The Sasquatch of Lake Cushman, Washington

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0:43 Welcome to big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode, and if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you've become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays and sometimes even more episodes, head on over to Patreon dot com Forward slash the big for Society, and now let's get on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Tim again today. Tim is a gentleman that's been on the show a few times and he's shared some really interesting things that have happened up in the Lake Cushman area of Washington. But it's a pleasure to have you on the show again. Tim. How's it going tonight?

1:41 Oh, it's great. Thanks so much for having me on again. Jeremiah, It's an honor and a privilege to to be on your show again. And we've got more to share. So yeah, I can jump right into if you'd like. Let's do it ahead and go right for it and take us to where we need to go today, Tim. Yeah, So we've got this off grade camping property that's near Lake Cushman and back in spring after you know, some sort of speculative encounters we've had over. The year and a half.

2:21 Back in spring, we got the confirmation with footprints in the snow which I was able to photograph that I call the mother and child footprints that have a clear, large sixteen inch adult sasquatch print with a smaller i'd say nine inch print inside of that print. And I explained a little more about that in the last show and kind of left off there. So to pick up where we've left off, things have gotten real And as I've heard about you, Jeremiah and your time in Oregon, a lot shifted over the summer for you, and I can say the same for myself, things have changed since we've last talked.

3:24 In short, we are in it. We are in. A communication with this species, this intelligence that has been frequenting our camp or the wild ravine that is just beyond our camp. It's a lot has developed, let's put it that way. I'm going to get into reporting some of the vocalizations we've received, gifts, physical gifts, communication visitations, and I even have a sighting to report. I kind of had a feeling that things would continue to happen after the footprints were presented to us, because I now I now feel like these footprints were presented to us or you know, perhaps to anyone who might be nearby, although we're the only ones camping, so it seems that they intentionally set these footprints as a sort of an introduction.

4:41 I know this sounds weird to a lot. Of people, but but this is kind of what we've ventured into, is as a sort of a rapport with this species. So I'm going to backtrack just a little bit to share something that I was reluctant to share the last time I was on the podcast, and it's basically, we had a sighting, me and my lady, and it's something that's taken months, and I wonder if other people have been through this where you see something and you can't digest it. It's too much. It's too much for you to process and put on a shelf and go, Yeah, that happened. It was a day after where there was still snow on the ground at camp. It was the day after, about twenty four hours after we'd arrived and we'd found the footprints, and we are shuffling about camp in the middle of the day. We're chopping wood, I'm shoveling some snow to kind of create pathways from our trailer to our fire, things like this.

6:02 Kind of shuffling about camp. And the neighbor next to us is a vacant lot that is fenced in on three sides and it's only three sides, but the one side that's open is open to that ravine directly above where. The where the footprints are found. And as I would say, about two thirty in the afternoon, like I said, we're shuffling around camp. We're just doing our thing, trying to maintain warmth. Again, it's snowy and rainy. And out of the peripheral of my vision I see two brown furry round heads pop up above the neighbor's fence.

6:52 It's about a five. And a half foot fence, and it's not about two o'clock, you know, two o'clock, you know, as in like I'm facing twelve, it's at two o'clock. And so I see this one head goes bo peek a boo, and then a few seconds later, about a two or three feet away, another one bloot pops up and down, and. My lady looks at me and I look at her and we kind of did you see that? Yeah? Did you see that? Yeah? What was that? What was that? I take a deep breath and slowly start working my way toward that fence, which, by the way, solid wood, you can't see through it, and peek.

7:42 Over and there's nothing and. I've ruled out the possibility of, let's say, a hoax. There were no footprints that were, you know, boot prints anywhere nearby. This is a fenced off, vacant lot that you can't get into unless you climb up through a pretty steep section of woods. They were round, kind of a. Dirty blonde brown, almost like the color of a coyote. Coloration. And I really am set on this was.

8:25 This was two young juveniles that were peeking over to take a look at us. It just aligns perfectly with what was presented to us and what later happened down the road, which I'm going to get into, which is a lot of activity. So it's taken a long time to acknowledge that this was an actual sighting, that it was gentle, it was measured. It wasn't frightening to us. It wasn't It was a bit startling, but it wasn't overwhelming.

