She Screamed, ‘It’s Evil’ — And Then the Forest Changed | Colorado

0:00 You're listening in Big for Society, and I'm Jeremia and Byron. Tonight's account comes from two men who followed a strange tip from a woman at the Sasquatch Outpost in Bailey, Colorado. Where they ended up and what they ended up seeing is incredibly intense. This is the story of Mike and Todd in the night the forest opened up to stay with us. All right, Big for Society, Welcome to the show today. We've got two individuals that we'll be talking to today. We've got Mike and Todd. These two gentlemen have had some interesting encounters over the years. They've been involved with an expedition with mister Jim Myers from the Sasquatch Outpost. So we've got some really interesting things to talk about today. So Mike and Todd, how are you guys doing today?

0:48 Doing good? Jeremiah, thank you for being on the show. It's an honor. I'm Mike from Wyoming. I live in Wyoming. Yeah, doing good as well. My name's Todd and I live in northern Colorado. Thank you as well, and been listening to your show, working my way up to get current and enjoying each and every one. What was it that introduced you guys to the world at a Bigfoot? I always look back at when I was a kid, I had this remember getting these books from I don't even know what it was. I think it was a wool Warst store back then or something like that. But they were these books that had like one page kind of blurbs on different things I remember, like Locknest Monster and the Pyramids and different different random things. But one of the things I remember was reading about about Bigfoot.

1:49 And I got a few books. My parents sign me up for a book club kind of thing where they mailed your books every month or whatever, and there were a couple, I know, almost Bigfoot and one was about a yetty and I actually kept those until actually moved to Colorado here and I gave them my kids to read, and they weren't so interested in reading them because they were old booked, but I remember reading them that they're digging them out of the box. So that's kind of my my thing when I just remember back when I was a kid. Jeremiah, when I was a kid, I was in the dinosaurs and I followed the Lockness Monster on any show I could, and then one day I came across in Search of with Leonard Nimoy and he did Patty the Patterson Gimlin film, and I was like, if dinosaurs exist, then Bigfoot must be a cave man. And that got me into it.

2:48 All right, so extremely interesting, pretty I mean similar to two stories such as myself as well, you know, introduced to those shows and those and those book books. But what was it, guys that made you cross the line from you know, watching shows and books to actually, you know, maybe going out and having an encounter. Is it something that just happened organically one day? I kind of got reintroduced to it or more interested in it with finding Bigfoot and seeing that they came to Colorado and that was a thing. And I never really considered it at that point and living and call it like I'm in the hiking and camping and fishing and stuff. But I took a job in Leadville, A working at the hospital up there, and that was in.

3:58 Like twenty twelve through two fourteen, and. Just being into the finding Bigfoot thing, and I ended up having conversations with one of the maintenance guys up there, and I kind of had my my first experience up there that made me really think like this is possible, and this is you know, this is a thing maybe, and you know kinda kind of started me on that that path of like wanting to go out, wanting to learn more and and and seeing what's all out there that if if they're not just in Washington or California, they're you know, they're here too, And then finding out I'm also from Pennsylvania originally finding out there from there as well, and you know, looking back of like did I have any anything going on that like I couldn't explain.

4:57 I couldn't really think anything, but you know, just having that possibility that that could have been, you know, something maybe who knows, but you know, nothing really stuck out then. But my. First real experience was in Leadville. Mine was I was watching Finding Bigfoot to an Expedition Bigfoot and listening to your podcasts and then West Germer's podcast, and I started putting the pieces of the puzzle together that these things that happened in the past that I couldn't explain was possibly Bigfoot related, and that got me on the path and I met Todd and then we started hiking in doing some research in Colorado, and that led up to the Bailey incident. But I do have some stuff as when I was younger. I'm a big outdoors when I love to fish, hike. My friends were in a honey so many years ago. We would there was a group of five of us, Me and my brother and then there was Bob Perry and Troy and we would all go camp and fishing every weekend we could.

6:22 We used to go up to Kurk County State Park Crystal and then we went up in the Medicine Bow the Snowy Range area to Lake Owen and we had when we were younger. We stayed in the tent and we would play It's a crazy game, but we used to king in the tent. We would put draw straws. Whoever had the shortest would get in the middle, but four guys on each end of the tent, but all the sleeping bags were things would hurt us and we would just beat each other up, you know, wrestle whatever we could to get somebody to forfeit and get out of that tent. And we were king of the tent. It was kind of crazy game. But one incident, my brother got pushed into the edge of the tent. Something grabbed his hair and held him. He screamed, he couldn't move.

7:07 We were trying to pull him and he was stuck through the nylon tent. Something just we had longer hair back there in the eighties, and something had his hair good. My friend at the time, we didn't know he was loaded, had a gun, ran around the side with it. There was nothing out there, We couldn't find anything, and he said raccoon, which made sense. You know, the raccoon has little hands. About an hour later, one of our fishing pots. You could hear it dragging off into the rocks and trees. You could hear it clang in the hallway. Bob went running out after it again with spotlight in his gun and said, the raccoon had taken his fish. That skillet was heavy. It was heavy cast ironback in the days.

7:48 They don't make him like that anymore. And it just didn't you know. At that time, when he said raccoon, I was like, yeah, that was the easiest thing to think it was, But it didn't make sense. How could it carry that? Those cast iron hands were heavy. And years later up there there were as many times where they have I guess you'd call it a gondala where I take my dad and a picnic table there we could fish from where the crit goes into the lake. Many times walk and there's bushes to the right, there's the crick to the left. As I'm walking towards the lake, it just felt I felt uneasy, like I'm being watched, but I couldn't see anything. And one time it was so bad the wind was blown and everything, and I walked by the bushes and it was like I ran into a brick wall. The wind stopped, all the sound was stopped. I stopped there, carrying some sodas to go back to my dad and lunch. And I don't know what compelled me to do it, but I sat there and stared and I said, I know you're there. There was nothing. There was nothing earn It's just like I wanted some kind of reaction. I didn't know what it was at the time, but I knew it felt like I was being watched. And then years later we would go to kirk Galty State Park that I hope somebody comes forward on this. And between Christo and Granite Reservoir, we used to fish down in the creek and one of the weirdest. Me and my friend Bob would throw rocks at each other. Bob had some plumbers crack going on, so I would throw a little teeny rocks to try to see if I could get it into his back in, you know, like a little hoop. Well, we started getting

9:21 hit with rocks that I'd be like, Bob, stop throwing rocks. Those are bigger, and he was. He swore he didn't do it. Later that summer, me and him and another friend of mine, Scott, were fishing. It was foggy, went to this ledge. It has a six foot ledge above us. There was a little waterfall and we could see the fish in there the night before. So we were going to get there. What we spooked him? We were going to get there early in the morning. A fog was heavy and we're sitting there, me and Scott. Bob is just up the way and rocks are being like if somebody's to the top of that kicked off onto us. And I thought for sure, you know that, I told Scott, Bobby's messing around with us and some rocks were going in the water. Is pissing me off because I thought it might scare the fish. But it turned out that Scott started throwing some rocks back and I was like, oh, let him go, let him have his fun. Scott picked up some bigger rocks. You couldn't hear anything getting hit.

10:17 But on the third time, oh, probably a little bigger than a fifty cent rock. He threw it back and you could hear the thud and made contact with something solid up there, and I was like, oh my gosh, you hit him. And at that moment we heard a sound that almost was like aeio wu together, but it was a deep grunt, like I can't even do it. It was like I looked at Scott, Scott looked at me. I panicked. The first thing I was thinking is push got towards that wall so I could get across the other side. Mountain lion came into my mind. That's the only logical thing I could think of at that time. Scott was just quivering. We couldn't hear this, we couldn't hear it moving. It didn't make another sound. Stop the rocks mark Another one of our friends to the far end, Bobby, had caught a fish and we'd heard it and I screamed, Bob, we're catching fish left and right over here. I could barely get the voice out of my mouth. I was so scared. Scott was sitting there trembling, and when Bob came over, he said, oh, you guys are catching a lot.

11:19 I said, there's something up there, and of course he was back and he walked up. I walked behind him. Nothing. I don't Jeremiah, this this canyon is steep. There is no way when we were going down that I'd have to lean to the edge. You take a step and you're almost going three four feet down on granite, the little rocks, because it's just so steep. There's no way anybody could run up that, no way anybody could be anywhere around there that we couldn't see him and there was nothing up there. But again I played that off his mountain lion. But there's several times we were down there, just me and Bob by Aursel fishing and I'd be like, do you fill that and he said, yeah, there's some yoyo's up there watching us fishing. If you get a fish, let the drag go out. Don't let him know, because that was a good hunting spot down there for fishing.

12:07 Several times like that that we just felt like we are being watched is not the right word. It was so strong. It was like we are being observed. I felt like we were little ants in an ant farm that somebody on the outside was watching, and we were the ones being watched. I never seen anything. That was the only time I ever heard anything, never smelt anything there, But yeah, that had And then probably a month after that, a gentleman had been fishing very close to where we were. And this was a secondhand story, but I got to talk to this guy. He left there because well, his wife, he had him and his wife, and he had a Bookswagon Beetle back in the days. His wife started screaming.

12:54 His wife and kids were up there towards the kreek. He was more towards the lake. Come running around the corner and he described, he said, looking over the rock was Bigfoot, and back in the eighties. Of course, everybody was laughing at him. And my brother told him and said, my brother's into that. Would you talk to him? And when I went up to talk, he was really reluctant to say anything, you know, because everybody was laughing at him. But he took off. He left his kids and wife there and took off back to town and then had some of his friends come back to get his wife. I was like, oh my gosh, it was about right where the spot that happened. And we again we blew it off as maybe hysteria because I wanted to be real. But it never scared us from going back to that fishionary.

13:38 But my brother, with that incident with the tent, he never went camping again and scared him too bad. So that kind of leads us up to Bailey. I was working with Todd and we decided to do some some research I guess you would call it. We just went looking at hiking to see if we could find anything into a Sasquatch out post. Ran into a lady there. I don't know if we could use her name, so I won't, but as soon as we walked in, we were asking where the good places to go around Bailey for any kind of bigfoot footprints or evidence. And she looked at me and Todd and said she could read our auras that we had purple ares around us, and she goes, I'm going to give you my secret honey hole where to go. So me and Todd went there, and I'll have Toad jump in too, We walked up in this area. It was steep and they had cameras, which was real weird. They had cameras on the picnic, like the vestibules out there. We walk up and I found a little footprint that looked like a little human footprint.

14:43 Showed Jim up there, and he didn't think it was anything, but I was like, who would have their kids up? We were off off the terrain and it just seemed real rough to have kids. It was probably about four or five inches long, maybe two or three inches across, but Jim didn't think it was much. And then we found a bigger footprint we took a picture of and we ended up finding somebody. I'll let Todd go into the piano, but we found somebody's There was somebody's underwear that was all ripped up on the bush as we were walking up. We thought that was really weird. But just a lot of weird things up there, and you know, and then some tree breaks. Me and Todd ran in some tree breaks and a lot of people are like, well, if they're in the forest, how come we don't see them?

