Something Watched Me From 200 Yards — Then Vanished | Oregon | Idaho

0:00 You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron Tonight's story isn't from just a weekend hiker or someone just passing through the area. It's from Steve Hunter, and wildlife photographer who spent decades deep in the forests of the Pacific Northwest. But what started as peaceful trips into the John Day Wilderness turned into something else. Screams in the dark and snap trees, and it just goes wilder from there. This isn't just a Bigfoot story. It's also a spiritual journey of Steve and it's still unfolding to this day. So stay with us, all right, Big Fat Society. I've got the privilege of talking to Steve today. Steve is an individual that contacted me via email about some interesting things he's experienced over the years regarding Bigfoot in the northwest corner of the United States. So we've got a lot of ground to cover today. We were talking a little bit before recordings started, So Steve, welcome to this show. How are you doing today, sir?

1:03 I'm doing really good. Thank you very much. Fantastic, fantastic. I love hearing accounts from the places that we're going to be talking about Steve, So you know, feel free to go ahead, and I'm going to pass a mic over to you take us back as far as we need to go, and I know you have this all worked out, so feel free to take the rains man. Okay. Yeah. So I'm sixty years old now and probably about fifteen years ago. I've always been in the woods hunting all my life and hiking, backpacking, and so I used to backpack solo and people would always ask me, am I afraid of bears? And am I afraid of big butt or whatever? I always thought the big foot thing was nonsense, and so I was hunting and camping out of the North Fork of the John Day Wilderness Campground, which is over out of Yukaya. It's like, oh, it's like Highway fifty two. It's like a forest road, but it's actually a paved road, so we just call it the fifty two, which goes all the way to Granted and then eventually somewhere where it changes to I think it's Highway seventy one or whatever the Elkhorn Mountains or right there. So there's this nice campground there with the wilderness Trail, the thirty twenty two trail, and so I

2:35 started hunting and there I was backpacking in there. I eventually car camp in the in the campground and did my hunting from there, and I went out there. I took people out there, friends, family, We backpacked in the car camp. I spent a lot of time in You know, the snow doesn't really clear out of there until juneish, and so as soon as I could get in there, I would start either camping or hunting for bear in August, just for a reason to go out there and scout for elk and so, and then I would be out of there by rifle season, which would be October. So I was in there for one reason or another for years, and I got to know this area pretty close to the campground, and I ended up getting a couple of elk out of there in my first ever elk, and I just kind of loved the area, and the camp sites were nice and they were primitive. And so the first thing that happened to me, I'm going to go kind of fast here because I got a bunch of stuff in Idaho that's important. Also, So the first thing that ever happened to me is I was sleeping in the back of my truck with a canopy on it.

3:52 And I knew most of the guys in the campground. They were regular hunters, and we would always see each other all all summer long, so I knew who did what. And occasionally, hardly anybody ever went down the wilderness trail at thirty twenty two. Most most of the hunters always hunted the easier areas around the surrounding area and they would so they would fire up their pickup trucks and they would go drive and find and go to their easy hunting spots. And I always like to go down the trail because I can get away from people. But there's really nothing to hunt in there unless you're willing to climb right out of that canyon, which I did, and so it worked for me. But so whatever year it was, I was sleeping in the back of my pickup truck and about three in the morning, I had to I got to go to the bathroom, and it was one of those nights where you couldn't see your hand in front of your face, so like I would go right out of the back of my pickup truck on the tailgate because I had to lift the truck and it was too much to jump out, and I was going to try to get back to sleep. So anyway, it was one of those nights where I had to hold onto the vehicle while I was going to the bathroom because I couldn't see literally anything in front of my face. It was just solid, like you couldn't see the sky, the tree line. So as soon as I laid back down and closed up the back of the truck with the canopy and the tailgate, I heard footsteps

5:27 coming down the gravel road there at the campground road. So I had a little window that was always open, and so immediately I sat up and I thought, well, I don't know who's leaving, who's walking this way at three o'clock in the morning, but like, I know these guys, so I'm going to say something to them. So I immediately expected to see a flashlight. You have to have a flashlight or you literally can't walk like twenty yards, and there was no flashlight, and I and it was a little you know, it was about twenty yards away, and so it just seemed like it was louder walking than it should be. When I didn't see the flashlight, I kind of freaked out a little bit, and like I knew something was coming, so I laid back down and I just sort of freaked out a little bit.

6:18 I knew, for some reason instinctively, the next thing that was going to happen with something was gonna bang on the side of my vehicle and there's gonna be a face looking at I don't know why I thought that, because I actually thought about I actually thought about Bigfoot at that point, which is kind of odd. So nothing happened. I couldn't get back to sleep, of course, and I did my thing, flashlighting my way through the dark to get to my spot. Nothing happened. So fast forward to the next summer, same area, except I drove around to the top on the fifty two roads and then just was going to scout in there, and that's where the big things started to happen. So it was a beautiful morning.

7:05 The sun is just rising over the Elkhorn Mountains. I'm only sixty yards from my truck and the light rays are shining through the trees, and I just know it's going to be a great day. I say, I'm going to see something, and right at that point I got the classic ear shattering heart pounding scream of the fast glasses, which at the time I had no idea what that was. So so it was about I would say, five seconds long, and it was the typical what I would tell people later when I took them camping there. I would tell them both stories about something to walk by my truck very big, and then I would tell them about the stream, which I described as as loud as a training horn, that sounded like a cross between a lion and a woman screaming, which is odd because later I would hear other people describe it like that and so, but at the time, although it scared me to death, it didn't startle me like where I dropped something. It was just sort of like I tell people, it would like blow my skin off, like if it was a cartoon, it would have like blew my skin off. You know. It was just so out of place. But for some reason I just blanked out on what it could be. And I actually started to sneak through these little pine trees

8:37 that these like Christmas trees that were on either side of this little road as you go into the forest, and so I decided I just had no idea. I thought, there's got to be some people over there doing something weird. There's no vehicles out there on the road, and this is where so so I only go about like probably ten yards, and I get through these little pine trees and I look over across the somewhat clear area. I know every inch of this territory, and standing there was a cow elk. So the cow elk oddly enough, So I'm looking at this elk, thinking, I have no idea how what could make that sound. There must be a bull elk laying there that I can't see, and it must have been able to stream out loud. I don't know, but I did notice I'm looking at the elk, and I noticed that it looked very silhouettish. Usually elk are kind of looking around or moving a little bit, their ears are twitching, and this was not doing that. This was just like a cardboard cutout sort of weird. So, believe it or not, I just kept going into the woods like I just didn't know what to think, and so I continued and nothing happened that I remember, other than I just thought about it on and off all day. Okay,

