Aug. 15, 2025

Something Watched Me From 200 Yards — Then Vanished | Oregon | Idaho

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Season 1

What happens when a lifelong outdoorsman begins a spiritual transformation — and the forest starts watching back? In this haunting episode, we sit down with Steve, a wilderness photographer and hunter with decades of experience in the Pacific Northwest. After a terrifying scream shattered the silence of the Elkhorn Mountains, Steve’s life changed forever.

He shares a series of chilling and mystical encounters — from unexplained footsteps outside his truck, to a scream so loud it "blew his skin off," to a dead deer seemingly gifted by something unseen. As Steve pursued both wildlife and personal healing, he began to notice patterns: trees snapped in impossible ways, strange lights in the forest, objects vanishing from his apartment — and finally, a silent figure in black watching him from the road below.

This episode dives deep into the intersection of the paranormal and the spiritual, with stories from the John Day Wilderness, the Salmon River, and the Idaho backcountry. More than just Bigfoot, this is a journey through faith, fear, and the mysterious intelligence that might be watching those who are ready to see.

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron

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Tonight's story isn't from just a weekend hiker or someone

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just passing through the area. It's from Steve Hunter, and

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wildlife photographer who spent decades deep in the forests of

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the Pacific Northwest. But what started as peaceful trips into

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the John Day Wilderness turned into something else. Screams in

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the dark and snap trees, and it just goes wilder

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from there. This isn't just a Bigfoot story. It's also

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a spiritual journey of Steve and it's still unfolding to

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this day. So stay with us, all right, Big Fat Society.

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I've got the privilege of talking to Steve today. Steve

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is an individual that contacted me via email about some

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interesting things he's experienced over the years regarding Bigfoot in

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the northwest corner of the United States. So we've got

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a lot of ground to cover today. We were talking

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a little bit before recordings started, So Steve, welcome to

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this show. How are you doing today, sir?

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I'm doing really good. Thank you very much.

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Fantastic, fantastic. I love hearing accounts from the places that

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we're going to be talking about Steve, So you know,

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feel free to go ahead, and I'm going to pass

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a mic over to you take us back as far

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as we need to go, and I know you have

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this all worked out, so feel free to take the

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rains man.

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Okay. Yeah. So I'm sixty years old now and probably

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about fifteen years ago. I've always been in the woods

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hunting all my life and hiking, backpacking, and so I

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used to backpack solo and people would always ask me,

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am I afraid of bears? And am I afraid of

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big butt or whatever? I always thought the big foot

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thing was nonsense, and so I was hunting and camping

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out of the North Fork of the John Day Wilderness Campground,

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which is over out of Yukaya. It's like, oh, it's

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like Highway fifty two. It's like a forest road, but

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it's actually a paved road, so we just call it

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the fifty two, which goes all the way to Granted

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and then eventually somewhere where it changes to I think

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it's Highway seventy one or whatever the Elkhorn Mountains or

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right there. So there's this nice campground there with the

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wilderness Trail, the thirty twenty two trail, and so I

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started hunting and there I was backpacking in there. I

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eventually car camp in the in the campground and did

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my hunting from there, and I went out there. I

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took people out there, friends, family, We backpacked in the

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car camp. I spent a lot of time in You know,

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the snow doesn't really clear out of there until juneish,

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and so as soon as I could get in there,

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I would start either camping or hunting for bear in August,

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just for a reason to go out there and scout

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for elk and so, and then I would be out

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of there by rifle season, which would be October. So

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I was in there for one reason or another for years,

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and I got to know this area pretty close to

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the campground, and I ended up getting a couple of

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elk out of there in my first ever elk, and

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I just kind of loved the area, and the camp

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sites were nice and they were primitive. And so the

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first thing that happened to me, I'm going to go

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kind of fast here because I got a bunch of

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stuff in Idaho that's important. Also, So the first thing

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that ever happened to me is I was sleeping in

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the back of my truck with a canopy on it.

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And I knew most of the guys in the campground.

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They were regular hunters, and we would always see each

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other all all summer long, so I knew who did what.

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And occasionally, hardly anybody ever went down the wilderness trail

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at thirty twenty two. Most most of the hunters always

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hunted the easier areas around the surrounding area and they

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would so they would fire up their pickup trucks and

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they would go drive and find and go to their

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easy hunting spots. And I always like to go down

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the trail because I can get away from people. But

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there's really nothing to hunt in there unless you're willing

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to climb right out of that canyon, which I did,

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and so it worked for me. But so whatever year

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it was, I was sleeping in the back of my

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pickup truck and about three in the morning, I had

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to I got to go to the bathroom, and it

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was one of those nights where you couldn't see your

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hand in front of your face, so like I would

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go right out of the back of my pickup truck

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on the tailgate because I had to lift the truck

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and it was too much to jump out, and I

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was going to try to get back to sleep. So anyway,

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it was one of those nights where I had to

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hold onto the vehicle while I was going to the

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bathroom because I couldn't see literally anything in front of

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my face. It was just solid, like you couldn't see

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the sky, the tree line. So as soon as I

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laid back down and closed up the back of the

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truck with the canopy and the tailgate, I heard footsteps

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coming down the gravel road there at the campground road.

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So I had a little window that was always open,

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and so immediately I sat up and I thought, well,

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I don't know who's leaving, who's walking this way at

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three o'clock in the morning, but like, I know these guys,

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so I'm going to say something to them. So I

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immediately expected to see a flashlight. You have to have

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a flashlight or you literally can't walk like twenty yards,

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and there was no flashlight, and I and it was

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a little you know, it was about twenty yards away,

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and so it just seemed like it was louder walking

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than it should be. When I didn't see the flashlight,

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I kind of freaked out a little bit, and like

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I knew something was coming, so I laid back down

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and I just sort of freaked out a little bit.

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I knew, for some reason instinctively, the next thing that

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was going to happen with something was gonna bang on

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the side of my vehicle and there's gonna be a

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face looking at I don't know why I thought that,

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because I actually thought about I actually thought about Bigfoot

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at that point, which is kind of odd. So nothing happened.

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I couldn't get back to sleep, of course, and I

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did my thing, flashlighting my way through the dark to

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get to my spot. Nothing happened. So fast forward to

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the next summer, same area, except I drove around to

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the top on the fifty two roads and then just

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was going to scout in there, and that's where the

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big things started to happen. So it was a beautiful morning.

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The sun is just rising over the Elkhorn Mountains. I'm

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only sixty yards from my truck and the light rays

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are shining through the trees, and I just know it's

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going to be a great day. I say, I'm going

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to see something, and right at that point I got

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the classic ear shattering heart pounding scream of the fast glasses,

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which at the time I had no idea what that was.

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So so it was about I would say, five seconds long,

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and it was the typical what I would tell people

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later when I took them camping there. I would tell

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them both stories about something to walk by my truck

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very big, and then I would tell them about the stream,

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which I described as as loud as a training horn,

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that sounded like a cross between a lion and a

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woman screaming, which is odd because later I would hear

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other people describe it like that and so, but at

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the time, although it scared me to death, it didn't

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startle me like where I dropped something. It was just

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sort of like I tell people, it would like blow

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my skin off, like if it was a cartoon, it

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would have like blew my skin off. You know. It

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was just so out of place. But for some reason

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I just blanked out on what it could be. And

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I actually started to sneak through these little pine trees

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that these like Christmas trees that were on either side

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of this little road as you go into the forest,

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and so I decided I just had no idea. I thought,

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there's got to be some people over there doing something weird.

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There's no vehicles out there on the road, and this

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is where so so I only go about like probably

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ten yards, and I get through these little pine trees

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and I look over across the somewhat clear area. I

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know every inch of this territory, and standing there was

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a cow elk. So the cow elk oddly enough, So

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I'm looking at this elk, thinking, I have no idea

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how what could make that sound. There must be a

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bull elk laying there that I can't see, and it

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must have been able to stream out loud. I don't know,

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but I did notice I'm looking at the elk, and

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I noticed that it looked very silhouettish. Usually elk are

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kind of looking around or moving a little bit, their

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ears are twitching, and this was not doing that. This

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was just like a cardboard cutout sort of weird. So,

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believe it or not, I just kept going into the

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woods like I just didn't know what to think, and

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so I continued and nothing happened that I remember, other

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than I just thought about it on and off all day. Okay,

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So fast forward years go by. I'm always telling that story.

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And so when hunters or whatever say before I can

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get to the elk part. When they the stream, they go, well,

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you know a mountain lion, kids do that, or mountain

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lions can be very loud, and it could have been

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this or that. And then I tell them the elk part.

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I said, okay, so if it was a mountain lion,

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why would an elk be standing there next to the

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mountain lion? And then you know, everything gets silent at

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that point in the conversation. So so what happened was

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years later, I was following for whatever reason, I wasn't

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in the hockey eade where I got into wildlife photography,

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but I was following Steve i Isdall on YouTube and

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listening to his hunting story and then he told the

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story at one point one of the video was about

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his first encounter, which I didn't even know what that meant,

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but because I liked him so much and I felt

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like he was a real down to earth, honest guy,

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you know, with the hunting stories and everything. So he

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tells the story, which kind of got me to thinking,

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to put it mildly, and I basically sort of started

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to really rethink, started to think back, well, I didn't know,

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fat Squatch screamed. At the time, I didn't know anything

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about him, so but I just started to realize that, oh,

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maybe it is true. So then my wheels just started

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spinning and it really started to make me hesitate about

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going in the woods. So the next thing that happened,

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I started like looking into it more on the internet,

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and I started finding all kinds of stories from people

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that were mountain climbers or like one guy from South

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Africa who because I don't even know what his podcast

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was about or his interviews that he did. He was

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in South Africa, but he's an American guy and he

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was into like security or something, and so his channel

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was about that. But because I searched for Bigfoot, he

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told his Bigfoot story about when he was a teenager.

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And again, so I started hearing all these stories and

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I just I'm starting to go into a little bit

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of a spiral. And then when and I'm just going

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to throw these names out there and not the channels.

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If you want to, if you want to bring up

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the channel whatever, you know, you can just stop me

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or whatever. But I'm not sure that you want me

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to mention all these channels.

