The CIA Pushed me off my Bigfoot Site in Rainier, Oregon | Henry Franzoni

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right, Big for Society. I've
got the privilege of having mister Henry Franzoni

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back on the podcast again. It's
been a while since we last chatted.

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Henry. How are you. I'm
good. I'm really good. How are

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you? You know I'm doing good. It's always a good day when I

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get to talk to people about Bigfoot. The talking, you know, I

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consider you're a person I've talked to
a few times, you know, not

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just on the show, but on
the side and you sent me a copy

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of your new book. I was
so excited to hear that you were able

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to get the book out. Failing
in a cooler way. Why I never

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found Bigfoot, So we'll get into
that later, but it's just it's just

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always fun to chat with you.
The last chat we had, we talked

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about your documentary back in the day, and yes, that seems to be

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what I I'm known for. Yeah, it's a couple of those documentaries that

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are now old classic classic nineties bigfoot
documentaries. If listeners haven't nineteen ninety six

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and nineteen ninety eight, that's really
a long time ago, you know,

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really, surprisingly enough, it is
a long time ago, which is a

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little scary, but you kind of, you know, you kind of deal

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with it. But yeah, I
guess so I'm not I'm not really adjusted

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to that yet. Yeah, let's
let's not assume that people know. Maybe

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people don't know who you are,
but I'd like to say that if you're

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in the big footing world and you
know who Henry Franzoni is, you're you're

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having a good time because you just
have done some really cool stuff. You've

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had some you know, you got
involved with bigfoot back in the nineties,

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which is a really interesting time frame
for bigfoot research. You were one of

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the first guys that got involved with, you know, making websites for people,

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and you had the first, I
want to say, the first forum,

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right, Yeah, I created the
first online bigfoot discussion group, the

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Internet Virtual Bigfoot Conference, And many
of your bigfoot of today were once members

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of my little online discussion group.
And there was only one at that time.

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Can you believe it? There was
only a single email group about bigfoot.

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I would love that. So it's
really different today, you know for

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me, because I'm like, wow, okay, you know that really took

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off only Moly, but Cliff Barrickman
was a member. Wow. Yes,

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I'm trying to think. Moneymaker was
there too for a while, but then

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he split off to do his own
thing, you know, so because he

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wanted to call his own shots and
had his own dream, and hey,

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more power to them. The guys
lived his dream. So but yeah,

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I from that time, and then
I got I left the whole thing behind

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in two thousand, the year two
thousand, when most of you hadn't started

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yet, and I was really sick
of it, and particularly sick of all

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the you know, yelling and screaming
and you know, posturing, lack of

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Well, let us say everybody had
a checklist, everybody could rationalize everything to

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their checklist, but nobody was rational
and nobody was reasonable. So, just

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like today, the two sides paranormal
in flesh and Blood just could not talk

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to each other at all. You
know, I just couldn't do it.

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They just found each other abhorrent.
And I'm hoping, you know, I

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always hoped it would mellow out some. But yeah, by the year two

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it was just too you know,
too much inflammatory rhetoric and people yelling and

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screaming. I wanted nothing to do
with it, and so I left for

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twenty years. And now I want
to talk about Bigfoot. All now,

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I'm like, oh man, Bigfoot, let's talk Bigfoot. There's one question

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I can't let slip away before we
get into Is there an archive of that

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that forum anywhere? Does that exist
in any form there? I, being

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a computer guy, right might have
an archive of that list on something in

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my office, you know, some
electronic storage media that is here, because

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at one at one point I made
backups of everything. And yeah, there

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was a number of times, you
know, like I backed it up.

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But I also had a real you
know, like in the year two thousand

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for me, I got rid of
all my data, I got rid of

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all my track casts, I got
rid of my databases. I was just

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like sick of the whole thing.
Got rid of my hair samples, got

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rid of all my Bigfoot goodies.
And I had a huge collection of Bigfoot

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goodies at that point. And I
just moved on and said, man,

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I want nothing to do with this. But it wasn't actually that I really

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completely ran away from Bigfoot. I
ran away from the Bigfoot community there it

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is, yes, because you read
this book and you're like, I don't

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think he actually just ran away from
Bigfoot, but yeah, the community you

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took his community. I did.
But I went off into my own thing

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with Bigfoot and tried to do my
own thing for many many years. And

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now I have like a different narrative
than everyone else that I wish to share.

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And I just have one piece of
the puzzle that I think I've figured

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out. And I know there's a
lot of other people that have pieces of

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the puzzle figured out, you know, so like I think I can coexist

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with all of them somehow. And
we'll see how that goes. But yeah,

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you know, I'm just like another
guy throwing in another point of view

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about it. And I kind of
of the opinion that when and this is

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the problem with my book, when
you explain it to somebody, they don't

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believe you because it's really hard.
It's really incredible, but it's going on.

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In my opinion, what's going on
with Bigfoot is really an incredible deal,

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so an intense book, and there's
there's so many onion layers to it.

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I learned. Yeah, it's connected
to everything. I can't help but

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telling people that you know, Bigfoot
is literally connected to everything. In my

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opinion, there was a fascinating story. I don't think it's in your first

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book. Maybe it is, but
I don't think it is where you kind

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of you share something that happened in
two thousand that made you kind of step

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away as well, and it's a
really interesting series of events. Is that

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anything you wouldn't mind sharing a little
bit of kind of don't at all?

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Yeah, yeah, I see,
here's the party pooper in me for the

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Bigfoot community that I have this contrary
opinion to everyone else. I think the

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idea of searching for evidence to prove
that Bigfoot exists is a fool's errand and

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is a complete ridiculous waste of time, because I feel that those who ought

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to know if Bigfoot is real already
know that Bigfoot's real. And the US

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military knows that Bigfoot's real, and
it goes far beyond just knowing that Bigfoot's

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real. They've been working with them
for a really long time, side by

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side on various military projects, which
I know you might find to be really,

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really crazy, but that's what I
found out. And in the year

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two thousand I I ran into the
government stopping me. The CIA, actually,

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who doesn't operate in America domestically,
by the way, especially in the

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year nineteen ninety five. Well they
they stopped me twice. I was actually

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getting warm in the year two thousand
and I might have affected the status quo,

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that's my opinion. And the government
basically said, hey, no,

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you know, like here go,
you know, chill out. They gave

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me the big chill out. And
it was nothing I can prove, and

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there's no hard evidence. And I'm
sorry, Danny Perez, I cannot prove

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anything of this at all. I
have no evidence of this kind of thing.

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But basically they communicated to me through
a few events that I document in

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the book, that you know,
back off what I had been convinced of

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at that moment that when they stopped
me, by the way, I was

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convinced that there was a Bigfoot village
or headquarters or base or something underneath Missed

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Oregon, in the gas caves that
lie underneath Missed Oregon. And at that

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time I was hell bent on trying
to get to the gas caves underneath Missed

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Oregon. And that's when the government
basically talked to me and said stop.

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And in a way of like,
the way they stopped me was one arm

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of our military protected me from another
arm of our military. And I saw

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that there was a division in our
military government about this topic. And that

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was enough for me to just go, hey, I'm just a cilian.

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I don't want to I don't know
nothing, man, what you know?

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Sorry? Sorry, hands off.
And so that really stopped me from being

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involved publicly with Bigfoot for twenty some
years twenty two years actually one's counting.

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And only twenty two years later did
it become clear that the government, once

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again indirectly, not in a way
I could ever prove to anybody communicated to

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me that it was okay if I
ventured my opinion now about things like,

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hey, there's a bigfoot base underneath
Missed, Oregon, for example. Now

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that's not something that I don't think
anybody else is really going to be able

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to prove, right, I mean, especially since there's a Northwest Natural gas

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installation that I think it's under and
it's guarded by the military strangely enough,

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which is why I was so suspicious, because why would a commercial gas company

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have a military guard? But hey, you know, I think that the

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government knows all about Bigfoot, and
scientists and policy makers that really ought to

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know do know. And everyone that
is in this field that thinks that they're

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actually accomplishing something by proving that Bigfoot
exists, by providing evidence to some scientist

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or policymaker out there, is really
playing with themselves. I mean to put

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it in delicately. Sorry, and
that's really it's really, you know,

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that's the hard truth. I'm sorry. I knew that. I knew that

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in two thousand, so in two
thousand I knew the fix was in.

