July 19, 2025

She Screamed, ‘It’s Evil’ — And Then the Forest Changed | Colorado

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Season 1

What happens when two outdoorsmen follow a tip from a mysterious woman at a Bigfoot museum — and stumble into what may be a portal deep in the forests of Colorado? In this gripping and bizarre episode, Mike and Todd recount their escalating encounters with strange smells, distorted visuals, vanishing orbs, and something climbing a pine tree that wasn’t quite real… or solid. From finding a giant barefoot track next to shredded underwear, to watching glowing eyes blink out on a silent trail, and even a surreal piano deep in the woods — this story has it all. You’ll hear about hotspots around Bailey, Leadville, and the Snowy Range, and a chilling warning they received: “If the forest goes quiet, and you hear a hum — back away.” Whether it’s a Sasquatch, a spiritual force, or something much stranger... this is one encounter they’ll never forget.

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You're listening in Big for Society, and I'm Jeremia and Byron.

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Tonight's account comes from two men who followed a strange

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tip from a woman at the Sasquatch Outpost in Bailey, Colorado.

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Where they ended up and what they ended up seeing

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is incredibly intense. This is the story of Mike and

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Todd in the night the forest opened up to stay

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with us. All right, Big for Society, Welcome to the

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show today. We've got two individuals that we'll be talking

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to today. We've got Mike and Todd. These two gentlemen

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have had some interesting encounters over the years. They've been

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involved with an expedition with mister Jim Myers from the

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Sasquatch Outpost. So we've got some really interesting things to

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talk about today. So Mike and Todd, how are you

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guys doing today?

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Doing good? Jeremiah, thank you for being on the show.

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It's an honor. I'm Mike from Wyoming. I live in Wyoming.

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Yeah, doing good as well. My name's Todd and I

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live in northern Colorado. Thank you as well, and been

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listening to your show, working my way up to get

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current and enjoying each and every one.

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What was it that introduced you guys to the world

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at a Bigfoot?

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I always look back at when I was a kid,

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I had this remember getting these books from I don't

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even know what it was. I think it was a

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wool Warst store back then or something like that. But

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they were these books that had like one page kind

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of blurbs on different things I remember, like Locknest Monster

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and the Pyramids and different different random things. But one

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of the things I remember was reading about about Bigfoot.

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And I got a few books.

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My parents sign me up for a book club kind

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of thing where they mailed your books every month or whatever,

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and there were a couple, I know, almost Bigfoot and

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one was about a yetty and I actually kept those

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until actually moved to Colorado here and I gave them

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my kids to read, and they weren't so interested in

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reading them because they were old booked, but I remember

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reading them that they're digging them out of the box.

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So that's kind of my my thing when I just

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remember back when I was a kid.

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Jeremiah, when I was a kid, I was in the

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dinosaurs and I followed the Lockness Monster on any show

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I could, and then one day I came across in

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Search of with Leonard Nimoy and he did Patty the

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Patterson Gimlin film, and I was like, if dinosaurs exist,

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then Bigfoot must be a cave man. And that got

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me into it.

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All right, so extremely interesting, pretty I mean similar to

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two stories such as myself as well, you know, introduced

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to those shows and those and those book books. But

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what was it, guys that made you cross the line

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from you know, watching shows and books to actually, you know,

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maybe going out and having an encounter. Is it something

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that just happened organically one day?

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I kind of got reintroduced to it or more interested

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in it with finding Bigfoot and seeing that they came

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to Colorado and that was a thing. And I never

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really considered it at that point and living and call

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it like I'm in the hiking and camping and fishing

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and stuff. But I took a job in Leadville, A

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working at the hospital up there, and that was in.

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Like twenty twelve through two fourteen, and.

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Just being into the finding Bigfoot thing, and I ended

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up having conversations with one of the maintenance guys up there,

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and I kind of had my my first experience up

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there that made me really think like this is possible,

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and this is you know, this is a thing maybe,

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and you know kinda kind of started me on that

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that path of like wanting to go out, wanting to

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learn more and and and seeing what's all out there

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that if if they're not just in Washington or California,

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they're you know, they're here too, And then finding out

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I'm also from Pennsylvania originally finding out there from there

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as well, and you know, looking back of like did

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I have any anything going on that like I couldn't explain.

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I couldn't really think anything, but you know, just having

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that possibility that that could have been, you know, something

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maybe who knows, but you know, nothing really stuck out then.

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But my.

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First real experience was in Leadville.

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Mine was I was watching Finding Bigfoot to an Expedition

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Bigfoot and listening to your podcasts and then West Germer's podcast,

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and I started putting the pieces of the puzzle together

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that these things that happened in the past that I

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couldn't explain was possibly Bigfoot related, and that got me

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on the path and I met Todd and then we

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started hiking in doing some research in Colorado, and that

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led up to the Bailey incident. But I do have

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some stuff as when I was younger. I'm a big

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outdoors when I love to fish, hike. My friends were

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in a honey so many years ago. We would there

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was a group of five of us, Me and my

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brother and then there was Bob Perry and Troy and

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we would all go camp and fishing every weekend we could.

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We used to go up to Kurk County State Park

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Crystal and then we went up in the Medicine Bow

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the Snowy Range area to Lake Owen and we had

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when we were younger. We stayed in the tent and

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we would play It's a crazy game, but we used

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to king in the tent. We would put draw straws.

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Whoever had the shortest would get in the middle, but

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four guys on each end of the tent, but all

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the sleeping bags were things would hurt us and we

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would just beat each other up, you know, wrestle whatever

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we could to get somebody to forfeit and get out

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of that tent. And we were king of the tent.

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It was kind of crazy game. But one incident, my

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brother got pushed into the edge of the tent. Something

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grabbed his hair and held him. He screamed, he couldn't move.

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We were trying to pull him and he was stuck

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through the nylon tent. Something just we had longer hair

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back there in the eighties, and something had his hair good.

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My friend at the time, we didn't know he was loaded,

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had a gun, ran around the side with it. There

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was nothing out there, We couldn't find anything, and he

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said raccoon, which made sense. You know, the raccoon has

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little hands. About an hour later, one of our fishing pots.

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You could hear it dragging off into the rocks and trees.

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You could hear it clang in the hallway. Bob went

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running out after it again with spotlight in his gun

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and said, the raccoon had taken his fish. That skillet

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was heavy. It was heavy cast ironback in the days.

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They don't make him like that anymore. And it just

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didn't you know. At that time, when he said raccoon,

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I was like, yeah, that was the easiest thing to

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think it was, But it didn't make sense. How could

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it carry that? Those cast iron hands were heavy. And

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years later up there there were as many times where

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they have I guess you'd call it a gondala where

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I take my dad and a picnic table there we

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could fish from where the crit goes into the lake.

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Many times walk and there's bushes to the right, there's

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the crick to the left. As I'm walking towards the lake,

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it just felt I felt uneasy, like I'm being watched,

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but I couldn't see anything. And one time it was

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so bad the wind was blown and everything, and I

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walked by the bushes and it was like I ran

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into a brick wall. The wind stopped, all the sound

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was stopped. I stopped there, carrying some sodas to go

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back to my dad and lunch. And I don't know

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what compelled me to do it, but I sat there

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and stared and I said, I know you're there. There

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was nothing. There was nothing earn It's just like I

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wanted some kind of reaction. I didn't know what it

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was at the time, but I knew it felt like

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I was being watched. And then years later we would

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go to kirk Galty State Park that I hope somebody

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comes forward on this. And between Christo and Granite Reservoir,

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we used to fish down in the creek and one

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of the weirdest. Me and my friend Bob would throw

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rocks at each other. Bob had some plumbers crack going on,

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so I would throw a little teeny rocks to try

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to see if I could get it into his back in,

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you know, like a little hoop. Well, we started getting

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hit with rocks that I'd be like, Bob, stop throwing rocks.

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Those are bigger, and he was. He swore he didn't

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do it. Later that summer, me and him and another

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friend of mine, Scott, were fishing. It was foggy, went

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to this ledge. It has a six foot ledge above us.

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There was a little waterfall and we could see the

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fish in there the night before. So we were going

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to get there. What we spooked him? We were going

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to get there early in the morning. A fog was

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heavy and we're sitting there, me and Scott. Bob is

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just up the way and rocks are being like if

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somebody's to the top of that kicked off onto us.

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And I thought for sure, you know that, I told Scott,

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Bobby's messing around with us and some rocks were going

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in the water. Is pissing me off because I thought

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it might scare the fish. But it turned out that

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Scott started throwing some rocks back and I was like, oh,

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let him go, let him have his fun. Scott picked

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up some bigger rocks. You couldn't hear anything getting hit.

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But on the third time, oh, probably a little bigger

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than a fifty cent rock. He threw it back and

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you could hear the thud and made contact with something

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solid up there, and I was like, oh my gosh,

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you hit him. And at that moment we heard a

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sound that almost was like aeio wu together, but it

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was a deep grunt, like I can't even do it.

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It was like I looked at Scott, Scott looked at me.

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I panicked. The first thing I was thinking is push

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got towards that wall so I could get across the

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other side. Mountain lion came into my mind. That's the

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only logical thing I could think of at that time.

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Scott was just quivering. We couldn't hear this, we couldn't

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hear it moving. It didn't make another sound. Stop the

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rocks mark Another one of our friends to the far end, Bobby,

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had caught a fish and we'd heard it and I screamed, Bob,

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we're catching fish left and right over here. I could

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barely get the voice out of my mouth. I was

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so scared. Scott was sitting there trembling, and when Bob

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came over, he said, oh, you guys are catching a lot.

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I said, there's something up there, and of course he

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was back and he walked up. I walked behind him. Nothing.

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I don't Jeremiah, this this canyon is steep. There is

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no way when we were going down that I'd have

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to lean to the edge. You take a step and

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you're almost going three four feet down on granite, the

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little rocks, because it's just so steep. There's no way

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anybody could run up that, no way anybody could be

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anywhere around there that we couldn't see him and there

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was nothing up there. But again I played that off

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his mountain lion. But there's several times we were down there,

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just me and Bob by Aursel fishing and I'd be like,

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do you fill that and he said, yeah, there's some

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yoyo's up there watching us fishing. If you get a fish,

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let the drag go out. Don't let him know, because

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that was a good hunting spot down there for fishing.

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Several times like that that we just felt like we

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are being watched is not the right word. It was

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so strong. It was like we are being observed. I

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felt like we were little ants in an ant farm

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that somebody on the outside was watching, and we were

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the ones being watched. I never seen anything. That was

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the only time I ever heard anything, never smelt anything there,

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But yeah, that had And then probably a month after that,

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a gentleman had been fishing very close to where we were.

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And this was a secondhand story, but I got to

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talk to this guy. He left there because well, his wife,

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he had him and his wife, and he had a

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Bookswagon Beetle back in the days. His wife started screaming.

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His wife and kids were up there towards the kreek.

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He was more towards the lake. Come running around the

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corner and he described, he said, looking over the rock

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was Bigfoot, and back in the eighties. Of course, everybody

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was laughing at him. And my brother told him and said,

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my brother's into that. Would you talk to him? And

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when I went up to talk, he was really reluctant

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to say anything, you know, because everybody was laughing at him.

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But he took off. He left his kids and wife

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there and took off back to town and then had

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some of his friends come back to get his wife.

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I was like, oh my gosh, it was about right

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where the spot that happened. And we again we blew

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it off as maybe hysteria because I wanted to be real.

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But it never scared us from going back to that fishionary.

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But my brother, with that incident with the tent, he

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never went camping again and scared him too bad. So

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that kind of leads us up to Bailey. I was

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working with Todd and we decided to do some some

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research I guess you would call it. We just went

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looking at hiking to see if we could find anything

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into a Sasquatch out post. Ran into a lady there.

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I don't know if we could use her name, so

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I won't, but as soon as we walked in, we

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were asking where the good places to go around Bailey

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for any kind of bigfoot footprints or evidence. And she

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looked at me and Todd and said she could read

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our auras that we had purple ares around us, and

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she goes, I'm going to give you my secret honey

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hole where to go. So me and Todd went there,

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and I'll have Toad jump in too, We walked up

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in this area. It was steep and they had cameras,

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which was real weird. They had cameras on the picnic,

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like the vestibules out there. We walk up and I

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found a little footprint that looked like a little human footprint.

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Showed Jim up there, and he didn't think it was anything,

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but I was like, who would have their kids up?

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We were off off the terrain and it just seemed

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real rough to have kids. It was probably about four

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or five inches long, maybe two or three inches across,

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but Jim didn't think it was much. And then we

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found a bigger footprint we took a picture of and

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we ended up finding somebody. I'll let Todd go into

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the piano, but we found somebody's There was somebody's underwear

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that was all ripped up on the bush as we

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were walking up. We thought that was really weird. But

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just a lot of weird things up there, and you know,

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and then some tree breaks. Me and Todd ran in

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some tree breaks and a lot of people are like, well,

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if they're in the forest, how come we don't see them?

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And me and Todd was in a section that I

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was looking at. I think a tree or a stick figure,

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and Tod screamed at me and I went to turn

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around real quick, and I thought, oh, crap, mountain lion.

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There was a deer not ten feet away from Todd,

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a buck that just sat there and looked at us.

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And I was like, how did we not see that?

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As we got so close to it didn't move until

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we were talking back and forth, and it went off

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about twenty feet from us, and there's a dope. I

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was like, how did we not see these things? You know,

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it's they're right there in front of us because we

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were looking for other stuff. But I'll let Todd go on.

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And there was a piano we found in the forest

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that I I that was strange.

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Yeah, So the the lady it's pass watch outposts, directed

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us to go there, and she told us about this

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piano in the woods, kind of showed us on the

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map on her phone generally where it's located. It's it's

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not an official trail, but if you follow it, there's

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a trail. But we went up and yeah, we saw

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the saw the little footprint. There's another another one. It

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was more of a game trail that we kind of followed,

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and yeah, it was like, you know, it was like

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a little kid print like maybe like a five year

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old size, and it was kind of in the the dry,

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dusty part of the dirt that you know, it kind

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of stood out. And then the kind of notice looking

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out that there's a little bit of a hill and

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you could see that it was the boundary of the

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park that we were at, that there were cabins. It

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was almost like it was they were using that if

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it was you know, if it was a big photo

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or even just people like you could over see the

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cabins without really being seen, like it was in the

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trees a little like after kind of thinking about where

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it was and then you know, where we were where

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the deer where there was a lot of a lot

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of tree bends and what could be structures in that area,

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and yeah, the deer being that close like and it

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was like it kind of jumped up behind me and

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like I was, I was ready to go, you know,

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I was it was you knew it was something bigger

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and it was close and I didn't see it, so

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what the heck could it be? But it was kind

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of weird that we weren't really we weren't trying to

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be quiet in any way. You know, we were talking

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back and forth, and you know, you would think something

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like a deer would just kind of get out of

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there on its own, not let us get that close.

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But yeah, and then we went. Then we got to

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the piano. The piano itself is kind of weird because

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it's this old wooden piano in the middle of the

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woods and there's some landscaping don't really know, like the

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flagstone landscaping and places to sit, but there's no like

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there's no plaque or anything. It's like it's a memorial maybe,

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but like who put it there and what the reason

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for and all that is don't know. And I've seen

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people post like Colorado photography on Facebook where they found

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the piano, and I've asked the question of like does

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anybody know the purpose and nobody responds, And have went

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back and there were people there on horseback and they

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thought it was weird.

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And again, no no.

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Idea what it was for. But this kind of weird

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to be out there where it's at. And then you know,

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we went testa where the piano was, and that's where Yeah,

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there was a pair of like tidy whitey underwear hanging

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in a bush that were shredded. So we were saying

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somebody had a bad time one way or another that

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they one left or underwear and you know that they

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just disappeared. There's it's just and it's a park. It's

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this hiking day use kind of thing. It's not camping,

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so people shouldn't be out. You know that that was

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somebody camping there or whatever to leave them. But there

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was a there was a big footprint near that that

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kind of noticed, Like the the moss was like kicked

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up like in front of it and what looked like

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toes to me what I caught, And you know, it

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was like, well, maybe somebody's bad time was they ran.

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Into that big foot.

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But you know, it was just, you know, it was

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just a weird thing. I went back up these the

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next that was in September, I was it twenty twenty one,

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and we went back up. I went back up with

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my family the next year, you know, and things actually

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seemed different, you know, going on the same trails, went

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to the went to the piano and went past it

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and it was like it's the same, but it's different

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to me.

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I don't know, like I didn't notice all.

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The the tree bends and stuff like that. But you know,

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it's just it's just a weird, you know kind of area.

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There's been some weird stuff that's went on. There was

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a incident where there is a body found up there

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and it was on it was on the news, it

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was following what was going on, and like they posted

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a story and I can't remember the exact wording, but

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it was like, well, they shut the park down completely

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that people couldn't go in while they did this search.

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But the guy was reported missing and they found them

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and it sounded like it was an animal attack related

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kind of thing.

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But there was no follow up and then the story

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just disappeared. Of like.

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You know, you go to the same same web page

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and you can go back and find the story. I'm like,

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I can't even find this old story to be like

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you know who you know, who to follow up with

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or anything that maybe contact to this out of curiosity.

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But you know, it was just a weird thing, and

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it was you know, it's a place place that you

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go that you kind of want to know, like, hey there,

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I mean, there's mountain lions and bears pretty much everywhere

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in the mountains in Colorado, but like is that a

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is there a problem bear or a mountain lion kind

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of thing? But yeah, I haven't been able to find

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anything more on that. And I even asked Jim myers

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On about it.

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He does. He's mentioned how he.

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He he gets called out with the corner and stuff

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if there's traffic accidents and stuff, and he said he

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wasn't aware of anything with that himself. So and it's

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one of his one of the areas that I would

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imagine he would be going if people that he works

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with goes there too.

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So I'd want to clarify a few things just to

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make sure I have it all together in my head,

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because in that account, there's a lot you guys through

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out there. So it's it's an area where you like

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into it. There's a stand up like old school piano.

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You found a large footprint with toes that was near

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a Is it a pair of underwear that had been

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ripped in some way? Is that all correct?

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It sounds straight, but that's correct.

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Yeah, they were like trader just hanging out on a bush.

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Guys. That's a missing four on one stuff right there.

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Like I've ever heard it. My goodness, I.

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Was gonna, you know, and I don't know why I

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didn't take a picture of that underwear because I told Todd,

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I was like, this looks bad. It was. It looked

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like it was I don't know how to explain it, Todd.

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It looked like it was. It looked like it was

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ripped off with someone and put on a bush. I

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was like, oh, dear god, what is this?

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Yeah, oh boy, how what was the length of the footprint?

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Would you be able to did you able to get

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feel for that? And anyway?

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It was big?

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It was, yeah, bigger than mine.

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Yeah.

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We bought Todd's shoe decks to it.

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Yeah, we're eleven and a half. Oh wow, Like you know,

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I'm not, you know, not like I have huge feet,

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but you know, it was noticeably longer and wider than mine.

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The with had to be the withth looked like it

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was six inches. It was so white. It was crazy white. Gotcha.

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And just just the one footprint then.

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Just the one. It was at a soft spot right

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there because the rest is kind of rocks and some brush.

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So if he stepped again and we looked all over

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for a set of them, but there's bushes, you know,

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there's a little brush that maybe twelve thirty thirteen inches tall.

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It's it's we tried, We tried to find another one.

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It's probably the only episode I'll ever be asking these questions, hopefully.

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So where was this a larger pair of underwear?

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It was large?

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It was an adult Well, either way, it's not a

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good not a good thing. But was there any anything

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that I guess you've torn off of it, but any

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anything that made it look like it was bloody in

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any way or just you know, a normal pair.

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No, I don't think we've seen any blood on it.

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It just looked like normal pair that had been shredded, ripped.

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Yeah.

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They just looked like dirty, like weather kind of Yeah,

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they had been there a.

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While, gotcha? Gotcha? So, like has the dirt of the

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forest on it?

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Yes, Okay, it almost looked like it was placed in

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that bush. There's no way to win because it was

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on the backside of the bush. That would have been

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that wind would have came from the northwest. It was

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opposite of that, so there's no way that the wind

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just pushed it over on that side of the bush.