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But you just keep talking to who you need to

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and it's fine, okay, okay.

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So carry Arnold. I found that I found his experience,

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which is where they went out into the woods and

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relived his experience like ten or so years later after

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he had and in Mississippi, and that one when that happened,

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I was in the suburbs of Portland, not even close

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to any kind of woods, and I was looking up

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at the curtains that were cracked open, and I started

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to like really freak out because it just was dawning

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on me that this is like the whole thing was

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starting to dawn on me. And like in his interview

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he mentioned the screaming and stuff, and then I realized

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that's that's what it all started making sense, and I

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had to start rethinking all this stuff. So that led

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me into a real spiral of emotion that got really bad.

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it made me realize I need to go back out there,

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and I need to like face this thing down kind

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of thing, like I'm a wildlife photographer, like I just

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started a new life and now I don't want to

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be out there. So I did. I went back up there,

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and I and I stayed in the vehicle and stuff,

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but I just wanted to try to get through the

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night and get through my fear and all that. And

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it was terrible, but I did it and nothing happened.

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But I was pretty close to my first encounterspot and

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I was doing panoramas of the Milky Way galaxy. So

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I had to be out there at like one or

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two in the morning to shoot this panorama for somebody

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else that wanted this shot. And I just remember, you know,

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when you do that long exposure, you have to turn

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off all the lights, right, have to be off while

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you're doing a long exposure. And I just remember like

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already just being on edge and just kind of turning

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and looking into the absolute blackness that was five feet

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away from me, just knowing something was gone, like was

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standing there. I could just feel it. But anyway, so

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I knew that the answer was not to live and

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fear the rest of my life. So okay, So that's

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what happened in Oregon. Was the screen, the elk, and

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then you know, whatever walked by my truck, which is

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not earth shattering, but the but the screen, you know,

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nobody would deny that that's something up out of this world, right,

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so if you were there especially so then So I'm

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living with this and dealing with it, and I'm doing

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like I'm going into the Coastal Range mountains with stuff

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and doing photography and that, and I'm you know, I'm

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on edge all the time a certain a certain level

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of like almost like PTSD. So I moved to Idaho

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and I start operating photography up the Salmon River out

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of McCall. But I drive to the Salmon River and

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the first thing that I'll just give you the sequence.

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And I don't know if these things are all related,

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but I the very first thing that happened was it's

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very hot and windy in this part of the country

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in the summertime. And there was a day where it

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was one hundred degrees and the wind was just blowing

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like crazy like it does here in the afternoon. And

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I decided, you know, not to even bother doing any

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kind of photography. I was just going to go sit

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in the shade by the river on there's a one

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picnic table and I had a fold up rocking chair

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and I would just put my feet up on the

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picnic table, and I had a pair of binoculars that

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I had brought with me instead of my camera because

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I wasn't going to see anything, and I was it

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was too hot. So the wind is howling, and I'm

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kind of like looking up through the trees with the

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you know, the sun is directly overhead, and I can

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see the seeds and the dust and birds and whatever

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just blowing around, stuff everywhere in the air. And then

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I looked downstream about probably three hundred yards and I

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see something flying up the river and about thirty or

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forty feet off of the water. And I'd like to

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do birds in flight photography, and so I was like, well,

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that's great, I don't have my cameras in the truck

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and like, oh well, so, but I happened, for whatever reason,

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to bring the binoculars. So this thing's coming down the river,

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and as it's getting closer to me, go it's going

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to be on my left. Here I noticed there's no

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wings flapping, and it's not moving. It's not being moved

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by the wind. I thought maybe it was a balloon

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that got loose, but it's not being affected by the wind.

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So as it gets I bring up the binoculars and

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as it's like directly to my left, I zoom in,

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I get a perfect shot of this thing, which was

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this little disk weird looking flat on the bottom but

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like domes on the top when it looked like it

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had like three little legs sticking down. And I'm just

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fascinated that this thing is not affected by the wind

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in any way. So that's all that happened there. But

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I thought maybe it was some new kind of drone,

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and I found out I talked to a drone expert

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later and I described it. He said, yeah, there's nothing

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that I know of that is like that. So during

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this time, I'm visiting people in the area, and I'm

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finding out other people have had experiences which we can

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talk about. And then probably what I call the Big Three.

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So all this all this time, I'm studying online, you know, videos,

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your stuff, West of stuff and whatever I can find,

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and just watching interviews and getting more and more spiraled

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into sort of this like my worldview is being shattered

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kind of thing, and I need I don't know what's

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going on, you know, I need to. Everybody else seems

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so casual about it on the podcast and stuff, and

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I'm just like, this is like, this is the biggest

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story in modern history. I don't understand everybody's sort of

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like taking it for fun, like it's a hobby to

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go out and bang on trees, and you know, I'm

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just like, I don't know what the thing. So it

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got to a point where, you know, it got really bad,

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and I thought I had nobody to talk to, and

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I actually emailed West and he never got back to me.

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And oddly enough, one of my friends the next day

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and I told him I need to talk to him,

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and I talked to him a little bit. I didn't

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tell him all the details, but I just I just said,

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I'm having a hard time with this, and so somehow

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he really helped me out with that, even though he

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doesn't believe in that necessarily. So and I'm glad I

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didn't talk to West because of what was about to happen,

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because if I did talk to West, I would like

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to add this into the story, which is what I'm

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going to tell you right now. So I'm living in

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an apartment and I'm going to mention another name from

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a Flash of Beauty, which is melse Gahan. And I

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think this is the first thing of the three things

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that happened. So every week I would work a few

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days at a store, and then I would spend my

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other days up the river dealing wild electrootography. And so

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between going out and well, every single day I'd be

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watching something and I was I was getting more and

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more sort of blown away by what I'm hearing, and

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I think this is important later if we have the time,

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I think, I think what it just has to do

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with is as far as having an interaction to something

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about your attitude, something about your level of humility and stuff.

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But that might be a different discussion. So I'll I'm

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I always go up on the same mountain, very steep,

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windy road that takes you up there, so the road

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can be in disrepair a lot, and so I leave

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my vehicle down at the bottom in the spring because

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it's very steep and there's always rocks rolling off the mountain,

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stuff in, trees falling over. So I hike up this

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road and all I'm thinking about is this interview with

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mel Kahan where he he was the Yakama Indian guy,

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or is the Yakama Indian Native American, and he talks

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about the ceremony that he attended, which if you haven't

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heard that, I'm probably I'm sure you have, but like

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it's profound what happened during this ceremony that he had

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that had nothing to do with Southquatch, And so that's

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all I'm thinking about as I'm walking back down the mountain,

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and I'm just zoned out on that. I'm not even

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looking around or anything. And then all of a sudden

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and I hear down in the valley below me near

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my vehicle, this long not as violent of the stream

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that I originally heard, but a long holler I guess,

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like a holler that lasted long enough for me to

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hear it. And then walk across the dirt road from

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the mountain side to the drop off side and stand

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there and still hear it, knowing that that's not something

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I've ever heard before. I don't remember that part of

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mele skahands after the ceremony what happened. I wasn't even

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thinking about that, but I'm listening to the sound, which

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stopped in a weird way. It sounded kind of like

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a two stroke motor as far as the whine of it,

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but it was like coming from someone someone was making

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the sound with their mouth. So I decided I'm going

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to walk down there, get in my vehicle and I'm

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going to drive up further up the canyon that's down there,

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another canyon, and if I see anyone, if I see

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any cows or animals or a wolf or whatever, I'm

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just going to dismiss the whole thing. So I do that,

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and there's nothing there. There's no sign of life, and

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it shouldn't there shouldn't be at this time of year.

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This is in the spring, probably two years ago, now,

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maybe it was last year. And so so I go

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back and I'm telling a friend of mine who's had

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an experienced himself. He's a believer. There's this local guy,

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and I show him that the melse Gahan video of him,

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just just the part where he's talking about the ceremony.

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And I'm not even remembering what happened after the ceremony.

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So my friend's sitting there listening to it. And then

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at the end of the story, melt has to go

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back out into the wood and do something and he

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has the same experience. He has the same holler happened

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to him. And so while my friend is watching this

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and I'm realizing, oh, I forgot, that's the exact same

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sound I just heard. I asked my friend, I go,

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what does that sound like to you? And he goes,

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two stroke motor. So I'm like, okay, that was That's weird, right.

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So I decide I'm going to go up into that

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canyon have a look around the next week, which I do.

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And it's a real narrow there's a creek that flows

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down it, and there's low It kind of looks like

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Oregon actually, with ferns and cedar trees, and it's kind

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of unique for this area because it's pretty dry here.

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So I go, I go up and I find a

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place where I can quite a bit further up, like

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maybe a mind or half a mile up path where

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I heard the south, where I can walk on a road,

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an old dirt road that's gated off. You couldn't hardly

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drive on. It's overgrown. So but I'm going to walk

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in there and just have a look around. And so

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the I'm walking up this little road and I see

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and there's a little bit of snow, it's actually snowing,

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and there's all these little like again like the Christmas

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trees that get up to like fifteen feet tall, pine

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trees or fir trees along the side of this road.

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It's a really nice, super quiet, walking soft And the

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first thing I noticed is one of those trees is

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broken over about I have a picture of it. It's

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about so I'm like six foot so it's a little

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bit like six or seven foot up green tree, which

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would normally be very rubbery, very difficult to break, and

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it's just snapped over. And but it's growing well, it's

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growing from down the hill up past me, so it's

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probably from the base of the tree. It's probably about

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eight or nine feet or something, I can't remember. I

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got pictures of it, so I'm like, oh wow, And

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no other trees. I've never seen a tree broke like that,

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especially a green tree. I've seen a thousand dead trees.

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So I'm like, oh, worth taking a picture of. So

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I walk another hundred and yards up this road and

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the trees kind of disappear off the sides of the

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road and it's kind of open, and I turn this

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corner and there's a dead deer laying there on the road,

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like freshly killed, not warm, but like you could cut

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meat off of it and eat it. And the back

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of the deer is something got to you know, a

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hold of it and like tore out the bottom of

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the deer, and so there's a little bit of blood

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clots and stuff and hair on this road. And the

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deer's head was kind of oddly turned. So the deer's

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back was sort of facing me with its legs away

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from me, but its head was turned around looking at

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me with no eyeballs and so in and of itself.