15:28 And me and Todd was in a section that I was looking at. I think a tree or a stick figure, and Tod screamed at me and I went to turn around real quick, and I thought, oh, crap, mountain lion. There was a deer not ten feet away from Todd, a buck that just sat there and looked at us. And I was like, how did we not see that? As we got so close to it didn't move until we were talking back and forth, and it went off about twenty feet from us, and there's a dope. I was like, how did we not see these things? You know, it's they're right there in front of us because we were looking for other stuff. But I'll let Todd go on. And there was a piano we found in the forest that I I that was strange.

16:10 Yeah, So the the lady it's pass watch outposts, directed us to go there, and she told us about this piano in the woods, kind of showed us on the map on her phone generally where it's located. It's it's not an official trail, but if you follow it, there's a trail. But we went up and yeah, we saw the saw the little footprint. There's another another one. It was more of a game trail that we kind of followed, and yeah, it was like, you know, it was like a little kid print like maybe like a five year old size, and it was kind of in the the dry, dusty part of the dirt that you know, it kind of stood out. And then the kind of notice looking out that there's a little bit of a hill and you could see that it was the boundary of the park that we were at, that there were cabins. It was almost like it was they were using that if it was you know, if it was a big photo or even just people like you could over see the cabins without really being seen, like it was in the trees a little like after kind of thinking about where it was and then you know, where we were where the deer where there was a lot of a lot of tree bends and what could be structures in that area, and yeah, the deer being that close like and it was like it kind of jumped up behind me and

17:41 like I was, I was ready to go, you know, I was it was you knew it was something bigger and it was close and I didn't see it, so what the heck could it be? But it was kind of weird that we weren't really we weren't trying to be quiet in any way. You know, we were talking back and forth, and you know, you would think something like a deer would just kind of get out of there on its own, not let us get that close. But yeah, and then we went. Then we got to the piano. The piano itself is kind of weird because it's this old wooden piano in the middle of the woods and there's some landscaping don't really know, like the flagstone landscaping and places to sit, but there's no like there's no plaque or anything. It's like it's a memorial maybe, but like who put it there and what the reason for and all that is don't know. And I've seen people post like Colorado photography on Facebook where they found the piano, and I've asked the question of like does anybody know the purpose and nobody responds, And have went back and there were people there on horseback and they thought it was weird.

18:54 And again, no no. Idea what it was for. But this kind of weird to be out there where it's at. And then you know, we went testa where the piano was, and that's where Yeah, there was a pair of like tidy whitey underwear hanging in a bush that were shredded. So we were saying somebody had a bad time one way or another that they one left or underwear and you know that they just disappeared. There's it's just and it's a park. It's this hiking day use kind of thing. It's not camping, so people shouldn't be out. You know that that was somebody camping there or whatever to leave them. But there was a there was a big footprint near that that kind of noticed, Like the the moss was like kicked up like in front of it and what looked like toes to me what I caught, And you know, it was like, well, maybe somebody's bad time was they ran.

19:57 Into that big foot. But you know, it was just, you know, it was just a weird thing. I went back up these the next that was in September, I was it twenty twenty one, and we went back up. I went back up with my family the next year, you know, and things actually seemed different, you know, going on the same trails, went to the went to the piano and went past it and it was like it's the same, but it's different to me. I don't know, like I didn't notice all. The the tree bends and stuff like that. But you know, it's just it's just a weird, you know kind of area.

20:45 There's been some weird stuff that's went on. There was a incident where there is a body found up there and it was on it was on the news, it was following what was going on, and like they posted a story and I can't remember the exact wording, but it was like, well, they shut the park down completely that people couldn't go in while they did this search. But the guy was reported missing and they found them and it sounded like it was an animal attack related kind of thing.

21:26 But there was no follow up and then the story just disappeared. Of like. You know, you go to the same same web page and you can go back and find the story. I'm like, I can't even find this old story to be like you know who you know, who to follow up with or anything that maybe contact to this out of curiosity. But you know, it was just a weird thing, and it was you know, it's a place place that you go that you kind of want to know, like, hey there, I mean, there's mountain lions and bears pretty much everywhere in the mountains in Colorado, but like is that a is there a problem bear or a mountain lion kind of thing? But yeah, I haven't been able to find anything more on that. And I even asked Jim myers On about it.

22:19 He does. He's mentioned how he. He he gets called out with the corner and stuff if there's traffic accidents and stuff, and he said he wasn't aware of anything with that himself. So and it's one of his one of the areas that I would imagine he would be going if people that he works with goes there too. So I'd want to clarify a few things just to make sure I have it all together in my head, because in that account, there's a lot you guys through out there. So it's it's an area where you like into it. There's a stand up like old school piano.

23:05 You found a large footprint with toes that was near a Is it a pair of underwear that had been ripped in some way? Is that all correct? It sounds straight, but that's correct. Yeah, they were like trader just hanging out on a bush. Guys. That's a missing four on one stuff right there. Like I've ever heard it. My goodness, I. Was gonna, you know, and I don't know why I didn't take a picture of that underwear because I told Todd, I was like, this looks bad. It was. It looked like it was I don't know how to explain it, Todd. It looked like it was. It looked like it was ripped off with someone and put on a bush. I was like, oh, dear god, what is this?

23:51 Yeah, oh boy, how what was the length of the footprint? Would you be able to did you able to get feel for that? And anyway? It was big? It was, yeah, bigger than mine. Yeah. We bought Todd's shoe decks to it. Yeah, we're eleven and a half. Oh wow, Like you know, I'm not, you know, not like I have huge feet, but you know, it was noticeably longer and wider than mine. The with had to be the withth looked like it was six inches. It was so white. It was crazy white. Gotcha. And just just the one footprint then.

24:31 Just the one. It was at a soft spot right there because the rest is kind of rocks and some brush. So if he stepped again and we looked all over for a set of them, but there's bushes, you know, there's a little brush that maybe twelve thirty thirteen inches tall. It's it's we tried, We tried to find another one. It's probably the only episode I'll ever be asking these questions, hopefully. So where was this a larger pair of underwear? It was large? It was an adult Well, either way, it's not a good not a good thing. But was there any anything that I guess you've torn off of it, but any anything that made it look like it was bloody in any way or just you know, a normal pair.

25:34 No, I don't think we've seen any blood on it. It just looked like normal pair that had been shredded, ripped. Yeah. They just looked like dirty, like weather kind of Yeah, they had been there a. While, gotcha? Gotcha? So, like has the dirt of the forest on it? Yes, Okay, it almost looked like it was placed in that bush. There's no way to win because it was on the backside of the bush. That would have been that wind would have came from the northwest. It was opposite of that, so there's no way that the wind just pushed it over on that side of the bush. It looked like somebody placed it there. It sounds like, well, roughly how long does it take you to get to this area where this is in the woods, oh, like from the parking lot.

26:26 Yeah, yeah, not too long. Maybe, Like, yeah, we actually went farther back than we thought because we came back behind some guy's cabin. We somehow got way off track from where we were and we came up to some guy's cabin and I told thought, oh, we need to swing more to the north because we don't want to come up this guy's backyard. Todd, had you said around like twenty minutes something like that? Yeah, maybe maybe somebody if you were going to walk straight you know, like just go straight back to that. You know, it wasn't that far. But you know, we were checking this out here and going over here. You know, we were following this straight back the trail. You know, we just kind of kind of just wandered into that.

27:18 And that's weird. That's that's one of the weirder things I've heard on this show, to be honest. And that's where you know, And I told Todd. I called him the day after and said, did you see when we were up at that? Uh? I don't even mind giving the place away, do you, Todd? Oh? No, no, you know, because a lady told us that's your favorite big quick place, but oh, yeah, I don't go to it. I said, yeah, I said, I told Todd, I said, did you see there's a missing guy up there now? And they closed the park down because we were going to go up that weekend, and Todd checked into it a lot more. I was like, what is going on? And that Todd's right. It was on the news and then just disappeared. It's I don't know, I hate to say cover up, but it just disappeared. Okay, So that's right. So there was a body found in the same area or in the same park. You're saying, oh yeah.

28:06 It was for those it wasn't. It wasn't right after it was like, I want to say, like a year and a half later. Oh yeah, yeah, it was next year, but I mean it was in that place. Yeah. Gosha, man, that's that's very very weird. It makes me wonder, like, why what else this this individual has had happen in this area if like this is her special spot, you know. Oh she told us me and Todd she's seeing three juveniles there. And this is crazy because this is going to lead into our big encounter with Jim but she told me, and Todd said, you guys got to promise and do me a favor. And I said, what she said, If you walk and everything goes quiet and you hear a humming or a buzzing, she said, please backtrack, go backwards, do not go forwards. And she was talking about portals up there, and you know, at that time, Jeremiah was like, this is a bunch of monarchy. But yeah, she made it clear to me and Todd. If you hear some buzzing or humming, she said, and in the forest ghost quiet, she said, back up.

29:18 So this is interesting. I don't know if you guys follow the Untold Radio Network and Chris Ryan Hart and all those guys Doug's channel, but they've they've been getting data from all over the US where there's this this hum that's being captured, this buzzing. It's forty hurts and I just interviewed Chris and it can be replicated using a tuning fork and allegedly when you play it like it will, it'll pretty much bring the weird stuff in. So that's really really interesting that you just mentioned that that is that similar thing is heard in the same area.

30:07 Todd, no, turning forks. Do not bring those us. We have enough. We have enough weird stuff. Jeremiah was thinking of it. No, I'm not going with you if you do that. Oh yeah, and I did. And I'll say in this one too, that's for entertainment purposes only. You can be careful messing around with stuff. Yeah you don't. Yeah, be careful messing. And the gentleman that was on your show that ran into that nine foot big foot right out of side of Bailey, we met him up in Estes. You got to talk to him. Yeah, we got to talk to him about an ESTs. So when you were in this piano area, did it did you You didn't hear any of the humming or it didn't get super quiet, nothing like that.

30:53 Okay, Okay, Now I was joked around because the piano still mostly plays, and I was like, like you wonder if you play the right or the wrong tune, right kind of thing that does it? Does it bring something? Or you know? Or like it was like how creepy is it? Like if you're out hiking and you hear a piano, you know, like that's just something hitting just keys, not even playing any Yeah, you know you're like that would be so weird, and uh yeah, it's like it's. Do you remember what that inscription said that was on that rock on that piano? It was weird.

31:36 It said something like like you were meant to be here right now something like that. It was weird. It was painted and it was just fitting there and it was like, no, that's kind of weird. And yeah, I remember when we went back that that rock wasn't there, so somebody probably took it with them when they found it. But it's like, yeah, like what what am I meant to be here for? You know, when you really if you sit down and think of it. Yeah, that's weird. Guys, what did did you go back to the outpost and share with that lady? Like, okay, here's what we found?

