Oct. 1, 2025

The Cobble Mountain Critter! | Massachusetts

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Season 1

What happens when two lifelong outdoorsmen follow a braided Adirondack stream to a beaver dam—hook a bass—and the forest erupts? In this high-intensity episode, Tim and Eric Vogel revisit a harrowing 2013 encounter: two trees shaking like snow globes, a nonstop roar that thumped their chests, and the chilling realization they’d crashed a Sasquatch fishing operation. We also dive into a class-A moment at Balance Rock in Savoy State Forest in Massachusetts—an eight-to-nine-foot figure, a 17.5-inch track, and a warning roar that followed the team back in—plus a daytime “white Bigfoot” sighting along Cobble Mountain Reservoir, and a remote Connecticut ridge where a siren-like scream lit up the night before a rock crashed through the canopy. If you’ve ever wondered what happens when Bigfoot doesn’t want you there…this one’s for you.

Resources:

https://www.facebook.com/thevogelbrothers
Cobble Mountain Critter Project on Facebook -
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61559204812849
Cobble Mountain Critter Festival on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/p/The-Cobble-Mountain-Critter-Festival-61563987231526/

STM documentary on Savoy State Forest -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoUFW4Crkko

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You're listening to bigflet Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us.

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I Big for Society. You've got the privilege of talking

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to the Vogel Brothers today. We've got Tim and Eric here.

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I'm gonna do just a little intro for them here.

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They're kind enough to provide some infos, so you know

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the Vogel Brothers. I've been researching Bigfoot encounters, experiences, and

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reports since twenty fifteen. They've done investigations and expeditions for

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things like the BFROO and squatchets Husetts. They currently run

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the Cobble and Critter Project, and they also provide the

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Let's Talk Bigfoot Talk presentations. As a fundraiser for youth

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outdoor education, which is really cool. Well, welcome to the show.

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Guys.

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How's it going today.

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I'm doing well, doing well. I'm glad to be here.

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Beautiful day.

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Awesome, awesome, And just for the just for the listener's sake,

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do you mind introducing yourselves separately so they can get

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to know your voices before we start chatting.

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Yeah, I'm Tim, I'm Eric. All right. You know, we

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got into this, I don't know. We we We've been

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out in the outdoors all of our life, so that's

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you know, that's what kept us involved. So part of

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our thing is is hanging, is being in the woods,

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and we grew up that way, so that just kept

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us involved.

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That's a little bit about I love it. And guys,

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what was it that first got you into the big

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foot subject out there in Massachusetts?

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Yeah, well, we were teenagers and back in the seventies,

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seventy six actually, and we went to see the movie

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Sasquatched the Bigfoot and it was in Agua. It was

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over in the next town away from us, and it

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was it was in December or November, it was, and

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the November December is in the middle of the winter. Yeah,

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you're shoveling or snow. Yes. Anyways, this thing here was

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out in Agua at the Twin Cinemas and we hiked

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if you know the area we walked and color a hike.

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It was from west Side to Agua Mile and it

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was sasquatched the legend of Bigfoot, and it was back

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in seventy six. And that's how we got introduced to it.

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You know, it was something new to us in the

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Boy Scouts, like Eric was saying, and grew up in

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the woods and this thing was new to us, so

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it was kind of weird. It was different. And you know,

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you grew up thinking one way and you heard all

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the you know, animals and you heard about them all

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and all of a sudden they throw this thing out

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there and say what you know, come see this, and

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you know it was bigfoot. What the heck is a bigfoot?

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You know? So we did went were checked it out

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and that was kind of how we got into It

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was always a West coast thing was never here. Yeah,

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so that was absolutely wild to us. It turned into

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a you know, a bigger deal than just going to

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the movies. That ended up being you know, a few

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weeks later there was tracks in our backyard and throughout

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the town in West Springfield and into Aguam up the

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Westield River railroad tracks and whatnot. And the tracks themselves

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went for probably a few miles, you know, crossing the

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river on ice up the railroad tracks into our back

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which is an apple orchard in a book, goes back

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to the Westfield River on near Midnight Park. And we

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could go as far as the park that or the river,

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as far as the road was here. Yeah, we were

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just young and once dad said that was it, that

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was it. So you're just following the tracks. But the

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tracks were out there, and that that's what kept us.

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That's what kept us interest. And then the media got

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involved and the police got involved, and it became a

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hole to do because all of a sudden, you know,

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we've got these ginormous tracks in our yard and it

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became a news media show. It was interesting. You can

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actually look it up. Yeah, it's in one of you know,

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the nineteen seventy six A Bigfoot. Yeah it's out there,

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and it's it's out there.

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It's interesting because you guys just came up just a

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few days ago on the show. There is an individual

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that had a sighting in two thousand and eight and Agam,

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which is kind of the same area, right, And they

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brought up you which that situation you just refer or to,

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which I believe was in Robinson State Park, correct. I

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think I found the newspaper for that.

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Yeah, right, Yeah, it was almost that's it. We're on

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the opposite side of the river of Rabbitson State Park,

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on the other side of the dam. So it literally

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came up the railroad tracks, walked through our backyard, and

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then it went down the river and back across into

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Robinson State Park. So yeah, that that guy's got that story, right.

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Yeah, that's really interesting. How how what were the size

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of these tracks do you remember?

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Geez? I want to say twenty inches between I think

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I was twenty hands. I ago seventeen to twenty inches.

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And there was there was a lot of snow. It's

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deep snow too. Yeah, it had just snow, so the

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snow was soft and it was deep. Yeah, this guy

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had to work out. I mean, it was a if

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you're a snowshooter and you did the walk that he did,

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it was a heck of a hike. It was a

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heck of a hike. That was incredible. Absolutely did ended

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up turning to be a hoax. It turned out to

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be one of the local Yeah, yeah, that's what you'll

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you'll you'll read at one of the locals ended up

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seeing the same movie that we did, and he wanted

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to freak out the kids in the neighborhood. So he

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cut himself out some ywood shoes and off he went.

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And of course this was a new phenomena here and

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and the people just went for it. And literally the

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once he got out of hand, he didn't know what

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to do, so he didn't say anything. Yeah he was

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sixteen of this year, you know when he did it. Anyways,

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that that was. That was so we got started. But

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it was cool because they were all camped out in

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our backyard. They had, you know, at that time bigfoot

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investigators in our backyard camped out looking for bigfoot. So,

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you know, we never thought it would go to this

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or we're sitting here talking to you about it, but

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you know clear where it is. You know. Yeah, that

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was pretty wild for an experience, and you know, a

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teenager really sparks the imagination, you know, Yeah, especially when

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you've been out in the woods, you know, three years

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and this thing doesn't exist in New England, at least

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you don't think it does. And then twenty thirteen rolls around. Yeah,

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that's when that's when, really you know that, that's when

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things really took off. It really sparked. Our interest was

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twenty thirteen. Yeah, we had a business come to Cob

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Mountain Outdoors, and we had that for nearly twenty years,

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and we did it as a guiding business, and we

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were certified in New York State guides. We were guiding them.

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We were certified and everything we used to do, professional development,

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first aid certifications, you know, rock climbing, blah blah blah,

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we did all. And we spent a lot of time

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in New York paddeling and portaging up in the Saint

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Regi's Wilderness and whole ninety yards, yeah, all up through there,

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and it was a great area. And so in twenty thirteen,

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Erica and I decided we're you know, we were on

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our trips and you know, one of our weeks there

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and we had a scout group or something that we

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were you know, touring up to there, and we decided

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we were going to go on vacation in that same

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area and we did so we went out September. Late September,

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so the schools were in there, all the schools went

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went back, everybody was off at leisuting schools were back

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in session and it was empty. We knew it was

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going to be. The atronics would be empty. Everybody would

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be gone back at work, so you'd have it would

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be nice, quiet and calm, you know, everything would start

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to come back to it. Nature's normal, I would say.

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And we decided that's when we were going. So we

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packed up and off we went. We got out to

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Long Lake and we parked car, took all the stuff

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and took off and we started paddling. We've got to

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the far end of Long Pond and there was a

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campsite off to the left, and we decided, well that's

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you know, the was big enough for us. Everything else

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was kind of taken at the time. Yeah, we were

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headed to another pond, but right was in the middle,

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so we stayed there. Yeah, it was off the looked

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it was a nice spot for us. So we set

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up camp and kind of straightened it up because at

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first it was a little trashed. It was trashed, you know,

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with trees and limbs, and so we kind of moved

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all of that out of the way. We never thought

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anything of it. Eric and I worked at Ridge Runners

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on the Appalachian Trail years ago, and when we used

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to brush in trails, you'd throw a bunch of debris

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and dead sticks and logs and stuff in it to

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camouflage trail or encourage people to stay out. That's exactly

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what this camp site looked like. It was crack yea

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with spruce tops and limbs and stuff like that. It

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was loaded with it, and it was like in the

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ad around it that is very highly unusual. There are

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very well camp sites. They're marked, they're monitored, there's rangers

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out there, they don't play out there. They'll throw you

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out if you got to many people in the group.