9:06 I feel very, very lucky to have to have be abed to scene, to have seen just what we saw, which was just enough to be an acknowledgment of here we are, we see you, and you see us, and that's all. So that's kind of a bit into the old account if you've got any questions about that. It's something that, like I said, I've been milling over for months. So yeah, absolutely, So you looked over the fence. Were you able to look at the ground on the other side of the fence at all?

9:54 Yeah, And this is basically so it had been really snowy the day before or and then the snow. The snow is really patchy this next day. So we still had snow in our lot because it was you know, a lot more shade and this spot was patchy snow. So there were no prints in that area, but a lot of a lot of dirt, a lot of bear dirt near near where we saw the heads pop up and down. Did you see the whole head or just a little bit of the head? No, No, I'm I'm I'm I'm thinking half of the head.

10:36 I'm thinking from what I can gather. You know, like you see half of a circle, it's basically like half of a circle. So you know, that would put it technically about nose height to the edge of the fence, to the top of the fence. Were you able to see any any details of the top of the head, like eyes or or anything like that, where that you would have seen on the top of the headed all. No, but I was trying to think of, like what exactly shape comes to mind, and the only thing I could think of is like a large.

11:19 E walk without ears. Does that sound weird? No, that's awesome that I think that's a great way to put it. Most of most listeners will will get that. I think. Okay, okay, again, you know, five and a half feet up and just a split second, blue back down and then blue back down. But the color was the color was the most significant thing. I mean it was it was like a coyote, that dirty brownish blonde color, which you know, I didn't expect that at all. But pretty mind blowing. And like I said, sometimes, and there might be other people that can relate to this, it just takes time to let this sink in.

12:06 So so there's a sighting. It's not the most profound, clear ominous, you know sighting that you hear about and a lot of these encounters, but who knows that that might be coming later. Still, I mean, I bet that it took you a long time to get to the point where your mind wasn't trying to explain that away and you finally were like, Okay, yes, I did see something I can I can deal with this. Yeah, yeah, I think we're still in a bit of denial at that time, thinking like, Okay, there's sasquatch prints.

12:49 Maybe it was a week ago that it happened. Maybe maybe they're not here very often. Now I know they're there very very often. And that kind of brings me to the next section here, which again in the last podcast I did here, I talked about the fourth of July. If you might remember, there was a ton of activity surrounding our camp on the fourth of July of last year. So we had this idea of let's recreate what happened on the fourth of July this year twenty twenty four, just to kind of lay out the same ingredients and see what happens.

13:36 So that's what we did. We went to camp on July second, a couple days before the fourth, and again we're the only ones camping in the whole region because it's a weekday. I think it was a Tuesday night, Tuesday or Wednesday night, and we did we did the stuff that we do. We cooked oysters over the fire at dusk. It's just really real romantic setting. We had the amaretto. We had the soul music going and some even some like flute jazz stuff, just having a lot of laughs and affection and July second, so after dark we start hearing the stick breaks.

14:26 Various places. I would say typically three different spots will hear stick breaks. My lady heard this. I didn't hear it, but she heard over the other side of camp a whistle. This is around eleven o'clock at night. And then then you know, this is all kind of like, oh yeah, there's weird stuff making noises in the woods. Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.

15:10 Then then we heard something very deep, very guttural down in the bottom of the ravine leave just just create two big grunts that were just in concession just r R, followed by more stick breaks around the upper part kind of around our camp, and we just kind of what do we do? We just stay stay put. You know, I get nervous. My lady she doesn't get nervous. She's just yeah, let's stay here, let's keep keep doing what we're doing. And I'd say ten minutes after the grunts, we hear four big bipedal footsteps, foot crunches down on the ground and I mean, like like.

16:08 It's saying hello here, I am. I can walk four steps very loudly, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, just like that. Which at this point, I'm like, okay, okay, we have visitors, just like we did last year. I don't know if it's like a routine, but we're gonna We're gonna go with it. Sorry reliving this, Uh, these crunches, it's it's almost like they could have stepped gingerly, and I know that they can. They can step gingerly wherever they want. And these these steps were like designed to amplify noise up to to us to say, Hi, we're here, this is who we are. A few minutes later from that, we heard a voice and this is a deep, resonant, very distinct voice, and it sounded to me like it said the name Jeff.

17:22 And I've heard this before. I've heard people call it the chuff, and I'm gonna embarrass myself by trying to recreate what it sounded like. It was a deep but longer, deeper and louder than that. At that point, I'm getting pretty nervous, and again, my ladies, just let's keep doing what we're doing. You know, this is our camp. We're gonna sit around the fire. We're gonna you know, have our food and just enjoy where we're at again.