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It looked like somebody placed it there.

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It sounds like, well, roughly how long does it take

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you to get to this area where this is in

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the woods, oh, like from the parking lot.

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Yeah, yeah, not too long.

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Maybe, Like, yeah, we actually went farther back than we

465
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thought because we came back behind some guy's cabin. We

466
00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:44.119
somehow got way off track from where we were and

467
00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:46.559
we came up to some guy's cabin and I told thought, oh,

468
00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:49.279
we need to swing more to the north because we

469
00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:50.920
don't want to come up this guy's backyard.

470
00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:55.480
Todd, had you said around like twenty minutes something like that?

471
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:59.400
Yeah, maybe maybe somebody if you were going to walk

472
00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:03.240
straight you know, like just go straight back to that.

473
00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:06.119
You know, it wasn't that far. But you know, we

474
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:10.079
were checking this out here and going over here. You know,

475
00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:13.279
we were following this straight back the trail. You know,

476
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:16.359
we just kind of kind of just wandered into that.

477
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:19.319
And that's weird.

478
00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:21.440
That's that's one of the weirder things I've heard on

479
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:22.519
this show, to be honest.

480
00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:25.640
And that's where you know, And I told Todd. I

481
00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:27.599
called him the day after and said, did you see

482
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:31.319
when we were up at that? Uh? I don't even

483
00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:33.559
mind giving the place away, do you, Todd? Oh? No, no,

484
00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:35.559
you know, because a lady told us that's your favorite

485
00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:37.359
big quick place, but oh, yeah, I don't go to it.

486
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:40.759
I said, yeah, I said, I told Todd, I said,

487
00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:42.640
did you see there's a missing guy up there now?

488
00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:44.319
And they closed the park down because we were going

489
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:46.920
to go up that weekend, and Todd checked into it

490
00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:49.000
a lot more. I was like, what is going on?

491
00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:51.279
And that Todd's right. It was on the news and

492
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:56.480
then just disappeared. It's I don't know, I hate to

493
00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:58.160
say cover up, but it just disappeared.

494
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:02.720
Okay, So that's right. So there was a body found

495
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:05.079
in the same area or in the same park. You're saying,

496
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:06.079
oh yeah.

497
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:07.799
It was for those it wasn't.

498
00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:13.200
It wasn't right after it was like, I want to say,

499
00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:14.640
like a year and a half later.

500
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:17.039
Oh yeah, yeah, it was next year, but I mean

501
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.599
it was in that place. Yeah.

502
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:25.559
Gosha, man, that's that's very very weird. It makes me wonder, like,

503
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:30.119
why what else this this individual has had happen in

504
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:34.200
this area if like this is her special spot, you know.

505
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:37.039
Oh she told us me and Todd she's seeing three

506
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:41.039
juveniles there. And this is crazy because this is going

507
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:44.720
to lead into our big encounter with Jim but she

508
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:47.079
told me, and Todd said, you guys got to promise

509
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:49.480
and do me a favor. And I said, what she said,

510
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:52.680
If you walk and everything goes quiet and you hear

511
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:57.599
a humming or a buzzing, she said, please backtrack, go backwards,

512
00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:01.640
do not go forwards. And she was talking about portals

513
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:04.240
up there, and you know, at that time, Jeremiah was like,

514
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:09.079
this is a bunch of monarchy. But yeah, she made

515
00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:10.960
it clear to me and Todd. If you hear some

516
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:16.200
buzzing or humming, she said, and in the forest ghost quiet,

517
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:17.720
she said, back up.

518
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:23.000
So this is interesting. I don't know if you guys

519
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:28.400
follow the Untold Radio Network and Chris Ryan Hart and

520
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:34.000
all those guys Doug's channel, but they've they've been getting

521
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:39.200
data from all over the US where there's this this

522
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:43.480
hum that's being captured, this buzzing. It's forty hurts and

523
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:47.640
I just interviewed Chris and it can be replicated using

524
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:54.200
a tuning fork and allegedly when you play it like

525
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:57.759
it will, it'll pretty much bring the weird stuff in.

526
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:01.799
So that's really really interesting that you just mentioned that

527
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:06.359
that is that similar thing is heard in the same area.

528
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:10.839
Todd, no, turning forks. Do not bring those us. We

529
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:14.279
have enough. We have enough weird stuff. Jeremiah was thinking

530
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:16.960
of it. No, I'm not going with you if you

531
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:17.359
do that.

532
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:21.400
Oh yeah, and I did. And I'll say in this

533
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:25.279
one too, that's for entertainment purposes only. You can be

534
00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:27.039
careful messing around with stuff.

535
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:31.079
Yeah you don't. Yeah, be careful messing. And the gentleman

536
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:33.920
that was on your show that ran into that nine

537
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:35.799
foot big foot right out of side of Bailey, we

538
00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:39.400
met him up in Estes. You got to talk to him. Yeah,

539
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:41.720
we got to talk to him about an ESTs.

540
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:47.000
So when you were in this piano area, did it

541
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:51.720
did you You didn't hear any of the humming or

542
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:53.519
it didn't get super quiet, nothing like that.

543
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:57.440
Okay, Okay, Now I was joked around because the piano

544
00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:01.960
still mostly plays, and I was like, like you wonder

545
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:05.480
if you play the right or the wrong tune, right

546
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:07.079
kind of thing that does it?

547
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:09.240
Does it bring something? Or you know?

548
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:11.319
Or like it was like how creepy is it? Like

549
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:15.640
if you're out hiking and you hear a piano, you know,

550
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:19.880
like that's just something hitting just keys, not even playing

551
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:24.039
any Yeah, you know you're like that would be so weird,

552
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:29.359
and uh yeah, it's like it's.

553
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:32.119
Do you remember what that inscription said that was on

554
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:35.680
that rock on that piano? It was weird.

555
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:40.559
It said something like like you were meant to be

556
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:45.359
here right now something like that.

557
00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:46.720
It was weird.

558
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:49.920
It was painted and it was just fitting there and

559
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:55.079
it was like, no, that's kind of weird. And yeah,

560
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:57.839
I remember when we went back that that rock wasn't there,

561
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:01.079
so somebody probably took it with them when they found it.

562
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:07.279
But it's like, yeah, like what what am I meant

563
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:09.960
to be here for? You know, when you really if

564
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:11.319
you sit down and think of it.

565
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:13.200
Yeah, that's weird.

566
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:18.039
Guys, what did did you go back to the outpost

567
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:22.519
and share with that lady? Like, okay, here's what we found?

568
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:26.920
It was we did and she told us was like

569
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:29.759
I have seen because we were okay, we were getting

570
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:32.039
close to we're getting real close to the trip now.

571
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:36.119
She was one that suggested we do the trip and

572
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:38.680
she'd said she'd seen three juveniles and I was like,

573
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:40.920
how often do you see him? And she goes, when

574
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:42.519
I go out there, they come around, and I was like,

575
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:46.519
I told Todd, we need to go with her. She

576
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:49.039
seemed to know a lot. And I don't know what

577
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:53.680
you call her, Tod, What is she a medium? She

578
00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:56.799
she could ring auras and and she knew a lot,

579
00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:01.119
you know. I I look for her every time we

580
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:04.319
go up there to ask her just questions in general

581
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:06.640
because of the crazy thing that happened up there. But

582
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:11.920
she knew without getting say okay, so I'm going to

583
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:14.319
jump to the end real quick, just so this little tidbit,

584
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:16.519
and then we'll start at the beginning. But me and

585
00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:20.240
Todd was having breakfast and I was like, I got

586
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:22.039
to go talk to Jim. You know, that was just

587
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:24.440
a weird night. So I went in to see him

588
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:28.319
and the other two people. I don't think they would

589
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:31.079
mind us giving their name. They were in there at

590
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:35.079
the same time, and they were talking to Jim's wife

591
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.920
about what had happened because he had left early. He

592
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:41.400
was out with his friend doing some research real early

593
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:43.599
in the morning. They were over talking to his wife

594
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:46.480
and we walked up to this lady and she goes,

595
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:49.759
something happened last night, didn't it. And I was like well,

596
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.000
And she goes, were you two with those two over there?

597
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.480
And I was like yeah, and she goes, oh, dear, Lord,

598
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:58.000
she knew that this kind of jumping ahead, but she

599
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:01.480
knew that this girl, I don't even know how to

600
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:04.960
describe her, Jeremiah, but she has She said she's had

601
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:09.679
dog men's nightings. She draws things, she could talk to go.

602
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:11.280
So I was like, I don't want any part of that.

603
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:14.559
But this lady, as soon as she's seen that, she

604
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:16.440
goes something happened. You've got to sit here and talk

605
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:20.320
to us. So that was after the trip, and it's

606
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:23.000
like she could read everything she knew. She said something happened,

607
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:25.519
and I said, yeah, something happened, and I don't think

608
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:28.360
it was bigfoot, but she was like, nope, nope, it

609
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:31.599
was totally bigfoot, and he was. She said, they pick

610
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:34.440
on a certain person and for your viewers in case

611
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:37.400
they run into a situation. She told me if I

612
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:41.119
and if I would have said out loud, you're scaring me, stop,

613
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:43.159
she said, they usually will stop. And I was like,

614
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:47.440
why didn't Jim tell us that before any of this happened.

615
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:51.559
But it's time to get into the crazy story. Now

616
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:55.079
you want to start it, well, okay, you know what,

617
00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:56.880
I'll start it because the things happened to me first

618
00:34:56.920 --> 00:34:59.519
and then right when we start getting into the canyon,

619
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:03.440
I'll over to Todd. So we show up and I

620
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.440
told Todd, I was like, I'm kind of I didn't

621
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:09.559
know Jim, you know, from Joe, but I knew he

622
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:14.400
had guided bigfoot tours and he had backpacking and camp

623
00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:18.480
and tours. And I told Todd, I'm skeptic. I think

624
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:20.639
he's going to sit out there and have some friends,

625
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:23.679
bang on some trees and houller back, and I would

626
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:25.719
be the one to jump of anybody. And so I

627
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:29.760
told Todd before going in, I said, I'm going to basically,

628
00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:33.119
for a better term, I doped myself up. So I

629
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:38.079
took beta blockers, some anti anxiety medicine, some quantity that

630
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:40.760
slows your heart rate. I said, you know, Godzilla could

631
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:42.599
have jumped in front of me and I wouldn't. It

632
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:45.519
should not have affected me. I should have been like whoa,

633
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:51.519
you know, because everything should have been really let's just say,

634
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:53.719
my flight or fight should not have kicked in. It

635
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:57.159
would have been impossible. But we get out. He goes

636
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:00.679
to the part of the I think we could again.

637
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:03.599
I don't know that's one of his spots. So we

638
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:05.719
show up at this park and he goes to one

639
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:07.519
side and he goes, I'm worried that we might get

640
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.800
trapped in here. Let's go around. Did you guys see

641
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:11.519
where the hours is? He said he knew the people

642
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:13.159
in the park, and I said, I didn't see it.

643
00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:15.119
So we ran over. He wanted to go to one

644
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:16.360
spot and he said, well, I'm going to take it

645
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:20.079
to a second spot. What I really was I told Todd,

646
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:22.199
I hope the people were real cool. We ran into

647
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.239
a gentleman about our age and his daughter, and I

648
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:27.519
was like, oh, thank god. You know, I thought we'd

649
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:29.719
run into some people we wouldn't like, but they were

650
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:33.719
really nice and we got along well. And we had

651
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:37.480
read the Bigfoot report and seen a movie I think

652
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:39.880
it was Tearing the Woods with two Ladies that was

653
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:42.559
on Kenosha Pass and Bigfoot had chased him down, and

654
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.800
it's on the BFROO website. There. She reported to that

655
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:48.519
and to the police, and so I was hoping we

656
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:50.760
were going to Kenosha Pass, but we ended up going

657
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.760
to another one of his spots. We get out. I

658
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:58.039
have so much things. I bought this infra red flare,

659
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:04.679
so many things. Jeremia on me. I was a real greenhorn.

660
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:09.360
I had everything. I was prepared. I thought, we step out,

661
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:11.199
and not even twenty feet from the car, Jim goes,

662
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:12.880
I want you guys to look at this. This is

663
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:15.440
a big foot break. And I went to look and

664
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:16.639
I was like, now, how do you know it's a

665
00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:19.360
big foot break, and he goes, it's been twisted and

666
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:21.719
looking at it it did. It looked like something that

667
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:24.480
you would put your hands on and twist, and the

668
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:28.000
object almost like a slinky. It was so crazy that

669
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:30.880
it was one of the few trees in the park,

670
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:32.880
right by that parking lot. And he goes, bigfoot did that.

671
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:39.000
We walked up, so it was Jim, it was this gentleman.

672
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.000
I don't think they would mind us saying their names,

673
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:43.719
but I'm just going to leave them out. So it

674
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:48.199
is Jim and a gentleman, his daughter, me and Todd.

675
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:50.239
I'm bringing up the rear. I'm trying to get all

676
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:54.320
my stuff situated. We're talking to her and she said, yeah,

677
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:56.760
we live close to Utah and she said, you know

678
00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:59.880
by where that we don't say its name and her

679
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:01.840
D said, what are you talking about? And she goes,

680
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:04.400
you know, we don't say its name. And I said,

681
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:06.440
what are you talking about? And she goes the TV

682
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:08.760
show and I was like, are you talking Skinwalker Ranch?

683
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:12.360
And she flipped out. She was like, we don't say that.

684
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:14.840
We don't bring that kind of mojo to us. It's

685
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:18.039
going to be bad luck. And she grabbed my arm.

686
00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:20.719
At that point, this is just a whole bunch of

687
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.320
circumstances going up there. She grabs my arm. She said,

688
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:25.440
we don't say that, we don't ever, that's going to

689
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:30.239
bring bad mojo our way. So somehow I trailed behind

690
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:33.800
him trying to get things. I feel the best way

691
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:37.760
to describe it, Jeremiah, is someone's pulling my shirt. I

692
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.320
turn around, there's no one there, walk a little bit,

693
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:42.239
pulls again. I was like, this has got to be

694
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:44.840
static cling. But I have a shirt on, I have

695
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:46.880
a sweatshirt because it's supposed to be cold that night.

696
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:49.960
I have a backpack on, but I could still fill

697
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:52.880
towards the lower part of my back. My shirt being

698
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:56.159
pulled freaked me out. So I walked up to Todd

699
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:59.000
and said, will you get behind me because I'm worried

700
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.840
about losing one of my I had so much equipment

701
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:04.440
on me, and he said sure. He did that and

702
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:07.840
it stopped and I was waiting for him to scream,

703
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:10.400
you know, someone's pulling my shirt, but he never did.

704
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:15.360
We go up a little farther. Now we're getting to

705
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:18.920
the canyon. I'll let Todd jump in and we'll kind

706
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:20.360
of go back and forth. But we're getting to the

707
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:24.239
canyon now, and it's getting darker, So.

708
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:28.679
Going back a little bit like what Mike said.

709
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:33.159
We went to the one area and Jim was afraid

710
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:35.039
we were gonna get they were going to lock the

711
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:38.320
gate on us. So we went back out and parked

712
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:43.199
another area and he showed us the tree break and

713
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.599
he kind of explained, you know, we asked him why

714
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.440
he says that's bigfoot, and he said, well, it's twisted.

715
00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:52.480
But then he said, how priests don't usually break in

716
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:56.039
the middle. They don't usually break six eight feet up.

717
00:39:56.440 --> 00:39:59.039
They break at the bottom. They break at the top,

718
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:03.960
you know, and they usually, yeah, don't do that from snowload,

719
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:08.559
and if they if it is snowload in Colorado or

720
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:12.559
when they usually blow over because the soil is shallow,

721
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:15.239
so the roots are shallow, and you see you see

722
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:18.039
that all the time here, so you know, it's kind

723
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:22.400
of a okay, so this is what we're what we

724
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:26.239
should maybe be looking for, you know, you know, add

725
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:29.599
that to the to the to the knowledge kind of thing.

726
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:34.119
You know, we got to the we kind of were

727
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:36.559
cutting We weren't on trail. We were kind of cutting

728
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:42.000
through to get to the trail. We and once we

729
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:46.440
got to the trail, Yeah, there's a creek that It's

730
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:49.239
a small creek. It's real shallow, maybe ankle deep at

731
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:53.480
the most, but it's not like I wouldn't say it's

732
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:59.840
a canyon like vertical wall canyon, but it's it's steep

733
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:03.559
on both sides. It's not something you're just gonna walk up.

734
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:06.920
It's it's gonna take some effort. So it kind of

735
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.320
when you get to that part, start feeling a little

736
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:16.239
closed in the The guy we were with, he's a hunter,

737
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:19.840
and he kind of said how he he wasn't necessarily

738
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:24.039
comfortable with that, knowing there's mountain lions and stuff, and

739
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:28.000
you know, you're giving them we're taking the low ground

740
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:31.119
and giving them the high ground. But Jim also explained

741
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:34.119
that that's kind of what we're trying to do for

742
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:38.559
the Bigfoot, to make them more comfortable to come and

743
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:42.639
see us. You know, we're being vulnerable, you know, and

744
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.639
it's like one of those like okay, cool, but I

745
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:46.480
don't know if I'm all.

746
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:50.880
Right with that. You know, it's like, you know this,

747
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:51.960
I don't know.

748
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:54.800
It just seems you know, it's getting dark, and you know,

749
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:58.079
you don't usually just go out on a hike somewhere

750
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:02.199
with you know, a couple strangers and you.

751
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:10.639
Know, hope, hope for the best. But we went and

752
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:13.039
I'm like, since it's been a while, I'm like, I'm

753
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:15.840
trying to we we came across the spot.

754
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:20.960
Oh, the guy.

755
00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:22.960
We were with and I was in the we were

756
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:24.559
in the front at that point. We kind of like

757
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:27.679
rotated and we were chatting and and stuff on the way,

758
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:28.599
getting to know each other.

759
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:30.639
Hey what do you know? What do you know?

760
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:33.119
And how do you feel about this? And that kind

761
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:38.760
of thing. But we hit this like smell and I

762
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:41.199
didn't know how to explain it at first, but it was,

763
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:44.159
I mean, it was one of it's it's exactly like

764
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:46.719
how other people say there was nothing and then all

765
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:48.960
of a sudden, there it's just a strong smell.

766
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:50.039
It smelled like.

767
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:56.079
The guy that we were said it smelled like like

768
00:42:56.199 --> 00:42:59.880
rotting salmon, and there was something else there too, But

769
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:02.800
I was like, yeah, that's it's like if you just

770
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:06.119
like left the a stamin that you caught the layd

771
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:08.880
out in the stunt all day, you know, it's it's

772
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:09.960
gonna smell pretty bad.

773
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:12.039
But it was just weird how like you could.

774
00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:16.360
Step into it, step out of it, and you know,

775
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:18.519
we were all like, yeah, we all smell the same thing.

776
00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:23.000
It's there's it's there, it's not there, you know, and

777
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:26.119
it's getting dark, and Jim kind of explained, well, maybe

778
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:30.559
it's a dead animal on the side hill and because

779
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:33.679
it's it's coming in the evening the cool airs coming downhill,

780
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:37.719
you know, and it's following following down that way, he

781
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:41.400
went off on the side, you know, trying to find whatever.

782
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:44.400
And we're like, dude, you're crazy, because if it's like

783
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:48.000
a mountain lion kill, you know, you probably don't want

784
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:50.599
to come upon that not knowing what's.

785
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:51.039
All up there.

786
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:55.400
But you know, it was really it was really weird

787
00:43:55.960 --> 00:44:00.559
at that point, and I actually went back up to

788
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:05.360
this area. This was what Saturday, Saturday night. I went

789
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:10.199
back up on Wednesday and kind of wanted to see

790
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:13.360
it during the day so I could justify some things.

