The Sierras Hid Something Huge | California

0:00 You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Dave Osborne today. Dave's an individual that I met out at Sasquatch Summerfest in Oakridge, Oregon this year, and I invited him onto the show today to share a little bit about his bigfoot experiences he's had over the years. But a little bit to know about Dave. He's a retired teacher and therapist. It's also a full time musician as well as a bigfoot paranormal and UFO enthusiast. So welcome to the show, Dave.

1:01 How are you doing today? I'm doing really really good. How about you having a great day. It's always fun when I'm able to talk to someone about Bigfoot, which is what I do. Hear you and I love I hear you there. I love it. In the Midwest is starting to cool down a little bit, so can't complain there. But is your dog with you too? Oh? They're here at the house. Yeah, we're getting ready to pack go to my son, daughter, long grandkids for five days. He's I was a football coach, and the minister and the kids play soccer and it's a birthday, so we got a whole bunch of manly stuff kind of rolled together. Here. I'm taking a step out of my music studio for a few days, but I'll be bringing my car band mandolin, all my songwriting stuff with me to creative process moving along.

1:50 Oh, I love it, I love it. I used to be this is a side for a minute, but I used to be big into mandolin music with really Nickel Creek back in the day that I played it. But I just loved listening to it. Was was it's it's good stuff. But yeah, Dave, I know a little bit about you, and I was able to hear enough to know that you have some really interesting things that you've gone through. And let's start with this. What was it that first got you into the big foot field to begin with? Was there a certain experience that kicked things off for you? Oh? Absolutely, it was when I was a little kid, uh, finding out about the Patterson Gimlin footage.

2:34 I was just. Blown away a little kid here, a young young man. I wasn't even a teenager yet. Maybe it was a southern California and hearing about this big hairy thing. They're the interesting screws. It always kind of a boys. Had it in me. And then about when I was about well in my thirties, that's when I decided I got a get we're way down far away during California, But I started making trips up Uff Creek and snooping around and the people and way back when that's when Al Hodson still had a store and I'd come in and ask them questions. He kind of could take me off on the slide. We tell you what's going on. And then one times we kind of pushed me off on the sun. We went hiking back in the wilds together and let's spend some time hanging out there. Houpah on the reservation, and you know, this meeting, it was, like I said, I was just a kind of a wide eyed adult, just fascinated with the whole phenomenon itself, like why God could this really happen?

3:30 And so it was always kind of with me. And then then I kind of when my son turned about ten, that's when we got a trailer and I decided I wanted to get out with him to do more things, and so we started slowly going what I call I wrote a book it is called bigfoot Light, and it's kind of about our early adventures together, and I sold about our. Sighting when you had those trips you were taking a bluff Creek. Just for context, was what what approximate years would that have? Then? Let me think here, so you know, al Hawks still had a store though it was getting close he was.

4:13 That was in my weird sense see to it would probably be in that Let's see, give me say, mare, I'm kind of doing the numbers in calibration here from my birthday. You're good, let's see. So I had to be about I'm guessing in the late eighties that is when I kind of started going up there because I know he still had a store. Okay, I bought some of those originals. I watched some of those original John Green books. Oh wow, yeah from Hodgen. That's that's awesome, My goodness. Yeah, that is cool because I've also interviewed an individual who was checking out the Bluff Creek area. His name was Rory Zorb but this would be in the nineties, so a little bit after you.

4:59 You know what, he actually went out with Rory one no way, you know exactly what you're talking I know exactly what you're talking about. Back Al Hodgson. He passed on roy'sor's name to me and and he was way too what's the rugged for me? I mean he went out for like weeks at the time. Of course I was still working and I couldn't do that, but we did, I know at West spent one day together. So oh wow, coot. So Rory reached out to me and I was I was the first to be able to get his story recorded of what he went through. And he just he sounds like he's an incredible guy. He's driving his riding his motorbike throughout the hills and he's got this He's just a cool looking dude. So were there any interesting things that happened when you were able to go out with Rory that day?

5:45 No, he had actually just come back maybe the same streen he had just come back from, but it just happened to him. That's why I guess he can't even talk to Toms. I remember he had some very close cougar calls. There's some cup up very close to him. Now. Yeah, so then you were able to you got the trailer and you're able to start going out with your son, correct. Right, right, right, And we just I kind of just you know, back then I was pre Internet almost more correctly, and so most of the information was from books and word of mouth and stuff. So we started going to places where I'd read that there'd been some things that had happened, and we didn't really have anything happen on our own. And then one time we were supposed to go on a on actually on a week long thing up to Bluff Creek. It was a big place there was there was one of the original forms it was that came to be that was a big Foot forms called Bigfoot Forms. I think Brian Brown was the guy that started it, and it was the first time there was I hours every around people a collective group of people that were in the big Foot had information. So the position kind of came out of that. But like most big things, some people seem to want to organize.

7:05 They'll start from want a part pretty quickly. But we so that did fall apart, and my son was just all pumped up to go out and look for big fits. So I was able to get connected with Bob and Kathy Strain you know who they are, Okay, yeah, they they said, well, why don't you go up to a. Just in fact, I probably should keep the name of the campground quiet. I could general area, but between Strawberry and and between Heart there's a campground off the road that goes up there, and suppose that there's been a lot of things that had happened there. So we're supposed to go there and meet another person I think it was Tom Yamarone, and he's going to beat us up there.

