Aug. 6, 2025

The Ranger's Confession | California

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Season 1

What happens when a young campground ranger in the Sierra Nevada watches a humanoid figure crawl across a boulder — backwards — at 8,000 feet in 29-degree weather?

In this chilling and emotional episode, we sit down with John, a former PG&E-affiliated ranger who spent three summers in the remote Blue Lakes region of Northern California. John recounts multiple encounters — including a crab-walking Sasquatch, unexplained whistles in the brush, glowing samurai-like chatter across a silent alpine lake, and even the sound of an ape-like creature being attacked by dogs.

You’ll hear stories from Lake Spalding, Wishon Reservoir, and the Sierra backcountry — places where few reports exist... until now.

From watching a creature mimic fishing motions for 45 minutes to seeing a terrified Chico State runner return pale as a ghost, this episode is packed with details you've never heard before.If you've ever doubted what lurks in the snowy peaks of California, think again. This one stays with you.

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Welcome to Big for Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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tonight's episode, you'll hear about a very strange sasquatch occurrence,

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one I haven't heard a lot about, and this takes

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place in the Blue Lakes region of California. So get

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ready and see if you can figure out what it

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was that set this witness on edge. You're not going

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to want to miss this one, so stay with us,

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all right, Big for Society. You've got the privilege of

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talking to John today. John's an individual I got connected

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to through email and he's wanting to share a few

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experiences he's had throughout his life and just make sure

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that he's able to get it all out there. So

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welcome to the show. John. How's it going today?

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Great? Thank you very much.

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Awesome. Well, you know it sounds like from what I

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know about what you're going to share, we've got some

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really interesting things to talk about regarding northern California. But

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you know, feel free to take us back to when

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these events first started happening to you and we'll fall

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along with you.

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Okay. So, in the summer of eighty two, eighty three,

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and eighty four, I worked for a company called Multiple

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Use Management, and we were basically campground rangers for PG

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and E campgrounds. So they would start me off in

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northern California at Lake Spaulding at the five thousand foot elevation,

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and I would stay there and open up that campground,

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and then when the snow melted, they would move me

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up to Blue Lakes at eight thousand feet elevation. And

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so this is dealing with the Blue Lakes area, which

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is a four lake complex in four wheel drive roads

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that go each direction of it. And I guess I'll

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start with I believe it would would be the the

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summer of eighty three. And again at this time, I

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didn't believe that bigfoot were here. But I'm a curious

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guy and I've always had an interest in the topic,

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and I interviewed everybody about it because I was fishing

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for information, trying to fill in the dots. So I

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got a lot of information over the three years, talking

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to so many people on a daily basis. But I

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was fishing. One morning, I got out before daybreak because

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I wanted to float a nightcrawler on top and catch

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me a big brown up in upper Blue And the

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road goes right alongside the lake, and it's a fairly

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decent sized lake. It was a really calm morning, not

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a ripple on the water. You could hear, you could

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hear a noise would travel a mile. You could hear

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small noises really well. But as the light started getting

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a little bit lighter and lighter, I had noticed a

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figure on the opposite side of the lake. And there's

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quite a bit of distance involved, but the figure was

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all black from head to toe, and I figured it

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was just a guy in a hoodie that it was

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fishing on the opposite side of the lake. Again, I

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didn't really believe that bigfoot were part of the of

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this area. I figured they were all up north, further up,

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you know, above Mount Shasta in the coastal area. Anyway,

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So I sit there and watched the thing a little bit.

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I wasn't really focusing on it too much because I

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thought it was just another fisherman. But I watched it

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for the whole event was probably forty forty five minutes.

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And what it was it almost looked like it was

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mimicking a fisherman. And again, you know, it looked like

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it had a stick in his hand and you could

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see enough detail you couldn't see facial details, but you

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could see the body outline fine, and it looked like

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it was waving a stick and playing in the water

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with it, and I thought maybe it was just a

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fisherman that had gotten his line stock, you know, I

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was trying to get the lure out of the roots

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or trees, but it almost looked like for a while there.