18:03 This is July second, coming up on fourth of July. Finally, it was around midnight, just after midnight. In fact, it was twelve nineteen to be exact. This is when we got the loudest vocal anything that I've ever heard in my life. Coming from the bottom of this ravine, seventy feet down below our camp, came this booming, polyphonic vocal that was one part deep guttural growl, one part high scream, and one part loud knock. I cannot recreate it. It was three sounds at once. I've heard of things like this, but to hear it in person was one of the most unsettling things. This sound, these three vocals at once almost sounded as if this makes no sense, Like it like it was coming from a metal room, like a steel walled room, like it had reverb to it, and there was a knock. I'm tempted to speculate that they have the ability to make a knocking sound in the

19:34 back of their throat. I don't know how they are able to get a high pitch and a low growl at the same time. But all these three sounds were at once, this bah, and it happened twelve to sixteen times in consecutive like go. And this is what sent us. Retreating, retreating from the fire pit to our trailer. We we retreated. This was too alarming.

20:17 I don't want to say it was terrifying, but it was disorienting. We had a lapse in time and distance for a few seconds as we were taking just a few steps, just maybe four steps from our from our campfire ring to the trailer. It felt like we were traveling this long distance from from one spot of camp to the other. As this sound was was was reverberating into the the entire camp. It felt like the sound had come up and then was coming from all sides into our ears. And we paused right at the doorway of the trailer, and we both lived on our phones and recorded just the last few of those knocking sounds before scooting into the trailer. And we scooted in there, and I looked at her and I said, we are in it. And I can't emphasize enough the feeling of we are in it. We went right to sleep. We literally it's like that noise was something that it knocked us out. I mean we went to bed and were

21:49 just out until morning. I feel like I need to mention there's a distinct shift that happens, and you know this, Jeremiah, from what you experienced, when things go from an an interest in a curiosity. You know, you're interested in Sasquatch, it's a curiosity. When it moves from that to like an unequivocal communion with this species or this intelligence, however label. It, it's it's it's it's really real in a way. That's like. You're sailing into uncharted waters without a map. I mean, there's nothing, there's no guidebook that shows you, Oh this is how you respond to you know, these these interactions.

22:38 The only thing I can speculate that was communicated to us clearly, because I don't know, I can clearly say that they were saying, we are here, we know you, now you know us. That's the only clarity that I have. I don't know if they were calling in the young, if they were telling us to quiet down. The only thing I can say is they were saying to us, we are here, we know you. And now you know us.

23:21 So that still makes me nervous remembering that. But that's what I mean by we are in it. That that that that thing that happened on on July second is. It's sitting. It's sitting with me, really fresh. They put on display for us the extraordinary abilities that they have that they were displaying. We're not like humans or other animals, and the sounds that we make, and they in the way that we can control the environment or influence the environment or affect us, affect affect you like you know, how they can affect us.

24:08 That sound it filled the atmosphere. So yeah, there's kind of the big one that happened on the fourth of July. I guess July second, I'm sorry, the fourth of July and the third of July. Actually we were prepared to hear more of this the next couple of nights, and guess what we heard nothing? Absolute stillness, nothing, which to me in retrospect, was very poignant contrast. It's a poignant contrast to the night of that loud vocal, because the stillness of the next few nights was like it was the message was, you know, we won't be controlled or manipulated. We come on our terms, we interact with you on our terms. It was humbling, like like, you know, for them to just display themselves in their power, you know, so so potently, And then the next few nights was still in nothing. It was just like wow, okay, ah, So yeah, there is the big one that's been sitting for a while that I've been wanting to talk to talk to you about here.

25:39 So and you're right, I totally get it. I very much get it. So after you experienced that, did you find that being replayed in your mind or it would just be on your mind all the time or. It is on my mind mind all the time. I find beauty in it, I find uh something unsettling in it. I think about it every day. I think how lucky I am, how lucky we are that that we that we got to that we got this power displayed to us without violence and without without any real you know, horror like horrible repercussions. I think we're both really grateful that this happened, as weird as it sounds, as weird as it sounded.

26:44 Yeah, So have. Your have your dreams changed after that? Is it something where you feel drawn back to that area quite frequently. Any things like that been occurring. That's an interest. That's so interesting that you I now you asked about dreams. That's really interesting that you would mention that I was thinking about sharing this on your show, and I wasn't sure if I was going to. I had the most vivid dream that wasn't like a dream.