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If I had just had nothing to do with Sasquatch,

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I would find that very odd that this deer is

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laying in this road. But it's just odd. Like I've

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covered hundreds and hundreds of miles thousands in my life

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and I've never seen anything like that. I've seen you know,

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road till and I've seen cougar pill and but anyway,

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I'm just like, oh, and so I'm looking at it,

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and you know, I just don't know, like obviously a

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mountain ion, you know, killed this animal and it's just

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right here on the road. But my approach would have

460
00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:05.880
been like one hundred percent quiet, Like it was as

461
00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:07.880
quiet as it could be. There was a snow going,

462
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:10.799
the road was wet, it was just tinyvel. I should

463
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:14.519
have walked up on either birds or a bobcat, kyotes

464
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:18.319
or something you would think there's no tracks. So I

465
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.200
keep going past the deer. I come back, the deer's there.

466
00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:26.000
I get back into my vehicle and I start heading out,

467
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:32.720
and I see another tree break on the main gravel roads. Obvious, big, bigger,

468
00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:36.920
one taller, but just stands out from all the other

469
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:43.960
trees broken over fresh. So now I'm seeing two tree

470
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:47.079
breaks that I've never seen before in my life, anything

471
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:50.960
like this in the same place, maybe two hundred yards apart,

472
00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:57.000
one on either side of the creek. Impossible, because you know,

473
00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:02.960
there's even with a tree deadfall, would have a hard

474
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:05.759
time snapping off the tree three quarters of the way up.

475
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:07.960
It's either just going to smash it down or it's

476
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:12.279
going to, you know, possibly break it in half. But

477
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:18.920
these are very rubbery, green trees. So I took a

478
00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:21.000
picture of that too, and that that was bigger, And

479
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.519
it's like I eventually took this friend of mine up

480
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:28.480
there months later, because he was a longer most of

481
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:31.480
his life, so he knows all about the possibilities of

482
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:35.880
tree breaks, and of course we're looking for possible pieces

483
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:38.039
of something that could have fallen off of another tree.

484
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:41.920
There's nothing. The forest floor was very clean on both

485
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:47.880
of the tree breaks. So he gets he's studying it.

486
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:51.279
He gets back in the in the vehicle and he's hmm,

487
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:57.079
He's like, there, noth looks like a tree break. So

488
00:29:57.079 --> 00:29:59.480
so that was the first thing that was the first week.

489
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:03.480
Let's to say, of the haller, the tree breaks the deer,

490
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:06.000
because when I mentioned the deer to him in the beginning,

491
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:09.519
when I got back, he's like, oh, that's a gift.

492
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:14.039
They gifted you the deer. And I was like, okay.

493
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:16.640
So then actually he wanted to do like peanut butter

494
00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:19.000
and jelly sandwiches and put and I went back out

495
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:24.119
there reluctantly, and to say I was on edge as

496
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:27.240
an understatement, but so I did the peanut butter and

497
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:29.039
jelly sandwich thing and hung it from a tree and

498
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:30.920
all this, and went back a week later and nothing

499
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:33.720
had touched it. But what was weird I almost forgot

500
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:36.119
this is that at one point when I was going

501
00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:40.960
in there back and forth, checking on situation, and I

502
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:43.160
was learning that if you really want to have an encounter,

503
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:47.440
don't take a camera, a gun or a flashlight. And

504
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:51.559
I'm not sure I want to have an encounter, but

505
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:54.359
for some reason I just felt like it was. It

506
00:30:54.440 --> 00:30:58.599
was part of what was coming. Something is building because

507
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:03.960
in my spiritual life, in my outside of the paranormal stuff,

508
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:07.160
like the same thing happens when you start practicing, you know,

509
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:10.799
spiritual principles of like giving and receiving and like karma.

510
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:17.160
But I just knew that something was building. And I

511
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:19.160
didn't know if it was just a face to face

512
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:22.319
encounter or something or a sighting like a class class

513
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:23.920
as site, and I didn't know if that's what was

514
00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:29.160
going on, but something was and so well you'll see.

515
00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:37.279
So the deer disappeared at one point, and I remember going,

516
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:40.279
I'm looking, I'm gonna I'm looking down on the ground

517
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:42.559
where the deer was, and there's zero evidence that the

518
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:44.799
there was a deer there. There's not a single strand

519
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:48.839
of hair, nothing. And I've seen a lot of dead deer,

520
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:53.160
and the hair will be there a year later if

521
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:55.119
you tear the hair, if you if you've got a deer,

522
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:59.319
the hair will be there a year later. And there

523
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:01.599
was not a single strand of hair there from what

524
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:05.319
potentially was Mountain Ion. You know that maybe ate it

525
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:07.599
or maybe it's probably too early for a bear in

526
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:10.599
that time of year. The bears are still in hibernation,

527
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:15.480
so coyote maybe, But the whole deer was gone, not dragged.

528
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:17.759
I looked all over for it. It couldn't have been

529
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:19.319
up the hill. The hill was two steeps, so it

530
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:20.720
had to be down the hill, and there was nothing

531
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:25.960
down there. There's no drag park. So I did the

532
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:28.200
peanut butter and jelly thing and nothing happened with that.

533
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:30.960
I was just I went in there a few times

534
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:33.200
and it was it was rough, like not going in

535
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:39.119
there with a gun, just knowing how vulnerable I were.

536
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:43.720
It's hard to describe. But at the same time, I'm

537
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:47.279
slowly I'm slowly climbing out of this PTSD hole. I'm

538
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:55.000
slowly well. So what happens the next week is I'm

539
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:57.160
I'm in the air, let's just say, in the area

540
00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:02.079
at dark. But I'm close to a town. I'm in

541
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:07.799
the town versus in the woods, and I'm in I'm

542
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:11.240
in a little spot outside the edge of town. And

543
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:16.319
it was dark, and so I was dealing with some

544
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:19.160
garbage and there was a dumpster there and I see

545
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:21.279
a little flash of light on the corner of my eye.

546
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:26.480
It caught my eye and I look and this orb

547
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:30.039
I guess you want to call It appears about eighty

548
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:34.559
yards away. This is the same timeframe as the deer

549
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:37.200
and stuff, which is a spring, so there's no leaves

550
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:39.799
on the trees, and there's a bunch of trees in

551
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:44.519
this This light green. I don't even want to say

552
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:46.200
it was an orb It didn't look around to me,

553
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:48.759
it looked flat. It was like the size of a

554
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:54.319
trash can lid. Green, like a green street light, like

555
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:58.400
a you know, traffic signals green light. It was that color,

556
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:03.000
but it had like almost like a green sort of flamy,

557
00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:06.640
fiery something or other. And this thing, this thing appears

558
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:10.920
after the flash, and it's going through the trees and

559
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:13.280
it's shaking up and down at the same time, like

560
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:17.920
it's vibrating up and down. And it probably lasted about

561
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:21.280
four seconds. And of course I realized just from listening

562
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:26.320
to videos and stuff, you know, watching videos, the ORB relation,

563
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:29.559
and all I felt like was, well, the next thing

564
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:31.280
that's about to happen is I'm going to have a

565
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:33.559
sasquatch stand in front of me, or I'm going to disappear.

566
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:38.519
And so I was tempted to just like gut it

567
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:40.519
out and see what happens, but I couldn't do it.

568
00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:44.199
I took off. So that was the second thing of

569
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:49.639
the three, which totally freaked out my friend for like

570
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:55.400
a year. Huge like this is not like a glowing

571
00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:57.360
orb floating through the street kind of thing, like a

572
00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:01.239
softball size or whatever. This was the size of a

573
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:07.679
car wheel or bigger. So nothing happened there either. And

574
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:13.679
then probably the weirdest thing happened. So on the third week,

575
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:20.559
I'm up the river and I decide with for my

576
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:23.119
photography that I'm just going to park off the paved

577
00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:26.440
road instead of going up into the canyons. I'm just

578
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:30.800
going to hike straight up the Salmon River. One of

579
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:35.639
the ridges that I can tell. It's very very narrow

580
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:40.960
tops on these ridges like with rock outcroppings, sort of

581
00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:45.079
like the back of I believe it's like the Stegosaurus dincer,

582
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:50.039
where you know, it's grassy sagebrush hills on both sides,

583
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:53.719
but they come up to a point of boulders that

584
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:57.360
stick up maybe twenty five feet high. You can't even

585
00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:01.199
walk on the very top because it's too bouldery. But

586
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:05.840
there's like these game trails that snake around the boulders

587
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:08.719
and work your way up higher, which which is very

588
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:10.920
easy walking. And it was one of the few times

589
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:16.880
that I had bring my trekking poles. I don't use

590
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:19.719
the US trekking poles, but sometimes when I come down

591
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:24.760
big steep mountains, my knees will give me problems. And

592
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:26.320
I had a pack on, I had all my stuff

593
00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:28.480
on my back, and I decided to take my trekking

594
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:30.679
poles to help brace the load on the way back down.

595
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:40.559
Which is interesting because as I'm coming back down, I'm

596
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:43.280
going this game trail. It's real easy walking because of

597
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:46.599
the game trail, but also the way that the boulders

598
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:50.480
are sort of naturally placed, almost looking like steps. It's

599
00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:55.719
real comfortable walking. And so I'm going I'm going along

600
00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:00.880
the edge as you're going down this nice edge ridge

601
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:07.079
knife yeah, nice top. You know. I'm on the right side.

602
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:09.360
And I got my trekking poll which makes it even

603
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:11.440
easier to walk, like you're not going to trip and fall.