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So it was one of those sites where it's like,

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what the heck is this, But it was one of

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those sites we wanted to stay at, so we put

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the effort in to clean it up. So but anyways,

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that's where we that's where we were, and so we

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were after we made the site, we were going to

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go fishing and we were going to go catch dinner.

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Actually it was at this point it was a dinner

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and we're looking for dinner. So we get out there

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and we don't take anything with us. I don't have

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a cell phone. Eric doesn't have a cell phone. We

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didn't have cell phone. If anything, we would have had

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a digital camera, you know, one of those trollways you know. Yeah,

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it was croup. Yeah, we didn't have nothing was with

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us half the time. It didn't work anyway. And besides that,

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we were going out for dinner. So we took a

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fly box with some movie buggers and a five way

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fly rod, and off we went. And it ended up

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being like a fishing story. It was catching fishing. It

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if you were a fisherman, it was one of the best.

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So he was catching one of the best days of

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fishing I ever had. Every cast was a bass, or

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every third cast was a bass, and they were almost

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five pounds on a fly run. I felt like I

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just told him to keep paddling. Yeah it was.

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I said, just keep paddling, I'll catch him. And that's

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all I did all afternoon. So we saw this this

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stream off to the right, and he says, hey, let's

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go down down the stream, and I said all right.

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So we started going down down into the stream and

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it's a little crowded.

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Yeah, it got crowded, all right. It's like a single

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track model when you're in the front and there is

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no fope of seeing the outside of this the other

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end just spin around. I spun it around and I said,

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you go in it. So so he wasn't that bad.

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It was, let me tell it. It was just it was

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a brady stream we went into. It was It was tough,

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it really was. It was. It was to navigate because

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you really didn't tell which way to go. It was braided,

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so there was a lot of options, and we didn't

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know where we were going to end up because we'd

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never been down there. Well, we just kept following the

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current and lo and behow we ended up at a

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beaver dam and we're going right to the beaver dam.

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And then I start fishing there at the beaver dam. Yeah.

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That was the first and last time by letting fish. Yeah.

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So I cast over the beaver dam and I'm sitting

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in a canoe, I'm in the p and been working

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all this way and I get to the beaver dam,

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I start, I start fishing and I cast over the

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beaver dam. And the beaver dam is about four feet

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high and I'm head level with the top of the

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beaver dam at the lower portion of it. And anyway,

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I catch a fish in this smally. All we caught

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were a small mouth and there're three to five pounds.

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If you ever catch small mouth, you know, they just

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bounce out of the water and dance. They're a lot

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of fun. So anyways, were you know, we were catching

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the fish and this thing ounces out of water and

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starts tail dancing, and the next thing, you know, all

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hell broke the slaying. Well, actually, the one tree started

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shaking and it was just all of a sudden, you know,

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we're just sitting in a canoe fish and it was like, hey, yeah,

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I got one, and all of a sudden, this tree

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started to shake like it's in a snow globe. And

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then moments later, a second tree starts shaking. It's like,

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what the heck. So we got two trees shaking like

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they're in a snow globe. And then the roaring starts

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and growling, and now we have to go back through

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this web of tree limbs, you know, So we got

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that where we're sitting there like what is this and

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you know, we're what the heck? You know, so I'm

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still reeling in a fish and and all this roaring

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was going on, and we're like, what is going on

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with that? We don't know what it is. We can't

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see it, but the two trees are shaken, literally, like

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there is snowgow New York atm you know New York

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at all. You can't see ten feet in. Yeah, it

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she had the dark boreal for us. It's fancy in there,

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and like I said, this is dinner, so we're going

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in there. It was dark and it's dark inside at

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four o'clock outside it's still light, so it's so it's

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not bad. But let me tell you. When nothing started

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yelling or screaming or roaring, whatever you want to call it,

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it was a mix of everything. Stuff starts coming out

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of the tree there, there's whether whether whatever's out there

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is throwing it or it's breaking limbs, and there's you

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can figure Yeah, you couldn't even you couldn't either even

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put something together the an animal in your mind to

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make that noise. And that really kind of freaked out

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because you couldn't figure out what it was. Yeah, nothing

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in the memory bank that was I mean when it was,

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you know, so it was it was a freaky experience.

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And we're just sitting there, We're in the middle of nowhere,

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and all of a sudden, these trees are shaken and

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it's going off and you could feel it. You could

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feel the yell and yeah, yeah, it was like you

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get a ten euge in content you could fundle to

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read on for you. It was crazy. Yeah. So, and

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actually that's what made us start to move back because

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I actually that's when we started getting out. Well, I

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actually wanted to go further, but the beaver dam was

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in front of me, and they're like, no way, no way,

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we're out. We're out. So if you could picture the

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cartoon at this point, it breaks in half and I'm

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going one way, he's going the other. And that's that

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was kind of where we were at because I wanted

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to see it and he's like, no, we're done. And

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it was. It was that scary actually, because you could

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it's crazy in your chest. You could feel actually your

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whole body when that thing roared with the tone of

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it as it went high, the vibration on your body

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got He still had a paddle out of the stream

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to get away from whatever this thing was fighting their

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way through, and it wasn't that far away from the

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side of there. It would have to be thirty yards

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in maybe, so as it as it got louder, we

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backed out because we actually thought, whatever this thing is,

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it never stopped shaking the trees, and it never stopped

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growling and yelling and making the noise that it did.

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You never ever stopped. When we were noticing that, we

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actually say, hey, dude, that thing just hasn't even stopped.

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And it went on this this now has gone on

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for By the time we actually backed out and got

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into it, the existing lake that we were in was

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maybe ten minutes, maybe fifteen, and we were and this

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thing never ever stopped shaking or the sound never ever stopped.

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So nothing took a breath, all right, because the sound

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never stopped. It continuus roaring crazy for almost fifteen minutes,

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all bent ten twelve, fifteen, and I mean it didn't

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really We were out in the middle of the lake

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and that's when it finally he stopped as fast as

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it started. It just stopped, yep, And we just kind

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of sat there, you know, and we just kind of

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looked around, like what just happened? And we're trying to

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you know, Hey, what was that? Was that a bear?

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Was a mountain lion? Where they fighting or something? What's

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going on? We're there, you know when you start paddling

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away and then you're you're in. The canoe was sixteen

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feet long, and all I said was, you know, we're

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on the same side as this. Yeah, that's where our

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campsite was, on the same side as all of this

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took place, maybe two hundred yards away. Yeah, so there's

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no run into your car, there's no you know for

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no dunkin Donuts, no nothing. It was kind of back

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to your scary little campsite that you had to clean

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all that debris out of it and wondering why and

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now all of a sudden this so yeah, i'd say

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it was. It was a long night that night, and yeah,

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we had a fire all yeah, yeah, we had a

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deer come through because we didn't really we heard a

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deer come through. Its crazy. And then we got out

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of there that morning, you know, probably just the sun

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came up we could paddle. So it's probably five o'clock,

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five thirty in the morning. We're heading out. Now, you

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got to we're guides. We were guides up here for

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ten or fifty. Yeah, we know this place very well,

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and this is never ever, ever, ever, ever happened ever

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and exactly exactly it never happened. But you know, then

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then years later, during a couple of years go by,

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and we started talking to people. We're talking to different

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people that Facebook features. We didn't have Facebook at the times.

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When we finally got into Facebook or got a phone

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or got a computer that we could get into Facebook,

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we ran into other groups that were out there and

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people with the same experience listen to their story and

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it was like, hey, you know, we that happened to us.

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We had this happen. So we went back out there

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the following year or a year after, and we went

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out and we checked. I think it was the very

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next year. We went out there and we went right

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back to where we were and we got in there.

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We measured the trees. The trees were nine inches, then

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ten inches, you know, give or take eight to ten inches,

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and almost ten feet apart. Yeah, and these things were

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shaken like like they were in a snooke head, just

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like some surreal crazy, very very weird and you say, hey,

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I mean that's they were the only two trees in

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the whole forest. You know, we've been asked many times,

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was it a bear? Was it this? Well, the bear,

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if it was, it never ever ever stopped making a

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crazy loud screen noise. And if it were to hit

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the ground, you would have thought you would have heard

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a bear make a huffing sound or some type of noise.

