Terrified in Elderberry Flats — Bigfoot Screams in the Night | Oregon

0:00 You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, pig for a Society. I've got the privilege of talking to mister David Boozer today. You may recognize David from the show PacWest Bigfoot, which is one of the ones I enjoyed watching back in the day. YouTube channel. There spoiler alert, it's back. It's called Where Bigfoot Realms, and we'll probably get into that in a little bit. But I've been wanting to talk to David for a while and it was finally able to happen. Welcome to the show, David. How are you doing today?

0:59 I'm good man, doing really good. Awesome, So you are actually out there in the Pacific northwest. Correct. Yeah, so I was actually born in Florida, Pensacola and naval base. Parents moved back to la and then moved up here and followed my Both said to grandparents. My grandfather's the loggers for quite some time, and this is all I've ever known is southern Oregon. Oh that's awesome. What age did you get out there to Southern Oregon roundabouts? Oh? I think I was about four or five, both about nineteen seventy six. I think, let me move to here seventy seven.

1:42 Oh, man, man, perfect time to get out there too. Wow, that's really cool. So did you run into any bigfoot stuff right off the bat or do you remember anything from that time of your life? Oh? What's this whole bigfoot thing out here? Actually? I did. I think I was probably in the fourth grade. I was down in the library and I had noticed some books there on bigfoot, and they were those old sick novels, except there was a couple of little skinny ones and I believe they're the ones from John Green, and I started, gosh, I can't remember the name of live name. I'd like to buy them today, But everybody on eBay is trying to sell them for a hundred and fifty bucks, and I'm like, yeah, and fifty books. But yeah, I started reading that then, and I remember mentioning it a little bit. I believe to the mom, and she was skeptical at first, but when I started telling you about these younger years and our experiences, then I think she did become a believer. She's got to be my number one thing out here. Yeah, pretty young.

2:54 When I was introduced to it, and I found it in a school library. That's awesome. I wonder if it was among Us or if it was the Skiniers among Us. It was Eights among Us. And then there was the two I still have actually two of those John Green books, those big tull skinny things, and somebody had sent them to me in nearly perfect condition. Yeah, and you know, I still read to them here and there, just because I like to. If listeners haven't heard of those books, especially Apes among Us by John Green. He was one of the original guys that was going out there and investigating and collecting stories, and track that book down if you can. It is a great book.

3:39 Yeah, that's any big footers library. Oh absolutely, Yeah. So you're in southern Oregon and you're introduced to the subject. Thankfully your school had the right books. And then after that do you start noticing stories growing up or did you actually have some things happen when you guys, maybe run a camping trip or anything like that. Yeah, as a matter of fact, I have two. And then one came to memory actually from my cousin when we were up around the same place about a year later, which I'll get into. I've actually be honest, I've never told this one to anybody until now, because he reminded me of it, and then I totally remembered it. But yeah, I heard some stories. Fifth sixth seventh grade. I lived in a small town of Ashland, Oregon. It's pretty popular town to Shakespeare Festival and everything. But eventually my dad wanted to move to Rogue River because he was going to be working in a mill out there, and so we moved to this little town of Rogue River, and we actually lived about five miles out of town, I think, heading east, in between Rogue River and a little tent little He's the town, I guess, but like called Wimer, And so we moved there when I was about to start the eighth grade, and this is that was probably, I would say, the thing that threw me over the edge, but before that, and I would say it was a

5:09 couple of years before that. To be honest with you, I was. We were probably the poorest poorest kid in town. In Ashland, it's an expensive place to live. So during the summer sometimes we would go up to Hyatt Lake and we'd camp there during the summer. My dad would just drive back and forth to work because it was just cheap to camp pretty much for a couple of months. One night, I think I was ten years old, somewhere around there, and it was the middle of the night, it was late, and all of a sudden I didn't hear it at first because I was sleeping in the tent with my sister and my little baby brother. But eventually it woke me up. My mom said, from the direction I believe of little Hyatt and a lake that's just couple of miles north of that, just beautiful, like an enormous pond in the middle of a meadow, surrounded by nothing but mountains. It's beautiful. But she said, from that direction came these awful screens. They were loud, you could hear them clearly, and when they trailed off, they sounded different, different from the fox or the coyote. Southern Oregon is full of animals in the woods. It just sounded different. And it kept coming, and it kept coming, and it just didn't stop for a few minutes or more.

6:42 I don't remember how long it lasted. She said it lasted for a little while, a few minutes or so, but it was just this hollering just when it trails off, and it sounded as it trailed off, it got deep and hollow. And she was a little freaked out because my dad was working graveyard, so it was just her. But of course we had other campers around us and stuff like that. But these strangers kept coming. And then eventually I woke up and I heard the screaming, and I don't remember if I got scared or anything like that, and my mom says, I got pretty nervous. But the next morning, after all of this, my mom's out there.