27:27 It was the most vivid like HD scene. Yep. I could paint. I could paint it with my eyes. Right now, I'm in the dream. I'm looking down into the ravine and I see four bears and. These bears. Stand up slowly, and as they stand up, they transform into a family of four sasquatch with an alpha male and a female and too young, and they look at me with these intense eyes, this intense gaze that locks me in. And I mean I could, seriously, I could paint a picture of how vivid this is. The hairs moving on their faces, everything is so it is so vivid.

28:23 I could even like see the eyes. The eyes are almost it's going to sound weird, but Judd Nelson from the Breakfast Club, the male had his eyes and was looking at me, and again the message was like communicating with me with the gaze. Was we're here, We're real now, you know. And then they turn and they walked sideways into the trees and disappear. So, yeah, there's the dream. Feels weird to share that, but that's the most vivid dream I've ever had in my life.

29:09 And I asked that because that started happening to me the days that I got back from Oregon back to Iowa. I started having very vivid dreams to the point where it felt like I could almost control them. And it was of the meadow area that we were spending a lot of time in and where there was interactions. So it's something where it'll come up every once in a while with people that have had interactions and I ask them that. So, Okay, I've not heard that, but that does make sense, I guess in a way it doesn't make sense, but it does make sense.

29:56 Since that time, do you feel like there's been any whether interaction or communication with them. We've been back to camp several times since then, and every time every time there's been something. Every time there's been some kind of some kind of thing we felt or experienced or heard. So yeah, last month September, if you'd like me to get into some of the little things that happened there.

30:38 I can get into. That big for society. Who will be right back after these messages. Absolutely yeah. Okay, So September so we go. So we go back to camp and it's there's a burn band because there's actually there's actually a forest fire burning not too far away, and we're like, ah, we can't have a fire. We want to camp anyway.

31:20 So so two camp times in a row, and this is just again with my lady and I. We bring a bunch of tea light candles to put in the fire pits so we can actually kind of sit around the quote unquote fire, and this is really fun. What you do is you lay out aluminum foil and you know, we laid up about fifty tea lights and lit them and it's kind of it reflects, and you know, the flames dance, and we've enjoyed our little fire during this time. So the last time we're out there, we get to camp and right when we get to camp, I'm like, okay, it's been raining.

32:03 We got this little. Canopy, it's one of those pop up canopies, and one side of it had collected rain and totally filled up this big, you know, half a bathtub full of water, and so we get out of the car and we run over and we're just laughing. We're trying to spill the water out of the canopy and we're laughing and it's splashing and spilling on the ground, and we hear a big fud in the woods in the ravine and in the same vicinity that we heard these vocals, we hear this big thud and it just so happened. To be right after, you know, we start laughing, and.

32:46 So we're like, okay, And you know, we don't talk too much about sasquatch when we're out there. We just kind of observe and you know, we'll acknowledge it and then move along. So we're like, cool, something's out there. We heard the thud. But then we stayed two nights and the first night we're sitting around the tea light tea light candles and playing music and again just having some wine, chilling out, and big wood knock. This time it's not in the rovie. It's back by the road, and but it's allowed, you know, the big loud wood knock. So that's kind of unsettling, you know, it's just I want to observe this stuff, and I also don't want to, you know, jump to too many conclusions. So so we just continue on and we're just we're just camping. The next night, it's drizzling rain, so we set up the canopy right above the fire pit, so we got an have the candles going underneath the canopy.

34:05 We're staying dry enough. It's the Northwest, so it's just like, you know, this drizzly little bit's a rain, no wind, and again we're the only ones camping in this it's a weekday. We're just we're just dead set on. We're going to camp tonight. We're gonna sit around the candles. And about nine thirty at night, it's dark, and that's when a stick comes flying diagonally into our camp. And I see it fly sideways and land. We have a lot of trees, we have a lot of big fur trees around camp, but this shot sideways and landed, and it landed where we usually kind of put up our tent.

34:54 But we're not tent camping this night. We're just staying the trailer. So I go over on and I tell my lady h that stick just landed there again. We just try to stay real calm about this. I go over and I pick up this beautiful stick. It's got all this liking growing on it. It's clearly been broken off of a tree, because I can see it's dry on one side, everything else on it is wet. There's clearly where a hand had gripped and worn off the bark, so it had been reached, you know, grasped, broken off of the tree, brought to our camp and flung in. And I go over there and I pick up the stick, and I say to the woods, thank you, friends, thank you, we see you, We thank you for the gift. You know.