7:53 And so there was but a few nights and then Bob mccanthy come up like the last night, went and call blasting stuff like that. So I shooling us in the first night by side and I got there. There was nobody in the campground it's just nobody was just and it's like ten miles off the mainland, and it was like this nobody went on, but there was like a coast car, but I didn'tee anybody there, like a host trailer. And then like late afternoon we'd set up and the late afternoons lady kind of came out of the trailer, hopped her car and left, and so there's the only people in the campground. And then later on that nice and it was like way back, like the road and all the camp sets was back like four of a mile we were, and later on like an RV came back in the evening work got.

8:39 Dark, but basically it was it was just us where we. Were, and the RV was so far down and out of site. I couldn't see it. And it was kind of spooky that night. And the first night I was there, you're there. There was this interesting at the time, Like I said, I still I wanted to believe in victim, but I just wasn't sure at that time. There was kind of like a looking in the morning and her legs whistling along, and then it kind on both sides of the trailer. I thought, that's kind of weird, you know, it's swistling, and. Didn't think much about it. In the morning, we went out side and found and really big footprints right by trailer. And then on top of that we my sun found some footprints across the creek with for we were verified by everybody and the big footprints, and then that next day we went out driving around just looking for stuff. And I didn't even know what a tree brake was, and the only time I ever saw tree breaks around that area was just this one time.

9:38 But there's these tree breaks. All aroun our camp ground, up and down the roads, and so we thought that might be more more signs that we were in the froximity of the guys. And then what the cap it was. And this is kind of where the story really began. The last night, we went to this little curve out in this mountain road. It's right, it's they've kind of cut it off, and it was not so much to it. There was a real big area just kind of pull out. With their cars and it stu there and it's called the Cleavee River Basin and basically there's it's a really steep, super steep like canyon that this the river is carved out over the years, and there's really not any easy ways in and out, but one of the egresses out of this area is right where the pullout is.

10:27 So Kathy involvement is something to that. Last night and we did some tall blasting and we didn't hear anything, but as a night wore on, Cathy involved and everybody pointed out there was eye shining through the trees, and sure enough you could see his eye shine that was moving through and and here you're a little crack and trying of chunks in a while. So they were throwing spotlights on and we couldn't see anything, and so they pretty much was decided. Of course I didn't know as everybody else, so well, when it spot a lot of them like that easily takes off. So I thought, okay, well at least we had a little bit of excitement here, and so what I what happened? Everybody's sitting around and have a few beers and glass of wine on our little little little kind of circle of cars and kind of put for protection.

11:16 But I saw I read somewhere in one of the books. Or my early Bigo books a lot of times. But we'll come and circle back around you come back from behind, you you know, you won't know it. And we were just about. Not even maybe forty yards from the road at the most, and the road kind of does a big curve right there. On the other side of the road is I got in embankment maybe about I'm looking at my roof here, probably about maybe twelve fifteen feet high. It's not real high. And I walked back. I thought, you know, I'm just going to go back behind to see because because the way they supposedly we lost them, the trees, they obviously as all coming up out of the basin there and we're trying to come up into the higher areas, so you know, they had to come out somewhere, maybe back over here. So I just walked that the road and it was this pitch black that night. I mean, there's no there's no moon or anything.

12:06 And I look up and kind of to the right of the embankment. I mean, we're talking about the little if you command a two lane road, you know, I mean, how you know why the two lane road is? You know, it's not pretty wide. So I'm on one side of the road, and then they mightn't go straight up and I look up and I's two sets of eyes looking at me. And they weren't critterized, you know, they weren't circular, and they didn't glow. They were like I call all eatloga. It was like an almond shape eye. And I'm going and I and I kind of hit me. I thought, you know, I think this might be who I think it is. And and of course I've read in books that says, you know, when you go out and do that kind of stuff, if you take your eyes off them, they'll be gone. So I just basically just froze, and I thought, okay, I'm not going to I'm not going to do any I'm not going to move or do anything at all. And so I just stood there and I'll get to how long I was there in a few minutes, because I was I thought it was this sex was much longer. But anyway, I'm staring at these things.

13:08 And then he could see the eyes kind of slowly blank off and on each one kind of you see the eyes kind of closed, it open, and then once actually happened twice, but the first time happened, I'll still by myself, and I heard the same kind of go kind of like the sound of like how horses and bulls will kind of blow air out of their mouth and kind of flapped their lips. You know, it was like it was really but they they they were up there to stand on their ground, and I was just looking at them standing my ground, and I didn't feel that just I was kind of like I suddenly when it did that, I was kind of trying to pay was looking. But after I did that, I thought, Okay, I know exactly based on earlier today until eventually my son runs up and dad dad, and the fact if you go on Spotify, my first album I went under David O Switched, but my first al was called Songs for Omah and it's all about it's all bigfoot songs that written such a way you would not it's about bigfoot.

14:05 But anyway, the cover photo he's actually done by a really famous guy named Daniel Falconer, who is a good friend of Bob. Mccathy, who was out with us several times. And he basically does some artistic liberties, but basically the cover phone pretty much, you know, the cover of the album shows exactly what happened. And so anyway, so Jake comes back and they're there, you know still and and he's there with me and he kind of blows it couldn't make that same sound of mouth sound again. And people often one asked me what it felt like. I said, well they, I said anything. Maybe they I felt like, maybe they're a little bit irritated that I didn't see it as a thing. So he runs back. It's Bob and Kathy, everybody, and they come back. The weirdest thing was they threw spotlight song where they were.