7:26 She's for walking over to the I think the they have bathrooms and showers there back in the day, And then then remember going to go to the lodge. There were some other campers that she we were walking past, and I remember them saying, hey, did you hear that last night? And she talked to them for a few minutes, and I don't recall that she had mentioned bigfoot or anything like that, but later on years later, she's, I don't know what that was. It was extremely loud. It was different than anything she's ever heard. And she's shell even today, she's great grandma, and she still goes off in the woods by herself, she'll go camping, and she says she's never heard anything like that since ever. And so for me, that was that point where I started looking through more books and hearing stories as I grew older, and back to the eighth prade. When we were living in Rogue River, we decided, I think it was the second Christmas there my second years right now, it was the first Christmas I had started school at the middle school in Rogue River, and that Christmas we were going to go cut down our own Christmas tree. Back then, you didn't really buy a lot of trees at its story, and you actually went and cut your tree because it's just a twelve bucks or whatever. For attack. We decided to take this huge, long loop all the way out

8:57 past the Limber up into the mountains out towards a place called Eld the Very Flats, and there's a campground there today. This place has logging roads and there's mountains in the background, but there's rolling hills everywhere full of pine trees. Eventually we came to a turnoff and we turned off and it was like this little dirt bridge with some sort of lands, like big huge steel tunnel things and water runs through. We drive over that and we end up in this big, huge roundabout area where the logging road would continue up around the mountain. And that roundabout area was basically just hillside and cliff and it was enough for trucks to turn around in there and park and whatever that were polling logs down or heading up to get loaded with logs. I don't know if it was being used back then. It didn't. I don't remember it looking like it had been used for a while, because at that point time there was a big hissy fit about spotted owls that was crazy, and so it slowed down the industry, and my dad was always in and out of jobs by that point the mill.

10:14 But we decided, my mom and I decided to walk up the bend in the road up the mountain side and the logging road. My dad and my sister and my little brother decided to go off into the slatter area on the side of the turnavent, and so me and my mom were walking up there, and there was snow in the night before, or at least early that morning, because it was fresh. There was nothing out there. It was just there was snow. It wasn't a lot, but it was deep enout there. I'm guessing at least five or six inches, but off the side of the road you'd sink to probably your lower cast. So anyways, we're walking up that way, and I'm looking for Christmas trees, of course, and my mom almost looking over to the right of the road, which has an open area that runs down towards that little creek, and this is just nothing but wall of pine trees, and most of them they didn't look too old. They were tall, of course, but they weren't. They didn't look too old. She's looking over there for some trees, and the next thing you know, I just noticed her and she's looking down and she's looking intently, she's looking she was curious about something, and all of a sudden she's like hey, I'm like, okay, maybe she found a tree. She pulls me over there and she starts walking off into the deeper snow, and

11:46 I look down and I noticed what she's looking at. There are there's a set of tracks something It comes out of the woods, whatever it was, and it the tracks go to the basically to the edge of the road. As we look and after we notice these scenes and start following them, they lead all the way down the side of the road, back down towards the turnabout to the left hand side, down to the creek and then they shoot straight back up into that wall of trees. But also looking at them in the deeper snow, it just my mom was like, that can't be there, because yeah, bear can create some sort of like a single plant when they're walking the way they do, but this had there was no way this would buy people. And so we get to the logging road following the tracks and all of a sudden, this is at the point where you can see toes like toes. Now, I'm young, and I put my foot in one of them, and I'm not a very tall guy at all. I was short back then to even my mom put her foot by one and These things were Shaquille O'Neil size and were huge.

13:09 Then I went from I tried to make that stride and I literally, at that age, had to do this splitch just to touch the heel with the toe of my tip of my shoe to that other track, and I was like, this is crazy, and my mom is just she's just in wonderment. She's in the world. And so we keep following down and then we get down to the crank and then we look at the tracks heading back into the woods. And by this point, my mom, I think, in her head, is starting to figure out that this is a monster in the woods. She looks down at the tracks, she looks at the woods, she looks at the tracks, she looks at the woods, and the next thing you know, she runs off, yelling for my dad and leaving me behind. I, Hey, mom, wallster in the woods, what are you doing? That's so I'm thinking of my head. So I trailed off run an appalling her, and my dad comes over and my dad's yeah, he was a skeptic at that stuff. He wasn't really much into it. He was a pretty straightforward guy. But I'm telling you, there were toes. There was heel, and these things literally had to be. This trail of footprints must have been between seventy five and one hundred yards in length that they traveled. And back then when we

14:39 never thought about trying to get some plaster, all of a sudden and come back and get him, and we know nobody was off that road. The road looked just dead, like nobody's been up it for a while, and that was fresh snow from basically that morning. It was unreal. And then it wasn't too long ago that I had talked to my cousin, and I had talked in a long time, And this goes back to the Hygat Lake incident. He said it was a year later, like the following summer. Me and him are basically the same age. For a month. I grew up with him. He was more like an older brother than he was a cousin. We roommate it together and all this other stuff for years, he told me, And I remember this. Now we've pretty much had free range.