35:58 I show them my hands, I show them that I don't have a weapon. I think this is something I continue to practice because, you know. To show that you're not a threat, I think is a big deal. Since, by the way, just just to follow up on the stick thing, I've since put it. I took a ladder and put it way up. On a tree that's facing the ravine so that they can see and acknowledge that I'm acknowledging that, you know, I was gifted this. So I've got it attached to the trunk of a tree. Way up high where it will always be to acknowledge that gift. So that happened, and then an hour later we're hearing again, little stick breaks here and there. We've got music going, but it's really low. In fact, this is the night when I was playing bolero, which I've now heard that other researchers or whatever have said, play the musical piece boalerro, bring him in. So we played that in its entirety, which is beautiful and intense. It's very intense. And around ten fifteen at night, we hear down in the ravine the same vote, the same voice we heard on July second, the exact same voice that did the Jeff sound and

37:28 the knock sound and the grunt sound, and that same voice says a three syllable word. It says, oh wah oh. And that's not a very good impression of it, but it was, oh wah oh. I don't know what that means, but there it is. We heard another vocal and it was beautiful because this one was. It was gentle enough, it wasn't scary. It was just like, hi, I'm back kind of kind of thing. So yeah, that kind of uh, that kind of wraps up what happened in in September there.

38:24 So. That that is really fascinating. Wow, So you randomly played Ballero without knowing how it's potentially related to Sasquatch research. No, I had heard about that from uh somebody, somebody, but I didn't. I didn't play it expecting to hear anything. I played it like like oh yeah, whatever I heard that this might bring him in or something. You know. It was like very nonchalant in the mix of like the other jazz and other things we were playing.

39:04 Yeah, because at Sasquat Summerfest and Oakridge, like, it came up a lot and Toab Johnson would would talk about it, and it's actually something that Henry Franzoni would recommend people to do. Just that. He said that that something to the effect of the the rhythm was just very conducive to bring bring them in or it's just which is really interesting. It's a great song, you know. Yeah, h yeah. So so apparently rest in peace Henry van friend Zone. Yeah, it's a good good man he is. Yeah, so you know, there there was my little ode to Henry.

39:58 H Yeah, yeah, exactly, it worked. It works. I would be curious if other people have tried that as well. If they want to reach out to me or or if they do try it, see what happens. So you did get a recording it sounds of knocks at one time. We recorded the vocal knock, that one that went about twelve to sixteen knocks, knock, vocal, groul, scream all at once. Yeah, so you have just the knock part though you don't have the whole thing recorded.

40:41 It's a video on my phone. I mean, I was so shaken nervous. I just kind of did the swipe screen and hit record on video and you hear it, you hear it. It probably could be. Dissected and brought through it some kind of audio system that you know, shows the actual sounds that are happening. You know, it's it's it's. Not impressive on my phone at all, like it was filling the camp you know when it happened. So yeah, but it's potentially something which is incredible that you were able to actually record anything, because most people when stuff like that happens, they just can't get their phone open quick enough or they're not even thinking of that, you know.

41:28 Right, I've missed every other one, to be honest, I've missed every other situation where but this one was this That noise was that that vocal was really like it was. We know it was directed at us, We know it was. It was showing itself so clearly and for so long. It's almost like it invited an opportunity too, you know, it was it was a vulnerability. Let's put it that way. That's how I interpret it, at least right now. Is it showed a vulnerability because it showed that it wasn't us.

42:12 It showed that it wasn't an animal. It wasn't it wasn't it wasn't anything else that I could put inside of a box. And it was the loudest freaking vocal anything I've ever heard, I mean out of lions, tigers, and bears. Oh my, it was the loudest vocal thing I've ever heard in my life. Which is, Yeah, my heart still kind of skips a little bit when I think about it. Oh, I am absolutely sure that it's going to be like that forever. Is it anything where you might consider sharing that video just to see or even a clip of to hear what the audio is or I mean totally up to you.