14:48 It's like they just vanished from the thin there they were this thing. And so the next day, you know, we went back, but we all had to go back home, and they did traces of where they might have come up out of the airy and we realized they came up out of the basin behind these trees far and up and down the road that we couldn't see them. Then walked up this embankment and can kind of see where they It was a lot of jurdy, It was like really sandy up there, so you really couldn't see the foot prints really well, but it was really clear that, you know, some big things kind of walk up there and were there. And so but anyway, I actually this book I wrote called Big foot Light, which is about my son and I going out yeah and doing stuff together.

15:31 I've written that I thought maybe I was there maybe a minute or two before Jake came to look for me, and we were recently talking about it in his house and was nowadays. So the reason I was scared and him looking for you were there, like you were gone like ten or fifteen minutes after you left the campsite. So people talk about now losing track of time, you know, when you're on a big foot I mean I could have sworn as maybe a couple of minutes. It was like fifteen. It was really kind of trip and so that at that point in time, I kind of said, even though I've always did a kind of a big foot enthusiast, we got out enough times before that and myself over the years have never found anything.

16:12 I was pretty much. Ready to call it, like, yeah, this is not really happened. So that was what really kind of turned the whole thing around from me one hundred and eight degrees maybe a full fledged believer an enthusiast. Wow, that is absolutely incredible and it's in a really interesting area. Something I am making sure the listeners know is that if you go to the podcast website, which is big for Society podcast dot com. There's a sighting map where I try to put general locations where episodes are referred to so you can follow along with it. Guys. And the area you're talking about right here is pretty much West Sierra's right.

16:53 Oh that's your year. It's absolutely stand I think it's a stantuslaw. Yeah. Yeah, and it's kind of a I'll say that much. It's it. I've heard people at competes kind of whispering place, you know, you know, people kind of get together those conferences and if we want see anybody to hear their conversation out. Yeah, you know, it's really under the radar place. You should go to Stanislast National Forest. So yeah, the right about most of my major experiences have been there, I'll believe, or not, or in California, but yeah, I mean sometimes I've gone up to Oregon and Washington just still with people and I have a great time. But I found in that area has been where I've had most of my kind of heavy duty experiences. It's kind of like oh yeah, oh yeah, it's.

17:35 De yeah, absolutely, because if you keep going up, you know, towards this year, as you've got. You know, we've heard from people around Sonora Pass also an individual the Marine Corps Mountain Warfare training centers up there too. And then you go south and that's the seventy National Park, and we've heard about right Buck Meadows and Mariposa area and that the whole area is just really, really wild. But did you ever go back to that area where you have that encounter happened? Oh, I'm going man in there many times. Yeah, I fact, I was just looking at one of my cats. You go back and look for I want to an interesting story. My friend, the guy I mentioned, the artist Daniel Falconer.

18:18 He's from New Zealand. There's a lot of the artistry for the Hobbit series. He was up there a couple of years. And then we all got together and we went up to the same area to kind of stop. It was daytime. We did some called last year, and I thought it was one of them in the daytime to see what it looked like. And we stopped there and I kind of, I don't know, it's like I had a sixth sense about me about things sometimes, but I thought, you know, I want to walk down to where that thing crossed the road and came up on top of this little embankment. You know, were they actually just to them? I want to see if I see anything. I'm walking over and up on the embankment. I see this footprint with toes here is they got it seven twenty six eleven, So my sting was INN four So seven years later, seven twenty six footprint by embankment Western Series. So I went there and I saw that, and I thought, everybody's lately down one hundred yards so actually along the side of the road, I kind of put some rock markers so I didn't lose it. And I came back with Bob and Kathy and everybody said, you guys said I found something. Damn, I said, I want I want your pinto anything about And everybody walks down Kathy's, Bob's eyes get really big, Kathy goes way to go, dude, yeah, that's egested what you think it is. We found so and we kind of got track from that footprint there, and we could see where they had come up out of that the basin area and kind of cross on the road and you can see some real solid footprints and they weren't, like.

19:49 I said, the ground. There's not like the classic place where you find a nice footprint and you know, and you could make a nice, perfect cast. They weren't, you know, in that kind of element that you could do a good good cat. We stole the casts anyway, So anyway, that kind of almost reaffirmed to me, you know, oh it did. My mind wasn't playing tricks with me, for it wasn't a figure to my imagination that when I saw what I was, when I saw if anybody wanted to question it, that's fine, they can go screw themselves, you know, because I always tell, always tell people have experiences, and I hear people kind of putting them down. They kind of back, I said, you know, I said, don't apologize your experiences. If you have that experience, it's the real experience. Don't let anybody take that from me, you know, I mean, you're an honest person like me, And why would why would I have any reason, you know, to make up you know, or fantasize and experience just to make myself feel better. No, I'm really the ultimate skeptic because, like I said, I as much I believe in UFOs, I've never seen anything that qualifies as a UFO in my opinion, but I would love to see one of it to this day, you know, would I see anything that's questionable? My scientific mind goes straight into the process like, okay, what could this?