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But but this year that just didn't do that. The

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noise that never stopped at this point, now you know,

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we had no clue, but not in Monday morning quarterbre

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and and now we believe there was multiple it's possible

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multiple bigfoot there and between the roaring, one got a

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breath and the other one is roaring, so you know,

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you didn't really notice it, right, and that may have

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been how that's why we always took it as continual

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roaring when they might have had multiples and they're you know,

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doing their thing and yelling and streaming and roaring just

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to scare us and all. I mean, then it didn't

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sound like it stopped. Well, it was all different knocks

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in different tones, so it's you know, there's no way

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to decipher who did that or this. You know, it

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was just a cacophony of roaring and streaming. It is bizarre,

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and we turned around and that we came to a

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conclusion later on that they were fishing. There were there

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could have been multiples, we figured three at least, and

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they were fishing. They were pushing. Their hands are like

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big first Basement's mitch, you know, these things are enormous,

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giant match yeap. So when you got four of those

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things pushing through the through the stream in into a

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into a beaver dam, now mind you, this is a

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small Yeah, it's just a little a small creek coming

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into a and it hits beaver dam that's kind of

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eight picks in shape, so it's got of a curve

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to it, and the curve is only you know, it's

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probably only thirty feet wide, forty feet wide. This whole damn,

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This whole thing when it's holding back and the stream

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coming in is only four or five feet wide, and

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it might be knee deep if that. So, if you

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got two or three bigfoot and they're walking with their

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paws and their fingers, you know, and as big as

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they are, it's like a wall moving whatever's in front

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of them down into that holding pin. What is we're

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calling it a beaver dam. And that's where they're pushing

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all this fish and they were fine with us fishing

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all the way up until that point where I pulled

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the fish out. And that's when one of them dudes

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just had it and they said, no, you're out and

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they went off and they said, no, this is our

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fishing hole. Get out, And that's exactly what they told us,

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and we'd left it.

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Wow, that is such a wild I mean, I see

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how that would that would push you into where you

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guys are today. That is just crazy. And there's there

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was no easy way to get out of there. Once

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you describe, you know, how big the stream actually was.

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I mean, you're not getting either quick for sure.

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Oh oh no, not at all. So that's what we think,

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you know. And and now, like I said, we're Monday

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Morning for bad guys. But in twenty thirteen, we were

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just kind of cutting our teeth on this bigfoot thing. Really,

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you know, we think we had an experience. We started

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hanging out with Squats A Chusts was a group at

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the time. We're local. We got involved with those guys,

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We got involved with the BFRO and we did that

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for Sheeze almost thirty four fourteen fifteen years now, we've

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been doing it and now we're doing our own thing.

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We've got the Vogel Brothers and we do the Cobble

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Mountain Critter Project. And but you know, throughout our investigations,

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good we've had you know, Eric and I've had a

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Class A sighting sure, twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen, we had

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exciting it. We've had a sighting through a fleer and

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smell and new yours encounters all right, ours with a

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few people at the same time. So really that's the

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best part of when we talk about our experiences. It's

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always been with a group of people. Most of the

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time we were leading expeditions or we had groups of

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people with us. There's multiple witnesses that can verify. It's

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not just the guy's coming up with a story. There's

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multiple and not just bigfoot orbs and other days. So

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it's kind of nutting.

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Can you share one of those experiences where you were

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able to have a Class A sighting of one?

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Yeah, I'm going to fill my coffee and that is right, Okay,

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Well it started. It started on a Friday night. We

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started we were up here at up at the camp.

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We had an extpedition going on there were about twelve people,

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maybe fourteen, yes Western mess and we pulled in and

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we were all getting out of the cars and we're

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all of a sudden, these kids come running out of

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the woods and adults and they're saying someone's throwing rocks

452
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and they're yelling at us, and we're like what. Tim's

453
00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:25.359
the ranger here at the camp and he says, there's

454
00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:29.559
nobody here, and the teachers turned around and says, somebody

455
00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:33.799
is yelling and somebody is throwing rocks, so they're running out.

456
00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:37.519
We go in, but we couldn't find anything. We couldn't

457
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:41.519
find anybody, couldn't find any trash, couldn't find anything. So

458
00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:44.720
they all the kids and the teachers took off because

459
00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:48.519
they didn't want to stay, so we all could take off.

460
00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:51.319
And we're sitting around the fire, we're talking, getting ready

461
00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:54.759
having dinner, and then we're gonna go out into the

462
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:59.000
camp and we're broken into groups and everybody each group

463
00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:02.400
had had a fleer and I had a father and

464
00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:06.279
son with me. Go out into the field and we're

465
00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:08.680
standing next to a tree and it's about one two

466
00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:12.599
o'clock in the morning and his son's looking at a

467
00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:17.559
mouse running around and the gentleman I'm standing beside. We're

468
00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:20.640
just kind of talking to each other real low. And

469
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:25.559
I looked across the field and I see this. This

470
00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:29.799
orange is reddish, you know, a yellow oranges ball, about

471
00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:32.599
the size of a beach ball. And it's about thirty

472
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:35.519
feet in the air from where, you know, where I'm

473
00:25:35.559 --> 00:25:37.880
looking at. It's a good over one hundred yards away.

474
00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:40.359
But it's one in the morning, and it's pitch black.

475
00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:44.160
And I looked at the gentleman beside me, and he

476
00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:46.960
just he looked at me. He looked back at the

477
00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:50.240
at the glowing ball, and we watched it for a

478
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:52.519
good ten seconds, and it just went up in the

479
00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:57.519
air and gone. We were like, what just happened? But

480
00:25:57.640 --> 00:25:59.519
we didn't say anything. We just kind of looked at

481
00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:03.400
each other and never experienced. Yeah, the had you know,

482
00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:06.160
you know, nothing is supposed to be over there. I mean,

483
00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:11.079
he's been a ranger here for almost fifteen years, you

484
00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:14.160
know what the lord was, Yeah, you know, and you see,

485
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:16.559
you never heard of one. So that night there wasn't

486
00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:18.799
any It's just an open lot. There's not supposed to

487
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:21.920
be anything there. So the following day we all get together.

488
00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:25.200
It's been raining now for about four days. So we

489
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:28.079
all get together where Tim stay here. He had a

490
00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:31.799
he was teaching a fishing class for the state. So

491
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.920
we turned around and we took off and we went

492
00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:39.039
over to Savoy. We went to one spot and it

493
00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:41.680
was nobody wanted to get out and it was just

494
00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:46.119
raining too hard, so we went. We drove to another

495
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:50.960
spot deeper into Savoy and it stopped. It slowed down

496
00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:53.759
enough to where most everybody went. There are a few

497
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:56.000
cars that there are few people that didn't get out,

498
00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:58.359
but they said we'll wait for you here. We said, okay,

499
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:01.640
so we walked in and we get in. We're hiking

500
00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:07.039
into this place called Balance Rock in Savoy and there's

501
00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:10.319
always two gentlemen that come with the group that'd like

502
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:13.480
to drop back, and they like to watch the group

503
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:16.839
to see if the group is being watched. It makes

504
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:20.000
sense to you. And we had a father and son

505
00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:24.400
team go up in front of us. So we're kind

506
00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:26.599
of we I'm in the in with the group of

507
00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:29.319
about nine or ten people were walking up. We get

508
00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:33.880
up the Balance Rock. We're standing there. Everybody's listening, and

509
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:37.119
we asked if anybody wanted to make a bigfoot call,

510
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:40.839
and this little. This young young boy says, I will,

511
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:44.960
so he gives out a bigfoot call. But I said

512
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.599
to myself, I'm saying, wow, that thing. It was so

513
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:52.200
soft and so quiet. I don't think they heard anything. Well,

514
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:54.480
the two guys that were behind us come running up

515
00:27:54.519 --> 00:27:57.039
and they say, hey, we've got we've got whistles back here.

516
00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:01.279
And at the same time, the gentleman and the guy

517
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:03.279
in the sun up in the front sent the sun

518
00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:04.960
back and see he says, hey, we got some kind

519
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:07.880
of knocking going on up here in the front. Who

520
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:10.000
We're like what? So we just kind of walked in

521
00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:14.319
and fanned out in a forty five. So I walked

522
00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:18.200
in and I stood on this little rock. It had

523
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:20.359
moss all around it, but the rock was shown, so

524
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:22.559
I was standing on it. It was a higher elevation,

525
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:27.200
not high enough, but it was high. So I'm standing

526
00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:29.480
there and there were a dozen people in the woods

527
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:33.920
all looking and I have an orange rain jacket, so

528
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:38.000
I really stuck out and we're I'm looking around. I

529
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:42.240
don't see anything, and it's really quiet. So I kind

530
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:45.039
of bent myself down at my knees so I could

531
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:47.599
look lower to see if I could see Leig movement

532
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:51.759
or deer walking by or something and all, and I

533
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:54.720
kind of noticed this big black thing that wasn't there

534
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:58.720
a second ago. So I kind of stood up and went,

535
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:02.920
I leaned to the left. This thing leaned to the left,

536
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:06.480
and I went, what was that? And when I stood

537
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:11.319
back up, it stood up and turned and I went, what,

538
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:15.960
I it's there, and I pointed and I started running

539
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:19.799
right at it. And there was a gentleman beside me

540
00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:22.960
with a go pro, and there was another gentleman on

541
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:26.480
the other side of him that saw the lower half

542
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:30.039
at the same time I saw the upper half moving

543
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.079
and he ran into the same frame of the go

544
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:37.680
pro together pointing in the same direction as I was.