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And in short, they show you
what they want you to see, and

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we are all being fed breadcrumbs by
the government, and it got really out

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of hand because there's a lot more
to this story that I'm telling you right

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now. The big part of it
is that they, well, you know

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my book. It's not like,
you know, I really don't want to

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be that guy that's like, well, you know, well the CIA,

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Yeah, yeah, my book.
It's really cool. No, it's I'm

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not that guy. I actually tried
to in my book and I tried to

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expla physics principles when I tried to
explain why this is, Why is the

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government hiding this? And I try
to explain this to you. We'll be

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back with more Bigfoot Society after these
words from our sponsors. And it's a

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strange reason. It has to do
with gravometric motors, and it has to

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do with the news right now of
what's going on right now. And I'll

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tell you what I mean. Okay. So I think that in the night

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for one hundred years, right after
Einstein came up with general relativity, engineers

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military engineers for the US government modified
Einstein's relativity and designed gravo metric motors,

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which they've been working on for one
hundred years. And in my book.

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I document Tesla claiming in nineteen thirty
one in the Brooklyn Eagle that he has

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a motor powered by cosmic rays,
which was at that time same thing Tesla's

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name for the same thing. So
I'm convinced that because this technology and these

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physics principles, and that's really what
I try to just lay out in the

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book is here's the physics principle.
This is the modified Einstein equation that gravelmetric

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motors are constructed with. And it's
a physics revolution. And what happened in

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the twenties was physics split into an
open book that's all the physics we know

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in the public, and a closed
book that the US military knows. And

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they've been building these UFOs ever since. So now, right now today we

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have congressional testimony whistleblowers talking about UFOs. Suddenly the government's attitude is, oh,

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UFOs are real, we call them
UAPs. But oh yeah, now

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they're real. We don't know what
they are. Yeah, baloney, you

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don't know what they are. So
this is like a scheduled release of information

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by the government absolute, you know, and they're definitely doing it. And

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what I'm showing you is the physics
principle behind the UFOs you are seeing in

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their motors, and why I'm showing
you that is because the weird thing is.

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And this is where I differ also
from most bigfoot people. Bigfoot uses

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graveometric physics principles in the way they
move and the way they camouflage themsels,

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in the way they communicate. A
lot of what they do is dependent on

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the same physics principle, which I
try to explain in my book. And

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this is why the government didn't want
us to know about Bigfoot, because if

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you understand how Bigfoot moves about and
camouflages and does all that stuff, that

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paranormal stuff, if you actually understand
the physics science of it, why that

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leads you to understanding what our black
projects in our military are doing in all

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the UFO things. But twenty years
ago, when they stopped me, they

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told me that one day they would
come to me and they would tell me

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it was okay. And they came
to me and told me it was okay

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to write my book. Now.
The other thing, they weren't very helpful.

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See, I'm like an unwitting tool
of these guys, Because they said

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twenty years ago, they said do
you know why we told you all these

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things? And I said no,
and they said you will and I'm now

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here I am twenty three years later, and no, I don't. But

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I kind of think this is the
right time because I see not only the

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UFO thing going on right now,
but I see doctor Salvatore Pais describing all

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these physics and I'm like, oh, okay, I recognize those. I

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recognize this, and so I'm like, gee, I'm probably the only person

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that does recognize this out there.
But I'm like, wait a minute,

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this is where I was headed twenty
three years ago, and now I see

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that the government. If you actually
watched it an interview with Salvator Pees,

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it really seems like it's some kind
of op, you know, the way

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he talks and just the whole boy, it's kind of it's great and I'm

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just into the physics. But the
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table right now about UFOs and Bigfoot. They're connected, and they're connected by

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graveometric physics principles that were a huge
secret and for some reason they're not a

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secret anymore. And the government is
letting all the beans out of the can

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and the worms out of the whatever
and or this is the beginning of it.

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At least that's my opinion, and
I feel that I see enough.

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That's what my book covers is I
see enough breadcrumbs that the government has laid

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out that they're telling us the real
story or putting the They put the dots

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out there for us to connect.
When I see a lot of these UFO

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guys talk about oh, the government's
hiding all this technology and everything, I'm

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like, yeah, yeah, they
did for you know, one hundred years,

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but they just put everything on the
internet so that you can understand what

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it is like. You know,
they're not hiding it. Here's the physics

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principles. I sort of do what
I think is really obvious, which is

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you connect all the recent Nobel prizes
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If you look at the big picture
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focusing just on that thing and excluding
everything else, you realize that the government

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is actually fessing up to all this
secret technology they've held onto for one hundred

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years. Wow, and it's connected
to Bigfoot. It's really connected to bigfoot

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because they're actually an advanced scientific species. So this makes me Bigfoot is a

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person guy, not an animal,
right, I'm on that side of the

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equation. Not only are they a
person, but to find a person,

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you know. I mean that's also
what I try to do in my book

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is to point out what flesh and
blood really is, because everybody throws that

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term around flesh and blood, flesh
and blood, flesh and well what is

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flesh and blood? What does it
consist of? You know, deconstruct it

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whatever, what are the pieces?
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somebody looking at something that's flesh and
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flesh and blood implies there's an awareness, there's a consciousness outside of it

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looking at it. And so you
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And that's a fundamental problem for all
flesh and blood people because biologists today,

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in current mainstream biology, do not
understand what consciousness is and what its role

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is in reality and in physics.
And so unfortunately the bigfoot thing goes into

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that as well, because we have
to change our science to understand bigfoot.

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That's the real problem. We have
to understand a different sort of physics.

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Now this would be revolutionary, oh
boy, except it happened one hundred years

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ago, and they've kept it from
us. So I didn't think of anything.

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I'm just connecting all the dots,
and I see all the dots laid

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out there by you know, mysterious, the hidden hand, behind the hidden

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hand, behind the hidden hand.
I mean, I have no idea who's

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doing this, but I got some
guesses about who's doing this, and it's

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our US military that seems to be
maybe not of their own volition. Here's

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where we get to the other thing, because unfortunately my book gets into this

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too, which is Bigfoot is management
of this geometry of space time. They're

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actually management. We are the caretakers
of this planet. But we are not

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the brains. They are the brains. We are the caretakers. There's a

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phrase in your book where you say, master Bigfoot rules the world. Is

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that kind of Yeah, that's that's
what it is. Yeah, Yeah,

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explain that these guys are. In
short, the short version is indigenous people

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around the world refer to them as
ancestors. Ancestors are the people before.

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They are an intelligent race that evolved
before us. There are elder brothers.

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They don't necessarily appear to be Homo
sapiens, right, there's some other kind

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of person in a hominid form or
something like that. But they reach the

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point. You see, there's many
many You have to read an awful lot

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of oral histories of a lot of
Indigenous people, which I get into a

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lot of in my book. But
the thing is is that the people before

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are our elder brothers, and most
indigenous cultures, their cultural view of what's

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going on is completely different than our
cultural view here in White man Land,

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and the indigenous in the Native American
cultures which you're most familiar with and which

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are where I spent the last thirty
years, everybody, like the default is

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you believe Bigfoot is real, even
if you've never seen a Bigfoot, You've

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heard stories about Bigfoot, and you
all believe it's real. And then there's

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many, many layers of knowledge about
Bigfoot within the other tribal cultures. What

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is meant by the term Indian medicine
gets deeper and deeper and deeper and has

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many many layers, and what is
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and deeper. And then you find
out that every tribe has a different opinion,

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and there's really a lot of tribes
five hundred and thirty seven registered ones

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in America or United States right now. The thing that you find out is

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that how don't want to explain this
simply, all of the Buddhist stages and

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such are using the same physics.
It turns out that the subconscious mind,

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the true powers of the subconscious mind, when accessed by the conscious mind,

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result in your ability to shape shift, teleport, communicate telepathically. You can

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do all kinds of stuff with the
true powers of the subconscious mind, including

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like create a black hole with your
mind and then walk through it, which

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is what these guys basically can do. They have so much power in their

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mind they can create a black hole
and step through it, kind of like,

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you know, their own portal to
anywhere in the galaxy. So they

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are a species that has reached an
evolutionary stage where they obtain their energy from

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the fabric of space time. They
no longer bother with other energy sources such

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as deer and elk and rabbits.
However, they seem to enjoy to hunt

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them and eat them, you know, like they still relish their creatureliness and

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they're like hillbillies. So even if
they're like advanced scientists. They're really you

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know, just as they really relish
that creatureliness. But these they're very much

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like Indians in that way in that
they are very comfortable with their creatureliness and

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their intellect simultaneously. But when you
really master the conscious control of the subconscious

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mind, you're basically able to do
the same thing that our engineers can do

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in the black military world with graveometric
motors. Basically you can make a gravometric

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motor with your mind. If you
have a mind as strong as Bigfoot's mind,

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they have a super super strong rind. So what this means is and

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part of why you have the association
with UFOs is through the brains of the

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planet. So all the other species
that come visit here visit them first.