791
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:17.960
To myself, and that smell was still there and it

792
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:21.440
wasn't any better or any worse. And I was doing

793
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:23.400
the same thing, step into it, step out of it,

794
00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:26.199
step into it, step out of it. And I actually

795
00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:29.239
like had a thing of chalk and I drew chalk

796
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:31.679
on the rock of like the borders, and it's like,

797
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:35.840
that is really weird. Now, Like you I would think

798
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:40.320
if it was was a dead animal, that it would

799
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:44.079
have in the summertime in August, it's gonna either get

800
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:47.199
worse or get better. Something's gonna drag it off, finish

801
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:51.880
eating it. Like the people that the rangers or whatever

802
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:55.280
in the park would have found that there have been hiking.

803
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:57.400
You know, there's plenty of hikers that go through there

804
00:44:57.920 --> 00:44:59.960
like something. But it's just weird that this smell was

805
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:02.800
just like in the middle of the trail, you know,

806
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:05.199
you got off on the sides. It really wasn't there,

807
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:11.800
but you know, it was kind of a I don't

808
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:14.920
know it was there was I don't know. I had

809
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:19.559
this like nervous tension anxiety going into this of not

810
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.800
knowing what might or might not happen.

811
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:23.760
And.

812
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:30.800
You're anticipating the unknown and hoping for the best. Like

813
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:35.559
we're there to see bigfoot, you know, but what are

814
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:38.119
we going to do if we see bigfoot?

815
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:42.559
You know, like that kind of thing. But no, it was.

816
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:48.800
Like we went go from like tree break and then

817
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:50.760
we get to smell thing and you're like, okay, that's

818
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:53.400
another thing on the list. Like this is like, this

819
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:56.960
is all going in the direction we wanted to.

820
00:45:57.960 --> 00:45:58.760
I think.

821
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:03.800
So it was, you know, but like I was trying

822
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:08.639
to be the kind of being skeptical at the same time,

823
00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:12.960
like hopeful but being like, oh, who knows, you know,

824
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:18.519
like I don't think that this is it has to

825
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:21.360
be anything, but it your sounds like it could be something.

826
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:26.400
I don't know, Mike, you want to do the next part?

827
00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:31.199
Yeah, this whole night is like a movie clip in

828
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:33.440
my head. I was so traumatized. I got everything to

829
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:40.239
a tee. We walk into I'm gonna say, I'm going

830
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:42.960
to use Bee for the boy the dad, and Kay

831
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.760
for the girl. That's their first initials. So Be stopped

832
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:48.920
Bee's in front of me and says, oh, do you

833
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:51.719
smell that? And Case said no, I didn't smell anything,

834
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:54.199
And then I walked into it and Todd, right, it's

835
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:59.679
a wall. Cay said, it smelled like rotten salmon. I

836
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:01.760
walked and then I was like, it's like dead fish

837
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:05.679
and like road kill. It was so bad. I can't

838
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:08.440
even describe it. I've never smelt anything like that. And

839
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:10.119
Jim goes, where is it? And I was like, I

840
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:12.079
don't know. I don't smell anymore. We stepped back and

841
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:16.159
it's literally just this wall of funk in the trail.

842
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:18.880
So Jim said, where are you smelling it? And he goes, oh,

843
00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:23.519
dear lord. He goes, I think that's kill some you know,

844
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:26.440
a mountain liin has maybe killed something and has has

845
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:28.159
it up here. He goes, give me a hand. I

846
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:30.840
gave him my walker that I had my what do

847
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:36.239
you call that, Todd the stiff oh, hiking pole? Hiking poles? Like, yeah,

848
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:38.199
thank you. I gave him that. He walked up there

849
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:39.880
because he had a knee brace on. I was worried

850
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:42.159
about him falling. I kind of go up with him

851
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:44.639
and he's digging around in the bushes with that pole,

852
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:46.880
trying to see if he could find something dead up there.

853
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:49.639
And I was like, like, Todd said, We're like Jim,

854
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:52.000
that's not a good idea. There's a mountain lion kill

855
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.039
right there. You're going to get bounced on. That thing

856
00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:56.800
could be anywhere here. So he came down. He couldn't

857
00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:58.920
find anything. He said, it's not there's nothing right here.

858
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:00.599
And I was like, there is something right here. It

859
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:04.320
is so strong. We go up a little bit. It's

860
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:07.159
getting dark now, and Jim says, let's stop at this

861
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:10.159
this little it was like a little resting area right

862
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:13.320
next to that creek. Jim goes, all right, at this time,

863
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:16.599
I'm going to calm the savage beast. And he goes,

864
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:20.920
I'm going to sing. He started singing, so we let

865
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:23.360
him do. He singing, and he goes. Everybody closed their

866
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:27.400
eyes and pray to the Sasquatch and let them know

867
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:30.440
that we're not here to harm them, and we, you know,

868
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:34.719
we mean good intentions and how you feel and what

869
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:38.800
you'd like. You know, maybe they'll show themselves. So this

870
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:41.920
sounds bad, jerem I, but I was like, all right, Bigfoot,

871
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:45.079
I'm here. I'd like to see some proof. If you're

872
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:50.719
out there, I said, please throw something that my friend's head.

873
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:53.400
This is going to go on later. It did not

874
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:56.239
happen this night, But Todd's got some stuff to tell you.

875
00:48:56.280 --> 00:49:00.239
A little later after this trip. So we're sitting there

876
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:03.119
doing a little chance and everything and Todd I'm talking

877
00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:06.639
to Jim. I was like, yeah, I got these. He

878
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:08.559
was like, what you bring And I said, I got

879
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:12.840
these cool night vision that you could see. I was like,

880
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:14.320
and he said, oh, yeah, I've seen that before. He

881
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:17.920
hit a little monocular and at that point Todd taps

882
00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:19.519
me on the shoulder and said, do you see that?

883
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:23.559
And just out of my peripheral vision I was talking

884
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:25.360
to Jim, I was turning towards Todd. Well I could

885
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:27.800
see between the two trees it was like dark and

886
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:31.599
then light, and I was like, uh, there's something right there.

887
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:34.199
And Jim goes, what are you guys looking at? He's

888
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:36.800
looking up there. It's still it's getting dark down there

889
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:38.159
in the valley, but the top of the hill you

890
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:41.039
could see the light a little bit and I was like,

891
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:43.360
something moved up there. I couldn't tell you what it was.

892
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:47.480
I just seen it the space get dark. When Todd

893
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:50.519
was like, do you see that standing up there? And

894
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:53.880
I so at that point I look at Jim and

895
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:56.679
I'm looking at my watch because I've been doing a

896
00:49:56.719 --> 00:50:00.840
lot of David Pilate stuff and the missing time the watch.

897
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:03.039
My watch was going perfect and my phone was perfect.

898
00:50:03.079 --> 00:50:04.920
I was like, I'm going to record some of this

899
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:08.400
on my phone as we're talking his chanting and everything,

900
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:13.920
and I forgot to but grab my night vision goggles

901
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:16.360
that I didn't know had audio on it. The audio

902
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:19.320
kicked on. I told Jim it's not working, and he said,

903
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:20.880
what do you mean, it's what not working? I was like,

904
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:22.840
it's not working. I can't get it to work. It

905
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:25.559
just was working a second ago. So he started fooling

906
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:27.159
around with it, and he couldn't get it to come

907
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:30.559
on either. I was like, what the heck? I was like,

908
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:35.119
and he said, well, bigfoot drains energy, you know, from batteries,

909
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:37.079
phones and all this. And I was like, my night

910
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:39.239
vision's not working at all right now. So I couldn't

911
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:41.480
see where Todd seeing that thing up in the hill.

912
00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:46.400
I couldn't look through it because my night vision wasn't working. God,

913
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:47.639
did you want to add some to that?

914
00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:51.800
Yeah. So, well, after.

915
00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:56.480
Jim did his song and we were talking kind of

916
00:50:56.480 --> 00:51:00.400
just talking to the forest kind of thing. The guy

917
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:02.599
we were with b he did an elk call was

918
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:06.239
like an oak bugle, and then his daughter did a scream,

919
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:11.079
and it was she had this like fancy scream. Like

920
00:51:11.239 --> 00:51:13.480
I was next to her, and I was like, oh jeez,

921
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:16.199
my ears. But it was like that was a good scream,

922
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:21.119
you know, like whatever's out there sure heard us, you know,

923
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:24.239
doing doing our things. So but yeah, we were sitting

924
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:27.800
there just kind of just chatting and just.

925
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:31.440
You know, doing our thing. And yeah, I was.

926
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:34.000
I sat on a rock where i was kind of

927
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:39.840
facing across the trail and I'm staring across the trail

928
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:43.280
and I'm like, man, there's something movement over there.

929
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:50.199
And it was like darker than the leaves on the trees,

930
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:54.760
Like it was like like almost like a shadow moving.

931
00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:57.440
That. Like.

932
00:51:57.760 --> 00:51:59.719
But I was just sitting there staring at it for

933
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:03.559
a while and I'm like it it is legitimately, it's

934
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:06.840
not just one area. Like I'm following it from like

935
00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:12.880
left to right, and I'm it's like thinking, man, I'm

936
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:16.639
saying things like it's just me, like it's it's the

937
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:19.199
it's the nerves, it's you know. But I'm just staring

938
00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:21.559
at it and staring at it. And then I'm like

939
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:24.880
I got to say something. And Mike was the closest

940
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:26.760
to me, so I'm like, did you.

941
00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:29.719
See this over here? You know, and it's it's literally

942
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:31.239
just across the trail.

943
00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:39.000
It was like fifteen maybe twenty feet away, which is

944
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:44.039
dang close for anything at that point, and you know,

945
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:49.239
it was I didn't hear anything, but we were next

946
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:53.039
next to the creek that it's pretty loud for the

947
00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:56.719
size of it. It's because it's flowing through, you know,

948
00:52:56.760 --> 00:53:00.360
it's pretty much solid rock that it's going through, and

949
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:06.519
it like probably wouldn't and we're trying to hear it

950
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:11.159
listen for it, but it's getting whatever's over there is

951
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:15.199
definitely not making enough noise, you know, more than the creek.

952
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:20.599
So it's like it's just weird, you know, with you know,

953
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:25.400
him him pulling out and like it just doesn't work.

954
00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:32.960
And I don't know, it's not too long after that,

955
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:37.280
like nobody else seems to see it. But we're like,

956
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:41.159
all right, let's let's go further up the trail. And

957
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:46.000
as we're we're going, Jim, you know, it's getting darker.

958
00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:49.320
It's like literally about the.

959
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:52.480
About the same time.

960
00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:57.960
At night, the same level of brightness that's probably a

961
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:00.639
little darker than it is currently right now. And it's

962
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:06.400
like eight well eight thirty here, so no this the

963
00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:12.039
sun's fading pretty quick at this point, but you know,

964
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:16.760
and but when we get up it's it's it's it's

965
00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:22.840
dark then. So Jim tells us about the eye glow

966
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:28.239
and how whoa he one of the one of the

967
00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:34.000
things on our list to bring, we're binoculars. And I

968
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:36.760
was like, why would we need binoculars at night? Like

969
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:41.039
what what good is that going to do? And when

970
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:45.360
we get to this point, he explains that because you

971
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:49.079
see a point of light, you get out your binoculars,

972
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:55.320
then you see two. So he's like, that's you know,

973
00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:58.800
they're they're further you know, you're seeing them from further away.

974
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:00.880
It looks like one and then you have the binoculars.

975
00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:03.400
So of course, you know, I didn't have my binoculars

976
00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:05.760
because it was like, we don't, we don't need binoculars

977
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:09.199
at night. But he's also saying, you know, you it's

978
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:14.159
best to see them using your peripheral vision. So I'm

979
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:18.320
walking like turning my heads to the side, you know,

980
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:20.679
kind of looking up the trail the best I can

981
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:25.920
as it's getting dark, and doing side to side and

982
00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:29.360
like putting my my tin on my shoulders and like

983
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:33.880
looking up, you know, and like lifting my head up

984
00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:37.719
and looking you know, down my nose kind of thing. See, hey,

985
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:42.519
can I see anything? Pretty sure it was. Jim was like,

986
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:49.000
there's eyes up ahead, and I was like, you know,

987
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:53.159
moving my head. I'm like, oh, yeah, I see. I

988
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:56.599
think I see what you're talking about.

989
00:55:56.920 --> 00:55:56.960
That.

990
00:55:57.159 --> 00:56:01.039
Uh, you know, we're going up a hill. And it

991
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:05.760
looked to me like it would be almost like they

992
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:09.920
were up in a tree or they were like way

993
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:15.559
up the trail. But you know, it's hard to tell,

994
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:19.280
you know, perspective whise at that point.

995
00:56:19.360 --> 00:56:21.360
But you know, it was.

996
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:25.400
Super exciting because you're just talking about it and that's

997
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:29.039
like what you're here to see, and uh, you know,

998
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:33.360
it was like, okay, so you know I'm seeing, you know,

999
00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:35.039
talking to Gym, like I'm seeing.

1000
00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:38.239
It's like a light yellow amber color.

1001
00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:43.159
He's like yeah, he's like and he's like if you

1002
00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:46.519
you know, if you you're watching them and they blink

1003
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:51.760
out and like, yeah, I'm seeing that too. And the

1004
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:55.159
whole time there wasn't any real breeze or anything, so

1005
00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:58.280
it wasn't like it was a light in the distance

1006
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:01.119
and trees, you know, the trees and the leaves were

1007
00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:04.519
blowing kind of thing. It was like like we're all

1008
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:10.440
standing there looking at it, like like yeah, like that's

1009
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:14.239
what I'm seeing. And then, you know, we spent a

1010
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:19.440
couple of minutes there. And then the other thing at

1011
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:24.320
this area there there's camping allowed, but you're not allowed

1012
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:30.199
to have campfires, and knowing where the camping is allowed

1013
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:34.800
was like and we were down in the in the

1014
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:37.559
little canyon thing, so we wouldn't have seen it anyway.

1015
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:40.400
It would have been like to our left and behind

1016
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:45.639
us at that point. So it wasn't you know, a

1017
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:48.360
camper with a head lamp in the distance or anything

1018
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:48.760
like that.

1019
00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:51.280
And we're there and it's dark.

1020
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:55.440
There shouldn't have been anybody coming the other way, and

1021
00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:58.360
we didn't have anybody come the other way, so you know,

1022
00:57:58.360 --> 00:58:02.119
it wasn't that. But we spent a couple couple of

1023
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:06.400
minutes just kind of kind of just observing and seeing

1024
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:07.760
what was going on.

1025
00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:09.480
And then.

1026
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:16.320
I don't know, we just Jim decided that like, let's

1027
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:19.760
move on, keep going up the trail, and.

1028
00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:24.360
We went. We didn't go very far after that.

1029
00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:28.000
We just stopped and turned around to look back down

1030
00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:36.599
the trail and there's this same thing, this glow up

1031
00:58:36.639 --> 00:58:40.320
in the tree, like what I presumed was in the tree.

1032
00:58:41.519 --> 00:58:43.800
You know, it's just because it's just too high. And

1033
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:45.880
if it would have been a big foot, it would

1034
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:47.920
have been a you know, thirty foot tall big foot.

1035
00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:52.159
So that's not what it was. But it seemed like

1036
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:54.880
it was in the tree to me, like we were looking.

1037
00:58:55.239 --> 00:58:58.320
We were still looking up on it, but we were

1038
00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:01.360
on the higher ground than we were before, so it

1039
00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:05.400
wasn't sure if we walk far enough to walk that's

1040
00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:06.159
the first.

1041
00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:07.880
One or.

1042
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:12.239
There was one, like one in front of us and

1043
00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:16.719
one behind us at that point, but you know, still

1044
00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:21.360
watching it and it's it was. It was moving and

1045
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:26.840
it was surely like it was on and off kind

1046
00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:34.639
of thing blinking. But then that's when the other things

1047
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:38.119
started to happen. Probably let that Mike explain his his

1048
00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:43.960
part of this, because he was probably the record, yeah,

1049
00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:46.880
the most effected, the biggest experience here on this, and

1050
00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:51.719
like the rest of us were kind of some of

1051
00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:54.519
us saw it, some of us didn't kind of thing,

1052
00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:57.159
so we have a little different perspective on it.

1053
00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:01.400
So jeremiahs we're going up. What Todd forgot to tell

1054
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:04.280
you was a biker came down with his light on,

1055
01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:07.719
and that's going to lead to what I see next.

1056
01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:10.599
He almost took me out. He was going down pretty fast,

1057
01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:12.920
and I did not hear Jim say to the side

1058
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:15.719
because a biker was coming down, and I barely. I

1059
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:18.679
think Todd actually helped me because I didn't hear it

1060
01:00:18.719 --> 01:00:20.880
got me to the side. Is this biker comes flying

1061
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:23.840
down that hill and it was dark. I could make

1062
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:26.599
out the bikers he was going bias, but I without

1063
01:00:26.639 --> 01:00:28.239
his light, I would have not known he was there,

1064
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:30.639
and I would have got taken out. But we go

1065
01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:33.159
up a little farther as he was saying, we've seen

1066
01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:35.239
some they seen some ice. I didn't get to see

1067
01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:38.599
the eyes at that time because they had the monocular

1068
01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:41.719
and the binoculars and stuff was looking in At this time.

1069
01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:46.079
My night vision still was not working. What I didn't

1070
01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:47.960
know it was recording the whole time. I didn't even

1071
01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:49.760
know there was a record on there, so it was

1072
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:54.239
recording audio the whole time. We go up. We did

1073
01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:57.519
do a stay. We stopped with Jim and Todd had

1074
01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:01.039
seen something and Kay had seen something on the hills.

1075
01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:04.039
I couldn't they were I was looking real hard I

1076
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:05.960
wanted to see it. I couldn't find where they were

1077
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:08.519
looking at. But we go up to a little area

1078
01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:10.239
and he goes, this is a good place to stop.

1079
01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:14.840
And like he said, that's when I started seeing some amber?

1080
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:18.440
Are they seeing some? At first? They seen some eyes

1081
01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:21.079
And as I went looking back, or as I looked

1082
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:22.480
back down the trail, and I thought it was on

1083
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:25.079
the trail, but apparently it was higher. I said, oh gosh,

1084
01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:27.320
here comes another biker. That's what it looked like. It

1085
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:32.199
was like white, whitish color, light light blue color kind

1086
01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:35.440
of mixed in there. But one Jim looked at it

1087
01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:38.719
and says, it's not one. There's eyes there. Well, him

1088
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:41.239
and Todd are looking at it. There's see an amber.

1089
01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:46.039
I'm seeing a whitish blue glow. And the gates of

1090
01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:49.440
Hell then opened up. At that point, we're all Jim

1091
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:53.800
is leaning against Todd's shoulder looking. I set down just

1092
01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:57.119
to take a break. Kay. The girl is sitting me,

1093
01:01:57.400 --> 01:01:59.519
sitting next to me, taking a break, and her dad

1094
01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:02.480
is up and we're kind of and he's doing some

1095
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:05.519
weird He said, talk, don't be quiet. If you see stuff,

1096
01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:07.440
keep talking, because we don't want to scare them. Away.

1097
01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:09.360
We want to draw them in, he said. So if

1098
01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:12.719
somebody says, look, look, look, keep talking, he said, don't

1099
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:17.159
be quiet. At that point, they're looking, and I'm looking

1100
01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:18.880
at this white thing and they said, no, it's two,

1101
01:02:18.920 --> 01:02:20.920
it's two. It's eyes. And I said, I see one

1102
01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:26.679
white blueish, almost like an orb that I could describe.

1103
01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:29.920
They said, it's two sets of eyes, almond colored or

1104
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:31.719
alm in red. I didn't see that. I seen a

1105
01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:36.159
blue white light at that moment. I'd noticed and that

1106
01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:39.280
in front of me. Something looks weird. It's like it's distorting.

1107
01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:43.079
I told Jim, do you want me to let you

1108
01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:45.639
know when weird things are happening? He said, yeah, what's

1109
01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:51.559
going on? Mike? I said, there's like hundreds of these

1110
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:55.760
fireflies flying towards us right now, just twenty feet out,

1111
01:02:55.840 --> 01:02:59.559
coming towards us. And Jim was like, anybody else see that?

1112
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:00.639
No one seeing it? Then?

1113
01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:01.960
Kay?

1114
01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:04.960
The girl said yeah, I see him. Now they're coming.