545
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:40.960
He saw the bottom, I saw the top. You can't

546
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:43.359
see any And there was a three laying down and

547
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:46.000
the guy would in the middle was standing right in

548
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:48.799
front of a tree where this big foot was standing.

549
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:52.720
Unbelievable to say, what you see is two people running

550
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.400
pointing at a tree. Yeah, that's what you see. But

551
00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:01.759
it was there. So we turned around and everybody else

552
00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:05.000
came over, and we're looking around to see if we

553
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:09.319
can find some tracks, and we can't find nothing. And

554
00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:13.079
I'm going, that's crazy. It was there and the other

555
00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:15.759
and the other guy says yeah. He says, I saw

556
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.720
the lades move, and I says, I watched it turn it.

557
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:22.559
Teeter tottered with me. I says, oh, I can't believe this,

558
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:24.680
I said, And my brother's not with me. I said,

559
00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:27.799
that's impossible. This this is crazy. I said, I got

560
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:29.759
to get on back here. So when we went back

561
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:32.119
to the camp, I said, Tim, you got to come

562
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:34.599
with me tomorrow. You just got to. I says, you

563
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:37.480
won't believe what happened. So I told the whole story.

564
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.799
We drive back up, we go in, we get it,

565
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:44.200
We get up to the balance rocket, we go in,

566
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:47.799
and we're going through the whole story again. Show them.

567
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:50.440
Showed them the rock where I was showing. We brought

568
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:54.160
out the range finder and a tape measure. I had

569
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:57.200
him walked to the tree where I saw it. I

570
00:30:57.319 --> 00:31:00.279
pulled out the range finder. It was forty yards wds

571
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.440
from me, and then I turned around and I said him,

572
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:06.200
start raising your hand. So he raised his hand. I said, no,

573
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:10.519
gotta go up. He got his hat and then he

574
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.640
went up onto Then he had to get a stick

575
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:14.880
and go up with the hat and it stopped about

576
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:17.039
eight and a half nine feet and it was like

577
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:20.039
I was looking at a sheet of plywood. When I

578
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:21.960
saw it, it had to be almost four feet wide.

579
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.039
And I only saw a part of it when it moved,

580
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:28.559
and I and there was nothing, but there was nothing

581
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:32.240
there when that day that had happened, we went up

582
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:35.799
there and I'm going through the whole scenario scenario, after

583
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:39.720
we measured it. I was on one side of the tree,

584
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:41.680
he was on the other. And he comes walking down

585
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:44.640
the tree and he goes, wow, look at this. And

586
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:51.079
there was a track, beautiful footprint track, Yeah, seventeen and

587
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.799
a half eight and a half inches wide at the

588
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:56.519
top and the heel was four inches deep and it

589
00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:58.559
was five and a half five five and a half

590
00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:02.279
inches wide. It was. It was a big track. And

591
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:06.599
seven feet away second track, we found the ball of

592
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:09.559
the second track of the other foot. And the reason

593
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:12.400
why it was just the ball was because there was

594
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.880
a root and the toes caught the root and it

595
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:19.160
peeled the bark off the roof. But you can't, you can't,

596
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:23.440
It just doesn't work. So you get the ball. But

597
00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:26.119
when you put the ball, when you put the ball

598
00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:29.839
of one foot with the footprint. They're at the same depth,

599
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:32.680
so you know it was the same creature. But the

600
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:35.400
two gentlemen that were on the other side of that

601
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:38.880
path never saw it coming at them. And they were

602
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:41.759
right there, the two gentlemen that were behind us, they

603
00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:44.440
came down the same path that this thing was headed

604
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:47.599
and they never saw it. Yeah, So what does that

605
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:49.119
tell you? You know what I mean, where does it go?

606
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.079
Why did twelve people miss it? How did twelve people

607
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:54.119
miss it? And why did we only get two tracks

608
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.440
out of it? You know, nothing moved, he said. Reason

609
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:01.400
never moved. There were no snapping, there was there was

610
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:05.039
there was nothing. It was dead quiet. Yeah, but yet

611
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:08.640
there's the track, there's a half a second track and

612
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:11.359
no one's and no one else saw this thing. I

613
00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:16.000
just it's crazy. So I when after he found that,

614
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:18.559
we we got our friend of ours to come back.

615
00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:21.480
He was going, he was he was on his way

616
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.279
to a ball game. He turned around and he came

617
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:25.519
back to We walked out to the end of the death.

618
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:28.119
We met him at the dirt road covered the treads

619
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:31.400
so they wouldn't be hit by animals. And yeah, we

620
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:32.960
met him out on the dirt road. We got in

621
00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:36.559
his truck and we drove in. Before we drove in,

622
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.480
we had a roar. Yes, we were driving, Yeah, we

623
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:42.200
were driving in. I was in the front, Tim was

624
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:45.519
behind me on the passenger side. And there was a

625
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:47.680
roar that came up off of that the top of

626
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:51.079
the mountain. That sounded just like the roar that we

627
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:54.319
heard in New York. And the depth and them same

628
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:58.799
almost the same one. It was. It was incredibly close

629
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:02.240
together and it must have been a warning setting out

630
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:04.160
here they come again, you know, they're coming back in.

631
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:06.880
So when we went in there the other guy was,

632
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:09.039
he was standing there, he was looking at it. He goes, no,

633
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:11.960
he says, I can't believe we didn't see that, And

634
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:14.920
there it was. So we casted both tracks. So we

635
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:18.000
have two casts, and like you said, you know we

636
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:21.760
there one is it lacks toe prints, but it's got

637
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.599
heel definition, it's got the it goes in real deep,

638
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:27.559
so it shows you where the impact was the initial

639
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:33.360
fight or flight lands boom gives you a full foot track.

640
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:35.840
And then the second one is just the ball of

641
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.639
the foot. And like you said, the reason why we

642
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.079
cast it is because it's the same depth as the

643
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:44.199
heel strength from the track before, so it shows you

644
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:47.519
something the same weight made normally here in New England,

645
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:50.119
it's hard to get one track ned never mind too

646
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:54.440
why I don't know, but that's definitely a cool conversation

647
00:34:54.559 --> 00:34:55.199
to have as well.

648
00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:58.639
Wow, this is guys, I've so.

649
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:03.119
Right a Skavoy state for ye Savoy right here? Man.

650
00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:06.079
Yeah, I used to do a lot of outdoor stuff

651
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.159
with my father growing up, and like I've been to

652
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:10.760
that Balancing Rock area. I know because I grew up

653
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:14.400
in Northfield and we would take root too over and

654
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:18.519
I can't explain to people how wild the northwest corner

655
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:19.719
of Massachusetts is.

656
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:22.159
Is absolutely crazy.

657
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:25.760
I'm just blown away. I mean I can totally see

658
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:28.679
that you would have that experience in Savoy. Isn't that

659
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:31.400
the same area where Jonathan wilcad his stuff too?

660
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:37.719
Yes? Yes, same state for its different areas. Matter of fact,

661
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.360
he is the gentleman that I was referring to. Okay,

662
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:44.800
this gentleman. Yeah, we made him tell his own story.

663
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:50.400
But yeah, sure, sure it's increating. People can watch that

664
00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:55.159
on Small Town Monsters has a really good episode. I'll

665
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:57.960
put the link out the show notes with him. But

666
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:00.639
oh my goodness, that's awesome. I've heard so many things

667
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:04.599
from southwest Massachusetts, but not the northwest corner. And man,

668
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.400
I mean, you know, want to just to make sure

669
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:10.880
that I get it in. But something I ask in

670
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:15.119
Massachusetts episodes just in case, is there's got to be

671
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:19.360
someone out there someday who can who has experienced something

672
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:21.239
in Franklin County. I don't know if you're familiar with

673
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:24.599
that area. It's further east and you've got like Greenfield

674
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:28.239
and Northfield and Gill and Warwick and all that good stuff.

675
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:30.719
And have you guys ever heard anything from out in

676
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:31.159
that area.

677
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:34.960
I have read stories from out in that area. Yes,

678
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:40.199
there's not too Many's the one I'm familiar with. You're

679
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:43.480
talking about Zaha Rose Crossing I route too, like on

680
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:47.320
the Mohawk Trail. Yeah, no, that's that's the one we're

681
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:51.920
talking about. Franklin County. There's not too to be honest,

682
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:56.719
it's just a weird place that doesn't get that much reports.

683
00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:59.079
I haven't had that many reports. Yeah, and we tried,

684
00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:01.679
we've urged gone in there and tried to pull out,

685
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:03.719
you know, get people to talk open up to us.

686
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:07.519
And all the other counties had heavy reporting. But the

687
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:11.639
other ones like we've just had and Beckett, Blandford, Russell

688
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.880
and the hilltowns and Western mess and the hilltowns. We've

689
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:21.639
got almost a dozen reports between wood knocking and woops vocalizations.

690
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:24.840
And one person said he's heard it chattered kind of thing,

691
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:28.280
So but I don't, you know, that's what he's saying.

692
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:32.719
So he's we've had chatter. We've had whoops and numerous

693
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:38.320
wood knocking reports this year alone just in our local area.