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We're an afterthought. We'll be back
with more Bigfoot Society after these words from

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our sponsors were the first. Yeah, it's like start. It's like Star

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Trek four where they came down for
the whales, the Great Whales. Classic

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they come down. They come down
for Bigfoot, not us them because they're

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tell their minds are on another order. I mean literally, they're like four

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dimensional beings. All the ones i've
met now, of course, I allow,

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for I only know one ten of
nothing, and so I know there

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must be all these other things going
on. But this is what I know

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from my experiences, now that I've
had thirty years of them. I'm like,

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yeah, no, the ones I
know, they all can step in

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and out of this dimension, all
of them, and they're all telepathic,

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and they all you know, I
mean, come on, I mean,

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I've never known one that wasn't super
smart or of the contacts I've had,

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you know. So that puts me
in a strange place with the Bigfoot community

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because I'm I'm on a different approach
than they are, you know it.

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I have just a different approach and
we can coexist though. I mean,

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I really don't have any objections to
anything they're doing. In my opinion,

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bigfoot can kill you with a thought, and so you should not screw with

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them at all. You should have
a lot of respect, and the idea

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of shooting them or anything is ludicrous
to the point of And another thing I

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always say, which is interesting,
maybe all stories about bodies are false.

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Really, Yes, I've never ever
ever heard a body story about somebody finding

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a body body this but dead when
they are dead that that didn't turn out

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to be false. And it's because
no one's ever touched their bodies of all

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the researchers. You know, if
you think about it and step back and

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think about everybody, has anybody ever
touched one that you have ever heard of?

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Think about it. There might be
might be Okay, you know,

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I'm just saying, okay, think
about it. Now. They look like

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us, Yes, they're related to
us. Yes, they got to be

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right. They looked like primates or
prominids or whatever. They got big butts.

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But in my opinion, their bodies
are not like our bodies. Their

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bodies are quite different than our bodies. They might look just like flesh and

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blood like you and me, but
they have mental control over the density of

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their bodies. They have mental control
over like the whole structure of their bodies.

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And one of the first things I
encountered was tracks of a bigfoot that

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turned into tracks of a deer.
And so I knew from nineteen ninety five,

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I knew that bigfoot was a shape
shifter. No one, no one

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believed that. My own eyes told
me that, and I said, wow,

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you know, I could understand why
no one would believe that. That's

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unbelieve you know, that's literally unbelievable. But in my early days, in

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my first five years, where I
went out and examined every citing report I

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could find in Oregon and Washington with
a team, and we had five million

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dollars to look, so it was
a full time thing. We all just

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ran around like crazy, like the
crazy Bigfoot researchers of today. We ran

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around gathering stories and citing reports and
every bit of evidence we could find to

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gather, you know, to prove
Bigfoot was real, right to policy makers

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and scientists so they would take it
seriously. That was the goal of the

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Bigfoot Research Project. So you know, that's also why I failed, is

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that was my goal thirty years ago. And then I became one of the

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policy makers for the government and one
of the scientists for the government, and

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then I started to see that,
oh no, actually, how naive I

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was about everything. So you know, I just want to do a quick

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pause because I know there's probably a
few listeners that are like, why in

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the world is he not talking to
him about the big Foo. Guys,

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there's a first episode where we go
deep into it, so you need to

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make sure you listen and you can
stop making that comment on this YouTube video

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that we covered that we covered that
we did. We covered that Bigfoot research

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project pretty good. Yes, there's
a question I have for you. So

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in the book you mentioned there are
places that facilitate contact with the minds operating

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at different frequencies than ours, and
that you know of a couple spots.

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Is that you can go more into
or well, yeah, there's you know

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sure. I mean, on the
one hand, Renee de Hinden told me

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this so really long time ago.
Everyone knows where the hotspots are, and

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that's true once you're really into this
for a while, like many of your

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listeners, everybody knows where the hotspots
are. You know. You check out

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all the reports, you go,
ah, man, they're all around the

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here. So in the other cultures, Bigfoot is a protector, Bigfoot is

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a well, it depends on the
tribe. The nez Perse regard Bigfoot as

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part of their creation story and they
refer to Bigfoot as the monster. Well,

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there's a connection between Bigfoot and the
monster that created their tribe. There

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was a giant monster that fought with
Coyote in the nez Pers creation myth and

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coyote won and ripped the monster apart, and from his left army made the

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Sioux and his right army made the
crow. And there's this huge list as

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he goes through all the tribes and
all the different body parts, and when

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pardon me, when they get to
the heart, Coyote creates the nez perce.

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So there's this huge red rock in
Idaho next to Highway twelve at a

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rest stop called Heart of the Monster, and it's a roadside rest stop today,

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and the nez Per's creation story.
That's the heart a Bigfoot that landed

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there when coyote ripped it out of
Bigfoot. The nez Pers crawled into this

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world by crawling out from under that
rock from caves that were underneath that rock,

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and that's how they came to be
in this world. So there's a

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connection between Bigfoot and that. So
now they have many places. They have

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smoking spots around the res where you
can talk to the ancestors, and you

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go up and have a smoke on
like one of these little peaks and you

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talk to the ancestors, and over
time you come to understand that Bigfoot in

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the ancestors are the same that Bigfoot
are these people that once evolved to a

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point where once they got full control
of the true powers of their subconscious mind.

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Yeah, they could shape shift,
or they could go to the delta

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quadrant through the wormhole, you know, like they could go anywhere. And

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at that point they became the ambassadors
for this planet with three other species.

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And all the species that are evolved
to that level where they derive their energy

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directly from the fabric of space time
seem to be location independent. Let us

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say, like it doesn't really matter
where they are where they came from.

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They're everywhere in the universe at the
same time. Wherever they want to be,

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they're there, right, They're all
like the queue continuum. They can

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all just go like poop poop poop
everywhere. Except there's lots of species that

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are like this. We really are
the dumb guys in the big picture,

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and Bigfoot kind of insulates us from
all the others, like they're kind of

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our they're the brains here where the
caretakers. And apparently I never thought that

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this would come out in public,
but apparently the government it is headed towards

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the point where it's going to confirm
this insane claim by me. One day.

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I hope that's the way I read
it. The way I read it,

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this insane claim will be confirmed by
events one day, because I'm a

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drummer and I have drummer timing,
and I believe in drummer timing, right,

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you know, And so the time
I believe the time is down for

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me to offer this whack ball theory
out there and say, look, I

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think you're all going to join me
here one day, and yeah, I'm

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not. I don't believe in paranormal
I actually believe there is a science explains

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everything. Okay, So I am
not paranormal guy, although I am often

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confused for paranormal guy. Like everybody
puts me in that box and goes,

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ah, man, you're into that
whooh ooh stuff, and I'm like,

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well, I'm actually a scientist.
Yeah, it gets a little a little

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weird than that. Yeah. I
think you may have alluded to this part

407
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:20.639
in when we were just talking,
But there's a part where you say,

408
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:23.960
looking out over the past thirty years
of digging around, learning about little people,

409
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:29.440
giant birds, water monsters, the
people before dog man, et cetera.

410
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:32.800
And you talk about some of those
in detail in the book. But

411
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:37.960
I don't. I may have missed
it, but I don't think you go

412
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:45.039
into dog men. Do you have
any interactions with dog men stories? Yeah?

413
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:51.719
Yeah, no, I here's here's
a dog man's story, which all

414
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:54.079
right, now hear from me.
You'll only hear this one. Right.

415
00:41:55.559 --> 00:42:02.320
So I have the difference about me
today and thirty years ago. There are

416
00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:07.679
many differences. One is I have
a lot of Indian friends, Like I

417
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:12.679
have real good friends that are real
Indians, and I come from New Jersey

418
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:15.920
and when I grew up that was
never the case when I was little.

419
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:20.679
But today I have a lot of
real good friends that are tribal. And

420
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:30.679
a good friend of mine took LSD
and was a Nez person Indian, and

421
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:35.079
he just went out on a mountaintop
and laid down on his back. He

422
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:37.800
just laid down and enjoyed the day. Right. He was just tripping and

423
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:44.199
he just checking out nature. And
he just laid there for like three hours,

424
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:49.800
and a dog man came over and
stood right over him and looked down

425
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:54.719
at him and leaned down really close
to him, and he said, the

426
00:42:54.880 --> 00:43:01.039
nose of the dog man was exactly
like ador retriever. It was just like

427
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:07.000
a golden lab in texture, and
he got like a really good, really

428
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:10.239
good close look at it because it
was like a foot away from him as

429
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:15.920
a dog man was inspecting my tripping
friend who was just like paralyzed on the

430
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:21.639
ground, right, And so he
said, wow, you know that was

431
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:24.679
really weird. Did I really see
that dog man? Or was I tripping?