10:08 So fast forward years go by. I'm always telling that story. And so when hunters or whatever say before I can get to the elk part. When they the stream, they go, well, you know a mountain lion, kids do that, or mountain lions can be very loud, and it could have been this or that. And then I tell them the elk part. I said, okay, so if it was a mountain lion, why would an elk be standing there next to the mountain lion? And then you know, everything gets silent at that point in the conversation. So so what happened was years later, I was following for whatever reason, I wasn't in the hockey eade where I got into wildlife photography, but I was following Steve i Isdall on YouTube and listening to his hunting story and then he told the story at one point one of the video was about his first encounter, which I didn't even know what that meant, but because I liked him so much and I felt like he was a real down to earth, honest guy, you know, with the hunting stories and everything. So he tells the story, which kind of got me to thinking, to put it mildly, and I basically sort of started to really rethink, started to think back, well, I didn't know, fat Squatch screamed. At the time, I didn't know anything about him, so but I just started to realize that, oh, maybe it is true. So then my wheels just started

11:40 spinning and it really started to make me hesitate about going in the woods. So the next thing that happened, I started like looking into it more on the internet, and I started finding all kinds of stories from people that were mountain climbers or like one guy from South Africa who because I don't even know what his podcast was about or his interviews that he did. He was in South Africa, but he's an American guy and he was into like security or something, and so his channel was about that. But because I searched for Bigfoot, he told his Bigfoot story about when he was a teenager. And again, so I started hearing all these stories and I just I'm starting to go into a little bit of a spiral. And then when and I'm just going to throw these names out there and not the channels.

12:28 If you want to, if you want to bring up the channel whatever, you know, you can just stop me or whatever. But I'm not sure that you want me to mention all these channels. But you just keep talking to who you need to and it's fine, okay, okay. So carry Arnold. I found that I found his experience, which is where they went out into the woods and relived his experience like ten or so years later after he had and in Mississippi, and that one when that happened, I was in the suburbs of Portland, not even close to any kind of woods, and I was looking up at the curtains that were cracked open, and I started to like really freak out because it just was dawning on me that this is like the whole thing was starting to dawn on me. And like in his interview he mentioned the screaming and stuff, and then I realized that's that's what it all started making sense, and I had to start rethinking all this stuff. So that led me into a real spiral of emotion that got really bad.

13:42 Not as bad as it was going to get, but it made me realize I need to go back out there, and I need to like face this thing down kind of thing, like I'm a wildlife photographer, like I just started a new life and now I don't want to be out there. So I did. I went back up there, and I and I stayed in the vehicle and stuff, but I just wanted to try to get through the night and get through my fear and all that. And it was terrible, but I did it and nothing happened. But I was pretty close to my first encounterspot and I was doing panoramas of the Milky Way galaxy. So I had to be out there at like one or two in the morning to shoot this panorama for somebody else that wanted this shot. And I just remember, you know, when you do that long exposure, you have to turn off all the lights, right, have to be off while you're doing a long exposure. And I just remember like already just being on edge and just kind of turning and looking into the absolute blackness that was five feet away from me, just knowing something was gone, like was standing there. I could just feel it. But anyway, so I knew that the answer was not to live and fear the rest of my life. So okay, So that's what happened in Oregon. Was the screen, the elk, and then you know, whatever walked by my truck, which is not earth shattering, but the but the screen, you know, nobody would deny that that's something up out of this world, right, so if you were there especially so then So I'm

15:16 living with this and dealing with it, and I'm doing like I'm going into the Coastal Range mountains with stuff and doing photography and that, and I'm you know, I'm on edge all the time a certain a certain level of like almost like PTSD. So I moved to Idaho and I start operating photography up the Salmon River out of McCall. But I drive to the Salmon River and the first thing that I'll just give you the sequence. And I don't know if these things are all related, but I the very first thing that happened was it's very hot and windy in this part of the country in the summertime. And there was a day where it was one hundred degrees and the wind was just blowing like crazy like it does here in the afternoon. And I decided, you know, not to even bother doing any kind of photography. I was just going to go sit in the shade by the river on there's a one picnic table and I had a fold up rocking chair and I would just put my feet up on the picnic table, and I had a pair of binoculars that I had brought with me instead of my camera because I wasn't going to see anything, and I was it was too hot. So the wind is howling, and I'm kind of like looking up through the trees with the you know, the sun is directly overhead, and I can

16:46 see the seeds and the dust and birds and whatever just blowing around, stuff everywhere in the air. And then I looked downstream about probably three hundred yards and I see something flying up the river and about thirty or forty feet off of the water. And I'd like to do birds in flight photography, and so I was like, well, that's great, I don't have my cameras in the truck and like, oh well, so, but I happened, for whatever reason, to bring the binoculars. So this thing's coming down the river, and as it's getting closer to me, go it's going to be on my left. Here I noticed there's no wings flapping, and it's not moving. It's not being moved by the wind. I thought maybe it was a balloon that got loose, but it's not being affected by the wind.

17:36 So as it gets I bring up the binoculars and as it's like directly to my left, I zoom in, I get a perfect shot of this thing, which was this little disk weird looking flat on the bottom but like domes on the top when it looked like it had like three little legs sticking down. And I'm just fascinated that this thing is not affected by the wind in any way. So that's all that happened there. But I thought maybe it was some new kind of drone, and I found out I talked to a drone expert later and I described it. He said, yeah, there's nothing that I know of that is like that. So during this time, I'm visiting people in the area, and I'm finding out other people have had experiences which we can talk about. And then probably what I call the Big Three.

18:38 So all this all this time, I'm studying online, you know, videos, your stuff, West of stuff and whatever I can find, and just watching interviews and getting more and more spiraled into sort of this like my worldview is being shattered kind of thing, and I need I don't know what's going on, you know, I need to. Everybody else seems so casual about it on the podcast and stuff, and I'm just like, this is like, this is the biggest story in modern history. I don't understand everybody's sort of like taking it for fun, like it's a hobby to go out and bang on trees, and you know, I'm just like, I don't know what the thing. So it got to a point where, you know, it got really bad, and I thought I had nobody to talk to, and I actually emailed West and he never got back to me.