1115
01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:07.079
They're almost right in front of us. I said, they're

1116
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:09.320
all over the place. I can almost reach out. They

1117
01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:11.719
look like little ants with glowing butts. I was like,

1118
01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:14.639
where are they? They just came on the trail. It

1119
01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:22.239
was what the lady at the Sasquatch out Post said

1120
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:27.800
was a portal opening all kinds of bugs. I'm seeing that.

1121
01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:30.480
Todd's next to me and saying, I'm seeing some kind

1122
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:32.559
of I'll let him explain and then I'll go into

1123
01:03:32.639 --> 01:03:35.719
what just it was crazy at that point on, but

1124
01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:39.840
Todd's seeing what Toddy was like a glimmer of black

1125
01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:41.800
or what.

1126
01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:43.480
It took me.

1127
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:46.519
Took me a little bit to figure out what Mike

1128
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:50.800
was talking about. I'm looking above where this is going on,

1129
01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:54.440
and you know, he's he's talking about this thing that

1130
01:03:55.360 --> 01:04:01.320
is basically the trail that we just came up, so

1131
01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:08.119
you know, it's down lower and uh, once I figure

1132
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:10.440
it out, like what he you know, trying to He's

1133
01:04:10.480 --> 01:04:13.079
describing it and being like, okay, so this is what

1134
01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:16.400
I'm trying to look for. I see it and it

1135
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:24.360
was just like kind of like the and it didn't there.

1136
01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:26.840
It wasn't like a defined shape kind of thing. It

1137
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:29.400
was just it's an area.

1138
01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:33.480
In front of us that but it looked like I

1139
01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:35.119
don't know, I was trying to think of, like trying

1140
01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:40.880
to describe it as like TV static, like it's moving

1141
01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:46.320
like that like quivering kind of thing. I get migraines,

1142
01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:51.079
and when I do the the rrow from it, it's

1143
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:55.519
like when you're like if your computer monitor gets a

1144
01:04:55.519 --> 01:04:59.679
little funky and starts like shaking on you, and I

1145
01:04:59.719 --> 01:05:02.519
get a little blur in that area.

1146
01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:05.199
That's what it.

1147
01:05:04.440 --> 01:05:08.079
Looked like to me, like something that one of those

1148
01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:11.000
two things combined, you know, both of them.

1149
01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:14.519
But uh, it was really you know, it was weird

1150
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:18.639
because I'm like, there's there's a blurry spot on the

1151
01:05:18.679 --> 01:05:21.280
trail and I'm not getting a migraine. I know that

1152
01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:23.199
because I'm I'm seeing fine.

1153
01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:29.280
Everywhere else, just just one area, and you know.

1154
01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:32.760
It's really weird. And like as it's going on, like

1155
01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:40.480
Mike starts starts sounding more anxious to where I'm like,

1156
01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:45.920
is he okay? You know, like we're I'm like, you know,

1157
01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:47.840
we're here together.

1158
01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:50.639
I'm afraid he's gonna get up and take off like

1159
01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:53.239
one way or the other, you know, and just to

1160
01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:56.239
be like don't don't run like it's dark, You're gonna

1161
01:05:56.239 --> 01:05:59.119
break an ankle kind of thing, or you know that

1162
01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:03.760
those you know, just those concerns. But I was standing there,

1163
01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:07.360
Mike was to my left and Jim was behind me.

1164
01:06:07.519 --> 01:06:11.159
He was used in my shoulder as kind of a report.

1165
01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:16.239
As he's looking, he's not seeing it, I think looking back,

1166
01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:20.280
Like I couldn't see where he was pointed for sure,

1167
01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:24.199
but I think he was looking above it to where

1168
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:29.519
the eyes were and not below to where what we

1169
01:06:29.639 --> 01:06:38.199
were seeing. But yeah, it was. It was definitely weird.

1170
01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:46.840
I've never seen anything like that, and uh, I was

1171
01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:51.519
I didn't know what to do myself, like do we

1172
01:06:52.559 --> 01:06:53.559
do we get away from it?

1173
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:53.960
Do we go?

1174
01:06:54.599 --> 01:06:56.679
What do we do? Like? Is it come?

1175
01:06:56.880 --> 01:06:58.880
Is it going to come towards us? Is you know,

1176
01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:01.639
something going to come out of this thing? Like I

1177
01:07:01.639 --> 01:07:04.559
don't know, I don't know what it was. But it

1178
01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:08.840
was just weird that we were seeing these eyeglow and

1179
01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:15.400
then this other thing happened that I really no no

1180
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:19.039
real explanation other than from hearing other people it could

1181
01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:19.840
have been a portal.

1182
01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:29.280
How far away from it was you Todd, Oh.

1183
01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:28.119
It was.

1184
01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:35.280
Just trying to think of like this. It was maybe

1185
01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:40.440
like thirty feet forty feet, you know, but it was

1186
01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:44.960
after the fact of it was on the trail that

1187
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:49.679
we just walked through, you know, like if it if

1188
01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:55.840
it was there before we walked through that the other way,

1189
01:07:56.079 --> 01:07:59.039
I could think to explain it was because I just

1190
01:07:59.079 --> 01:08:01.880
saw it recently or we were out and when you

1191
01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:07.679
see the the little gnats that kind of swarm and

1192
01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:09.760
if you see them in the light just catches them

1193
01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:14.360
in the right way, like you notice them. You don't,

1194
01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:16.680
you don't always see them from a distance, but then

1195
01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:19.079
you can get closer and then you know, it's like

1196
01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:20.720
a like it was like it was like a form

1197
01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:25.199
of those but it was. It was weird for me.

1198
01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:30.000
I was just trying to be like this, keep it together,

1199
01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:35.159
you know, like, don't don't, don't do anything dumb at

1200
01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:36.920
this point, because we don't know what that is.

1201
01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:43.199
Yeah, Todd, we'd never talked about that, Jeremiah, how far

1202
01:08:43.279 --> 01:08:46.600
we thought that was? So thirty feet was probably that's

1203
01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:50.000
probably reasonable. That's about where I was thinking too. So

1204
01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:52.640
I'm seeing these gnats. I'm to the right, Todd's next

1205
01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:55.399
to me, Jim's on the other side of Todd. Uh

1206
01:08:56.039 --> 01:08:58.279
B is on the side, the guy is on the

1207
01:08:58.359 --> 01:09:03.760
side of Jim. Hey, the girl is right next right

1208
01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:07.399
in front of me, almost touching me. She starts to

1209
01:09:07.439 --> 01:09:10.079
see it, and her dad's like, what do you see

1210
01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:13.760
and she goes, oh, right here, they're little fireflies or something.

1211
01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:16.279
There's something weird right in front of us. They're coming

1212
01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:20.000
towards us. She tells her dad, I don't like this.

1213
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:24.319
I don't feel good. Something is not right. It feels evil.

1214
01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:29.079
As soon as she said that, Jeremiah, they're talking about

1215
01:09:29.079 --> 01:09:32.680
these eyes and the tree, Toad and Jim. I look

1216
01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:36.720
up to where they're seeing these eyes. I see blue,

1217
01:09:37.079 --> 01:09:40.520
that blueish white. Again. I don't know how to describe it.

1218
01:09:40.600 --> 01:09:42.079
I don't think it was an eye. I really think

1219
01:09:42.119 --> 01:09:45.119
it was an orb, small orb I would say tennis

1220
01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:49.520
ball size, and it was putting off an amount of light. Again,

1221
01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:53.279
it was light, but it wasn't like a flashlight shining out.

1222
01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:57.720
I could see it at that moment where that light

1223
01:09:57.920 --> 01:10:01.840
was something. I don't even know how to describe it.

1224
01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:06.000
It's like it metamorphosed a blob, a black blob. As

1225
01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:08.800
dark as it was, this was the best way to

1226
01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:12.119
describe it. It was darker the night, the pitch darker night,

1227
01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:15.039
and it's going up this tree. It's on the edge

1228
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:17.239
of this huge pine that we're looking at, and it's

1229
01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:20.640
morphosing up to the top. At that time, I panicked,

1230
01:10:20.920 --> 01:10:24.079
I told Todd, do you have your gun? He said yeah,

1231
01:10:24.119 --> 01:10:26.680
and I was like, even though in my heart I

1232
01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:28.319
knew a gun and I'm going to do anything to

1233
01:10:28.359 --> 01:10:33.079
that because it didn't seem physical. Kay told her dad,

1234
01:10:33.119 --> 01:10:35.720
said Dad, do you have your gun? And he said yes,

1235
01:10:35.760 --> 01:10:39.319
maybe I have it, and Jim was packing too. I

1236
01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:42.920
told Todd get your gun ready. I don't know why

1237
01:10:42.920 --> 01:10:45.319
I said that, because I don't know what shooting would

1238
01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:47.520
have done. At I think it was just a comfort

1239
01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:50.560
to know that we had a gun. But in my heart, Jeremiah,

1240
01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:53.319
I knew that whatever I was seeing, we couldn't stop it.

1241
01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:57.119
I lost it. I had started sweating. I felt like

1242
01:10:57.159 --> 01:11:00.039
I was gonna I was sitting on a rock and

1243
01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:01.960
to grab this rock with all my might to the

1244
01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:05.000
right side towards Todd because I thought I was sliding

1245
01:11:05.039 --> 01:11:08.239
down into the creek. My balance was off. I was

1246
01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:10.840
having a massive panic attack, which shouldn't have happened, not

1247
01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:13.840
with that medicine. I had never been in the fight

1248
01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:17.560
or flight like that. Jim couldn't understand what I was seeing.

1249
01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:21.479
He did not see what me and Todd and the

1250
01:11:21.560 --> 01:11:24.800
girl was seeing. She didn't say anything about a portal,

1251
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:27.119
but she said, I see the bugs. I see it,

1252
01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:30.640
and it's weird. It's like they're coming after us. And

1253
01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:32.960
it just belt and built up and built up, and

1254
01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:36.520
Jim used todd as like a tripod. Tried to get

1255
01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:38.920
his monocular and was looking and he said, where are

1256
01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:40.560
you seeing this? And I said, it's in the tree.

1257
01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:42.960
It's in the tree. It's rolling to the ends of

1258
01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:45.920
the branches. It's rolling up like a blob. That's the

1259
01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:48.279
only way I could describe it, a big black blob

1260
01:11:48.399 --> 01:11:53.960
going up. And the cay's dad said, well, maybe it's

1261
01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:56.000
a bigfoot. Maybe bigfoot. And I was like, there is

1262
01:11:56.039 --> 01:11:58.960
no way anything could be on the edge of these

1263
01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:02.960
pine and not move them. They weren't moving at all,

1264
01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:07.399
but it was going up almost I don't know. That's

1265
01:12:07.439 --> 01:12:10.119
why I thought paranormal. I thought ghost or alien or something.

1266
01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:14.239
I was like, this is weird. And Kay started screaming

1267
01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:15.399
to her dad. We need to get out of here.

1268
01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:17.359
We need to get out of here now. And he

1269
01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:19.840
said at that point, he was like, they've got whatever

1270
01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:22.119
it is, they've got the high point on us. We're

1271
01:12:22.159 --> 01:12:24.359
sitting down. He goes Jim, this is not safe. If

1272
01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:26.760
we're going to get attacked, we're in trouble. We got

1273
01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:29.600
a little bit of a cliff, a slight incline down

1274
01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:32.520
to the creek. He said, we are sitting ducks right here.

1275
01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:37.720
So we started going down the trail. I actually had

1276
01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:41.720
to have Todd help me because I was so shaken

1277
01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:43.920
I couldn't get up. I almost fell down. I was

1278
01:12:43.960 --> 01:12:47.920
tripping over myself. Todd was helping me, and the Kay

1279
01:12:47.960 --> 01:12:49.920
the girl was helping me too. As we went down,

1280
01:12:51.279 --> 01:12:53.880
Jim and I got nervous getting near that big tree,

1281
01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:55.720
and I told Todd I want to be against the wall,

1282
01:12:55.800 --> 01:12:57.720
the other side of the wall, opposite of that tree

1283
01:12:57.920 --> 01:12:59.520
where I seen that stuff. I said, I don't want

1284
01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:01.159
to go and see the tree. I knew which one

1285
01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:02.920
it was. I was like, it was a big pine.

1286
01:13:02.920 --> 01:13:04.880
I said, I don't want any wear near that pine.

1287
01:13:04.920 --> 01:13:08.079
Thathing's going to jump out on us. We started walking

1288
01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:11.640
down there. I would say, fifteen twenty feet ahead of us.

1289
01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:15.680
It's Kay, it's me, it's Todd's behind me. I had Tod,

1290
01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:20.039
but Todd was behind me helping, helping me. All at once,

1291
01:13:20.520 --> 01:13:22.760
all three of us stop at the exact same time.

1292
01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:25.319
I put my hand back so Todd doesn't run into me.

1293
01:13:25.319 --> 01:13:27.520
Because it's dark. I put my hand in front. She

1294
01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:29.279
looks to the right. I looked to the right up

1295
01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:33.000
the hill. She said, did you hear that? I said, yeah,

1296
01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:35.479
I heard that, and Todd said, what'd you all hear?

1297
01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:42.840
Kay said, I heard footstep like a twig break, and

1298
01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:47.239
laughter of like kids. And they looked at me, and

1299
01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:51.920
I said, I heard one big stomp, like if something

1300
01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:54.159
was on a rock and stepped down like a human.

1301
01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:56.840
It was like a boom, almost like a percussion of

1302
01:13:56.880 --> 01:13:59.119
a heavy step to the right of us, and it

1303
01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:01.760
was close. We're all staring. This thing could have been

1304
01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:03.359
ten feet away from this, and it was so dark

1305
01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:05.439
we wouldn't have seen it. We're all looking right at it.

1306
01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:09.840
My heart's going just a million beats a minute. Todd said,

1307
01:14:09.920 --> 01:14:13.239
I heard I think he said a twig break and laughter,

1308
01:14:13.319 --> 01:14:16.359
but he said down where the creek was, which made

1309
01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:18.680
sense for me because my left ear when I was young,

1310
01:14:19.079 --> 01:14:23.000
I did fireworks and damaged my hearing on that left side,

1311
01:14:23.039 --> 01:14:25.119
so I would not have heard something on the left

1312
01:14:25.119 --> 01:14:30.039
side and the creek was muffling it out, but they

1313
01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:32.399
heard laughing. We called Jim back and Jim said, what

1314
01:14:32.439 --> 01:14:34.840
did you all hear? And I was like, something heavy

1315
01:14:35.079 --> 01:14:37.880
stepped and I heard the percussion of the step like

1316
01:14:37.920 --> 01:14:40.079
it stepped off of a rock or a log and

1317
01:14:40.159 --> 01:14:42.720
went boom. And as soon as it did a boom,

1318
01:14:43.239 --> 01:14:46.159
it stopped. I was keen in on right there. We

1319
01:14:46.199 --> 01:14:49.560
were all staring. Jim comes up and says, all right,

1320
01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:51.920
let me get my He's looking at his monocular. He

1321
01:14:51.960 --> 01:14:53.720
said where at? And I was like, it's right here.

1322
01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:56.199
I mean, it is close to us that we're here.

1323
01:14:56.399 --> 01:14:59.119
We all heard it seemed trying he couldn't find it.

1324
01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:01.760
There is no way it moved away from us. That

1325
01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:05.960
was just crazy. And I'll let Todd explain what he

1326
01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:08.920
heard too. At this moment. They won't go on from.

1327
01:15:08.760 --> 01:15:10.640
There, you know.

1328
01:15:10.760 --> 01:15:16.319
So we well, we all the three of us heard

1329
01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:20.399
well what we each heard. And it was at the

1330
01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:24.199
same time I heard. I heard that laughter, and I

1331
01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:26.800
didn't say anything. I was like, this is my this

1332
01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:30.439
is my mind playing tricks on me, like it's it's

1333
01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:33.800
you know, it was just me. Nobody else heard that,

1334
01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:37.159
you know, but I heard it's done. I would say.

1335
01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:43.319
The other side was the the twig break, and.

1336
01:15:43.279 --> 01:15:45.439
That would it would just be something small, like small

1337
01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:51.399
dry twig like this, you know, nothing big. But it

1338
01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:54.560
was it's really obvious that, you know, some something over

1339
01:15:54.600 --> 01:16:00.399
there broke a twig. But I didn't stay about the

1340
01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:05.960
laughter at first, says I wanted to see if the

1341
01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:12.039
other people heard it too, But uh, it was it

1342
01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:15.840
was just that it was like creepy, like little kid laughter.

1343
01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:26.680
And yeah, thinking about it, that's what it was.

1344
01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:28.600
It's really creepy.

1345
01:16:30.279 --> 01:16:35.920
It was almost like at that point like something was

1346
01:16:36.039 --> 01:16:39.760
messing with us, trying to trying to scare us out

1347
01:16:39.880 --> 01:16:40.319
or whatever.

1348
01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:49.720
But uh oh, and then then it's kind of well,

1349
01:16:50.159 --> 01:16:54.039
sort of funny after that. As we're we're walking out

1350
01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:57.279
and we're coming we're out of the Kenyon part and

1351
01:16:57.279 --> 01:16:59.640
it flattens out and there's like a meadow and stuff.

1352
01:17:00.079 --> 01:17:02.000
We kind of came around the turn on the trail

1353
01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:09.079
and we see what we thought was more eyeglow in

1354
01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:11.920
the distance, and it was kind of one of those like, oh,

1355
01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:17.479
there's two and there's four, there's like eight, like and

1356
01:17:17.600 --> 01:17:20.279
it was just one of those what is going on,

1357
01:17:22.680 --> 01:17:25.000
Like I am not like this is the way back

1358
01:17:25.079 --> 01:17:29.840
to the truck, Like there's a whole whole family of

1359
01:17:29.880 --> 01:17:32.920
them down here, like they're just waiting for us. Like,

1360
01:17:33.600 --> 01:17:36.199
but uh, Jim was kind of he was in the

1361
01:17:36.239 --> 01:17:39.920
back and he kind of comes around the around the

1362
01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:43.760
the corner and he sees what we're hing and he's like,

1363
01:17:43.920 --> 01:17:46.800
figure it like took a second and he was like, oh,

1364
01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:48.880
those are just houses on the other side of the mountain.

1365
01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:53.439
But we're like, oh, thank god, Like I was not

1366
01:17:53.520 --> 01:17:57.680
ready to walk into like ten minutes been Bigfoot at

1367
01:17:57.680 --> 01:18:01.840
that point like that. But it was the other part

1368
01:18:01.880 --> 01:18:04.600
with that was yeah, like we realized those were houses,

1369
01:18:05.159 --> 01:18:07.560
and you kind of not because it's like there's different

1370
01:18:07.640 --> 01:18:14.319
colored lights. But how I said before I went, I

1371
01:18:14.359 --> 01:18:18.720
went back on the next on the Wednesday, and I

1372
01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:22.199
went up the trail and I was trying to find

1373
01:18:22.279 --> 01:18:27.600
houses like from where we were at, and I had

1374
01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:30.800
to go a good mile.

1375
01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:33.880
My own and a half past.

1376
01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:38.640
Where we thought we saw the eyeshine eye glow, and

1377
01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:42.439
I found the house like it was up on the side.

1378
01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:46.039
You know, it was tucked back in and you know

1379
01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:49.680
there there were only a couple houses like way up,

1380
01:18:50.239 --> 01:18:53.640
but they were they weren't really in that that general direction.

1381
01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:56.159
They would have been more off to the right if

1382
01:18:56.199 --> 01:19:03.279
we would have would have been seeing the houses at night. Yeah,

1383
01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:06.920
it was going back in the daytimes. A total different

1384
01:19:07.479 --> 01:19:11.159
experience because it doesn't feel as closed in and it

1385
01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:14.720
doesn't feel it's the walls on the snide or didn't

1386
01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:17.720
seem as steep and stuff, but it was still enclosed

1387
01:19:17.800 --> 01:19:23.479
and you know, just kind of kind of rejudging distances

1388
01:19:23.560 --> 01:19:26.840
and stuff like that. But I'm like, this is you know,

1389
01:19:27.199 --> 01:19:29.439
this is where we had the smell. This is where

1390
01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:33.239
we stopped and I saw the saw the shadow.