432
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:30.679
And so he laid there for like
another three or four hours, and

433
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:38.679
the dog man came back and did
the same thing. He didn't hurt him

434
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:43.239
or anything. He just came over
and he just leaned down. He almost

435
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:46.320
touched his nose to his face,
and he's leaned down and sniffed him and

436
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:52.960
h whoa, and then he walked
away again. So, but I always

437
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:57.360
thought it was interesting that he compared
the nose to a golden lab. He

438
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.719
said, man, it was exactly
like a golden lab. It was exactly

439
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:07.119
like a golden lab nose. So
I don't know anyone else that got that

440
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:10.800
close. That's why that's one of
the weirdest dog man stories I've heard.

441
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:15.559
That's pretty cool. I'm going to
throw in another curveball before we talk a

442
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:19.360
little bit more about the book,
just for fun, just because it's a

443
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:23.159
weird Rabbit trail that I've had come
up in different episodes. But in all

444
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:28.440
your time in the Pacific Northwest,
have you ever heard any stories about someone

445
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:36.199
seeing something that looks like a hyaena? Yes? Really, yes, there's

446
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:42.480
I've seen something that looks like a
hyaena. Let me step back for just

447
00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:46.239
a second and say, you know, with cryptids here in the Pacific Northwest,

448
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:53.719
the more you get in, the
more you look, the more stuff

449
00:44:53.760 --> 00:45:00.840
you run into. And there's really
bigfoots the tip of the ice. There's

450
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:07.400
a lot of other weird stuff running
around out here. And yeah, I've

451
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:12.199
seen things that look like hyenas.
We'll be back with more big Foot Society

452
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:25.239
after these words from our sponsors.
I've seen, I don't. I mean,

453
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:31.280
I've seen some weird creatures like something
that looked like a brown telephone pole

454
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:37.800
on four legs that was low to
the ground, like about a foot off

455
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:45.239
the ground, that ran really fast
and and was like about six feet long

456
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:52.440
and was tubular but furry, and
I was like, what the hell was

457
00:45:52.480 --> 00:46:00.719
that? You know? It was
not and an I being a wildlife monitoring

458
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:06.079
professional, I was like, that's
not an animal. I recognize what the

459
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:08.480
hell was that? You know?
And it was strong, and I've seen

460
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:19.760
things that look like Ewoks from Star
Wars really yeah wow, yeah, like

461
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:24.559
huh ea at a distance. But
I've got to say, you know,

462
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:30.039
yeah, no, there's weird stuff. And then I've had friends that have

463
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:40.440
seen lizard men of course, you
know, oh man, Pterodactyls are pretty

464
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:46.480
common and historically common. Many of
the tribes of a name Patchanaho, which

465
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:54.400
means crooked beak or rough looking bird, and when you read the descriptions,

466
00:46:54.440 --> 00:47:00.880
it sounds like a pterodactyl. And
then you see the second floor of the

467
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:06.719
Portland Art Museum has all Native American
art, and there are two sculptures of

468
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:13.400
crooked beak and rough looking bird and
masks of crooked beak, and you start

469
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:21.199
to see that there's all kinds of
just like Bigfoot. There's many, many,

470
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.039
many tribes that talk about crooked be
and rough looking bird. And what

471
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:30.760
they're talking about is this pterodactyl that
still is around. That's what they're talking

472
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:35.480
about. And I know a lot
of people that have seen them, white

473
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:37.639
and red. You know, I
know a lot of people up here who

474
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:44.519
you know, they can't bring themselves
to tell anybody, but they saw a

475
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.159
pterodactyl, you know, And I'm
like, yeah, well, the tribes

476
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:52.280
all say there's a pterodactyls that live
here, you know. The tribes say

477
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:57.559
they still live here, you know. So but yeah, there's water monsters

478
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:01.320
too, of course, right,
I mean these places every well, yeah

479
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:15.199
we see and then yeah, there's
there's really there's witches there, ones that

480
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:20.239
look like people, but they're weird
people, you know, like weird women.

481
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:30.280
You run into weird women in the
once I've got actually, you know,

482
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:34.880
it's there's some weird stuff out here
we near. Okay, So I

483
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.760
forgot to mention you are based out
of the Oregon area. You've been out

484
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:44.880
in Portland area since nineteen seventy four
when you went out there for college.

485
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:49.599
Correct. Correct, So that's kind
of our background about where we are.

486
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:55.599
But have you ever been out to
the near Oregon area endlessly? I mean,

487
00:48:55.679 --> 00:49:00.840
I've lived very close to it for
twenty years. Tell me about the

488
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:06.599
bigfoot scene and they're all weird.
Yeah, oh, I'll tell you all

489
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:10.679
about it. I can tell you
all about it. I watched your recent

490
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:17.199
enerview with the guy, and I
I just said to myself, really,

491
00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:23.639
I'm just glad you asked me,
because I know I know things about that.

492
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:28.719
I just thought that guy's story was
so fascinating, right. I was

493
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:35.159
like, Oh, man, that's
on top of the missed gas caves.

494
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:39.199
No it's not, Yes it is, oh no, Henry, Yes,

495
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:45.280
it's right on top. Oh jeez. Yeah. And so that's where I

496
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:47.599
was looking, right, That's where
I said, hey, there's a big

497
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:52.119
foot base underground here. You were
looking in that same area. And that's

498
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:55.880
when the CIO shut down where his
house was, yeah, and holy where

499
00:49:55.920 --> 00:50:00.119
his house was. When he described
near City Road and he described where he

500
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:04.840
was on Near City wrote, I
was like, I know exactly that property,

501
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:07.960
you know. I was like,
I know exactly where that guy lived.

502
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:09.679
I was like, and then he
said, well, I live down

503
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:13.639
here in the company land, and
I went, oh, I know exactly

504
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:17.280
next to Evenson's holding. I know
the timber baron that owns all the land

505
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:23.519
around him, Evenson, who is
someone I've worked with for twenty years.

506
00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:30.360
I was the Watershed Council coordinator for
the Lower Columbia River Watershed Council, so

507
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:39.760
I was responsible for doing wildlife restoration
for all those people in that area,

508
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:45.440
all across Columbia across county there,
so I really knew that. I went

509
00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:50.079
all through that area as the watershed
guy. Right, I'm the watershed environmental

510
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:55.599
After I retired, State of Oregon
hired me to do salmon stuff for them,

511
00:50:55.679 --> 00:51:05.840
So I really know that area.
But let me continue the power lines

512
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:16.400
where he is talking about when they
built Trojan. See, I've studied that

513
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:22.760
spot for a long time, for
thirty years. I've known bigfoot hangs out

514
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.800
there, a lot of them because
I've known a lot of people. That

515
00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:31.119
guy is like one of thirty people
I know right in that area. And

516
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:37.079
why that is? So you know
the guy or that you've heard? No,

517
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:43.039
I mean I know I know a
lot of other people. Okay,

518
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:46.599
sorry, Yeah, I don't know
him, but I know from his story.