19:36 And oddly enough, one of my friends the next day and I told him I need to talk to him, and I talked to him a little bit. I didn't tell him all the details, but I just I just said, I'm having a hard time with this, and so somehow he really helped me out with that, even though he doesn't believe in that necessarily. So and I'm glad I didn't talk to West because of what was about to happen, because if I did talk to West, I would like to add this into the story, which is what I'm going to tell you right now. So I'm living in an apartment and I'm going to mention another name from a Flash of Beauty, which is melse Gahan. And I think this is the first thing of the three things that happened. So every week I would work a few days at a store, and then I would spend my other days up the river dealing wild electrootography. And so between going out and well, every single day I'd be watching something and I was I was getting more and more sort of blown away by what I'm hearing, and I think this is important later if we have the time, I think, I think what it just has to do with is as far as having an interaction to something about your attitude, something about your level of humility and stuff.

20:55 But that might be a different discussion. So I'll I'm I always go up on the same mountain, very steep, windy road that takes you up there, so the road can be in disrepair a lot, and so I leave my vehicle down at the bottom in the spring because it's very steep and there's always rocks rolling off the mountain, stuff in, trees falling over. So I hike up this road and all I'm thinking about is this interview with mel Kahan where he he was the Yakama Indian guy, or is the Yakama Indian Native American, and he talks about the ceremony that he attended, which if you haven't heard that, I'm probably I'm sure you have, but like it's profound what happened during this ceremony that he had that had nothing to do with Southquatch, And so that's all I'm thinking about as I'm walking back down the mountain, and I'm just zoned out on that. I'm not even looking around or anything. And then all of a sudden and I hear down in the valley below me near my vehicle, this long not as violent of the stream that I originally heard, but a long holler I guess, like a holler that lasted long enough for me to hear it. And then walk across the dirt road from the mountain side to the drop off side and stand there and still hear it, knowing that that's not something

22:29 I've ever heard before. I don't remember that part of mele skahands after the ceremony what happened. I wasn't even thinking about that, but I'm listening to the sound, which stopped in a weird way. It sounded kind of like a two stroke motor as far as the whine of it, but it was like coming from someone someone was making the sound with their mouth. So I decided I'm going to walk down there, get in my vehicle and I'm going to drive up further up the canyon that's down there, another canyon, and if I see anyone, if I see any cows or animals or a wolf or whatever, I'm just going to dismiss the whole thing. So I do that, and there's nothing there. There's no sign of life, and it shouldn't there shouldn't be at this time of year.

23:22 This is in the spring, probably two years ago, now, maybe it was last year. And so so I go back and I'm telling a friend of mine who's had an experienced himself. He's a believer. There's this local guy, and I show him that the melse Gahan video of him, just just the part where he's talking about the ceremony. And I'm not even remembering what happened after the ceremony. So my friend's sitting there listening to it. And then at the end of the story, melt has to go back out into the wood and do something and he has the same experience. He has the same holler happened to him. And so while my friend is watching this and I'm realizing, oh, I forgot, that's the exact same sound I just heard. I asked my friend, I go, what does that sound like to you? And he goes, two stroke motor. So I'm like, okay, that was That's weird, right.

24:26 So I decide I'm going to go up into that canyon have a look around the next week, which I do. And it's a real narrow there's a creek that flows down it, and there's low It kind of looks like Oregon actually, with ferns and cedar trees, and it's kind of unique for this area because it's pretty dry here. So I go, I go up and I find a place where I can quite a bit further up, like maybe a mind or half a mile up path where I heard the south, where I can walk on a road, an old dirt road that's gated off. You couldn't hardly drive on. It's overgrown. So but I'm going to walk in there and just have a look around. And so the I'm walking up this little road and I see and there's a little bit of snow, it's actually snowing, and there's all these little like again like the Christmas trees that get up to like fifteen feet tall, pine trees or fir trees along the side of this road.

25:30 It's a really nice, super quiet, walking soft And the first thing I noticed is one of those trees is broken over about I have a picture of it. It's about so I'm like six foot so it's a little bit like six or seven foot up green tree, which would normally be very rubbery, very difficult to break, and it's just snapped over. And but it's growing well, it's growing from down the hill up past me, so it's probably from the base of the tree. It's probably about eight or nine feet or something, I can't remember. I got pictures of it, so I'm like, oh wow, And no other trees. I've never seen a tree broke like that, especially a green tree. I've seen a thousand dead trees.

26:20 So I'm like, oh, worth taking a picture of. So I walk another hundred and yards up this road and the trees kind of disappear off the sides of the road and it's kind of open, and I turn this corner and there's a dead deer laying there on the road, like freshly killed, not warm, but like you could cut meat off of it and eat it. And the back of the deer is something got to you know, a hold of it and like tore out the bottom of the deer, and so there's a little bit of blood clots and stuff and hair on this road. And the deer's head was kind of oddly turned. So the deer's back was sort of facing me with its legs away from me, but its head was turned around looking at me with no eyeballs and so in and of itself.

27:20 If I had just had nothing to do with Sasquatch, I would find that very odd that this deer is laying in this road. But it's just odd. Like I've covered hundreds and hundreds of miles thousands in my life and I've never seen anything like that. I've seen you know, road till and I've seen cougar pill and but anyway, I'm just like, oh, and so I'm looking at it, and you know, I just don't know, like obviously a mountain ion, you know, killed this animal and it's just right here on the road. But my approach would have been like one hundred percent quiet, Like it was as quiet as it could be. There was a snow going, the road was wet, it was just tinyvel. I should have walked up on either birds or a bobcat, kyotes or something you would think there's no tracks. So I keep going past the deer. I come back, the deer's there.

28:23 I get back into my vehicle and I start heading out, and I see another tree break on the main gravel roads. Obvious, big, bigger, one taller, but just stands out from all the other trees broken over fresh. So now I'm seeing two tree breaks that I've never seen before in my life, anything like this in the same place, maybe two hundred yards apart, one on either side of the creek. Impossible, because you know, there's even with a tree deadfall, would have a hard time snapping off the tree three quarters of the way up.

29:05 It's either just going to smash it down or it's going to, you know, possibly break it in half. But these are very rubbery, green trees. So I took a picture of that too, and that that was bigger, And it's like I eventually took this friend of mine up there months later, because he was a longer most of his life, so he knows all about the possibilities of tree breaks, and of course we're looking for possible pieces of something that could have fallen off of another tree. There's nothing. The forest floor was very clean on both of the tree breaks. So he gets he's studying it.