604
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:16.800
And that's all I remember. And I wake up on

605
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:26.239
my face downhill. I just wake up like I blocked out,

606
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:33.159
and I had this you know, the typical like stereotypical

607
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:38.599
migrain headache for about one minute, like I got punched

608
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:44.199
in the face, which I, you know, essentially did, and

609
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:48.840
I don't understand how what happened because I didn't trip. Okay,

610
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:51.599
So I get up and I'm fine, and I'm wondering

611
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:54.199
how am I fine in all these rocks. I fellow

612
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:57.480
my face down hill with a pack on, and I

613
00:37:57.519 --> 00:37:59.599
look down where my head hit and there's one little

614
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:03.360
spot of dirt, a little dusty, soft spot of dirt

615
00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:07.679
where my face hits. Weird, like my nose isn't It's

616
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:12.559
just my forehead. So I'm like, man, that is that

617
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:15.400
was closed? I don't I must have tripped and don't

618
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:17.719
remember it. I don't know. But I didn't put my

619
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:21.039
hands down or brace my trekking poles or anything like

620
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:24.239
and that wouldn't be that weird. I wouldn't bring that

621
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:26.880
up except for what was about to happen five minutes later.

622
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.159
So now I'm on the left side of the ridge

623
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:33.159
going down. So I'm looking down at the paved road.

624
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:37.320
I see my van parked there. And because of the

625
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:41.119
ridge that I'm walking along, it's so steep, I can't

626
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:44.519
see to the right. I can't see downstream at all,

627
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:47.760
the whole mountain, all the way down, and I'm about

628
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:51.519
two hundred yards from my van. Broad daylight, middle of

629
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:56.679
the day, sunny blue sky. I can't see but about

630
00:38:56.719 --> 00:39:03.280
twenty five feet behind my van downstream. My van is

631
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:07.400
pointing upstream, and I can't see more than about twenty

632
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:11.840
five feet in front of my van because of the

633
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:16.800
brush down there that's growing up very high covering the road.

634
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:19.639
So my van is there twenty five feet on either

635
00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:24.719
side of pavement, and I'm fully cameoed out and like,

636
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:31.159
there's no way, there's no way anybody could ever see

637
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:33.960
me up there. There's no way anybody could see me

638
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:37.519
have gone up there, because you get out of the

639
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:42.039
van and this road is very it's remote, and it's

640
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:47.559
in this time of the year, it's nobody uses it.

641
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:50.519
You know, this is a rafting area stuff. But in

642
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:54.639
the spring there's just nobody up there, hardly ever. So

643
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:58.039
I'm just as I'm sort of like working all the

644
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:02.039
way down through this game trail, and I look up

645
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:06.920
at my vehicle and this figure walks into it, starts

646
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:13.320
approaching my vehicle on the paved road, and immediately it's

647
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:15.320
not that odd to have people walking up there, but

648
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:18.199
immediately I knew This was odd because not only was

649
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:23.039
it a very tall figure, dark from head to toe

650
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:26.599
black everything, shoes all the way up to the hat.

651
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:29.719
If there was a hat, I could tell. And it

652
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:32.840
was a tall, lanky figure that took a couple of steps,

653
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:35.960
and I hesitated because I just didn't know if somebody

654
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:38.039
was going to mess with my vehicle or I kind

655
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:41.199
of wanted to watch. And I had a camera on

656
00:40:41.239 --> 00:40:43.280
my back that I could have taken pictures of somebody

657
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:45.280
messed with my vehicle. Whatever. All this goes through your

658
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:52.519
head in like one second, and he takes tea I

659
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:56.360
guess he took a couple of steps, got beside my van.

660
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:02.320
He's in the only little window where I can see

661
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:05.840
him because he's about to disappear behind this thrush. And

662
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:08.639
I'm thinking this is weird, Like it didn't look like

663
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:12.639
a typical sightseer tourists that are kind of walking and

664
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:16.400
kind of lollygagon or whatever and looking up at the

665
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:18.360
mountains and looking at the river and looking around. This

666
00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:22.840
person was marching with their head down and he stops

667
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:25.639
right at my van and he does like a like

668
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:29.280
an about face kind of thing, looks right up at me,

669
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:33.159
which I just was completely frozen at this point. I'm like,

670
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:35.880
this is all happening in a second. But I'm like,

671
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:37.800
if he's looking at me, he's no way he can

672
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:41.480
see me. I'm literally the same color as the boulders.

673
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:45.519
My backpack and everything is brown and green and cameo

674
00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:51.280
two hundred yards away and I'm in this little pocket

675
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:53.280
of rocks and stuff. There's no way he sees me.

676
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:59.039
But then he brings his hands up as though he's

677
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:02.400
holding a telescope, not binoculars, but like a telescope, So

678
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:04.719
his hands are in front of one another, and he

679
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:08.440
brings them up to his eye and he's looking right

680
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:14.559
at me. So I'm just I don't know what to think, right,

681
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:17.199
I'm just frozen, of course. And then he turned and

682
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:22.920
he continues on his march, and so then I don't know.

683
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:26.920
It was like this road that he's on curves, curves,

684
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:29.320
and slightly to the left, a big arching curve, and

685
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:32.599
then it's gonna through a sharp left handtern and he's

686
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:35.840
going to be gone, So I can anticipate how far

687
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:40.159
he's probably is as I'm going down the hill, and

688
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:43.079
I'm thinking this is freaking me out, but I don't

689
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:45.000
know what to think at this point, like, there's no

690
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:47.679
way he knew I was up there. There's just a

691
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:49.960
zero chance that he knew I was up there, or

692
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:53.519
that he could see me. And I'm tempted to drive

693
00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:56.360
up there and ask him or whatever. So but I'm

694
00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:58.840
kind of freaked out of like realizing this is not normal.

695
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:02.519
But anyway, I get to about thirty yards or forty

696
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:08.360
yards from my van, and now those trees that would

697
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:12.400
have obscured him as he stepped into them in front

698
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:14.920
of my van, I'm looking through those trees at the

699
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:18.079
road and I know there's there's a spot I can

700
00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:19.880
see a pavement up there. I know he's going to

701
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:22.159
be there any second, and sure enough he popped out there.

702
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:26.000
So now I'm behind this big screen of trees looking through.

703
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:30.360
There's no way you know he would see me. Now,

704
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:33.239
I mean there's a lot of big, big trees, leafy

705
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:36.039
trees which all the leaves are down. But like, so

706
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:38.639
as soon as soon as I lock on to that spot,

707
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:42.360
he walks into that spot and he spins around and

708
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:46.840
he's looking at me again. Again, He's not like a

709
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:50.199
typical church that's looking all around and enjoying the sights

710
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:53.760
and whatever. He just turned and looked right at me,

711
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:59.360
some couple hundred yards away for sure, and I'm like,

712
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:01.119
there's no way sees me out. But he's looking right

713
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:03.480
at I can tell he's not looking. His head's not

714
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:06.920
moving up and down or anything. And then he disappears.

715
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:11.519
So I jump in the van and I'm like, I'm

716
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:14.639
going to drive down stream because if he's just a

717
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:16.440
guy that's on a walk, there's got to be a

718
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:20.440
vehicle down here. Some people do that later in the year.

719
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:24.400
They will park and then they'll just exercise or you know,

720
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:27.440
take a walk. So I drive down there. There's no vehicle.

721
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:30.920
So I already knew there wasn't going to be a vehicle.

722
00:44:31.760 --> 00:44:34.199
And instead of turning around and just like going up

723
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:36.880
there and getting it over with to find out, I

724
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:38.960
just knew he wouldn't be there if I drove up there,

725
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:40.559
and I was kind of freaking out when I just

726
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:42.760
I just kept going. I just got off. I just

727
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:50.360
took off and headed home. So yeah, So those are

728
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:55.960
the three things. The deer, the orb, and then this

729
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:58.079
what I call the man in black thing, which is

730
00:44:58.119 --> 00:44:59.800
I only say that like when I'm talking to my

731
00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:02.039
friend about it, and I took my friend up there,

732
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:05.840
who is my age and he's been in the woods

733
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:08.760
all his life too, and I showed him and he

734
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:12.239
was he was like, yeah, there's I mean, I couldn't

735
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:14.360
I couldn't even hardly show him where I was standing.

736
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:17.679
And it was so hard to pick out all the stuff,

737
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:19.840
the boulders and the different trees and stuff that were

738
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:22.360
up there. I had a hard time eat you now,

739
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:24.840
telling him like, no, over to the right, and he's like, oh,

740
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:27.159
are you talking about like right there where that? I'm like, no,

741
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:30.679
a little bit lower, you know. And so I'm looking

742
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:32.800
up there. I've been I've been up there twenty thirty

743
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.639
times now since that happened, and I've I've just stood

744
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:37.440
there and looked up there. I'm like, there's just no way.

745
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:44.079
I don't understand why someone or something would behave that

746
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:49.840
way that in that very spot, because the little bit

747
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:51.559
of the little bit I could see of the paper

748
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:54.679
down there is the little bit that he could see

749
00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:58.239
of the side of the mountains for the same reason.

750
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:02.880
So I was just in a little sliver and if

751
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:04.960
he would have walked three steps back, he wouldn't have

752
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:06.280
been able to see me. And if he would have

753
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:08.079
walked three steps forward, he wouldn't have been able to

754
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:12.199
see me because of the mountain and the trees, so

755
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:14.679
he just stopped in the right spot without even like

756
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:19.480
looking up there. He's looking down at his feet, and

757
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.719
he spun at the very spot where he could like

758
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:25.440
see me, and he held his hands up like he

759
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:30.000
had a telescope. And that's weird enough, right, But it's

760
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:33.880
also weird just that he was so tall, and there

761
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:40.880
was no distinguishing differences in colors of clothing or anything.

762
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:42.760
It was just I'm just telling you, it was just

763
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:46.400
super odd like. And so a lot of these things

764
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:48.840
that happened to me, they could be written off. Like

765
00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:52.000
the thing flying down the river, it could have been

766
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.880
some drone, I suppose, you know, the dead deer, It's

767
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:58.599
possible that a mountain lion killed it and just left

768
00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:06.360
it there the holler from before I saw the tree break.

769
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:12.920
Thinking of the male skayhand story, it's possible it was

770
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:15.320
something else. I've just been in the woods all my life.