519
00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:52.960
Boy did I know every detail of
his story. I could instantly visualize

520
00:51:53.079 --> 00:52:00.239
because I was familiar with his property. I thought it was funny that he

521
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:06.480
talked about the way they moved,
how they tilted and just moved without and

522
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:10.079
he never talked about whether or not
they left tracks, and he never talked

523
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:16.480
about, you know, whether or
not they made a sound as they moved,

524
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:22.039
And he made inferences that they were
really quiet when they moved, and

525
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.400
I was like, yeah, that's
because they're actually like not even touching the

526
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:30.159
branches, you know. But that
was me thinking that way. I was

527
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:31.760
going, god, you know.
And then he kept going, hey,

528
00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:37.280
it was an animal and animal.
Con it looked like it had Down syndrome

529
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:39.199
like a guy, but it was
an animal and animal. And I kept

530
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:44.679
thinking, yeah, he has a
hard time processing that it's a person with

531
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:50.000
Down syndrome and it looks exactly like
a person with Down syndrome. Yet his

532
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:52.960
rational mind's going, no, it's
an animal. The animal, animal,

533
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:55.079
animal, And I'm like, no, and there's a person. You were

534
00:52:55.159 --> 00:53:00.679
right, it's a person with Down
syndrome, you know. So I thought

535
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:06.880
that was really amazing that he really, like his own eyes, he could

536
00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:09.360
not believe his own eyes that it
was a person. It was an animal,

537
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:12.719
dammit, you know. And his
father was trying to shoot him all

538
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:15.000
the time. And I was thinking, well that no wonder. And then

539
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:22.360
when he talked about the authorities seem
to know about it, and we're like

540
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:27.599
trying to get the bad not you
know, man, I know, you

541
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:34.079
know, here's why when they built
Trojan, there were bigfootprints all around Trojan,

542
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:44.880
what throughout the whole construction process.
Because Bigfoot is attracted to energy sources

543
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:50.719
like a moth is to a flame. From the perspective that they have from

544
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:57.000
where they live, which is not
quite our dimension, things like nuclear reactors

545
00:53:57.079 --> 00:54:01.960
look like light bulbs and like a
they are like, what's going on with

546
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:08.519
that energy source? And so this
is also my opinion, but this is

547
00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:15.119
something that I've had a lot of
experience with, and that is yet,

548
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:22.400
all the nuclear reactors when they get
built have Bigfoot footprints around them, according

549
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:27.880
to what I've been able to infer
because big yess, Bigfoot is attracted to

550
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:32.960
atomic energy. Yes, yes,
believe it or not, I know,

551
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:39.360
it's pretty weird. So that guy
lives right between the Northwest on a straight

552
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:46.920
line. The power line that crossed
his property goes to Trojan Nuclear Plant and

553
00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:53.880
then goes to the Northwest Natural Gas
facility that I was talking about and has

554
00:54:54.000 --> 00:55:00.119
the military guard, and he's talking
about the power line that connects the two.

555
00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:06.599
Okay, that's what he's talking about. So and yeah, if you

556
00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:09.719
want to see him, go on
that power line, right And I'm like

557
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:14.000
laughing to myself, going, well, yeah, you know, because at

558
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:22.760
either end of that power line man, you're gonna you're gonna hit Pader dude,

559
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:28.199
you know. So, yeah,
that's where I got stopped twenty three

560
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:31.400
years ago, was near there,
right, actually at the other end of

561
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:35.760
the power line, the other end
of the power lines where I was trying

562
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:40.079
to get into the gas caves under
there. Well, I was convinced they

563
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:45.000
lived in the gas capes under there, right. So gee, that guy's

564
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:49.480
story kind of confirms my theory in
a way. Okay, you know,

565
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:54.679
don't try to go into the gas
like listeners, don't mess around, right,

566
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:58.320
No, you're not. They won't
let you in there. Man.

567
00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:02.199
No, it really does have an
arm guard and it does really Yeah,

568
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:10.880
no, you you don't do it. Yeah, And it's not military,

569
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:17.679
it's Northwest natural gas. But you
know they might be just defending against terrorists,

570
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:24.199
is probably the ration. Yeah,
probably hardened hardened site for terrorist protection

571
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:29.760
probably or something. Are you'll never
get near it? Yeah? Are there

572
00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:32.639
a lot of sightings over the years
in that area then that you've yes?

573
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:42.880
Yeah, oh wow, yes,
Oh my goodness. I h Columbia County,

574
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:52.079
Vernonia, Oregon. There's well,
pardon me, r near it's right

575
00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:58.840
on the river and if you go
straight back from the river, like the

576
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:02.800
power line does you run it?
Yeah, there's a lot of sightings in

577
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:09.920
that area, I mean less so
today. When Trojan was being built,

578
00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:15.400
there were really a lot. And
see I bought a house from a guy

579
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:21.000
that an engineer that built Trojan.
So I heard stories from the guy I

580
00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:24.880
bought the house from. And then
I knew engineers that worked at Trojan and

581
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:30.880
I heard stories from them too.
So I've been assembling this information for thirty

582
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:36.000
years from different all kinds of Because
I was a local guy, I could

583
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:39.719
talk to all kinds of local contractors
and cops and everybody. I knew everybody

584
00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:45.559
in county for a while. So
you know, although don't bring my name

585
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:51.880
up there today, that's for sure. What a good thing or No,

586
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:59.840
I just had a whole political deal
with sure, yeah, recent political stuff.

587
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:10.199
I was a it was watershed council
coordinator, like I mentioned before,

588
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:21.320
and I saw funds being misused.
Instead of being used for salmon mitigation or

589
00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:28.639
salmon recovery, they were being used
to lobby the legislature to reduce the cutback

590
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:34.920
limits from stream banks. In other
words, opposite of what they should be

591
00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:39.119
used for to save these salmon.
They were being used to increase the logging

592
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:47.679
down to the stream edge. And
so I killed the Watershed Council and went

593
00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:53.199
to the state and made sure it
would never see another dime of public funds

594
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:59.840
ever again. And it died and
I killed it, and so the commissioners

595
00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:04.840
have Columbia County. I am not
their most favorite guy this week, you

596
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:08.760
know, No, I am not
their most favorite guy. But I had

597
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:15.159
to do it because I'm a salmon
science. I'm I've dedicated my whole life

598
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:20.800
to saving the salmon out here.
That's what I've done. And I don't

599
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:27.679
like seeing my life's work, you
know, treated shabbily. So yeah,

600
00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:30.639
I did the right thing. I
did. Well. Yeah, they got

601
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:36.119
me out of retirement and I ended
up it's like their worst hoire ever.

602
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:40.760
You know, that's amazing. I'm
guessing all the info you took from those

603
00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:47.199
engineers was probably lost in two thousand. I yeah, I hate to say

604
00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:52.320
to you modern folks researching Bigfoot.
Yeah, at one point I threw everything

605
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:58.639
away. Well here's what I did. I gave everything I could find to

606
00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:01.159
Autumn Williams Adam Williams, right,
yep, looks upon a time, Once

607
01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:06.880
upon a time, somewhere around two
thousand, we'll be back with more Bigfoot

608
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:17.679
Society after these words from our sponsors. And I gave everything else. I

609
01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:22.639
mean, I just gave everything away. I can't I can't remember who I

610
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:24.320
gave it to, but I gave
it to anyone who wanted it at that

611
01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:29.239
point, you know. And I
just gave everything away. And Cliff Barrickman

612
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:34.800
helped me by giving me one track
cast to start my track cast collection.

613
01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:38.440
Again, what a guy? I
have one cast? What's the caste?

614
01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:45.400
It's a little baby short baby bigfoot. I'm not sure. Actually I should

615
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:51.280
ask him for the problems provenance of
this cast. Yes, yes, really,

616
01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:54.239
yeah, yeah, it's my first
bigfoot artifact. Yeah. Well,

617
01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:58.760
the thing is is that it got
so existential for me, I didn't need

618
01:00:58.800 --> 01:01:04.840
the data anymore, know honestly,
That's also what happened is I found an

619
01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:13.760
answer that did not require this data. The data I need is funding to

620
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:19.400
create a high frequency gravity detector.
That's what I need, and then I'll

621
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:24.800
find you your bigfoot. And actually, yeah, you know. That's another

622
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:37.320
thing is that I may make some
demonstrations of this technology to actually persuade some

623
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:42.960
of the people that think I'm totally
out of my mind. But we'll see

624
01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:45.320
if I do that or not.
I've been thinking I've been toying with the

625
01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:52.719
idea because I can kind of prove
it well rather than finding evidence. What

626
01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:59.559
I do in my book is I
take the existing framework of science of physics

627
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:06.119
Einstein's equation, and I show my
work, and I show each step and

628
01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:12.760
I show how to evolve it to
a whole new physics that explains Bigfoot and

629
01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:16.440
that I believe Bigfoot uses. And
then we get into the weird stuff like

630
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:21.320
maybe we learned it from Bigfoot or
I don't know, you know, I

631
01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:30.800
mean, we've been working together with
Bigfoot. Because the path I took took

632
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:35.960
me here, this is where I
wound up. I'm I feel like I'm

633
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:40.159
like everyone else. And I started
out looking at the Patterson film and going

634
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:46.360
it's a hoax, just like everyone, and I wound up here thirty years

635
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:52.360
later, and I'm afraid you will
too, because the more time you spend

636
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:55.599
at this, the weirder it gets. Dude. It's like in your first

637
01:02:55.679 --> 01:03:00.199
book, it's like you gotta be
careful going down the path to siak Go

638
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:04.679
because it's like gets so weird.
You go too far down, man,

639
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:07.559
you can't get back out. It's
so weird. Ia comes after you,

640
01:03:07.559 --> 01:03:12.559
you know. Well, no,
they're just you see, I don't think