29:47 He gets back in the in the vehicle and he's hmm, He's like, there, noth looks like a tree break. So so that was the first thing that was the first week. Let's to say, of the haller, the tree breaks the deer, because when I mentioned the deer to him in the beginning, when I got back, he's like, oh, that's a gift. They gifted you the deer. And I was like, okay. So then actually he wanted to do like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and put and I went back out there reluctantly, and to say I was on edge as an understatement, but so I did the peanut butter and jelly sandwich thing and hung it from a tree and all this, and went back a week later and nothing had touched it. But what was weird I almost forgot this is that at one point when I was going in there back and forth, checking on situation, and I was learning that if you really want to have an encounter, don't take a camera, a gun or a flashlight. And I'm not sure I want to have an encounter, but for some reason I just felt like it was. It was part of what was coming. Something is building because in my spiritual life, in my outside of the paranormal stuff, like the same thing happens when you start practicing, you know, spiritual principles of like giving and receiving and like karma.

31:11 But I just knew that something was building. And I didn't know if it was just a face to face encounter or something or a sighting like a class class as site, and I didn't know if that's what was going on, but something was and so well you'll see. So the deer disappeared at one point, and I remember going, I'm looking, I'm gonna I'm looking down on the ground where the deer was, and there's zero evidence that the there was a deer there. There's not a single strand of hair, nothing. And I've seen a lot of dead deer, and the hair will be there a year later if you tear the hair, if you if you've got a deer, the hair will be there a year later. And there was not a single strand of hair there from what potentially was Mountain Ion. You know that maybe ate it or maybe it's probably too early for a bear in that time of year. The bears are still in hibernation, so coyote maybe, But the whole deer was gone, not dragged.

32:15 I looked all over for it. It couldn't have been up the hill. The hill was two steeps, so it had to be down the hill, and there was nothing down there. There's no drag park. So I did the peanut butter and jelly thing and nothing happened with that. I was just I went in there a few times and it was it was rough, like not going in there with a gun, just knowing how vulnerable I were. It's hard to describe. But at the same time, I'm slowly I'm slowly climbing out of this PTSD hole. I'm slowly well. So what happens the next week is I'm I'm in the air, let's just say, in the area at dark. But I'm close to a town. I'm in the town versus in the woods, and I'm in I'm in a little spot outside the edge of town. And it was dark, and so I was dealing with some garbage and there was a dumpster there and I see a little flash of light on the corner of my eye.

33:21 It caught my eye and I look and this orb I guess you want to call It appears about eighty yards away. This is the same timeframe as the deer and stuff, which is a spring, so there's no leaves on the trees, and there's a bunch of trees in this This light green. I don't even want to say it was an orb It didn't look around to me, it looked flat. It was like the size of a trash can lid. Green, like a green street light, like a you know, traffic signals green light. It was that color, but it had like almost like a green sort of flamy, fiery something or other. And this thing, this thing appears after the flash, and it's going through the trees and it's shaking up and down at the same time, like it's vibrating up and down. And it probably lasted about four seconds. And of course I realized just from listening to videos and stuff, you know, watching videos, the ORB relation, and all I felt like was, well, the next thing that's about to happen is I'm going to have a sasquatch stand in front of me, or I'm going to disappear.

34:35 And so I was tempted to just like gut it out and see what happens, but I couldn't do it. I took off. So that was the second thing of the three, which totally freaked out my friend for like a year. Huge like this is not like a glowing orb floating through the street kind of thing, like a softball size or whatever. This was the size of a car wheel or bigger. So nothing happened there either. And then probably the weirdest thing happened. So on the third week, I'm up the river and I decide with for my photography that I'm just going to park off the paved road instead of going up into the canyons. I'm just going to hike straight up the Salmon River. One of the ridges that I can tell. It's very very narrow tops on these ridges like with rock outcroppings, sort of like the back of I believe it's like the Stegosaurus dincer, where you know, it's grassy sagebrush hills on both sides, but they come up to a point of boulders that stick up maybe twenty five feet high. You can't even walk on the very top because it's too bouldery. But there's like these game trails that snake around the boulders

36:05 and work your way up higher, which which is very easy walking. And it was one of the few times that I had bring my trekking poles. I don't use the US trekking poles, but sometimes when I come down big steep mountains, my knees will give me problems. And I had a pack on, I had all my stuff on my back, and I decided to take my trekking poles to help brace the load on the way back down. Which is interesting because as I'm coming back down, I'm going this game trail. It's real easy walking because of the game trail, but also the way that the boulders are sort of naturally placed, almost looking like steps. It's real comfortable walking. And so I'm going I'm going along the edge as you're going down this nice edge ridge knife yeah, nice top. You know. I'm on the right side.

37:07 And I got my trekking poll which makes it even easier to walk, like you're not going to trip and fall. And that's all I remember. And I wake up on my face downhill. I just wake up like I blocked out, and I had this you know, the typical like stereotypical migrain headache for about one minute, like I got punched in the face, which I, you know, essentially did, and I don't understand how what happened because I didn't trip. Okay, So I get up and I'm fine, and I'm wondering how am I fine in all these rocks. I fellow my face down hill with a pack on, and I look down where my head hit and there's one little spot of dirt, a little dusty, soft spot of dirt where my face hits. Weird, like my nose isn't It's just my forehead. So I'm like, man, that is that was closed? I don't I must have tripped and don't remember it. I don't know. But I didn't put my hands down or brace my trekking poles or anything like and that wouldn't be that weird. I wouldn't bring that up except for what was about to happen five minutes later.

38:27 So now I'm on the left side of the ridge going down. So I'm looking down at the paved road. I see my van parked there. And because of the ridge that I'm walking along, it's so steep, I can't see to the right. I can't see downstream at all, the whole mountain, all the way down, and I'm about two hundred yards from my van. Broad daylight, middle of the day, sunny blue sky. I can't see but about twenty five feet behind my van downstream. My van is pointing upstream, and I can't see more than about twenty five feet in front of my van because of the brush down there that's growing up very high covering the road.

39:17 So my van is there twenty five feet on either side of pavement, and I'm fully cameoed out and like, there's no way, there's no way anybody could ever see me up there. There's no way anybody could see me have gone up there, because you get out of the van and this road is very it's remote, and it's in this time of the year, it's nobody uses it. You know, this is a rafting area stuff. But in the spring there's just nobody up there, hardly ever. So I'm just as I'm sort of like working all the way down through this game trail, and I look up at my vehicle and this figure walks into it, starts approaching my vehicle on the paved road, and immediately it's not that odd to have people walking up there, but immediately I knew This was odd because not only was it a very tall figure, dark from head to toe black everything, shoes all the way up to the hat.

