The Galloping Albino Beast of Agawam!

0:00 You're listening to Bigflett Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, Bicklett Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Carrie today. Carrie's a listener of the show that reached out to me about some things that have been experienced out there in Massachusetts. And always am interested to hear things that have happened in that state, as that's where I grew up. But Carrie, welcome to the show today. How's it going.

0:53 It's going great. How are you doing good? We're having a good day in Iowa. It's starting to get a little cooler, so you know, clear skies a year. It's great, it's great. We'll probably have corn mazes up before you know it. So we like that nice nice, so good stuff, good stuff. Great. Well, Carrie, it sounds like you've had some interesting things happen with you and your children over the years out there in Massachusetts. So you're welcome to take us back when you guys were experiencing the things that happened to you out there. Sure. Okay, this is back in two thousand and eight when this occurred, and I had forgotten about it. Honestly, I just didn't really think anything of it. And I was listening to one of your podcasts that you interviewed some guy Chris from Hamden. He grew up in Hamden, was talking about when he went to U Math and would go to his mom's on the weekend, and when he and a friend were going back to you mass on a Sunday, the sun was setting and they were on Route nine, like near Quabin, I think, and they saw a bigfoot go across the road. And further in that you had asked him, Hey, has anyone in your area that you know of have seen the same thing, and he was saying that some guy where his son is on his son's baseball team actually researches, Bigfoot goes

2:28 looking for it, and he told him of his experience, and the guy had told him that he had seen or he know someone that had seen an albino one. And that's what triggered my memory of what we saw in Agwon. So this was back in two thousand and eight and I lived like kind of near the river, and I was raising my two boys, and my youngest son, he was probably like thirteen at the time, and he told me and my older son that he had been looking out the living room window, which I had a huge backyard, and it abutted a park that had just been put in, like the first phase of the park was put in School Street Park, and he looked out the window and he said that you saw like an albino looking orange tang with its arms up in the air running across our yard.

3:28 And. It had its arms up like the way orangutangs run like that goofy run. He like imitated it and showed us. So my older son and I were like, okay, and we laughed about it. But you know, my son wasn't someone that would embellish stories or make things up, so I believe them, you know, And I just thought at the time, oh, well, maybe someone's exotic pet had gotten loose or something. So anyways, like a week later, I'm in the car with my older son and we're driving down School Street. We see the same exact monkey. It was an albino looking orangutang, but it was running on all fours like it was like galloping across School Street, and it was probably maybe fifteen feet in front of our car and it ran into like the wooded section on School Street, and we were like, oh my wow.

4:25 He wasn't kidding. He really did see this thing. So that's what triggered my memory is when the man mentioned that someone had seen a white sasquatch in the clob in, and then I listened to another podcast of yours where the guy that was living in Pelham with his girlfriend they saw as well in the clob in. So I don't know, you know, at the time, I thought, well, also not maybe that it was an exotic animal that got loose, maybe from Forest Park Zoo, but I never or remember Forest Park Zoo having an albino orang a thing. And just to make sure that I was jarring my memory correctly as far as the height, of this thing.

5:13 I asked my sons separately about it, and I said, all right, my youngest one, I asked him, how tall do you think the thing was? And he said only three feet? And then I asked my older son separately, you remember when we sat running across the street. He said yeah. I mean, I said, how tall do you think that was if we saw it standing up? And he said probably like three feet. So I'm going to go with that because I was thinking four to five feet. But if there's two out of three of us that are saying three feet, I'll go with what they remember, and I can send you like I'll emil you after, like a map of the area. It's not like heavily wooded with which is another thing I think, like that's really strange, like because I didn't ever hear of any neighbors or anyone else seeing this thing either, which was weird.