694
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:40.519
And we get that through the Cobble Mountain Pater and

695
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:44.400
really fall hasn't even come yet. That's when that that's

696
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:51.000
when over November starts, really hartst season, you know. Yeah,

697
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:53.000
And when we say that, you know a lot of

698
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:56.360
people think, oh, you know corn and the farmers. Now

699
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:59.519
right now, the white oaks are dropping and the oak

700
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:02.960
forest if you look at the oak forest at the

701
00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:07.000
thirty thousand foot level, it's huge. So it's in the

702
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:11.000
metric tons of oaks that are falling that there's it's

703
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:14.360
feeding everything from the moles walls to the turkeys, to

704
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:18.800
the deer, to bigfoot, everything in between. That's the harvest

705
00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:22.360
I'm talking about. And we have plenty and right now

706
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:26.039
the white oaks are dropping or they dropped in was

707
00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:29.039
it the more in the summer and the red oaks

708
00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:32.400
will be dropping a little bit later. And literally when

709
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:35.599
you walk around here on this property, it sounds like

710
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:38.079
you need a hard hat because the oaks will fall

711
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:41.599
and it's like, you know, like you know, raining rocks.

712
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:46.559
So there's plenty of food. There's plenty of food. I

713
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:51.639
just think the our area, and let's say the northeast

714
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.960
is a quilted thing of vegetation. If you look at

715
00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:00.159
the big view and there's fresh logging which which gives

716
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:04.239
you certain foods. There's old growth which gives you certain comforts,

717
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:06.599
and there's other things that gives you, you know, the

718
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.760
farm land and the agriculture and the quiet, and you know,

719
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:13.480
this is a network of geographic stuff that makes New

720
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:17.400
England a great area. And for US, Western Mass has

721
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:19.599
a bunch of that right here. Yeah.

722
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.519
Yeah, I think it doesn't get enough credit. All the

723
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:26.039
stuff going on everywhere from the kabin to down in

724
00:39:26.119 --> 00:39:29.000
Mount Washington in the corner of Mass. There's a lot

725
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:31.920
of crazy stuff going on. But you know, a pattern

726
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:35.079
that I keep getting in reports when I talk to

727
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.679
people for the podcast is that over the years there's

728
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:42.199
a lot of people that have seen what they describe

729
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.960
as like a white bigfoot kind of north of Springfield

730
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:50.760
Cobbin area. But it's really interesting. Have you guys run

731
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:51.119
into that.

732
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.719
I've heard that stories. I've heard those stories too. I

733
00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:59.519
haven't seen it myself, but yeah, I've heard that story. Yeah. Well,

734
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:02.360
I just listen to one of your latest podcasts. It

735
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:08.719
was he's a musician Jeese. Anyway, he did a thing

736
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:11.239
right there in Quabbin and it was the white Bigfoot

737
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:13.159
in quab And now you guys did a show on

738
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:17.599
it was great, and we had heard investigating through the

739
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:21.360
BFRO and squat Chusetts and other people talking that they

740
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:24.119
had seen. There's multiple reports. Let's put it down, we

741
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:26.559
have a white bigfoot in that area. And then in

742
00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:30.039
twenty three, in twenty twenty three, my wife and I

743
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:33.639
we live right here on the Cobbo Mountain Reservoir and

744
00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:37.119
we have a thirteen hunderdacre camp that hadbuts this property

745
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:40.599
and we were out. We call it a squatch ride.

746
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:43.039
We got driving and long story show, we go look

747
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.280
up for bigfoot. So it's a squat ride. So we

748
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:47.440
got our duncans and weren't off with our coffee and

749
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:50.639
driving along, and we come down Wildcat Road into the

750
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:54.199
quab And Reservoir and we look across the reservoir and

751
00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:57.239
my wife happens to see this big white thing come

752
00:40:57.320 --> 00:40:59.960
walking out of the woods, right down to the leg

753
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.800
and at that point she gets my attention and I'm

754
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:04.960
looking over at it, because she thought it might have

755
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:08.480
been a sign that blew around or something. And she said,

756
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:10.840
look at that, look at that. And so we stopped,

757
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:13.440
and now we're looking across the lake. But it might

758
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:15.199
have been a half mile three coards of a mile,

759
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:18.679
which I live right above a lake, and I'm looking

760
00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:22.159
across the lake through my pitcher window right now, and

761
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:24.719
I can see the shoreline a half mile away, So

762
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:27.960
this thing wasn't that far away. But we let's put

763
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.360
it this way. When this thing walked down, it walked down.

764
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:32.519
It looked like it bent down and got a drink

765
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:35.400
of water for a few minutes. It stood back up

766
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:38.920
and walked back into the woods and then disappeared into

767
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:43.400
the woods. What we never got was a profile shot.

768
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:46.639
What I mean by that is when a deer or

769
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:48.840
a moose or a beer because that's what people saying, Oh,

770
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:51.639
you saw a barrier moose. Okay, great, that's what we saw.

771
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:56.000
But this moose came down sixty feet of shoreline to

772
00:41:56.159 --> 00:42:01.239
the water. It drank and then walked backwards without ever

773
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:04.639
turning around. If that moves or bear or something walk

774
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:06.599
down to the water, it would turn around to walk

775
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.679
back to the woods. It never did that. And the

776
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:13.280
profile we were looking at was this tall, cylindrical white

777
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:16.039
object that looked like it just went up and down

778
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:19.599
to the water, got a drink potentially, and literally just

779
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.039
walked back to the woods. We didn't ever get that

780
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:24.800
side profile shot where you would normally get of an

781
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:28.719
animal on four legs, that big side body shot. We

782
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:31.840
never got that. So that leads me to believe we

783
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:35.760
saw white bigfoot right there in Cobble Mountain. So, you know,

784
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:39.400
hence the name Cobble Mountain Critter Project. We've had numerous

785
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:41.719
accounts right here in my backyard. Partner.

786
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:47.360
That's incredible, And I know that area has come up

787
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:51.800
on the show before. With Ernie, I was able to

788
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:58.039
talk and oh, yeah, yeah, it's a wild area, dude.

789
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:01.360
And you so you started a festival in that area too?

790
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:05.599
Correct? Correct? Yes? And I had Ernie as one of

791
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:09.599
the speakers we had Dave mccallough Team two experience. I

792
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:14.639
had a bunch of people here speaking and Ernie Davreeaux

793
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:17.480
told his story on Drake Mountain and what an incredible

794
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:20.679
encounter he had, and so you know, he's of the

795
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:22.920
mind and he's got a lot of us thinking more

796
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:29.199
on communication levels. Now. I've been hearing numerous, not numerous reports,

797
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:32.880
I've heard a number of reports where people have discussed

798
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:36.039
hearing chatter lately, and that's kind of a new thing

799
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:41.039
around here lately, and at least in the Western Mass area. Chatter.

800
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:43.599
We don't hear that often, and you don't get here,

801
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:48.039
you don't hear reports of it, but you know, it's starting,

802
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:51.119
like like we've been around long enough to where people

803
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:54.239
drive around they're seeing in the local gas station or

804
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:56.440
the story it's the big Foot guys. You know, that's

805
00:43:56.599 --> 00:43:59.159
kind of the report we've got in town now. And

806
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:02.400
we literally have these little wooden mail boxes we made

807
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:05.000
and put up in like the Beckett Country Store, and

808
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:08.400
it becomes the you know, the the mailing station or

809
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:12.280
the reporting station for Western Mass and through these little

810
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:14.639
you know, we we go up there and have coffee

811
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:17.400
and you know, coffee and cryptids at the at the

812
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:20.119
grinder Shop, there might be two people that walk in.

813
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:22.360
There might be be walking in. We don't care. But

814
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.440
we're there to talk about Bigfoot locally. And and so

815
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:27.840
we're starting to open some doors. People are starting to

816
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.719
reach out. And like I said, we literally have a

817
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:34.159
dozen reports now that we probably wouldn't have gotten from

818
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:38.000
people otherwise. You know, between the library shows that we do,

819
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:40.519
the talks that we give, you know, whether it's a

820
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:43.840
conference or a festival or next week I we have

821
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:47.920
them down, they'll talk to you. Yeah, the more they

822
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:49.920
know you, the more they can hear you, they trust you,

823
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:52.360
they'll open up and you start to hear this stuff

824
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:56.199
with the Cowbon Mount recruiter. That that's kind of when

825
00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:59.920
we started this. We we do these stories and when

826
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.840
we do the library portions and we make money on this,

827
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:05.199
we only get a couple hundred bucks. So if you're

828
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:07.719
a library listening and you want us to come out,

829
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:10.440
we'll only a couple of hundred bucks to us. You know,

830
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:12.400
you get us for two hours. We come with our

831
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:15.239
own casts. We have a half a dozen casts that

832
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:19.000
we cast that a dozen people saw. These are these

833
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:22.519
are authors cast These are mold. Yeah. So anyways, we

834
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:25.519
turned our business into more of a fundraising effort. So

835
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:27.719
when we go off and we do these talks, that

836
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:31.159
money goes right into where we're sending kids to camp.