40:26 If there was a hat, I could tell. And it was a tall, lanky figure that took a couple of steps, and I hesitated because I just didn't know if somebody was going to mess with my vehicle or I kind of wanted to watch. And I had a camera on my back that I could have taken pictures of somebody messed with my vehicle. Whatever. All this goes through your head in like one second, and he takes tea I guess he took a couple of steps, got beside my van. He's in the only little window where I can see him because he's about to disappear behind this thrush. And I'm thinking this is weird, Like it didn't look like a typical sightseer tourists that are kind of walking and kind of lollygagon or whatever and looking up at the mountains and looking at the river and looking around. This person was marching with their head down and he stops right at my van and he does like a like an about face kind of thing, looks right up at me, which I just was completely frozen at this point. I'm like, this is all happening in a second. But I'm like, if he's looking at me, he's no way he can see me. I'm literally the same color as the boulders.

41:42 My backpack and everything is brown and green and cameo two hundred yards away and I'm in this little pocket of rocks and stuff. There's no way he sees me. But then he brings his hands up as though he's holding a telescope, not binoculars, but like a telescope, So his hands are in front of one another, and he brings them up to his eye and he's looking right at me. So I'm just I don't know what to think, right, I'm just frozen, of course. And then he turned and he continues on his march, and so then I don't know.

42:22 It was like this road that he's on curves, curves, and slightly to the left, a big arching curve, and then it's gonna through a sharp left handtern and he's going to be gone, So I can anticipate how far he's probably is as I'm going down the hill, and I'm thinking this is freaking me out, but I don't know what to think at this point, like, there's no way he knew I was up there. There's just a zero chance that he knew I was up there, or that he could see me. And I'm tempted to drive up there and ask him or whatever. So but I'm kind of freaked out of like realizing this is not normal. But anyway, I get to about thirty yards or forty yards from my van, and now those trees that would have obscured him as he stepped into them in front of my van, I'm looking through those trees at the road and I know there's there's a spot I can see a pavement up there. I know he's going to be there any second, and sure enough he popped out there.

43:23 So now I'm behind this big screen of trees looking through. There's no way you know he would see me. Now, I mean there's a lot of big, big trees, leafy trees which all the leaves are down. But like, so as soon as soon as I lock on to that spot, he walks into that spot and he spins around and he's looking at me again. Again, He's not like a typical church that's looking all around and enjoying the sights and whatever. He just turned and looked right at me, some couple hundred yards away for sure, and I'm like, there's no way sees me out. But he's looking right at I can tell he's not looking. His head's not moving up and down or anything. And then he disappears.

44:08 So I jump in the van and I'm like, I'm going to drive down stream because if he's just a guy that's on a walk, there's got to be a vehicle down here. Some people do that later in the year. They will park and then they'll just exercise or you know, take a walk. So I drive down there. There's no vehicle. So I already knew there wasn't going to be a vehicle. And instead of turning around and just like going up there and getting it over with to find out, I just knew he wouldn't be there if I drove up there, and I was kind of freaking out when I just I just kept going. I just got off. I just took off and headed home. So yeah, So those are the three things. The deer, the orb, and then this what I call the man in black thing, which is I only say that like when I'm talking to my friend about it, and I took my friend up there, who is my age and he's been in the woods all his life too, and I showed him and he was he was like, yeah, there's I mean, I couldn't I couldn't even hardly show him where I was standing.

45:14 And it was so hard to pick out all the stuff, the boulders and the different trees and stuff that were up there. I had a hard time eat you now, telling him like, no, over to the right, and he's like, oh, are you talking about like right there where that? I'm like, no, a little bit lower, you know. And so I'm looking up there. I've been I've been up there twenty thirty times now since that happened, and I've I've just stood there and looked up there. I'm like, there's just no way. I don't understand why someone or something would behave that way that in that very spot, because the little bit of the little bit I could see of the paper down there is the little bit that he could see of the side of the mountains for the same reason.

45:59 So I was just in a little sliver and if he would have walked three steps back, he wouldn't have been able to see me. And if he would have walked three steps forward, he wouldn't have been able to see me because of the mountain and the trees, so he just stopped in the right spot without even like looking up there. He's looking down at his feet, and he spun at the very spot where he could like see me, and he held his hands up like he had a telescope. And that's weird enough, right, But it's also weird just that he was so tall, and there was no distinguishing differences in colors of clothing or anything.

46:40 It was just I'm just telling you, it was just super odd like. And so a lot of these things that happened to me, they could be written off. Like the thing flying down the river, it could have been some drone, I suppose, you know, the dead deer, It's possible that a mountain lion killed it and just left it there the holler from before I saw the tree break. Thinking of the male skayhand story, it's possible it was something else. I've just been in the woods all my life. I've never seen these things, so I kind of always go back to, well, did I ever did I have anything really weird happened to me? And I remember, you know, the thing walking by my truck. The first story, not the weirdest thing in the world. It's possible it was a person. The thing that happened with the scream and the elk not possible. The tree breaks I don't think are possible, and then the orb could totally be unrelated to this. But I just find that all the stuff happening at once, and then I don't know how much time we have left. But then or of disappearing out of my apartment, and it got to a point where it was like I had to like literally go up and say something to them, because I was told you

48:11 can actually go and talk to them and you know, or tell them to stop bothering you or whatever. And so I didn't ever want to go to that level. I didn't necessarily believe it, but it got to a point where I did that. And one of the items that disappeared, which was very expensive to me, and when I got back from that, when I went back up there and did my thing on the mountain, you know, my photography or whatever, I because this thing was so expensive. The other items that disappeared were not very expensive. It was it was back where it should have been. When I got back to my apartment. That's all I can say. And I'm talking about I have a very minimalistic lifestyle.

48:53 I have very few things. I don't have a bed like I sleep on ad I have one chair. I've lived in my van. I'm just very organized. I have some very expensive out their clothing winter versions and spring in summer, and I'm very careful you know where I have those. And so when something disappears, you know, I'm like everybody else in life, Like I've lost my carpees in my wallet, stuff just bizarrely and I find them and then I realized, oh yeah, I forgot, like I have that stuff happened to me regularly, just like everybody else.

49:37 But that's not what this was. That's not what was happening to me. I'll just tell you these things real quick about what happened. One of them was, you know, just like I had a hat disappeared that I never wear. I bought it. It was kind of like a It was a really nice camouflage hat that I kind of just hung on the wall. There was a camera hat that had a front that you could peel off all grow and you could put other patches on. And I just don't wear hats. I hardly ever wear a hat. I haven't wore a hat in two years. I wear head bands usually, And so this hat disappeared and I looked all over for it, just thinking I must have worn it.