771
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:20.079
I've never seen these things, so I kind of always

772
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:22.000
go back to, well, did I ever did I have

773
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:24.760
anything really weird happened to me? And I remember, you know,

774
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:29.679
the thing walking by my truck. The first story, not

775
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:31.960
the weirdest thing in the world. It's possible it was

776
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:35.719
a person. The thing that happened with the scream and

777
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:42.239
the elk not possible. The tree breaks I don't think

778
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:51.880
are possible, and then the orb could totally be unrelated

779
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:54.920
to this. But I just find that all the stuff

780
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:57.440
happening at once, and then I don't know how much

781
00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:00.960
time we have left. But then or of disappearing out

782
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:06.119
of my apartment, and it got to a point where

783
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:08.440
it was like I had to like literally go up

784
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:11.360
and say something to them, because I was told you

785
00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:13.360
can actually go and talk to them and you know,

786
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:18.400
or tell them to stop bothering you or whatever. And

787
00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:21.000
so I didn't ever want to go to that level.

788
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:23.119
I didn't necessarily believe it, but it got to a

789
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:26.679
point where I did that. And one of the items

790
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:29.599
that disappeared, which was very expensive to me, and when

791
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:33.519
I got back from that, when I went back up

792
00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:36.239
there and did my thing on the mountain, you know,

793
00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:41.039
my photography or whatever, I because this thing was so expensive.

794
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:44.039
The other items that disappeared were not very expensive. It

795
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:46.639
was it was back where it should have been. When

796
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:48.719
I got back to my apartment. That's all I can say.

797
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.519
And I'm talking about I have a very minimalistic lifestyle.

798
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:57.639
I have very few things. I don't have a bed

799
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:03.320
like I sleep on ad I have one chair. I've

800
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:07.039
lived in my van. I'm just very organized. I have

801
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:12.039
some very expensive out their clothing winter versions and spring

802
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:16.920
in summer, and I'm very careful you know where I

803
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:26.599
have those. And so when something disappears, you know, I'm

804
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:29.800
like everybody else in life, Like I've lost my carpees

805
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:32.760
in my wallet, stuff just bizarrely and I find them

806
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:35.000
and then I realized, oh yeah, I forgot, like I

807
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:37.559
have that stuff happened to me regularly, just like everybody else.

808
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:40.639
But that's not what this was. That's not what was

809
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:43.639
happening to me. I'll just tell you these things real

810
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:46.880
quick about what happened. One of them was, you know,

811
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:49.360
just like I had a hat disappeared that I never wear.

812
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:52.199
I bought it. It was kind of like a It was

813
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:55.280
a really nice camouflage hat that I kind of just

814
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:57.360
hung on the wall. There was a camera hat that

815
00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:00.480
had a front that you could peel off all grow

816
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:02.960
and you could put other patches on. And I just

817
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:05.360
don't wear hats. I hardly ever wear a hat. I

818
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:09.039
haven't wore a hat in two years. I wear head

819
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:15.760
bands usually, And so this hat disappeared and I looked

820
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:17.920
all over for it, just thinking I must have worn it.

821
00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:22.840
I don't remember wearing it, and then and nothing. I

822
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:27.840
never found it. And so then, oddly enough, I bought

823
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:31.800
some some local salmon steaks and I have those in

824
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:35.239
the freezer, and I always wanted to eat when you know,

825
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:37.159
they're kind of expensive. So I was going to like

826
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:39.719
do something special with it to figure out how it

827
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:40.800
was going to cook it, and I just put it

828
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:43.639
in a fridge to let it fall out, and I

829
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:45.760
would worry about it later. I'd figure something out later.

830
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:48.960
And you know, if I opened my fridge, which has

831
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:51.239
like five things in it, you know, I would see

832
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:53.960
that salmon steak and it would be a reminder that, oh, yeah,

833
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.480
I need to have that eat that in the next

834
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:59.360
couple of days. And like ten days go by and

835
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:01.760
I'm thinking about salmon again, thinking I need to have

836
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:05.159
one of those salmon steaks, and then I remember, yeah,

837
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:09.320
I already sawed one out. It's I can't believe it,

838
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:11.000
and so I jumped up and ran to the fridge

839
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:12.559
and I thought, man, I wonder if it's still good.

840
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:17.159
It wasn't in there. So the salmon steak is not

841
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:19.440
in there. And I did not cook the steak and

842
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:23.039
eat it because I would. I was waiting for this

843
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:26.440
to happen so that I could practice different recipes or whatever,

844
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:28.239
and I was going to share it with some friends,

845
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:30.840
and you know what, I so anyway, the salmon steak

846
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:37.880
was not there. And then the big one was when

847
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:40.320
I had that very expensive piece of clothing. I had

848
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:44.639
three things hanging in my closet for months. I had

849
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:48.400
a puffy jacket like some shirt, and then I had

850
00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:52.519
these expensive winter pass you know, two hundred plus dollars,

851
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:55.199
and I had already used them for the season and

852
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:56.599
I hung them in the closet, so I wasn't going

853
00:51:56.639 --> 00:52:00.760
to use them again for another nine months probably, And

854
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:04.719
one day I was comparing my you know, I was

855
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:06.480
going to order something and I wanted to check the

856
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:08.199
wais size, whatever. So I want to look at these

857
00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:10.679
pants in the closets. There's only three items in the closet,

858
00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:15.039
and they're not there. The pants are not there, and

859
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:17.880
so I'm tearing my place apart which takes five minutes

860
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:22.760
to look through everything. And those pants are not anywhere

861
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:25.920
in my apartment. So the only place they could be

862
00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:29.039
is in my vehicle, which I do have like a

863
00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:33.360
tote in there, which I keep some year in case

864
00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:35.719
I get stranded overnight and I can you know, I

865
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:40.360
have a sleeping bag and some cold weather stuff and

866
00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:42.400
I always have that tote internet, and I knew it

867
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:44.320
wasn't in there because I don't use those pants. I

868
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:49.239
use puppy type down and synthetic puppies if I'm going

869
00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:51.679
to be stranded overnight. You know, these were not like that.

870
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:56.039
These were just lined pants. But my van put has

871
00:52:56.119 --> 00:52:59.719
parked like one hundred yards away from where I or

872
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:02.840
where my apartment is, and so I just was telling

873
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:05.079
myself the next time I go drive somewhere, I need

874
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:07.760
to check that tote. So finally I'm up on the mountain.

875
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:10.960
This is when that happened. I keep in mind, I

876
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:14.440
tore all this stuff apart over and over, like three times,

877
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:17.400
like you do when you lose your keys or something.

878
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:21.920
You keep looking in the same place like it's going

879
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:24.159
to suddenly appear, and it's just like there's nowhere else

880
00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:27.400
to look. It's a it's a big thick pair of pants.

881
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:30.079
So I'm up on the mountain and I'm doing my thing,

882
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.039
and I remember, oh, yeah, I got to check that toat.

883
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:33.559
So I pull over on the side of the mountain

884
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:34.920
and I checked the toat, and of course they're not

885
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:37.840
in there. I knew they were not in there, So

886
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:40.719
that's where I was getting sat up. And I actually

887
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:43.679
just kind of did like some people do, and I

888
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:47.239
don't I think. I think I yelled it out loud,

889
00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:50.480
like into the forest. I was like, I want my

890
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:58.719
pants back, and and I don't know what to tell

891
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:00.599
you other than I drove home and the pants are

892
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:05.280
in the closet. So if you know you don't know me,

893
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:08.840
you don't know, you know, I understand. Like as somebody

894
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:10.760
else was telling me that story, I'd be like, well,

895
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:15.639
you know, people sometimes just start that focused. You know,

896
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:17.679
you were just not paying attention, and they were there

897
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:22.800
the whole time. So then one day I'm sitting in

898
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:26.960
my chair in my apartment in the early still dark

899
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:38.000
and having coffee and beside me comes this bubble like

900
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:42.440
I would say, two and the inches wide, like you

901
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:49.320
would like a kid would blow bubbles. The bubble floats

902
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:59.000
by me like two feet away. Ah, just and so

903
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:01.239
the only way that bubble could be there, it's that

904
00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:05.280
somebody standing behind me in my apartment blowing a bubble,

905
00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:10.559
which freaked me out in a way, like I was

906
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:13.719
out of that chair and turned around in like less

907
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:18.960
than a second and there's of course nobody there, and

908
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:23.400
I look around and the bubbles gone. So again it's

909
00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:25.639
like these things add up, right, like one of these

910
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:29.679
has to be weird. And then the only other thing

911
00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:35.039
that can happen that I remember, apartment wise, is I

912
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:37.280
had a bowl outside I lived. I lived on the

913
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:39.400
second floor and I shared a balcony with someone else,

914
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:41.360
a friend of mine that I that I worked with,

915
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:46.639
and there was a bowl like a dog would drink

916
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:49.840
out of outside of my door on the balcony. There's

917
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:53.559
no access to this balcony. You have you go out

918
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:56.480
the other side of the apartment. It's a daylight situation.

919
00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:00.480
And I go out there in the bowl was full

920
00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:04.400
of water. So that bowl was always empty, you know,

921
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:08.719
is dried sat there all the time. And I went

922
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:10.320
out there one day and I look in. The bowl

923
00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:16.000
is full of water and it sits on and there's

924
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:18.400
a big overhang, so no rain taking in there. And

925
00:56:18.440 --> 00:56:21.400
if the rain did blow in there, then it's gonna

926
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:25.039
soak this indoor outdoor carpeting that they have on the balcony.

927
00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:30.639
And I knew it didn't rain and nothing else was wet.

928
00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:34.719
I'm out there in my stock, but this bowl is

929
00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:39.360
full of water oddly enough, as weird as its very

930
00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:48.719
benign whatever. So that's basically everything that I have to

931
00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:55.719
say as far as you know, noticeable odd things that

932
00:56:55.800 --> 00:57:04.400
stand out, the encounters I had, and then eventually I

933
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:07.800
just sort of crawled out of my the PTSD aspect

934
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:13.079
and more so, you know, because the metal skayhand thing

935
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:16.559
the whole point of the ceremony. When he had that

936
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:19.800
experience at the ceremony and went back out in the woods,

937
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:25.000
he wanted to know, am I okay? Are we okay now? Right?