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But then what was weird is about twenty nine degrees

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that morning, and I had a north faced gore tex

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parka on and a down jacket underneath that, and I

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was sitting on an ice chest and my butt was freezing,

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and the ground was slightly damp all around the lake

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from the morning dew, and this thing had laid on

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its belly and was running the stick around in the

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water or fishing pole if it was a fisherman. And

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this went on for maybe five ten minutes, and I

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couldn't see how I go, Man, that guy's freaking. I

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don't know how he's doing it, because I was freezing

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my butt off, just sitting on a small little igloo

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ice chest. And I really didn't think much about it,

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didn't even you know, it didn't even question my mind

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that this even could be a bigfoot. And then the

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weirdest thing happened while I was watching it. It got

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a crab position where it was on its back, and

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then it had its you know, it's knees and its

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hands down below, like in a crab walk. And it

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moved across this boulder in one fluid move in the

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crab position and moved across the top of the rock.

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And this was a huge rock, and I mean it

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was just so smooth and hozzle, Holy crap, that's not

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even human. And I go, well, if I ever find

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out there's bigfoot in this area of California, that's a bigfoot,

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because it sure wasn't human. And never thought more about

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it again. And so I'd beaten every other fisherman out

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in the lake this morning, and on the far side

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of the lake about a mile away. Maybe if that

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I don't know, it sounds about right. But you could

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hear the two old men coming down to get in

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their little trolling a luninin boat and start troll, and

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you could hear them. It was so calm out. You

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could hear the fishing poles laying in the bottom of

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the luna and boat and they you could hear us.

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They set their ice chest in it, you know, because

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the sound was just being carried across the lake with

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no breeze or anything, and you can hear them as

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they tried to start the motor, and the second that

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motor fired up, this thing was gone in the bushes

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and had disappeared. And so that pretty much covers That

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was the strangeness of it was how the this was,

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you know, only about a half an hour into daylight,

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so it was just kind of weird. The way the

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crab walking position was definitely not something I was very

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physically fit. I was running five to ten miles a

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day at eight thousand feet and training for boxing, and

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the movement it did, and I'm kind of a tall, lanky,

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wiry guy, and the movement it did was not something

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I could ever achieve or even come close to. So

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I again, I never thought it was a sasquatch up

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until later years, and then I saw a I believe

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it was Russ Jones talking about an incident where the

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girls that had dropped the earring and the thing bent

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over backwards in that crab position, and that's when I

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decided to give you a call and share what I

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viewed that morning that money. Now, there's a lot of

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different things. Over the three years, I probably talked to

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nine different people that didn't know each other and all

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had different stories. So there was As you come into

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lower Blue on the left, there's a little pond. It's

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called frog pond. I did have one of the campers

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had told me that, yeah, yeah, they knew somebody that

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had saw one cross the road right there. Again, I

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never took it seriously or but it was just information

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I put in my cap. There was also we had

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my dad worked for PGN and he was the lake

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tender there and he got me the job camp there,

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so we knew. We talked all the PG and E guys,

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and one of the helicopter pilots that would fly in

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we were talking to him and he said one winter

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and he didn't tell me what the date was or

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what year or anything like that, but he said he

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flew in there when the snow is thirty feet deep,

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which is probably about five feet over the chimney stack

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of the highest cabin that was there, so the cabins

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were completely submerged in snow. And he said that he

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had flown in there one time and he had landed

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and that there were tracks, and the tracks went down

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almost five feet into the snow and you could see

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and he said you could see bare footprints in the

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bottom with a fairly large stride. And he said he

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had no idea what it was or anything, but that

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was an interesting note that he had come up with.

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So I had also worked with another campground attendant there.

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It was just me and him who took care of

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these the whole campground complex. And this guy was Chico's

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state's number two runner in the early eighties. So this

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was a guy that's as fast as you're going to

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find a young fella. And this guy, I was running

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five to ten miles and he could leave me at

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any time. I was doing it recreational. This guy was good,

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so he could literally haul butt and he would often

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do ten fifteen miles a couple times a week. He

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came back one day and he'd come walking up the

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driveway and from a distance of twenty yards, I mean

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literally sixty feet away, I could he was white as

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a ghost. You could see he was shaken up. And

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I asked him, Hey, what's going on. You know, what's

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the matter. I don't want to talk about it. I

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don't want to talk about it. And I grilled him

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as he came up the steps again, didn't talk about it,

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and I couldn't get anything out of him. But you

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could see that this guy was shaken up. I mean

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it was visible from a long distance away. So I

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let him take a shower. He had a couple of

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beers for dinner, and he sat down to dinner, and

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you know, I said, come on, man, you know can

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he was I ain't. I'm not talking about it. The

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guy was just animate about not and I'm somebody I

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won't let it go. So I kept after him a

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little bit, but without being too much of a pain

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in the butt, but I said, come on, was it

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a mountain lion? Was it a coyote? Was it a bear?