6:09 You know, I don't know's that's what our experience was, and your podcasts jarred my memory about it. And I've always been like interested in Bigfoot since I was little and not sure like if I believe in it or not, but I don't know. I've been on a kick lately listening to podcasts, and I am like a thousand percent convinced they're real. There's just too many sightings. And now with you know, people having cameras on their cell phone, you're actually seeing footage that you can tell is not AI or by people's reaction that there's something here, this is real. You know. Another thing that I thought was interesting too. I was listening to a podcast a few days ago, and I don't know if you ever heard of Nino from Anno's Corner, but he had this guy on called Steve on how to Hunt and sure, yeah, oh you know who he is? Yeah, okay, well he was on Nino's podcast. They were talking about bigfoot, and they were talking about the cloaking issue, and Steve said, you know, like there's been times that people see handprints, their fingerprints on their cars or on stuff, and it's always oily, or people that have obtained hair samples say it's like oily. So this Steve guy, you couldn't remember

7:43 who the scientist was that took the hair and put it in a peach tree dish and put it like under a microscope and he squeezed the follicle of the hair and oil started coming out and when he ended up putting like an electromagnetic field to it, it turned translucent. So I found that interesting. And he said another thing that kind of connects to that is he said that people had reported when they use EMF detectors around them and if they know they're around them or sightings, they say that the EMF detectors go off. Yes, it's I found interesting.

8:27 Oh yeah, you heard of that, So I've heard of the EMF stuff. I had not heard that other saying where there was oil coming out of the hair, which that's pretty cool. I would be interesting to listen to that. If anyone has a link for that specific interview, they maybe put it in the comments. But yeah, that's really really interesting stuff. I have a few questions or maybe comments about what you guys saw on IGUAM. It's so interesting because a lot of people listening, if you're familiar with Massachusetts, are going to be like, but that's in the middle of Springfield, which is one of the biggest cities in Massachusetts. But I would say I would say to these guys that are saying that, look at the map and then look at other similar things that have happened in other large cities, such as the sightings in Omaha that are happening by the zoo. In this situation, you're right across the Connecticut River from the zoo in Forest Park, which is what you've already mentioned. This also is happening. Sightings are happening down in Kansas City, Missouri, in a at least one house area that is close to

9:58 the green space that has the zoo in it as well. So there's maybe this pattern that is starting to arise where there's sightings that are happening in larger cities. If there's a green space slash zoo with animals, it's very very weird. But even weirder still is that, you know, because I looked up real quick because I was curious. You know, what's the height of an orangutan if it's running an adult female? It says an adult female is about three point three to four feet tall, an adult male is four to five feet I think that's very interesting. I might actually even give them a call after this, just to check on some things. But as you stated yourself, I mean, it sounds like you didn't see any escaped animals in that time in the news or anything like that, right.

10:55 No, nothing. No, and I you know, because and it did occur. I thought about it, like, h have I ever heard of, you know, an albino orangutang at Forest Park? And I hadn't, and I don't. I don't remember back in two thousand and eight if there was Google, the Google stuff, so I then I if there was, I would have Googled it, you know. But yeah, I don't remember if Google was available back then or not. But yeah, yeah, And you know, I wanted to ask you this too. I remember. I think you interviewed the guy who lived in Pelham right with his girlfriend that saw the white stop squatch and Clobin. Oh yeah, So during that podcast you did tell him that you also had heard from another person that said said a white looking orangutang and you asked him if he had ever heard of anybody.

11:49 So do you remember what town that was from or or were you thinking it was me that reported it to you? Well, let's see, so the gentleman there's the route is south of the Kabbin around Swift River, that one you mentioned, and then there was a recent one I did where there was a gentleman who's also written a book, and that was around uh that was around Pelham. Yeah, he mentioned the actual there's a big peninsula there too, some things happening around that, the Prescott Peninsula is what it's called. There's some footprints found around there. I mean, I've actually heard things all around the Cobbin. It's just there's certain things that I really can't get into, but I can say I've heard stuff east of just east of the Coabbin and maybe other places as well. So, I mean, there's so much forest around that reservoir, as you know, I think there's actually that's all around the entire thing.

12:57 Yeah, oh no, no doubt, no doubt. So there's like stuff that people have told you that you can't talk about. Yeah, I so just to kind of behind the scenes thing. I never there's about half the stuff I hear is stuff that people just want to talk to me about, and they are very concerned about even having their voice out there, even if it's an alias, which is totally understandable. But yeah, there's there's some things that I just tuck away in the back of my mind and if they ever get to the point where, you know, they want to come on the show, that's perfectly fine. But uh, yeah, there's there's stuff all around the coab And besides, you know, I'm starting to put together a siting map on on the website of things that I've been told on the show at Big for Society podcast dot com. And really there should be dots all around the reservoir. It's just not all this public.