32:22 It was we did and she told us was like I have seen because we were okay, we were getting close to we're getting real close to the trip now. She was one that suggested we do the trip and she'd said she'd seen three juveniles and I was like, how often do you see him? And she goes, when I go out there, they come around, and I was like, I told Todd, we need to go with her. She seemed to know a lot. And I don't know what you call her, Tod, What is she a medium? She she could ring auras and and she knew a lot, you know. I I look for her every time we go up there to ask her just questions in general because of the crazy thing that happened up there. But she knew without getting say okay, so I'm going to jump to the end real quick, just so this little tidbit, and then we'll start at the beginning. But me and Todd was having breakfast and I was like, I got to go talk to Jim. You know, that was just a weird night. So I went in to see him and the other two people. I don't think they would mind us giving their name. They were in there at the same time, and they were talking to Jim's wife about what had happened because he had left early. He was out with his friend doing some research real early in the morning. They were over talking to his wife and we walked up to this lady and she goes, something happened last night, didn't it. And I was like well, And she goes, were you two with those two over there?

33:52 And I was like yeah, and she goes, oh, dear, Lord, she knew that this kind of jumping ahead, but she knew that this girl, I don't even know how to describe her, Jeremiah, but she has She said she's had dog men's nightings. She draws things, she could talk to go. So I was like, I don't want any part of that. But this lady, as soon as she's seen that, she goes something happened. You've got to sit here and talk to us. So that was after the trip, and it's like she could read everything she knew. She said something happened, and I said, yeah, something happened, and I don't think it was bigfoot, but she was like, nope, nope, it was totally bigfoot, and he was. She said, they pick on a certain person and for your viewers in case they run into a situation. She told me if I and if I would have said out loud, you're scaring me, stop, she said, they usually will stop. And I was like, why didn't Jim tell us that before any of this happened.

34:48 But it's time to get into the crazy story. Now you want to start it, well, okay, you know what, I'll start it because the things happened to me first and then right when we start getting into the canyon, I'll over to Todd. So we show up and I told Todd, I was like, I'm kind of I didn't know Jim, you know, from Joe, but I knew he had guided bigfoot tours and he had backpacking and camp and tours. And I told Todd, I'm skeptic. I think he's going to sit out there and have some friends, bang on some trees and houller back, and I would be the one to jump of anybody. And so I told Todd before going in, I said, I'm going to basically, for a better term, I doped myself up. So I took beta blockers, some anti anxiety medicine, some quantity that slows your heart rate. I said, you know, Godzilla could have jumped in front of me and I wouldn't. It should not have affected me. I should have been like whoa, you know, because everything should have been really let's just say, my flight or fight should not have kicked in. It would have been impossible. But we get out. He goes to the part of the I think we could again.

36:00 I don't know that's one of his spots. So we show up at this park and he goes to one side and he goes, I'm worried that we might get trapped in here. Let's go around. Did you guys see where the hours is? He said he knew the people in the park, and I said, I didn't see it. So we ran over. He wanted to go to one spot and he said, well, I'm going to take it to a second spot. What I really was I told Todd, I hope the people were real cool. We ran into a gentleman about our age and his daughter, and I was like, oh, thank god. You know, I thought we'd run into some people we wouldn't like, but they were really nice and we got along well. And we had read the Bigfoot report and seen a movie I think it was Tearing the Woods with two Ladies that was on Kenosha Pass and Bigfoot had chased him down, and it's on the BFROO website. There. She reported to that and to the police, and so I was hoping we were going to Kenosha Pass, but we ended up going to another one of his spots. We get out. I have so much things. I bought this infra red flare, so many things. Jeremia on me. I was a real greenhorn.

37:05 I had everything. I was prepared. I thought, we step out, and not even twenty feet from the car, Jim goes, I want you guys to look at this. This is a big foot break. And I went to look and I was like, now, how do you know it's a big foot break, and he goes, it's been twisted and looking at it it did. It looked like something that you would put your hands on and twist, and the object almost like a slinky. It was so crazy that it was one of the few trees in the park, right by that parking lot. And he goes, bigfoot did that. We walked up, so it was Jim, it was this gentleman. I don't think they would mind us saying their names, but I'm just going to leave them out. So it is Jim and a gentleman, his daughter, me and Todd.

37:48 I'm bringing up the rear. I'm trying to get all my stuff situated. We're talking to her and she said, yeah, we live close to Utah and she said, you know by where that we don't say its name and her D said, what are you talking about? And she goes, you know, we don't say its name. And I said, what are you talking about? And she goes the TV show and I was like, are you talking Skinwalker Ranch? And she flipped out. She was like, we don't say that. We don't bring that kind of mojo to us. It's going to be bad luck. And she grabbed my arm. At that point, this is just a whole bunch of circumstances going up there. She grabs my arm. She said, we don't say that, we don't ever, that's going to bring bad mojo our way. So somehow I trailed behind him trying to get things. I feel the best way to describe it, Jeremiah, is someone's pulling my shirt. I turn around, there's no one there, walk a little bit, pulls again. I was like, this has got to be static cling. But I have a shirt on, I have a sweatshirt because it's supposed to be cold that night.

38:47 I have a backpack on, but I could still fill towards the lower part of my back. My shirt being pulled freaked me out. So I walked up to Todd and said, will you get behind me because I'm worried about losing one of my I had so much equipment on me, and he said sure. He did that and it stopped and I was waiting for him to scream, you know, someone's pulling my shirt, but he never did. We go up a little farther. Now we're getting to the canyon. I'll let Todd jump in and we'll kind of go back and forth. But we're getting to the canyon now, and it's getting darker, So. Going back a little bit like what Mike said.

39:28 We went to the one area and Jim was afraid we were gonna get they were going to lock the gate on us. So we went back out and parked another area and he showed us the tree break and he kind of explained, you know, we asked him why he says that's bigfoot, and he said, well, it's twisted. But then he said, how priests don't usually break in the middle. They don't usually break six eight feet up. They break at the bottom. They break at the top, you know, and they usually, yeah, don't do that from snowload, and if they if it is snowload in Colorado or when they usually blow over because the soil is shallow, so the roots are shallow, and you see you see that all the time here, so you know, it's kind of a okay, so this is what we're what we should maybe be looking for, you know, you know, add that to the to the to the knowledge kind of thing.

40:31 You know, we got to the we kind of were cutting We weren't on trail. We were kind of cutting through to get to the trail. We and once we got to the trail, Yeah, there's a creek that It's a small creek. It's real shallow, maybe ankle deep at the most, but it's not like I wouldn't say it's a canyon like vertical wall canyon, but it's it's steep on both sides. It's not something you're just gonna walk up. It's it's gonna take some effort. So it kind of when you get to that part, start feeling a little closed in the The guy we were with, he's a hunter, and he kind of said how he he wasn't necessarily comfortable with that, knowing there's mountain lions and stuff, and you know, you're giving them we're taking the low ground and giving them the high ground. But Jim also explained that that's kind of what we're trying to do for the Bigfoot, to make them more comfortable to come and see us. You know, we're being vulnerable, you know, and it's like one of those like okay, cool, but I don't know if I'm all.

41:46 Right with that. You know, it's like, you know this, I don't know. It just seems you know, it's getting dark, and you know, you don't usually just go out on a hike somewhere with you know, a couple strangers and you. Know, hope, hope for the best. But we went and I'm like, since it's been a while, I'm like, I'm trying to we we came across the spot. Oh, the guy. We were with and I was in the we were in the front at that point. We kind of like rotated and we were chatting and and stuff on the way, getting to know each other.

42:28 Hey what do you know? What do you know? And how do you feel about this? And that kind of thing. But we hit this like smell and I didn't know how to explain it at first, but it was, I mean, it was one of it's it's exactly like how other people say there was nothing and then all of a sudden, there it's just a strong smell. It smelled like. The guy that we were said it smelled like like rotting salmon, and there was something else there too, But I was like, yeah, that's it's like if you just like left the a stamin that you caught the layd out in the stunt all day, you know, it's it's gonna smell pretty bad.

43:10 But it was just weird how like you could. Step into it, step out of it, and you know, we were all like, yeah, we all smell the same thing. It's there's it's there, it's not there, you know, and it's getting dark, and Jim kind of explained, well, maybe it's a dead animal on the side hill and because it's it's coming in the evening the cool airs coming downhill, you know, and it's following following down that way, he went off on the side, you know, trying to find whatever. And we're like, dude, you're crazy, because if it's like a mountain lion kill, you know, you probably don't want to come upon that not knowing what's.

43:50 All up there. But you know, it was really it was really weird at that point, and I actually went back up to this area. This was what Saturday, Saturday night. I went back up on Wednesday and kind of wanted to see it during the day so I could justify some things. To myself, and that smell was still there and it wasn't any better or any worse. And I was doing the same thing, step into it, step out of it, step into it, step out of it. And I actually like had a thing of chalk and I drew chalk on the rock of like the borders, and it's like, that is really weird. Now, Like you I would think if it was was a dead animal, that it would have in the summertime in August, it's gonna either get worse or get better. Something's gonna drag it off, finish eating it. Like the people that the rangers or whatever in the park would have found that there have been hiking.

44:55 You know, there's plenty of hikers that go through there like something. But it's just weird that this smell was just like in the middle of the trail, you know, you got off on the sides. It really wasn't there, but you know, it was kind of a I don't know it was there was I don't know. I had this like nervous tension anxiety going into this of not knowing what might or might not happen. And. You're anticipating the unknown and hoping for the best. Like we're there to see bigfoot, you know, but what are we going to do if we see bigfoot?

45:38 You know, like that kind of thing. But no, it was. Like we went go from like tree break and then we get to smell thing and you're like, okay, that's another thing on the list. Like this is like, this is all going in the direction we wanted to. I think. So it was, you know, but like I was trying to be the kind of being skeptical at the same time, like hopeful but being like, oh, who knows, you know, like I don't think that this is it has to be anything, but it your sounds like it could be something.

46:24 I don't know, Mike, you want to do the next part? Yeah, this whole night is like a movie clip in my head. I was so traumatized. I got everything to a tee. We walk into I'm gonna say, I'm going to use Bee for the boy the dad, and Kay for the girl. That's their first initials. So Be stopped Bee's in front of me and says, oh, do you smell that? And Case said no, I didn't smell anything, And then I walked into it and Todd, right, it's a wall. Cay said, it smelled like rotten salmon. I walked and then I was like, it's like dead fish and like road kill. It was so bad. I can't even describe it. I've never smelt anything like that. And Jim goes, where is it? And I was like, I don't know. I don't smell anymore. We stepped back and it's literally just this wall of funk in the trail.

47:16 So Jim said, where are you smelling it? And he goes, oh, dear lord. He goes, I think that's kill some you know, a mountain liin has maybe killed something and has has it up here. He goes, give me a hand. I gave him my walker that I had my what do you call that, Todd the stiff oh, hiking pole? Hiking poles? Like, yeah, thank you. I gave him that. He walked up there because he had a knee brace on. I was worried about him falling. I kind of go up with him and he's digging around in the bushes with that pole, trying to see if he could find something dead up there. And I was like, like, Todd said, We're like Jim, that's not a good idea. There's a mountain lion kill right there. You're going to get bounced on. That thing could be anywhere here. So he came down. He couldn't find anything. He said, it's not there's nothing right here.