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What's you know? What's got y'all shaken up? And he goes,

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it wasn't any of those. And he wouldn't come out

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and say what it was. But but I got it

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out of him. And what he did say was that

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something trailed him. He was on a trail, and he

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was out in the middle of nowhere, out there, and

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he was coming back on the trail and for about

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he said in between a half mile and a mile

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something was off in the brush bush trailing him and

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breaking through the thick brush as fast as he could

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run on that trail. It kept up with him for

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a long distance on his run. And that was all

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I could get out of him. He wouldn't admit to it,

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and he wouldn't talk anymore. And after he had told

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me those details, that was, you know, he climbed up

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and basically was done at that point, was sharing any

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information that he that he could so. And there were

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other campers. There was a Girl Scout camp there, and

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there was supposed to be one that had there was

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a report of one going through the Girl Scout camp

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that somebody had reported. I think it was the gentleman

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who was the person responsible for hiring us for multiple

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for with multiple use management, having the actual contract in

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that area. I think he's the one that had reported

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the Girl Scout company had actually somebody something like that

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running through. And so that is my story there. The

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only other stories that I have that might be of

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any value to anybody was my dad also worked at

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the wish On Lake complex. So Granite Construction and the

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PG and E were putting in a pipeline that went

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from m Courtney Reservoir to wish On Reservoir, and wish

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On Reservoir is an elevation of eight thousand feet. It

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doesn't have like Highway eighty that goes up and over

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the summer. It's just a two lane highway that goes

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up to eight thousand feet and dead ends pretty much

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at wish On Reservoir. And so this is when I

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was fifteen. I'm sixty two now, so you can do

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the math. So this would have been the later seventies

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when this took place. But we were walking across the dam,

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and you could walk across the dam at this time

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and you could look down in that crystal clear water

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and you could see big browns, you know, floating along,

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and you know you're always wanting to try to but

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the water was down so far it wasn't a place

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that you could really fish with any competence. But my

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dad and my uncle Mike, who was exempt forman for

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PGNE over in Northern California for general construction, they were

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having a conversation, you know, talking I forget whatever they

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were talking about with so they had their they weren't focused.

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Now I'm sitting there, kind of standing around, twiddling my thumbs.

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Something below that dam in the drainage and it was

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kind of a wide drainage and there was a lot

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of brush involved, but you could all of a sudden

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you heard these dogs started barking and what sounded like

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an escaped chimpanzee from a zoo that was being eaten

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on by dogs. And it was probably two or three

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dogs that were barking and chasing, and all you heard

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you heard movements, so that's why I'm saying chasing. But

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they were chasing whatever this was, and it sounded exactly

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like a pisto off chimpanzee. There was screaming, bloody murder

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while the dogs were chasing it. And this went on

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for two three minutes, and you know, and I, you know,

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hey guys, you know, to my dad and my uncle,

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I was fifteen, Hey, what's what's going on? What's that?

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And you know, and they just you know, kind of,

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you know whatever, they were busy talking. Don't interrupt us.

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But there was that. And at that same lake, there

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was another time we were fishing in a cove and

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I heard this loud. It was it's what people I

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think referred to as samurai chatter. And I heard and

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I thought it was two Asian gentlemen that were fishing

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around a curve where I couldn't see him. We were

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in a little cove and it was like on the

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opposite side of the cove. But this was really loud yelling.

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It would be like them yelling having a conversation at

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the top of their lungs. And this went on for

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oh well, probably a period over ninety minutes, and it

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was off and on, so you would it would go

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on for a little bit, be quiet, go on. And

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so where I'm sitting there fishing in this cove, and

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all of a sudden the boat pulls up and it

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was my dad. He's going to come take us. We're

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going to go to the opposite side where the water

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comes into lake. So he picks us up and we

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take off. When we had out of the little cove

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I was in, as we went around that bind at

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the end of the cove, I expected to see a

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couple of fishermen over there from all this noise and

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yelling that they were making and fishing for so long.