1391
01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:34.920
This is this is.

1392
01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:38.159
Where we stopped and turned around and we saw whatever

1393
01:19:38.199 --> 01:19:41.279
that was on the trail, and.

1394
01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:43.600
Yeah, it was.

1395
01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:46.279
It was.

1396
01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:48.439
I don't know, in my mind, I felt better about

1397
01:19:48.479 --> 01:19:49.840
going back there during the day.

1398
01:19:51.199 --> 01:19:54.359
One part that Todd forgot was it's all about timing

1399
01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:57.399
and I'm I'm not lying. I'm the real life Charlie Brown,

1400
01:19:57.479 --> 01:19:59.279
or something's going to happen. It will happen to me.

1401
01:20:00.520 --> 01:20:02.399
I had to. I got so nervous. I had to

1402
01:20:02.439 --> 01:20:05.079
take a bathroom break, and so did Jim. And Jim

1403
01:20:05.119 --> 01:20:07.720
made a comment at that time said, wow, you know,

1404
01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:12.039
with the things going tonight, to be surprising if if

1405
01:20:12.359 --> 01:20:14.279
I think it was Jim to said that it'd be

1406
01:20:14.319 --> 01:20:17.800
surprising if you're going to take your bathroom break and

1407
01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:19.479
look up and there's a big foot, and I was like,

1408
01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:22.840
oh please, no, there's bushes right above me. So I'm

1409
01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:27.640
just starting and I hear screamed no way, no freaking way.

1410
01:20:28.239 --> 01:20:31.079
Just at the exact moment in the canyon we had stopped,

1411
01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:33.760
you could see the canopy of the sky for just

1412
01:20:33.800 --> 01:20:37.119
a little bit above us, and she goes, what in

1413
01:20:37.199 --> 01:20:39.640
the freak is that? And Todd looked up and was like,

1414
01:20:39.680 --> 01:20:43.439
what is that? And they saw starlak. There was just

1415
01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:46.800
a little part of open trees there that they could

1416
01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:49.880
see the But the way the way the day was

1417
01:20:49.920 --> 01:20:52.840
going on, you know, like Case said, I wouldn't be

1418
01:20:52.840 --> 01:20:55.960
surprised if it was a UFO. But going down when

1419
01:20:55.960 --> 01:20:59.960
we ran into those those cabins with the lights she paid.

1420
01:21:00.439 --> 01:21:02.119
She was like, they're surrounding us. And I was like,

1421
01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:04.880
oh my gosh, just let me get out of this place.

1422
01:21:05.159 --> 01:21:08.439
I will never go back here again. We get back

1423
01:21:08.439 --> 01:21:11.399
to the truck and Jim goes, are you guys done

1424
01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:13.439
for the night, And all of us were like nope.

1425
01:21:13.479 --> 01:21:15.720
I said, Jim, I will never go back to that

1426
01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:19.159
spot ever again. But let's go if you got another spot.

1427
01:21:19.359 --> 01:21:23.199
So he takes us to this creepiest spot. I would

1428
01:21:23.199 --> 01:21:24.880
tell you the name because I can't even remember what

1429
01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:30.239
it was, Todd Mike. But it has grass and bushes

1430
01:21:30.279 --> 01:21:34.159
and trees so thick. If I took two steps off

1431
01:21:34.479 --> 01:21:37.560
that dirt road there, you would not see me. I

1432
01:21:37.560 --> 01:21:40.560
could grab people as there were walking by, and Jim

1433
01:21:41.039 --> 01:21:45.079
brought up that they had some issues with somebody was

1434
01:21:46.159 --> 01:21:48.319
had kidnapped some kids or something up in that area.

1435
01:21:48.319 --> 01:21:50.159
And just as he said it, we ran into this

1436
01:21:50.239 --> 01:21:52.319
white creepy vand on the right side. I was like,

1437
01:21:52.359 --> 01:21:54.800
you've got to be kidney. So we go up and

1438
01:21:54.800 --> 01:21:57.199
he goes, let's just sit here and listen, he said,

1439
01:21:57.239 --> 01:21:59.920
cause a lot of times people I've been up here

1440
01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:03.199
with my researcher and we'll hear whoops and see some eyeglow.

1441
01:22:04.520 --> 01:22:06.840
No sooner did he see that say that, than we

1442
01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:11.319
seen two red eye, two red ice, and then another

1443
01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:14.920
set of red ice, and we heard whoop. I was like,

1444
01:22:15.199 --> 01:22:18.920
no way, we just heard our first whoop from a bigfoot. Ever,

1445
01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:22.600
everybody was like, whoa, that's so cool. And it turned

1446
01:22:22.640 --> 01:22:26.279
out there was some teenage or young kids. It was bigfoot.

1447
01:22:26.359 --> 01:22:30.079
Hontey had red lights on and Caen that kind of

1448
01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:34.000
tor gym off. So we decided to leave and I'll

1449
01:22:34.079 --> 01:22:35.960
let Todd. Oh. We ran into some freaky guy that

1450
01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:39.760
spotlight est. But as we left, we stopped and again

1451
01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:41.920
there's a meteor shower right above us. I was like,

1452
01:22:41.960 --> 01:22:46.239
what everything is just happening at the perfect time. We

1453
01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:50.279
get off this road, tell everybody goodbye, start to head back.

1454
01:22:52.279 --> 01:22:55.800
Somebody comes up on me and Todd real fast, real fast,

1455
01:22:56.279 --> 01:22:58.880
with their lights flash and I was like, oh, maybe

1456
01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:02.920
that's Jim. Maybe we left something. And Todd turned around.

1457
01:23:02.920 --> 01:23:05.479
It was like, it's not Jim, don't stop. They're flashing

1458
01:23:05.560 --> 01:23:08.640
me and right on my rear, right on my rear.

1459
01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:10.399
We're going around these canyon walls, and I was like,

1460
01:23:10.399 --> 01:23:12.800
this is going to be the time that some deer

1461
01:23:12.960 --> 01:23:15.079
bear Bigfoot's going to right and run right in front

1462
01:23:15.079 --> 01:23:16.399
of me. I'm gonna have to slam on my brake

1463
01:23:16.479 --> 01:23:20.119
and this yo yo behind me will hit me in

1464
01:23:20.159 --> 01:23:23.479
the rear. That happened for about twenty minutes. We turned

1465
01:23:25.239 --> 01:23:30.520
what was that east? Todd on to I said, eighty

1466
01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:32.279
five to eighty five? We turned east. They went the

1467
01:23:32.279 --> 01:23:34.439
other way, thank god, but I was I could not

1468
01:23:34.560 --> 01:23:37.479
be for that night to be over. I went home

1469
01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:39.520
and I was calculating in my head and there's no

1470
01:23:39.560 --> 01:23:41.680
way this happened. This had to be that, this had

1471
01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:43.920
to be this. I wanted to talk to Todd and

1472
01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:46.119
he was tired from the event. So all night I'm

1473
01:23:46.159 --> 01:23:51.479
just calculating then listening to every sound. Todd, did you

1474
01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:54.159
want to tell him about the whatever that spooky person

1475
01:23:54.239 --> 01:23:55.079
was with the spotlight?

1476
01:23:55.680 --> 01:23:55.920
Oh?

1477
01:23:56.279 --> 01:23:56.479
Yeah.

1478
01:23:56.520 --> 01:23:59.600
When we were coming back down from that, we were

1479
01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:03.479
parked the trailhead and there's a decent sized parking area.

1480
01:24:05.039 --> 01:24:06.800
You know, it wasn't just off you know, a couple

1481
01:24:06.800 --> 01:24:08.520
of cars on the side of the road. We were

1482
01:24:08.600 --> 01:24:12.000
coming back down and you know, after talking about like

1483
01:24:12.279 --> 01:24:14.239
how kind of creepy it was and seeing like the

1484
01:24:14.279 --> 01:24:17.960
kidnapper van and stuff. On the way up, there's a

1485
01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:21.000
house on the left and Jim was driving in his

1486
01:24:21.079 --> 01:24:22.039
truck and you know, it was.

1487
01:24:22.720 --> 01:24:24.199
Just a normal pickup truck.

1488
01:24:24.199 --> 01:24:26.720
It's not like we had like off road lights or

1489
01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:30.399
he didn't even have his high beams on. And like

1490
01:24:30.479 --> 01:24:33.119
there's this house on the side up on the hill

1491
01:24:33.680 --> 01:24:35.800
and they're like the other lights were on and they

1492
01:24:35.840 --> 01:24:39.319
start like spotlighting nuts and we're.

1493
01:24:39.159 --> 01:24:42.600
Like, what's that all about?

1494
01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:43.079
That?

1495
01:24:43.520 --> 01:24:46.399
You know, we weren't going fast. We were making noise,

1496
01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:50.119
you know, other than the engine basically and the sound

1497
01:24:50.159 --> 01:24:51.640
of driving on the rocks.

1498
01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:54.560
But you know, it was weird.

1499
01:24:54.600 --> 01:24:57.840
And then yeah, we did our we got back to

1500
01:24:57.880 --> 01:25:00.840
where we where we all parked on the side of

1501
01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:04.079
the road, you know, Jim Jim went.

1502
01:25:03.920 --> 01:25:06.359
Home and we talked the the.

1503
01:25:06.399 --> 01:25:08.199
To B and K a little bit, and so I

1504
01:25:08.319 --> 01:25:12.159
saw the meteor shower they were they were staying. They

1505
01:25:12.159 --> 01:25:15.279
were camping in the tent, and we were like, how

1506
01:25:15.319 --> 01:25:18.520
fun with that, Like we got a cabin, Like at

1507
01:25:18.600 --> 01:25:22.319
least we have some solid walls. But yeah, driving out

1508
01:25:22.359 --> 01:25:25.119
that road going back to two eighty five and that

1509
01:25:25.680 --> 01:25:27.880
car came up, it was one of those like out

1510
01:25:27.880 --> 01:25:32.319
of nowhere and yeah, with them flashing their lights and everything,

1511
01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:36.239
I was like, this isn't cool at all, and I

1512
01:25:36.359 --> 01:25:39.079
just yeah, I just told Mike, don't don't stop, don't

1513
01:25:39.159 --> 01:25:44.159
let them, don't pull over, like like it's it seems

1514
01:25:44.199 --> 01:25:47.359
like a bad situation. But yeah, we got out the

1515
01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:49.239
two eighty five and I was like, there's a gas

1516
01:25:49.279 --> 01:25:53.039
station out there, you know, if we got to pull over,

1517
01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:55.600
that's where we pull over. And at least like someone

1518
01:25:55.680 --> 01:25:58.840
will you know, be a witness to whatever might happen.

1519
01:25:58.920 --> 01:26:01.880
But it was just it was just a weird, weird

1520
01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:06.000
way to kind of end the night. And then yeah,

1521
01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:08.600
we went we went back to the cabin we were

1522
01:26:08.640 --> 01:26:15.239
staying at, and it was like obviously had a had

1523
01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:18.680
adrenaline spike along the way. I know I had one

1524
01:26:18.720 --> 01:26:22.920
whenever we were sitting in the truck and we heard

1525
01:26:22.640 --> 01:26:25.079
we saw the red lights and then we heard the whoop,

1526
01:26:25.079 --> 01:26:25.800
and it was like.

1527
01:26:27.479 --> 01:26:28.239
They're here too.

1528
01:26:28.399 --> 01:26:32.239
Like it was like this like huge thrill, but like

1529
01:26:32.279 --> 01:26:35.600
we're sitting there like in the dark, like almost waiting

1530
01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:39.640
for like this big foot to like come like shake

1531
01:26:39.720 --> 01:26:42.079
the truck or slap the truck or something at that

1532
01:26:42.159 --> 01:26:45.840
point from you know, other people's stories. But yeah, there

1533
01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:49.319
was there was like four or five college kids. I'm

1534
01:26:49.359 --> 01:26:52.359
guessing they were coming down, but they had these weird

1535
01:26:52.479 --> 01:26:56.760
red lights that were kind of like they looked like

1536
01:26:56.920 --> 01:27:00.159
lasers in that as they were like we saw like

1537
01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:02.800
just a red light and then as they got closer

1538
01:27:02.840 --> 01:27:05.680
you could see it like it was like a laser.

1539
01:27:05.439 --> 01:27:07.800
Kind of thing. But we kind of, I don't know,

1540
01:27:07.960 --> 01:27:09.720
kind of wrote that off as.

1541
01:27:11.439 --> 01:27:13.680
There they were out well they were either just out

1542
01:27:13.760 --> 01:27:17.720
drinking making noise, but they're they were probably out like

1543
01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:22.600
trying to find Bigfoot two, just being being loud about

1544
01:27:22.640 --> 01:27:26.760
it and all that, but it was, it was It

1545
01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:29.199
was super disappointing at that point because you're like, this

1546
01:27:29.359 --> 01:27:32.520
is it or this is like this is the next step, and.

1547
01:27:34.159 --> 01:27:35.399
It wasn't anything.

1548
01:27:35.560 --> 01:27:41.319
But but yeah, finding out like, yeah, Jim was not

1549
01:27:41.479 --> 01:27:46.399
happy about that, and uh well, the funny part was

1550
01:27:46.399 --> 01:27:48.359
was we were sitting there with the lights out and everything,

1551
01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:53.199
and we sat there for a few minutes, not making

1552
01:27:53.199 --> 01:27:54.880
the noise, and then all of a sudden, he just

1553
01:27:55.000 --> 01:27:58.159
like turns his lights on, turns the angel on, and

1554
01:27:58.199 --> 01:28:01.319
the kids, the people there, you know, twenty feet away

1555
01:28:01.359 --> 01:28:04.319
from us at that point, they just freaked out, like,

1556
01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:06.439
oh my god, there's people there.

1557
01:28:07.359 --> 01:28:10.000
So we at least got the We got them back

1558
01:28:10.039 --> 01:28:10.359
a little.

1559
01:28:10.359 --> 01:28:13.560
If nothing else, Yeah, that night, my nerves would have

1560
01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:17.399
been shot along with you guys. There's a few things

1561
01:28:17.439 --> 01:28:22.199
you said where I just don't have any explanation for him.

1562
01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:27.279
One the blog you saw going along the tree branches,

1563
01:28:27.319 --> 01:28:33.920
and then the shimmer as well. It kind of reminds

1564
01:28:33.960 --> 01:28:39.600
me of some sightings people have had where it maybe

1565
01:28:39.760 --> 01:28:43.159
kind of a predator effect or then you have have

1566
01:28:43.199 --> 01:28:47.560
you guys heard the Adam Davies account from southern Oregon. No,

1567
01:28:48.239 --> 01:28:51.840
it's an old one, well maybe about ten fifteen years

1568
01:28:51.880 --> 01:28:56.079
ago and seeing the portal in the woods somewhere in Oregon,

1569
01:28:57.119 --> 01:29:03.640
but they actually saw things come out of it, just weird, weird, weird,

1570
01:29:03.680 --> 01:29:07.680
weird stuff after that night, Did you guys continue to

1571
01:29:07.720 --> 01:29:12.159
have weird stuff happen back at your homes or is

1572
01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:14.239
it just that's kind of like a one time deal

1573
01:29:14.560 --> 01:29:15.680
for you guys?

1574
01:29:17.039 --> 01:29:21.159
Oh are you ready for this, Jerebiah.

1575
01:29:21.239 --> 01:29:23.039
Yeah, well there you're going.

1576
01:29:23.920 --> 01:29:31.520
I get home and I tell Todd I have so

1577
01:29:31.720 --> 01:29:34.520
I have an alarm system in my house. You know,

1578
01:29:34.680 --> 01:29:38.600
it's blank. Basically why I have it, it's cameras. There's

1579
01:29:38.600 --> 01:29:41.199
one in my room, there's one in the living room,

1580
01:29:41.640 --> 01:29:45.960
the dining room downstairs, and I have some outside. It's

1581
01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:49.399
because my mom has dementia. So when we're away from

1582
01:29:49.399 --> 01:29:51.520
the house, I want to make sure my mom's finding

1583
01:29:51.600 --> 01:29:55.159
hasn't fallen her. It's she's wandered outside a couple of times,

1584
01:29:55.199 --> 01:29:58.720
so I have to call the neighbors if she's doing stuff.

1585
01:29:58.840 --> 01:30:01.920
We we we tried not to keep her at home

1586
01:30:01.960 --> 01:30:04.359
alone because it's bad news when we do. So I

1587
01:30:04.399 --> 01:30:07.560
have cameras on my house. I don't activate the inside

1588
01:30:07.600 --> 01:30:09.680
one's ebber because we're here and they'll go off all

1589
01:30:09.720 --> 01:30:12.760
the time with our cats. I go back to work

1590
01:30:12.760 --> 01:30:14.560
and I tell Todd. I was like, I sent Todd

1591
01:30:14.560 --> 01:30:15.920
a picture. I was like, you got to see this.

1592
01:30:16.720 --> 01:30:23.560
This is the craziest thing. My camera in my bedroom

1593
01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:26.680
time lapsed. It wasn't on, but a time lapsed and

1594
01:30:26.720 --> 01:30:28.680
showed me moving in the bed, moving in the bed.

1595
01:30:28.760 --> 01:30:31.039
So I wasn't sleeping good, but I was moving, moving,

1596
01:30:31.119 --> 01:30:38.119
moving around. And then there's a photo that's right at

1597
01:30:38.119 --> 01:30:40.479
the very end. It looks like so I have my window.

1598
01:30:41.159 --> 01:30:44.199
I have a king bed. I have a big window

1599
01:30:44.239 --> 01:30:46.800
to the right, big window to the left, to the right.

1600
01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:51.239
I keep that window up about well the sheet. I

1601
01:30:51.319 --> 01:30:53.159
keep it up about two feet so the cat could

1602
01:30:53.159 --> 01:30:55.760
look out. If I don't, she tears up my blinds.

1603
01:30:57.279 --> 01:31:00.840
This picture, the best wagon is describe it is it

1604
01:31:00.880 --> 01:31:04.600
looks like a spotlight in the window, bright light, and

1605
01:31:04.880 --> 01:31:09.359
it looks like there is Christmas Garland wrapped around my camera.

1606
01:31:09.520 --> 01:31:12.960
That's about the best way I could describe it. I

1607
01:31:13.000 --> 01:31:15.159
sent it to Todd, and Todd showed his wife, and

1608
01:31:15.199 --> 01:31:17.840
his wife was like, Mike needs to burn sage around

1609
01:31:17.840 --> 01:31:24.000
his house now. After that, weird things has been happening,

1610
01:31:24.960 --> 01:31:26.960
you know, and you hear the hitchhiker fact, and I'm

1611
01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:31.399
telling people be careful doing things. It's kind of spooked me,

1612
01:31:31.439 --> 01:31:36.199
but weird things have been happening around the house. My

1613
01:31:36.319 --> 01:31:39.159
mom thought she saw some big dude looking in the back.

1614
01:31:39.319 --> 01:31:41.640
We have a back She's been sleeping on the couch

1615
01:31:41.880 --> 01:31:45.279
and I don't know how. I don't know if it's

1616
01:31:45.319 --> 01:31:48.159
the dementia or if it's actually her, but she said

1617
01:31:48.159 --> 01:31:50.720
somebody big was looking in the back. I have a

1618
01:31:50.760 --> 01:31:53.800
back door and it's almost all glass staring at her.

1619
01:31:53.840 --> 01:31:56.000
She screamed. I got up, went run and flipped on

1620
01:31:56.039 --> 01:31:57.840
the light. I didn't see anything. I couldn't find anything.

1621
01:31:58.319 --> 01:32:00.560
But she wouldn't sleep unless I put a blanket to

1622
01:32:00.560 --> 01:32:02.640
cover that door, so I did. There's a blanket up

1623
01:32:02.640 --> 01:32:07.359
there now. But the last it's weird. The last couple

1624
01:32:07.399 --> 01:32:12.279
of days before we called you, the lady in the

1625
01:32:12.319 --> 01:32:14.880
Sasquatch out post told me. He said, sometimes there's a

1626
01:32:14.920 --> 01:32:18.439
hitchhiker effect. Sometimes they'll follow you home and me and

1627
01:32:18.640 --> 01:32:22.119
Todd it gave me an interview with somebody in Denver,

1628
01:32:22.199 --> 01:32:26.439
where dog men followed them home on an incident, and

1629
01:32:26.479 --> 01:32:28.039
I told Todd, we ever run in a dog man.

