronemal investigator, and after my daughter was born, I got out of that and I had two stuffing, so I leaned into the well, crypto zoology. It's all some of the stories that my dad, my brother's chared with Englhich I now know end up being Bigfoot experiences. So I kind of fit off that. I kind of I haven't had a hate foot long, but I consider it visual. I think I have got one on a video before another one hundred percent short. But it just it's something said, I'm just growing love. You know, I'm very passionate about the field to study and I love to learn and just getting down in the woods.

1:00:10 Absolutely. You know this particular area that you're in, is it known for any type of interactions with bigfoot? I know certain parts of the country. You know, sometimes you've got Oklahoma, which you're a little crazier and then anything like that going on. Yeah, but it's on the lake. It has has had the report that I ag mistaken. I think you've even had a few people on your show talking about experiences there. But I'm not mistaken. There's a small towns like so Magodi, Naoli, which is curly where I'm at. There's some bad like you sit around there about that. I've heard more doghin stories mad from. I have big foot h Ringo Riservore with my mom's home property. That's where my dad they ended for that took them to the poor and there's all kinds of things that goes on there to One of the reasons why I created the group was for that reason, because I mean, nobody can fully understand it's exactly what's going on. Maybe the counters experiences they have with this, you know, with this creature, and when they try to talk to somebody four times the time they get ridiculed or make foot up, they don't talk about it again. Well, I created the Orange Canting Bigfoot Group

1:01:40 to be somebody that's they can talk to get the kind of if it's just something they need to get off the chest or whatever. That's what we're here for. We don't charge a dime, We do everything free. We're just here to hell. Yeah, I like that. That's why we do this podcast as well. So it's good to hear that we're on the same page. Regarding that you mentioned your father and your brother having bigfoot experiences in the past. Is that anything that you might be able to share. My father was very that dry type of person. He was straight but to the point. But when it comes to telling this story, especially if he if he was drinking, he gets handed it. But the story never changed, Drunker Plover, The story never changed. So that's why I never qued whether he was besilit. My dad came home from Vietnam.

1:02:38 They keep it home for like maybe a year or two, went to my mom's well home placed the property to score on hunt, and while he was hunting, he'd come across the bones and kind of a tangent here with My dad was a foreman aunt medic in Vietnam, so he knows what he's looking at, and he's you know, when it comes to bones and stuff like that. So he didn't think that's another because they looked like this regular animal bones. But he said as he kept walking, started seeing more and eventually he come to a ridge and he seen where a bone trail was going up the ridge. He started to go up that ridge to investigate.

1:03:21 I remember him telling me that the further up the ridge he got the figure the bones got. He could swore up and down. Some of them at one point appeared to be human. And when he got to the top of the ridge and leveled off and got that far in front of it stood a cave. He said the spell from his cave was something off that he was burning his eyes his nose, and he thought he was about a cute gave. The smell was a little ranches of the future. And at that time he said he heard that people was dark as the grown he's ever heard come out of that cave. The two red eyes about seven feet plus up in the here just start staring at him and I asked him, Dad, what did you do? He said, Bunny, he said, I envy both pharols of that shot. To turn around. It turn around all but off that bridge, and he was nothing ever went back. And it's a lot, my dad, but he was scared. And even when I told the story, see where it's still bothering.

1:04:25 My goodness, that sounds incredibly intense, and especially I mean, you have an individual that was a veteran in that that conflict, and wow, that's incredible. Thank you for sharing that story from him. My first I guess you could say experience with sasquatch was with my dad. It was in as will in me and that's in Proper County. I will say you this Proper County is it teeny with encounters and experiences? And I know they are. But this one particular day, my dad and I were hunting, squirrel hunting, and while we was squirrel hunting, we would always do our track the upcoming deer season, and we decided to walk this little creek and it was we did have a drought that summer, and so it was pretty much drying because for a couple of spots and he were going around the corner. If my dad stopped his tracks and I ran ditched back infully, how about do I get in trouble?

1:05:35 I walked inund my dad looked at him and he was white as a ghost, and I said, Dad, what's the matter? Because I don't know what made this track here, you know, so we're not sticking around to find out. I looked down. I'm thinking, I'm gonna see you know, oh Dad, it's just a deer track in the mud or something like that. Jeremiah, I, I did you not? If I'm flying, I'm dying. It was a perfectly sky looked like human trap, but it was way too big for a human. It had to be this let me think, ared, don't put me on the side, but I gotta tell you, it had to be at least seventeen eighteen inches long, and maybe as far as nine inches. Wife, I mean, it was fast. And we got out of that creek bed and went back to my uncle Raymond's, and a thing that was really kind of messed up scary about it.