13:55 So yeah, and it makes sense, like you said, because the area is so vast, and you know, this is where I do feel bad, like think about it. You know, people come across this stuff where they probably don't believe in it to begin with, and then you're scared about coming across this, and then people think you're a whack job when you share the story of it, you know, and this flips people's reality upside down, you know, like that that's setting for people, you know like it because I do truly believe there's been so many people that have experienced it. And it's not just throughout the United States.

14:36 I mean there's reports all over the world, you know, like Vietnam. Our Vietnam soldiers talked about rockets, you know, boulders. It just so it just seems like these things have existed or forest people some people want to call them forest people, And I find it interesting where some say that U some are good and some are bad, just like the human race. You know. Yeah. Absolutely. Another interesting thing about your area looking at it is if you just go west, or not just west, but a fair amount not too bad over to Grandville.

15:18 There's a ton of activity in Grandville over by the Cobble Mountain area. I don't know if you're familiar with that. Oh yeah, it's and I mean that's just outside of Westfield. So if you kind of look, I mean they could go south of Westfield and then there's there's Robinson State Park, you know, so there's in a way kind of a connecting green space if you hop through some neighborhoods. But it's just it's so interesting that area of Massachusetts. You know, before you get over into the Berkshires, there's still stuff that goes on just outside of Westfield in Springfield. Oh yeah, absolutely, one podcast I saw it. This would be someone you probably would really like to interview. Have you heard of Ernie de Vow.

16:04 Yeah, that's actually that is. I had him on the show. It's a fascinating account with the sign language and everything. It's episode eighty. If people want to listen to that. But no, it was a really fun time chatting with him, and his account is intense. Oh it's so intense. I can't even imagine how he was feeling like experiencing that. And it's convincing. You know. You could tell the guy's not making it up because I've listened to him tell his story twice, you know, and nothing changes over the story. You know. The Volgel Brothers are coming on soon, which they are the ones I believe that that created the Cobble Mountain Critter Festival that just started up last year, So we'll probably be talking about that area again pretty soon. So that'd be awesome.

17:00 Oh that's cool. Now are they the two that it was in the seventies? There were prints in their backyard and the prince led. I believe, so. I know they because there are there. I think they had an experience in New York as well. Yeah, oh, okay, because I don't know who the brothers are, but I heard of these brothers that I don't know if they lived in West Springfield at the time or whatever, but it was in the mid seventies. And it's funny because when I listened to that podcast, I remember my parents talking about it. When I was a kid. I was probably only like ten years old at the time, and they claimed that they followed the prince into aguam into Robinson State Park and I think there was snow on the ground at the time. And then they said it was a big like media storm at the time, and you know, they think that people like from either the FBI or somewhere like showed up at their house like questioning them and stuff about it. But I mean, this was like mid seventies, you know, when people really needn't talk about this stuff.

18:21 But yeah, interesting, I did do a quick search about that, and it looks like you are right on the money with that. Yeah, it was nineteen seventy six, so we'll definitely, I bet we'll be hearing about that in a few weeks. But yep, Robinson State Park. So that's good to know. This could definitely, you know, connect to that future interview as well. Now I want to double check something with you. So it was just your kids that had the sighting or you as well me as well. Okay, the first one to see it was my younger son and we like laughed about it. But then a week later, my older son was in the car with me.

19:04 We were on School Street and it ran on all fours like, it was galloping like fast across School Street. It was just in front of my car, and it went into the woods like from where the park would be where School Street Park is, and it ran across School Street into like where there's this wooded area that if you look on a map, it's not a very big wooded area. But eventually, like you could this thing or whatever probably could like venture towards Connecticut. It's on the border of Connecticut. Agum, you know. Yeah, So I don't And when you get over to Connecticut that way there is like a lot of farm land and woods, So I don't know. I'm sure if they don't want to be seen, they know how to truk through woods to not be seen.