47:58 And I was like, there is something right here. It is so strong. We go up a little bit. It's getting dark now, and Jim says, let's stop at this this little it was like a little resting area right next to that creek. Jim goes, all right, at this time, I'm going to calm the savage beast. And he goes, I'm going to sing. He started singing, so we let him do. He singing, and he goes. Everybody closed their eyes and pray to the Sasquatch and let them know that we're not here to harm them, and we, you know, we mean good intentions and how you feel and what you'd like. You know, maybe they'll show themselves. So this sounds bad, jerem I, but I was like, all right, Bigfoot, I'm here. I'd like to see some proof. If you're out there, I said, please throw something that my friend's head.

48:51 This is going to go on later. It did not happen this night, But Todd's got some stuff to tell you. A little later after this trip. So we're sitting there doing a little chance and everything and Todd I'm talking to Jim. I was like, yeah, I got these. He was like, what you bring And I said, I got these cool night vision that you could see. I was like, and he said, oh, yeah, I've seen that before. He hit a little monocular and at that point Todd taps me on the shoulder and said, do you see that? And just out of my peripheral vision I was talking to Jim, I was turning towards Todd. Well I could see between the two trees it was like dark and then light, and I was like, uh, there's something right there. And Jim goes, what are you guys looking at? He's looking up there. It's still it's getting dark down there in the valley, but the top of the hill you could see the light a little bit and I was like, something moved up there. I couldn't tell you what it was.

49:43 I just seen it the space get dark. When Todd was like, do you see that standing up there? And I so at that point I look at Jim and I'm looking at my watch because I've been doing a lot of David Pilate stuff and the missing time the watch. My watch was going perfect and my phone was perfect. I was like, I'm going to record some of this on my phone as we're talking his chanting and everything, and I forgot to but grab my night vision goggles that I didn't know had audio on it. The audio kicked on. I told Jim it's not working, and he said, what do you mean, it's what not working? I was like, it's not working. I can't get it to work. It just was working a second ago. So he started fooling around with it, and he couldn't get it to come on either. I was like, what the heck? I was like, and he said, well, bigfoot drains energy, you know, from batteries, phones and all this. And I was like, my night vision's not working at all right now. So I couldn't see where Todd seeing that thing up in the hill.

50:41 I couldn't look through it because my night vision wasn't working. God, did you want to add some to that? Yeah. So, well, after. Jim did his song and we were talking kind of just talking to the forest kind of thing. The guy we were with b he did an elk call was like an oak bugle, and then his daughter did a scream, and it was she had this like fancy scream. Like I was next to her, and I was like, oh jeez, my ears. But it was like that was a good scream, you know, like whatever's out there sure heard us, you know, doing doing our things. So but yeah, we were sitting there just kind of just chatting and just.

51:28 You know, doing our thing. And yeah, I was. I sat on a rock where i was kind of facing across the trail and I'm staring across the trail and I'm like, man, there's something movement over there. And it was like darker than the leaves on the trees, Like it was like like almost like a shadow moving. That. Like. But I was just sitting there staring at it for a while and I'm like it it is legitimately, it's not just one area. Like I'm following it from like left to right, and I'm it's like thinking, man, I'm saying things like it's just me, like it's it's the it's the nerves, it's you know. But I'm just staring at it and staring at it. And then I'm like I got to say something. And Mike was the closest to me, so I'm like, did you.

52:26 See this over here? You know, and it's it's literally just across the trail. It was like fifteen maybe twenty feet away, which is dang close for anything at that point, and you know, it was I didn't hear anything, but we were next next to the creek that it's pretty loud for the size of it. It's because it's flowing through, you know, it's pretty much solid rock that it's going through, and it like probably wouldn't and we're trying to hear it listen for it, but it's getting whatever's over there is definitely not making enough noise, you know, more than the creek.

53:15 So it's like it's just weird, you know, with you know, him him pulling out and like it just doesn't work. And I don't know, it's not too long after that, like nobody else seems to see it. But we're like, all right, let's let's go further up the trail. And as we're we're going, Jim, you know, it's getting darker. It's like literally about the. About the same time. At night, the same level of brightness that's probably a little darker than it is currently right now. And it's like eight well eight thirty here, so no this the sun's fading pretty quick at this point, but you know, and but when we get up it's it's it's it's dark then. So Jim tells us about the eye glow and how whoa he one of the one of the things on our list to bring, we're binoculars. And I was like, why would we need binoculars at night? Like what what good is that going to do? And when we get to this point, he explains that because you

54:45 see a point of light, you get out your binoculars, then you see two. So he's like, that's you know, they're they're further you know, you're seeing them from further away. It looks like one and then you have the binoculars. So of course, you know, I didn't have my binoculars because it was like, we don't, we don't need binoculars at night. But he's also saying, you know, you it's best to see them using your peripheral vision. So I'm walking like turning my heads to the side, you know, kind of looking up the trail the best I can as it's getting dark, and doing side to side and like putting my my tin on my shoulders and like looking up, you know, and like lifting my head up and looking you know, down my nose kind of thing. See, hey, can I see anything? Pretty sure it was. Jim was like, there's eyes up ahead, and I was like, you know, moving my head. I'm like, oh, yeah, I see. I think I see what you're talking about.

55:56 That. Uh, you know, we're going up a hill. And it looked to me like it would be almost like they were up in a tree or they were like way up the trail. But you know, it's hard to tell, you know, perspective whise at that point. But you know, it was. Super exciting because you're just talking about it and that's like what you're here to see, and uh, you know, it was like, okay, so you know I'm seeing, you know, talking to Gym, like I'm seeing. It's like a light yellow amber color.

56:39 He's like yeah, he's like and he's like if you you know, if you you're watching them and they blink out and like, yeah, I'm seeing that too. And the whole time there wasn't any real breeze or anything, so it wasn't like it was a light in the distance and trees, you know, the trees and the leaves were blowing kind of thing. It was like like we're all standing there looking at it, like like yeah, like that's what I'm seeing. And then, you know, we spent a couple of minutes there. And then the other thing at this area there there's camping allowed, but you're not allowed to have campfires, and knowing where the camping is allowed was like and we were down in the in the little canyon thing, so we wouldn't have seen it anyway.

57:37 It would have been like to our left and behind us at that point. So it wasn't you know, a camper with a head lamp in the distance or anything like that. And we're there and it's dark. There shouldn't have been anybody coming the other way, and we didn't have anybody come the other way, so you know, it wasn't that. But we spent a couple couple of minutes just kind of kind of just observing and seeing what was going on. And then. I don't know, we just Jim decided that like, let's move on, keep going up the trail, and.

58:21 We went. We didn't go very far after that. We just stopped and turned around to look back down the trail and there's this same thing, this glow up in the tree, like what I presumed was in the tree. You know, it's just because it's just too high. And if it would have been a big foot, it would have been a you know, thirty foot tall big foot. So that's not what it was. But it seemed like it was in the tree to me, like we were looking. We were still looking up on it, but we were on the higher ground than we were before, so it wasn't sure if we walk far enough to walk that's the first.

59:05 One or. There was one, like one in front of us and one behind us at that point, but you know, still watching it and it's it was. It was moving and it was surely like it was on and off kind of thing blinking. But then that's when the other things started to happen. Probably let that Mike explain his his part of this, because he was probably the record, yeah, the most effected, the biggest experience here on this, and like the rest of us were kind of some of us saw it, some of us didn't kind of thing, so we have a little different perspective on it.

59:58 So jeremiahs we're going up. What Todd forgot to tell you was a biker came down with his light on, and that's going to lead to what I see next. He almost took me out. He was going down pretty fast, and I did not hear Jim say to the side because a biker was coming down, and I barely. I think Todd actually helped me because I didn't hear it got me to the side. Is this biker comes flying down that hill and it was dark. I could make out the bikers he was going bias, but I without his light, I would have not known he was there, and I would have got taken out. But we go up a little farther as he was saying, we've seen some they seen some ice. I didn't get to see the eyes at that time because they had the monocular and the binoculars and stuff was looking in At this time.

1:00:41 My night vision still was not working. What I didn't know it was recording the whole time. I didn't even know there was a record on there, so it was recording audio the whole time. We go up. We did do a stay. We stopped with Jim and Todd had seen something and Kay had seen something on the hills. I couldn't they were I was looking real hard I wanted to see it. I couldn't find where they were looking at. But we go up to a little area and he goes, this is a good place to stop. And like he said, that's when I started seeing some amber? Are they seeing some? At first? They seen some eyes And as I went looking back, or as I looked back down the trail, and I thought it was on the trail, but apparently it was higher. I said, oh gosh, here comes another biker. That's what it looked like. It was like white, whitish color, light light blue color kind of mixed in there. But one Jim looked at it and says, it's not one. There's eyes there. Well, him and Todd are looking at it. There's see an amber.

1:01:41 I'm seeing a whitish blue glow. And the gates of Hell then opened up. At that point, we're all Jim is leaning against Todd's shoulder looking. I set down just to take a break. Kay. The girl is sitting me, sitting next to me, taking a break, and her dad is up and we're kind of and he's doing some weird He said, talk, don't be quiet. If you see stuff, keep talking, because we don't want to scare them. Away. We want to draw them in, he said. So if somebody says, look, look, look, keep talking, he said, don't be quiet. At that point, they're looking, and I'm looking at this white thing and they said, no, it's two, it's two. It's eyes. And I said, I see one white blueish, almost like an orb that I could describe.

1:02:26 They said, it's two sets of eyes, almond colored or alm in red. I didn't see that. I seen a blue white light at that moment. I'd noticed and that in front of me. Something looks weird. It's like it's distorting. I told Jim, do you want me to let you know when weird things are happening? He said, yeah, what's going on? Mike? I said, there's like hundreds of these fireflies flying towards us right now, just twenty feet out, coming towards us. And Jim was like, anybody else see that? No one seeing it? Then? Kay? The girl said yeah, I see him. Now they're coming. They're almost right in front of us. I said, they're all over the place. I can almost reach out. They look like little ants with glowing butts. I was like, where are they? They just came on the trail. It was what the lady at the Sasquatch out Post said was a portal opening all kinds of bugs. I'm seeing that.

1:03:28 Todd's next to me and saying, I'm seeing some kind of I'll let him explain and then I'll go into what just it was crazy at that point on, but Todd's seeing what Toddy was like a glimmer of black or what. It took me. Took me a little bit to figure out what Mike was talking about. I'm looking above where this is going on, and you know, he's he's talking about this thing that is basically the trail that we just came up, so you know, it's down lower and uh, once I figure it out, like what he you know, trying to He's describing it and being like, okay, so this is what I'm trying to look for. I see it and it was just like kind of like the and it didn't there.