641
01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:15.280
they're calling the shots. I think
it's Bigfoot that's calling the shots, right,

642
01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:20.199
That's who I think. Who's in
charge? Wow? Who really has

643
01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:27.679
power in this place we live?
I don't know who really has power on

644
01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:31.119
this level of things. I mean, we know, you know elon and

645
01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:36.639
money and this and that, But
I'm talking about real power. Power to

646
01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:40.719
create black holes with your mind,
and power to shape ship, perhaps alter

647
01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:47.440
reality itself with your mind, this
kind of power. Who has that kind

648
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:54.400
of power? And I think we
may actually be now. I think the

649
01:03:54.519 --> 01:04:00.400
US government may not be in charge
of keeping these secrets. Bigfoot might be

650
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:04.079
telling him to shut up and keep
these secrets, you know, and now

651
01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:10.519
they're telling them it's okay you can
talk now. I think our government maybe

652
01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:15.079
getting this message, not just me. Is what I think is that,

653
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:18.000
you know, I got the message
to shut up and come back. And

654
01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:24.159
that's the other thing I should say
about twenty three years ago, in my

655
01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:31.599
experience, is that when the government
stopped me, it seemed Bigfoot was in

656
01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:41.559
on it because they provide me with
experiences that confirmed that they sort of knew

657
01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:44.920
what was going on, you know, Like in other words, in my

658
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:53.599
bigfoot life, I've had experiences with
people and then with big feet that confirm

659
01:04:53.719 --> 01:05:00.360
each other, like there's obvious communication
going on between those two parties, these

660
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:06.320
people and these big feet, and
they obviously have a plan together. I

661
01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:10.960
don't think other people run into that. I don't, you know, I

662
01:05:10.960 --> 01:05:15.719
don't. Can you provide an example? I found that that's pretty interesting.

663
01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:18.719
Can you provide like an example of
what you mean by that? How?

664
01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:29.360
That's yeah? Okay, So let
me let me think of a specific thing.

665
01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:45.880
So I'm talking to this government guy
one day and the guy in my

666
01:05:45.960 --> 01:05:49.440
book who I worked with for ten
years, who had the falling out with

667
01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:59.079
when things got super weird, and
he told me a whole bunch of stuff

668
01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:00.920
about Bigfoot. One thing he told
me was that, well, if you

669
01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:03.400
want to talk to him, just
go out in your backyard and talk to

670
01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:14.639
him in your backyard. And I
was like, what huh? And over

671
01:06:14.719 --> 01:06:16.960
time I realized he did just walk
out in his backyard and talk to him,

672
01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:19.880
and he was friends with them,
and I was like, oh my

673
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:23.920
god, he's friends with them and
just walks out in his backyard and talks

674
01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:26.599
to them and they come and talk
to him. And he lives in the

675
01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:30.599
middle of the city of Portland.
So I was like, holy shit,

676
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:36.559
what's going on with Bigfoot? And
so he told me, he said,

677
01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:42.880
well, the thing about them is
they have they all communicate to each other

678
01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:46.360
all the time. So if you
talk to one, you've talked to all

679
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:50.119
of them. And I said really, He said yeah, it's like the

680
01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:54.159
borg. If you talk to one, you talk to all of them.

681
01:06:54.280 --> 01:07:02.519
I said, oh, okay,
that's weird. And so then I was

682
01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:12.840
east Investikata in the Cascade Mountains about
a month later. Can I'm riding in

683
01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:23.960
a van and the windows are closed
and my wife is in the passenger seat,

684
01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:28.480
and we're riding along and we both
hear. I hear in my right

685
01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:32.679
ear and she hears in her left
ear, like somebody going hey, you

686
01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:36.280
know, And we both just turn
instantly and look at each other and go

687
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:41.639
what because we both think the other
one went in their ear. Then we

688
01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:45.079
realize that it's an invisible Bigfoot in
between us that did this to both of

689
01:07:45.159 --> 01:07:50.119
us. Wow. And we're inside
a van, right, and so I'm

690
01:07:50.159 --> 01:07:55.440
like, okay, really funny.
Okay. So it freaks out and everything,

691
01:07:55.480 --> 01:07:58.920
and I'm like, okay, that
was really weird. Okay. Fine.

692
01:07:59.320 --> 01:08:10.159
So then a month later, I'm
in the Coast range up the Nehalem

693
01:08:10.239 --> 01:08:15.599
River, a whole different place,
about one hundred and fifty miles away,

694
01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:24.520
and I'm not in a van.
I'm sitting there with my wife, and

695
01:08:25.279 --> 01:08:29.319
almost the same thing happens again.
Same thing happens, except for sitting there.

696
01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:40.880
And then I go whoa, and
I hear somebody laughing, and I

697
01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:46.119
go whoa. It's like the laughing
guy again, and I'm like, I

698
01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:55.920
really get the feeling that this was
that, even though nothing verbal was said,

699
01:08:56.399 --> 01:09:01.840
I get the feeling that this was
them confirming that what my friend said,

700
01:09:02.600 --> 01:09:09.000
Like it just all happened within two
months. My friend said, you

701
01:09:09.079 --> 01:09:12.920
talk to one, you talk to
them all. And then in this mountain

702
01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:15.880
range, this guy comes up between
me and my wife goes. And then

703
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:19.439
over here in this mountain range,
this guy comes up between me and goes

704
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:28.039
and then laughs. And I took
it all in and said, Okay,

705
01:09:29.239 --> 01:09:33.920
they're all in on it together.
That was my assumption. That may not

706
01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:38.560
be true. That's with the way
I read the tea leaves. At that

707
01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:42.319
point, I was like, you
know, that's a weird thing. Now.

708
01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:46.439
A lot of that is my intuition
and a lot of that is my

709
01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:55.680
feelings, because I had nothing more
concrete to go on the whole thing being

710
01:09:56.880 --> 01:10:05.439
telepathandic in the first place. Now, other things, there were just so

711
01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:14.600
many things. Actually, I'm just
trying to think. You know. The

712
01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:23.319
physics was really where it would happen
where my friend and I would be into

713
01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:29.399
a big physics discussion about what the
physics in my book, and we would

714
01:10:29.439 --> 01:10:39.399
be talking about gravity, and we
would start talking about how he said,

715
01:10:39.439 --> 01:10:42.439
well, you know, first it
was small and then it was big,

716
01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:47.560
and I was like, oh yeah, because I realized when you modify Einstein's

717
01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:53.439
equation, that's what happens is gravity, this tiny little thing becomes this really

718
01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:59.800
really big thing. And I was
like, wow, yeah, that's cool

719
01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:04.640
how that happens. And then I
went camping, like I was on one

720
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:11.479
of my many, many many times
where I'm out in the woods doing salmon

721
01:11:11.720 --> 01:11:16.000
fish counting and stuff and building salmon
detectors, which was my job, and

722
01:11:18.479 --> 01:11:34.880
I get like a confirming event where
suddenly I hear a four inch thick log

723
01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:42.840
breaking right next to me, and
it sounds like a big crack, not

724
01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:47.479
like a log hitting a tree,
but like somebody snapping a four inch log

725
01:11:47.760 --> 01:11:55.880
in half. And I realized that
it's an electrical snap. It's a really

726
01:11:56.079 --> 01:12:00.520
really loud electrical snap. And I'm
out in the middle of the woods in

727
01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:06.439
Idaho, you know, like,
and it's like yeah, and I'm like

728
01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:12.039
whoa. And I smell the ozone
and I'm like whoa. You know,

729
01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:17.279
what the hell was that? And
then I think about my friend's discussion about

730
01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:23.279
how you flip the field equation around
and the grand woman he comes from being

731
01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:28.439
small to big, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, like that,

732
01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:38.279
like and it was just there were
always things like this, like it was

733
01:12:38.319 --> 01:12:44.319
a curriculum, and my friend would
say things and then like weird shit would

734
01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:53.560
happen, or I'd see a well
another perfect example one two. I see

735
01:12:53.600 --> 01:12:59.760
the UFO come out of the ground
in front of me one day and I

736
01:12:59.840 --> 01:13:03.600
just describe it to my friend and
he says, you know, they're magnetic.