837
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:34.840
We were involved with the town. The town police is

838
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:38.079
making a badge for us. That's gonna be the Russell

839
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:41.239
Town Montgomery Russell Police and we're going to use them

840
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:44.559
as fundraiser patches. So we're involved with the town doing

841
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:47.599
this and that that's going to be We're set nights,

842
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:51.199
we're giving away pine trees like an Arbor Day thing.

843
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:53.679
We're giving away pine trees and we're up to six

844
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:57.039
hundred to one thousand, so you know, that's a bit

845
00:45:57.119 --> 00:45:59.880
of money, and so these patches will help pay for that.

846
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:03.000
At these library talks help pay for that kind of stuff.

847
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:06.280
That's what we're doing with our Cobble Mountain Critter Project,

848
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:09.760
so we investigate bigfoot stuff as the Voger Brothers. We

849
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:13.000
do businesses the Cobble Mountain Cruiter Project and the kids benefit.

850
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:15.719
That's fantastic. Mike Guness, do you think a lot of

851
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:19.760
people are having sightings and interactions in this Cobble Mountain

852
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:21.280
area and they're just not talking about it.

853
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:26.280
Oh, absolutely, its out about it. We actually did. There's

854
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:30.519
a local brewery called Skyline Brewery and they've been making

855
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:34.280
a Cobble Mountain Crutter beer for years now. And so

856
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:37.000
when we had started the business, we didn't really think

857
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:40.440
of working. There was no there was no thought behind that.

858
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:42.880
So here we are, we start a business and all

859
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.400
of a sudden we realize he's got a beer and

860
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:48.000
we start talking to each other. So we actually go

861
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:52.079
there when they open their ipa and they had that

862
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:54.960
brow for that month. They had us come in and

863
00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:57.880
do a talk. It was in March, and so we

864
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:00.320
talked about the Cobble Mountain Critter and they broke out

865
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:02.400
the new Cobble Mountain Critter beer. And it was a

866
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:03.840
big to do and it was a lot of fun

867
00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:06.000
and there was a lot of stories on that. A

868
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:07.760
lot of people came out and said, hey, you know,

869
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:10.480
blah blah blah and this and that, and there was

870
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:13.880
different names. State Trooper had some howls at two o'clock

871
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:16.760
in the morning, Eric, my brother, did a report on

872
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:21.360
fishermen up there getting howls and screams. You know, the

873
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.440
legends go way back up there, right here in my backyard.

874
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:28.480
Cobble mountain man. That is.

875
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:31.480
That is absolutely fantastic. It's great to hear someone call

876
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:34.719
call it grinders because I say that out here in

877
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:37.320
the Midwest and everyone thinks I'm crazy because they don't

878
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:44.400
get it, you know what I'm talking about. But yeah,

879
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:46.760
So you guys have been involved with a lot of

880
00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:50.360
investigations over the years. Are there any that really stick

881
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:51.280
out that like?

882
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:52.360
That? Was?

883
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:54.920
That was a crazy thing that we were involved with

884
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:59.639
looking into for the BFO or Squatchachusetts that you could share.

885
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.239
We think, Yeah, it was actually on our own and

886
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:07.679
it was we were doing a school group. We had

887
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:11.639
a business called Taco Mountain Outdoors. It was an adventure

888
00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:14.519
education business. I'll say that we've been doing this a

889
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:17.320
long time and we're in the woods all the time. Yeah,

890
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:20.320
this is why this goes back to nineteen ninety when

891
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:23.199
we started the business, So nineteen ninety eight eight when

892
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:25.840
it was legit, I guess. So we've been doing this

893
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.559
stuff for a long time and we were in northwest

894
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:32.239
Connecticut providing a ropes course, a high ropes course for

895
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:36.199
a school group. Ye, there's a Catholic school group and

896
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:40.880
there's thirty kids two teachers and Eric and myself and

897
00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:43.159
we've got them for the whole weekend. So it's a

898
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.840
team building event up on the mountain which is pretty

899
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:48.840
remote and there is zero people around the area. There's

900
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:52.679
zero people. There are zero people in the area. Put

901
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:57.159
it that basically there Southern out and all by itself. Yeah, Southern.

902
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:01.719
It's in the Appalation Trail west of it, and it's

903
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:04.800
in between the Taconics and the Eighties, so there's there's

904
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:07.920
no easy way to get into it outside of a trail.

905
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:10.239
So anyways, it's a hard place to get to. That's

906
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:15.960
my point. So we're doing a ropes course and we've

907
00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:19.280
been doing ropes courses here for fifteen years and we've

908
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:21.760
never had this issue. And we've been on that mountain

909
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:25.360
numerous times, numerous times up and down it, do anything.

910
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:28.400
On the top of it is a chimney. There used

911
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:31.159
to be a house and it burnt down, so it's

912
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:35.639
a chimney. And these wolves take kids up there classes

913
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:37.599
and whatnot, and they go up there and they and

914
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:40.639
they sit there and they reflect and whatever. So the

915
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:43.239
chimney is being used all the time and there's nothing

916
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:47.519
up there. It's just mountain chimney and trees. So at

917
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:50.119
this time me and Eric are making dinner. We're down

918
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:53.320
at our campsite. We're cooking dinner, and the teachers and

919
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:56.320
the kids are up at this chimney and it's you know,

920
00:49:56.400 --> 00:49:58.199
it's a bit of a hike and it's pretty steep

921
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:00.239
to get to it. And then you know there's he's

922
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:02.199
and forties. That was a big thing, cabins on the

923
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:05.519
mountains until they all burnt down. They were called summit houses. Yeah,

924
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:09.280
they all they had an old old rope toe rope,

925
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:13.199
ski switch, yeah, ski ski slope there. So anyways, that's

926
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:16.480
all gone, so nothing nut there is. Anyway, these guys

927
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:20.440
come down from their Bible study. Eric and I are

928
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:23.639
done cooking and we're fixing that and handed out and

929
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:27.079
we're you know, doing burgers and whatnot, and everybody's at

930
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:29.360
this point just about ready to sit down and eat.

931
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:33.639
And at that point I was pouring coffee, yeah, and

932
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:36.480
Tim was standing on my right and the pastor was

933
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:40.639
on my left, and out of nowhere you heard this

934
00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:46.400
sirene sound like somebody flipped the switch and turned it on.

935
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:51.559
It just went whew, But it went on for fifteen

936
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:54.079
twenty seconds. It sounded like the highest tone of a

937
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:56.800
plat on top of the mountain. And now the pastor

938
00:50:56.920 --> 00:50:59.320
stand there. His eyes are like half dollars, and he

939
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:01.400
just looks at me and I said, yep, and they

940
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:03.960
just left them out, I said, Tim, and he goes, yep,

941
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:11.239
big footing foot. So the preachers all freaked us very yeah.

942
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:13.599
He looked over at the at the pastor and says,

943
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:17.519
and he came over on the ark. Oh shows you

944
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:18.599
the look out of those things.

945
00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:20.440
You guys said that that's hilarious.

946
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:24.599
Oh yeah, said but he's been talking to Bigfoot all weekend.

947
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:27.079
And of course it's bizarre. They thought we were crazy

948
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:30.039
until this happened. Then all of a sudden, something bizarre happened.

949
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:32.760
And and literally it came from an area where they

950
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:36.199
believe they were just we're just no explaining it. Literally,

951
00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.320
it sounded like a police car at its very highest tone.

952
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:41.679
And of course when we went gultining it up, we

953
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:45.159
we we had other people say that they've heard that

954
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:49.039
saying sound. Other reports we've had this high pitched siren sound,

955
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:51.400
and you know that would have been related to today.

956
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:54.000
It was a whistle, now, you know, we say it

957
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:55.880
was a siren sound, but that would have been that

958
00:51:55.880 --> 00:52:00.679
would a very high pitched whistle. So so now we're

959
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:03.119
we're finishing dinner. We had our fun. Ha ha ha.

960
00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:05.280
That was big foot and they all got the point

961
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:08.360
and laugh and so Eric and I walk off in humiliation,

962
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:11.360
and you know, so we had fun with it. We

963
00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:14.559
go back, we're finishing the night and it's it's kind

964
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:16.599
of getting dark, and the owls are kicking up and

965
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:20.079
it's you know, they're you know, that kind of thing

966
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:23.159
going on, and if you know owls or territorial and

967
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:26.599
then and there's probably half a dozen maybe more owls,

968
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:29.360
and it sounds like they're fighting. And we've been we've

969
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:32.840
been down here for years and really never happens. Number

970
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:35.719
you hear the coyotes once in a while across the swamp.