19:53 You know absolutely when you had that sighting in front of your car, So did you have a view then, like a side view or a back view or what kind of view? Did you actually have. A front view? It was in front of the car. We were driving down School Street, okay, and it ran it will whatever on all fours, galloped like across the across the street, and it was fast, but it was it was all white like an albino. So I mean it verified it, and I, you know, I believed my younger son anyways, he wasn't like a kid that would make stuff up. When my my older one and I saw it, we were just like, wow, that's what he saw.

20:43 Absolutely, and so that's interesting. So you have that straight on a view. So what you saw then, would you say it was like one hundred percent what you've seen in pictures of an orangutan or were there are things that you noticed that were a little bit different and maybe didn't really line up with an orangutan in some ways? No, I would say the body shape and everything was like an orangutang, or the length of the arms or you know, and the thing is like my older one and I saw it in a different position where the younger one he saw it running like an orangutang would with his arms up in the air, like that goofy type of run they have. You know, Yeah, I would say, because it wasn't like it wasn't huge, you know, it was like of a thinner stature. It wasn't wasn't huge like how people would describe like a bigfoot or something more like an orangutang.

21:47 Absolutely did it on its face? Did it have large flesh pads and like where the cheeks would be or were those not pressed? And I just I really couldn't tell you because it is in two thousand and eight, you know. And yeah, and plus it happened so fast, like be able to really observe details like that, it would be hard, you know, because it did this thing was fast. Absolutely. The only the only reason I asked that is it might be an interesting clue as to you if it was a male or female, as in that species, at least the males do look pretty different than females because of that feature to the face.

22:45 So oh really yeah. Just uh you take a minute, take a minute after this, look up some pictures and it's it's very interesting. You know, usually male and females of the species look different, but in this case, like they do look quite quite a bit different, especially if you've ever seen him at the zoo and you have like the you know, the the big older male and just like that really round face because of the it's just very round looking in the two little beady eyes in the center. It's it's pretty cool. Uh. They are so amazing to watch. I love watching him at the Omaha Zoo. It's they are so so smart, but.

23:27 Wow, yeah, and they have characteristics of us. Oh so now I'm kind of getting more where you were trying to get at. If I saw a front view, I saw a side view of the animal because he was running in front of the car across the street, so I would have saw a side view of its head, you know what I mean. But I didn't like focus so much on its head because I also at the time, I was like, wow, look at this, Like what am I right? That's cool, It's so good. But I'll tell you one thing I recently saw too, like probably a year ago in Alabama, I saw an albino peacock, which was weird. I didn't even know they existed, and I had to google that, like did I really just see what I just saw? And they are? They exist?

24:16 So I don't know if it's someone because there's a lot of farmland north of Pensacola if you go into Alabama, okay, and you know, maybe someone just has an exotic peacock on their farm or something. But it's one of those things where where you never know. But your story is really neat for a few reasons. One of them is, as we mentioned before, in the you know this area of Massachusetts, you know now Springfield up to the coabb and there's these just reports of white creatures or white bigfoot and they look a little different, but that is that is a pattern as well. And you know, people that are listening to this, they may stumbled onto it because they it's an Aguwam or Springfield, Massachusetts, and that's kind of unique. But you know, for new listeners, I did grow up in Franklin County, which is up you know, Northfield, and one of my goals with this podcast is hopefully someday someone will have some experience they can share from that area. I think it would be really cool to talk to someone about a Northfielder or that area. That's kind of a personal goal for me.

25:32 But yeah, have you a child grown up there? Have you? Did you hear any reports? Has anyone seeing stuff? No? No. So the funny thing is, like I used to watch weird shows with my dad, right like in search of and stuff. I thought I wasn't really into it, you know, so I missed out all a lot. I only got into it in my probably like mid maybe mid to late twenties. I don't know. Time gets Oh, it was just I was in Iowa and we found out about a local cryptid out here that.