50:17 I don't remember wearing it, and then and nothing. I never found it. And so then, oddly enough, I bought some some local salmon steaks and I have those in the freezer, and I always wanted to eat when you know, they're kind of expensive. So I was going to like do something special with it to figure out how it was going to cook it, and I just put it in a fridge to let it fall out, and I would worry about it later. I'd figure something out later. And you know, if I opened my fridge, which has like five things in it, you know, I would see that salmon steak and it would be a reminder that, oh, yeah, I need to have that eat that in the next couple of days. And like ten days go by and I'm thinking about salmon again, thinking I need to have one of those salmon steaks, and then I remember, yeah, I already sawed one out. It's I can't believe it, and so I jumped up and ran to the fridge and I thought, man, I wonder if it's still good.

51:13 It wasn't in there. So the salmon steak is not in there. And I did not cook the steak and eat it because I would. I was waiting for this to happen so that I could practice different recipes or whatever, and I was going to share it with some friends, and you know what, I so anyway, the salmon steak was not there. And then the big one was when I had that very expensive piece of clothing. I had three things hanging in my closet for months. I had a puffy jacket like some shirt, and then I had these expensive winter pass you know, two hundred plus dollars, and I had already used them for the season and I hung them in the closet, so I wasn't going to use them again for another nine months probably, And one day I was comparing my you know, I was going to order something and I wanted to check the wais size, whatever. So I want to look at these pants in the closets. There's only three items in the closet, and they're not there. The pants are not there, and so I'm tearing my place apart which takes five minutes to look through everything. And those pants are not anywhere in my apartment. So the only place they could be is in my vehicle, which I do have like a tote in there, which I keep some year in case I get stranded overnight and I can you know, I have a sleeping bag and some cold weather stuff and I always have that tote internet, and I knew it wasn't in there because I don't use those pants. I

52:44 use puppy type down and synthetic puppies if I'm going to be stranded overnight. You know, these were not like that. These were just lined pants. But my van put has parked like one hundred yards away from where I or where my apartment is, and so I just was telling myself the next time I go drive somewhere, I need to check that tote. So finally I'm up on the mountain. This is when that happened. I keep in mind, I tore all this stuff apart over and over, like three times, like you do when you lose your keys or something. You keep looking in the same place like it's going to suddenly appear, and it's just like there's nowhere else to look. It's a it's a big thick pair of pants.

53:27 So I'm up on the mountain and I'm doing my thing, and I remember, oh, yeah, I got to check that toat. So I pull over on the side of the mountain and I checked the toat, and of course they're not in there. I knew they were not in there, So that's where I was getting sat up. And I actually just kind of did like some people do, and I don't I think. I think I yelled it out loud, like into the forest. I was like, I want my pants back, and and I don't know what to tell you other than I drove home and the pants are in the closet. So if you know you don't know me, you don't know, you know, I understand. Like as somebody else was telling me that story, I'd be like, well, you know, people sometimes just start that focused. You know, you were just not paying attention, and they were there the whole time. So then one day I'm sitting in my chair in my apartment in the early still dark and having coffee and beside me comes this bubble like I would say, two and the inches wide, like you would like a kid would blow bubbles. The bubble floats by me like two feet away. Ah, just and so

54:59 the only way that bubble could be there, it's that somebody standing behind me in my apartment blowing a bubble, which freaked me out in a way, like I was out of that chair and turned around in like less than a second and there's of course nobody there, and I look around and the bubbles gone. So again it's like these things add up, right, like one of these has to be weird. And then the only other thing that can happen that I remember, apartment wise, is I had a bowl outside I lived. I lived on the second floor and I shared a balcony with someone else, a friend of mine that I that I worked with, and there was a bowl like a dog would drink out of outside of my door on the balcony. There's no access to this balcony. You have you go out the other side of the apartment. It's a daylight situation.

55:58 And I go out there in the bowl was full of water. So that bowl was always empty, you know, is dried sat there all the time. And I went out there one day and I look in. The bowl is full of water and it sits on and there's a big overhang, so no rain taking in there. And if the rain did blow in there, then it's gonna soak this indoor outdoor carpeting that they have on the balcony. And I knew it didn't rain and nothing else was wet. I'm out there in my stock, but this bowl is full of water oddly enough, as weird as its very benign whatever. So that's basically everything that I have to say as far as you know, noticeable odd things that stand out, the encounters I had, and then eventually I just sort of crawled out of my the PTSD aspect and more so, you know, because the metal skayhand thing the whole point of the ceremony. When he had that experience at the ceremony and went back out in the woods, he wanted to know, am I okay? Are we okay now? Right?

57:25 Because he had to correct something and he got that holler, so he got, you know, in his mind that was like, oh, I guess we're okay, you know, because he did what he was supposed to do according to the medicine man. And I just feel like the deer and the holler and uh, the man in black kind of thing that I talk about like I think they're just basically saying to me. For whatever reason, I didn't conjure any of this stuff. I didn't go looking for this, but it's part of what I think is maybe another conversation about that this is all spiritual. You know, these are not these are not aped, these are not leftover cave men or anything. That's clear to me. But I think it has to just do with at least in my case, it has to do with your attitude. How when you start going down a spiritual road of developing humility and like getting rid of your dysfunction and anger towards life and unforgiveness, which you know, that's that's what I was also doing at the same time, which is why all these things start happening. And and then there's just one other quick story that I thought about much later, which

58:55 when I was first going to lead the Portland area and to Idaho, I traveled around and I met I was in I was in central Oregon, and I met a woman who was also like going to live in her van and travel for a while, and so we sort of camped out by near the Dishus River and we hung out for a couple of days and she was basically a psychic, and which I didn't both, you know, put a lot of faith in any of that, and tried to understand exactly what she did. And she was a little vague about it, like I didn't know if she was a past life aggressionist or whatever, but I did.

59:37 I shared with her. So none of the Idaho stuff happened at this point. And but I was already kind of going down the road of the PTSD on the Oregon stuff that happened. And I shared with her that what happened with the Sasquatch experience in Oregon. And I said, and then my research is showing me that they might be spiritual being And she said, well, I would have to have a session with you in order to know if they're attached to you or whatever. And I'm like, you mean like hypnosis then you go into a trance kind of thing. And she's like, Dad, I'm like, nah, yeah, okay, I'm never going to see her again. But she lived.