20:56 What could this be? You know? Not? What not? What is it that I wanted to be? So I stand belief for him on my experience as that I had, but I experienced that night is real and said subsequent things have kind of backed me upon. Over years too. We've done some really cool call blasting up there and got remember one the same lookout area when you're you're doing some call blasting there from that little point there colos that are the basin, and all of a sudden, to the left, way deep down the base, we heard this, Oh is that for call blasters? Oh? And then all of a sudden you hear this. You hear this tree not really loud, bam bam bam. It almost like maybe one hundred yards over here, a different one. Damn bam bam.

21:40 You know, so I have I've just had a ton of experiences up there like kind of like that. You know, all right, you know this is exactly what we think it is. That's that's incredible and You're right, that is one of those areas. It doesn't really come up a lot recently, unless I might just not be talking to the right people, But there's definitely definitely activities going on in there. So you've done, I guess, going out into the field in different parts in California. How you checked out other states as well over the years? No, you know, I met through a beach foot. Are you fromos the beachfoode? So sure? Yeah? Okay, Well I got invited to beach Foot about eleven years ago and that really opened up the floodgates for meeting a lot of people.

22:27 So I started. I did some work with Dan linn Holm, who's pretty well known up in his target area. Darryl Adams, who's very well known. He and I just were like totally different people, but we just hit it off because our perspectives on bigfoot in the Paramid. We're just so lighted up with each other. But so I did a lot. He had, he and Toby Johnson. They I never I never met Toby told this summer at that the Bigfoot thing. Darrel always talked. About Toby and what he is, know him, but I never ever had the experience of meeting him. So but anyway, he had the al Moon Project, I think it was called, and so so I did lots of stuff about Darryl's old house right there. It's just outside of the Eugenie, Oregon.

23:13 But this is the funkiest little area. I mean, the first time I ever saw what I knew for sure where Orbs was there. He's the veryl I. Had had an area where he was gifting and feeding them and and just a lot of just a lot of stuff like that, you know, if they're in the Oregon and the Eugene area. That was really pretty cool. Okay, Well, like I said, just been up to Washington. I think I was up there with oh, what's the kind he's retired Vet Kevin Llewell. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We went up to that lake. Everybody goes to up there. That always yields results, zeer results.

23:57 Something like what's in my main area focuses in California, Oregon and Washington. But I feel like overall my best resultfully we're not have been in California. So when you went and you got to hang out with Darryl Adams, are you talking about like the Owl Moon Wilderness area around Cottage Grove. Yeah, okay, exactly. Yeah, well I said, I said to Eugene, I'm sorry, kayege true, you're good. Yeah, I was like said, exactly, it's kind of true. Yeah I was. I was up there, I think two different times, and I just pull my camp up his house and we do stuff in the daytime and stuff at night. Yeah, it's a fascinating. That makes this probably the spookiest place I've ever been to in my life. It's it was just an amazing place.

24:39 You just went to creep. But anyway, yeah, I get back. I ad the first time my life I. Ever saw what I considered it. Those little lights are popping in and out the orbs. Yeah, some saw orbs and I'm kind of baking my eyes, and I goes that what I think they are? He goes yeah, and like it was just we're just seeing you try to get close to him, they kind of move. It was just, yeah, he had. All sorts of stuff happen up there. I'm going to get to the book. Yeah, you're guarantee some strange is when I happened there. Oh, one hundred percent. I mean I've talked to Darryl. I've also talked to an individual that was in the same area in the nineties, and the cool thing is that he could he was saying the same thing. I mean, they both had accounts of seeing something that looked like an alien in those woods.

25:31 Besides yeah for that one, yea, all I said, flying saucers, bigfoot over I mean, last time was there, we thought we heard this barking and growling. It was pretty close. Darrel was pretty convinced it was a dog man, but you know, but we've swooped us out, you like. And then we were driving back that same night, all of a sudden, there's big light appeared above us, and the trees followed us for a while. It's you can make up a better better kind of scary, horrible. Really, it's the stuff that happens up there. It's it's mind blowing. It's it's a very very weird area. I've never gone to it myself. I'm not sure if I would ever want to, just because of some stories I've heard. It can it can really, things can latch onto you. I'll say that from what I've heard. But when you went up to Bumping Lake with Kevin, did you have anything happen up there or see anything out of the ordinary.

26:30 It was the most disappointed trip I've ever gone on it in hopes of what could be. That's funny. It is definitely an area where a lot of people know about it, and I've heard people that go there they don't have anything happen, and I've heard audio come out of it. I've seen tracks. Gentlemen showed me some some tracks. I'm not going to mention his name because I don't think he wants it mentioned, but I mean they had they had ridges on them, which was super intense. So definitely an active area. But I think it's it's all about you know when you go there, of course, and who knows. But do you have any Dave, do you have any ideas about, you know, in any theories about what it is that we might be dealing with when we're talking about Bigfoot.

27:24 Well, since I kind of came up under Bob and Kathy's tutelage, they were very much flesh and blood. But along the way, I had some experiences that totally changed my mind about that, and I would say definitely I'm more on the guess he's called the lou factor. Now for my expensive to kind of go beyond an easily like to me that to say, oh, it's just another you know, manimal large ape. I think that's to me that one doesn't work for me anymore. Maybe it works for some people. But from these from my experiences. In fact, actually at the time that the thing that happened to me actually is way just inside of Oregon.