43:01 But yeah, I think I've got a friend that that has audio stuff that he could probably uh, you know, kind of take out the take out the white noise and and and maybe even dissected a little bit and see see what it does. But yeah, I'm sitting on it. It's it's there. No pressure, just throwing it out there. It might be really cool. It might be cooler than you think. I'll say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's been. It's been really interesting to be sort of thrust into this as I've taken an interest and got it kind of lines up with like how how we manifest reality, how we align with things, and you know we reality kind of cooperates with us and and and co creates. I know that's pretty metaphysical, but I've become really really interested in this, in this topic right as these things started appearing and making themselves known, and uh, if I if I could go into that a little deeper.

44:22 As an example, something that happened last weekend. I camped with with my brother and my nephew and there was an event on the peninsula not too far from our camp called the Olympic Strange Days. Have you heard of this? Absolutely? Yeah, Okay, that's that's Okay. So yeah, I mean that's Tote Johnson's thing. I knew a lot of people there, so this is very interesting. Okay, Okay, So I had I had caught win that that this was happening. I looked it up. Tickets are sold out. It's like, well, you know, I catch wind in one of Tob's uh you know, the the live streams that he does that there's gonna be an after party at the Hamahamma Oyster Bar.

45:13 And I'm like, well, I love the Hama Oyster Bar. It's it's not. Far from our camp. So I told my brother, I'm like, man, let's just go to that thing. Even if we're like, you know, like kind of fly on the wall, We'll just kind of sit back and just kind of listen to some of these some of these bigfoot research people. So so we plan on it and we go. And this was Sunday of this week. And and I and we're looking around and and right there there's Tob Johnson with with this big like sasquatch head and and some displays, and and I go right up to him.

45:53 I'm like, hey, what's going on? You know your Tobe? I know you uh, you know, you're You're cool. I'm a fan of what you do and A Flash of Beauty and I look around and oh my gosh, there's a bunch of people that I recognize from from the documentary. And so I start talking to Tobe and I show him my prints the Prince and the snow of the mother and child print and he's like, oh my god, and he, you know, takes my phone and he goes up to Barb Shoop you might know that name. He goes up to her and shows are the print and she literally jumps out of her chair.

46:37 It was really neat. And then I met Rich Jermou and that was really cool because Rich is in the documentary A Flash of Beauty and he's actually researched in the same. Area where we have our spot. So stay tuned. I might have plans to uh to camp with with Rich Dramo in that at our spot, which which could be really interesting. Like I said, suddenly I'm thrust into this, uh this situation. Wow. Yeah, but you know these people I met, I met the producers of A Flash of Beauty. Uh and then uh, Cherry on top here comes Ron moorehead Big.

47:27 For a Society will be right back after these messages. Yep, I did not know Ron Moorehead was coming to this event, and here he comes, and oh my gosh, what a cool guy. I got to meet him. I got to, uh, you know, get my picture with them, chat with him a little bit about my experience, and I got to tell him, you know that his recordings, it's his recordings that Sierra sounds that. It was the first time that it really landed to me like this is reality because this is unequivocal.

48:22 There's nothing else that can do that can make sounds like that. No animal, no human, nothing man made, nothing else, nothing can make sounds like that. So it was just it was just a really cool event. I got to I got to meet Ron fourread of I mean, living legend right there. So so yeah, that's kind of what's been happening. It's been a it's been a wild summer. Wow, that that is. That is so cool. I think the lesson there is, if you see something cool happening, don't be afraid to take initiative and just go for it, because I mean, look at all the cool stuff that you were able to take part in and the people you're able to meet, just because you're like, man, let's go for it.

49:10 And that's right. My message to people is, you know, stay, stay astonished at this because this is a mystery that it deserves your astonishment. It's an astonishing reality and it is a reality. And I don't I'm not doing this for any real reason other than to share my own astonishment. But also i'd like to say something about the stigma. I'd like to see. I'd like to participate in getting rid of the stigma that's still out there.

49:54 It's still a joke. People are still ridiculed people who've had really intense encounters. I haven't had. Intense encounters have left me with PTSD or anything like that, but there are people who who have and and there's still a stigma. They can't share, they can't share what they've experienced. And i'd like to participate in. And you, Jeremiah, are doing a big, big part in getting rid of the stigma with the with the platform that you've presented in the work that you're putting. And I can't imagine how much work you put in to get rid of the stigma of you know, how it's how it's looked at, how how experiencers are treated after they've had their experience.