1:04:24 It wasn't like a defined shape kind of thing. It was just it's an area. In front of us that but it looked like I don't know, I was trying to think of, like trying to describe it as like TV static, like it's moving like that like quivering kind of thing. I get migraines, and when I do the the rrow from it, it's like when you're like if your computer monitor gets a little funky and starts like shaking on you, and I get a little blur in that area. That's what it.

1:05:04 Looked like to me, like something that one of those two things combined, you know, both of them. But uh, it was really you know, it was weird because I'm like, there's there's a blurry spot on the trail and I'm not getting a migraine. I know that because I'm I'm seeing fine. Everywhere else, just just one area, and you know. It's really weird. And like as it's going on, like Mike starts starts sounding more anxious to where I'm like, is he okay? You know, like we're I'm like, you know, we're here together.

1:05:48 I'm afraid he's gonna get up and take off like one way or the other, you know, and just to be like don't don't run like it's dark, You're gonna break an ankle kind of thing, or you know that those you know, just those concerns. But I was standing there, Mike was to my left and Jim was behind me. He was used in my shoulder as kind of a report. As he's looking, he's not seeing it, I think looking back, Like I couldn't see where he was pointed for sure, but I think he was looking above it to where the eyes were and not below to where what we were seeing. But yeah, it was. It was definitely weird.

1:06:38 I've never seen anything like that, and uh, I was I didn't know what to do myself, like do we do we get away from it? Do we go? What do we do? Like? Is it come? Is it going to come towards us? Is you know, something going to come out of this thing? Like I don't know, I don't know what it was. But it was just weird that we were seeing these eyeglow and then this other thing happened that I really no no real explanation other than from hearing other people it could have been a portal.

1:07:20 How far away from it was you Todd, Oh. It was. Just trying to think of like this. It was maybe like thirty feet forty feet, you know, but it was after the fact of it was on the trail that we just walked through, you know, like if it if it was there before we walked through that the other way, I could think to explain it was because I just saw it recently or we were out and when you see the the little gnats that kind of swarm and if you see them in the light just catches them in the right way, like you notice them. You don't, you don't always see them from a distance, but then you can get closer and then you know, it's like a like it was like it was like a form of those but it was. It was weird for me.

1:08:27 I was just trying to be like this, keep it together, you know, like, don't don't, don't do anything dumb at this point, because we don't know what that is. Yeah, Todd, we'd never talked about that, Jeremiah, how far we thought that was? So thirty feet was probably that's probably reasonable. That's about where I was thinking too. So I'm seeing these gnats. I'm to the right, Todd's next to me, Jim's on the other side of Todd. Uh B is on the side, the guy is on the side of Jim. Hey, the girl is right next right in front of me, almost touching me. She starts to see it, and her dad's like, what do you see and she goes, oh, right here, they're little fireflies or something.

1:09:13 There's something weird right in front of us. They're coming towards us. She tells her dad, I don't like this. I don't feel good. Something is not right. It feels evil. As soon as she said that, Jeremiah, they're talking about these eyes and the tree, Toad and Jim. I look up to where they're seeing these eyes. I see blue, that blueish white. Again. I don't know how to describe it. I don't think it was an eye. I really think it was an orb, small orb I would say tennis ball size, and it was putting off an amount of light. Again, it was light, but it wasn't like a flashlight shining out. I could see it at that moment where that light was something. I don't even know how to describe it.

1:10:01 It's like it metamorphosed a blob, a black blob. As dark as it was, this was the best way to describe it. It was darker the night, the pitch darker night, and it's going up this tree. It's on the edge of this huge pine that we're looking at, and it's morphosing up to the top. At that time, I panicked, I told Todd, do you have your gun? He said yeah, and I was like, even though in my heart I knew a gun and I'm going to do anything to that because it didn't seem physical. Kay told her dad, said Dad, do you have your gun? And he said yes, maybe I have it, and Jim was packing too. I told Todd get your gun ready. I don't know why I said that, because I don't know what shooting would have done. At I think it was just a comfort to know that we had a gun. But in my heart, Jeremiah, I knew that whatever I was seeing, we couldn't stop it.

1:10:54 I lost it. I had started sweating. I felt like I was gonna I was sitting on a rock and to grab this rock with all my might to the right side towards Todd because I thought I was sliding down into the creek. My balance was off. I was having a massive panic attack, which shouldn't have happened, not with that medicine. I had never been in the fight or flight like that. Jim couldn't understand what I was seeing. He did not see what me and Todd and the girl was seeing. She didn't say anything about a portal, but she said, I see the bugs. I see it, and it's weird. It's like they're coming after us. And it just belt and built up and built up, and Jim used todd as like a tripod. Tried to get his monocular and was looking and he said, where are you seeing this? And I said, it's in the tree.

1:11:40 It's in the tree. It's rolling to the ends of the branches. It's rolling up like a blob. That's the only way I could describe it, a big black blob going up. And the cay's dad said, well, maybe it's a bigfoot. Maybe bigfoot. And I was like, there is no way anything could be on the edge of these pine and not move them. They weren't moving at all, but it was going up almost I don't know. That's why I thought paranormal. I thought ghost or alien or something. I was like, this is weird. And Kay started screaming to her dad. We need to get out of here. We need to get out of here now. And he said at that point, he was like, they've got whatever it is, they've got the high point on us. We're sitting down. He goes Jim, this is not safe. If we're going to get attacked, we're in trouble. We got a little bit of a cliff, a slight incline down to the creek. He said, we are sitting ducks right here.

1:12:32 So we started going down the trail. I actually had to have Todd help me because I was so shaken I couldn't get up. I almost fell down. I was tripping over myself. Todd was helping me, and the Kay the girl was helping me too. As we went down, Jim and I got nervous getting near that big tree, and I told Todd I want to be against the wall, the other side of the wall, opposite of that tree where I seen that stuff. I said, I don't want to go and see the tree. I knew which one it was. I was like, it was a big pine. I said, I don't want any wear near that pine. Thathing's going to jump out on us. We started walking down there. I would say, fifteen twenty feet ahead of us.

1:13:12 It's Kay, it's me, it's Todd's behind me. I had Tod, but Todd was behind me helping, helping me. All at once, all three of us stop at the exact same time. I put my hand back so Todd doesn't run into me. Because it's dark. I put my hand in front. She looks to the right. I looked to the right up the hill. She said, did you hear that? I said, yeah, I heard that, and Todd said, what'd you all hear? Kay said, I heard footstep like a twig break, and laughter of like kids. And they looked at me, and I said, I heard one big stomp, like if something was on a rock and stepped down like a human.

1:13:54 It was like a boom, almost like a percussion of a heavy step to the right of us, and it was close. We're all staring. This thing could have been ten feet away from this, and it was so dark we wouldn't have seen it. We're all looking right at it. My heart's going just a million beats a minute. Todd said, I heard I think he said a twig break and laughter, but he said down where the creek was, which made sense for me because my left ear when I was young, I did fireworks and damaged my hearing on that left side, so I would not have heard something on the left side and the creek was muffling it out, but they heard laughing. We called Jim back and Jim said, what did you all hear? And I was like, something heavy stepped and I heard the percussion of the step like it stepped off of a rock or a log and went boom. And as soon as it did a boom, it stopped. I was keen in on right there. We were all staring. Jim comes up and says, all right, let me get my He's looking at his monocular. He said where at? And I was like, it's right here.

1:14:54 I mean, it is close to us that we're here. We all heard it seemed trying he couldn't find it. There is no way it moved away from us. That was just crazy. And I'll let Todd explain what he heard too. At this moment. They won't go on from. There, you know. So we well, we all the three of us heard well what we each heard. And it was at the same time I heard. I heard that laughter, and I didn't say anything. I was like, this is my this is my mind playing tricks on me, like it's it's you know, it was just me. Nobody else heard that, you know, but I heard it's done. I would say.

1:15:37 The other side was the the twig break, and. That would it would just be something small, like small dry twig like this, you know, nothing big. But it was it's really obvious that, you know, some something over there broke a twig. But I didn't stay about the laughter at first, says I wanted to see if the other people heard it too, But uh, it was it was just that it was like creepy, like little kid laughter.

1:16:18 And yeah, thinking about it, that's what it was. It's really creepy. It was almost like at that point like something was messing with us, trying to trying to scare us out or whatever. But uh oh, and then then it's kind of well, sort of funny after that. As we're we're walking out and we're coming we're out of the Kenyon part and it flattens out and there's like a meadow and stuff.

1:17:00 We kind of came around the turn on the trail and we see what we thought was more eyeglow in the distance, and it was kind of one of those like, oh, there's two and there's four, there's like eight, like and it was just one of those what is going on, Like I am not like this is the way back to the truck, Like there's a whole whole family of them down here, like they're just waiting for us. Like, but uh, Jim was kind of he was in the back and he kind of comes around the around the the corner and he sees what we're hing and he's like, figure it like took a second and he was like, oh, those are just houses on the other side of the mountain.

1:17:49 But we're like, oh, thank god, Like I was not ready to walk into like ten minutes been Bigfoot at that point like that. But it was the other part with that was yeah, like we realized those were houses, and you kind of not because it's like there's different colored lights. But how I said before I went, I went back on the next on the Wednesday, and I went up the trail and I was trying to find houses like from where we were at, and I had to go a good mile.

1:18:32 My own and a half past. Where we thought we saw the eyeshine eye glow, and I found the house like it was up on the side. You know, it was tucked back in and you know there there were only a couple houses like way up, but they were they weren't really in that that general direction. They would have been more off to the right if we would have would have been seeing the houses at night. Yeah, it was going back in the daytimes. A total different experience because it doesn't feel as closed in and it doesn't feel it's the walls on the snide or didn't seem as steep and stuff, but it was still enclosed and you know, just kind of kind of rejudging distances and stuff like that. But I'm like, this is you know, this is where we had the smell. This is where we stopped and I saw the saw the shadow.

1:19:33 This is this is. Where we stopped and turned around and we saw whatever that was on the trail, and. Yeah, it was. It was. I don't know, in my mind, I felt better about going back there during the day. One part that Todd forgot was it's all about timing and I'm I'm not lying. I'm the real life Charlie Brown, or something's going to happen. It will happen to me. I had to. I got so nervous. I had to take a bathroom break, and so did Jim. And Jim made a comment at that time said, wow, you know, with the things going tonight, to be surprising if if I think it was Jim to said that it'd be surprising if you're going to take your bathroom break and look up and there's a big foot, and I was like, oh please, no, there's bushes right above me. So I'm just starting and I hear screamed no way, no freaking way.

1:20:28 Just at the exact moment in the canyon we had stopped, you could see the canopy of the sky for just a little bit above us, and she goes, what in the freak is that? And Todd looked up and was like, what is that? And they saw starlak. There was just a little part of open trees there that they could see the But the way the way the day was going on, you know, like Case said, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a UFO. But going down when we ran into those those cabins with the lights she paid. She was like, they're surrounding us. And I was like, oh my gosh, just let me get out of this place. I will never go back here again. We get back to the truck and Jim goes, are you guys done for the night, And all of us were like nope.