28:08 Ever heard of Bowling Lake? No? Actually do you say Bowling Yeah, b o l A. And Bolan Lake. It's this experiences and this is what really changed me, this experience. I was still working as a teacher and Beachwood was like middle of June, so I only had a few weeks to get ready to go on the trip. And so that's on sidey, you know, summer's here, let's get gone. So I have my two dogs who both pass now Jet and Windy. I'm a big I'm a labby guy. So I'm listening more here right now. But we hopped in at Camper. We're going up to beach Foot and so I talked to Cliff Rap one time about any good places to go, you know, for a big fight.

28:51 He goes Bowling Lake. So I did my research. Let me tell you it's a it's a pilgrimage to get to that place. Like most good big fires, just off the side of the road somewhere. So I drove up there, and I was excited. I want to spend tell two or three nights up there. I can't remember, just me and the dogs. And once again, it was nobody there, not a host, nobody the whole time, and we had no sooner gotten in there, and the fog just came in. It was like a high level fog up the mountains the whole time we were there. That fog just stayed there. And during that period of time. I had some of the strangest stuff. First of all, I was just I'm a happy person, you know, positive All the time, I got severely depressed. I could barely even eat my food or prepare my food. We were just kind of fogged in all day because I mean, you couldn't even see even in the daytime, you couldn't see more ten feet in front of yourself. So I let the dogs out occasionally. I can't remember the first or second not I was there.

29:45 I woke up to this. I never have nightmares or dreams. I can woke up this terrible nightmares, like out of the Mad Max movie up night campers surrounded all these kind of weird guys that look out of a Mad Max movie, And all of a sudden, my camper started shaking, and I'm awakening up, going discussing. I had my gun, my dog just kind of looking at me, and oh, I'd be I really felt, you know, I just wanted to come out of a dream into waking up. If there's something going on, it kind of rates into your dream. That's kind of how it was. Like I was kind of being woken up by the camp or being shaken, so I woke up and stopped. It was really spooky. And but anyways, make a long story short. You know, we'd get out once in a while during the day.

30:26 Just to take a pee or whatever. And then I think it was because I have my notes down, but it spent so long now, But it was either that before that night or the night after I went outside to take a pee. You though, I could it in the camp. I just going outside check things that once again, peace suit fog, and all of a sudden, I kind of have my head lap on kind of scanning around, and it looks like I see this eye kind of looking at me through the trees. The trees were there, not too far away, really close, and thinking, okay, maybe, but if somebody put a bottle cap in the tree, I'm just gonna swim my eye light around like I didn't even see it and swing. I swung back and it was gone. So I think something was looking at me so far. The third day, where they were getting ready to leave to go to beach Foot, and I take my dogs down the road just there's like an old, old deserted logging road there all like about the only other way you can walk around do anything there. And my older dogs get really excited, like she's picking them on some s. She want to cop this, this, this, this embankment. And I look, here's the weirdest thing. I have my camera right around my net taking any good pictures. And also in the embankment there's this perfect little baby, big foot footprint. It was probably about maybe I looking, I'm measuring myself maybe six six inches maybe maybe a little bit big, but it was obviously babies. It's almost like it was purposely put there for me to see. And I started to taking my camera out and I wasn't take a picture of that, and my brain I said, it was almost like something was taking on my brain and says, oh, nobody's gonna believe you did. Don't even bother with it. So I didn't take a picture. So that was the here at

31:59 beach Foot, all the heavy duty people there. Everybody's been on TV was here. It was like a Who's suit. I was camped between Peter and doctor Bender Neil. They're my neighbors. I mean, how what kind of guys first year at Beachwood asked for anything better than that, you know? And then Cliff was there, but was there? All these people were there. I was camped out to these other guys as he's passed away since second I think the guy's name. He was an Oregon guy tripped and fell on his ports and hit his head and died. Steve Lindsay, Yeah, Steve Lindsay or Lindy Yeah. And I was telling my story just I would tell you how this dude you got Zapp? I go, what he does? You got Zap?

32:40 And he explained, you know, what being zapp was, And that really kind of fit the format for what happened, you know, I mean, I get up there, I'm in. A good mood, and and for three days. You know, the weather's terrible and I'm not say the big Foot. It's a fog, but you know, it's an interesting coincidence. But yeah, I just couldn't eat. I had no energy, and as soon as I left the area, I mean within five ten miles on the road, I was myself again. So over the years I kind of put together what my concept is of what happened. I think we were up there, and I think there was a big Foot family and they just had a baby, little one. I think they're being very protective of the area. They didn't want me in there, and I think on the way out, this is because this maybe is farfetch went the way out. You know, they we knew where I was going to be, and they purposely a little bit b footprint there to kind of show me why they're doing what they're doing. And that's the only thing I could come up with, you know, that's the experience that brought me into the loop. And it took me a while to kind of process everything. And I mean, to me, that was the only logical explanation that I could come up with, you know, be honest with you, what happened, and one that made sense to me in some shape or form, and it's just saying, you know, I've had even more experiences to just kind of validate that perspective for me that that's the one that seemed to work.

33:59 Talk about Turm. I do want to. Just clarify something in case people are curious. Yeah, the gentleman you're referring to, I believe his name is Steve Lindsay and he was one of the gentlemen from the Oregon Big for Highway Book of that the group, right, yeah, individuals, yeah. Right, yeah, yeah. Joe gives him a shout out of there. I was going up to the camping area that I camped up in the Western Siers, and I went to this I guess I can tell you the name of this place is called Bell Meadows, and then we've done some we did some camping there and looking around there too, and that's supposedly where Jeremiah Johnson's spent a summer and supposedly lots of weird things go on there too. And so the night I was going to try to get into Bell Meadows, but driving that day, I wasn't going to get far, and so I stayed at a campground up in a little town called me What, which is named after the tribe of the tribe. And once again, you know, I don't have I have dreams, but I have certain dreams that I recognized are very strong dreams.