1:00:17 She just lived down the road for man that turned out in the Portland area. But then later during this camping, she came to me and said, your Sasquatch friends or something like that wanted me to let you know they know you and you're okay. So just understand, like this is long before I've gone down the wu road of this stuff, which I completely believe in now, Like having watched interviews from like Rich Jermu, especially his two part interview on a Flasha Beauty walked out a couple of times, just the most profound stories like that are at that level. Ever, he had the very similar things happened to him, right, So I didn't take much put much stock in it at the time when she said that because other things happened like that in the past too that I just you know, I don't know, you just don't know. But looking back, I just find it odd that I had all these experiences in Idaho, which seems to I know they were culminating to something. So this character on the road is looking at me with these with these make believe telescope as though I see you right the deer and then the stuff in the apartment, like a bubble

1:01:48 comes floating by me in my apartment, so I know, I mean, I know they're there. I know they're watching me in some way. And so when I'm in the woods now it's like it doesn't matter to me because I'm not going to stop going in the woods. The only thing I don't do well and I haven't done, is like spend the night, because I just I can handle a lot of things, but not three o'clock in the morning, you know, knock on the side of the vehicle or pressing in on my tent. I just don't think I'm ready for that. I don't think I need it. But somehow I have a parallel story for another time that you know, has to do with like spiritual Christianity and abandoning doctrine in the church and stuff for trying to be a better person, a humbler person, more honest and loving and forgiving towards other people. Which has been a great journey and it's worked. But what's odd looking back is I had like a supernatural experience on the Christian side during this journey in the very beginning. When I look back and I do the math as FoST as I can tell, that's when I had my first experience in Oregon with the screen. Again, it may not be related at all, but so basically I was doing I would have a spiritual journey on the right or

1:03:20 I guess on the one hand, and then on the other hand, I'm having this increasingly dark and terrorizing experience with this paranormal bigfootstop on the other side. But so that's so that's a really big that's a huge deal, I think. Okay, we'll go ahead. What do you think about that? So you were, you were walking, you were you were trying to figure yourself out spiritually, at the same time this stuff is starting to amp up. Is that the correct way of hearing that. Yeah, So in the beginning, when I had this profound experience with another religious person, which I could probably share with you in three minutes, but it was it was supernatural for sure, And yeah, but I had I had the scream in Oregon at the northborok of the John Day Campground area. But then nothing happened to me after that for several years, so I was probably in Yeah, so it was like too, like this whole thing with the sasquatcham was probably so ten years ago.

1:04:32 I was. Would have been twenty fifteen, So this was probably like two thousand and twelve ish that I had the sasquatch screen. And then fast forward to two thousand and eighteen ish when I learned the steven Is Doll thing was where I got introduced to sasquatch actually real first time I started to believe it. So but you know, in the spiritual world, who knows, Like times don't matter. But I what happened to me on the spiritual side was pretty profound, and it's almost like it unlocks something on the darker side, like I turned a corner spiritually. This is like, this is like Christian based spirtuality, not like New Age. But also it was the beginning of something that was about to happen to me in the future, which is the story I just told you where when I called Wes, when I or emailed Wes, I was laying in the fetal position on the floor and like with no hope, I felt like the only person on the earth. It's a weird it's a weird depressive feeling. It's more than sadness.

1:05:57 It's hard to explain. And so that was the bottom. That was the very bottom for me. But the whole, the whole message I get is as this as I climbed out, was how much faith do you really have? Like I basically went on a journey of faith of like trusting in God for for my life and for my circumstances and not worrying about the future and sort of looking for miracles and like, you know, because I had like a fundamentalist Christianity upbringing that just didn't make sense to me. There was a lot of problems with it, and it was it was often cold and another story.

1:06:41 But so that's what I walked away from. And when I did, I had this profound experience and a cul de sac with an member of the old S Church that was that was building for some time. And so when that happened, the feeling and this feeling, if any he wants to hear it described really well again, was on the Flash of Beauty. Recent video, maybe only the last one or two or three videos that they did, was with a guy who was sitting with some water in the background and he's kind of like out in the trees and he's sitting telling a story and he describes this exact thing. And this just freaked me out because this was like two weeks ago. I'm just listening to his story because I keep up on your channel, I keep up on their channel. This guy, I don't think was like Christian based. I think he was more like metaphysical or whatever Eastern thinking, and he describes in there his experiences where this warm walk, you know, it's like this warm feeling washes over you to your innermost like every he said, like every cell in my body was just filled with like love type thing. The way he described it was exactly what I experienced with a really to heart emotional conversation I had with an LDS meeting, you know, Latter day Saints member who I had a discussion with in the streets, and that was Yeah, So

1:08:17 that happened to me. And the other time that that happened to me, the only other time in my life was forty years earlier, a teenager in a church, in the church that I was forced to go through by my parents, and I had no idea what the guy was saying. Ever, he was always up there renting and raven and you know, running back and forth on the stage, and I just didn't really, I was just there looking at the girls and stuff. I didn't know what was going on. But I had that exact same experience in the in the few sitting next to my parents, And ever since I had that experience, it opened my eyes to spiritual things that's all I can say. As a teenager, I never told that. I've never told us story to maybe three people in my life. So I went forward in my life being very is a very dysfunctional upbringing, all the all the stuff you might have heard about with the sleep paralysis and dark figures in the room and just bad parenting and all that. Right, so I think that's all connected. But it's it's basically just you know, you're in darkness, you're blind, and then at some point God opens your eyes. And then later in my life having this, you know, one wanting to know more truth, like believing that the fundamentalist Christianity is not the answer.

1:09:40 That's obviously not the answer. If you read the Sermon on the Mouth, he doesn't talk about any doctrine in there. Jesus doesn't mention any doctrines starting with the beatitude, you know, Matthew five, six and seven. It's all about you have to, you know, do what I say, go the extra mile. Know, give to the poor, give your body to be burnt, love your neighbor as yourself, Love love your God with all your heart. And I'm looking around at the church after twenty years, I'm like nobody's doing this, like we're just like having Bible study and you know, checking off boxes and acting like, however, we want the rest of the week. I'm like, you know, I want, I want to know the truth. I got to get out of here, and I did. And at the same time, I had this sequence of things with the LDS missionaries that would come to my door every say, once a month, and I always had great talks that started out very fundamental, but as time went on, I realized, you know why, I'm taught to like hate these guys, right, I'm taught that these are the enemy, and I'm thinking that at least they believe in God, Like I can't even find anybody who will who understands what's the basics, which is, you know, creation versus evolution, and people are just into their football games and kind of checked out, and like, at least I had these guys like and talk to about spiritual things, you know, So why am I Why am I arguing with them? So after about four times of them coming to my door every once in a while, my message became more and more, let's put the Bibles down,

1:11:13 let's just talk. And I could feel it building in me I could feel like like I was welling up, almost like with cheers. Something was happening. Well. The kid that the kid that I met in the cul de sac was not a missionary. He was an eighteen year old kid, I think, short little guy that was that was passing out brochures for something else, like he was doing summer job. He was up from Salt Lake City and by then, you know, so when he mentioned Salt Lake City, I said, oh, are you ohds by the chance, and he goes, yeah, he goes, I just got back from my missionary work in Mexico. We were building houses. And at that point it's just him and I standing in this cul de sack, which has two daycares in it, and there's usually tons of people coming and going, but it was completely quiet. I'm standing out there with this kid that's just staring at me like kind of almost like with his arms folded, just looking at me like waiting for me to ask. So I go on this rant about. I go on this rant about, like, man, it seems so stupid that we're you know, we believe a lot of the same things you believe in after life.