1:06:30 If you look up out of the creek bed where this track was, you can see my uncle's house. We got back to the house and my uncle Raymond that's how he done, and my dad proceeded to tell him the story of what was sound and what my uncle said to us. Next kind of kind of caught me on guard because they told me and my dad that he'd been hearing strange howls and whoops behind the house. So we put two and two together. Figure, whatever made that track, that wasn't making the hell of the whoop. It was just that was my first taste. It's the whole bigfoot deal. Oh, my goodness, is that a normal sized track that you'll find out in that area, because I know that's normal for like the Pacific Northwest, but I'm not, I guess, super familiar with what normal is for Indiana.

1:07:23 Yeah, so I gotta say I think that was probably a rare case because I've never heard everybody I've talked to here in Indiana the biggest I've heard him. I think I've heard like eight feet nineteen. I think one piece of property that I investigated, the guys says that the alpha there was probably most to ten feet the biggest I've heard. My goodness, that's that's really intense. Did do you find there's more activity down in Southern Indiana as opposed to northern I guess you're more You're focused on Southern, right, Yeah.

1:08:03 Primarily Southern. I mean I'll I'll go anywhere if I need to. I'll help anybody, whether they're in Northern Indiana, central of Southern. But I think Southern has more activity because it's got it's or forestry hilly. I think it's got I think it's like a little bit more swampy. I think the food to buy here is a lot better than that dord. We've got tons of deer, turkey, squirrel fish, funny water to spring. Southern Indiana's covered case, so there's plenty of shelter. I just think Southern's got more activity than North Indiana does. I could be wrong, though.

1:08:47 So when you have people reaching out to you from Southern Indiana, is it mainly people reporting, hey have got something going on? Or is it some of you know I've got something going on. I need someone to help me because I don't know how to handle this. Fix your boat. Some people just want to tell their stories to get out for chest. They're good. I have, I haven't got to talk to the young man for a while. But he used to work in a baseball taoly peach and I'm just five minutes from my house. He thinks he may have seemed like they're so I've been trying to help them with that. I can tell the kind of poverty he was talking to me, So I've been kind of trying to help them with that.

1:09:34 Like I said, I got to talk to the poor guy for a while. I hope he's okay, whether they want us to come out check things out or they just want to, Hey, I gotta get to talk my chest. I need to share with somebody. That's what we're there for. We don't they don't fast judgment, we don't o fun, we don't really kill. I have made a player with the group, and if I can't, you disrespect to somebody coming forward, you will be kicked out of the group and be banned, and I will let everybody else know what you've done, because there's some people out there geremids genuinely need help with this because they don't know how to handle it. They're struggling. But and it breaks my heart dead people are so disrespected because of it. I can't judge. I can't judge anybody on anything. Whatbout that happened to bio me?

1:10:28 Yeah, absolutely, odor going on anymore. So when you have someone that's coming to you asking for help with a situation, is there any advice that you're that you're usually giving them to be able to handle better when they've got activity really close to their house. Yeah. I had one lady reach out to me. She told me that she thought she had someone her property and they were when for a term r here. You know what they were going to do or how they want to act or anything, and that's old her. The best thing that I said, if you want, I can come reach you. Why you do it? I would just go out to your woodline or your property. If they understand I mean that, I'm convinced they understand what we say, they understand our language. I just told her, just talk more.

1:11:22 You just don't know. It's me to no harm that out there to handle and ask them to be respectful and not to hurt anything. It's like your property or your family or your friends or she's done this and so far in the last I heard, everything's looked out. He said, everything's been real peaceful and she has bed that nervous feeling anymore. I always just been a firm believer, Like when I stepped in the woods to go with four hunting or deer hunting, and of course I've got a weapon. I always introduced myself or I stepped into the woods and let him know I do have a weapon, but it's not for you, it's nothing else. I wouldn't use it on you I had to, I would use it to protect. And so far time on what I have to. Had anything bad?

1:12:10 Heppen? Absolutely. Have you had any close calls when you've gone out? Sometimes the things can get pretty close to you without the creature actually being there. Yeah. The only thing I've had I've heard tree knocks hear whoops? I did have. I went to a place called a little Pogram with my daughter. We were finishing. We were buying by ourselves. My vehicle was the only one in the parking lot. We did hear a whistle play a day and they couldn't have been on board five ten feet from us. And she stopped and looked the name. She goes, Daddy, she goes, what is that?