737
01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:05.920
I said, what do you mean. He says, if you have

738
01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:11.279
a compass, it'll track them and
it'll follow it. So if you see

739
01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:15.760
another UFO. Pull out your compass
and it'll track the UFO And I said

740
01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:20.079
really, he said yeah yeah.
And so the next time I saw a

741
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:24.319
UFO, and there were many times
after that I saw a UFO, I

742
01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:28.640
pulled out a compass and it tracked
the UFO and I said, wow,

743
01:13:29.079 --> 01:13:35.760
they're magnetic. Who knew? So
I knew my friend knew something because that

744
01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:40.159
wasn't something I found on the internet. You know, that's not something I've

745
01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:43.439
ever found in any of the UFO
anythings. You know, I've never heard

746
01:13:43.479 --> 01:13:45.560
that either. Nobody ever said that, right, And my friend showed that

747
01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:48.640
to me, like, hey,
well, you know, next time you

748
01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:51.960
see one, pull out a compass. And I'm like, oh, well,

749
01:13:53.079 --> 01:14:00.359
you know that's weird. And then
my friend also warned me from certain

750
01:14:00.399 --> 01:14:04.640
areas. He said, don't go
near Lolo Pass and I said, okay.

751
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:09.560
He said yeah, the ones around
Lolo Pass are not friendly. So

752
01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:18.640
I speaking of what Indians spoke.
Indians have told me many places to go

753
01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:25.680
where there are friendly ones, and
I have only received one or two warnings

754
01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:30.199
of where not to go because there
are unfriendly ones. I have not gone

755
01:14:30.199 --> 01:14:34.239
to any of these places, but
I have a bucket list in my head

756
01:14:34.279 --> 01:14:39.399
of Okay, I'm going to go
to these friendly ones eventually, I think,

757
01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:43.920
but I need a reason, you
know. That's the other thing is

758
01:14:44.880 --> 01:14:50.119
Bigfoot seems to operate by necessity,
and they do what's necessary, and so

759
01:14:50.479 --> 01:14:56.880
they don't seem to do things that
are unnecessary from whatever their perspective is.

760
01:14:57.000 --> 01:15:03.760
That is. And so it's like
part of why I think I had a

761
01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:11.279
lot of interaction with them is I
wanted their help to save the salmon,

762
01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:17.159
and I wondered how we could collaborate
or work, you know, towards similar

763
01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:20.640
goals and saving the salmon and the
Columbia River because that was my life goal.

764
01:15:21.359 --> 01:15:26.199
We'll be back with more Bigfoot society
after these words from our sponsors,

765
01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:33.359
right, And so I always thought
of Bigfoot as a conservationist, as a

766
01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:39.479
true conservationist, and I aspired to
be a true conservationist. And I think

767
01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:45.359
that maybe that's why I had a
thirty year relationship with Bigfoot, because I'm

768
01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:48.920
not wrong about that. And I
don't think I'm wrong about them being the

769
01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:55.920
brains either. And I think that
one of our roles as people is to

770
01:15:56.039 --> 01:16:00.960
actually be the caretakers of all the
other species of plants and animals and living

771
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:05.079
things here. I think that's what
Bigfoot would like to see us do.

772
01:16:05.319 --> 01:16:10.439
But free will being free will,
I think it's up to us, right,

773
01:16:10.760 --> 01:16:14.079
so oh sure, yeah, you
know, I'm kind of opposite of

774
01:16:14.119 --> 01:16:16.479
everybody else who goes, wow,
you know, we got to save the

775
01:16:16.680 --> 01:16:23.560
environment for Bigfoot. I'm like,
you're living in Bigfoot's lab. You are

776
01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:30.880
already in the lab understudy. You
are, they are studying you. Wow,

777
01:16:31.600 --> 01:16:40.239
You're the You're the subject buddy.
You know, so that's really quite

778
01:16:40.239 --> 01:16:45.039
at odds with the rest of the
Bigfoot community. I think, oh,

779
01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:51.720
absolutely, it's odds. Yeah.
Oh well, you know, well,

780
01:16:51.800 --> 01:16:57.199
I mean you need you need variety
for a little spices you. Somebody's got

781
01:16:57.199 --> 01:17:01.800
to say something different in the Bigfoot
community. Last question, because I'm sure,

782
01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:08.239
like again, I feel like I'm
tuned into my listeners after five years

783
01:17:08.239 --> 01:17:12.479
that I can almost sense the guys
that are asking me this right now?

784
01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:17.319
Can you share the places where like
the friendly ones are or the places where

785
01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:20.600
it's like don't go or is that
a thing where like if you can't,

786
01:17:20.640 --> 01:17:25.800
that's fine too, But yeah,
I can't most of them. Okay,

787
01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:30.720
but lo, lo pass I'll tell
you Lolo Pass, which is the one

788
01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:36.479
that is on the border of Montana
and Idaho Highway twelve. Okay, that's

789
01:17:36.520 --> 01:17:41.399
the one I was warned to stay
away from. I will definitely tell you

790
01:17:41.479 --> 01:17:46.960
that that there were a bunch up
there and stay away from them. That

791
01:17:48.560 --> 01:17:59.119
isn't probably a place you guys even
would look for by the the I'm trying

792
01:17:59.159 --> 01:18:06.960
to think of what else that I
could tell you. The thing about fundamental

793
01:18:06.960 --> 01:18:14.680
thing you got to understand is they
live outside this geometry of space time most

794
01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:23.520
of the time. They're invisible most
of the time, and location is irrelevant.

795
01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:28.840
They really it doesn't matter. You
all think they live in the woods.

796
01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:32.640
No, they live wherever and go
wherever, and maybe spend a lot

797
01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:38.560
of time underground. I think they've
got a lot of villages, bases,

798
01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:44.239
something, They've got something going on
underground. There's a lot of underground stuff

799
01:18:44.359 --> 01:18:47.800
here in Washington where I live now, there's a lot of underground Bigfoot stuff

800
01:18:47.800 --> 01:18:56.840
for sure. But yeah, the
thing is is that, no, I

801
01:18:56.960 --> 01:19:01.800
can't you know, That's part of
what I have two where I have to

802
01:19:01.880 --> 01:19:09.640
draw the line where I can't actually
tell everybody the cool places because absolutely I

803
01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:15.920
know that you know, I know
it'll happen. And also most of these

804
01:19:15.960 --> 01:19:23.000
places you can't get to because like
a bunch of them are on the western

805
01:19:23.039 --> 01:19:27.279
closed portion of the Yakima Reservation.
Oh yeah, got it, people aren't

806
01:19:27.279 --> 01:19:31.560
allowed, and you know all the
forbidden zones as well. But no,

807
01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:49.279
there's there's there's really a lot in
that. In thirty years when I started,

808
01:19:49.479 --> 01:19:53.800
I used to think here in Oregon
and Washington, I knew of like

809
01:19:53.880 --> 01:20:02.119
maybe five. Now I know of
maybe fifty. Wow, And so there's

810
01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:06.199
really a lot, and I'm learning. I'm still finding new ones all the

811
01:20:06.279 --> 01:20:17.520
time. And I have like my
methods for looking, which have to do

812
01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:23.920
with look for magnetic anomalies. I
mean, there's a place near here where

813
01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:32.399
a compass deviates by three degrees and
it's actually on the chart. And I'm

814
01:20:32.439 --> 01:20:40.840
convinced that those kind of places are
like homes of big feet. And there's

815
01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:46.000
magnetic anomalies all throughout the mountains you
can find if you go looking, and

816
01:20:46.039 --> 01:20:55.920
there's a tendency. I mean,
this is getting weird. But so when

817
01:20:55.960 --> 01:20:59.039
I looked at all the data,
when I looked at all the data like

818
01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:04.920
a computer geek, and looked for
patterns in the data which I spent way

819
01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:15.800
too much time trying to do.
I found that the continental divide of every

820
01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:25.399
continent is a place where there's a
lot of sighting reports throughout history, and

821
01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:31.600
the coastline is also a place where
there's sighting reports throughout history. So when

822
01:21:31.640 --> 01:21:38.199
I gathered like eight thousand all the
sighting reports I could ever gather, and

823
01:21:38.279 --> 01:21:45.560
I put them on a map of
a North America, it drew basically a

824
01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:50.960
really good outline of North America,
like the entire coastline was where many of

825
01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:57.439
the siding reports were, and then
the continental divide. All along the continental

826
01:21:57.479 --> 01:22:01.920
divide, and as you go north
there are more setting reports. So sitting

827
01:22:01.960 --> 01:22:10.479
reports begin to be of a high
frequency at forty five degrees latitude and north,

828
01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:15.640
and the more north you go,
the more there are. And you

829
01:22:15.680 --> 01:22:18.920
can't look at the sighting reports.
You have to look at something I call

830
01:22:19.119 --> 01:22:28.239
normalized siting report frequency, meaning that
everybody looks at how many sighting reports there

831
01:22:28.279 --> 01:22:30.880
are and they think, hey,
you know there's more here, that's where

832
01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:38.920
they're more bigfoot. No. The
formula you got to remember is the number

833
01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:45.600
of people per square mile times the
number of creatures per square mile equals the

834
01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:50.399
probability of seeing the creature. And
so this means that if they're more people,

835
01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:57.840
there's more probability of a sighting report. If there's more animals, there's

836
01:22:57.880 --> 01:23:03.479
more probability of a sighting report.
But if you factor all the sighting reports

837
01:23:03.479 --> 01:23:11.840
of animals and you divide it by
the population density of human observers, you

838
01:23:11.920 --> 01:23:16.039
get a normalized siting report frequency that
factors in how many people are there,

839
01:23:16.760 --> 01:23:21.880
and so you get a modified siting
report frequency. And when you look at

840
01:23:21.920 --> 01:23:30.000
that number, that's when you see
the northward shift and when you see the

841
01:23:30.039 --> 01:23:33.520
coalescing of all the sighting reports around
the Continental Divide. But if you think

842
01:23:33.560 --> 01:23:40.159
about it, the Yawi is seen
mostly in the Blue Mountains of Australia.

