The Other Camper's Story! | Washington

0:00 You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. Three two one, I pick the society. You've got the privilege of talking to Ted today. This will be this will be a fun one, especially fun one for me. And this is because I love the ones that you think are never going to happen. Ted is the individual from episode six point twenty eight, the other guy at dead Man's Lake. So if you in Washington, if you've heard that episode where there was another gentleman at the lake during the encounter, this is Ted. So Ted, I was so pumped when I saw your email and I was like, oh my goodness. The guy actually he reached out and I was like, this guy will never reach out, He'll never hear it. So ted a few other things about you. First, you're also an avid fly fishermen, and you're going around the Pacific Northwest. I would imagine doing your thing there, and it's just a it's a

1:31 pleasure to have you on the show. How are you doing today, sir? I'm doing well. Yeah, I've there for twenty years. I was piking into different lakes around western Washington, southwestern Washington in particular Oregon in the Oregon Cascades and fly fishing small lakes. And that's how I got pike it into dead Man's Lake. Let's see, it was this was, like I said, twenty years approximately twenty years ago. It was two thousand and four. It was September and. The elk season, bow elk season in Washington was underway, and I decided I was going to go and hike into dead Man's Lake.

2:18 And then there's another lake nearby called Vansen Lake and fish both of those. On the trail. Going in, I ran into the person and his son from the other episode and we had a nice conversation. We ate a whole bunch of huckleberries because they were nice and ripe, but there on top of the ridge, and he told me that they were camped down there by the lake, and they were. They were at where the trail breaks off the main goat Mountain trail and goes down to the lake. They were camped right there, and so I passed their camp and went down and camped at the lake. I did some fishing, like I said I was going to do. I went walked around. I saw a lot of sign of elk down at the water, so I knew there were lots of elk around. I went over and did my fishing until it got oh almost dark, made my way back to camp, had dinner, and this is where my story begins. It's a little different than Freddy's, but for the most part it's it's pretty pretty accurate what he said. I'm also a musician here in the Portland area. I've been a musician for most of my adult life, you know, playing bars and stuff. But often that this is sitting at the lake, and I was just I just finished dinner and it was that twilight kind of almost dark but not quite there yet, and

3:49 I was sitting watching the lake and oft in the distance very faintly. I could hear this. All I could say was a howl. It It sounds like a ghost that you know. Where it went up and pitch and it hung out on that pitch that high pitched for a while and then dropped off kind of like a like a bell graph. I heard that, and it was way way off in the distance, very faint, and I remember sitting there going, I wonder what that was, And I didn't think too much of it. I stayed up for maybe a half hour longer. It's probably nine o'clock, and I went, I went the tent, let's see and then and I fell asleep almost immediately woke up to a scream that was not far from where I was camped.

4:44 And that was the same scream that I had heard earlier, but just an incredible amount of volume. Woke me up right out of a dead sleep and startled me pretty good. You could almost it sounded like as a scream was going on. It went up to a high pitch and then dropped off and had a kind of a low vibe to the end of it, kind of like I would kind of think of it maybe sounded like a pipe organ or something where it had multiple tones in it. The main tone was that high screen, but then it had some lower tones in there, and it was really really odd. I never heard anything like it before. It got me riled up. This was at eleven, approximately eleven thirty at night. Got me up. I stayed up for a couple of hours after that. I had my tent was open, and I was looking around just to see I wanted to see if I could see anything. But after that, how I had two owls that were near my camp that were calling back and forth to each other.

5:57 It sounded like and they were just doing a per They weren't doing the uh the hoo cooks for you call they were doing and just a purchase sound. And that went on for for a little while. That went on for maybe half an hour. After this, the scream in my tent, you know, in the tent area, And yeah, that's so I listened to the owls I got Eventually I got back to sleep. I woke up. I set my alarm on my on my watch. Back then now i'd used my phone, but back I set the alarm on my watch and woke up at five and was still trying to figure out what I had heard that night.