938
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:29.679
Because he had to correct something and he got that holler,

939
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:37.320
so he got, you know, in his mind that was like, oh,

940
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:39.960
I guess we're okay, you know, because he did what

941
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:41.719
he was supposed to do according to the medicine man.

942
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:49.920
And I just feel like the deer and the holler

943
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:54.519
and uh, the man in black kind of thing that

944
00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:57.880
I talk about like I think they're just basically saying

945
00:57:57.960 --> 00:58:00.840
to me. For whatever reason, I didn't conjure any of

946
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:04.199
this stuff. I didn't go looking for this, but it's

947
00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:08.239
part of what I think is maybe another conversation about

948
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:12.000
that this is all spiritual. You know, these are not

949
00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:17.760
these are not aped, these are not leftover cave men

950
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:21.960
or anything. That's clear to me. But I think it

951
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:25.480
has to just do with at least in my case,

952
00:58:25.559 --> 00:58:31.079
it has to do with your attitude. How when you

953
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:34.239
start going down a spiritual road of developing humility and

954
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:37.960
like getting rid of your dysfunction and anger towards life

955
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:41.760
and unforgiveness, which you know, that's that's what I was

956
00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:45.480
also doing at the same time, which is why all

957
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:52.719
these things start happening. And and then there's just one

958
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:54.840
other quick story that I thought about much later, which

959
00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:59.440
when I was first going to lead the Portland area

960
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:06.000
and to Idaho, I traveled around and I met I

961
00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:08.840
was in I was in central Oregon, and I met

962
00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:12.920
a woman who was also like going to live in

963
00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:15.000
her van and travel for a while, and so we

964
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:18.719
sort of camped out by near the Dishus River and

965
00:59:18.840 --> 00:59:20.199
we hung out for a couple of days and she

966
00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:24.559
was basically a psychic, and which I didn't both, you know,

967
00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:27.920
put a lot of faith in any of that, and

968
00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:31.280
tried to understand exactly what she did. And she was

969
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:32.960
a little vague about it, like I didn't know if

970
00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:37.760
she was a past life aggressionist or whatever, but I did.

971
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:40.039
I shared with her. So none of the Idaho stuff

972
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:43.760
happened at this point. And but I was already kind

973
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:46.719
of going down the road of the PTSD on the

974
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:49.599
Oregon stuff that happened. And I shared with her that

975
00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:56.239
what happened with the Sasquatch experience in Oregon. And I said,

976
00:59:56.239 --> 00:59:58.639
and then my research is showing me that they might

977
00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:02.239
be spiritual being And she said, well, I would have

978
01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:06.480
to have a session with you in order to know

979
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:10.239
if they're attached to you or whatever. And I'm like,

980
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:12.880
you mean like hypnosis then you go into a trance

981
01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:15.320
kind of thing. And she's like, Dad, I'm like, nah, yeah, okay,

982
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:17.880
I'm never going to see her again. But she lived.

983
01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:19.760
She just lived down the road for man that turned

984
01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:26.400
out in the Portland area. But then later during this camping,

985
01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:31.400
she came to me and said, your Sasquatch friends or

986
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:38.519
something like that wanted me to let you know they

987
01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:44.559
know you and you're okay. So just understand, like this

988
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:48.719
is long before I've gone down the wu road of

989
01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:54.960
this stuff, which I completely believe in now, Like having

990
01:00:55.039 --> 01:01:00.440
watched interviews from like Rich Jermu, especially his two part

991
01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:04.719
interview on a Flasha Beauty walked out a couple of times,

992
01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:10.000
just the most profound stories like that are at that level. Ever,

993
01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:14.000
he had the very similar things happened to him, right,

994
01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:16.800
So I didn't take much put much stock in it

995
01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:20.000
at the time when she said that because other things

996
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:21.800
happened like that in the past too that I just

997
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:25.920
you know, I don't know, you just don't know. But

998
01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:29.599
looking back, I just find it odd that I had

999
01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:34.480
all these experiences in Idaho, which seems to I know

1000
01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:37.079
they were culminating to something. So this character on the

1001
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:39.880
road is looking at me with these with these make

1002
01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:45.599
believe telescope as though I see you right the deer

1003
01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:48.079
and then the stuff in the apartment, like a bubble

1004
01:01:48.119 --> 01:01:55.199
comes floating by me in my apartment, so I know,

1005
01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:58.719
I mean, I know they're there. I know they're watching

1006
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:02.039
me in some way. And so when I'm in the

1007
01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:04.880
woods now it's like it doesn't matter to me because

1008
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:07.639
I'm not going to stop going in the woods. The

1009
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:10.480
only thing I don't do well and I haven't done,

1010
01:02:10.599 --> 01:02:14.119
is like spend the night, because I just I can

1011
01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:17.519
handle a lot of things, but not three o'clock in

1012
01:02:17.559 --> 01:02:20.320
the morning, you know, knock on the side of the

1013
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:24.760
vehicle or pressing in on my tent. I just don't

1014
01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:26.800
think I'm ready for that. I don't think I need it.

1015
01:02:26.800 --> 01:02:31.239
But somehow I have a parallel story for another time

1016
01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:34.679
that you know, has to do with like spiritual Christianity

1017
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:40.000
and abandoning doctrine in the church and stuff for trying

1018
01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:44.679
to be a better person, a humbler person, more honest

1019
01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:48.119
and loving and forgiving towards other people. Which has been

1020
01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:51.880
a great journey and it's worked. But what's odd looking

1021
01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:56.440
back is I had like a supernatural experience on the

1022
01:02:56.519 --> 01:03:01.320
Christian side during this journey in the very beginning. When

1023
01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:03.079
I look back and I do the math as FoST

1024
01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:04.920
as I can tell, that's when I had my first

1025
01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:10.800
experience in Oregon with the screen. Again, it may not

1026
01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:17.519
be related at all, but so basically I was doing

1027
01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:20.199
I would have a spiritual journey on the right or

1028
01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:21.920
I guess on the one hand, and then on the

1029
01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:28.519
other hand, I'm having this increasingly dark and terrorizing experience

1030
01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:32.880
with this paranormal bigfootstop on the other side.

1031
01:03:33.039 --> 01:03:36.360
But so that's so that's a really big that's a

1032
01:03:36.519 --> 01:03:38.519
huge deal, I think.

1033
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:44.400
Okay, we'll go ahead. What do you think about that?

1034
01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:47.440
So you were, you were walking, you were you were

1035
01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:50.800
trying to figure yourself out spiritually, at the same time

1036
01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:53.239
this stuff is starting to amp up. Is that the

1037
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:54.440
correct way of hearing that.

1038
01:03:55.800 --> 01:03:59.239
Yeah, So in the beginning, when I had this profound

1039
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:03.079
experience with another religious person, which I could probably share

1040
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:06.880
with you in three minutes, but it was it was

1041
01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:10.800
supernatural for sure, And yeah, but I had I had

1042
01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:15.079
the scream in Oregon at the northborok of the John

1043
01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:18.719
Day Campground area. But then nothing happened to me after

1044
01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:24.920
that for several years, so I was probably in Yeah,

1045
01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:28.119
so it was like too, like this whole thing with

1046
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:32.000
the sasquatcham was probably so ten years ago.

1047
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:32.800
I was.

1048
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:36.760
Would have been twenty fifteen, So this was probably like

1049
01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:40.000
two thousand and twelve ish that I had the sasquatch screen.

1050
01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:47.880
And then fast forward to two thousand and eighteen ish

1051
01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:54.000
when I learned the steven Is Doll thing was where

1052
01:04:54.039 --> 01:04:58.199
I got introduced to sasquatch actually real first time I

1053
01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:01.719
started to believe it. So but you know, in the

1054
01:05:01.719 --> 01:05:05.920
spiritual world, who knows, Like times don't matter. But I

1055
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:12.440
what happened to me on the spiritual side was pretty profound,

1056
01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:17.079
and it's almost like it unlocks something on the darker side,

1057
01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:22.400
like I turned a corner spiritually. This is like, this

1058
01:05:22.559 --> 01:05:28.159
is like Christian based spirtuality, not like New Age. But

1059
01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:31.159
also it was the beginning of something that was about

1060
01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:32.719
to happen to me in the future, which is the

1061
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:36.760
story I just told you where when I called Wes,

1062
01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:40.199
when I or emailed Wes, I was laying in the

1063
01:05:40.199 --> 01:05:45.719
fetal position on the floor and like with no hope,

1064
01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:51.000
I felt like the only person on the earth. It's

1065
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:57.119
a weird it's a weird depressive feeling. It's more than sadness.

1066
01:05:57.119 --> 01:06:00.280
It's hard to explain. And so that was the bottom.

1067
01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:06.559
That was the very bottom for me. But the whole,

1068
01:06:06.679 --> 01:06:11.800
the whole message I get is as this as I

1069
01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:15.880
climbed out, was how much faith do you really have?

1070
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:20.280
Like I basically went on a journey of faith of

1071
01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:24.199
like trusting in God for for my life and for

1072
01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:28.960
my circumstances and not worrying about the future and sort

1073
01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:32.239
of looking for miracles and like, you know, because I

1074
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:35.760
had like a fundamentalist Christianity upbringing that just didn't make

1075
01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:37.480
sense to me. There was a lot of problems with it,

1076
01:06:37.559 --> 01:06:41.519
and it was it was often cold and another story.