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And when we went around the corner, there was absolutely

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nobody there. Nobody fishing, and we were in the only

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place you had to pass by where we were sitting

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to get to where they were at or have a boat,

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and the only boat that came in that area was

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my dad. So that again wish On Reservoir that's in

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the mountains above Fresnow, California. And then other than that,

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I was a water well driller and I commuted up

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into the Tahoe area for ken summers and we drove

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around a lot of areas and I think it's three

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ninety seven or three ninety three ninety five that goes

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in between Trucky and Sierraville and you kind of go out.

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You really don't go over a summit, but you go

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you sort of go up and down. And about halfway

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through that one night, in a place where there's no

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place to park a car, and it was up a

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twenty foot cliff, there was a some kind of a

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road sign, and I forget what the exact road sign was,

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but there was a human looking figure standing up against

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the road sign with his hand on it in a

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place where there's no people, no parking, no cars at

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nine around it was after and I was a little

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after nine o'clock at night, and you could just see

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the silhouett standing up there. It was kind of weird

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that in this mountainy area that there was somebody just

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standing there in a place you really couldn't even cross

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the road. And again that everything I say could have

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been a person, could have been just a person standing

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up there. But why it would be uh bed, I

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don't want to say, you know everything I see the

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freaking Bigfoot, but that was a it was kind of

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a weird, a weird place, and it was basically in

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the middle of nowhere. So I don't know why somebody

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would be standing up there. But those are the stories

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I've got to got to share.

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Wow, those those are fantastic accounts, and thank you for

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sharing those. I mean that I don't think I've ever

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heard anything from the Blue Lakes area. And just for

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you to be able to be cognizant enough at that

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time to be able to interview people and just ask, hey,

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you know, have you ever experienced anything weird? Maybe you

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said something like that and you still remember it. Man,

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I'm I like to talk and I chat with people.

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And I did forget to add that I was cross

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country was so there's at the below Blue Lakes. There's

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a blacksmith, the remnants of a cabin. It ain't much

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remnants left, but there were there were people there in

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the eighteen hundred and I collect the old bottles from

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the eighteen hundreds in California, and I love the history

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and the anthropology side of the whole thing. So I

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would go cross country around there and would I would

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look for stuff. And I was in between on the

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far side of Lower Blue there's a small ridge that

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kind of goes up and on the other side of

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that ridge is Twin Lake and there's a road on

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the next Twin Lake on the opposite side that in

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that little sort of valley that that that lake lies in.

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I was coming down that ridge cross country and I'm

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moving through and I heard a whistle that was it

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reminded me of a hunter going, Hey, I'm over here.

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And that's the gunt feeling that I'd gotten. I yelled out, hey,

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don't shoot, I'm you know, I'm over here. I thought

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it was a hunter going, hey, I'm over here, you know,

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don't you know, don't mess with me. And i'd just,

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you know, let him know, because I didn't want to

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get shot by some freaking more on camper that was

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was out hunting when he shouldn't have been. And we

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did get gear hunter every once in a while that

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would camp five miles away. And there's also a place

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called Bear Valley and they would go down to Bear

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Valley and hunt that area, you know, five miles away

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down a four wheel drive road. So anyway, I didn't

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know what it was, but I went and looked for

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and that whistle came from ground level and it was

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a loud whistle, and it wasn't a normal bird whistle

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I've heard. I've been out in the woods my whole life.

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I've never heard a bird sound like a human whistle

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that close. Anyway, you can usually tell the difference pretty

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pretty easy. But I heard that, and I went towards

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the whistle where I heard it from, which is only

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like twenty yards away, twenty thirty yards maybe, So I

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walked that, you know, one hundred ish feet, and there

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was nothing. I couldn't see anything. The brush was I

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got to a point where the brush whistle thick. I

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couldn't investigate any more into it, and that was just okay.