1:21:13 I said, Jim, I will never go back to that spot ever again. But let's go if you got another spot. So he takes us to this creepiest spot. I would tell you the name because I can't even remember what it was, Todd Mike. But it has grass and bushes and trees so thick. If I took two steps off that dirt road there, you would not see me. I could grab people as there were walking by, and Jim brought up that they had some issues with somebody was had kidnapped some kids or something up in that area. And just as he said it, we ran into this white creepy vand on the right side. I was like, you've got to be kidney. So we go up and he goes, let's just sit here and listen, he said, cause a lot of times people I've been up here with my researcher and we'll hear whoops and see some eyeglow.

1:22:04 No sooner did he see that say that, than we seen two red eye, two red ice, and then another set of red ice, and we heard whoop. I was like, no way, we just heard our first whoop from a bigfoot. Ever, everybody was like, whoa, that's so cool. And it turned out there was some teenage or young kids. It was bigfoot. Hontey had red lights on and Caen that kind of tor gym off. So we decided to leave and I'll let Todd. Oh. We ran into some freaky guy that spotlight est. But as we left, we stopped and again there's a meteor shower right above us. I was like, what everything is just happening at the perfect time. We get off this road, tell everybody goodbye, start to head back.

1:22:52 Somebody comes up on me and Todd real fast, real fast, with their lights flash and I was like, oh, maybe that's Jim. Maybe we left something. And Todd turned around. It was like, it's not Jim, don't stop. They're flashing me and right on my rear, right on my rear. We're going around these canyon walls, and I was like, this is going to be the time that some deer bear Bigfoot's going to right and run right in front of me. I'm gonna have to slam on my brake and this yo yo behind me will hit me in the rear. That happened for about twenty minutes. We turned what was that east? Todd on to I said, eighty five to eighty five? We turned east. They went the other way, thank god, but I was I could not be for that night to be over. I went home and I was calculating in my head and there's no way this happened. This had to be that, this had to be this. I wanted to talk to Todd and he was tired from the event. So all night I'm just calculating then listening to every sound. Todd, did you want to tell him about the whatever that spooky person was with the spotlight?

1:23:55 Oh? Yeah. When we were coming back down from that, we were parked the trailhead and there's a decent sized parking area. You know, it wasn't just off you know, a couple of cars on the side of the road. We were coming back down and you know, after talking about like how kind of creepy it was and seeing like the kidnapper van and stuff. On the way up, there's a house on the left and Jim was driving in his truck and you know, it was. Just a normal pickup truck. It's not like we had like off road lights or he didn't even have his high beams on. And like there's this house on the side up on the hill and they're like the other lights were on and they start like spotlighting nuts and we're.

1:24:39 Like, what's that all about? That? You know, we weren't going fast. We were making noise, you know, other than the engine basically and the sound of driving on the rocks. But you know, it was weird. And then yeah, we did our we got back to where we where we all parked on the side of the road, you know, Jim Jim went. Home and we talked the the. To B and K a little bit, and so I saw the meteor shower they were they were staying. They were camping in the tent, and we were like, how fun with that, Like we got a cabin, Like at least we have some solid walls. But yeah, driving out that road going back to two eighty five and that car came up, it was one of those like out of nowhere and yeah, with them flashing their lights and everything, I was like, this isn't cool at all, and I just yeah, I just told Mike, don't don't stop, don't let them, don't pull over, like like it's it seems like a bad situation. But yeah, we got out the two eighty five and I was like, there's a gas station out there, you know, if we got to pull over, that's where we pull over. And at least like someone will you know, be a witness to whatever might happen.

1:25:58 But it was just it was just a weird, weird way to kind of end the night. And then yeah, we went we went back to the cabin we were staying at, and it was like obviously had a had adrenaline spike along the way. I know I had one whenever we were sitting in the truck and we heard we saw the red lights and then we heard the whoop, and it was like. They're here too. Like it was like this like huge thrill, but like we're sitting there like in the dark, like almost waiting for like this big foot to like come like shake the truck or slap the truck or something at that point from you know, other people's stories. But yeah, there was there was like four or five college kids. I'm guessing they were coming down, but they had these weird red lights that were kind of like they looked like lasers in that as they were like we saw like just a red light and then as they got closer you could see it like it was like a laser.

1:27:05 Kind of thing. But we kind of, I don't know, kind of wrote that off as. There they were out well they were either just out drinking making noise, but they're they were probably out like trying to find Bigfoot two, just being being loud about it and all that, but it was, it was It was super disappointing at that point because you're like, this is it or this is like this is the next step, and. It wasn't anything. But but yeah, finding out like, yeah, Jim was not happy about that, and uh well, the funny part was was we were sitting there with the lights out and everything, and we sat there for a few minutes, not making the noise, and then all of a sudden, he just like turns his lights on, turns the angel on, and the kids, the people there, you know, twenty feet away from us at that point, they just freaked out, like, oh my god, there's people there.

1:28:07 So we at least got the We got them back a little. If nothing else, Yeah, that night, my nerves would have been shot along with you guys. There's a few things you said where I just don't have any explanation for him. One the blog you saw going along the tree branches, and then the shimmer as well. It kind of reminds me of some sightings people have had where it maybe kind of a predator effect or then you have have you guys heard the Adam Davies account from southern Oregon. No, it's an old one, well maybe about ten fifteen years ago and seeing the portal in the woods somewhere in Oregon, but they actually saw things come out of it, just weird, weird, weird, weird stuff after that night, Did you guys continue to have weird stuff happen back at your homes or is it just that's kind of like a one time deal for you guys?

1:29:17 Oh are you ready for this, Jerebiah. Yeah, well there you're going. I get home and I tell Todd I have so I have an alarm system in my house. You know, it's blank. Basically why I have it, it's cameras. There's one in my room, there's one in the living room, the dining room downstairs, and I have some outside. It's because my mom has dementia. So when we're away from the house, I want to make sure my mom's finding hasn't fallen her. It's she's wandered outside a couple of times, so I have to call the neighbors if she's doing stuff.

1:29:58 We we we tried not to keep her at home alone because it's bad news when we do. So I have cameras on my house. I don't activate the inside one's ebber because we're here and they'll go off all the time with our cats. I go back to work and I tell Todd. I was like, I sent Todd a picture. I was like, you got to see this. This is the craziest thing. My camera in my bedroom time lapsed. It wasn't on, but a time lapsed and showed me moving in the bed, moving in the bed. So I wasn't sleeping good, but I was moving, moving, moving around. And then there's a photo that's right at the very end. It looks like so I have my window.

1:30:41 I have a king bed. I have a big window to the right, big window to the left, to the right. I keep that window up about well the sheet. I keep it up about two feet so the cat could look out. If I don't, she tears up my blinds. This picture, the best wagon is describe it is it looks like a spotlight in the window, bright light, and it looks like there is Christmas Garland wrapped around my camera. That's about the best way I could describe it. I sent it to Todd, and Todd showed his wife, and his wife was like, Mike needs to burn sage around his house now. After that, weird things has been happening, you know, and you hear the hitchhiker fact, and I'm telling people be careful doing things. It's kind of spooked me, but weird things have been happening around the house. My mom thought she saw some big dude looking in the back.

1:31:39 We have a back She's been sleeping on the couch and I don't know how. I don't know if it's the dementia or if it's actually her, but she said somebody big was looking in the back. I have a back door and it's almost all glass staring at her. She screamed. I got up, went run and flipped on the light. I didn't see anything. I couldn't find anything. But she wouldn't sleep unless I put a blanket to cover that door, so I did. There's a blanket up there now. But the last it's weird. The last couple of days before we called you, the lady in the Sasquatch out post told me. He said, sometimes there's a hitchhiker effect. Sometimes they'll follow you home and me and Todd it gave me an interview with somebody in Denver, where dog men followed them home on an incident, and I told Todd, we ever run in a dog man.

1:32:28 It's our last time going out. I don't wan anything to do with that stuff. But I put in rocks outside my window here my bathroom window. Hi just high. I was like she said, sometimes things happen and around your house and you don't notice it. So with the weird things that's been going on, the rocks were moved, not into a word, which again I again, we have snakes, some bull snakes around here. Maybe they move the rocks and I will find these white rocks around the house. It's just weird. We don't have any like it almost looks like crystal. The last three days it sounded like a helicopter. I got a message from my neighbor. It said, did you hear the helicopter going over the house the other night? Said it. I looked out the window. I said, yeah, I heard. It sounded like it was right on my roof.

1:33:19 It was so loud. Our neighbor Tom looked down and said there was no lights on it. I could see it. He said, I can make the outline because of the moon. But he said there was no lights on it, and it was so loud, Jeremiah, it sounded like it was right on top. The night after that, we heard it again, but it wasn't as loud last night. I haven't even told Toad this. I haven't talked to him. But it's starting to warm up a little bit. So I have my bathroom window open, just cracked about five six inches on the cat can get in there. I usually don't. It freaks me out that back part of the back door. Some it just makes it freaks me out. Although I do have my window open on the right side. I leave that, but that when the bathroom just freaks me out for some reason. But I lay in here, I hear a whistle. I swear to god, it was like and I jumped up immediately. I was just getting ready to go to sleep. I hadn't yet. I just put my cell phone down jumped up because I was like, Oh crap, something's happened to my mom. Run out there.

1:34:20 My mom and dad are bull sleep. Come back in here. And I was like, oh no. I ran to the bathroom and lowered the window without looking out of it and locked it. I was like, nope, if there's something around here, I am not engaging. I don't want anything here, but it's just been weird things going around like and I can't. I'm having some health issues, so I'm not sleeping in my bed right now. And when I I've got a recliner right by my bed and that's what I've been sleeping in. But when I lay in my bed, I it's almost I have it's a fear and I don't know what it is, but something doesn't want me. They lay in the bed, so I come over here.

1:35:01 The other day, I tried to get in my bed and twenty minutes later, I was like, nope, coming back to the chair. I don't know what. If it's just nerves or what, but there's something is going on around here. It's weird. But I won't go back to that place at all. And I almost I told Todd, I wonder if Kay transferred some kind of energy to me or something. And I don't know. I don't know what happened, but I had the worst night of my life when we went there and I and Jim has asked me, are you guys coming up this year? And I was like, no, no, I can't do it. I've got some health oh, and I heard one of your shows. I think it was your show about a detached Redna. Three months ago, I have a detached Redna and two horseshoes, so I have a horseshoeeir, I see a bright light in my eye.

1:35:48 Go to the eye doctor said it's in my right eye seeing a bright light. It hurt and he was like, no, right, Alex Cood. Months later, I go in there for my follow ups year whatever it is. He looks at my left eye and was like, can I dilate it? And I said no, I got to go back to work. I can't. He said, well, there's this test. It's your insurance won't pay for it, but I want to see there's something wrong with that eye and I said sure. Comes back and said it's emergency, but not right now, but we got to get you down to Colorado because you got a horseshoe tear. And I was like okay. A couple days later, go down to Greeley. The surgeon goes, I can't do it here. We're gonna have to send you to Longmont at a bigger facility because your eye detached.