1630
01:32:28.119 --> 01:32:30.399
It's our last time going out. I don't wan anything

1631
01:32:30.439 --> 01:32:33.279
to do with that stuff. But I put in rocks

1632
01:32:33.319 --> 01:32:37.039
outside my window here my bathroom window. Hi just high.

1633
01:32:37.079 --> 01:32:40.760
I was like she said, sometimes things happen and around

1634
01:32:40.800 --> 01:32:42.880
your house and you don't notice it. So with the

1635
01:32:42.920 --> 01:32:45.800
weird things that's been going on, the rocks were moved,

1636
01:32:46.079 --> 01:32:50.920
not into a word, which again I again, we have snakes,

1637
01:32:51.439 --> 01:32:53.560
some bull snakes around here. Maybe they move the rocks

1638
01:32:55.079 --> 01:32:58.720
and I will find these white rocks around the house.

1639
01:32:58.760 --> 01:33:01.439
It's just weird. We don't have any like it almost

1640
01:33:01.439 --> 01:33:07.760
looks like crystal. The last three days it sounded like

1641
01:33:07.800 --> 01:33:10.960
a helicopter. I got a message from my neighbor. It said,

1642
01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:14.279
did you hear the helicopter going over the house the

1643
01:33:14.359 --> 01:33:18.159
other night? Said it. I looked out the window. I said, yeah,

1644
01:33:18.159 --> 01:33:19.880
I heard. It sounded like it was right on my roof.

1645
01:33:19.960 --> 01:33:22.640
It was so loud. Our neighbor Tom looked down and

1646
01:33:22.640 --> 01:33:25.520
said there was no lights on it. I could see it.

1647
01:33:26.039 --> 01:33:29.680
He said, I can make the outline because of the moon.

1648
01:33:29.760 --> 01:33:33.000
But he said there was no lights on it, and

1649
01:33:33.039 --> 01:33:35.800
it was so loud, Jeremiah, it sounded like it was

1650
01:33:35.880 --> 01:33:39.439
right on top. The night after that, we heard it again,

1651
01:33:39.479 --> 01:33:43.119
but it wasn't as loud last night. I haven't even

1652
01:33:43.119 --> 01:33:46.239
told Toad this. I haven't talked to him. But it's

1653
01:33:46.399 --> 01:33:47.920
starting to warm up a little bit. So I have

1654
01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:51.680
my bathroom window open, just cracked about five six inches

1655
01:33:51.680 --> 01:33:53.319
on the cat can get in there. I usually don't.

1656
01:33:53.359 --> 01:33:57.119
It freaks me out that back part of the back door.

1657
01:33:57.119 --> 01:33:59.600
Some it just makes it freaks me out. Although I

1658
01:33:59.640 --> 01:34:01.319
do have my window open on the right side. I

1659
01:34:01.439 --> 01:34:03.600
leave that, but that when the bathroom just freaks me

1660
01:34:03.640 --> 01:34:07.239
out for some reason. But I lay in here, I

1661
01:34:07.279 --> 01:34:10.520
hear a whistle. I swear to god, it was like

1662
01:34:12.079 --> 01:34:14.560
and I jumped up immediately. I was just getting ready

1663
01:34:14.560 --> 01:34:16.119
to go to sleep. I hadn't yet. I just put

1664
01:34:16.199 --> 01:34:17.760
my cell phone down jumped up because I was like,

1665
01:34:17.800 --> 01:34:20.720
Oh crap, something's happened to my mom. Run out there.

1666
01:34:20.760 --> 01:34:23.640
My mom and dad are bull sleep. Come back in here.

1667
01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:26.000
And I was like, oh no. I ran to the

1668
01:34:26.039 --> 01:34:28.479
bathroom and lowered the window without looking out of it

1669
01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:31.800
and locked it. I was like, nope, if there's something

1670
01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:35.079
around here, I am not engaging. I don't want anything here,

1671
01:34:36.079 --> 01:34:39.840
but it's just been weird things going around like and

1672
01:34:39.880 --> 01:34:42.399
I can't. I'm having some health issues, so I'm not

1673
01:34:42.399 --> 01:34:44.520
sleeping in my bed right now. And when I I've

1674
01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:46.960
got a recliner right by my bed and that's what

1675
01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:49.359
I've been sleeping in. But when I lay in my bed,

1676
01:34:51.720 --> 01:34:56.880
I it's almost I have it's a fear and I

1677
01:34:56.920 --> 01:34:58.800
don't know what it is, but something doesn't want me.

1678
01:34:58.880 --> 01:35:00.520
They lay in the bed, so I come over here.

1679
01:35:01.159 --> 01:35:02.479
The other day, I tried to get in my bed

1680
01:35:02.520 --> 01:35:04.920
and twenty minutes later, I was like, nope, coming back

1681
01:35:04.920 --> 01:35:08.159
to the chair. I don't know what. If it's just

1682
01:35:09.760 --> 01:35:12.479
nerves or what, but there's something is going on around here.

1683
01:35:12.520 --> 01:35:15.720
It's weird. But I won't go back to that place

1684
01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:18.720
at all. And I almost I told Todd, I wonder

1685
01:35:18.800 --> 01:35:22.520
if Kay transferred some kind of energy to me or something.

1686
01:35:22.560 --> 01:35:25.439
And I don't know. I don't know what happened, but

1687
01:35:25.720 --> 01:35:28.119
I had the worst night of my life when we

1688
01:35:28.159 --> 01:35:30.800
went there and I and Jim has asked me, are

1689
01:35:30.800 --> 01:35:33.960
you guys coming up this year? And I was like, no, no,

1690
01:35:34.239 --> 01:35:38.039
I can't do it. I've got some health oh, and

1691
01:35:38.159 --> 01:35:39.640
I heard one of your shows. I think it was

1692
01:35:39.680 --> 01:35:43.479
your show about a detached Redna. Three months ago, I

1693
01:35:43.640 --> 01:35:46.399
have a detached Redna and two horseshoes, so I have

1694
01:35:46.399 --> 01:35:48.760
a horseshoeeir, I see a bright light in my eye.

1695
01:35:48.840 --> 01:35:51.119
Go to the eye doctor said it's in my right

1696
01:35:51.159 --> 01:35:54.119
eye seeing a bright light. It hurt and he was like, no, right,

1697
01:35:54.159 --> 01:35:57.319
Alex Cood. Months later, I go in there for my

1698
01:35:58.119 --> 01:36:01.319
follow ups year whatever it is. He looks at my

1699
01:36:01.359 --> 01:36:02.880
left eye and was like, can I dilate it? And

1700
01:36:02.880 --> 01:36:04.239
I said no, I got to go back to work.

1701
01:36:04.279 --> 01:36:07.119
I can't. He said, well, there's this test. It's your

1702
01:36:07.119 --> 01:36:08.840
insurance won't pay for it, but I want to see

1703
01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:11.399
there's something wrong with that eye and I said sure.

1704
01:36:12.000 --> 01:36:14.560
Comes back and said it's emergency, but not right now,

1705
01:36:14.600 --> 01:36:17.479
but we got to get you down to Colorado because

1706
01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:20.680
you got a horseshoe tear. And I was like okay.

1707
01:36:21.039 --> 01:36:23.640
A couple days later, go down to Greeley. The surgeon goes,

1708
01:36:23.680 --> 01:36:25.119
I can't do it here. We're gonna have to send

1709
01:36:25.159 --> 01:36:28.960
you to Longmont at a bigger facility because your eye detached.

1710
01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:32.840
You're redta detached. The next day I go down there

1711
01:36:32.920 --> 01:36:34.720
and he was like, you got two horseshoe tears and

1712
01:36:34.760 --> 01:36:37.520
I said, how is what happened? What am I doing?

1713
01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:40.079
He said, trauma to your eye. I was like, there's

1714
01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:42.199
no trauma in my eye and he said, well, the

1715
01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:45.479
it could be because you're getting up in age. And

1716
01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:48.680
I was like, two horseshoe tears and a detached retina.

1717
01:36:49.279 --> 01:36:52.680
I was like, he can't give any other answers in

1718
01:36:52.720 --> 01:36:55.359
it real, We don't know. It's rare. He said, it's

1719
01:36:55.439 --> 01:36:58.279
very rare. And he tells me after they put this

1720
01:36:58.399 --> 01:37:02.399
little nitrogen id bubble in my eye for the detached retina,

1721
01:37:03.159 --> 01:37:05.119
you will have to have surgery in the next couple

1722
01:37:05.159 --> 01:37:10.079
of months for cataract. Go to my eye doctor. I've

1723
01:37:10.119 --> 01:37:12.199
been going to him for the last every two weeks

1724
01:37:12.199 --> 01:37:16.079
and he was like, huh, where's your cataract? And I

1725
01:37:16.119 --> 01:37:17.199
was like, what do you mean. He said, well, there

1726
01:37:17.199 --> 01:37:19.479
should be a cataract. You should be having a cataract

1727
01:37:19.520 --> 01:37:23.399
from that surgery. He said, ninety eight point two percent

1728
01:37:23.439 --> 01:37:25.920
of the population has that within two three months. And

1729
01:37:25.960 --> 01:37:28.079
I was like, Charlie Brown effect. I'm on the other

1730
01:37:28.119 --> 01:37:31.199
side of the bell curve all the time. So knock

1731
01:37:31.279 --> 01:37:33.880
on wood no cataract, but it's just one weird thing

1732
01:37:33.880 --> 01:37:35.680
after another. And my health is kind of I'm having

1733
01:37:35.760 --> 01:37:39.479
health issues now with my lungs and hearts. So I

1734
01:37:39.520 --> 01:37:43.720
had to get this story out before you know, who knows,

1735
01:37:43.840 --> 01:37:47.399
because you know, only God knows when we're going to go.

1736
01:37:49.319 --> 01:37:51.680
Like, I'm sorry to hear that you're you're having those

1737
01:37:51.720 --> 01:37:55.479
health issues and I hope that's able to turn around.

1738
01:37:55.520 --> 01:38:00.479
Man, Thank you. Wow. There's one more thing I want

1739
01:38:00.479 --> 01:38:04.159
to say real quick. My friend Bob that was in

1740
01:38:04.520 --> 01:38:07.439
you know, always fishing with me, had these things that

1741
01:38:07.520 --> 01:38:10.840
happening up there by Christo and Granite kirk Yadi State

1742
01:38:10.880 --> 01:38:14.319
Park and up in the Medicine Bow National Force of

1743
01:38:14.359 --> 01:38:18.520
Snowy Ranger up at Lake Owen. He was a skeptic,

1744
01:38:18.840 --> 01:38:20.479
you know, and he would always laugh. My mom would

1745
01:38:20.479 --> 01:38:22.960
watch finding in Bigfoot and I was like younger, I

1746
01:38:23.039 --> 01:38:26.760
was like, Bigfoot was definitely you know, cave man. Now

1747
01:38:26.800 --> 01:38:29.279
there's it can't be it can't be anything but some

1748
01:38:29.359 --> 01:38:32.239
kind of To me, it's got to be some kind

1749
01:38:32.279 --> 01:38:37.720
of inter dimensional being, you know, a person. There's no

1750
01:38:37.760 --> 01:38:39.439
way it's a cave man or a gorilla. No way.

1751
01:38:39.840 --> 01:38:42.000
There's just too many weird things with it. But he

1752
01:38:42.119 --> 01:38:44.520
used to hunt up there by Lake Ow and as

1753
01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:47.239
a crow flies probably five miles up by. It's up

1754
01:38:47.279 --> 01:38:50.319
by Battle Mountain and the Knill Divide up in that area,

1755
01:38:51.039 --> 01:38:54.520
and he would go up with about ten or twelve people.

1756
01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:56.239
I'd go up. I wasn't a hunter, but I would

1757
01:38:56.279 --> 01:38:58.319
go and eat the food and fish I love. I

1758
01:38:58.319 --> 01:39:00.680
would take off and fish from you know, away from them,

1759
01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:02.880
and he would meet me a lot of times at

1760
01:39:02.960 --> 01:39:07.439
like going to rob Roy and fish. One time he

1761
01:39:07.439 --> 01:39:09.760
he gets up at three point thirty in the morning, Jeremiah,

1762
01:39:09.800 --> 01:39:12.880
and we'll walk for two hours, get into a tree

1763
01:39:12.920 --> 01:39:15.399
stand and hunt all day. The rest of the group

1764
01:39:15.479 --> 01:39:18.760
liked to roadkill, you know, road hunts, so he wasn't

1765
01:39:18.760 --> 01:39:25.439
into that. But one time something happened, and his story

1766
01:39:26.239 --> 01:39:28.840
was it something came in he doesn't know how, and

1767
01:39:29.079 --> 01:39:32.159
then you know, this guy's a great hunter. Something snuck

1768
01:39:32.239 --> 01:39:34.880
up on him, circled the tree around where he was at,

1769
01:39:35.039 --> 01:39:40.359
took a big, stinky crap, and then left. He was

1770
01:39:40.399 --> 01:39:42.720
shaken and he would tell me something and I was like,

1771
01:39:42.720 --> 01:39:44.720
what is it? A squirrel? And my dad start laughing.

1772
01:39:44.720 --> 01:39:46.760
He goes no, and I was like a bear, No,

1773
01:39:47.640 --> 01:39:49.239
I was like, how big is it? He goes, I

1774
01:39:49.279 --> 01:39:51.479
don't know. He never wanted to tell me, and we

1775
01:39:52.000 --> 01:39:55.199
made fun of him because he was just one of

1776
01:39:55.199 --> 01:39:58.199
those friends you know that it was. You have somebody

1777
01:39:58.279 --> 01:40:01.039
in the group that always something happens to them that's funny,

1778
01:40:01.039 --> 01:40:04.199
and and I love this guy dearly. He passed away

1779
01:40:04.239 --> 01:40:08.039
three years ago with COVID, but he had told it

1780
01:40:08.039 --> 01:40:10.760
broke my heart. I'm probably gonna hope I don't cry

1781
01:40:10.800 --> 01:40:12.760
on this, but he broke my heart. He told somebody

1782
01:40:12.840 --> 01:40:17.840
that he thinks he had a sasquatch sighting or something

1783
01:40:17.880 --> 01:40:19.800
similar to that. He wasn't sure what it was. It

1784
01:40:19.840 --> 01:40:22.439
scared him so bad he wouldn't He gave up that tree,

1785
01:40:22.479 --> 01:40:26.119
standing wouldn't walk back there anymore. He wrote Hunt with

1786
01:40:26.159 --> 01:40:30.279
his nephew and brother in law and stuff, and hearing that,

1787
01:40:30.359 --> 01:40:33.239
I just wanted just to plead everybody. You don't make

1788
01:40:33.279 --> 01:40:36.760
fun of people, you know, and it's easy to mock

1789
01:40:36.840 --> 01:40:40.159
people until you have that. But it broke my heart.

1790
01:40:40.199 --> 01:40:44.479
When I was at his funeral and knowing that he

1791
01:40:44.560 --> 01:40:47.479
couldn't tell me stuff like that because we were laughing

1792
01:40:47.520 --> 01:40:52.279
about it, I knew it was going to get me emotional.

1793
01:40:53.600 --> 01:40:59.640
An issue, buddy.

1794
01:40:59.640 --> 01:41:03.640
Thank you for sharing that that I know that was

1795
01:41:03.720 --> 01:41:05.760
that was hard hard to share, Mike.

1796
01:41:06.720 --> 01:41:16.359
It was amassing. I'm sorry, Jeremiah, You're killing.

1797
01:41:17.520 --> 01:41:19.520
It gets me hearing about it, and I've heard it

1798
01:41:19.600 --> 01:41:23.119
before from you and I never met the guy, and

1799
01:41:23.159 --> 01:41:28.079
I'm like, I totally understand how how you feel about that?

1800
01:41:28.680 --> 01:41:31.600
Yeah, I wish I could talk to him now about it,

1801
01:41:33.520 --> 01:41:36.239
but you know, it's just I, like I was telling Todd,

1802
01:41:36.279 --> 01:41:38.399
I got to get this out in case something happened.

1803
01:41:38.399 --> 01:41:41.039
Nobody would know about. You know, these things, and you

1804
01:41:41.119 --> 01:41:42.880
got to You just gotta be careful. He could bring

1805
01:41:42.920 --> 01:41:47.119
stuff home. I just had some weird stuff here and

1806
01:41:48.119 --> 01:41:51.079
I haven't seen anything, and I haven't That whistle last

1807
01:41:51.159 --> 01:41:52.960
night was just crazy. I was like, there's no way

1808
01:41:53.760 --> 01:41:55.720
I'm gonna come on this show. It's like it, you know,

1809
01:41:55.800 --> 01:41:58.880
it's it just like things happen, you know where some

1810
01:41:58.920 --> 01:42:03.119
of your guests get blurred out. It's just like certain things.

1811
01:42:03.279 --> 01:42:06.279
You know, it's just weird. You just can't explain.

1812
01:42:06.359 --> 01:42:13.760
It's it's extremely weird. See, I didn't catch that the

1813
01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:16.520
first thing you're saying. The whistle happened last night.

1814
01:42:16.920 --> 01:42:20.960
Last night, and it came from my bathroom window. It

1815
01:42:21.039 --> 01:42:22.680
had to because I thought it was my mom. I

1816
01:42:22.800 --> 01:42:25.399
ran because she's in the living room, you know, I'm

1817
01:42:25.399 --> 01:42:28.119
in this recliner chair. And I got up and ran

1818
01:42:28.159 --> 01:42:29.880
to her and they were both out and I came

1819
01:42:29.920 --> 01:42:32.439
in and was like nope, nope, nope, went right to

1820
01:42:32.479 --> 01:42:35.920
the bathroom, put my hand into the curtain. I was like, God, something,

1821
01:42:35.960 --> 01:42:38.159
don't grab my hand. And I put that window down

1822
01:42:38.199 --> 01:42:40.800
and I was like, nope, not going to respond, not

1823
01:42:40.840 --> 01:42:44.640
going to do anything. But it's just it's weird. And

1824
01:42:44.680 --> 01:42:48.199
you know what, I live in Ruer area of Cheyenne.

1825
01:42:48.199 --> 01:42:52.840
There's there's no trees for this. I'm out here and

1826
01:42:52.960 --> 01:42:56.079
there's nothing. I mean, you get to these houses, there's trees,

1827
01:42:56.079 --> 01:42:58.680
but there's nothing around here. I mean you'd have to

1828
01:43:00.359 --> 01:43:03.680
there's no way something can come, you know, from it's

1829
01:43:03.800 --> 01:43:05.640
like forty five minutes away to get up into the

1830
01:43:05.680 --> 01:43:09.119
tree area, to come down to the planes here and

1831
01:43:09.159 --> 01:43:12.039
not be seen, you know, just like that thing at

1832
01:43:12.039 --> 01:43:15.399
the casino and Oklahoma. And it's it's just weird. There's

1833
01:43:15.399 --> 01:43:18.600
got to be more than they're just running to places.

1834
01:43:20.079 --> 01:43:24.680
Oh and in Jeremiah end on a funny note. So

1835
01:43:25.039 --> 01:43:28.439
my little wish, you know, to if Bigfoot was real

1836
01:43:28.479 --> 01:43:33.079
to throw a rock at Todd? Right, Todd, do you

1837
01:43:33.159 --> 01:43:35.840
want to tell him what happened to you? Yeah?

1838
01:43:35.920 --> 01:43:41.159
I was gonna add that. So I thought.

1839
01:43:40.880 --> 01:43:44.800
Of something that I completely forgot about on our night hike.

1840
01:43:45.920 --> 01:43:47.640
And this like.

1841
01:43:49.279 --> 01:43:55.600
On our way out, somewhere between the whole starlink thing

1842
01:43:55.680 --> 01:43:59.840
and the sounds or whatever, there was a helicopter flying it.