15:23 We could wander off at twelve and thirteen years old and go make a camp somewhere around the lake, as long as we let you know, my my mom know, or my dad know, and tell him exactly the area we would be in, and he said that, And I remember we were walking one late afternoon, it might have been almost dusk, and we were walking over the dam and then we hit the trail of the tenant goes around the lake the past and we decided to go halfway around the lake. And we must have been at this point where people who had fished therew know that there was these trees it would pop out of the lake, these old dead trees. We were directly across from those, and but we were on the I believe it would be like this, I guess the south southeast part of the lake. South south part of the lake. We're directly from those, kind of up a little hillside. But wecause we'll see the lake perfectly from where we were at.

16:26 And but when we were walking there and we heard what we heard football footsteps, and it was you could hear the crunching here and there, and sometimes it would move a little faster, sometimes a little flower. We figured that somebody was up on the trail above us, because there was another trailway up there. But the thing is that it's hard grand it's a trail. This was crunching through the brush through the thick trees, and by that point it was getting it was dark enough to where you really can't see. And you've been here to the Pacific Northwest, you know what it's like. I had a friend that just came out here from Florida, him and his wife, traveling through, and I said Jerry to look into the woods off the side of a highway and he's, man, you can't see ten yards. It's like I told you, it's beautiful and mysterious and crazy. We couldn't see anything but the footfall. And he remembers it. He's all, it sounded like just a big person, like a person that was just big and clunching and making stepping through whatever.

17:44 And then I remembered that we didn't get freaked out because we thought it was just a person. But looking back on it now, with the streams the summer before and that, now, I'm thinking, who knows, maybe it just shattered us for a while, But I do know that eventually it just went away and we can't for the night. That was it. We didn't have any experiences after that, but Higatt Lake in southern Oregon, between that and Howard Prairie, you know those trails back there. Watch what you're doing. I'll tell you that. Keep an eye out, look for tracks, listen to things, as you never know. That place is thick forest, beautiful, but thick. And those are the things that we have experienced led me into Bigfoot. That really that and finding those tracks sent me over the edge.

18:40 Okay, totally gotcha. So for context for listeners a little bit, so that Elderberry Flats area, it is way out there, like it's over thirty miles from Rogue River, and it's thirty miles east in the woods roundabouts from Wolf Creek, which is another that area is pretty wild for other reasons. But also what do you say it is? Yeah, you've got the Oregon Vortex by Wimer issue a little bit. It's down around Gold Hill, it's up Starting Creek, and if you could drive even further back up in there, eventually you'd run into that Elderberry Flats area. And oh yeah, that's right. I almost forgot one more thing. So I was camping, I forgot about this, and I've actually remembered what I told this one to a good friend of mine, William Jebney, And I'm sure you've heard of him. Oh yeah, yeah, So I remember I was camping with a friend of mine and his wife and their little kid. I forgot about this. I was thinking about it this morning and almost space it. We were at Elderberry Flats and this was probably twenty years later. We were camping and maybe not twenty years but we were camping there at Eldeberry Flats.

19:54 We decided to try some gold painting for the fun of it, because we're just crazy enough to Marie. We were there and there's this the creek. There is rocky, there's lots of river rock all around. That was very creek. There, there's a mountain of control of a mountain hill. It's just tall and you couldn't lock up it because it's just so steep, and it's full of brush, trees, you name it. And we're camping there for the night and I'm they got this little partition in their tank. They have little partitions. So him and his wife and the little liners sleeping on the other side of the partition. I'm on this side. And it was probably man, it was the wee hours of the night, two o'clock in the morning, something like that, and all of a sudden, her little three year old or two two year old three year old just lets out this screen a scream, and we're all sitting up all of a sudden, and as we sat up, we heard something from behind the tent and it was heavy footed and it went thudd, splashed, thud.

21:01 That creek where we were at was at least I'm guessing twelve feet maybe a little more. Whatever it was hit that creek and was on the other side in the stride. And then all of a sudden we hear this just as thing moving up that hill in front of us, just crashing through it. My buddy grabs his gun. He pops out of that tent. I pop out after him with a flashlight, and that noise stopped instantly. We were flashing that light up there and looking around for anything. We were looking around the tent a little bit. You can't see any footprints or anything like that because it's not sandy there. There's river rock. The only bit of sand that we had is where our tent was, because we pulled the rocks out earlier as many as we could.