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Never thought much more about it. I did tell that

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to BFRO and I did talk to buzz It Bob

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or Robert Strange, and I had a conversation with him

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and told him about this about that whistling event, and

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it is posted at the BFR's website. I never even

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mentioned the the crab walking one because I didn't even

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think at the time. I never even put two and

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two that it was a you know, I never even

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thought about it, so it wasn't something that that I

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had to, you know, go and tell anybody. But that

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was another aspect of that of that general area. And

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after we hang up, I'll probably remember some things that

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some other people said. That's how long ago? Wow, that's

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that is very interesting.

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You got to talk to I believe that individuals this

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Bob Strain, which that's very cool. He's a great guy

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to talk to. I've talked to his His wife, Kathy,

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is very knowledgeable. They're both knowledgeable about Bigfoot for sure.

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Wow.

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Wow. A few things I wanted to to to clarify

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or ask you about, especially the the crab walking incident.

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Do you remember roughly about how tall it was or

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it also did it have a certain color to its

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hair if.

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You saw right right right? So it was it was

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black and This was, you know, the same way when

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you see a brown beard that's all black. It was

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just that same, you know, it was black from head

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to toe. And it was an even colored black. You

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couldn't make out I couldn't make out again even facial

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features because of the distance involved. But when I say black,

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it was the same color black from head to toe.

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It didn't have like a jacket line or you know,

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or light black you know, and with different colored pants.

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So but it was black, and I would guess it

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to be. It didn't have a big, stocky bill. It

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was if I my best guestam, it would be six

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foot tall and just a human sized build. It didn't

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look you know, super super broad. I've heard some people

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say that, you know that they're the size of their

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body shapes like a fifty gallon barrel or just huge,

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you know, thickness wise, And it looked no different than

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the human at that distance, you.

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Know, forty to forty five minutes, that's a really long

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time to watch something, especially you know, something like it

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like a bigfoot. Did you notice, you know, you already

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mentioned that it was waving to stick around playing in

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the water with it. Were there any other like fidgety

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movements it would do, or maybe that.

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Was see nothing really, So the distance that this thing

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was away, you couldn't see fidgety. Okay, you know you

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could see the basic You could see if somebody somebody

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that far away, you can you can make out their

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arms and legs and head quite clearly. You know, I

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couldn't make out a neck or or lack of neck again. Yeah, yeah,

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I thought my My my impression was at the time

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was that it was a guy with a black hoodie.

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So yeah, you get I didn't see a neck.

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And uh, I'm just going to say, with that kind

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of a distance, there really weren't any details that I

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could add or I would have probably shared it with you.

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It was. It was just one of those things. I

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never would have even remembered this event if it wasn't

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for that crab walk the thing going upside down. But

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the weird part about it was the rock was was

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you know, it had a dome and it moved from

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one side of that rock to the other in one

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fluid motion upside down with its back facing the rock.

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And that was just the that was like, holy crap,

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you know, you know, I go, that's not human I go,

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if I ever find out again, i'd if I ever

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find out Bigfoot or in this part of California, that's

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a bigfoot. Forgotten it for for you know, a long

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time up until you know, I got tore going.

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Oh yeah, so it was it was was it a

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very quick transition when it went to that crab walk, So.

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I didn't what I saw was when I looked over

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across the lake, all I saw was it in that

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crab position, and then in one it went. It had

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so its back would have been about two foot. There

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was like a two foot gap between its back and

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the rock, and it went up and over the top

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of this rock. That was probably if I said it

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was eight foot, and it just was fluid the way

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it went, you know, with its back up and over

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to the other side. And it didn't disappear. I don't

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remember when it went to the other side of the rock.

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It didn't disappear completely. But I didn't see what it

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did after that.

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Gotcha, I mean, very interesting accounts. And so when you

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said you were hearing samurai chatter, I would assume it

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probably also heard the Sierra sounds.

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I've heard heard some of them.

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Yes, Okay, was that similar then to what you heard

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during those nightsy minutes.

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The volume and the loudness was similar. The words being used.

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I I don't remember. I mean, I just remember the

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loud the loud chatter, because I was it was so

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many years ago. I don't remember the the did the

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any of the wording or aim because it wasn't something

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that I was. I was used to her and I

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heard samurai chatter probably you know, fifteen years ago. Maybe

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I don't know whenever, I mean ten, ten, fifteen years

462
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ago when when internet got popular. I think I had

463
00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:42.880
searched it and and heard the Sierra sounds, gotcha, but

464
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:46.880
I talked, uh more, I believe is it? Is it?