26:16 Flies. It flew around a town called Van Meter in the early nineteen hundreds, and so I got into that. I got involved with a documentary that was being filmed by small town Monsters, and they at the last minute they had me do the interviews for it, and I was like, I really like this like a lot. I'd never done interviewing before and I was like, I love this, and so that gifted well, thank you, thank you. I'd never done it before. Then. This was back in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, and so. Yeah. After that, I was like, yeah, let's start my own thing and started a podcast and it worked out really well because it was the next year was when people couldn't leave their houses, so it was easy to get a hold of people. But it didn't transfer over to bigfoot stuff one hundred percent until probably a year and a half to two years ago. And then I decided to focus one hundred percent on talking to witnesses that had seen what they think is Bigfoot or something similar in giving them an area to share what they've experienced, and that's been I mean, that's just a whole different rabbit hole. And I've been able to go to Oregon and all sorts of places and have weird stuff happens.

27:36 Oh that's cool. Good for you. Now when I've looked at some stuff too. What are they called BFRORO or the Bigfoot Research Association or something or BFRORO. Yeah, yeah, I saw that they say that like the most sightings, credible sightings have been in Washington State. Do you agree with that? Well, you know, so BFROUS or Bigfoot Field Researchers or organization, great organization, because you know they're one of the ones where they're putting everything on a map and documenting, which is great. I don't know, so I would say I agree with them that if we're saying that Washington is the place with the most reports, yeah, totally. I don't know about most credible. I think you can have credible reports from I mean really anywhere in the US. There's nothing I think from Hawaii. But other than that, I mean you can have credible reports from anywhere. In my opinion, the most reports, I would say definitely it's going to be in Washington State. From what I've seen, so I would agree with that. But yeah, they do. They do a lot of work, so they're good.

28:56 So yeah, it's good that people are researching it because this is another thing that kind of bothers me too, is why is it being hidden? You know, think about that because I've also heard like an Eastern Texas if you come across them, you're considered lunch, like you gotta be careful. So you know, why is this being hidden where it could actually be a danger for people that want to go hiking or think about the Appalation Trail, how they say people go missing all the time. You know, like what, I don't understand why this is being hidden? I agree with you that it does a lot of times.

29:39 It feels like there are people that no more than they're letting on. And I think we are at a point over the last few years, and this is because you know, thankfully there are a lot of different shows that are focusing on this. And the way I I look into it is if you keep putting stuff into a bathtub, eventually it's just going to overflow and you can't control it, right, It's just going to be everywhere. That's what I kind of picture is you know, you've got all these different shows and you're getting these actual like when you have interviews and you're actually interviewing a witness, and it's like very like it's a very truthful account because the person is actually sharing it. It's not like a you know, you also have like people send in reports and they can be read, which is great, but I think actual audible interviews are good as well from the witness. And I think if we keep going with that, eventually more and more people are just going to be more comfortable, like, oh I can share now, It's okay.

30:46 Everyone's doing it. I've seen that happen over the last few years. I think it's a really important thing that people realize that hey, it's okay to share what happened. I'm not going to be looked at as crazy anymore. I'm not going to lose my job. That there's something to it. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah. So yeah, I'll tell you when I even when I talk to people that I believe in it now that I kind of get laughed up to, you know, like there's still people that are. Like, no way, oh I do too. It's I think it's not as much as it back in the day. But I've had a few people that kind of just walk away, which is fine, that's you know, how they want to react to it. But I'm having a good time learning a lot, and I enjoy talking to people like yourself, Carrie. But you know, thank you so much for sharing what you experienced back there in two thousand and eight, you and your kids, and it's just another interesting thing to know about Massachusetts and connect some dots.

31:48 And just thank you for coming on the show today. Oh you're welcome. Thank you for Collin and interviewing me. And keep up the good work. You're awesome. I'd love the work you do. Thank you so much, Carrie. Hey, if anything else ever happens out there or you hear anything where you're at, feel free to reach out and I'd love to check in with you. So okay, thanks Jeremiah, take care you two, goodbye. Quick follow up for this interview was able to reach out to the zoo across the Connecticut River about if they've had a white or albino orangutan, and I got the following information back. The zoo has never had in orangutan, and we are unaware of any surrounding zoos that have had an orangutan or any albino primates. Best of luck in your research.

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