6:38 I packed everything up, put in my backpack, went down to the lake, looked around as it started getting light, looked around to see if I could see anything, and then I just got out of there because I was I was pretty freaked out. And as far as Freddy and his son, I didn't even know they were back up on the at the lake. I thought they had gone down to there. He said he had a trailer down at the at the horse camp, and I thought they went down there to spend the night down there and get because it was kind of the weather wasn't great. It was a little rainy, it was cold. I thought maybe we'd get some snow. There was some ice on the tent when I woke up in the morning at five. So but I did. I walk past her camp and I got out of there at first light. And he had mentioned in his story that he looked up as he got up, he looked up and I was gone. Yeah, I was gone. It was pretty terrified to hear that and not know what it was. That's about my story.

7:37 So that's wild. How far away from Freddy's campsite were you again, We're. Probably I don't know. He said two hundred yards, and that's probably about right. It was probably, you know, at least two hundred yards. He was up on the hill above the lake a little bit, and I was down at the there's a hole horse camp down there where they had as a little meadow area off to the side where the horses get out, and they just kind of put them in out there in that in that meadow area, and that's where I camped. I camped right there because that and there had been horses there. You could tell, you know, there's horse goop all over and all that good stuff. But but yeah, that's that was probably about two hundred yards.

8:27 Did you notice anything weird on the way out from that camp your your hike out of that area. I didn't notice anything odd coming out. I did. I did pause at the top and ate some more huckleberriers. They were really they were perfectly right, but that that time of the year, I think they were a little late, but they were. I picked a bunch of them. They were about the size of quarters that were huge, and I just remember eating those going out. See, I've been up in that air area a few times since then. It did close when I got out of there. About a week later, they closed the access roads to that area down because the volcano became active, and that was between that September. Well, I wrote it down, it's September twenty third of two thousand and four to approximately sometime in two thousand and eight. It never said what month, but I and that's why I couldn't get back in there because I live in Portland and to get back in there and had to drive all the way around and go in from Randall to get to that area, and it just it just was too far of a drive.

9:40 It was a couple hundred miles to do it that way. So with those roads closed down because of the volcano, I couldn't get back in there, but I wanted to get back in there and try to figure out what I had heard and something. Since that experience, it's it really changed the way I the way I fish, the way I camp, the way I do anything. I've always got my head on a swivel. I've always you know, It's it's I'm always aware of my surroundings and I'm always looking to see if something's sneaking up on here or something. And it's just changed how I do stuff. It's I don't I don't solo backpack anymore. I used to do that all the time, and I've done it a couple of times since then, and I don't I don't get any sleep, so it's not really worth going out and doing. But yeah, it's it's it was. It was pretty traumatic and changed pretty much how I do everything.

10:40 I do a lot more car camping now than I used to and stuff like that. But yeah, I can definitely imagine why. For sure, you also have a you told this account to the BFRO correct correct. Yeah, on that account, it looks like the investigator says that you had reminded the sound reminded you of a sound that you've heard gibbons make. Is that something that has changed over the year years with the way you remember it or do you do you still feel like that's a pretty good representation.

11:22 I think it's it was pretty much the first time I heard it. It did that that where crescendo's up and you know the bellgraph thing like I said, that goes up and up on the pitch. It's like those crazy videos you see on YouTube and stuff where the gibbon it does that crazy thing. You know. It was kind of like that when it went up to that high pitch and then it from there. It stayed on that high pitch for quite a while. I was probably I don't know, six seven seconds, eight seconds before it dropped off. But yeah, it's it was kind of like that that beginning. It is the only thing I could think of at the time. He asked me, if I had, you know what I had could compare it to, and that's what I.

12:11 Told him, gotcha, gotcha, you have a really interesting viewpoint of it because also you have that musician's background, so you really get sound in a way that a lot of us probably wouldn't get. Did hearing that sound? Did that affect you physically in any way while it was going on? Well, it terrified me. I actually was in my tent shaking. The only weapon I had with me. You know, I normally don't carry anything with me, but I have I had carried a knife with me, but that was the only thing I had as far as you know, and that's a utility knife. I use it for splitting wood and everything. You know, it's it's not a defense a defensive knife at all. That's so now, you know, not having any kind of weapon or anything up there was you know, it did terrify me. It wasn't to the point where I got up and left right away. Ol Freddy said that he thinks that I got up and left right away, but I didn't. I was there till five am and then I packed up. But yeah, it was I normally do that when I go back back into a lake, and I would go in and then i'd get up at five and i'd kind of watch the you know, sunrise and see if there were any fish feeding and stuff like that. So that's just kind of how I used to do things.