971
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:37.679
We heard something similar in New York where they were

972
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:40.760
territorial and fighting, but not like this. This was crazy

973
00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:43.519
and the owls going after each other like that. And

974
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:48.159
then we heard coyotes, coyoats, and all night long they

975
00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:50.639
were going off like they had just gotten a fresh

976
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:55.360
killed and as on a fresh kill, that's what it

977
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:58.920
sounded like. It was absolutely nuts. And we've only heard

978
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:01.440
it a few times twenty and chyoks, but it was

979
00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:04.039
on our side of the swamp this time, not on

980
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:08.039
the other side where usually it's on the other side. Now,

981
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:11.880
farms wad and we're set up tens inut of ten.

982
00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:14.519
I'm in a hammock and I'm laying there. I get

983
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:16.480
in there and I'm laying there, and I said, man,

984
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:19.800
I said, all of a sudden, you could hear them.

985
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:22.800
You could hear them down the mountain mountain. They were

986
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:24.760
on our side. They were coming down the mountain. You

987
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:27.400
literally could hear them hitting the ground. Pious are running

988
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:29.880
down there. And I yelled over to Tim and I says, man,

989
00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:32.880
I hope I'm high enough, you know. And I have

990
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:36.639
an under quilt that goes under my hamming tackle, and yeah,

991
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:40.599
I'm like a taco. So you can hear them. They're

992
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:44.320
thundering down down the mountain and they're coming right at me.

993
00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:46.360
And I just yelled them. I said, here they come.

994
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:50.440
And I felt my undercuilt move as it went underneath

995
00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:53.559
my hammock and they went right by him and I

996
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:58.159
down the mountain, off off into the woods somewhere doing

997
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:03.559
the crazy. Yeah, it was nuts. I never had that

998
00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:05.639
ever in my life. I was like, you got to

999
00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:10.119
be kidding. It literally his hands. So that in itself,

1000
00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:13.960
it was a very excited night. The atmosphere was excited.

1001
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:18.440
The hyouts, the owls, that bigfoot screen. That was probably

1002
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:22.519
they never ever had any freaking on our side. Everything

1003
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:25.639
the weird. Most of the noises and stuff came from

1004
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:28.519
the farm side, which is to be expected because there's

1005
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:31.639
there's food over there for for every critter out there.

1006
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:35.519
Never on our side. But everything was happening on our

1007
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:38.360
side that that night. Yeah, it was the coyotes. So

1008
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:42.599
we got up that morning, we finished off the rope's course,

1009
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:44.880
we went back, we started packing up at the group

1010
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:47.280
leaves and we're and we're standing there, we're talking to

1011
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:50.320
each other, and all of a sudden, there's a tree. Yeah,

1012
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:52.519
there's a tree layer down. There has to be one.

1013
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:55.159
This is a full size oak tree that has a

1014
00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:57.679
full green candy. Yeah, it just fell over. It had

1015
00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:00.880
we had mixed even ninety feet across in the canopy.

1016
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:03.199
At least it's got all the leaves and it's like

1017
00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:06.039
a blowdown in a thunder. It just fell over, and

1018
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:08.880
all of a sudden you hear something coming through all

1019
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:12.719
of these leaves and these treemends and sticks, and it

1020
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.679
hits the ground and it's a rock the size of

1021
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:20.440
a candell pinball. And I went fifteen feet feet away

1022
00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:23.079
and part from us. I was like, what is that?

1023
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:25.800
And I just looked at it and the jet it's

1024
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:28.639
time to go. Yeah. And prior to that, we read

1025
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:31.559
we heard noises behind the tree, and we thought it

1026
00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:33.760
was just a deer kind of didn't even really give

1027
00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:36.239
it a second thought. But after you could hear that

1028
00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:38.840
rock come flying through and hitting all those branches all

1029
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:42.760
the way through it and then it landed and all

1030
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:46.320
of a sudden, that's probably one of the craziest ones.

1031
00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:49.119
Do you think it's because the other group left and

1032
00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:50.800
you guys are still hanging out.

1033
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:56.920
I think I think there's a symbiotic relationship with the

1034
00:55:57.039 --> 00:56:02.079
coyotes and maybe the owls. Bigfoot has been mimicking owls,

1035
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:04.719
and I have reports and No Purple that have Class

1036
00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:10.320
A sightings watching a bigfoot do it and making the sightings.

1037
00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:12.639
And he thought it was an owl. So we know

1038
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:16.639
the bigfoots make owl calls, so probably it's a camouflage

1039
00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:21.880
tactic and the coyotes. They might just work together. Coyotes

1040
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:24.480
might go get something. Big Boy walks and the owners

1041
00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:28.400
in Artland big footage the way doesn't say it happens

1042
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:30.960
on all their kills, but potentially on some of them.

1043
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:34.039
And that's why all three were together and all three

1044
00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:37.320
were excited. We had a bigfoot, well we believe a whistle.

1045
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:43.039
Hours before all this, the owls started up. Very uncanny,

1046
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:46.679
It was very It was very different the way they behaved.

1047
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:50.960
And the coyotes were from the top of the mountain

1048
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:52.760
all the way down like they had to kill. And

1049
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:55.639
it's kind of weird because generally around the kill they're

1050
00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:58.039
all in one area and they're making all that noise

1051
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:01.039
because they're excited. This is their excited and they're running

1052
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:03.440
like hell down the mountain and they're still yet. And

1053
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:06.400
I don't know if you've learned behaviors and stuff like that.

1054
00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:09.880
It was an odd behavior and that's what we notice now.

1055
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:13.280
So it was an odd behavior. All three behaviors were

1056
00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:17.079
at the same time. Is it linked together? Possibly? Maybe

1057
00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:20.679
the coyotes had something and the bigfoot wanted it and

1058
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:21.559
we interrupted it.

1059
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:25.679
Wow, that makes sense. Did you guys say, did you

1060
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:28.320
just say that you got to report where someone had

1061
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:33.519
seen a bigfoot mimicking an owl sound yep.

1062
00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:36.800
Right here in our camp. Wow. Yeah, I'm not going

1063
00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:39.880
to give his name, but he's a local here. He

1064
00:57:40.039 --> 00:57:42.920
called the police. Actually his first thing, he called the

1065
00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:47.000
police and made a report to the chief. Now I

1066
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:49.079
don't really know the chief at this time. I've been

1067
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:51.760
here five years, so this is all, you know, kind

1068
00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:53.639
of new to me. I don't really know the chief.

1069
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:56.559
So the chief comes up to me and says, Hi,

1070
00:57:56.679 --> 00:57:59.559
I'm the chief. Blah blah blah. I introduced myself, blah

1071
00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:03.400
blah bla. He says, I've got a punter that's got

1072
00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:06.880
a concern. He made a report, and I had already

1073
00:58:06.920 --> 00:58:09.559
seen this report on I think it was the BFROO

1074
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:14.199
site or something, and called the guy, talked to the guy,

1075
00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:16.920
and so when the chief came, I already knew what

1076
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:18.960
he was looking at. When he said I've got this

1077
00:58:19.159 --> 00:58:21.920
odd report I have to talk to you about. I said, oh,

1078
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:24.800
is it about bigfoot? And he says, oh, you know.

1079
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:29.119
I said, well, I don't know. Let's let's share stories

1080
00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:31.559
and see if we're talking about the same thing. So

1081
00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:34.440
the chief gave me his story, which turned out to

1082
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:37.159
be the same story. I heard from you know, the

1083
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:40.880
guy himself and he and his son were out in

1084
00:58:40.920 --> 00:58:43.280
the back of the property here, just a little ways

1085
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:46.679
away from my house, and he was down on the swamp.

1086
00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:49.360
His kid was up on the hill and he was

1087
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:52.239
hearing what I'm going to call the very the very

1088
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:56.280
white tone owl. It was a very low tongue owl.

1089
00:58:56.440 --> 00:58:59.320
It was too low to be the normal sound owl.

1090
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:01.880
If you've heard like I just did on you know,

1091
00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:06.039
that's an owl sound. It's not a you know. Now

1092
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:08.119
I add that a super low tone to it and

1093
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:10.800
put Barry White's voice on it. That's what it comes

1094
00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:13.800
out to me. So that's what this guy's describing to me.

1095
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:18.039
It's a very white sounding owl. That's what he's trying

1096
00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:21.440
to wrap my head around. This said. Okay, So anyways,

1097
00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:24.239
he calls his kid at the top of the mountain

1098
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:27.280
and he says, hey, are you doing that sound? Kid says, no,

1099
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:29.320
I thought it was you. He says, all right, let's

1100
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:31.119
get the heck out of here. So they come down.

1101
00:59:31.159 --> 00:59:33.280
They made it the stream. They walk up to the

1102
00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:36.000
quad and they're going to drive out, and on their

1103
00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:38.960
way out walking to the quad, Dad turns around and

1104
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:44.159
sees his bigfoot he thinks it's a bigfoot crossing just

1105
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:48.199
kind of walking across the path way down and he

1106
00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:51.440
sees this movement and this large object walking across the path,

1107
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:54.440
So he makes his report. The chief comes up, does

1108
00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:57.920
his report. I go back out there a couple days

1109
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:01.360
later with this guy with no real hopes of finding

1110
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:04.599
any evidence, and lo and behold. First off, this guy

1111
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:06.440
didn't want to go back. I had to go back

1112
01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:09.199
in the woods there myself. He would not go back

1113
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:12.239
with me. I went back to the spot, and I

1114
01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:16.199
came back with a picture of a dollar bill in

1115
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:20.960
a track, in a bigfoot track. This track was located

1116
01:00:21.159 --> 01:00:25.360
in the top of moss, this stuff called sphagnum mosque.