1077
01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:43.960
But so that's what I walked away from. And when

1078
01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:46.480
I did, I had this profound experience and a cul

1079
01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:49.119
de sac with an member of the old S Church

1080
01:06:52.039 --> 01:06:55.079
that was that was building for some time. And so

1081
01:06:55.519 --> 01:06:59.880
when that happened, the feeling and this feeling, if any

1082
01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:04.000
he wants to hear it described really well again, was

1083
01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:08.239
on the Flash of Beauty. Recent video, maybe only the

1084
01:07:08.320 --> 01:07:10.639
last one or two or three videos that they did,

1085
01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:14.519
was with a guy who was sitting with some water

1086
01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:16.280
in the background and he's kind of like out in

1087
01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:18.320
the trees and he's sitting telling a story and he

1088
01:07:18.440 --> 01:07:22.000
describes this exact thing. And this just freaked me out

1089
01:07:22.039 --> 01:07:25.159
because this was like two weeks ago. I'm just listening

1090
01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:27.039
to his story because I keep up on your channel,

1091
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:29.719
I keep up on their channel. This guy, I don't

1092
01:07:29.719 --> 01:07:33.719
think was like Christian based. I think he was more

1093
01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:41.199
like metaphysical or whatever Eastern thinking, and he describes in

1094
01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:46.760
there his experiences where this warm walk, you know, it's

1095
01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:49.800
like this warm feeling washes over you to your innermost

1096
01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:52.159
like every he said, like every cell in my body

1097
01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:56.000
was just filled with like love type thing. The way

1098
01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:59.519
he described it was exactly what I experienced with a

1099
01:07:59.559 --> 01:08:04.840
really to heart emotional conversation I had with an LDS meeting,

1100
01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:10.960
you know, Latter day Saints member who I had a

1101
01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:17.039
discussion with in the streets, and that was Yeah, So

1102
01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:19.039
that happened to me. And the other time that that

1103
01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:21.079
happened to me, the only other time in my life

1104
01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:27.159
was forty years earlier, a teenager in a church, in

1105
01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:30.079
the church that I was forced to go through by

1106
01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:31.840
my parents, and I had no idea what the guy

1107
01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:34.920
was saying. Ever, he was always up there renting and

1108
01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:38.880
raven and you know, running back and forth on the stage,

1109
01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:41.319
and I just didn't really, I was just there looking

1110
01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:44.720
at the girls and stuff. I didn't know what was

1111
01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:47.560
going on. But I had that exact same experience in

1112
01:08:47.600 --> 01:08:50.640
the in the few sitting next to my parents, And

1113
01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:53.319
ever since I had that experience, it opened my eyes

1114
01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:58.359
to spiritual things that's all I can say. As a teenager,

1115
01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:00.399
I never told that. I've never told us story to

1116
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:04.439
maybe three people in my life. So I went forward

1117
01:09:04.520 --> 01:09:07.600
in my life being very is a very dysfunctional upbringing,

1118
01:09:07.760 --> 01:09:09.840
all the all the stuff you might have heard about

1119
01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:13.119
with the sleep paralysis and dark figures in the room

1120
01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:16.800
and just bad parenting and all that. Right, so I

1121
01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:22.880
think that's all connected. But it's it's basically just you know,

1122
01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:26.880
you're in darkness, you're blind, and then at some point

1123
01:09:26.920 --> 01:09:30.640
God opens your eyes. And then later in my life

1124
01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:36.600
having this, you know, one wanting to know more truth,

1125
01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:39.880
like believing that the fundamentalist Christianity is not the answer.

1126
01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:42.439
That's obviously not the answer. If you read the Sermon

1127
01:09:42.479 --> 01:09:47.680
on the Mouth, he doesn't talk about any doctrine in there.

1128
01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:51.920
Jesus doesn't mention any doctrines starting with the beatitude, you know,

1129
01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:56.640
Matthew five, six and seven. It's all about you have to,

1130
01:09:56.680 --> 01:10:00.159
you know, do what I say, go the extra mile. Know,

1131
01:10:00.199 --> 01:10:02.279
give to the poor, give your body to be burnt,

1132
01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:06.439
love your neighbor as yourself, Love love your God with

1133
01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:08.239
all your heart. And I'm looking around at the church

1134
01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:11.520
after twenty years, I'm like nobody's doing this, like we're

1135
01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:15.319
just like having Bible study and you know, checking off

1136
01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:20.159
boxes and acting like, however, we want the rest of

1137
01:10:20.159 --> 01:10:21.880
the week. I'm like, you know, I want, I want

1138
01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:23.479
to know the truth. I got to get out of here,

1139
01:10:24.039 --> 01:10:26.840
and I did. And at the same time, I had

1140
01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:29.760
this sequence of things with the LDS missionaries that would

1141
01:10:29.800 --> 01:10:32.119
come to my door every say, once a month, and

1142
01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:34.600
I always had great talks that started out very fundamental,

1143
01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:38.439
but as time went on, I realized, you know why,

1144
01:10:38.520 --> 01:10:41.039
I'm taught to like hate these guys, right, I'm taught

1145
01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:44.039
that these are the enemy, and I'm thinking that at

1146
01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:46.720
least they believe in God, Like I can't even find

1147
01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:50.960
anybody who will who understands what's the basics, which is,

1148
01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:54.640
you know, creation versus evolution, and people are just into

1149
01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:57.399
their football games and kind of checked out, and like,

1150
01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:00.359
at least I had these guys like and talk to

1151
01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:04.079
about spiritual things, you know, So why am I Why

1152
01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:06.920
am I arguing with them? So after about four times

1153
01:11:06.920 --> 01:11:09.279
of them coming to my door every once in a while,

1154
01:11:10.119 --> 01:11:13.840
my message became more and more, let's put the Bibles down,

1155
01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:17.520
let's just talk. And I could feel it building in

1156
01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:20.880
me I could feel like like I was welling up,

1157
01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:24.840
almost like with cheers. Something was happening. Well. The kid

1158
01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:26.399
that the kid that I met in the cul de

1159
01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:29.680
sac was not a missionary. He was an eighteen year

1160
01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:32.840
old kid, I think, short little guy that was that

1161
01:11:32.960 --> 01:11:35.600
was passing out brochures for something else, like he was

1162
01:11:35.640 --> 01:11:38.439
doing summer job. He was up from Salt Lake City

1163
01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:42.039
and by then, you know, so when he mentioned Salt

1164
01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:44.399
Lake City, I said, oh, are you ohds by the chance,

1165
01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:45.840
and he goes, yeah, he goes, I just got back

1166
01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:48.520
from my missionary work in Mexico. We were building houses.

1167
01:11:49.279 --> 01:11:51.119
And at that point it's just him and I standing

1168
01:11:51.159 --> 01:11:53.760
in this cul de sack, which has two daycares in it,

1169
01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:57.520
and there's usually tons of people coming and going, but

1170
01:11:57.600 --> 01:11:59.840
it was completely quiet. I'm standing out there with this

1171
01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:03.159
kid that's just staring at me like kind of almost

1172
01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:05.159
like with his arms folded, just looking at me like

1173
01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:08.640
waiting for me to ask. So I go on this

1174
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:14.479
rant about. I go on this rant about, like, man,

1175
01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:17.960
it seems so stupid that we're you know, we believe

1176
01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:20.399
a lot of the same things you believe in after life.

1177
01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:23.279
I believe in after life, and I know, you know,

1178
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:26.760
our differences are technical and stuff, but at least you

1179
01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:28.520
believe in something right. And so I go on this

1180
01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:31.359
emotional rant and he's just staring at me the whole time,

1181
01:12:31.439 --> 01:12:36.960
like like he's waiting, and I'm thinking, you know, I'm

1182
01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:39.479
probably talking too much, and this kid's kind of freaked out,

1183
01:12:40.279 --> 01:12:44.000
and all of a sudden, I feel well as I'm

1184
01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:46.479
sort of like as it's welling up in me, I

1185
01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:51.680
feel coming down from above this warm You just have

1186
01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:54.199
to watch that video to like the guy described it

1187
01:12:54.239 --> 01:13:00.439
better than I can with flash of beauty, and I'm

1188
01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:02.960
sort I sort of hesitate for a second in my rant,

1189
01:13:03.079 --> 01:13:06.399
and I'm feeling this going down through me and I'm

1190
01:13:06.399 --> 01:13:09.920
looking sort of down at my feet, and then he says,

1191
01:13:10.680 --> 01:13:11.479
do you feel that?

1192
01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:13.479
Oh wow?

1193
01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:16.479
And then at my At that point I kind of

1194
01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:18.199
looked up at him. He just had that same look

1195
01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:21.439
on his face like sort of gave me a nod.

1196
01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:26.439
He's like, that's love, and he walked off. So again

1197
01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:29.880
it's like I did I did I guess something right?

1198
01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:32.680
You know, I was on some right journey, I guess.

1199
01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:37.359
I want to say, it's like I got confirmation that

1200
01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:42.199
when you conjure up that much passion for people and concern.

1201
01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:44.359
You know, like I might hate this guy I'm talking to,

1202
01:13:44.479 --> 01:13:46.279
but if all of a sudden he starts bleeding to death,

1203
01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:50.279
I'm going to all my attitude is going to change immediately, right,

1204
01:13:50.560 --> 01:13:53.760
And so it's kind of like that's how you have

1205
01:13:53.880 --> 01:13:56.439
to be with people. So that's you know, that's a

1206
01:13:56.439 --> 01:14:00.600
long story, I know, and but that's basically the journey

1207
01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:03.279
I was on. And to this day, that journey has

1208
01:14:03.359 --> 01:14:05.000
been a whole book I could.

1209
01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:11.039
Write absolutely absolutely my goodness, So just real quick, So

1210
01:14:11.199 --> 01:14:14.720
after you you started down that journey, that's when the

1211
01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:16.520
weird stuff start happening for you.

1212
01:14:19.399 --> 01:14:23.520
Yes, so it started happening. And then when I when

1213
01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:26.800
I was mature enough. So in other words, I was

1214
01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:31.079
challenging God in a way, not not sort of in

1215
01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:34.920
my prayers, but just like I don't care about my money,

1216
01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:36.600
I don't care about my future, and I don't care

1217
01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:40.920
about my health, like because the Bible says, why do

1218
01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:43.560
you worry about the things in the future? Why do

1219
01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:45.880
you worry about what's the clothes you're going to put

1220
01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:49.399
on or whatever. It's like the things that you eat.