13:37 Gotcha at any point, did you notice anything around that campsite that was out of you know, it wasn't ordinary. Maybe there are big impressions in the ground, or they're broken trees or bent over trees or or anything weird like that. You know, in two thousand and four, I didn't know to look for that kind of stuff like tree snaps and stuff like that, or wood knocks. I would have just assumed a wood knock was just something falling off a tree as far as any of that stuff goes. Yeah, I wasn't. I was. I liked bigfoot, you know, the whole idea of bigfoot. I grew up on a family that my dad used to take us out on drives in the woods, you know, and we call it looking for Bigfoot, you know. We go off and just drive around on gravel roads up around like Esticada and areas like that back in the seventies. But yeah, it's I never really I did. There was an area, like I mentioned earlier. It was like a pasture area, not pasture, just a little meadow area off the side of the lake, and it had been trampled down. But I just assumed that had been trampled down by the horses. I didn't, you know, I didn't. I did make a little trip around on the sand. That whole area around the lake is a sandy pumus rock type stuff, and any animal

15:07 that walks on leaves a track. So I did walk around a little bit of the lake. I did find where some cow el could come down and gotten some water, probably during the night. I didn't see him in the morning, but I may have heard them off in the in the woods. But yeah, I don't remember seeing anything. I did go out looking for footprints to see if I could see any big Foot footprints, but that is really the only thing, you know, I knew of at the time that they would leave. So it's a really interesting detail how as a child in your younger years you went out with your father in an extremely active area. Estakida is absolutely bonkers, and I know that from experience, and you went out with your father, which is really really cool. You know, you're driving around, you're looking for stuff. I have a few questions about that, I guess the main one is, so you have that time in your life where you're like, okay, bigfoots out here. But was this dead Man's Lake area the instance there? Was that the first time that it became very real for you and you experienced it, or was there another time earlier where it's like, oh, this is real.

16:22 I had one other time in my life where I had something happen as a kid, and after, you know, after years of thinking about it, I'm assuming that that's probably something. It was. It was up in the Olympic National Forest and we had hiked in. I was a group leader guy and he would bring three or four kids and we'd hike into these lakes and we went to there was a series of three lakes out in the in the national stup there on the Olympics called Mildred Lakes, and we had hiked in and we were camping at the We were camping at one of the lakes, and it was about, you know, midnight, one o'clock in the morning, and we all woke up to this thing screaming across the across the lake at us, and nobody knew what it was. And the guy, the adult who was with us, he says, Oh, it's got to be an elk. It's got to be an elk, And so we just, oh, okay, we just all assumed it was an elk. But you know, think looking back on that, that's probably the first time I had anything that was really weird as far as, you know, something vocalizing at me.

17:45 But yeah, other than that, that was probably the first the first time I never did we never did see anything. When when my dad and I and you know, we would go out and drive around the roads, we were just exploring. I never I don't know, you know, we'd get out of the car and stuff, but a lot of times it was just to go up and fish for listeners. Mildred Lakes they are it looks like they're north of Lake Cushman, which has come up on the show a lot of times, so we know that areas. I mean, being in the Olympics, it's it's highly active, but being not too far away from Lake Cushman, it looks like it's definitely definitely an active area. What you heard that those screams, were they similar to what you heard then at dead Men's Lake or would you say they were different in a way.

18:38 They were shorter, they weren't a long howl. But it was just like something was screaming, just like at us and it was from across the lake. But but and it went on for five minutes or something like that, so it was a longer duration of this and it was more than one yell. I guess what I heard at dead Man's was that drawn out how sound? And I just heard the dead Man's I just heard it the one the one time in camp. I didn't hear it. I know Freddy said something about hearing it like yelling at him, yelling at his tant which may have happened.