1:36:29 You're redta detached. The next day I go down there and he was like, you got two horseshoe tears and I said, how is what happened? What am I doing? He said, trauma to your eye. I was like, there's no trauma in my eye and he said, well, the it could be because you're getting up in age. And I was like, two horseshoe tears and a detached retina. I was like, he can't give any other answers in it real, We don't know. It's rare. He said, it's very rare. And he tells me after they put this little nitrogen id bubble in my eye for the detached retina, you will have to have surgery in the next couple of months for cataract. Go to my eye doctor. I've been going to him for the last every two weeks and he was like, huh, where's your cataract? And I was like, what do you mean. He said, well, there should be a cataract. You should be having a cataract from that surgery. He said, ninety eight point two percent of the population has that within two three months. And I was like, Charlie Brown effect. I'm on the other side of the bell curve all the time. So knock on wood no cataract, but it's just one weird thing after another. And my health is kind of I'm having health issues now with my lungs and hearts. So I had to get this story out before you know, who knows, because you know, only God knows when we're going to go.

1:37:49 Like, I'm sorry to hear that you're you're having those health issues and I hope that's able to turn around. Man, Thank you. Wow. There's one more thing I want to say real quick. My friend Bob that was in you know, always fishing with me, had these things that happening up there by Christo and Granite kirk Yadi State Park and up in the Medicine Bow National Force of Snowy Ranger up at Lake Owen. He was a skeptic, you know, and he would always laugh. My mom would watch finding in Bigfoot and I was like younger, I was like, Bigfoot was definitely you know, cave man. Now there's it can't be it can't be anything but some kind of To me, it's got to be some kind of inter dimensional being, you know, a person. There's no way it's a cave man or a gorilla. No way.

1:38:39 There's just too many weird things with it. But he used to hunt up there by Lake Ow and as a crow flies probably five miles up by. It's up by Battle Mountain and the Knill Divide up in that area, and he would go up with about ten or twelve people. I'd go up. I wasn't a hunter, but I would go and eat the food and fish I love. I would take off and fish from you know, away from them, and he would meet me a lot of times at like going to rob Roy and fish. One time he he gets up at three point thirty in the morning, Jeremiah, and we'll walk for two hours, get into a tree stand and hunt all day. The rest of the group liked to roadkill, you know, road hunts, so he wasn't into that. But one time something happened, and his story was it something came in he doesn't know how, and then you know, this guy's a great hunter. Something snuck up on him, circled the tree around where he was at, took a big, stinky crap, and then left. He was shaken and he would tell me something and I was like, what is it? A squirrel? And my dad start laughing.

1:39:44 He goes no, and I was like a bear, No, I was like, how big is it? He goes, I don't know. He never wanted to tell me, and we made fun of him because he was just one of those friends you know that it was. You have somebody in the group that always something happens to them that's funny, and and I love this guy dearly. He passed away three years ago with COVID, but he had told it broke my heart. I'm probably gonna hope I don't cry on this, but he broke my heart. He told somebody that he thinks he had a sasquatch sighting or something similar to that. He wasn't sure what it was. It scared him so bad he wouldn't He gave up that tree, standing wouldn't walk back there anymore. He wrote Hunt with his nephew and brother in law and stuff, and hearing that, I just wanted just to plead everybody. You don't make fun of people, you know, and it's easy to mock people until you have that. But it broke my heart.

1:40:40 When I was at his funeral and knowing that he couldn't tell me stuff like that because we were laughing about it, I knew it was going to get me emotional. An issue, buddy. Thank you for sharing that that I know that was that was hard hard to share, Mike. It was amassing. I'm sorry, Jeremiah, You're killing. It gets me hearing about it, and I've heard it before from you and I never met the guy, and I'm like, I totally understand how how you feel about that?

1:41:28 Yeah, I wish I could talk to him now about it, but you know, it's just I, like I was telling Todd, I got to get this out in case something happened. Nobody would know about. You know, these things, and you got to You just gotta be careful. He could bring stuff home. I just had some weird stuff here and I haven't seen anything, and I haven't That whistle last night was just crazy. I was like, there's no way I'm gonna come on this show. It's like it, you know, it's it just like things happen, you know where some of your guests get blurred out. It's just like certain things. You know, it's just weird. You just can't explain. It's it's extremely weird. See, I didn't catch that the first thing you're saying. The whistle happened last night.

1:42:16 Last night, and it came from my bathroom window. It had to because I thought it was my mom. I ran because she's in the living room, you know, I'm in this recliner chair. And I got up and ran to her and they were both out and I came in and was like nope, nope, nope, went right to the bathroom, put my hand into the curtain. I was like, God, something, don't grab my hand. And I put that window down and I was like, nope, not going to respond, not going to do anything. But it's just it's weird. And you know what, I live in Ruer area of Cheyenne. There's there's no trees for this. I'm out here and there's nothing. I mean, you get to these houses, there's trees, but there's nothing around here. I mean you'd have to there's no way something can come, you know, from it's like forty five minutes away to get up into the tree area, to come down to the planes here and not be seen, you know, just like that thing at the casino and Oklahoma. And it's it's just weird. There's got to be more than they're just running to places.

1:43:20 Oh and in Jeremiah end on a funny note. So my little wish, you know, to if Bigfoot was real to throw a rock at Todd? Right, Todd, do you want to tell him what happened to you? Yeah? I was gonna add that. So I thought. Of something that I completely forgot about on our night hike. And this like. On our way out, somewhere between the whole starlink thing and the sounds or whatever, there was a helicopter flying it.

1:44:00 I you know, just kind of weird. You know, We're all like, oh, that's weird. We're going to have that the black helicopter thing going on now. Yeah, and then I I ruled that out sorto. But going back that Wednesday, you know, it was in the afternoon, and you know, from the spot if I figured we were at and looking at the trail map and the map of Colorado, that helicopter was heading towards Denver. So it could have been like a life light helicopter or something like that. But it was just a weird coincidence.

1:44:42 But it gets weirder because on that Wednesday, one of these the cargo helicopters, the double rotor helicopter, the military ones, was flying basically the same path. When I I was leaving on my hike, and I was like, that's really strange because there's not really a military base where it came from. Where's it going to? What did you know? What are they doing kind of thing? And I was like, it's just a weird coincidence. It's just a weird coincidence. But like, you know, you don't you don't generally get helicopters flying out in the mountains in Colorado, you know.

1:45:27 And I'm like, unless that's like a maybe it's a flight path kind of thing. But I totally forgot about that whole helicopter thing too, and to the weirdness of the night. And then you know, Mike's saying about the asking him to throw. Something at me, you know, and he didn't tell me that at the time. He tells me after the fact. But let me see, So last year, last last. May, for go go up with my family to Bailey. I had back surgery on May seventh, and this was on the nineteenth, so technically I had no business being out in the out in the mountains in the woods, but I felt really good and it was kind of a just we went to a the it's dispersed camping, but we were just going for the day, you know, having a having a fire, sitting around, you know, just having a kind of chill day with with the family.

1:46:34 So where we were at there, there's a giant boulder and you kind of pool around it. And. The other side of the road is the hillside that goes up and there's rocks. So I figured it was a good place for my kids to kind of explore and do whatever keep them occupied. And didn't have my oldest there, but my my middle child, my son, he's not really in the big Foot, and he told me he doesn't believe in Bigfoot. But we found a nice, nice branch and we were doing some tree knocks and he starts hitting this boulder and it makes it was like the best tree knock, like resident sound that I could hear. He was doing that a few times. There's nobody around us. We like there was like some firewood the next site down and we we we gathered that, so we had a little extra wood.

1:47:40 But you know, we did our thing. We we cooked, cooked dinner and stuff, and it was getting towards evening and then started cleaning up and I couldn't do that much, but I was just like kind of organizing things to be like, hey, you know, put this in the car next and you know do that, you know, kind of directing more than anything. Well, I like I would be like if I was I don't know which direction compass wise I was facing. But we had a little folding table and we have a we have a had a yukon. You know. It was maybe fifteen feet to my left. My son's like putting stuff in the back. My wife's behind me, and all of a sudden I catch out of my peripheral something flying from over the yukon and like kind of straight line, you know, like you would you would throw a baseball, You're not like throwing it up high blob in it.

1:48:48 It was thrown. It almost hit me in the calf, and it was thrown hard enough that I could fill the air like it was close and it was moving pretty good. Well I saw what it was. It was a pine combe, and the pine combes they are pretty big there. It was probably like the size of the poll in your hands, maybe like tennis ball size. And I saw it like hit the ground and you know, skip across the ground, and immediately I was like not cool, guys, you know, I just just had surgery, like like, I don't need to be hit with something. I don't need to be hit with something that hard, Like that would have hit me.

1:49:35 It would have hurt, and I'm sure I would have like jumped or like stumbled or whatever like it would have wouldn't have been a good situation. And they they denied it, and I didn't believe them for the longest time. But the longer I got I'm like, why would they do that to me? But they weren't in the right position for the fallow of the line where it came from. It came from across the road and up the hill, so you know, we all kind of just we're staring across the road, like what's over there? You know, where would it have come from? It definitely didn't fall Like my wife said, she's she saw it out of the corner of her eye too now and like, actually, well, stupid me. Well it was like I got to see if there's something up there. So I go with my son and we go up the hill and I'm like trying to like get out of him, like he did it, but he was like and I.

1:50:36 Didn't do it, you know, why would I do that? But you know, we went up and uh, you know, couldn't see anything or you know, nothing seemed out of place or you know, different from earlier because we went up there earlier. But off in the distance back the road where we came from, there is this like loud, angry something to yell and angry. And it was like, I don't know. What that is, but if that's what through the pine cone, excuse me, that's I don't want to see it. But and I kicked myself too because I'm like, I wish we would have stayed to see what it was. But I'm glad we didn't stay because maybe we didn't. You know, if it's throwing stuff, it wants us gone. And I kind of think that's what it was. You know, it was you it was getting later, and it wasn't getting it wasn't dark, but it was early evening and it was just.

1:51:38 It was just a weird thing. But then I tell Mike about this, like, you'll never believe what happened to me, and he's like, yeah, that our night hike. I asked him to throw a pine cone at you. And it's like, so where we were on the pine cone incident was south of Bailey towards Wellington Lake, which isn't that far from where we were on our night hike. I'm not sure straight straight line distance, you know, driving wise, it would take a while because it's round about how you get there. But you know, it was, ah, it's fairly close.

1:52:23 I was, you know, and it you know, basically whatever eight nine months from from our night hike. It they would have to go a mile a month, you know, it's not unreasonable. And there's there's a lot of a lot of stories of stuff that way too. And then so smart me, we go back like literally the next week, and that spot was taken. So we went to a went farther down the road and found another spot and nothing really happened there. I went for a little walk and I found a tree that was bent and that the tip was like in the dirt, so it was like.