35:01 They come from a different place in your normal dream. And then I was getting ready to go up and spend two a few nights up in Belle Meadow. I had this dream in this this native of this town name after the tribe me look tribe. And in the dream, I'm in, I'm in. I'm inside a circle of elders and you could tell her all Native Americans, and you can't sell their faces. It's dark. There's me and some other people in there, and basically we're all pleading our case with the Native Americans that were worthy of being around. You know, O mah, the Bigfoot. That's such a crazy thing. And I had these like these two large kind of kind of off art kind of sculptures of these wooden ducks, you know, kind of like modern art looking, not a standard looking, but kind of something you do if you kind of did a modern art thing.

35:54 And I was pleading my case with the. Elders that I was worthy, you know, to be to go and be part, you know, of searching for Big Fit, and that I would honor and respect them and everything. And they let me out. They granted me access out and said that was worthy to to do that. I thought, that's a strange dream you have here. Anyway, I went up there, and since I'd kind of gotten into the WU factor a little bit more, I decided what I want to do is one of my friends says, you know what you go when you're there, you you you talk to them. You introduce yourself and let them know that you're there and that you need no harm, that you are going to show respect and everything like that. So that's what I did, you know. I went ahead and introduced myself, and I did it two different times.

36:38 The first time I did it, it was like, just not that far up the hill, there is this big bam bam bam put something on the tree and also and all the squirrels up there just went nuts for a while, you know. And then the second day something else happened too similar to that. So I won't spend too much time that. But the real kicker was it was really cold that night. I just had one of my dogs with me, and I had a camp fire. My dog wanted to go on the camp or so I was just sitting by the campfire. I thought, you know, wonder how cold it is here right now? It feels pretty cold? How cold it is? So I turn on are you familar with imre watching those ghost shows? For they have what they call the melmeters or electric energy? Okay, well you know the middle of nowhere, you should get a zero reading, you know, on your thing. Well, anyway, prior to me turning that on, I heard like a little rock go kind of go ping, like somebody just throwing a little pebblicans one of the big rocks. It wasn't like anything rolling like something had been thrown. O.

37:35 That's interesting, you know, So I didn't see anything. Well, I go to turn on my mail meter see how cold it was, and it's like, real, give me like ninety sevens ninety eight. I took pictures of them to put them online years ago on Facebook. But again, these huge, huge readings, and I'm actually turning it off and double checking, just like I'm going, okay, this must be something wrong with it that you shouldn't be getting range out here because people say, well yourself, well, I have my cl phone off in my camp right now myself on me you can't don't have a reception anyway. And so anyway, I basically kind of came to realization there was something around me. I just couldn't see it. I just said, hey, I don't know who you are, but welcome to my campfire.

38:17 Wasn't like I could get my truck and drive off, you know, with everything all the night. So the next morning I got up turned of my melmeter, you know when it was a zero reading. But yeah, And then another time I was up there hiking with the friend. We kind of got lost. We had a rock thrown at us against the tree, and he was like a total skeptic. And also we were coming back and I was here this damn it was really obvious of a rocket the tree about maybe twenty yards from us. I go to chear that. He goes, I said, you know what, yah, I go, I go, it must be a big video. I said, well, we'll throw a rock a deer bear, I mean, nothing else. That's the ability to throw a rock, you know. But so that's happened up there on different trips.

38:57 Like I said, every time I kind of go up in that area. I usually a pretty I get some kind of payoffs. Something happens. I never know what it's going to be. Sometimes it's little, sometimes it's big. But yeah, hilario. Up there, you know between a strawberry and tway hard is it is loaded with bigfoot stuff. Of course that's where the hairy man graphics come from. That are so well. No, sure, yeah, absolutely. When when you introduce yourself to the woods out loud, how soon after was it that you heard. Those noises? Minutes? I would say three to five minutes ago it was. It was really it was really close together. It was very close together. Gotcha, Oh man, that that's weird. So when I was in when you know, we were in Oakreage for the festival, I went out in the woods with some guys and I tried that because I was like, I've wanted to try that. I should just try it because I know it's an active area. Doude, I had the same I said, hey, if you're out there, can you do something? And within like a few second, as there were like three wood knocks out in the woods, I was like, I be alone right now.

40:08 In that trip, you know, don't ask you know, expecting me and when you ask for something you don't be afraid of, you get it. You know. Yeah, that's true exactly. So you hit on another really interesting thing where it is that the pattern you find is that it does feel like there are times where something's there you just can't see it, and it almost makes you wonder is there anything that we could do to even see what's out there? And that's that's a whole question itself. You know, like, is there anything I can do? I don't know. Well, I know some of these Bigfoot shows are controversial, and I get it, and I'm okay to be in converse, but a few of them, I think I really have to give the people credit. I think they're really trying hard to find new ways to prove the Bigfoot exists, and whether people agree with their meth or whatever, it's like, yeah, you know, I mean, whatever we need to do other than obviously hurting one, you know, I think there's all sorts of possibilities.