19:19 I just was because it must have gone up that way. But yeah, that's the howls were different from the from the Olympic Peninsula one Olympic fourcete. I do want to also point out for listeners that the main So I'm just going to ask you, so, what was the main reason that you were going to dead Man's Lake for that time? I was actually going to go up, I was. I know the report said one night, but I was actually going to go up for two nights. And I was going to fish dead Man's Lake the first day and then go over to Vanson Lake, which is maybe two miles away, and fish that and camp there the second night.

20:04 And never made it to Vance and I took a right went back to my car. Absolutely. So that's that's a reminder where I'm sure a few listeners had heard that Olympic National Forest infoman like, oh, this guy is actually a big for research, but that's not what he was at dead Men's like for he was there just to do fly fishing. He's an avid fly fisherman. So I want to make sure the listeners are aware of that. Now, would your father ever tell you stories about Bigfoot activity in the Estacada area? Then no, I don't know if my dad was a believer in Bigfoot or not. I don't I remember him having us all sit down and watching the Patterson Gimlin thing when that was on TV as small kids, you know.

20:58 But I don't know if he you thought it was a guy in a suit, or if he thought it was a real deal or you know. I never really asked him about it, and he he passed away before I had a chance to. You know, this happened after he'd already passed, so I never had a chance to talk to him about it. Gotcha. Have you ever heard any accounts from the Estacada area yourself? I, personally, I haven't had any. I've heard other other people's accounts on the BFRO and stuff. There's some recordings from up in that area of of how I know, Uproaring River area up going up to Rock Lakes, a lake serene in that area. That is supposed to be a good area to go and look around, but I haven't. I haven't done that in years. It's last time I was at Rock Lakes was probably back early two thousands. Let's see. I know there's shell Rock Lake has had some some activity up there, but it's a pretty active area up in this part of the Mount Hood National Forest. I've been camping up near Timothy Lake in that by not far from Mount Hood, and that area seems to be. There's a lot of sign I found a I actually found a footprint and I

22:30 showed it to my wife. I found some if you believe in tree structures. I found a tree structure that was a big cross that had been it obviously had been set up. The trees weren't from that area. And then I went up a week later and one of the pieces was missing. So I don't know what that means, but it it had been moved. It wasn't around on the ground either that the cross had been because I thought a picture of it, and then it went back and it, well, it's missing the other part you know where to go. And I was with my wife on that trip and I showed her the picture. Then we were looking at it, going, I have no idea what's going on here?

23:14 That's wild? That shell rock shell Rock Lake area that you're talking about. I mean, that's you probably took two twenty four to get there, right. Yeah, okay, yeah, and then yeah and then fifty seven I think it is the road going up to it. Then it's fifty eight off. Of that or absolutely to to make sure listeners, So what's going on there is So this is the Oregon Bigfoot Highway. That two twenty four is the Oregon Big Fight Highway from the book that goes from Sticada down to Detroit. So he is talking about an area where it's it's north of Ripplebrook in a little bit east it looks like but yeah, extremely extremely active area. And you can get that book if you want our read more reports from that area. Now, going back to Deadman's like for a few minutes, you know, Freddy's son had had the actual visual of a of what he says he saw a face. Now, I just want to double check during Yeah, during your interactions there, yours were all you're just hearing things correct, correct.

24:22 Yeah, it was just all audio. He Yeah, he said it looked like an alien. That would have creeped me out to see that peeking at me from around a log or whatever. Yeah, it's it's a weird pattern that is kind of slowly coming out. I mean there's other Oregon reports where you hear that, and I'm thinking specifically about the Cottage Grove area. I've talked to two gentlemen from two different i mean nineties and more recent where they see something that looks like an alien in that area. You know, that's further south in Oregon, but there's there's some weird, weird stuff going on. Also, what kind of fish did you end up catching from that lake?