50:43 So I'd like to personally thank you for that, and I'm happy that I can also do my little bit of a part. Yeah, thank you. It is a lot. It's a lot of work. It's it's an absolute a lot of work, way more than I could explain. But it is a thing where I do see things starting to turn, especially with I mean, there's so many, you know, good shows out there that are giving people the platform to share and so this all this content is going out. Then you have Flash of Beauty, which are just incredibly produced video documentaries that really really get out there far, and you have all that stuff happening together right now. And I think that in a few years it's bound it's bound to affect things if we just keep going, it's going to affect things in the rest of the world outside of our little community. Right Eventually, you're going to put so much you know, you could say water and bathtub, that's just going to all overflow and it's going to go everywhere.

52:03 Right, Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, Tim, weren't maybe I'm pretty sure you said this last time. Weren't you starting to do research around the area, starting to talk to people to see if there are other encounters as well. I talked to uh, there's a there's a community store at a little uh yeah, a little country store. Yeah. And I talked to the owner of that store and his son and showed him the footprints, and I mean he was he was speaking of a astounded astonished. He was just like, oh wow, Wow, that's dal Creek. And I'm like, yeah, that's that's near dal Creek and he's like, you mean that du Creek.

52:55 It's like literally it runs two hundred yards from where the store is. So yeah, he was really amazed. And his son, I think his son's about you know, late teens and and and he also was was really amazed by it. And you know, you know, it's it's really cool to be able to show people that, you know, that I do have this photo that clearly is something incredible and for people to take it seriously. So so yeah, I've spread the word at least to that that little community hub. So yeah, it's been fun, fantastic.

53:39 Do you have any any future plans regarding this or maybe just kind of see how it all plays out and keep just experiencing it. Well, the camp out with Rich dramo that's going to happen this month if it if it does happen weatherwise, weather is the only thing that would prevent it, although I do want to emphasize it was drizzling rain and no moon and pitch dark when when we last heard our vocal and that was an I mean we're talking, can't see your hand in front of your face, darkness in that ravine where we heard.

54:20 The oh what sound? So you know, rain's not going to stop them. Snow obviously doesn't doesn't deter them. So yeah, we're going to keep going out there. Yeah, it's it's it's exciting. It's exciting to be sort of in this phase of communion with with this intelligence. There hasn't been anything regrettable or you know, overwhelming. It's it's it's been, it's been. It's been pretty beautiful the way the way it's been so far, So be great of it, you know, continued. I would like I would like another visual, And that's something that you know they.

55:09 Always say, be careful what you wish for. Yes, but wouldn't you like to make eye contact just for a second? Uh, I don't know, Yeah, No, I I I. Would you know what I experienced some things there in Oakridge, but it was when I had I don't I don't know if it was actually legit, because to tell you the truth, I had a kind of a high fever because of that those leg infections that one night, and I would love to have like something else happened when physically I don't have any weird stuff going on like a fever, you know what I mean, Like, I don't know, yeah, but it was just it's such such a weird, weird thing.

56:10 But I think what it comes down to is the importance of keeping pure intentions like you are, because I think that that makes a difference if if people start getting into you know, let's do this for fame, or let's do this to make money or you know, be the next Patterson Gimmlin film, usually those people they're not going to have these incredible experiences because I think it all comes down to what the intentions are of the person that is involved, you know. And I think you're on the right track though, Tim, you definitely are.

56:55 Thank you. I am super grateful. It's I just have to mention this. I'm at a park in Seattle right now, and two coyotes just passed by. While we were talking. I'm looking at them right now. There's two wild coyotes and I'm at Discovery Park, which is, you know, about as far away from the wilderness as you can get in Seattle. So that was really cool. But yeah, you know, I think keep. Your intentions pure, keep ego out of it, stay astonished, and be kind, That's what I recommend. And stay open minded.

57:38 I mean, god, stay open minded, because I wasn't for forty years in my life, forty years of being in the woods and. Ignoring what's around me, you know, being. Just very dismissive of what was probably really clear evidence. So everyone, keep your keep your mind open, keep your heart pewer, and. Yeah, this is this. Is an adventure absolutely, And Tim, I'm glad you reached out again. Actually, I mean it was a while that you reached out, but I'm glad it took this long because yeah, there's some really cool stuff that just happened recently, and I guess it was for a reason that it took so long for us to get together because of the scheduling. But yeah, now this this is great and definitely keep us in the loop with what happens in the future, maybe going out with rich And I mean, I wish you the I wish you the best with you know, future things you experience, and I hope that someday you do get that you know, second sighting. I think you will so.

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