41:08 Absolutely. You've had a lot of really interesting connections in the years that you've been involved with this, so I'm just curious, did you ever have any connections with Henry Franzoni over the years. No, you know, I spent some time Tom Powell and I hit it off. Oh yeah, one time at a beach foot and we actually did some traveling together. We my friends have a haunted house out in Towels. But he and I went to Mount Shasta, where I've had some weird stuff happened. We spent some time Mount Shasta, and then he came back down and we drove out to Taws and some time with my friends. But he used to talk about Henry Fanzoni Lot But I never met Henry, but I know Henry is really into doing that, taking his drums in the woods and doing stuff like that.

41:53 I never got to meet him, but I had some really good conversations with him and who was a who was a cool dude? What kind of things did you have have happened up in Mount Shasta area? You know Mount Shasta. I haven't had a whole lot happen there. It's just been more kind of the overall vibe of being there. I guess apparently there's a lot of portals right in the Campron, because one time when Tom and I were there, there's this guy taking people through, and I guess Tom's knuck around trying to see where the portals were. But oh, I know that's what happened. I said, Okay, there's this one campsite I really liked a lot, because a little bit bigger than the other ones. They're all pretty much spread out.

42:33 But I had this another ghost tool which people use a lot of the the one where they can kind of talk to you, you know, through the device. I got all that stuff in my camp. Oh sure, it's like static in words and stuff like that. Yeah, but this other one isn't that one. It's the one where actually you ask the question and there's a little you have a little handheld device and a lot of times it'll answer you okay, And actually long about it. It was called Spirits by the Fire, and I was up there one night by the fire and I just kind of felt a presence. So I got that thingy out. And I've been told by the people that that that had them that you have to let them set outside for a while, kind of get used to the environment, and that's when the spirits will talk to you if they're there.

43:18 And I can't remember exact once again, that's just when I was writing a book. I've kind of switched back to music. So I don't really I haven't done too much writing about bakeflick, but basically I ask if there's anybody there with me, and it's and it said, yeah, there's like ten or twelve of us or something like that. It's kind of weird. I can't rod all the conversations. But and then the next time I was up there, I was looking at to find the spot again, so I turned it back on. I said, is there anybody here with me tonight? That was here the last time I was here? And then the word pops up her. Oh wow, that's wild. That's a little bit too coins that oh for me, and not to see a bread the word spot. It up, you know.

43:59 Absolutely. The other strange experience I had, which really is kind of in some way, he's almost was almost up there with the my my siding and and Stanislass was I was. All these things seem to come between the comings and goings from Beechhu. The vibe is of me is really strong. But I was coming home and. It was really hot down south of California. Thought, no, it's been one more not up here in northern California. Ended up in Dale, Norda County, you know, it's really hard to get access anywhere in Dale, Nordy County, just because I was so you know, it so closed off to the logging industry, owns everything. But there's a really cool campra i'd just by the Klamath River, just off one oh one, and it's just a beautiful campra, so nice RV book I've ever been toed. I mean, it's it's so green there that they let you pull up on the grass. That's where you parked the campra on the grass, you know. And uh. And so I was getting there kind of late, so I called into the desk and I go, oh, yeah, just just park where you want. And they wanted to drive me to everybody was I said, no, I got two tired dogs. I kind of want to be away from it any place I can. It goes, oh yeah, take spot on a one twelve or something like. Okay, So I drove in.

45:07 The office is closed and still they like pull in. I put pictures on my Facebook page before and I pulled the campside. I thought, all right, this is my spot and it says it says beware the creature known as Bigfoot has been sighted in this area before. Do not allow your children to go down to the river unattended. I thought, Okay, I like this, this is good. So I had talked to Bobo at the conference the Beach Foot and we were talking about how to we're you know, bigfoot in you know, gifting. He suggested that they like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. And I don't know if you told me this part. Somebody said you put them high up off the ground, maybe the same that the squirrels and the bears can't get them. So he says, it can't be inside of your camp. Size got to be far away where they can't see directly, you can't see them. So I put a peanut butter and jelly sandwich in a baggy, tied it. I got a little ladder and I tied up above this little loose line. I'm so a squirrel couldn't walk out on it, and had it dangling up there. And the dogs retired there in the camper sleep and I was just sitting outside, having some bay leys and just enjoying the cool weather there and kind of thing. And that is the last day I don't have any of this. And as this getting ready to go to bed, and said why don't you stay out a little bit longer? I thought, Okay, So I'm setting my camping chair absolutely quiet. All of a sudden, this big bright light just flashes down in the tree area down where the food was, and I was just kind of like, I don't thinking, Oh, what's that.

46:33 I thought, maybe somebody's got a spotlight, you know, for the road or somewhere. And I looked all around and there's no visible There was nothing coming from the hills up there or the highway. I mean, as I looked at it closer, I realized that the light didn't release them to have any sources. It was just right on top of these trees, and I was like, super bright, like those lights you see when these have premiers for movies. And so here's the weird part, I thought. And then all of a sudden I hear crashing down low where the where the food is. So these are all happening simultaneously. The light goes on all side, there's big, somethingly big is jumping up in the brush. So I started to get from my chair. I jumped up from my chair. I was going to run down see what happened, and something said to me, don't go he says, stay where you are, otherwise it's all going to stop. It's like something was just commanding me to stay there, so I thought, I set down in my chair, and I doubt if it the whole thing lasted more than ten or fifteen seconds, money even been shorter than that. It probably ten to fifteen seconds, at least maybe half a minute. And then all of a sudden, the light went out and the noise below went out all like literally at the same time. So it's kind of going. So the next day I talked to the camp people, I said, I asked if they had any light triggered lights or anything. Oh no, keep it dark here. And so I told them the story, and they had just bought the place from the other guy, and they thought the guy was called Bologney who thought he was hallucining the Bigfoot, so they weren't believers at all.