25:08 From Dead Men's Yeah? Mostly, Well it was brook trout, Okay, Yeah, they had stocked at it some time with brook trout. So and then I see I'd fished Vansen before and that was rainbow so I could either catch brook trout or rainbow trout. So I was going to do the two different types of fish. Absolutely. So you've got berries and you've also got the trout, and so you have definitely some food sources going on there at the time that you were there. I just wanted to double check and get your thoughts on it. What you heard when you were up there? Is there any chance that that could have been an elk? What you heard?

25:55 No? Actually, you know, I've been around elk for for years. I was avid elk hunter for for many years. But you know, I've heard bugles, grounts, chuckles, you know, every every sound that they they make. I've heard them when they're when their voices are hoarse from from bugling, and they sound kind of almost like a frog. I mean, they they I've heard a lot of elk in my in my ears, and I know it wasn't an elk. I would have loved to have been an elk because I wouldn't be thinking about a bigfoot every time I go in the woods. But absolutely, the sounds of the area up by that lake, outside of the things you were hearing, what were the other sounds that you were hearing in that area.

26:46 Besides the howl I mean the owls or the well I had the owls that were that were cooling back and forth, and that was near my camp. That was that was pretty close to where I was at, So I don't know how close I was looking around in the I had my flashlight. I was looking around in the trees, but I couldn't I couldn't see any eyes, so and I know their eyes shined when you hit them with a flashlight. I think that I did hear some what sounded like stomping. It was off away from from where I was, but it just sounded like something was just stomping like it was mad, is what I was assuming, but just found and then it did that for maybe ten seconds, but it was like it was getting further away from here. It wasn't very loud. I don't know if that's what it was, or if it was if it was beating on something or you know, or what it was. But that's what that's what I was thinking at the time. I was thinking, yead, it sounds like stomping.

27:50 Oh, that's interesting. What what time of day did that happen at? That was during that howl event? That was after the thing it howled in the camp? Ye, and it was. It was a few minutes after that, and I heard that And I couldn't tell which direction it was coming from or anything else. It was just I could hear it in the distance. Gotcha. Would you ever go back to that that area? I've been back there a few times. I've been back to dead Man Lake three or four more times after that, and I've gone back there with audio recorders and you know, cameras and anything else, and of course you take the stuff with you. You don't you know, hear or see anything.

28:38 So but yeah, I've been back in that area a few times. Okay, so this is very interesting. So you're going back not with the motivation to fish this time, you're seeing if you can capture evidence of what happened it. Yeah, like I said, it's changed how I do things in the woods. I don't go out and you know and do the fishing lakes like I used to. It's a lot of it is just going around looking for, you know, something that would you know, like a sign of like a track or a broken stick, you know, the broken tree snaps or or something like that. You know that might be indication of a bigfoot. That's it's really changed how I how what I do in the woods.

29:25 And maybe not for the better because I I, you know, I sit and tie flies. Also while I'm while I'm not doing anything, I have a hole set up over here, and and I probably have ten thousand flies tied up, just because I don't fish as much as I used to. Gotcha. But it's something you still enjoy doing, is creating the flies for the fishing. Yeah, it keeps me occupied, gotcha. Yeah. So when you went back these other times with recording equipment, et cetera, there was nothing out of the ordinary that was either that you experience or that was captured on these devices.

30:08 Yeah. Correct, Not even an owl. I mean I would have I would have loved to have an owl hoot and been able to get that on on a recorder, but nothing. So that's interesting though. So does that mean that you're hearing no sound at all when you when you went out there, or you're still maybe hearing some bugs, et cetera. Oh yeah, I'm hearing the net you know, the normal forest sounds, the wind blowing through the trees, the bugs buzz and you know, stuff like that. It's you know, in the evening, you hear the frogs out there. So it's still you know, it's you still have the normal sounds, I would call them. It is nothing nothing out of the normal. Ut you know, nothing out of the the normal drone, I guess of of you know, the regular sounds. Yeah, I mean really thinking about it, Yeah, it's been And I took my I did take my dog up there one time and we were walking around the lake. This was kind of weird, but we were walking around the lake, just kind of looking and I was taking her for a walk and we're going around the the area that surround surrounds the lake, the pomisey stuff, and all of a sudden, she just turned around and ran at full speed away from me, going back to camp. And I have no idea what she smelled or caught wind of or heard or something, but something freaked her out pretty bad and she just took off around and she'd never done that before. So that was kind of a weird