21:52 And after a few minutes we looked what the heck was that because it had it was thudd splashlight. This is bipeedle. So we all get back in the Toyota four runner and that's where we slept the rest of the night until we got in the morning. We packed everything up and left. And that was years later, decade and a half whatever, And it's basically about I would estimate about two to three miles from where me and my mom found the tracks years earlier. It was unbelievable. I told my body as I do, that was a big books big foot. Yeah, I thought splash, flood and then just something just crashing and running up the side of that hill in the middle of the night. You can't see anything out there. It's pitch black, and.

22:47 You're so far away from civilization. People they can drive up there, but it's like middle of the night, dude, that's crazy. I've heard so many weird things from southern Oregon and I've never visited it yet. I have. I'd spend a lot of time in the Oakage area, and I've visited up to Estacada and Colton this last year, but I've never been to southern Oregon. And it just feels, even through the stories that there is there just like a really weird vibe down there. It just some really strange stuff happens. I would say that if there's a couple places that I think that if you ever come back, you should visit. Okay, Now, these places are very eerie. That's there's a lot. I get a lot of anecdotal stories and things from people from these places. It's one of them's, Like I think it's the Twin Lakes area up off the North Umpquah and I actually I can if there was some these trees and not in my way out of my house, I could see the south Upklaw River, but up the North Umpclah up around the Twin Lakes area, there are or yeah, there are people with some strange stories about creepy things the other place. If you're looking and you want to do some research, I highly suggest you always go with somebody one or two other people, make sure that you're armed. But I'm sure you've heard this one too.

24:19 It's up a round towards Crater Lake and there's what is that place called they have cabins and everything Union Creek Union Creek, And I'm telling you right now, the Union Creek and that little corridor up there between that and there's a turn off that goes up to Crater Lake. There are many little side, little forest roads you can go down, and I've camped out there before, and i'll tell you what, there's been some moments where it's like the hair on the back of your neck raises and you're just like, what in the heck is around Cougar there? Wolf? People always say there's no wolves in some other organs. As a matter of fact, we have about three hundred and sixty just up around a pass in the Qui National Force. I mean in southern Oregon area, just running around that place. I have heard more story from there than I think anywhere else in southern Oregon. But there's plenty of Oregons.

25:19 Okay. So that's really interesting because I just talked to a hunter and this is episode eight eighty three that just came out a few days ago, and it was all about Union Creek in Prospect, and I was blown away out. Oh yeah, it was nuts the stuff he was telling the. Prospect Prospect is my dad. Eventually, after the mills started shutting down, he started a carpet cleaning business and we used to actually go out to Prospect here and there. We had a few regular customers and we drive all the way out there for them, and that town is so funny because they were like, I'm like, why do you have a rifle or a handgun by the door, And they're like mountain lions. They come right through the yard constantly, and it's just it is. It's in the It's a little town in the middle of nowhere, and you start getting out in that area of between Prospects and Union Creek and that's what it's Crater Lake. I'm telling you, that place.

26:18 Is wild, absolutely And can you think of any maybe reports or stories that you were given over the years from that area. I remember I had one of my best ones I had heard was one pack Plastic. But I have to go back and listen to it myself. It's done a long time, but I remember there was one up there and they were, I delete, staying at the cabins, and it was a very harassing moment for them. So I don't remember the details of it. In a while. I'm fifty four now, I'm starting to get boggy memory.

26:58 Yeah, I'm starting to get there. There has been a lot of anegy I had. I believe there was somebody once that had told me she was up there and she was getting mushrooms. She was doing a morale mushrooms and she said that she was being something was circling her constantly, and she said it was bipedal. It was walking, and she figured it might have been a forest person, but she was like the football was very heavy, and she swears she heard some sort of deepa glunt or something and it didn't sound human, and it didn't sound like bear, because she's been pretty close to bear before Black Bear up there. And that one was another one that I thought was pretty interesting.

27:45 And she was actually up off of the Union Creek kind of flows down through there and if you get tend to create a laking pull a home on these forest roads. It was a place where I had camped before. And I like to apply fish a little bit in that creek because it's kind of wide, they're deep, and there's a big meta open area that leads into just mountains. Those are really pretty. But she was up there doing some morales and that was su experienced and yeah, she didn't last long. She got back in her vehicle and left the area. Yeah, that lines up with what, yeah, what that individual told me. I've had two different individuals tell me that really this area, it can get really aggressive. And the hunter specifically told me that it's like west of the Rogue River or two thirty. It can get really wild from the reports he's heard from other hunters, which is very interesting.