1:12:50 I actually said, well, want you hear? She goes, I heard a whistle? Yeah, I heard that too. She had look on her face. She goes, do you think maybe that was a big foot? No, baby, it's a maybe. It was maybe just letting us know that they're here, you know, and she won't go back after that. She will not step foot in that place again. Yeah, I love it. I love you're all about it. That's that's really close, man. I mean five to ten feet is no joke, for sure. I mean it was it. I mean, just the thing And what's funny is it sound like a whistle my dad gets to do and my dad's not around it, and were got wrested soul but instad it just like his and they didn't. I didn't get anything the meaning or he will buy it, and it just to me it was kind of like, hey, you know, just let's know I'm here. But my little girl wouldn't want to have it.

1:13:47 Man. She was done. Yeah, that's that's a lot for for someone younger to go through. For sure that might not be super into into this as we are. But you're the first I believe that I've talked to from this area that's an actual researcher. Pretty sure. Can you do you have any thoughts on on why who's your national forest is such a good habitat for the big Foot? Or is there any way you can explain like how big this forest actually is. Than Who's the national I want to say as at least a couple hundred thousand acres, if not maybe more, give or take. I think that's a good place for him because number one, there's plenty of cover. Number two, there's plenty of food, plenty of water. I just think because I mean, it's so thick in there too. There's some places you can't get into. I know, I've tried.

1:14:51 I just I just think it's a good place for him in general, because if they want to get away from somebody, they can go to the thickest bird that forestry and you'd never know. And it's so it's so well, it's so easy for him to hide themselves in there. You go walk right past them, if you never see them, you never know it like that. Well, the one I think I call him video, I didn't. I didn't even know he was there that video. What I thought was a tree structure. And as I'm paying to the right, if you watch the video, you'll leave them there raise up behind that structure. I never noticed that man back around it was gone. And the other reason I caught that part was because the owner of the property told me the video because did you see what you got?

1:15:39 I said no. He thow me on his tablet to watch, And sure enough, if you watch, mostly as I'm handing to the right, you'll see something prays up from behind that structure. And on a tablet you can see. I mean, I've seen the forehead. I've seen the wrinkles. The kid didn't eyes, the mouth, the ears, the hair was looked. It looked like a blank lame and they had it. The look itself was. It wasn't like a mean look. It was more kind of a what are you doing? Kind of thing. Yeah, I just I thought that was the coolest thing I'd ever had ever captured to this point.

1:16:20 Wow, do you guys have a YouTube channel or is that available anywhere for public? For stilling the early processes? I created the crew? Okay, but maybe Pard he's no founder, he has effectivity on good property. I was hoping to get in with me today, but due to work schedule if he couldn't make it. But Petty, I think is a guy that you would really want to talk to I'll get a hold of him back. I want to see him to night. I'll let him know, let him throw a line. Out to you. Yeah, I would love that. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. Now he's actually I've got his interview on the video where he says he actually seems one deeping around his bomb and Dan's trailer.

1:17:05 Oh, that's that's why in that video. See I can see in the video of what I think is when I captured behind the structure. I've got several pictures of tracks and everything. Just Jeremiah, he was just blowing your mind, man. I just I don't I'm not really afraid when I go in the woods because I fear I had nothing to do fear because I'm not there. Har you know, if I'm in the woods, I'm I'm hunting for food. I'm I'm bout a hunting for sports. I was thinking clear, I'm not there for evil intentions. Does that make sense? Yeah? Have you talked to anyone in this county that they have experienced anything like like infrasound or things that that could cause negative effects to people.

1:17:58 I haven't heard anything. Yeah, I called my honeypot. I think I got hit with it from down that once, but oh well, old times, I felt that my father one gets sick. I got real weak lethargic. That was not a fun feeling. I haven't fail a kid, but I do think I got hit with it. You had mentioned earlier that Hoosier is also you also get reports of other things, and we we stick to Bigfoot in the show unless it comes up organically. And I'm talking sorry, I'm talking about dog Man. What what kind of things have you heard about dog Man in this county as well?

1:18:51 In Hoosier, so property I called my honeybot. The owner of that property says he had a dog, had experience. He says one comes around every now and then, and he thinks that it's coming around there to la like a better term, bully the pick foot that are there, because I mean there. I've heard stories and I believe it's true. There's no love line between dog Man and bit Foot. I think there's an ongoing turf war between the two. I've heard. I can't remember who it was. It's only that they team one on the fronty as well. But it was just like a leading movement of one what appeared to be one. They wasn't sure. I'll I'll be honest, I have had very many Dokman stories told to me, but I'm always four now. Even though we're a big flood group, somebody's got something like dog Mans stuff like that. They know they get a hold of us two and we we will help that the best way we can.