1843
01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:04.199
I you know, just kind of weird. You know, We're

1844
01:44:04.239 --> 01:44:07.000
all like, oh, that's weird. We're going to have that

1845
01:44:07.199 --> 01:44:09.199
the black helicopter thing going on now.

1846
01:44:10.159 --> 01:44:18.319
Yeah, and then I I ruled that out sorto. But

1847
01:44:19.560 --> 01:44:23.000
going back that Wednesday, you know, it was in the afternoon,

1848
01:44:23.760 --> 01:44:27.840
and you know, from the spot if I figured we

1849
01:44:27.840 --> 01:44:32.239
were at and looking at the trail map and the

1850
01:44:32.319 --> 01:44:36.000
map of Colorado, that helicopter was heading towards Denver.

1851
01:44:36.159 --> 01:44:38.880
So it could have been like a life light helicopter

1852
01:44:39.039 --> 01:44:41.880
or something like that. But it was just a weird coincidence.

1853
01:44:42.720 --> 01:44:47.760
But it gets weirder because on that Wednesday, one of

1854
01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:53.720
these the cargo helicopters, the double rotor helicopter, the military ones,

1855
01:44:54.720 --> 01:45:00.359
was flying basically the same path. When I I was

1856
01:45:00.479 --> 01:45:04.199
leaving on my hike, and I was like, that's really

1857
01:45:04.239 --> 01:45:09.279
strange because there's not really a military base where it

1858
01:45:09.319 --> 01:45:14.000
came from. Where's it going to? What did you know?

1859
01:45:14.039 --> 01:45:16.359
What are they doing kind of thing? And I was like,

1860
01:45:16.399 --> 01:45:19.199
it's just a weird coincidence. It's just a weird coincidence.

1861
01:45:19.720 --> 01:45:23.479
But like, you know, you don't you don't generally get

1862
01:45:23.520 --> 01:45:27.720
helicopters flying out in the mountains in Colorado, you know.

1863
01:45:27.960 --> 01:45:30.239
And I'm like, unless that's like a maybe it's a

1864
01:45:30.239 --> 01:45:35.640
flight path kind of thing. But I totally forgot about

1865
01:45:35.680 --> 01:45:39.079
that whole helicopter thing too, and to the weirdness of

1866
01:45:39.119 --> 01:45:39.439
the night.

1867
01:45:41.000 --> 01:45:45.359
And then you know, Mike's saying about the asking him

1868
01:45:45.399 --> 01:45:45.920
to throw.

1869
01:45:45.760 --> 01:45:49.199
Something at me, you know, and he didn't tell me

1870
01:45:49.239 --> 01:45:52.199
that at the time. He tells me after the fact.

1871
01:45:53.359 --> 01:45:59.159
But let me see, So last year, last last.

1872
01:45:58.920 --> 01:46:05.560
May, for go go up with my family to Bailey.

1873
01:46:05.680 --> 01:46:09.800
I had back surgery on May seventh, and this was

1874
01:46:09.840 --> 01:46:13.960
on the nineteenth, so technically I had no business being

1875
01:46:14.000 --> 01:46:15.840
out in the out in the mountains in the woods,

1876
01:46:15.880 --> 01:46:19.079
but I felt really good and it was kind of

1877
01:46:19.079 --> 01:46:22.439
a just we went to a the it's dispersed camping,

1878
01:46:23.319 --> 01:46:25.600
but we were just going for the day, you know,

1879
01:46:26.119 --> 01:46:29.479
having a having a fire, sitting around, you know, just

1880
01:46:29.680 --> 01:46:32.079
having a kind of chill day with with the family.

1881
01:46:34.399 --> 01:46:38.960
So where we were at there, there's a giant boulder

1882
01:46:41.439 --> 01:46:43.039
and you kind of pool around it.

1883
01:46:42.960 --> 01:46:43.279
And.

1884
01:46:44.680 --> 01:46:46.880
The other side of the road is the hillside that

1885
01:46:46.920 --> 01:46:49.319
goes up and there's rocks. So I figured it was

1886
01:46:49.359 --> 01:46:52.439
a good place for my kids to kind of explore

1887
01:46:52.520 --> 01:46:59.159
and do whatever keep them occupied. And didn't have my

1888
01:46:59.279 --> 01:47:07.920
oldest there, but my my middle child, my son, he's

1889
01:47:07.920 --> 01:47:09.720
not really in the big Foot, and he told me

1890
01:47:09.720 --> 01:47:13.279
he doesn't believe in Bigfoot. But we found a nice,

1891
01:47:13.439 --> 01:47:17.159
nice branch and we were doing some tree knocks and

1892
01:47:17.880 --> 01:47:22.520
he starts hitting this boulder and it makes it was

1893
01:47:22.560 --> 01:47:26.720
like the best tree knock, like resident sound that I

1894
01:47:26.800 --> 01:47:31.520
could hear. He was doing that a few times. There's

1895
01:47:31.520 --> 01:47:35.439
nobody around us. We like there was like some firewood

1896
01:47:35.800 --> 01:47:38.720
the next site down and we we we gathered that,

1897
01:47:38.920 --> 01:47:40.279
so we had a little extra wood.

1898
01:47:40.960 --> 01:47:42.520
But you know, we did our thing.

1899
01:47:42.600 --> 01:47:45.239
We we cooked, cooked dinner and stuff, and it was

1900
01:47:45.239 --> 01:47:50.079
getting towards evening and then started cleaning up and I

1901
01:47:50.079 --> 01:47:54.119
couldn't do that much, but I was just like kind

1902
01:47:54.119 --> 01:47:57.279
of organizing things to be like, hey, you know, put

1903
01:47:57.319 --> 01:47:59.479
this in the car next and you know do that,

1904
01:47:59.680 --> 01:48:06.000
you know, kind of directing more than anything. Well, I

1905
01:48:06.039 --> 01:48:08.520
like I would be like if I was I don't

1906
01:48:08.520 --> 01:48:14.039
know which direction compass wise I was facing. But we

1907
01:48:14.119 --> 01:48:17.840
had a little folding table and we have a we

1908
01:48:17.960 --> 01:48:19.600
have a had a yukon.

1909
01:48:20.479 --> 01:48:20.720
You know.

1910
01:48:20.760 --> 01:48:24.920
It was maybe fifteen feet to my left. My son's

1911
01:48:24.960 --> 01:48:27.880
like putting stuff in the back. My wife's behind me,

1912
01:48:29.520 --> 01:48:32.640
and all of a sudden I catch out of my

1913
01:48:32.720 --> 01:48:40.960
peripheral something flying from over the yukon and like kind

1914
01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:45.319
of straight line, you know, like you would you would

1915
01:48:45.319 --> 01:48:47.720
throw a baseball, You're not like throwing it up high

1916
01:48:47.880 --> 01:48:49.039
blob in it.

1917
01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:49.800
It was thrown.

1918
01:48:51.039 --> 01:48:53.600
It almost hit me in the calf, and it was

1919
01:48:53.600 --> 01:48:58.560
thrown hard enough that I could fill the air like

1920
01:48:58.640 --> 01:49:02.840
it was close and it was moving pretty good. Well

1921
01:49:03.800 --> 01:49:06.239
I saw what it was. It was a pine combe,

1922
01:49:07.880 --> 01:49:09.600
and the pine combes they are pretty big there. It

1923
01:49:09.600 --> 01:49:11.720
was probably like the size of the poll in your hands,

1924
01:49:11.800 --> 01:49:16.560
maybe like tennis ball size. And I saw it like

1925
01:49:16.920 --> 01:49:21.399
hit the ground and you know, skip across the ground,

1926
01:49:22.840 --> 01:49:25.800
and immediately I was like not cool, guys, you know,

1927
01:49:26.119 --> 01:49:31.319
I just just had surgery, like like, I don't need

1928
01:49:31.359 --> 01:49:33.079
to be hit with something. I don't need to be

1929
01:49:33.159 --> 01:49:35.119
hit with something that hard, Like that would have hit me.

1930
01:49:35.199 --> 01:49:38.600
It would have hurt, and I'm sure I would have

1931
01:49:38.680 --> 01:49:43.560
like jumped or like stumbled or whatever like it would

1932
01:49:43.560 --> 01:49:46.800
have wouldn't have been a good situation. And they they

1933
01:49:46.880 --> 01:49:49.920
denied it, and I didn't believe them for the longest time.

1934
01:49:50.560 --> 01:49:52.560
But the longer I got I'm like, why would they

1935
01:49:52.640 --> 01:49:54.399
do that to me? But they weren't in the right

1936
01:49:54.439 --> 01:49:59.399
position for the fallow of the line where it came from.

1937
01:49:59.600 --> 01:50:01.800
It came from across the road and up the hill,

1938
01:50:03.079 --> 01:50:09.199
so you know, we all kind of just we're staring

1939
01:50:09.279 --> 01:50:13.159
across the road, like what's over there? You know, where

1940
01:50:13.159 --> 01:50:15.800
would it have come from? It definitely didn't fall Like

1941
01:50:15.920 --> 01:50:18.039
my wife said, she's she saw it out of the

1942
01:50:18.039 --> 01:50:25.039
corner of her eye too now and like, actually, well,

1943
01:50:25.279 --> 01:50:28.399
stupid me. Well it was like I got to see

1944
01:50:28.399 --> 01:50:30.840
if there's something up there. So I go with my

1945
01:50:30.960 --> 01:50:33.079
son and we go up the hill and I'm like

1946
01:50:33.159 --> 01:50:35.800
trying to like get out of him, like he did it,

1947
01:50:35.840 --> 01:50:36.880
but he was like and I.

1948
01:50:36.880 --> 01:50:39.039
Didn't do it, you know, why would I do that?

1949
01:50:39.199 --> 01:50:44.119
But you know, we went up and uh, you know,

1950
01:50:44.159 --> 01:50:46.960
couldn't see anything or you know, nothing seemed out of

1951
01:50:46.960 --> 01:50:49.640
place or you know, different from earlier because we went

1952
01:50:49.720 --> 01:50:53.079
up there earlier. But off in the distance back the

1953
01:50:53.159 --> 01:50:56.119
road where we came from, there is this like loud,

1954
01:50:56.439 --> 01:50:59.720
angry something to yell and angry.

1955
01:50:59.800 --> 01:51:02.359
And it was like, I don't know.

1956
01:51:02.319 --> 01:51:06.960
What that is, but if that's what through the pine cone,

1957
01:51:08.720 --> 01:51:11.640
excuse me, that's I don't want to see it. But

1958
01:51:13.239 --> 01:51:16.319
and I kicked myself too because I'm like, I wish

1959
01:51:16.359 --> 01:51:20.760
we would have stayed to see what it was. But

1960
01:51:20.840 --> 01:51:23.560
I'm glad we didn't stay because maybe we didn't. You know,

1961
01:51:23.840 --> 01:51:27.920
if it's throwing stuff, it wants us gone. And I

1962
01:51:28.000 --> 01:51:29.520
kind of think that's what it was. You know, it

1963
01:51:29.560 --> 01:51:32.680
was you it was getting later, and it wasn't getting

1964
01:51:32.760 --> 01:51:38.199
it wasn't dark, but it was early evening and it

1965
01:51:38.239 --> 01:51:38.560
was just.

1966
01:51:38.640 --> 01:51:39.640
It was just a weird thing.

1967
01:51:39.720 --> 01:51:43.079
But then I tell Mike about this, like, you'll never

1968
01:51:43.119 --> 01:51:49.000
believe what happened to me, and he's like, yeah, that

1969
01:51:49.399 --> 01:51:52.279
our night hike. I asked him to throw a pine

1970
01:51:52.319 --> 01:51:55.479
cone at you. And it's like, so where we were

1971
01:51:56.279 --> 01:52:02.399
on the pine cone incident was south of Bailey towards

1972
01:52:02.479 --> 01:52:07.039
Wellington Lake, which isn't that far from where we were

1973
01:52:07.039 --> 01:52:12.439
on our night hike. I'm not sure straight straight line distance,

1974
01:52:12.720 --> 01:52:15.960
you know, driving wise, it would take a while because

1975
01:52:15.960 --> 01:52:17.920
it's round about how you get there.

1976
01:52:17.960 --> 01:52:23.399
But you know, it was, ah, it's fairly close.

1977
01:52:23.439 --> 01:52:27.439
I was, you know, and it you know, basically whatever

1978
01:52:27.600 --> 01:52:32.079
eight nine months from from our night hike. It they

1979
01:52:32.079 --> 01:52:33.840
would have to go a mile a month, you know,

1980
01:52:35.000 --> 01:52:40.039
it's not unreasonable. And there's there's a lot of a

1981
01:52:40.079 --> 01:52:44.399
lot of stories of stuff that way too. And then

1982
01:52:45.800 --> 01:52:51.600
so smart me, we go back like literally the next week,

1983
01:52:53.199 --> 01:52:56.920
and that spot was taken. So we went to a

1984
01:52:57.079 --> 01:53:00.199
went farther down the road and found another spot and

1985
01:53:01.079 --> 01:53:06.720
nothing really happened there. I went for a little walk

1986
01:53:06.760 --> 01:53:09.079
and I found a tree that was bent and that

1987
01:53:09.119 --> 01:53:12.680
the tip was like in the dirt, so it was like.

1988
01:53:12.760 --> 01:53:13.640
Fully bent over.

1989
01:53:14.520 --> 01:53:17.479
And then again it was a it was a it's

1990
01:53:17.520 --> 01:53:20.479
a camping spot that we were just using during the day.

1991
01:53:20.520 --> 01:53:24.520
But there was one of those like rubber yellow rubber

1992
01:53:24.520 --> 01:53:27.960
balls that you get them at Walmart that did inflate

1993
01:53:29.359 --> 01:53:33.800
that was like away from from the camping area that

1994
01:53:34.239 --> 01:53:36.560
seemed like it didn't just like roll down the hill

1995
01:53:36.640 --> 01:53:39.800
kind of thing, but it was like, oh, that's kind

1996
01:53:39.800 --> 01:53:45.239
of weird, and we actually I gave it to my

1997
01:53:45.359 --> 01:53:47.439
daughter to kind of keep her occupied, and we brought

1998
01:53:47.439 --> 01:53:51.760
it home and I joked with her that we took

1999
01:53:52.439 --> 01:53:55.640
maybe we took big Foot the ball and they're gonna

2000
01:53:55.680 --> 01:53:57.920
want it back, and she did.

2001
01:53:58.159 --> 01:54:00.520
She said that we should probably of a pack.

2002
01:54:01.960 --> 01:54:05.720
And then the next thing that I did was we

2003
01:54:05.760 --> 01:54:10.199
went back to that same road further down went camp

2004
01:54:10.199 --> 01:54:15.239
in last August with my son, and we went up

2005
01:54:15.239 --> 01:54:18.199
on a Friday, and you know, we got set up

2006
01:54:18.239 --> 01:54:20.560
and everything. I put out a recorder before he went

2007
01:54:20.600 --> 01:54:23.119
to bed, and I woke up in the middle of

2008
01:54:23.159 --> 01:54:31.439
the night like people yelling, and it really freaked me out.

2009
01:54:32.880 --> 01:54:35.520
It sounded like three or four people moving from my

2010
01:54:38.319 --> 01:54:42.000
well would be from my right to left if I

2011
01:54:42.039 --> 01:54:47.960
was facing them, and I immediately thought it sounds.

2012
01:54:47.640 --> 01:54:52.600
Like like like Indians going on an attack or something

2013
01:54:52.680 --> 01:54:54.760
like the way it was yelling, like the noise and

2014
01:54:54.800 --> 01:54:58.600
it was moving like running through the woods and.

2015
01:54:59.000 --> 01:54:59.520
It was weird.

2016
01:54:59.560 --> 01:55:02.159
But I was like, I don't know how I just

2017
01:55:02.199 --> 01:55:05.359
went I fell back asleep, but I was like super excited,

2018
01:55:05.399 --> 01:55:08.119
like I'm gonna have that on recording and listen to

2019
01:55:08.159 --> 01:55:11.880
that tomorrow get up. The next day, the recorder didn't

2020
01:55:11.920 --> 01:55:18.760
work at all. The next day there we had our

2021
01:55:18.840 --> 01:55:21.920
dog too that there were a whole bunch of turkeys

2022
01:55:21.960 --> 01:55:24.840
in the morning and dog was chasing them around. And

2023
01:55:25.000 --> 01:55:27.279
the evening they were like four deer that came across

2024
01:55:27.840 --> 01:55:33.439
on the road and Dog let us know there was

2025
01:55:33.439 --> 01:55:36.720
something there. But the deer wouldn't go away. Like we

2026
01:55:36.800 --> 01:55:40.479
got up, we walked towards them. I was like kicking

2027
01:55:40.520 --> 01:55:45.760
the dirt road. They just were like whatever. So I thought,

2028
01:55:45.920 --> 01:55:48.199
I thought that was weird.

2029
01:55:48.680 --> 01:55:48.880
You know.

2030
01:55:49.119 --> 01:55:51.640
We decided to call it a night at about ten o'clock.

2031
01:55:52.840 --> 01:55:55.279
And the whole time there were there were people near us.

2032
01:55:55.359 --> 01:55:57.600
You could hear voices, but you couldn't make out what

2033
01:55:57.640 --> 01:56:00.279
they were saying. You just knew there were there were people.

2034
01:56:01.760 --> 01:56:05.880
But I had set out my recorder, made sure it

2035
01:56:06.000 --> 01:56:11.680
was on, and uh, you know, we went to bed.

2036
01:56:12.000 --> 01:56:16.039
It wasn't here in anything like people around us. Weren't

2037
01:56:16.159 --> 01:56:18.720
doing whoops or tree knocks or anything the whole time.

2038
01:56:21.119 --> 01:56:29.960
But oh, I wake up at some point in the

2039
01:56:30.039 --> 01:56:32.520
night and I hear we had have my dog bowls.

2040
01:56:32.800 --> 01:56:35.239
They're the stainless bowls I had one for water, one

2041
01:56:35.239 --> 01:56:38.720
for food, but we didn't have we didn't have food

2042
01:56:38.800 --> 01:56:40.840
or in them, in them or anything, but I'm sure

2043
01:56:40.680 --> 01:56:42.840
the smell was still there. But I woke up with

2044
01:56:43.000 --> 01:56:46.359
something messing with those bowls, Like it sounded like it

2045
01:56:46.439 --> 01:56:49.039
was picking them up and setting them down, picking them up,

2046
01:56:49.119 --> 01:56:51.920
setting them down, and.

2047
01:56:53.600 --> 01:57:01.840
I'm thinking it's a bear and it could be a

2048
01:57:01.880 --> 01:57:02.359
big foot.

2049
01:57:02.880 --> 01:57:09.439
But I smacked the side of the tent, thinking it's

2050
01:57:09.439 --> 01:57:13.600
gonna scare whatever off, and the sound got like more aggressive,

2051
01:57:13.720 --> 01:57:14.520
like picking it up.

2052
01:57:14.520 --> 01:57:15.159
Setting it down.

2053
01:57:16.800 --> 01:57:22.239
Well I do I do a hey, like out pretty loud,

2054
01:57:22.760 --> 01:57:26.000
and hear it again, like do I really have to

2055
01:57:26.000 --> 01:57:28.680
go out there? And I'm like, I'm not going out

2056
01:57:28.680 --> 01:57:33.239
there because it's unzipped the door to the tent. Unzip

2057
01:57:33.319 --> 01:57:35.960
the fly, you know, well, turn around, zip the door

2058
01:57:35.960 --> 01:57:39.880
of the tent, unzipped the fly. You know, they keep

2059
01:57:39.920 --> 01:57:43.159
the dog inside and everything. And I'm like, I'm not

2060
01:57:43.239 --> 01:57:47.039
turning my back to whatever that is. You know, I

2061
01:57:47.079 --> 01:57:50.239
wasn't hearing anything but the bulls, you know, I didn't

2062
01:57:50.279 --> 01:57:57.000
hear anything run away or anything. But you know, again,

2063
01:57:57.079 --> 01:57:59.159
I'm like, I don't know if I really want to

2064
01:57:59.199 --> 01:58:04.920
go out and see that h but my dog didn't

2065
01:58:04.920 --> 01:58:07.479
make a sound the whole time, and he like at home,

2066
01:58:07.640 --> 01:58:13.279
he barks at everything, so I was like, like, there's

2067
01:58:13.359 --> 01:58:18.760
no no, no early warning from him either. I fell

2068
01:58:18.800 --> 01:58:22.239
asleep pretty quick after that, and it woke my my

2069
01:58:22.439 --> 01:58:24.479
I woke my son up with my smack in the

2070
01:58:24.520 --> 01:58:28.000
tent and my hay and he's like, do you hearing that.