465
00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:47.440
Ron Moore?

466
00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:48.200
Ron moorehead?

467
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:50.400
Yep, yeah, Ron moorehead.

468
00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:53.559
That's something I actually was kind of curious about on

469
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:56.640
the side. But man, how cool is that to know that, Hey,

470
00:26:57.359 --> 00:27:01.960
you're in the general vicinity of where Ron and al

471
00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:07.039
Berry captured that audio back in the early seventies. Very

472
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:10.880
very cool, right, And I'm sure you would have told

473
00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:15.599
me if you had. But during the Samurai chatter anything

474
00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:19.079
at that there was not anything captured on audio or video.

475
00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:24.039
Correct. No, this was in the late seventies, so it

476
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:27.279
wasn't in a time where people had cell phones or

477
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:30.119
any sort of equipment with it, you know. And I'm

478
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:33.079
just I had a thirteen year old brother and a

479
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:37.160
fifteen year you know, maybe in fifteen and we're sitting there,

480
00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:38.880
you know, and Dad took us with him. We were

481
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:41.400
sleeping out at night, and you know, and I never

482
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:45.720
heard the samurai chatter in the week of outdoor camping

483
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:49.200
right there in that general location while Dad was working,

484
00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:52.920
we never heard, heard or saw anything. But the only

485
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:55.480
thing I do remember is the samurai chatter and then

486
00:27:55.720 --> 00:28:00.279
the screaming below the damn that sounded like I can

487
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:05.599
escape chimpanzee with dogs on his tail. And you know,

488
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:08.319
I wish I would have known a lot of the

489
00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:10.960
stuff that I know now because I spent three summers

490
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:13.480
at eight thousand feet. How many you know, if you

491
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:17.359
heard how you know, you go, what's that? But you

492
00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:19.960
didn't make any notice of it. I wonder how many

493
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:22.079
good sounds I could have if I was there and

494
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:24.759
had recording equipment that I would have just you know,

495
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:27.680
been able to record instead of you know, what was

496
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:29.920
that and not even remember it now?

497
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:37.759
Absolutely how what a fascinating account a group of accounts, really,

498
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:42.720
and have you ever in the time since then look

499
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:47.200
to see if there's been other sightings or encounters in

500
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:48.759
these same areas.

501
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:55.920
Yes, so they're in the general not far from where

502
00:28:56.119 --> 00:29:00.839
I had the crab walking siding, is not far from

503
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:04.759
I think it's snow Lake. But they're on the BFRL website.

504
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:07.759
There's somebody that actually got a print and photographed a

505
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:13.799
print in that general neighborhood, so I do know, I

506
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:17.079
do know that's there, but uh, they listed mine as

507
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:21.839
I believe as fisherman. Here's whistle. Uh you know, here's

508
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:23.880
I think it's whistle in the wit or something. Is

509
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:26.079
what they what they had put down for.

510
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:33.920
That event, gotcha And nothing else about the Blue Lakes

511
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:34.599
area though.

512
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:37.359
No.

513
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:40.319
And what's what's funny is every story that I'm telling

514
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:43.559
you is is not in there either, because well, the

515
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:46.160
pgn E guy, he you know, wasn't something he was

516
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:48.920
really interested and he's deceased now, so it's not like

517
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.599
I can I can't go back and confirm with him

518
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:55.359
any other things. But I grilled him pretty well while

519
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:57.759
he was there, and he didn't have anything, you know,

520
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:00.680
extra to add about it or say he never saw

521
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.759
anything from flying over with sierras for you know, his

522
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:06.880
whole career. But he did mention that, you know, with

523
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.039
thirty foot deep snow that he did find. He says,

524
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:13.000
you could see that it wasn't a boot, that it

525
00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:15.960
was actually a foot print in the bottom of those

526
00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:19.599
you know, in the in the snow when the snow

527
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:23.519
was thirty foot deep, which is interesting because it's you know,

528
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:26.039
eight thousand foot with thirty feet of snow. I want,

529
00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:29.720
you know, how does something stay alive in that kind

530
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:33.640
of environment. You know, it's you would think I've always

531
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:38.359
been curious about the migration pattern of them, or if

532
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:42.400
they migrate, but you know that kind of goes against that.