1:19:53 Yeah. Absolutely, And I think you're definitely onto something there where you know, I have heard of things off area where there are certain areas in the US where they're almost barring factions of Bigfoot and dog Man, and it can just get really dicey, and we're not We're not even talking about land between the Lakes and Kentucky like this is other other places that aren't. We talked about a lot. Story big Wood saving people from dog Man. First source of people seeing them actually fighting one another. I mean, I just I just I just think there's I think there's a fine line between the two. I think there's a tolerable I think the waring process along with the other I think it's like a big old gang and war.

1:20:50 Yeah. Yeah, I think I think you're right, based on what you've experienced and what you've heard so far. What is what are your thoughts about what Bigfoot actually is out there. At one point, but maybe there's not been the miss link between you know, I mean Man and eight. But now as I think about it, I think I think number one on enter one of God's creatures. I do believe that. I think however, on the evolutionary trail, whereas Man went one way, I think that speaks she's just stayed the same path. I think they're one now with Mother Earth. I think that's why we're so good at heighting and camouflaging, because I think they've gotten so well of including people and things that I think their hair can actually bend light.

1:21:44 They can see in the movie Predator. I think that's an actual thing they got. They can see an infrared real well at night. I think that's just part of the whole evolutionary tale. And a lot of people say what was about the net one or this of that? And I am damn whe they're coming from with that, because I mean, they make a valid points, but I don't think they're just there's a part of Earth like we are. If I'm not thinking again, are more lifted. I guess you can say for lack of better work, absolutely have you. You know, we talked about Crawford County, which kind of gets down there. Well, I guess it does.

1:22:26 Have you heard of any things happening down by the Ohio River on the Indiana side, Yes, I know. A gentleman named Great Ghosts was by spatch Man. Yeah, both the Park County foisted quite a bit. He has quite a few cameras experience. He's act forget to build the barn was some got what he calls old Red And if you ever get jumped in and talk to him, it's not going to be disappointed. You You absolutely just love his story. I've heard Ottown I'm from called wal Benny.

1:23:09 I've actually heard I rather report. I think it was on p f R O where they mom and daughter was going home one night they see one sitting on a sit down a ridge being against the creek. I mean, there's just a goes on around the Ohio riot on town and they always say they always follow the water, that was followed the creeks. Yeah, I think Ohio I think probably blotting their major traveling bands. But yeah, I wouldn't be shocked to hear someone catch one around there or singing only.

1:23:49 Absolutely, I mean there's been I've had a few really interesting conversations over the years with people down in that area just outside the Ohio River, and I believe it's Indiana, but man, it's a fascinating area. I wish, I wish I could hear more about southern Indiana. I mean, it's very It's a lot different than I think what most people picture Indiana to be. They're probably thinking more of the northern part where maybe it's a little flat, but down the south it's a different story.

1:24:29 Yeah. Well, when when when you bring up Indiana, big what's not the top subject? Bring up Indiana? The first thing people think of is basketball? Right, it's and Larry Bird and right. Larry Bird, yeah, bigfootcuse me, not even being thought of. But people would actually be amazed there's a lot going on in southern Indiana. Tars big book. Those people will realize. Again. It's one of the reasons why I created this group, because I know people are heavy with experiences of those tailors and they have nowhere it turned and that's where the weak them in. So tell us about it. You know, they get anonymous. They don't have to give their names.

1:25:17 We don't share names, addresses, locations, and all stays anonymous unless they tell us otherwise. I don't. I don't invade people's friends. Have you gotten to the point where you've tried to do a town hall in your area or anything like that. Actually, it's funny you bring that up, because I was just scary to say October at the day holy bop, oh. Man, hold on, we just went through a crazy reception area. Can you start that over again after? When you're going to start staying? When? When, and where it is? Please? Yeah? On October twenty seven at the day Only Public Library if Daily Indiana, me and my buddy Teddy, we're going to have a I guess you could say like a doelln hall. Wee got invited to come there to talk about Bigfoot because October is done a scripted month here in Paoli, So we were hottered to be asked to do that. So we're looking forward to it. It's free of charge. What you know, you can come in, share your stories. You know, you know most of ours, our beliefs, our philosophies. We we're very excited. We're hoping this kind of maybe beats to people knowing that you know, hey, there is somebody here in the area that can't help us out. That's what we're shooting for. We're not We're not in it. You're just trying to make a quick bug or get famous, you know, we're just spically research.