28:42 Yeah, I think anywhere that's of below the Union Creek side of Crater Lake and in between Union Creek and Crater Lake, I think more people should spend more time there doing research, just because it's there's just too many stories, too. Many exactly, and I haven't heard it come up on I listened to a few other shows, and I haven't heard it really come up. I know there's some people checking out the Diamond Lake area, but this like holy Union Creek prospect area, it's just man at the festival and Oakridge, people were talking about Klamath Falls. They were like sightings in Klamath all over the place. But yeah, this Union Creek prospect, it wasn't really coming up. So it's I think, yeah, people need to check it out.

29:31 I like Diamond Lake and Loamolo Lake up there in between. I've had people give me I've actually got some I think two or three most of my stuff. We'll talk about it a bit here but it's anecdotical stuff. It's just people tell me some basic paragraph or two of what they experienced. I've got two or three. I think that I'm going to be working on for some short stories here in the next month. I think it is. It comes from that area and we camp up there a lot. As a family. We ei to go to the We go up towards Lamolo Lake. So yeah, which is just a hot skipping and jump from Diamond Lake. That's fantastic. In your reports or accounts that you've taken from over the years, do you ever get ones that are they're just weird. And I've heard multiple ones from out there where it sounds like there's stuff like portals involved.

30:23 Do you ever get anything like that? Yeah, this kind of dives into something that I guess we can head into that now. A lot of people and ask me, O me is what you'll ask me? What do I think bigfoot is? I do not believe that you need a degree to be knowledgeable or understand any topic anything. I don't care. If it's brain surgery, I don't care. If it's bigfoot, I don't care. If it's industrial pipe fitting, I don't care. I have done a lot of reading over the years. I love science, and not just from a spiritual standpoint in seeing the life of my father change. My dad was a very bad man for a long time and it became a very good man. But I did a lot of reading.

31:16 I liked science, and it led me to one basic conclusion that can't be beat. I am a creationist at the heart. That's just it. You can't have something for nothing. I'm fining proved it. So I started thinking about the whole Bigfoot thing. Where does that sit in? And I hear the stories too, how portals and the demons. I got to church, man, and I'm a believer in a good Lord. And I'll tell you this right now, there's Christian Gager. I get them both eating at church. I'll tell you this. I've had people come to me and say, man, I own l Coney and I've heard some crazy stuff out there. He's all they are, just like I've heard some the crazy stuff. And then I get the folks, folks, the person here there just they want to have nothing to do with it. To them, it's like the hordes devil are faking people out and whatever. For me, it is real. For me, it is I believe the mohammeded thing human bigfoot thing. No, that's absolutely impossible. I know that's hard to say and hard to take for some people.

32:29 But the DNA just it doesn't work out. It doesn't. I have the same character I share characteristics with a rat. But that's because we all live in under the same biosphere. We're going to share certain things with almost everything. It's just how we were created. We live in this biosphere, so we share things. I believe that this thing did come here from the land bridge that was here for a very long time until the flood and then it receded. The land bridge was made, and I think that they came here, that gigantopithic is, if you will, that it moved here, just like Native Americans everybody's all, they're the original people here. And actually they moved over here too.

33:17 They migrated, and I think that that bigfoot had migrated as well. And I think it's not just the Pacific Northwest. I think it's pretty much all over the country and all over the world, and I think they migrated. That's what I believe. Do I believe in portals and things like that. Personally, Jeremiah, I do not. I don't. I've never I've heard the stories. I've heard those things. It's just for me to be honest. It just there are things out here that people are like, Man, I want to believe. I want to believe, but I hear all these crazy things and if I get it, I totally understand. I really do. And I'm not going to sit there and be rate some money or argue with it part of portals or anything like that. I'm just saying I don't believe that. I don't. I believe this thing is a well adapted eight that has been around here longer than in any than weak in this country as that's for sure. Yeah, I think it's been around for a long time.

34:21 So that that's very interesting and Okay, So I am right there with you with pretty much your background that that you just shared, Like, I am also a Christian the way that I just want to clarify for you things. So you are saying that you're also like a creationist when it comes to religion as well, and you can't. Have something from nothing right, absolutely impossible, and I believe that. Yeah, when they two by two went on the ark, two of these things went on the arc, I believe they were there. I believe that these things populated years. I believe they migrated throughout the world, and I believe that they like that they adapt adapted to particular geographical areas thick woods, heavy woods. People talk about it in the Midwest, and I'm thinking to myself, I don't remember there being lots of woods in the Midwest. But then all of a sudden, I start watching things among my favorite channels, small Town Monsters, right, And I'm looking at these like huge places where it's just thick trees and creeks and plenty of vegetation, and I'm like, not to mention, there's fields of corn and whatever they can eat. And I'm thinking, you know what, I'm wrong. I think they can be there too.