1117
01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:29.000
It's really spongy and really thick, and this bigfoot had

1118
01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:32.880
enough weight to compress it enough to keep a shape

1119
01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:35.440
in it to look like a foot where I put

1120
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:38.079
a full dollar in it, and it was probably I

1121
01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:41.559
want to say, fourteen to fifteen inches long, maybe maybe

1122
01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:44.800
a little bit bigger, but I didn't really tape it out.

1123
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:47.280
I put the dollar in it for reference, took the picture,

1124
01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:49.920
and I got out of there, and I went back

1125
01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:52.440
and I said, you know, I think I might have

1126
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:56.519
some verification for your story. And I showed him the

1127
01:00:56.639 --> 01:00:59.079
track where I found and say, that's exactly where I

1128
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:01.760
saw it. And when he said he saw it, you

1129
01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:05.400
could kind of where he was. You could you could

1130
01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:07.679
see that area where if it was a bigfoot, it

1131
01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:10.480
was down the if you're looking down a trail, it's

1132
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:12.760
kind of wooded on either side of the trail, and

1133
01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:15.320
you got this long hallway of trees sort of and

1134
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:17.360
this bigfoot crossing at the end of the hall. That's

1135
01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:19.960
what he said he saw, and and that's what I

1136
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:22.039
went down there and I saw a track, so I

1137
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:24.760
took it. It was a it's you know, rough sub

1138
01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:27.760
straight out here. It's leaves, it's oaks, it stirred, it's rocks,

1139
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:29.760
truly tough stuff. So it's hard to get a track.

1140
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:33.000
And this happened to this foot landed straight in the

1141
01:01:33.079 --> 01:01:37.800
middle of a sphagnum moss patch and it was just one.

1142
01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:41.519
We actually did find another one, but it was disturbance

1143
01:01:41.559 --> 01:01:44.119
in the leaves and it was five six feet away,

1144
01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:46.960
but couldn't really say that was a big point. But

1145
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:49.440
that's right here, you know, half mile not even a

1146
01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:50.440
half mile from my house.

1147
01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:53.679
Oh my goodness, bredible it's incredible. You have the rapport

1148
01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:56.320
like that with the local police chief where they're coming

1149
01:01:56.400 --> 01:01:56.880
to you too.

1150
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:02.320
Yeah. No, we're where we do the Russell Family Funday

1151
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:05.199
we're involved with that is the Cobble Mob Critter Project,

1152
01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:07.559
And like I said, next year we're going to be

1153
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:10.800
handing out pine trees and we're using their police badge.

1154
01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:14.119
They're putting our logo on their police badge and that'll

1155
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:16.760
be a fundraiser for pine trees so we can hand

1156
01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:20.280
those out and then we do Trunk or Treat. So

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01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:22.800
if there's anybody in Western mass looking to help out

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01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:26.800
with Trunk or Treat, that's October twenty first you check

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01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:29.159
it out on the Russell Police page. They want to

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01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:31.760
get some paranormal people out there, and you know, just

1161
01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:35.199
make it big and fun, that's all. So. Yeah, being

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01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:37.559
bigfoot and being in the community is the only way

1163
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:39.920
to get these people to talk to you. And you know,

1164
01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:42.000
you're not so new to them anymore, you're not so

1165
01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:45.440
scary anymore. You're just the bigfoot guys in Cumberland farms

1166
01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:46.119
getting a coffee.

1167
01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:50.079
I feel like that's a huge, huge lesson for people

1168
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:53.840
to learn that are listening about. Yeah, I mean, just

1169
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:57.639
be nice, help out with the community and stuff will

1170
01:02:57.679 --> 01:03:02.079
probably happen for you. Has been such a pleasure chatting

1171
01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:04.760
with you, Tim and Eric, And do you mind just

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01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:08.079
taking a few minutes to remind people how they can,

1173
01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:10.599
you know, keep up to date with what you're doing,

1174
01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:12.639
maybe talk about the festival. I don't know if the

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01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:14.960
festival is going to be back for year two, how

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01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:17.159
they can contact you and all that good stuff.

1177
01:03:18.679 --> 01:03:23.119
All right, well, that's a good question. For contacting us.

1178
01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:25.639
You can go to the Vogel Brothers Facebook page and

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01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:27.800
Eric and I are there. You just leave a message,

1180
01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:30.760
print out whatever you need to. That's the Vogel Brothers

1181
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:33.800
on Facebook. Then we have the Cobble Mountain Cruiter page

1182
01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:38.199
and that hosts our outdoor education mostly on that page.

1183
01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:42.320
And then we have the You'll see us on Instagram,

1184
01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:45.760
Oh yeah, Instagram and whatever it does. We don't We're

1185
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:48.440
really not a social media giant. We don't really any

1186
01:03:48.440 --> 01:03:52.760
and all that stuff having. We're more about research and

1187
01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:56.079
get boots on the ground stuff and then we are advertising.

1188
01:03:56.360 --> 01:03:59.559
So anyways, we'll probably change that down the road. But anyways,

1189
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:01.960
we also do the Coblon Mountain Creater Festival at least.

1190
01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:04.760
We did that last year. It turned out to be

1191
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:07.639
really great. We had a lot of rain in June.

1192
01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:11.280
We're looking to do it again. Yeah, right, we had

1193
01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:13.880
some rains, but we had you know, people came out,

1194
01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:17.199
they helped support it, which was really good. Yeah, for

1195
01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:20.440
a first time event out in western mass We had

1196
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:22.320
over three hundred people show up in the middle of

1197
01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:25.199
a rain poorner later the festival, So we were very

1198
01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:29.119
happy with those numbers. This year we might do not

1199
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:31.119
this year. We're going to set it up for next year.

1200
01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:34.199
I believe we're going to look we're changing up. We're

1201
01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:38.239
going to do a researcher rendezvous and we're inviting any local,

1202
01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:44.000
local meeting Northeast investigators research, you know through the East

1203
01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:47.280
coast Northeast. We want to talk with you. We're interested

1204
01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:52.280
about sharing information. We don't have a collective database where

1205
01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:54.079
we can go and do all this stuff at, so

1206
01:04:54.519 --> 01:04:56.679
we're going to provide a place. We're at the camp

1207
01:04:56.760 --> 01:05:00.159
here in Russell, Mass we have thirteen hundred acres, We've

1208
01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:02.519
got a huge building. I've got over one hundred and

1209
01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:04.360
fifty tents. If we do it at the right time

1210
01:05:04.360 --> 01:05:06.960
of the year, you can stay at so Anyways, we're

1211
01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:10.039
going to do a Researcher Rendezvoy, I believe in twenty six,

1212
01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:13.000
and then in twenty seven we're going to bring back

1213
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:18.360
the festival, and again the festival showcases new researchers, new

1214
01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:22.440
talent coming in people you're not going to recognize. Most likely.

1215
01:05:22.760 --> 01:05:26.280
Some people might their locals that they investigate locally for

1216
01:05:26.880 --> 01:05:29.599
but it's not a lot of big names, and these

1217
01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:32.280
people are boots on the ground and they're getting it

1218
01:05:32.400 --> 01:05:35.440
done and they deserve recognition, and there's not a lot

1219
01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:38.960
of platforms for these people to get recognition. So the

1220
01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:43.639
festival started in that vein to bring light to people

1221
01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:46.960
that didn't have big names and big money and things

1222
01:05:47.039 --> 01:05:50.079
like that. We're just people, you know, making it day

1223
01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:53.280
by day, having fun, spending our money, our own earnings

1224
01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:58.440
and our own time, chasing around Bigfoot and really that's it, guys.

1225
01:05:58.519 --> 01:06:00.800
I love it, you guys, you guys get it. It

1226
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:03.719
is so good talking to you guys, and that idea

1227
01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:07.559
for the future with the festival and the Researcher Rendezvous. Man,

1228
01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:12.519
you are on the right path. Keep going and just

1229
01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:14.559
thank you so much both to both you and Tim

1230
01:06:14.599 --> 01:06:17.960
and Ervogel for coming on the show and sharing what

1231
01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:21.679
you've experienced and what's going on out there in Massachusetts.

1232
01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:25.960
Hey, thanks for having us are I appreciate it? Looking

1233
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:26.920
forward to part two.

1234
01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:29.400
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01:06:29.639 --> 01:06:32.639
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01:06:32.719 --> 01:06:35.760
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01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:38.360
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01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:05.079
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1255
01:07:31.639 --> 01:07:34.559
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1256
01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:37.440
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