1:26:48 That's great. So it sounds like the beginning of the program is going to be male lecture from you guys, where you'll be sharing things you've heard, and then you'll actually be opening it up to the people in attendance to share things. Yes, yes, we also I want to have like you know, we have like a little fun things for the kids. Stuff when I stow up, I got give him stickers. And if they want to, you know, take photos whatever, that's fine too. You know, if they just want to come and listen. I mean, we're good with that. We're just we're happy and excited that we get to do this because Eddy and I both care about very deep.

1:27:33 Well Chance. This has been a great chat about what you guys are researching regarding Bigfoot down there in southern Indiana. And I appreciate you coming on the show to share. I want to make sure that you were able to share everything that you had come on the show to talk about today. Yeah, I could share my brothers encounter real quick. This one's kind of funny. Oh sure. Yeah. Him and our cousin Woodie, they were like brothers. So when they were in separate fo they went, they won't walk in the back of the property just to check on the crop. So I'll leave it at that. While they were back there, my brother said him and what he both heard his loud thud and it's rolling and said, down, you know, coming down the ridge, he said.

1:28:19 When he turned around, he said, this figure looked like about six feet ors though redish brown, his hair, jumped up on two feet and just shot at the ridge like it was something he was like bubba. He goes, that looked like he was blinding up the ridge. That's how fast it was moving. And he said when he turned to tell, you know, to give what his attention to take a look at it. Well, our cousin Woody, let's try and dry. He's already headed back to the house. He left our brother sit there. That's right. You just got to be the quickest guy. Yeah, and that's what I thought, my brothers, I said, you don't. You don't have to be the fastest. He had fast to the first behind you, and unfortunately you were the one behind him, right.

1:29:05 That's funny. Wow. That And I've heard that in other reports as well, where it does almost look like they're gliding even when they're running, which is extremely interesting. They they say, people say they look really smooth. It's almost like it's almost like the fluid the emotions. So schooling this almost like watching away vertically mm. Hmm, yeah, absolutely, I've I've heard also almost like watching a cross country skier if if people are familiar with that, what that would look like. Yeah. Yeah. One of my one of my former employees, what's going to go home from work? About two thirty four in the morning, heading toward I want to think, go, He told me, he's my creature. Run across the road and stand behind a sign. He said he wanted to put his hands up on the sign and cover his face.

1:30:08 When he drove past it, he said he could see the hands, the fingers, the nails. He goes, and it never dawned on me until I got home. Just he goes, I couldn't comprehend what I seen, which makes sense because when you see something that you know recognize, your brain automatically like trying to reset itself. The constantly question what did that? What does I see or what did I do? Or you know that effect? So it got bit by the bug. After that, I just thought that would free And he told me where the top tim going. It was up on a hill. If it was Paul, think it is, it had to be well over eight to nine feet Paul, and it duck down to.

1:30:58 Mm hmm. Really really interesting stuff for for sure, man, chance, We'll have to keep you in mind for for the future, if you know, if we ever need to reach out and tout reach out and talk to anyone about what's going on down there in Indiana, I will definitely keep you in mind. It's always good to know researchers in different parts of. The U S. Please please do that. I'll throw out my email here, my email spaorite drummer at email dot com, s T I R I T G H A R M E R Hey gmail dot com.

1:31:45 If everybody needs to get a hold of me that's around here. He needs to talk to somebody to drop me online, and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I will. I will answer back. I do answer all my message. I won't leave anybody, yeah, in for a long period of time if I can help them because our work schedulers they kind of it's kind of different than most people. Gotcha. Gotcha? And is there a way people can keep up to date with with your group specifically? Yeah, they can go to fake I've got a Facebook group right now, Orange County big Foot Group. Just looking at it's open to the public. You'll see a picture of big Foot. You'll see buying and titties profile pictures in there. I try to get on here as much as I can to give updates and everything, and I let people know if I come across any new activity or having new experiences or encounters. I always leave it open to everybody to talk and discuss things I like.

1:32:44 I like to look at it as a big A big family is what I want to look at it like that. Now we're not just individuals. We're well one big family that believes in this, has the passion afford and I want to learn from it. Yeah. I think that's how how we're going to be able to get some answers in the subject in the future, more people start to be able to work together and and all of that. But I'll make sure to put that information in the description for this episode, Chance, but thank you so much for coming on the show today. I greatly appreciate it. Jimi, thank you for asking me to come on. A great, great pleasure and honored talking to you. And let it back.

1:33:30 This literally got to listen to a lone episodes just before you call me. Oh there you go. Thank you. I appreciate that too. You have a good one, sir, you too. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a National park ranger of forestry work who's been told to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense, if you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith, or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't, then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous. You can read me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. The world

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