35:40 So so you're holding more to the gigantapithecus theory. It sounds like yeah, dah. Yeah, yeah, And I was, and I know that so far the majority of people that I've talked to about as well, it's an animal, but this thing is highly intelligent and it is well adapted. What I hear is yeah, a lot of people, and there's going to be so much discussion in this one. In the comics are going to get wow. But a lot of people I talk to are saying physical creature that can do things that science cannot explain currently. That's what I hear a lot.

36:23 Yeah, but the thing is about science. People are always sometimes I think, even me and I love science, I think sometimes we put a little too much and we put our faith into it a little bit too much. But somebody tells me we decided to have a discussion about portals and Bigfoot doing phasing in and out of this whatever, I don't know reality to another one. I'll have that discussion all day long. I don't mind it. I'm not going to be rate anybody for what they believe. That's what they believe, that's what they've experienced and arbit for me. But I love to have the discussions, and I think that's great. It's always I think the world needs a little bit of that right now. Sure, and a little bit more discussing. Absolutely the only in fighting and arguing and making bad comments on a social post.

37:13 I think conversations are much better. But yeah, as far as what I know and what I've read, I'm you know, I'm in the John Green category with it. This is an animal and it is real and it's highly intelligent and well adapted to its environment. Gotcha. And the great thing about taking people's reports and documenting them and letting them get it off their chest is you're not just because you take that report doesn't mean that you believe or let me just say this. You can believe it, but it's not like you're taking it in as your personal belief just because you listen to this person's report. At least that's how I look anyways, That's how I try to view. So that's that being said.

38:00 Have you noticed a pattern from things that you are taking in over the years that there are a lot of people that are experiencing things like I don't know if you could say highest rangers or paranormal things associated with Bigfoot, like a portal or something. I hear that in on a lot of the different podcasts and videos out here and things like that. I hear that a lot, and it is becoming a little more and more frequent that the encounter stories that we hear are they're starting to get pretty wild. Personally, my belief is and if anybody gets mad at this, that's okay, I don't mind. I'm pretty relaxed. Yeah, I think sometimes that that adds to it really doesn't help the credibility of the actual research down out here into this subject. It.

39:01 You've got some great people out here from Cliff Brickland too, I've run into as matter of fact, I've got pictures of my kids with Bob Gemmlin and I'm telling you that the rese of William Junning and small town monsters, these guys out here doing real research. I think sometimes that the wildness kind of distracts or detracts from what people you don't you know, an't really sitting on the fence or maybe just learning about it. I think it detracts from that. I think it it throws people in the over the edge. This is too much, this is too crazy now. And that's why I like the pure research, the real research into this. And when I see people like Cliff Berrickland and all those guys doing pure research out in the woods, I watch. I'll gobble that up on YouTube and podcasts. I'll eat it up all day long because it's just reel. It's real people doing real research and into something that's real.

40:08 Far I'm concerned, So I get it. I totally do. So you hear things like a bigfoot can move in front of something and totally like camouflage or disappear into that tree or that bush. But then if you hear that an octopus can do the same thing, then that doesn't sound as crazy, right, So it's like, why. You have to look at it like this, Did the octopus actually disappear a camouflage, right? A camouflage? Yes, yeah, so can a bigfoot camouflage? Can a bigfoot blend into its environment? I believe so. I believe, especially when people tell me, man, I saw this stone that was like eight feet tall, crazy looking eye and then all of a sudden it moves. You think it's a stump because it's so still. It's camouflage into it's got similar colors to the trees and the bark and the foliage around it. Sure, it's like trying to find us green sniper. It's just you're probably not going to find him, and until it's too late, you're not going to because it didn't really disappear.

41:26 It's just camouflage. But that makes it real. It is going back to something a few minutes ago. It is fun to imagine maybe they're too bigfoot on the arc that would be weird. I don't know. I don't know. I wasn't there. All I know is the evidence that I have read about. Yeah. But the interesting thing is that when I talk to a lot of people that have religious backgrounds or they bring up the Bible or Christianity, most of them when they talk about Bigfoot, will talk about Bigfoot is a nephylm bad Genesis six. And so it's interesting to hear you not bring that up too, which is cool, you kind of have a different view.

42:11 Yeah, And I've had people actually bring that up to me, and I already shot that down because if you actually look up the original text in Hebrew and stuff talking about nephylin then you'll understand that's not even compatible whatsoever, not even close. No, that is an impossibility. And the nephylom were not They weren't some sort of of They weren't an eight. It wasn't an animal, it wasn't anything like that. A nephylm was basically a half breathe. It was basically just that there were giants back then, and there were giant people. When David took that slingshot, he took more than one stone. Why because he was afraid that Golias brothers were going to come after it. There was more than one Golias. He had family and that's why he took more stones. And people talk about methyl and stuff like that, but that has everything to do with angeology. Demonology makes breed fallen angels. That has nothing to do with the actual physical a lot to do with the physical world here in animals that God created.