843
01:23:40.760 --> 01:23:46.720
The Yeti is seen mostly in the
Himalaya. Also the Continental Divide. Ten

844
01:23:46.840 --> 01:23:53.720
Shan Mountains are also the can Divide, the Amnesty and the Pemire. Also

845
01:23:53.760 --> 01:24:00.880
the Continental Divide, the Urals Caucasus
also the Continental Divide. The entire chain

846
01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:06.800
of Continental Divide mountains is where all
the different big feet creatures are most often

847
01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:12.960
seen worldwide. And you start to
see that pattern when you look at all

848
01:24:13.039 --> 01:24:16.000
the things endlessly and then when you
look at it closer, you start to

849
01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:21.359
see that the more north you go
above forty five degrees latitude, the more

850
01:24:21.399 --> 01:24:28.720
there are. And really it seems
that if we were way up north,

851
01:24:30.039 --> 01:24:34.319
like, it looks like probably there's
way more big Feet in Alaska and the

852
01:24:34.439 --> 01:24:41.079
tundra and the Northwest territories than there
are down here. They're just start enough

853
01:24:41.079 --> 01:24:45.520
people to sam right exactly, That's
what it looks like to me when you

854
01:24:45.560 --> 01:24:53.560
look at the normalized sighting frequency.
Right. So this means that studying the

855
01:24:53.760 --> 01:25:08.000
tribes that live on the Continental Divide
yields them most Bigfoot stories and the most

856
01:25:08.600 --> 01:25:15.079
locations of contacting Bigfoot. But like
I said, after a while, you

857
01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:23.479
realize that it's all in your head. You Like, I now know there

858
01:25:23.520 --> 01:25:27.239
are people that just can go out
in their backyard and talk to them,

859
01:25:27.279 --> 01:25:34.520
and I know tribal people that have
the relationships, and like, I know

860
01:25:34.640 --> 01:25:38.640
these people exist. I'm not one
of them, but now I know they

861
01:25:38.720 --> 01:25:41.199
exist, And I'm like, wow, you know there really are people that

862
01:25:41.239 --> 01:25:45.520
are friends at Bigfoot, you know, really boy, And they're not talking

863
01:25:45.520 --> 01:25:53.600
to us, right yeah, you
know, like we're we're out, We're

864
01:25:53.600 --> 01:25:55.880
out of the loop. Man,
We're like we're not in on it.

865
01:25:55.960 --> 01:26:01.920
But there really are these people and
they don't they're not in the public eye.

866
01:26:03.079 --> 01:26:09.000
Most of them are military and tribal, and military is where I've run

867
01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:15.159
into people that there's no way more
than me. You know. They're military

868
01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:18.840
that have the ability to go into
their backyards and talk to big yes really

869
01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:27.880
yes wow us military wow yes,
yes, yeah, yeah, Henry.

870
01:26:28.279 --> 01:26:31.159
That's where I'm like, well,
that's where I'm like, are you serious

871
01:26:31.199 --> 01:26:34.520
looking for evidence? You guys?
I mean who you're going to convince?

872
01:26:34.920 --> 01:26:41.760
I mean that, And I realized
it's because nobody like me has ever even

873
01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:45.479
said what I'm saying right now,
like, oh yeah, the government knows,

874
01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:48.399
screw it, you guys, come
on, you know, everybody's like,

875
01:26:49.439 --> 01:26:54.079
well, I don't know. I've
been a part of the community before,

876
01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:59.720
and I know what I'm saying is
provocative and will you know, I'm

877
01:26:59.720 --> 01:27:03.439
ready though I'm thick skin these days. So but I mean, I know

878
01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:10.319
I'm stirring up the hornets nest by
if anyone cares beyond thinking I'm just totally

879
01:27:10.359 --> 01:27:15.159
insane, and I know how hard
it is to believe. But I also

880
01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:25.439
think that events will unfold the way
I read all this UFOs disclosure stuff and

881
01:27:25.479 --> 01:27:31.000
everything is you'll all come and join
me, I hope in my lifetime.

882
01:27:32.039 --> 01:27:39.520
Absolutely. Oh, Henry, it's
sounds super fun chatting with you. I

883
01:27:39.600 --> 01:27:43.039
just want to point out again,
I'll have the link in the show notes.

884
01:27:43.079 --> 01:27:46.880
But feeling in a cooler way,
why I never found Bigfoot Henry's new

885
01:27:46.920 --> 01:27:49.880
book, I'm going to have the
previous your previous book linked as well,

886
01:27:49.880 --> 01:27:56.520
because I think that's a fabulous read
to an incredible resource of all the places

887
01:27:56.560 --> 01:28:00.680
mentioned in the US that have to
do with sasquatch and other things. It's

888
01:28:01.079 --> 01:28:05.199
yeah, really, yeah, they
don't cover the same material, that's for

889
01:28:05.279 --> 01:28:10.720
sure. Yeah, totally different reads, but both great reads. But anything

890
01:28:10.760 --> 01:28:14.720
else, Henry, that you'd want
listeners to know about, how to keep

891
01:28:14.800 --> 01:28:17.359
up to date with, you know, stuff you may put out and things

892
01:28:17.439 --> 01:28:24.840
of that nature. No, I
mean, I've got a website but which

893
01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:30.159
you'll see the link to. But
I'm going to present at the Yakima Bigfoot

894
01:28:30.199 --> 01:28:35.279
Con on October twenty eighth. Oh
man, So I'm actually going to do

895
01:28:36.279 --> 01:28:46.560
my first public thing back well,
you know, back here in Western civilization.

896
01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:51.359
Yes, I'm back in Western civilization
and I'm doing the first one in

897
01:28:51.560 --> 01:28:56.560
twenty I guess I did one in
two thousand and eight. Somebody pointed out

898
01:28:56.600 --> 01:29:00.640
that I I first was like,
I haven't done anything in twenty two years,

899
01:29:00.640 --> 01:29:02.479
and they're like, no, I
saw you in blah blah blah,

900
01:29:02.760 --> 01:29:08.439
it's more like fifteen. So yeah, fifteen. But it's been fifteen years

901
01:29:08.560 --> 01:29:15.680
and I am now re engaging with
all of the bigfoot people of the world

902
01:29:15.720 --> 01:29:19.319
that love bigfoot, you know,
or pursuing bigfoot, whatever your thing is.

903
01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:28.319
I'm dying to talk bigfoot again.
Absolutely, we're glad to chat it

904
01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:31.800
with you again. But thanks so
much for hanging out, Henry till the

905
01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:36.079
next time having me. Thank you
very much. You're at Bigfoot Society.

906
01:29:36.119 --> 01:29:42.640
Our goal is to provide a platform
for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share

907
01:29:42.680 --> 01:29:46.520
their encounter in a safe and respected
environment. But we need to hear your

908
01:29:46.600 --> 01:29:53.039
story. If you've experienced something that
you just can't explain, please send me

909
01:29:53.079 --> 01:29:58.920
an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail
dot com. Then we can start the

910
01:29:58.960 --> 01:30:03.600
conversation. I know a lot of
you have not shared your encounter at all.

911
01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:09.439
It's been twenty years and it's time
that you get this off your chest

912
01:30:10.239 --> 01:30:13.399
and then you can get some well
deserved rest, because I know you haven't

913
01:30:13.399 --> 01:30:17.399
been sleeping. I understand what you're
going through, and I appreciate every one

914
01:30:17.439 --> 01:30:18.119
of you listening