1:53:12 Fully bent over. And then again it was a it was a it's a camping spot that we were just using during the day. But there was one of those like rubber yellow rubber balls that you get them at Walmart that did inflate that was like away from from the camping area that seemed like it didn't just like roll down the hill kind of thing, but it was like, oh, that's kind of weird, and we actually I gave it to my daughter to kind of keep her occupied, and we brought it home and I joked with her that we took maybe we took big Foot the ball and they're gonna want it back, and she did.

1:53:58 She said that we should probably of a pack. And then the next thing that I did was we went back to that same road further down went camp in last August with my son, and we went up on a Friday, and you know, we got set up and everything. I put out a recorder before he went to bed, and I woke up in the middle of the night like people yelling, and it really freaked me out. It sounded like three or four people moving from my well would be from my right to left if I was facing them, and I immediately thought it sounds.

1:54:47 Like like like Indians going on an attack or something like the way it was yelling, like the noise and it was moving like running through the woods and. It was weird. But I was like, I don't know how I just went I fell back asleep, but I was like super excited, like I'm gonna have that on recording and listen to that tomorrow get up. The next day, the recorder didn't work at all. The next day there we had our dog too that there were a whole bunch of turkeys in the morning and dog was chasing them around. And the evening they were like four deer that came across on the road and Dog let us know there was something there. But the deer wouldn't go away. Like we got up, we walked towards them. I was like kicking the dirt road. They just were like whatever. So I thought, I thought that was weird.

1:55:48 You know. We decided to call it a night at about ten o'clock. And the whole time there were there were people near us. You could hear voices, but you couldn't make out what they were saying. You just knew there were there were people. But I had set out my recorder, made sure it was on, and uh, you know, we went to bed. It wasn't here in anything like people around us. Weren't doing whoops or tree knocks or anything the whole time. But oh, I wake up at some point in the night and I hear we had have my dog bowls.

1:56:32 They're the stainless bowls I had one for water, one for food, but we didn't have we didn't have food or in them, in them or anything, but I'm sure the smell was still there. But I woke up with something messing with those bowls, Like it sounded like it was picking them up and setting them down, picking them up, setting them down, and. I'm thinking it's a bear and it could be a big foot. But I smacked the side of the tent, thinking it's gonna scare whatever off, and the sound got like more aggressive, like picking it up.

1:57:14 Setting it down. Well I do I do a hey, like out pretty loud, and hear it again, like do I really have to go out there? And I'm like, I'm not going out there because it's unzipped the door to the tent. Unzip the fly, you know, well, turn around, zip the door of the tent, unzipped the fly. You know, they keep the dog inside and everything. And I'm like, I'm not turning my back to whatever that is. You know, I wasn't hearing anything but the bulls, you know, I didn't hear anything run away or anything. But you know, again, I'm like, I don't know if I really want to go out and see that h but my dog didn't make a sound the whole time, and he like at home, he barks at everything, so I was like, like, there's no no, no early warning from him either. I fell asleep pretty quick after that, and it woke my my I woke my son up with my smack in the tent and my hay and he's like, do you hearing that.

1:58:28 I'm like, yeah, I'm hearing that. What do you think I'm making noise for? But got up the next day, you know, super excited to go out in the daytime see what it was. There were ratcoon prints, like dusty ratcoon prints on the table, like it was standing on his back legs putting its paws on the on there. So I assume that's what it was. But you know, get the recorder out, and I'm really bad with like listening to my recorder and like getting it done. So it's been kind of recent and. I thought it was like three o'clock.

1:59:08 In the morning that the Bowld thing was going on, and it was more like like midnight. So there's a whole bunch of the night time that I haven't listened to. But I've listened a little bit past the bowl thing, so there's knocks, like the tree knocks here and there, and you can kind of tell a little closer, a little further there, you know, a little little louder, you know, different differences in them. So it's not just like our neighbor decided to do that, you know, and they're doing it in one area. And then you can hear some like kind of like yells and like, uh, you know, it's people camping, who know, somebody had a little too much to drink. But at one point there's just what sounds it sounds is aurar. It sounds like an African lion.

2:00:05 And I had Mike listen to it at work the one time, and his brother listened to I've had a couple of people listen to it and they're like, yeah, that's what it sounds like. I'm like, if it was a bear, it was awfully close. And this roar happens just a few minutes before the dog bowls start making noise, And honestly, I've been kind of afraid to listen to the rest of it because I'm afraid that I'm going to hear the rest of it and hear raccoons outside the tent at some point, like they came later and we just didn't hear them. And the other thing was the people that we could see and hear mostly Sunday morning, they packed up and we were gone like super early before we got uh Like it was one of those like we got up for breakfast and I was like, oh, when did they leave? It didn't even really hear them, So I thought it was weird. Yeah, I I have my recorder and I'm like, I got to listen to it.

2:01:16 But again, I'm a little bit afraid of what might. Might be on there. If if I'm sure, I'm going to tell myself it was. It was just raccoons, And I was kind of chalking it up as there's a well, there's a bear outside or maybe a big foot. But it was, you know, it's just weird that it was. It was making making the noise like that, the way it was, you know, on the table, picking them up and sitting them down, you know. And it's one of those six foot plastic folding tables, so it's it's a good three feet to the surface, so where the bulls were, So it would have had to have been a pretty good raccoon, good sized raccoon to get up there, but I was just it was just just a weird, weird night. And again it's all all in the same area, so I mean literally like Finecombe thing with maybe a mile from the second place, and then maybe in maybe not even a mile where we went camping, so it's it's you know, walkable, so it's the same general area. And it seems like

2:02:51 a there's there's there's not many. There's not houses. There's maybe there's a few cabins here and there, but there's no it's more just just a forest road with some dispersed camping and a little further down the road there's some there's some trails that I know, the Colorado Trails kind of near there too, but again. It's not it's not a heavily used area. Too, gotcha. It is. It's interesting how the both of you are being affected in different having different types of things happen after that situation that we're both present for. It's it's very very very interesting.

2:03:45 Yeah. Sorry. One of the things I think is weird was the three people that saw the the blurry portal thing where the three people that her stuff later and we all had like we all have a we're standing in a different spot, and we all had our little different perspective on the portal thing, and we all heard a little bit different things at the same time. And it was you know, it wasn't. It wasn't one of those like, oh yeah, I see it. It was like, this is what I'm seeing and this is what I heard, and you know that. It wasn't just like somebody somebody is just agreeing to fit in or you know that kind of thing.

2:04:37 It was. It was, no, this is what I'm seeing and hearing and what I'm experiencing. Absolutely, it'd be interesting too to find out if B and K also had strange things happen after the night experience with you guys. But I guarantee it Kay did, Okay, gotcha? Yea yeah, Oh, Jeremiah. They have So me and Kay have some land out there in Montrose and they've got game camera set up. Two weird things on there they showed me and Todd. One was they call him the naked jogger, this old guy that has a fanny pack only his tennis shoes on go walking through their forest.

2:05:28 And the second there's a bobcat that's turning away from the the camera look at something and you see these two huge eyes. I don't think you could see the outline. They sent us me and Todd the picture, but Jim had actually blown that up into some kind of big poster thing and they went and measured it, and Todd, wasn't it like eight foot eight or something where those eyes were? He went back into that area and you and put himself where you can almost see the outline, not quite you could see definitely see the eyes and you can see the outline of the head a little bit.

2:06:08 It's like the eyes are reflecting the camera or they're glow and I can't I think I'm sure it's probably reflection off the light. But that bobcat is staring that thing down. The camera going off did not even phase it. Yeah, I was saying with that was I Well, they said about there's not I think this is what he said. There's not like a branch or anything for like an owl just to be sitting. There and the eyes are too far apart, And yeah, the. Eyes are far apart, but just looking at it, like, my my thought was, I bet if that was that the eyes are a bigfoot.

2:06:49 If that's what that is, it's. Maybe it new where it wasn't going to set off the camera, and that bobcat screwed that up, like it could be came from behind the camera, you know, like the camera the camera went off and got both of them, like just out of coincidence. But yeah, it is. I mean, it's super cool to see that. You see you see it from people you've never met kind. Of thing, and you're like, oh, you know whatever. But when you when you see you see it from somebody you've met, you've talked two since, and you're like, man, I think I really think that is something right, Right.

2:07:39 They were supposed to come on with us, they were all for it, and then they we just haven't heard back from him and probably a month or so. We've kept in contact. Okay, well, who knows, maybe they'll maybe they'll. Hear this, you never know, reach out. Yeah, there you go. But guys, what what an incredible account. I'm so glad that we were connect did. It's just it's an incredible story of a lot of different things happening. When you look at the whole story. I hope that you know, my things get better with your health. I'll be praying for you regarding that, and Todd I hope things don't get too weird. Hopefully that that things throughout.

2:08:25 The pine cone thrown at you is the weirdest thing that happens. But now, please please keep in touch with me. If things continue to happen for you, guys, I'd be interested to know about it. We sure will. Jeremiah, thank you, We appreciate it. Yeah, sure thing, thank you, absolutely well. Well, thank you for coming on the show today. Guys. It's been a pleasure. It's been our pleasure talk to do. We appreciate it. All right, awesome, I'm gonna go ahead and end recording.

2:09:07 Hello. My name is Bill Milwalk. I was writing a message I did not get to finish. It was about an encounter I had on my seventeenth birthday. I'm now sixty six years old. This encounter has stayed with me my entire life. Has changed my entire life, and it's something now I pray nobody else ever has to go through.

2:09:52 By that being said, these creatures are extremely intelligent. They can be kind, and they can also while your brain's recal recalibrating trying to figure out what you're looking at, scare you to death. As I said, it happened on my seventeenth birthday. I'm now sixty six. I still have nightmares, sleep disorders PTSD. I've been I don't know how many doctors.

2:10:50 I have one under hypnosis three different times. There's something and so I think a lot of times these creatures really get a bad rap. And I just like people to know that they're very intelligent. They can and they will help you. One they can. If it wouldn't have been for what the one did that day for me, I would not be here today, pure and simple.

2:11:40 I owe it. My life. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know if you'd like to reach out to me, my phone numbers and call any time. UH sleep no more than one or two hours of a time, so usually I'm easy to get a hold of. Thanks for listening. If you'd like to share a voicemail to be potentially featured on the show as well, head over to Bigfoot Society podcast dot com and hit the Share your Encounter button.

2:12:22 Just wanted to take a minute to say thank you for listening to the episode of the Bigfoot Society Podcast. Mike and Todd's story is one of the most unsettling we've ever heard, not just because of the strange lights or the firefly swarm, but because of what it felt like when reality seemed to slip. It's a huge thanks to both of them for coming on and sharing what happened out in that canyon. If you enjoy this conversation, please subscribe to the channel on youtubeor wherever you're listening and hit the bell icon so you don't miss any new episodes, and share this one with a friend who's into Bigfoot, Colorado mysteries, or anything downright eerie. If you're listening to us on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, please be sure to follow the show there if you'd be willing to leave a review. It really helps others discover the podcast.

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