1221
01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:51.840
It's like the birds of the air, don't worry about

1222
01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:53.880
that stuff, and yet I take care of them. Don't

1223
01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:56.840
you think I would take care of you? So those

1224
01:14:56.920 --> 01:15:00.399
kind of sort of red letter Christianity that call it

1225
01:15:00.479 --> 01:15:04.159
like and I'm like, yeah, why, why how much faith

1226
01:15:04.199 --> 01:15:05.800
do I have if I'm like, on the one hand,

1227
01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:07.479
go in the church, but I'm worried about how much

1228
01:15:07.479 --> 01:15:09.239
money I got my four oh and k for twenty

1229
01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:12.479
years from now. So I just went down this road

1230
01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:15.000
of I'm abandon aiding all that, like I'm done with

1231
01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:17.199
all that stuff. Like and so as soon as I

1232
01:15:17.239 --> 01:15:19.640
started down that road, all the stuff started happening, not

1233
01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:22.279
just the sasquat stuff, but the good stuff, like the

1234
01:15:22.319 --> 01:15:26.319
miracles in my life, one after the other after the other.

1235
01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:28.800
So that I'm in the situation now that I'm in

1236
01:15:28.840 --> 01:15:30.720
where I'm in the best place I've ever been in

1237
01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:34.760
my life on my patience level, my forgiveness for my family,

1238
01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:39.720
you know, like my happiness, my sense of humor has increased.

1239
01:15:40.479 --> 01:15:44.680
I'm making people laugh everywhere I go. I get Employee

1240
01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:48.720
of the month, people want me, you know, to be friends,

1241
01:15:48.800 --> 01:15:52.680
and like just opportunities come just just when you need

1242
01:15:52.720 --> 01:15:55.000
a hundred bucks or something. As soon as you turn

1243
01:15:55.079 --> 01:15:57.640
off the switch that the worry switch, the one hundred

1244
01:15:57.640 --> 01:16:00.840
bucks shows up, and so once you're standing you can

1245
01:16:00.840 --> 01:16:07.279
turn it on and off with your humility. When you

1246
01:16:07.359 --> 01:16:11.319
just let things go, let you know, like forgiveness, then

1247
01:16:13.399 --> 01:16:16.439
things start happening. It's like a ball that you get rolling.

1248
01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:19.279
So but at the same time the sasquatch thing with

1249
01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:23.560
interwoven with that and the message I get, I get

1250
01:16:23.560 --> 01:16:27.039
these downloads, I get these down with. I was a

1251
01:16:27.039 --> 01:16:30.239
troubleshooter all my life for high tech, you know, electro

1252
01:16:30.279 --> 01:16:33.880
mechanical stuff and like really complex troubleshooting, and so a

1253
01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:35.680
lot of times it's the same way there. You gotta

1254
01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:40.239
let your subconscious like sometimes we'll troubleshoot something for three

1255
01:16:40.239 --> 01:16:41.720
weeks and we can't figure it out. It's going to

1256
01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:44.239
be very expensive. I just developed this sort of instinct.

1257
01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:47.439
I was very sensitive to when I was getting frustrated

1258
01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:49.760
or impatient with somebody and realizing it was a test.

1259
01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:53.920
So you know, I would get these messages sort of

1260
01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:55.359
in my mind. I would just kind of like be

1261
01:16:55.399 --> 01:16:56.760
sitting there and all of a sudden it was dawn

1262
01:16:56.800 --> 01:16:58.720
and me what the answer it was to something, whether

1263
01:16:58.760 --> 01:17:02.840
it's troubleshooting technical thing or whether it was you know,

1264
01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:05.359
a reminder that I'm being angry and worried about something

1265
01:17:05.399 --> 01:17:09.800
I shouldn't. But the ultimate test has come to me.

1266
01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:14.880
The ultimate test is how much faith do you have?

1267
01:17:15.319 --> 01:17:20.159
If you really have faith, then go out there. They're

1268
01:17:20.199 --> 01:17:25.720
waiting for you at three o'clock in the morning, no guns,

1269
01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:30.039
no flashlights, and no camera, and let's see how much

1270
01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:33.840
faith you really have because we already know it from

1271
01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:35.880
experience that they're not going to hurt you. Right, we

1272
01:17:35.960 --> 01:17:40.039
already know the technical stuff, So what are you worried

1273
01:17:40.039 --> 01:17:43.800
about anyway? Right? See, that's the message I get, So

1274
01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:48.239
go do that. Let's see how your faith is after that.

1275
01:17:49.359 --> 01:17:51.399
And that is not something I have been able to

1276
01:17:51.800 --> 01:17:57.079
fully do, but to the degree that I have done it,

1277
01:17:57.079 --> 01:17:59.239
it definitely pulled me out of my hole. So now

1278
01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:05.239
I realize it's game that I'm weak in some regards

1279
01:18:05.319 --> 01:18:09.680
and that you know that test is always waiting for me.

1280
01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:12.880
It's just super interesting. The whole thing is just very

1281
01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:15.520
I understand it bizarre. I'm like, I'm a normal person,

1282
01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:19.880
you know, otherwise like so, but I know you guys,

1283
01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:22.359
your audience and stuff will understand this kind of stuff

1284
01:18:22.399 --> 01:18:24.399
because of you know that this is all this kind

1285
01:18:24.399 --> 01:18:27.479
of stuff surrounds this phenomenon. I'm able to talk to you, guys,

1286
01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:29.720
I guess more about spirituality than I can. You know

1287
01:18:29.760 --> 01:18:34.399
people in the local church who would think I'm completely nuts.

1288
01:18:34.439 --> 01:18:38.760
Oddly enough, exactly oddly enough, Steve, this what an incredible

1289
01:18:38.960 --> 01:18:42.399
account and one that is still continuing to go on

1290
01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:44.960
for you as you work through this. You're definitely in

1291
01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:47.479
a much better place. But you know, I just want

1292
01:18:47.479 --> 01:18:50.920
to say, first off, thank you for sharing your entire story.

1293
01:18:51.279 --> 01:18:54.680
I know is a very personal story and I just

1294
01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:56.720
feel privileged to hear it and to be able to

1295
01:18:57.119 --> 01:19:00.760
share it on this platform. Please, you know, stay stay

1296
01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:05.319
in touch if things continue to happen, But personally, I

1297
01:19:05.319 --> 01:19:07.319
would love to know, like how the rest of your

1298
01:19:07.359 --> 01:19:08.239
journey plays out.

1299
01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:12.399
Man, Well I'll give you an update and you know,

1300
01:19:12.479 --> 01:19:14.319
maybe once a year or every six months or something,

1301
01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:16.479
and I'd be glad to do it. And it's a

1302
01:19:17.159 --> 01:19:20.000
it's a pleasure and a and a release to be

1303
01:19:20.039 --> 01:19:22.720
able to talk about some of these things, because you know,

1304
01:19:22.800 --> 01:19:24.840
I can talk about bits and pieces to different kinds

1305
01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:27.640
of people, but to be able just to lay out

1306
01:19:27.680 --> 01:19:30.359
the whole thing I told you I did it one

1307
01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:32.279
other time and it took me about two hours, and

1308
01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:35.600
it's you know, I felt better for like a week

1309
01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:37.720
after that, just being able to talk about it. So

1310
01:19:39.640 --> 01:19:42.119
it's you know, I owe you, is the way I

1311
01:19:42.119 --> 01:19:44.079
look at it. You're the one that's like the doctor

1312
01:19:44.640 --> 01:19:48.720
sitting in the chair listening to me all go over

1313
01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:51.159
the place with these different stories. But on the other hand,

1314
01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:56.000
I just want anybody out there listening to maybe get

1315
01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:57.720
some kid bits here and there, because maybe they had

1316
01:19:57.760 --> 01:20:02.920
a weird experience, like when I watched mel skahand that

1317
01:20:03.039 --> 01:20:06.359
one little part of that made a lot of sense

1318
01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:08.239
in what happened to me. Not only was I thinking

1319
01:20:08.279 --> 01:20:11.399
about him deeply, but I had the same exact response

1320
01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:14.000
that he got, which is, you know, so this stuff

1321
01:20:14.079 --> 01:20:16.039
just goes on and on, right, and maybe somebody will

1322
01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:18.560
see an ORB like I did, or they'll see some

1323
01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:20.760
figure in black on the street or whatever, and now

1324
01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:23.680
will be like, oh, I heard this story before from

1325
01:20:23.720 --> 01:20:25.800
a guy that was on a spiritual journey, and so

1326
01:20:25.920 --> 01:20:28.720
they can sort of plug that puzzle teeth into their

1327
01:20:29.439 --> 01:20:31.720
puzzle of life, you know, and try to make a

1328
01:20:31.760 --> 01:20:32.840
little more sense out of it.

1329
01:20:33.359 --> 01:20:36.920
Absolutely, Oh my goodness, dude, Thank you, Steve. Thank you

1330
01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:41.119
so much for sharing again, and it has been a

1331
01:20:41.159 --> 01:20:43.039
privilege to talk to you today.

1332
01:20:44.439 --> 01:20:47.199
All right, well, thank you and let's keep in touch.

1333
01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:49.520
Just want to take a minute to say thank you

1334
01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:52.199
for listening to this episode of the Big Fort Society podcast.

1335
01:20:52.279 --> 01:20:55.199
Steve's story is one of the rare encounters that lingers,

1336
01:20:55.239 --> 01:20:57.640
not just because of the scream and the Oregon wilderness

1337
01:20:58.439 --> 01:21:01.000
or the man in black on the same river, but

1338
01:21:01.079 --> 01:21:03.199
because of the way it's tied so deeply to his

1339
01:21:03.279 --> 01:21:06.800
journey of personal transformation. So huge thanks to Steve for

1340
01:21:06.840 --> 01:21:09.680
opening up and sharing something so personal, and for reminding

1341
01:21:09.800 --> 01:21:12.760
us that sometimes these experiences aren't just about what's out

1342
01:21:12.760 --> 01:21:16.279
in the woods, but about what's changing inside us as well.

1343
01:21:17.199 --> 01:21:19.880
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1350
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1351
01:21:39.600 --> 01:21:41.479
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1352
01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:45.119
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1353
01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:47.359
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1354
01:21:47.439 --> 01:21:50.000
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1355
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1362
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1363
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1364
01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:28.520
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1365
01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:30.840
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1366
01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:31.359
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