31:39 thing that's happened up there. That is extremely weird for sure. What is your goal now with with spending your time going out to these places trying trying to capture something? Do you have a specific goal in mind through all this? Not really, It's just it's for me. I don't care about you know, I'm not out to prove Bigfoot exists, don't. I don't really care what people think about that. To tell you the truth, I'm just out for my own you know, fulfill my own goals of you know, looking for something like that. You know, it's it also gives you an excuse to go out in the woods. I enjoy getting out and hiking in the woods still. I mean I'm sixty two now, but I still enjoy getting out and hiking the trails and get out looking at stuff.

32:34 I don't haunt anymore. Like I said, my fishing is not nearly as much as I used to fish, but I still get out and walk around looking for stuff. It's it's a really it's such an interesting story and it's so cool to have both views. Have you talked to Freddy since that time? No, I haven't. That was that was the first. It was really weird to be watching YouTube you been having my story being told by somebody else. Oh that's what I wanted to ask you, is can you walk me through like how you even got to hear this to begin with? I was I've been thinking about going back over in that area to do some camping because I have had some weird experiences over near there. And I mean, I had something stomp through my campground the middle of the night, three o'clock in the morning. Something was with a gurgly, you know sound when it was breathing, stomped through my campground.

33:35 Me and two other guys were camping there, you know, just out having a guy's weekend, and they they they were dying on both of them. Are were freaked out enough that they wanted to get out of there and go back home. Not knowing what that was, I had no idea what it was. It could have been. For all I know, it could have been a bear. But yeah, I've never heard anything stomp through my campground before. But so what was the question again, Sorry. I'm sorry, but that is extremely interesting. We're going to get access. So I guess the question was, how did you stumble upon that episode? Yeah, okay, well I was. Actually I've been employed by the same employer for forty three years. I worked. I probably shouldn't say where. I got laid off just a couple of months ago. So in my you know, my new found time off, I've been sitting here watching YouTube videos and I just happened to type in dead Man's Lake and I got that episode and I listened to it and it was it was you and Freddie doing the talking about the thing. And I played it for my wife and she's, you know, exactly what happened, you know, And because I've told you know, she's heard the story four hundred times. And my mother in law listened to it, and I guess I told her about it sometime. I

35:06 don't remember talking to her that much about it, but I guess she she called up, like, Harry heard it, you know that guy talking about your story. That's exactly what you said. Yeah, so that's what. Yeah. I've just been kind of hanging out of the house doing some you know project for projects around here and going camping, and yeah, I just happened across the YouTube video and watched that. That was great. And Freddy was when I met him up in the woods, him and his son. Great guy, really nice guy, easy to talk to kind of guy. You know it was, it was he was really a pleasant person.

35:48 Wow, that is That's incredible. I mean, I forget people. I do it because I enjoy talking to people about Bigfoot and helping him out, and I forget, Yeah, people who actually listen to this thing. And you're not just in your basement talking to people anymore. But you had that's how it was back in twenty nineteen. You had mentioned that. So that time when you had the weird thing go through your campsite and it was making the gurgly noise, was that in the same area or a different area. It was down at the Green River, which is down at the bottom of that valley. You know that that ridge got Mountain Ridge is twenty four hundred feet and it's almost straight up. You're doing switchbacks for twenty four hundred feet, So it's twenty four hundred feet down and there's a Green River that flows through there, and some of the biggest Douglas fir trees you'll ever see in your life are in there on the trail that follows that river. But yeah, it was down there was a little just you know, dispersed camping area down there. It was dry camp, and we just said, pulled in there and set up, set up a camp, set up a tent in camp. I put some some video, you know, the trail cameras. I put a couple of trail cameras up we had, you know, and then we went down and messed around on the river and and stuff. But yeah, that was just one night. I think we stayed there a couple of nights, but that was just one night.