43:40 This is an animal and it's just highly intelligent and well it happened. That's you know what. Some people are like, that's too simple of an answer. It's like God said, if I use the simple thing to confound the wise. He said that directly, and sometimes things are just that simple. And that's a wonderful thing about science is because we study things and we find out the simple answer. It's usually explained by Alkham's razors. Simple answer tends to be the correct one. It's really interesting and listeners are like, what in the world is going on right now? None of this was planned, guys, we're just chatting. It's actually conversation.

44:24 And to me, everything that I usually most of the anecdotal stuff and the little reports that I get from people and little stories, this thing has nothing but physical traits most of the time. There's a few, there's a couple here and there that get a little off beat, and I scratched my head a little bit, and I try to reason that in my head, but it's just for the most part. But like you and most most of the encounters that we hear, it's just the physical creature. I'll take it at that for now. Do you ever get the reports where people are like for some reason, these are always really fun where it's like what I saw looked exactly like a big orangutan.

45:11 Have you ever gotten any of those? Yeah? Yeah, I've had cinnamon color orange iorrrang and tang even the ring is tinge face if a rainy kine is the word I've had. I've actually had quite a few over the years, over the last decade of people, especially that kind of cinnamon orange color and like a burnt cinnamon color. I've had those that rang and tany looking long arms, a little bit of a belly, big chested but tall, that walked more when it was erected, walked but had that bended to knee, and that real swift, ghostly like Wockett has at Gate. Yeah, I've heard of people that explained facial features and the look resemblance of an er anything.

46:01 Yeah, it's just it's very weird stuff. I hear a lot of that from Prince of Wales Island in southeast Alaska. Is there a report that comes to mind. Let's say, if you know you were to only take one report from your years of listening to people and taking accounts, is there one that really sticks out to your mind? That's wow? That one. If I could only live with that one, that would be the one. It would be the goat Man. It was one of my earlier ones when I was on pack with Bigfoot and I actually met the goat Man. Sometimes when I was skateboarding through ashal you'd be at the McDonald's of an agency and water because they have a lot of money or anything, and sometimes you did some money that you'd be selling, some stuff that you would make to stop.

46:53 And whatever he was, he was it was seen in this girlfriend that lives up towards the Coolstein Valley, but he was in the town from time to time and we'd stopped buying and hang out with goat Man and stuff like that. Then he told me this crazy tale and I tried to write it out the best I could as a short story writer. And remember the girlfriend was sick and his wife was sick, and it's following into town for medication and going back he is just massively harassed by a big foot. And it was the craziest story I'd ever heard. Now, I came from the goat man, and if you knew this guy, you'd be like, but I'll tell you what. It was fascinating. He had all of our attention. We weren't even thinking skateboarding at the time, and shot me. I was a skateboarder, and we just sat there for must have been an hour just intently listening to the goat man tell us his story.

47:52 And it's still on there on tackles stick foot, so it's It was intense and it was crazy. There wasn't any any of the spiritual side of interne. It was just straight up animal that was just harassing it. And I was like, wow, that's crazy. So yeah, that was probably my favorite old hippie gat He was just he was funny, crazy, But man, what a story. That's awesome. I love being able to document stories like that so that they're not lost the time, which is I think is extremely important. John Green used to do. As we were talking about him earlier, I'd love to talk about this new channel that you have for a minute, because you have so PacWest Bigfoot. You still have as a channel, but you started a new channel. Correct.

48:46 Yes, I'll be doing a little video on why it changed. But briefly, it first it came down to for some personal reasons, I got busy. Things also changed in twenty twenty with algorithms. I used to be an SEO Internet marketer for businesses and people and stuff like that for a while. But because Google changed some algorithms in there in twenty twenty, which actually you can ask a lot of people back then, they'll tell you that their rankings were hurt. Things happened. It ended up being so broad that it hurt a lot of channel people were very upset. I was one of them, and so that happens. And also, while I get along with just about everybody in the community, whether we believe in portals or not, there was I took it personally at the time, but there was a few shots made at me, and to be honest, and I'm sorry to all your attack West Bigfoot followers out there at the time, but I shouldn't have. But I took them personal and next shutdown for a while and it wasn't there, which is two or three, and I remember a couple of those people not much long as weeks after that I actually called me and apologized. One of them didn't, but a couple of them did, and that kind of that made me feel better. I'll tell you, if you're doing pure research out here and you're doing your saying, don't do what I did, don't shut down, keep going, keep recording, keep just keep on the journey,