47:59 But oh wow, So that was kind of a really interesting experience too. Once again, another one that kind of And I talked to Tom Powell about that afterwards too, and he said that's not uncommon, especially a Native American, which, of course right there in the climate rivers right though, that's all the reservation land around that there too. This is not a common in the reservation area for the the Native Americans, you know, to talk about seeing strange lives. There's big in the vicinity, so. That's really interesting. I've heard a few people talk about Jedediah Smith State Park, which is in the same county, I believe, uh huh. I had talked to a worker up at Ike's Pizza in Lieburg, Oregon, and she had some interesting things happen in that that park. But yeah, it's a weird county because as you said, I mean you you really can't get to most of it because there's not a lot of roads, main roads out there.

48:53 It's it's mazing. Mainly forest stuff. But wow, that means man, if you have you have had some wild stuff happened over over the years. You weren't kidding me. Oh so you've You've mentioned. A few tools that you use. Have you ever used a tuning fork out there? No, I've gone out and played my music before, but I've never used a tuning fork. Okay, well, so allegedly for entertainment purposes only. There's a lot of people that are noticing that they are recording a certain tone in Bigfoot areas that's forty hurts. And so some people started using forty HRTs tuning forks, and when they do that in certain areas, that same tone comes back at them from the woods, and it's it's just another weird thing, right.

49:55 Yeah. So now when you play your guitar out there, I've heard from a few people that you play your guitar in certain areas and that can kind of kick off interactions too. Did you ever find that to be the case. No, I've never found my guitars brought anybody you, although it's relaxing to me, right, true, true, true, true, No, I've never found that to be a tool. I think the best tool I've had is just going down and presenting myself, you know, and just hanging out, just being the right. I always tell people, I remember one time when I was first starting to do bigfoot stuff, and well we were talking with them, some old timers there. Now I'm an old time but you know Davis's you don't find Bigfoot, Bigfoot finds you. I've always kind of been under that belief system.

50:42 Absolutely. Occasionally you read these stories if somebody comes upon bigfoot in surprise, and ye know that does happen, obviously, but I think most of the time they're very well aware of us, and they make the decision that they want to do. They want to scare us, show us a little bit of themselves. They're just the opposite direction. And you know, Dave, I've got one more question for you. I just want to say thank you for taking your time. I know you're about ready to hit the road, so I'm very thankful of your time today. But let's say there's a person listening, they're new to the subject, and they're like, man, Dave's talking about all these cool areas, How am I going to find my own cool area? Do you have any advice about how people can try to find an area that might work for them to try to get an interaction going with bigfoot.

51:31 Absolutely. I think what I did was. First the first place I actually want to was the BFRO. Start a look at the counties, like see where the most sightings were in the counties, and then you kind of drill down a little bit further, like whords do seem to be most frequent. The other one, I think is even more valuable than that. It's just feed on the ground, get some conferences, try to get yourself known to people and get trusted by people, and they trust you enough with the information you're not going to go out and blob it. And when you get that firsthand information, that's a great place to go. So yeah, I think researching being an armchair researcher, just looking for airs that way, and then being proactive and going to conferences and big fook get togethers and networking and meeting people and trying to maybe get involved in a group of people that don't do things. Also reading big Foot books that are out too any big I got. I got a whole library all of big.

52:24 Foot books that have helped me a lot too. Just to show Joe bill Hart he's a great guy. I love that guy. And whenever I go out the road big but they always take the big Foot Highway with me with me because that's a great resource for anybody, especially was up in the organ area and you know, to find He's very specific about spots and I've been out camping in a couple of places with him, the famous Tarzan Springs and some other places. But yeah, I think just researching book wise, getting online, going out to conferences and meeting people and getting their trust at least they give you some general ideas where to go. That's fantastic advice. And Dave, thank you for your your time today. Is there anything if people you know you've mentioned your music a few times in your book, what's what's the best way that people can track that down to listen to your music or to read your book if if they want to.

53:21 Okay, well, my book's called Bigfoot Light L. I. T. E. And it's really just more about although I do have my encounter in there, it's really kind of more about my adventures teaching my son about being outdoors and being comfortable looking for bigfoot, not being scared. So that's my book. It's on it's it's it's only in in the kindle form, you can't buy it as a hard copy system. And then my music is actually, well, if you want to hear the bigfoot songs that are not really bigfoot songs but they are, you go to Spotify or YouTube and look up David Osborne songs for oh mah. And if you just want to hear my actual music more recently than you're just going to Spotify, look at Dave Osborne and what's my last song I had on there so got so many songs that I'm trying to think the.

54:10 It's god things to be doing pretty well. People will be listening not a lot, so yeah. Well fantastic. I'll make sure to have those links in the description show notes for people to check out easily. But uh, you know, safe travels, Dave, and good luck in the future. Maybe who knows, you'll have another you know, bigfoot come across your path. Who knows. But it's been a pleasure chatting with you today, sir. Well, thank you so much for your time, and you're interested. I had a great job. Thank you for listening to this episode of The Big Society Podcast. Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth is often hiding just beyond the tree line.

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