37:17 We had some stomp through the camp. That's interesting. You still got something like that even though you had trail camps set up, because usually you know that. All oh they were Yeah, there were ways away from the from the camp though. There. I got a bunch of coyotes on them. That was a I probably got ten different coyotes on the on the trail cameras, so it was they were. It was an active night of of animals moving around. Gotcha, how has is that the only weird thing you've experienced going out in the woods since that time, or do you experience other unexplainable things as well. Well, I've had well this is totally in a different area though, but this is over in Oregon. This is up still in the mounta Hood National Forest, but barely it's almost over as you drop off to the Brighton Bush River, which is over by Detroit. It's an area that we've been I've been actually going there for years, and I think the first time I went there was with my dad back in the seventies. But it's an area on an old logging road called Tarzan Springs. And yeah, so we've been going there forever. And I had gone back, walked, actually went walked back the road. I was going to set up a couple of trail cameras for because I was doing some scouting for hunting, and so I set the trail cameras up and came back and my wife is going, very funny, very funny, and I'm going, because

38:50 you're over there knocking on that tree. So while I was gone doing that, they were getting wood knocks knocked at them. My wife and my granddaughter. They of course blamed me, but it was not me. So that is wow. Oh my goodness. Yeah, that's a weird one. But other than that, it's really I mean, I haven't had too many experiences there's I mean, I've heard knocks here and there, but you know, they could be anything. Are you aware of the history of that Tarzan Springs area? I am, Now, Yeah, I just went out there because it had the because it was a Tarzan name, so we we'd just go up there because you know. But yeah, it was a logger or minor or something that lived up there with the monkeys.

39:42 Yes, we're probably talking about the same guy whose name was Glenn Thomas, and the story Thomas right, the story goes is that he saw a whole family of sasquatch in that area that we're flipping over big rocks, digging holes, and then eating the squirrels that were hiding underground. I believe that's That's pretty much the easy way to say what was going on. But again, if you want more or more info about that, get the Oregon Bigfoot Highway book and it goes into great detail. What year was that that you had your thing happened? Oh, probably twenty sixteen, Oh wow, twenty seventeen, something like that. Yeah, it wasn't that all? How I see, my granddaughter is eleven now, she was about four, so six years ago, is that right? Eleven? Seven years so whatever? Seven years ago would be.

40:39 Yeah, nine or ten yep, yeah. Yeah, so it was that's the last time we had anything up there happened like that. But we found a footprint up there one time too when we were driving up there. So I think I've turned my wife into kind of a believer. She was very skeptic about it and skeptical about it, but I think she's coming around it. Well. I mean sometimes it doesn't take much. I mean yeah, especially you're able to take her to places like this, which is just like man talk about, like you're getting into the thick of it. But it's very cool to hear that, you know, well, Glenn Thomas's situation happened so long ago. I want to say it was back in the late sixties. And to hear that, yes, still having things happen in the same area, I mean as recent as nine to ten years ago, which is it's very very cool. Yeah, that Brighton Bush area comes up a lot.

41:46 There's a hot springs there, and I bet those guys have had some weird things happen. But yeah, I've been up by that. We've we camped over around the Brighton Bush a few times. I mean, we don't go all the time, but we've been up in that area. It's burned up there. It burned up right up to that resort spa up there. I believe it burned right up to it. Yeah. I believe you're right, because I know Detroit had a big fire too a few years back. Yeah, that was the thing. It burned. Yeah, it burned everything down to the ground. It was pretty pretty amazing to go up and see that. I mean, like I said, I've been going up with that up in santy Am and the bright And Bush and Upper Clockha was my whole life. And to see that all gone, it just looks like a totally different area. Wow.

42:38 I mean, this has been a really, really interesting conversation and we've gotten to way more than just the one area I thought we were going to be looking at. So, I mean, this has been extremely fun ted. Thank you so much for coming on the show and for sharing what you've experienced over the years. I want to make sure that you were able to share everything that you came on the show to share. Today. Oh yeah, yeah, I definitely have shared what I was gonna and then a whole lot more so. Fantastic. Well, well, thank you sir for coming on and I appreciate it. Stay in touch. If you ever experience anything else weird out there, I'd love to hear about it, and thank you so much.

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