50:20 don't stop forget what other people say. Let it go, take the good, let the bad go, or else you'll end up what I did, doing what I did, And I shut down. And then I shut down until this last fall about a year ago, and then I started writing again at the behest of a lot of people started messaging me on Facebook and Instagram and emailing me and saying, man, sure, we love a story. And then my mom was like, get a story out there or getting grounded. I was like, Mom, I'm in my fifties. I was around me now she's at wart bet And after all of those years of being online successfully, I ended up going back to work, and today I work for a public school system, and I find out that I got all morning until afternoon free time to explore up the road at the Northern Claw. I can write and do things now that I have time for in my life. And I just had a my very first grand kid born, a little boy, and my son was like, I sure would love to read those stories to him, and that got the cockles of my heart. And I started up again on a channel called Where Bigfoot Roams and there just to let everybody know, I'll do some interviews,

51:54 but I'm not going to do the interviews as many as I used to do. I prefer to listen to interviews. I love it here on the society. I love Creek Devil Saskaw chronicles. I love listening to a small town Monsters. I watched them all the time. I'm like listening to the interviews more than I like doing them. To be honest, I've always been a short story writer, a creative writer, and it was always more appealing to me for the entertainment side of the subject. To be honest, a lot of people sometimes tell me, like, yeah, I'm listening to interviews.

52:37 I read all these books and all this stuff, but sometimes I just want to be entertained. And I heard that over the last few months, and so I decided that I will just focus mostly in on taking that three sentences or three paragraphs that's an the little story from somebody and turning it into a short story for people to just relax do. I had a grandmother emailed me and said, I used to read your pack lists Bigfoot stories to my grandkid every single night, and now I've got a new grandkid and I'm looking forward to reading those stories to her at night. And to me, that is what that's what makes me tick in the end, is to let you guys out there do a lot of those interviews and listen and learn, whereas I can be more of the bedtime story guy, where I take some based on true anecdotal stuff and turn it into a nice short story for someone to just enjoy.

53:55 I think that's great. Wow, that's awesome. Yeah, And I will be heading into doing some children's books based around Bigfoot characters. Oh man, really. It'll be fun. Yeah. Cool. It just hit me the It hit me about a week ago and I was like, you know what, oh, and just by and by the way, you guys, these are not AI written. I write my own stuff. I do my own stuff. The only thing I use AI for is images. That's it. Yeah, do not write with AI. I find it. Yeah, I find it. I'll be honest with you. I find the cheat. It's cheating. I think you need to come up with these stories. I think that writing children's books yourself is an honest way of going about it. I really do. Everybody's got some creativity in them, I think, and you should use it.

54:49 I think that's great. Yeah, that's why I enjoy actually talking to people directly and recording that in the things that come out of that organic conversation can never be replicated by anything else. It's just it's completely yeah. Yeah, yeah, and good stuff. This. I have been wanting to talk to you for a while, David, and I was always like, I wonder if he'll ever come back. So I'm glad that you came back in this way. It was great to talk to you. Yeah. Do you ever show up at any festivals or conferences just taking it in or. We'd have a I was invited the last year or two to the One Out and Glide here those organs.

55:37 I haven't gone yet. But I decided this next go around next year during summer whenever it is, I decided that I'm going to show up and walk around and have lunch and just enjoy the folks walking around. If anybody recognizes me, great and I said hi, conversations into the day the rest of the day. But I haven't been to one years, to be honest, is it something I go out of my way for. I still have three kids at home out of five. Sure, so life is very busy for us and those of this. My wife and I work during the summer. I work during the day and I work ten hour shifts and so we could have three days off. But it doesn't mean that I ain't tired, because I do physical labor now and it's tiring. Sometimes. Our camping trips are about what we do during the summer. But I am looking forward to doing that at least going to the Glide Festival every year starting this next year.

56:37 That's fantastic. Yeah, there's some there's some really good ones out there in Oregon. That's one of them. The Oakridge one is great. Sasquat Summer Fest is so many cool things. To the last one, I think the last one I was at was beach Foot. That was years ago. Yep, gotcha, gotcha. That was pretty cool. That's yeah, where my kids met mister Himlin. Took pictures with them and talked to him for he loved They ended up writing some letters back and forth a little while, and it was just he is just a wonderful guy. I have to tell you, he was just a wonderful man. He is he is love kids, and you could just tell it was just a great man. That is. That is really cool to hear, Actually, to hear that side about someone you might not normally hear.

57:23 But David, it has been really fun having you on the show. I want to make sure that you're able to share everything that you wanted to. I think we had a good conversation. Yeah, it's great, fantastic. I've got one one other thing for you. But thank you so much for being on the show today. Yes, of course, thank you so very much. Man. Thank you for listening to this episode of the big Foot Society podcast. Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you enjoyed this episode. Please be sure to subscribe to the channel on YouTube hit the bell so you don't miss the next episode, and share this with a friend who's into mysteries, monsters, or the unexplained. And if you're listening to us on Spotify or Apple Podcast, please follow the show there and leave us a five star positive review because all that helps more people discover the show.

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