2071
01:58:28.119 --> 01:58:30.000
I'm like, yeah, I'm hearing that. What do you think

2072
01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:34.600
I'm making noise for? But got up the next day,

2073
01:58:34.960 --> 01:58:37.119
you know, super excited to go out in the daytime

2074
01:58:37.399 --> 01:58:41.920
see what it was. There were ratcoon prints, like dusty

2075
01:58:42.079 --> 01:58:45.880
ratcoon prints on the table, like it was standing on

2076
01:58:45.960 --> 01:58:48.199
his back legs putting its paws on the on there.

2077
01:58:48.880 --> 01:58:54.960
So I assume that's what it was. But you know,

2078
01:58:55.520 --> 01:58:57.720
get the recorder out, and I'm really bad with like

2079
01:58:57.840 --> 01:59:03.000
listening to my recorder and like getting it done. So

2080
01:59:03.039 --> 01:59:04.680
it's been kind of recent and.

2081
01:59:06.960 --> 01:59:09.119
I thought it was like three o'clock.

2082
01:59:08.720 --> 01:59:12.359
In the morning that the Bowld thing was going on,

2083
01:59:13.039 --> 01:59:17.319
and it was more like like midnight. So there's a

2084
01:59:17.359 --> 01:59:21.840
whole bunch of the night time that I haven't listened to.

2085
01:59:22.359 --> 01:59:24.920
But I've listened a little bit past the bowl thing,

2086
01:59:25.760 --> 01:59:31.439
so there's knocks, like the tree knocks here and there,

2087
01:59:31.760 --> 01:59:35.119
and you can kind of tell a little closer, a

2088
01:59:35.159 --> 01:59:39.640
little further there, you know, a little little louder, you know,

2089
01:59:39.880 --> 01:59:42.800
different differences in them. So it's not just like our

2090
01:59:42.840 --> 01:59:46.359
neighbor decided to do that, you know, and they're doing

2091
01:59:46.399 --> 01:59:48.079
it in one area. And then you can hear some

2092
01:59:48.319 --> 01:59:52.760
like kind of like yells and like, uh, you know,

2093
01:59:52.880 --> 01:59:55.279
it's people camping, who know, somebody had a little too

2094
01:59:55.359 --> 01:59:58.039
much to drink. But at one point there's just what

2095
01:59:58.239 --> 02:00:03.720
sounds it sounds is aurar. It sounds like an African lion.

2096
02:00:05.119 --> 02:00:07.800
And I had Mike listen to it at work the

2097
02:00:07.800 --> 02:00:10.000
one time, and his brother listened to I've had a

2098
02:00:10.000 --> 02:00:11.640
couple of people listen to it and they're like, yeah,

2099
02:00:11.640 --> 02:00:14.920
that's what it sounds like. I'm like, if it was

2100
02:00:14.960 --> 02:00:23.399
a bear, it was awfully close. And this roar happens

2101
02:00:23.720 --> 02:00:26.880
just a few minutes before the dog bowls start making noise,

2102
02:00:28.560 --> 02:00:33.279
And honestly, I've been kind of afraid to listen to

2103
02:00:33.359 --> 02:00:37.920
the rest of it because I'm afraid that I'm going

2104
02:00:38.000 --> 02:00:40.960
to hear the rest of it and hear raccoons outside

2105
02:00:41.000 --> 02:00:44.560
the tent at some point, like they came later and

2106
02:00:44.600 --> 02:00:49.640
we just didn't hear them. And the other thing was

2107
02:00:50.960 --> 02:00:55.960
the people that we could see and hear mostly Sunday morning,

2108
02:00:56.119 --> 02:00:59.199
they packed up and we were gone like super early

2109
02:00:59.279 --> 02:01:01.159
before we got uh Like it was one of those

2110
02:01:01.199 --> 02:01:03.199
like we got up for breakfast and I was like, oh,

2111
02:01:03.199 --> 02:01:07.039
when did they leave? It didn't even really hear them,

2112
02:01:07.119 --> 02:01:11.760
So I thought it was weird. Yeah, I I have

2113
02:01:12.319 --> 02:01:16.640
my recorder and I'm like, I got to listen to it.

2114
02:01:16.720 --> 02:01:22.079
But again, I'm a little bit afraid of what might.

2115
02:01:22.640 --> 02:01:23.399
Might be on there.

2116
02:01:23.600 --> 02:01:28.119
If if I'm sure, I'm going to tell myself it was.

2117
02:01:28.159 --> 02:01:31.359
It was just raccoons, And I was kind of chalking

2118
02:01:31.399 --> 02:01:33.880
it up as there's a well, there's a bear outside

2119
02:01:33.960 --> 02:01:37.800
or maybe a big foot. But it was, you know,

2120
02:01:37.840 --> 02:01:42.600
it's just weird that it was. It was making making

2121
02:01:42.600 --> 02:01:44.720
the noise like that, the way it was, you know,

2122
02:01:45.199 --> 02:01:47.640
on the table, picking them up and sitting them down,

2123
02:01:48.399 --> 02:01:51.439
you know. And it's one of those six foot plastic

2124
02:01:51.439 --> 02:01:57.600
folding tables, so it's it's a good three feet to

2125
02:01:57.680 --> 02:02:00.920
the surface, so where the bulls were, So it would

2126
02:02:00.920 --> 02:02:04.840
have had to have been a pretty good raccoon, good

2127
02:02:04.840 --> 02:02:09.960
sized raccoon to get up there, but I was just

2128
02:02:10.359 --> 02:02:15.720
it was just just a weird, weird night. And again

2129
02:02:15.760 --> 02:02:20.039
it's all all in the same area, so I mean

2130
02:02:20.079 --> 02:02:29.279
literally like Finecombe thing with maybe a mile from the

2131
02:02:29.439 --> 02:02:35.760
second place, and then maybe in maybe not even a

2132
02:02:35.800 --> 02:02:41.119
mile where we went camping, so it's it's you know, walkable,

2133
02:02:43.039 --> 02:02:51.159
so it's the same general area. And it seems like

2134
02:02:51.199 --> 02:02:57.640
a there's there's there's not many. There's not houses. There's

2135
02:02:57.640 --> 02:02:59.800
maybe there's a few cabins here and there, but there's

2136
02:02:59.840 --> 02:03:05.199
no it's more just just a forest road with some

2137
02:03:05.359 --> 02:03:09.319
dispersed camping and a little further down the road there's

2138
02:03:09.359 --> 02:03:13.359
some there's some trails that I know, the Colorado Trails

2139
02:03:13.520 --> 02:03:18.079
kind of near there too, but again.

2140
02:03:17.880 --> 02:03:23.079
It's not it's not a heavily used area.

2141
02:03:22.800 --> 02:03:25.800
Too, gotcha.

2142
02:03:26.359 --> 02:03:26.760
It is.

2143
02:03:27.000 --> 02:03:31.600
It's interesting how the both of you are being affected

2144
02:03:31.800 --> 02:03:37.680
in different having different types of things happen after that

2145
02:03:37.880 --> 02:03:42.560
situation that we're both present for. It's it's very very

2146
02:03:43.359 --> 02:03:44.159
very interesting.

2147
02:03:45.079 --> 02:03:46.560
Yeah. Sorry.

2148
02:03:47.239 --> 02:03:51.920
One of the things I think is weird was the

2149
02:03:51.960 --> 02:03:57.920
three people that saw the the blurry portal thing where

2150
02:03:57.960 --> 02:04:04.560
the three people that her stuff later and we all

2151
02:04:04.600 --> 02:04:08.239
had like we all have a we're standing in a

2152
02:04:08.279 --> 02:04:11.560
different spot, and we all had our little different perspective

2153
02:04:11.840 --> 02:04:15.720
on the portal thing, and we all heard a little

2154
02:04:15.800 --> 02:04:20.000
bit different things at the same time. And it was

2155
02:04:20.079 --> 02:04:25.680
you know, it wasn't. It wasn't one of those like,

2156
02:04:25.760 --> 02:04:28.479
oh yeah, I see it. It was like, this is

2157
02:04:28.479 --> 02:04:30.640
what I'm seeing and this is what I heard, and

2158
02:04:30.680 --> 02:04:35.079
you know that. It wasn't just like somebody somebody is

2159
02:04:35.119 --> 02:04:37.319
just agreeing to fit in or you know that kind

2160
02:04:37.319 --> 02:04:37.600
of thing.

2161
02:04:37.640 --> 02:04:37.960
It was.

2162
02:04:38.079 --> 02:04:41.199
It was, no, this is what I'm seeing and hearing

2163
02:04:41.239 --> 02:04:42.479
and what I'm experiencing.

2164
02:04:45.640 --> 02:04:50.479
Absolutely, it'd be interesting too to find out if B

2165
02:04:50.680 --> 02:04:57.920
and K also had strange things happen after the night

2166
02:04:58.000 --> 02:05:03.920
experience with you guys. But I guarantee it Kay did, Okay, gotcha?

2167
02:05:04.079 --> 02:05:09.880
Yea yeah, Oh, Jeremiah. They have So me and Kay

2168
02:05:10.079 --> 02:05:13.319
have some land out there in Montrose and they've got

2169
02:05:13.359 --> 02:05:17.279
game camera set up. Two weird things on there they

2170
02:05:18.119 --> 02:05:21.399
showed me and Todd. One was they call him the

2171
02:05:21.520 --> 02:05:24.560
naked jogger, this old guy that has a fanny pack

2172
02:05:24.600 --> 02:05:27.760
only his tennis shoes on go walking through their forest.

2173
02:05:28.680 --> 02:05:35.039
And the second there's a bobcat that's turning away from

2174
02:05:35.319 --> 02:05:40.359
the the camera look at something and you see these

2175
02:05:40.399 --> 02:05:45.640
two huge eyes. I don't think you could see the outline.

2176
02:05:45.640 --> 02:05:48.359
They sent us me and Todd the picture, but Jim

2177
02:05:48.439 --> 02:05:50.520
had actually blown that up into some kind of big

2178
02:05:50.560 --> 02:05:54.920
poster thing and they went and measured it, and Todd,

2179
02:05:55.039 --> 02:05:57.399
wasn't it like eight foot eight or something where those

2180
02:05:57.399 --> 02:06:00.880
eyes were? He went back into that area and you

2181
02:06:00.920 --> 02:06:04.319
and put himself where you can almost see the outline,

2182
02:06:04.359 --> 02:06:06.680
not quite you could see definitely see the eyes and

2183
02:06:06.760 --> 02:06:08.640
you can see the outline of the head a little bit.

2184
02:06:08.720 --> 02:06:12.199
It's like the eyes are reflecting the camera or they're

2185
02:06:12.239 --> 02:06:14.479
glow and I can't I think I'm sure it's probably

2186
02:06:14.520 --> 02:06:17.399
reflection off the light. But that bobcat is staring that

2187
02:06:17.439 --> 02:06:20.560
thing down. The camera going off did not even phase it.

2188
02:06:22.239 --> 02:06:27.439
Yeah, I was saying with that was I Well, they

2189
02:06:27.520 --> 02:06:31.479
said about there's not I think this is what he said.

2190
02:06:31.520 --> 02:06:33.600
There's not like a branch or anything for like an

2191
02:06:33.600 --> 02:06:36.159
owl just to be sitting.

2192
02:06:35.880 --> 02:06:38.920
There and the eyes are too far apart, And yeah, the.

2193
02:06:38.840 --> 02:06:42.960
Eyes are far apart, but just looking at it, like,

2194
02:06:43.079 --> 02:06:47.640
my my thought was, I bet if that was that

2195
02:06:47.800 --> 02:06:48.960
the eyes are a bigfoot.

2196
02:06:49.119 --> 02:06:53.359
If that's what that is, it's.

2197
02:06:54.520 --> 02:06:58.239
Maybe it new where it wasn't going to set off

2198
02:06:58.239 --> 02:07:04.399
the camera, and that bobcat screwed that up, like it

2199
02:07:04.479 --> 02:07:07.720
could be came from behind the camera, you know, like

2200
02:07:07.880 --> 02:07:11.880
the camera the camera went off and got both of them,

2201
02:07:12.079 --> 02:07:13.840
like just out of coincidence.

2202
02:07:14.319 --> 02:07:17.680
But yeah, it is. I mean, it's super cool to

2203
02:07:17.760 --> 02:07:18.159
see that.

2204
02:07:20.960 --> 02:07:25.039
You see you see it from people you've never met kind.

2205
02:07:24.960 --> 02:07:27.479
Of thing, and you're like, oh, you know whatever.

2206
02:07:27.560 --> 02:07:29.800
But when you when you see you see it from

2207
02:07:29.840 --> 02:07:34.640
somebody you've met, you've talked two since, and you're like, man,

2208
02:07:34.720 --> 02:07:38.560
I think I really think that is something right, Right.

2209
02:07:39.119 --> 02:07:41.640
They were supposed to come on with us, they were

2210
02:07:41.680 --> 02:07:44.199
all for it, and then they we just haven't heard

2211
02:07:44.239 --> 02:07:46.279
back from him and probably a month or so. We've

2212
02:07:46.359 --> 02:07:47.199
kept in contact.

2213
02:07:47.720 --> 02:07:51.239
Okay, well, who knows, maybe they'll maybe they'll.

2214
02:07:51.000 --> 02:07:52.680
Hear this, you never know, reach out.

2215
02:07:52.760 --> 02:07:57.479
Yeah, there you go. But guys, what what an incredible account.

2216
02:07:58.279 --> 02:08:01.920
I'm so glad that we were connect did. It's just

2217
02:08:02.039 --> 02:08:05.960
it's an incredible story of a lot of different things happening.

2218
02:08:06.000 --> 02:08:09.199
When you look at the whole story. I hope that

2219
02:08:09.760 --> 02:08:16.119
you know, my things get better with your health. I'll

2220
02:08:16.119 --> 02:08:20.439
be praying for you regarding that, and Todd I hope

2221
02:08:20.479 --> 02:08:25.880
things don't get too weird. Hopefully that that things throughout.

2222
02:08:25.880 --> 02:08:27.960
The pine cone thrown at you is the weirdest thing

2223
02:08:27.960 --> 02:08:32.600
that happens. But now, please please keep in touch with me.

2224
02:08:32.640 --> 02:08:36.199
If things continue to happen for you, guys, I'd be

2225
02:08:36.399 --> 02:08:38.560
interested to know about it.

2226
02:08:39.600 --> 02:08:42.199
We sure will. Jeremiah, thank you, We appreciate it.

2227
02:08:42.720 --> 02:08:46.600
Yeah, sure thing, thank you, absolutely well.

2228
02:08:46.640 --> 02:08:48.520
Well, thank you for coming on the show today.

2229
02:08:48.600 --> 02:08:48.840
Guys.

2230
02:08:48.880 --> 02:08:49.760
It's been a pleasure.

2231
02:08:51.880 --> 02:08:54.439
It's been our pleasure talk to do. We appreciate it.

2232
02:08:56.439 --> 02:09:06.600
All right, awesome, I'm gonna go ahead and end recording.

2233
02:09:07.520 --> 02:09:07.840
Hello.

2234
02:09:08.840 --> 02:09:13.000
My name is Bill Milwalk. I was writing a message

2235
02:09:13.039 --> 02:09:17.720
I did not get to finish. It was about an

2236
02:09:17.920 --> 02:09:26.600
encounter I had on my seventeenth birthday. I'm now sixty

2237
02:09:26.680 --> 02:09:32.520
six years old. This encounter has stayed with me my

2238
02:09:32.800 --> 02:09:41.159
entire life. Has changed my entire life, and it's something

2239
02:09:41.319 --> 02:09:49.039
now I pray nobody else ever has to go through.

2240
02:09:52.039 --> 02:10:03.079
By that being said, these creatures are extremely intelligent. They

2241
02:10:03.119 --> 02:10:12.239
can be kind, and they can also while your brain's

2242
02:10:12.319 --> 02:10:18.119
recal recalibrating trying to figure out what you're looking at,

2243
02:10:20.960 --> 02:10:27.199
scare you to death. As I said, it happened on

2244
02:10:27.279 --> 02:10:33.640
my seventeenth birthday. I'm now sixty six. I still have nightmares,

2245
02:10:37.319 --> 02:10:45.640
sleep disorders PTSD. I've been I don't know how many doctors.

2246
02:10:50.279 --> 02:10:59.960
I have one under hypnosis three different times. There's something

2247
02:11:01.199 --> 02:11:05.760
and so I think a lot of times these creatures

2248
02:11:05.800 --> 02:11:10.680
really get a bad rap. And I just like people

2249
02:11:10.720 --> 02:11:21.119
to know that they're very intelligent. They can and they

2250
02:11:21.159 --> 02:11:30.359
will help you. One they can. If it wouldn't have

2251
02:11:30.399 --> 02:11:32.800
been for what the one did that day for me,

2252
02:11:34.319 --> 02:11:38.159
I would not be here today, pure and simple.

2253
02:11:40.319 --> 02:11:41.119
I owe it.

2254
02:11:43.439 --> 02:11:51.680
My life. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know

2255
02:11:55.319 --> 02:11:57.039
if you'd like to reach out to me, my phone

2256
02:11:57.119 --> 02:12:01.560
numbers and call any time. UH sleep no more than

2257
02:12:01.600 --> 02:12:04.960
one or two hours of a time, so usually I'm

2258
02:12:05.079 --> 02:12:10.439
easy to get a hold of. Thanks for listening.

2259
02:12:12.039 --> 02:12:14.520
If you'd like to share a voicemail to be potentially

2260
02:12:14.600 --> 02:12:18.000
featured on the show as well, head over to Bigfoot

2261
02:12:18.000 --> 02:12:21.399
Society podcast dot com and hit the Share your Encounter button.

2262
02:12:22.000 --> 02:12:23.439
Just wanted to take a minute to say thank you

2263
02:12:23.479 --> 02:12:26.000
for listening to the episode of the Bigfoot Society Podcast.

2264
02:12:26.079 --> 02:12:28.359
Mike and Todd's story is one of the most unsettling

2265
02:12:28.399 --> 02:12:31.359
we've ever heard, not just because of the strange lights

2266
02:12:31.439 --> 02:12:33.600
or the firefly swarm, but because of what it felt

2267
02:12:33.640 --> 02:12:37.399
like when reality seemed to slip. It's a huge thanks

2268
02:12:37.399 --> 02:12:39.239
to both of them for coming on and sharing what

2269
02:12:39.359 --> 02:12:43.000
happened out in that canyon. If you enjoy this conversation,

2270
02:12:43.079 --> 02:12:45.680
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2271
02:12:46.079 --> 02:12:47.880
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2272
02:12:47.920 --> 02:12:50.359
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2273
02:12:50.399 --> 02:12:55.199
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2274
02:12:55.239 --> 02:12:57.760
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2275
02:12:57.840 --> 02:13:00.279
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2276
02:13:00.279 --> 02:13:03.279
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2277
02:13:04.119 --> 02:13:05.600
And if you or someone you know has had a

2278
02:13:05.600 --> 02:13:09.199
Bigfoot encounter, especially in Colorado or southern Wyoming, I'd love

2279
02:13:09.239 --> 02:13:11.039
to hear from you, so please send me an email

2280
02:13:11.079 --> 02:13:15.000
at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Thanks again for

2281
02:13:15.079 --> 02:13:17.479
being part of the Bigfoot Society. Until next time, keep

2282
02:13:17.520 --> 02:13:20.800
your eyes open, trust your gut, and remember what they said.

2283
02:13:21.159 --> 02:13:24.239
If you hear the hum, turn back and see you

2284
02:13:24.279 --> 02:13:24.760
in the woods.