1:12:20 I believe in after life, and I know, you know, our differences are technical and stuff, but at least you believe in something right. And so I go on this emotional rant and he's just staring at me the whole time, like like he's waiting, and I'm thinking, you know, I'm probably talking too much, and this kid's kind of freaked out, and all of a sudden, I feel well as I'm sort of like as it's welling up in me, I feel coming down from above this warm You just have to watch that video to like the guy described it better than I can with flash of beauty, and I'm sort I sort of hesitate for a second in my rant, and I'm feeling this going down through me and I'm looking sort of down at my feet, and then he says, do you feel that?

1:13:12 Oh wow? And then at my At that point I kind of looked up at him. He just had that same look on his face like sort of gave me a nod. He's like, that's love, and he walked off. So again it's like I did I did I guess something right? You know, I was on some right journey, I guess. I want to say, it's like I got confirmation that when you conjure up that much passion for people and concern. You know, like I might hate this guy I'm talking to, but if all of a sudden he starts bleeding to death, I'm going to all my attitude is going to change immediately, right, And so it's kind of like that's how you have to be with people. So that's you know, that's a long story, I know, and but that's basically the journey I was on. And to this day, that journey has been a whole book I could.

1:14:04 Write absolutely absolutely my goodness, So just real quick, So after you you started down that journey, that's when the weird stuff start happening for you. Yes, so it started happening. And then when I when I was mature enough. So in other words, I was challenging God in a way, not not sort of in my prayers, but just like I don't care about my money, I don't care about my future, and I don't care about my health, like because the Bible says, why do you worry about the things in the future? Why do you worry about what's the clothes you're going to put on or whatever. It's like the things that you eat.

1:14:49 It's like the birds of the air, don't worry about that stuff, and yet I take care of them. Don't you think I would take care of you? So those kind of sort of red letter Christianity that call it like and I'm like, yeah, why, why how much faith do I have if I'm like, on the one hand, go in the church, but I'm worried about how much money I got my four oh and k for twenty years from now. So I just went down this road of I'm abandon aiding all that, like I'm done with all that stuff. Like and so as soon as I started down that road, all the stuff started happening, not just the sasquat stuff, but the good stuff, like the miracles in my life, one after the other after the other. So that I'm in the situation now that I'm in where I'm in the best place I've ever been in my life on my patience level, my forgiveness for my family, you know, like my happiness, my sense of humor has increased.

1:15:40 I'm making people laugh everywhere I go. I get Employee of the month, people want me, you know, to be friends, and like just opportunities come just just when you need a hundred bucks or something. As soon as you turn off the switch that the worry switch, the one hundred bucks shows up, and so once you're standing you can turn it on and off with your humility. When you just let things go, let you know, like forgiveness, then things start happening. It's like a ball that you get rolling. So but at the same time the sasquatch thing with interwoven with that and the message I get, I get these downloads, I get these down with. I was a troubleshooter all my life for high tech, you know, electro mechanical stuff and like really complex troubleshooting, and so a lot of times it's the same way there. You gotta let your subconscious like sometimes we'll troubleshoot something for three weeks and we can't figure it out. It's going to be very expensive. I just developed this sort of instinct.

1:16:45 I was very sensitive to when I was getting frustrated or impatient with somebody and realizing it was a test. So you know, I would get these messages sort of in my mind. I would just kind of like be sitting there and all of a sudden it was dawn and me what the answer it was to something, whether it's troubleshooting technical thing or whether it was you know, a reminder that I'm being angry and worried about something I shouldn't. But the ultimate test has come to me. The ultimate test is how much faith do you have? If you really have faith, then go out there. They're waiting for you at three o'clock in the morning, no guns, no flashlights, and no camera, and let's see how much faith you really have because we already know it from experience that they're not going to hurt you. Right, we already know the technical stuff, So what are you worried about anyway? Right? See, that's the message I get, So go do that. Let's see how your faith is after that.

1:17:49 And that is not something I have been able to fully do, but to the degree that I have done it, it definitely pulled me out of my hole. So now I realize it's game that I'm weak in some regards and that you know that test is always waiting for me. It's just super interesting. The whole thing is just very I understand it bizarre. I'm like, I'm a normal person, you know, otherwise like so, but I know you guys, your audience and stuff will understand this kind of stuff because of you know that this is all this kind of stuff surrounds this phenomenon. I'm able to talk to you, guys, I guess more about spirituality than I can. You know people in the local church who would think I'm completely nuts.

1:18:34 Oddly enough, exactly oddly enough, Steve, this what an incredible account and one that is still continuing to go on for you as you work through this. You're definitely in a much better place. But you know, I just want to say, first off, thank you for sharing your entire story. I know is a very personal story and I just feel privileged to hear it and to be able to share it on this platform. Please, you know, stay stay in touch if things continue to happen, But personally, I would love to know, like how the rest of your journey plays out. Man, Well I'll give you an update and you know, maybe once a year or every six months or something, and I'd be glad to do it. And it's a it's a pleasure and a and a release to be able to talk about some of these things, because you know, I can talk about bits and pieces to different kinds of people, but to be able just to lay out the whole thing I told you I did it one other time and it took me about two hours, and it's you know, I felt better for like a week after that, just being able to talk about it. So it's you know, I owe you, is the way I look at it. You're the one that's like the doctor sitting in the chair listening to me all go over the place with these different stories. But on the other hand, I just want anybody out there listening to maybe get some kid bits here and there, because maybe they had a weird experience, like when I watched mel skahand that one little part of that made a lot of sense

1:20:06 in what happened to me. Not only was I thinking about him deeply, but I had the same exact response that he got, which is, you know, so this stuff just goes on and on, right, and maybe somebody will see an ORB like I did, or they'll see some figure in black on the street or whatever, and now will be like, oh, I heard this story before from a guy that was on a spiritual journey, and so they can sort of plug that puzzle teeth into their puzzle of life, you know, and try to make a little more sense out of it. Absolutely, Oh my goodness, dude, Thank you, Steve. Thank you so much for sharing again, and it has been a privilege to talk to you today. All right, well, thank you and let's keep in touch.

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