533
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:47.920
Yeah, this interview is a great example of how important

534
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:52.920
it is for an individual that has you know, accounts

535
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:57.359
like this to reach out to a show like mine,

536
00:30:57.640 --> 00:30:59.720
or you could do other shows, but at least have

537
00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:04.519
it documented in the public somewhere, because there's no other

538
00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:09.079
accounts that I can find either of sasquatch activity around

539
00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:12.720
these this Blue Lake area, the Blue Lakes of California,

540
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:16.039
and you've got a ton of them, and this could

541
00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:18.240
be the only time that it's talked about, though it'll

542
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:21.640
be interesting if other listeners reach out. Maybe they've had

543
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:23.680
their own activity in the same region.

544
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:27.920
But well, that's what part of my conversation with you

545
00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:31.480
and doing this is. I'm hoping that that other ranger

546
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:35.319
who is Cheeko State's number two runner, I'm hoping that

547
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:37.640
he hears it and comes forward with, hey, that was

548
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:39.960
me and you know, and I doubt that he will,

549
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.119
but maybe he's taken an interest to it in his

550
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:45.559
later years and wants to share is what he actually

551
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:49.400
saw that day or but it was. It's just it's

552
00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:53.240
not hilarious, but it was. It was such a stunning

553
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:57.240
thing to see a guy fifty feet away and see

554
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:00.720
him why is a ghost and knew that something was

555
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:04.799
radically wrong just from the look at his face from

556
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:08.559
a distance and you could see it. So yeah, whatever

557
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:11.200
it was, it scared him and he didn't. And this

558
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:13.799
guy was straight laced. I mean he was you know,

559
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:16.519
he he would drink you know, you know, maybe one,

560
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:18.839
maybe two beers. When I say he was drinking beer,

561
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:22.000
he wasn't you know, a six pack or a twelve

562
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.279
that kind of guy. He was one or two custom

563
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:27.319
you know, fancy beer. And you know he didn't smoke,

564
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:28.960
and you know, he was just you know, he was

565
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:31.039
a stand up guy. And I don't think he wanted

566
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:35.160
anybody to I don't think he knew how to process

567
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:37.720
what had whatever it happened to him. And you know,

568
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:40.240
maybe it was a mountain lion or bear, but the

569
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:43.000
fact that he denied that it was any of the

570
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:49.640
wild animals in that area leaves me open to, you know,

571
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:55.599
to lean towards you know, the possibility of a bigfoot. Absolutely,

572
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:58.440
and I'm trying to stay as objective as.

573
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:01.640
Possible, right right, Yeah, And that individual is more than

574
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:05.319
welcome to reach out if if they would like, they

575
00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:07.359
can reach out to me, a big for Society, jumid

576
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:10.359
dot com, or anyone else with info about the areas

577
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:14.640
that are talked about in this episode. But wow, what

578
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:19.680
a fascinating conversation. And John, thank you so much for

579
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:23.079
coming on the show spending some time this afternoon to

580
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:25.200
share what you experienced. I want to make sure that

581
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:27.880
you were able to share everything that you came to

582
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:29.640
the show to talk about today.

583
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.200
Absolutely, I think I think I've picked up everything. I

584
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:37.000
don't think that there's any other details right off the

585
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:40.799
top of my head that are worth mentioning fantastic.

586
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:43.400
Well again, thank you so much for coming on the

587
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.720
show today, John, It's been a pleasure.

588
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:48.680
Thank you, Sir Smiting.

589
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:50.319
Take a minute to say thank you for listening to

590
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:53.319
this episode of the Big for Society podcast. John story

591
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:55.319
is one of those rare accounts that haunts you not

592
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:57.640
just because of what he saw crawling across the boulder,

593
00:33:57.720 --> 00:33:59.920
but because of the questions that leaves behind about how

594
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:03.240
close these creatures can really get. So huge thanks to

595
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:05.839
John for sharing his memories from the Blue Lakes region

596
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:09.639
of California and beyond, and for keeping these stories alive

597
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:12.280
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